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J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,14:20    Cool!  ERV (aka Abbie Smith, aka The Behe Basher, aka The Dembski Destroyer, aka Grad Student Extraordinaire) Catches the Discovery Institute Plagiarizing - Follow The link. http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007....sm.html ps:  ERV's Got New Do Too - check it out http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/CrazyDiamond/me/after.jpg edited to add information! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,14:43    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 20 2007,14:20) Cool!  ERV (aka Abbie Smith, aka The Behe Basher, aka The Dembski Destroyer, aka Grad Student Extraordinaire) Catches the Discovery Institute Plagiarizing - Follow The link. http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007....sm.html ps:  ERV's Got New Do Too - check out the previous post Sweet.   I love that original video.  Piggybacking DI crap on that beautiful animation is contemptible. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,14:46    I'm sure they'll have a press release up soon... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,15:03    While we would all like Harvard to crush DI, I believe they are sending them a 'cease and desist' letter.  While this is not 'crushing', it means that the rest of us should keep our eyes out for this animation at any future presentation.  If they use it, email me or someone at PT, and we will get it to the proper authorities.

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,15:10    Quote (ERV @ Nov. 20 2007,15:03) While we would all like Harvard to crush DI, I believe they are sending them a 'cease and desist' letter.  While this is not 'crushing', it means that the rest of us should keep our eyes out for this animation at any future presentation.  If they use it, email me or someone at PT, and we will get it to the proper authorities. Friday is just a few days away... look for Dembski to post the names, addresses and phone numbers of Harvard's board of regents at UD. I mean... we don't expect him to deal with this graciously, do we? -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,15:12    IIRC correctly UD blogged about this some time ago, it "proved" ID no doubt. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,17:29    At my blog paralepsis (link below) I transcribed Dembski's introduction to the video, with a few additional points: 1. Clearly, he wants people to think either he or Behe had made the thing, just like he wants people to think Behe discovered the flagellum.   2. This from the guy who says Judge Jones plagiarized the Dover decision. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,18:51    Looks like UD used to host it at this page. Update: A comment there notes that it did say "Harvard University" on the animation. Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 20 2007,18:52 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

J. O'Donnell Posts: 98 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2007,23:03    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 20 2007,14:20) Cool!  ERV (aka Abbie Smith, aka The Behe Basher, aka The Dembski Destroyer, aka Grad Student Extraordinaire) Catches the Discovery Institute Plagiarizing - Follow The link. http://endogenousretrovirus.blogspot.com/2007....sm.html Seems the DIs understanding of Law is as bad as their understanding of science. I guess that's why they've been beaten both in a court room and in the laboratory :) Quote ps:  ERV's Got New Do Too - check it out http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/CrazyDiamond/me/after.jpg edited to add information! <3 -------------- My blog: Animacules

Robert O'Brien Posts: 348 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,00:53    The lack of flatulence sounds leads me to believe Bill had nothing to do with the reworking. -------------- Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,07:32    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 20 2007,18:51) Looks like UD used to host it at this page. Update: A comment there notes that it did say "Harvard University" on the animation. ... I wonder if DaveScot did the alterations for Dembski?  Isnt he a 'computer' guy?  Has anyone heard his voice?

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,11:02    Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Nov. 20 2007,22:03) Seems the DIs understanding of Law is as bad as their understanding of science. I guess that's why they've been beaten both in a court room and in the laboratory Which I guess is why they tend to avoid both of those basic kinds of places? Henry

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,12:15    Quote (ERV @ Nov. 21 2007,07:32) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 20 2007,18:51) Looks like UD used to host it at this page. Update: A comment there notes that it did say "Harvard University" on the animation. ... I wonder if DaveScot did the alterations for Dembski?  Isnt he a 'computer' guy?  Has anyone heard his voice? He has a rather high-pitched voice and speaks with a slight lisp.  Not that that's wrong.... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,15:12    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 21 2007,12:15)     Quote (ERV @ Nov. 21 2007,07:32)     Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 20 2007,18:51) Looks like UD used to host it at this page. Update: A comment there notes that it did say "Harvard University" on the animation. ... I wonder if DaveScot did the alterations for Dembski?  Isnt he a 'computer' guy?  Has anyone heard his voice? He has a rather high-pitched voice and speaks with a slight lisp.  Not that that's wrong.... Are you being silly, or are you serious. or are you confused with Luskin?  We thought it was Luskin at first, but I found a podcast with him, and it wasnt. Have you heard the DIs narration?  Do you think it might be Dave??

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,15:59    I listened to it, and could not place the narrator's voice. That doesn't mean it isn't one of the big-time IDC advocates, but I wouldn't bet that way. Update: Springer is not what I'd consider a big-time IDC advocate, and I haven't heard his voice. Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 21 2007,16:00 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,17:01    Dave doesn't take house(boat) calls, either. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,18:21    Quote (ERV @ Nov. 21 2007,15:12) Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 21 2007,12:15)     Quote (ERV @ Nov. 21 2007,07:32)       Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 20 2007,18:51) Looks like UD used to host it at this page. Update: A comment there notes that it did say "Harvard University" on the animation. ... I wonder if DaveScot did the alterations for Dembski?  Isnt he a 'computer' guy?  Has anyone heard his voice? He has a rather high-pitched voice and speaks with a slight lisp.  Not that that's wrong.... Are you being silly, or are you serious. or are you confused with Luskin?  We thought it was Luskin at first, but I found a podcast with him, and it wasnt. Have you heard the DIs narration?  Do you think it might be Dave?? ERV - I have never heard DaveScot speak.   But if he did, he would have a high-pitched squeeky voice. Luskin is on tape all over - and he sounds just like a little lier. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,19:45    Whenever I've heard Dave speak it was was through the loudspeaker in the ceiling so it was hard to make out. Loud, overbearing and empty is all I recall. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,19:56    I thought the narrator was Dembski, but that opinion is really not based on much.

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 21 2007,19:57    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2007,20:56) I thought the narrator was Dembski, but that opinion is really not based on much. Which puts it right in line with every other thing regarding the IDCH... -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 22 2007,10:06    Quote I thought the narrator was Dembski, but that opinion is really not based on much. Can someone speed it up and add farty noises, so we can check? Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2007,16:00    NOTPOLOGY!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2007,19:41    Brief and to the point:   Quote Shorter Bill Dembski: News Release: Harvard's XVIVO Video The accusation that I stole Harvard's video is false. In reality I just circumvented distribution restrictions by copying it off the internet, modified it and made it look like my own work. BTW, comments are disabled, fuckers. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Mister DNA Posts: 466 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2007,20:52    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 26 2007,19:41) Brief and to the point:   Quote Shorter Bill Dembski: News Release: Harvard's XVIVO Video The accusation that I stole Harvard's video is false. In reality I just circumvented distribution restrictions by copying it off the internet, modified it and made it look like my own work. BTW, comments are disabled, fuckers. There's an extraneous slash in that URL - This link works. BTW, thanks for the link; I've always been a fan of Sadly, No!'s "shorter" posts. -------------- CBEB's: The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design. - vesf

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2007,22:08    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2007,18:56) I thought the narrator was Dembski, but that opinion is really not based on much. It's Dembski. Or I'll eat my dat. (Or is it "cog"?) I know that voice - I know those mannerisms, those inflections (yes, that's weird, I know), but I'm pretty sure it's him. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,07:52    A bit more commentary. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,08:13    When you start wondering if things can't get any worse for Dembski... Just wonderful!!! And all his own doing, too!

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,08:44    Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 27 2007,07:13) When you start wondering if things can't get any worse for Dembski... Just wonderful!!! And all his own doing, too! Now, now, Alan. You know the routine. Plagiarism suggests a plagiariser, but you don't get to ask who the plagiariser is! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

slpage Posts: 349 Joined: June 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,09:28    And, of course, FTK sticks her wet little nose in it and pulls back a turd: Quote "Okay, I haven't had time to follow this latest melodrama, so let me see if I have this straight. Dembski used a clip easily found on the Internet, and he credited the source. Now, Darwinists here and at Harvard are pissed because it was used in an ID presentation. Correct?..."

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,09:42    Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 27 2007,08:44) Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 27 2007,07:13) When you start wondering if things can't get any worse for Dembski... Just wonderful!!! And all his own doing, too! Now, now, Alan. You know the routine. Plagiarism suggests a plagiariser, but you don't get to ask who the plagiariser is! ;) Beautiful comment Kristine! They are now one step closer to re-labling their psycho-Christo movement as NID - Non-Intellignet Design. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,11:28    I hear that the Monday notpology is demonstrating rapid evolution. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,11:34    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 27 2007,11:28) I hear that the Monday notpology is demonstrating rapid evolution. Seriously, Wes, these teasers need to stop.  Give us the juicy details.  We wants them, we needs them! -------------- Evolander in training

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,11:48    Damn it, someotherguy.  I was listening to the BBC's version when I read that comment. Nice master.  Smeagol will be good... -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

fusilier Posts: 252 Joined: Feb. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,13:28    Shouldn't a Research Professor of Philosophy at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary be able to comprehend the notion of "You Shall Not Steal?" fusilier James 2:24 -------------- fusilier James 2:24

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,13:42    The DI's new theme song. This would have been a better soundtrack for the "Automated City" video. -------------- -Tom Ames

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,13:44    What I meant is that the notpology is being tuned-up as Dembski reads the feedback on other sites: Quote News Release: Harvard’s XVIVO Video By William A. Dembski | originally posted November 26, 2007 | updated November 27, 2007 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,13:57    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 27 2007,13:44) What I meant is that the notpology is being tuned-up as Dembski reads the feedback on other sites: Quote News Release: Harvard’s XVIVO Video By William A. Dembski | originally posted November 26, 2007 | updated November 27, 2007 Is this *on top of* our predicted melt down? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,14:35    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 27 2007,13:57) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 27 2007,13:44) What I meant is that the notpology is being tuned-up as Dembski reads the feedback on other sites:   Quote News Release: Harvard’s XVIVO Video By William A. Dembski | originally posted November 26, 2007 | updated November 27, 2007 Is this *on top of* our predicted melt down? I say this is on top of the latest gossip that Wes will immediately PM to all the longest-posting people on this board.  Right Wes? Meanwhile, we could all have fun and posit What The Major Meltdown News Might Be. I am thinking that Dembski's Seminary, that is currently paying his bills, has finally discovered what a disingenuous little lying sordid prick he is, and will give him his walking papers. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,15:38    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2007,14:46) I'm sure they'll have a press release up soon... It took Dembski 7 days to create the cover story press release. Can we put this through the Nixplanatory Filter to see if it was designed that way? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,16:49    In other news, what do Michael Medved and Larry Fafarman have in common? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Steverino Posts: 411 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,17:17    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 27 2007,15:38) Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 20 2007,14:46) I'm sure they'll have a press release up soon... It took Dembski 7 days to create the cover story press release. Can we put this through the Nixplanatory Filter to see if it was designed that way? Numbers!...Numbers!.....I think this is a job for "heroisameal"! Quick, to the Integers Cave! -------------- - Born right the first time. - Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers. - It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2007,20:51    Quote what do Michael Medved and Larry Fafarman have in common? Whoa.  I'm getting happier every day that Medved's now a DI fellow.  That's some tarderific defense of slavery in the US, there. One thing they don't have in common, though, I doubt if Medved's a Holocaust Denier like Larry :)

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,05:25    Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 27 2007,03:44) Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 27 2007,07:13) When you start wondering if things can't get any worse for Dembski... Just wonderful!!! And all his own doing, too! Now, now, Alan. You know the routine. Plagiarism suggests a plagiariser, but you don't get to ask who the plagiariser is! ;) That was deep, Kristine...      ...deep like the deep, dark pools of your eyes... Ow! *rubs side of head* "But it's Science, dear, it's all Science, honest." Ow! *rubs other side of head* [/undelurk]

k.e.. Posts: 5427 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,05:39    And all this time Alan I thought you were a cold heartless snob. ( For any IDists reading this ..........IT'S CALLED IRONY) -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,09:20    Specifics of Dembski's evolving notpology. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,09:28    Wes, are we closer to your promised Friday Meltdown? There seem to be plenty of little signs in the air. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,10:04    [quote=J-Dog,Nov. 27 2007,14:35]   Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 27 2007,13:57) I am thinking that Dembski's Seminary, that is currently paying his bills, has finally discovered what a disingenuous little lying sordid prick he is, and will give him his walking papers. No, sorry :(  But I will say that XVIVO pres is pissed, and SWBaptist is doing their own investigation. Hence the notpology.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,10:07    [quote=ERV,Nov. 28 2007,10:04] Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 27 2007,14:35)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 27 2007,13:57) I am thinking that Dembski's Seminary, that is currently paying his bills, has finally discovered what a disingenuous little lying sordid prick he is, and will give him his walking papers. No, sorry  But I will say that XVIVO pres is pissed, and SWBaptist is doing their own investigation. Hence the notpology. Whatever one thinks of ID, Dembski's dismal judgment and lack of impulse control is astonishing for someone of his age and position. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,10:13    Sociopath?

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,10:21    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 28 2007,10:07) [quote=ERV,Nov. 28 2007,10:04] Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 27 2007,14:35)     Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 27 2007,13:57) I am thinking that Dembski's Seminary, that is currently paying his bills, has finally discovered what a disingenuous little lying sordid prick he is, and will give him his walking papers. No, sorry :(  But I will say that XVIVO pres is pissed, and SWBaptist is doing their own investigation. Hence the notpology. Whatever one thinks of ID, Demski's dismal judgment and lack of impulse control is astonishing for someone of his age and position. Maybe before he did it he asked a few close advisors if they thought it was okay. DaveScot:  Hell Yeah Bill, Semper Fi.  Them dumb rubes in OK ain't gonna know nuthin nohow. Denyse:  Deeply intrepid, Bill, in Canada, we are it's not logical, but the mind will always know.  Buy my book. BA77:  Yada, Yada, Yada, Christ, Yada, Yada, 1,500 more Christ's and Yada, - Not, to be clear or anything, but it is okay Dr. Demsbksi, Yours In Christ. So, clearly, that's why Dr. Dr.'s Notpology, it's just not his fault. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,10:37    Isn't it just possible that Dembski just lurves lying for Jesus? He might just enjoy it...a lot....ew. Louis -------------- Bye.

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,11:02    So, would I be correct in assuming that somebody actually is trying to figure out who added the voice-over to the video?  The version that Dembski claimed he found on the "internet" hasn't actually been found by anybody else, has it? -------------- Evolander in training

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,11:14    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 28 2007,10:37) Isn't it just possible that Dembski just lurves lying for Jesus? He might just enjoy it...a lot....ew. Louis I think in Dembski's happy little perfect world, he would be Pope, and then people would stop laughing at him, and being mean to him, and he could pontificate and make everybody do stuff they didn't want to do. So, Lying For Jesus is just a means to an end for him. My $.02 analysis. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,15:24    Quote (someotherguy @ Nov. 28 2007,11:02) So, would I be correct in assuming that somebody actually is trying to figure out who added the voice-over to the video?  The version that Dembski claimed he found on the "internet" hasn't actually been found by anybody else, has it? 'We' have been looking for it for two months straight. No one on the planet has mentioned the manipulated animation, on the internet, except for summaries of talks given my DI fellows.  Yes, I mean 'fellows' and not 'Dembski.' Its all a coincidence, Im sure.

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,16:37    If the infamous Judge Jones animation is any indication, Dembski prefers taking his own voice and then distorting it a bit when making media presentations. Anyone have digital forensics tools (or even normal professional audio tools) handy? XVIVO should have something along those lines. I don't have anything like that, but if I did I'd first go about trying to figure out how the voice was distorted, if at all. I'd also check for common techniques (the kind you can do in garageband, etc) first. Alternatively, maybe Dembski just spoke in a very low voice- if you can't tell by ear, a more professional look at the waveform (or whatever else) might show it. Distortion or Dembski (or someone else) intentionally speaking in a low voice to disguise himself would explain why the narrator sounds so utterly, unforgivably gay. I'm not even going to speculate about how to un-distort it, because I wouldn't know. My knowledge of audio technology is pretty superficial. Listening to it again (at great pain) the cadence of the speech does sound very Dembski to me, but that could be confirmation bias. Anyone up to chasing the thing properly? -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,16:44    Addendum: Further listening has convinced me that a simple pitch adjust would make the video's voice into Dembski's normal speaking voice. Someone do that. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,16:47    Quote (ERV @ Nov. 28 2007,15:24) Quote (someotherguy @ Nov. 28 2007,11:02) So, would I be correct in assuming that somebody actually is trying to figure out who added the voice-over to the video?  The version that Dembski claimed he found on the "internet" hasn't actually been found by anybody else, has it? 'We' have been looking for it for two months straight. No one on the planet has mentioned the manipulated animation, on the internet, except for summaries of talks given my DI fellows.  Yes, I mean 'fellows' and not 'Dembski.' Its all a coincidence, Im sure. Cool.  I hope your efforts continue to be fruitful.   -------------- Evolander in training

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,19:37    Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 28 2007,16:44) Addendum: Further listening has convinced me that a simple pitch adjust would make the video's voice into Dembski's normal speaking voice. Someone do that. Per ERV, if it were Dembski, there have to be a lot of erms, and uhs, and more erms.... I have tried to protect by virgin ears and not listen, but you, my friend, have already suffered for your science... so what's the erm count per sentence? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,20:33    I went back and counted: nine "uh" noises in three minutes of video narration- not counting Dembski's introduction. I could have missed one or four, the narrator did some mumbling that may or may not have contained "uh"-ing. If anyone wants a more precise count, they can get it their own damn self. Pure Dembski. Even with recording equipment, he doesn't retake it until he stops saying "uh". The difference from his normal voice could even be due to the microphone, or speaking softly, or the recording, or ... you get the idea. If that's the case, a simple pitch-raise might not quite fix it to how he normally sounds, but it really seems like him. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,20:45    Are you all serious?  It cant be.  It cant.  The animation voice is so stereotypical homosexual male. It cant be him. ...........Can it?

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,20:53    It could be a very gay guy who just happens to "uh" just like Dembski, and who I erroneously perceive the same halting word frequency and speaking speed from. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,21:14    Quote (Annyday @ Nov. 28 2007,20:53) It could be a very gay guy who just happens to "uh" just like Dembski, and who I erroneously perceive the same halting word frequency and speaking speed from. Does it make me a bad person that I really, really hope that's true?   -------------- Evolander in training

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,21:24    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 27 2007,15:35) I am thinking that Dembski's Seminary, that is currently paying his bills, has finally discovered what a disingenuous little lying sordid prick he is, and will give him his walking papers. I would be surprised if any sort of place which would hire Dembski considered fraud and dishonesty to be actionable offenses. In fact, if Dembski is holding a position, I just assume the word 'dishonest' is in the position's job description, not too far from 'immature' and 'temper tantrum'. However, if the idle speculations above are true, and it came out that Dembski was gay, he'd be canned faster than you can say "wide stance". As an addendum, let me say that none of the gay people I have known and worked with would I smear by associating them with Bill Dembski.

Dr.GH Posts: 2324 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,21:32    Quote (ERV @ Nov. 28 2007,18:45) Are you all serious?  It cant be.  It cant.  The animation voice is so stereotypical homosexual male. It cant be him. ...........Can it? See?  Thats what I mean.  How did I ever get tenure in Psychiatry when I couldn't spot a homosexual unless they were wearing a dress, or tried to grab my ass? (Actually, I had a college friend who was sure he wasn't gay because he tried on a dress and wasn't turned on at all.  He was a dance major.  I hope I was never that naive).   :D Edited by Dr.GH on Nov. 28 2007,19:50 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,21:41    Quote (Dr.GH @ Nov. 28 2007,21:32) Quote (ERV @ Nov. 28 2007,18:45) Are you all serious?  It cant be.  It cant.  The animation voice is so stereotypical homosexual male. It cant be him. ...........Can it? See?  Thats what I mean.  How did I ever get tenure in Psychiatry when I couldn't spot a homosexual unless they wre wearing a dress, or tried to grab my ass? (Actually, I had a college friend who was sure he wasn't gay because he tried on a dress and wasn't turned on at all.  He was a dance major.  I hope I was never that naive).   :D Hey!  Some of my best friends love Broadway Musicals... So, I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but Demsbksi is NOT gay.  Remember Dembski starring in "The Sweater"?  Please.   No self-respecting gay guy that I know would be caught dead in that old rag. But isn't there some DI guy coming to Minneapolis soon?  I would be willing to bet a single-malt bottle of scotch, that he stops at the Larry Craig Memorial Stall for some quick Designer action. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,22:05    Dudes, you've all lost your minds on this narration. It doesn't "sound" particularly anything other than amateurish. Nor is it clear to me why "sounding gay" is somehow a pejorative, or is the occasion for all this titillation. Nor (IMHO) does the narrator sound particularly like Dembski, and weaving speculation to that effect out of thin air when he has flatly stated that it wasn't he who narrated the animation strikes me as more than a little out to lunch. What is the old saw? "Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice?" -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,22:18    Gay-sounding is not necessarily pejorative, but it's a pretty hilarious and often obnoxious (hilariously so) stereotype. Most gay stereotypes are, they're ... gay stereotypes. I basically agree with the rest, except that I'm not sure stupidity suffices and my ear just disagrees with yours about if it sounds like Dembski. Confirmation bias, maybe, it's true. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,22:22    I've listened to rather a lot of Dembski's speech, several times in close conversation, and I don't think that the narration was done by Dembski. I'm with RB on this one. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2007,22:53    I remain an unconvinced heathen. Does anyone have the modified version of the video, instead of the video of the video that's on ERV's blog? I think UD had it up, previously, even though it's down now. I want to look at it. I'm really quite surprised at how easily available good audio software seems to be compared to the last time I looked two years ago or so.  :D ... and I'll give it a rest if that doesn't work. I have limits to the distance I'll chase a weird theory. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2007,00:02    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 28 2007,23:05) What is the old saw? "Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice?" In general, I agree. In the case of the Discovery Institue, it might be more like "Never assume malice when stupid malice will suffice."

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2007,01:15    I thought this was worth reposting here, from the blog of some strange guy: Quote Hey, it suddenly occurs to me that, on an abstract level, there's something about this pattern that seems like what might be called "the inner life of the cdesign proponentsist." Consider Statement 1: I found it on the internet. Statement 2: the Designer did it. In each case, there's no natural explanation. Of course there isn't.  The internet didn't evolve, it was designed by designers.  So nothing on there is natural. Bob P.S. Methinks it is like a weasel. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 29 2007,04:00    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 28 2007,22:22) I've listened to rather a lot of Dembski's speech, several times in close conversation, and I don't think that the narration was done by Dembski. I'm with RB on this one. When I figured out that Dembski was the voice of the gassy Judge Jones, what tipped me off were the distinct Upper Midwestern vowels of his speeded-up speech.  You don't hear those vowels at all in the video narration.  I think RB and Wes are right -- it's not Dembski. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Altabin Posts: 308 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 01 2007,14:10    Now that the original video has been found (see here, via ERV), and the narration is clearly audible, I find it a little disappointing, given the brouhaha that it has stirred up.  It sounds like a bland, basically factual, amateurish narrative.  Can anyone point out to me what is specifically creationist about the narrative or editing? Not a biologist - maybe I missed it. --------------

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