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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Richardthughes
Quote (silverspoon @ July 08 2008,19:02)According to Joy on TT, and her diary at Daily KOS, she was a health physics technician on operating nuclear power plants years ago. Of course she also said she witnessed a man (who I know) break every bone in his body being sucked through the escape hatch at Surry power plant. He was sucked in, and sustained 5 or 6 broken bones. A far cry from EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY. That was in the 70’s. He just retired last month.
Did I also mention she thinks the TMI accident produced 6’ tall giant clucking chickens? :p
oh, linky, please!
Quote (silverspoon @ July 08 2008,19:02)According to Joy on TT, and her diary at Daily KOS, she was a health physics technician on operating nuclear power plants years ago. Of course she also said she witnessed a man (who I know) break every bone in his body being sucked through the escape hatch at Surry power plant. He was sucked in, and sustained 5 or 6 broken bones. A far cry from EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY. That was in the 70’s. He just retired last month.
Did I also mention she thinks the TMI accident produced 6’ tall giant clucking chickens? :p
oh, linky, please!
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by silverspoon
According to Joy on TT, and her diary at Daily KOS, she was a health physics technician on operating nuclear power plants years ago. Of course she also said she witnessed a man (who I know) break every bone in his body being sucked through the escape hatch at Surry power plant. He was sucked in, and sustained 5 or 6 broken bones. A far cry from EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY. That was in the 70’s. He just retired last month.
Did I also mention she thinks the TMI accident produced 6’ tall giant clucking chickens? :p
According to Joy on TT, and her diary at Daily KOS, she was a health physics technician on operating nuclear power plants years ago. Of course she also said she witnessed a man (who I know) break every bone in his body being sucked through the escape hatch at Surry power plant. He was sucked in, and sustained 5 or 6 broken bones. A far cry from EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY. That was in the 70’s. He just retired last month.
Did I also mention she thinks the TMI accident produced 6’ tall giant clucking chickens? :p
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Uncommonly Dense: The BlogCzar Years. Er, Months.
Post by midwifetoad
Quote 15
DaveScot
07/08/2008
6:17 pm
austin_english
We have gross models of gravity that permit us to predict trajectories of projectiles with considerable accuracy. Similarly, we have gross models of evoluton.[/QUOTE]
You really lost the plot there. NDE predicts nothing. Look at poor Dr. Lenski and his 20 years and 40,000 generations of E.coli. He couldn’t predict jack diddly squat about what or when (if anything) was going to happen to them in the way of evolving. All he could do was watch, wait, then when and if something did happen he could explain it after the fact.
You had better a get a clue pretty quick or you’re history here.
On second thought, get lost. That was just too stupid to tolerate.
[QUOTE]
Quote 15
DaveScot
07/08/2008
6:17 pm
austin_english
We have gross models of gravity that permit us to predict trajectories of projectiles with considerable accuracy. Similarly, we have gross models of evoluton.[/QUOTE]
You really lost the plot there. NDE predicts nothing. Look at poor Dr. Lenski and his 20 years and 40,000 generations of E.coli. He couldn’t predict jack diddly squat about what or when (if anything) was going to happen to them in the way of evolving. All he could do was watch, wait, then when and if something did happen he could explain it after the fact.
You had better a get a clue pretty quick or you’re history here.
On second thought, get lost. That was just too stupid to tolerate.
[QUOTE]
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Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread
Post by midwifetoad
Quote So what's all this pious bullshit?
Maybe he remembers his days in the timeout room, outside the Inner Circle.
Quote So what's all this pious bullshit?
Maybe he remembers his days in the timeout room, outside the Inner Circle.
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Discussing "Explore Evolution"
Post by Dr.GH
Quote (Doc Bill @ July 08 2008,15:19)Without Paul to kick around this thread is very boring!
Dr GH, give us an error to kick around. How about a nice, juicy misquote?
Well, toward the end of the preface, they wrote, "Whenever there is disagreement over a particular point, we have tried to give arguments from the "best" people we could find on both sides of the question, rounding up the most qualified proponents and critics that we could."
Oh yeah. I believe that.
Quotes? Page six has a footnote #3. In that footnote (actually most substantive notes are collected at the end of the chapter) in very small print we may read, "In a famous passage from the end of the Origin, Darwin argued that, 'all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form.' This is called Universal Common Descent becasue it claims that every organism on Earth is connected to the same tree of life, rooted in the same common ancestor." They reference the First edition of The Origin.
Here is the quoted portion of the sentence presented in bold from the original first edition text: "I believe that animals have descended from at most only four or five progenitors, and plants from an equal or lesser number.
Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants have descended from some one prototype. But analogy may be a deceitful guide. Nevertheless all living things have much in common, in their chemical composition, their germinal vesicles, their cellular structure, and their laws of growth and reproduction. We see this even in so trifling a circumstance as that the same poison often similarly affects plants and animals; or that the poison secreted by the gall-fly produces monstrous growths on the wild rose or oak-tree. Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed.
So of course the creationists have lied. They changed the sentence punctionation to hide that they had redacted the sentence. It is interesting they have cut Darwin's reference to a Creator.
Nor have they presented Darwin's actual views. In the 6th edition he rephrased the same section to read, "I believe that animals are descended from at most only four or five progenitors, and plants from an equal or lesser number.
Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants are descended from some one prototype. But analogy may be a deceitful guide. Nevertheless all living things have much in common, in their chemical composition, their cellular structure, their laws of growth, and their liability to injurious influences."
And he added, "No doubt it is possible, as Mr. G.H. Lewes has urged, that at the first commencement of life many different forms were evolved; but if so, we may conclude that only a very few have left modified descendants."
Quote (Doc Bill @ July 08 2008,15:19)Without Paul to kick around this thread is very boring!
Dr GH, give us an error to kick around. How about a nice, juicy misquote?
Well, toward the end of the preface, they wrote, "Whenever there is disagreement over a particular point, we have tried to give arguments from the "best" people we could find on both sides of the question, rounding up the most qualified proponents and critics that we could."
Oh yeah. I believe that.
Quotes? Page six has a footnote #3. In that footnote (actually most substantive notes are collected at the end of the chapter) in very small print we may read, "In a famous passage from the end of the Origin, Darwin argued that, 'all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form.' This is called Universal Common Descent becasue it claims that every organism on Earth is connected to the same tree of life, rooted in the same common ancestor." They reference the First edition of The Origin.
Here is the quoted portion of the sentence presented in bold from the original first edition text: "I believe that animals have descended from at most only four or five progenitors, and plants from an equal or lesser number.
Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants have descended from some one prototype. But analogy may be a deceitful guide. Nevertheless all living things have much in common, in their chemical composition, their germinal vesicles, their cellular structure, and their laws of growth and reproduction. We see this even in so trifling a circumstance as that the same poison often similarly affects plants and animals; or that the poison secreted by the gall-fly produces monstrous growths on the wild rose or oak-tree. Therefore I should infer from analogy that probably all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form, into which life was first breathed.
So of course the creationists have lied. They changed the sentence punctionation to hide that they had redacted the sentence. It is interesting they have cut Darwin's reference to a Creator.
Nor have they presented Darwin's actual views. In the 6th edition he rephrased the same section to read, "I believe that animals are descended from at most only four or five progenitors, and plants from an equal or lesser number.
Analogy would lead me one step further, namely, to the belief that all animals and plants are descended from some one prototype. But analogy may be a deceitful guide. Nevertheless all living things have much in common, in their chemical composition, their cellular structure, their laws of growth, and their liability to injurious influences."
And he added, "No doubt it is possible, as Mr. G.H. Lewes has urged, that at the first commencement of life many different forms were evolved; but if so, we may conclude that only a very few have left modified descendants."
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Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread
Post by Reciprocating Bill
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 08 2008,15:43)This may be a good exchange:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-292113
I'm not unsympathetic to Dave's points.
But hasn't Father O'Dave stated that he doesn't believe in God, and comforms his conduct to the shallowest possible interpretation of Pascal's wager?
So what's all this pious bullshit?
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 08 2008,15:43)This may be a good exchange:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-292113
I'm not unsympathetic to Dave's points.
But hasn't Father O'Dave stated that he doesn't believe in God, and comforms his conduct to the shallowest possible interpretation of Pascal's wager?
So what's all this pious bullshit?
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Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread
Post by simmi
philosotard
Rude:
Quote There is an atheist argument that could be made and that would be via a kind of Platonism. Just as physicists tend to be mathematical Platonists (e.g., numbers are real, they’re actually “out there” and not just the rustling of neurons in the head), so also moral principles are real. The argument seems to me to be very much like the argument for natural law. The problem is that atheists tend to hate this argument—maybe because they don’t really want there to be a universal ethics.
"They" don't want there to be a universal ethics, which is why they espouse Platonism. WTF?? Just yesterday I was talking to my Platonic-moral-relativist buddy who told me about the nice chat he had with our common Kantian-utilitarian acquaintance.
(scare quotes around "they" because Rude means atheists but unconsciously or consciously means everyone/anyone who disagrees with him/her)
philosotard
Rude:
Quote There is an atheist argument that could be made and that would be via a kind of Platonism. Just as physicists tend to be mathematical Platonists (e.g., numbers are real, they’re actually “out there” and not just the rustling of neurons in the head), so also moral principles are real. The argument seems to me to be very much like the argument for natural law. The problem is that atheists tend to hate this argument—maybe because they don’t really want there to be a universal ethics.
"They" don't want there to be a universal ethics, which is why they espouse Platonism. WTF?? Just yesterday I was talking to my Platonic-moral-relativist buddy who told me about the nice chat he had with our common Kantian-utilitarian acquaintance.
(scare quotes around "they" because Rude means atheists but unconsciously or consciously means everyone/anyone who disagrees with him/her)
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Discussing "Explore Evolution"
Post by godsilove
If for argument's sake, the entire universe is created by MagicMan, how does Paul Nelson propose to identify design when everything is "designed"?
If for argument's sake, the entire universe is created by MagicMan, how does Paul Nelson propose to identify design when everything is "designed"?
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by midwifetoad
Quote (argystokes @ July 08 2008,16:41)Over on the comment thread in discussion, Joy said:
Quote Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy is a nuclear physicist? Really? I find it hard to believe she's ever been a scientist of any kind.
Homer's a nuckular physicist, isn't he?
Quote (argystokes @ July 08 2008,16:41)Over on the comment thread in discussion, Joy said:
Quote Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy is a nuclear physicist? Really? I find it hard to believe she's ever been a scientist of any kind.
Homer's a nuckular physicist, isn't he?
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Discussing "Explore Evolution"
Post by Doc Bill
Without Paul to kick around this thread is very boring!
Dr GH, give us an error to kick around. How about a nice, juicy misquote?
Without Paul to kick around this thread is very boring!
Dr GH, give us an error to kick around. How about a nice, juicy misquote?
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The golden crocoduck
Post by Kristine
Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2008,22:26)What keeps the planets from falling down? Heck, they are falling - they're throwing themselves at the sun constantly; they just keep missing!
Henry
The minute I heard B.S. say that, I thought, "It's called viagra, Ben. Easy as eye drops!"
("Planets." Ben no rocky anyone's world lately?)
Quote (Henry J @ July 05 2008,22:26)What keeps the planets from falling down? Heck, they are falling - they're throwing themselves at the sun constantly; they just keep missing!
Henry
The minute I heard B.S. say that, I thought, "It's called viagra, Ben. Easy as eye drops!"
("Planets." Ben no rocky anyone's world lately?)
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Dr.GH
So, TT really means "Total Tard?"
Are all the whack jobs from ARN posting at Mike Gene's little menagerie?
So, TT really means "Total Tard?"
Are all the whack jobs from ARN posting at Mike Gene's little menagerie?
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by argystokes
Over on the comment thread in discussion, Joy said:
Quote Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy is a nuclear physicist? Really? I find it hard to believe she's ever been a scientist of any kind.
Over on the comment thread in discussion, Joy said:
Quote Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy is a nuclear physicist? Really? I find it hard to believe she's ever been a scientist of any kind.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Arden Chatfield
Joy demonstrates her dedication to free speech and open dialogue:
Quote By the way, I am entirely and enthusiastically for immediate banning of any and all Swamp Thangs who come in as sockpuppets or marionettes, regardless of topical comments, feigned civility or any other excuse. Identified = Outta Here. Period, end of sentence, no appeal.
That's how I run my own sites, that's how I'd run TT. But I'm just a contributor who enjoys honest discussion of honest issues. Of course, I'm also a little old lady with no ego-chips on the table and long, long outgrown any residual fondness for juvenile delinquents.
Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy | 07.08.08 - 5:34 pm | #
My bolding.
Joy demonstrates her dedication to free speech and open dialogue:
Quote By the way, I am entirely and enthusiastically for immediate banning of any and all Swamp Thangs who come in as sockpuppets or marionettes, regardless of topical comments, feigned civility or any other excuse. Identified = Outta Here. Period, end of sentence, no appeal.
That's how I run my own sites, that's how I'd run TT. But I'm just a contributor who enjoys honest discussion of honest issues. Of course, I'm also a little old lady with no ego-chips on the table and long, long outgrown any residual fondness for juvenile delinquents.
Though as a mere nuclear physicist, I obviously don't know much. I expect Heddle would agree.
Joy | 07.08.08 - 5:34 pm | #
My bolding.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Nerull
He's also talking about the mysterious "they" editing his posts to make him look bad.
He made himself look like a fool, and he knows it.
He's also talking about the mysterious "they" editing his posts to make him look bad.
He made himself look like a fool, and he knows it.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Frostman
O.
M.
G.
Guts/Nelson has become really desperate. I mean really desperate. At Heddle's site he just accused me of spamming Telic Thoughts with pornography. Here was my response:
Quote This is the very first accusation that I have spammed, by Guts or by anyone.
Within the past eight months since the banning occurred, and especially within the hundred-plus posts Guts has made during the past few days, there has not been one mention of this accusation.
It is only now, after Guts has profoundly embarrassed himself, do we hear this accusation. I leave it up to the reader to estimate its validity.
O.
M.
G.
Guts/Nelson has become really desperate. I mean really desperate. At Heddle's site he just accused me of spamming Telic Thoughts with pornography. Here was my response:
Quote This is the very first accusation that I have spammed, by Guts or by anyone.
Within the past eight months since the banning occurred, and especially within the hundred-plus posts Guts has made during the past few days, there has not been one mention of this accusation.
It is only now, after Guts has profoundly embarrassed himself, do we hear this accusation. I leave it up to the reader to estimate its validity.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by carlsonjok
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 08 2008,16:16)If Martin Luther was alive today, he'd be blogging about his BM's and his farts:
Quote Luther, like all good Christians, hated the devil. He was known to have yelled at the evil one thus: "I have shit in my pants, and you can hang them around your neck and wipe your mouth with it." Luther felt that the spirit of God was strong in him for he could drive the devil away "with a single fart."
Maybe he was reincarnated.
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 08 2008,16:16)If Martin Luther was alive today, he'd be blogging about his BM's and his farts:
Quote Luther, like all good Christians, hated the devil. He was known to have yelled at the evil one thus: "I have shit in my pants, and you can hang them around your neck and wipe your mouth with it." Luther felt that the spirit of God was strong in him for he could drive the devil away "with a single fart."
Maybe he was reincarnated.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Arden Chatfield
Quote (dheddle @ July 08 2008,09:35) Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 08 2008,11:25)
"feint of heart" in paragraph 3 should be "faint of heart", I think.
Grr. I always get that one (faint/feint) wrong. Thanks--I fixed it.
As for coming/comming -- I just chose the correct spelling, taking the incorrect spelling to be incidental.
I liked this, by the way:
Quote Of these, per se, I have no objection. As I said, I enjoy ATBC in part because of its irreverent style, and I can be as ribald as, say Martin Luther.
If Martin Luther was alive today, he'd be blogging about his BM's and his farts:
Quote Luther, like all good Christians, hated the devil. He was known to have yelled at the evil one thus: "I have shit in my pants, and you can hang them around your neck and wipe your mouth with it." Luther felt that the spirit of God was strong in him for he could drive the devil away "with a single fart."
Quote (dheddle @ July 08 2008,09:35) Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 08 2008,11:25)
"feint of heart" in paragraph 3 should be "faint of heart", I think.
Grr. I always get that one (faint/feint) wrong. Thanks--I fixed it.
As for coming/comming -- I just chose the correct spelling, taking the incorrect spelling to be incidental.
I liked this, by the way:
Quote Of these, per se, I have no objection. As I said, I enjoy ATBC in part because of its irreverent style, and I can be as ribald as, say Martin Luther.
If Martin Luther was alive today, he'd be blogging about his BM's and his farts:
Quote Luther, like all good Christians, hated the devil. He was known to have yelled at the evil one thus: "I have shit in my pants, and you can hang them around your neck and wipe your mouth with it." Luther felt that the spirit of God was strong in him for he could drive the devil away "with a single fart."
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Discussing "Explore Evolution"
Post by Dr.GH
I buy all my fundy books used or remaindered.
I have stalled out reading Explor Evolution. I am on page 22. I have underlined errors on every page of text starting at the preface.
I buy all my fundy books used or remaindered.
I have stalled out reading Explor Evolution. I am on page 22. I have underlined errors on every page of text starting at the preface.
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The Guts/Nelson Alonso Thread
Post by Nerull
And Joy shows up to boost the insanity level a little higher.
And Joy shows up to boost the insanity level a little higher.
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