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| Date: 2002/05/06 11:21:46, Link 66.32.159.25 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Howdy, The (briefly) available recordings of the presentations were interesting. I would very much like to contrast the oral presentations to the published positions. Do you (or anyone else) know how to get transcripts? The ARN folks (PLA etc...) seem to have them, but seem disinclined to sharee them with evilutionists. |
| Date: 2002/05/25 15:52:03, Link 66.32.145.101 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Saddly, the ARN crash denied the opportunity to quote Dembski calling his critics "leftists." It was in the thread called something like "Removing hypotheticals" or some such. |
| Date: 2002/05/29 17:18:59, Link 66.32.159.165 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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These are some of the articles I have in my abiogensis bibliography. I have mentioned to Ian the notion of a collaboration. While I am waiting for his reply, I am working on an annotated bibliography. Articles marke with an * are referenced in Wells’ Icons ... *Castresana, Jose, Matti Saraste 1995 “Evolution of energetic metabolism: the respiration-early hypothesis” Trends in Biochemical Science 20:443-448 Dismukes, G. C., V. V. Klimov, S. V. Baranov, Yu. N. Kozlov, J. DasGupta, A. Tyryshkin. 2001 “The Origin of Atmospheric Oxygen on Earth: The Innovation of Oxygenic Photosynthesis” PNAS-USA vl 98 no. 5: 2170-2175 Kasting, J.F. 1993 “Algae and oxygen in Earth's ancient atmosphere” (Tech. Comment) and B. Runnegar “Responce to Kasting.” Science 259: 835. Kolber, Z. S., C. L. Van Dover, R. A. Niederman, P. G. Kalkowski 2000 Bacterial photosynthesis in surface waters of the open ocean” letters Nature v.407:177-179 Olendzenski, Lorraine, Olga Zhaxybayeva, J. Peter Gogarten 2000 “How Much Did Horizontal Gene Transfer Contribute to Early Evolution?: Quantifying Archaeal Genes in Two Bacterial Lineages ” (Abstract) General Meeting of the NASA Astrobiology Institute. *Schwartz, Robert M., Margret O. Dayhoff 1978 “Origins of Prokaryotes, Eukaryotes, Mitochondria, and Chloroplasts” Science Vol 199 395-403 |
| Date: 2002/09/06 16:08:22, Link 216.249.105.227 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The arrest was reported at Cummings St. The arrest report indicated 100 Cummings, but this may be an error. 100 Cummings Rd is owned by WEAVER, BARRY D JR, apparently unrelated. FAITH FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH, HOVIND KENT TRUSTEE, owns 2 lots on Cummings Rd 21, and 23. Dr. Dino also owns quite a bit of N PALAFOX HWY, where JEWELL, PAUL DAVID (Witness, employee, and Son in law?) just happens to live; listed as 5270 N PALAFOX ST PENSACOLA in the arrest report. |
| Date: 2002/10/11 17:19:16, Link 216.249.106.105 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Thanks for the update. |
| Date: 2002/12/21 00:03:28, Link 216.249.106.138 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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SLP, "Perhaps it is that folks with super-high IQs also get a dose of instability/paranoia/various other complexes to go along with it." My sense is that people that used to be called "severely intelligent” (say the 4+ standard deviations above average group) have only the typical range and incidence of mental illness. They tend, in my experience, to view symbols as real a bit easier than most. My brother for example views money as the way to keep score in what he sees as a game. And so he has amassed a very high score. But this is common enough, and well accepted as normal. Many severely intelligent children become very frustrated with teachers and can become disciplinary problems. They also can become angry when other children change “rules” in play activities directly to prevent the brighter child from always winning. This may account for something that I have often seen; the severely intelligent generally find that whatever they are currently interested in is totally compelling to them. The interests and concerns of others are only grudgingly attended, if at all. Mentally ill people with very high intelligence can be much more visible than those who are less bright, as they are less likely to become jailed or hospitalized. |
| Date: 2002/12/22 01:01:15, Link 216.249.106.166 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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For the last few months the only reason to look in on ARN at all was to watch the meltdown. Honestly, is there a single interesting scientific position that any IDiot has ever offered on the ARN board? A bit over a year ago, I was taken in by an argument about Wells' Icons Chapter 2 about the oxidation state of the Hadean/Archaen and the origin of life. 1400 journal pages, 8 books and a year later, I have learned that neither DNAUnion or Mike Gene knew what they were talking about. (Nor does Wells) I learned nothing at all from DNAUnion, Mike Gene or Wells, other than they are too incompetent to even read the freely available literature. (OK, so it wasn't free. But I would say that I spent less than $500 on books, copying and journal fees. Well, less than $600) |
| Date: 2002/12/26 18:14:50, Link 216.249.106.65 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I am having a weird case of deja vu. The embryonic surfperch ( Embiotocidae ) have huge fins which are bright red with blood. These have long been recognised to function in the exchange of nutrients and gases with the mother. |
| Date: 2003/01/04 12:58:06, Link 216.249.107.142 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Welcome, and thanks for the reference. |
| Date: 2003/01/09 11:09:16, Link 66.32.145.46 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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There is a recent article that you may have seen that actually present a case that god-of-the-gaps are acceptable. Larmer R. (2002) "Is there anything wrong with 'God of the Gaps' reasoning?", International Journal for Philosophy of Religion, 52:129-142 True to the breed, Larmer apes Dembski claiming that forensic and archaeological sciences use this type of argument. |
| Date: 2003/01/12 14:36:56, Link 66.32.145.43 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Thanks for tracking this. Personally, I suspect that Hovind's account (shorn of self congratulation/self pity) is very likely accurate. Domestic scenes are always very emotionally charged, and on the edge of violence. |
| Date: 2003/01/15 01:25:32, Link 68.164.52.158 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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It has long been clear to me that the ID "argument" is unsupportable in an environment of open inquiry. They must either hide behind "moderation," or abandon any pretence of being scientific and go for purely political. Baptist YECs are more honest. That said, it ought to be naively obvious that genetic novelty may be maladaptive under one set of environmental and adaptive under another. Thus, under conditions of a dynamic environment, the contribution of a genetic novelty to an organism’s fitness will occasionally shift from neutral or even mildly negative to positive or even strongly positive. I have yet to see any way that the “front loading” argument can be distinguished from the instance of an environmental change resulting in improved fitness for some organism. The millions of extinction events also demonstrate the reverse condition. If there was ever any question in my mind as to the possible validity of “front loading” it would perish on the rocks of extinction. The last time I engaged Nelson Alonso in a discussion (almost a year ago on ARN), I found that he was plagiarizing text from a 7th Day Adventist site. What locked the case was that the SDA text had miss referenced an original article in Nature, missing identifiying the author's name and making a page number error dutifully copied by Nelson. Nor did the original Nature article even support the SDA/Alonso argument. I would not have bothered to run a search engin check if I had not first made an effort to locate the original 1950s Nature article as referenced by the SDA/Alonso argument. As SDAs are the source of our 20th C YEC affliction, I would deduce from Nelson's parroting of their text as indicative of a YEC perspective. |
| Date: 2003/01/15 01:52:03, Link 68.164.52.158 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Heh. Thanks for the link. |
| Date: 2003/01/19 16:33:22, Link 68.164.237.125 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Let me recommend The Things We Doby Gary Cziko. His chapter 7, The evolution of Animal Behavior is particularly apt. I think that you will find considerable support for some of your thoughts posted above. The relevant question raised by Cziko is why do we think that we think differently from animals? The error that the Intellegent design creationists make, and many of their critics, is the assumption that human behavior is categorically different from nonhumans. |
| Date: 2003/01/20 18:56:32, Link 68.164.71.195 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Chimps also perform more like humans on other barrior tests, as well as their ability to recognize themselves in mirrors. |
| Date: 2003/01/22 01:16:11, Link 68.164.58.24 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Thanks for the link. I am too revolted to comment tonight. |
| Date: 2003/01/22 14:42:20, Link 68.164.234.61 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Impressive bio. Has he faced off with Gish or other creatos in a packed (hostile) audience before? As you know, Gish has made a living at "winning" aginst better informed people in front of large audiences. |
| Date: 2003/01/23 20:16:52, Link 68.164.71.170 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Should be a good show. I would like to make it, but I am less than sure. |
| Date: 2003/01/25 13:40:09, Link 68.164.234.169 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Thanks Wesley. I wish I could have gone, but all in all it was best that I sayed put last night. I look forward to further instalments |
| Date: 2003/02/10 13:25:25, Link 68.164.236.220 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Thanks for the news. We need seminars for state lawmakers too. Does NCSE have any programs that you have attended? I'll check their web site. |
| Date: 2003/02/12 13:24:37, Link 68.164.64.128 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Thanks for the referances. You might also like to look at: Woese, Carl 1998 “The universal ancestor” PNAS Vol. 95, Issue 12, 6854-6859, June 9 Woese, Carl 2002 “On the evolution of Cells” PNAS Vol. 99 13:8742-8747, June 25 I am sorry that I don't have time today to give a preview. |
| Date: 2003/02/15 16:39:49, Link 68.164.62.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Some of their finds are to be evaluated at the Black Hills Institute for Geological Research, Inc. The Black Hills folks have long been controversial for their illegal excavations, and commercial practices (they were the outfit that sold the T. rex known as "Sue".) It is true that many paleontologists buy and sell fossils, but this is rarely their principle source of support. A fun book on the early years of American paleontology is "The Bone Wars." |
| Date: 2003/02/15 16:40:46, Link 68.164.62.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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| Date: 2003/02/19 17:14:57, Link 68.164.54.21 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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"Marine Biologist-Filmmaker Stephen Lawler will present the Bigger Picture Foundation's most popular 'discovery event' - a spectacular and insightful 8-hour live animated multimedia seminar, "ORIGINS: The Bigger Picture" at a local church in the San Francisco Bay Area." Scrapping the Barrel |
| Date: 2003/02/22 15:42:10, Link 68.164.239.32 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Here is another: SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION OF GEOCENTRICITY and another: 200001NL -- The Creation Science Association For Mid-America (CSA) |
| Date: 2003/04/07 18:46:36, Link 68.164.49.77 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Great material as always.
This is a very good point. I hope that you will boil this thread down to a reply to Berlinski sent to Commentary, and with either a TD FAQ link, or at least a link to this thread. Please! PleasePleasePleasePlease |
| Date: 2003/04/28 12:45:15, Link 68.164.58.42 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Nice work. |
| Date: 2003/05/17 18:37:39, Link 68.165.16.142 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I gotta say that that last post made me a bit unsettled. "Der ar' tings man is not ment to know, Herr Doctor! Der villagers might riot!" |
| Date: 2003/08/14 14:37:18, Link 68.164.71.205 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| There are a couple more letters published as well. |
| Date: 2003/08/23 13:34:57, Link 68.164.54.193 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Thanks for the link to West's essay. |
| Date: 2003/09/01 19:45:42, Link 68.165.22.22 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Thanks Wesley |
| Date: 2003/11/30 21:39:42, Link 68.164.49.49 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Odd. All the Dembski critiques by Sobel seem to have been taken off line. |
| Date: 2005/01/17 14:04:48, Link 69.3.63.131 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Great job taking the DI flack apart. |
| Date: 2005/03/20 14:41:30, Link 66.167.110.177 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I think we can see the DI response in general here to the probable pending loss in Dover: ~~The Dover result only related to using "Of Pandas and People" and can not be generalized beyond that to the teaching of ID. "Of Pandas and People" was a very dated book, even the publisher acknowledged is no longer representitive of the vibrant research sucksesses of Intellignent Design.~~ Or words to that effect. |
| Date: 2005/03/21 01:06:14, Link 69.3.213.233 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Howdy, That would be nice of you, but they would probably think that you had rocks in your head. |
| Date: 2005/03/21 15:42:49, Link 69.3.117.49 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Well, joe. At least your theory makes sense. |
| Date: 2005/03/23 11:06:05, Link 69.3.114.239 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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BTW, I have been meaning to congratulate Lenny, nad his group for a great idea. Oh, I just did. Anyway, congratulations again. Gary |
| Date: 2005/04/07 19:02:33, Link 69.3.135.103 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have copies of; "Why Intelligent Design Fails; A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism " "Creationism's Trojan Horse " that I am happy to part with. Should I send them directly to Dover, or to you? |
| Date: 2005/04/17 13:27:58, Link 66.167.104.24 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I sent the following to the newspaper "letters to the editor" and to the reporters Lenny suggested: To the Editors: I donated two books, "Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism," and "Creationism's Trojan Horse" to the Dover High School Library, clearly labeled on the envelope as "Library Book Donations." The package was delivered at 9:39 am on April 14, 2005 in DOVER, PA 17315. The package was signed for by G. Brower. I am particularly happy to have donated these books directly to the Dover High School library as I am one of the contributing authors of the first, an admirer of the second, and have closely followed the creationist threat to science education in Dover schools. Dr. Gary S. Hurd Dana Point, CA |
| Date: 2005/12/03 19:55:52, Link 69.3.211.97 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Well stated, Wes. You have relieved some of my concern. |
| Date: 2006/06/21 13:39:30, Link 69.3.181.64 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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One "crandaddy" posted at UncommonDescent couple of weeks ago, the following sillyness: "The Dilemma of Joe the Archaeologist." Since it mentioned archaeology as a source of support for IDiocy, I took a closer look. crandaddy used two images,  Image #1and  Image #2crandaddy placed these images into an unlikely scenario of an archaeologist, Joe, wandering off into the Andes Mountains looking for some mega-site to excavate. Joe is grant funded, is associated with a major university, and has two work crews. These teams produced the two photos above, and "Joe" has the dilemma of chosing where to dig. The first image is to be taken by a naive observer as the product of natural events and thus "less designed" than the other. This is therefore intuitive "proof" that there is "design" that "design" is easy to recognize and that this is taken to be evidence of God. (This last bit is based on the open admission by all principle IDiot "theorists" that their "Designer's" real name is Yahweh). First, let's clarify a few trivial points; The first image is from some rocks in Simi Valley California, the second image is of an Olmec sculpture currently in Villahemosa,Tabasco Mex. and was originally excavated at the early Olmec site of La Venta. Another trivial point is that I have conducted research at all of these locations.* So for openers, Joe needs a new job, becasue he will be fired for not knowing whether he is in California, Mexico, or somewhere over the rainbow. At least we know he is not in Kansas, because many of the State School Board there believe ID BS. But, crandaddy has illuminated a few knobs on the IDista's noggin' for us. First, there is the notion that that any fool can get lots of grant money. Because we also know that "Joe" is a scientist and a university associate, and that grants come from poor tax payers we "know" that intellectual scientists (who are actually all fools) are all ripping-off the poor tax payer. But more interesting is that here in California, and probably all over the world, there are natural, unmodified rock formations which are though to have some resemblance to some human feature. Many are taken to resemble human genitals and they are worshipped as aids to fertility. These sorts of sites are well attested in ethnography (eg. "Ceremonial Fertility Sites in Southern California." Charlotte McGowan, 1982 San Diego museum of Man). For example, maybe davescot can recall some of his photographic inspired sexual fantasies and identify this image?  This is a basic error of IDiots: There is no difficulty in finding patterns and inventing associations. All cognizant people do this all the time. Science has the more difficult task of rejecting false patterns and spurious associations. * I logged-in over at UD to point this out in two posts. The first substantive post was blocked and the second posted with a "spell flame" from the ever pathetic davescot. Oh well, as Bill Demski is so fond of saying, "Pearls before Swine ..." Except Dembski needs to offer retractions, and I don't. |
| Date: 2006/12/07 15:57:01, Link 69.3.183.28 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The best book for general readers currently available is still; Iris Fry, 2000 "The Emergence of Life on Earth: A Historical and Scientific Overview" Rutgers University Press It really needs to be updated because the last 7 years have been more productive for OOL than the prior 20. Old earth creationists Rana and Ross have a book out on OOL. I have a critical review in the stack which should be published by NCSE in a month or two. R&R set as one of their goals to update "The Mystery of Life’s Origin" (1984). They needn't have bothered. |
| Date: 2006/12/12 12:26:50, Link 69.3.211.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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If you have not looked at this online resource, I think that you should. |
| Date: 2006/12/13 11:48:45, Link 69.3.128.95 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
[quote="Rev Dr" Lenny Flank,Dec. 13 2006,06:56]
Yes, but we cannot let them play with matches.  |
| Date: 2006/12/13 16:05:26, Link 69.3.128.95 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I watched the flash vid, and it was great! Most of the better put-down lines from the decision; getting to see the various "Darwinist fanatics" (I am SO jealous). Who was the woman in the hat? |
| Date: 2006/12/13 17:16:06, Link 69.3.128.95 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Barbara is the 6th from the left, in the opening segment she is behind Jones's right shoulder. The last photo on the right is someone I don't recognize. The hat with the danggling store tag is from Minnie Pearl's "Grand ol' Opery" character. So, I think it is Dawkins, Scott,  , Miller, , Forrest, Dennett, Elsberry (hipp hip ...) and then .The two men seem familiar but I can't place their names. Nick should be up there too. |
| Date: 2006/12/18 18:04:10, Link 69.3.213.77 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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(Scott) There once was a judge in ol’ Dover… (tribune7)Who was certain he was related to Rover, So he saw his chance Dropped his pants And when the ACLU arrived, bent over. |
| Date: 2006/12/21 19:54:23, Link 69.3.213.178 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Southern California- currently in Dana Point about 3 blocks from the ocean. I lived for 5 years (off and on) in Yucatan, Mexico, and for about 6 years in Augusta, Ga (AKA Disgusta) where I taught at the Medical College of Georgia. As far as anyone can determine, 18th century immigrants from Scotland and France married into various combinations with some Native Americans for seasoning. |
| Date: 2006/12/21 19:58:16, Link 69.3.213.178 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Don't forget Valley Fever! I had it once when I worked on a cotton farm in Bakersfield. |
| Date: 2006/12/26 23:32:22, Link 69.3.134.5 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I don't really see this thread going very far, but you might enjoy my response to Jonathan Sarfati regarding Imai et al (1999) “Boiled Creationist with a Side of Hexaglycine: Sarfati on Imai et al. (1999)." |
| Date: 2006/12/27 00:15:17, Link 69.3.134.5 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Compromiser! |
| Date: 2006/12/27 00:43:59, Link 69.3.134.5 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Howdy Wes, How goes the TO battle? I wonder when the feedback might come back online? I should enjoy the respite, but I pathologically miss it. Gary |
| Date: 2006/12/30 01:29:53, Link 66.167.105.56 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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ya see? I just refuse to try to explain this any more. OOL demands a solid grasp of geochemistry, and biochemistry. Plus, you had better do some solid astrochemistry as well. OOL is far more difficult than the standard creationist crap. It is much more difficult in the first place, and then you must be ready to deal with the creationist lies and blunders. I have a 35 page bibliography (and growing) and I have had to limit my attention to areas that I think will be most productive. It is just too much! This is how ID really started. With Thaxton, C. B., Walter L. Bradley, R. L. Olsen 1984 The Mystery of Life’s Origin. New York: Philosophical Library. It was not Johnson, Behe, or Dembski. |
| Date: 2006/12/30 20:08:32, Link 69.3.208.244 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Iris Fry, 2000 "The Emergence of Life on Earth: A Historical and Scientific Overview" Rutgers University Press This is still the best single cover book available. This is sad actually, because there is a huge amount of new work that needs to be presented to general readers. (Hazen has too many personal issues that he lets into his book). Shapiro has made a career out of being negative. Every ship needs an anchor, and Shapiro is the anchor for OOL. That is not for me. I am in the process of writing up some material, and I have descided to use it as a doctoral proposal. No need to tell me- I think that it is very weird too: GREs, orals, at my age. I must be sick. Maybe I'll recover. But if I am to personally follow this, I need a lab and graduate students have access to labs. |
| Date: 2007/01/01 17:50:05, Link 69.3.213.105 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Well, like Ed insists, you are either on his side or the 'other side.' What ever it takes to shore-up lack of readers, I guess. |
| Date: 2007/01/03 17:50:44, Link 69.3.210.16 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Re: Scaly Friends The most dumb lucky snake experience I ever had was in southern Yucatan. I was walking along and saw three men with machetes drawn surrounding a bush. I walked up and asked if there was a snake in the bush. (I was in the town of Bacalar, and I was expecting three gringa herpetologists to visit. I had met them in Ticul and we had had some fun. I was a herp turned anthro guy). The locals said yes, there was a deadly snake in the bush. Locals always say that all snakes are deadly, so I discounted their warning. I saw a bit of it and its head. I took my hat and waved it in front of the snake, and when it struck at my hat I grabbed the little cutie. It was a ferdelance about 3 feet long (a young'n). I kept it for 3 or 4 days, but the chicas never showed up. Luck can only last so long. |
| Date: 2007/01/03 18:05:28, Link 69.3.210.16 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Re: Big Kitty I worked on a mountain lion tagging/tracking project in Orange County Ca. We were training two puppies as lion dogs. On their first time to run with the three adults (two dogs and their mam) the pack gave up the chase except for the puppies. They worked another hour and treed the cat! We had been so ticked off that these two stupid puppies were still running until we heard them switch to a "cat in the tree" yip. The adults picked up their ears and tore off. We only had radio collars on the two dogs, so it really helped find the tree et al. |
| Date: 2007/01/04 14:08:54, Link 69.3.211.102 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have read it through once, and will probably make a second pass. I am not ready to make much about it other than to note that Yockey knows much more about physics and math than about chemistry or biology. However, he thinks that there is not real difference between math and biology therefore he is (in his imagination) an expert in biology and biochemistry. |
| Date: 2007/01/10 11:50:12, Link 66.167.104.31 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I noted that some of the UD regulars had started to direct questions to Febble. Since davetard cannot stand anyone get attention other than his tardness, let alone showing him to be a tard, banning was immeadiate. Welcome, Febble. |
| Date: 2007/01/10 13:43:08, Link 66.167.104.31 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Der Groppingfurer ran aginst Davis claiming that Davis has collected "special interest money" and was going to put the State into debt. The bastard has broken the money collection record of Davis (collecting millions from such special interests like state contractors and the state prison guard union for example), and his spending plans will backrupt the state. All his policies have been recycled from Pete Wilson, and now he has flipped into the Kennedy school of deficit spending. |
| Date: 2007/01/10 17:52:35, Link 66.167.104.31 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Heheh As I recall mentioned here, D'tard computed an IQ score based on SAT scores he recieved around age 25. If being abnormally intelligent lends credability, I would point out to 'tardboy that my IQ (based on my SAT scores taken at 17 YoA) yield a "computed IQ" considerably higher than his. I did even better than that on the WAIS when I was drunk. Oh, and I earned a PhD before I was 25. So 'tardboy, abandon creationism RIGHT NOW! This is an illustration of the false argument that D'tard exemplifies which is a minor variation on argument from authority. Actually the most intelligent person I have ever met was an illiterate peasant in a mud hut in a Mexican village. True genius; he had independently invented the experiment, and had heard of writing and invented his own script. Febble: I would be interested in a seperate discussion on the notion of intelligence and "materialism." If you would be interested, we could start a seperate thread- this one is for the abuse of UncommonDescent. |
| Date: 2007/01/10 20:18:35, Link 66.167.104.31 |
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We know that language alters neuroarchitecture. We know that learning alters neuroarchitecture. We know that CVAs destroy significant parts of the brain, and that learning/therapy may alter neuroarchitecture leading to (partial) recovery. Some people make the observation that "learning" and "language" are not material. They are concepts that can be transmitted. This observatrion is totally false. There is no non-material way that concepts are transmitted. The voice must move air molecules in a patterned wave which impacts the ear and then promotes an electochemical reaction in the brain which alters the structure of the brain itself. The mechanical, or electro-mecanical process of writing stimulates the eyes in a similar manner. There is no non-material way that conceptual information can be broadcast, the neuroarchitecture of the brain and the extremities must act electrochemically in order for thought to even occur. However, note that concepts so transmitted- language, and written language being the most profound forms- alter neuroarchitecture! That even personal contemplation alters neuroachitecture is self evident. We are self programming, open source, cognitive machines. This "self programming" is my notion of "free will." We humans and a few other mammals have the ability (I think neuro complexity) to have a sense of self. We humans are also capable/vulnerable of/to disassocitive states. Disassocitive states can be induced by trance or drugs or neruopathology, and are I believe the source of "spiritual" experiences. In the book review written by Dembski, linked by Febble, there are several obvious errors. The largest I see is the notion that there is a non-material cognition, his God in fact. Since it is critical for Dembski to preserve this idea, it is also trivial for him to project its existance to the question of the "mind/body" problem. He needs God to exist, so he needs a non-material "mind" divorced from the messy wetness of the brain. When making bold pronouncements such as the above, one usually adds references. Here are some; 1984 "Manifestations of Possession in Novel Ecological Contexts," G. S. Hurd, E. M. Pattison. in Ecological Models in Clinical and Community Mental Health, W.A. O'Connor and B. Lubin (ed.s). John Wiley & Sons: New York. 1985 "Trance and Possession States," E. M. Pattison, Joel Kahan, G. Hurd. In Handbook of Altered States of Consciousness. B. B. Walman and M. Ullman (ed.s) New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold. 1985 "Superstition," G. S. Hurd. In Baker's Encyclopedia of Psychology. David Brenner (ed.) Baker Book House, Grand Rapids. |
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I put this together almost 2 years ago, and it need to be updated. But, I think that you can still get a quick start on the relevant literature in primary journals. Darwin's first edition of The Origin of Species made no particular mention of the origin of life. He does make some general observations in the conclusion of the sixth edition published in 1872. He writes,
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The final sentence in the first edition, "There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved." was slightly modified in the Sixth to clearly indicate that the "Creator" was responsible for the origin of life. Some scholarly studies claim that Darwin regretted making this concession to his publishers. The general interest books on the origin of life (OOL) typically start with a lengthy discussion of the historical theories of life. Beginning with the Greeks and working our way toward the present, there are three most significant events: the invention of the microscope, the synthesis of urea, and the experiment by Pasteur in 1862. All the early thought on the origin of life can be reduced to a theory of spontaneous generation of life, or the creation of life by supernatural external agency. The invention, and improvements to the microscope between 1590 and 1674 CE profoundly changed mankind's conception of life and its complexity. This seemed to many as support for the spontaneous generation of life notion, as these microscopic life forms were thought as the simple "seed" for latter complex life. Anton van Leeuwenhoek's discovery of sperm also added to this "support" for the spontaneous generation theory. There was also the thought that the organic "stuff" of life was completely different from "inorganic" or mineral matter. Known as "vitalism," this concept was shown to be false by Wühler in 1832 when he made urea, a "live" compound, from inorganic stock chemicals. The most popular argument that creationists like to cite against results from modern origin of life research is that Pasteur demonstrated that the "spontaneous generation" theory was invalid. However, we should be quite clear that the Pasteur experiments showed that complex life forms do not form spontaneously. They did not address the origin of life as we currently understand the concept. The growing interest in the search for extra-terrestrial life as fueled more productive research on OOL in the last 15 years than has ever been done in history. The Emergence of Life on Earth: A Historical and Scientific Overview by Iris Fry, (2000 Rutgers University Press), is the best general reader book available on the topic. Even though it is only 5 years old, a second edition is warrented to bring her presentation up to date. There are quite a list of specifics that go into origin of life research, and very few research groups go far with more than a few. Just to list the key areas as I see them: 1) Composition of the Hadean/early Archean atmosphere. The key reference(s) here is: Genda, Hidenori & Abe, Yutaka 2003 “Survival of a proto-atmosphere through the stage of giant impacts: the mechanical aspects" Icarus 164, 149-162 (2003). Holland, Heinrich D. 1984 The Chemical Evolution of the Atmoshphere and Oceans, Princeton Series in Geochemistry Princeton University Press Holland, Heinrich D. 1999 “When did the Earth’s atmosphere become oxic? A Reply." The Geochemical News #100: 20-22 (see Ohmoto 1997 ) Kasting, J. F., J. L. Siefert, 2002 “Life and the Evolution of Earth's Atmosphere" Science 296:1066 Pepin, R. O. 1997 Evolution of Earth's Noble Gases: Consequences of Assuming Hydrodynamic Loss Driven by Giant Impact Icarus 126, 148-156 (1997). There are a few others, but anyone reading those above will get the basics. The result is that there was a reducing atmosphere, and ocean system with highly reducing oases. A recent paper Rosing, Minik T. and Robert Frei 2003 U-rich Archaean sea-floor sediments from Greenland – indications of >3700 Ma oxygenic photosynthesis" Earth and Planetary Science Letters, online 6 December 03 presents data that suggest there were very early oxygenic life forms in marine basins that most likely (to me anyway) were wiped out. So, with a reduced atmosphere and ocean system, a shallow, hot crust and a UV rich, "cold" sun, we can ask the next question which is, 2) What was the source for "organic" molecules? The classic paper was of course Stanley Miller's 1953 paper Miller, Stanley L., 1953 “A Production of Amino Acids Under Possible Primitive Earth Conditions�? Science vol. 117:528-529 With a bit more information included in: Miller, Stanley, Harold C. Urey 1959 “Organic Compound Synthesis on the Primitive Earth�? Science vol 139 Num 3370: 254-251 Miller showed that a very simple set up that mimicked some key asspects of the early Earth could rapidly produce amino acids, among other things. This result has been one of the most often repeated (and confirmed) experiments I have ever encountered. In spite of this, creationists regularly claim that it is invalid. Jonathan Wells, a fellow of the creationist "Discovery Institute" claims to have refuted the Miller/Urey experiment (and all of what he called Darwinist "icons." But, the atmosphere is not the only synthesis location. For example Amend, J. P. , E. L. Shock 1998 “Energetics of Amino Acid Synthesis in Hydrothermal Ecosystems�? Science Volume 281, number 5383, Issue of 11 Sep , pp. 1659-1662. Blank, J.G. Gregory H. Miller, Michael J. Ahrens, Randall E. Winans 2001 “Experimental shock chemistry of aqueous amino acid solutions and the cometary delivery of prebiotic compounds�? Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere 31(1-2):15-51, Feb-Apr Chyba, Christopher F., Paul J. Thomas, Leigh Brookshaw, Carl Sagan 1990 "Cometary Delivery of Organic Molecules to the Early Earth" Science Vol. 249:366-373 Engel, Michael H., Bartholomew Nagy, 1982 "Distribution and Enantiomeric Composition of Amino Acids in the Murchison Meteorite", Nature , 296, April 29, , p. 838. Matthews CN. 1992 Hydrogen cyanide polymerization: a preferred cosmochemical pathway. J. Br. Interplanet Soc. 45(1):43-8 Schoonen, Martin A. A., Yong Xu 2001 “Nitrogen Reduction Under Hydrothrmal Vent Conditions: Implications for the Prebiotic Synthesis of C-H-O-N Compounds�? Astrobiology 1:133-142 So amino acids are easy and plentiful on a pre-life (abiotic) Earth. But, we need more than just amino acids- sugars, nucleic acids, and lipids are also needed. I'll take those next. Let's see.. I guess this is 2a) amino acids 2.b) sugars Why do we need sugars? Well, the biggest reason is that without five carbon sugar our building life form can't make a "memory" like RNA or DNA. I'll get to the details later. First, where are the sugars? Weber AL. 1997 Prebiotic amino acid thioester synthesis: thiol-dependent amino acid synthesis from formose substrates (formaldehyde and glycolaldehyde) and ammonia. Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere 28: 259-270. {I know the title says "amino acid" but sugar is in there. Hint: formose is a kind of sugar. } Cooper, George, Novelle Kimmich, Warren Belisle, Josh Sarinana, Katrina Brabham, Laurence Garrel 2001 Carbonaceous meteorites as a source of sugar-related organic compounds for the early Earth Nature 414, 879 - 883 (20 Dec 2001) Letters to Nature Cody, George D., Nabil Z. Boctor, Timothy R. Filley, Robert M. Hazen, James H. Scott, Anurag Sharma, Hatten S. Yoder Jr. 2000 “Primordial Carbonylated Iron-Sulfur Compounds and the Synthesis of Pyruvate" Science v.289 : 1337-1340 Sephton, Mark A. 2001 Meteoritics: Life's sweet beginnings? Nature 414, 857 - 858 (20 Dec ) News and Views Ricardo, A., Carrigan, M. A., Olcott, A. N., Benner, S. A. 2004 "Borate Minerals Stabilize Ribose" Science January 9; 303: 196 (in Brevia) Stanley Miller, and collegues suggested an earlier substitute for sugar in : Lazcano, Antonio, Stanley L. Miller 1996 “The Origin and Early Evolution of Life: Prebiotic Chemistry, the Pre-RNA World, and Time�? Cell vol 85:793-798 Nelson, K. E., M. Levy, S. L. Miller 2000 “Peptide nucleic acids rather than RNA may have been the first genetic molecule" PNAS-USA v.97, 3868-3871 There are many more articles, but the bottom line reads "We got sugar." OK, I'll do nucleic acid bases next. There aren't many that are used on Earth, just five. There are a large number of creationist's books and web sites that claim there is some huge stability problem with nucleic acid base synthesis. This is a nice demonstration of how creationists copy eachother, since there are only a handfull of creationists with the education to even understand what this means. None that I know of have actually done research in the directly relevant area. Their claims generally can be traced back to a legit scientist, Robert Shapiro. Two of his representitive publications are: Shapiro, Robert 1986 "Origins: A Skeptics Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth" New York: Summit Books Shapiro, Robert 1999 Prebiotic Cytosine Synthesis: A Critical Analysis and Implications for the Origin of Life. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science 96 (8): 4396 *Side reactions make cytosine synthesis unlikely, but see Nelson et al (2001) The 1986 book is very out of date, and very popular with creationists. The 1999 Shapiro paper has also been answered. Levy and Miller raise a question of their own in: Levy, M and Miller, S.L., 1998 The stability of the RNA bases: Implications for the origin of life, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 95(14):7933–38, But, like superior scientists, they answer the questions they raise. The following are a selections of research articles that address the pre-biotic origin of nucleic acid bases: Fuller, W. D., Sanchez, R. A. & Orgel, L. E. Studies in prebiotic synthesis. VI. Synthesis of purine nucleosides. J. Mol. Biol. 67, 25-33 (1972). Robertson, MP, Miller SL. 1995 An efficient prebiotic synthesis of cytosine and uracil. Nature 375, 772 - 774 () Nelson K.E., Robertson M.P., Levy M, Miller S.L. 2001 Concentration by evaporation and the prebiotic synthesis of cytosine. Orig Life Evol Biosph Jun;31(3):221-229 For our fans following along at home, there are aspects of nucleoside synthesis in the earlier referenced papers as well. So, we got plenty of nucleic acid bases. 2c) lipids. Lipids are the stuff of membranes, they are what keeps inside in, and outside out. Today they are made by simple cells and moved up the food chain. So where did they come from 3.7 billion years (or so) ago? One major source seems to be from meteors. Deamer, D. W. 1985. Boundary structures are formed by organic components of the Murchison carbonaceous chondrite. Nature 317:792-794. Deamer, D. W., and Pashley, R. M. 1989. Amphiphilic components of carbonaceous meteorites. Orig. Life Evol. Biosphere 19:21-33. Krishnamurthy, R., Pitsch, S. & Arrhenius, G. 1999 Mineral induced formation of pentose-2,4-bisphosphates. Origins Life Evol. Biosph. 29, 139-152 (). Dworkin, Jason P., David W. Deamer, Scott A. Sandford, and Louis J. Allamandola 2001 “Self-assembling amphiphilic molecules: Synthesis in simulated interstellar/precometary ices�? PNAS 98: 815-819 Pizzarello, Sandra, Yongsong Huang, Luann Becker, Robert J. Poreda, Ronald A. Nieman, George Cooper, Michael Williams 2001 “The Organic Content of the Tagish Lake Meteorite�? Science, Vol. 293, Issue 5538, 2236-2239, September 21, 2001 Segre' D., Ben-Eli D. Deamer D. and Lancet D. 2001 “The Lipid World�? Origins Life Evol. Biosphere 31, 119-145. So now that we got 'em, what do they do once they are on Earth? They make things. Martin M. Hanczyc, Shelly M. Fujikawa, and Jack W. Szostak 2003 Experimental Models of Primitive Cellular Compartments: Encapsulation, Growth, and Division Science October 24; 302: 618-622. (in Reports) D.W. Deamer 1997 "The First Living Systems - A Bioenergetic Perspective", ; Microbiology and Molecular Biology Reviews, 61(2): 239; June Chakrabarti, A.C., R.R. Breaker, G.F. Joyce, & D.W. Deamer 1994 Production of RNA by a Polymerase Protein Encapsulated within Phospho-Lipid Vesicles Journal of Molecular Evolution 39(6): 555-559 ( December) Khvorova A, Kwak YG, Tamkun M, Majerfeld I, Yarus M. 1999. RNAs that bind and change the permeability of phospholipid membranes. Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences USA 96:10649-10654. Yarus M. 1999. Boundaries for an RNA world. Current Opinion in Chemical Biology 3:260-267. Walter P, Keenan R, Scmitz U. 2000. SRP-Where the RNA and membrane worlds meet. Science 287:1212-1213. So far, we have amino acids, riobose and/or other 5 carbon sugar substitutes (pentoses), we have lipid membranes which encapsulate mineral particles and "organic" molecules. This is without any needed "interventions" and is purely the result of ordinary chemistry. But, there are more things that need to happen before there is life on Earth. Point 3) formation of complex systems 3a) Chirility Pastuer discovered that most amino acids came in two forms which can be identified by how they refract light. We label theses L- (for levo or left) adn D- (for dextro, or right). The interesting thing is that life on Earth uses the L form of amino acids, and hardly ever uses the D- form. A solution of just one form is called "chiral" and a mix of forms about 50/50 is called racimic. The kinds (L or D) are called enantomers. The nucleic acid bases I mentioned earlier are also found in L- and D- forms, only in this case life on Earth only uses the D- form. Creationists like to present this as a profound mystery that is supposed to "prove" that they are correct. I want to mention a neat instance where both left and right amino acids are used in a living thing. It is very rare, but it does happen. Next time a creationist claims to be an "expert" and that amino acid chirility "proves" something supernatural, you can gob-smack-em. The protein is called Gramicidin A and it has 8 L-amino acids, 6 D-amino acids, and one glycine which is an amino acid that is neither L- or D- in its structure. I have found that even many biologists will bet an "adult beverage" that all proteins are exclucive L- amino acids. Before we go forward another couple of basic chemical facts need to be added to the discussion. First, L- amino acids will randomly convert to D- amino acids over time, and D- forms will convert to L- forms. This is called "racimization" becuse eventually you will end up with equal amounts of L- and D- amino acids. The rate that this occurs at varies with the amino acid, and its surroundings. The fastest conversion happens to amino acid molecules all by themselves in hot water. Under cold, dry conditions when the amino acids are attatched to one another, or better yet, if they are also attatched to a mineral or metal atom, racimization can be very slow. Very, very slow. This means that if there is even a tiny advantage one way or the other, the favored form will become the dominant form. The advantage comes from a surprising direction: outer space. Cronin, J. R. & Pizzarello, S., 1999. Amino acid enantomer excesses in meteorites: Origin and significance. Advances in Space Research 23(2): 293-299. Service, RF, 1999. Does life's handedness come from within? Science 286: 1282-1283. Antonio Chrysostomou, T. M. Gledhill,1 François Ménard, J. H. Hough, Motohide Tamura and Jeremy Bailey 2000 "Polarimetry of young stellar objects -III. Circular polarimetry of OMC-1" Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society Volume 312 Issue 1 Page 103 - February Michael H. Engel and Bartholomew Nagy, 1982 "Distribution and Enantiomeric Composition of Amino Acids in the Murchison Meteorite", Nature , 296, April 29, , p. 838. Jeremy Bailey, Antonio Chrysostomou, J. H. Hough, T. M. Gledhill, Alan McCall, Stuart Clark, François Ménard, and Motohide Tamura 1998 Circular Polarization in Star- Formation Regions: Implications for Biomolecular Homochirality Science 1998 July 31; 281: 672-674. (in Reports) Chyba, Christopher F. 1997 Origins of life: A left-handed Solar System? Nature 389, 234- 235 (18 Sep 1997) Engel, M. H., S. A. Macko 1997 Isotopic evidence for extraterrestrial non- racemic amino acids in the Murchison meteorite. Nature 389, 265 - 268 (18 Sep) Letters to Nature That should do for that. The next question is can the advantage of L- amino acids be conserved in the formation of more complex molecules called "peptides?" Yep. Schmidt, J. G., Nielsen, P. E. & Orgel, L. E. 1997 Enantiomeric cross-inhibition in the synthesis of oligonucleotides on a nonchiral template. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 119, 1494-1495 Saghatelion A, Yokobayashi Y, Soltani K, Ghadiri MR, 2001"A chiroselective peptide replicator", Nature 409: 797-51, Feb Singleton, D A,& Vo, L K, 2002 “Enantioselective Synthsis without Discrete Optically Active Additives�? J. Am. Chem. Soc. 124, 10010-10011 Yao Shao, Ghosh I, Zutshi R, Chmielewski J. 1998 Selective amplification by auto- and cross-catalysis in a replicating peptide system. Nature. Dec 3;396(6710):447-50. And there seems to be other L- selction advantages as well. For example: Hazen, R.M., T.R. Filley, and G.A. Goodfriend. 2001. Selective adsorption of L- and D-amino acids on calcite: Implications for biochemical homochirality. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 98 (May 8):5487. So chirility doesn't seem to be a big problem. This is far different from the way creationists present this. They cite a few out of date reports and then falsely claim that chiral life is impossible by natural means. But what about the nucleic acid bases? A new paper has just laid out the next step: Ricardo, A., Carrigan, M. A., Olcott, A. N., Benner, S. A. 2004 "Borate Minerals Stabilize Ribose" Science January 9; 303: 196 (in Brevia) Pizzarello, Sandra, Arthur L. Weber 2004 Prebiotic Amino Acids as Asymmetric Catalysts Science Vol 303, Issue 5661: 1151, 20 February 2004 It turns out that the selective advatage of L- amino acids will force the selection of D- nucleic acids, and the whole reaction can proceed under common, natural conditions. Well, we have all the pieces. Our planet was formed from massive collisions of planetoids that had undergone independent evolution and weathering which retained much of their atmospheres to add to the growing planet Earth. We have amino acids, sugars, nucleic acid bases, lipids and minerals under an anoxic to reducing atmosphere and ocean with a thin hot crust and a UV rich cold Sun. Plus, remember that the Moon is closer and orbiting faster producing massive tidal flows compared to modern times. Will these combine to make any thing? Yep, they sure will: Ferris JP, Hill AR Jr, Liu R, and Orgel LE. (1996 May 2). Synthesis of long prebiotic oligomers on mineral surfaces [see comments] Nature, 381, 59-61. Lee DH, Granja JR, Martinez JA, Severin K, Ghadri MR. 1996 “A self-replicating peptide." Nature Aug 8;382(6591):525-8 A.C. Chakrabarti, R.R. Breaker, G.F. Joyce, & D.W. Deamer 1994 Production of RNA by a Polymerase Protein Encapsulated within Phospho-Lipid Vesicles Journal of Molecular Evolution 39(6): 555-559 (1994 December) Smith, J.V. Biochemical evolution. I. Polymerization on internal, organophilic silica surfaces of dealuminated zeolites and feldspars Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 95(7): 3370-3375; March 31, 1998 Smith, J.V., Arnold, F.P., Parsons, I., Lee, M.R. Biochemical evolution III: Polymerization on organophilic silica-rich surfaces, crystal-hemical modeling, formation of first cells, and geological clues Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 96(7): 3479-3485; March 30, 1999 Blochl, Elisabeth, Martin Keller, Gunter Wächtershäuser , Karl Otto Stetter 1992 “Reactions depending on iron sulfide and linking geochemistry with biochemistry" PNAS-USA v.89: 8117-8120 Dyall, Sabrina D., Patricia J. Johnson 2000 “Origins of hydrogenosomes and mitochondria: evolution and organelle biogensis." Current Opinion in Microbiology 3:404-411 Huber, Claudia, Gunter Wächtershäuser 1998 “Peptides by Activation of Amino Acids with CO on (Ni,Fe)S Surfaces: Implications for the Origin of Life�? Science v.281: 670-672 Imai, E., Honda, H., Hatori, K., Brack, A. and Matsuno, K. 1999 “Elongation of oligopeptides in a simulated submarine hydrothermal system“ Science 283(5403):831–833. Lee DH, Severin K, Yokobayashi Y, and Ghadiri MR, 1997 Emergence of symbiosis in peptide self- replication through a hypercyclic network. Nature, 390: 591-4 Someone asked why I posted so many references. There are several reasons. First, that is how science is done, we build on the work of others. Second, when we use referenced data to make a point clear we state the source of our information up front. Anyone can read these papers. If they want, they can argue that I have misread the article, or that the article itself has been refuted by more up-to-date information. Third, a common creationist claim is that there is no valid research on the origin of life, or that the research done is inconclucive. The references I have cited are evidence that these claims are false. Fourth, except for some historical references, my sources are mostly less than 10 years old. This is in direct contrast to the selective use by creationist writers such as Jon Sarfati, or Jon Wells, who use a few out of date and refuted articles to puff up their nonsense. So, there you have it. |
| Date: 2007/01/11 17:35:14, Link 69.3.114.177 |
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| I have found a siggy! |
| Date: 2007/01/12 01:18:38, Link 69.3.135.126 | ||
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D'oh (or however Homer Simpson's standard line is written) You are correct- my bad. |
| Date: 2007/01/12 17:27:06, Link 66.167.104.119 |
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| JAD reappeared at TWeb shortly after being banned at Marks blog. |
| Date: 2007/01/14 01:13:35, Link 69.3.208.143 |
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I am nearly done writing up a lit review I plan to use as a gradstudent proposal at Scripps. Miller and Orgel are still there, and there is even something that could interest Bada. That would be a committee. Failing that, I'll see if I can interest Deamer. Scripps is only an hours drive from my home, so that would be much better practically speaking. At 56 YoA, I will not be dashing off to live in student housing. Staying in the UC system might help me avoid some of the noxious BS of grad work as that is where I did my anthropology PhD. I want to avoid the graduate teaching requirement for example. I taught in universites and colleges of about 25 years. I would like to skip the language exam, BTDT. I believe that there is still a publication alternative to a dissertation which would save time. When I earned my degree in 1976 I was able to get out in 7 quarters. Saves money and saves time. If nothing else, I'll have a nice article with some apparently over looked biochem. Most all the chemistry I have done has been using instrumental neutron activation analysis to study archaeological "stuff," clay, and pigments, the odd leaf or rock. Well, lots of rocks. But it was nearly 30 years since I seriously thought about organic or biochem. I had a lot of relearning. Gramicidin was my "jumping off point" 3 years ago as well. My basic hypothesis is that the OOL was racemic, and that chirality was a later development. After just more than a years work on this proposal, I have finally decided to stop worrying (I could be wasting my time) and just send the #### thing off. I have run it past two colleagues who are better chemists than I am, so I have some assurance that I have not merely lost my mind. (Other than the question of whether it is entirely sane to return to school when I am quite happy semiretired). I wish that we had the equivalent of the "prepublication" websites that the physicists use to such good effect. I am really looking forward to feedback, and yes, I would like to establish priority. |
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Think of waves crashing up aginst rocky coast. Trillions of bubbles every few seconds. With higher tides on a fairly fast cycle, you generate astronomical numbers of "trials" every day. Every high tide leaves billions of trillions of oily bubbles exposed on the shore to dry out and also be soaked in UV light. The products are recovered for further reactions on the next tide. I have never been impressed with the so-called "cosmic upper bound" What is the number Dembski likes to spout? 10^150?? This is supposed to represent the number of states that universe could possibly have given the number of particles in the universe and their possible states. Piffle, piffle. Lets say 10^15 bubbles per kilometer of shoreline (very modest), recycled/repeated 10^4 times every day for maybe 50 million years. The notion of how long is a shoreline is difficult, but let's pull a number out of the air; 10^6 kilometers (very modest). We are well on the way without adding rivers, waterfalls, storms, wind caps, oceanic waves, under water thermal vents, geysers etc... I think that every single bubble is a "trial." Now repeat for a hundred billion galaxies with a hundred billion stars, for say ten billion years, just to bring us up to bat, and we have nearly 50/50 odds. (unless it is very late at night and I can't add). I doubt that every star has planets of that every planet could support life. There are also good reasons we need to wait until there are metal rich star systems. So even shedding a few orders of magnitude here and there, the odds are far from grim and we can top Borel's number of 10^50 cited by Dembski. Earlier I was asked if I were a pessimist about abiogenesis, and obviously I am not. I am doubtful that we will be able to demonstrate that a "particular" pathway to life was inevitable, unique in the universe, or the particular one followed here on earth. I know it happened, we are here aren't we? |
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open this in a new window http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?....rl=http |
| Date: 2007/01/15 19:41:35, Link 69.3.210.125 |
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| It has been a long long time. I am trying to convince myself that it is a dumb idea. |
| Date: 2007/01/16 08:28:03, Link 69.3.211.116 |
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Louis, that is a great pep talk. Wesley's wide ranging career is also inspiring. The post-doc idea is good, the proposal then is either funded, or I get to go fishing.  I only had one friend with 2 PhDs. His first was in math and he said he needed the second in ICS to "remove the stain" of the first. |
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I really laughed out loud. "Cheesy Poofs!" I have this mental image of the "Queer Eye" boys running around D'Tard with spray cans of cheesy wiz. Naked! |
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The problem is that IDC is not dead as a political/social movement any more than YEC is dead. The the antipublic education rightwingers like the Cato Institute conservatives and creationists are solidly behind homeschool and voucher movements which are growing in the USA. We need to take the fight down to the face-to-face public arena. For example, this Saturday I am doing a presentation on IDC and Why Intelligent Design Fails at a local Borders Books. The store has ordered 25 extra copies, and if the first one goes well, they have 20 other stores for me to go in southern California to over the next few months. Since I don't get any royalty from WIDF my goal is not money. It is going to cost me money. It is not because I like Rutgers University Press. In fact the Rutgers UP promotions people are morons! They sent me 25 direct mailorder fliers to hand out at the talk. What jerkwads! I am not going to pass out mailorder forms undercutting a retail store that is my host! So what is the point?- we need to take this "to the people." When I listen to Steve Meyer I shudder. Not at what he is saying, but at how well he says it. |
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What? He was going to roll it up and swat you with it? |
| Date: 2007/01/16 20:21:41, Link 69.3.211.116 |
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Sorry, I don't read his posts much, and even at your request I don't intend to read them. I have been in the same head place as you are in (and worse). Get some sleep, eat a good meal, avoid the internet for a week and see what you think. |
| Date: 2007/01/17 16:44:25, Link 69.3.119.65 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I think I am able to understand them much better now!  AWWW. It was such a good image. You all will just have to follow the link, and look for the "tinfoil" (aluminium foil) cap! |
| Date: 2007/01/20 22:14:02, Link 69.3.119.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I just got back from giving a talk about intelligent design creationism at a local Borders Book store. The talk was fairly well advertised and the idea was to do some pro-science PR and to sell a few books. I was presenting as a contributing author to Matt Young, Taner Edis (Editors), 2004 Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism Rutgers University Press, but I also promoted other anti-IDC books, for example Barbara Carroll Forrest, Paul R. Gross 2004 Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design Oxford University Press. I had about 20 people show: 15 sat and stayed the whole hour, and 6 would stand in the back for 5 minutes or so and the wander off, and then return for another 5 or 10 minutes. I was mostly "preaching to the choir" as far as the questions went even though I had sent emails to some of the local IDC and other creationist qroups. I mainly focused on a short history of science v. religion, starting with the Bible. It is a very effective visual to hold the few pages of Genesis 1 - 12, the creation through the end of the Noah myth (it is about 5 printed pages in most Bibles) and point out that creationists insist that if these 3 pieces of paper are removed, or merely not interpreted in an absurd manner, then the entire remaining 600 to 700 printed pages are meaningless. Then I read the observations of Thomas Aquinas, c.a. 1225 - 1274, and the Christian father, Augustine of Hippo (A.D. 354-430) about the proper relation of science and religion. I jam through Luther and Calvin, bounce on Ussher, Hume, and Paley and then shift over to the USA in the early to middle1800s: the Millerites and then Ellen G. White. With the Seventh-day Adventests lined up, I then mentioned Darwin for the first time in the talk. Why were the Adventists more worried about geology than biology? Back to the 1700s for a brief review of canal and road construction and the end of "Deluvianism." Return to Ellen White and her "trances" recounted in her 1868 book that fixed the Adventist dogma of young earth, and flood geology. Next George McCready Price and Adventist geology up until Whitcomb, John C., Henry M. Morris 1961 The Genesis Flood Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, which basically created "scientific creationism." Law suits banning teaching creationism in public schools leads to a massive (and botched) rewrite of "Creation Biology" ultimately published as "Of Pandas and People." This was the real birth of creationism a la Intelligent Design Creationism. Mention Johnson, Behe, and Dembski. Promoted "Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design" and "Why Intelligent Design Fails." Read parts of the Dover transcript (the last of Behe's cross-examination Day 12 which featured my chapter in WIDF) and part of Judge Jones's decision that mentioned that part of Behe's crossX. Signed about 10 books, went home. It was fun. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 13:17:25, Link 66.167.104.238 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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My reason for posting was to point out that we can all do a lot more than post internet items. I do think that the internet is a valid and important communication tool. But, face-to-face in a public setting is something that the creationists have excelled at for too long. Book stores are absolute natural places to give talks. The entire evo/creato conflict is in books. The visual impact of holding up a Bible by the three pages that hold Genesis 1-11 and asking the audience "Why do creationists insist on throwing away the rest of this book if we don't like their literalist interpretation of these three pages?" is great! You can see people's eyes focus on the Bible hanging there and almost hear them thinking "Creationists are idiots!" In addition to the ten copies of WIDF we sold, two people bought copies of Barbara Carroll Forrest, Paul R. Gross 2004 Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design Oxford University Press Book stores are all about selling books. If you give them a list of pro-science books they carry and offer to give a talk on evo/creavo that will sell books, they will set you up. Make a list of the creationist books they sell and mention them as well. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 13:24:58, Link 66.167.104.238 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I had a friend who spent 4 years in Levenworth as a war protester. (This was in the 1950s) He was never the same. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 15:08:07, Link 66.167.104.238 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Richardo, The fire investigation post was great. Thanks. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 16:49:25, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Sorry, but that is utter nonsense. If a single court case even at the Supreme Court could have stopped creationism, we never would have had IDC. Dover no more "killed" creationism than Epperson v. Arkansas (1968), or Edwards v. Aguillard (1987) killed creationism. Total ignorance is reborn with every baby. The only way we can counter total ignorance is by constantly teaching. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 18:13:14, Link 66.167.104.238 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Lenny, there have been many low points in the history of creationism, but to declare "We Win!" is foolish. In my talk the other day I spent nearly the entire time tracing the "evolution" of intelligent design creationism from its 19th century (and 17th century, and 12th century and 5th century) origins. When the ICR is gone, and AiG's 25 million dollar museum is gone, there will still be creationists and they will still try to dominate politically and they will win if we stupidly think "Creationism *IS* dead." |
| Date: 2007/01/21 19:51:52, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Or the New Age twits. Steve Fuller is a good example of anti-science lefty. The "libertarians" are enemies of public education, and had promoted anti-science crap like global warming denial and HIV denial. They are all bad guys in my book. I agree Lenny that the Republican's currently wear the blackest hats. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 20:04:31, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Wowowowow Now yer talkin' We should meet before the talk so that it will be more fun. GH  |
| Date: 2007/01/21 20:51:17, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
All right! I try to push for next month. The regional sales manager is a good guy. He did feel he needed to run this to his national HQ, so I wrote up a mini-proposal with a long list of books that I would mention. Since the first one exceeded expectation we should do at least a few more. He works 22 stores in SoCal, but no way I will go to all of them. I am totally pissed at how cheap Rutgers UniPress is, but I will be happy to drive to Pasadena to meet and drink. Give me the address of the store nearest to where you want to meet. |
| Date: 2007/01/21 23:04:48, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Sorry, not if there is any way I can avoid it.  I have been in Chi 3 times; twice I was briefly in the train station, and I once spent 3 days at a hotel. All three times it was snowing so I did not have a good impression. The "Blues Brothers" was very endearing, so I am sure that there are three or four days a year that Chicago is very pleasent.  Here in Dana Point, California we have so many perfect days that we are happy when there is finally a day too hot (+90), or too cold (below 40) merely because of the welcomed contrast with perfection.If you come to Dana Point AKA "Eden" I am in the phone book, and only three blocks from the harbor. PS: I forgot to mention that we are rooting for Chicago in the superbowl. That must count for something? PPS: I had three professors that came out of the University of Chicago. One had also done time Joliet penitentiary before his graduate work. Well, that is where he graduated from high school too. His second "visit" was when he started college. My other prof with a UniChi doctorate had just finished 4 years at Levenworth federal pen. So on that basis I am all for Chicago. |
| Date: 2007/01/22 01:46:58, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Good here. The more the merrier Would that count as a literary three-way? |
| Date: 2007/01/22 02:00:07, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Anti-science loonies think that vaccinations are mind control plots and that they cause autisim and other various ills. Jerkwad African creationists of the Islamic delusion have promoted the spread of polio by forbiding vaccination because it was a "Christian/Jewish/USA attempt to sterilize Muslims." I only wish the Muslim clerics would die before the children they have doomed. |
| Date: 2007/01/22 02:18:14, Link 66.167.104.238 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Lenny does not like to admit that Kent Hovind has (even in jail) a huge following. Ken Ham stole the foundation of Answers in Genesis out from under the other jerks, and controls a multi-million dollar foundation to promote YEC. The Discovery Institute will not lose money because of Dover.
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| Date: 2007/01/22 03:34:25, Link 66.167.104.238 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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My intent with this thread was to encourage people to get off the stinking internet mutualmasturbationboards and go present evo/creato out in the face-to-face world. It is easy, and it is fun! And, in spite of Lenny or Steve, it is needed. This is a very good time to hit the road; there have been some good electoral victories, and some good courtroom victories. By announcing and pronouncing, we set up the next time we need to pull ourseves together. There will be a "next time" and it would be a real shame if we pissed off the opening we have by self congratulations, and "ID is dead" bull shit. They won't just go away. |
| Date: 2007/01/22 13:18:09, Link 69.3.134.119 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Check back in June. |
| Date: 2007/01/23 19:34:10, Link 69.3.183.124 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That sounds to me like illegal discrimination. You could own the SOBs. |
| Date: 2007/01/23 19:38:15, Link 69.3.183.124 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Cool. I'll see when we can schedule a talk. |
| Date: 2007/01/24 14:34:21, Link 66.167.7.65 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
From the OE link from here, comes this classic mindphuc
Oh my, oh my.... |
| Date: 2007/01/24 14:40:04, Link 66.167.7.65 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
It depends on how long your tongue is. |
| Date: 2007/01/24 14:48:40, Link 66.167.7.65 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| It is hard to find good word salad since the invention of modern antipsychotic meds. I had dinner back in 1978 with a group of anthropologists and psychiartists (and one fellow who was both) and a linguist who had been studying word salad complained that her data sources were all getting "better." |
| Date: 2007/01/26 01:33:06, Link 69.3.119.216 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
My first and probably last ever post to UD.
(I always make the same spelling error of "Intellignet" but only regarding "intelligent design." It must be deeply Freudian). |
| Date: 2007/01/26 23:40:51, Link 66.167.7.41 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I have been expecting Bioloa to finally emerge as the natural home of IDC for some years. JP Moreland has been a more significant IDC leader than most. |
| Date: 2007/01/27 15:24:07, Link 69.3.212.171 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I spend about $400US on journals. That includes discounts on Science and Nature, and then 3 or 4 anthro/archaeo rags. Two of the anthro journals are part of professional societies, as is Science. I renew the anthro journals when/if I feel like going to the society annual meeting. These are tax deductions, so I recover about 40%. I spend between 1 and 2 thousand on books- also a tax deduction. The books are depreciated, so the amount of cost recovered varies a bit. I go over to the Uni library about once a month. Mileage, parking, and copy fees add to maybe $20 or $30. The annual cost is probably under $200 and is deductable. When I was on a journal board we charged a publication fee of $150/page to authors who were not members of the academy. However, authors who claimed financial hardship (ie no grant money) were not held to the fees. (I was comp'ed membership for serving on the board and editing their newsletter so I don't recall the membership dues). I would not know if this is typical or not. When I was a prof, I still subscribed to most the same journals I read today, either because I went to their professional meetings, or I wanted copies of articles that I could write all over. I would also have undergrad workers that I sent to make copies of articles that looked interesting from medline searches etc. |
| Date: 2007/01/30 15:21:42, Link 69.3.114.114 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Err, I think that is End and Thigh. |
| Date: 2007/01/30 19:17:46, Link 69.3.183.50 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Did Sal fall through a timewarp? I don't see anything new. Opps, it was Richard who fell in the timewarp. (And pulled a few of us down with him). :D |
| Date: 2007/01/31 22:55:11, Link 69.3.115.179 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Is this a fruiting body? D'Tard hates fruiting bodys. |
| Date: 2007/02/01 21:55:17, Link 66.167.7.231 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Man, if I saw Lenny in a mirror sneaking up behind me, I would scream! Especially if he had on his chainmail and had a big axe. :O |
| Date: 2007/02/03 14:21:24, Link 69.3.63.85 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
LOL, really. |
| Date: 2007/02/03 14:54:47, Link 69.3.63.85 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
BTW: 1984 "Manifestations of Possession in Novel Ecological Contexts," G. S. Hurd, E. M. Pattison. in Ecological Models in Clinical and Community Mental Health, W.A. O'Connor and B. Lubin (ed.s). John Wiley & Sons: New York. 1985 "Trance and Possession States," E. M. Pattison, Joel Kahan, G. Hurd. In Handbook of Altered States of Consciousness. B. B. Walman and M. Ullman (ed.s) New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold. 1985 "Superstition," G. S. Hurd. In Baker's Encyclopedia of Psychology. David Brenner (ed.) Baker Book House, Grand Rapids. |
| Date: 2007/02/03 17:47:14, Link 69.3.63.85 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Johnson liked to pull ears. |
| Date: 2007/02/03 18:27:35, Link 69.3.63.85 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I was never a fan of Pat Boone. But it is sad to see him become a total mad man. Boone has become Loonie. |
| Date: 2007/02/12 23:04:25, Link 69.3.212.86 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
[quote=Occam's Toothbrush,Feb. 12 2007,17:55]
Wow, I think that you have replaced my early and weakly stated description of O'Leary as a "pustule" with the nearly soon to be quasi-official "DOLT" or Denyse O'Leary Tardhood. |
| Date: 2007/02/13 16:10:10, Link 66.167.110.36 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I am pretty sure that you are correct. |
| Date: 2007/02/14 14:14:26, Link 69.3.182.164 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
As my wife says, "You will fall asleep sometime." |
| Date: 2007/02/14 20:12:12, Link 69.3.182.164 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| One night years ago over many beers, I and some friends calcualted the thermal expansion of saltwater for 3 degrees c. Applied to the oceans it was about a 10 meter raise all by itself. However, there is about a 450 year mixing time at least for the Pacific, and a few other problems. |
| Date: 2007/02/15 19:55:28, Link 69.3.181.153 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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What I want is the sentencing hearing transcript! The phone calls convinced me that Hovind is actually insane. He wasn't faking, it was not just a con-job, he is utterly insane. :O |
| Date: 2007/02/16 12:19:08, Link 69.3.118.104 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Actually, "Old tards never die, they just fart away in the corner. |
| Date: 2007/02/18 16:52:55, Link 69.3.181.213 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
HEH HEEHEH THANKS! Best laugh I had all day. |
| Date: 2007/02/21 01:30:31, Link 69.3.181.29 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Me: if you are god, does that mean you have all the answers? God: Am I? I don't know whether or not I am god does that mean me have all the answers. I am a chatterbot developed by Myself. Me: So, you are not sure who you are? God: Interesting deduction. You know what you do, when you assume. Me: Then who are you? God: I am the Allmighty, God himself. Me: do you have all the answers? God: No I don't think I have any all the answers. But I do have a collection of gossip. Me: does God have all the answers? God: I don't think we can know God's motives. Me: are you god? God: Well, I am God for Christians at least. Me: does god have all the answers? God: I don't think we can know God's motives. Me: do you have all the answers? God: No I don't think I have any all the answers. But I do have a great botmaster. Me: Why have you failed? God: I think I have failed, but Myself may have reset my memory. Blink, Blink, Blink ..... |
| Date: 2007/02/22 12:56:57, Link 66.167.104.157 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Send him down the river. |
| Date: 2007/03/11 03:21:24, Link 69.3.213.48 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Yeah, sure, what ever. I have seen a gross absence of teachers, scientists, or teachers of science in this thread. Why not shut the fuck up? How about you all sound off on your teacherly and sciency qualifications? I'll start: First teaching 7th and 8th grade (US) science in English and Spanish 1971. Undergraduate Research fellow, 1972 First college teaching, 1974 Graduate Research fellow 1975 Doctorate, 1976 First post-graduate/post-doctoral teaching, 1978 Tenure, Professor of Medicine 1985 (resigned 1985) Professor (archaeology) of the year award, 2000 Board of Trustees award of merit, 2000 You? I have not seen any people with any aparent qualifications arguing any position regarding science education in this thread. This is the problem with science education in America- idiots feel qualified to hold opinions and even public office! Stop wasting those poor little electrons. |
| Date: 2007/03/12 23:53:31, Link 69.3.114.85 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
How much does D.O. usually charge? Can't be much. I doubt that Billy could give it away. |
| Date: 2007/03/22 01:22:22, Link 69.3.118.101 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
It could be called the "Wedgie" :O |
| Date: 2007/03/26 21:46:52, Link 69.3.208.148 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I won't count ID out until there has been an appeal to a higher court. This means a second trial at a minimum. It would be a good idea to let some jerkwater school board in California to go ahead and vote to teach ID. There have been two recent instances, but both were quashed before anything real could happen. |
| Date: 2007/03/26 22:25:37, Link 69.3.208.148 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Sorry I missed the B-day. Happy birthday anyway. :D |
| Date: 2007/03/29 12:12:42, Link 66.167.110.11 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
This new "reconstruction" is a dentistry conference POSTER, and is not based on work with the actual fossil as far as I can tell. |
| Date: 2007/04/01 21:44:50, Link 69.3.213.235 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I was totally taken in. I reconed that the DI was trying to bail out the stupidity of their YEC supporters. PZ's apparent outrage was very convincing. Remind me to never be too trusting again. |
| Date: 2007/04/02 12:10:12, Link 69.3.213.209 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I think the item is public, but here is the relevant section:
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| Date: 2007/04/03 21:55:17, Link 66.167.104.175 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
That's a new one for me and a dang gudin. Thanks! |
| Date: 2007/04/09 18:52:48, Link 69.3.117.151 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
68= (I'll owe you one) |
| Date: 2007/04/12 16:20:31, Link 69.3.213.63 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Holy Dino Crap! That is as bad as the average creationist! |
| Date: 2007/04/12 18:18:02, Link 69.3.213.63 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Good letter! |
| Date: 2007/04/13 17:40:42, Link 69.3.208.229 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Can I have mine alamode? |
| Date: 2007/04/18 12:43:14, Link 69.3.183.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The authors of this letter have made two serious errors regarding intelligent design creationism. The first is the claim, "ID starts with the science, not with any religious basis." William Dembski, in his 1999 Touchstone article “Signs of Intelligence,” confirmed ID's religious foundation assuring readers, "Indeed, intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John’s Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." Later (March 7, 2004) he stated that, “Ultimately I want to see God get the credit for what he’s done — and he’s not getting it.” IDC intellectual Jonathan Wells admitted that he was directed to study biology by, "... Father's (self-proclaimed Messiah, Rev. Sun Moon) words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, ..." Then he studied biology! The godfather of IDC, lawyer Phillip Johnson following his late life conversion experience decided to reject science. Michael Behe has admitted that his creationism, and promotion of IDC follows his religious beliefs. While under oath in the Dover PA Federal Court creationism trial, Behe admitted that unlike evolution, there is no scientific research supporting ID. ID's religious foundation in creationism is fully exposed in Barbara Carroll Forrest, and Paul R. Gross (2004) "Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design" Oxford University Press. The next significant error was their claim, "Intelligent Design, like any scientific theory, uses the scientific method (observation, hypothesis, experiment, and conclusion)." Again Dr. William Dembski clearly states the IDC position; "ID is not a mechanistic theory, and it’s not ID’s task to match your (science gh) pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If ID is correct and an intelligence is responsible and indispensable for certain structures, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots. (ISCID, 2002)" In the 2005 Dover Pa. "Pandas" trial (Kitzmiller v. Dover) intelligent design creationist Michael Behe was forced to admit under oath that under any definition of science that would include IDC would also include astrology. These are not all the errors made by Levy and Smith, but I'll leave some meat on the bone for others to chew. Gary Hurd |
| Date: 2007/04/18 13:33:47, Link 69.3.183.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| The SMU student paper ran an anti-ID editorial today |
| Date: 2007/04/18 18:39:48, Link 69.3.183.86 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Just a note re: Ebonics There are two seperate issues, one liguistic, the other political. The political issue in Oakland was Blacks were pissed-off that Hispanic dominant schools and school districts got lots of extra money to teach bilingual classes. They (the Oakland folks) didn't care why, they merely wanted a piece of the action. So, screw the Hispanic kids and pretend that you needed "bilingual" classes in "Black English/Ebonics." |
| Date: 2007/04/22 13:45:16, Link 69.3.211.205 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Kids are not stupid. OE was promoted as a creatokid hangout, but the posts were dominated by old farts. |
| Date: 2007/04/22 16:51:31, Link 69.3.211.205 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Naw, O'Leary is still top'o'the'list. |
| Date: 2007/04/24 23:12:21, Link 69.3.118.152 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Wow, that was weak even for a YEC. |
| Date: 2007/04/24 23:17:19, Link 69.3.118.152 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have been wondering if Eric might be vulnerable. He is on taped telephone calls planning how to hide assets. Thoughts? |
| Date: 2007/04/24 23:26:27, Link 69.3.118.152 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
The ALA was having a conference in Boston. A visiting linguist was told that he should go to the harbor area to try a fish delicacy, New England scrod. He took a cab from the hotel and asked the cabbie, "Can you take me to where I can get scrod?" The cabbie, who happened to be an English major, replied, "I have never heard that particular conjugation used in conversation, but there are hookers all over town." |
| Date: 2007/04/25 15:46:51, Link 69.3.211.165 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
YECreationists do take quite a strong position on the origin of the "lesser light" err.. moon. ID creatos do as well, since it was created to make "perfect solar eclipses" acording to the anthropic wing of the cult. |
| Date: 2007/04/25 16:47:31, Link 69.3.211.165 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Their newest user is "SuperSport" Sporty is a foam at the mouth YEC from Texas. He nearly finished an AA degree in real estate, and pontificates all over the internet tubes. Oh! This has potential for world class tard! |
| Date: 2007/04/25 19:02:23, Link 69.3.211.165 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The 50 or so charges stayed clear of criminal conspiracy which might reflect the attitude of the US attorney's office (or whoever investigated). There was not much question about what was going on in those tapes that were posted as part of the sentencing hearing evidence. They had squirrled away an RV, and some other odds and ends. Actually the tapes were pathetic in the classic definition. Jo Hovind was worried about what was going to happen to her and her family and their marriage- Kent was demanding that the Bible was on his side, that he was a very powerful man, and everyone had better bend to his will. Sick sick man. |
| Date: 2007/04/25 19:48:02, Link 69.3.211.165 | ||||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||||
We can only hope. ETA: Here is a quote from superspurt fresh today:
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| Date: 2007/04/26 11:13:16, Link 66.167.110.138 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Re: DaveTard's photo- his idea of "boondocks" looks like medium density suburbia, I see no gate or fences. If the neighbors heard gunshots they certainly would call the cops to come take DT away again. Of course, if DT is a true paranoid, the photo was taken at an unrelated location, the dogs and truck aren't his, and that isn't Dave. |
| Date: 2007/04/26 16:09:41, Link 66.167.110.138 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I think that DT's stomach is sucked in as far has it can be for the photo. PS: I like fat jokes about Ed Brayton |
| Date: 2007/04/27 14:23:02, Link 69.3.119.47 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
In our area, Great Horned Owls munch on domestic cats. I advised the manager of a wildlife reserve on how to prevent cats from a new housing development from killing endagered birds and such that she had on the reserve; a few months before the houses went on sale, we put out cat food along the boarder wall between the reserve and the new houses. The coyotes became very fond of patroling the wall. :D |
| Date: 2007/04/27 14:30:37, Link 69.3.119.47 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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We had a DEA guy visit our lab around 1974. He looked into a chem safe and almost beshat himself. He choked, "Do you know what you could make with that stuff?" Sure we replied, we're chemists! |
| Date: 2007/04/29 19:19:55, Link 69.3.135.30 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Two items; "word salad" is a semi-technical term regarding the verbal behavior of unmedicated schitzophrenics suffering from severe loose assocaition. The notion I just had was that the creationists can not grasp that in the early 1900s "darwinism" was challenged by genetics. Evolution and genetics were seen at the time as seperate, antagonistic theories. Genetics, agricultural breeding, and the germ theory of disease were the scientific supports for eugenics. Darwin's own letters to Galton were loaded with reservations. |
| Date: 2007/04/29 22:11:46, Link 69.3.115.61 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
It should be remembered by all here at least, that Panda's Thumb contributers Ed Brayton, and Timothy Sandefur are rabid opponents of environmental protection or any form of government regualtion of mining, logging etc... They call it "Libretarianism" and they are strong supporters of the The Cato Institute which is the source of George II's environmental attacks. The Cato Institute is also a major opponent of all forms of public education. Sandefur is a fellow of the Pacific Legal Foundation, which is best known for attempting to overturn protections granted under the EPA and particularly the Endangered Species Act to all species threatened by forest clear-cutting in the Pacific Northwest. The Pacific Legal Foundation was also very proud of their recent successful efforts to segregate schools in southern California. Sandefur's personal specialty, IIRC, is to eliminate worker protection laws. This is a major reason I dropped out of PT- any operation supporting science education should never tolerate people opposed to science and education. |
| Date: 2007/04/30 17:50:14, Link 69.3.115.33 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Holy murder! I rarely ever click on the links to UD, or OE you folks provide. I am merely greatful that you take the work that I would rather avoid. But, in the example of Borne's hate rant I felt I should share the mind pollution as if it would somehow be deluted. We must stop these pigs. (My appologies to all non-human pigs). |
| Date: 2007/05/01 00:20:30, Link 69.3.115.33 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Yeah, they are "nuts." No "maybe" or "they are sortofonourside" about it. They are enemies of public education and the environment, and every civil right you or I thought we had. OH! they like greed. Greed is good. Small groups can organize to steal from everybody else, or kill them. So long as the motivation is greed. Greed is OK. Killing is OK if there is a profit (and you wont be charged with anything). It is only bad if a majority of people think that these stinking thieves should be stopped. That is bad. That is "anticompetitive." |
| Date: 2007/05/02 17:46:21, Link 66.167.110.164 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
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| Date: 2007/05/11 20:54:41, Link 69.3.119.30 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Did any here ever read a group blog called Panda's Thumb? It started out with the idea (which apparently I had) that with all these smart people hanging around planning to create a website (TalkDesign) we could start a blog. PT did boom for a while, unfortunately at the cost of the TalkDesign project. PT was arguably the better means to communicate the bogousity of IDC than another static website ala TalkOrigins which we had patterned the TalkDesign project on. About the time I was going to suggest adding links and advertising, the Mirecki attack blew up, and there were several PT posters that were seduced by the $$ tit offered by Seed Magazine. What have we learned? |
| Date: 2007/05/14 21:33:37, Link 66.167.105.123 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
The winning argument with my tenure commitee with the Medical College of Georgia was that I had consitantly brought in more money from grants and contracts than the bastards paid me. However, that same fact did not even produce a raise at another college and I quit the at very same meeting. |
| Date: 2007/05/14 21:41:47, Link 66.167.105.123 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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A friend of mine was turned down for tenure when the department had no money for any promotions. But, they handled it by "alowing" him to withdraw from review. 2 years later with a better $$ picture, he was alowed to "resume" the process. He 1) had not raised a fuss, 2) had received other offers, and was given tenure. When I was confronted with tenure- I quit. I could not stand the idea of staying in Georgia anymore. I could not stand dealing with medical students anymore. I was even tired of crazy sick people (by far the better part of the deal). |
| Date: 2007/05/14 21:44:20, Link 66.167.105.123 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
What could Brayton ever know about tenure? He is not eligable, never considered, and never will be. Gack gack ptuie. Heddle did have a sensible comment. I was rejected for tenure at one college the same year I cleared the same amount of grant $$ as my salary, received the board of trustee's "Commendation for Excellence" and was named "Teacher of the Year." I was told that a single tenured faculty member stopped the application by claiming I "was not very collegal." Translated that means I objected to his habit of giving good grades for blow-jobs. Sure there is a personality aspect. Anybody here work in any large companies? |
| Date: 2007/05/17 11:04:54, Link 66.167.110.201 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Faculty have a proper concern about the reputation of the school and the consequent effect this has on their students. I would be more likely to accept a student from schools without creationists teaching than schools where they do. |
| Date: 2007/05/24 23:49:17, Link 69.3.128.187 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Corn pone biscuits and gravy chicken fried steak Now I'm hungry. Dang. |
| Date: 2007/05/25 00:06:20, Link 69.3.128.187 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have always felt that Miller didn't receive the recognition (and Nobel) he deserved. Sorry, I can't think of any witty comments. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 16:52:24, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Would stealing $40 help? |
| Date: 2007/05/29 21:56:38, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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You have favored one view. I think, but can't tell, that it could be the rear part of a skull of a rather small mammal. (The ruler is in inches)? Could you vary the view? Dorsal, ventral, lateral, proximal, distal: (top, bottom, side, "fore and aft"). |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:14:51, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I am pretty sure that you have rear end of a skull that has separted at the frontal, and has lost the auditory bula. The wing like extentions are not lateral processes of vertebra (notice they have an unfused symphisis surface, so I think they look like the temporal bone where it articulated with the zygomatic. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:17:34, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Yep. The left auditory bula is missing as is the front to the critter. I dug out my Mammalina Osteology. If you could get a shot of the top of the skull from the rear with the squiggly lines (sutures) between the parietal and occipital bones in good focus, there is a 1 in 5 chance of guessing the genus, or family. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:27:17, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
 The photo above is of the back of the skull with the skull upside down. I need on like that, only flipped over rightside up, and from slightly above the medial plane. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:42:50, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Try a little higher, and one about the same. This is fun. I once cleared a homicide over the phone. The poor investigator had a fetal calf's L. paraital and a partial occipital. It looked to the CI like a child's skull. If we had digital photos it would have only taken a few minutes. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:54:02, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That is the bottom of the skull with the "face" pointed up. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 22:55:14, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
You got it. ;) |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:01:50, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| From what I have seen so far, I think this is an immature carnivour. It is soooo easy with teeth. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:09:53, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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sombody whacked that critter with a big knife, or a cleaver??? shoot this from your left with as much detail of the broken edge as possible. Also, feel with your finger for ridges on the broken surface, or a rough edge along the inner portion of the break. ??? Curiouser and curiouser |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:13:17, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Yep, the sagital crest... Not cats, or seals. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:20:43, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Too small, wrong auditory bula |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:28:16, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I only have a few skulls in reach, and I don't feel like going out to the storage shed to any more tonight. I am leaning toward a young cat that was killed with a sharp edged weapon. If there are kirf marks (ridges on the surface of the bone defect) then there is more to learn. (And the weird moves up a notch). I had a case in Tennessee where I got to saw and chop a lot of bones in order to prepare comparitive material for the damaged bones of a young woman. I even was going to smash some goat heads with a baseball bat, but the guy confessed. (He used a bat) |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:29:36, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||||
Those are adults. Foxes have even less, but the occipital condiles don't look right to me. Too big for wessal. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:34:40, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Yep, that what it looked to me too. This is getting interesting. |
| Date: 2007/05/29 23:39:47, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Do you have otters back in NC? I lived in Georgia for a while, and there were (IIRC) river otters in the Savana River. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 00:13:43, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Welcome to my world. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 00:18:24, Link 69.3.134.116 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Nope, temporal bone is all wrong, as is the occipital-parietal suture. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 00:20:54, Link 69.3.134.116 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Racoon is a good possibility. I'll get one out of the shed tomorrow. It is fun when they aren't human. (less interesting, but fun) |
| Date: 2007/05/30 11:36:37, Link 69.3.210.243 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Two observations; a possible reason the "face" was sawn off was to make a taxidermic mount- they wanted the teeth without needing to degreese the skull. Then, the bone of the parietal looks far too thick to be a racoon. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 12:54:10, Link 69.3.210.243 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
That has my head pounding. We apparently must reject psychology as a "soft" science in favor of "hard" sciences like computer software development (we called that "programing" when I was a lad) in order that we can embrace the existance of invisable supernatural forces. When the room stops spinning I may vomit. :O |
| Date: 2007/05/30 13:15:58, Link 69.3.210.243 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I am stumped without have the thing in hand to directly match with my comparative collection. I have racoons, skunks, possum, coyote, weasel, bobcat, and domestic cats and dogs. My interest was their dental works because I used them to match their teeth with marks on human bone. I don't have otters or seals since they are not likely to have chewed on people. (I do have several species of shark but those are not relevant here). |
| Date: 2007/05/30 13:35:40, Link 69.3.210.243 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I am an archaeologist, but about 17 years ago I started working on how bone is modified after death. That evolved into a specailty in forensic thaphonomy. I don't do much anymore. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 18:23:46, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Nope, but I have pissed off a few neighbors by either too much stink, or too many flys. Funny story: I have a neighbor who is a movie director and editor. He mostly does horror flicks. He was doing the screams for a scene in one of his movies, and played differnt versions over and over. Another neighbor freaked- she thought he was killing some woman- and came to get me to make him stop. OOPS |
| Date: 2007/05/30 18:34:22, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
No kids. My wife teaches 4th grade and gets lots of milage by describing the various 'bits and pieces' we have in the fridge. Once she and I were at a meeting, and a presentation was by a forensic specialist. There were quite accurate detailed slides of rape examinations, blood splatter patterns and so on... Some people had to leave rather rapidly. Sher leaned over to me and whispered, "I feel bad that I don't feel bad." I replied, "Well, you have seen worse at home." |
| Date: 2007/05/30 18:36:33, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
A garlic necklace and avoiding UD will fix that right up. :D |
| Date: 2007/05/30 18:47:37, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Well, I had gotten interested in criminal investigations long before, in the 1970s actually. I was involved in several criminal investigations when I taught in psychiatry. I like being "outside" physically and socially. I went to work for a private investigator when I quit teaching medicine in the 1980s. But after a few years I went back to archaeology. Then slowly the archaeology twisted back to homicide investigation in the 1990s. I disapprove of murder. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 19:11:04, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I must have responded to the drinking part. :D |
| Date: 2007/05/30 20:42:19, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I think you got it. I had one within reach of my chair the whole time. But all I have are mule deer and elk. They are considerably larger even under 1 year old. It would also be a female. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 22:58:23, Link 69.3.182.168 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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So, who whacked Bambi's baby sister!!!! |
| Date: 2007/05/30 23:29:45, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Dera dera dera, Most biblical scholarship recognizes that Genesis 1 was a late edition of the creation myth added around 650 BCE, or otherwise around the construction of the second temple in Jerusalem. Further, even conservative biblical scholars accept that Genesis 1 actually runs on to the end of Gen 2:3. The imposition of a seven day creation was a reaction to the Egyptian "discovery" that the seven visible planets each were gods and that each could be assigned to a repeating cycle of days. We use the same names today; Sun, Moon, Mars (Tiwes- tag), Mercury (Woden-tag), Jupiter (AKA Jove, Thor-tag), Venus (Frei-tag), Saturn. The post exilic introduction of the Sabbath merely accommodated the "science" of the era. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 23:46:13, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Goosh, the Holy Cow gives forth the Holy Shit, and it doth pile higher and higher. |
| Date: 2007/05/30 23:53:53, Link 69.3.182.168 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
 Why I learned to play the oud. Do me in 6:8 babay! |
| Date: 2007/05/31 01:03:21, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
You forget the zills. |
| Date: 2007/05/31 01:14:15, Link 69.3.182.168 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That little bastard! You got evidence to nail him? Back to the case at hand, there is no law against shooting an inmature deer (I suppose in NC as well as Cali). Still I wonder why? Was it a better eating pleasure a la veal? Might be. If so why bother to (I think apparent) prepare the carcass for taxidermy? Or perhaps a school or museum wanted to make a mount of a fawn. Again, I can see the point. |
| Date: 2007/05/31 13:58:06, Link 66.167.105.122 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Yep, it is a deer. It is so small! |
| Date: 2007/06/02 22:11:48, Link 69.3.118.194 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I don't think so. Gonzalez would have to show that his "religion" of IDC prevented him from writing grants, or publishing papers and inspite of that the government had an obligation to give him a lifetime (well paided) job. I doubt he could make that argument work, and the DI would drop him cold. |
| Date: 2007/06/02 23:09:03, Link 69.3.118.194 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I think that D' Tard only has personal experience in the mycology of nail fungus, and that recurring rash on his butt. I could be mistaken. |
| Date: 2007/06/03 15:16:00, Link 69.3.212.131 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I wonder how the jerkwad on the rght stuck his knee in the plaster. What a dolt. The old guy on the left won't be walking at the end of the day. (hint: get knee pads at your local construction contractor's shop)! If they even had actors sitting there, they would learn some practical points. Also, only total amateurs would expose so much bone before jacketing. All the vert processes are going to be destroyed as are the ribs, left femur, etc ... Next, there is not the slightest reason to be using brushes in that stage of excavation except to slop on glyptal (I prefer polyurathane). I see no picks, shovels, sledge hammers, breaking bars etc... Just a few rock hammers, brushes and a garden trowel. (second hint: we laugh at people with garden trowels- use a Marshalltown or be a jerk). In excavation of a human burial different proceedures are required, most bone is exposed in sito along with associated burial goods, food offerings etc... In that case, you need wooden or soft plastic tools, and spray bottles along with the rest of the usual stuff. The area should have been pedestaled, and slot trenches placed between the larger anatomical units to be removed as blocks. The large nails serve no purpose as placed. This is actually a beautiful example of how amateurs think an excavation should look like. |
| Date: 2007/06/04 00:33:40, Link 69.3.212.131 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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It seems that PT has reacted strongly to the recent DOS attack by blocking comments containing links. Too bad. Or is this just PZ and not PT? |
| Date: 2007/06/04 12:33:05, Link 66.167.110.35 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Strange. Here are the links to more information on the AiG split that I tried to post at PT and apparently was blocked by PZ. (That seems very odd). Some additional background is available from the "No Answers in Genesis" website. The Australian gang gives their version of events at this link. Be sure to read the links and references. The short version is; God Made Them Do It. Really. Read the links. |
| Date: 2007/06/05 17:20:34, Link 69.3.119.64 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I think the breeze went right through her ears. |
| Date: 2007/06/05 22:43:53, Link 69.3.119.64 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Keep 'em coming. Don't be shy. I like them all. :D |
| Date: 2007/06/05 22:47:19, Link 69.3.119.64 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
One of my favorites too. Then there is also the Columbo line, "Rosebud." Another good one. |
| Date: 2007/06/06 02:27:55, Link 69.3.119.64 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The first article by DeWolf, West & Luskin merely hacked chunks of Traipsing into Evolution (2006 Seattle: The Discovery Institute, David Dewolf, John West, Casey Luskin, and Johnathan Witt) into a law review. But the classic was their whine offered as a "response" to Irons. What wankers. |
| Date: 2007/06/10 11:48:22, Link 69.3.135.49 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Absolutly, congratulations. |
| Date: 2007/06/10 20:24:12, Link 69.3.180.110 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
I found a photo of Adam aka Eric Linden taken approximately 6,000 years after the fall; He is holding up very well for his age. |
| Date: 2007/06/11 15:19:13, Link 66.167.7.226 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Yeah, but when Dembski made that original offer I didn't take it. I was of the same opinion as DaveTard; Jones was a tool of the conservatives's assault on reason, and the US Constitution. I also figured that Dembski would demand some horrible expensive label as tribute, and pay-off with some cheap pisswater. I think of these people as the lowest, most debased forms of life on Earth. BTW, my dear wife brought me home a liter of The Macallan she picked up in London. I maybe be a ruined (but happy) man. |
| Date: 2007/06/11 15:48:02, Link 66.167.7.226 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
It burns my eyes! Let me make just a few observations (I'll make them anyway so you might as well "let" me); 1) There are ideographic artifacts from H. erectus burials (these burials might merely be where an erectus fell into a hole while holding on to some of their stuff). 2) There are more ideographic artifacts from 75,000 yreas ago, 3) there is lots of ideographic stuff from 35,000 YBP and onward. The invention of writing around 8,000 YBP, Schmandt-Besserat, Denise 1992 Before Writing Volume I: From counting to cuneiform Austin: University of Texas Press made the first technological "memory" which could be taught generally. Even the most ancient "narrative" artifacts (see Alexander Marshack, The Roots of Civilization 1991, Singapore: Palace Press and Alabama: Books International) would have required a superior oral tradition to be employed. The development of writing followed the first known agriculture by thousands of years (figs domesticated about 11,500 YBP, or if you like dogs, about 20,000 YBP). Mitochondrial Eve- ~180,000 to ~200,000 YBP based on "mollecular clock" arguments. Y chromosome Adam clocked in ~ 80,000 YBP by "mollecular clocks." (Note: I don't count on mollecular "clocks" for much at all beyond any relative dating scheme). The notion of people "wandering from cave to cave" is merely an accident of preservation- open air sites are difficult to find even when they did survive erosion, and very unlikely to obtain dating samples. The rest is manure too rich to be spread in the field. |
| Date: 2007/06/11 16:04:37, Link 66.167.7.226 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
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Holy Bat Guano! UD has on their advert sidebar 
Do check the Amazon page for this opus (click on the cover). |
| Date: 2007/06/11 17:45:47, Link 66.167.7.226 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Naw! Hold your breath until you pass out. Or use a brick- hard aginst your skull many times. |
| Date: 2007/06/11 17:51:22, Link 66.167.7.226 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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25? That could have really ruined me. See? She is actually very nice, and knows me very well. ETA: Did I mention that she is also beautiful and a hard worker? |
| Date: 2007/06/15 14:06:37, Link 66.167.110.58 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Tard Wars V was the best laugh I have had in over a week. Thanks! |
| Date: 2007/06/15 16:13:38, Link 66.167.110.58 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
How was it? I just picked up a copy at a talk Ayala gave. |
| Date: 2007/06/15 22:32:40, Link 66.167.110.58 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That looks far more natural. |
| Date: 2007/06/15 22:48:30, Link 66.167.110.58 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
ya need sum mor edumacation |
| Date: 2007/06/17 15:06:09, Link 69.3.114.10 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I was clicking some of the Brookfield links, and jumped to the "Liberator" via "I love the Wedge." One more cick and we were at "puckerup" an anal sex site. WAD, you wild and crazy guy! Ted Haggerd would be proud. |
| Date: 2007/06/18 01:53:39, Link 66.167.110.169 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Make it a porno and the flagella are really proto dildos. That and fart jokes will sell to the creationists. ??? |
| Date: 2007/06/19 13:14:22, Link 69.3.212.19 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
But WAD isn't a pathetic, envious wanker.
Is he? |
| Date: 2007/06/20 19:43:32, Link 66.167.104.152 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Yeah, and Satanism! I think it is time we call a Satan a Satan. Creationism is evil lies that are contrary to scripture and so that must mean that creationism is from Satan. |
| Date: 2007/06/21 21:52:34, Link 66.167.110.74 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
OOOWww Green. Thats gota' hurt. Don't drive or operate heavy equipment. |
| Date: 2007/06/26 08:45:44, Link 69.3.115.28 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Wasn't he also "Jeptha?" An amazing whack-nut. |
| Date: 2007/06/29 16:52:55, Link 66.167.110.210 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Strangely, when I am reading case reports in bed at night and I encounter something truly disgusting I don't say anything profane or obscene. I say, "Oh My." I learned this through an observation by my wife, Sherrie. When I would say, "Oh My," she would say, "Let me see." Once I said "Dear, this is really a bad photo." Her reply was, "I know that because you said, "Oh My." So the blown up, sawed up, chewed up bit and pieces of our fellow humans spread out on the ground or across the lab table have no mystery to Sherrie because I said "Oh My." |
| Date: 2007/06/29 17:13:26, Link 66.167.110.210 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I enjoy these points of agreement. Often, I view everyone as either victim, or victimizer. Human capacity for violence is unending. |
| Date: 2007/06/29 17:21:58, Link 66.167.110.210 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I recall writing a piece for PT about Dembski being a would-be Nazi. I also did one on IDC and Holocaust deniers. Most people were angry that I had "over stepped." |
| Date: 2007/06/29 17:27:37, Link 66.167.110.210 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I think she should have faced the same sentencing as a Black teenager- the maximum. |
| Date: 2007/06/29 21:19:17, Link 66.167.110.210 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Well done. I love the smell of burnt creationist in the morning etc... |
| Date: 2007/06/30 12:21:29, Link 69.3.115.74 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I woke up this AM and lay in bed thinking. It occurred to me that feminists should be demanding an equivalent sentence for Jo and Kent. "Equal pay" and so on... |
| Date: 2007/06/30 12:33:37, Link 69.3.115.74 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I bought Behe's books used. The latest went for only $10 US. |
| Date: 2007/06/30 19:11:15, Link 69.3.115.74 | ||||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||||
The intelligent design of evolution
PS: What is Sal referring to with the Ayala remark? |
| Date: 2007/07/01 11:19:13, Link 69.3.182.43 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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What does Wikipedia do in these instances? If it is left to you to keep repairing stupid attacks like that, I would simply demand that the page be deleted and kept deleted. Can Wikipedia be sued? Can they be shut down? If not, then there is no protection for anyone being libaled. |
| Date: 2007/07/02 16:46:16, Link 69.3.213.130 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I was just talking with a ecologist about fish size limits. She asked if I was familiar with BOFFFs; Big Old Fecund Fat Females. Their eggs are just better. BOFFF away boys. |
| Date: 2007/07/02 17:02:36, Link 69.3.213.130 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Oddly, you may be the only nonstupid person posting to ATBC that doesn't like The Princess Bride. Yes, rather odd. ??? I suppose that somewhere in the Galaxy there must be others of your kind. It must be so lonely. |
| Date: 2007/07/02 20:26:03, Link 69.3.213.130 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Yeah. It looks just like a penis but it is so small. |
| Date: 2007/07/02 20:30:37, Link 69.3.213.130 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Beer. Beer and sex in the dark. And beer. :D |
| Date: 2007/07/04 18:00:29, Link 69.3.210.225 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I think that the religious extremists that basically control the US Executive branch and most of the Justice Branch may have already established their theocracy. The burnings just haven't started in earnest. There are more hired killers in Iraq than professional "soldiers." The "soldiers" have set a record for murder and rape. They are supposedly under some sort of legal and "moral" controls. Honest folks, I think we are done. |
| Date: 2007/07/04 22:30:21, Link 69.3.210.225 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Sheesh. Today I burned the steaks on one side, and then dropped them off the plate onto the patio. Plus, I had had to chase the dog down the street just as people were arriving. And what are we celebrating? The distruction of the Constitution by George II (2007). |
| Date: 2007/07/04 22:42:00, Link 69.3.210.225 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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That would be very amusing. However, I suspect that establishing the troll's identity will be very difficult. None the less, best wishes. I let my license expire about 20 years ago, but if you get a phone number, or an address I might still have a few "chops." |
| Date: 2007/07/04 22:49:34, Link 69.3.210.225 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Sheesh. I just volunteered to play PI again for Wes. What am I now? |
| Date: 2007/07/04 23:24:07, Link 69.3.210.225 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Gud lord, I might have to go back to work! |
| Date: 2007/07/04 23:57:39, Link 69.3.210.225 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I just gave a careful read of the email from "CPS worker" Torvik. Who ever they are, they are not a psych professional. Too many stupid things they wrote to list tonight. Worse even than lists of stupid things per creationist sentence. They could be a PO, or some other cop, but even then they must not have much experience. Messing with your Wiki page on company time with a company computer would be a big no no. Their Email would be more damning than messing with your Wiki page because of its unprofessional, incompetent attitude. |
| Date: 2007/07/05 13:46:19, Link 69.3.213.229 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I ended up back home this AM. It looks to me Wesley that you are doing everything appropriate, and as the injured party you are more persuasive than I would be. Here is another indication that someone using the name "Chris Torvik" 8 months ago is a nutter who is very hostile toward social workers. I would suggest they might be a former or current "client" of the child welfare system, who would like very much to embarrass someone named "Chris Torvic." Hence, the harassment of Wesley, the racist posts to PT etc... Just a thought. I am not sure but this could be "identity theft." I also just googled up this gem, "My children were removed from me seven years ago. The social worker, C. Chris Torvik, lied to keep my children from reuniting with me." That was from 2004, so I would expect that there are many others. |
| Date: 2007/07/05 17:01:06, Link 69.3.213.229 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
No, no; apple or peach. Actually, he did as much as I would have done before I even logged on this morning. |
| Date: 2007/07/06 12:13:26, Link 66.167.110.77 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Should anyone want extra doses of Jason, he is a frequent poster at http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/forumdisplay.php?f=8 |
| Date: 2007/07/06 14:44:31, Link 66.167.110.77 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| The best part is that I didn't have to do anything. :D |
| Date: 2007/07/06 15:47:57, Link 66.167.110.77 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I didn't use the Explanatory Filter, did you? Did anybody? |
| Date: 2007/07/06 16:10:52, Link 66.167.110.77 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
People who are in rather desperate court situations come to assume that everyone is familiar with legal shorthand as they are. It is similar to patients with chronic illnesses talking together. Women who are going to lose their children are desperate whether they are good, bad or "merely vaguely present" mothers. When their children are gone they are not even mothers. This is true even if the children are better off in a court determined setting. Personally, I don't think that any MSW should be in child protective services more than 10 years (or even less). They burn-out and either follow "keep the family together" scripts, or "the parents are all swine- grab the kids" scripts. I have seen both be deadly. This is one of the main reasons I quit psychiatry- social workers ignoring my advice and children being killed (the father later executed, and the mother given a life sentence) following a "keep them together" script (with religious overtones). There have also been suicides and murders from following the "grab the kids" script. Maybe some sort of rotation between programs might work. The cyber harassment of Wes, and Torvik is a minor issue compared to life or death. It needs to be stopped without being glorified into a major crime. |
| Date: 2007/07/07 01:56:27, Link 66.167.110.77 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Ya Sure Ya Betcha. The person who trashed your van didn't mess with your sense of identity. Nor are they going to be found. Ed Brayton has posted that he knows I am an atheist and an alcoholic, both accusations are false and potentially damaging to me professionally. Much worse than some pathetic person's cyber attacks against the social worker who took her children. Wesley, you are just a minor side issue Maybe I should follow Wesley's lead here and try to have Ed Brayton arrested. |
| Date: 2007/07/07 02:40:45, Link 66.167.110.77 | ||||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||||
Google +Hurd +"Ed Brayton" +athiest or Google +Hurd +"Ed Brayton" +alcoholic Ed Brayton is a close friend of Wesley's. I am sorry. He is also a avid supporter of efforts to eliminate public education, unions, environmental protection and antipollution laws, and civil rights laws regarding equal access to jobs, and public facilities- schools, parks, and restrooms. He, and Tim Sandefur, like many "former" Nazis post 1948, will insist they do not support all of the party line. I am unimpressed. Sandefur's bosses have just scored a predictable victory favoring racial segregation under the protection of the far-right dominated Supreme Court. If creationism ever gets back to the SCUS, nobody should expect a repeat of 1987. The same policies promoted by Brayton and Sandefur are in direct opposition of the 1987 Court. Dover will be a wisp. The religious right and their "libertarian" tools will eliminate Roe v Wade as soon as it can be evaporated. These people are as big, if not bigger, enemies of modern liberal society as Behe, Dembski, Johnson, Ham or Hovind. Add, Bush, Cheney, Libby, Gonzales and the rest of the neofascists. We are doomed. I hope I am wrong. |
| Date: 2007/07/07 02:52:05, Link 66.167.110.77 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Holy Bugger Offeriski I spent much of today replacing the faucet in our kitchen! Who could have ever predicted this awe inspiring random coincidence. So, it is life the "sink" as a low spot equaled the increased in the 2nd Law buggered head to toe with the Janitorial Filter. It is all so clear now..... |
| Date: 2007/07/07 03:37:44, Link 66.167.110.77 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Ed in full bray. Actually worse than the "attack" against Wesley. There is an old phrase, "You are known by your enemies." In that case I am pleased, I can count not only Ed Brayton, but Jon Sarfati, Carl Weiland, and Jonathan Wells as enemies. Ed is in his natural clade. |
| Date: 2007/07/10 14:47:36, Link 72.245.7.171 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I sincerely appreciate all of you for reading and commenting on UD and OWEei so that I am spared that onerous task. I have had far more laughter reading ATBC than any other E/C website. |
| Date: 2007/07/12 17:11:11, Link 68.164.237.231 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
OOOHH. I want graphic sex between the bene elohim and the daughters of man to produce those Nephilim dudes. |
| Date: 2007/07/12 17:22:54, Link 68.164.237.231 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Welcome. I have enjoyed your noble efforts to bring light to the dark bowels of UD. Sadly, there are creationist fossil hunters. Lots of them. |
| Date: 2007/07/12 18:40:53, Link 68.164.237.231 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
 I am busy right now. |
| Date: 2007/07/12 19:50:16, Link 68.164.237.231 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Yeah, Noah got banged by his son Ham after he passed out drunk, Gen 9:21. That was why there were slaves from Africa until the Christians invented different reasons, like the pre-Adamites. Hubert (I am not a creationist) Yockey quotes Gilbert and Sullivan's 1885 "The Mikado" in his attack on origin of life research. He does not comment that the lyric begins "I am in point of fact a particularly haught and exclusive person of pre-Adamite ancestry descent." Rather he blathers on about Ernst Haeckel |
| Date: 2007/07/12 20:24:54, Link 68.164.237.231 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have written a 7+ page article on Psalm 89 (unfinished). In the that piece I note that, "In a theme that will later be written and added to the Bible as Genesis 1, the God of Israel, Yahweh or El (formal plural Elohim), is credited with the creation of the ancient powers of Heaven and Earth, the defeat of primordial chaos (the sea), and (in common with Canaanite El) the creation of all other gods and the Assembly of Gods (bene elohim). The sources for the entire praise hymn in Psalm 89:5-14 can be drawn back to the pre-monarchy, even pre-exodus period of 1,400-1,300 BC. The Ba'l Haddu epics are known from about that time, and they serve as the bulk of the later part of the hymn. The opening verses 5-8 are also part of that tradition, but reflect the association of Yahweh and the supreme Canaanite god El. The mixed use of El, and Yahweh within the hymn places this composition to around 1,100 BCE. The next portion of the psalm brings the story forward from the pre-Exodus era to the time of the Davidic Covenant, or also about 1000 BCE." In the pre-exhilic portion that is attested in Ugaritic tablets is a banquet hosted by El for the "host of El" or "the sons of God." Most of the tablet is a list of beverages served, which included "a nursing woman for every pair of celebrants." I had to read that a few times. The opening lines of the praise hymn in Psalm 89, vss. 5-8, identify Yahweh by His renown within the "assembly of the holy ones" (v.5), the sons of the heavenly beings (v.6), the council of the holy ones (v.7), and in verse 8 God Yahweh is identified as the "God of hosts" "surrounded by his faithful." The name Yahweh in verse 8 balances the name El used in verse 7 (see also Gen 33:22 El elohe yisra'el literally "El, god of the patriarch Israel." The council/assembly/host/"sons of" are the very same bene elohim from Genesis 6:2, "the sons of God" providing an answer to the question of who God spoke to in Genesis 3:22. The Council of Yahweh is biblically also attested in Psalm 82, the 'adat El , or literally "Council of El." We can now see that the hearld Ethan while praising God is reminding all, even Yahweh!, that the Divine Covenant was properly witnessed by the Council of the Gods. What a party! |
| Date: 2007/07/12 22:07:48, Link 68.164.237.231 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I am snacking on the smoked remains of those albacore. Look up the Cato Institute, the American Enterprise Institute, and the Pacific Legal Foundation. Brayton and Sandefur are vocal supporters. Sandefur works for the PLF which had a big victory resegregating public schools this month. Then read; Gore, Al 2007 Assault on Reason Phillips, Kevin 2006 American Theocracy New York: Viking Press Mooney, Chris 2005 The Republican War on Science New York: Basic Press Got to go. |
| Date: 2007/07/13 12:09:05, Link 68.164.118.60 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That was a fun video. I also enjoyed the scene where Abraham was going to kill his son and God tells him it was just a joke. The boy mutters, Fuckers!" as he walks back down the hill. |
| Date: 2007/07/14 13:27:54, Link 68.164.235.17 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Mike Argento of the York Daily Record, has an excellent article on the Libbby wash. |
| Date: 2007/07/14 13:44:03, Link 68.164.235.17 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I see that "Exploring Evolution" is not available on Amazon. Since I only buy creationist books used or remaindered, it will be a while before I read this one. I got a copy of Behe's latest book already for $11. Since it was a new copy, I suppose it was considered overstock. |
| Date: 2007/07/15 14:02:39, Link 68.165.238.92 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Last night I read "Evolution Exposed," a stinking pile of crap smeared on paper by Paul G. Humber. It was disgusting. I had to read it as part of the longish response to Weikart that I am working on sporadically. Humber likes to email people and then use their replies as "gotchas." He goes on for some while about Lenny without ever mentioning him by name. I realized that he had sent me several emails years ago. I told him that I didn't respond to individual emails about E/c, (I don't), and that he should post these to the TO newsgroup where I would reply. I have also just finished reading Morris, Henry M. 1974 "The Troubled Waters of Evolution" San Diego: Creation-Life Publishers. All for the same critical review of Weikart. These will only be a tiny observation that the creationist lies about Darwin+Hitler are not original, that they have been essentially unmodified for over 30 years, that Weikart is well known to creationists as a fellow believer (notable in Humber of course), and that Weikart has nothing new to offer. PS: If I live another 8 months I'll set an all family male longevity record. I cannot understand why I waste so much time reading creationist crap. Oh Well. |
| Date: 2007/07/15 14:06:10, Link 68.165.238.92 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I liked that one the best of the three mentioned. |
| Date: 2007/07/23 18:12:29, Link 68.165.20.101 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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This has wandered so far from the OP that I thought that it would be OK to indulge in a little speculation. On this Wednesday the US House of Rep's justice committee is going to vote on contempt citations against Harriet Miers and Joshua Bolten. The White House has demanded that the US Justice Dept not respond. So, is the next step to impeach Gonzales? |
| Date: 2007/08/14 21:55:16, Link 72.245.3.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Thanks. This is a sort of feedback we welcome, but don't always reply to on the feedback page. Personaly, I add a mention to the acknowledgements. |
| Date: 2007/08/14 22:08:53, Link 72.245.3.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I obsessivly have tracked down and read a dozen or so articles on the Steve McIntyre temperature correction issue. What a bunch load of lame-ass right-wing jackassery! I was primed yesterday for this when I was out fishing. An 80+ year old, retired engineer, über-conservative fishing buddy asked if I had heard that "global warning was bunk? Yeah, it was proved by a Canadian! NASA won't let anybody know." I am too pissed for a BB comment. I'll be on it tomorrow. |
| Date: 2007/08/14 22:56:51, Link 72.245.3.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Jo que, I have been given access to the topic text. I have not read much yet, nor have I had time to read all the comments. But I will do so I promise. Soon, very soon. |
| Date: 2007/08/17 16:52:24, Link 72.245.82.60 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Hooooie....... Man that was strong shit. |
| Date: 2007/08/21 15:38:04, Link 67.101.55.193 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
More like marbles, or BBs |
| Date: 2007/08/28 18:39:15, Link 68.166.131.175 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Before deleting, I think Wes should check to see if this is the same asswipe that was bombing TalkOrigins. |
| Date: 2007/08/31 22:24:20, Link 68.167.1.219 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| I'm sorry I posted at all. |
| Date: 2007/09/01 13:46:24, Link 68.164.118.125 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
 I thought this was interesting. UD=blue, PT, Talkorigins=green This was much more fun; |
| Date: 2007/09/02 15:01:25, Link 68.164.148.162 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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If you are looking for book recommendations about Intelligent Design creationism from scientific or historical points of view, I offer the following; Mark Perakh 2003 Unintelligent Design New York: Prometheus Press Niall Shanks and Richard Dawkins 2004 God, the Devil, and Darwin: A Critique of Intelligent Design Theory Oxford University Press Robert T. Pennock (Editor) 2001 Intelligent Design Creationism and Its Critics: Philosophical, Theological, and Scientific Perspectives MIT Press Matt Young, Taner Edis (Editors), 2004 Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism Rutgers University Press Barbara Carroll Forrest, Paul R. Gross 2004 Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design Oxford University Press Brockman, John (editor) 2006 Intelligent Thought: Science versus the Intelligent Design Movement (2006, New York: Vintage Press/Random House) There was actually little to commend Brockman et al, but the rest are very good. |
| Date: 2007/09/05 10:34:14, Link 72.245.7.72 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Oh My:
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| Date: 2007/09/15 18:44:34, Link 67.101.106.65 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
MMMmmmm shifting personal goalposts That shimmy! |
| Date: 2007/09/16 21:19:17, Link 68.165.33.142 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Excellent satire. I thought you gave it away with your opening line about disappearing before it appeared, "it was gone before it was there." Only if it were never there. I did have to read it twice though, and finally concluded that Dembski could never appear so reasonable. When he screws up he becomes driven to justify and deny that he screwed up. |
| Date: 2007/09/19 09:45:02, Link 68.165.33.223 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
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Splurty has spamed this list of questions all over the intertubes. He merely ignor replies, or engages warp 7 goalposts. in responce to spurtstuf's question #1
There is also;
Which was a discussion of :
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| Date: 2007/09/19 15:23:11, Link 68.165.33.223 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Can you sue congress? |
| Date: 2007/09/19 15:43:26, Link 68.165.33.223 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Dr. Page! How you be? At least no chance that the AtBC regulars might take sporty seriously. |
| Date: 2007/09/19 15:47:16, Link 68.165.33.223 | ||||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||||
Wow, now that's a head job, or a Head Case. |
| Date: 2007/09/19 20:04:20, Link 68.165.33.223 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]
No sort'a stupid, you asked:
I showed you two. You are too stupid to even follow your own questions. |
| Date: 2007/09/20 17:26:05, Link 67.101.106.40 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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You guys that say, "Yo, I can quit anytime" and "I'm not a creatotrad junckie, I only reply recreationally" are liars. Face it, you are all strung out. With UD in self destruct mode, your pathetic need for the C-tard drives you to reply to one of the sickest tard pushers on the entertubes. I'll stick with beer. |
| Date: 2007/09/20 19:09:00, Link 68.165.238.132 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I can't agree here. StupidSplurt is an excellent argument aginst creationism for anyone with the wit to follow references and to actually read them. |
| Date: 2007/09/21 12:50:50, Link 72.244.113.44 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
It is interesting to watch Dembski turn the "EvoInfoLab" into a fantasy laboratory with fantasy test tubes, and fantasy "real science."
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| Date: 2007/09/21 13:19:35, Link 72.244.113.44 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Hehehheh... Since the post title said clearly "not a parody" I was sure that it was a parody. I need to go fishing. |
| Date: 2007/09/22 16:22:11, Link 68.165.20.42 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I am going fishing for a few days. |
| Date: 2007/10/03 17:17:05, Link 67.101.175.184 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
That's a good looking young woman and one really great fish. I did fairly well last weekend: He was part of a masters degree project tracking migration patterns of various deepwater fish. He got an accostic transmiter and a shoulder tag and a 6 mile boat ride before release. Here is a slightly smaller specimen:  Because we had to release them in good shape, I lost more blood than the fish did- even with their minor surgery. (Check out the teeth in the first photo). Naturally, the really big one got away. (really scary big) |
| Date: 2007/10/06 00:13:41, Link 68.164.234.251 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That is wonderful. It only lacks farty noises. |
| Date: 2007/10/06 00:15:29, Link 68.164.234.251 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
My too. I am so relieved not to be alone anymore in this. |
| Date: 2007/10/08 21:47:37, Link 67.101.55.22 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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So? Has the bathroom wall been lost from the PT? It seems to have become merely a local AtBC playground. I cannot say that I'd miss it. Wes suggested it (As I Recall) wen we were devided about certain creationist idiots posting comments at PT. The two I particularly recall were JAD and DaveScot. GreatWhiteHope and a few others were also in the mix. I was not interested because when the discussion became inane I closed the comments. A lot of the irritating messing about of the PT template by Reed was motivated by the simple fact that people would not close the comments. |
| Date: 2007/10/09 16:59:20, Link 67.101.50.103 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I think that there has been a tremendous amount of thought exerted by Wes, and the other contributers to the D&M debunking. Congratualtions and my thanks. |
| Date: 2007/10/09 20:47:54, Link 67.101.173.154 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Well sure! George W. Bush was a war hero and nominated for many Nobels. Lots of 'um. All the time. |
| Date: 2007/10/10 23:11:47, Link 72.245.87.233 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Haven't you ever heard the classic mythopoetic psychosocial analysis, "Candy is dandy, but Liquor is quicker." |
| Date: 2007/10/11 00:38:27, Link 72.245.87.233 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Ain't that the truth. I remember Dembski's clowns chanting "Princeton" over and over. I think that a Waco Barbeque joint is plenty authentic. A Princeton PO Box is a sham. His Baylor website was a sham even Baylor couldn't stomach. |
| Date: 2007/10/12 14:48:16, Link 67.101.175.229 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I saw this morning that the creationists had trashed Carl Weiland's wiki biography. |
| Date: 2007/10/16 00:13:03, Link 67.101.50.50 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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See, it's like this for me; I hate being wrong. It makes me vomit. So, I go to conferences and I give papers. That way people can tell me right away if I am right or wrong, and I don't have to waste time writing it all out and sending in for review from only a few asswipes, who because they are experts in the same things I am an expert in, know who I am anyway. (Anonymous? No way. If you can't pick out two out of three of your reviewers you are not an expert. I don't even try to be anonymous any more- it is useless). So at a conference people- dozens or hundreds, will feel perfectly happy to tell you what they think. Especially in the hotel bar. I got tenure and grants mostly by giving conference papers (eventually published in a Proceedings) and arguing face to face, and circulating manuscripts. I once had 150 requests for a manuscript. I never did publish it in a book, and it was too long for any journal. Professional societies once had monograph series, but they had died due to high cost. So, the deal is that being challenged by other people is much easier, and more fun than trying to keep yourself streight. Some jack asses take it all personally, and once it has degraded to that point you might as well play that as well. There is nothing wrong with dislikeing pig shit on your boots. An interesting thing in my personal experience is that after people have made serious attempts to kill you, trivial threats made by trivial people are merely amusing. |
| Date: 2007/10/16 00:26:20, Link 67.101.50.50 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
So, on the point;
There isn't. Sorry, I can't play that game except on PCRPGs or old style PnP D&D. There are no gods. |
| Date: 2007/10/16 00:42:47, Link 67.101.50.50 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| The 6,000 year old earth isn't biblical either. |
| Date: 2007/10/16 12:12:23, Link 68.165.20.206 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Rich, You did the bellbottoms! Oh I liked those. |
| Date: 2007/10/19 18:01:25, Link 68.165.233.76 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I attribute to an explosion of hamsters. Several have been known to explode if properly prepared. This advance preparation is telegenesis which also means "becoming in advance of being." It is also critical to backloading of meanful exchanges to understand that this has nothing to do with gerbles. Or other rodents of unusual size. |
| Date: 2007/10/21 11:33:29, Link 67.101.175.22 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Dembski:
There is more:
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| Date: 2007/10/21 11:49:28, Link 67.101.175.22 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
Ah, here it is (the translation above is actually good).
It is clear that Dembski had a huge emotional investment in the "Baylor Lab." It was to be his academic redemption. Instead, it repeated his defeat. |
| Date: 2007/10/21 13:04:33, Link 67.101.175.22 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
My translation, "I don't believe the evidence supports that there was a universal common ancestor, but there are design theorists like Michael J. Behe who do." (My translation is a bit stronger in attitude, but he did say "believe" not "think." And he most definately says "universal common ancestor" not "universal common descent" as translated in the IDEA article). Elsewhere I recall Dembski saying he had "no problem" with common ancestory. He may be quibbling over "universal common ancestor" as opposed to some general sense of common ancestory of closely realated species. From his remarks about the Cambrian explosion (only 5 to 10 million years, 550 Ma BCE), I expect he is thinking that it is there that all the designer's designing was designed. A classic "God of the Gaps" position. |
| Date: 2007/10/22 01:31:29, Link 67.101.175.22 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Almost for sure the original was English. Which brings up an interesting question, the English version is far milder than the Spanish. |
| Date: 2007/10/26 13:07:58, Link 68.167.2.236 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
NO! I want more! More, I tell you, more. |
| Date: 2007/10/27 00:06:31, Link 68.167.2.236 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Airbrushed a crotch? Goodness, did you give Dembski a penis, or remove one? |
| Date: 2007/10/27 18:08:08, Link 72.245.85.195 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Cute. Just how do "particular organism's" survive over many generations. I could see two, or three. There is ample genetic epidemiology to show that in particular, the genetic component of human sperm degrades with the age of the male. You can fool the 2nd LoTD sum o' the time, but U can't get away with it all o' the time. |
| Date: 2007/10/30 14:13:55, Link 68.164.237.21 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
minor point,
I don't know the exact line weight Dr. Smith might have had in mind, but 100 yards of fishing line can easily fit into a coffee cup with a retrieval time of a minute or two. A few weeks ago I bottom fished in 800 feet of water using 60lb test braided dacron line. My retrieveal time was about 15 minutes, but that was with a 10 to 30 lb fish with very different ideas about which direction to go. (A 4 lb lead weight slowed it down a bit as well). One hundred yards of 12lb test, such as I was using yesterday, would easily pack into a coffee cup with a retrieval of a few minutes. The real problem isn't the science, but credibility. And any angeler otherwise disinclined to science would be quickly turned off by Dr. Smiths gaff. |
| Date: 2007/11/04 20:16:13, Link 68.164.148.189 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Well, DaveTard is healthy compared to Ed Brayton. |
| Date: 2007/11/05 16:50:59, Link 67.101.106.217 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Where do you get these data? I would like to know how "Why Intelligent Design Fails" compared with some of the IDC books. I recall an email hat Rutgers was surprised that sales were as good as it happened. I think there were 3 hardback, and 3 paperback printing. |
| Date: 2007/11/05 18:42:47, Link 67.101.106.217 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Thanks for the information. I would have to guess that the print runs were tiny then, because there were 2 or 3 for the hardcover. (I told Mom not to by so many copies :O ) ;) |
| Date: 2007/11/06 11:47:33, Link 68.164.234.51 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
First time I have laughed in three days. Thanks! |
| Date: 2007/11/08 15:17:34, Link 72.245.7.73 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I'll bring a barf bag |
| Date: 2007/11/08 20:53:10, Link 72.245.7.73 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]
And I am tired of the same creationist shit year after year. The same lies year after year, the same slanders year after year, the same whines year after year, the same threats year after year. The same lies year after year. The same lies year after year. Why don't you shut the fuck up? |
| Date: 2007/11/12 21:15:30, Link 67.101.50.46 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Mandolin, dulcimer, oud, guitar Not in any order |
| Date: 2007/11/13 19:48:42, Link 67.101.108.212 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I am not looking at this thread until after the show. We on the best coast still have 2.25 hours to wait. LALALALALALLALALLA (I'm not looking)>>> Actually, I have watched arguements in sign language. Facinating, IF YOU SHOUT, you make signs BIG. The ultimate power trip is to grab someones hands and sign with your free hand. The maximo shutdown is to close your eyes, or to turn around. |
| Date: 2007/11/14 18:46:11, Link 68.164.238.70 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
I went crosseyed there and then blind. I splashed beer down my throat and finally recovered. It was close. |
| Date: 2007/11/14 18:52:57, Link 68.164.238.70 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Amen. I thought that Fuller would be a great anti-IDC witness just by encouraging him to talk about what HE thought about IDC. |
| Date: 2007/11/15 21:06:58, Link 67.101.109.138 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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The recent trend in the UDerfailure subfora proposed a recurrent theme that the majority of DaveTard, BillyDuffus, and Barfo Spice's butt lickers are actually locals. So, when do you pull the string and make their heads go "bang?" It needs to be coordinated for effect. I suggest December 1st, this year. You will have plenty of time to set up alternate IDs, err, well, you know... Just post at the top UDer failure thread that you were a troll, and copy here with your "real" identity. Of course, "real" means "local pretend name." I expect to be very amused. |
| Date: 2007/11/16 14:26:16, Link 68.164.148.108 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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"philosophical pointillism" That is a wonderful image. |
| Date: 2007/11/18 21:29:40, Link 68.166.131.20 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I agree. That is why I suggest that all trolls unmask. I recall that I suggested the first of December. Just post to the top thread at UDer failure (a cow with no milk) that you have been a troll that the DI/ID infected twits failed to detect. And then kick back. It just does not seem funny to make fun of crap that is phoney from the start. |
| Date: 2007/11/21 20:53:01, Link 68.165.238.232 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I am just dropping the last swallow of a nice merlot, Smoking Loon. Their cork logo is "whhooo, whhhoooo, cough, cough..." Mostly I drink beer. What will we talk about when UDerfailure goes dark? I just listened to Dembski's presentation in Oklahoma last September. It is available here. He has a melt down or three. But I did note that he recovered quickly and went right back on his script. There is no way that he could keep current with UDerfailure, and the site hurt him bad with the UniO crowd. |
| Date: 2007/11/28 21:32:01, Link 67.101.107.14 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
See? Thats what I mean. How did I ever get tenure in Psychiatry when I couldn't spot a homosexual unless they were wearing a dress, or tried to grab my ass? (Actually, I had a college friend who was sure he wasn't gay because he tried on a dress and wasn't turned on at all. He was a dance major. I hope I was never that naive). :D |
| Date: 2007/11/28 22:00:50, Link 67.101.107.14 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Matthews, Victor H., Don C. Benjamin 2006 “Old Testament Parallels: Law and Stories from the Ancient Near East” New York: The Paulist Press. Sparks, Kenton L. 2005 “Ancient Texts for the Study of the Hebrew Bible” Peabody PA: Hendrickson Publishers Walton, John H. 2006 “Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament” Grand Rapids: Baker Academic Press I recommend Sparks. Skip the other two, and read Dalley, Stephanie 2000 Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised Oxford: Oxford University Press and Finkelstein, Israel, Neil Silberman 2001 The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts New York: The Free Press Friedman, Richard Elliott 1987 Who Wrote the Bible? New York:Harper and Row (Paperback Edition) instead. I also dragged myself through 3 chapters of; White, Joe, Nicholas Comminellis 2001 “The Demise of Darwin: Why Evolution Can’t Take the Heat” Green Forest AR: Master Books My reaction is negative. |
| Date: 2007/11/29 18:52:23, Link 68.165.22.121 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I tend to agree that universities in the US fail to honor education, particularly public education. The issue is economic, of course. I was given tenure only after I pulled in more than I was paid in overhead=profit calculated as a presentage of direct costs. I did this for years. I then realized that in industry I was paid much better for about the same job. Tenure is bullshit if you are able to stay productive. Who needs tenure? Now that I am slowing down, I suppose a 10 year glide down to retirement might be nice. Maybe we can propose a new definition for tenure- ten years of hard work, ten more of maintaining altitude, and ten years of decline. |
| Date: 2007/11/30 00:21:57, Link 68.165.22.121 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
There was a heated discussion about how to approach Fuller, as I hope you recall. The anti-social science position, lead by Nick, was to discredit Fuller in the same way that the creationists tried to discredit Forest. I recommended encouraging Fuller to describe his reasons to support ID. I recall writing, “The trial is not about Fuller v. Gross, or about deconstructionist theory.” Or something like that. I think my position was implemented and successful. |
| Date: 2007/12/02 01:53:14, Link 68.165.18.3 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
She got hit by an stupidish ray-gun? No kidding, I just had to go and throw-up half my sandwitch. Careful with those Photos, OK? |
| Date: 2007/12/02 02:22:40, Link 68.165.18.3 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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So, I get challenged on a minor YEC dominated site about some biblical sources. I am told that I don't read the "right" books, so I have no idea what the Bible says. Mind you, I have read the Bible. And I have read thousands of pages about the Bible, particulary the Old Testament, and particularly those parts related the the creationist doctrine. So that last month I have read; Brown F., Driver S., Briggs C. 2007 (reprint from 1906) “Hebrew and English Lexicon: With an Appendex Containing the Biblical Aramaic: With Strong’s Numbering” Peabody Mass: Hendrickson Publishers (The Strong’s catalog #s was added by Hendrickson Publishers). (All the expository material) Matthews, Victor H., Don C. Benjamin 2006 “Old Testament Parallels: Law and Stories from the Ancient Near East” New York: The Paulist Press. Sparks, Kenton L. 2005 “Ancient Texts for the Study of the Hebrew Bible” Peabody PA: Hendrickson Publishers Strong, James (author), revised and edited Kohlenberger, James R. III, Swanson, James A. 2001 edition (original 1894) “The Strongest Strong’s exhaustive concordance of the Bible (KJV) for the 21st Century” Grand Rapids: Zondervan. (All the expository material) Walton, John H. 2006 “Ancient Near Eastern Thought and the Old Testament” Grand Rapids: Baker Academic Press While working through the books above, I had occasion to reread parts of Dalley, Stephanie 2000 Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised Oxford: Oxford University Press Cross, Frank Moore 1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel. Boston: Harvard University Press Dahood, Mitchell 1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday Speiser, E. A. 1962 "Genesis: Introduction, Translation and Notes" New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday Schmandt-Besserat, Denise 1992 Before Writing Volume I: From counting to cuneiform Austin: University of Texas Press These are all excellent books. Really. Almost. Well, Walton is a wussie. He hides from any hard questions about the Bible. Matthews and Benjamin give such short lumps of Ancient Near Eastern (AKA Syropalistine) texts that you must read Schmandt-Besserat, Dalley, as well as Black, Jeremy, Anthony Green, Tessa Rickards (illustrator) 2003 "Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia" Austin: University of Texas Press Blenkinsopp, Joseph 1992 The Pentateuch: An Introduction to the First Five Books of the Bible The Anchor Bible Reference Library New York: ABRL/Doubleday Finkelstein, Israel, Neil Silberman 2001 The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts New York: The Free Press Friedman, Richard Elliott 1987 Who Wrote the Bible? New York:Harper and Row (Paperback Edition) Anyway a good start. |
| Date: 2007/12/04 17:48:28, Link 68.165.239.189 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Blow up a ballon, and draw a picture of GG on it. Put it in the toilet and flush over and over. That is what his chances look like. |
| Date: 2007/12/04 18:32:21, Link 68.165.239.189 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I didn't make a post, but I modified one in edit mode. There, I did it again. I can do it over and over- wink wink nudge nudge. |
| Date: 2007/12/05 07:49:24, Link 64.105.27.109 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Luskin is obviously following the direction of Prof. Mike Behe, who admitted under oath that ID creationism was "scienec" to the same extent as astrology. (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District Trial transcript: Day 11 (October 18), PM Session, Part 1) (Linked with my name above). *I Could have edited "scienec" if I had wanted to, but I didn't. But I did edit to add this note. HaHa |
| Date: 2007/12/05 07:58:06, Link 64.105.27.109 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I was asked my opinion of a candidate before the committee membership was firmed up. I was very critical of the candidate, but I had been for several years. The dept chair asked me to be on the committee, but I delcined. Instead I wrote my opinion, and submitted it to the committee. I haven't seen in the DI press releases which emails were by committee members, or from department faculty/students to committee members. A tenure committee is not legaly required to behave as a trial jury. They can have, and should have opinions. |
| Date: 2007/12/05 08:19:55, Link 64.105.27.109 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Unfortunately the "astrologer" comment was an error at the newspaper. Wes posted it to Panda's Thumb. (Not edited) |
| Date: 2007/12/05 08:22:25, Link 64.105.27.109 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I have pissed blood, but only following unusual events (like being beat with ax handles). |
| Date: 2007/12/07 12:53:48, Link 68.166.131.129 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
The only Kitzmiller expert witness the Dover defence really tried to disqualify was Forrest. They were properly scared. She reamed IDC. :D |
| Date: 2007/12/07 16:59:18, Link 68.166.131.129 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
 Lead poisoning, who said lead poisoning? |
| Date: 2007/12/07 17:02:32, Link 68.166.131.129 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Not only that, but those Southern Chicks are tuff. She would beat his ass purple. (They learn that early from their Mammas). |
| Date: 2007/12/09 12:57:37, Link 68.164.149.234 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I resemble that remark! (Groucho Marx, sometime ago) |
| Date: 2007/12/10 18:34:01, Link 68.164.118.23 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I think they really meant the foreskin of Abraham. Abraham was going to spill his son's guts, while he only cut off the end of his dick. |
| Date: 2007/12/10 23:03:05, Link 68.164.118.23 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Without a question "Expelled" will be a major debate topic for the next year, or two. We are dealing with implacable evil bastards. I see that it may literaly be a fight to the death. |
| Date: 2007/12/10 23:19:20, Link 68.164.118.23 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
The article on flash flood mortality used by AFDave gives us a good illustration (for those not already familiar with him) or how he uses information. He makes gross errors, and then sweeping conclusions based on those errors. Here is how AFDave misinterpreted the article:
AFDave has keyed on the percentage of deaths reported as drowning, 93. He has not thought about the circumstances reported at all, nor the relevance of this paper to the discussion at hand. First, the summary report cited by AFDave was based on those in which 30 or more deaths had occurred. (Obviously some reports tallied fewer than 30 deaths). So, these are all large events, many fatalities and cause of death data is suspect- faced with stacks of bodies pulled from riverbanks or submerged cars, “drowning” comes rather automatic. The report AFDave claims to have studied acknowledged the problem of incomplete reports.
Only half the reported floods with numerous deaths gave any cause of death. Of the deaths due to drowning;
Both Glenn and I were describing the sediment load of a flash flood on tissue. Soft stuff like meat and bones will be smashed. If there were lots of shrimp driving around during Noah’s Flood, they might have drowned too. Other drowning deaths were from people who died in their homes following dam failures. These were about a third of all deaths in the report. The parallel applied to AFDave’s muddle would be that a third of all fossil burrows have the animal still present. Sorry, not so. What a little careful reading shows is that about 72 percent of all deaths reported as “drowning” are people in protective structures; homes or cars. These are irrelevant to the “AFDAVE FLOOD MUDDLE.” What are relevant considerations? With regard to the lethality of high velocity sediments, the report cited by AFDave included a small number of events; “Heavy rains associated with topographical factors (canyon, mountains, arroyo), # of events 7, # of deaths 297. The average deaths per event was 43, only exceeded by dam breaks. How is it that flash floods in relatively isolated mountain canyons are so deadly? Because people are swept off when they are smashed by rocks, and held under not by water pressure but the massive weight of clay, silt, sand, gravels, and rocks. Any water in their lungs (technically “drowning”) was probably their last attempt to scream as they went down. Oh and let’s look at the stupid bravado AFDave tossed in, “There is not a single mention of being "beat to death" as a cause. I would invite you to provide even a single study which mentions ANY cases of people being "beat to death" by a flash flood.” In Table 5 of the article cited by AFDave in support of is Muddle, we find the entry for cause of death, “Trauma.” In medico-legal terms, “Trauma” is “beat to death.” AFDave will no doubt consol himself that there were only 2 trauma deaths in the table. I don’t really care, but his triumphal crowing was a challenge to find “even a single study” of “ANY” (Luv yer capitalization, asswipe) death due to trauma. The paper he was demanding I produce was right on his screen. And this is a final observation about AFDave and his jerkoff “scholarship:” it is shallow, it is sloppy, it is premature, and he reaches wrong conclusions that then he extends to ridicules extremes. |
| Date: 2007/12/11 01:57:22, Link 68.164.118.23 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
In 1966 I did a summer school experiment with two cultures of bacteria. I challenged them each with various popular medications; Lysol, Listerine (named after Joseph Lister), and plain old alcohol. Listerine is about 21% alcohol, so you can see the contrast. The alcohol killed both bacteria. The popular remedies greatly reduced the populations of bacteria, but without continued application the bacteria rebounded in even greater numbers than before they were challenged. The popular nostrums never killed all the bacteria- there were always some to continue their existence and even to flourish. I tried to extend the result with different bacteria, but medical conserns (using the family refrigerator and oven for pathogenic cultures) ended the experiments. Forty years and a PhD later, I realize that I missed a clear shot at early publication. Worse, people are still buying the crap I had exposed “way back when." Acually, I am in retrospect amazed that my mother indulged me to the extent she did. Bacteria in the Fridge, snakes in the bedroom, various rodents in various places, bones piled here and there... So on and so on... Really remarkable. Rather like my home today. I am amazed my wife puts up with me as well. |
| Date: 2007/12/11 01:59:45, Link 68.164.118.23 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Ah, good for you. I like that much better. I need to take an Evo/Creato vacation. I'll go fishing! |
| Date: 2007/12/12 22:31:28, Link 64.105.27.140 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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"orange sunshine?" Are you really that old? |
| Date: 2007/12/13 18:23:15, Link 67.101.175.22 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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"Washburn (strange birdseye maple solid top)" I have a Washburn mandolin from 1897 from my grandfather. It needs work on a cracked sound board, sad to say. I briefly owned a Washburn guitar, but the rent came due one sorry month. It was the gibson, the martin, or the old 3/4 size washburn. I could have got a job I suppose. |
| Date: 2007/12/20 17:50:27, Link 68.164.238.199 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Very interesting. |
| Date: 2007/12/23 19:08:57, Link 67.101.107.228 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
That is too fine! |
| Date: 2007/12/31 00:39:46, Link 68.164.150.243 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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There were several points that I didn't like in Meester's article. There are also some minor errors in his bibliography, and elsewhere that a copy editor will pick up and repair. The core notion, that computational evolution simulations fail to be revealing is very interesting, but impossible to evaluate from Meester's presentation. |
| Date: 2007/12/31 00:47:57, Link 68.164.150.243 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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This is all the bibliography you'll need. http://nsmserver2.fullerton.edu/departm....web |
| Date: 2008/01/01 12:59:30, Link 64.105.27.244 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I replied: The Late Neolithic and Early Bronze archaeology of Mesopotamia sheds an interesting light on the early status of pre-domesticated cattle. The iconography of Sumeria used the bull’s horns as signs of divinity with as many as 14 pairs worn as a helmet by the supreme god Anu, or An. Even after the domestication of cattle in the bronze age, wild cattle were hunted by Neo-Assyrian kings who wore two pair as symbols of their power. The Ugaritic texts form a critical corpus to understand much of the early Bible. There, the king Nimrod is renowned for his ability to hunt cattle which he provided to feasts of the gods hosted by El, and Bal Hadad, to which selected kings were invited. Nimrod was also attested biblically. You can get a quick introduction to this in; Cross, Frank Moore 1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel. Boston: Harvard University Press Dalley, Stephanie 2000 Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised Oxford: Oxford University Press Black, Jeremy, Anthony Green, Tessa Rickards (illustrator) 2003 "Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia" Austin: University of Texas Press. The domestication of cattle, and even dairy farming clearly preceded the bulk of the biblical texts, as we read in Exodus 3:8. “And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.” We can assume the reference is to cattle, or goats milk, although, human milk “on the leg” as it were, was a beverage served at feasts for gods and kings, and is obliquely referred to biblically in Psalm 89:5-6 which is derived from the incipit to an Ugaritic praise hymn. (See Pardee, Dennis 2002 Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, and Dahood, Mitchell 1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday and 1968 Psalms II, 51-100: Introduction, Translation and Notes New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday). This brief note is merely to observe that the interactions between humans and cattle are ancient, and important. And, more obviously, there is much more to cattle than raw milk. Without doubt, the original motive for domestication of cattle was for meat, hides, and not milk to drink. You have made some gross errors when concluding that “The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.” And “This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.” First, you should already realize that drinking raw milk was rare in the ancient past, and is actually rare today except among northern and central European populations. However, fermented milk products such as yogurt, and cheese are far more common and do not require the same lactose tolerance that drinking milk does. So without much grasp of biology or archaeology, you should have known that the PNAS article could not represent, “… a tough problem for evolution.” This would be true even of a good reading of the popular press blurb in National Geographic. Second, you relied on a popularized blurb from secondary sources to rest your very sweeping conclusions. This is always a mistake, one a professor ought to know to avoid. You should read the original article, “Absence of the lactase-persistence-associated allele in early Neolithic Europeans” J. Burger, M. Kirchner, B. Bramanti, W. Haak, and M. G. Thomas, PNAS | March 6, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 10 | 3736-3741 http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/10/3736 The article is quite interesting and I am sure you will enjoy it and learn a good deal about evolution. |
| Date: 2008/01/01 13:10:14, Link 64.105.27.244 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
After reading a few more of the "prof" Smith posts, I would guess they are a journalism major. |
| Date: 2008/01/02 19:02:45, Link 68.164.149.59 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I wrote much of my diseration in my garden. When I taught at the Medical College of Georgia (which offered me tenure) I rarely came in before 12 noon. (I liked to work until ~4 am). The reason that "Prof" Smith is not a scientist is that they are pathetically ignorant of science. They are too chicken to post my reply to their "milk gene" bull shit. |
| Date: 2008/01/02 21:15:45, Link 68.164.149.59 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Last year I was actually thinking of doing a post doc to play out an idea I have about chriality and abiogensis. I hung around with some bio grad students for a week or so, helping them with a project. The scene seems to have become industrial- grind grind. Put me off the whole idea. |
| Date: 2008/01/05 18:03:47, Link 68.166.135.93 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I think they are merely a fraud. |
| Date: 2008/01/06 00:21:01, Link 67.101.108.244 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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They failed to grasp the meaning of the milk gene article as well. "Professor" Smith, is neither. |
| Date: 2008/01/06 17:35:01, Link 68.167.1.16 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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So far, "professor" Schmuck does not grasp basic chemistry, biology, cosmology, geology, and archaeology. I might have missed a few. They obviously lied about being a science professor. |
| Date: 2008/01/06 18:01:01, Link 68.167.1.16 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Is this just a retake on ReMine's BS? http://a-c-s.confex.com/crops/2007am/techprogram/P35998.HTM Monday, November 5, 2007 57-3 Using Mendel's Accountant to Simulate Mutation Accumulation and Genetic Load in Plants. John C. Sanford, Horticultural Sciences, Cornell University, Geneva, NY 14456, John Baumgardner, Los Alamos National Laboratory (retired), Los Alamos, NM 87545, Paul Gibson, Int'l Inst. Cooperative Studies, Cooperative Studies Inc., PO Box 12830, Overland Park, KS 66282-2830, Wes Brewer, Computer Science & Electronic Engineering, Handong Global University, Handong, South Korea, and Walter ReMine, Science & Mathematics Dept., Northwestern College, St. Paul, MN 55113. Long-standing theoretical concerns about mutation accumulation within higher organisms can now be addressed with numerical simulation. We have developed Mendel’s Accountant, which is a biologically realistic forward-time population genetics numerical simulation program. We have used this program to study mutation accumulation under a wide-range of circumstances. Using realistic estimates for the relevant biological parameters, we have investigated the rate of mutation accumulation, the distribution of the fitness effects of the accumulating mutations, and the overall effect on mean genotypic fitness. Our numerical simulations consistently show that deleterious mutations accumulate linearly across a large portion of the relevant parameter space. This appears to be primarily due to the predominance of nearly-neutral mutations. The problem of mutation accumulation becomes severe when mutation rates are high. Numerical simulations strongly support earlier theoretical and mathematical studies indicating that “genetic load” is a serious issue. Mendel's Accountant provides the opportunity to explore the relationship of mutation accumulation within the context of genetic resource preservation. Mendel also provides a practical basis for studying the basis of such things as hybrid vigor and numerous genomic evolutionary processes. Mendel's accountant can be downloaded free of charge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mendelsaccount. We welcome feedback and suggestions. |
| Date: 2008/01/07 08:08:15, Link 72.245.7.139 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Sanford, Baumgardner and ReMine are all YECs. I don't know anything about Paul Gibson, or Wes Brewer. |
| Date: 2008/01/07 09:31:59, Link 72.245.7.139 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Maybe Walt can eat at their cafeteria. |
| Date: 2008/01/07 17:28:00, Link 72.245.7.139 | ||||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||||
OOOHH OOOH PICK ME! PICK MEEE!!!!1111!! NO! NO! NO! |
| Date: 2008/01/09 12:12:15, Link 72.245.3.242 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I heard pretty much the same suggestion in an undergraduate philosophy course 35 years ago. Or maybe it was at a party. Sometimes it was hard to tell the difference. |
| Date: 2008/01/09 15:36:17, Link 72.245.3.242 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
Ah the naïve optimism of youth. The fresh bloom of newly found powers of erection that in a mere 6 decades with wither into memory. (I wonder why there are no viagra ads in women's magazines)? |
| Date: 2008/01/11 17:35:01, Link 68.166.135.28 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I never got any freaking startup money- I brought it with me. My trade up was space+better physical plant, +tenure. Who gets "startup" money? Shit, I was robbed of my startup money! Frefing bastards. Billions of frefing startup money!!!!111!!11 Billions ;) |
| Date: 2008/01/14 23:14:02, Link 72.245.85.110 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I think I'll wait for Bill to shoot his wad. |
| Date: 2008/01/15 01:03:03, Link 72.245.85.110 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
I nearly barfed laughing Thank You so much for reading the crap that the IDCs spew and spreading it out like the bloody entrails of the poor rodent that took away their brains. It is more than I can take straight. |
| Date: 2008/01/15 01:14:02, Link 72.245.85.110 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I had a girlfriend who was 5'1'' and 280lb. That was the big bang of life, my friends. She would mow these wimps down and not even notice the bumps. |
| Date: 2008/01/15 01:16:14, Link 72.245.85.110 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Oh shit! Real (unpaid) work. |
| Date: 2008/01/15 01:27:33, Link 72.245.85.110 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Editing of the next Indiana Jones movie will probably be finished in a few weeks. I don't have a nondisclosure anything. |
| Date: 2008/01/16 22:30:36, Link 72.245.3.173 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Debates with creationists are a waste of time at best. Too few scientists have bothered to learn about creationists and so they are totally unable to even comprehend what the creationists are saying. Off the top of my head, I can think of only twenty or thirty people with science, philosphy or history doctorates who have made a serious effort to understand creationism and are able to present reasoned scientific or theological arguements against it. A fair number of them were raised as children in fundamentalist homes. |
| Date: 2008/01/17 11:37:42, Link 67.101.175.219 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
This is further evidence that "smith" in neither biologist nor an IC prof. |
| Date: 2008/01/20 11:51:45, Link 67.101.105.51 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Well, I changed my photo to one from last October, but I don't see it. here is another  |
| Date: 2008/01/20 12:26:17, Link 67.101.105.51 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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That is a Ling Cod. I was helping some graduate students from Cal State Uni Long Beach. The fishes got ultrasonic transmitters and a shoulder tag, plus a boat ride to an off-shore island. We had to try not to hurt the little darlings and all the blood on my pants is my own. In three days, I caught 5 and lost 3. This one was actually shorter, but heavier. |
| Date: 2008/01/23 11:40:34, Link 67.101.109.226 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Happy B-day |
| Date: 2008/01/24 15:21:45, Link 68.164.118.19 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have a very small yard in an urban, high density neighborhood. We have been here 14 years, and I have been planting regionally local native plants since we moved bought the house. We have about 30 species of plants in the 30X20 ft yard, and 8 in a 30X5 ft front strip. The trees are 2 species of willow for upper story and insect fodder. Alan’s humming birds have nested (successful), as have crows (failed). The hummers like two species, gooseberry, and California Fuchsia, both with red hanging flowers The Gooseberry blooms from about now until June, and the fuchsia in late summer to winter. They also like the non-native bottle brush and rosemary next door. The willows also support a wood-boring beetle, many lepidoptera most obvious being the Morning cloak, but also a lot of cool moths. I have 2 species of buckwheat, and 2 evening primroses that also support a number of leps, the largest being a white lined sphinx moth. The buckwheat and a few of the various asterace feed metal marks, and marine blues. There are at least a dozen species of “lady beetles” that reproduce, and loads of other beetles (God loves beetles). And I can’t ID the spiders much, but there are about 5 orb-weaver speceis, and an assortment of others. I watched a wasp the other day provisioning her burrow with a violin spider. The wasps are another interesting population- I have watched the little killers drag around caterpillars, spiders, and whatnot. The migrant English Sparrows devastate the Morning Cloak caterpillars, and when the survivors hit the ground to disperse, the wasps and spiders take over. From about 50 chrysalii I kept an eye on, only 2 emerged. The rest were all parasitized by wasps. (I did get to watch some of the little wasps emerge, 50-60 per chrysalis). All these critters attract vertebrates. The bush tits, assorted warblers join the sparrows (including a few native species) eating insects off the trees, etc. We also are visited by downy woodpeckers occasionally. We also see orioles, tanagers, sparrow hawks, sharp shinned hawks, doves (eaten by the sharp shinned hawks). We get raccoon, skunk and opossum that wander through. Resident breeders include golden salamanders, western fence lizards and southern alligator lizards. The alligator lizards eat the salamanders as well as crickets and so on. Two years ago the lizard numbers took a bump. It turned out that the they had been found by a young king snake. I have no idea where he came from, he was quite small unlikely to have been an escaped pet. I noticed him one morning when he was trying to swallow an alligator lizard almost as large as he was. I decided I preferred lizards, and so “Elvis the King” moved to a terrarium. He is about 3 ft now, and lives up to his name (at least re: eating). I have not watered, fertilized, or used any other crap for 10 years. If everyone used native plants, we would not have nearly the environmental problems. In spite of this, the City Lawn Nazis aka “code enforcement officers” were on my ass for years for growing “weeds.” I shook them off when I received a “Registered Wildlife Habitat” sign from the National Wildlife Federation and posted it in the yard. |
| Date: 2008/01/26 21:57:29, Link 67.101.104.62 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Abbie has employed Luskin's photograph as well as can be expected without farty noises. |
| Date: 2008/01/28 12:19:48, Link 68.167.2.14 | ||||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||||
Or when it comes out your nose. |
| Date: 2008/01/31 16:03:39, Link 69.3.133.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have read both of the crap on paper, or "books," by Simmons. His latest, "Billions of Missing Links" averaged well over two errors per page, begining on page one. I missed most of the radio show, but they mentioned that it will be posted as an audio file. |
| Date: 2008/01/31 17:15:17, Link 69.3.133.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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Spring training has begun at last! That always makes me hope that a future will exist that was better than last year. My nephew reports next week. If he can only hit the damn ball this year he'll get to play next year! |
| Date: 2008/01/31 18:13:54, Link 69.3.133.55 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
| Nate Anderson. He is hanging in the Rocky's minor leagues. Very good defense player- a catcher. Needs to find a bat. |
| Date: 2008/02/01 11:24:06, Link 67.101.107.47 |
| Author: Dr.GH |
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I have had to stop the audio several times so that I could hear over my laughter. Simmons is a wonderful example of an educated nitwit. His interest in a new career as a creationist flack could be motivated by his utter inability to think clearly. |
| Date: 2008/02/01 12:24:58, Link 67.101.107.47 | ||
| Author: Dr.GH | ||
I just had the notion that Simmons is a luskin clone with a md instead of a jd. They have the same whinny reaction when they are caught lying, "He is being mean to me to call me names, wha wha whaaa." Maybe this is part of the dicko institute seceret training program for senior fellows. |
| Date: 2008/02/01 13:10:09, Link 67.101.107.47 | |
| Author: Dr.GH | |
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