| Quote (Jkrebs @ Aug. 20 2007,22:10) | Sal doesn't understand that ad hominem refers to dismissing an argument because of some irrelevant characteristic of the arguer. If I say that your ideas about ID are wrong because you are a jerk, that is an ad hominem argument. If I just call you a jerk, that is not an ad hominem argument. It may be rude and impolite, and it might be quite wrong (or not), but it is not ad hominem.
I'll also point out that Sal is not banned - his last foray at KCFS was sent to the Home for Wayward Comments, our version of the bathroom wall, but that is not the same as being banned
And the thing that Sal is most wrong about, and I am just sure he know this, is his statement that his post was moved because of its content, which was something about a quote from Lewontin. His post was moved because of his outrageous quote-mine about Darwin beating a puppy, and his absolute refusal to apologize, or even admit any wrongdoing, when the context of the quote was pointed out. |
I have posted about this on the Rhetoric forum at Young Cosmos. See it here while it lasts. Meanwhile, for posterity:
| Quote | On issues of respect. I see that Sal is upset at Jack Krebs. Follow me here. On UD, Sal writes:
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Jack Krebs argues:
Sal is not banned at KCFS. Any further discussion about this should take place there, not here, as it really doesn?t pertain to this site at all.
Yeah right, Jack, where I can?t plead my case before your over there where you act as Judge and Jury. I can plead my case here however, and since you?re here, it is an opportune time to mention it.
Any way, feel at home here at UD Jack, I have no intenetion of suppressing what you have to say.
I'm merely pointing out that I have extended much more courtesy to you than you have to me at KCFS, where people have the freedom to ignore threads that I start there (unlike a blog, where they have less choice about what they read).
I've asked UD commenters to treat you with respect like an opponent visiting under flag of truce. I?m complaining you hadn't gone the extra mile on my behalf over at KCFS where it seemed you?d tolerate any level of vulgarity directed toward me.
Your toleration of vulgarity and accusations of lying didn't bother me as much as the fact you would tolerate that and yet stop a limited number of discussions on scientific topics that I started and which I took care to stay on scientific grounds.
I posted material on Lewontin which you shut down, yet you regularly allow bandwith for insults and ad homs to be directed at me. I can take the trash talking, but I find it a bit inequitable that discussion of things like Lewontin?s Santa Fe 2003 paper get quickly labeled as spam, yet stuff on your board that should clearly count as frivolous is permitted.
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Okay. But at Kansas Citizens for Science, Krebs writes:
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[Moved to the HFWC. For Sal to post here, he must a) offer something other than a drive-by posting on a topic that he does not in fact discuss, b) drop his unconscionable sig line, and c) demonstrate that he will discuss rather than just provoke. Until he does otherwise, his presence here will be considered unacceptable trolling]
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"I beat a puppy, I believe, simply from enjoying the sense of power" -- Charles "Gas" Darwin
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I don't see how this is different from the "Recycle Bin" here, except that here some comments were also changed, mocked, etc. (Respect? Hmm.)
And I agree with Krebs about the signature line.
Anyway, I'm sure Jack feels treated with respect generally. Witness this:
| Quote | I'm pleased to announce that Jack Krebs, President of KCFS (Kansas Center For Sewage, a Darwinist organization for indoctrinating public school children into Darwinism) and author at PandasThumb is the recipient of the 2007 Darwin Awards conferred by the NCSE.
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Who wouldn't feel respected? |
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And I've been banned in 
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