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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-03 19:38
Post by keiths
At ENV, Denyse inadvertently comments on her "journalistic" career:
Quote Well, continuing failure can undermine funding too.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-03 17:54
Post by NoName
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 03 2014,13:40)...
What makes you so sure that I was the one who drew the illustration?
Gee, could it be the complete lack of attribution to some other source?  You know, one of those things that actual researchers, actual scientists, even people in the humanities, are expected to do when they use material they did not produce and that is not already in the public domain?
Even in those cases, attribution is usually given just to make completely clear who did what.
Oh, silly me -- that's why there's no attribution.  Making things clear is against your standard policies and behaviors.
Never mind.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-04-03 17:53
Post by Jim_Wynne
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 03 2014,12:40) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 03 2014,12:01)   Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 03 2014,11:42)FYI

Forgive my not having time to feed thine pee contest trolls but I'm right in the middle of the IDLab version of
Spock's Brain. I must get back to work on him. So many neurons to account for! Or sort of anyway.

I successfully transplanted the new Grid Network into the IDLab4 critter. It's Attract and Repel location behavior is now excellent. The tan color circle+dot (showing where it's internal world model location is at) heads straight for the attractor/feeder like it did in the demo program. In its internal world model is already able to get from place to place. But there is no motor controller coded into it yet, so it just slowly wanders like a zombie that loves bumping into walls.

This is where in the coding project there is no longer a center angle vector as before, which was a problem with some combinations that summed to zero degrees. There is now just its moving through the grid, where something like this (from an earlier link) is very needed:

There is “distance”:

Distance = Sqr((X ^ 2) + (Y^ 2))

and a “direction” from Trigonometry function:

Direction = Atan2(Y/X)

The “2” indicates function code is included in Math routines to return full radian matching computer screen axis, angle 0 points right.

The illustration does not show all else the grid network could be doing besides providing distance and direction of its physical movements. But we don't have to worry about that, the computer model makes the rest of the controller transplant child's play, I think..
The folly of you mapping two-dimensional space and completely ignoring the third dimension has already been pointed out, but you outdo yourself when you describe movement as heading "SW" (presumably for southwest).
What makes you so sure that I was the one who drew the illustration?
My apologies if it wasn't you, but if it wasn't, you're still obviously using it to represent your own feeble ideas, and your "animal" can still only move in two dimensions.
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NSTA award for NCSE's Scott

Eugenie C. Scott

Eugenie C. Scott, the former executive director of NCSE and the current chair of its Advisory Council, will be presented with a Distinguished Service to Science Education Award from the National Science Teachers Association

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"Choose Controversies Wisely"

"When teaching scientific argumentation, selecting the wrong topic can impair — rather than increase — student understanding." That was the message of four members of NCSE's staff, Minda Berbeco, Mark McCaffrey, Eric Meikle, and Glenn Branch, in their commentary "Choose Controversies Wisely," published in the April/May 2014 issue of The Science Teacher.

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Brian Alters profiled in the Orange County Register

Brian Alters

Brian Alters, president of NCSE's board of directors, was profiled in the Orange County Register (April 1, 2014). 

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RNCSE 34:2 now on-line

NCSE is pleased to announce that the latest issue of Reports of the National Center for Science Education is now available on-line.

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Facebook: n > 50,000

A milestone: there are now over 50,000 fans of NCSE's Facebook page. Why not join them, by visiting the page and becoming a fan by clicking on the "Like" box by NCSE's name?

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Congratulations to Kenneth R. Miller

Kenneth R. Miller

NCSE is pleased to congratulate Kenneth R. Miller, who will receive the University of Notre Dame's Laetare Medal for 2014. 

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Coming Attraction: Biochemist Michael Denton and Privileged Species

Confronted with the message being broadcast each week on Cosmos, this couldn't more timely. David Klinghoffer
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"Design Features" Enters Cell Biology Vocabulary

Who knew? Evidently, it's OK now to ignore Darwinism and speak of "design features" in living cells. Evolution News & Views
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The War on Humans: Q&A with Wesley J. Smith and John West

ID the Future - Sun, 2014-03-30 05:32
Listen Now. On this episode of ID The Future, we're featuring clips of questions and answers with Wesley J. Smith and John West from the premiere of The War on Humans documentary. Smith and West briefly answer questions about...
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Censorship Is Atheism's Immune System

The irony of intolerant atheists is remarkable. Are you puzzled by this? Don't be. Michael Egnor
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The Rumors Were True: Noah's War on Humans

Having heard the rumors that the Russell Crowe $130 million extravaganza was distinctly anti-human and radically environmentalist, I decided to check it out. Wesley J. Smith
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 19:03
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 18:08
Post by Henry J
Quote they even make movies about it and movies are true
Has that guy seen History of the World, Part 1?

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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 17:08
Post by N.Wells
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 28 2014,19:48) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Mar. 28 2014,19:32)   Quote (NoName @ Mar. 28 2014,19:24)Still waiting for evidence.
Still waiting for something even remotely relevant to biology.
Or maybe even something not already known to be incorrect?
Something based in the real, natural world?

Free hint for the hard-of-thinking:
How well do you suppose your grid-based, all possible paths 'stored in memory', model will work in 3 dimensions?  Say, when a fly is avoiding the swatter you keep futilely waving around.  Hmmm?
Well, the "critter" in the program can virtually perceive all possible 2-D paths, so how hard could a virtual z-axis be? This is real-science, don't forget.  GG's critter can probably walk though walls if one is block its path.
I would say grid "modules".

But that's for another model with this sort of thing in it.
Congratulations, after a gazillion pages you finally cited some evidence that grids and grid-based navigation are genuinely  relevant to something biological (albeit not quite in the way you claimed).  Was that so difficult?

More of that sort of thing and you might run the risk of doing some useful science.

Note that Stensola's paper got into Nature and will deservedly win plaudits for the authors, because in a concise and clear paper they have made significant advances to scientific knowledge.  They've done this by going out of their way to document everything, to support and explain their reasoning, to ground-truth their ideas in as many ways as possible, to make claims that are based only on evidence at hand, and to avoid stepping very far ahead of their data, even though they clearly have larger questions in mind and suspicions about where future experiments are likely to lead them.  They have a beautiful and logical sequence of experiments.  Among their other virtues, they also write English very well, despite it not being their native language, they use "self-organizing" correctly, and they avoid blathering about fractals.  

In contrast, your approach to knowledge has been more like Giordano Bruno's: mysticism, invention (not the good kind), and bald assertion based on the way you think things ought to be.

The contributions of Stensola et al. (and their immediate predecessors) now legitimize discussion about the obvious advantages of a self-location system that is based on a processing array that patterns or mimics reality, and how such a system might have developed.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 14:15
Post by NoName
In other words, you're as bad at history and historiography as you are at everything else.
No one here will be surprised.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 14:07
Post by GaryGaulin
I was hoping that this one from the DI EN&V thread would be the post of the week, by now.

Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 23 2014,16:52)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 22 2014,14:38)There seems to be quite a number of people who joined the DI in criticizing how "Cosmos" included Giordano Bruno in their script.
Including several historians of science. Thorny C. has a guest post up about the problems with the cartoon, which makes the point that the Bruno story (like a lot of stories take from history) is being re-interpreted to fit into a
This betrays a mis-understanding of what the historians (at least) are complaining about:
    Quote And that is an unseemly outcome of this entire flap. A man who was imprisoned, tortured, and ultimately executed for disagreeing with authority is being vilified all over again by people who appear to be desperate to excuse a particular instance of action of the Inquisition, all the while also stating their general rejection of the methods of the Inquisition. Unsatisfied with the physical demise of Bruno, they persist in attempting an intellectual assassination at this late date. Others who think that there is something worth telling about this bit of history are reviled for a lack of nuance, or that they are necessarily adopting an extreme stance that religion is always and everywhere in conflict with science. It seems to me that an obstinate refusal to acknowledge an episode of religious interference in the matters of scientific inquiry does no favors to those who would like to see some comity between religion and science.
If you want to actually know why historians of science are criticising Cosmos, Becky Higgett summarises the issues: turning history into parable "it doesn’t exactly sit well with claims to champion evidence-based knowledge". The historians of science I'm reading (the ones who actually study the period) are saying that what was done to Bruno wasn't "religious interference in the matters of scientific inquiry", for example
    Quote But the truth is that Bruno's scientific theories weren't what got him killed. Sure, his refusal to recant his belief in a plurality of worlds contributed to his sentence. But it's important to note that the Catholic Church didn't even have an official position on the heliocentric universe in 1600, and support for it was not considered heresy during Bruno's trial.

On top of that, his support for Copernican cosmology was the least heretical position he propagated. His opinions on theology were far more pyrotechnic. For example, Bruno had the balls to suggest that Satan was destined to be saved and redeemed by God. He didn't think Jesus was the son of God, but rather “an unusually skilled magician.” He even publicly disputed Mary's virginity. The Church could let astronomical theories slide, but calling the Mother of God out on her sex life? There's no doubt that these were the ideas that landed Bruno on the stake.

From my research of the topic: Bruno was on a suicidal mission to use religion/philosophy to (what we now call) overthrow the government. He got Galileo involved in his personal feud by making it appear that their scientific work was part of a conspiracy to start a civil war. Hidebound university academics who hated Galileo (for such things as disagreeing with their Aristotelian curriculum) and wanted the pope to punish him did not help either.

If the pseudohistory/pseudoscience is good enough for an Atheist Convention then it's good enough for teaching to the US citizenry. But thankfully PBS did not get involved in this latest attempt to rewrite science history, to benefit a religion, and academics who benefit from the general public not knowing all that really happened.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Sat, 2014-03-29 13:24
Post by NoName
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 28 2014,20:48)...
But that's for another model with this sort of thing in it.
A turd in a punchbowl is another 'model' with this sort of thing in it.
It's 'bowl' Gary, not 'bowel'.  While you may be comfortable throwing any old thing into the former, as you do your "model", your "model" nonetheless resembles the output of the latter.

Your "model" is entirely a fantasy -- is it a coincidence that games from the Avalon Hill battle games up through D&D and its many cousins and offspring all use a hex grid for mapping and movement?  Or is it a tragedy that you floundered for months before 'discovering' the utility of hex grids for certain kinds of movement-based representations?

Yet in real life, Napoleon is not limited to one of six directions in which he can move either himself or his troops.  Neither is the Lich of Haunted Hollow.

The stumbling block in both cases is that they do not map well onto 3D situations nor do they readily model 'grasp' or 'extended reach' scenarios.  Nor do the persons or players have 'all possible paths' stored in memory.  There would be huge performance problems with that -- an area you are doubtlessly familiar with, albeit in a slightly different context.
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