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Paul Nelson and Joel Velasco Will Debate the Tree of Life; Event to Be Live-Streamed

With the usual debate categories scrambled, the interchange promises to be very interesting. Evolution News & Views
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Cosmos Scrubs Religion's Positive Influence from the History of the Scientific Revolution

Materialists project a religion-friendly image because popular culture expects it, while at the same time they make arguments to erode religious belief. Casey Luskin http://www.discovery.org/p/188
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Still Time to Register for the Westminster Conference on "Science and Design"!

Behe, Axe, Dembski and other leading figures in the intelligent-design community are coming to the Philadelphia area, April 11-12. Evolution News & Views
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Bill O'Reilly Talks with the Washington Post About Intelligent Design

"There's an Intelligent Design in the universe that created the human race." David Klinghoffer http://www.discovery.org/p/209
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They Left This Out of Cosmos: Newton Saw Nature as a "Cryptogram Set by the Almighty"

Watching Episode 3, I thought of John Maynard Keynes's summary of the relationship of Isaac Newton's science to his religious beliefs. David Klinghoffer http://www.discovery.org/p/209
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Now It's Newton: Ideology Continues to Trump History in Cosmos

Isaac Newton went much farther than modern intelligent design theory. He argued that the astronomical evidence points inexorably to the God of theistic belief. Jay W. Richards http://www.discovery.org/p/9
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Can We Solve the Mystery of the Origin of Life by Creating Life in the Lab?

Origin-of-life projects continue to head off in dozens of directions to nowhere. Denyse O'Leary
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Congratulations to Zack Kopplin

Zack Kopplin

NCSE is delighted to congratulate Zack Kopplin, recently named as the winner of the American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology's 2014 Howard K. Schachman Public Service Award.

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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 18:14
Post by Richardthughes
Quote (damitall @ Mar. 27 2014,11:20) Quote (Learned Hand @ Mar. 27 2014,17:06)Now you're just ducking the issue.
There's a joke in there somewhere about the bill, but I can't be bothered to think of it.
How do you make a duck into a great soul singer?



....



Put him in the microwave until his bill whithers.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 16:20
Post by damitall
Quote (Learned Hand @ Mar. 27 2014,17:06)Now you're just ducking the issue.
There's a joke in there somewhere about the bill, but I can't be bothered to think of it.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 16:06
Post by Learned Hand
Now you're just ducking the issue.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 15:51
Post by Jim_Wynne
The funny and/or frightening thing about all of this AI stuff is that GG, at some point way up the thread, claimed that his program is creating *actual* intelligence and not simulated or artificial intelligence.  

Paraphrasing Charles Babbage, I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke that sort of thinking.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 14:04
Post by k.e..
Quote (Learned Hand @ Mar. 27 2014,16:54)I think that's what they call a "typical turnabout accusation," with a side of straw man dipped in the oil of red herring and set alight with the flame of persecution.
If it walks like a canard and talks like a canard its a canard.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 14:02
Post by k.e..
N. Wells said Quote More importantly, you need to document the existence of molecular intelligence, to show that your bug has any relevance to real animals and the origins of intelligence, and so forth.

Gary has failed on all those counts AND KEEPS MOVING THE GOALPOSTS.

Gary's Goalpost moving Galloping Gibberish.
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Uncommonly Dense Thread 5

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 13:54
Post by Learned Hand
I think that's what they call a "typical turnabout accusation," with a side of straw man dipped in the oil of red herring and set alight with the flame of persecution.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 13:34
Post by k.e..
Quote (NoName @ Mar. 27 2014,16:26)Exactly like his 'theory' that fails to explain or even to address how theories are generated by acts of intelligence.

So the question of the day is "Is Gary too stupid to see this, or too blinded by his prejudices or simply performing 'sit down effluent comedy?"
He's performing Identity Politics à la Autism.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 13:31
Post by N.Wells
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 26 2014,21:55) Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2014,21:09)We aren't arguing over whether it works in your model, or whether Heiserman's definitions work for creating AI algorithms.
No we are not arguing that because David Heiserman's pertained to the underlying process that produces REAL intelligence, not ARTIFICIAL Intelligence.

Stop moving the goalposts, please.
Non-responsive, again.

You said, "In either case though, an unintelligent grid network still adds a remarkable ability to the IDLab critter, that can use either to add to its intelligent behavior. My David Heiserman based operational definitions for intelligence are now a Robotics101 sort of thing, not a controversial concept ......."

I agreed, saying "we aren't arguing over whether it works in your model, or whether Heiserman's definitions work for creating AI algorithms."  

You responded, "No we are not arguing that because David Heiserman's pertained to the underlying process that produces REAL intelligence, not ARTIFICIAL Intelligence.  Stop moving the goalposts, please."

I'm not shifting goalposts there: I'm agreeing with you.  We aren't arguing those matters, so your harping on my agreeing with you constitutes a rather looney shifting of goalposts on your part relative to our principal issues over your larger claims about the origin of intelligence, supposed "molecular intelligence", and so on

Heiserman viewed his robot AI solely as artificial intelligence.  He referred to it as evolutionary because it was a bottom-up style of learning about the environment by exploring it, and starting with simple behaviors that become more complex, rather than a top-down approach to AI.  As far as I know, he didn't claim to have shown how animal evolution worked or evolved (although it is reasonable to assume that it developed from simple to complex).   You are once again asserting without demonstration that his type of AI is exactly the same as all real biological intelligence, but you need to demonstrate that organisms work the way you are claiming.  More importantly, you need to document the existence of molecular intelligence, to show that your bug has any relevance to real animals and the origins of intelligence, and so forth.
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 13:26
Post by NoName
Exactly like his 'theory' that fails to explain or even to address how theories are generated by acts of intelligence.

So the question of the day is "Is Gary too stupid to see this, or too blinded by his prejudices or simply performing 'sit down effluent comedy?"
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A Separate Thread for Gary Gaulin

AE Public Forum - Thu, 2014-03-27 13:05
Post by k.e..
Noname said Quote Arguably, your central error here, as in your "theory" is your refusal to deal with goals.  Without the concept of 'goal' in your "models", you cannot account for why things behave nor can you account for any aspect of how they behave.

Precisely.
Ironically Gary's claim is that goal posts have been moved.
Why? IDists can't tolerate a natural world without their Overlord in Heaven. If intelligence arose by Evolution which CAN be computer modeled by GAs (and Intelligence  itself by Neural Networks) where does that leave their Overlord in Heaven? Well it leaves Her back in church as a belief system not the cause of everything. In his own little mind his goals are the same old ID tropes. God in Heaven or the Intelligent Designer, take your pick, made the world and Evolution is wrong.
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Jay Richards take on Cosmos and Newton

ARN ID Update - Thu, 2014-03-27 02:20

In ENV, Jay Richards opines that "host Neil deGrasse Tyson and the Cosmos producers have enshrouded this basic science with the same materialist narrative we've come to expect. Pre-modern peoples universally see false patterns and portents in the heavens, and invariably see the irregular specter of comets as portents of doom. We get the stereotypical contrast between a "prescientific world ruled by fear" - signaled by a cartoon drawing of a malevolent figure wearing a bishop's miter - and the emergence of modern science, which finally delivered us from such obscurantism."

"This way of framing the history of science, however, requires a great deal of distortion and misrepresentation, especially when it comes to the figure of Isaac Newton. With Newton, the Cosmos writers encountered a dilemma: Either ignore his frankly religious and theistic view of reality, or misrepresent and compartmentalize it. They chose the latter course.

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