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Date: 2007/01/04 13:53:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 04 2007,13:02)
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2007,12:50)
And FTK has to be an atheist sock puppet, too. I just can’t believe it. *Jaw drops*

Nope, she has her own blog:

So who should FTK get a room with?  DaveTard, Dembski, or Sal?

Date: 2007/01/12 22:04:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
fyi - You can now go to UD and do a search for "Dave is a Tard" and get a hit!  No "Davetard" however.  

Also, direct from their "Comment Moderation Policy""

"The main thing to remember is that moderators are editors and it’s their job to make people’s words disappear before anyone else sees them."

Good job geniuses... I always wondered what an editor's main job was!

Kristine - I think you can do better.. On the new UD website, Dembski's skinny designed pencil-neck was used for the model for the flagellum whip graphic.  I would wager a single-malt bottle of scoitch that other parts of his body are also excessively skinny and small.  HTH

Date: 2007/01/16 11:15:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Faid @ Jan. 16 2007,10:53)
healthy beautiful youthful human bodies

Ooooohkay, the creepy factor at UD just went up a level.


Creepy, Haggerd-like yes... but at least they are not conjuring up  images of Dave Scott in all his pitted, cheetos-stained t-shirted wonder!

Date: 2007/01/16 13:56:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 16 2007,13:38)
It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

Date: 2007/01/16 15:25:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 16 2007,14:06)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 16 2007,14:56)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 16 2007,13:38)
It's just generally a good idea to keep the tone of the place such that it doesn't turn people off.

If it;s such a good idea, then why are there still Tards at UD?

I'm not sure what you mean.

Ooops - Sorry it took so long to get back, but unlike DaveScot, I have to occasssionally do some work...

My "Why are there still tard?" comment was a crude attempt to play off the old "why are there still monkeys" creatonist line.  Sorry for the confusion.  Yes, it could have been expressed better.  A "poor design" if may say...

Actually I do agree, best not to stoop to Joe G's level, but dammit we DO have to protect Kristine, right?  Although she seems pretty darn tough to me.  In a hawt, good way.  Help me out of this hole I've dug for myself please!!!!

Date: 2007/01/19 15:49:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
From the latest from Pensacola:
10 years for 'Dr. Dino'


Michael Stewart

Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind was sentenced Friday afternoon to 10 years in prison on charges of tax fraud.

After a lengthy sentencing hearing that last 5 1/2 hours, U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers ordered Hovind also:

-- Pay $640,000 in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service.

-- Pay the prosecution’s court costs of $7,078.

-- Serve three years parole once he is released from prison.

Hovind’s wife, Jo Hovind, also was scheduled to be sentenced. Rodgers postponed her sentencing until March 1 to allow her defense attorney an opportunity to argue possible discrepancies in sentencing guidelines.

Prior to his sentencing, a tearful Kent Hovind, also known as "Dr. Dino" asked for the court’s leniency.

“If it’s just money the IRS wants, there are thousands of people out there who will help pay the money they want so I can go back out there and preach,” Hovind said.

Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty in November of 58 federal counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faced a maximum of 288 years in prison.

Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements and faces a maximum of 225 years in prison.

Kent Hovind, who is incarcerated in the Escambia County Jail, will be assigned to a prison by the Bureau of Prisons. Rodgers recommended Kent Hovind be sent to the prison at Saufley Field in Pensacola so he will be close to his family.

It will be up to the Bureau of Prisons, however, to make that determination.

In November, a jury found Creation Science Evangelism founder Kent Hovind guilty on 58 federal counts, including failing to pay $845,00 in employee-related taxes.

Hovind's wife, Jo Hovind, also was convicted in 44 of the counts involving bank-reporting requirements.

A federal clerk said Thursday U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers will sentence the Hovinds at 9 a.m. today.

Kent Hovind, who has remained in custody at an undisclosed location since his conviction, faces a maximum of 288 years in prison. Jo Hovind could be sentenced to up to 225 years in prison. She has remained free pending sentencing.[B][/B]

Date: 2007/01/19 20:37:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Any bets of single-malt scotch on what the take will be by DaveScott and teh rubes at UD?  Will Dave Spring to action like he did with the "Marines Forbidden To Pray Fiasco"?!  That was GREAT!  Can he re-create, I mean design the tard for us?

Also worth considering, does, Ken Ham play "adopt-a-dino" and promise to pray with and take care of all of Dr. Dino's dinos?  Maybe the same thing will happen to Ham?

It must be some plan of Fred and Barney's that backfired against Hovind.  That's the REAL "elephant in the room" that no one wants to talk about...the perils of men and dinos living together.  We can only hope that the same will happen to Ham.  


Hovind, you ignorant slut, what did you think would happen?!

BWA ha ha!

COME ON HOMO DAVETARD!  Ride to his rescue!

Date: 2007/01/19 20:44:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Since DaveScott is so sensitive, will he ride to  the rescue of Kent Hovind, like he did with the "Marines Forbidden To Pray" scam?  That was tard for the ages, and I hope he still has it in him.   Any single-malt bettors out there with thoughts on what spin the Dave-meister will give this?
No, not you Dembski... you welsh on your bets, so shut up.

Date: 2007/01/22 10:24:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Congratulation Doc.  Wish I could do the same, but job worries  hold me back. My kids and wife have gotten spoiled, and they expect food on a regular basis, which takes money.   Not to mention a terrible stage fright...   If my employer knew of my REAL thoughts about Evo, DI etc, I would be unemployed.   (That's why the generic name BTW).

Good luck to you on future talks, and even if Lenny is 100% right, and I am not totally convinced, I think we should do everything we can to battle the DaveScots and Dembskis of the world.

Date: 2007/01/23 14:47:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
I believe the "REAL Question" should be: In a Battle of the Tards, who would win?

a.) DaveScott
b.) Casey Luskin

Please compare and contrast.  Please leave DaveScott's "Unnatural Love For Another Man", Dembski, out of the equation, as this HOMO love should not interfere with your discussion.  Unless, of course, you ARE a homo.

Let me begin.  In my book, they are equi-tards. However, as DaveScott has @ 5,000 tard- post lead over Young Luskin, you have to give the nod (or slap upside the head) to DS, becasue of his body of work.  Certainly NOT because of his body, such as it is, due to the preponderance of cheesey-poofs ingested over the course of his amassing his millionaire status.

Luskin however, will, in my opinion, be the bigger tard over time, as he has his hand on the ....well, call it "pulse", of the DI, and I believe his essential weasle essence will develop over time.  You can already see he is a suck-up, and a brown-noser.  

I believe it will help to visualize: Luskin closely resembles "Greg Marmalade",  the brown-nosing Frat character on Animal House, where as DaveScott is closer to Niedermayer, the ROTC frat-jerk in Animal House that was fragged by his own men in Viet Nam after he graduated.

I think the discussion of which of these tards would win a locked-cage match , where only the winner comes out alive could be a entire thread on it's own.

It could be even more fun to speculate whether Dave's arteries will clog from cheesy-poofs first, or Casey Luskin asphixiate from his head up his glutious maximus first.

Date: 2007/01/23 15:07:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Okay, I am new to here, but have posted on Science Blogs and Pandas Thumb for @ year.  

Born in Ohio, lived in Boston, Milwaukee, and now market and live in the Chicago suburbs.

I played guitar for beer and tips in college in the '70's, studied Anthropology, girls, ran the university bone lab and dug up bundle burials at Middle Woodland sites.

My daughter plays fullback for a large midwestern university rugby team, and we get to watch her play ocasionally.  She scored a try against the Irish Army Rugby team.  Who kew the Irish had an Army?  Watch out England!

Date: 2007/01/23 18:21:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Speaking of Rugby, I forgot to thank the poster that linked to the UTube video of Masters v Students Rugby Match!  I sent it to my daughter,and she thought it was great too.  I would guess it's on quite a few more play lists now.  Something else Rugby fans might enjoy:


English Rugby Match Momentarily Stopped For Dead Player

SURREY, ENGLAND--An exciting, fast past Rugby match between Sutton & Epson RFC and the Thanet Wanderers was momentarily interrupted by the death of one of the players. Officials, acting quickly, rolled the dead man off the field and action was promptly resumed.

“It’s unfortunate that this had to happen,” said Sam Frost of S & E. “Especially at such a crucial moment in the match. But this is a violent game, and occasionally you’re going to have disruptions. I think the medical staff did a superb job of removing the corpse quickly.”

The dead player was identified as the Wanderer’s Tom Anderson, a halfback. According to those present, he was decapitated while at the bottom of a nasty scrum. His death was brought to the attention of officials when one of the players mistook his head for the ball.

Said Lyndon Burrell of S & E: “I was at the bottom of the pile and I was grasping for the ball. Suddenly I felt something round in my hand. I thought it was the ball. Turns out it was a human head. I showed it to the referee and he decided to pause the game. I’m not sure why, but who am I to question the refs?”

Many rugby fans and players questioned the stoppage of play. Rugby is a faced past game, and normally injured players are ignored or stepped on until they can summon up the strength to get back up and join the match. Recently though, rugby officials have been under fire for the number of crippling injuries that occur during match play. Some have questioned the practice of leaving a clearly injured player on the field while other players step on him, kick him, and trip over him. It is believed that referees were responding to such pressure when they made the controversial decision to stop play.

Says referee Paul Windsor: “It was a difficult decision, but the other referees and I decided it was in the best interests of the deceased player to remove him and his severed head from the playing field. Aside from it being in poor taste to allow a dead man to litter the field during a crucial match, it is also dangerous for the other players, who run the risk of tripping over the corpse and hurting themselves. We stand by our decision.”

But some rugby purists disagree with the decision to halt play. They say the stoppage of play was jut another example of the “sissying-up” of the game, and that it never would have happened in the old days.

“When I was a kid, if someone died on the field, his teammates grabbed him by the ankles and dragged him off,” said Lyle Montgomery, 63, rugby fan. “There was none o’ this girlish fretting about bad taste or scruples. The sport has gone downhill. Leave the ‘team doctors’, and ‘trainers’ to American football. Before you know it, teams will have to provide compensation to the deceased players’ families. Bollocks!”

As for the Wanderers, they are despondent over their teammate’s death but are a bit more understanding of the refs decision to halt play.

“I understand the decision to stop play,” said teammate Robert Dengate, “I think that there should be a rule about dead players. They do get in the way, and its awfully depressing to see them lying there all puffed out, isn’t it. But we’ll miss the old geezer, that’s for sure”

Said teammate Joe Hodges: “It’s a shame to see Tom go, but he went out doing what he loved best – having his head pulled off in a rugby scrum and mistaken for a football.”

Despite the fact that the play was stopped briefly, the momentum and excitement continued in a game that saw the Wanderers edge Sutton & Epson 20-18. By the end of the match, the Cuddington court crowd had all but forgotten about the unfortunate accident.

“That was a great match!” cried Phillip Morganton, 32. “Very competitive, but there was a spot of confusion there when that man lost his head, wasn’t there? Can’t say I approved of the stoppage of play, but the important thing was the Wanderers won”

Thought it appears a crisis has been averted by the stoppage of play, the league is under fire from government officials for its recurring problem of death and injuries during games. Experts complain that clubs’ rosters are being seriously depleted and there is no apparatus in place to compensate for the losses.

“We had three men paralyzed last week,” says league official Hugh Bronson. “And now a death. Meanwhile, who fills the roster spot for that club? There must be compensation for teams that lose players. But there also needs to be better procedures for avoiding death, dismemberment and paralysis. If they had stopped play before Anderson’s head was pulled off, they might’ve saved him. But they waited too long, didn’t they. Also, is it too much to ask to have Band-Aids on hand to treat injured players on the sideline? We’re not brutes are we?”

Date: 2007/01/24 10:01:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 24 2007,04:40)
From Louis:

Given my extreme dislike of the deludedly dishonest, I worry that I might flip over into a homicidal killing spree should I read too much UD and climb up a tall tower with a very powerful rifle and start shooting people screaming "THERE'S A TARD!!! THERE'S A TARD!!!!". Either that or because this tard resembles crack I would become hopelessly addicted, suckling at the teat of tard and wasting into a deep tardoma.

What are your strategies for coping with such a tardslaught on a regular basis? Do you wear special tardproof clothing? Do you make ysure your bowels are evacuated prior to reading so that the shit from the Tardsource you are ingesting mentally doesn't cause your colon to rupture?

Enquiring mind want to know.

Louis -

Louis - I find it helpful to do some real work first, then flip over to read the tardations here.  Too much tard IS addictive, IMO, so I try to limit myself.  I too seldom go directly to UD, as this site is a great "Tard Filter", if you will pardon the expression.  

Usually, only the "Tardiest of the Tard" get posted here,  and that limits my Tard-Rage, which is a good thing, so I am not tempted to take more Christmas Wreathes from random houses.

I am sure that we are all here, united in our dislike of tard, yet we all handle the tard imput diferently.  I have begun to work on what I think will be a seminal work in this yet unexplored area, that may yet prove to link all trad to a common starting point.  The working title will be "On The Origin Of Tardations", and as I write this today, hope to come up with a formula to properly reflect the insipid and insideous comments emmanating from our UD source.

For some reason however, I keep thinking I need to make a voyage around the world first...

Date: 2007/01/24 10:21:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2007,07:32)
my earlier post(s) extorting Dumbski to actually do some work got me thinking. What  does he do all day at work?
8.30 AM. Get up
9.30 AM. Get to work
9.31 AM. Turns out Goddit all along.
9.32 AM - 5.30PM ????

what does the man do?

This just in from the Secret ID Decoder WebCam located in the basement of William Denbski's  Southern Baptist University Secret ID Research Lab / closet:

9:32 am - Kisses picture of self.  Slips it the tongue
9:33 am - Kisses picure of DaveScott.  Slips it the tongue, slowly, just the way he likes it.
9:34 am- Goes to restroom, clutching picture of Denyse O'Leary.
9:35 am- Cleans up vomit from floor of restroom.
9:36 am- Reads Bible.
11:00 am- Goes to lunch.  Eats another shit sandwich.
1:00 pm - Back from lunch
1:05 pm - Calls DaveScott in TX, just to hear his voice.  Breathes heavy, then hangs up.
1:06 - Puts paper bag over his head and puts on rubber gloves. Calls Deneys and hangs up after she answers.
1:07 - Calls Anne Coulter, and begs her to come visit again, and bring the leather outfit and restraints she used on him last time.  Anne threatens to spank him.
1:08 - Goes to bathroom clutching DaveScotts picture
1:10 - Goes back to office to read more scientific research from the Bible.
5:00 Leaves office after another satisfaction-filled day researching ID for The Lord.

Date: 2007/01/25 10:11:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Ed Brayton at Science Blogs jumps on the Tardman too -

Worth looking at the comment by a REAL combat vet, Scot A.  I invited Scot A over here, hope you don't mind.

Date: 2007/01/25 13:16:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 24 2007,10:08)
All this talk of rugby has got me thinking.

TO has occasional Howlerfests (meetings of TO regulars) so named after a famous kook effectively called TOers a bunch of howler monkeys.

Since we've been referred to by the Tard as Church Burning Ebola Boys I hereby propose that all ATBC meet ups are Ebolafests (including the one just gone in Seattle if people are amenable to the neologism).

So two Points of Order:

1) The membership will vote on the name Ebolafest for ATBC booze meets.

2) I propose a UK Ebolafest in London in the coming months/weeks/minutes. All amenable UK Ebolas please respond with times, dates, beer preferences, likelihood of attending, and blood type. If any Foreign Ebolas are in the UK in the near future it could be combined with a ChurchBurn (a neologism for a Roast) in their honour.

What say you fellows?


Louis et al:

re:   Your Invite and Discussion

1.) Thank you for invite, I am in midwest USA area, though I am reminded of Groucho Marx's famous line that he wouldn't want to belong to any club that would want him as a member.

2.) Not sure I like "Ebola Boy or Ebolafest. Call me crazy, but  "Ebolafest" conjurs up images of starving, black Africans... this puts me right off my feed, and would probably make me morose when drinking.

Other names for your consideration would be
Tard-Killers (There's a cheery image), and we would meet  at a Springer-Free Zone, or a No-Tard Zone

The I Can't Believe How Stupid Dembski & DaveScot Are Group, a meetting could be a Dembski Demolition Day.
(And who doesn't like a little alliteration?)

The FUDS (Fuck You Dembski & Springer), would meet at at a Fudfest, where we do our best to fuck over Dembski and Tard's plans and pitiful postings. Just like everyday is a fudsfest here.

Comments and retorts please.

Date: 2007/01/25 13:48:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 25 2007,13:18)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 25 2007,12:50)
This old classic never loses its flavor:

Ah.... good times!


To everyone who’s pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to - that’s hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant’s sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google that.

HOO RAH! Semper Fi!


As I was watching the Democratic response to President Bush’s State Of The Union speech tonight Senator Jim Webb played the United States Marine card[ three times (for himself, his brother, and his son all Marines). I take it personally when someone does that.

Aaaaahhhhh... That's the stuff!

Arden - Thank you for posting to this excellent Summer Memory - It will ALWAYS be linked to my memories of 2006.  And the VERY BEST thing, is that someting equally dumb, or even dumber could erupt from him like a zit on prom night AT ANY TIME.  

This guy HAS to be worth at least a PhD to someone lucky enough to get a grant to study him, and answer the questions we all would like to know the answers to, such as:
1.) Is there anyone dumber with an IQ of 15o +?
2.) How stupid can anyone person be?
3.) Can we run a cross check with his DNA and Neadertal DNA and see what, if any variation exists?
4.) What species is he?
5.) How long has he been in love with Bill Dembski?
6.) Is it True Love, or just a school boy crush?
7.) Was he really a Marine?  If so, what country?
8.) Has he ever met a donut he didn't like?
9.) Are Cheesy Poofs just a comfort food for DaveTard, or is it an obsession?
10). Was he born a moronic bully, or did he have to work at it?

Enquiring Minds Want To Know

Date: 2007/01/25 14:24:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 25 2007,13:44)
Ok EbolaFest not hot.


The point is to take the insult directed at us by UDers and turn it into an amusing beer soaked tard mocking session.


Personally, I would like to burn all churches.  That said, "Churchburningfest" conjures up images of KKK in full regalia, burning black churches, and about the ONLY thing dumber than a DaveTard, is an inbred, KKK cretin.

Is DarwinistFest too akward?  EvolutionistFest?

Date: 2007/01/25 15:15:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ Jan. 25 2007,14:47)
Surely using one of daves insults is making too much of him?  
Cant we use someone else's, preferably someone more intelligent thand DAve, and thus make him jealous?

Guthrie is right.  With all the beautifully stupid things that IDist have said, why limit ourselves?  Yes To Free Lunch springs to mind.  Of course we would have to be a little carefull, as Behe's book could be misconstrued on several diffrent levels...

Date: 2007/01/26 09:52:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 26 2007,09:46)
The mice were doing ID research?

Yes... They were irresistably drawn to the Cheesy Poof crumbs dropped by Noted Research Armchair Warrior/Scientist DaveTard Springer.

Date: 2007/01/26 10:14:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 26 2007,09:48)
Interesting comment. Especially the Q&A.


Maybe I will have to break down and actually post on UD... It would go something like this:

I get so choked up about your knowledge and posts Dave, it's almost like if I were smoking too much, like in the old days, when cigarettes used to have a lot of nicotene, and what's the other ingredient- was it TAR-Darn,  I sure wish they didn't.

TARdnation, I wish I could remember.  Keep up all the posting, Dave,

Date: 2007/01/26 11:27:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Renier - Good show, old chap.

In REAL English, this means  Fuck Yeah, way to kick some Creo-Butt.

Date: 2007/01/26 14:35:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 26 2007,13:26)
Whoa, I've been gone a while. I didn't realize a picture of Dave had been revealed.

Afarensis - Didn't you get the memo?  ID is about science, ID is NOT about the region... and here you go saying that DaveTard has been "Revealed" !

What else has been revealed to you?!  

Please share with the class!

Enguiring Minds Want To Know!

Date: 2007/01/26 14:39:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Holy Jeebus, I got to slow down and check my work!

Ahem "Religion!  ID is not about the Religion!

and Inquiring Minds Want To Know...

Oh who the hewll cares...

Date: 2007/01/26 20:17:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Hey Dr. Hunter, since you are a DI fellow, maybe you can respond for Casey Luskin, or ask Casey Luskin to explain why he is so upset with The Flying Spaghetti Monster, seeing as how the DI is not about religion, it is all about science?

Date: 2007/01/26 20:35:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think "Dr. Hunter" is a scam.  Could be it's TardBoy.  I just find it hard to believe that a PhD would link to a tarded coloring book!  Even if he is at Biola University.  Could it be more Street Theater from the Master Baiter Dembski Himself?

ps:  Phonon - Great Avatar!

Date: 2007/01/26 20:46:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Are we sure this is Dr. Hunter?  Could it really be DaveTard, or the MasterBaiter himself Dembski, pulling a little more "street theater"?  Hard to believe that a PhD would link to a coloring book... even if he is with Biola University.  

He's been awfully quiet... too quiet.  Could it be we chased ou new toy away?  Did he retreat to the DI lair to lick his wounds?  Did he retreat to a UD blog, where the moderators can protect him from the harsh reality of real questions?

Inquiring Minds Want To Know!

Date: 2007/01/29 10:26:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 29 2007,09:51)
It's hard to know what DaveScot means here.

Unless he's calling someone a homo, or banning them, it is ALWAYS hard to know what DaveScott means...

Date: 2007/01/29 21:40:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
(Dembskius Ignoramus Americanus)

Well, something's not working right, I guess it's me, so my picture of Bill The Beaver will be lost.  Darn, that vermin was ugly too.

I will ty again another time.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled post.

Date: 2007/02/01 14:33:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Oh right.  You're all so upset.  At least you don't have people making fun of you all the time.  Walk a mile in my cave before you complain...

Date: 2007/02/01 14:55:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's just come to my attention that everyone on this board is all picking on my little brother DaveScott.  

Well isn't that just great.  We bring you fire, culture and the basis of your pathetic life you call civilization,  and this is what we get.  I am getting just a little bit tired of it.  And this time you will not be able to buy me off with the roast duck with mango salsa.  I've lost my appetite.

He calls me every day you know, and cries, real tears just like you.  He wants to be smart like you, but he knows he is just not, and he just gets so frustrated!  He lashes out, because he wants to be so much like you all, and he just can't do it.  

His "IQ of 150+"?  It's really 15.  His "work at Dell"? Sweeping the floors... If only you knew how much he wants to be like you!  

And I gave him that "Word Of The Day Calendar", so he can use big words like k.e. and Louis too... even if he doesn't always know what they mean, it doesn't mean you have to make fun of him.  Does It?  Don't you think he got enough teasing back in grade school?  How would you all like it if you had to repeat 2nd grade... 4 times!

How would you like it if you had to spend more than $100 clams a week on depilatories to keep hair off you back to try and fit in?  Well just be a little more thoughtful of those not as fortunate as yourselves from now on, okay?

Date: 2007/02/01 20:15:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, under the new "Civility Run Amuck Policy", or CRAP, we can no longer link Man MusTARD and DaveTARD?  

Can we still link DaveTard's fervid verbal outpourings with a Big Pile of Smelly Human Feces?

Can we still link Dr. Dembski with weasels, or is that tooo much of an insult to weasels?

Guidelines!  We MUST have guidelines!

Inquiring Minds Want To Know!

Date: 2007/02/02 12:34:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 02 2007,10:27)
Does he always wear starched cotton shirts with a suit and tie, or does he slop around in sweaters occasionally? Does he snore? Does he smell like cinnamon? Hmmm, so many research projects, so little time. :D

Kristine - EEEWWWWWWW !! Total yuck that you could even think of this, let alone subject us to these ugly, viscious word pictures!  (Please see the Civility Thread, where we are not allowed to assult other posters).  

He wears starched and ironed shorts, and acts a lot like "Frank Burns" the annoying charcter from M*A*S*H that noboody liked, just as nobody likes him.

Dembski drools, and wipes his constantly running nose with his slimey fingers (That's why people in the know won't shake hands with him BTW).

He does NOT smell like cinamon, he smells like DaveScott and Man Mustard, if you'll pardon my French.

The only research project Dembski knows how to pursue involves looking for ID answers in either the Old or New Testaments.

In the future, PLEASE, I beg you, spare us anymore of your savage visual imagry of the pencil-necked geek also known as Dr. Dembski.

Thank you.

Date: 2007/02/02 12:43:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
BTW Kristine - I just re-read my last post, and it looks much more strident now, than when I wrote it.  So, since I am newhere, I think i should add this and say that, just in case you didn't know, I really like to kid around, and your post was an excuse to dump on Denbski, which I always enjoy doing.  I always enjoy your Musings, and Shimmies, so there!

Date: 2007/02/02 15:54:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Headline:  DaveScott Getting Hit with a cluestick at Science Blogs!

For your reading enjoyment, the Tard Strikes out on his own, outside his cozy UD nest environment, and gets smacked upside the head by reality...

This is fun, and tardelicious!

Date: 2007/02/03 20:04:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 03 2007,11:28)
Dembski talking about scientists not accepting ID (please turn down your irony meters now):

The mountains of evidence [for ID] are already there. The problem is that evidence is itself inherently hermeneutical, influenced by cognitive predispositions to interpret certain types of data as supporting/confirming certain types of conclusions.

Oh Crap.  Dembski found his Thesaurus again.

Come on people, darn it... you should know better.  Now I am going to have to go all Shaolin on his butt and take it away from him again.  "Cognitive Predisposition" this  you ID wedgie'd mo-fo.  

And by the way, Bill,  you can kiss my "inherently hermeneutical" gluteus maximus.

Date: 2007/02/05 11:28:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 05 2007,11:05)
I guess I should be relieved that you spared me your recipe for blueberry pie.

Avo's recipe for blueberry pie would likely consist solely of long-refuted criticisms of your blueberry pie recipe.

Coming from Avo, wouldn't her recipe for blueberry pie consist soley of long- refuted criticisms of apple pie?[B]

Date: 2007/02/06 08:34:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
How come WAD and DaveScott haven't commented on the Templeton Foundation blasting them?

Date: 2007/02/06 10:21:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ Feb. 06 2007,09:24)
Just to emphasise how small a world this is, I found Dave Scot talking about his dieting techniques here:

Its a blog run by "For the kids", a well known anti-evolution entity.
Also on the same thread is someone calling themselves "Sparky", who has been playing in a pro-ID blog in the UK, and making themselves look a bit foolish.

Thanks For The Link... I think...

"aka...Forthekids said...
Oh - my -'s really davescot.


Jeebus, these two need to get a room!  What an ugly picture... Hippos in rut... EEEEEEEWWWW!

I just can't decide which picture is worse - Kristine's ugly sick perverted, dominatrix lust for WAD, or FTK's ugly hippo - jelly donut -lust for DaveScott.  

Maybe someone over at UD can design a filter that will help with this?

Kristine? Put down that "Flagellum Whip"... a little help maybe?

Date: 2007/02/06 13:01:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
CONFIDENTIAL!  Intercepted and decoded from Dave Springer's Mom

Dave, are you posting again?  You STOP that young man, right now!  If I told you once I tolt you a thousand times (gee, 1000, get it?  huh?) you need to get off that #### Dell computer and get a real job.  Davey are you listening?  Say goodbye to all your nice imaginary friends right now.

Your father and I are ashamed to bring you up at the Church Socials anymore, and that nice Miss Bessy, is asking about you again you know!  You need to stop eating all those Cheesy Poofs and lose 40 pounds right now young man, your father and I are not going to be here forever, and Bessy would be very good for you, she looks so nice in that polka-dotted canvas sack, I mean "dress".  That's a "lot of woman to love" Davey, (@ 350 lbs is what that your uncle the Carnival Barker guesses) and you are not getting any younger.  Or smarter.  

Why can't you get a nice steady job like your uncle, or that nice Mr. Dembski fellow that visits you?  I declare Davey, you and Mr. Dembski are not going to be allowed to have anymore Pajama Party's anymore, if you don't start behaving!  And I am not going to clean your sticky sheets anymore either, Mr.  Do you hear me Davey?

But seriously, CONGRATULATIONS Richard on Post #1,000.  Anyone that can out Tard DaveScott is a hero in my book, and when I grow up I want to be just like you!  KEEP ON TARDING DUDE!

Date: 2007/02/06 15:50:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
I was lucky enough to get a picture of Dave with his new ID Thinking Cap on.

Date: 2007/02/07 08:17:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Fractatious @ Feb. 07 2007,04:48)
Dave (in disguise), at the Atheist Rally attempting to infiltrate and expose Evolution. He would of been totally unrecognisable if not for the over exaggerated "oooh"

I dunno Fractatious, even in disguise Dave would NEVER look this intelligent...

Date: 2007/02/07 14:16:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 07 2007,12:58)

I don't think that's DaveTard... This person is too thin, and no Cheesy Poofs are in the picture.  

I think what you have found instead is a photo of Little Billy Dembski at the high school picnic doing some early ID research.  The tinfoil hat is to cover the "swirley" he was given earlier by a couple of 8th graders from the Darwin Club.  Those "girls" in the background are laughing about the rash they are about to give him in the poisen-ivy laden woods.  

He will wander back to the camp without his pants, all the other kids will laugh at him even more, and Little Billy will vow to get even with everyone in the world that doesn't like him.  

Thanks for finding the picture, it explains so much.

Date: 2007/02/08 07:58:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 07 2007,20:09)
He has nowhere else to go.

yes, that's fact, but let's be clear:  that's not why WD40 took him back.

I would like to hear this story.  Spill your guts please, before DaveScott doesz it for you!

Date: 2007/02/08 10:28:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 08 2007,09:46)
Poor DaveScot.  First, he was betrayed by Judge Jones. Now, he is being stabbed in the back by George W. Bush hisself:

Man, I would love to be a fly on the wall as DaveScott tries to explain to the Secret Service that he didn't REALLY threaten the President when he posted:
"Say goodbye to GWB - You're out of here homo"
I think those Secret Service guys have the same kind of sense of humor as Airport Security have...

Date: 2007/02/09 08:04:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 09 2007,07:13)
NEWSFLASH:  Theologian critiques scientist!

NEWS FLASH: Dembski Quote Mines on UD!

I followed your link, thank you, and realized that "somehow" the part of the quote that explains why  Dembski is a fraud, is missing from the UD website!  

Dembski quoted just enough of the response to outrage the sycophants and believers, leaving out the "money quotes".   And speaking of believers, the words that Dembski put on UD are actually not even a post by a  DePaul University Religious Studies Assistant Professor, but the Professors response to an ID backer attacking him for supporting ID!  It must REALLY bother old Bill, when it seems that "one of his own" turns on him...even though ID is NOT about religion...

Sorry Kristine, but sooner or later, old WAD is going to to explode or go postal, trying to keep all his lies straight.

Full quote is as follows:

You¹re probably referring to the pseudo-mathematical posturings of William
Dembski. Dembski is a fraud whom nobody should take seriously. Here¹s why:
Dembski¹s model of ³specified complexity² assumes that when attempting to
determine the likelihood of a given pattern coming about randomly, that you
have the pattern in mind from the outset. In other words, that evolution is
a teleological process. But evolution is NOT teleological. It is not more
unlikely, from a mathematical perspective, that, say, an eye should develop
from a process of natural selection than that some other arbitrary result
should take place. It¹s only mathematically unlikely because you are
separating this singular event (i.e., the one that took place), from the
billions of other equally singular events that COULD have taken place, but
didn¹t. Those events were equally unlikely. PROSPECTIVELY, any one of them
could have occurred. It¹s only RETROSPECTIVELY that we look at the one that
did and say it¹s unlikely.

Any mathematician worth his salt knows this. Indeed, it¹s been pointed out
to Dembski. He chooses to ignore it, and that is what makes him a fraud.

Second, on the subject of ³chance.² Rhetoric alone is not argument, and
accusing evolutionary theories of ³linguistic desperation² is not a
demonstration that this is what¹s going on. I can only assume you mean the
arguments of people like Richard Dawkins, who argue, quite cogently, that
evolution is not ³random² in the same way that say, drawing letters from a
bag for scrabble is random. On the contrary, there is a mechanism that
governs the process of evolution, namely, adaptation to environment.
Variations that contribute to survival (and reproduction) are favored and
variations that don¹t are disfavored. Evolution is not, therefore, random
but follows a comprehensible pattern. But, and this is key, the pattern is
not determined by an outside consciousness (at least, from the limited
perspective of what science is competent to investigate), but it is
determined by the environmental effects on species, their abilities to
adapt, and their ability to pass those adaptive qualities on to successive

So you¹re right: ³chance,² in the scrabble drawing sense, is ³preposterous.²
It is equally preposterous to propose that this is what evolution theorizes.
Again, Dembski should know this, and so should Hick. If you¹re relying on
them, you¹ve hitched your wagon to a falling star.

> Now, fellow-confessors, why should we continue to let our children be in
> trouble (with transcendence being deprived of intellectual respectability)?
> Should not this intellectually fraudulent, disrespectfull, & disrespectable
> pseudo-science be in trouble--trouble caused by the likes of us?

I am all for causing trouble for the purveyors of pseudo-science, Willis.
And that¹s why I¹ll go to the mat to keep the ³intellectually fraudulent,
disrespectful, and disrespectable pseudoscience² of Intelligent Design out
of biology classrooms, where it has nothing to offer but obscurantism and



Scott Paeth, PhD.
Assistant Professor of Religious Studies
DePaul University
(773) 325-4447


Date: 2007/02/09 09:42:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Calling Richard...

Can you please channel your alter-ego and find out what Dembski's Dumbdog, I mean Builldog has to say about this?  If he is actually man enough to do it, I mean.  And could he please tell us what happened to him and Bill when they were eating that Snickers Bar?

Date: 2007/02/09 14:58:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 09 2007,14:41)
(BTW, do the extraneous superscripts in the snippet add information to the piece? Discuss.)  :)

Ooops... Unlike Your Dembski, and your love... I mean lust for Dembski, my posting skills are not perfectly designed.  That extraneous junk came over when I did the cut and paste from the DePaul Prof's website.  I should have re-read better before I posted.

I will have to rework my model to make sure my results in the future are more inline with the high standards set by all the other posters here.  

Just don't ask me to go over to UD and try to meet with their pathetic level of denial.

Date: 2007/02/09 15:28:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 09 2007,14:31)
Sooner or later, they gotta plunk something out that's a winner. As for me, I'm waiting for O'Leary to carve "noun + verb" with a heart on her virtual tree.

So, who will O'Leary carve her initials with on the tree...  The manly man DaveScott, or girly-man Buffalo Bill Dembski?  Sponge-Troutmac?  Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell?  EEEEWWWW! I disgust myself!  Jerry and Pat TOGETHER??!! - I am going to hurl!!!

Pulling for you,'s almost Valentine's Day. Coherence or bust.

In honor of Anna Nicole,  I choose "Bustier" too!

Date: 2007/02/09 15:35:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 09 2007,15:15)
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 09 2007,15:07)
" Davey, tell me"
" What?"
" Like you've done before."
" Like what?"
" About them- about the mushrooms. Come on Davey, tell me like you've done before! Please-please-please."

points for those who know the name of my favorite author from whence this comes, and the name of the book (meh, it's an easy one).

Far too easy.

John Steinbeck  "Of Mice and Men"

Dazam... and I thought it was Behe's Black Soul, or "Tarded:  My Story, by David Waldo Scotty Springer

Date: 2007/02/09 21:03:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
See you here soon!


Cavemans Crib

Date: 2007/02/10 13:52:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thanks for coming...  
Personally, my favorite is the topics on the laptop.  Hope you all have fun.  If the cops try to close us down again, RUN FOR IT!

BTW DaveScott- you are recognized as "one of us", so yeah, we got your Cheesy Poofs.  So Davey, even though you don't really measure up IQ wise with us, we think you have the caveman spirit thing down, and of course your thinking skills are definitely back in the Stone Age... but tha's okay dude.  Thats why we invented psychotherapy and calls to Mom.

Date: 2007/02/10 14:10:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 10 2007,10:17)
Somebody watch this Casey Luskin video Ed's talking about, and let us know how it is. I can't watch it. Last year I saw 10 minutes of Casey on C-SPAN and further Casey exposure would cause my eyes to roll so hard I'd risk spraining them.

I got halfway through the darned video, now  I want a prize!  

ps:  Casey looks a pretty small on the video... could Casey be a Homo  floresiensis?  He certainly looks microcephaloc to me... I am just saying....

Date: 2007/02/10 14:23:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 10 2007,13:55)
OK, dumb question:

did you do this, or are you simply pointing us to it, JD?

if you did it yourself...


I only WISH I could do this... No, I found this last night while cruising around... I had to do something while waiting for you all to post again, and BINGO... fell into it.

It's been a while since I hosted a good party, and thought that maybe Kristine might stop by... WITHOUT Bill, and maybe you know, things would go on from there?

So, thanks for the good thought, but no way.  It's like I can recognize good art, but I can't draw a straight line...

I just realized that maybe this is a USA vs Brits/World thing...   so to explain in more detail:

There is an auto insurance co called GEICO, that recently started a series of ads featureing cavemen, that were insulted by GEICO saying "it's so easy to switch, even a caveman could do it".  For more of their ads, see below link.  I liked the ads, used the star caveman as my avatar, and so when I found this link, I figureed some of you all might like the diversion while we are all waiting for DaveScott or Dembski to say more stupid things.


Caveman Geico link

Date: 2007/02/12 12:36:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ Feb. 10 2007,20:20)
Do you think DT gets the whole smart casual thing?

Sure maybe he can cook a mushroom and knows what paprika is but would he go for the atmospheric techno and have 2 girls calling him on the same night? J&K don't count, sorry.

Yeah OK the uni-brow is a pretty unique look and might get you invited to a c-list Caribbean hideaway but DT fixes his own carburetors so I'm guessing his houseboat galley table smells of gas and has dents.

The thought of him showing up at one of the fab fives clothing outlets looking for a few outfits that are easy to get off in a hurry in a  broom cupboard just doesn't gel.

Still we could invite him and tell him its a mechanics institute ball, that way at least he would ditch the smelly T-shirt. When he arrives invite him to play a game of catch the Cheesy Poof.

....J-Dog I was slightly bewildered at first (not that uncommon but I felt like a creationist for a second) it all made sense when I saw the TV advert on the vitual TV on the TV...oh never mind.

k.e. - If DaveScott DID actually have the balls to show up outside his little warm UD nest, he would be trashed, and stomped as usual.  If he showed up at the Geico Caveman's crib, he would probably be tossed from the 15th floor balcony - cavemen can be so cruel when one doesn't measure up... and they wouldn't want to bring in delaTARDious genes into the pool.

ps:  Don't spoil it:  The promise of Cheesy Poofs is a lure.

Date: 2007/02/12 12:44:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, if God farts in the forest, but there is no one there to hear, does it make a sound?  Does it still smell?  And how many #### angles CAN dance on the head of a pin?  These, my friends, are the eternal questions that The Science Of ID can answer!

Send $29. 95 now for these and many other answers to YOUR questions!  Act now and receive absolutely FREE your guaranteed angel wings!  Just glue angel wings to your back, jump off the grand canyon walls, and you will see The Lord!

Date: 2007/02/12 13:51:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 12 2007,13:28)
The Sound of the Molecular Assumption Exploding

Pitt Professor Contends Biological Underpinnings Of Darwinian Evolution Not Valid

The history of organ life is undemonstrable; we cannot prove a whole lot in evolutionary biology, and our findings will always be hypothesis. There is one true evolutionary history of life, and whether we will actually ever know it is not likely. Most importantly, we have to think about questioning underlying assumptions, whether we are dealing with molecules or anything else,” says Schwartz.

"Organ life?"  That struck me as odd, both in the DS quotation and the original University of Pittsburgh article.  So I contacted the author of that article:

"Dear Ms. White;

"In your article on professor Jeffrey Schwartz, posted on 2/9 on the University of Pittsburgh website, you quote him as stating (in the penultimate paragraph), "The history of organ life is undemonstrable..."

Because this statement doesn't make much sense in this context ("organ life?"), I wonder if he might have said, "The history of the origins of life..." or something similar.

The intelligent design creationism community has already pounced upon your description of Dr. Schwartz's statements as supporting their position, so an accurate account of his statements is important.


Thank you,

(Reciprcating Bill, Ph.D.)"

She replied:

"Dear Dr. (Reciprocating Bill),
Thank you for pointing out the error. That should have been "organic life". We will correct it on the Web site.

Way to read for comprehension Davey!

Thank you Reciprocating Bill!  

This brings back those long-gone halycon days of summer, when DaveScott also leaped before he looked and brought about one of the funniest moments in UD history and posted (actually ranted)  about the "Praying Marines", BEFORE he checked and got totally thrashed for his stupidity.  I know.  By now, he should be used to people laughing at him, and by now I should expect him to be stupid, but his stupidy-depth is extraordinary.

Some people are born tards,
some people have to work at it.
Some people have tardicity thrust upon them,
but DaveScott has all three.  A Tard For The Ages.

Semper Stupidity!

Date: 2007/02/12 13:57:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Feb. 10 2007,15:26)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 10 2007,14:10)
He certainly looks microcephaloc to me...

He looks PHALLO-cephalic to me . . . .

Calling Casy a PHALLO-cephalic is an insult to dickheads everywhere.

Date: 2007/02/12 20:41:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ Feb. 12 2007,20:23)
Crikey DT reincarnated from the 1590's

Methinks DT is more like the 1960's:


Date: 2007/02/12 20:49:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 12 2007,17:55)
It was a dark and stormy night...

Really, is it possible to construct a more ham-handed, artless, incompetent chunk of English language than "pasty-faced profs spluttering the formulas for selling out to materialism on behalf of dying institutional churchianity to increasingly empty pews are now obviated"?


I thought Dembski had cornered the market on prolix, turgid and useless prose, but Denise is catching up to him.  Must go with the ID territotry.  If it were not against the rules I could win the Bulwer-Lyton contest every year just by submitting anything Dembski had written.

Date: 2007/02/12 20:53:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 12 2007,19:35)
there is no better way to pay homage to his accomplishments than to simply read them.

(or re-read them, as the case may be).

The complete works of Charles Darwin

Icthyc - Ummm - How much of this is going to be on the test?

Date: 2007/02/13 12:21:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quick Hurry!  Dave bitch-slapped by Josh Rosenau on Sci Blogs for Dave's poor science reading skills!

More climate looniness
Category: Culture Wars
Posted on: February 13, 2007 11:26 AM, by Josh Rosenau

The inimitable Dave Springer broadens his anti-science screeds to include the science of climate change, claiming he's "exposing the lies." He claims a NASA page demonstrates "frank admissions of broken atmospheric models, [and] declining atmospheric temperatures."

Of course, that's the opposite of what you'll find.

Date: 2007/02/13 13:25:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
So.... Is this... The Worst Day Ever To Be DaveTard?

The Top 10 Worst Days Ever To Be DaveTard

10.  The Day Bill Broke Up With Him
 9.  The Day he Saw Denise Eating a Snicker Bar with Bill
 8.  The Day the World Laughed at him (The Praying    Marines Fiasco)
 7.  The Day he realized he liked men.  Manly Men.
 6.  The Day he got caught liking manly men.
 5.  The Day he predicted Victory in Dover.
 4.   The Day the Dover verdict came down.
 3.  The Day R. Lee Ermy, Marine Drill Sergeant yelled at him and made him cry
 2.   The Day the Cheesy Poof Company Went On Strike
 1.   Every Day is a Worst Day Ever to be DaveTard!

Date: 2007/02/13 13:44:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 13 2007,13:27)
getting caught stroking it to Kristine's picture
Otto the pilot episode..
Gravity the strongest force other than jebus..
The list goes on.

#### Richard - You are right... So we need a Top 100 Bad Days For Tard...

Maybe everybody has their own favorites?  Jeebus!  Don't tell me we need a freaking Award Show For Tards?

And the winner of the Tardiest of the Tards of The Year is....DaveTard!  

I hope he doesn't wear that off-the-shoulder red dress number again to the Awards Ceremony...

Date: 2007/02/13 20:53:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 13 2007,19:43)
I'm absolutely sure this will be of relevance to the IDers, who will question how the researchers determined the "designed" nature of the nut-crushers in question.

I can't exactly predict how they will spin it, though.

anyone care to guess?

Spokeschimp for chimpanzees, Mr. Chimpy The Chimp when asked for comment, wished to make it known that chimps are in no way responsible for the total idiocy exhibited by ID proponents such as Dembski, Behe and Luskin.  

"We might have a commmon ancestor, but we are way too smart to get caught up in the obvious fallacies of a failed biblical idiology such as ID" signed Mr. Chimpy.  

Commenting further, Mr. Chimpy signed "More banana now", and "For the record, that noted Tard DaveScot is as ugly as a red babboon butt".

Date: 2007/02/13 21:11:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
There have been several posts about this on Science Blogs over the last couple of days.  A couple of people have suggested so what, he's just a lying YEC scum, let him be, while others are for pulling his credentials.  Intellectually I say, so what, he's just a lying YEC scumbag, but emotionally I think he should be punished, but I don't think it can be done legally, so meh...

Think about what this guy had to do... lying for years, which is what it took for him to get a PhD in geology as a YEC.  He's like a sleeper agent, and exhibits the same kind of behavior that terrorists do - lying for Allah or Jeesus, all the same I say.   And they are all crazy too - 70 virgins?  Hah!  Give me experienced over virgin any day!  

The guy is a total knucklehead.  Laugh at him and forget about him.

Date: 2007/02/14 11:26:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mike PSS @ Feb. 14 2007,10:55)
Dover, Ohio, Georgia, now Kansas.

Where is the next "front" that the creo crowd is presently defending?

I've lost track.

According to DaveTard's latest post, ironically entitled "Civilization Calls", it's Iran...

Date: 2007/02/14 13:48:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 14 2007,13:33)
It's okay, Kristine. We know you're just a girl.   ;)

Arden - Good posting with you dude.... Now I think you are SO dead!  Happy Effin Valentines Day

Date: 2007/02/15 20:28:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
I would like to know what DaveScot's take is on this...
Martyer For The Cause?
Another Dembski Disciple?
Tax Cheatin' Poltroon?
Just another Bozo in the Big Tent?

Date: 2007/02/15 20:47:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 15 2007,19:47)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2007,15:15)
Challenge to UD

Hey you champignons champions of free inquiry:

PZ has listed the banned few from pharyngula and their offenses here:

Can you provide a similar list? Please note I only have 4 gigs of RAM. Thanks in advance.

Sure, I'll get it started:

Richard Hughes: homo. insults my mom. no Marine can forgive that.

Blipey: homo. I'll kick his ass when he comes out here.

Zachriel: homo. three times.

Arden Chatfield: homo. dumb bunny.

Lou: homo. thinks he's a woman. two women. He's outta here.

Kristine: lesbian. that's okay, but she frightens Bill.

k.e.: homo. says these weird things all the time. plus I think he's some kind of foreigner.

John Davison: homo. plus he's completely insane.

Alan Fox: homo. lives in France. plus he's too nice to Davison.

Lenny Flank: homo. probably does weird things with snakes when he's alone. On the plus side, PZ Myers hates him.

SteveStory: homo. taller than me. I think he's jealous of me.

GCT: homo. stole my picture. he's outta here.

Ichthyic: homo. I heard stories about him down at the aquarium.


(My apologies to anyone I overlooked, feel free to add yourself to this list.)

I have never tried to post at UD - I don't have the energy to do a JanieBell thing, and I am too old to fart around with DaveTard and Bill, and any post I made would never see the light of day, because I would have to call them on their hypocrasy, stupidity, etc.  

However, if I DID post at UD, I would be banned for suggesting that Bill and Dave have a long-term secret illicit nerd-on-fatso tawdry love affair, and of course, insisting that DaveScot has a Cheesy Poofs Addiction Problem.

DaveScott might also have a problem with my bringing up the credibility of his 150++ IQ, and sugggesting that in reality the decimal should be moved at least one, if not two places.  To the left.  No, Dave, your OTHER left...

And CONGRATULATIONS to all of you that HAVE been banned by UD.  A TRUE Badge of Honor.

Date: 2007/02/16 10:25:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 16 2007,08:57)
Also, Mike PSS said that the Ottomans grew out of the "rump" of teh Byzantines, which I giggled at all day.

I was kind of in the dumps all day after I read this...

Date: 2007/02/16 10:39:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Ed Brayton at Sci Blogs does an indepth de-pantsing of the author.  If he is not just a creo troll, and actually has some brains, he should write another article detailing how he himself was scammed.  I am not holding my breath.

Date: 2007/02/16 11:00:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 12 2007,19:20)
hmm, on a slightly related note...

can we start a betting pool on how fast the good Rev. Haggard will be leading his "flock" again?

I mean, now that he is no longer "teh gay" and all.

do we assign random picks, or can we just vote our guesses in now?

I'm going for 6 months from the point of the announcement that he is no longer "gay".  that was last week sometime, wasn't it?

so I then expect him to be returned to full "flight" status sometime in early July.

I'll see your 6 months and raise you six, AND I am saying it now, so you can pay me later, that Pastor Ted will NOT go back to his flock.  

He will visit Dr. Dino in FL prison, they will fall madly in love, and Pastor Ted and Dr. Dino will elope to a Caribbean Island, where they can fleece their flocks, free from US Legal pressure.  

They will be caught by a vacationer in a Gay Pride Parade (that's Ted in the leather BTW), they will tearfully confess, and ASAP return to Fleecing The Flock, and enjoying long walks on the beach and Pina Colada's.

No Dembski-like welshing single-malt scotch bet, I am just saying, it COULD happen!

Date: 2007/02/16 14:15:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 16 2007,12:59)
Now brilliant OverwhelmingEvidence blogger SChen24 chimes in:





1:43 pm

“That’s all global warming alarmism really is - a political power grab.”

Is this really true DaveScot? Are you saying that there is NOTHING behind global warming except politicians wanting to grab political power? What political seat is Al Gore seeking again?

Please think about this–in the last ten years, the earth on the whole has been warmer each year than the previous year and those ten together are the ten warmest years recorded.

In addition, global warming isn’t merely getting warmer, but it is the disturbance of the climate. We see cold places, like the Arctic, getting warmer and warm places getting colder. This disturbance in climate has a great effect on environment, ecology, and other areas.

This earth was given to us as a gift and with the responsibility to take care of it. We are called to be good stewards and I don’t believe denying global warming is being a good steward of the earth.

Of course, I hope, I really hope global warming isn’t happening. It would make this a better place and less environmental concerns. But I don’t see the evidence that it isn’t happening. And even if it isn’t, what is to keep us from being good stewards?

Finally, I still don’t see how global warming relates to intelligent design. Is Uncommon Descent now a blog on global warming too?



Date: 2007/02/16 15:27:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2007,13:42)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 12 2007,12:44)
Send $29. 95 now for these and many other answers to YOUR questions!  Act now and receive absolutely FREE your guaranteed angel wings!  Just glue angel wings to your back, jump off the grand canyon walls, and you will see The Lord!

Thanks, but we've got our wings already.  Funny though, where we got them, they came with a complimentary set of horns...

Me likey!!!!  Halle - effing - luuyah!

Date: 2007/02/16 20:38:00, Link
Author: J-Dog

Details at Panda's Thumb

Date: 2007/02/19 13:21:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 19 2007,10:23)
Thank you for your well-wishes, people. I hope everyone is laughing with me!  ;) Smoochies and shimmies.

Kristine - Thank you for the smooch!  ps:  What other "benefits" do we get for voting for you?

Date: 2007/02/19 17:26:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 19 2007,16:42)
What other "benefits" do we get for voting for you?

Free shimmy lessons.

A flash animation which I swear I'll work on after May.

A really, really funny joke in just over nine years and a month.  :)

Whew!  I almost had a panic attack!  I must be reading DaveScott and UD screeds too often, and it has caused a downturn in my reading comprehension skillz...

I thought you said a surprise in 9 months!


I am totally looking forward to the joke in just over 9 years!

Date: 2007/02/20 08:33:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
I am late to this discussion, and don't really want to read through all the boring repitive AFDave post, so I am assuming that AFDave can't go over to UD because he has also bored DaveScot?

Date: 2007/02/20 10:36:44, Link
Author: J-Dog

My attempt to let others View The Tard:

In most of the cases involving internet quackery, you can follow the trail of "why" by following the money.  However, in DaveScot Springer's case, you have to follow the Cheesy Poof’s trail, that keeps him at his posting and fighting weight of @ 290.  He would actually weigh less except that his fingers have wiped @ 5 lbs of crumbs onto his dirty, sweat-stained t-shirt.

I also suspect that in Dave's opinion, (which is the only right one, as far as he is concerned), DCA and Cheesy Poofs get him a cheap high.  And when you are like Dave, and the Captain of a high-powered house boat, you need that kind of release.  

Cheesy Poofs are also vital to Dave, because he also has the HUGE responsibility of banning anyone with a dissenting opinion as Bill Dembski's lackey on his IDiot blog.

So don't be too hard on Dave.  He's done as well as you can expect a delusional, chubby ex-Marine, to do.  He has published drivel about evolution, and backs intelligent design.  He has recently started posting against global warming, and as you bring up in detail, “cancer cures”.  He is clearly in the running for the Lifetime Achievement Don Quixote Award, with all the windmills he tilts at.  

If his "little friend" would take the time to actually read what DaveScot has posted on various web-sites, they would understand and distance themselves from this nut-job.  

Brief CV:
*Self-professed autodidact with IQ “in the 150++ range (based on SAT equivalency, NOT actual testing!)
*Ex-Marine – worked on aircraft repair.  After Viet Nam, before first Gulf war.
*Married and lives on houseboat in TX (I suspect he lives in the basement of his mother’s house)
*Dell-Made millionaire – got rich in the dot-com boom and cashed out.  He says.
*Blog “Moderator” for William Dembski’s Uncommon Descent website.  He is supposed to keep the information flowing, but since ID has not real information, and is entirely a political attack on evolution, in reality, this means that he bans anyone with a dissenting opinion.  For a more detailed look at the inanities and stupidity exhibited by Springer and his uninformed minions, please visit:;t=1274

Springer has the focus ability of an “idiot savant” and can totally ignore any verified and verifiable scientific evidence and discoveries in favor of “alternate evidence” and woo.  For example, his latest delusion is to deny Global Warning, and he is comfortable railing against GW science, because he “looked at gross data from print-outs” for a couple of hours.  Since he is a legend in his own mind, his 2 hours of reading qualifies Springer to lecture on Global Warming.

As discussed in depth by Orac here, Springer also has more ability to cure cancer than Doctors and entire decades of research scientists.  Of course he has probably read up on cancer now for a couple of hours, so at least it’s understandable.  At least to him.

Date: 2007/02/20 14:19:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 20 2007,13:34)
How would you define Intelligent Design?

"How would you define ID?"

My first thought is that it can’t be defined, as it is neither intelligent, nor designed the words are meaningless noise….

Reflecting deeper, it’s just a bad marketing campaign to re-label a concept declared illegal by US courts.

Therefore, I think the best definition is “ID is creationism in a cheap tuxedo”.

All the other "ID" noise made by the DI, Dembski, DaveScott and Casey Luskin is just that.  Noise.

Date: 2007/02/20 19:46:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thanks but no thanks.  The #### fool refused to stomp on Dembski, or consign DaveScott to a different level of helll.  Useless, I tells ya.  All powerfull my ass!

Date: 2007/02/21 09:48:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Dear Regulars - And You Know Who You Are -

Should there be an entirely new post dedicated to TardScot's "All New and Improved" non-evolutionary tard forays into areas like Global Warming and DCA?

Date: 2007/02/21 14:11:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
A Glimpse Inside The Tardster's Brain... And Pants!

I got this link from a KS Biologist who identified himself as a long-time lurker that has just applied for posting privaleges.  I say welcome!  

I suggested the New Guy let us professional Tardscientists handle it from here...

Is there any other advice we can give him? Will he need a Full Frontal Scrub after being this close to the Virgin Tard?

Can he survive the excessive Tardicity?

DaveScot said...
I fell off the wagon too. No loss, no gain. Here's my sad story.

My wife's turn to host Bunco came up on Tuesday and she always lays out a lavish spread of food and drinks. No men are allowed so I had to hide out in the bedroom, which was okay because American Idol and House were on, but usually I'll whine and plead to be let out because there's really nothing better in life than to be the only man in a room with 12 tipsy women. I didn't eat all day so I could graze without too much damage. In particular, the eye surgeon my wife works with is also a chef and he made a chocolate tort in the shape of a heart for the party. I'd kill for his cooking and wasn't about to miss out on that. Since I couldn't eat much of anything before the guests arrived (so all the food is undisturbed) and I didn't want that tort disappearing before I got some, I got my younger daughter, who is allowed to roam freely at Bunco because she's a girl, to carry her cellphone and answer my calls. So I called her on her cell phone for food deliveries. Everyone knew what was going on and got a big kick out of it.

Anyhow, the tort was to die for with real whipped cream and strawberries. There was also a batch of "white house chile" (chile made with hominy and ground turkey). The recipe is the doctor's in a Tex-Mex cookbook he authored and is used in the George Bush white house (ergo the name, which used to be Blanco Chile before GW was elected). The doctor and GW went to high school together in Midland and stay in contact. Anyhow, there was a lot of chile and cornbread (little cornbread muffins in the shape of hearts) and all sorts of other delicious goodies left over from the party and I couldn't resist helping myself to the leftovers all week long.

So that's my story and I'm sticking with it.

For the rest of the story:

Date: 2007/02/21 15:06:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 21 2007,14:27)
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 21 2007,09:29)
Global warming = eugenics.


now see, this is exactly the reason we need an EXTREME TARD warning label.

seriously, when you just post a link like that, it's like inviting someone into a toxic waste dump.

please, let me play OSHA man again and ask you all to pick something, anything, to act as a warning label.

here, I made some more choices:

more avant garde, perhaps?

just the fun part?

maybe just a tiny icon?

seriously, it's just grossly irresponsible on our part to post these links without warning of the potential risk.

What if someone decides we are liable for causing a permanent disability?

I can't afford another liability suit, not after the last Ebola party we had.

I vote for your first rendition...
and you are exactly right about our potential liability here.  If we don't do it for ourselves, we have to do it fot the children.  And our children's children.  And for "Our Children's children's children".  Thank you Moody Blues.  Great Album.

Date: 2007/02/21 15:09:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 21 2007,15:05)
It'll be interesting to see how their moderation of him evolves.

Ahem... Don't you mean how they develop their design to intelligently berate him?

Date: 2007/02/21 18:21:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (W. Kevin Vicklund @ Feb. 21 2007,18:03)
LRM42 and I expose DaveTard's innumeracy on the same thread.  Somehow 50g of sodium dichloroacetate sold at $134 equals $40 per gram in DT's world.  Last I checked, that was about $2.68.

Mr. Vicklund - How about a little link, so the entire class can enjoy?

Date: 2007/02/21 18:26:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 21 2007,18:18)
DaveScot is also no cell biologist, geneticist, cosmologist, oncologist, climatologist, mathematician, information theorist, anthropologist, paleontologist, cosmologist or - come to think of it - expert on any other topic on which he Googles forth at UD. That's never stopped him before...

...But as I read this post I see that his admission of ignorance didn't stop him HERE, either. More expression of his autodactyle knob polishing, one supposes.

He is the World's First and Foremost Tardologist, and has a PhD in Tardology.  This qualifies him to blather about any subject his fat little fingers can Google.

And he can ban anyone.  Anytime.

Date: 2007/02/21 18:30:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (phonon @ Feb. 21 2007,18:21)
Dave's next shopping list:
1. Big UV Lamp
2. 50 gallons acetic acid
3. Tank chlorine gas
4. Distillation column
5. Red Devil Lye
6. Test subjects

Phonon - re:  #6.

Bill? , Denyse?  Are you there?  Do you want to do some  "science"?  

This could be FUN!

Date: 2007/02/21 19:48:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 21 2007,19:38)
should the warning labels be smaller?

Yes, they should be smaller.  How many can we fit on the head of a pin?

Date: 2007/02/22 09:01:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Do We Drop A Dime On DaveScott?

Orac (A real MD and cancer oncologist)has a blog at Science Blog, and has @ 10 recent posts going back and forth with our favorite Tardster DaveScot about the efficacy of an untried cancer treatment DCA.

Dave has really jumped on the altie-med bandwagon, no surprise, and in his usual ham-handed approach, has pissed the Doctor, and a lot of people off.  

In Orac's latest post, he links to all his previous posts, and also to the FDA Fraud alert website.

FDA Fraud Site:

So... Moral Dilemma time...

If we drop a dime, DaveScott might go to The Big House 5-10 years, but cancer patients might be spared a potentially dangerous chemical that Dave is pushing.

If DaveScot goes to prison, UD goes stale, the Tard level goes way down, and we only have Bill and Denyse to kick around. They are both idiots, but not in the same Idiot league as Dave.

Help me out here,  please post your thoughts.  

Do we "Drop a Dime on Dave"™,
or Do We Love It So and Can't Live Without The Tard?

Date: 2007/02/22 09:29:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2007,09:11)
It's their side that reports people to homeland security, etc. Don't lower yourselves, fellas.

Richard - Thanks, and good point.

Date: 2007/02/22 11:06:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 22 2007,10:50)
But let me introduce myself. I have a certified IQ somewhere north of an ox but I carry it concealed. I was taught to think by the world's most efficient brain-killing machine, a Baptist Seminary. I live in an ivory houseboat and women scream at me that they want me to have their babies, or at least endure some comparable pain. I am a self-made bankrupt, courtesy of an option to leave Dell which friends, colleagues and my lawyer urged me to accept before charges were filed. I keep up with the cutting-edge of science by reading the 'Strange But True' section of Readers' Digest and hard-core colouring books.

Amadan -

Well written young man!  I don't want to give you a swelled head... or anything else, we leave that to Kristine, but could you be the "Anti-Tard" that has been foretold?

Date: 2007/02/22 12:21:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 22 2007,11:54)

Tell me you haven't thought the words "hairy teat" while gazing at this picture.

No, not hairy teat...

Althought I admit I DID think of Cheesy Teat...  But only for a moment, and it was only a fleeting manly, cheesy teat kind of thought, and then I started thinking about baseball immediatly afterword.  So there.

Date: 2007/02/22 13:01:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think I just had an effing epiphany!  In the recent past, I have spent quite a lot of time laughing at the stupidity  and tardacity of a DaveScot.  However, I finally invested some time following, or trying to follow the afdave threads, and ...OMG!  There IS someone dumber than DaveScot in this world!

I can't stay long here, I am not enured, as you all are, but as my resitance to the toxic shock of an afdave post builds up, I may be able to help "pile on" on to the poor ignoramus as the Brits say in Rugby.  I look forward to my immune response evolving to handle the Extra Helping of Tard.

Date: 2007/02/22 13:31:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
[quote=Occam's Toothbrush,Feb. 22 2007,13:04][quote=J-Dog,Feb. 22 2007,12:21]    
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 22 2007,11:54)

 You'll feel a lot better if you just admit it.  The first step to getting help is admitting you have a tard problem.

Why thank you for your concern I am touched!  Fortunately, that restraining order ought to do the trick to prevent all such future touchings!  

To cure any lingering effects of the tard, I have signed up for extra care from the Sisters of Angelina Jolie, and a believe a couple of them, guaranteed to resemble Angelina to within 95%,  will be over tonight with a couple of bottles of beaujolais.  However, I believe my atheistic tendencies will be sorely pushed, by the anticipated chants of "Oh God, Oh God, Oh God, YES!"

Thanks to this recommended regimin, I anticipate a complete recovery from being so roughly exposed to The Tard, and certainly look forward to the cure, and a long and fruitful and tardless existance.

Thank you for the early intervention, as you can see, my cure will be well in hand.  And other places...

Date: 2007/02/26 10:12:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 25 2007,22:51)
E = (MC)^Tard

M = # of mistakes per post,
C = confidence with which mistaken assertions were made,
so E = Errogance, measured in Behes, in honor of his straight-faced dismissal of a large pile of scientific literature without having read any of it.

This leaves only the quantification of Tard.  To further discussion, I suggest the following: Tard = Tard level
 1 = basic numbskullery stemming from blind adherence to religious preconceptions (Joseph, Troutmac, or JGuy - level)
 2 = based on subtle point of ignorance (Denyse-level, Salvador-level),
 3 = based on deeper misunderstanding or denial of a fundamental principle (advanced Salvador level),
 4 = deliberate misrepresentation (Phillip Johnson-level),
 5 = deliberate misrepresentation with obfuscation (Dembski level)
 6 = outrageous bald misrepresentation completely devoid of pretense to logic and validity (Kent Hovind - Jonathan Wells - level)
 7 = irony meter breakdown, widespread keyboard destruction due to spewed beverages (Dave-level)

(edited because I forgot the parentheses.)

Excellent! I have saved this to a seperate file for future reference and use, of which I expect is unfortunately, many opportunities.

Date: 2007/02/26 10:19:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 26 2007,06:29)
[off topic] Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” Wins Oscar

Uh, what exactly IS the topic at UD?

The topic is,once again, "DaveScot is right about Global Warming, and everyone else is wrong".  It must be tough to be right all the time.

Date: 2007/02/26 15:48:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 26 2007,06:55)
DO'L foams at the mouth

Quote (DO'L 2006 Winner of The World's Worst Writer Award @ 26 February 2007)
The new “anti-God” crusade: Further evidence of materialism’s failure?

O’Leary looks at the spate of anti-God books and other promotions for the new Church of Atheism, and suspects that atheism was way more fun in the days when it was just a quiet, Godless Sunday at home.

The world's biggest hack refers to herself in the third person (it's so creepy when she does that), and begins to rant about ID vs. Atheism.

Once again we see that ID is all about the science.

She writes a series of sub-headlines, then a few sentences for each that basically just all say "Atheism bad, God good" without even so much as an attempt at backing up a single statement.

I guess we're all just supposed to smack our foreheads in a moment of epiphany and say "WOW!  I guess science sucks because the Witless Wonder said so!"

It really does just boil down to her conclusion:

Put another way: Once you do think that materialism is not true, Darwinism is not true either. That raises the question of why any clergy should feel the need to sell “evolution” to their congregations, as part of their ministry.

Yes, once you've closed your mind and started out with the conclusion, there's really no need to think any further about it, so STOP DOING IT!

Thanks for the link...I think!

Lured by the title of your post, I finally went direct to the source and read some "O'Leary".  Do not attempt this on a full stomach.  Come to think of it I don't recommend it on an empty stomach either - but that's neither here nor there.  If she's not the worst, she is right up in the front row on the team picture.

Her "writing style", which looks to me as attaining a "C" -to "C-" student level, is basically Canadian-American UGH, with a capital UGH.  If someone took away her hyphen key, she's be unable to complete an article - I mean check it out - maybe she gets paid-by-the-hyphen?

Since she's Canadian, does that mean her hyphen's are discounted 10%, so she gets to use more of them in the US?

After the Tums kick in, maybe I can try to deciper what the #### she's writing about.  I will not attempt to determine her "why".

For The Love Of God People- and that's coming from a Type 1 Atheist -  some one take her Hyphen Key before she posts again!

Date: 2007/02/26 20:36:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (BWE @ Feb. 24 2007,00:46)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 22 2007,13:01)
I think I just had an effing epiphany!  In the recent past, I have spent quite a lot of time laughing at the stupidity  and tardacity of a DaveScot.  However, I finally invested some time following, or trying to follow the afdave threads, and ...OMG!  There IS someone dumber than DaveScot in this world!

I can't stay long here, I am not enured, as you all are, but as my resitance to the toxic shock of an afdave post builds up, I may be able to help "pile on" on to the poor ignoramus as the Brits say in Rugby.  I look forward to my immune response evolving to handle the Extra Helping of Tard.

I'm sorry J-dog. Good Avatar, creative posts, but you are simply forgetting just how frickin absurd DS is.

Yo, BWE -   So, is it possible, that afdave and DaveScot are Twin Sons of Different Mothers?  

Announcer Dude: Two cretins - separated at birth - watch the train wreck that ensues from poor intellects trying to cope with a world where EVERYONE is smarter than they are...

Date: 2007/02/26 21:12:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Man, you guys are easy... I always tell them I had a vision from God, and He told me that they are going to ####.  There is nothing they can say to counter that, and I have had excellent results.  Which means of course, that I get left alone.

Date: 2007/02/26 21:16:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 17 2007,16:33)
Expressive?  Heck, most of their words are just three or four of their OTHER words all run together.


the fun is you can do that on the fly and make new words that are completely legitimate.

I call that expressive!

Jawohl!  Like that expression from Nurembourg, "befel est befel".

Date: 2007/02/27 08:25:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
(Uh... Dr. Evil... excuse me, but $1.0 milllion dollars is not very much money these days...)

William Dembski  02/26/2007 11:32 pm
"Any millionaires frequenting this blog who care to prove me wrong? "


"Pretty hard, but it hasn’t stopped some of us in the great state of Virginia from trying"

Why Sal!  I'm impressed that you came out of the closet!
So, is it "Mr. Bill", or "DaveScot in Leather", that was designed, just for you?

Date: 2007/02/27 15:50:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Kristine - Ahem... Buy low, sell high...

Date: 2007/02/27 15:56:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yeah.  I saw this earlier...un - effing - believable.

Date: 2007/02/27 18:10:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 27 2007,15:52)
Re "So, is it possible, that afdave and DaveScot are Twin Sons of Different Mothers?  "

Wouldn't that violate the SLoT?

I think it actually CEMENTS the SLoT, where SLoT = Same Lack of Thought.

Date: 2007/02/27 18:17:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 27 2007,15:55)
Be carefull, you may get modest gains in the AM and then another pull back. A 4% correction is on the light side of what was anticipated.

that being said - definatley value out there.

Check out NVAX.

Richard - Thanks for the tip - I looked at recent news and trading range for NVAX, but I don't have access to free research anymore.  My concern with a NVAX would be their capitalization... do they have the money to see them through until they start making money?

And of course, the main question, will I make enough money buying 1,000 shares to buy my Very Own Yacht / House Boat?

Date: 2007/02/27 18:28:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
I am starting to read "Monkey Girl" by Edward Humes, and not liking it much so far.  Humes is WAY too easy on the creos and the "fair and balanced" thing so far.

For example, the end of Chapter 1 -  A teacher and his wife are talking:

{"You have people who know nothing about science trying to tell you how to teach science".

"They don't want to teach the kids", Bryan said morosely. "They want to indoctrinate them."

Funny think was, the board members who favored creationism were saying the same thing about the teachers. [end it.]}

I guess I should read a little more before I call Humes a total hack and send his info to the DI... BUT, he'd better start sounding  a lot more like Kristine, k.e. and Richard Huhges and less like afdave or DaveScot or he's gonna be toast.

Date: 2007/02/27 19:31:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 27 2007,16:25)
Senator Finney (no relation to Col Sanders) has an online survey that I have been having fun with.  Help him assess his 07 priorities by completing it here.

Excellent link!  I wrote and told him that God wants him to resign immediatly for being such an idiot.

Date: 2007/02/28 11:27:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 28 2007,10:35)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 27 2007,16:25)
Senator Finney (no relation to Col Sanders) has an online survey that I have been having fun with.  Help him assess his 07 priorities by completing it here.

Senator Finney's priority for 2007 should be:
[ ] Get a clue
[ ] Resignation
[ ] A nice rest in the Tennessee Home For The Bewidered
[ ] Boil head
[ ] All of the above

John - I believe the correct answer is "All of The Above".

Please have the Announcer Dude tell me what I have won today!

Date: 2007/02/28 17:26:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 28 2007,14:59)
The ID guys would like Templeton money, of course,

Denyse - Wouldn't them ID guys rather have that there American money?

Date: 2007/02/28 19:40:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thanks Richard -

DaveScot said...
We're talking perfect rice here. Every last grain. Any kind of rice. Just pick it off the menu and add water to the line for that kind of rice marked on the non-stick pan. So far I've tested it with long grain white, brown, and a multi-grain with barley, oats, and a few kinds of rice. I'm trying out the "porridge" menu setting right now using the multi-grain and water to the porridge line.  

And this probably all took place inside of 30 minutes...

Date: 2007/03/01 08:18:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (bfish @ Mar. 01 2007,01:30)
Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 28 2007,23:01)
in that screen, go towards the bottom and enter the web address where you store the image for your avatar

And that's where I hit the wall. I don't have a web address where I store my image. I have a jpeg file.

Yo.  Dude - Go to the linked site, Image Shack, and upload your pic file to it, then copy and paste the web address into the control panel here.

It's so easy, even a Caveman can do it...

OCCAM - I got to learn to slow down - I scanned right over your helpful link...

Date: 2007/03/01 10:52:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Chris Hyland @ Mar. 01 2007,08:30)
quote]That and what are you more likely to read: a book called "The Origin of Species" or a paper called "On the Tendency of Species to form Varieties; and on the Perpetuation of Varieties and Species by Natural Means of Selection".

I guess that's why Wallace's Witty Marketing School went belly up after the seed capital ran out....  Very sad, really.  No wonder he ran around in a skirt and painted his face blue.

Date: 2007/03/01 11:01:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
oops - the dreaded double post... sorry.. I got distracted - I am eating RICE for lunch!

Date: 2007/03/01 12:31:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 01 2007,12:00)
And this would be "Wally-World."

High five dude.  Nailed It!

Date: 2007/03/01 14:15:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2007,13:46)
Bill Dembski's grant was not for the book 'No Free Lunch.' Dembski was given funds to write another book on Orthodox Theology, which was not on ID, however he has never written the book.

Isn't that, erm, stealing?

Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

Also a serious violation in the DI handbook:
Rule #1, Page 1 - Don't Get Caught!

Date: 2007/03/01 14:33:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2007,14:16)

Looks like there's a moderate at UD:

Hit him with your banning stick, DaveTard!

Yeah... jmcd makes way too much sense for the boyz - he/she's days in the Eden that is UD are coming to a close.

I wonder how tribune 7 is gonna feel when he finds out about Bill and Dave?

Date: 2007/03/02 11:10:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 02 2007,06:40)
Japanese Pro-ID Cartoon
William Dembski

Here’s a pro-ID cartoon that appeared in the Tokyo Sekai Nippo:

More WAD as ID/Christian Warrior fantasy imagery.  With all the sophistication of Snoopy vs. the Red Baron.


In this corner, 90 lb weakling,, bespeckled pencil-necked geek Bill Dembski.

In the other corner, wearing cheesy-poof stained pitted undershirt, ex-Marine Boy DaveTard.

Ah Bill?  Before you go pushing Japanese cartoons on your minions, you might want to consider that your #1 Fan is DaveScot, the ex-Marine.  He might have an "institutional memory" of places called Guadacanal, Iwo Jima, things like that; even though he really only repaired airplanes, your latest ID scoop does not reek of Intelligent Design.  Although it is as IC as a pile of poop...

Date: 2007/03/02 14:03:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
If I could just channel Flint for a minute...

ID is dead.  It died in Dover.

And there ain't nothing they can do about it.

Date: 2007/03/03 19:31:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Geico's Cavemen May Get Own TV Series
Mar 3, 2:39 PM EST

The Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Those Geico "cavemen" shouldn't be so upset after all — they may get their own television series. ABC said Friday it had ordered a pilot for a comedy, tentatively titled "Cavemen," that features the characters used in a series of ads by the insurance company.

In the ads, cavemen appear insulted by a Geico pitchman's claim that the company's Web site is so easy to use that "even a caveman can do it."

The potential series, one of 14 pilots that will be produced by Touchstone Television this spring, features the cavemen as they "struggle with prejudice on a daily basis as they strive to live the lives of normal thirty-somethings in 2007 Atlanta."

It's unusual for characters from an advertising campaign to move into shows of their own, but not unprecedented. The CBS comedy "Baby Bob" featured a talking baby that had been used in several advertisements, according to Daily Variety.

The advertising copywriter who helped create the "cavemen" ads is writing the pilot, the studio said.

A pilot order is no guarantee a show will make it on the air; in fact, the majority of pilots don't make it that far.

First off, I'm not 100% in love with your tone...

First, let me say thanks to all my fellow posters at After The Bar Closes.  Even though I am a Neandertal, and they are only "little people",  I can count on them to cover my back, should the UD Forces Of Darkness, attack me.   I can always count on my friends at ATBC to beat down Austalopithicine-brained DaveScot whenever he needs it.  Which in always.  

So even though I am now such a Total 100% Star, bigger than you could dream, I want you all to visit me in Hollywood.  My cave is your cave amigos!

We'll have your favorite Roast Duck With Mango Salsa once again, enjoy some more Guiness' and BEAT-DOWN  UD.  

ps - Kris, baby, don't forget that "special screen-test" we've got coming up for you!  Yowrrrllll

pps:  No, sorry, don't bring Bill.  We're trying to do a class operation here, and his constant whining and sniveling just doesn't cut it, you know?  I think he's really more cut out for a Spanish Inquisistion role, don't you think?


And don't forget to visit me in my crib.

Date: 2007/03/03 19:43:39, Link
Author: J-Dog

I am happy to see that this guy could do it, cuz there is no way I could... Not even with double, double-bags.  

Trying to do Coulter would be like trying to do a pile of environmental sludge.  First, why would you, and secondly, EEEEWWWWW! Thirdly, your thing, or wang
(I love that medical talk) could fall off and then, what would you do, once Kristine wised up and dropped Bill like to total loser that he is?

Funny stuff though!

The Adam's Apple commment was brilliant!

Date: 2007/03/04 17:55:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 03 2007,23:19)
*Ahem* That's Kristine.

Wow, dude, congrats on your show. I have one coming up in May.

Kris, baby, work with me here!

Yes, I know it's really Kristine, but I was "doing the character"!  SHHHH!  Don't spoil it!

ps:  Tell us again about your show in May!


Date: 2007/03/05 08:59:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 04 2007,21:11)
Sorry. "Kris" is what I was called growing up. Bleah. :p

I'm dancing for a friend's gallery opening in May. More news to come (but c'mon, you guys are scattered all around the country, ain't you?). :)

Kristine - one word for you - UTube! (or is that 2 words?)

Date: 2007/03/05 09:33:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
World Religions?  Yes, it is very important to "Know Your Enemy".

Date: 2007/03/05 13:30:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Richard - You mean actual, real predictions?

Not stuff like:
Dembski can obfuscate anything to the nth degree...

DaveScott is the Tardiest Of The Tard..

Real stuff?  From ID?  Hey, you want to share that Kool-Aid with the Class?

Date: 2007/03/05 20:05:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 05 2007,15:27)
Alright. You nailed me. I admit it. I'm actually Dave Scot. I don't live in Texas. I don't have a houseboat. I was never in the Marines. I never worked at Dell. I'm a registered Democrat. I've variously lived in Massachusetts, Marin County, and France. I've just been fucking with you guys all this time. My goal was to make ID people look so stupid that it would collapse under its own foolishness. It's all been a massive liberal Darwinian plot to undermine ID. My project has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams, so I feel I can relax now, and assume my well-deserved place in the history books.

Dembski's not in on the joke yet, (so don't tell him!) but all the other posters on UD are also just me posting under fake names. Every one of them. (Even Denyse. Don't ask.) I'm also every one of the posters at OE, except for the Darwinist trolls there (you know who you are.)

Please don't judge me harshly.

PS: Oh, and that picture? Just some fat slob who works as a security guard at my office. Here's the real me:

Arden Chatfield - You magnificent bastard!

I have to give you an "Amen".  


Date: 2007/03/06 11:12:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (MidnightVoice @ Mar. 06 2007,10:56)
... kangaroos bred from the Ark passengers migrated to Australia.

Excellent phrasing - I really like how fundys are so stupid!

Got to tip the hat to Noah and his sons!  I guess that's why roos walk around on 2 legs too - a cross between a horny old shepherds and some kind of weasel... sort of like Ken Ham.

Not sure I could do a roo... it would be like doing Ann Coulter.

Date: 2007/03/06 11:21:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 06 2007,09:59)
I thought you guys were extinct?

No man, we are NOT all extinct!  However, because we are such lovers of art and beauty, we are very sensitive, and as a result we are all in therapy, because of your constantly stereotyping us as nothing but brutes and "dumb cavemen".  

The only thing good about you "Homos" is your women. For some reason, they tend to like us, and I guess we're just like you, you know, we can only "do it" @ 10 - 12 times a night before we have to roll over in the cave.

Date: 2007/03/06 11:25:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 06 2007,11:06)
Yo! Did they all fall asleep over thar?

What up, ID lab have a power outage or something?

(Hey Bill, that's when Dawkins wrote his seminal work, The Selfish Gene. Hint.)  :)

Keep the muse amused! I'm getting bored! :p

Kristine - Forget that pencil-necked little geek Dembski.
Stop by my cave on your way home - I'll keep you amused!  YRWLLLL!

Date: 2007/03/06 11:31:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 06 2007,09:57)
Jad found a buddy who even quotes him in an online article.

EEWWWW - JAD's buddy is the guy that thinks man-goo will cure cancer!  I wish I would have thought of that great line back before I was married though...

Date: 2007/03/06 12:13:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2007,12:09)

I always suspected this....but how did Phonon anticipate this?

Now, all he has to do to update his avatar, is change the white powder to Miss Clairol "Busty Blond" color!  
Maybe add just a little blush, touch up the lashes... I think DaveScott is on it like Noah on the roos...

Date: 2007/03/06 12:19:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 06 2007,11:53)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 06 2007,11:31)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 06 2007,09:57)
Jad found a buddy who even quotes him in an online article.

EEWWWW - JAD's buddy is the guy that thinks man-goo will cure cancer!  I wish I would have thought of that great line back before I was married though...

Did you date a lot of women with cancer?

I was thinking about being a real dick and saying "yes", I loved dating women with cancer, but then I would have to ban myself from here and go open an account at UD -
A fate worse than death.

And speaking of cancer, I wonder if DaveScot is feeling any backlash from his DCA whipping by Orac?  Well, if the DCA doesn't work out for Dave, maybe he and Bill can "experiment" with JAD's new friend's cancer treatment...

Date: 2007/03/06 18:53:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 06 2007,17:35)
Can someone calculate that for me?  Maybe Dembski could whip up some celestial math for us to solve this riddle.

Intercepted through National Special Intelligence means:

Per Mr. Herr Doctor Wilhelm Dembski:

Through perfectly obfuscatory mathamatical calculations, the answer you are looking for is exactly 666 SpringerBytes, where Springer Byte = 1n jello-like jounce of DaveScot's excess flab on a Precision Brand Stairmaster at a medium setting, and registering the Almighty Awesomest Power Of Gravity

The Master of Mathamatics Has Spoken.  fffffsssssttt.

Date: 2007/03/07 08:23:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 07 2007,07:00)
Buy me lots of beers, and I'd take on Denyse, too.

LOTS of beers.



re:  Denyse....(also file under beastiality)

I think it's time for an intervention!

No way in #### you could EVER drink her pretty with beer!  O'Leary being Irish and all, I posit that one of her female ancestors is what must have led to the invention of Jameson's, and driven that poor James Joyce guy to dable in sampling the "other side", if you know what I mean...

Denyse is soooo bad, that she wasn't just hit with an ugly stick, she must have had the #### tree fall on her.

Denyse and Ugly jokes...just too easy

Date: 2007/03/07 09:33:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 06 2007,23:56)
k.e., thanks for the post.  I've never quite heard that interpretation of Jesus before.  Seems so very Western, lol, if you'll forgive the pun.  But that was a very interesting read and I think I might have to look into the book.  Thanks.

Christ, I will have to report for re-grooving.  

I actually read something by skeptic, and didn't violently disagree with it, although my take is probably different.  skeptic says:  "seems so very Western", and I thought of Clint Eastwood in a Fistful of Dollars.  

k.e. - excelllent - thanks for the linkage too.

Date: 2007/03/07 09:45:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, is it wrong to suggest putting the kids and their parents into a sealed room, and de-lousing them with Zyklon B?

Date: 2007/03/07 10:26:39, Link
Author: J-Dog

The Case of the Missing Book: Setting the Record Straight on William Dembski, the Templeton Foundation, and Intelligent Design
By William Grassie

A February 27, 2007 posting on Wikipedia by Joseph C. Campana with suggests that “Media Misreports Intelligent Design Research and the John Templeton Foundation”.1 Campana argues that contrary to recent press statements by Charles Harper, the Templeton Foundation in fact does or at least once did supported Intelligent Design Theory (ID).  William Dembski has also taken up this discussion on his own blog found at

In 1998 and 1999, under the auspices of the Philadelphia Center for Religion and Science (PCRS), now known as the Metanexus Institute3, I managed a grant program for the John Templeton Foundation.  The project was advertised under the title “Research, Writing, and Publications Exploring the Constructive Interaction of Science and Religion” and offered seven $100,000 grants.  The project was designed and implemented at the request of Sir John Templeton and designated three-topical areas for funding: Evidence of Purpose, Human Creativity and Understanding, and Concepts of God.  There were some 400 letters-of-intent received in January 1999, from which twenty-eight were invited to submit full proposals in May 1999.  

Seven grants were awarded in September 1999, including one to William Dembski for his proposed book Being as Communion. Dembski has an impressive curriculum vitae, including a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Chicago, a Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a Masters of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary.  His dense book The Design Inference (Dembski, 1998) launched a highly technical debate among academics about information theory, complexity, and evolution.  At the request of Dembski, the grant was received on his behalf by the Discovery Institute4, rather than Baylor University, where he had been hired to serve as the director of the newly created Michael Polyani Institute in October 1999.5

The judges involved in selecting the seven grantees were John Polkinghorne, Cambridge University; Philip Hefner, Zygon Journal; and Lawrence Sullivan, then director of Harvard University Center on World Religions.  The Templeton Foundation played no role in the judging and selection process.  Dembski’s book proposal set out to develop a scientific and theological reflection on the elusive nature of information:

“Being as Communion weds specified complexity to Shannon’s theory of information.  An immediate consequence of this marriage is a conservation law for complex specified information. According to this law, undirected natural causes can transmit but cannot originate complex specified information.  This law suggests that a fundamental teleology underlies the natural world.  It follows that complex specified information, though instantiated in the natural world, is not reducible to the natural world.  This is precisely the opening one needs for a relational ontology of communion:  To be is to be in communion, and to be in communion is to exchange information.  Being as Communion argues that this view makes not only good scientific sense, but also good metaphysical and theological sense.”6
The judges were skeptical about whether a law for complex specified information could be formalized and also shared concerns about the emerging Intelligent Design movement, but were intrigued by the metaphysical and theological treatment proposed by Dembski.  Relational ontologies are not altogether new in metaphysics, see for instance A.N. Whitehead, but an information centric approach seemed new and promising.

In 2002, Dembski published No Free Lunch and requested a second installation payment on the Book Grant from the Templeton Foundation (Dembski, 2002).  In correspondence with him, he was told by me that this book did not fulfill his obligation to publish a work on metaphysics and theology as detailed in his book proposal entitled Being as Communion.  That book has still not been produced.

This is the case of the missing book, one that I sincerely hope Bill Dembski will write, a constructive theology of evolution and information theory.  In truth, Dembski is not the only one of the seven grant winners who has not yet completed their proposed books.  Three others, while productive in other ways, have also not completed their proposed books.  

This book grant was launched at an early stage in both the evolution of the John Templeton Foundation and also the evolution of the Intelligent Design Movement.  There were certainly sympathies towards aspects of the ID arguments and interest in pushing the technical and theological sides of their inquiry, but as the ID Theory became a political movement, the John Templeton Foundation began to slowly--perhaps too slowly--to disassociate itself from the Discovery Institute, William Dembski, and other protagonists in the debate.7

Metanexus Institute has hosted extensive discussions pro and con on Intelligent Design8, including many essays authored by William Dembski on our website.9  At our 2001 conference at Haverford College, we hosted a series of debates that included William Dembski and Michael Behe.10  At our Academic Board Meeting at Arizona State University in January 2006, we held an all day consultation on the topic followed by a public program in the evening.11  At our 2006 conference at the University of Pennsylvania, we held a teach-in entitled “Beyond Intelligent Design, Science Debates, and Culture Wars”.  The latter is now available for purchase as a 3 DVD set.12  Our approach has always been to object to the polarization, the obfuscation, and mutual demonization that has characterized much of the debate about Intelligent Design.  Metanexus affirms that a long and evolving Earth and Cosmic history is a well-established fact of science, but that the interpretation of this natural history, how it happens and what it means, is open to diverse points of views.

Why distance oneself from the Intelligent Design Movement?  I cannot speak for the John Templeton Foundation,13 but we at Metanexus grew tired of the increasingly politicized debates about Intelligent Design Theory.  Proponents were clearly engaged in a political campaign to change public education.  While the erudite advocates were proposing what might be called “Intelligently Designed Evolution,” the core of the movement were mostly Young Earth Creationists.  The genealogy of the movement was clearly motivated not by a technical scientific debate, but by a longstanding religious and ideological concern to overthrow evolution. The logic of the ID movement is essentially that evolution = Darwinism = materialism = atheism = immorality = nihilism. This is not a necessary correlation.  

The evidence for a long and evolving Earth history has mounted exponentially over the centuries, even as our understanding for how this happens grows more complex.14  Whatever the inadequacies of the Darwinian paradigm, these do not undermine the reality of evolution.  Darwinian natural selection alone may or may not be adequate for explaining the florescence, diversity and complexity of life on the planet (Wesson, 1991), (Depew, 1996), (Stewart 1998) (Oyama 2000), (Morris 2003).  Darwin himself raises the question in The Origin of Species:

“I am fully convinced that species are not immutable; but that those belonging to what are called the same genera are lineal descendants of some other and generally extinct species…  Furthermore, I am convinced that Natural Selection has been the most important, but not the exclusive, means of modification.”
Whatever the deficiencies in Darwinism, whether it is an exclusive or even most important mechanism in the transmutation of species, these scientific debates do not necessarily imply “intelligently designed complexity” as an alternative and certainly not the only alternative.

Metanexus proposed in 2006 to clarify the public debate in our schools by focusing on teaching the history of nature as understood by science, before getting bogged down in interpretation of that history.  While humans regularly distinguish between natural occurring objects and artifacts (those created by humans), there is no formal logic that allows one to make that distinction, nor any computer algorithm capable of making that distinction.  Intelligent Design, therefore, is no more a scientific concept, than those who say that science proves meaninglessness and purposelessness in nature (Dawkins, 1986), (Dennett, 1995).   Science qua science cannot detect meaninglessness and purposelessness as a metaphysical statement.

Historical sciences are necessarily different from laboratory sciences, because cosmology, evolution, and history are singular cases, which cannot be repeated in a controlled laboratory study.  Intelligent Design is a plausible interpretative move, but not something that can be resolved by science, any more than science can tell us whether the universe is truly random.  This limitation applies also to the apparent fine-tuning problem debated in contemporary cosmology.

Back in the fall of 2000, I privately challenged Dembski to publicly disassociate himself from the Young Earth Creationists and “come clean” on what version of natural history he thought should be taught in schools.  His response, “Intelligent Design Coming Clean”, was published on on November 18, 2000.  Dembski wrote:

“I do not regard Genesis as a scientific text. I have no vested theological interest in the age of the earth or the universe…  Nature, as far as I'm concerned, has an integrity that enables it to be understood without recourse to revelatory texts. That said, I believe that nature points beyond itself to a transcendent reality… ”
No argument here.  Indeed, I would say a thoughtful reading of contemporary science is more indicative of transcendence, broadly defined, than of crass materialism reductio ad absurdum.  Dembski continues:

“Where I part company with complementarianism is in arguing that when science points to a transcendent reality, it can do so as science and not merely as religion… In particular, I argue that design in nature is empirically detectable and that the claim that natural systems exhibit design can have empirical content…”
Agreed, but transcendence does not require or demand the use of the metaphor “design,” taken from human architecture and engineering.  Nor, for reasons already stated, will it be possible to give a formal logic for distinguishing between natural and artifactual entities, especially when we employ different time frames and size scales in the examination.  Dembski continues in his Metanexus essay:

“Repeatedly I've been asked to distance myself not only from the obstreperous likes of Phillip Johnson but especially from the even more scandalous young earth creationists…  I'm prepared to do neither…”15  
And there with comes the rub.  One can legitimately debate the meaning of evolution and how it occurs.  These are engaging and difficult issues in science, philosophy, and the theology of nature.16  On the other hand, it is pretty stupid to choose as one’s allies those who deny the overwhelming accumulation of evidence in favor of a long Earth history and the transmutation of species.  

I, for one, look forward to reading Bill Dembski’s proposed book Being as Communion, for which he was paid a generous advance by the John Templeton Foundation.  I do not expect this book to discover empirically detectable design in nature, but rather to offer a rich and compelling metaphysical and theological discussion of how evolution might be understood in light of information theory and what it might mean in conversation with our theistic traditions.

Date: 2007/03/07 14:29:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 07 2007,14:15)
Brace for Tardwrath:

Richard et al- Which is the more likely to occur?

1.) Warning ala " your days are numbered if you continue",

2.) or the more serious, "You are gone homo"?

Should this be run through the EF?

Date: 2007/03/07 15:44:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
I would like to go someplace warm, and I don't mean the Christian HE11... but do you really think right-wing knuckleheads are going to fund my vacations a couple times a year?  

I totally don't respect what they us for brains, but even Robertson, Falwell or their dumbest followers aren't that stupid, are they?  If, so I say #### yeah!

Date: 2007/03/07 19:16:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 07 2007,18:13)
Good lord, that thread is infantile. Watching Denyse lead a discussion about science is like watching a bunch of lifelong virgins discuss what sex is like.

And if you looked like Denyse, discussing sex is all you'll ever do!

Date: 2007/03/07 19:23:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 07 2007,18:05)
Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)

It's just nature's way of protecting you from yourself...

Date: 2007/03/07 19:32:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ Mar. 07 2007,16:17)
I would like to go someplace warm, and I don't mean the Christian HE11... but do you really think right-wing knuckleheads are going to fund my vacations a couple times a year?

ah, but that's the problem.
I'm sure they would want their money to have a more *permanent* effect.

hence: translocation, rather than vacation.

...want to donate to translocate willing atheists?

just fill out the form and register with paypal.

then willing atheists could apply for translocation fees much like a grant application.

$5.o million?

Throw another Koala on the barbie mate, I'm on my way!

And if I remember the quote, but not who said it,
"Now  we have established exactly what I am... now we are just haggling over price"!

#### good thing I am a godless athiest, so I don't get insulted!

Date: 2007/03/08 08:47:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 07 2007,21:02)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 07 2007,19:23)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 07 2007,18:05)
Well, SOMEBODY would have to.  After all, I'd be too bloody drunk to remember any of it.    

Heck, I'd probably be too bloody drunk to . . . well . . . ya know . . . anyway.    :)

It's just nature's way of protecting you from yourself...

Geez, I'd hate to ponder the reason for that evolutionary advantage!

J-Dog, is this the reason your commercials never show your sistren?


Yes, my producers are concerned about offending your modern-type sensativities.. Evidently you modern-types just can't handle true "rock & roll".  

You can clearly see that what is considered a moderately attractive Sistern, is way effein better than the degenerative modern-type morpho-dyke type of an Ann Coulter, or Denyse O'Leary.  

If my caveman sisterns looked like those two, you modern types wouln't be here, cuz nobody I know would do them... we have our standards.

Date: 2007/03/08 09:23:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yo, Amadan... can we get to the good part where Hermione works some magic with Janie and Kate?  

But seriously, nicely done!

Date: 2007/03/08 14:53:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
That was so convoluted and confusing, I actually thought that Demsbksi had decided to mingle with the rabble.  

If BWE ever decides to go over to the dark side, I think he has a tremendous career ahead of him in the Obfuscatory World Of ID Research.  

At this point, his talent to confuse clearly outstrips that of Casey Luskin.  

BWE - Please remember to use your force only for good, never evil!

Date: 2007/03/08 15:01:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 08 2007,12:14)
I don't even know what to say. At this point, arguing is useless, because the problem is that they dwell in a world of arguments and words, rather than experiences and perceptions.

Everything that they say about me, us, "Darwinists," is just plain wrong. But I don't know how to counter them at this point because, as I've said before, I find meaning in doing and in silence, not in this pettifoggery that they think they need so that everything doesn't fly apart, or whatever disaster it is that they're afraid of.

Criminy, I have never seen such unhappy people in my life...

Dammit Kristine - Don't go all soft and fluffy on us!

Don't take it too seriously - if you give in to the tard, the terrorists will win after all!

Remember:  You are strong, you are Woman, hear you roar... although I personally would rather hear you, oh well never mind.

So Happy International Women's Day!  

Get back in there and never let them see you sweat!
Get back in there and kick some ID pencil-necked geeky butt!

Date: 2007/03/08 18:55:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 08 2007,16:37)
Hey Willy, take away the Wedge Strategy, the Teach the Controversy thingy and what have you got left?  NOTHING you bird brained nincompoop.

What is left at the core when you strip ID of its politics?  NOTHING you bird brained nincompoop, not a freakin' thing because at it's core it is a political movement that is void, VOID I tell you, of anything scientific and/or intelligent.

Prove me wrong, and show us the "solid scientific and intellectual core than can be weighed apart from political considerations." you freakin' liar for jebus.  And spare us your stupid mouse trap, mt rushmore, fuzzy math nonsense.  

Ahem... I think we have another contestant for the ATbC "Period Post Of the Month Time"... ;)

Date: 2007/03/09 09:00:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ Mar. 09 2007,07:48)
I didn't think the UK demanded money off people to emigrate to it.  So you can all come here.

Thanks for the invite Guthrie!  So, cancel that Koala on the Barbee, and I'll have a Shephards Pie and a Jameson's.   Ah!  I can't wait, someplace nice in the UK, back to my roots maybe...

Yes!  Back to the Old Sod, Belfast, where it's always quiet, peaceful, no military, the streets filled with laughing, cheerful faces, where I am sure my Catholic upbringing will be gladly overlooked and my atheistic beliefs proudly upheld!

Man,  I can't wait!  Where's that Grant Application?

Date: 2007/03/09 11:12:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 09 2007,10:52)
Let's not lose sight of the fact that most of the throw-out-the-non-fundies crowd aren't envisaging deportations involving airfare, a bag of cash and a nice house.  They're thinking trains of cattle wagons crossing the border on the way to the camps.

John - They have their fantasy... I have mine!

At least I don't have to worry about training those #### 72 virgins...  God, what an effing nightmare that would be..  Jeez - I wouldn't wish 72 virgins on my biggest enemy.

Date: 2007/03/11 19:21:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mike PSS @ Mar. 11 2007,17:34)
I would stand anything else against Belgium beers.  Even the Germans and Dutch are envious of the depth, breadth, and quality of the countries beers.

Now THAT'S alchoholic content.  In a beer (O.K.... ale.)

I say "Drink!".

'Tis a bad thing you're doing me boyo, putting a Belgian Beer that sounds like a salad dressing up against my Guiness?  Isn't this how the Troubles started?

And so close to the Biggest Day Of The Year, St. Paddy's Day too.  Ah the shame of it.  May me poor old sainted Ma not hear of the sheer lunacy of your thinkin'.

Date: 2007/03/12 18:23:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 12 2007,17:13)
ID is the kind of poor thinking that results from zealots wanting scientific butressing.

For some reason , I thought this was the Ann Coulter post again.

I can certainly understand DaveScott, Dembski and Patrick needing, deserving and receiving a good old-fashioned  "scientific buttressing"...

Date: 2007/03/13 11:46:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ Mar. 13 2007,10:25)
J. G. Cox,
Second, American Christianity, at least, seems very much to promote the inability to think critically. The way in which faith is instilled in American Christians seems to rely heavily on quashing doubts instead of addressing them; children are punished for asking "why?" too much, arguments are attacked not on their merit but on their consequences, etc.

That is unsubstantiated garbage—a generalization of such simplicity that I can only say that, if this is an example of your critical thinking, then most American Christians I know would run circles around you.

For the record, of the hundreds of Christian families I know, I have never seen one case of a child being punished for asking "why?" too much.

It's just wrong to say that a society cannot be stable and atheist. No one really tried - Stalin made himself into a religion and that's not the same thing.

I agree with the first part—but I think the standard dismissal of Stalin—that he (or Soviet communism) was really a religion is just sleight of hand. Don't like certain inconvenient examples of societies based on atheism? Then simply redefine them as actually being based on religion. Cheap trick. Why not just admit—at least the possibility—that Stalinism is an example of an atheistic experiment gone bad?

Jesus Christ Heddle - You are still the smarmiest poster I have ever run into. Unsubstantiated garbage"? Pot-kettle black!  

You blast poster J G Cox for "unsubstantiated garbage", then do the same thing to him, then add a little ad hominum for good measure:  "a generalization of such simplicity that I can only say that, if this is an example of your critical thinking, then most American Christians I know would run circles around you.

You continue:  "For the record, of the hundreds of Christian families I know, I have never seen one case of a child being punished for asking "why?" too much".

Heddle - Just cuz YOU say it's for the record, does NOT mean it's actually for the record, does it?

Also, your argument with Kristeine is also the same #### thing... Just cuz YOU say it's a "cheap trick" doesn't have any bearing at all about the actual truth of her argument does it?  Heddle says:  Don't like certain inconvenient examples of societies based on atheism? Then simply redefine them as actually being based on religion. Cheap trick.

Why not just admit—at least the possibility—that Stalinism is an example of an atheistic experiment gone bad?

Heddle _ Why don't YOU admit it?  You have been suckered into a belief in a figment of your underactive imagination, and you and your imaginary friend should, in the immortal words of Louis, just STFU.

So take your specious arguments and sophistry, and go play in someone else's sandbox.

Date: 2007/03/13 13:59:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ Mar. 13 2007,12:19)
No, it demonstrates you don't understand what critical thinking means.

My Irony Meter just broke....

Hedle - Anyone that believes in the Big Sky JuJu can not be jumping on anyone for a lack of critical thinking skills... Not unless they want to get laughed at!

I was happy to see that you broke with Buffalo Bill, and I expected you to be able to contribute here in a positive way, but you have reverted to the old, smarmy self that you used to be at Panda's Thumb.  Maybe your meds were changed?  Maybe you always get this way during Lent?  I do not think it is my place to make excuses for you, but you exceed the bounds of decorum in my opinion.

Maybe you could be the first poster to be banned at UD AND here?

Date: 2007/03/13 14:19:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
What To Do About Heddle?

Arden, Kristine, RichardHughes, BWE et al:

You guys and Kristine, have all been here a lot longer than me, so I turn to you for your opinions:

Is it just me, or is Heddle a total pain in the rear?

Isn't he over the edge in his attacks on other posters?

Shouldn't he be warned, cautioned or advised on how to play nice with others?

Date: 2007/03/13 15:01:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 13 2007,13:33)
He doesn't appear to have broken any of Wesley's rules.

Thanks Allan,  I had never seen the rules before..oops... but I do believe we have a violation of the "Annoying" Rule, verging on becomeing a violation of the "Very Annoying" rule...

So Heddle needs to have a Scarlet Letter on all his posts now, and we need to get a filter that will notify us when Heddle goes into VA territory.

Date: 2007/03/13 15:25:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 13 2007,14:01)
We should just call them "freedom force fed foul livers"


Richard Hughes, you ARE one magnificent bastard!

Sorry you had to prompt me, but I actually had to do some work, and I just caught up.  Plus, I got distracted by Ghost of Paley's nonsense post, and subsequently had to beat up Heddle.  

Heddle is sucha dick to other posters, that I had to go to the Bathroom Wall on him, so please read what I say over there - I value all y'alls input.

I also missed Kristine posting like crazy - and finally wising up about Dembski... congratulations Kristine, you go girl!  I also missed the earlier posts about the lawsuit against Dembski's school.  Bwahahaha!

Date: 2007/03/13 17:53:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
BWE - Good save of Dougie's crazed rambling post!

Date: 2007/03/14 10:23:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thank you all for the replies!  I appreciate the feedback, and agree that Heddle should not be banned for being annoying, and he hasn't really done anything that should be cause for banning.  

Yes, he is an annoying, self-rightous Creo fundy nut-job, but as some of you suggest, hey, that's Heddle.  His arrogance *is* rather comical, and  he *is* a walking, talking advertisment against the cancer of Christianity, so at least he's got that going for him!

I like the "ignore him" advice, and I like the "laugh at him" advice, and I will do my best to blend the Board's  consensus with my own.

So, in the future, I will do my best to seperate the DaveTard from the HeddleTard, and thank's again to all of you that responded.

Date: 2007/03/14 18:48:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 14 2007,15:04)
If anybody cares, over at our old buddy AFDave Hawkins has finally given in and agreed to a formal debate with Deadman_932.

The topic is "The Global Flood of Noah described in the Biblical Book of Genesis is a real, historical event and is well supported by the empirical evidence."

DM has already made his opening post, everyone is waiting on Davie to show.

It's a brave new world for Davie - no evading questions, no quote-mining, no equivocating of definitions.  In other words, all his usual tactics are strictly verbotten.

There's a spectator/comments thread already going too.  Lord help me but I'm afraid it's gonna be like watching a tweetybird get run over by a 400 HP riding mower.

Can you sign Heddle up as the next victim, I mean debater?  Something tells me he is quite a Master Debater...

I must say that the imagery of heddle as the tweety bird < riding mower is quite funny also.

Date: 2007/03/14 19:04:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 14 2007,15:04)
If anybody cares, over at our old buddy AFDave Hawkins has finally given in and agreed to a formal debate with Deadman_932.

There's a spectator/comments thread already going too.  Lord help me but I'm afraid it's gonna be like watching a tweetybird get run over by a 400 HP riding mower.

Occam - Thank's dude!  I was able to give you your props at Dawkins' site, and leave a couple of motivational messages for the participants.

Date: 2007/03/14 19:09:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Fross @ Mar. 14 2007,08:19)
I have a couple of kids and my four year old was watching Between the Lions and they had an entire episode devoted to explaining how birds are probably descended from dinosaurs.  I'm just not used to seeing child educational programs go beyond a few common educational themes that typically don't involve evolution.

Have any of you had similar sightings of evolution in kids programming?

You should watch every Nova show with your kids.

Date: 2007/03/15 12:40:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 15 2007,10:29)
Check this out where even IDers think Lushkin is full of shite.  At ISCID he's being accused of the same quote mining riff raff that we accuse him of.  It made me laff.

Thanks!  You just can't beat the good old fun to be had at ID blogs...

That "Nel" BTW needs to be severely bitch-slapped.

Date: 2007/03/15 15:16:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Faid @ Mar. 15 2007,13:51)
Alas! For some bizarre reason, I can't seem to access from my home computer... So I can only check from work, and only for a while.

But it's amazing- dave accepted a formal debate? I have to assume he has absolutely no idea what that means- otherwise he wouldn't dream of doing it!

Too bad I can't watch this new trainwreck more thoroughly... :(

I don't want to cut and past too much, so briefly, AfDave's first post consisted of his listing @ 30 previously discredited and debunked YEC Flood Myths.  Since Afdave is supposed to be "scientifically proving" that the flood actually happened, it doesn't look good for his chances!

It's worth a quick peek at the list-

Henry M. Morris, Ph.D.
1. Worldwide distribution of flood traditions
2. Origin of civilization near Ararat-Babylon region in post-flood time
3. Convergence of population growth statistics on date of flood
4. Dating of oldest living things at post-flood time
5. Worldwide occurrence of water-laid sediments and sedimentary rocks
6. Recent uplift of major mountain ranges
7. Marine fossils on crests of mountains
8. Evidence of former worldwide warm climate
9. Necessity of catastrophic burial and rapid lithification of fossil deposits
10. Recent origin of many datable geological processes
11. Worldwide distribution of all types of fossils
12. Uniform physical appearance of rocks from different “ages”
13. Frequent mixing of fossils from different “ages”
14. Near-random deposition of formational sequences
15. Equivalence of total organic material in present world and fossil world
16. Wide distribution of recent volcanic rocks
17. Evidence of recent water bodies in present desert areas
18. Worldwide occurrence of raised shore lines and river terraces
19. Evidence of recent drastic rise in sea level
20. Universal occurrence of rivers in valleys too large for the present stream
21. Sudden extinction of dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals
22. Rapid onset of glacial period
23. Existence of polystrate fossils
24. Preservation of tracks and other ephemeral markings throughout geologic column
25. Worldwide occurrence of sedimentary fossil “graveyards” in rocks of all “ages”
26. Absence of any physical evidence of chronologic boundary between rocks of successive “ages”
27. Occurrence of all rock types (shale, limestone, granite, etc.) in all “ages”
28. Parallel of supposed evolutionary sequence through different “ages” with modern ecological zonation in the one present age
29. Lack of correlation of most radiometric “ages” with assumed paleontologic “ages”
30. Absence of meteorites in geologic column
31. Absence of hail imprints in geologic column, despite abundance of fossil ripple-marks and raindrop imprints
32. Evidence of man’s existence during earliest of geologic “ages” (e.g., human footprints in Cambrian, Carboniferous, and Cretaceous formations)

I especially like dave's use of the apologetics link.
I am not sure there is a word in the English language that properly describes how dumb dave is, or how badly he will get stomped!

Date: 2007/03/16 13:22:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (steve_h @ Mar. 16 2007,11:25)
[quote=Richardthughes,Mar. 16 2007,17:47]Gil shows us why he's uncommonly dense:


Actually, this is a very interesting post at UD, in that several posters call Gil out on being a moron, and their posts haven't been Magicaly Disapeared.  Even DaveScot, the Tardmaster "hisself", has been chastised in writing!?

Maybe too much Old Bushmills for DaveScott?  (I don't want him drinking Jamesons - that for us good guys - Dave can stick with the Proddy product)

Date: 2007/03/16 15:00:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 16 2007,12:22)
[quote=steve_h,Mar. 16 2007,11:25]
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 16 2007,17:47)
Gil shows us why he's uncommonly dense:


Actually, this is a very interesting post at UD, in that several posters call Gil out on being a moron, and their posts haven't been Magicaly Disapeared.  Even DaveScot, the Tardmaster "hisself", has been chastised in writing!?

Maybe too much Old Bushmills for DaveScott?  (I don't want him drinking Jamesons - that for us good guys - Dave can stick with the Proddy product)

Jesus H Christ on a crutch, I should know better by now!

All the critical comments are gone... poofed by The Designert into the same spot that AFDave's Global Flood Waters went away to.

Date: 2007/03/16 19:47:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 16 2007,16:56)
I also put out the argument that learning foreign languages was sinful and anti-Biblical, since God specifically created different languages at the Tower of Babel so we humans couldn't all talk to teach other.  Not only were the fundies utterly unable to make any coherent argument against that, but I actually made a convert to my point of view.

They are idiots, all.

Praise Jeebus!  You made a convert!

After all, God must be telling us something because bable and bible sound so much alike!

If you just put it through the Dembski Filter, it will prove it to you.  Where you = troutmac.

Date: 2007/03/16 20:02:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 16 2007,18:17)
Didnt DBB come out in like 96? Hardly Contemporary ;)

EDIT: Found this review of DBB  

Michael Behe is a biophysics professor at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania and his book, released last summer, has been causing a firestorm of activity in academic circles ever since.

The stranglehold that Darwinism has had in the biological sciences for decades has already been weakened over the last 30 years due to the new creationist movement and more recently by the push from intelligent design theorists. But Behe's new book may end up being the straw that broke the camel's back.

You'd never guess the review was from 97 :)

Heres the c.v. for Behe's book "reviewer":
Raymond G. Bohlin - is executive director of Probe Ministries. He is a graduate of the University of Illinois (B.S., zoology), North Texas State University (M.S., population genetics), and the University of Texas at Dallas (M.S., Ph.D., molecular biology). He is the co-author of the book The Natural Limits to Biological Change, served as general editor of Creation, Evolution and Modern Science, and has published numerous journal articles. Dr. Bohlin was named a 1997-98 and 2000 Research Fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture.

Probe Ministries?  Ouch, that's got to hurt...
I also like that they were still including the "Renewal" in the DI's title...

Date: 2007/03/19 10:28:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 19 2007,08:04)
Quote (djmullen @ Mar. 19 2007,06:28)
Quote (Jake @ Mar. 18 2007,05:04)
I see Dembski is running his class on UD principles:
(1)  Mid-term exam — 20 percent positive.  
(2)  Final exam — 30 percent positive.  
(3)  Exercises — 50 percent positive. Exercises appear at the end of each chapter in  NCM. Answers to all these exercises need to be written out and handed in each  week.  
(4) Single-page executive summary of YOU (with clearly recognizable embedded  picture of yourself) — minus 5 percent if not handed in. Due beginning of second  week of class.  
(5) Active class participation — up to 10 percent negative.  

Or, in English, active participation can't possibly help your grade, but if you participate anyway and Dembski doesn't like what you say, it will cost you grade points!

To be fair, this could also be read this as 'if you do not participate actively in class discussions, you will lose marks', which is fair enough. The course outline PDF has this written as 'full class participation', next to 'punctual attendance' - surely people arent going to lose marks for being on time!

To be even fairer (and more realistic), using UD rules, any poor kid who commits science or any other intellectual activity will lose a grade point.  He'll probably have DaveScot proctor his lectures and personally escort any malefactor (at least any who are weak enough) to the door and toss him or her out (up to three feet if the perp is light enough).

You'll note that I'm assuming here that Dembski is, if not right, at least consistent.

"Hi class, welcome back. I'm sure you're all interested in how you did on last week's test. Well, here's the grade distribution. There were 3 A's, 7 B's, 9 C's, 2 D's, 1 F, and 6 bannings."

Just think about what someone has to say or DO to get an A from DeMbski!

Date: 2007/03/19 14:07:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 19 2007,11:49)
I couldn't find out anything about salaries, but I see that they need a cataloger! (But do they accept women for this? After all, that's technical services, not stereotypical "liberry"-an stuff. On the other hand, they have it listed along with "cashier" and "prep cook," so I guess... :p

Kristine - Since you are known and easily identifiable as a woman, please feel free to apply for any subservient positions at the Seminary.  Please keep in mind that God has clearly stated that women are NOT allowed on top at seminaries.  Or anyplace else.  

As DaveScott and Dr. Bill and God On High will tell you - don't you have something to do in the kitchen?

Date: 2007/03/19 14:09:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 19 2007,11:49)
I couldn't find out anything about salaries, but I see that they need a cataloger! (But do they accept women for this? After all, that's technical services, not stereotypical "liberry"-an stuff. On the other hand, they have it listed along with "cashier" and "prep cook," so I guess... :p

Kristine - Since you are known and easily identifiable as a woman, please feel free to apply for any subservient positions at the Seminary.  Please keep in mind that God has clearly stated that women are NOT allowed on top at seminaries.  Or anyplace else.  

As DaveScott and Dr. Bill and God On High will tell you - don't you have something to do in the kitchen?  

ps:  I think women that are smarter than they are scare the #### out of them!

Date: 2007/03/19 14:18:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Is this the Abdul you had in mind?

Date: 2007/03/20 10:14:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 20 2007,00:47)
It's even better than you think.  Dembski stole that coin-flipping example from Richard Dawkins, who used it in his 1991 Royal Institution Christmas Lectures to explain why coincidences are not evidence for the supernatural.  The demonstration begins at 3:30 into this video:

Keiths:  So, you're basically saying that a fine upstanding Christian gentleman, that actually teaches at a Seminary for Christ's sake, with 2 doctorates to his name would stoop to lying and using unatributed quotations in public?  What's next?  Hiring a moronic thug to manage his website I suppose?

Date: 2007/03/20 13:29:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 20 2007,10:53)
Every few days I check in with the AFDave threads over at The guy still persists. It's mildly surprising. He's like an Oliver Sacks book: The Man Who Couldn't Feel His A55 Getting Kicked Every Single Day.

Yes, kicking his mental butt is all good, BUT I want to hear more about what k.e. said about AFDave's criminal past.  That takes him out of the mode of "just another crazy creo", to a whole new level, as in Crazy Mother-Effing Creo, like Kent Hovind, Pastor Ted and creos that have tasted and liked the Dark Side.

Date: 2007/03/20 13:49:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 20 2007,11:50)
Boy, Dembski must be one controlling, morbid, humorless shit. (He tells that "God says to scientists, 'Getcher own dirt'" age-old joke too, and the audience laughs because they never heard it in their huge panorama of their livingrooms/attached garage/commute/work&church world. *Ba-dum, chuh!* He's there all year, everyone.) :p

Kristine - How could you be so wrong about Your Dr. Dembski?  If I can quote that Fine Upstanding, Cheesy-Poofed American, Mr. DaveScot Springer, who says you are Just So Totally Wrong about Mr. Bill - He's a laugh riot!  I just got this from For The Kids (Thanks for the link Richard)

DaveScot said...

Bill's a whole heck of lot less uptight in private with people he trusts. I thought it was hilarious when he got busted being the voice of Judge Jones. It was me who told him he got busted. In public he has to try to maintain a reasonable likeness to a seriously Christian theology professor at a Christian university. In private he's much more of a regular guy who you can have some laughs with. You're way more refined and proper than he is although if it wasn't for the Judge Jones animation no one who didn't know him would suspect such a thing.

Have some laughs with?  Hangin' Wit Dr. D?  Seems to me it would be like hanging out with those light-hearted playful Spanish Inquisitors.  Ouch!

Date: 2007/03/20 14:06:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 20 2007,12:35)
Uh oh. Looks like Javison is desperate for attention again.

(Thanks to Falan Ox for bringing this to our notice.)


John Davison says evoltion Is Finished:

I do not want to open a Google Account, just so I can comment , but if he would allow me to post, I would write:
Reverse evolution is currently being proved by creationists and IDers.  They have been selectively breeding (in-breeding) for only a few hundred years, however, we can clearly see a reversion to pre-Homon Sapiens mental levels, as exhibited by their less than wise comments and beliefs.

Date: 2007/03/22 08:39:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (djmullen @ Mar. 22 2007,05:32)
Dembski should convert his ones to tens (Hamilton, a non-slave owner) immediately and burn any left overs.

Wouldn't it be better for Dembski to emulate his ID Designer Hero and become a burning bush?

And since I am sure that he is also a GW denier, he wouldn't have to be concerned about having a negative impact on the environment.

Burn Baby Burn!

ps:  I would suggest the Burning Monk scenario, but no way does Dembski have the balls to set himself on fire.
He will have to rely on His Saviour, I mean Designer to "light him up".  I can even hear DaveScot saying "smoke if you got 'em".

Date: 2007/03/22 13:21:06, Link
Author: J-Dog

This is from the Red State Rabble blog, and Dembski's quote mining of Darwin is even worse that we originally thought!  Read on - if you have a cast-iron stomach:

Dembski Channeling Colbert?

Yesterday, William Dembski, the ID theorist, theologian, philosopher, mathematician, and sound effects man, who publishes the Uncommon Descent blog decided to add another area of expertise to his already formidable repertoire.

He decided to out-Colbert, Stephen Colbert.

Dembski wrote that "when I want to feel good about our shared humanity, I curl up with Darwin’s DESCENT OF MAN and read passages like the following:

The reckless, degraded, and often vicious members of society, tend to increase at a quicker rate than the provident and generally virtuous members. Or as Mr. Greg puts the case: “The careless, squalid, unaspiring Irishman multiplies like rabbits: the frugal, foreseeing, self-respecting, ambitious Scot, stern in his morality, spiritual in his faith, sagacious and disciplined in his intelligence, passes his best years in struggle and in celibacy, marries late, and leaves few behind him. Given a land originally peopled by a thousand Saxons and a thousand Celts—and in a dozen generations five-sixths of the population would be Celts, but five-sixths of the property, of the power, of the intellect, would belong to the one-sixth of Saxons that remained. In the eternal ’struggle for existence,’ it would be the inferior and less favoured race that had prevailed—and prevailed by virtue not of its good qualities but of its faults.”

Pretty damning, isn't?

And Dembski, of course, drives home the point that these sorts of views, while once popular, are now beyond the pale by adding: "What a great mind, indeed. What a wonderful human being. What a marvelous vision of the human family."

Is this what Darwin really believed? Is it true that Darwin's theory of evolution, as the comments to Dembski's post attest, is the basis for racism, eugenics, and the Nazi's?

If it were true, it would be terrible indeed.

Before we decide, let's do what Dembski and his readers didn't. Let's read the passage in context. Here's a link to the Project Gutenburg online text of Descent of Man.

As you can see, the first sentence cited by Dembski (The reckless, degraded...) is Darwin summarizing the views of Greg and Galton. The rest of the paragraph is Darwin quoting Greg.

Does Darwin do this because he agrees with Greg and Galton? No. He cites their arguments in order to refute them. They argue that if evolution were true, the Irish would "multiply like rabbits" and the good frugal Scots would, by their habit of marrying late, become extinct. In effect, Greg and Galton are making a powerful argument against evolution in man.

Darwin goes on in succeeding paragraphs to offer a number of arguments against this line of thinking -- which after all, challenges the validity of his theory of evolution.

Nothing in the paragraph, not one word, reflects what Darwin believed.

While Red State Rabble profoundly admires Dembski's skills as a sound man, we don't believe he's mastered Colbert's humor. Colbert is funny because we know he's playing O'Reilly. O'Reilly himself just isn't funny because he really believes the idiotic things that come out of his mouth and, for the same reason, Dembski isn't funny, either.

In fact, there's good evidence that Dembski himself harbors the sort of views expressed in the citation by Greg and Galton. Here are two examples from his blog:

"Policies which deprecated European culture, frowned on a national identity, lowered the birthrate, created a welfare state, imported ‘guest workers’, promoted mindless multiculturalism and relied on ‘international’ treaties for protection ... "
During the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina Dembski offered this advice on how to deal with looters.
So, here's our advice to Dembski. To be funny like Colbert, we have to know you're not serious. In this case, your history of quote mining works against the notion that you expected us to get the joke. We're left believing that you're just cynical, and that's a bad thing in a theologian.

Stick to the fart noises, it's what you know.

Date: 2007/03/22 13:47:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Blogging about Karl Rove is on-topic.  Anytime you can watch a pig explode it is a useful scientific event.  And of course GW is walking talking proof of the De-Evolution Of The Species.  I contend that if the Fundies maintain their in-breeding, mentally and physically, over the course of time, we will be able to view Homo Stupidus in all it's glory.

Date: 2007/03/23 11:12:54, Link
Author: J-Dog

Mucho Happy Belated Birthday!

Sorry I missed the Big Event, I had stuff to do...but
I found a Man-hunk to say hi to you - well, he's a man-hunk at least compared to me!

ps:  Woody want to know if you have a younger sister?
pps:  Edited post - Sorry - There was WAY TOO much Woody there!

Date: 2007/03/23 11:35:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Mar. 23 2007,06:46)
And what they can’t explain, they can deny or rule out of order (psi, for example).

Well, evidently Denyse has evidence that psychic abilities exist!  Where might this be? (wait, let me guess - I have to buy the book!).

Frankey - Good Post - It looks like UD's loss is our gain, but I think you are wrong about a couple of things:

1.  Dr. Peter Venkman has been doing research in the area that Denyse is focused in on.

2.  We were able to  obtain a picture of the latest equipment that Densyse will use to help Dr. Venkman in his research.  

The only holdup thus far, is that Dr. Venkman is adament that the research process is enhanced with using ONLY 18-20 year-old co-eds, and he is still in the process of selecting the appropriate parties.  However, Dr. Venkman, in previous studies, HAS shown that Friday nights are a GREAT selection opportunity, so he is very confident and feeling somewhat lucky!

Date: 2007/03/23 12:23:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Mar. 23 2007,10:48)
Dr. Peter Venkman has been doing research in the area that Denyse is focused in on.

Yeah PSI might work, but I didn't know you were going to give me electric shocks!

Frankey - Nah, don't worry about it - Those shocks are for Denyse.  She get's a little cranky(ier) if she doesn't get them in time...

You do have to be careful not to get hit with a back-blast however... she IS from Canada, so we have to up her dose 10.125 % because of the exchange rate, so some leakage does occur.

Date: 2007/03/23 12:55:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Kristine,Mar. 22 2007,23:29] Cruel, but effective (and if we teach ID in schools, boobies won't be cruel to each other anymore?).  

Kristine - Thanks for the lead-in!  Did you REALLY think that this would get past your fellow sharp-eyed posters?


Date: 2007/03/23 14:00:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 23 2007,12:41)
So, if I was a cute chick you guys would have wished me a happy birthday on the 22nd as well?

Yes.  Absolutely.  

Fortunately for us, you are *NOT* as you say a " cute chick", and therefore, you will just have to wait until your birthday rolls around next year, for birthday greetings, my good man.  Oh, *do* keep a  stiff upper lip about it eh what?  

(####!  I'm channelling John Cleese again!)

Oh all right.  Happy belated birthday too.  Do you feel better now?  Really.

Date: 2007/03/23 14:42:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (2ndclass @ Mar. 23 2007,12:52)
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 23 2007,08:59)
Miller has a talk that he gives on campuses throughout the U.S. titled “The Collapse of Intelligent Design.” Let me suggest that if there is any collapsing going on, it is in Miller’s psyche and in his increasing inability to prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID.

Dr. Dembski, you can suggest it all you want.  May I suggest that you suggest it in a forum that actually has any import, such as a deposition, a witness stand, or a tech journal?

I think he's hiding something - Dembksi says:
"prosecute a reasoned argument when it comes to ID"

Maybe's he's killed DaveScot and burried him in the Big ID Lab outback...  A falling out between thieves as it were.

Or maybe his mommy didn't breast-feed him long enough, and he has some repressed sexual issues he's trying to work through, but all he know is he wants to be prosecuted, he wants to be hurt....
He is such a BAD boy!

Date: 2007/03/23 14:46:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Pretty funny - How did you find out about this?  I am assuming that the Graphic artist didn't call you right?

Date: 2007/03/23 19:30:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 23 2007,16:04)
Absolutely every woman on the internet is in fact a 300lb single male in his fifties blogging from a wheelchair. It was proven last year.

EEWWWW!  That's almost as sick as a UD screed from Dr. Dembski or DaveScot.  We do have standards here right?  Shouldn't nasty word pictures like this this be moved to the bathroom wall?

Date: 2007/03/27 08:46:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2007,21:16)
This whole thread is worth a read, especially the bit about "Dembski's day job"..

Richard - Good catch - thanks for posting the link.  What is REALLY interesting though,  is who the "Dave" poster is (not DaveScot - him I do NOT want to know).  The Smart Dave asks For The Kids some very good questions, which she dodges, but he calls her and DaveScot out on not answering the questions,  so good job SmartDave.

Date: 2007/03/27 14:07:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Mar. 27 2007,12:35)
Good to see you are back Louis. Does this mean that you are playing here again on a regular basis?

Yes, good to see you back again.

Date: 2007/03/27 15:03:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 26 2007,21:32)

Being built like an average NFL football player has its advantages but at my age I should be shooting for middleweight boxer instead.

Richard - Thanks for the link - At the end of the post, DaveScot tries to lure FTK to his little Texas Love-nest with his water-sport skilz.  And since Dave, according to Dave,  has lost a lot of weight lately, we have to update his new slimmed-down water-sport picture:

Date: 2007/03/27 15:14:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 27 2007,13:22)
Poor cavemen, no personal relationship with Christ! It's ok b'cos Theologan TrouTMac steps in:
On a theological note, and from a Biblical standpoint, ancient man would have had salvation through faith in Christ just as we do… their faith looked forward to a promised messiah, while our's looks back.

But if we Listen To TroutMac we'll get ever so confused.
I'm very skeptical of the notion that humans EVER lived as the "stereotypical" caveman. So in one sense, I agree with you… ancient civilizations would probably surprise us with their technology, relative to the popular conception of that technology is.

You know Troutmac is sooooo totally wrong!  I remember what happened like it was yesterday...

This fast-talking dude with long hair and @ 11-12 of his friends came to our cave, said he had some Big Magic for us. So, he tried talking to us on this little hill - he called it a Sermon on the Mount or something?   Boorring....

Anyway, to make a long story short, we'd had a tough winter, they were not from our tribe, so we killed him and all his friends and ate them.  Damnd guy gave me gas too.

We didn't get bothered by any stinking shamans for quite a while after that, so I guess it was kind of a miracle, you know?

Date: 2007/03/27 18:15:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 27 2007,16:39)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 27 2007,07:46)
 What is REALLY interesting though,  is who the "Dave" poster is (not DaveScot - him I do NOT want to know).  The Smart Dave asks For The Kids some very good questions, which she dodges, but he calls her and DaveScot out on not answering the questions,  so good job SmartDave.

(steps forward)

I am Spartacus.

    No, *I* am Spartacus . . .

I'm Spartacus. . . .

       I am Spartacus . . . . . . . .

Spartacus - Good luck with the slave revolt thing, man.  Let me know if I can help.

Date: 2007/03/28 09:46:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 28 2007,08:29)
First of all, there are two posters here who I don't talk to,

Well, you're two different posters yourself, so it all works out very neatly.

Please make that 3 posters you don't talk to, and add me to your list.

Date: 2007/03/28 11:29:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 28 2007,09:31)
Well, now that FtK has joined up here, I can come out of the closet! I'm Dave (really). I had an account here as Albatrossity, but somehow that account disappeared, so when I tried to post yesterday, I was told that the username was not on the list of registered users... Richard was kind enough to forward my tale of woe to stevestory, and he forwarded it to Wesley, but as of today I still could not log in with that username.

So I did what appears to be a common thing (judging from the list of members, at least); I created a second account as Albatrossity2.

Background info and website

I am a biology professor at KSU in Manhattan KS, my research interests are broad (ranging from lipid metabolism to stable isotope studies in grassland birds), and I also am charged with coordinating our large intro bio course every fall semester. Given my location in KS, the ID controversy has occupied a fair amount of my time and interest in the last few years, and I have participated in several local events sponsored by Sigma Xi and our local Center for the Understanding of Origins (a multidisciplinary group of scientists and scholars in Biology, Physics, Entomology, Geology, Philosophy and English) dedicated to increasing understanding of science and how it works.

Thanks for the kind words, and I thank you also for the insights and understandings that all of your posts have given to me!

Welcome Albatrosity2.  I look forward to your continuing
the outstanding ID takedowns that you posted so well at FTK's blog.

I believe that as Mr. Jefferson once said you are:  "Moving On Up".  That's George, not Tom BTW...

However, I do think you should change your name ASAP to: SmartDave, or possibly DaveSmart, to distinguish yourself from DumbDave, aka DaveScot.

Date: 2007/03/28 13:06:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 28 2007,08:44)
Quote Discussion Board welcomes our newest member Ftk making a total of 1170 registered members.
That's actually pretty brave of her. Good for her.


Richard - Do NOT get a swelled head, but I just re-read your lined post, and it's still *absolutely* effing- funny-out-loud.  

ps:  I hope FTK gets a chance to read it too!  (hint!)

pps:  I hope DaveTard gets to read it too!  Maybe him and Mike, I mean Mr. Dell can share a laugh over it the next time Dave is cutting his lawn!

Date: 2007/03/29 12:40:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 29 2007,11:15)
Hmm. I feel a Snippette™ coming on.

Any of you lot have any suggestions or requests?

Yes, I do!

I think it was done in the ID Lab, with a monkey wrench, by Professor Dembski.

Date: 2007/03/29 12:44:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (MidnightVoice @ Mar. 29 2007,09:03)

Religion belongs to "the abject childhood of our species", Christopher Hitchens told an audience at Westminster Hall in London last night. The author and journalist condemned the "medieval barbarism" of religious conflicts the world over and urged those listening to oppose the religious impulse whenever it shows itself. "It shows very well that religion is created ... by a species half a chromosome away from a chimpanzee," he spat.

He was defending the motion that "This house believes we'd be better off without religion", and he had some formidable artillery on his side - the philosopher Professor AC Grayling and the evolutionary biologist Professor Richard Dawkins, to whom Mr Hitchens referred tongue-in-cheekly as a "spokesman for the moderate wing" of the atheist movement.

Yes, I think he is right.  Religion is just another vestigal trait.

Date: 2007/03/30 10:41:49, Link
Author: J-Dog

No - I haven't gone over to the darkside.   What this dickweed needs is to have someone appear to him in a dream and tell him to STFU.  

Maybe when the Big Chocklate Christ gets tired of just "hanging out", he can put in a personal apperance to this guy and slap him around a little.  Okay, a lot.

Date: 2007/03/30 10:49:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 29 2007,14:46)
With that haircut, dollar to doughnuts they are homos, too - DS

Carlsonjok - Man, that's some GOOD posting, getting DS to visit and add to the post, just like old times on UD!

Actually, Dave's looks would probably be improved with this kind of haircut I think.

Date: 2007/03/30 14:25:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (swbarnes2 @ Mar. 30 2007,13:03)
Now, I’m perfectly willing to believe that plenty of religious people will at least be able to take a stab at arguing that their beliefs are a little more rational than believing that the ancient Mayans put Coca-Cola machines all over the surface of Titan for thirsty astronauts, or that there’s a 1982 Ms. Pac Man at the center of the sun.  
But Skeptic just claimed that he/she can’t explain why his/her religious beliefs are any more valid (or less stupid) than the above beliefs.

Ahem... From the surface of Titan...

Date: 2007/03/30 15:13:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 30 2007,12:26)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 29 2007,20:56)

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 29 2007,18:47)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 29 2007,18:37)
*Backslides, copies pic* Sorry, I know you guys don't understand it.

I understand.  

After all, I declared publicly that I'd "do" Ann Coulter.  ;)

You guys are both total perverts.

Arden, you're starting to sound like a a certain editor I could mention.


What does Dembski know about sex?  The guy is probably STILL a virgin!  Yeah.  So what.  He's got kids... your point?

Kristine - Put down the photo, back away from the printer, nobody has to get hurt...

Report for some re-grooving, and you'll be good-as-new, back to shimmying and kicking some ID buttocks soon!

Date: 2007/03/30 19:08:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2007,13:18)

Occam's A - This is so beautiful man... It's the PERFECT gift for AFDave, DaveScot, Dembski and all my favorite Fundies !

It's like it was designed to fit them!  Gee Dr. Dr. Dembski, what are the odds?

Date: 2007/03/30 19:17:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (skeptic @ Mar. 30 2007,17:18)
And, Louis, the title of the thread is "Are Radical Atheists Dangerous?", not "Is a Secular Society a bad thing?".  

skeptic -  I believe the correct answer to the question is "Yes".  We are dangerous to old-fashioned fundy bible-thumpin' believers and hellfire and brimstone preachers.

Didn't mean to interrupt Louis,  but I thought of giving the appropriate one-word answer when this thread first began, and didn't do it.  I could have saved a lot of people a lot of keyboard pounding if I had given in to the impulse 2 weeks ago!

Date: 2007/03/30 19:58:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (phonon @ Mar. 30 2007,16:50)
OT, but this is great!!

And is that Phyllis Schafly or Rita Cosby?

              TIME TO STOMP OUT HERESY!!!!

Kristine says:  Yes, they are that stupid. I've heard that one before. I heard it in church.

This was in the late 1970s and I think they used a potato chip bag, but it's the same story...  

Kristine - I SWEAR I am NOT stalking you - I just ran into your post at Mike's...

 But, I have to ask - Are you sure that the God Of The Penut Butter is the same as the God Of The Potato Chip?  

Cool!  This like the Good Old Days of Christianity when they could argue for years about the "Trinity" and how many angels could dance on the head of a pin!

Now we just need to "root out the evil" and get rid of all who deny that the God Of Chips and the God Of PB are One and The Same...

Is it time for the Spanish Inquisition yet?

Date: 2007/03/31 21:52:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 31 2007,20:44)
My point was that the default position should be design, until proven otherwise, because design seems to scream at us.

No, GilDodgen, the default scientific position is "We don't know." If you want to propose a scientific hypothesis based on voices you hear screaming in your head, that's fine. However, to constitute a valid hypothesis, it must make specific empirical predictions that can be used to distinguish that assertion from the infinitude of other such assertions. Intelligent Design fails to meet this criteria. Intelligent Design doesn't even form a reasonable scientific speculation as it repudiates what is already known and refuses to be bound by empiricism.

Zachariel:  I think your post just summed up the totallity of the entire ID vs. reality position.

Date: 2007/04/03 11:18:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ April 03 2007,10:17)
8 miles high and falling fast .......yeee har.

.....Must have been one of his blew up on the launch pad....Dembski and Behe get nasty burns...god ...oh the designer refuses to attend court to state his case to end argument for ever. Leaves ID in tatters supported only by a rusted on backwash loony fringe.

Ex Nazi rocket scientist discovered to be founding father of ID.

Stories of U boats with billions in gold bullion to found a 5th Reich resurface after Bill Dembski applies his EF filter to Von Braun’s unpublished manifesto for Designer World; a utopian walled state within a state where dissent is crushed through a Matrix like thought control PC/TV screen spewing Designer Party propaganda into every home.

NEWSPEAK reports 91% success.

The Designer Party demands 100% before implementing the final solution.

Designer Party broadcasts called DOG casts are carried on every news channel and the Designer’s message completely permeates every corner of society.  ‘Bless us O Designer’ is printed on Designer currency and his corporate symbol (a capital D with a semicolon in yellow or after dark a snake eating its own tail) is placed all over the country, people have T shirts printed with it and give them away on street corners along with the Designer Parties little black book a plagiarized reprinting of the Gospel according to Judas where the Designer Party apparatchiks have their names replace the Apostles ….William, Michael, Casey, Davetard, Sal etc.

What is left of government allows the Designer Party to take over the delivery of social security which is renamed as WHAMO.

Meetings are called once a week on Designer day where Designerists call the Party faithful to order and intone serious messages that scare children and cause them to grow up, get drunk and not wear undies to nightclubs and post the photos on MySpace.

TV's in Elevators and other public spaces urge followers of the Designer Party on as they go to their workstations to wage a cyber war on reality.

Whole countries disappear in a sea of useless noise as the Designer Party takes over the world’s most powerful democracy and fills the airwaves with manufactured homogenous drivel to both titillate and bore and totally mask the body count.

Forming an unholy alliance with a sinister cabal of corporations seemingly much more powerful than the mysterious Designer who seems to be permanently absent with only his press office able to issue ‘news releases' the Designer Party shows His agenda has perfect resonance with Halliburton's and Microsoft's corporate aims .....a monopoly on oil requiring helicoptor gunships to recover and Saint Bill the 1sts ascendency to sainthood. .

k.e. - Nicely done - Are you working on the sequal now?

Date: 2007/04/03 12:51:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2007,11:11)
Truss rod at the top (near peghead).  

Reverse headstock.  

US-3 peghead.

6150 Frets

1.650” nut width

21 frets

C-shape, 0.875 thickness, 7-1/4" to 9-1/2" compound radius

Paua shell inlay on both top and side

Gotoh Schaller-style Knob Tuners (10mm pegholes)

And FTK is just not going to put up with your F%^ing potty mouth!  Why, the very idea of posting and bragging about your "pickup routing" , your "truss-rod",  your "peghead" and your "Knob Tuners"!

But seriously, she looks like a sweet machine, and I would love to finger her.

The guitar that is.

Date: 2007/04/03 13:11:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ April 03 2007,12:47)
Recently,there was a bit of correspondence between moderators of our list about the question of whether aggressive Darwinists can be accused of being like Nazis.

Now, my own view on this subject is as follows: I don’t really care whether Darwinists who routinely launch or justify persecutions [such as?] against non-materialists are offended. It’s absolutely fine with me if they realize that their actions are closely observed and recorded.

By whom? The Department of Homeland Security? I'm not the one who makes statements at UD about violently overthrowing the government because of how the Supreme Court ruled.
I am concerned rather about any offence given to victims of Nazis and their children/grandchildren by too-casual use of such terms. When I was young (and, for a brief period, sick), I was cared for by several nurses who had camp tattoos on their forearms.

Well I have Jewish in-laws so go blow your kazoo. Are you sure those nurses weren't gay? They were in the concentration camps too, you know. Did you know that, Denyse? Did you know that some Jews are atheists and "Darwinists" BTW?
Enough of that.
Now more of that.    
Is the modern Darwinist typically a eugenicist? No, not typically, and that is something that has always puzzled me.

As you know, I have myself written several posts on the fundamental incoherence of Darwinists on the issue of eugenics, which Darwin himself brilliantly (and, I am sure, unwittingly!) demonstrated by his attitude to the Irish in his day.

Darwin - observing that, in the natural course of events, the Irish would overtake the other ethnic groups in the British Isles

The eugenic heritage is something that Darwinists have never properly dealt with - probably because they can’t.
Yes, we're not control freaks like you and accept that we can't change the minds of people who are clueless whereas you argue yourself into knots in an obvious effort to whip up the nerve to stop talking and start shooting.

The embarrassing problem is NOT that today’s Darwinists are really racists or anti-Semites but don’t want to be tarred as such. That’s clearly untrue.
Thanks for that, sistah. You're all heart, Denyse. Are any Jewish atheists? This is a quiz.

Rather, the embarrassing problem is that the early Darwinists didn’t really believe what they wanted the public to believe - that natural selection created all things bright and beautiful. So they
Please, I can't stand it. Who is she talking about? Who specifically "felt" what and how does she know what other people feel?    

Feeling robots? - Well, as long as you feel they feel, it is true for you. Or so they say. You’ll be doing all the feeling.
Yeah, I just read your post and I'm doing all the feeling - #### straight. I'm fucking terrified. I certainly don't expect you to do any feeling, you tightlaced, finger-waving, shaming prude robot-cog for the glorious intelligent design of a Christian theocracy in the U.S.! Leave my government alone, Denyse and Borne, since you can't vote here and I can. I'm not in your concentration camp yet.

There comes a point when I think I should walk away from all of this, because it’s seriously making me depressed, and scaring the living shit out of me, or if I should keep an eye on these people because I am scared shitless that they are trying to talk themselves into planting bombs and turning their guns on their neighbor in the name of God and goodness.

I am serious. All this talk of “eugenics” is starting to sound like jealousy to me! Obviously they do not see “Darwinists” (for the love of Pete that’s just a word they invented to dehumanize people – replace it with “Jews” and see what happens) as “things bright and beautiful” either. Maybe they can get rid of “us”? After all it’s not eugenics if they do it, since it wouldn’t be abortion, but war (and God loves war). Get it? And it's not eugenics if it's a "global experiment", either.

The planet is not on fire but "we are the arsonists." Figure that out. And we want to do something about it because we're horrible monsters. Got it.

I'm sitting here at work thinking, Crap, these crazies know who and where I am.

Kristine - Please keep in mind this is "IDists" we are talking about, NOT Al Quida terrorists, or even your garden variety, run of the mill Islamic Terrorists...

Given the quality of their ideas, positions, past successes and communication skills, I don't think you should be concerned.  

You people of the female persuasion just need to watch more Three Stooges, and mentally subsitute Dembski, DaveScot and Sal for Larry, Moe and Curley.  (You could throw in Denyse to represent Shep... come to think of it, they both look to share certain genetic characteristics...)

Bottom line, I think Larry, Moe and Dembski would have trouble getting laid at a "bordello", and although they may be mentally scarry, the only physical fear is that
1.) You might catch their cooties if they touch you and
2.) You might get hit in the head with that ladder they are waving about.

Date: 2007/04/03 13:36:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think PZ sums her up pretty well:

For the Kids
AKA FtK A particularly contemptible creationist who specializes in smarm and ooze.

It was interesting to watch "Dave" (Albatrossity2) post on her lame blog, but she came here with a chip on her overweight shoulder, and she can leave with a kick to her no doubt expansive backside.  

Date: 2007/04/03 19:21:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ April 03 2007,13:54)

I assure you I don't have an "expansive" backside.  In fact, I'm a 5'10" blond who could probably take quite a few of you science types.  Your stereotypical nerdy scientist has never been described as particularly studly.  

My blog diet was set up in preparation for the summer bikini.

Have a nice day boys...

Thanks for the update, but science is all about hypothesis and observation.

Hypothesis:  On diet to slim down


Conclusion:  Perfect match for DaveTard and/or Family Size bag of Cheesy Poofs

Date: 2007/04/03 19:43:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 03 2007,14:21)
Darwinists, eugenicists, and new stories at The Mindless Hack

Recently,there was a bit of correspondence between moderators of our list about the question of whether aggressive Darwinists can be accused of being like Nazis.

I don't know that Uncommonly Denyse has ever extruded a stranger stack of words.  

If I understand her correctly, modern Darwinists are neither racist, nor support eugenics.  Early Darwinists were and did, but they wouldn't have had they been truly consistent Darwinists, so this is a good time to remind us that Darwinists have been compared to Nazis...

No, scratch that.  

She doesn't mind if Darwinists are scrutinized and their "actions recorded" because they aren't racist...

Uh, scratch that.

Darwinism taken at its word should produce all that is good and golden, but it doesn't, so Darwinists should believe in eugenics, but they don't, and they tend to be moral, so they are inconsistent...

Wait, scratch that.  

Modern Darwinists should support eugenics, but they don't, so they are inconsistent, but eugenics doesn't really follow from Darwinism...

Scratch that.  

Up Next: Uncommonly Denyse holds forth on Consciousness, the Unsolved Problem...

Denyse just forgot to translate her thoughts from Canadian to Real American, and the discount today is @ 12.125%.  This of course means that instead of her ideas being "slightly off the wall", in reality her ideas are  totally over the edge.  

She has segued from a Luskinized Littany of Lies, into a  Half-Hovind and then to a Total "Father Moon" Wells".

Bottom line:  We're trying to close the wrong bedamed border!

Date: 2007/04/05 14:46:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
link!  I must have link!

Date: 2007/04/05 15:01:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ April 04 2007,20:47)
... I really should be getting back to my own blog and work on my review of the Humes lecture.

FTK - Well, if you don't want to discuss science, maybe you could discuss your thoughts from the recent Humes Discussion.

Or, maybe you could "grant us immunity" and allow us to post on your blog
You could also discuss the following:

To:  U.S. Congress
We the people declare that we like big butts and, despite our best efforts, we cannot lie. This petition declares that you other brothers can't deny.


Date: 2007/04/05 15:11:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (argystokes @ April 05 2007,11:14)
Quote (Louis @ April 05 2007,08:43)
Nice one Argy!

A mate of mine was working on developing a better process for the Viagra synthesis (this is after they'd discovered its "interesting side effect") he'd always say things like "It's hard, but we're getting there" and "I'm working on it but #### it's hard!" etc etc etc.

It was really funny. The first couple of times! ;-)


I've worked in a related field for a couple of months, actually! During one of my lab rotations (explanation if requested) I was studying phosphodiesterases as a potential drug target for P. falciparum (that's malaria for you non-microbiologists). Cialis, Viagra et al are all phosphodiesterase inhibitors. Now, anti-malarial phosphodiesterase (PDE) inhibitors would certainly be targetted against Plasmodium PDEs and hopefully have minimal reactivity with human PDEs. But I always like to imagine men people lining up at the clinic to get their malaria cured and enjoy a bit of "levitation" at the same time.



So, what do you think?

INVENTOR: Travis Harrison, Heidi Hamm, Jon Lomasney and Kasturi Haldar

INVENTION: Investigators at Northwestern University have identified that beta-blocker drugs are effective inhibitors of malarial infection in vitro and in vivo. Beta blockers are inexpensive, approved to treat cardiac indications, non-toxic, and otherwise well-tolerated in patients. Research and development efforts have yielded a variety of beta blocker compounds, clinical trial data, and extensive data on pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic properties of these drugs. This technology offers the opportunity to use a well characterized drug for a new, much needed application and the impetus for the development of new beta-blocker drugs to be tested for their effectiveness in the treatment of malaria.

BACKGROUND: Plasmodium falciparum causes the most virulent form of human malaria, a disease that afflicts 200-300 million people and kills over one million children each year. The asexual, blood stages of infection are responsible for all of the symptoms and pathologies of the disease. Thus blocking these stages is expected to be important for controlling acute infection as well as disease pathologies. Malaria is a disease with tremendous morbidity and mortality, due to the lack of new drugs and the emergence of resistance to existing drugs. Plasmodium falciparum causes the most virulent of human malarias. The blood stages of infection are responsible for all of the symptoms and pathologies associated with the disease. Thus development of new drugs against blood stage infection is important to disease control.

Using peptides derived against the C-terminus of Gs proteins, the investigators demonstrated that blockade of Gs signaling resulted in decreased malaria infection in vitro and in vivo. These results led to investigations examining the role that G-protein coupled receptors expressed in red blood cells have in malaria infection and led to the discovery described herein.

ADVANTAGES: Research and development efforts of pharmaceutical companies have yielded a variety of beta blockers, clinical trial data, and extensive data on pharmacodynamic and pharmacokinetic properties of these drugs. Hence their new use as effective treatment of malaria may be accomplished with modest investments.

STATUS: A patent application has been filed, and Northwestern University is interested in licensing this technology.[B]

Date: 2007/04/05 15:33:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Good idea to discuss this Louis...

My thoughts on R-E-S-P-E-C-T (Thank you Aretha)

1.) Polite, yes, yada, yada, yada.
2.) Post only what I would want my wife or girlfriend to see (My mom,'s dead)
3.) Don't snort your Dad (unless you're Keith Richards)
4.) Kick Heddle's smary-sounding butt every chance I get
5.) DEMAND Creo's and IDer's respect US TOO DAMMIT! - This means No AFDave with his interminable, repeated and repeated, and repeated same posts that all say the same dam thing. UNLESS he can change, "evolve" as it were, to become a real person not a bad cartoon.
6.) This means No Heddle unless he promises not to be such an a*hole (We CAN say a*hole without getting banned to the Wall?)
7.  Yes, to Creo's and IDers that can stay on topic, and not drag 'N drop from AIG or other Creo sites.
8.  Yes, to Creo's and IDers if they allow us to post on
their blog too
9.  Yes to all posters that think I am so fuc**ing cool they can't stand it and want to have my baby, but only if they are between 21 and 35, I mean 42, and DO NOT HAVE BIG BUTTS!
10.  Be polite to all posters that have millions of dollars to give to ALL of the funniest #### posters on the ATBC blog.

Date: 2007/04/05 18:46:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (J-Dog @ April 05 2007,15:01)
To:  U.S. Congress
We the people declare that we like big butts and, despite our best efforts, we cannot lie. This petition declares that you other brothers can't deny.


Okay, who's the smarty pants?  I Do NOT like big butts!  Let me repeat: I DO NOT LIKE BIG BUTTS

#863 of the petition Is NOT me, as I Do Not Like BIG BUTTS!

Let me be clear on this:  Although DaveScot and William Dembski DO like big butts, I do NOT.

Thank you all for your attention.

Date: 2007/04/05 19:25:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ April 05 2007,18:58)
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. The two chief things would cause me distress:
1) If people think I'm here to seriously hook up with a man/men (I'm not - just enjoy joshing you all)
2) If people tell me I'm totally stupid (because I'm not a scientist at all)
3) If people tell me that I'm boring

Okay, the three chief things

4) And people thinking I'm a guy

Okay, four chief things. Dang.

Kristine: You are soooo right!  NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our *three* weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to Dembski.... Our *four* *Amongst* our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise, stupidity, Super Tard.... I'll come in again.

Date: 2007/04/05 19:40:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Heddle you best stop stalking me now, and get out of here and stop putting me down for that nasty Bigg Butt Girl site.  

I did NOT sign up for #888 as affirming the beauty of a Bigg Cavewomen Butt.  That was NOT me, and I think that Homeland Security is going to be on the job finding out what person is forging MY signature on that nasty site and that person is now on a fast-track to ####! (Or at least Gitmo).

I would ask Dr. Dembski to help track down the miscreant(s), but unfortunately, it looks as if he does like BIG BUTTS.  Unlike me.

Date: 2007/04/06 08:16:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ April 05 2007,16:37)
So easy a caveman can do it.
*with mango salsa*

But then, I hear her ribs were mighty tasty!

I don't have much of an appetite, thank you.

Thanks a lot Kristine.  I was finally almost out of therapy, and now this.  Sure, make fun of the caveman.  I'll just bet this makes you feel human.  You Sapiens sapiens are all the same.  (Unless you're a blog owner, or blog poster on UD, then you're sub-caveman on the old intellectual  totem pole.  Or, unless you have a BIGG BUTT, or like a BIGG BUTT, which I do not, but Dembski and DaveScott do.)

Excuse me while I go extinct.

Date: 2007/04/06 09:25:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Some of us talk out our "Dembski's", and some of us just get things done.  The following link tells you all you need to know about Mithras - which is basically just another geo-centric astrological believing religion.

However, the early Christian religion did borrow many of it's special holidays from the Roman's, and other religions, so we have Christmas clebrated at Saturnalia, and Easter at the Spring Equinox time etc.
(Most old-timey religions celebrated in the spring/fall for obvious reasons... You get a bad harvest you are screwed, only they figured, they were screwed by the gods... Funny how the more things change, the more they remain the same - with a BIG shout out to Pat Roberston for his outstanding recollection of old-time religions when the Dover verdict came out.  What a tool.

Date: 2007/04/06 09:50:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Good Christ Almighty what's up with Science Blogs?   I can't get through... Hacked For Christ on Good Friday?

Maybe some creo came up with another wierd answer when he/she asked "What Would Jesus Effin Christ Do"?

Anyone else having trouble... or not?

EDITED:  Never mind, I can now get through.

Date: 2007/04/06 12:33:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think this might be a little too long to fit Kristine's parameters, but I think it is applicable, and so easy "even a caveman" can remember it.  Whenever there is a DI press release, or some IDist moves his lips, you just have to answer:  Is it STOOPID?

My $.02 and worth every penny of it.

Date: 2007/04/06 19:32:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ April 06 2007,10:30)
(Who complains about getting 400 hits? Certainly not me.) :(   :p

Kristine - You need to market yourself better girl!  ####, you didn't even post here about writing your story about burning down all those dinosaurs with saddles!

Everyone should follow Kristine's link (the not me)and read her story.

Date: 2007/04/08 13:19:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
I heard snippets of Lewis Black's show last night on Comedy Central, and his rap about flying to New Zeland was side-splitting funny.  I can't remeber everything, but my take-home thought is to kill myself before I have to fly there.  A month or two ago there was a UTube segmant of him bashing Genesis that was excellent.  Lewis Black = Funny; With An Edge.

Date: 2007/04/09 11:11:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
What about Richard's new Girlfreind FTK?

She's been "testing us out" recently, to see if we are a "good fit".    Even though this has been outside the bonds of Holy Matrimony, and it's like she's cheating on DaveScot, it's good training for her and a chance to ahem, "show us what she's got".

She has also showed a saucy little leaning and longing for the old "girl-on-girl" thing with Kristine, so she's got that going for her...

Although her "earlier body of work" has been totally trashed and discredited by Albatrosity2, she is trying to show the Demsker and the DI/ID puppet-masters that She Alone has the Balls to Take On the Atheistic Godless Hordes.  (Hey!  That's us!)

Bottome line:  FTK has DaveTard wrapped around her finger, Sal doesn't even know what a finger can be used for, and TroutMac, Jay-Who et al just don't have the smarts to handle it.  

My money's on FTK in this race.

Date: 2007/04/09 11:30:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Do you think we'll get treated to a Nixon-like "You Won't Have Dembski To Kick Around" Speech (Post)?

A sobbing, sorrowful Bill to sooth our savage breasts?

Date: 2007/04/09 12:25:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Kristine and FTK -

Kristine - You were looking for a summary of why Dr. Dr. Dembski is like soooo totally wrong?

FTK - You were looking for realistic non-threatening information to get into the sciencey thing?

Well, ladies, I have your book right here:

Science Confronts Intelligent Design Creationism, an anthology edited by Andrew J Petto and Laurie R Godfrey, and published recetly by Norton Press.

Kristine - The chapter about Dembski's wacked math is excellent.  Generally I don't do math well, but I swear I could even understnad what Dembski was trying and failing to say, and why after reading the chapter.

Maybe the extra critique is what gives Dr. Dr. Dembski the push he needs to become an honest man?

Some guy named Wes Elsburry I think wrote a chapter - I think I heard of him, some guy named Pennock too

Edited:  Link:

Date: 2007/04/09 13:16:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ April 09 2007,13:11)
That way we can at least have a more intellectual discussion than the hilarious, but ultimately frivolous pseudoflirtation.


Not if DaveTard shows her his new tool.. I mean his new jet-ski when she visits him...

Date: 2007/04/09 13:43:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ April 09 2007,12:30)

Speak English like Jesus did - dt

Date: 2007/04/09 13:53:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ April 09 2007,13:14)
One such feature that distinguishes humans from other apes is a rapidly evolving gene involved in neural growth in the cerebral cortex.

Nature: The human factor      
What makes humans unique? A comparative genetics approach to this question reveals a candidate gene for a part in bestowing 'humanness'. Interestingly, the gene is expressed during embryonic development of the neocortex, the site of many of the brain's most sophisticated processes.

I am willing to wager a single-malt bottle of scotch that it will be discovered that a "certain sub-group of homos" (IDists and creationists) might be missing a vital link that allows them to think critically, and makes them more susceptible to religion and non-critical thinking.

Do I get moved to the Bathroom Wall for suggesting that the new group will be named Homo Stupidus?

Date: 2007/04/09 14:53:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Underwhelming Posting From Overwhelming Evidence
From today's Screenshot:

Brilliant research
4 days 5 hours ago

Yes I agree,
4 days 8 hours ago

I wish I had invented it!
4 days 10 hours ago

temporo-spacial anomaly on Noah's Ark: fascinating
5 days 5 min ago

(Off Topic): What technologies did pre-noahic people have?
5 days 5 hours ago

I don't think the Bible contradicts the existence of cavemen
6 days 2 hours ago

Ugh! Ugh!
6 days 6 hours ago

Qunitilis is right
6 days 10 hours ago

We need to put faith back into science...
1 week 10 hours ago

My dad once hired a plumber who worked in a faith-based manner
1 week 1 day ago

If Dembski wants to retire, I think I know a place where it's nice and quit and peaceful...

Now I have to go read what they unenlightened are posting about cavemen...

Date: 2007/04/09 15:02:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (MidnightVoice @ April 09 2007,14:35)
Without claiming to do justice to Coulter’s multifaceted and sometimes subtle satire, I will attempt to outline some of her most amusing and salient points.

This has got to be the First, Last and Only time, in the entire History Of The World that the words "Coulter" and "subtle satire" ever appear in the same sentance.

Date: 2007/04/10 08:45:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ April 10 2007,00:05)
I'm waiting for JAD, Charlie Wagner, and Larry Fafarman to join forces and create a Superblog.  :O

And verily I say unto you "The Super Blog shall be the Father The Son and The Holy Effing ** Ghost!


Date: 2007/04/10 18:36:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 10 2007,09:02)
Okay, FtK has no science forthcomming, nor does she appear to want to discuss it. I'm pleased my worldview isn't that fragile.

I'll get back to reporting things that amuse me on her blog.

Have these kids found the easter bunny's hide out?

I commented twice about this on FTK's blog @ 4 hours ago, and adapted your comment (with proper atttribution, I might add)... She learned of course at the Feet Of The MasterTard, so I am not surprised my comments didn't make it through moderation...Nada.  Zilch.  I guess ftk has a very fragile world view after all, and can't stand someone poking fun at her Sky God.  Jeezus!  She's lucky I didn't have time to 'hang around" and visit her on Good Friday!

Date: 2007/04/11 12:21:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
I read this in a local paper, or a science blog... It's a a story about nothing.  Briefely, if you are an MD and a believer, you think praying works.  If you don't believe in Big JuJu, then you don't.  Kind of a no-brainer.  Perfect for ID and it's minions, and/or lackeys.

BTW - We need to start a post about if we would do Michelle, as opposed to Tranny Coulter.

Date: 2007/04/11 14:53:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2007,12:23)
Wes, can you set up an RSS feed for OE? I can't keep up.

Brilliant research

6 days 3 hours ago
Yes I agree,

6 days 5 hours ago
I wish I had invented it!

6 days 8 hours ago
temporo-spacial anomaly on Noah's Ark: fascinating

6 days 21 hours ago
(Off Topic): What technologies did pre-noahic people have?

1 week 3 hours ago
I don't think the Bible contradicts the existence of cavemen

1 week 1 day ago
Ugh! Ugh!

1 week 1 day ago
Qunitilis is right

1 week 1 day ago
We need to put faith back into science...

1 week 2 days ago
My dad once hired a plumber who worked in a faith-based manner

1 week 2 days ago

The punctuated equilibrium of their posting is nice, but I believe the key to the insanity is in the Topics Of Discussion


I don't think the Bible contradicts the existence of cavemen (Well DUH! I'm here, ain't I?)

temporo-spacial anomaly on Noah's Ark: fascinating
(Next topic for the kids is How Many Angels Can Dance On The Head Of a Pin, and for Kristine - Why Do Chicks Dig Unicorns)

My dad once hired a plumber who worked in a faith-based manner (I PRAYED that the leak stopped - And it did... NOT! Maybe the Reverend Ted Haggard stopped by, and one thing led to another.... next thing you know they're ....well, you know...

Date: 2007/04/11 20:31:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (skeptic @ April 11 2007,19:49)
and yes, Behe is a catholic.

Nein!  Herr Doktor Behe has been excommunicated for being too stupid to be Catholic, und backing ID.

Pope Sturbanfuhrer und me, vas chust shooting the sheist with mein schnaps, und he stood up, raised his fists in the air, und said all IDers are to be dammed eternally!  Vat could I say?  You do NOT want to get Herr Pope Strubanfuher pissed off... THe last time someone pissed of a German Leader, things didn't work out all that well for a couple of years.  Poland und France are still not all that far away, if you know what I am saying to you. Jah?

{Please insert PhotoShopped image of Adolf wearing Pope Hat, or Benedict giving Nazi Salute}

Date: 2007/04/12 14:23:53, Link
Author: J-Dog

Adam and Eve and family go for a drive.  I'm saying this has to be pre-snake, right FTK?

Date: 2007/04/12 21:03:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (argystokes @ April 12 2007,20:34)
Via Pharyngula, I present John A. Davison, in his own words. And voice. I'm seven minutes in, and unfortunately he hasn't said any of his catchphrases yet.

JAD - I hate it so!

Date: 2007/04/13 15:25:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Violets are blue,
Roses are red.
Dembski's an idiot and
ID is dead.

Thank you, thank you.  Please send the Pulitzer to my crib.

Date: 2007/04/13 15:48:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's sad to see professors descend to the level of UD.  Next stop: JADville.

I think your throw away line deserves repeating!  

It's sad to see professors descend to the level of UD.  Next stop: JADville.


Date: 2007/04/16 21:01:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Jeannot - Bon jour mes ami!  I hope I do not make the faux pas, and pardon moi, but I studied Espanol, not Francois in school, and I do not even write English all that well, so congratulations to you for even attempting, let alone writing your post.  Tres Bien, as I like to say.

Long, long ago, in a Galaxy far, far away, when I was your age, I studied Anthroplogy, and dug up Native American bundle burials, protested the war, drank beer and vino, and tried to get laid as often as possible....

Hmmm... come to think of it, not that much has changed,
but at least my vino does not have twist-off caps these days.

So, after 20+ years away from Anthro, stuck in the exciting world of business, I started googling Anthro articles on the internet a couple of years ago, just to stay in touch, and began to read about ID, and creationism.  

I was amazed, surprised and, in fact the trompe l'oeil of the creationists and IDists.  I reached the Science Blogs, Panda's, and of course after lurking here for a while, was hooked.  I came for the learning, stayed for the fun!
BTW - This should be our motto!

So bon jour, and bon chance to you.  Just remember that not everyone in America is as dumb as George Bush, or as dishonest as Hovind, Ham, and all your favorite IDists and creationists.  

Oh yes.  Merci for the wine and the cheese, and the Statue of Liberty!

Date: 2007/04/17 13:47:55, Link
Author: J-Dog

Uh Oh... Looks like the rubes at OD are catching on!

The latest post is "Has This Site Gone Extinct?"

A moment of silence please...

Date: 2007/04/17 15:05:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Some 9 months later, she's apparently still thinking about it, which might explain her reluctance to discuss anything of substance here.  It looks like she needs many months, if not  years, to explain why she feels such confidence in spouting off about subjects even after she's admitted her ignorance in them.[/quote]

Jim - Good post.  I don't want to speak for FTK - she does such a good job of "not speaking" for herself, BUT it seems to me, playing amateur psychologist, that she hasn't answered you because she has no answer

Could  your question be the crack in dike, that causes ftk's world view to suddenly explode and inundate her mind with science?

Unless she decides to claim "goddidit, miracle" again, and retreat to her own little world, doomed to a life of denial by ID.

What's it gonna take FTK?  Can you really hate your kids that much, that you would doom them to living a lie?  It's your call Mom.  Open your mind.  Do it For The Kids.

Date: 2007/04/17 15:37:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 17 2007,15:07)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 17 2007,14:53)
... FTK doesn't come across as an unemployable mentally ill loner on disability.

You're right--there's no evidence that she's on disability.

Ba Dum - Ching!

Date: 2007/04/17 17:48:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ April 17 2007,17:20)
The sequel to the movie "Hot Shots" was called "Hot Shots Part Deaux".

Merci, Henry J... or should we say Henri?  You nailed it!

Date: 2007/04/18 10:17:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
I voted earlier, but did not elaborate.  So, I have BA in Anthro, minored in beer and women.   Dug up Middle Woodland bundle burials in the summer season, and aged and sexed the population from the remains over the next 2 winters.  

Got into business and kids after graduation, and got into anti-ID area after doing some online research in Anthro just to keep in touch.  

As I said to Jeannot on his thread:   I came for the learning, stayed for the fun!

I think Dembski's a Doofus, and DaveScot is a Tard.

I like long walks on the beach, and think atheist women are hawt.

I think the posters here are the smartest, yet zaniest and coolest anywhere on the internet, and the UD posters the dumbest, yet unfunniest anywhere outside of WorldNut Daily and the Bush Whitehouse.  

As a mater of fact, if I DID go back to get the MA, it would be to research the link betweeen funny and smart, or maybe just to work on my tan in Costa Rica.

Hey!  can I get another beer over here?

Date: 2007/04/18 10:46:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
This guy is sooo totally wrong!  The shootings were clearly the Work of God, punishing the voters of VA for voting out George "Mr. Macaca" Allen at the last election.

The Ways Of The Lord are always mysterious, and often unpleasant.  Praise Jeebus!

Date: 2007/04/18 11:13:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (huwp @ April 18 2007,10:30)
Hwyl fawr (as is sometimes said in Welsh!)


PS I sometimes wonder whether "Tardspeak" is actually a dialect.

Oh yeah?  If you're really Welsh, how come there's only 1 "W" in your name, and no "L"s?  Huh?

In "Tardspeak" I think this means "You're Otta Here"

Date: 2007/04/18 13:00:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Red State Rabble had a link to this article about SMU students attending this conference... and getting thrown out by the DI Thugs...

So, maybe after UD closes down, DaveScot can still pick up a little money!

Date: 2007/04/18 13:25:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ April 18 2007,11:49)
Actually; jeannot just adding a  second thought

The joke is it sounds sophisticated when it is just pretentious.

Its quite deliberatly and self consiously pretentious, very 'tongue in cheek'. The objects of derision in the movie are themselves deliberatly and self consiously pretentious.

k.e. - Yes, thank you - I would say pretentious is what the joke / title is all about.

jeannot: Merde!  You should note that I took Spanish, NOT French in school, and I spelled that #### word wrong, my original post should have been pretentiously "Part Deux"!  

Sorry about the spelling, and thus the confusion!

Date: 2007/04/18 14:59:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
To make up for my contribution to the heinous crime of Thread Derailment, allow me to contribute a potential Troll catch at UD.

Ektasis, in comment #15 says:
"Quick, Christians that hold all theological truth in the palm of our hands, how does one explain the Virgin Mary?

Must we all go where evidence leads, as distasteful as it is for practically all of us? Wouldn’t this be just like God, requiring us to swallow our pride? "

Is it me or is this porn slid through the moderator Bannanator?

I think if you use Dembski's Bible Code Machine, and take out the superfluous words and letters, you're left with:
"The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing".

Hey Steve - Don't blame me, I'm just the de-coder!

Hope I didn't out anybody here!

Date: 2007/04/18 15:35:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 18 2007,15:25)
Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,14:59)
"The Virgin Mary in the palm of your hands, and swallowing".

I wonder if that would have been her first taste of Christianity.

ba-Dum CHING!

Jim -  EXCELLENT!  You must remember to use this power only for good, never evil!

Date: 2007/04/19 21:06:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ April 19 2007,20:59)
Here a big news flash for ya:

I couldn't give two hoots if you people take me seriously or not.  :)

One hoot?  A hoot & a half?

Date: 2007/04/19 21:20:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 19 2007,20:26)
Jerry from JohnW's post above:
One of the things ID proponents should be trained to do when making presentations is to answer all the common objections as part of their presentation. It would undermine all the hecklers or sign waivers and marginalize their comments.

How does he think signing waivers will help?  ;)

Good catch!  

And maybe this can help protect him from all the sign waivers :

For The Truly Marginalized ID Supporter

Date: 2007/04/24 10:25:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 24 2007,02:53)
I'm up for some of that, I can write flashy sounding bullshit with the best of em! At work, they even pay me for it!

Hey!  Me Too!  

Sorry I have been busy at work and after work, baseball recently, but I can make time to write some science fiction for some ID journal, as long as I get money for me.

I do have a couple of questions though:

How sciencey does it have to be - good enough to fool real scientists, or just Sal Cordova?  

Is this just for the rubes like ftk, or is this for people that have a clue?

Do you think that the DI will come up with enough grant money that we can finish the research on the single-malt discussion?

Do you think the DI will come up with enough grant money to research into Finding The Real Atlantis,  and fly us all to the Greek Islands for the summer?  

(I will pass BTW on doing research into finding the Real Garden of Eden.  Maybe let Dembski, Behe and the Boyz do that one...)

Date: 2007/04/24 14:39:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 24 2007,14:13)
hOLEY sMokes! FTK did a DS!

Ancient Caveman Saying:  You play with the Tard, you're gonna get splattered.

Date: 2007/04/24 14:50:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ April 24 2007,11:23)
P.S. Anyone who pouts ANYTHING in a malt whiskey other than more malt whiskey needs to be horsewhipped from one end of the Mall to the other. Elliot, I'm looking at you! ;-)

*Foie gras, the world's cruellest food. I am nigh on certain that it's flavour is improved by the agony of the geese. Yes I realise that even consuming it makes me a vile and disgusting human being. I have my flaws and a penchant for foie gras is most certainly one of them. It is a hypocrisy I currently allow myself, although for how much longer I cannot say. Still, at least I've given up the baby seal cooked in its own fear.


We need to Fight For Foie Gras Freedon Now!

I don't know what it's like for the rest of you, but the geese around Chicago know that foie gras is now illegal, and they are getting awfully #### uppity.  Strutting around, honking, pooping like.... well, like #### geese!  Intollerable.

For those of you Outside this Goose Heaven Enclave, fight back now  Please!  Order some Foi Gras with your Big Mac Now.. before it's too late!

Date: 2007/04/24 14:59:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, do we need a new thread?  

Dining and Drinking with Darwin and Dawkins?

Or considering the responses to the single-malt stories,
Dining and Drinking with Darwin, Dawkins and Drunks?

We could share our favorite recipes for

Roast Creo ala YEC

Demski Tartar (must have cast-iron stomach to try this!)

Cordova Cod Creole

Fried ftk - Kansas City Style

Please share YOUR favorites!

Date: 2007/04/24 19:19:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 24 2007,19:01)
Don't worry, once FTK lists for us all the peer reviewed articles she says she's read, we'll know what her basis is for this belief. Right?

If by "peer reviewed" you mean by King James, or like how Behe's Black Box got reviewed, I think you're right...

Date: 2007/04/24 19:26:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 24 2007,15:57)

I don't recognize the pictured ID scientist.... must be a new DI Fellow.  Could this be Dr. Michael Egnor?

Or, could it be one of the most excellent "regulars" at UD?  Could it be TroutMac?  

Come on down, and let's play Name That ID Proponent!

Date: 2007/04/25 14:05:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ April 25 2007,13:09)
"There's no shame in being a piranha" FTK.


"When you're ideas are lame, you'll be a pinata" FTK


Date: 2007/04/25 14:25:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ April 25 2007,12:25)
So!  We do have a mole inside the DI, and the picture proves it!  That has to be either John West or Howard Chapman doing some DI sciencey thing.

Date: 2007/04/25 19:07:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 25 2007,18:28)
This beer crushes all your other beers like puny little ants.  :O

Ja, ja, but I have heard that it is too dangerous.  

You drink a 6 pack und invade Poland,  put on your wife's clothes, I mean "liederhosen" or try to become Pope.


Date: 2007/04/25 19:24:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ April 25 2007,18:18)
 * Usefulness of a pediatric colonoscope...
 * Is the variable-stiffness pediatric colonoscope more effective?
 * How adequate is digital rectal exam?

I for one am not surprised.  This guy is a perfect addition to the DI crew.  Unlike Dembski, Behe and Egnor, who flounder around with their heads up their rectums, this guy has the professional expertise to handle a Full Out DI Probe

I would link to a jpeg, but I don't think Steve would let me get away with it, plus, we all might want to eventually eat again, and have appetites and things like that...

Date: 2007/04/25 19:29:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 25 2007,16:47)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2007,16:39)
OE is looking to tackle its troll / traffic problem:

Their newest user is "SuperSport"

Sporty is a foam at the mouth YEC from Texas.  He nearly finished an AA degree in real estate, and pontificates all over the internet tubes.

Oh! This has potential for world class tard!

So, will Super Sport double their postings, and take them from one a week, to 2 a week do you think?

Date: 2007/04/25 21:32:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 25 2007,19:48)
ETA: Here is a quote from superspurt fresh today:

I don't have time to dig up a link at the moment but I've heard coal actually does have carbon in it. Besides that, a constant rate of decay is an assumption on your part.....everything decays...the question is how fast was this decay process in the past as opposed to today. The creation event may very well have had a time/space phenomenon beyond our wildest dreams.

Hey Doc - Excellent catch!  Looks like SuperTard is indeed, a diamond in the rough.   In fact, I see lots more potential tard, which may very well be beyond our wildest dreams

Date: 2007/04/26 09:01:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (blipey @ April 26 2007,02:38)
DaveTard is a weak excuse for a human being.

Well, it looks as if DaveTard is going to duck our meeting after all.  What a pussy.  There's a nice pic of him though, with his dogs, and a nice Texas size, 13 mpg truck.

Excellent !  BWA HA HA HA HA HA!

Judging by the hair weave, shirt color, and size of truck (screams over-compensation to me),I think Dave does not want to actually meet anyone because of his lisp.  Not that it's wrong....

Date: 2007/04/26 14:16:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 26 2007,14:03)
EDIT: Dave Tard is a tit! There is no need to stoop to that level to point it out.

EDIT2: Sorry for being a boring git.

DaveScot is not a tit, cuz I like tits, and I do not like DaveScot.

Date: 2007/04/26 21:27:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Speaking of losing ugly fat... I will be in Michigan for the next couple of days, and away from internet access, so have fun ID and creo bashing without me, and I'll catch up when I return.


Date: 2007/04/30 13:01:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 26 2007,22:54)
Quote (J-Dog @ April 26 2007,21:27)
Speaking of losing ugly fat... I will be in Michigan for the next couple of days, and away from internet access, so have fun ID and creo bashing without me, and I'll catch up when I return.


Cool. We'll all talk about you while you're gone and delete all the messages 5 minutes before you come back.  ;)

Hey I'm back, and I can't wait to catch up on all the posts I missed, including the one where Richard gets DaveScot to admit that hs is, indeed a homo, Kristine gets Dembski to admit he has been doing ID only for the money and will immediatley cease and desist spreading ID lies, and Louis agrees to father a baby for FTK, and FTK agrees to bring up "Baby Charles" as a firm adherant of evolution and science.

Date: 2007/04/30 13:41:41, Link
Author: J-Dog

Mr. Skippy Says Goodbye at OE (Overwhelming Evidence) - Be sure to have kleenex close at hand if you dare to click on the sad, sad, goodbye of an OE poster.

ps:  Note To self - Cancel plans to institute a seperate OE discussion thread here.  It will soon go extinct, and leave no trace of it's existance.

Date: 2007/04/30 14:01:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ April 30 2007,13:51)
Re "That would really go against the grain."

Yew should've said "That wood really go against the grain."


Please leaf our new posters alone, and don't be such a beech.

Date: 2007/04/30 14:35:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
I was able to locate DaveScot's long-lost English cousin, who,I believe, can put an end to all this pointless branching and beeching:

Date: 2007/05/03 12:57:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ May 03 2007,08:57)
It would sound like my older cat, who thinks he's a dog. (He really does.)

But what about winged cats?  :D

P.S. I'm serious about submitting a joke paper - let me think about it during vacation.  :) Maybe I can even bounce some ideas off of Dawkins. Neener, neener.

That is SOOOOO cool.  Take lots of pictures for us, some animls, but mostly girls in bikinis....

Leaving soon right?   You gonna be on line, while on the cruise?

ciao, or as Dave sayz:  Chow!

Date: 2007/05/03 13:49:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (slpage @ May 03 2007,13:31)
[quote=Arden Chatfield,May 03 2007,13:21]
Quote (Louis @ May 03 2007,13:03)

Dave, however, went so far as to publish JJQ's real name and work address and phone. Kinda undermines any moral authority he might have fancied himself as having.

(Well, yeah, that and threatening to hack PT.)

Creationists are like that.

Joe Gallien, Blipey's next host, did it to at least 3 people I know of, including me.  He went so far as to post my home address on a website and wrote that "not everyone drives though your town to go skiing" (I live in Vermont).  He also went so far as to post the name of another guy's wife and phone numbers of a couple of people.  It was only AFER he did those things that efforts were made to find out who he was.  That odd paranoid double standard...

Springer, of course, also impersonated me on PT (and gave some lame excuse that he was really impersonating a guy he worked with that just happened to have the same name as me).

It's why I do not even try to post at UD, even though I would love to go there and screw around with them.  

Let me rephrase that...."mess them about" as Louis might say.

We might be doing the world a disfavor by laughing at Springer.  I think he has a mean streak, and he could be like the NASA astronaut that drove cross country for a lover's quarrel.  

And yes, I could see him outing FTK, hoping for a rebound effect, with DaveScott as the Protecting Avenging Angel.

BTW FTK - SPOILER ALERT - There are no angels...

Date: 2007/05/03 15:30:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 03 2007,15:00)
For the record, I'm with Louis on this one. If someone wants to remain anonymous, that should be respected.

But doesn't it strike anyone else as odd that FtK's first response to having that picture posted was to try to post some more pictures?

Also FTR (For The Record) I am with you and Louis.. .and yes, I thought trying to post more pictures was a little odd too, but don't forget, her main complaint was that it was a bad picture, not that it WAS a picture!

Date: 2007/05/04 11:18:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ May 04 2007,11:13)
What I do believe is that somewhere along the line you have been lied to and swallowed it hook line and sinker.

FTK - He's right you know... Face up to it.  If not for you, do it for the kids!

Date: 2007/05/04 15:15:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 04 2007,14:21)
Quote (Kristine @ May 04 2007,14:05)
"It's just so obvious that things are designed!"

This brought to mind yesterday's Word of the Day, which resonated with me because it so accurately describes IDCists.
verbigeration (vuhr-bij-uh-RAY-shun) noun

  Obsessive repetition of meaningless words and phrases.

[From Latin verbigerare (to talk, chat), from verbum (word) + gerere (to carry on).]

The sentence quoted by Kristine is a great example. My personal favorites are "I accept microevolution, but there is no evidence for macroevolution", and "argument from personal credulity", a Behe original that is a staple for FtK.

Any other candidates for your favorite IDC verbigeration?

Just pick a quote, any quote from Dr. Dr. Grandmaster Bullshit Dembski Himself.

I declare this contest over, and me the winner.  Nobody does verbigeration like Dembski!

Date: 2007/05/06 07:49:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
"Overwhelming Evidence Underwhelmed"

The moderator must be the Maytag Repairman...

Recent comments:

Sorry To Hear That - 3 days 18 hours ago

Worst Troll Posts - 3 days 18 hours ago

Excellent Idea - 5 days 21 hours ago

ID The Future- 1 week 3 days ago

Good Point- 1 week 4 days ago

what does it matter what you think?- 1 week 6 days ago  

Actually... - 3 weeks 1 day ago

what does it matter what the Pope thinks? - 3 weeks 2 days ago -

Substance not Spin - 3 weeks 2 days ago

Brilliant research - 4 weeks 2 days ago

Date: 2007/05/07 10:12:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
I would like to know more about Dave and his Church of Christ Liars and Thieves.  Isn't Dave one of the Chief Acolytes, or Assistant Bumlicker or something?  

Hey AFDave.. How many old folks have you cheated today?  Maybe if you start with the simple questions, THEN you can move on to the harder questions, such as why anyone should believe your 6,000 YE claims.

Date: 2007/05/07 12:36:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 07 2007,11:54)
More projection from DT
Ignoring contrary evidence is common with pundits of both manmade global warming and chance & necessity evolution. Also common is the driving forces behind both; politics, ideology, and a quest for power by a self-annointed (sic) progressive elite.

That's right!  Those evil scientists want all the power! And they are willing to ignore contrary evidence in order to seize it...

That's a great link!  I recommend reading the Ty Harris post - He lists @ 100 terms describing ID and ID Creos!  

Maybe he is a troll, and found a great way to sneak them onto Dembski's Very Own Blog!  This could even rival the Jeannie Bell Scam from last summer!

Date: 2007/05/08 09:38:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ May 08 2007,07:42)
Truly, the real ID action is now over at Overwhelmingignorance.crap, where a blog post entitled Has This Site Gone Extinct? gets a snappy response in only 13 days, resulting in a fast-paced conversation that so far has flooded the intartubes with 5 total posts over an eyeblink-like 27 days.

Hilariously, they conclude that the fetid moribundity of their site has resulted from the recent efforts to ban trolls--while lamenting that they cannot compose a Trolls' Greatest Hits list to whip up enthusiasm for the site, because "unfortunately, unless the data was backed up all those troll posts were zapped."  Hmmm......

"Man, our site would be doing better, if only we hadn't banned all the people who were posting on the site just to mock it, and if only we could recover their deleted comments so there would be something here worth reading."

For some reason I think there might still be some trolls left unpurged over there.  Will the last loki please turn out the lights on your way out?

Wow.  It's been almost 6 days since someone last posted!  I think they must be going for the 40 days and nights thing... Overwhelming Evidence indeed!

Date: 2007/05/08 09:52:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ May 08 2007,08:04)
I HONESTLY cannot believe that Dembski, Behe, et. al. want to see a Christian theocracy.  That's just completely insane.  

FTK - From the mouths of babes... (Yeah. It works on a couple of levels.  So I liked your picture...)

But the "money-quote", if I may point out is when you said "That's just completely insane".  

Yes, it is.  Maybe you begin to see a little bit of why and what we are all concerened about!

Keep asking questions!  And listening to the answers!

Date: 2007/05/08 15:09:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2007,14:43)
Why doesn't he just create his own faith, "Tardism" or some-such?

Too late.

DaveScot doesn't want to start up his own religion.

IMO he's too lazy, and self-centered, plus he's already an Accolyte in the First Church Of ID, whose believers are known as Dembski-ites, or IDiots.  

He can exercise his storm-tropper mentality as a Moderator/ blog-banner, yet, when teh ID thing finally blow up, he can hope that he is far enough away from Dembski not to get splattered when the fecal matter hits the fan.  

So, rather than founding a First Tard Unification Church, tard will have to suffice as the #1 sacrament of the Dembski-ite.

Date: 2007/05/08 15:47:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2007,15:30)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 08 2007,15:09)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2007,14:43)
Why doesn't he just create his own faith, "Tardism" or some-such?

Too late.

DaveScot doesn't want to start up his own religion.

Actually, my point was merely that Dave long ago formed his own faith of 'tardism', if by that you mean a worldview entirely consisting of his own egomania.

Yes, I see what you mean.  There is no god but DaveScot, and DaveScot is his prophet.

Date: 2007/05/08 21:06:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
The link is to a site that makes Overwhelming Evidence look like a hotbed of blogging activism.

WARNING:  Ignore the crazed-looking eyes, and focus on the jam-packed schedule... no wonder it's so hard to focus on new research.  At least Kristine is not here to see how low "He" has sunk...

Date: 2007/05/08 21:12:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2007,19:27)
Good Job, FtK!




7:17 pm
This is seriously OT, and probably won’t make it through moderation, but I’m going to throw it out there anyway because I want to know…

How does everyone here feel about ‘separation of church and state’?

I roam various forums and am *forever* being told that the DI and ID supporters want to do away with the SOCAS due to The Wedge.

Truth be told, there are a few sentences in the Wedge that could be construed to that affect.

So, what are the opinions about the SOCAS from those who frequent this site? Please be honest and elaborate…

Dave, I apologize for this OT comment. You’ll probably delete it, and that’s fine. Just thought I’d give it a shot.

FTK - Way To Go!  I am damned proud of you!  

Excellent start!  

Keep it up, and we will all (well most!) be glad to help with follow-up questions, but I think you will do fine, if you keep an open mind, and don't let your little ID / DI buddies get away with dodging.

You Go Girl!

Date: 2007/05/08 21:18:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Based on FTK's Real, Actual question for DaveScot on UD,
maybe we need an All NEW and Improved FTK thread?

Could FTK now mean For The Knowledge?

Date: 2007/05/08 21:26:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ May 08 2007,21:11)
So, evidently, according to Jefferson, much of what was written about Jesus was bogus.  So, why would one claim to be a Christian if they do not adhere to the central tenants of Chirstianity, namely Christ's fulfillment of OT prophecy and his death and resurrection?  

I guess I wonder why some people are Christian, yet seem to reject most of the NT.  Especially some of the Christians in this debate.  For instance, let's take a guy like Wesley..  

~If~ he doesn't accept the death and resurrection of Christ, if he believe that the truth of scripture is not actually "truth" but the ignorance of man, or if he thinks that Paul et. al. didn't really know what they were talking about and made up lots of stuff as they went along, why claim to be a Christian? Seriously, why?

Why not just be agnostic?  I mean, if you think about it, you'd have to rip out quite a few pages of the NT to rid yourself of the notion that Christ = the Messiah.  So, what are you left with?  The Beatitudes?  What's the point?  What's the attraction?

FTK SAID:  "What's the point?  What's the attraction?"

Ah yes indeed!  

You are beginning to ask questions.  Good questions!  

And IMHO, as an atheist, there IS no point, but you asked for a Christian, or an agnostic opinion, so I guess I am not really the one to answer, but I am pretty excited about your finally asking some good real, actual qustions, so that's why I chirped in. Hope you don't mind, and I can't wait to see your and DaveScots' posts tomorrow!


Date: 2007/05/09 13:21:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 09 2007,11:11)
More *quality* from FtK.

If this is a ruse to get in my pants, it's working.

FTK - Better be careful - If you hang around with "bad company", you become bad company!

I second the motion on the *quality* follow up question.

Keep going!

Date: 2007/05/09 13:40:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ May 09 2007,13:13)
People have written about the fact that evolution will produce systems that cannot be reversibly broken down for nearly a century.

Hmmm...seems to me that in that sense, evolution is completely unfalsifiable.  In fact, I have no idea what would falsify evolution other than evidence for a young earth.

FTK - There is a famous quote: "a rabbit in the Cambrian" would falsify TOE, but I don't remember who said it.  Some of our more erudite brethren here will know.  The key however, is that the TOE is falsifiable.  

ID on the other hand, is  not. ID only snipes at TOE, and ID always come down to god did it, or god of the gaps, despite Dembski's obfuscations, and DaveScots blusterings and blatherings.

Even Behe's IRC was stolen from a Creation Science text and was nothing new - just re-packaging.  The DI and ID are all about marketing and they want to market to you, and your Christian friends.

The DI and it's minions are snide, they are slick, and you need to keep asking real questions, and examine everything they say or write with a true skeptical view.  They want you to continue to re-act with fear and loathing to the Darwinian Bogeyman.  They plan on it, and they count on it.

Actually, their worst nightmare is you... if you DO get educated and understand why they are scamming you, and what they are doing to continue the scam.

Date: 2007/05/09 14:23:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
From the Brushback:

Experts Abandon Theory Of Intelligent Design After Watching Ultimate Fighting Championship

May 8, 2007 Volume 2 Issue 94

SEATTLE--Members of The Discovery Institute, a Seattle based think tank, publicly rescinded their demands that intelligent design be taught in public schools after watching an Ultimate Fighting “best knockouts” compilation video Monday night. The video, which depicted wild men viciously attacking one another before a crowd of bloodthirsty spectators, provided “the smoking gun ” that man is descended from apes.

“It is with great regret that we abandon our quest to have the theory of intelligent design taught in public schools,” said Bruce Chapman, president of the Discovery Institute. “We are now convinced that Charles Darwin was right and we are just a bunch of hairless apes. We came to this conclusion after watching some Ultimate Fighting. Those men are subhuman brutes. The violence was unremitting. What's worse, we thought it was extremely entertaining, which doesn’t bode well for us, either.”

Chapman said he was “horrified” by the “sheer animal brutality” of the fighters, who fought in cages like dogs.

“These fighters seemed bent on killing each other,” said Chapman. “I was reminded of the scene at the beginning of 2001 when one ape beat another with a bone, and a crowd of apes stood around howling and cheering. I remember thinking while watching that how absurd it was that we could be descended from such beasts. Now, I kind of admire those apes. At least they weren’t charging admission.”

Chapman viewed the fights at the urging of a colleague at the Discovery Institute, who was “deeply disturbed” by the UFC after watching footage of it himself.

“I told Bruce about it the minute I saw it,” said Steven Alberg. “It was obviously very traumatic for me on both a personal and spiritual level. These men fought nearly to death, and when one was declared the winner he turned and faced the crowd, his eyes rolling in the back of his head, and unleashed an inhuman, guttural roar. All he needed was a club and he would have made a very convincing cave man. Anyway, I'll probably catch a couple matches this summer. ”

In response, the Discovery Institute has embarked on a campaign to redefine the term “intelligent design.” The new definition will take the UFC into consideration, mention it by name, and purport that “some kind of supreme being created some microorganisms that eventually evolved into apes, which apparently evolved into humans, and that's that.”

“We’ve boiled it down to the belief that somebody created something and set the whole thing into motion,” said Chapman. “After that, it was a big crap shoot. It’s hard to believe, but the debate has been put to rest. We’ve found the smoking gun.”

UFC officials were outraged that they were being compared to apes, and implored Chapman and his think tank to learn more about the sport before making such a harsh judgment.

Fighter Tito Ortiz, a former champion, referred to the style of fighting as “mixed martial arts,” which requires both physical strength and sound strategy.

“These people are idiots,” said Ortiz. “They know nothing about mixed martial arts. This is a legitimate sport. Only the most physically and mentally tough athletes can partake in it. It requires years of training and preparation. The fact that it’s a little bloody is, frankly, one of the best parts. It’s more raw. It’s more…raw. Anyway, those intelligent design people should come down and talk to me. I think once they get the facts they’ll change their stance. At least I hope so. See, I believe in intelligent design, and I would feel awfully bad if the whole theory went to shit because of me.”

Copyright 2007, The Brushback - Do not reprint without permission. This article is satire and is not intended as actual news.

Date: 2007/05/09 14:38:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ May 09 2007,13:54)
Actually, their worst nightmare is you... if you DO get educated and understand why they are scamming you, and what they are doing to continue the scam.

Scamming me into what?  If they don't believe what they put forth, what is the unlying devious plan?  A forced CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY??

Nope!  I think their scam is just making money so they don't have to get real jobs.  No big conspiracy, just some lazy slobs (mentally and physically) .

Date: 2007/05/09 14:57:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 09 2007,13:29)
Okay. I need help... I'm a tardaholic --I can't give up tardahol!!!

This conjecture, an arbitrary taboo on intelligence and ‘mind stuff’ other than human, must include not justy the known physics, but the vast unknown region of more than 10^16 orders of magnitude between the plackian scale objects at 10^-33 m and our smallest elementary particles (distances of 10^-16m accessible experimentally). The latter taboo is highly implausible since one could easily fit into this unknown region, between the planckian scale objects and our elementary particles (which seem awfully well tuned in favor of life in the universe) all of the physical complexity that exists between electrons, protons, netrons,.. and us, humans.

Looks like nightlight found a reeeaaaly small gap to hide his god in.

Hey!  It's okay CJ!  We're here for you!  Just go to your "Happy Spot", focus on it, and this will minimize the effects of the Tard.

You should probably look to some sort of more professional help though, if your Quest For Hard Tard begins to take up most of your waking hours.


You might be a Tardaholic if:

You name your kids DaveScot, Dumbksi or JanieBell

You use the Kent Hovind Tax Software in the spring

You start calling people "homos" in real life.

You think that Jerry Falwell is just a little plump

You have UD as a "favorite" on your web browser

You can't watch TV without checking to see if the 700 club is on.

Sometimes you think that DacveScot actually makes some sense.*

*WARNING! If this happens, put down your mouse immediatley and seek professional counseling.  If you are Catholic, ask for Extreme Unction, or an Exorcist.

Hope This Helps!

Date: 2007/05/09 15:18:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Jeanot - Thank you yes, you are correct, and a Big Thank You to oldmainthesky too, for expressing my point much better than I did!

Date: 2007/05/09 15:31:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (George @ May 09 2007,15:11)
As a forest ecologist, I'm really upset that I missed the tree-pun war.  Unfortunately I don't think that trying to resurrect it would be very poplar.

What's a nice ecologist like me doing hanging out in a place like this?  I grew up Catholic in the east Tennessee Bible belt.  I've always been fascinated by Biblical literalists and our own little Scopes trial.  Especially when as a MSc student in the Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at UT, when some candidates for student elections wanted to flag courses that taught evolution so that right-thinking people could avoid them.

Then I moved to Ireland.  My interest in evo-creo reawoke when the Dover trial got some coverage in the papers here.  I looked around to find out what this ID was and found Panda's Thumb and this dive.  (Nice scotch, pity about the decor.)  For the record, there's bugger all interest in ID over here.  I've seen two opinion pieces in the paper supporting ID: one from a religion correspondent and one from a gobshite who enjoys being arrogant and contrary.

Ah, God save the good work, and bless all here!  Welcome and Have a Guinness on me!

Date: 2007/05/10 12:47:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
I know you all warned me, but I must admit I am disappointed.  I had hopes that FTK was actually on a a learning curve, and asking questions of the UD Idiots would lead her to asking more questions, etc, and voila, pretty soon, science would even erupt from FTC.  

Obviously my hope of future success for FTC were dashed like Behe's and Dembski's after Dover.  

On a lighter note, congratulations to Louis on selling the house, and k.e's "Search For The Perfect Penis Gourd" .


Date: 2007/05/10 13:31:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Seizure Salad @ May 09 2007,16:35)
Arden sez this merits it's own thread, so...


Let, uh, the celebrations begin! Somebody get Kristine in here to shimmy triumphantly or something.

"UncommonDescent" is now a doubly embarrassing blog title.

EDIT: Oh,  man. And while we're on the topic of exciting evolutionary discoveries: Chinese researchers seemed to have pinpointed the gene mutation that distinguishes our cognitive abilities from that of apes. I feel overwhelmed. Overwhelmed with evidence.


Thanks for the catch and the links - and pointing to the double embarrassment of "Uncommon Descent" is a beautiful thing.

Kristine is shimmying right now in the Galapagos Islands, but I am sure she will do a special shimmy for you when she gets back.  And she could even be taking pictures of boobies for us right now!

Think of all the money and time she could have saved if only she realized like Casey Luskin and the DI Boyz that you don't even have to travel past Seattle to do research.

Date: 2007/05/10 13:55:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ May 10 2007,13:41)
Whoever quoted "Blessed are the peacemakers" must not be refering to anyone here.

yeah, about that...

see, we had a meeting to discuss that and we all concluded they must have heard wrong.

it's: "blessed are the cheesemakers".

makes a lot more sense.

Whine and cheese definitely goes well together!

Date: 2007/05/10 14:25:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yo!  BWE - Nice work on the What Me Sal? pic... Did you do the avatar for Phonon too?

Maybe you could re-create the "magic" of the Iraq War "Playing Cards"?

Dembski = Done (the Isaac Newton avatar)
DaveScot = Walrus , or hog, with face
Casey Luskin = gnat / mosquito - always whining

The problem as I see it is that they would never work as real playing cards, since they are all zero's.  Then again, it might be totally appropriate, because they would work as well as ID theory.  Whatever.

Good Pic though!

Date: 2007/05/11 13:43:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 11 2007,13:34)
Quote (carlsonjok @ May 11 2007,13:28)
Quote (Ftk @ May 11 2007,13:17)
I don't think that people must reject evolution to be a Christian.  What I'm saying is that some of them have a difficult explaining why it is that they are a Christian.  

From what I can tell, TE's vary in their interpretation of what a Christian is.  

Do you expect theistic evolutionists to subscribe to a universal theology?  The contributors at UD are hardly monolithic.  Sal subscribes to a literal interpretation of Genesis, Dembski apparently doesn't share the notion that 6 days are meant literally, Denyse is Roman Catholic, and DaveScot is the saved agnostic.

Let me ask you a question. I am going out on a limb a bit here. Is the church you currently attend the same denomination that you or your husband grew up in?

That's a statistically safe bet.

Get 'em before their reasoning skills develop..

Education levels are important too, and I don't think we are looking at much beyond HS.

Date: 2007/05/11 14:53:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ May 11 2007,14:10)
Sure, Louis, I wouldn't mind listening to what you have to say.  But, there is something about you that rubs me the wrong way.  Something about the attitude.

How about when you explain it, you...

1. Work hard at explaining in laymen's terms.
2.  ...yet, don't talk down to me.
3.  Leave out the arrogance.
4.  Don't insist that I must chime in and answer all your questions.  Just provide the info.
5.  Allude to facts as facts, and speculation as speculation.

Might be a good exercise in trying to learn how to deal with the general public who think a few of you are full of hot air...

Louis - Re #3

Frank LLoyd Wright said:

“Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility.  I chose honest arrogance and have seen no occasion to change.”

Frank Lloyd Wright

Wear it loud and proud bro!

Date: 2007/05/11 15:00:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Cool - very Sciencey!  I had to click on the links though to see the pictures.  I really am not qualified to comment on your work further, but it looks to me like you know your chem, dude!

Date: 2007/05/11 15:13:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Interesting Coincidence... or Evidence of Design?

If you go to UD, and type in "dick head" in the search area, the first search turned up is Dembski whining about Barbara Forest slamming him about the Vise Strategy Undone.

Can't beat the Fun at UD!

And speaking of non-stop fun, the "Recent" Comments section of Overwhelmng Evidence range from 1 week, 2 days ago to 5 weeks, 1 day ago.  

Yes, indeed I am overwhelmed.... laughing!

Date: 2007/05/11 21:06:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
I for one, would be glad to pay homage to the new ATBC Overlords.  I am not qualified to blog, but I like to read, and I think that as a group the people here are funnier and less stuffy than Panda People.  

Would you still be able to beat up, and make fun of DaveScot and the UD Idiots, ot would that be THE stated blog goal?

Date: 2007/05/14 11:18:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ May 14 2007,09:22)
But I'm not bipolar, I'm brilliant


Added in edit: No I'm not I'm worthless.

Added in further edit: Sod that, I'm wonderful. Quick to the credit card spending spree!

Added in yet further edit: Oh woe is me etc, I've over done it, I'm a complete failure.

{I'm not taking the micky out of BPD, it's a terrible disease, ask Stephen Fry}

Louis  - IMO, Post Of The Week (UP!) - course it isonly Monday (down)...

I would have made it a Monthly Award Nomination, if it had a rugby reference in it...

Go Cats!

Date: 2007/05/14 14:03:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thank you DaveTard for the link - Here is my email


Dr. Geoffroy,

Thank you for leading a university that has to courage to stand up for the separation of church and state and deny tenure to an idiot like Guillermo Gonzalez. “Privileged Planet” my gluteus maximus!  He made Iowa State a laughing stock – now maybe he can seek tenure at a more suitable environment… like Liberty University.

Thanks again for the truly “intelligent” decision!

Date: 2007/05/15 09:51:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 15 2007,03:08)
Dumbski gets it wrong!

And I have to wonder why he admits it? Could it be that he realises how absurd it would have looked for him to be attacking Dawkins when his record of peer-review is, erm, what would be a polite way to put this? Differently abled to that of Dawkins....

Good thing you saved this!  It has been Poofed to Oblivion!  Jeez - maybe they could start a letter-writing campaign over at UD to complain and whine about censorship of ID.

Too bad FTK is not with us to comment on it...

Date: 2007/05/15 15:06:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 15 2007,12:00)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 15 2007,09:51)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 15 2007,03:08)
Dumbski gets it wrong!

And I have to wonder why he admits it? Could it be that he realises how absurd it would have looked for him to be attacking Dawkins when his record of peer-review is, erm, what would be a polite way to put this? Differently abled to that of Dawkins....

Good thing you saved this!  It has been Poofed to Oblivion!  Jeez - maybe they could start a letter-writing campaign over at UD to complain and whine about censorship of ID.

Too bad FTK is not with us to comment on it...

Oh, the Irony!  After not doing his homework on Dawkins, then deleting the post, comes:

15 May 2007
John Derbyshire: “I will not do my homework!”
William Dembski



Date: 2007/05/15 15:20:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
This just in:  In honor of Jerry Falwell's Frying in hell, ABC has decided to go ahead with the Cavemen Show.

Date: 2007/05/16 11:56:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ May 15 2007,21:26)
Re "Why no Cave-GIRLS"

Yeah, where's Darryl Hannah?


Yeah.  Okay, we got a couple of cave girls for you - if you're man enough to handle them...

Date: 2007/05/16 14:43:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Chris Hyland @ May 16 2007,12:26)
There you go:

Oh, this link is justgreat  Yeah.  Continue the stereotype, please.  

What?  It's just not bad enough that "even a caveman can do it?"  is all over the place?  Now you have to perpetuate the other myth, that allcavemen prefer Big Butts?

Well, just so you know, the last Cro-Magnon to make a "joke" about Cavemen being stupid was Jerry Falwell.  You may have heard of him.  Yeah.  Just so you know.

Date: 2007/05/16 15:10:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
re: Death Watch For Overwhelming Evidence

The "latest comments" are now 2 weeks and 1 hour old!

In other news, Jerry Falwell is still dead.

Date: 2007/05/17 12:18:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 16 2007,18:03)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 16 2007,11:56)
Quote (Henry J @ May 15 2007,21:26)
Re "Why no Cave-GIRLS"

Yeah, where's Darryl Hannah?


Yeah.  Okay, we got a couple of cave girls for you - if you're man enough to handle them...

In the immortal words of William T Riker, "One?  Or both?"

The only Real-CaveMan answer is BOTH!

Date: 2007/05/17 12:25:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 17 2007,12:00)
Intelligent Design and the Family

The DI is not going to be upset about this, because they have been told that Denyse O'Leary is a "lock" to get on the front cover of the "Two Daddy's" version!

WAD is just not manly enough, and in fact was offered a spot on the "Two Mommy's" version, but he couldn't find a "properly designed" outfit.


Date: 2007/05/17 12:34:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 17 2007,11:02)
an organization called The National Council on Repression of Christianity...

What do I have to do to join?

Date: 2007/05/17 12:50:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ May 16 2007,21:50)
Quote (Zachriel @ May 16 2007,21:51)
If You Found E=mc2 in DNA, Would You Believe in ID?

That's a great idea. IDers should search long character strings looking for hidden messages.

What could possibly go wrong?

Best line in your link:  "A convergence of Cranks"

A great line to describe Dembski's Bible Code and ID!

Date: 2007/05/17 12:59:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Can we expect one of the chemists that frequent this site to soon develop:

Tardalot -  Primarily composed of hot air.

Davescotazine -  a gasseous methane-like substance with no real properties, other than smell, and an old, moldy houseboat

FTKlite - oily, vapid substance, hard to pin down

As other substances occur to you, please post them here for our amusement.

Date: 2007/05/17 15:19:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ May 17 2007,14:38)
But if you darryl to take both, wouldn't that be sort of welching on the one you would've taken over the other one?

Well, clearly this is a situation that I would like to be kept abreast of.  Careful examination and experimentation of the subjects will be required, and of course, true satisfaction can only be achieved through penetration to the deepest depths, and not until the final thrust can this be brought to it's final, satisfactory conclusion.

Whew!  It's times like these that I really wish I still smoked.

Date: 2007/05/18 10:13:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
For the latest FTK "off her reservation" posts go to a SciBlog site:

Date: 2007/05/18 10:46:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ May 18 2007,10:20)

The publicity is all but guaranteeing him a tenured position in the Department of Apologetics at some fundie bible college.

Nope. Most fundie colleges (e.g., BJU, Liberty), require an affirmation of the YEC view. Gonzalez would not qualify.

Unless you're William Dembski...

Maybe there is room under the big tent for a dis-credited ID Martyr after all at a Liberty, or a Patriot U.

Date: 2007/05/18 11:14:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jason Spaceman @ May 18 2007,07:33)
Some of the URLs on the NCBCPS's links page might be familiar to people here.  They link to the DI, AiG, and Carl Baugh websites.

I like the letter of recommendation they included from noted bigot Jesse Helms.  

ps:  I call Jesse Helms next in the Dirt-Surfing Pool, so all you people calling next for Dobson and Robertson are just going to have to wait your turn.

Date: 2007/05/18 14:07:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ May 18 2007,13:07)
Somebody else can continue. It's been a long week. I'm going to watch the NBA playoffs and get smashed.

Steve - More fuel for the DI Conspiracy hopper...

The NBA also has a clear bias against Gonzalez, as he is denied the opportunity to sit courtside and root for the Iowa NBA team...

When will the hating ever stop?

Date: 2007/05/18 14:25:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Can the babe from Planet Of The Apes be counted as a "cave woman", or not?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Date: 2007/05/18 20:47:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 18 2007,19:57)
Joseph seems to think that he has to get stupider as time goes by:

To me the “amazing” thing about Polaris isn’t just that it sits above our North Pole, but that it can be found due to the pointer (Ursa Major) that accompanies it.

IOW to find Polaris in the midst of all the stars just find the “big dipper” (easy to spot) and follow the outside edge of its pot to Polaris.

Truly "amazing."

Maybe Joseph can use his demonstrated amazing intuitive and deductive powers to help Gonzalez with his upcoming astronomical bible research.

Date: 2007/05/19 14:57:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ May 18 2007,21:39)
Well, I'd ask 'er, but I'm pretty sure she's not talkin'.


Great catch Henry - I forgot about that, and as long as Kristine is hanging out in the Galpagos, I can say that she's in the running for the perfect woman then, and get away with it!

Date: 2007/05/20 16:29:30, Link
Author: J-Dog

Date: 2007/05/21 18:14:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ May 21 2007,18:01)
Quote (Ichthyic @ May 21 2007,13:15)

Has Dembski lost his mind?

after all the BS he has had to endorse for such a long period in order to garner some cash for himself,

very likely he indeed HAS lost his mind in the process.

He should act as a warning beacon to all would-be intellectual hucksters.

Bill who? Who is this Bill Dembski of whom you speak? He sounds like a tiresome git.
*Gloat* ;)

Just providing evidence that I was indeed there. :)


While you were gone, somebody named Dembski killed Falwell with an Irony Explosion, and without your women's touch to give this site a touch of class, FTK's sensibilities were finally overcome, and she retreated from reality to hide at her own moderated blog somewhere in KS.

Date: 2007/05/21 18:33:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Dave Heddle in strong running for Post-of-the-Week![/quote]
Heddle's is a good post. It reminds me that although I'm merely amused by the ID wackos, if I were a christian, I'd be downright pissed at them. Salvador above all.[/quote]

If Salvador did not exist, Heddle would have to create him.

Date: 2007/05/22 08:36:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 22 2007,07:30)
I think it's the first time I've seen a quotemine that included the full quote that changed the context, yet the person writing it didn't notice!

DaveScot, Slimey Sal and Dembski will now argue that this should  count as "original ID Research".

Date: 2007/05/22 08:44:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
From Carl Zimmer on Sci Blogs:

Once More Into The Flaming Pinto My Friends!

Casey, Casey, Casey... Once again he breaks new ground in tardism, and seriously gives DaveScot a run for his money for the Lifetime Tard Acheivement Award.
(Although DaveScot linking to an article that disproves his very own quotemine attempt this morning is soooo "tres tard".

Date: 2007/05/22 15:06:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Do we need Orac's permission to awaken the Hitler Zombie to disprove Point #9?

Date: 2007/05/23 09:16:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ May 23 2007,08:13)
The economist has never been my favourite magazine, due to the way it mixes opinion with facts to promote specific views.

Hey!  Where in the hell is the damn fold-out?  I wanted to take a closer look at Miss May's trend lines!

Date: 2007/05/23 09:18:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yeah!  They are all over DaveScot, like bad science on a cheap IDist, and have been giving him the thrashing he so richly deserves on a regular basis.

What the hell.. plenty of room in the pool - come on in, the water's fine, and there is plenty of tard to go around!

Date: 2007/05/23 13:26:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Falwell Dead - Gonzalez Gone - Dembski Next?

Advanced stages of paranoia snuff out once promising career

Dateline Seattle (and heaven)

The Discovery Institute sorrows, and The Baby Jesus Weeps as the paranoia that Dr. Dr. Demsbski has been suffering from for years, finally reaches an advanced stage.  "Shhh!  They're everywhere!  They'll hear you!", whispered Dr. Dr. Dembski to this reporter as he was allowed to briefly talk (in hushed tones) to the emaciated sallow-complected Demsbksi by his seminarian and DI handlers.

Plans are currently being designed that will call for  DaveScot's jeans to be worn at half-wedgie, once a truly critical level of tard is reached.  Most veteran watchers of the scene predict it will not be long before that happens.  And another once proud IDist is reduced to pitiful sputtering of inane thoughts and outdated ideas.

Date: 2007/05/24 12:20:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Congratulations, and welcome back.  It looks like you had a GREAT time, while we wereall here fighting against the evil forces of darkness that is ID!

We managed to rid the world of Falwell, while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King...

BUT at least you DID manage to take some good pictures of bare boobies, so thanks!

Date: 2007/05/24 13:07:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,12:41)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2007,11:20)

while you were off galavanting in theh Galapagos, and having a fling with The Godless King...

Don't torture me! He is, ahem, also extremely attractive - and married - and I think he thought of me as a daughter :( (a lot of people mistook me for being a lot younger than I am), but that's okay, I indulged in my silly little dreamy-dreams anyway. :)

Well.... I think you are now totally cured of your TOTALLY UNHEALTHY Dr. Dr. Dembski fixation at last!
I know that women are supposed to like bad boys, but Dembksi is soooo creepy.

Date: 2007/05/24 13:13:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 24 2007,12:58)
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2007,12:46)


P.S. Dear All,

During the development of this post I was going to make an intelligent and cogent comment, with references, about avian evolution and archaeopteryx. However the utter asinine vacuity of Fafarman's and  FTK's comments made me pluck my eyes out with dessert spoons and jam a vacuum cleaner nozzle into my epididymis via my glans so I could suck my testicles out through my penis.

Unless you post some photos, we won't believe you really did this.  :angry:

I'm hypothesizing that after Louis' self-mutilation he will look a LOT like Dr. Dr. Dembski, and post with the wit and wisdom of a DaveScot Springer.

And unlike ALL ID theory, my theory is 100% testable! Right Louis?!  Louis!  Come back here!

Date: 2007/05/24 13:39:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 24 2007,13:36)
Yay, I lie before you, neutered, impotent, blind and brainless

Really? So, are you sure they won't let you post at UD?  :p


With those qualifications, Louis would be the Poster Of The Year at UD!

Date: 2007/05/24 13:45:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 24 2007,12:58)

Hmmm.. Were there møøse involved in a sacking?[/quote]

What about mice in a blender?

Date: 2007/05/24 14:16:12, Link
Author: J-Dog

I just caught this thread; guess I missed all the crazy, and that's a good thing.  As I was reading, I expected to get to the post soon, where it was revealed to all be Street Theater!  Guess not huh?

I am just here for the fun, and to poke fun at UD and it's minions.  For the most part, the posters here are interesting, funny and entertaining, (sorry Heddle, please get back in line) and I try to reciprocate, so there you go.  

Ah Refreshing@!  Nothing quite like closure in a bathroom stall, I mean wall.  Wall!  I said wall!

Date: 2007/05/25 08:53:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 24 2007,22:37)
And yet you keep engaging me.

Sorry kids, but as your kindly old lecherous uncle, I recommend breaking off the engagement immediately!
You two just don't seem right for each other... irreconcilable differences, I believe.  One of you is well within the range of normal, and one of you (Bob) is lost in their own little ID world.

Who gets the diamond back?

Date: 2007/05/25 13:34:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Go check out the link - IF U DARE 2 LOL!

(Do not be drinking coffee or coke when you do).

Great LOL of Dr. Dr. Dembski!

Date: 2007/05/25 14:07:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ May 25 2007,13:02)
[1] In the beginning was the Tard, and the Tard was with God, and the Tard was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[6] There was a man sent from God, whose name was Bill.
[7] The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[8] He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[14] And the Tard was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Damn you C. J. O'Brien!  

My revelation must have come just a little behind your's, so MY religion will be called "The Second Church of Mathists", and we also believe that shi is the only begotton bastardized Son Of Bill, hollow be his name.  

And verily the Tard will live forever, and ever, and ever.
And though DaveTard be his profit, only His misbegotton Son, shi has the obfuscatory skillz that only Bill The Father has shown unto us.

Join us now, or go to Falwell!

Date: 2007/05/25 14:33:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ May 25 2007,14:25)
Re "Did the Greeks have tardness geometry?"

That'd be pointless.  :p

Then I say it's perfect for ID!

Date: 2007/05/25 14:53:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
And if they are dropped on the head, or their parent's constantly extend their middle finger to them, they see design in everything, and end up addicted to ID.

Quite sad really.

Date: 2007/05/25 15:29:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
FTK - Getting Shrill, (Comment #101) and still getting it wrong...

Date: 2007/05/26 19:59:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Huh.  I guess FTK's got a sister!

Date: 2007/05/29 14:19:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 29 2007,14:06)
DaveTard get's c*nsored.

Forthekids said...
DaveScot, for shame! I will not post that comment on my blog. Try again.

I think it might be a re-creation of the davescot posts that got banned at PZ's blog... but I am just guessing.

Date: 2007/05/29 14:48:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Bob O'H @ May 29 2007,14:10)
I have little use for creation museums, but way, way less use for self-regarding, overaged art twerps who pretend superiority to millions of people who do real jobs for a living. So, I thought, Die. Twerp. Die. Before the cat gets you.

Is it common for irony meters to gently melt into a puddle of molten metal?


WOW!  Denyse REALLY goes after Kristine's "Witch" title, and I think we are actually viewing the Good Witch - Bad Witch dichotomy:

Kristine as The Good Witch -

To view Denyse as The Bad Witch, you will have to click the link - I don't want to ruin anyone's appetite -

Date: 2007/05/30 09:05:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Darth Robo @ May 30 2007,09:03)
I do kinda miss Carol.   :p

Darth Robo - Please report to the ER -  stat- Your meds are ready.   :D

Date: 2007/05/30 10:20:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ May 30 2007,04:13)
All I'm saying is that I know how to make certain volatile chemical compounds in situ and can afford a return flight to Kentucky. I am not in any way suggesting we bomb the "museum" at night when no one's around, nor that I fly over and do it. Nor am I advocating that kind of deplorable direct action or asking for anyone to pick me up from the airport, flight number BA8763.

I just thought I'd mention that.


P.S. Dear Security personnel the world over. Should this message board post reach you, please realise that it is humour, and not serious. There are no encoded messages apart from this one {FCUK FOF OYU ANZI LCONE CSUM. IGVE EM ABCK YM ICVIL ILBERTIES. AFSCIST UCNTS}, and no sleepers will be activated by the following phrase "The eagles they fly high in Mobile". If you have been having a good day, please stop and go petition your boss to stop channelling cash into ever more paranoid "security" and feed a couple of starving kids and buy your oil rather than kill for it. Yes I am willing to see my quality of life decrease to benefit that of others. Wow, a humanitarian!

Louis - You're taking a BIG chance that DaveScot will tattle to Dembski, who will tattle to Homeland Security...

That said, I will meet you in Chicago, but have taken the liberty of changing your flight plan to leave June 1, as you Brits say, and have booked you first class from Heathrow.  Unfortunately, we will have to fly "Traveller" class to KY, but I think that's what KY Jelly was invented for, right?

Incidently, I had to put the 4,178 pounds on your credit card, hope you don't mind.  You may also note that it's only a 1-way ticket, but hey, you'll be a martyer for The Cause, and remembered here for weeks after you're gone.

Date: 2007/05/31 10:20:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (qetzal @ May 30 2007,22:13)
Fry (after using the Smelloscope to smell Saturn (strawberries!) and Jupiter (pine needles!)): Just don't make me smell Uranus!

The Professor: Fry, they renamed it to get rid of that joke once and for all.

Fry: What do they call it now?

The Professor: Urectum.

Sorry. We now return you to your regularly scheduled creo-bashing.

Rectum?  It damned near killed him!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled creo-bashing.

Date: 2007/05/31 10:22:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 30 2007,14:28)
Mark Perakh was so offended by my use of "dumb arse" that he deleted that comment as well as the one addressed to Clouser, so the fight was over before it began.

So, DUH, don't be such a dumb arse!

Date: 2007/06/01 11:24:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 01 2007,10:44)

When Jonathan Wells was interviewed by Lee Strobel in The Case for the Creator, Wells mentioned in passing that many of the fossil “finds” from China are bogus. He stated that there is monetary incentive to concoct fake fossils, so there is sort of an “industry” set up over there that gives western evolutionary scientists exactly what they want to find. Anyone know about the veracity of this assertion?

I bring this up here because the bi-plane style dinosaur/bird linked to in the New Scientist and National Geographic articles above appears to have been “found” in China. Who found the fossils, and under what circumstances? (ok, I admit, I haven’t read the articles yet–maybe when I read them this will be answered).

so seyz jb

Of course, he has not actually read the articles in question, but those damm tricky Darwinists, they've been making it up all along!

They guy is TOTALLY loonie!  the biplanes are not made up and I attach proof for all you haters out there:

Plus, it's even in the bible!  Didn't the First IDer even say something about a rich man and a Camel in one of his whiney lectures?

Date: 2007/06/01 11:33:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ May 31 2007,12:28)

Are you comparing yourself to Denyse "Church Lady" O'Leary?

Listen Kristine, normally I'd refrain from lowering myself to a comment on someone's physical appearance, but dudette, you aren't in the same species as that boot faced old troglodyte. Holy tap dancing Batman on vibrating dong, Kristine, Denyse is so ugly when she was born the doctor slapped her mother. I'm not saying she's ugly (well ok I am) because beauty is only skin deep, ugly on the other hand goes right to the fucking bone. Anyone can be ugly, Church Lady is abusing the privilege. If I had a dog that ugly I'd shave its arse and teach it to walk backwards. Enough ugly jokes?

You are VASTLY distant, by any objective or subjective measure of human female pulchritude, from the O'Leary woman.....even in you ARE a witch. Hmmmm I suspect that this was the purpose of your post...damn! I've been fooled by your wily feminine ways again.


I second Louis's excellent use of diction and scansion, and recognition of common sense and beauty. It's what separates us from the animals... No, not YOU Denyse!

Come on Kristine!  Plus you have a couple of other good "points" going for you...(Hey I AM a caveman after all - what the hell do you expect?)

To say nothin of brain power, shimmy power (reportedly) and what has to be 1,000% better sense of humor!~

Topic of discussion:  Densyse O'Leary - Totally butt ugly, or proof of evolutionary retrogression?

Date: 2007/06/01 14:25:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 01 2007,13:37)

Posts: 359
Joined: Dec. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:33 ?  
So, summarize your post - Heddle is more than just a sanctimonious prick.  He's a smart sanctimonious prick?

And do I "dodge the calling names bullet" by couching my post in terms of a question?  And asking for clarification from you, the ultimate, Lord Overseer and Moderator?  And reminding you that DaveScot has control issues and is WAY more likely than you to use the Bannanator Button?

I'll take that as a resounding "No"...

Still, all in all, I remain unrepentant, and think "Tis better to have post'd and been room'd, than n'eer to post at all". :)

Date: 2007/06/01 14:30:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,11:26)
Quote (JohnW @ May 30 2007,13:39)
bornagain77 gives us the hard stuff: pure, triple-distilled, illegal-in-27-states hardcore tard:

The truth is that children have a much higher incidence of positive afterlife experiences than s do (+90% to -20%). So it would seem children are much closer to the truth than we are. Since after life experiences are indeed validated as authentic experiences by Van Lommel and a number of other studies, the question now becomes, Why do children have a much higher incidence of positive after-life experiences when temporarily deceased than s do? I think the answer is fairly straight forward. I believe that they have not been corrupted by many of the materialistic lies saying that this world is all there is. Another interesting fact is that other drastically different cultures,Hindu, Chinese,Japanese etc etc.. have a majority of afterlife experinces that are negative when compared to our Judeo-Christian society. This is truly a very facinating phenomena.
I’ve got a short study that I’ve done on this and will send it to anyone via request.

P.S. It is in Pdf. format

Pdf format = Pulled from arsehole, presumably.

[emphasis in bornagain's original quote mine, other emphasis by JohnW]

Well, I went ahead and asked for it and received it.  Is anyone interested in seeing it?  I haven't read it yet (haven't had the time and won't until later today or tomorrow).

Yeah - I say post it... It promises to be Tardariffic, but I won't read it till next week, unless my kid's baseball games get rained out.

Date: 2007/06/01 22:22:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,21:29)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 01 2007,15:30)
Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,11:26)
Quote (JohnW @ May 30 2007,13:39)
bornagain77 gives us the hard stuff: pure, triple-distilled, illegal-in-27-states hardcore tard:

The truth is that children have a much higher incidence of positive afterlife experiences than s do (+90% to -20%). So it would seem children are much closer to the truth than we are. Since after life experiences are indeed validated as authentic experiences by Van Lommel and a number of other studies, the question now becomes, Why do children have a much higher incidence of positive after-life experiences when temporarily deceased than s do? I think the answer is fairly straight forward. I believe that they have not been corrupted by many of the materialistic lies saying that this world is all there is. Another interesting fact is that other drastically different cultures,Hindu, Chinese,Japanese etc etc.. have a majority of afterlife experinces that are negative when compared to our Judeo-Christian society. This is truly a very facinating phenomena.
I’ve got a short study that I’ve done on this and will send it to anyone via request.

P.S. It is in Pdf. format

Pdf format = Pulled from arsehole, presumably.

[emphasis in bornagain's original quote mine, other emphasis by JohnW]

Well, I went ahead and asked for it and received it.  Is anyone interested in seeing it?  I haven't read it yet (haven't had the time and won't until later today or tomorrow).

Yeah - I say post it... It promises to be Tardariffic, but I won't read it till next week, unless my kid's baseball games get rained out.

I've gotten through the first couple pages of the first file he sent (there's 2.)  It is indeed tard-filled.  It might be too much for one person to handle.  I might indeed need to be quarantined as JohnW suggested.  If I do post it, maybe I'll make it a separate thread.  Both files are pretty long though (50+ pages).

50+ PAGES???!!!

No.  Don't do this to yourself!  Tard is Great and Tard is Good, all praise to the Tard, but there has to be limits!  

50 pages is exactly 49 pages too much!  If the Tardalicious poster can't make you see and feel the tard in one page, then 49 should be totally out of the question.

Date: 2007/06/01 22:26:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 01 2007,21:03)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 01 2007,18:07)
Hmmm, I can't think offhand of any aircraft manufacturer of the time other than Sopwith whose aircraft actually bore NAMES.  The Camel, the Pup, the Snipe, the Dolphin, the Salamander . . .

No Fokker anything.  No Airco.  No Bristol.  No Pfaltz.  No SPAD.  E-III, DH-2, SE5a, Dr-1, D-VII . . . .  just boring letters and numbers.

Although the Fokker D-7 has to be one of the most beautiful aircraft of any or no name.  Also the SE5a.

I have to say the Phalz and Albatross DIII were my favorites when just a wee lad building those old balsa wood stick and paper-covered models in the basement.  

My friends and I would then insert M-80's, or Cherry bombs inside them, fly them from the attic windows, and watch them go down in flames.

Date: 2007/06/04 14:29:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ June 04 2007,08:37)
Hang on a minute, have they actually put saddles on the dinosaurs?  

So why then did saddles not make a reappearance until, ummm, something like 1500 years ago.  (That date is provisional, i shall have to check it later)

Could it be that the knowledge was lost in the flood?  But then why are there no fossilised saddles alongside dinosaurs?

There are no fossilized saddles, because  they were Magic Saddles ™, and Adam & Eve didn't MAKE the saddles - they Leased the sadles.  After The Fall, the lease went unpaid, so God  repossessed them.

Date: 2007/06/05 13:15:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 05 2007,11:16)
Kairosfocus's comment before Atom's is pretty funny and deserves a fisking:

Arden - Not that I am one to criticize, but you left off kairofocuses photo, which I was able to locate in our voluminus Darwin Police files: (corrected to comply with NEW Illuminati label)

Jawohl!  Very interesting... but stupid

Date: 2007/06/05 21:40:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 05 2007,16:45)
Uncommonly Denyse has addressed herself to the relevance of orangutan, bonobo, and chimpanzee behavior to "the riddles of human existence" in a post entitled:
Another claim for ape language that doesn’t pan out

"Pan out?"

This has really got me thinking: Is she sharp enough to have intended this pun, or so dim she missed it entirely?

I vote No Effin Friggin' Way!  She is clueless, and will remain so until the rapture, or until her cat eats her.

edited:  I just followed the link to her UD post... WTF?  Isn't she supposed to be a professional writer?  The post was pointless garbage, and if this were a college intro writing course, she's not going to get a passing grade.  

Uncommonly Dense Indeed!

Date: 2007/06/05 21:58:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Paul Flocken @ June 05 2007,11:09)
I don't have the same creativity that all of you have, so please go easy on me.

Don't sell yourself short Judge, you're a terrible slouch!...

But seriously, Dembski in his New lab is excellent.  You did a great job capturing the essence of the man, the myth, the legend that is Dr. Dr. Dembksi.

Date: 2007/06/07 13:16:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 07 2007,11:53)

[claps hands to get attention]

This is what we have to make fun of now:

6 June 2007

First they came…

The following poem entitled “First they came…” is inscribed at the Boston Holocaust Memorial. Those who believe Guillermo Gonzalez’ involvement with ID outside the Iowa State campus can be justly used in consideration of whether or not to grant him tenure would be well served to think about this.

First they came…

They came first for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

I think the IDers are basically on the verge of forming a religious cult based on the Martyrdom of Guillermo Gonzalez.

I believe that Martin M answers and Trumps you DaveTard from a post at Ed Brayton's SciBlog

So how's that supposed to go, then?

They first came for those with poor publication records,
and I didn't speak up because I publish just fine.
Then they came for the unfunded,
and I didn't speak up because I get plenty of grants.
Then they came for the pseudoscientists,
and I didn't speak up because my science is coherent.
Then they came for me,
and I pointed out that I'm actually competent.
And they said 'OK, then' and left.

Doesn't really have the same power as the original, somehow.

Posted by: MartinM | June 7, 2007 10:03 AM

Martin M - If you read this, my hats off to you!

Date: 2007/06/07 13:38:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 07 2007,11:29)
Oh thank the FSM.  I was having withdrawal symptoms.

Good that The Bar is back.

Yes, Praise Jeebus, it's a friggin miracle!

Date: 2007/06/07 15:34:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 07 2007,15:24)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 07 2007,13:04)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 07 2007,13:02)
see.  same number of posts.


Edit: oh wait. That ruined it.  :(

ha! nice try.

You ARE me.

I want to see Master Tard calculate the probability that two separate people on this board that had posted over 2000 would have the exact same number of posts.

like i said, the probability is just too overwhelming for it to be any other explanation than that we are simply the same person posting under multiple identities.

steve should ban us.

I mean me.

Twin sons of different mothers...
or perhaps,

Start The ID Revolution Without Me

Date: 2007/06/08 10:46:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2007,12:27)
On June 6th, the server for PT, AE, and a slew of other domains developed some hardware issues.

We have managed to get the data transferred to the development server, which has been pressed into service a bit before we expected to do so. Let me know if you find problems: the software setup has changed a bit, so things are not exactly the same as before.

Kudos to Reed Cartwright, who did the transfers and setup on the new server, and Marc and Zach Nowell, who did the hands-on work with reconfiguring the old server so that we could get to the data.

Thanks - A New Server for My Birthday!  Just what I wanted!

Date: 2007/06/08 10:49:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jason Spaceman @ June 08 2007,04:53)
U.S. Bible-based museum drop 'Adam' video after actor's risque past revealed

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A man who plays Adam in a video aired at a Bible-based creationist museum in Kentucky has led a different life outside the Garden of Eden, flaunting his sexual exploits online and modelling for a clothing line that promotes free love.

After learning about his activities Thursday, the Creation Museum pulled the 40-second video in which he appears.

"We are currently investigating the veracity of these serious claims of his participation in projects that don't align with the biblical standards and moral code upon which the ministry was founded," Answers for Genesis spokesman Mark Looy said in a written statement.

The actor, Eric Linden, owns a graphic website called Bedroom Acrobat, where he has been pictured, smiling alongside a drag queen, in a T-shirt brandishing the site's sexually suggestive logo. The website, which has a network of members, allows users to post explicit stories and photos.

He also sells clothing for SFX International, whose initials appear on clothing to spell "SEX" from afar. It promotes "free love," "pleasure" and "thrillz."

Read it here.

So, we owe it to ourselves, and our children, to do some internent research and find out if "Eve" has any cool porno background/sites too!  Anything for the cause!

Date: 2007/06/08 10:58:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Piss on all Big American Brewrys and their products, but I tried a Sam Adams Pale Ale last weekend - It sucked.

I should stick with Guiness, but I know I will continue to sample micro-products, so thanks for the tips on sips.

My best recommendation, a French wine, Louis Jadot Beaujolais that only costs @ $10 a bottle.  Mmmmm good.

Date: 2007/06/08 12:54:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ June 08 2007,12:42)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 08 2007,19:19)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 08 2007,12:06)
I was perusing the website for the new Chick tract from the DI, "Exploring Evolution" in order to figure out if I can get a free "examination copy" to put on my shelf alongside "Of Pandas and People" and the Bob Jones Univ.-published "Biology for Christian Schools".

I assume you have this classic?

I hope Gonzalez does get picked up by some place like East Jesus Bible and Polytechnic Institute or whoever. It's the least they can do after exploiting him so thoroughly for propaganda purposes.

I don't. I hope Gonzalez comes to his sense, gives up the ID shite as the not-even-science-piss-poor-excuse-for-religious-apologetics it is and works his balls off and gets a good tenured post by bringing in a bit more cash and doing a bit more research this time. The world needs more scientists, and I wish GG no ill at all.

(IIRC his publication and revenue generation track records were the most concrete tenure refusal reasons I read about. How true this is I don't really know, I wasn't at his tenure review!)


Louis - You're just the "Last Of The Boyscouts"... I am much more inclined to root for him forming and leading the Bob Jones Toy Telescope Astronomy / Astrology Club, which meets on alternate Tuesdays, where punch and cookies will be served, and conversion stories witnessed.  Speaking in Tongues is optional, as always.

Date: 2007/06/11 10:53:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 09 2007,23:59)
I didn't even make this one - it was just out there. :)

This is dedicated to J-Dog.

Thanks.. I think.  I could make some great comments, but I think this post would then wind up on the Bathroom Wall, so you will have to make up your OWN smutty, yet funny comments!

ps:  I'm thinking that the effect might be enhanced, if the brownies get done in time... a little experimentation might be in order.

Date: 2007/06/11 14:26:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 11 2007,13:43)
It makes about as much sense asking the pope what sex is like.

Or asking Sister Mary Mother Of Pain, what kind of sex the Pope likes:)

Date: 2007/06/11 15:29:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2007,15:01)
Sorry. It fills up about every two weeks. I just cleaned it out.

Filling that sucker up every 2 weeks....

You talking about The Pope Hat?  

mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Date: 2007/06/11 15:32:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 11 2007,14:10)
It somehow happens that I am allowed to be here with you guys again

new server.

don't worry, just keep posting and we'll have that fixed for you.

Ouch!  That's gonna leave a mark!

Date: 2007/06/11 19:52:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
My $.02:

This is a link to an easy to read, easy to understand basic evolution site developed at Berkeley.

I like to look at pictures, so this is perfect for me, and it may even help others that are interested in learing how evo really works.

Once we get past the basics, then we can go on to a more meaningful discussion of why ID is NOT science.

Date: 2007/06/11 20:02:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Remember that scene in Jaws, when Quint was describing the fate of the crew of the Indianapolis?  Yeah.  I thought so; one of the best scenes in the movie.  

From the Jaws Trivia Page:
Quint's tale of the USS Indianapolis was conceived by playwright Howard Sackler, lengthened by screenwriter John Milius and rewritten by Robert Shaw following a disagreement between screenwriters Peter Benchley and Carl Gottlieb. Shaw presented his text, and Benchley and Gottlieb agreed that this was exactly what was needed. Whoever was responsible, Quint got the date of the sinking wrong, claiming it was June 29, 1945, when in reality it was 12:14 am on July 30th, 1945. Universal has toyed with the idea of making the "Indianapolis" incident into a film, using a young Quint as the lead, ever since. Note that June 29, however, is the date (in the film) that the young boy was eaten by the shark, as can be seen in the hand-written "reward" notice.

Date: 2007/06/13 10:04:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 13 2007,07:06)
So I thought I'd create a thread to discuss Behe's response, if any ever arrives.

The above quote was posted on the 9th June 2007 and so a week is this coming saturday the 16th.

I look forwards to Behe attempting to defend all the various aspects of his "work" that have been demolished so far in reviews.

It looks like me you are going to enter the ATBC record books by creating The World's Shortest Thread!

Date: 2007/06/13 10:10:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yes - PZ is one hell of a blogger.  As a matter of fact, I would like to see PZ run for President.  We've tried the Creo-Moron type - that didn't work out so well.  

Maybe a voice of reason would be a good idea - what do you say America?

And BTW - I don't see PZ losing his watch in a crowd either.

Date: 2007/06/13 10:12:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Was there a moose-like reptile found close by?

If only we had a real way-back machine!

Date: 2007/06/13 10:16:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Has anyone tried to e-mail Richard Dawkins about "his" site?  Kristine?

Date: 2007/06/13 14:13:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Darth Robo @ June 12 2007,07:12)
Statement:  IDer's pretending to be as cool as Han Solo!  Some meatbags will surely pay!


IDers trying to be cool?  PLEASE!

They think they are doing Star Wars?  What they are actualy doing is Spaceballs.  Without the humor.  Dembski as Darth Vader/Dark Helmet, and Denyse as Chewbaca / Barfolomew.

Date: 2007/06/13 14:40:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2007,21:08)

For your viewing pleasure, the link is to some great comments by real scientists trashing Behe's book at Amazon.

Date: 2007/06/13 14:59:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 13 2007,14:16)
Having a wrong idea and admitting you were wrong is a mild embarrassment, and it passes. Far worse is clinging to a wrong idea long after everyone else knows it's wrong.

Can you please sign up at UD and get this post put up over there.  Please hurry....

Date: 2007/06/13 15:30:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
My favorite is that the KRID Theory ismore valid than ID theory from poster John Kwok:

So I would argue that a perfectly valid alternative to Intelligent Design is the Kwok-Roddenberry Intelligent Design model of origins, or KRID for short. KRID postulates that sometime in the distant future, a flotilla of Klingon battlecruisers - or just one Klingon battlecruiser - traveled back in time, and dropped out of warp, orbiting the primordial Earth approximately 4.5 billion years ago. A team of Klingon scientists and engineers then created the necessary conditions favorable for the origins of life on Planet Earth, knowing that by doing so, they could change the timeline to ensure that James T. Kirk would not be born in the 23rd Century. Apparently they've been successful, since there hasn't been the Eugenics Wars or a World War IV which wiped out most of the globe in a nuclear conflict between the United States and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I submit to you that there is more ample evidence in support of KRID than for ID, and I will also note that KRID is consistent with the Modern Synthesis Theory of Evolution too.

Live Long and Prosper,

ps:  if anyone has an Amazon account, they could invite Mr. Kwok to our humble little corner of the blogosphere.  I tried to, but do bot qualify, since I have not bought a book from them in the past.

Date: 2007/06/13 15:47:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 13 2007,15:38)
J-Dog, good idea, but it needs a tweaky.

As oft stated by Rev. Dr. Lenny, you need to remove the “balls.”

Kristine - Since we were discussing IDers, I thought that was understood...

And of course as they are IDers, we are also assuming that they go about their daily activities.... sans penis, ne se pas?

Date: 2007/06/14 08:26:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 13 2007,20:48)
indeed, it makes me want to test the theory that:

every piece would say, "I love you".

I'm doubtful, frankly.


A little experimentation and observation might be in order....

Date: 2007/06/14 09:39:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's pretty quiet over there.... I get the impression that Dembski, Denyse and DaveScot et al are getting a little tired of their lying for Jebus, I mean lying for ID act.

The PN (Posting Numbers) are down, the TQ (Tard Qotient) is way down, and I am getting just a little concerned.  Should we dial 911 and have someone go over and look them up, make sure they are all okay?  

Hey FTK - you still have posting privaleges over there.. . give them a shout out, make sure they are still breathing.

Date: 2007/06/14 11:13:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Sharks, and why some of us are interested in them...

Date: 2007/06/14 15:12:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 14 2007,12:29)
I noticed in the thread on Falwell that you were surprised about the connection to the Moonies.

did you know that Jonathan Wells is a Mooney?


his entire graduate career at Berkeley (which overlapped with mine, btw) was entirely funded by Rev. Moon.

bet you now are wondering why the DI loves him so much?

that tent of theirs is awfully large, ain't it.

Well, we are trying to help them slim down... so the tent won't have to be as large.

Date: 2007/06/15 10:13:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 15 2007,02:55)
But the evidence for attaining via sequential mutations the types of systems Behe considers is nil. The Darwinists have no step-by-step detailed testable scenarios for evolutionary processes attaining such systems. Stepwise mutational pathways to such systems for now exist only in Coyne’s imagination and that of his fellow Darwinists

Jesus fucking Christ - On a stick...when is Dembski's birthday?  Somebody needs to get him an "Idiots Guide On How to Write".  WTF?  How in the hell did someone with his total lack of writing skillz get double doctored?  

Oh.  Sorry for the rant, I started to say Happy Birthday, and got distracted by The Tard.  And when I was 24 living in The Cave, we had to go out and work at the Bedrock Quarry, and stop our cars with our bare feet...

Date: 2007/06/15 11:19:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
re:  Using & Abusing Mods

Save the following.  Use and repeat as necessary.

As you post, please read in your best John Cleese voice -

Archie's Apology - From A Fish Called Wanda (say this whenever you offend anybody):

I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact and was in no way fair comment and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

It worked for me with Steve when I reacted to "getting Heddled" earlier in the year!

Date: 2007/06/15 13:52:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ftk @ June 15 2007,13:47)
Jesus does NOT think its bad to rip people apart and hurt them.  After all, he sends all the ones who don't kiss his ass to hell for an eternity of punishment.

How in the hell do you equate believing that He was sent to earth to suffer and die for the sins of all, and in turn we are merely asked to accept the gift?  That's it - that's ALL the "ass kissing" we have to do.  

Hideous request, isn't it?!!  Horrible!  Devastating!  An impossible request!!

FTK -  Accepting the "gift" as you say, is the tip of the iceberg, or, put it another way, it's a wedge to somewhere I don't choose to go.  

I also seem to recall some old story about a
BIG horse, with Greeks inside of it... I don't thnik the Trojans were all that happy about their "gift" either!

Date: 2007/06/15 13:56:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2007,13:45)

Posts: 1138
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2007,14:27 ?  
9 kids?

Message to Mrs Behe:

"Put the dick down. Step away from the dick"

Thank you


Posts: 1010
Joined: Jan. 2006

dam louis. I dunno why but I really didn't see that one coming.


So, for my future edification, would the following be acceptable?

"Message to Mrs Behe:

"Put the penis down. Step away from the penis"

Thank you"

Date: 2007/06/15 14:01:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Gunthernacus @ June 14 2007,13:24)

Brilliant... yet flawed my young Jedi master.

Denyse should is most certainly best portrayed as Chewbacca...

Date: 2007/06/15 14:58:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 15 2007,14:44)
Quote (Ftk @ June 15 2007,14:38)
As for my ID strength of support. I wanted to believe in God (I still do) and thought on first glance that ID had something to offer. So I swallowed it. If you do not believe me why not try this. Actually follow the evidence. Do that and you will not support ID for long.

Hold the phone here a second.  Are you saying that you don't believe in God?  That you merely "want" to believe in God?  So, you were looking toward ID to give you the proof you would like to find in order to believe in God?  That may answer a few questions I initially had about you.  

If you're looking toward ID to PROVE God, then you're right, you're looking in the wrong place, IMO.

I was saying that I want to believe in God. I thought that ID had scientific evidence of God and ID was found wanting.

My belief in God is not scientific and it is probably not what you would call belief.

Rephrase. I want a loving God to exist. I hope one does. But that is not a scientific claim/belief. It is religious. There is a difference.

Boo Yah for you Stephen!

FTK - Step one is admitting - at least to yourself -  that ID is in fact, religious.  You can believe IDC and the DI if you want, but if you do, you have to admit that you are doing it on faith.  

You may have been fooled so far by the High Priests of the ID Creationist movement, but understand that this is exactly what they want to do - fool the masses (and some Moms!) with "sciencey-sounding" words and phrases.  

I know you have your BIG Family Thing this weekend, so have fun with that, but just keep in mind that old expression about lipstick on a pig...and that you deserve better than to be taken in by the cheap tawdry hustlers that run the DI and the IDC movement.

Listen to Stephen.

Date: 2007/06/15 15:09:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Denyse is a effing laugh riot!

From her blog - moderation comments:

To Mr. Anonymous: I'm not psychic, so if you won't tell me who you are, I can't guess and don't care. To Mr. Nude World (URL): If you can't be bothered telling site visitors why they should go on to your fave site next, why should I post your comment? They're all busy people, like you. To Mr. Rudesby International and Mr. Pottymouth: I also have a tendency to delete comments that are merely offensive. Go be offensive to someone who can smack you a good one upside the head. That may provide you with a needed incentive to stop and think about what you are trying to accomplish. To Mr. Righteous but Wrong: I don't publish comments that contain known or probable factual errors. There's already enough widely repeated misinformation out there, and if you don't have the time to do your homework, I don't either. To those who write to announce that at death I will either 1) disintegrate into nothingness or 2) go to Hell by a fast post, please pester someone else. I am a Catholic in communion with the Church and haven't the time for either village atheism or aimless Jesus-hollering

My sides are just splitting.

Yeah.  I can see her headlining at The Comedy Club now.

She's about as funny as the Spanish Inquisition.

Date: 2007/06/15 15:13:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thank you Richard - appreciate the catch and link.

Date: 2007/06/15 15:25:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 15 2007,15:14)
Denyse is a effing laugh riot!

Ah, but remember, I clearly specified: deliberately funny. Can a creationist actually have an effective sense of humor?

(We all know they can be regular laff riots when they're trying to act all grown-up like.)

Simple answer?  NO

Longer answer... this subject / discussion, might be worth a PhD to some enterprising young psychologist, because I do not recall now, or at any time in the past ever hearing / seeing an actual "funny" creao / IDist.  It's just not in them.

Yes, I think you are on to something!  Maybe onsomething too, but that I guess is another story.

Damn!  Very interesting!  Evo's / Scientist = funny.  IDers/Creos = NOT Funny.  But the fun starts in fitting in all those stodgy, unfunny professors I have known.  I know they weren't IDers or Creos, but they still weren't funny.  Not as un-funny as a Dembski, or a DaveScot, but still, not funny, and not someone to have a drink with.  

The Grant Request for this study might even merit it's own show on Comedy Central.  


Date: 2007/06/15 15:34:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 15 2007,14:54)
I am fair sure that we used to have a thread on current reading here. Tried to search it but damned if I can.

Just started nto read "The ragged trousered philanthropists" and wanted to share thoughts.

Under A Green Sky - Excellent - I recommend it and give it 2 Mastodon Tusks Up.  Discussion of global warming and previous mass extinctions.  Well written - moves along - interesting - the opposite of a Dembski tome.

And we should always have a Current Books Read / Reading post easily accessable - I would bet that most of read all the time.

Date: 2007/06/15 15:44:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 15 2007,15:31)
might be worth a PhD to some enterprising young psychologist

I'm 99% sure this has already been done, and by different people looking at different angles of it.  I do recall reading snippets of this back in basic pych, so the studies on this must have been done quite a while back (probably 30 years or more)

again, check the psych lit.

Ichthyic - Yeah.  I'm turning up lots of papers:

1.  Holy Shit - These People are Effing Dumb - University of Michigan Press.

2.  No Humor - No brains - Dr. Michael Egnor

3.  Jesus Christ - give it a rest already - The Wit and Wisdom of Kent Hovind - Anthology collected by his cellmates.

4.  Hey Peter - I can see your house from up here!
Christ On A Cross Collection - Vatican Library

5.  The Wit and Wisdom of IDers -(one page double-spaced paper)

5.  Knock Knock - Who's There - The funniest jokes of the Religious Right- (one page double-spaced paper)

Date: 2007/06/16 20:44:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yes, - Welcome Spags, and do tell.  I'll put some more coffee on.  Or fix you a drink, whatever.

Date: 2007/06/18 10:03:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2007,09:57)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 18 2007,00:53)

Quote (Kristine @ June 17 2007,20:16)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 17 2007,18:36)
This is a Day of Love!

more like the start of the "year of living dangerously".

I just saw a ballet version of Barbarella and it inspired me. I'm going to write a musical starring wMAD and the whole crazy gang, plus us and me, about ID. :)

The bacterial flagella will get their own dance number.

Make it a porno and the flagella are really proto dildos.  That and fart jokes will sell to the creationists.   ???

Oh, the bacterial flagellum is so totally a phallic symbol for these Han Solo wannabees.

Am I the only one to notice that? ;)

Kristine - The other key datum is that the actual size of the flagellum is microscopic, if you know what I'm saying...

so certainly this has a bearing on their world-view, and how they "handle" things.

Date: 2007/06/18 10:09:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 18 2007,08:26)
A batch of the PT contributors and commenters went to the AiG Creation Museum yesterday. We'll be posting our thoughts as we get the chance.

I have my preliminary bit up at my weblog.

Thank you for putting up with what had to be a dangerous level of tard, so that we can be spared.  I am looking forward to the PT Reports.

Date: 2007/06/18 10:14:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
This is a very sad story.  Things could go very wrong for the future Captain James T Kirk, if he doesn't have a Mr. Scott as Chief Engineer, or a Mr. Scott that has been brainwashed by ID...

Soory Captain, we have to surrender to the Klingon's!
The Enterprise just wasn't designed for me to get you mooor Poweer, ya know.  I learned this as a wee bairn in my ID class.  

Very sad that the Enterprise only had one mission.

Date: 2007/06/18 12:28:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 18 2007,11:10)
"Sometimes a flagellum is just a flagellum".

Yeah... but mine's bigger.  ds

Date: 2007/06/18 12:40:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ June 15 2007,18:08)
It's Tommy Cooper, a British comedian. Very very funny.


I'm more into the intellectual, subtle comedy stylings of noted ID scientist and Brit comedian Benny Hill.

Here is he is surrounded by his Research Assistants:

Date: 2007/06/18 12:47:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2007,12:42)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 18 2007,11:40)
Quote (Louis @ June 15 2007,18:08)
It's Tommy Cooper, a British comedian. Very very funny.


I'm more into the intellectual, subtle comedy stylings of noted ID scientist and Brit comedian Benny Hill.

Here is he is surrounded by his Research Assistants:

The original "Pleasurian." :)

Yes.  Let us doff our hats for the ceremonial playing of "Yakkity Sax".

Date: 2007/06/18 13:11:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ June 18 2007,12:59)
Re "Hey, pal, I got your flagellum right here. "

Put that thing away when out in public! ;)


Please!  No need to panic....

If it's the flagellum of an ID Theorist, it can only be viewed through rose-colored glasses or the follwoing:

HTH :)

Date: 2007/06/18 14:58:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 18 2007,14:33)

How many AFDave's does it take to change a lightbulb?

Hmmm... I know there's a good answer to this joke:

How many Dave Scots does it take to change a lightbulb?


It doesn't take any, homo

Real Autodicks ™ aren't afeared of the dark.

Date: 2007/06/18 15:02:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Ahem... I don't think Behe's going to be replying.

Hello?  Dr. Behe?  Anybody Home?  Hello?

Date: 2007/06/18 15:09:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 18 2007,12:55)
This guy karked live on stage, too.

This guy Karked on stage for us!

Won't some one stand up for him?
(Bill Buckingham)

Date: 2007/06/19 13:44:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 19 2007,10:45)
How many honorary doctorates does Judge Jones have now?

...Ron Numbers informs me that over 100 professional societies have weighed in officially against ID. (Again, I’d like to see this confirmed.) Don’t expect people with a finger in the wind to help ID....

But if they've got a thumb...

No, nevermind.

Why in the hell does Dembski persist in linking to posts that make him look so bad?  First he links to the "New non-religious support for ID" - and the guy is nothing but another total nutcase. (Sorry Kristine I know you have high hopes for the Theorey of Pleasurium...)  

Then he links to this honor for Judge Jones, who helped to hand Dembski and ID their hat, lunch, & ass at Dover...

So, let's help Dr. Dr. Bill and play Amateur Psychoanalysis.  If Bill will forward his HMO info to us here, we can bill them for the time, so it will be a win-win all around.  We make money, and help Dr. Dr. Dembski get de-programmed.  I hope my brief outline will help:

The Top Ten Problems With Dr. Dr. Dembksi

10.  Martyr Complex - He wants to suffer.  Lets continue to help him!
9.  Messianic Complex - see above... Damn, where did I put those 6" nails?
8.  He's a Fruitcake, Looney Tunes, and a bunch of other medical terms.
7.  Has Leprosy (see his latest post)
6.  Suffers from Irritable Bowel Syndrom (see post-dover fart sequence)
5.  Bad case of unrequited love for either DaveScot or Denyse... (I say go for DaveScot Bill, I think he is less likely to suffer from rabies.  And fleas.)
4.  He is nothing but a skanky attention whore- ignore him!
3.  His idiocy is a perfectly understandable reaction by one who was ruthlessly and repeatedly "wedgied" when in grade school.  By the girls.  The younger girls.
2.  He hasn't been able to concentrate ever since Paris Hilton got sent up the river.
1.Nothing anyone can do - He was Designed That Way!

Date: 2007/06/19 14:05:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 19 2007,13:24)
That page says "1996".

Where do you get your time-warps from?[/quote]
I did too much LDS in the 60's . . . since I live basically down the street from the Sands I should have really remembered it couldn't have been last year, but I still live in the 90's anyway.

Wow, far out man!  You did LDS while me and my group was doing LSD!  

Dude! I just couldn't get off on those Mormons (Latter Day Saints).  They kept getting stuck up my nose.

Date: 2007/06/19 14:27:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 19 2007,14:20)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 19 2007,14:05)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 19 2007,13:24)
That page says "1996".

Where do you get your time-warps from?

I did too much LDS in the 60's . . . since I live basically down the street from the Sands I should have really remembered it couldn't have been last year, but I still live in the 90's anyway.

Wow, far out man!  You did LDS while me and my group was doing LSD!  

Dude! I just couldn't get off on those Mormons (Latter Day Saints).  They kept getting stuck up my nose.[/quote]
I think it is a reference to Star Trek: The Journey Home.  Trying to explain Spock's odd behavior, Kirk says "Oh, him? He's harmless. Part of the free speech movement at Berkeley in the sixties. I think he did a little too much LDS."

Ha!  I knew that all the time!  It was just Street Theater!

Date: 2007/06/19 15:00:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ra-Úl @ June 19 2007,14:54)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 19 2007,14:05)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 19 2007,13:24)
That page says "1996".

Where do you get your time-warps from?

I did too much LDS in the 60's . . . since I live basically down the street from the Sands I should have really remembered it couldn't have been last year, but I still live in the 90's anyway.

Wow, far out man!  You did LDS while me and my group was doing LSD!  

Dude! I just couldn't get off on those Mormons (Latter Day Saints).  They kept getting stuck up my nose.[/quote]
Hey, it's a Star Trek quote . . . the movie with the whales and transparent aluminium . . .


Dude, I know!  Carlsonjok clued me in.  I guess I really diddo too much LSD in the 6o's!  (Although trying to stick LDS Marie Osmond up my nose wouldn't have been that bad an idea, back in the day!)

Date: 2007/06/19 15:03:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 19 2007,14:36)

Richard - You stalking DaveScot now, or is this Dembski's "overcompensation"?

Date: 2007/06/19 15:36:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (SpaghettiSawUs @ June 19 2007,15:20)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 19 2007,20:30)
Quote (SpaghettiSawUs @ June 19 2007,14:13)
Ok then, 2 pints (make mine a Banks's ;))

Good choice. I like "Directors".

On a completely different topic. You seem to have had a few bad experiences with religion. Most of mine where good. However the story is different from my fathers perspective. He was told by Nuns that they had brought him the nails from Jesus' cross to see, touch and examine. My father claims that he told them that the nails where the wrong shape (cross-section) to be actual Roman nails (round instead of square IIRC). The religious authorities claimed that that information had come from Satan and my father was a sinner. Cool as fuck eh?....NO!

Courage (brewery not bravery) was always looked down on in my neck of the woods, but I've always enjoyed a Directors. Pity it takes their premium beer to actually make a decent beer. But maybe I'm just a snob.

Lets see what I can chuck at yer regarding a quick religous history of Spags:

Baptised CofE at age 5/6 (not done at birth).
Father was RC and "returned to the church" around age 8, became a fucking pious loon. Mass was now de-rigeur.

Age 10 move house, new school: RC.
Re-Baptised RC, 1st Confession, Communion and Confirmation in one year. Altar boy.

Age 11/16: RC Secondary school, altar boy still, on TV "Morning Worship" once -sad claim-2-fame :(

After leaving school got into occult for a while, tarot, ouija, magick (incl. Esoteric Spelling Style™).

"Conversion Experience" into JWs aged 21 (answered prayer - no honest, seriously... look its up to you if you don't believe it, I believed it so it was true for *me* OK!!), baptised by full immersion six months later.

Two years later, married in Kindgdom Hall. Alcohol free reception  - not a doctrinal requirement, "conscience issue" - i.e. looked down on if you had alcohol, especially with "worldly" family attending).

Two years later cognitive dissonance leads to depression, leads to university find something to do with "underused potential") it works - leads to optional module on psychology, leads to mind-control undone, leads to ex-communication. Still believe in God, very fucking confused! Shunned by all JWs (incl. in-laws).

Studied bibble, researched JWs discovered how cults work. Deconverted my wife. Result!!! Converted to evangelical Christian, baptised-a-fucking-gain!!! New ministry in life: ex-JWs.
Helped alot out (those that were "ready") did leaflet drop or publication drops on people, photocopies of old watchtowers containing barmy, racist, stupid or even (wooooooo) spritistic.

Counseled, worked on a few conferences, visited churches as guest speaker. Started on BB on Delphi Forums (now defunkt). I remained a YEC (the JW variety manages to be a little more specific and a little more dodgy at the same time, allowing 7000 years for each of the genesis "Days" == 49,000 years: 6 creative days to Eve... then one 7000 years to: Armageddon!!! Erm... counting from the creation of Eve that is which was... erm some time after Adam... and is unspecified, but reckoning on 1975 for 7000 years to Adam (using JW's own patented Genealogicus Biblicus Maximus™ Version 23.2_beta1), so... from 1975 to 2007 = 32 years therefore Eve was at least 32 (and counting) when she got chucked out of Eden and God could get on with his nap).

One day some guy I'd become friends with on a forum passed a couple of links. One was this, the other was this.

I was no longer YEC.
I started to really learn to think.

Erm... I'm still working on that last bit :)


Quite a story - To quote Jery Garcia, "What a long, strange trip it's been".  And I guess that's why the DI, IDers and YEC's dislike people that can think, read and do research for themselves.

Date: 2007/06/20 09:47:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 20 2007,09:19)
A Mighty Wind, a broader light.  
Michael Tuite: I have no aspirations to be in another trial, and if I am barred from one on account of posts such as this, so be it. I regard posts such as this in a broader light than you do, seeing them as mirrors by which the culture may examine itself.

*Looks into mirror, fixes her hair* Thanks, Bill. Don't wait up for me, the culture will be out late, having a life.
Where is the honor in Jones’s honorary doctorate?

Who put de "honor" in your honor, Your Honor?
Bill should really ask you, but he just doesn't wanner. That reminds me of a song.

Who put the bomp
In the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?
Who put the ram
In the rama lama ding dong?
Who put the bop
In the bop shoo bop shoo bop?
Who put the dip
In the dip da dip da dip?
Who was that man?
I'd like to shake his hand
He made my baby
Fall in love with me

When my baby heard
Bomp bah bah bomp
Bah bomp bah bomp bah bomp bomp
Every word went right into her heart
And when she heard them singin
Rama lama lama lama
Rama ding dong
She said we'd never have to part
So......... :)

Yes, Mr. Bill,

What kind of information is transmitted by

Boom Shaka-laka?

Date: 2007/06/20 10:27:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thanks for the bump!

It was fun re-reading the link to the Panda's thread from the time of Dembski's ascention to seminary status.

Special Bonus:  Dr. Dr. Bill hisself responds on the thread.

Date: 2007/06/20 10:38:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 20 2007,10:28)
Quote (Kristine @ June 20 2007,10:08)
Naturally he broods about not being rewarded for his great contribution to humanity, for which he has so much secret contempt.

Naturally.  But, as a believer in a personal God Disembodied Telic Entity who moves in mysterious scientifical ways, you would think that he would see in his embarassing series of missteps groundbreaking ideas being viewed skeptically by the scientific community, a lesson in humility opportunity to further develop his ideas.  Alas, no moments of insight return to the lab here.  Better to petulantly stamp his feet stand by his considerable body of work.  Because, his canon is a dead-end irreducibly complex.

Carlsonjok - Now THIS POST should be added to yourconnonical list!  MOST EXCELLENT AND FUNNY!  Too bad it's too big for your "quote" section here...

Date: 2007/06/20 11:08:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JohnW @ June 20 2007,10:08)
Quote (skeptic @ June 19 2007,16:41)
Personally, I get real nervous when someone wants to completely shut the book on some line of inquiry in the name of "science."

Skeptic, sometimes it's time to shut the book.  All science is provisional, and the book can always be reopened if spectacular new evidence comes to light.  But if someone is flogging a long-discredited set of ideas, and they are doing so for theological reasons, with dodgy evidence and flat-out-wrong methodology, do we even have a scientific line of of inquiry?

Where should we draw the line, skeptic?  Geocentrism?  Phlogiston?

Phrenology was better Science that ID - it was testable.  Wrong, but testable.

However, Dr. Behe, I just happen to have a set of calipers here... We will see if you indeed are the pinhead that people have intimated that you are.

Date: 2007/06/20 13:18:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 20 2007,12:55)
Who put de "wary"
in the honorwary degwee?
Who put de "oop"
in de ID poopaloop?
Who put the "won"
in the science wonnabee?
Rama rama ding ding,
who's de dingaling?

Who was that man?
Wanna shake his designed hand
He made my funnybone
Fall in love with ID. ;)

An excellent creation, but please allow me to suggest the following lines to replace your final four:

Who was that man?
With the poorly designed hand
He has no funny in his shimmy
And no honors from ID.

Date: 2007/06/20 13:30:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 20 2007,12:12)
Quote (Henry J @ June 20 2007,11:20)
Neanderthal Man was an Innovator Says New University of Leicester Study
Neanderthal man was not as stupid as has been made out says a new study published by a University of Leicester archaeologist.

In fact Neanderthals were far removed from their stereotypical image and were innovators, says Dr Terry Hopkinson of the School of Archaeology and Ancient History in a paper published in Antiquity.

(Well, that's one insurance company that'll need a new theme for their advertisements...)


With a bigger brain cavity than we have, I never understood why neanderthalls where painted as dumb either.

Right on brother!  I'm thinking that all of us here have a little Neandetal... well, some more than others.

Dembski?  No.  Not a chance.  Homo Floresiensis, maybe... if you know what I'm saying.

Date: 2007/06/20 13:42:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ June 20 2007,10:27)
I suppose I can relate my tiny shark experience here, just FYI. Even in the UK we get sharks, where I am from originally (Dorset coast) we get two species: Porbeagle sharks and Basking sharks.

I have never seen Porbeagles in the wild but I have snorked off a boat and come a lot closer to a young Basking shark than I ever thought I would. I know they are harmless filter feeders but I got out of the water in precisely the same way an ICMB gets out of a submarine (i.e vertically and "rocket" powered) when I saw at the edge of my underwater vision a huge shark with a massive mouth heading roughly in my direction (actually, it was diagonally off to my right hand side, but I could still see the mouth).

Coward when it comes to large cartilagenous fish? Yup!


That's got to be tough for them, trying to sneak up on people... did the cello music give it away?

Date: 2007/06/20 13:51:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 20 2007,13:42)

Anyone up for it. We can see the exhibit and then grab some bevvies and a ruby*

It'll be better that the AtBC Seattle / AMWAY get together.

*Cockney rhyming slang, innit?

I am up for it, but this is the middle of baseball season, and my son's travel team takes a lot of time.  When we're not playing, we're practicing, so Aug or so would be better for me, but I have to up for meeting a guy with a Tard on his cap.  

Good idea.

Date: 2007/06/20 15:09:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Dembski Does It To Himself.  Again.

This time, he links to the European Council that released a statement about the dangers of creationism in education.  

So why is Dr. Dr. Dembski not trying to keep this from his sycophants again?  This seems very strange to me.  

I think if he keeps this up that DaveScot is going to have to ban him, and the DI will de-fellow him.  I wonder if they will allow him a local anesthetic when the de-fellow him?

Date: 2007/06/20 21:27:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 20 2007,15:30)
The sheer accumulated douchebaggery of Davetard.

A Fatwa on the Fat one! Always appropriate, and worth the look!

Date: 2007/06/20 21:39:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Come on people!  What an opportunity- Me & Richard and Chuckie too!  I am sure FTK will stop off on her way to the Flintstone Museum, so things could be real interesting.

Hell, MN is only a 6 hour drive, so anyone that would go all the way to the Galapagos could just shimmy their way here in a matter of minutes.  

And we don't even shoot strangers, like they do in TX.  Of course, you don't want to be caught wearing the "wrong colors" here.  Sign up now, while there is still time, and room on the bus.

Date: 2007/06/21 08:55:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (fusilier @ June 21 2007,08:21)
Hmmnnn.  My Beloved and darling wife will be doing her State fair gig in August- and I can prolly get away.

WRT "colors,"  I suppose I could buy a Peyton Manning jersey for the festivites.

James 2:24

fusilier - Only if that Payton Manning Jersey is in Bear Colors...  

OBTW:  In Chicago, the only correct spelling of Payton is as above, and the number on the jersey has to be 34.


Kristine & Blipey : -- That would be great!

Date: 2007/06/21 12:26:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 21 2007,11:02)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 21 2007,09:23)
Quote (Louis @ June 21 2007,10:09)
Hughes I thought you were English and in England.

Am I wrong?


I am English but I live in Chicago, which is a great place to live because it's not in Texas. I can walk to the field museum - I live in a loft downtown.

Does that mean we can crash? ;)

(Oop, put teh wizard on the spot, I did.)

I think we have room, if you don't mind middle-class American suburbia.

Date: 2007/06/21 12:37:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Dembski hisself can still wield a mean Bannanator Button ™, and  Another One Bites The Dust...

Alas poor Pixie, we knew him well...

The Pixie

9:39 am
Tribune, there is some ambiguity in both those cases; we do not know for certain why Gonzales failed to get tenure (maybe Iowa State did want anyone associated with anti-science, rather than someone who criticised evolution). Micheal Behe, Granville Sewell and Michael Denton still hold university positions despite their criticisms of evolution.

Larry, why do you think it is the teacher? Do teachers often have to write lines on the blackboard in your experience?

A general comment: Why should we suppose from this cartoon that there is a “Church of the Living Darwin”? Is a rejection of any and all criticism a distinguishing feature of religion?

followed by  this:


William Dembski


11:32 am
Pixie is no longer with us.

Take Home Lesson:  Don't mess with Dr. Dr. Dembski's Cartoons!  

(And was the good DR. reading our earlier thread where we decided that IDCers have NO sense of humor?  Yeah.  Good one Bill.  This will show us all about your sense of humor!)

Date: 2007/06/21 12:48:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 21 2007,12:38)
I thought you guys all lived in caves?

Yeah, It's all made of stone, and we always keep a couple of fires burning , so we call it The Cave:

Date: 2007/06/21 13:27:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ June 21 2007,13:00)

I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.[/quote]
Franky 172 - So, I have to ask why not?

Date: 2007/06/21 13:30:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 21 2007,13:16)
btw, the only time we actually pulled the sharks in the boat was to take blood samples before release.

Was that "bladder release"?

Date: 2007/06/21 14:28:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ June 21 2007,14:03)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 21 2007,13:27)
Quote (franky172 @ June 21 2007,13:00)

I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.
I will not criticize Bill Dembski.

Franky 172 - So, I have to ask why not?

see The Church of the Living Dembski and the bannination of one Pixie[/quote]

I must have had a Fafarman Moment... I thought you were saying :

"I must not criticize Bill Dembski" because you were a member of PETA!  (People For the Ethical Treatment of Asswipes)

I must be taking crazy pills.

Date: 2007/06/21 15:07:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 21 2007,15:00)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 21 2007,14:06)
He's a bad Tard in a small universe, that Dembski.

why is the themesong from "Shaft" playing in my head now?

Who's the number crunching fella
That looks for god in bacterial flagella?
You're damn right

Who is the man
That would risk his cushy Baylor-bible gig?
Can ya dig it?

Who's the cat that will cop out
when the judge asks "witness, what's ID about?"
Right on

You see this cat Dembski says the designer's called..
(Shut your mouth)
Oh yeah, close the big tent.
(Then we can dig it)

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his designer
(Jebus o' the bible)

Richard - Excellent work as usual...

BUT, how does an Englishman, know Shaft well enough to drop in a Dembski at the drop of a hat?

Date: 2007/06/21 21:00:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Tara @ June 21 2007,15:52)
Hey all,

Saw J-dog's mention of the trip over at Aetiology.  I live not too far from Chicago, and I'll be there Aug 2-5 to talk science blogging at YearlyKos...can someone keep me updated about what you decide?  I've been wanting to go see the exhibit anyway...

Tara - That would be unbelievably cool, just two small town ex-Toledoans visiting in the Big City.   This is beginning to sound like a Disney plot...City Mouse and Country Mouse.  Looking at the bright side though, no Lindsey Lohan, and I am willing to bet that the Field Museum, and the Darwin Exhibit will be a lot more fun for you than your recent trip to Flintstone Land.

Date: 2007/06/21 21:13:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 21 2007,19:14)
Why why why steve carell? WHY?

Luckily it's getting HORRIBLE reviews, even from the God Botherers.


Yeah, I certainly expect more from a Daily Show Alum.

He's got a long way to go to get even with "that other Stephen's" truthiness, and Wikipedia elephant entries...

Carrel could have been a contender...

Maybe he just needs a new agent.

Date: 2007/06/21 21:15:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 21 2007,20:43)
ha, got you beat, I'd actually be stepping up if I took on (replaced mine) your current set of assets and debt.

scary, huh?

What?  Have you been studying up on the wrong kind of sharks... .loan sharks?

You need to go council Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan dude.

Hey, it worked for K-Fed.

Date: 2007/06/22 10:36:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (fusilier @ June 22 2007,09:16)
ex-Toledoans?!?!?!?! =B^O

I grew up on the South side, near Heatherdowns and Byrne - went to St. Francis de Sales.  

I can't do first weekend in August, though, we'll be in Boston visiting Daughter #1.

fusilier, trying to remember the old Perrysburg jokes
James 2:24

fusilier - I grew up in the Old West End, and my parent's moved to Byrne & Heatherdowns area when I was in college - where I helped out on an "emergency dig" at Fort Meigs ... nothing like digging up old (1812) burials in a cold rain.  Ah yes, the good old days.  We had a house on Glenwood, and Tara had or has a house on Scotwood.

I had an uncle and cousins that lived on the South Side.

Years ago dude.  Since then, I have lived in Fort Wayne, Milwaukee, Boston and Chicago.

Date: 2007/06/26 11:23:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Wow!  I took a couple days off for a baseball tournament, and next thing you know, all hell breaks loose!  Well at least a little Walt Brown Flood HydroPlate crazy talk....

FTK - even other Creos don't believe Brown's knucklehead
theories.  Read the following link thrashing Brown by an OEC:

Date: 2007/06/26 11:26:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
The bad wording, and bad arguments make me think that this screed was written by DI hack Casey Luskin, not Behe.

Date: 2007/06/26 12:25:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Bob O'H @ June 26 2007,12:04)




9:19 am

Johannes Lerle was not convicted for teaching ID. He was not convicted for comparing abortion to the Holocaust. He was convicted for denying the Holocaust, period. If you actually look at the two web pages which formed the basis of the case against him (and can read German), you’ll learn he called Auschwitz a deception, and questioned whether the gas chambers could have killed so many Jews. Like it or not, that’s a crime in Germany.

Now, if it were me, I wouldn’t want to be seen portraying a Holocaust denier as some kind of Christian martyr, but then I’m not a Christian. In any case, you’ve now been informed of the problem; I’ll be watching to see if you fix it.

Expect to see a sflurry of new posts, now the UDites realise what WmAD's done.


At this very moment, in his secret laboratory, somewhere in the continental US, a lean, bespeckled professor feverishly works his computer to calculate the odds of both his sycophants and dastardly Darwinists believeing him if he pleads "Street Theater" again....

to be continued...

Photo Op courtesy of Paul Flocken Productions

Date: 2007/06/26 12:37:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 25 2007,08:03)
Awesome. I had no idea T-Rex could breathe fire.

Hell, that ain't no damn miracle!  

Hovind and Ham talking out of their butts... and having people actually believe them, now THAT my friends, is the effin miracle!

Date: 2007/06/26 13:39:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 26 2007,13:33)
 have a post on it within days extolling my support for Intelligent Design.

I thought I recognized you... :)

I must be channelling Sal today, and had to try out a little quote mining.  Wow This is easy!

Date: 2007/06/26 13:47:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ June 26 2007,13:41)
It didn't occur to anyone to archive the post in case it was deleted?

25 June 2007
Teaching ID = A crime against humanity
William Dembski

Last week I reported on the Council of Europe denouncing ID as a threat to democracy (go here). I also asked how long it would be before advocating ID in Europe would be regarded as a hate-crime. We may have to wait no longer:
Secularist Europe Silences Pro-Lifers and Creationists
From the desk of Paul Belien on Sat, 2007-06-23 18:53

Last week, a German court sentenced a 55-year old Lutheran pastor to one year in jail for “Volksverhetzung” (incitement of the people) because he compared the killing of the unborn in contemporary Germany to the holocaust. Next week, the Council of Europe is going to vote on a resolution imposing Darwinism as Europe’s official ideology. The European governments are asked to fight the expression of creationist opinions, such as young earth and intelligent design theories. According to the Council of Europe these theories are “undemocratic” and “a threat to human rights.” . . .


Archive the post?

I think we should quarentine the post.

This Tard is off the scale - innocent people may stumble accross it and also become infected with poor reading and comprehension skillz.

Date: 2007/06/26 15:10:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
All right then, you cheeky buggers.  Let's cannonize them all straightaway.  

Meanwhile, back on target, the link is a metaphor I believe for Behe and his crowd getting Pwned by us here.  I get to be John Cleese!  And yes, that isBehe falling on his bum!

Ahem.  Louis, Richard & Assorted Brits:  - Please read and edit where applicable. Thanks awfully.

Date: 2007/06/26 15:16:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (hooligans @ June 26 2007,15:01)
The wages of fanaticism is imprisonment.
Or banishment to a small no-account Baptist seminary and a low-hit  highly moderated blog filled with sycophantic posters.

Something tells me though that Dr. Dr. Bill secretly envies "Dr. Dino" his suffering For Jesus, I mean The Designer.

Date: 2007/06/26 15:27:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 26 2007,15:18)
meh, I see the creos identifying the "masters" as darwinists and the beleaguered students as themselves.

creo motto number 3:

Never, EVER, pass up the opportunity to play the victim.

IOW, they would be more than happy to co-opt this to portray themselves as victims to the evil darwinists.


Are you saying we shouldn't trip them up then?

Oh, do come on now!  Not even once?  Let's have fun and let them enjoy playing the victim, just like their Lord & Savior on the cross!  

"Hey Peter, I can see your house from up here!" - JC or Brian, I forget who said it.

Date: 2007/06/26 20:48:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Winner of PZ Myers'  June Molly Award.  
Second Award for an ATBC Poster -  
with Kristine winning the First Molly ever.

What more can we say?  Just more proof that the Smartest, Sexiest Bloggers in The Entire World Post here.
(No, sorry, not you VMartin, or AFDave)

Oh.  And gosh darn it, people like us.

Date: 2007/06/26 21:02:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
"Flesh Gordon"...

You have all heard of Flash Gordon I presume?  Well, what would a soft-porn comedy director call an-in-space movie?

Yep!  The rocket ship design was hard to miss, if you know what I mean...

Date: 2007/06/26 21:17:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
You can't beat Google for the start of a nice little research project on Walt "Call Me Crazy" Brown.

If you follow the links, you will see lots of previously researched work to refute the Brown's Crazy Claims™.

or here:

HTH :)

Date: 2007/06/27 10:53:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (nuytsia @ June 27 2007,07:00)
This is pretty cool.
Big, long billed and living in warm waters.

The fossilised remains of the animal, which lived some 36 million years ago, were found in what is today Peru.
At 1.5m (5ft) tall, the penguin looked quite different from its modern-day cousins, a report in PNAS journal says.

From the BBC site. Couple of other sites report this as well.
Article from the Guardian here.

Worse headline perhaps from USAToday
Giant penguins once roamed prehistoric Peru

Paddled perhaps?

Yeah... I don't think the USA today writer gets it... Something about their plan was bad, all those calls to the Antarctic had roaming charges, so that's why they went extinct... Their bills were too big.

Yes.  Those roaming charges will kill you.

Date: 2007/06/27 12:18:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 27 2007,11:53)
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 27 2007,08:06)
Quote (Kristine @ June 27 2007,07:37)
Well, I don't want to be an offensive fustilarian niggler, but there's a great big material America-hating anti-Bush flood bearing down on the Austin and central Texas area right now..

While the whole Oklahoma-Texas area has had an unusually wet year (*), I think the worst flooding is in the North Texas area.  Not to say that Austin and the Hill Country aren't getting soaked, but the DFW area seems to be getting the worst.

Update:  The central Texas area is getting pounded today, including counties just north of Austin.

I can't help but contrast this with last summer when all of Texas, save Houston and Corpus Christi, seemed completely brown.  That reminded me of this.  Perhaps someone should contact WorldNetDaily and ask for a Day of Prayer and Fasting for Not Rain.

No.  You are wrong.  God spoke to me in a dream and said the Baby Jesus is pissed.  He will only ease off TX if he gets the head of Tom Delay on a plate.  He said it doesn't have to be a plate from Nieman Marcus though; a plate from Kmart or Target would be okay.

HTH   :)

Date: 2007/06/27 12:21:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 27 2007,12:07)
Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,11:24)
SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence    
Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

I just submitted a post to her about this... gave her the Dawkins quote about all people are atheists about all other gods except their own - atheists just take it one step further.  I wonder if she will let it through moderation?

Date: 2007/06/27 12:29:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 27 2007,11:51)
Holy Shit

currator asks:
What do you think evidence of Common Descent in the fossil record would look like?

Truthfully I wouldn't expect to see Common Descent in the fossil record. That is because not everything that has lived and died was fossilized.

I think it is silly to use the fossil record for anything except to show what was around at some time in the past.

Talk about shooting oneself in the foot. Joe just effectively argued for the fact that there are not transitional fossils for every single stage of evolution.

Didn't someone say that he lives in his parent's basement?  

Well, at least he's out of the gene pool, -  that can't be good for getting lucky!

At least we won't have to track him down and sterilize him after we materialists win our war on Christians and imprison him with all the IDists like Dembksi.

JOE G IS STUPID is genius BTW... Remember to use your power only for good, never evil.

Date: 2007/06/27 12:31:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 27 2007,12:25)
That's interesting....Your comment has made it through, yet mine was even more polite, and yet it's yet to appear.

Women love cavemen.  What can I say dude.

Date: 2007/06/27 12:53:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 27 2007,12:36)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 27 2007,12:07)
Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,11:24)
SFtk isn't around because she's trying to find he most ridiculously unsupported and inane thing she could possibly say this week.

Oh, she found it.

Yeah, I saw that blog post earlier today. I love this sentence      
Atheism intrigues me to no end. It is the single most illogical conclusion about life that one can every succumb to, IMHO.

I guess we all just don't understand how logical it is to believe in a deity whom you can't detect, who instructed ancient followers to build an ark that could contain dinosaurs, whales and great white sharks, and who apparently decided that the best solution for the humans who disobeyed him would be to have them torture and kill his incarnate son. That all seems eminently logical to me...

What I always wonder, and ask people like FTK, is that why god seems to have stopped. I mean, he came along burnt some bushes, did a bit of re-decorating (teh flud) and then, 2k odd years ago just stopped. Nothing else. From hero to zero. Why?
All this action (to the point of killing all but 8 people on the planet and appearing in person at times) and then nothing at all. If you are going to be a planetary overlord then just disappearing for thousands of years is just not on!

Can't be anything to do with the general level of development can it? I mean, if you lived and died in the same 5 square miles in muddy poverty (or it's worldwide equivlient) who knows what happens thousands of miles away. Could be anything at all.

nah, just chance.

Yeah.  It's totally illogical.  Only people that can't shake their initial indoctrination really believe.  Sad really.

BTW - I have to leave early - my son has baseball gamesn till late tonight, so you can all please feel free to reply to my latest post to FTK - It hasn't made it through moderation yet, but I hate to see a good opportunity go to waste.

I also let her know I will be out, so whatever.

Date: 2007/06/27 12:58:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Gunthernacus @ June 27 2007,12:54)
Empire of Ants

I caught this one late at night after a good bit of drinking.  It was a typical can't-look-away-from-the-wreck situation.  Radio active waste pollutes the Everglades where Joan Collins is selling scam real estate.  Ants become enormous by eating radioactive sugar at a sugar cane processing plant.  In the final scene, the good guys are escaping by boat.  One of the heroes, who'd gotten pretty beat up including a bum leg, is the last to get to the boat.  As he scampered/skipped/shuffled along the long wooden boat dock as fast as his bad leg would allow - I kept hoping he would trip and go asshole over tea kettle as the credits roll to a cheesy laugh track.  But no, they all get away safely.

The producers were probably hoping for a sequel.  Empire Of The Uncles.

Date: 2007/06/27 13:04:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Talk about fortuitous!  I just caught this post at Science Blogs! -  I think I have enough time to send this to FTK too... we'll see what happens.

Olympian Jonathon Edwards Now an Atheist
Category: Hootworthy
Posted on: June 27, 2007 11:57 AM, by Jim Fiore

UK gold medalist in the triple jump, Jonathon Edwards, long known for his wear-it-on-your-sleeve Christianity, has admitted to apostasy. Here is an article in The Times Online. It's a good read. Here's an out take:

Once you start asking yourself questions like, 'How do I really know there is a God?' you are already on the path to unbelief," Edwards says. "During my documentary on St Paul, some experts raised the possibility that his spectacular conversion on the road to Damascus might have been caused by an epileptic fit. It made me realise that I had taken things for granted that were taught to me as a child without subjecting them to any kind of analysis. When you think about it rationally, it does seem incredibly improbable that there is a God.
At one point, Edwards refused to participate on Sundays, missing the 1991 World Championships in Tokyo. Now Mr. Edwards claims "I have never been happier."

Date: 2007/06/28 09:48:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Jesus H Effing Christ dude!  I go toa ball game, and come back and the whole woprld comes crashing doiwn!?


But seriously, I too think you'll miss us all and you WILL be back.  So enjoy your vacation, we'll keep a brick for you to throw handy for when you might need it.

Date: 2007/06/28 11:12:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 28 2007,11:05)
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 28 2007,08:26)
Looks like Mrs. Dino is to be sentenced tomorrow. I honestly don't care if she gets actual time or not. I do not think she was a duped wife who had no idea what was going on however it's pretty obvious that Mr. Hovind was the ringleader and held a pretty strong sway over his whole family.

Either way. If she gets time, fine, I'll trust the court. If she doesn't, same, she's still a convicted felon.

Check out the whining on the CSE Blog

The post about her sentencing ends with  
To those who have been praying, the CSE Team express our deepest appreciation.

and I couldn't resist adding a comment:
I've been praying that Mrs. Hovind gets twenty years, so I'm glad you're down with it.

So you're going the God Is Good route and only giving her 20 years....

I'm thinking more Old Testament God, and she must sacrifice a first-born.  Maybe telling the judge that he is a spawn of Satan, and see how that goes over.  :)

Now if I can just find a virgin to sacrifice somewhere...

Date: 2007/06/28 11:26:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (BWE @ June 28 2007,11:14)
don't waste a perfectly good virgin!

Yes, absolutely right.  Why waste a perfectly good virgin on a Hovind! What was I thinking?

What about a public apology from Dembski, and a tearful admission that he has been doing it all for the money?

Date: 2007/06/28 14:17:33, Link
Author: J-Dog
Erasmus - Please report to Stockholm at your earliest convenience to collect your Noble Prize for discovering a new type of primate that is unbelievably stupid,  Homo Creationistus Cheryl D.

Date: 2007/06/28 15:34:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2007,15:14)
Quote (dhogaza @ June 28 2007,13:58)
William Dembski
Hermagoras is no longer with us.

What did I say? What did I say? I MADE A TESTABLE HYPOTHESIS!!! :) "Played you like a violin," UDuderators!

Kristine - Shimmies For You - You called it!  Hermagoras was WAY to smart and educated to last over there.

Just remember to use your power only for good, never evil.

Date: 2007/06/29 10:04:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2007,16:22)
Anyway let's all wear our "I'm with the banned" buttons. ;)

I'm down with that - Early Aug, right?

Date: 2007/06/29 20:06:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Where's Judge Roy Bean when you need him?  I think Kristine is right; Jo's so all Boo Hoo, I'm sorry, let me out! And the Judge is saying okay you can get off easy cuz you were stuuuupid.

Looking at the bright side, there will only be 1 year's worth of emails about God's conversations with Jo.

Date: 2007/06/29 20:36:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:58)
All rugby players on the other hand....

Hey now!  My daughter's a Rugby player, and she will kick your behind for making fun of Rugby Players!  :)

Happy BD!

Date: 2007/07/01 21:19:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
The Richness of Life - The Essential Stephen Jay Gould, edited by Steven Rose.  This is a "best of" compendium, and excellent, but I have always liked Gould.  4 page essays to 20 + pages, and all Gould's excellent, readable prose.

Date: 2007/07/02 08:48:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Can I start out as a lackey, and work my way up to minion?  Is there a paid training program?  How are the benefits?

ps:  I do say "NO" however to starting as a lickspittle.

Date: 2007/07/02 09:09:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Guest @ June 30 2007,21:02)
    Since we happened this way, surely, there are others out there.  

    We can't possibly be the most advanced, are we??  Surely, other older solar systems have created intelligent life, then.  

And don't call me Shirley!

If you don't get this comment, I suggest you do some 10th grade research.

Date: 2007/07/02 09:19:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ July 02 2007,08:54)

I'm afraid we only have an opening for toady at best. Granted you are more qualified than the lickspittle entry level requires, but are you toady material? Have you got the required fawning sycophancy diplomas? The toady level is no easy start for any minion, you are required to be able to be instantly obsequious and demonstrate a grovelling servility that would give a chastised Edwardian butler pause.

Perhaps we could find some space for you at the peon grade.

Louis (AtBC Head of Minion Recruitment)


I have always admired the exquisite beauty,  appropriatness and intelligence inherent is all your posts.  It's not often that someone of your perspicacity graces a board like this, and I am sure that I can speak for all of us here, that we are all so extremely fortunate to bathe in the reflected glow of your wit and wisdom.

I would certainly like to apply for the toady position, if you think I have the qualifications, Your Worthyiness.

Most respectfully and worshipfully yours,

Toady Applicant Extrordinaire

ps:  Please don't turn me down and force me to go to UD, where my extreme toadiness would pale and only be like a popped pimple on DaveScot, Sal and the other UD Minions Big Toady Butts.

Date: 2007/07/02 09:30:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ June 29 2007,21:09)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 29 2007,09:04)
Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2007,16:22)
Anyway let's all wear our "I'm with the banned" buttons. ;)

I'm down with that - Early Aug, right?

August 2? :)

Aug 2 is a Thursday - I was thinking weekend, like Saturday Aug 4, or Sunday Aug 5...

Date: 2007/07/02 13:11:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 02 2007,13:06)
I would like to be a toady!

Providing the post came with the = jumping ability. I am sure I could make a good income with froglike jumping skills. The fly-catching tongue would be bound to make me more popular with women too. :D

Stephen - What an excellent post, just like all your posts!  Unlike some of the OTHER posters here, I think you will be awarded your Pullitzer and Noble prizes very soon!

Date: 2007/07/02 13:16:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 02 2007,13:07)

Richard - What an excllent post!  Well up tothe outstanding posting record that you have established here at ATBC, where we have THE FINEST and BESTEST POSTERS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!

However, wouldn't your latest piece of Graphic Excellence  make more sense if the faces were reversed?
I am sure Dr. Dr. Bill views himself as godlike, and hisminions and lackeys as question marks...

Date: 2007/07/02 13:18:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (phonon @ July 02 2007,10:12)
That totally reminds me of this.

This is a totally bogus chart!  It doesn't even have space allocated for minions, toadies or even lackeys!

Date: 2007/07/02 13:41:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 02 2007,13:22)

You should change the topic title to "Anne Coulter explained."

That's a LOT of FUGLY in one package, and I am sure it is just part of Our Loving God's Plan that the jackass and pig that mated to produce her aren't admitting it either.

So the article explains how within a normal population, certain cullies like Anne are produced.

Date: 2007/07/02 14:14:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Hermagoras @ July 02 2007,13:56)
MaxAug at UD:
If it is not too much offensive, can i ask what is Dr. Lennox Christian theological background (romanist? biblical Christian?)?

To which Tedsomebody:
A ‘romanist’?
Oh, you mean a Catholic. If he is, he probably has the beliefs that were in place with the original Church. Go read some Eusebius.

Discussions of Romanism and Popery to be followed by highly scientific disquisitions on heresy and inerrancy.  Dembski will quiet the fight by saying all will be resolved in a forthcoming book.

Hermagoras - Good catch!  Of course you have spoiled us now, and we expect ALL your posts to be of this Outstanding quality.  

BTW - I'm thinking that this is all leading up to a Dembski / O'Leary ID Vacation Package, that is designed to travel around the world "solving" problems... a Diet of Worms, Council of Trent and Nicea.  Hereseys and heretics will be dealt with.  Charming Sites of The Spanish Inquisitions will be re-visited.  

Sign up now, seats are filling up fast... Entire 2 week package, including all the blather you can stomach from Dr. Bill and Denyse only $3,500 per person.

(No.  The Galapagos are NOT on the agenda)

Date: 2007/07/02 15:42:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 02 2007,15:35)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 02 2007,13:42)
Am I the only one at ATBC who doesn't really like Princess Bride?

[cringes under anticipated hail of bottles and rotten fruit] :O



Date: 2007/07/02 21:17:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Jeez Steve, I'm sorry.  Now I feel all cheap and tawdry.
You wanted high-brow, and I went Three Stooges.

So, I'll have another beer, and get Lenny's date Anne another vinegar and water.

And be quick about it my good man!

Date: 2007/07/03 08:27:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 02 2007,22:18)
It's conclusive proof that Bush is a traitor to the rule of law in this country, in my book. I understand that Keith Olbermann will call for the President's resignation tomorrow night.

Bush is just saying he and his administration is above the law.  How did that turn out for Nixon?

Okay, so I'm an optimist.

I love Olberman. (Only in a totally manly, way of course!)

So, will Bush get Worst Person In The World Award tonight, and Libbey The Worser Person Award?  And couldn't Cheney pick up The Worst Person In The World Award pretty much every night?  

Ian and Louis... Milkman?

Date: 2007/07/03 08:34:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 03 2007,07:29)
Quote (Doc Bill @ July 03 2007,07:16)
I dropped this comment on UD last night.  This morning it has evaporated:

Chemistry and math?

Hannah Maxson, Cornell.

Prez of the ID Club.

Good choice.

I thought it was a good guess since they were being so secretive.  Ohhhh, don't want to ruin the student's career having accepted a whole $100 from the Disco Institute.

At least Hannah could use the coin to buy a real science book.

But Hannah has already been outed; there is no reason to keep her identity secret.

Unless, of course, they just can't help themselves. After all, they kept the identity of the designer secret for a while too...

Steven Chen?  The "Power" behind the Underwhelming Evidence blog?  Thanks to his leadershhip and scholarship that blistering blog pace of 1 comment per week throughout the months of May and June is going to be hard to live up to, hence the reward and secret recognition.

Date: 2007/07/03 09:21:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (fusilier @ July 03 2007,08:03)
If the 4th/5th is the date, I'm out - we'll be in Boston, as I mentioned above.

J-Dog and Tara will have to hoist a virtual bottle of Buckeye for me.

"Virtual' since I think they stopped making that stuff during Nixon's second election campaign, when Ohio dropped  the 3.2% rule for 18-20 year-olds.

James 2:24

Fusilier -  Thanks for the Buckeye memory - I went through college with that 3.2% crap...

re:  Date Of Meet - IMO, it is RICHARD HUGHEScall, as he is the one that suggested it originally.  I was only giving mypreferred dates, so I'm thinking we need to wait for the Prime Mover to give the Prime Directive, right?

Date: 2007/07/03 09:36:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Per Ed Brayton at ScienceBlogs, there is nothing in the US Constitution that gives him permission to do this.  Very interesting.

Date: 2007/07/03 10:39:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 03 2007,09:49)
Quote (J-Dog @ July 03 2007,09:36)
Per Ed Brayton at ScienceBlogs, there is nothing in the US Constitution that gives him permission to do this.  Very interesting.

Ed is talking about executive privilege, which really has nothing to do with the power of the President to issue pardons and reprieves.  The latter power is codified in Article II, Section 2 of the Constitution.

Thank you Carlsonjok - and my education continues!  (Please don't send me a bill for Constitutional Law 101 though!)

Date: 2007/07/03 12:34:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 03 2007,11:48)
What was wrong with Callaghan?

Harry Callahan: I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

Date: 2007/07/03 14:37:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 03 2007,14:30)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 03 2007,14:08)
Not sure what to say. So a desk driving political employee is considered worth more than someone who actually does risk their life in service to country?

I don't think the comparison you are making is the correct one.  Libby isn't the show here and I have a hard time sharing everyone's indignation at the decision to commute his sentence.  To be sure, it is a crime that he lied to a grand jury and he was probably complicit in the underlying crime of outing Valerie Plame in the first place. But, it is my opinion that Libby is basically a useful idiot, a fall guy.  The real problem children in this whole sordid affair are Cheney and, most likely, Karl Rove.  So, it wasn't a matter of trading off Plame for Libby.  Rather, Plame "had" to be outed to shore up the edifice of the Administrations justification for going into Iraq.  Libby was a tool of the adminstrations policy and a sacrifice to the special prosecutor.

The commutation of his sentence was, as I have heard it described, the way to shield him from punishment, but keeping the conviction on the books so that, if hauled before Congress, he can still invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege not to testify against himself (and, by extension, his bosses.)  Sweet little deal.

Damn.  For a talking horse head, you sure do make a lot of sense. And if you talked out of your other end you'd be the one granting the pardon, I mean commuting the sentence?

Date: 2007/07/03 20:11:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Jasper @ July 03 2007,17:45)
I'd love to spend two hours photoshopping that into The Tard Bomb, with Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Rev Dr Fuhrer Dr Dembski leering over a reclined morphodyke celebrated journalist Denyse O'Leary...

Simply ask and you shall receive:

Jasper - Outstanding!  

Ah Chief... just one little thing... Densyse O'Leary is not quite as hawt as the "lab assistant" you have pictured.

Where "not quite as hawt" = butt ugly, double, no triple  bag ugly

Date: 2007/07/03 20:13:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ July 03 2007,19:38)
Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,21:55)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 03 2007,15:37)
Quote (stevestory @ July 03 2007,11:31)

Not good...


Well, it fulfills some of the major food groups, which IIRC, are Fried, Spicy, Sweet, Pizza, and Booze.

You've missed out burnt crispy bits. NEVER skimp on burnt crispy bits, it can adversely affect your health.

Louis (Surgeon General of Deep Fried Mars Bars)

Deep Fried Mars Bars??!!??

Date: 2007/07/03 20:18:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (blipey @ July 03 2007,18:25)
A little more evidence that Ftk hasn't listened to anything anyone has said in quite sometime.  Nor has she really thought about anything in at least that long.

On Ken Ham

Now, I'm not really condoning the use of the handicapped in your digs at Ham, but I don't really think the demeaning of the handicapped is what's going on here.

Ftk, in her OP continues to say things like "atheist morality".  She's completely daft.

She missed the smallprint disclaimer:

No actual creationists were harmed in the making of this post

I would remind her of this and that arguabley Ham is doing real harm to people, but judging from the tone of her post, we would have an Atomic Event in KS if I did.

I have been married long enough to know when NOT to tell her the new dress is less than flattering! :)

Date: 2007/07/05 10:14:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (khan @ July 05 2007,09:32)
Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2007,07:47)
Infinite-energy theory challenges materialist thermodynamics dogma

Ask a materialist if an infinitely powerful entity is possible, and they will give you a "No!", without even bothering to consider the question for a moment. The materialist understanding of the laws of thermodynamics exclude any understanding of systems that have infinite energy. Unfortunately for materialists, their understanding of these basic scientific principles is about to receive a major challenge.

Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe, the two boffins behind Steorn Research unveiled their latest gizmo: The Orbo, a magnetic engine which according to carefully controlled experiments can produce up to three times as much energy as is put into it,effectively creating an infinite amount of energy from apparently nowhere.

Steorn's findings totally undermine the basic premise of materialism, simply by demonstrating a confirmed physical effect that materialists predict cannot happen. These clever Irish researchers have demonstrated that the principles of thermodynamics function in a manner far closer to the predictions of William Dembski and William Brookfield than the clearly flawed thermodynamic claims of Hawkings and Maxwell.

The same scientists who tell you that Intelligent Design is impossible also dispute the hard-facts of Steorn's peer-reviewed findings. I predict that this humble contraption will show the world just how much materialists have misled mainstream-science.


Helena B
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Perpetual Motion Machines?

Good grief!

I predict that DaveScot and Dembski will be Big Backers of this - it's right up their alley.

Date: 2007/07/05 10:28:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 05 2007,09:06)
See here. The whole page is sort of a who's-who of creationist internet trolls.

Did everyone catch the last name on PZ's list?  Bothering his teen-age daughter?

Date: 2007/07/05 11:05:47, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2007,10:57)
Can't you see FtK sitting around the house, hysterically overreacting to everything, until finally her daughter looks at her husband, and her husband says "Hey, honey, I wonder what those wicked evolutionists are up to?" And she runs off to the computer room and spends the next 5 hours there while her family gets a much-needed break.

Steve- Sounds like a Made-For TV Movie Of The Week!

You need to get this to Hollywood ASAP dude.

Date: 2007/07/05 11:12:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 05 2007,10:57)
Quote (khan @ July 05 2007,09:32)
Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2007,07:47)
Infinite-energy theory challenges materialist thermodynamics dogma

Ask a materialist if an infinitely powerful entity is possible, and they will give you a "No!", without even bothering to consider the question for a moment. The materialist understanding of the laws of thermodynamics exclude any understanding of systems that have infinite energy. Unfortunately for materialists, their understanding of these basic scientific principles is about to receive a major challenge.

Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe, the two boffins behind Steorn Research unveiled their latest gizmo: The Orbo, a magnetic engine which according to carefully controlled experiments can produce up to three times as much energy as is put into it,effectively creating an infinite amount of energy from apparently nowhere.

Steorn's findings totally undermine the basic premise of materialism, simply by demonstrating a confirmed physical effect that materialists predict cannot happen. These clever Irish researchers have demonstrated that the principles of thermodynamics function in a manner far closer to the predictions of William Dembski and William Brookfield than the clearly flawed thermodynamic claims of Hawkings and Maxwell.

The same scientists who tell you that Intelligent Design is impossible also dispute the hard-facts of Steorn's peer-reviewed findings. I predict that this humble contraption will show the world just how much materialists have misled mainstream-science.


Helena B
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Perpetual Motion Machines?

Good grief!

From the website of the demo for the machine..

Important update on the Kinetica demo:

We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London. Our initial assessment indicates that this is probably due to the intense heat from the camera lighting. We have commenced a technical assessment and will provide an update later today. As a consequence, Kinetica will not be open to the public today (5th July). We apologise for this delay and appreciate your patience.


So, Louis, how far is London from you?  You ah, wouldn't like to maybe make a trip, an on-site inspection for us maybe?

Or just catch it on The Telly, and report back?

After all the article does say they are "boffins", and I believe that is in your balliwick, right?

Date: 2007/07/05 11:15:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Shouldn't Dr. Dr. Dembski have already turned this guy over to Homeland Security by now?

Date: 2007/07/05 12:51:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 05 2007,12:45)
When you really analyze them, most of the strongest arguments against ID as an explanation for the development of life are of the form: “this just doesn’t look like the way God would have created things.” Perhaps not, but we are finding more and more that it does look very much like the way “we” design things.

(a) you mean badly, don't you?
(b) So, who are you suggesting is the designer?

P.S. Rich - a belated happy birthday!  It's your fault I'm late with this - you picked the wrong day to pop out.

OOPS - Yes, sorry Richard.  Happy Birthday to you - hope you got everything you wanted.  I read all baout hte happy event as I was catching up, but forgot to advance best wishes and all that.

You can always feel good that YOUR birthday is the day that daveScot WISHES was HIS birthday.

Date: 2007/07/05 12:58:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 05 2007,12:54)
Quote (J-Dog @ July 05 2007,12:51)
You can always feel good that YOUR birthday is the day that daveScot WISHES was HIS birthday.

He secretly wants to be born on Christmas Day.

And die on a Good Friday?  *

Date: 2007/07/06 10:31:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (steve_h @ July 05 2007,18:55)
In my previous post, I cited a Miami Herald article that refers to “The National Center for Science Education, a pro-science watchdog group.” For the real pro-science watchdog group, check out the following links:
That’s right. I own those domain names

Curses! is already taken! How will my inane ramblings ever become respectable science if things continue as they are!!
and !

Dear Dr. Dembski - You will be happy to note that however, is NOT taken!  How perfect is THAT for you?!  It's as if it were designed for you!

Date: 2007/07/06 10:54:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 06 2007,10:18)
Crux was the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... gone.

Salvo is the mod, rad, hip, with-it thing... yeah, right.

Kids today may have their problems, but sniffing out phonyism isn't generally one of them.

All us nay-saying darwinist materialist scum should just remember :  You can't spell


Date: 2007/07/06 12:58:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2007,12:44)
“You’re pretty!” I flattered a chubby young woman working behind the gift shop register. “I’m gooo-ing to take you as my wife – that’s what it says in the Bible!”

“That’s right, Dougie,” Bunting encouraged. “It’s in Deuteronomy.”

“Dooooteronomies!” I screamed, excited by the prospect of bedding a good Christian girl—possibly in the bathroom. I winked at her, but she didn’t seem ready to ride the Dougie Express. She blushed uncomfortably. We pushed on.

Yeah!  This really got your girlfriend FTK pissed off!  For some reasons she thinks they were making fun of retards, I mean the developmentally challenged, NOT Ham and his loving Creo Crowd!

Evidently she wants to limbo with us, cuz she wants to know how low can we go?

Even if I had a son/daughter that WAS mentally challenged, I don't think I would be down on Dougie and his minder... IMO the target WAS and IS Ham and his minions & lickspittles, NOT the developmentally challenged.

Of course, if you accept that Ham and His Creos are challenged, then you might have a point of discussion, but I don't think FTK wants to go there.


Date: 2007/07/06 14:28:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Steverino @ July 06 2007,14:13)
Hey, a parody magazine...from ID....isn't that kind of an oxymoron?....Any who, I have a photo submission.

This one still cracks me up

Oh, maybe not.....

This is perfect for their cover... who knew JC was such a "with-it kind of guy"... does this mean that Creos have to like totally change their anti-gay thing now that Jeebus is so "down wit Teh Gays?"

Date: 2007/07/06 14:58:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2007,14:46)
This is exciting!  :)

Good luck, Wes.

Will The Professor finally get off the Island, despite the well-meaning yet flawed, best efforts of Gilligan?

Could this really be the long-sought-after, seldom found mythical "Happy Ending"?  Well, maybe except for the "perp".  Me and DaveScot LOVE this tough cop talk. :)

Congrats for cracking the case Dr.

Date: 2007/07/06 15:04:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Steverino @ July 06 2007,14:38) an aside, you profile image is my fav TV marketing campaign.  They guy who plays the caveman as absolutely fantastic!

Yeah, thanks - I thought so too.  Glad I grabbed him before all the other cave-man wannabe's could.  But I'm still waiting for Raquel...

Date: 2007/07/06 15:08:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2007,14:42)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 06 2007,14:37)

As I recall from the last time I taught verterbrate bio, the largest flying bird is the Kori Bustard.

Excellent. Hopefully next time I need this trivia, I will recall it correctly.

Is there an equation for the maximum size of a bird?*

*From the folks that brought you "Will there ever be a boy born who can swim faster than a shark"

Yeah... He's on the cover of Salvo, the new Christian, I mean ID Magazine.

Date: 2007/07/09 08:37:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 08 2007,19:03)
Quote (J-Dog @ July 03 2007,09:21)
Quote (fusilier @ July 03 2007,08:03)
If the 4th/5th is the date, I'm out - we'll be in Boston, as I mentioned above.

J-Dog and Tara will have to hoist a virtual bottle of Buckeye for me.

"Virtual' since I think they stopped making that stuff during Nixon's second election campaign, when Ohio dropped  the 3.2% rule for 18-20 year-olds.

James 2:24

Fusilier -  Thanks for the Buckeye memory - I went through college with that 3.2% crap...

re:  Date Of Meet - IMO, it is RICHARD HUGHEScall, as he is the one that suggested it originally.  I was only giving mypreferred dates, so I'm thinking we need to wait for the Prime Mover to give the Prime Directive, right?

J Dog, you can take the lead, my friend.

No, no, no!  It was YOUR idea, please consider me just a follower in this situation.  Don't make me declare an "Un-Revolution" and make you Brits take back the country....

Date: 2007/07/09 08:44:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 06 2007,22:44)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 04 2007,22:17)
Quote (Kristine @ July 04 2007,19:58)
We made veggie dogs. *Ducks*

Okay, I'm not as kewl as Rev. Chimpy! But I gotta save room for the tequila and beer.

Veggie dogs and then tequila? Are you some kind of furriner? Because that is un-American, especially on this the most American of holidays.

Now if you want a good hot dog, try these.  They generally can't be found in groceries outside Upstate NY, but you can get them shipped.  $5.49 is expensive for a pack of hot dogs, and that is before shipping.  But, they are so worth it.  Best hot dogs evah!!

I had strip steaks with a cumin rub and garlic-cilantro sauce, spinach salad, and Boulevard Bully Porter.

Doncha know? I'm from Mars. :) John is from Venus. He bought the veggie dogs.

He's not into much meat so when I buy brats and kielbasa (our local grocer makes his own - mmmmmm) they're all for me!

I gotta try me some of those red pop open hot doggies. Thx!

Kristine - Are you sure that dogs are vegitarians?

(See, cuz you said "veggie dogs"...haha)   Oh, never mind.  I hope everybody had fun though!

Date: 2007/07/09 13:29:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
I'm not sure if this deserves it's own topic, but thanks to Red State Rabble for the heads up on the ICR blasting the DI (and hence Dr. Dr. Dembski & his lickspittles).

Are Dembski, DaveScot and Denyse feverishly working on damage control to protect their source of funding from their followers?

Oh.  Wait.  Never mind, I forgot.  ID is not about religion so it won't matter to Jehu et al!

Date: 2007/07/10 09:06:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ July 10 2007,09:02)
Is it starting to become clearer?

Clearer that crandaddy is a pedantic, pseudointellectual, pompous ass who should burn his thesaurus?  Crystal clear.

Wittingly....or Unwittingly?  

Date: 2007/07/10 10:10:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Would it also be worthwhile to send an "invite" to Casey Luskin?

What about an Open House invite to any and/or all IDC clubs?  

And what would an Open House invite from us to them say?

My rough draft of an Invite Letter:

"Hi there!  
Tired of that same old blather on your Christian Evolution Discussion Board?  Sick of all your honest questions getting "stuck in moderation"?  Are you totally tired of trying to make sense of a non-working EF?  Can't find a real IC anywhere?

Well, come on in to visit ATBC!  Our posters are honest, smart and the best anywhere!  

I represent ATBC, a discussion board that actually allows the free back and forth exchange of ideas about evolution and Inteligent Design.  Unlike many, I mean most, actully ALL Intelligent Design and creationist discussion boards, comments are not moderated for content!

In other words, a poster can actually disagree with another poster and not get his comment "disappeared"!

If you would like to exchange ideas, rather than just regurgitate the party line, please stop by ATBC.  We would like to visit with you.  From Exotic Belly Dancers to Fancy-Talking Brits, our posters are standing by, just waiting to talk to you!  

What are you waiting for -

Date: 2007/07/10 10:41:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2007,10:25)
Heaven: Where cooks are French, mechanics are German, police are English, lovers are Italian and everything is organized by the Swiss.    

Hell: Where cooks are English, mechanics are French, police are Germans, lovers are Swiss and everything is organized by the Italians.

Are the Swiss really that bad in the sack? Toblerone, anyone?

I thought it was the Damned Dutch we had to watch out for...

Date: 2007/07/10 10:42:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 10 2007,10:36)
I find this from Larry Farfaraway to be an interesting comment.

ID is at worst bad science or pseudoscience.

Surely he meant to say something else?

I am sure he meant to say "ID is at best bad science or pseudoscience."


Date: 2007/07/10 11:27:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Is it too obsequious to say I think everybody here except Heddle is smart, interesting, and well worth the price of admission?

Date: 2007/07/10 12:16:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
What about a special shout-out to Louis - always a well-written, and often an outre, yet inspired perspective.

Date: 2007/07/10 12:17:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 09 2007,19:42)
Oh, ferpitysake... ;)

How about August 4, then? I can't make the 11...and I shouldn't skip the 25 (my Mom and my sis's birthday) yet again this year...


Date: 2007/07/10 14:02:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 10 2007,13:44)
I am sure they could have found her a place in another program at SWBTS.


Date: 2007/07/10 14:05:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2007,13:45)
14. You are the head of a PR company in Seattle. You have $4 million a year to try to promote Science X. In 20 years Science X has solved no problems, performed no experiments, and generated neither hypotheses nor interest from serious researchers. You don't even bother to publish your fake journal anymore. Virtually all scientists say Science X is an enormous pantload and obviously fraudulent. Despite all this, a small percentage of zealous nitwits believe in Science X and buy your books and attend your fake conferences. Explain, in 300 words, whether you should get leather or fabric interior for your new Jaguar.
You've made me pee my pants.  :angry:

No, THIS is the funniest post of the day!

Date: 2007/07/10 14:07:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ July 10 2007,13:34)
Hmmm 100 million a year to make christianity a credible worldview?

Hasn't anyone told Dembski you can't polish a turd?

That aside, if I got past the first strip club and Ferrari dealership with that money I'd be impressed. There is actually a serious point here: Charity begins at home. Saving souls is an act of charity. People tempted by the evils of materialism and sexual perversion are the most in danger of hellfire. Therefore I would preach to strippers and supercar salesmen (perhaps I would think Jesus mind control thoughts at them) whilst I held their attention by buying their wares and services.


It is NOT immoral!


Where do I sign up to be a preacher for THIS religion?

I most humbly beg that I be allowed to help out the poor strippers... I sometimes think I just care tooo much, but I'm willing to give them all I have got...

Date: 2007/07/11 10:48:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (deejay @ July 11 2007,10:34)
On the Thumb, there’s a piece about “Creato-Terrorism” and some of the commenters talked about having their Darwin fish vandalized or receiving notes on their windshield to the effect that they will burn in hell.  I was wondering whether anyone here had stories to share about similar experiences.  IIRC, there was a New York Times article a while ago about a guy who went around leaving surveys on cars sporting various versions Darwin or Christ fishes.  The survey had some standard multiple choice questions and a free response section, and the guy who did the survey said that some of the free responses he received were several paragraphs long.

Because something as small as a sticker can stir such passions, I’ve taken the Toothpaste for Dinner approach to bumper stickers in general.  It’s also because I’ve gotten older, have my own business, and I don’t want to stick my opinions in my clients’ faces.  

I admit that when I see the version of the “Truth” fish swallowing the Darwin fish, I get riled enough to be tempted to leave a note either with the ninth commandment or the url for the Kitzmiller decision, but I haven’t followed through.  ‘

Stories, anyone?

Personally, I mean, I have this friend, that likes to throw a life-size crucifix through the windshields of cars with Jesus Fish on the bumpers.

ps:  Homeland Security - No, sorry, nothing to do here.  This is only Street Theater.

Date: 2007/07/11 10:51:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Call me Polyanna, but I still think I can get her away from the Darkside!  All she has to do is totaly change her world-view, habits, life-style and become open-minded to new ideas!

Date: 2007/07/11 12:51:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ July 11 2007,12:46)
Maybe they said something about your fly and your monster...

Richardhughes - You will never find a better straight line than this.  Evar

Date: 2007/07/11 13:14:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 11 2007,12:52)
(no need to repeat the image again)

At least Willie's Explanatory Filter actually works!  

In a pipe....but at least it works.

Date: 2007/07/11 13:33:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2007,18:17)
You don't want to argue with people who can deny obvious reality at that kind of World Champion level.

So, I agree, no Casey, as he IS a total wack, but your criteria also leaves off every damned creationist out there!?  We need a new CEF (Creationist Expurgatory Filter).  

And what about my letter?  We need something like this now, more than ever, since FTK is missing in action...
so, Wes or you need to read and edit so we can get some all NEW victims, I mean creo posters here, right?

Date: 2007/07/11 14:22:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2007,12:58)
I've just put it in 'Outlook'.

Richard - Where are you thinking of for after the museum, sciencey stuff?

Date: 2007/07/11 15:22:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 10 2007,20:15)
Dunno about that whole NASCAR thing he has going, tho. Yuck.

Ha! Ha!  Heddle likes NASCAR!

Date: 2007/07/11 15:53:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, basically, nobody likes my "throw-a-life-size-crucifix through-the-window" idea?

Too severe?  Not severe enough?  Help me out here!

Date: 2007/07/12 11:21:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
For some reason, I have a taste for English food.;st=300

Richard - Anyplace around the Field Museum that might be able to set us up with what Dr. Darwin ate? (No finches please....)

Date: 2007/07/12 13:16:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 11 2007,09:42)
Sadly, FtK isn't promoting all my posts again.  :(

Yeah... me too!  I responded to one of her Creo Cretin Posters™ with this post, trying to prove a point about Catholics vs. Protestants vs. Atheists:

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said "Stop! Don't do it!"

"Why shouldn't I?" he said.

I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"

"Like what?"

"Well ... are you religious or atheist?"


"Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?"


"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"


"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"


"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"

"Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"

"Reformed Baptist Church of God."

"Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"

"Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"

To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

Just another light-hearted look at the problems you have when you KNOW God is on YOUR side.

I think this should be credited to Emo Phillips, although there was no attribution on the site I got it from.

Maybe it was jehu, or Sal....

Date: 2007/07/12 14:27:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JAM @ July 12 2007,13:58)
Quote (Hermagoras @ July 11 2007,18:03)

JAM is no longer with us.

Well now.  That took longer than I thought.

I thought my longevity might have been due to my refusal to engage DaveTard.

Welcome also, and for our edification and education, what's your story?

What was a smart poster like you, doing on a
tardalicious board like UD, and how did you wind up here?

Inquiring Minds Want To Know!

Date: 2007/07/12 14:29:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 12 2007,07:00)
Over at UD, DT explains to the sheep still left in the fold his rationale for removing JAM from their midst  [quote]


Linky No Worky No More.

Date: 2007/07/13 09:05:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 12 2007,17:43)
Quote (J-Dog @ July 12 2007,11:21)
For some reason, I have a taste for English food.;st=300

Richard - Anyplace around the Field Museum that might be able to set us up with what Dr. Darwin ate? (No finches please....),0,818837.venue

Chips and curry..Gerrinthere!

I'm hungry already...

Date: 2007/07/13 09:15:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Iowa State Professor Dr. Avalos is also labled an Official FTK Meanie™.. He stops by to get all sciencey on her latest The Bible Is True cuz something is mentioned in a Babylonian Tablet Post...

Date: 2007/07/13 21:09:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 13 2007,10:13)
Ian and I may be taking orders for an official FtK seal of approval lapel pin for Official FTK Meanie™ members. It will definitely complement the "I'm with the banned" bumper stickers. Here is a possible image for the pin.

I like your thinking young man... and I have one for Dembski and/or Behe:

ps For those of you who are just young punks (and you know who you are) this character is called The Nowhere Man and is from the same most excellent film Yellow Submarine.

Date: 2007/07/13 21:55:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (lkeithlu @ July 13 2007,17:24)
Quote (Kristine @ July 13 2007,16:15)
Quote (lkeithlu @ July 13 2007,06:44)
BTW, Wild Bill has a birthday this Wednesday
Born the same day as me
I'm so ashamed....

Don't worry, we'll turn it into a party. :)

Thanks Kristine!
I'm sure aqueous ethanol will ease my pain.
I wonder what Bill D. does to celebrate?

What does Bill do to celebrate?

Well, thanks to DaveScot, who left the Irreducible Celebration Itineray in a public restroom, where it was recovered by one of our numerous Darwinist Elite, we have a copy of Mr. Billy's Birthday Bash!

8:00 am - Get up, kneel down and say a Good Mornign Prayer to The Designer.
8:15 am - Leave for church service and design study
9:30 am - Report to Seminary Office for another tough day of Intelligent Designing, and trying to write sciencey-sounding stuff.
10:00 - Call Wes and hang up when he answers.
10:02 - Call Barbara Forrest and hang up when she answers
10:05 - Call Denyse.  Breathe heavy into phone and then hang up.
10:10 - Call DaveScot.  Breathe heavy into phone and then hang up.
10:16 - Go to lunch.

2:15 - Back from lunch.  Check to see if just maybe TODAY is the day somebody wants to talk to me.

Check emails - WOW!  Interesting information discovered about teen-age sluts that want to talk to me!  Note to self - Must look into this more closely.

2:20 - Check to see if maybe there is at least one message per day at Overwhelming Evidence - Yes!  The Days of The Darwinists are Numbered.  Thank You Jesus!  

3:00 Meet with Design Cadre for Super Secret Design Research (That's me on the right, Dave on the left, and Denyse in the middle).  I like them both very much, and I want them to touch me there in My Design Spot!

3:10 - Party gettting way too wild for me.  I am having another flashback to 4th grade and all those mean kids giving me wedgies.  Mommy!  Make them stop!

3:30 - Am I strong enough to do it today?  Yes!  It's my Birthday!  Me!  Little Billy Demsbksi!  The kid that no one liked, just cuz I am so much better and smarter than them.  I can visit ATBC, and it won't bother me one bit!  

They'll be so sorry pretty soon.  That Wes, and SteveStory, and Kristine, Lenny and Louis and Albatrossity
They will all be sooo sorry when I enable the Doom Of Darwin.   RichardHughes, blipey, oldman, Ha!  Just you wait.  My Secret New Math will be so awesome, nobody will even understand it except for me and Jesus, and they'll regret not getting me good birthday presents!
Even all those eeewwwy new posters will regret it, when all my secret labs work gets published in a peer reviwed journal like Better Homes and Gardens.  I like their pictures!

Why is MY Blog stuck with stupid posters like jehu, tribune and bornagain... Jesus, could you help me out here and get them an effing clue for my birthday?  

4:00 - Home again.  Feed the cat to the dog, clean the lint out of the Explanatory Filter - again!  Eat some Frisky's Kibble & Bits again - MMMM Good!

5:00 - Watch some more LaVerne & Shirley shows to pick up on some more fashion tips.  (note to self: I think Lenny & Squiggy would make good personnel material for future recruiting for the DI)

6:00 Another long day ends.  Time to get my Darwin Doll out of the vise again and turn in.

What a Great Birthday!  Nobody gave me a swirley OR a Wedgie!  Yeah!  I am soooo cool and smart!  I''ll bet I get a Noble Prize THIS YEAR!

Date: 2007/07/14 12:55:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 14 2007,05:29)
Currently "On War" By Carl Von Clausewitz. Not as dry as it may seem.

Ian - Could you do the world a favor and send that to Bush and Cheney when you're done reading it?

They will me utterly amazed that you can actually plan to win a war!  Say what you will about the Krauts, but I think they knew how to win, except that Hitler kept second-guessing his professionals and going with his gut reactions...   Sound familiar?  Yep, it's The ID of WWII.

Date: 2007/07/15 10:26:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 14 2007,21:28)
Ok, that's it, the time for civility is over, FtK went too far this time



Even if it was, it would mean "with regard to" which is the exact opposite of what people who use it mean to say.

(This is one of my pet peeves. I'm not a 100% Queens english obsessive, but there are certian things that get my back up, and this is one, but for the hard of thinking this is (mostly) a JOKE).

Yeah,,,!  I saw this, and immediately knew that there was NO WAY she would ever allow a correction post... regardless of her other problems.

Pet peeve of mine too BTW.  Correlation between correct grammer and holding Creoviews™?

Date: 2007/07/16 11:32:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 16 2007,10:10)
In the comments at FtK's blog, DaveScot clearly is hoping that the shrinking big tent will still include the Catholic Church. More amusingly, he uses a quote from wikipedia, containing this sentence:    
Through the activity of natural causes, God causes to arise those conditions required for the emergence and support of living organisms, and, furthermore, for their reproduction and differentiation.
Although this sounds suspiciously like theistic evolutionism to me, Dave sez that it  
essentially says god planned and created the universe and rejects the darwinian myth of random, unplanned, unguided evolution

Thank you for the catch - I have bben away and just got back to notice DaveScot's love barb to me.  I have replied, BUT, since other post responses 's that I have made to FTK's Mindless Minions™ have been magicaly disapperred into cypberspace, I have preserved it, and present it to you for your perusal.  As always, comments  are always appreciated:

reply To daveScot
DaveScot- You just blew up my Irony Detector! Again!  

Holy Stuff!  You're geting all het up over nothing!  Your Wikepedia quote is SOO open to interpretation.  AND, since I have The Indellible Mark On My Soul, and you are an avowed agnostic, and an ID believing heretic anyway, MY interpretation is better than yours.  And Sister Mary Mother Of Pain says you have STILL not reported for your re-grooving, so get with it Springer.

Not being a theologian, I am not going to discuss in detail what the Catholic Church has been arguing about with Protestants since Luther's time.  (And since you are from UD and TX, I guess I DO need to mention that I am referencing Martin Luther, NOT Martin Luther King!)  And keep in mind that the CC has been arguing with itself for even longer... the First Schism™ probably happened with an argument ad nauseum over the split of the bill for The Last Supper, so, how many angels dance on the head of a pin is really irrelevant.

I think your "Key point" in your rambling bluster was:

"which essentially says god planned and created the universe and rejects the darwinian myth of random, unplanned, unguided evolution"

WTF?  No. Effing. Way. Even your pet Cardinal is going to box your ears for this one!  You should stick to banning people that can't argue with you.  My 12 years of Catholic Ed says you ARE indeed going to rot in hell.  

Have A Nice Day

Date: 2007/07/16 14:10:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2007,13:55)

One Minute Each Night
In WWII, there was an advisor to Churchill who organized a group of
people who dropped what they were doing every night at a prescribed
hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England,
its people and peace. This had an amazing effect as bombing stopped.

There is now a group of people organizing the same thing here in

If you would like to participate: Each evening at 9:00 PM Eastern
Time (8:00 PM Central, 7:00 PM Mountain, 6:00 PM Pacific), stop
whatever you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of
the United States, our troops, our citizens and for peace in the

Someone said if people really understood the full extent of
the power we have available through prayer, we might be speechless.

Our prayers are the most powerful asset we have.

My added Woo:

I pray every night that these people wake up and get a clue... okay not really, but I would if it would make ANY kind of sense.

Date: 2007/07/16 14:13:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 16 2007,14:00)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2007,13:55)

One Minute Each Night
In WWII, there was an advisor to Churchill who organized a group of
people who dropped what they were doing every night at a prescribed
hour for one minute to collectively pray for the safety of England,
its people and peace. This had an amazing effect as bombing stopped.

There is now a group of people organizing the same thing here in

If you would like to participate: Each evening at 9:00 PM Eastern
Time (8:00 PM Central, 7:00 PM Mountain, 6:00 PM Pacific), stop
whatever you are doing and spend one minute praying for the safety of
the United States, our troops, our citizens and for peace in the

Someone said if people really understood the full extent of
the power we have available through prayer, we might be speechless.

Our prayers are the most powerful asset we have.

Funny. I know New Agers (who FTK would of course hate) who say stuff exactly like this.

To modify the old saying, pray in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand is full.

Arden - You must be one of them there hairy ticks I been hearin bout... I learned it as "pray in one hand, shit in the other, and see which hand fills up first

Die Heretic Scum!  :)

Date: 2007/07/17 11:33:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Wow.  Go to a game, go home to sleep, wake up and all hades breaks loose again.  Can I say that I feel strongly both ways?  No?  Okay, then I have to vote with Louis and Lenny, but feel Kristine's pain, and promise to post on Amused Muse more... I think that's the stick, niot the carrot though.  

I was also hoping to actually have dialog with FTK, but DaveScot started stalking, and so goodbye to that, and my rebuttal posts have not gone uo, so maybe FTK has banned me.  My first ime, so I will always remember it.  (sorry Kristine....)   BTW - Colbert had a perfect summation / putdown of daveScot last night...  The Pope has spoken, DaveScot as a Prod is condemed to hell, what part of hell doesn't he understand?  Too bad there's no hell, dammit!  Oh well, that's the way it is.

Living life as an ID advocate and having to hang out with the likes of Dr. Dr. Demsbski and Denyse should be punishment enought for anyone.

Date: 2007/07/17 12:33:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yes, very good, thank's for the help all!

It should be like:

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing life's gristle,
Don't grumble,
Give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best.

Always look on the bright side of life.
Always look on the light side of life.

Date: 2007/07/17 12:40:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Caught this at Science Blogs via The Onion, and thought it was appropriate, and perhaps could shed some light on childhood events that might have led up to Gonzalez's failure to achieve tenure:

Date: 2007/07/17 12:55:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
No one has mentioned Invaders From Mars!  It's actually a classic from 1953, with a re-make in 1986.

I remember it as a scary B movie in the 60's, (hey I was a kid then!)  I mention it cuz you can have a little fun with people watching it for the first time.  Here's How It Goes:

The Mom and Dad and local's get captured by the Invaders From Mars, and get needles inserted into their necks, that control them by the Martians.  People thus controlled do strange stuff, like pour a pound of sugar on a bowl of cereal, eat frogs and burn the bacon.  The only physical sign, is a mark on the neck, easily covered by a band-aid.  

SO, you and a friend or loved one in on the plan, put band-aids on your necks, start the movie, and start acting strange...talking in monotones is a good one. Make sure your fellow movie watchers get a chance to notice your necks. The smarter your friends,(or kids) the sooner they catch on.

Give it a try and report back.  Your Overlords demand it!

Date: 2007/07/17 13:55:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (dhogaza @ July 17 2007,11:47)
Oh, God, Denyse is bringing the old claim that Stephen Jay Gould didn't really believe in evolution back to life.

Here on her blog.

NO!  THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!  Anyone that has read ANY of Stephen Jay Gould's books KNOWS that he believed in evolution - and baseball!  So, Densye, it is Un-Amurikan to dis Mr. Gould, and ex-Marine and poly-morph DaveScot will have to trash your American-hating butt and whip it back to Canada, where you belong, eh?  

I for one, think that it's not so big a leap to see the link between Red Commies and their Red-Coated brethran from Up-North... even their darned cops and flag are red for God's, I mean The Designer's sake!

Denyse - You are a True Maroon™

Come on DaveScotty - Remind her that it's better to be dead than red!  Show us some Patriotism - at least ban her ugly butt... unless you're chicken?

Date: 2007/07/17 15:17:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ July 17 2007,14:43)
I set 'em up, boys, you knock 'em down!


Yes, thank you very much for the layup.

BTW - One person's metaphor could be another person's fantasy :)

(SHHH!  Don't let Kristine know!)

Date: 2007/07/17 20:04:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 17 2007,16:24)
What is he doing with that wrist, exactly?[/quote]
Denyse being the humorless old Irish Catholic frump that she is, I assume she's referring to Dave "Morphodyke" Scot's use of the banning button.

Arden, I don't think you can assume here...

For example, I suspect that what he's doing with his wrist is called by some "ID Research".  

You may have another name for what that might also be called, but I think we are only allowed to utter that word over at the Bathroom Wall.

Date: 2007/07/18 12:02:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 18 2007,11:29)
That's the first new topic there in months.

And after their spate of activity a couple of weeks ago, their posting rate is back to their normal one-a-week.

I am truly overwhelmed.

Date: 2007/07/18 14:58:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's all because PZ literally blasted her this morning on his blog (which is currently the #2 most active on Science Blogs)

She must be going crazy with the increase in traffic and comments, and I would guess that the comments are @ 95% laughing at her. vs 5% praying with her.

And if you're FTK, you don't get it, and I'm sure Louis and Ian will verify this - because the Germans haven't bombed London in years -  the prayers MUST be working!

Date: 2007/07/18 15:39:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 18 2007,14:33)
DCA UPDATE, now with added Canadians...

This could get quite interesting

Here's Denyse - from Canada, and looking like an unsuccessful lab experiment already...

Here's DaveScot - Insipid, I mean Intrepid ID Sciencey-experimenter extrordinaire and DCA Marketer Of The Year(unless those people die, then he doesn't know nuthin)

Put them together and what do you get?

An experiment that screams design?
A Nobel Prize?
A cure for cancer?
NO!  You get exactly nothing, nada, zilch.  Garbage in, garbage out.  

Too bad cuz Denyse could finally do something useful with herself.

Oh well.  I guess that's just the way the Designer wanted it.  And the German's haven't bombed London for years!

Date: 2007/07/18 18:34:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 18 2007,18:26)
Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2007,18:25)
I recognise Richardthughes, but who's that on the left?

Well, except for the face, I'd guess Dave Scot.

No, it can not be DaveScot - looks waaay too smart to be the Bannanator.

Date: 2007/07/18 18:39:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 18 2007,17:53)
Quote (stevestory @ July 18 2007,17:48)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 18 2007,17:13)
As someone who finds the hollywood idea of USA-saves-us-all parroted constantly in films (the single worst offender I've ever seen is U571, where it credited Americans with the capture of the enigma machine, which was actually done by, if my memory serves, Brits, Poles and possibly Canadians)

Actually, I thought it was almost entirely Poles.

Keep in mind that among other things, Denyse makes a big deal out of being Canadian.

What's Denyse got to do with this?

Brain fart. I momentarily thought this nonsense was coming from Denyse instead of FTK.


See Arden!  this is exactly why you are Not, and will never be UD material.  

You simply can not admit to making a mistake this easily and have a hope or a prayer of making it big in the ID world.   You can just kiss that easy money from the DI goodbye mister.

Date: 2007/07/18 21:45:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 18 2007,21:11)
Dembski may drive the shortbus,

but it's a totally blinged-out Cadillac Escalade shortbus.

Is this his birthday present from Denyse, DaveScot, or the DI?

Date: 2007/07/18 21:47:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ July 18 2007,21:05)
William Dembski's supporters may be fools, but Dembski is not. He's just a hustler out to make some bank. So he goes where the money is: business executives.

The conference will take place on September 21-22, 2007 in the Smith Center for Leadership Development on the campus of Southwestern Seminary. Registration is $50 for students, $65 for Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce members, and $75 for regular registration. After September 14, registration will be $75 for students, $90 for Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce members, and $100 for regular registration. For more information, please call 1-877-474-4769. To reserve overnight accommodations, please call 817-921-8800.

Intelligent Design: The Scientific Theory That Improves Your Bottom Line
I see that William Dembski, fresh from raking in thousands of dollars for not testifying in the Dover trial, has now branched out into explaining his business savvy to the masses. Look at this announcement for a conference at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary for a conference entitled "Intelligent Design in Business Practice: How design assumptions impact management, leadership & organization".

This page has more details. Since ill-conceived ideas like this have a history of vanishing without a trace, I'll repeat the description below:

Hey - a carney's got to have his hustle.

Date: 2007/07/19 08:45:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 19 2007,06:45)
There is a sense in which fundamentalism promotes a quasi-solipsistic worldview. The solipsist views reality as having only one real actor, himself. Fundamentalists often see only three real actors (or five, if they wish to be trinitarian in math): himself, God, and Satan. Others are either "prompted by God" if they have done something the fundamentalist views as "good", or "seduced by Satan" if they have done something the fundamentalist views as "evil". Everyone else is merely an automaton through which God or Satan acts, though somehow each automaton has "free will", and thus is accountable for every time Satan pulls their puppet strings.

Thus it seems to me that there is no point in interacting with that form of fundamentalist, at least not if you wish to be accorded credit or blame for what you do yourself. They simply don't see you at all. It's just them, God, and Satan having a big board game.

Wes - Excellent.  Your Fundy Board Game Theory™ makes a lot of sense to me, and I look forward to using it when among the family for a wedding this week end.

As a matter of fact, it makes more sense, in fewer words, than anything else I have read on the subject.

Now, can I have my $200 for passing GO?

Date: 2007/07/19 08:52:18, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (guthrie @ July 16 2007,05:39)
Quote (stevestory @ July 13 2007,14:05)
I see Sal has a new revolutionary ID blog,

Are you prepared for...

Knights of ID

That'll be "KiDs" then.  Sounds about right.

That "New" site is from August... 2006!  One post per year is even worse that the Overwhelming Evidence site, and I thought that was a world record for futility.

I guess that other than Hannah,  most college KIDs aren't dumb enough to fall for this crap.

Date: 2007/07/19 10:09:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 19 2007,07:07)
Re Dr. Dr. D's business/management seminar, this presentation  
“History and Prospects of the Intelligent Design Movement”
Dr. Ide Trotter, Trotter Capital Management

might almost be worth the price of admission. It should rank right up there with a presentation entitled "History and Prospects of Enron".

Street Theater (Jerky Boyz Edition)

I just called the 877 number "for more information" and talked to Mathew, to tell him that someone had hacked their website and was making fun of them and Dembksi, cuz no one in their right mind would pay money to hear  Dembski talk about business.  

He assured me that it was a legitimate conference, at which I expressed deep incredulity.  Several times.  

He asked where I had heard of the conference, and I told him at the  "Uncommonly Dense" website.  

We parted on good terms, so no fundys were actually harmed in the making of this post.

Date: 2007/07/19 13:35:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 19 2007,12:16)

I’ll take a box of Thin Hints, two boxes of Salvoas (yeah, I know), a box of TreFilters, and a box of Don’t-See-Don’ts.

Kristine - Your ID Cookies - Brilliant!  

Pork?   Even I don't remember my "pork" comments, so thanks. :)

re: Heddle - who am I to stand in the way of your happiness? (Though I think you should have that soft spot in your head looked at before it festers and leads to Heddle-mania, or Heddle-mentia.)

Now, if he could run his words through the Incredibly Smarmy Filter™, or run his posts by The Ministry For The Prevention of Smarmy Comments prior to posting, I think he'd be okay.  

To those members of the Free Heddle Now - He Is The Best Poster in The Entire World and We Really Miss Him  Committee - Careful what you wish for.  

But in honor of our distinguished visitor from Rome, Biggus Dickus, shall we release Brian, or shall we release  Heddle?  

I wash my hands, and on your heads be it.

posted by J-Dog
President of the Ad Hoc Committee to Preserve and Protect the Posters of ATBC from the Evils of Heddleism

(Not that anyone here really needs any protection, as everyone here is pretty darned smart and can take care of themselves.)  :)

But I am NOT doing any hugging or kissing with the tongue!

Date: 2007/07/19 14:13:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Gunthernacus @ July 19 2007,13:41)
FTK:  What if you're wrong about prayer? What if there is a God? Should we not pray for the safety of our troups, our citizens, and ultimate world peace?

What of the millions of prayers said at weekly services, meal times, bed times, etc... week after week, year upon year for the health and safety of loved ones - family and friends alike?  Bombs fell - people died - and what?  Pray "harder"?  Pray "louder"? Pray, but "really meant it" now?  What?

What if there is a God?  Doesn't He know that you don't want your children maimed or killed in a war (or anywhere else for that matter)?  You have to spell it out for Him?  Doesn't He know (didn't He make it so) that the safety of your children is one of the few things you want so desperately as to trade your own life for it?  And yet you have to ask for it, in a certain special way?  Is prayer a "magic spell" that requires a particular phrasing and hand gesture?  Or is your love and devotion to your children enough to alert Him?

Gunthernacus:  Your series of questions is spot on, and unfortuntely they are why people keep funding an entire industry of leeches that purport to have The Answer™.  Doesn't matter if they are called pastors, priests or immans - it's always amazing to me that people can't see this.

Date: 2007/07/19 14:54:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ July 19 2007,14:09)
I am actually rather surprised you don't see that criticizing me (perhaps not without merit) on here for smarmy-ness and smugness is rather like seeing a commenter criticized on UD for being unscientific. I mean, do you guys read your own posts?

Anyway, J-Dog and Louis: peace brothers.

Heddle - WTF?  Louis is siding with you! He's being your bud, and you slam him?!


Ahem, committee?  Are you ready to asemble again?

Date: 2007/07/19 15:29:07, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ July 19 2007,15:20)
Heddle - WTF?  Louis is siding with you! He's being your bud, and you slam him?!

Please note I am addressing this all in good fun, but let’s parse Louis’s comment:
P.S. Heddle? Knows his physics, clearly not a total moron when  it comes to science, best ignored on the matters of religion and irritating smugness.

1) clearly not a total moron

In the words of Tevye in Fiddler on the Roof when the local official tells him that he is a good man, for a Jew: "Rarely have I received such a compliment."

2) best ignored on the matters of religion and irritating smugness.

This, you describe, as siding with me? Well all I can say is: rarely have I received such an affirmation!

Heddle - I still say that Louis' comment is a positive, and it's probably the nicest thing anybody has ever written about you except for your mother.

Jeez - you'd complain if they hung you with a golden rope.

Date: 2007/07/19 21:47:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 19 2007,21:11)
Quote (stevestory @ July 19 2007,21:06)
Our enemies are nice enough to humiliate themselves on a regular basis.

I love this bit from Chris Heard:

Furthermore, here's the vintage 2003 version of the hoax, describing the ACLU's (fictitious) involvement:  
The incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."
That was on Uncommon Descent earlier today, but now here is DaveScot's doctored version:  
This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the Birthday of the Corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says a rumored spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."
DaveScot has changed only a few words, but Lucius Traveler is not in fact "a rumored spokesman for the ACLU," but a nonexistent person. DaveScot's "revisions" continue to peddle exactly the same nonsense, changing only a few proper nouns and adding a little anti-France bigotry to boot.

DaveScot's got all the editing skills that led to the speciation of the "cdesign proponentists."

Posted by: Chris Heard [TypeKey Profile Page] | May 22, 2006 03:49 PM

I (heart) Uncommonly Dense.

Do you think he cringes every time he see's this? That 220 lbs of V-shaped raw coulrophobe.

Does he cringe?  Yes, and I think that if we could continue to remind him of his HUGE mistake on a regular basis, we could train him like one of Pavlov's dogs.  Everytime he sees a Marine Praying, or sees the magic symbol ACLU, he will cringe.

We will be able to turn "That 220 lbs of V-shaped raw coulrophobe." into 220 lbs of quivering Cheesy Poof -filled flab.

Date: 2007/07/20 09:06:30, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 20 2007,07:30)
Quote (J-Dog @ July 19 2007,21:47)
Does he cringe?  Yes, and I think that if we could continue to remind him of his HUGE mistake on a regular basis, we could train him like one of Pavlov's dogs.  Everytime he sees a Marine Praying, or sees the magic symbol ACLU, he will cringe.

We will be able to turn "That 220 lbs of V-shaped raw coulrophobe." into 220 lbs of quivering Cheesy Poof -filled flab.

Actually, given that he can deny reality quite easily, I would guess that he doesn't cringe. I imagine that he has constructed some alternate reality in his head, and that is how he views it now. If he can edit words on a blog and bluster past the criticisms at the time, he has certainly edited his own reality by now.

Semper fib.

I bow to your superior analysis.

Semper Fib Indeed!

Date: 2007/07/20 11:01:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Darth Robo @ July 20 2007,10:16)
You people have no sense of humor!!!

:angry:      :angry:      :angry:      :angry:      :angry:

(runs and hides)

I am all Heddled out.  Like a fine liqueur, or boils on the bum, a little Heddle goes a long, long , long, long, long, really long way.

Can we PLEASE send Hedle back to lurker mode again ?

Date: 2007/07/20 11:06:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2007,10:52)
Hey UDers. I'm missing some of my premium content!

Why no "Bast month eva" chart from DaveTard?

Why no "I'm fleecing some rubes with 'ID for bizniz folks'" post from D*mbski?

It's like, they only want me to know certain things, or summin'.

Ah Yes!  Like a breath of fresh air, we are back to UD bashing in all it's glory. **Praise Jesus!

Maybe this is one of the WORST months evar for UD, or maybe DaveScot is standing in line - with a Wizard's hat - waiting to get the New Harry Potter Book - "Harry Potter and The Never Ending Buildup" *

Just thinking of DaveScot - standing in the hot TX sun in a Wizard's hat is worth the price of admission here today kids!

*from The Daily Show last night

**Thank you for the Back On Track Post sir!

Date: 2007/07/20 11:08:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2007,10:54)
It saddens me the marine corps can produce such shiote. Although I hear they even let fictitious lezzers in these days...

and people that are easily duped by urban myths...

Date: 2007/07/20 12:04:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 20 2007,11:44)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2007,10:52)
Hey UDers. I'm missing some of my premium content!

Why no "Bast month eva" chart from DaveTard?

Why no "I'm fleecing some rubes with 'ID for bizniz folks'" post from D*mbski?

It's like, they only want me to know certain things, or summin'.

Ah Rich, if you want Tard, you should go here:

Some high-grade stupidity there - I barely tapped with a hammer, and the whole seam gushed out.

It includes Sal repeatedly trying to quote-mine, in the hope we'll get upset.  He also tries to derail the thread, presumably to the annoyance of the poor guy who started the post, who is, um, wait a moment...



Damnation!  UD is broken again.  This time they've gone too far....the poor flagellum propeller just can't handle cleaning the tard out of the explanatory filter.

Date: 2007/07/20 12:14:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 20 2007,09:54)
Louis, none of this fancy educated-talk fools us. We found out you actually work in an adult book shop in London.


Arden - I hate to sound pedantic like Heddle, BUT Louis posted a link to "All Natural", not "Au Natural" . :)

Date: 2007/07/20 12:18:27, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 20 2007,12:09)
We will be able to turn "That 220 lbs of V-shaped raw coulrophobe." into 220 lbs of quivering Cheesy Poof -filled flab.

What's the reference for Dave being afraid of clowns? Is this something he admitted to Blipey?

I don't think he admitted it, as such to blipey... it was more the evolutionary , I mean DESIGNED reaction of fear-or-flight "if I see you I will shoot you" response.

ps:  Where did you dig up DaveScot's High School Graduation Picture?

Date: 2007/07/20 15:31:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 20 2007,14:47)
Looks like I'm flying down, but the only flights back are on Sunday morning - maybe I can take Monday off if necessary, or maybe you want me out of your hair that quick. Just wondering. (Welcome to my car-free life.)

Kristine - I tried to send you a long IM, but got an error msg that your mailbox was full - whats up with that?

I also sent you an email, but it wasn't as detailed, so let me know if/ when you get your IM box cleaned out, or if you just want me/us to send more emails.

Date: 2007/07/20 15:51:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
He's also a lier - no surprise - by omission.  

He says:  Well, actually, my work on the explanatory filter first appeared in my book THE DESIGN INFERENCE, which was a peer-reviewed monograph with Cambridge University Press (Cambridge Studies in Probability, Induction, and Decision Theory). This work was also the subject of my doctoral dissertation from the University of Illinois. So the pretense that this work was not properly vetted is nonsense.

No, Bill, you went to the University of Illinois- Chicago, which is a LOT SMALLER SCHOOL  and does NOT have nearly the same sterling reputation as the U of I / Champaign-Urbana...

Naughty, naughty, Dr. Dembski!

Date: 2007/07/20 18:19:05, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 20 2007,17:59)

Would it help to derail ID to characterize Dembski as a mathematical klutz. Then characterize him as a mathematical klutz. As for providing evidence for that claim, don’t bother. If NATURE requires no evidence, then certainly the rest of the scientific community bears no such burden.

First comment - By "bornagain" - Jesus Christ, this post is so obsequious that it makes me think "bornagain" is a Dembski sock puppet.  Would a Double Doctor like Dembksi do something this crazy?

Date: 2007/07/20 18:25:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Hermagoras @ July 20 2007,17:59)
Quote (ck1 @ July 20 2007,17:42)
Quote (JAM @ July 20 2007,17:20)
Is quoting an "accurate representation of data," Paul? Why is it that real scientists don't generally do it, and you fake scientists do it all the time?

This is an understatement.  I have never used a direct quote in any paper I have written, and the only paper I can think of from a peer-reviewed journal that makes liberal use of quotes is one that Afdave (remember him?) brought up a lot.  I guess this literary device appeals to creationists (because it is a common tactic in religous apologetics).

As a teacher of scientific writing, I totally agree with JAM.  Many of my undergraduate students were trained to cite in Freshman English classes, usually taught in English departments, where the rule is to cite via quotation.  This is a humanities model that is actually disabling in scientific education.  Students in scientific writing classes have to learn that scientists almost never quote (a few exceptions are almost always found in complex and anomalous articles such as, say, Gould and Lewontin's "Spandrel's" essay).  I comment briefly on this in a paper I published with Cary Moskovitz:

Moskovitz, Cary and David Kellogg. "Primary Science Communication in the First-Year Writing Course." CCC 57.2 (2005): 307-334.

For what it's worth, CCC is College Composition and Communication, the leading journal in the field.  (I'd quote the relevant passage here, but I'm on a relative's computer and don't have access to the paper directly.)  

I also have a reply to Paul Nelson's endlessly repeated comment re: figure sizes.  In general, as graphic design experts such as Edward Tufte have noted, scale provides information that is lost (!) when rescaling occurs without noting the activity.  Obviously some notation is better than none.  See his books The Visual Display of Quantitative Information and Envisioning Information.  If biology textbooks print such comparisons without a "not to scale" note, I actually agree with Nelson on this minor point.  But such failures to reach an ideal representation are (a) common throughout technical illustration, and (b) nothing compared with the regular and repeated distortions characteristic of the ID community.

Jesus Christ Paul, this is not rocket science. You can drop a scale into any picture these days!  In the field you might us a rock hammer, but it's easy enough to put a ruler by a skull!

Date: 2007/07/23 15:08:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Why should we do the damned DI's work for them?

If we continue to vet this book the DI will make money from, the people that are telling them what to correct should all get paid for their work.

And why should we do their work for them again?

I say let them lie and dig another grave for themselves and their half-baked crazy ID views.

Date: 2007/07/23 21:31:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 23 2007,15:48)

And why should we do their work for them again?

I say let them lie and dig another grave for themselves and their half-baked crazy ID views.

They've already printed the thing; they'd have to make another edition to fix it, or publish a book-length errata. They cannot actually fix most of what has been pointed out so far, or what is coming. You can already see that in the case of the quotes that have been looked at, where if they accurately represented the quoted people they'd sink their own arguments.

Now is the time to show everyone just how dreadful the content is, before fall and the expected rollout in various classrooms. If we have the information available, presented in a coherent manner, the odds that all the students in those classes will fail to locate it during the course will be much smaller. If we say we're going to wait for a lawsuit to point out the problems, then you've essentially tossed those students to the sharks. Besides which, you've also made it less likely that the people contesting EE will have all the ammunition they should have when going to court.

This thread is for free-wheeling discussion of EE, and the EE Companion is where the coherent presentation part comes in. But the effectiveness of the Companion depends crucially on how much of the content of EE is critically analyzed within it.

Ah Ha!  Lightbulb goes off...

Date: 2007/07/23 21:50:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 23 2007,19:31)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 23 2007,18:02)
I dunno how many of you have seen this, but a commenter on Pharyngula today just made my day. Here is a link to a DI news release. Enjoy!

I saw it. I was eating. I got the hiccups. I nearly choked on my food. If I had, I would have died happy. I think the person responsible, "garth," has located his altruism, Dr. Egnor! :)

Now I need someone to scare me to get me to stop hiccupping, because once I start I continue all day. :p We'll see what the UDudes come up with. Skair me! Go on! I want you to! Booga booga!

Arf Blah Plop  Moo!

This is beautiful.  I think this should be moved to the other thread, so Paul Nelson can comment on it.   :)

Arf Blah Plop Moo makes much more sense than what usually comes out of Discovery.

Kristine -For hiccups,  drinking water works for me.

Date: 2007/07/24 21:28:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (ck1 @ July 24 2007,19:14)
I posted 3 comments on FTk's website.  Two were comments about my experiences in Catholic schools and did not get through moderation.  The third comment asked if she deleted 50% or 90% of submitted comments - and that made it through.

Go figure.

ck1 - Sorry I spoiled the Catholic thing for you... I posted at FTK's blog about Pope Sturbanfuhrer Benedict's recent slap at the Protestant fundies faces, and used my Catholic jargon to condemn DaveScot to hell.  

DaveScot made a half-hearted stab at rebuttal, but I think he was off his game, maybe looking over his shoulder for murderous clowns or something.  

So when I tried to re-rebuttle, with my DaveScot will rot in hell per the Catholic Church pronouncement,  my comment did not go through.  

My Die Heretic Scum joke didn't go through either, so my hypothesis is that FTK is WAY down on Creo vs. Creo comments.  And of course, way into Creo vs. evil atheistic evilutionist comments.

Sorry I spoiled it for you.  I will say 3 Hail Mary's and an Our Father, and it will all be okay.

Date: 2007/07/24 21:36:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Educated Creo = Oxymoron

That there Creo having some book-learnen', don't make the dad-gummed idjit educated!

Look at that Dembski fellow... lots of degrees, ain't got a lick o' sense.

Date: 2007/07/25 11:20:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
He's not going on a vacation... he's going on a "retreat", so that he may gird his loins and deal with the idolators. (That' us BTW! :) )

My $.02 is that ANYONE that holds with a 6,000 YEC credo after going through college is hopeless.  If they are still singing "Rock Of Ages', they are only giving us a glimpse of what they use for brains.

Sorry Louis.  I just don't want you to get your hopes up, only to have them dashed heartlessly and most cruelly to the ground once more

Date: 2007/07/25 13:16:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 25 2007,12:08)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 25 2007,11:36)
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 25 2007,11:27)
I was amused by how aggressive kairosfocus was in his question: I know what would happen if I had posted that.

I also wonder what are the chances he'll get an answer.

It's a sad commentary when simply asking for a definition of terms is recognized by all of us as "aggressive".

Yes, or when pointing out that one should be better informed on a subject is an 'ad hominem attack'.

Once again, UD lowers the bar for all of us.

And referencing or repeating anything that DaveScot has said is an "ex-hominid attack"...

Date: 2007/07/25 14:47:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ July 25 2007,10:58)
But as I am a true fan of the game and not just a jingoistic England supporter (despite the jokes), I am looking forward to seeing one of the best teams ever seen (NZ) kicking arse across the park. I hope you DO win it, because then we will see some stupendous rugby.


You guys have it made.  Here in the states, we can't even get Rugby on ESPN 2.

The Spanish language stations will show what they call "football", and I call pansy ball or soccer, but never a Real Rugby match do I see on TV.

Date: 2007/07/25 21:24:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2007,20:00)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 25 2007,15:25)
Incoming Tard Alert!

Sal breathlessly reveals his latest contribution, filed under "Advanced Creation Science".    
This morning, after much searching I may have found confirming evidence of a VERY VERY bold prediction of Barry Setterfield’s light speed decay theory. Light speed decay (CDK) theory predicts that we will see celestial objects move in slow motion (time dilation) depending on an equation calculated by Dr. Stephen Cheesman. For example, the degree of time dilation predicted when we start to look at objects at say about 30,000 light years is about 59, their physical motions will appear to be slowed down by factors of 59!.

In a survey of Visual Photometric Binary stars and Visually accessible Spectroscopic Binary stars, I have found confirming evidence of this time dilation! Astronmers have acknoweldged the anomaly and tried to explain away the fact that as one looks farther out from Earth there is an increase in population of slow visual Binary Stars (Stars which orbit one another), or apparently no binary stars at all. Actually, with extreme time dilation, binary stars will look frozen, and this is actually what we are seeing in globular clusters 30,000 light years away.

I have also asserted that there are only supposed eclipsing binaries detected by micro-lensing techniques which are not binaries at all.

I would welcome review of the current work on this subject as it would confirm:

1. Intelligent Design
2. Recent Special Creation


regards to everyone, especially my brethren,

Shorter Sal:

This morning, after much....dilation....I have found....the anomaly....with extreme....globular clusters....I have also....detected....techniques which are brethren...

Carlsonjock- WARNING!

Your last two posts both contain quote mine examples consistant and worthy of Sal and UD.  

Your failure to take all necesssary precautions to prevent further exposure to Tard for the next hour may automatically confer DI Fellowship status upon you.

If you experience any dizziness or lust for flagellum or Denyse, please dial 911 and seek medical assitance immediately.

We would hate to lose you to the Dark Side, so take it easy, everything will be fine.

Date: 2007/07/26 09:49:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 26 2007,08:44)
Who are these/this Legion people/person?

Some trolls take a very dedicated approach to perpetuating their ignorance.  Fascinating.  What makes them tick?  Who are they?  What makes them do this?

Perhaps it is the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And perhaps it is the "Jesus Gene", evolved over time to give them a highly developed ability to piss off all  people that interact with them.  

Normally I am a strict pacifist, but somehow, in the presence of people with the Jesus Gene, (and it's mutant virus the ID Gene) I have the ability and strong desire to tweak their noses and kick their butts.

Ah Nature!

Date: 2007/07/26 10:14:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ July 26 2007,10:01)
Okay, I get in at 8:32 a.m. on Sat. Aug 4. Leaving on Monday, heh, got a day off. Sure hope other wimmins will be there. (I told my boss, "If I DON'T COME BACK...")

I hope you don't mind when you find out what a boring dork I really am. :)

Kristine - If we weren't all really boring dorks, we wouldn't be here!  :)

We're not actuially talking about clubbing in London, New York or Paris, we're talking about going to a frigging Museum after all!

Excpt for richard... who is teh sexy hot, at least for FTK

You won't be the only lady there - my wife and college-age daughter will be there, AFAIK - And don't forget Tara Smith!

Date: 2007/07/30 09:01:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Richard- I think we have a finalized week-end, (Sat Aug 4 and Sunday Aug 5) but do not have an actual finalized date and time.

Since this was your idea, what is the best date and time for you?

Date: 2007/07/30 10:39:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (jeannot @ July 28 2007,03:14)
What a clown, the true "Paris Hilton of information theory".  :D

What a clown, the true "Paris Hilton of information theory".

Merci, mon ami!

May I please approprate this officially to use as my tag line?  Don't make me start ordering Freedom Fries, instead of French Fries... :)

Date: 2007/07/30 10:56:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 30 2007,03:54)
Should we set up a fund to pay for Bill's psychotherapy?

Thanks for the hard work: somebody had to do it, and I'm glad it wasn't me.


Outstanding!  Thank you.  You've already done more research and real work than all the DI Fellows combined.

Of course your reward for doing great work, is doing more great work....  I hope you can keep up with the bannings in the future.  Fortunately, as interest in ID has waned, so have the posts and bannings at UD and the best case scenario is that you are out of posting material soon.

Date: 2007/07/30 21:45:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Boo - Sorry to see you miss it Tara.  

So to everyone else:  Saturday Afternoon it is?  I think we need to even pin it down more, because, you have to buy time-stamped tickets - at least that's what happened when I saw the Pompeii exhibit last year...

I will try and do some more digging tomrrow morning and post to confirm this.  If anybody has any preferences or comments about times on Sat afternoon, please post ASAP!

This could be a lot of fun, I am looking forward to it, and especially Richard's English Pub.  Actually, I've already seen an old guy in a beard, so maybe just go to the Pub?

Nah.  Kidding.

Date: 2007/07/31 09:53:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Ok - I will send mine via PM also to you and Richard.  It looks like Saturday afternoon is best, so now we have to agree on a time.

This link is to Tickets for Museum and Darwin admission:

The fine print says there is a $1.50 surcharge for ordering online and picking up at the Will-Call booth.

Entry times are on the Hour and 1/2 hour, so if we can pin this down, we can all see the exhibit at the same time, more or less.  The Pompeii experience was not good - it was too crowded, so I hope the Flintstone Museum siphons off most of the crowd on Saturday, and we can dance and play in a cavernous hall.

Date: 2007/07/31 13:21:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Kristine has spoken and the word is 2:00.

Be there, or be square.

Please send all complaints to DaveScot Springer c/o UD.

Your complaint will be given the full attention it deserves.

Date: 2007/07/31 13:49:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ July 31 2007,11:15)
Re "Off topic, I know, but I am curious how a young-earth 'geologist' would explain this."

God was saving up water for the Flood?


Church of the Norwegion Parrots says you should die you heretic blasphemer!

God was making a god-sized margarita and needed salt.

Date: 2007/07/31 20:37:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yes, 1:30 meet time is good - By Main entrance?  I'll be wearing a flower in my hair.  No.  That's not right, I'll be wearing a Yankees baseball cap instead.  And we have the cell phone numbers so that will help.

We might even be earlier, and see some of the other stuff - I could walk around there all day and night, if they'd let me.

Date: 2007/07/31 20:42:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
And we have polar ice caps, cuz He likes frozen margaritas...  

Hey, this making up Religious Myths, I mean Inspired Religious Dogma is pretty easy and fun...

Fix me another tall one, Big JuJu...

Date: 2007/08/01 08:57:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Nomad @ Aug. 01 2007,00:32)
Would a humble lurker who just happens to be Chicago adjacent be allowed to join in on this event?
I swear I'm not an undercover fundie.. and if I was I sure as hell wouldn't ask to go to the Darwin exhibit with you lot.. that'd be like going into the lion's den accompanied by the lions..

Anyway I've been looking for an excuse to hit one of the Chicago museums, and this would make a pretty decent excuse.  I can offer to contribute photography of the event, recording the moment forever so it can be savored by posterity.  Or just splashed casually about the forums, as you wish.

Nomad - Absolutely come - The more the merrier.  

BTW - I don't worry about undercover fundies - my wife is one -and she'll be there.  However, unlike FTK and others, she doesn't bother me, and I don't bother her about it, so everything works out just fine.  

If you are a photog - double-good - I understand Professor Steve-Steve The Panda might be in attendance, and he is quite the attention whore.  Just make sure you get his good side, or his publicist will go all Mike Vick on you.

Send me a PM here if you want my cell phone to make it easier to hook up.

Date: 2007/08/01 09:50:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 01 2007,09:28)
Also from wMAD, in the same piece:
Three-part reality check:

  1. The problems facing Darwinian evolution are increasing, not dwindling.
  2. ID proponents do have a positive program (e.g.,
  3. I wasn’t comparing Jerry Coyne to Herman Munster based merely physical similarity but on the Munsteresque dopeyness of his arguments.

After additional reflection, I'm still trying to decide which of those three claims is the most comical.

The problem is, the humor in each statement is so different.

#3 is buffoonery with elegance, a mix of WC Fields and an intellectual equivalent of the perfectly dressed society grand dame falling face-first into the punch bowl.  #2 is a wonderful contradiction that requires a slight time delay for processing "ID" vs "positive program", followed by a spit-take, with the subtle follow-up of the weblink to tease the true aficionado.  #1, however, is a magisterial combination of tragedy with bathos, worthy of King Lear or the Coyote in the Roadrunner cartoon, with Dembski, doomed to fail, but meanwhile forced by his nature to struggle forever to keep his finger in the dyke against an overwhelming flood of reality, to endlessly push his boulder of denial uphill, to keep optimistically unpacking the latest Acme Anti-Evolution Argument in the vain hopes that perhaps this time it will succeed.

Who said that Dembski doesn't do humor???  

It's days like this that make reading UD worthwhile.

N Wells -  This is excellent and will go into my save file.

You have summed up the total ID experience as practiced by the UD Buffoons™ in a few short elegant paragraphs.  

Thank You!

Date: 2007/08/01 10:43:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JAM @ Aug. 01 2007,09:33)
If things fall apart at Sal's place, I think I've got a live one here:

JAM - Excellent catch - How and where did you find these nuts?  Did you just google "nut-jobs"?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Maybe we should have a contest some day to find the runner-up dumbest ID blogs (UD of course will always be #1 - in our hearts, if not in the numbers).

Date: 2007/08/01 13:11:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Aug. 01 2007,12:57)
Two things:

First of all, this reliance on the idea that "if something is unlikely to happen under the uniform distribution, then it's CSI" is mind-numbingly idiotic.  Even for IDers.

Second, note that Sal didn't even suggest that Dembski had "risen above" or "replied to" his critics.  No.  Dembski *out-runs* his critics.

That virulent guy.

Maybe some Immodium-D would help?

Date: 2007/08/01 14:45:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Thanks for the interest Ed, we'd love to see you at the Museum.  Might take you up on the lunch meet, (or lunch meat :)) and have emailed another party regarding their interest.  Per your instructions, I'll send you an email, if we can swing it.

ps: Welcome aboard ATBC - Come for the knowledge, stay for the fun!

Date: 2007/08/01 14:50:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
After reading Rob's post, I emailed Dr. Olofsson and invited him to stop by - he just emailed back - expressed a little frustration - surprise - so maybe he'll visit and help kick a little IDC buttock.

Date: 2007/08/02 10:50:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (blipey @ Aug. 02 2007,10:42)
There were also future missionaries from my churches and Bible studies who were risking their lives for their faith.

Are these:

A)  Missionaries who don't exist yet
B)  Missionaries extolling various prophecies
C)  Missionaries that people are buying as commodities

blipey - Looks like you've really nailed Sal on his "missionary position"... :)

Date: 2007/08/02 14:07:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 02 2007,13:10)
DaveScot says:
... The local atheist society refused to let me join when I explained that I didn’t positively disbelieve in God.


I would be willing to bet  a dollar to his next box of Krispy Cremes, that the reason that his local atheist society didn't let him join is beacause they met him, talked to him, and realized that they did not want a total ass hat as a member.

I can hear them saying "Oh Dear God No!  Not Springer again!"  or "God Dammit, it's that damn Springer again."

DaveScot - Driving People To Jesus, Drink and Drugs.

Date: 2007/08/02 17:34:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Art @ Aug. 01 2007,18:38)
Quote (Reed A. Cartwright @ July 31 2007,09:24)
Now that it is set, someone PM me a mailing address and I'll make sure Prof. Steve Steve shows up at your place in time for the trip.

Whoever replied to Reed send me a PM to let me know that Prof. Steve Steve arrived safely.  Or let the board know.


Art - I received Professor Steve-Steve and his new friend today, and he is very happy to be going to the Museum this Saturday and diner later.  He is hoping to eat Chinese - I told him that the Irish Pub we were planning on going to would be glad to cook him up a Shephards Pie with bamboo.  Personally, I think if he has enough Jameson's he won't care about the bamboo.

If we have any other Panda Experts out there, please feel free to make recommendations.

Date: 2007/08/02 20:20:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Just heard that Behe is scheduled to be on Stephen Colbert tonight.

Date: 2007/08/03 08:23:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 02 2007,21:04)
Behe Doesn't Get HIV

Beautiful comment Wes!

Thanks for the straight line, I have great snarky comments just waiting to evolve into full-blown belly-laughs, but my professionalism and modesty prevents me from shooting fish in the barrel.

Date: 2007/08/03 10:43:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
JAM asked me to invite Steve from triablogue guy here, but it's not my blog!  If Wes or Steve want to invite him, fine, but I think this guy is a total waste of time, and has made up what little mind he has a long time ago.

WARNING:  This guy has a serious stick up his behind, and makes Heddle look like a hell-fire chasing wacked out crazy living on the edge.  

He's not the kind of guy I would hang out with, but hey, if we were all the same, this old world would be boring.  
So, Wes and/or Steve, take a look at him from his blog profile:

steve hays
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Astrological Sign: Virgo
Zodiac Year: Boar
Industry: Religion
Occupation: writer
Location: Sto-Vo-Kor : United States
About Me
I’m a native of the greater Seattle area. I’m a TA at RTS. In theology, I’m a Calvinist, creationist, inerrantist, cessationist, classical Christian theist, and amil (with postmil sympathies). I'm a low churchman with a sympathy for a certain amount of high church symbolism. I’m a pragmatist about church polity. On the sacraments, I take them to be symbolic. I regard other issues in sacramentology as secondary to this primary position. In philosophy, I’m an Augustinian exemplarist. I’m a Cartesian dualist. I’m an alethic realist, but scientific antirealist. I believe in innate ideas, sense knowledge (I'm an indirect realist), and the primacy of divine revelation in Scripture. In ethics, I subscribe to traditional Christian morality, rooted God’s revealed law as the source and standard of personal and social ethics. I also subscribe to a supralapsarian theodicy. Although I’m not a Lutheran, a traditional Lutheran service suits my taste in the style of worship.

Philosophy theology art music.

Date: 2007/08/03 12:24:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
From his personal notes:

I believe in innate ideas, sense knowledge (I'm an indirect realist), and the primacy of divine revelation in Scripture.

From MY personal notes:  

I believe this says science stopper ("primacy of divine revelation is Scripture" does not leave a lot of room for discussion).  

I think someone should send him to UD, or Heddle's blog not here!

Date: 2007/08/03 13:02:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 03 2007,12:41)
So I'm thinking lunch here:

at 12:30?


Rich - Yes, this looks like a great place, but I thought we were doing drinks and/or dinner afterwords at Grace's?

Date: 2007/08/06 09:39:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Great fun over the weekend - I am sure great stories will follow.  As a brief teaser though, led my the intrepid richardhughes, Professor Darwin was rescued from the clutches of the evil Dr. Demski's vise, Professor Steve-Steve got to share a pint with Professor Darwin, and visit with some relatives at the Field Museum, although they didn't have a lot to say.   Professor Steve-Steve also met a couple of crazy cats that wanted to get to know him a lot better.

ATBC regulars RichardHuges, Kristine and J-Dog welcomed Nomad, Mrs. J-Dog and Erin too.

The Darwin Exhibit tour took just a little bit less than the Beagle voyage, so the ATBCers rewarded Professors Darwin and Steve-Steve with dinner and drinks, where a smashing-good time was had by all.

Date: 2007/08/06 11:17:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Kristine - Watch out Kristine - I see a trend developing here!  Since they were both Englishmen, who's next?  Austin Powers?  

I think ID predicts that the English are cleverly trying to take back their colonies by converting all Rebels to Crown Loyalists, so be careful you don't get swept up in their strategy!

Remember:  Just cuz they ar more intelligent, better looking and talk prettier than us Americans, don't make them better than us!

Date: 2007/08/06 13:15:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Louis - outstanding work - as usual.  I hope you don't mind that I appropriated one of your lines...

Most of the time I agree with k.e. - "poke them with a stick", but I do realize that engaging in dialogue ala this post is the best route to take for us civilized types.  

But, just so you know Louis, like I told Kristine earlier, just cuz you Brits are smarter, better looking and talk prettier than us Colonials, don't mean you're better than us.

Date: 2007/08/06 18:25:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Here Lenny - use mine.  I'm not using it right now, as I am now going through my "civilized" phase, but I am pretty sure I will want it back later.  Probably right after Pat Robertson makes another pronouncement, or sceptic makes another post.

Date: 2007/08/07 07:45:20, Link
Author: J-Dog
Mark Your Calendars for Chicago Museum Visit Part Deaux: Lucy!

"... other possible U.S. stops for the exhibit, including the Field Museum possibly in November 2009..."

from John Hawks "Lucy On The Road"

Date: 2007/08/07 15:40:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 07 2007,15:33)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 07 2007,15:24)
He's been showing that list in every other post he does for about six months now. There was a thorough debunking over at PT IIRC. He's doesn't bother reading the rebuttals, he's too busy posting it in some other forum. Creobot lies never die, they just get re-posted somewhere else.

Well I certainly wasn't claiming any of it was original.  I just hadn't seen so much of it in a single post in a while.

I think his mission is to distract the regulars from the thrashing Olaffson is giving kairosfoucus and Demsbski on the other thread.

Give Olaffson credit - he's still slapping them around, and he hasn't been banned yet!  Maybe DaveScot's Magic Ban Button is a poor design, and is currently not working.  Or maybe DaveScot is just too tied up in the middle of his latest experiment at the New ID Lab.

Date: 2007/08/08 15:40:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 08 2007,10:59)
Picture collectors... Do we have the live footage of Darwin's rescue yet?

I just IM'd you, but the problem seems to be that Kristine is now all loopy, instead of all sciency.  You shouldn't have talked to her with your damned English accent.  

She's going to have to hear the usual MN "you betchya" @ 100 more times, before she's back to normal I think.

Date: 2007/08/09 08:55:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 09 2007,00:18)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 07 2007,16:27)
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 07 2007,00:05)
My right cheek is available - the next bloke will be an American, I hope...

How about "anti-American"?

(big fat evil grin)

Of course!

But you're not against Ecuadorans, are you? (They're Americans too, you know.)

My right cheek is the one Luis kissed on the Santa Cruz in the Galapagos. :) Sorry, it isn't virginal...

What do you mean by loopy, J-Dog?

Kristine - Loopy:  Talking about kissing and stuff like that.

Date: 2007/08/09 09:09:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (lkeithlu @ Aug. 09 2007,09:02)
OMG He noticed!

Praise Jebus! It's a miracle!  Peter Olaffson has been disappeared!

Unless it's all street theater...

Date: 2007/08/09 09:14:49, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,09:10)
William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

Choose one or more of the following:

1.)  an Evil Atheistic Darwinista Conspiracy

2.) A friggin' Miracle - The Designer made Peter Olaffson disappear.

3.) DaveScot got carried away and pushed ALL the Bannnanator Buttons.

4.) Who Cares?  The last 3 weeks of UD are just like all the other weeks on UD.  A whole lot of hot air about nothing.


Date: 2007/08/09 10:40:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 09 2007,10:22)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 09 2007,10:06)
Why is it that Biologists run servers better than Engineers?

It is strange.  YouCantpost is almost as bad as UsuallyDown in that respect.  

Elsewhere at Young Comos, Thought Provoker is quietly kicking ass.

Hermagoras - That's funny!  Thanks for the link!  Thought provoker list 56 diffrent ways to date things for Sal.  

Sal responds:  "That's too many".

What else is YEC gonna say?  It must totally suck to be Sal!

Date: 2007/08/09 10:43:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Patrick responds to Dembski's WTF post:


10:40 am
I hope it can be recovered since a lot of the comments were very informative.

Dembski thinks:  Damn!  I hate informative.

Date: 2007/08/09 13:19:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 09 2007,13:04)
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,08:10)
William Dembski: What happened to the last three weeks at UD?

I just learned that the last three weeks of UD disappeared. I’m checking into what happened. –WmAD

Uhh...I just clicked on the link and got the 404 error page.

I do hope that it can be recovered, people - honestly - I have a knee-jerk horror of web pages disappearing, books crumbling unread on shelves and people throwing family bibles and tiny old devotionals into the trash or the "free" box at the estate sale - guess who gathers up this stuff...I have a fire-safe stuffed with tracts. I'm a theological librarian and don't even know it.

Praise Jesus Kristine - your prayers have been answered!
UD is up again, and Dembski is bragging about the Kevin Padian thread - it's the longest evar on UD - thanks to PO and the brain-dead sycophants at UD.

Welcome back. :)

Date: 2007/08/09 13:34:28, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 09 2007,11:43)
Just for fun, threads on Joe's blog that have Zachriel in the title.

Now That's funny!  I'm thinking that we  should all go over there as Zach, or Zachareal, Zach4real something like that, to post, but then I guess we'd all feel bad when he becomes the first documented case of spontaneous combustion.  

BTW Joe G: These domain names are still available:
Zachariel Makes Me Cry
Zachariel is a Big Meany
Zachariel Pwns Me

Date: 2007/08/09 15:53:39, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 09 2007,15:22)
Is This an Intelligent Design paper?

Jesus Christ on an effing crutch.  If Lennon were alive today, he'd bitch-slap Dembski and make him like it.

Date: 2007/08/09 20:07:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Aug. 09 2007,19:54)
FtK has actually asked me to go, leave her blog and never darken it's door again, foul one!!! (At least try to find this funny FtK, it IS meant as a joke.

So, I decided to post a very non joke reply to her telling me my anger towards her (she has only raised my blood pressure once, in the "WWII incident") has clouded my views on what she says. Actually it's the fact she will not listen to any refutations of her favourite "thats interesting" pontification areas that "clouds" my judgement and makes me think she is almost as uninterested in following the evidence as Sal "snake oil" Cordova.

"And, please don’t post here any more. Your anger has clouded your ability to consider anything I say without putting your own twist on it."

Anger? FtK my dear, I'm not angry. I appologise if I seem that way (although yes, I will admit, I am angry when it comes to certain things, not all of which are done by you) I am, in fact, intrigued as to why you don't think rebuttals are worth anything.

Imagine I say X.

You say not X because Y.

I say no, not Y because Z, and Z is backed up by A, B and C.

You don't reply, and just say not X.

Why are my points here not vaild? Yes, it's certainly a good idea to look for holes in new research, scientists do it all the time, it's called peer review. However, when the problems brought up are, to use a colloquialism from the US, hit right out of the field, why dismiss the rebuttals to them?

FtK, I wasn't stating that you are campaigning to have that darn evolution removed, no matter what you think of my opinion of you. However, I do think that anyone who claims to be open minded, and starts spouting off about how silly something is and how they just don't believe it could ever have happened, isn't that just a tad dishonest?

I mean, if you were really open minded, you would say "X seems ridiculous, why do you say it's true?"

If as a reply you get "because it is" then fine, kick the crap out of them all you want. However if you get substance in your reply, then analyse it, if you don't understand it ask. If you think you have seen a rebuttal submit it, it might not get a warm response but it should get an answer. If, however, you are told to go look at X, Y and Z, or are told why someones maths is faulty, or why their experiment was poor, don't just rubbish it right away.

Just because someone says something that sounds increadible doesn't mean they don't have evidence, and just because it's increadible doesn't mean the evidence is somehow more suspect.

Like I say, even if you don't let me talk here ever again, although I would be rather disappointed if you didn't let me respond to the whole USA saves the day brigade, assuming they reply to me, then at least tell me WHY you won't listen to the qualified scientists when they show you where things you bring up as problems are ripped apart.

Thus endeth (probably) my time at Reasonable Kansans. I shall mark the day with....well with nothing.

Ian - Congrats for sticking it out so long dude!  

I have been reading your FTK saga as it develops, and I have to say, IMO, you have gone far beyond the lengths a normal person could have in attempting to maintain a dialogue.  You deserve a medal.  Or a couple of years in therapy.

Tell her you're sorry, you still love her, and I'll bet she lets you come back.  Women like her always like bad boys.

Date: 2007/08/10 07:50:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Louis -Damn!  Too bad I do not know anyone on the Pullitzer Committee - Your 1,000 word essay makes more sense than some books I have read on the subject.  Yes, I think I will have to save it under "Death To Sceptic" or "Reason vs. Religion", something like that.
Seriously - good stuff - thanks.

Your learned sociological treatise about various cultures and their traditions should also be published, although your summary of the Scots needs to be edited:  "Scots (skirt wearing ponces, possible sheep shagging),".  I think that based on the obvious evidence that we can all agree to remove the weasel-word "possible", can't we?

Date: 2007/08/10 08:04:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ Aug. 10 2007,07:59)
JDOG to understand why the sun never set upon the British Empire you need to view this

The Masters Rugby Match

k.e. - I have this on my PC under "favorites".  

Some Americans realize that Rugby is a Real Sport, and "American football" is played by woosies that insist on wearing helmets and padding.  

Have you seen this?:

Date: 2007/08/10 08:28:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 10 2007,08:14)
I added a "Pariah" group that cannot post, but can PM, and changed FtK's membership to it.

Ahem... Shouldn't you have created a "Piranha" group?

Date: 2007/08/10 09:31:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ Aug. 10 2007,09:29)
"Oh well the Augustin route, wenching, drinking and blaspheming, then the discovery of God later in life" Gore Vidal on Malcolm Muggeridge  
- keep up the good work Louis.

Yeah.  Much better than the other way around...

Date: 2007/08/10 09:42:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
And in other news:

Peter Olaffson is still fighting the good fight with UD - up to Post #305

Overwhelmingly Dense has settled down to a posting rate @ 1 per 2 days.

Date: 2007/08/10 09:49:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
I finally viewed Nomad's pics last night - excellent!

He captured great detail on Professor Steve-Steve and his new best friend.

Date: 2007/08/10 14:41:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 10 2007,10:09)
Pah! Beers were had. Where was my invite? Hmmm. Where was my all expenses paid first class trip to Chicago to have a beer with you? Hmmm.

Frankly I don't think you are trying hard enough and as such when and if any of you come to the UK I shall only buy you one pint of cheap beer and no peanuts. So there.

Thinks it can fobs us off with mouldy photoses does it? No Precious it cannot. Wants beer with Yanks I does, yes Precious.



Well, we would have invited you, BUT we already had a token Brit...  just kidding - you could have flown over.  

Well, at least you get to visit the Real Darwin's Estate, not a mock-up of it.  

And anytime you want to fly over, I'll buy you a beer.

Hell of a deal for you !  


If you book now on BOAC, they'll give you a pound off the regular fare.  I'll take the beer out of the fridge now, so it will be nice and warm by 2009, just the way you English like them.  

See you then.

Date: 2007/08/10 14:52:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 10 2007,14:08)
Of course I wrote that. Your next comment here will explain how that argues against saltation. Good luck. -ds [/quote][/quote]
Um, yeah, good luck! What's his point? Does he mean saltationism (unorthodox adherence to sudden change as a primary evolutionary mechanism)?

He is obviously referring to what makes Cheesey Poofs the heavenly treat that it is for one Mr. David Scot Springer!  

As a true Cheesy Poofs afficianado, DaveScot knows how absolutely critical saltation is to the end product.  

The saltaton must be designed correctly and properly flagellated, so that when combined with the basic element Poofiness,  and when the Cheese is cut just right, then the Miracle Of Transubstantiation occurs, and his fingers are magically covered with tasty cheesy goodness.  

MMMMMM- The Miracle of The Cheesy Poofs

Date: 2007/08/10 15:31:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 10 2007,15:03)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 10 2007,14:52)
MMMMMM- The Miracle of The Cheesy Poofs

Funny, I don't recall that Cheesy-poof Transubstantiation was one of the original 5 Joyful Mysteries. I haven't kept up with the news; have there been other additions to the list?

You must not be a True Member of The First Church Of Cheesy Poofs - Reformed Synod, so Die Heretic Scum!

This is why religions would be the funniest thing in the whole entire world, if they weren't so damn scary.

Date: 2007/08/10 20:36:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 10 2007,19:14)
Being Casey Luskin

Category: Anti-Creationism
Posted on: August 10, 2007 5:09 PM, by Jason Rosenhouse

Sometimes I wonder what it is like to be a blogger for the Discovery Institute. Imagine the strain of getting up every morning, swallowing every ounce of pride and intellectual integrity you might possess, and searching desperately through the media for something, anything, you can present as hostile to evolution or favorable to ID. It's exhausting work. Yet somehow there are folks like Casey Luskin who seem not just able, but actually willing to do it

Jeez. It must suck to be Casey Luskin almost as much as it does to be Bill Dembski.  

We could have a Pathetic Loser contest between the two.  Some sort of mindless Reality TV show - it's perfect for them and their audience.

I can picture the red faces, the stuttering, the hillarity  that ensues when the Blond Bimbo asks them "So, Bill and Casey, please tell me, how many times have you have received a wedgie?  So, how many were from kids younger than you?  For extra Bonus Credit, How many times have you received a wedgie from a member of the opposite sex? (Bill, that means, like girls?  You know?"

This could be a true Show For The Ages.

Date: 2007/08/10 20:43:48, Link
Author: J-Dog
Excellent!  Good job all around.  So, is Richard, or Kristine going to do a "Guest Post" at Pandas?

Date: 2007/08/11 07:55:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
Louis - re: Abiogenesis - Thanks, excellent - even I could understand what you were saying (well, some of it).  Your analogy was the cherry on the cake though - Original creation?  So to speak...  :)

Date: 2007/08/12 12:53:14, Link
Author: J-Dog
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Hey!  I thought DaveScot was banned from posting here!

How come this private message for him, wound up here where everyone can...ummm... see it?

Date: 2007/08/12 13:08:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 12 2007,04:13)
If Prof Steve Came to England (great title for a book!) I'm sure we could take him to Down and/or the Natural History Museum. I'm equally sure a journal of the wonders of natural history he observed could be recorded. Possibly even in the style of Darwin's Beagle diaries.

Just a thought.


Darwin's Home or MSU?  I dare to dream big, and I say why not both?

I have been maintaining Prof Steve and his new bestest friend Prof Darwin, rescued my the Interpid ATBC crew fromn a the Crule, hearless and mnindless Evil Dr. Dr.'s Vise Strategy, but I must admit, I'm ready to pass them on.  

Prof Steve insists on only eating bamboo -  soaked and served in 40 year-old single-malt Scotch.

Prof Darwin, his new best friend and drinking-buddy, sings out loud all night long, well, attempts to sing anyway, crude English drinking songs, which he says he picked up a tatste for on his epic voyage.  He also insists on spending every waking moment looking for "Ltlle Lost Island Girls" wearing grass skirts, and then making sounds like lawn mower.

They are waaay too much the party animals for me - Time to send them on a 5 year voyage of discovery.  And, no, that does NOT mean Seattle.

Date: 2007/08/13 11:17:58, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (k.e @ Aug. 13 2007,10:48)
you forgot .....piggish, peeping, prying, puzzled, pornographic, profane, provocative,  poignant, potent, prepossessing, prankish, piquant, perky, porcine, prudish, piffling ponce!

BTW - Would that be a Phillipino, Prussian, or Philistine ponce?

Date: 2007/08/13 12:47:35, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 12 2007,23:52)
Featuring Bill Dembski opining,


Charles Darwin — the Chicago Cubs of famous scientists, always promising to win the big one (i.e., explain biological complexity), but always choking at crunch time. For the record, I’m a Chicago north-sider.

Wow!  Talk about projection!  Dembski just blasted himself - he must be filled with self-loathing and self-hatred.

For those of you that may not be baseball fans, THE CUBS PLAY ON THE NORTHSIDE!

So, here is what he actually said:  Dembski - the Chicago Cubs of IDiots -  always promising to win the big one (i.e., explain biological complexity), but always choking at crunch time. For the record, I’m a Chicago north-sider

Bill - For the record - You just admitted you are a total loser.  Which we knew, but thanks for making it official.

this tard may not be reproduced or rebroadcast without the express written consent of major-league ass-hats and IDiots.

Date: 2007/08/13 12:57:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
And in other dog-bites-man news, ID_FOR_THE KIDZ_BLOG Overwhelming Evidence is NOT getting overwhelmed with posts, as the "newest" post is now almost 5 days old.

Is it time to call the Guiness Book Of World Records yet?

Date: 2007/08/13 19:56:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
So, Hedle - Is it better to hate you, or hate your god, and why do you always make the Baby Zeus cry?

Date: 2007/08/14 10:46:04, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ Aug. 14 2007,10:38)
I doesn’t matter a whole lot to me, but this forum has your name on it. Is it acceptable, even on the bathroom wall, to call people pedophiles? Just curious as to whether there are any guidelines here. I asked you once by email but you didn’t respond.

First of all the phrase “Total Depravity” is not in the bible, and most reformed thinkers will tell you it does not send an accurate message—that Original Sin is more nuanced than something that can be summed up in the simple phrase “Total Depravity.” As stated somewhere in this thread, the TULIP acronym is not a particularly good one.

And Total Depravity is not, as you wrote, applied to individual acts. It is a description of the extent man’s fallen state. And it is not “Utter Depravity” either. It does not argue that man is as sinful as he can possibly be.

Augustine put it this way: that unregenerated fallen man “cannot choose not to sin.” C. S. Lewis said something similar when he wrote that he never had a selfless thought. Thus “Total Depravity” or Original Sin speaks of an inability, not just an unwillingness, to please God.

Total Depravity sends a wrong message, that atheists are sitting around with vile thoughts, plotting how to commit heinous acts, when of course the truth is that most atheists are by human standards good and moral people who do wonderful acts of charity. Original Sin argues, however, that at the deepest level those deeds are ultimately self-centered and not meritorious (before God) although I certainly appreciate them.

You are correct that hate, as meant here, means total rejection—or rebellion—as opposed to a seething emotional response. I find the word “antipathy” describes the observational state of most atheists (all of whom are rejecting God, all of whom are in rebellion)—but I’ll not insist that it is the perfect word.

People say they hate this or that all the time when they are not particularly emotional about the target. You can call that HYPERBOLE with all caps, but it doesn’t matter, usage is king. But, given your boorish mannerisms here, it wouldn’t surprise me if, at a cocktail party, if someone should casually mention that they hate, say, American football that you’d argue with them: no that is not the correct use of the word hate, thats just HYPERBOLE.

Heddle - No.  You are 100% wrong.  LOUIS did not call you a paedophile - GOD called you a paedophile.  

Louis was only His instrument on Earth chosen to pass on His divine message.

Don't be such a hater.  And stop making Baby Zeus cry.

edited for spelling!

Date: 2007/08/14 10:51:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
First Karl Rove, now FTK.  When will the bleeding stop for Bush and the Rethuglicans?

Date: 2007/08/14 10:56:22, Link
Author: J-Dog
Shouldn't "skeptic" be changed to
"Not a skeptic", or maybe "I'll believe any old thing if it's in a dusty old book"?

Aren't there Truth In Advertising laws anymore?

Date: 2007/08/14 11:04:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 14 2007,09:47)
UD warming up to denial:


Granville Sewell


5:33 am

This is not my blog, so I can only suggest, but I suggest you create a separate blog to discuss global warming.

This issue has become widely associated with ID, not only in this blog but worldwide, even though it really has nothing to do with ID. Of course I understand the similarities: in both cases we have a scientific majority that is more driven by politics or philosophy than science, that has convince the main-stream media that the debate is over, when it is obviously not over, and uses heavy-handed tactics to root out dissent.

It couldn't possibly be a clueless minority!

However, there is one very important difference: the is a slight chance the majority might be right on the global warming issue; there is no chance they are right on the other issue.


I'm getting worried... A UD post on The Global Warming Conspiracy, 13 comments, and no DaveScot!

Did he get trapped in the fall out from the Collapse of FTK's Blog?  Should we call Faux News and get Geraldo on this ASAP?

Date: 2007/08/14 11:08:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Reed A. Cartwright @ Aug. 14 2007,11:03)

Go ahead and send him to Wesley.  We can get him to England again in a few months.

Roger, Reed.  Will do.  I will PM Wesley and get the address.

Date: 2007/08/14 11:28:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 14 2007,11:10)
Quote (heddle @ Aug. 14 2007,08:31)
Reciprocating Bill,

No, you are effectively insisting that hate has one meaning: a seething, jaw-clenched, emotional rage. But even in common usage we can hate things that we are not overly emotional about. When people find out one of my interests, they often tell me that they hate NASCAR. Do they think about it much, know much about it, or are deeply emotional about it? Probably no, no, and no. Many such examples exist. I love the Rolling Stones. I hate the Beatles. I am emotional about neither. So the common usage does not demand strong emotions—although it obviously doesn’t preclude it. As I wrote before, the synonym antipathy is probably the closest feeling.

As for whether people are lying, I am certainly not accusing anyone of that. I absolutely believe that you don’t believe you hate God.

Goddamnit this shit sets me off – I absolutely hate this stuff, I’ll tell you that, Heddle, dearie. My parents would go on vacation to visit relatives and end up arguing about the Bible at the kitchen table (they sure knew how to party) – everyone who is not a Christian is lost, everyone else is wrong, why is the world so scary and dark, etc. – and then I committed the cardinal sin of growing up, leaving home (I was supposed to move back home after college, I’m not kidding you), becoming a bohemian and they wigged out – OMG we must get her back, rescue her, she's screwing up her life, and there they were so unhappy, my family still so unhappy – crap I’m sick of it!

Is it possible that believers hate reality? Reality, their bodies, their needs, their passions? Because that's the biggest message I ever got from religion - people love God because they inexplicably hate themselves, and don't want to accept reality as it is. Well, I can understand that, totally! I’ve read enough over at Uncommon Descent to achieve some understanding, even a little sympathy, for what their objections to evolutionary theory are – that it’s not a nice story (and it’s not), that its chief sculptor is death and differential reproduction, that its chief architect is random mutation – hell, who wouldn’t rebel against such ideas? But I rebel against them by acknowledging them. Dawkins calls for that in the final sentence of The Selfish Gene, does he not?

Heddle, who (theist or atheist) doesn’t have at some level a hate-relationship with reality?

What do you want from people anyway? I never though it possible that you were as simplistically dualist as the poor folks over at UD. I've thought of you as a friend. What do you mean by “hate” anyway? I cannot truly hate anyone that I don’t in some respects love. (Okay I hate Osama bin Laden – because he’s a human being – by all accounts a gifted human being who could have turned out differently – a man who grew up in a culture that I love/hate, and who hates the things that I love in that culture and who loves the things that I hate about that culture.) There’s no such thing as absolute evil or absolute hatred, or love that never feels anger and yes, hatred. You’re a married man, right? Don’t you know this? Don’t you ever feel angry love or hate-love?

I don’t give enough of a shit about God to hate God. As far as I’m concerned if God were to exist S/He should worship human beings. In all their splendor and ugliness. You don’t know what’s inside me, Heddle, any more than my family does or cares to. Is that hatred, or is that indifference? No, they're not the same thing.

Are you really talking about yourself?

Kristine - You are not playing fair - good looking AND smart, and you are making one heck of a lot of sense!

Date: 2007/08/14 12:06:57, Link
Author: J-Dog
This just in:


Date: 2007/08/14 12:12:55, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 14 2007,11:13)

Richard - And once again we have witnessed Macro-Evolution in process - and only the fittest survive.  

Where fittest = Most Likely To Agree With Tard.

Date: 2007/08/14 12:21:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
We just found another picture of the recent ATBC Chicago Meet-up - including a "richardhughes" photo.  I was going to send a link to FTK on her blog, but oh.  wait - she'll just have to be satisfied with this sexy-hawt shot.

And for all of you other ATBC guys out there.   Yeah.  Angie IS that hot in person.   And she LOVES Darwin.

edited:  Sorry about the picture being so damn small.  I couldn't figure out how to make it bigger.

Date: 2007/08/14 13:13:42, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (heddle @ Aug. 14 2007,12:51)
"Atheists hate god" is not ok.

"I believe, based on my understanding of scripture and my faith, that atheists hate god" is ok.

Sorry, unlike you, it is not my style to be pedantic. However, if that solves the problem,
by all means feel free to mentally insert the (meant-to-be-implied-and-the-apparently-mistakenenly-assumed
-obvious-but-I-guess-not-sorry-my-bad) qualifier:  "In my opinion," before every sentence of mine that I write anywhere, at any time.

No. You miss the point Heddle.  Again.  If we do what you suggest, then we are just like you, something that I would like to avoid at all costs.  

You must enter the qualifier, not us.  Each time.  And saying "I just did" doesn't really cut it.

Try it.  You can do it.  And stop making Baby Zeus cry!

Date: 2007/08/14 13:21:09, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's not Uranium Sal is concerned about it's Radium!

The Evil Evolutionist Conspriracy, has forced Timex to corner the market, to keep IDists and YECers from doing the vital experiments that will PROVE  their talking points, I mean theory.   And just like Sal, they take a licking and keep on ticking.


Date: 2007/08/14 14:40:59, Link
Author: J-Dog
To All The Usual Suspects:  
I will be out for the next few days having a Fun Family Vacation, so please keep Heddle in line for me.  

May Zeus Be With You.

Date: 2007/08/14 20:29:16, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 14 2007,20:03)
Quote (steve_h @ Aug. 14 2007,18:57)
Therefore christians have strong feelings about god, which we may refer to as hatred. I.e Christians hate god, Muslims hate god, Buddhists hate god, followers of Thor hated god --- everyone alive hates god and everyone dead hated God.

Seems to me God's time would be better spent figuring out why so many people dislike him so much.

The hell with that!  God's time would be much better spent getting me the damn winning lottery numbers!

Date: 2007/08/14 20:44:25, Link
Author: J-Dog

This just in from UD -


"Might the earth’s climate be intelligently designed? An awful lot of unlikely factors conspire to keep it in a range conducive not just to life but to an industrial civilization of 6 billion (and growing) large mammals. Every time we think we can’t feed ourselves something good happens - like now - CO2 levels are rising into a more productive and water-efficient growth regime for crops, growing seasons are getting longer, and formerly frozen land is becoming arable."

He's totally over the edge now, and someone should send a unit over now for immediate intervention.  Excessive Cheesy Poof ingestion has claimed another promising not-so-young autodidact.

Date: 2007/08/20 18:19:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Under the "More Of This" Heading:

More Predictions Please!

From the Wedge Doc's crushed ambitions to Dembski's Death Of Darwinism in 10 Years, (now down to 9 - thank you Kristine for keeping track) you have ALWAYS failed to produce anything... except for more Bwa-Ha Ha's from us.

Who among us now does not remember DaveTard "hisself's" pre-Dover prediction with a smile in our hearts?    

Who among us now does not recall with equal joy Demsbksi's ID will have a Major Laboratory soon?
(Did he mean "lavatory" perhaps?

So, all you Loyal UDers.. please predict!  We know you can do it.  It's front-loaded, so let it all out - the Designer clearly designed it that way.

Under the "Less Of This":

Please do not show any more pictures of Denyse.


Thank You.

Date: 2007/08/20 18:27:41, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Aug. 20 2007,17:27)
Nor can you disabuse me of my beliefs because to do so would require me to deny that which I already know.

Wrong. You don't know these things:
What I'm saying is I believe in these things and accept them to be real even though I can provide no evidence that they exist.

By your own admission, you believe these things without, or in spite of, evidence. That is not knowing.

And you have not provided any sort of argument as to why we should care one whit about your religious opinions or what in Falwell they have to do with the rift between science and reliigion. You start out claiming there are these two, equally valid ways of knowing, and end with admitting that one way isn't knowing at all.


Yes.  Lame is the word skeptic.

Louis writes a damn fine book answering you, defining terms, and doing his usual splendid upper-crust English curmudgeon act, up-dated for this century with a "fuckwit" thrown in for your benefit, and you write a two paragraph "Ooops, sorry, I was kidding" excuse for not answering? What?

Sorry old boy, we just can't have this, don't you know.  

You know what you have to do.

(Skeptic leaves room.  Sound of religious discusion with Heddle erupts through closed door...)

Date: 2007/08/21 13:16:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Aug. 21 2007,12:13)
Anyone want to play ID bingo?

Yes, I have too much time on my hands...

p.s. also taking suggestions for improvements to the categories...

Excellent - BUT you got to lable the X & Y axis!

Date: 2007/08/22 11:14:34, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 22 2007,08:24)
Experience British Dining, or An American Gourmand in London

Funny stuff... and probably 90% true.  It reminds me of a scene in European Vacation where Chevy Chase as Clark Griswold from Chicago pulls out a translation dictionary to try and understand what the English clerk says to him at a hotel.

I would expect Richard to have stories to tell about Bad American Service too.

Date: 2007/08/22 11:16:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
BTW - Could the original post be from AFDave?

Date: 2007/08/22 21:32:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Aug. 22 2007,20:31)
Sorry for length... this turned into a good break from writing thesis...

edit: removed some snarkyness... ?no reason to be snarky

Good arguments, you make a heck of a lot more sense than KF ever will, but I say "Keep the Snarkiness"!

We have to put up with all their tard, so they can put up with some snark.  I believe that further research will reveal that snark cures tard, like a rock cures scissors, and paper cures rock.

Date: 2007/08/23 09:40:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Baptists For Brownbeck - definitely satire!  The other one probably, but not sure - of course the key to good satire is the belivability.  

And I wouldn't put it past a Karl Rove to create a
"GL Group For Hillary" PAC in 2008.  

Nomad - Intelligent Falling brought to us by The Onion.

Date: 2007/08/23 09:55:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think that UD should post more pictures of Dr. Dembski dancing with Rev Ted Haggard.

Date: 2007/08/23 10:06:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2007,09:47)
I'm still not convinced.. look at all the commentators..

Rich - I posted a couple of comments at the Dominationist site... see what develops, but I am 90% sure it's a parody, and somehow related to the Baptist's For Brownbeck site.  (One clue is that the Bap 4 Brownbeck site has condemned the Dominationist site.)

Date: 2007/08/23 10:09:50, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (franky172 @ Aug. 23 2007,10:01)
Actually, you're right, snark most definitely is the cure for tard, but for a dose of levity, does paper really cure rock?

franky - That's a beautiful thing.  I stand corected.

Date: 2007/08/23 10:28:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2007,10:18)


Richard - Since she's in England, I guess we really have to turn Lynelle's conversion over to Louis and Ian.  If she were real, she'd be an English FTK!

Date: 2007/08/23 10:56:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 23 2007,10:33)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 22 2007,14:24)
Experience British Dining, or An American Gourmand in London

Insular, American fuck finds world is not like America, whines about it.

Film at eleven.


P.S. If travel broadens the mind it failed in this case. I feel about Americans who do this the way I feel about Brits who go to Spain for the fish and chips: STAY THE FUCK HOME. Guess what, there are those of us who travel and...uhuh...ENJOY the differences! Wow, what a concept. I realise that there are roughly 250 million people on this planet who think that the USA is the epitome of everything good, but there are roughly 60 million people who think that the UK is, and about the same who think that France is etc. Guess what? They're all wrong!

Fuck it, I'm in a mood. It must be this haircut. I see it and think that someone has to die.

(I'm only kidding by the way)

P.P.S. There are excellent aspects of American dining culture which should under no circumstances be repeated in the UK. I cite Hooters as one example. A pneumatic blonde arrives at your table and says "Hi, I'm CanDI? I'll be your waitRESS? Would you like fries with THAT?", this works. A barely literate scrubber from Solihull slouches up to your table in a boob tube and in a deep Brummie accent drawls "Yow want froiz?", this does not work. The Americans do some things very well. Not merely Hooters. They do not all translate.

Travel DOES broaden the mind, and sometimes the stomach. ?Ever since that Fateful Trip To Monreal, (the biggest French speaking city in the world BTW after Paris) I have always eschewed ketchup on fries, and instead have ordered fries with malt vinegar.

No. ?Wearing a beret would be silly.  Unless I had a bad haircut.  :)

Date: 2007/08/23 11:05:15, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2007,10:52)
Pretending to be Sal:

Found trapped in zircon crystals in the Jack Hills region, the small gems are the oldest identified fragments of the Earth's crust and their existence suggests the Earth may have cooled faster than previously thought, experts said on Wednesday.

Looks like diamonds are NOT Sal's best friend.

Date: 2007/08/23 13:26:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Aug. 23 2007,12:56)
Rocket is no longer with us. ?WmAD

Do not seek to know the identity of the Designer, ever.
So saith [redacted]!

And later in the post, we have a post from old friend and Seeker -Of- Truth FTK applauding the bannation.  Jesus Christ has she sunk herself in the mire.

Date: 2007/08/23 14:34:36, Link
Author: J-Dog
Satire for sure:

Hipple, Rev. Paul T. Says:

August 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 pm
I believe you are the Serpent Demon, ?preacher? j-dog, who is here to tempt me from MY SAVIOR, the Lord, God and Jesus of Christ.

I got my divinity degree fast, only took about 8 days, start to finish, by mail. Even with the rumored speed of the interwebs, I don?t believe you could completely convert from your secular progressive tendencies AND get a preacher diploma in just a couple of hours.

I have asked for emergency prayers for your soul from the good but criminally misguided people at Baptists for Brownback, which is almost certainly already damned, though it is not for me to say.

Luke 4:8, ?Worship the Lord your God and answer him only.?

Date: 2007/08/23 14:46:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2007,13:39)
Post 100, can any of you guys top that? ?:p[/quote]
Blow your own trumpet!

I did!

Ah!  That was vintage posting at its finest!  Once I started, I couldn't stop, and had to read the entrire thread again.

Excellent.  For posterity's sake, it should be stored in a Time Capsule at World Darwinist Headquarters.  

I for one, would like to see the CAPTAIN Of CAPS come out of Retirement, and re-float the Mobile Command Center.

What about it Steve?  Can we turn the Tardmeister loose again?

Date: 2007/08/24 10:11:10, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 24 2007,08:38)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 24 2007,00:24)
I never prohibited anyone from the fake creationist posts. I just personally thought it was a joke that had run dry long ago, like the last 30 minutes of Night at the Roxbury.


Richard - Good to see you hve the Sgt DaveScot Springer channelling back - and the jebus-hating materialist darwinistas say their is NO ESP!!! YOU PROVED THEM WRONG AGIN!

most of us God-Fearing Creo's and IDC Tardists like to HAVE to CAPITALIZE to emphasize EXTRA GOOD.


Semper Fi

Date: 2007/08/24 12:33:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
It's now knowlegde that I am Napolean.[/quote]
I am Napoleon!

Ooops.. wrong movie...

Date: 2007/08/24 12:36:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 24 2007,11:37)
This fella is an engineer:

I am a 35 year practicing engineer and work with permutations of these laws daily. I?m glad they are there or I couldn?t do my job!!

1. The second law of thermodynamics and the law of entropy preclude creation without a creator.
2. The laws of probability preclude even one simple protein strand from assembling itself (if 1/10^50 is commonly accepted as the level of absolute impossibility, the odds of a single very small protein assembling itself is in the range of 1/10^150), let alone complex proteins or a DNA chain.
3. The law of irreducible complexity precludes gradual evolution of innumerable living constructions.
4. The law of information is absolute proof of intelligent design. These learned men would scoff at anyone claiming the Encyclopedia Britannica (do they still sell those door-to-door or even publish it any longer or is it all on the web now?) spontaneously assembled itself. However they have no problem believing a strand of DNA, a compilation of precise information that makes the Britannica look like a Dr. Seuss book, just decided to come together one day.

Please, please don't 'engineer' anything that the public might use..

From his ramblings, it looks like he is perfectly suited to design bridges like the 35W in MN.

Although I have to admit, at least he didn't bring a banana to his argument...

Date: 2007/08/24 13:18:02, Link
Author: J-Dog
And coincidently, isn't today the First Day of Open Hunting Season in Texas on overweight, moronic autodidacts?

Hope you get to bag your limit for your birthday, you old clown.

Date: 2007/08/24 13:20:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 23 2007,15:07)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 23 2007,08:55)
I think that UD should post more pictures of Dr. Dembski dancing with Rev Ted Haggard.

Done! Lap Dance anyway - with consideration for Dr. Dr.'s frail frame. (Dembski's in the front row.) :D

Kristine - How did you get the camera past the Floating Command Post security for the last Super Secret ID Policy Meeting?

Date: 2007/08/24 14:05:38, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 24 2007,13:29)
All of the previous Qs are good. But you guys forgot the most FA of the FAQs - "What is your opinion about the age of the earth?"

And the FTK Correct Answer is:

Anywhere between 6,000 years and 6.0 billion years.

Date: 2007/08/24 14:09:31, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 24 2007,14:05)
ID hypothesis?

...yet I would argue that if you blindly believe in the ?true God? then your faith will soon be rewarded with tangible miracles that let you know that the living God is in your life and thus proof of its truthfulness.

We just need to firm up "tangible miracles" a bit. I think my definition might be a bit more impressive that his..

Yeah.  "bornagain" is one of the tardiest posters left at UD... Anyone that always capitalizes the word "Truth" is going to be leaving a Large Tard Footprint (LTF)

Date: 2007/08/24 14:34:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Ah Ha! - Lightbulb goes on - beautifully done Lenny.

So.  The REAL $10,000 question then is:  Granted that both Louis and Lenny are right, where do we go from here?  

(No.  Sorry.  NOT you skeptic... You go over there and be quiet, and get in the same line that UD's bornagain77 is in...).

This discussion is for the big boys.  This is good stuff, not your bible - Big Juju stuff...

Date: 2007/08/24 15:37:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 24 2007,15:18)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 24 2007,12:20)
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 23 2007,15:07)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 23 2007,08:55)
I think that UD should post more pictures of Dr. Dembski dancing with Rev Ted Haggard.

Done! Lap Dance anyway - with consideration for Dr. Dr.'s frail frame. (Dembski's in the front row.) :D

Kristine - How did you get the camera past the Floating Command Post security for the last Super Secret ID Policy Meeting?

I smuggled it in my **UnChristian Words Removed**, since I?m using it. :)

I love it when you use all those unChristian words!

Date: 2007/08/24 15:49:21, Link
Author: J-Dog
EEWWWWW - For what It's Worth:

Bolt-Ons For Coulter... (I like the comment that says she should have saved some dollars for her face...)

Date: 2007/08/24 20:33:06, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 24 2007,17:37)
What a waste of money. A lobotomy would have been so much cheaper and benefitted society much more.

So what makes you think she has NOT had a lobotomy?

Date: 2007/08/24 20:46:00, Link
Author: J-Dog
I think that what they would really, really like is for the knuckelhead UD posters (and moderator) to be more like us, and for ATBC posters to be more like the cretins that habituate UD.

It's the only chance they have of winning actually.

And it is NOT going to happen. ?We're too smart and good-looking, and they're too dumb and have body-odor and/or excessive cheesy poof stains.

Man, it must suck to be them. ?Believing in a Designer that built them for planned obsolescence and the scrap heap of history.

Date: 2007/08/26 19:59:52, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 26 2007,18:28)
So is Davison like a parahna to both current science and the ID/C movement?


As a matter of fact, Davison is so pathetic he could even be a pirahia to paranhas.

Date: 2007/08/26 20:13:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 26 2007,19:31)
Do you think this caused my extra screening? Anybody else had this experience?

Steve - The Top Five List of Things that lead to extra screening:

5.  Oh I am so sorry officer.  I left my ID back at the Mosque.

4.  Could please speed this up?   I left my camel double parked outside.

3.  No!  That is NOT my Koran!  Mine is much nicer and more well used.

2.  Death to George Bush and Death to Dick Cheney tatoos.

1.  "My other camel is a car bomb" bumper sticker.

Date: 2007/08/27 08:34:11, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (GCT @ Aug. 26 2007,15:04)
When people point to religious excess or wars, things like the Inquisition, 30 Years War, Crusades etc come up. Hey folks, the most recent of these is 400 years ago and even these were mostly political or in the case of the Crusades, self defense.[/quote]

Crusades = self defense!

So that's why the Crusaders invaded the Holy Land!

I guess they were looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction too?

Holy Allah Batman!  What kind of hashish is this turd-brain smoking?

Date: 2007/08/27 21:12:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 27 2007,14:55)
9 posts in the last 3 weeks!!!!oneoneoneone

And tomorrow marks the one week anniversary of the last comment! ?TaDa! ?

Date: 2007/08/28 09:21:26, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 28 2007,08:08)
I have faith that you have enough faith to have faith that cows have faith.



Since every steak I eat in the future will have had faith, therefore, you have unwittingly added millions to the Christian pantheon of martyers.

Congratulations! ?

BTW - I like mine medium rare.

Date: 2007/08/28 19:25:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
Recent history tells us that these were sent to us by mistake.  They were obviously supposed to go to some high-ranking members of the Bush Administration, or GW's "close personal friend" William Dembksi.

Date: 2007/08/29 10:24:56, Link
Author: J-Dog
This is just another case of it's just too bad that there really isn't a Big Sky JuJu.  He/She could appear in a Holy Vision to FTK and tell her that they were just messin' with her, and to finally use her brain to get a clue.  Of course if that could happen, he may as well poof away hunger, aids, Dembski-DaveScot-ID and similar plagues upon humanity.

Date: 2007/08/29 13:31:46, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 29 2007,12:53)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 29 2007,18:48)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 29 2007,12:43)
In the interest of erm "science" I thoroughly checked out each and every link and picture on a specially safety protected PC.

I can safely say that all the porn we are being spammed with is crap. Call those lesbian teenagers? I'LL show you lesbian teenagers...

...I seem to have wandered off the point somewhat.

Don't click the links! The pr0n it is a lie!


Louis, if you ever quit this board to "spend more time with your family", we'll know it's a lie.

I should point out that my family is standing by me throughout this unfortunate period. I am not ashamed of what I have done, with the help of Tom Cruise and L Ron Hubbard, my addiciton to pr0n can be cured.

Xenu be praised


Louis - Why do you make the Baby Zeus cry?

Date: 2007/08/29 15:42:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 29 2007,15:39)




3:30 pm
WinglesS those verses you point out can have different meanings in the original hebrew...

All science so far!

Next court case, just show folks UD...

Verily I say unto thee that thou has nailed it.

Date: 2007/08/30 09:17:01, Link
Author: J-Dog
Oldman - Excellent! ?Thanks for taking the time with the tard and passing on the fisking.

In other news, I can see why ERV (Abbie) got banned at UD - Proving DaveScot wrong. In comment #25, Dave accuses Abbie of not even having read Behe's Edge of Evo, and in comment #46, Abbie has her copy in front of her and asks Dave to read along with her....

I would love to have a UTube of the resulting explosion...

I would say that the Nixplanatory Filter calls for the resulting sacrifice of 4 bags of Cheesy Poofs to placate the Volcano Gods and calm the voices in Davey's head.

Date: 2007/08/30 09:20:29, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 29 2007,21:51)
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 29 2007,20:52)
Re "Louis - Why do you make the Baby Zeus cry? "

Yeah, don't upset a deity what might throw a thunderbolt or two your way if he gets reeeeeeally miffed! ;)


Pfffft. ?I bet Thor can beat up Zeus.

Odin, all the way baby!

Date: 2007/08/30 11:05:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Could Sal, the self-avowed ID Commando Commander be on Davey's future hit-list?  He has had the temerity to try and drive a wedge between himself and Mr. DaveTard on Abbie's ERV blog, trying to establish the dichotomy of himself as the Good Guy, searching for knowledge, and Davey as the Bad-Guy Thug, searching for blood.

Sorry, Sal.  It's just not working for me...

Date: 2007/08/30 12:36:40, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 30 2007,11:23)
DaveTard says..

In fact this is what is revealed by computer simulations of RM+NS.

GilTard says

Beware of Question-Begging Computer Simulations

16 March 2007
Don?t Trust Computer Simulations And Models That Can?t Be Tested Against Reality

Richard - Excellent example of typical UD/ID Hypocrisy™ and Bad Thinking™.  

To be entirely fair however, Gil's post was created, I mean "designed" only one day before The Holiest Day Of The Year - St. Patrick's Day - and he was probably thinking about drinking his first bottle of Jameson's.

Date: 2007/08/30 13:51:45, Link
Author: J-Dog
Burning Up The Bandwidth

Overwhelming Everdense has not had a comment in 10 days, which means that they have generated 10 comments in 24 days.  

Nice numbers... BWA Ha HA Ha!

Date: 2007/08/30 13:53:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 30 2007,13:33)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 30 2007,13:24)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 30 2007,13:13, quoting slimy sal)
Yes. I am studying through the Whiting School of Engineering, and only got my acceptance confirmed 2 days ago.

That figures...

Reminds me of when people choose sides for sports teams. ?Who was always picked last?

Yeah!  What's up with that?!  Did he have to qualify by taking a remedial reading class first?  Shouldn't he have been expected to pass it first?

Date: 2007/08/31 10:26:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 31 2007,10:02)
I'm also tickled pink by the idea Lenny has that because someone is annoyed with him he must be right. Hasn't it occurred to him that someone can be annoyed with him because he is wrong?

Rather strikes me that, as with Skeptic, Lenny views discussion as some child's game in which gainsaying the other person is what counts.

Ooops Lenny. No. Do grow up, there's a good lad. Haven't you seen Monty Python? An argument is a series of connected statements designed to establish a premise. You want "Running away, projection and failing to adequately address a single point of someone's argument." That's down the corridor. It's ok Lenny, you'll have company, Skeptic's in the same room.

Of coirse any time you're willing to grow a pair and deal with my actual arguments and stop projecting like a whiny child, let me know. I'll be waiting.

Incidentally, this is mockery, try to learn to distinguish it from annoyance. There's a good boy.


What I think this thread is about to evolve into:

From the Monty Python Argument Sketch:

M:   Well, I was told outside that...
Q:   Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M:   What?
Q:   Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M:   Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q:   OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M:   Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q:   Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M:   Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q:   Not at all.
M:   Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

Date: 2007/08/31 12:30:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 31 2007,12:26)
Off topic, why was that cat doing that? My cats never stand up and hold their paws over their ears.

Well, Arden, I guess your cats just weren't designed correctly then. :)

Date: 2007/08/31 12:43:17, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 31 2007,12:10)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 31 2007,12:08)
Okay, I give up. What the dickens IS that?


So, sports fans, what gives us the best metric for trying to quantify the lack of interest in ID -

1.  The Overwhelmingly Everdense posting rate, or

2.  Pandemonium rankings -   Only 70 !!!??? names listed since it started over a year ago?  And a lot of them have anti-ID names....

Maybe I will go and play as "Demski Sucks", or "DScotizstoopid" to defeat the filters...

Date: 2007/08/31 14:44:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
My first car. Bought is used and 12 years old.  Those canvas side-curtains and button snap top were perfectly designed for those long cold Mid-Western winters.  

Date: 2007/08/31 14:56:53, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 31 2007,13:20)
Latest post at Young Cosmos: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:23 pm.

Between Overwhelming Evidence and Young Cosmos, who will win for the least activity? ?

Overwhelmingly Dense is perfectly designed to be just as tardariffic as Jung Homos, I mean Young Cosmos.

I would suspect that most of Sal's posters would be a lot like Cosmo Kramer...

Date: 2007/08/31 15:06:51, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 31 2007,13:14)
ADDED IN EDIT. P.S. The previous post should have read "Good point. I hope so too. I WAS WRONG. I made a bad argument of equivalence and you showed me where the error was and I admit it unreservedly". I think that might be an example people could use in these situations. ;)

Louis - Wouldn't this work better?

"I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future. "

(from a Fish called Wanda)

At the risk of starting another long argument, I mean discussion, it occurs to me that everything that I DO believe in and hold to be utterly true, has been said by Monty Python, or a Monty Python graduate.

I am not sure what this means, nor do I think I want to know.

Date: 2007/08/31 18:11:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 23 2007,12:45)
Apropos of nothing at all, an image that says it all.

Damn!  How'd they get my picture?

Date: 2007/08/31 19:20:19, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 31 2007,17:29)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 31 2007,14:44)
My first car. Bought is used and 12 years old. ?Those canvas side-curtains and button snap top were perfectly designed for those long cold Mid-Western winters. ?

My first car was a '73 MG Midget, that I bought in '79.

It was in the shop every weekend, it seemed.

But I drove it almost ten years.

I had the same weekly vist plan!  The wire wheels were the biggest problem.

BTW - Your current transportation looks a little less expensive to operate, but about the same amount of fun.  It might even have more power, since as I recall Midgets were low in horsepower.

Date: 2007/08/31 19:26:25, Link
Author: J-Dog
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

I think krabs is actually some one famous!  Someone that might have a lot more time on his hands very, very soon.  Someone that you might want to be careful around if they start toe tapping, and someone that swears they are not gay.  How about a BIG ATBC round of applause for Senator Craig!  Come on y'all give it up for the Senator... I mean krabs!

Date: 2007/09/01 08:44:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 31 2007,22:31)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 31 2007,11:05)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Aug. 31 2007,09:12)
? ?
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 29 2007,21:51)
? ? ?
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 29 2007,20:52)
Re "Louis - Why do you make the Baby Zeus cry? "

Yeah, don't upset a deity what might throw a thunderbolt or two your way if he gets reeeeeeally miffed! ;)


Pfffft. ?I bet Thor can beat up Zeus.

Punchline: You're Thor? I'm tho thor I can hardly pith.
Make up your own joke.

Rectum? It nearly killed him!

Don't forget to tip your waitress!

I keep seeing this punchline, but what's the joke?


Little Johnny's teacher asked him how the weekend went.

He told her, "Horribly, a car hit my dog in the ass."

She corrected him replying, "rectum."

Johnny said, "Wrecked him? Damn near killed him!!"

Date: 2007/09/01 12:20:44, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2007,12:09)
They should merge with ICON-RIDS and form the ISCID-PCID-EIL-ICON-RIDS Institute for IC and CSI.


What they should really do is admit that they got nothing, cash it all in and get real jobs.  They should apologize to all of us for wasting our time, and take the big pot of money that the DI has stashed and throw a Funeral For ID Party.

Date: 2007/09/01 12:45:43, Link
Author: J-Dog
From PZ's blog:

Albatrossity - I like your "Say No To UD Day" idea. Why don't you suggest it at ATBC, pick a date or two, and we'll see what happens.

We might also consider doing this via PM, so we don't tip our hand, and it will be more of a surprise... Too bad we missed Dr. Dr. Demsbski's birthday. Anybody know when Davey's is?

I started a new post topic about this - please post about it on the new thread

Date: 2007/09/01 12:47:54, Link
Author: J-Dog
Albatrossity posted an idea on PZ's blog that I think we could consider, since I think that WE provide most of the traffic at UD...

Albatrossity - I like your "Say No To UD Day" idea. Why don't you suggest it at ATBC, pick a date or two, and we'll see what happens.

We might also consider doing this via PM, so we don't tip our hand, and it will be more of a surprise... Too bad we missed Dr. Dr. Demsbski's birthday. Anybody know when Davey's is?

Please discuss and post.

Date: 2007/09/01 21:20:13, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yep. ?It was just street theater... The following words just magically appeared on UD -

"{For heaven?s sake people, THIS IS A P-A-R-O-D-Y!!}"

But this is bad news for UD - They just destroyed another sock puppet for their cheap theatrics.

Guess Davey will just have to design another sock puppet.

added in edit:  That should be Mr. Dr. Bill designing the new sock puppet.  Sorry For picking on you Dave!

Date: 2007/09/02 12:24:12, Link
Author: J-Dog
Please have a happy birthday, and cold one or two, as you relax and watch the Crash and Burn of UD.

Oh, the humanity!

Date: 2007/09/03 09:11:10, Link
Author: J-Dog

Tardmas - A Festival For The Best of Us

Louis -

Other traditions will need to developed to make this work also.  For example:  

1.) Tardmas presents will always have to be delivered by a clown.  

2.) Instead of a Christmas Tree, people will gather 'round the Floating Command Center and exchange Tardmas Gifts.

3.)  It become Tarmas tradition to always insist to your fellow celebrants that  they ignore reality.  For example, you serve a nice merlot, and insist to your guests that it is a Wicked Pale Ale.
4.) Rather than sending vacuous Holiday Cards, you will send letters and memos to your boss and friends accusing them of something, and then a day later send retraction, or, P-A-R-O-D-Y, or "street theater" letters.

Fellow Tardaholics - Please spend a minute of your time and help contribute to The Development Of Tardmas!  If you don't want to do it for yourself, then please.  Do It For The Kids!

Date: 2007/09/03 18:51:32, Link
Author: J-Dog
Yo, yo yo, Abbie Dr. Smith - welcome to the cave.  Pull up a rock and prepare to get entertained.  

Your takedown of Sal and Luskin bring a tear to my eye - I am, after all a sensitive kind of guy.  Personaly, I think we need someone of your perspicacity and wit to get out of HIV research and into evo-devo.  With your help it will be revealed that while we poor Neandertals were writing poetry, painting and re-decorating our caves,  the bloodthirsty Homos from Seattle and Texas stole our caves and killed us in the name of their god(s).  


Date: 2007/09/03 18:56:23, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 03 2007,16:12)
And even more bizarrely, Grandma Tard posts something for Dr. Dr. Dembski!

Have his posting privileges been revoked?

Yeah, but look at the dates... this Tard is aged.  It does not go into the All New Tardariffic Happenings.

However... This latest Dembski goof erupted after the Holiday wekend had started.  I expect a fun response from Baylor tomorrow, and much wailing and gnashing of teeth to occur from Dembski-land and UD soon...

Stay tuned!  

Maybe am ATBC pool for what happens, and when?

Date: 2007/09/04 07:36:24, Link
Author: J-Dog
steve_h -

Outstanding post!  Great reference tool.

Thanks for doing the work.

Date: 2007/09/04 07:38:08, Link
Author: J-Dog
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 03 2007,20:53)

Hmmm. Those crafty Darwinists, they stopped you even formulating a theory of ID...

Damn - You beat me to it!

Dembski = Einstein tells us all we need to know about the driving insatiable thirst for knowledge exhibited by your average UD poster.

Date: 2007/09/04 07:44:37, Link
Author: J-Dog
FTK - Occam and oldman have made excellent points that you should think about.  To me it is an obvious case of the ID mucky-mucks believing one thing, and telling their followers something else.

Do your self - and your kids a favor.  Take your blinders off, open your mind, and ask some tough questions.

Date: 2007/09/04 07:55:03, Link
Author: J-Dog
Hey UD!  

Please add me to the Thank UD for the recent meltdown list!

Your recent struggles are both heart-warming and exceedinly humorous, and I just wanted to take a couple of minutes to let you know it is very much appreciated.

Please remember - you are never alone!  We are all behind you here, laughing our asses off at every mistake, and ready, able and willing to mark your every crude attempt you make to cover up and obfuscate.  

I look forward to so much more stupidity on your part(s), and I hope I do not put too much pressure on you to continue to f*%k up, but I do want you to know how much it is appreciated, and how totally effing funny it is to watch you struggle like a fish out of water.  It's as if you just weren't designed to cope with the real world!

If there really were a designer, and I were you, I would be pretty damned pissed at that sucker for hanging you out to dry and making you the butt of so much humor!

Thanks again UD!

Date: 2007/09/04 09:18:49, Link
Author: J-Dog