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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by tsig
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,11:55) Quote (Cubist @ Mar. 16 2010,10:07) Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,08:13)cubist: I grade your work as a "C". In real science / philosophy class, it would grade as an "F", but since you are in a backwater U, and lying for Jesus is what we have come to expect, you get the "C". Enjoy.
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Huh? Are you sure you weren't replying to bjray here?
OOPS-- SORRY - YES, I am concussed, I mean confused! I most humbly beg your pardon!
I will pray a Novena to The Designer, and sacrifice a virgin to Thor to atone.*
* Not really, but I thought about it. The virgin not the novena.
It's virginity that's supposed to be sacrificed not the virgin. I really wish people would get that rite.
God
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,11:55) Quote (Cubist @ Mar. 16 2010,10:07) Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,08:13)cubist: I grade your work as a "C". In real science / philosophy class, it would grade as an "F", but since you are in a backwater U, and lying for Jesus is what we have come to expect, you get the "C". Enjoy.
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Huh? Are you sure you weren't replying to bjray here?
OOPS-- SORRY - YES, I am concussed, I mean confused! I most humbly beg your pardon!
I will pray a Novena to The Designer, and sacrifice a virgin to Thor to atone.*
* Not really, but I thought about it. The virgin not the novena.
It's virginity that's supposed to be sacrificed not the virgin. I really wish people would get that rite.
God
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by RBH
Cubist wrote Quote ... as far as I can tell, ID can be accurately (albeit cruelly) summarized in seven words: Somehow, somewhere, somewhen, somebody intelligent [b[did[/b] something.I have to demur: It's worse than that. My wording, asked a number of times in various venues, is this:
Sometime or other, some intelligent agent(s) designed something or other, and then somehow or other manufactured that designed thing in matter and energy, all the while leaving no independent evidence of the design process or the manufacturing process, and leaving no independent evidence of the presence, or even the existence, of the designing and manufacturing agent(s).
If BJRay can fill in any of the placeholders in that statement, with evidence appended, I'd be grateful.
Cubist wrote Quote ... as far as I can tell, ID can be accurately (albeit cruelly) summarized in seven words: Somehow, somewhere, somewhen, somebody intelligent [b[did[/b] something.I have to demur: It's worse than that. My wording, asked a number of times in various venues, is this:
Sometime or other, some intelligent agent(s) designed something or other, and then somehow or other manufactured that designed thing in matter and energy, all the while leaving no independent evidence of the design process or the manufacturing process, and leaving no independent evidence of the presence, or even the existence, of the designing and manufacturing agent(s).
If BJRay can fill in any of the placeholders in that statement, with evidence appended, I'd be grateful.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by Dr.GH
It would be sad if Joey were not such an obnoxious scum-bag.
It would be sad if Joey were not such an obnoxious scum-bag.
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by JohnW
Anyone looking for a sig?
Joe G:
Quote Hail is made out of water?
Are you really that stupid?
Anyone looking for a sig?
Joe G:
Quote Hail is made out of water?
Are you really that stupid?
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by Richardthughes
He tries to sneak a bit of YEC apologetics into the post before...
He tries to sneak a bit of YEC apologetics into the post before...
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Joe G.'s Tardgasm
Post by blipey
In his hurry to derail any effort to use CSI to do anything at all, Joe forgets that ice floats and golf balls sink.
Because, of course, they aren't the same size.
In his hurry to derail any effort to use CSI to do anything at all, Joe forgets that ice floats and golf balls sink.
Because, of course, they aren't the same size.
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by Richardthughes
I liked the
"Dr. Dr. William Dembski,
you've got a bad case of Mammon envy" one.
I liked the
"Dr. Dr. William Dembski,
you've got a bad case of Mammon envy" one.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by JohnW
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 16 2010,13:33)And now folks, it's sock it to me time?
Turn the hose on him.
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 16 2010,13:33)And now folks, it's sock it to me time?
Turn the hose on him.
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by dheddle
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 16 2010,13:56)TP, you are mistaken!
Allow me to quote from Dembski's testimony at Dover:
Quote
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(Sung to the tune of 4:33 by John Cage)
No, not sung to the tune you mentioned. Sung to the tune of Sir Robin!
Brave Doctor D ran away - No!
Bravely ran away, away - I didn't!
Dep'sition reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled - No!
Yes, brave Doctor D turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Doctor D!
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 16 2010,13:56)TP, you are mistaken!
Allow me to quote from Dembski's testimony at Dover:
Quote
.
.
(Sung to the tune of 4:33 by John Cage)
No, not sung to the tune you mentioned. Sung to the tune of Sir Robin!
Brave Doctor D ran away - No!
Bravely ran away, away - I didn't!
Dep'sition reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled - No!
Yes, brave Doctor D turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Doctor D!
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by midwifetoad
Quote since Dembski dropped (was dropped?) as a witness
How about chickened out?
Quote since Dembski dropped (was dropped?) as a witness
How about chickened out?
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by Schroedinger's Dog
Yeah, listen to Akbar!
Yeah, listen to Akbar!
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Henry J
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,12:00) Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:48)I read through Sal's post and for the life of me I can't figure out on what basis he claims that evolution states that 'lack of diversity =fitness'. Is there a history to Sal's nugget or did he just drop the thing from his pants as is?
I think, and I hesitate to apply that verb to slimy sal, that this comes from the old "natural selection just eliminates stuff" canard.
And here I thought natural selection was simply the result of a correlation between what things are being eliminated by whatever factors are present in the environment, and the genetic makeup of those things. But as I'm not a biologist, what do I know, huh?
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,12:00) Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:48)I read through Sal's post and for the life of me I can't figure out on what basis he claims that evolution states that 'lack of diversity =fitness'. Is there a history to Sal's nugget or did he just drop the thing from his pants as is?
I think, and I hesitate to apply that verb to slimy sal, that this comes from the old "natural selection just eliminates stuff" canard.
And here I thought natural selection was simply the result of a correlation between what things are being eliminated by whatever factors are present in the environment, and the genetic makeup of those things. But as I'm not a biologist, what do I know, huh?
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Robin
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,14:38)
[QUOTE] Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 16 2010,13:57)Heh heh, well spotted hrun0815.
PaulN: Quote I’m going to be Frank, are you being a troll on purpose?
hrun: Quote Hi Frank.(...)
A True Sense Of Humor at UD??? ... I fear the bannination button will soon get some use. As all UD posters know, shirley there is nothing funny about ID, dammit![QUOTE]
Dr Dr Shirley? That explains a lot...
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2010,14:38)
[QUOTE] Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 16 2010,13:57)Heh heh, well spotted hrun0815.
PaulN: Quote I’m going to be Frank, are you being a troll on purpose?
hrun: Quote Hi Frank.(...)
A True Sense Of Humor at UD??? ... I fear the bannination button will soon get some use. As all UD posters know, shirley there is nothing funny about ID, dammit![QUOTE]
Dr Dr Shirley? That explains a lot...
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Turncoat
Write a little note to Dembski and Marks, e.g.,
Dear Profs. Dembski and Marks:
This is to request that you comply with the IEEE Code of Ethics, and note in the online version of "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success" the errors that have been called to your attention.
The mathematical errors evidently were first identified in a RationalWiki article, "Conservation of Information in Search - Measuring the Cost of Success."
Sincerely,
xxxxxxxx
The email addresses are wdembski@designinference.com and Robert_Marks@baylor.edu
Write a little note to Dembski and Marks, e.g.,
Dear Profs. Dembski and Marks:
This is to request that you comply with the IEEE Code of Ethics, and note in the online version of "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success" the errors that have been called to your attention.
The mathematical errors evidently were first identified in a RationalWiki article, "Conservation of Information in Search - Measuring the Cost of Success."
Sincerely,
xxxxxxxx
The email addresses are wdembski@designinference.com and Robert_Marks@baylor.edu
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by Robin
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,13:00)
Quote Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:48)I read through Sal's post and for the life of me I can't figure out on what basis he claims that evolution states that 'lack of diversity =fitness'. Is there a history to Sal's nugget or did he just drop the thing from his pants as is?
I think, and I hesitate to apply that verb to slimy sal, that this comes from the old "natural selection just eliminates stuff" canard.
Oh. Silly me. But of course.
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,13:00)
Quote Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:48)I read through Sal's post and for the life of me I can't figure out on what basis he claims that evolution states that 'lack of diversity =fitness'. Is there a history to Sal's nugget or did he just drop the thing from his pants as is?
I think, and I hesitate to apply that verb to slimy sal, that this comes from the old "natural selection just eliminates stuff" canard.
Oh. Silly me. But of course.
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Happy (belated) Birfday Alan Fox
Post by Ptaylor
A late happy birthday from me - kia ora translated into French.
A late happy birthday from me - kia ora translated into French.
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by Robin
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,13:02)
Quote Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:28)HEY! I know where that pic was shot! It's a place called Spier in South Africa. There's a vineyard there as well as a raptor and Cheetah rehab center (don't remember the connection - oops...that SB 'connexion' since I'm referring to SA). You can do the whole pet the cheetah/pet the cheetah cub thing there and occasionally they get a bit frisky.
But that's a leopard in the picture, I believe. Do they have leopard cubs there as well?
I noticed that when I saw the pic. There were no leopard cups when I was last there, but they do have a number of paddocks, so it's conceivable they were rehabbing one for one of the game parks or some such. I could also be wrong that the pic comes from Spier, but the petting cell for the cheetah cubs I was in had the exact same wall art. Seems a bit too coincidental, but maybe there's something to that pattern that's more common than I know.
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 16 2010,13:02)
Quote Quote (Robin @ Mar. 16 2010,12:28)HEY! I know where that pic was shot! It's a place called Spier in South Africa. There's a vineyard there as well as a raptor and Cheetah rehab center (don't remember the connection - oops...that SB 'connexion' since I'm referring to SA). You can do the whole pet the cheetah/pet the cheetah cub thing there and occasionally they get a bit frisky.
But that's a leopard in the picture, I believe. Do they have leopard cubs there as well?
I noticed that when I saw the pic. There were no leopard cups when I was last there, but they do have a number of paddocks, so it's conceivable they were rehabbing one for one of the game parks or some such. I could also be wrong that the pic comes from Spier, but the petting cell for the cheetah cubs I was in had the exact same wall art. Seems a bit too coincidental, but maybe there's something to that pattern that's more common than I know.
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Philo 4483: Christian Faith and Science
Post by oldmanintheskydidntdoit
Quote (bjray @ Mar. 16 2010,13:58)However, you must realize that to my (somewhat) surprise, my inbox was filled with about 25 alerts from this forum regarding your replies. So, I have my work cut out for me.
You'll, er, want to turn that off!
Just to reiterate, CSI is the prize.
I would really like to see the CSI calculated for any one of the things that Dr Dembski claims it can be calculated for. Or a baseball. Or a cake. Or a salt crystal.
If CSI really means something and is something, then why can't we see it being worked out? Is there a list of objects and the values for the CSI for each? Even just one? And how it was worked out?
Can we give the explanatory filter a go while we're about it?
Quote (bjray @ Mar. 16 2010,13:58)However, you must realize that to my (somewhat) surprise, my inbox was filled with about 25 alerts from this forum regarding your replies. So, I have my work cut out for me.
You'll, er, want to turn that off!
Just to reiterate, CSI is the prize.
I would really like to see the CSI calculated for any one of the things that Dr Dembski claims it can be calculated for. Or a baseball. Or a cake. Or a salt crystal.
If CSI really means something and is something, then why can't we see it being worked out? Is there a list of objects and the values for the CSI for each? Even just one? And how it was worked out?
Can we give the explanatory filter a go while we're about it?
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Happy (belated) Birfday Alan Fox
Post by J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 16 2010,04:01) Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 15 2010,23:26)I haven't had time to follow the French stuff lately. Did we fair well?
Since you only have a very underperforming England team to beat on Saturday, you lovely chaps are due a Grand Slam this weekend.
Marc Lievremont's experiments with players over the last year or so (which were pretty controversial because it's only very recently he's fielded a consistent team) seem to have paid off. I think the French team are going to be serious contenders for the world cup next year.
Louis
Perhaps an exhumation / resurrection of the Duke of Wellington is in order? Wasn't Waterloo supposed to take of the French forever????
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 16 2010,04:01) Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 15 2010,23:26)I haven't had time to follow the French stuff lately. Did we fair well?
Since you only have a very underperforming England team to beat on Saturday, you lovely chaps are due a Grand Slam this weekend.
Marc Lievremont's experiments with players over the last year or so (which were pretty controversial because it's only very recently he's fielded a consistent team) seem to have paid off. I think the French team are going to be serious contenders for the world cup next year.
Louis
Perhaps an exhumation / resurrection of the Duke of Wellington is in order? Wasn't Waterloo supposed to take of the French forever????
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 3
Post by J-Dog
Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 16 2010,13:57)Heh heh, well spotted hrun0815.
PaulN: Quote I’m going to be Frank, are you being a troll on purpose?
hrun: Quote Hi Frank.(...)
A True Sense Of Humor at UD??? ... I fear the bannination button will soon get some use. As all UD posters know, there is nothing funny about ID, dammit!
Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 16 2010,13:57)Heh heh, well spotted hrun0815.
PaulN: Quote I’m going to be Frank, are you being a troll on purpose?
hrun: Quote Hi Frank.(...)
A True Sense Of Humor at UD??? ... I fear the bannination button will soon get some use. As all UD posters know, there is nothing funny about ID, dammit!
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