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| Date: 2005/10/20 16:19:01, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Anybody catch Primetime tonight? Interesting show about a preteen pop duo called Prussian Blue who sing white supremacist songs. Imagine Mary Kate and Ashley singing songs about how great Rudolph Hess was. Yikes. |
| Date: 2005/10/20 18:52:05, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I'll give you that he has a terrible name Paley, but yours isn't much better. If you post under a ridiculous pseudonym, you put a barrier up to anyone who wants to quote some particularly cogent thing you might say. Not that you have to worry about that, but S.T. does. |
| Date: 2005/10/21 08:05:35, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I don't know if "The Shaggs" could be worse than these girls. What was hilarious about the story was the generally horrible time the supremacists had, doing their various activities. One group went down to help only white victims of katrina. Nobody seemed to want their help. |
| Date: 2005/10/21 13:03:24, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| LOL! |
| Date: 2005/10/21 16:24:31, Link 65.190.196.199 | ||
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| Date: 2005/10/21 17:31:05, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Worthless is shorthand. I think some educations, like science, engineering, and business, are much more valuable. Economic value is not everything, but it's a good place to start. Before I graduated I worked at places like Borders, making $5/hr, and half the people I worked with had degrees in art, english, and graphic design. When I graduated with a physics degree, My salary instantly jumped 300%. I love the humanities. I've read nearly every play by Shakespeare, multiple times. I'm usually reading 2-3 books at a given time. But I don't think such degrees are nearly as valuable. If we're going to talk about buying everyone free educations, we should decide if some are worth buying and some aren't. |
| Date: 2005/10/21 19:17:11, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I don't think your response has anything to do with what I said. |
| Date: 2005/10/21 21:18:45, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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"I would certainly label the public funding of art based solely on the potential economic value of the art to be censorship, wouldn't you?" of course that's not censorship. "I'm sure you're a nice, reasonable guy Steve, but I certainly wouldn't vote for ya, no offense." Well if a guy who calls himself "Sir Toejam" wouldn't vote for me, I guess I'm crazy. No offense. |
| Date: 2005/10/22 15:50:42, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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So I finally got a job at a tech company in RTP (It's off Cornwallis rd., to be exact) Anyone in that general area with a room for rent? Since I don't have a car, I need a place to move to pronto. stevestory@gmail.com |
| Date: 2005/10/22 16:16:30, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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"You take away peoples’ traditional religion, and you get Charles Manson, the Raelians, and Scientology." Or you could win the grand prize and get an atheist. |
| Date: 2005/10/23 08:51:43, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Man, there is some dumb antiscience sh*t on the internets http://www.thomasnelson.com/consumer/Product_detail.asp?sku=1595550194 |
| Date: 2005/10/23 09:02:22, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| TURNED ON--A revolution in the field of evolution? |
| Date: 2005/10/23 14:51:39, Link 65.190.196.199 | ||
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| Date: 2005/10/23 14:54:30, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| spare? Frak does that mean? |
| Date: 2005/10/23 19:50:33, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I should have been more explicit in my original post. If you look at everyone in America who rejected the Big Traditional Religions, you're talking about 10% or so of the population. The vast majority of those list themselves as Atheist/Agnostic. That is all you need to know to reject the idea that leaving the big religions means you join a cult. |
| Date: 2005/10/23 20:56:43, Link 65.190.196.199 |
| Author: stevestory |
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the mouse thing, Tom goes to the mayor? stupid. Give me Aqua Teen and Venture Bros. any day. |
| Date: 2005/10/24 04:05:15, Link 65.190.196.199 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Towards the end he says
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| Date: 2005/10/24 15:03:50, Link 65.190.196.199 |
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heh. Reminds me of the exasperation of Fox Mulder one time. "One more anal-probing gyro-pyro levitating ectoplasm alien anti-matter story and I'm going to take out my gun and shoot somebody." |
| Date: 2005/10/28 14:11:05, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
| You really should be watching this Tom Brokaw special exploring Evangelicals, what they believe, who their critics are, etc. It's very thought provoking. For one thing, watching these people, it's easy to see why SecHum and generic Atheism don't get too many converts. These evangelicals are fired up about selling their product. And they have done a good job producing a social/emotional product which is appealing to people. |
| Date: 2005/10/29 13:33:59, Link 65.210.36.195 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
A while back, Dembski alluded to some upcoming project with a Nobel Laureate. He didn't name names, but those of us familiar with the idiotic religious statements made by Richard Smalley
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9860676/ |
| Date: 2005/10/29 16:58:24, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
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"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture," -Ray Mummert, Dover creationist. Just had to remind people of that, after reading about it in Welcome to Idiot America, an excellent essay in this month's Esquire. |
| Date: 2005/10/29 18:06:32, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Oh, i think it's an interesting situation. At least potentially interesting. Assuming it was Smalley, there are a few possible outcomes: 1) Smalley and Dumbski coproduced a document arguing for Intelligent Design before Smalley died. 2) Smalley wanted to work with Dumbski, told Dumbski he would work on producing ID-supporting materiel soon, but then died. In the case 1, it's crappy, IDCs will endlessly claim that a nobel laureate agrees with them. In case 2, Dumbski has an interesting choice. Does he say, "Nobel Laureate Richard Smalley supported ID, he told me so."? That could make him look bad, Smalley being unavailable for confirmation. |
| Date: 2005/10/30 05:29:55, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Wiley Miller, in his comic strip Non Sequitur, has been beating ID like a rented mule, over the past few months. the beating continues today http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/ |
| Date: 2005/10/30 06:30:43, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Oh it's real. And it's spectacular. |
| Date: 2005/11/05 07:36:18, Link 65.210.36.195 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, it might not be perfect here, but it still sucks in China. |
| Date: 2005/11/07 17:47:38, Link 71.111.225.229 | ||
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| Date: 2005/11/08 12:46:23, Link 71.111.225.229 |
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If you can tolerate China, though, check out Chengdu. Fantastically beautiful women. China, btw, doesn't have us by the nads economically. It's like the old saw--if you owe the bank a thousand dollars, it's your problem. If you owe them a billion dollars, it's their problem. |
| Date: 2005/11/09 13:05:05, Link 71.111.212.180 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Kansas and Dover were just mentioned on ABC’s nightly news. Eugenie Scott got a statement in. The reporter was clearly treating ID as a crypto-creationist scheme. The coverage was actually pretty sweet—they showed Stephen Meyer, and showed an off-camera Discovery Institute handler stopping the interview when the reporter asked about the DI’s funders. The off-camera guy could be heard saying “We don’t want to go down that road.” |
| Date: 2005/11/11 12:12:43, Link 71.111.212.180 |
| Author: stevestory |
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So now the pope supports intelligent design in the large? Who gives a sh*t? http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10007382/ |
| Date: 2005/11/13 13:28:42, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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“The Reformation was the scraping of a little rust off the chains which still bind the mind... Darwinism is the New Reformation" T.H.Huxley |
| Date: 2005/11/13 15:56:52, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Nope. And I bet there was a collective grinding of teeth at the DI when Pat Robertson made his recent comments. |
| Date: 2005/11/17 13:57:40, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
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The storm-tossed and rudderless Republican Party should particularly ponder the vote last week in Dover, Pa., where all eight members of the school board seeking reelection were defeated. This expressed the community's wholesome exasperation with the board's campaign to insinuate religion, in the guise of "intelligent design" theory, into high school biology classes, beginning with a required proclamation that evolution "is not a fact." But it is. And President Bush's straddle on that subject — "both sides" should be taught — although intended to be anodyne, probably was inflammatory, emboldening social conservatives. Dover's insurrection occurred as Kansas's Board of Education, which is controlled by the kind of conservatives who make conservatism repulsive to temperate people, voted 6 to 4 to redefine science. The board, opening the way for teaching the supernatural, deleted from the definition of science these words: "a search for natural explanations of observable phenomena." "It does me no injury," said Thomas Jefferson, "for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." But it is injurious, and unneighborly, when zealots try to compel public education to infuse theism into scientific education. The conservative coalition, which is coming unglued for many reasons, will rapidly disintegrate if limited-government conservatives become convinced that social conservatives are unwilling to concentrate their character-building and soul-saving energies on the private institutions that mediate between individuals and government, and instead try to conscript government into sectarian crusades. |
| Date: 2005/11/19 12:59:09, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I like it better than the bathroom wall because you can make threads. the only problem with the place is, far fewer people come here because it's more indirectly featured at PT. |
| Date: 2005/11/20 15:28:48, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Here's a thread where Heddle can continue his arguments, be they 1 the 120 OOM difference between the CC and the naive expectation of what it would be, proves ID 2 the 60 OOM size of the CC in reduced Planck units, proves ID 3 the unknown ratio deltaCC/CC, called Sensitivity, proves ID or some new one, whatever that may be. I won't be participating unless he actually gives us a number for Sensitivity. |
| Date: 2005/11/21 16:17:00, Link 24.163.33.172 | ||||
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This is the last time I will ever correct you, Mr. Heddle. It's just not worth my time. Here we go. Dave Heddle:
Lawrence M. Krauss and Michael S. Turner:
Over and Out. |
| Date: 2005/11/23 08:27:42, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Your totality argument is nonsense. Squint Theory is much more conclusive. Squint at an object. If it looks designed, it was! See watch me squint at some fibrinogen... He Lives! Tada! |
| Date: 2005/11/24 04:16:50, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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And Dave, you really need to get a new name for your ideas. ID is something different. The world's most recognized expert in ID, William Dembski, said: ""intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." Now unless I missing something, your Sensitravisty is neither information theory nor John's Gospel. So you should change the name of your argument. |
| Date: 2005/11/24 05:26:34, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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We all know Dembski's Explanatory Filter is not just bad, it's stupid. But what would it be like, if we lived in a world in which the EF was correct? Here's a scene from such a world. Contribute your own, if you think of any. lawyer: So, you allege that the tree fell on your car through a purely naturalistic, regular process, isn't that right? defendant: sure is. lawyer: But the truth is You designed that, didn't you! You wanted the insurance money! defendant: of course I didn't! and you don't have any evidence of it! lawyer: oh, that's true. We didn't find any chainsaw. We didn't find a ladder. You weren't home at the time. All that is true. defendant: see--i didn't do it. lawyer: But...we ran the scenario through the Explanatory Filter! jury: Gasp! lawyer: care to know what the EF had to say about the falling tree branch.... defendant: ...gulp...but...but...you don't have any evidence at all about the mechanism I could have used to effect such a plan! lawyer: Ha. This is forensic ID science, Mister. It is not my task to match your pathetic level of detail. Judge: Guilty! Gulty! Gulty! |
| Date: 2005/11/25 07:45:24, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I'm all about Casey Luskin's IDEA club spreading. Because they require club officers to be christian. That says it all, right there. |
| Date: 2005/11/25 11:17:52, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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"It would be a mistake to think that these actions and reactions are part of a continued trend toward a secular world ruled by science. On the contrary, divisions within the churches suggest a revewed search for the transcendent. Though today in the West the schools and governments, the press and the habits of public life, are no longer blended with religion, more and more demands are expressed that they should do so once again." -Jacques Barzun |
| Date: 2005/11/27 03:54:05, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I'm in favor of the class. However if Mirecki really made the comments that "“The fundies want it all taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category mythology.” then he should perhaps be removed from teaching it. |
| Date: 2005/12/01 13:47:26, Link 71.111.225.229 | ||
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| Date: 2005/12/04 06:06:28, Link 24.163.33.172 |
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ID Might be Meeting its maker The Templeton Foundation, a major supporter of projects seeking to reconcile science and religion, says that after providing a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, they asked proponents to submit proposals for actual research. "They never came in," said Charles L. Harper Jr., senior vice president at the Templeton Foundation, who said that while he was skeptical from the beginning, other foundation officials were initially intrigued and later grew disillusioned. "From the point of view of rigor and intellectual seriousness, the intelligent design people don't come out very well in our world of scientific review," he said. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 10:11:25, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| That he did. But we both beat Ed Brayton. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 10:19:49, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| If Information Theory blew holes in evolution, there would be good evidence of it. You would be able to find papers, editorials, something, published by the IEEE or the Information Theory Society thereof, which discusses this. Dembski or Behe would be invited to IT conferences. Highly regarded Information Theory researchers would have made comments to that effect. But none of this evidence exists. Information Theory blows holes in evolution only in the minds of some zealots like Salvador Cordova. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 10:43:40, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| still nothing from either Answers In Genesis or Dembski's blog about the new archyoptyrx fossil which strengthens the dino link. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 14:49:24, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I want Sal to skip to question #3. Let's see some non-materialistic weather forecasting. "Now we go to Dan with the weather. Dan?" "Thanks Bob. Today it's going to be overcast with spotty showers, and a 20% chance of raining frogs, because you're all a bunch of sodomites. Back to you Bob." |
| Date: 2005/12/04 16:52:20, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I think you might be right. That might not be the real Salvador. This person is making spelling errors, but not as many as Sal usually makes. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 16:56:49, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Not many grammar errors either. Sal usually mixmatches cases and such. |
| Date: 2005/12/04 17:02:12, Link 71.111.225.229 |
| Author: stevestory |
| on the other hand, he said "wilfully", "Speuclations", "un-planned", "wil", "readshifts", and "hyptheses", all in one post, so it might actually be Salvador. |
| Date: 2005/12/07 02:53:20, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I also thought it was fake Salvador. But I have to toot my own horn a bit for this post a few days ago:
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| Date: 2005/12/07 09:30:42, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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MSNBC:
Commentary: So scientists have discovered a whole new layer of complexity in how cancer spreads. Many cells and proteins act in concert to cause this process. Clearly, cancer is Irreducibly Complex. Thanks, Intelligent Designer! Thanks a bunch. Love your work. Metacommentary: ID makes the Problem of Evil much worse. Previously, one could believe that terrible things were merely permitted to happen by god. With intelligent design, complicated awful things like cancer aren't just permitted, they must have been deliberately engineered by him. ID makes christianity less appealing. |
| Date: 2005/12/08 10:20:19, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||
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Last week after I read the new data about archyopteryx's feet, I was disappointed that AiG wasn't replying with the high octane crazy juice. So I emailed them:
I will report here any followup I get from them. |
| Date: 2005/12/10 11:40:37, Link 71.111.195.247 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Boy, imagine what the MLB, NFL, and Chinese Olympics teams are going to look like in a couple years. |
| Date: 2005/12/10 11:44:46, Link 71.111.195.247 |
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Of course, the important question is, "What will this discovery do for my wang?" ...Hey Hey Not that it needs anything, no sirree, I'm just saying... But seriously, what'll it do? |
| Date: 2005/12/11 04:40:43, Link 71.111.195.247 |
| Author: stevestory |
| check Nature's website, but I don't think this is going to be helpful to you yet. |
| Date: 2005/12/13 10:43:00, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| as of this posting, neither Answers in Genesis, Dembski's blog, nor Evolution News and Views (the DI blog of Casey Ruxpin) has mentioned this new discovery about Archaeopteryx. |
| Date: 2005/12/14 03:06:51, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2005/12/14 03:27:03, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2005/12/15 03:59:33, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2005/12/15 04:04:09, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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Also be aware that Salvador manipulated the quote. The real quote is
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| Date: 2005/12/15 08:25:31, Link 71.16.105.138 |
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Fish help unlock mystery of our skin color One gene may play big role in making some fish golden, some people white The cellular changes of lightly pigmented golden zebrafish show a striking resemblance to those of lighter skinned humans. The zebrafish pigment gene SLC24A5 is functionally conserved across evolution; a single base change in its parallel human gene may play a role in pigment variation in human populations. By Daniel B. Kane Science Updated: 2  0 p.m. ET Dec. 15, 2005http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10480835/ |
| Date: 2005/12/15 09:11:40, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Well, it's not a faith-based belief, but it is a belief in the broad philisophical sense that every statement you consider true is something you believe. |
| Date: 2005/12/15 11:23:36, Link 24.163.33.172 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
This blog post is about a cute new paper.
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| Date: 2005/12/17 15:54:41, Link 24.163.33.172 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
On the top post on PT right now, Gary Hurd says:
Is anyone else surprised by this? I haven't seen much to clue me in to what he's referring to, but of course I don't see the behind-the-scenes Panda's Thumb stuff. |
| Date: 2005/12/18 03:17:19, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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WOOOOHOOOOO! I hope it being long means it's a bigass pony. All I want for christmas is a pony. |
| Date: 2005/12/18 04:20:59, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, I also thought the police conspiracy stuff was unusual. But I would like to know more about the behind the scenes political machinations if stuff like this is going on at PT. Get it out in the open. |
| Date: 2005/12/29 05:33:49, Link 24.163.33.172 | ||
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| Date: 2005/12/29 08:09:30, Link 24.163.33.172 |
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| One thing I'm going to be doing in the new year is thinking about how the "product" of atheism or secularism doesn't compete as well as religion does, in America and many other parts of the world. I have some vague ideas about why that is. Religions are social institutions, where people get real or percieved social benefits by going to church functions. Can atheism do something like that? When I've gone to local meetings of atheist or intelligence groups, it's usually a small group with an unfortunately high percentage of dysfunctional people. Is atheism a small percentage of people because we lack enticing social benefits? Is atheism too simple a philosophy to create such a social club, and we'll have to use humanism to do it? Thinking about these questions will be the first part of my new year. |
| Date: 2005/12/29 09:01:20, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
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America has largely had a dominant culture over the last half of its history. One could argue that earlier than that, large segments were speaking french or german or dutch or spanish, but since at least the 1800s its had a pretty unified cultural identitiy. Because of things like this http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin....41.html in the next few decades huge regions of SoCal, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas are going to switch to majority spanish-speaking regions, and the more it grows, the more it accelerates, so sooner or later we'll have whole states where the residents speak spanish and probably no english. It's not unusual for countries to contain multiple large distinct ethnic populations, and we're about to have that. Wonder if this'll really change the way Americans see themselves? I don't think it will, necessarily. My understanding of America doesn't really see whiteness and protestantism as essential elements. I think a lot of people who think of Americans as cornfed whitebread football players from Iowa are in the dying-off WWII generation. Of course, there may be a lot of opinion I'm not seeing. What do you think? Feel free to argue orthogonal points like that big-city educated east-coast atheists like myself don't really have any cultural identity with insane evangelical Left Behind readers in Des Moines anyway, &c. |
| Date: 2005/12/29 17:27:02, Link 24.163.33.172 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Who decides the school teaches in English? The local school board, that's who. I can imagine a few school boards changing that rule in a few years. |
| Date: 2005/12/30 05:40:55, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I wasn't knocking Iowa, though i understand what I wrote could be read that way. I just used it to refer to some place far away from me. |
| Date: 2005/12/30 06:25:23, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Oh lord, a troll hath invaded my lovely thread. Be happy Wes doesn't provide thread authors here the ability to do maintenance, Paley, because I'd delete every worthless thing you wrote. Go away. |
| Date: 2005/12/30 06:53:43, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Any plans for improvements to Panda's Thumb, as it nears its 2nd birthday? |
| Date: 2005/12/30 12:01:46, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
BTW, the highest murder rate in the US was in the 20s. I suppose the larger questions I should have asked here are, what are the essential features of American culture? Are the cornfed Iowa boy and the tacofed Miami latina living in the same culture, or not? Is American culture essentially just a few things like the rule of law, capitalism, widespread freedom, and property rights? Are other things like language important or meaningless? If a few states like Texas and New Mexico become Spanish-only, is America different in any important sense, or not? |
| Date: 2006/01/01 14:34:01, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
http://www.nytimes.com/2006....omepage |
| Date: 2006/01/02 04:46:12, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Wikipedia does not have a page for our beloved Panda's Thumb website. Somebody needs to start working on it. And that somebody isn't me, because I don't know jack about the history of how it came about. As far as I know, Panda's Thumb formed ex nihilo around March 2004. |
| Date: 2006/01/03 10:53:01, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Jeff Shallit has a good post up about mothemedoligistical natumarilism or whatever you call it. I'd like to see this sort of thing on Panda's Thumb. http://recursed.blogspot.com/2006....ed.html |
| Date: 2006/01/04 08:22:42, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I just renewed my membership in the ACLU. I've been a supporter of them ever since I decided to go to their website and read what they actually think, instead of basing my opinion of them on howls of outrage by conservatives about one or another anecdotal case they were involved in. This happened in 2002. As I renew my membership, I encourage all of you who care about our Enlightenment values to join. They did right by us in Dover, show your support! Check out the ACLU and join. |
| Date: 2006/01/07 06:08:37, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| You really can't let them get to you. There are 300 million people in this country, several million of them are going to be militant idiots, and there's no point getting upset. |
| Date: 2006/01/07 13:51:24, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I understand. I used to get enraged at militant idiots. Now I just try to find them amusing. For instance, Dembski's the best the ID movement has to offer. A guy who has no success, lost all credibility, and now teaches at a bible college, and on top of that he just turned his blog over to 4 pseudonymous nuts with no credentials. You call that a threat? Ha. The proper outlook to have about them is Humphrey Bogart's outlook on Peter Lorre in Casablanca. Ugarte: You despise me, don't you? Rick: If I gave you any thought I probably would. |
| Date: 2006/01/09 12:34:09, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Was a recent post at Panda's Thumb. And it made me think, what are the things we're doing to promote secular humanism? What are we doing to advance what the DI is trying to undermine? Any responses from noncreationists are appreciated. |
| Date: 2006/01/09 15:48:02, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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No, I know the difference between the two, although I admit Secular Materialism is a bit redundant. The DI is opposed to Materialism or Naturalism or however you want to call it, and I was not asking what we're doing to promote merely methodological naturalism, but rather the whole Enlightenment freethinking rationalist epistemology. As far as using secular humanism as a synonym for that, I feel fine. As to Flint's point that Materialism is wildly successful, you couldn't be more wrong. There are 5 theists in America for every atheist/agnostic. That's not overwhelming success. |
| Date: 2006/01/10 03:29:58, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, I agree with that to some extent. I'd say half of the religious people around are rational and don't really take it seriously. But we need to be promoting secular values as secular and valuable. |
| Date: 2006/01/10 16:09:26, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| ahahahhahahaaha. I know wes doesn't like bad language, but there's no other way to say this. DaveScot is a dipshit. |
| Date: 2006/01/11 04:31:22, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Doesn't that already exist? isn't that already TalkOrigins or something? |
| Date: 2006/01/11 12:48:23, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I would delete everything you wrote. And everything Charlie Wagner wrote. And Robert O'Brien. And that's about it. In other words, Panda's Thumb has banned about 5 people in its 2 year existence. I would have banned probably around 9. And Dembski and company would have banned over a hundred. You may be a hillbilly, but nobody said you had to be stupid enough to confuse those two styles. |
| Date: 2006/01/11 12:52:10, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Oh and Dave Heddle and Carol Clouser. And that's it. By comparison, DaveScot is banning people all the time, to the point that he recently started banning ID supporters who happen to disagree about the details. |
| Date: 2006/01/11 16:04:56, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Yeah, i was counting JAD as one of the 5 or so PT already banned. Why ban everything Paley said? a very weak quality control of banning loquacious creationists. If I ran an astronomy board I'd ban talkative people who argued the sun went around the earth. Pretty low bar, but better than nothing. Actually, I'd run a /. style system, and leave the comments intact, just give certain commenters -1 status. anybody who wanted to view them could set their settings accordingly, but the rest of us wouldn't be bothered. |
| Date: 2006/01/12 06:35:43, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
I had to post this. It's too funny to miss. In an UncommonPissant thread about this:
is found the following comment:
Oh, those poor IDiots, they're so misunderstood. Sniff. LOL. |
| Date: 2006/01/12 07:51:00, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Creationists are crazy and/or stupid people who aren't worth listening to. No different than listening to flat earthers--it's a waste of time. |
| Date: 2006/01/13 01:43:48, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Except for comedy of course. And when things like Dover happen, schadenfreude. |
| Date: 2006/01/14 06:46:48, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| yeah, i love it. Poor deluded idiots sitting around wringing their hands about how ID is being unfairly misunderstood by the schools, the media, scientists, journalists, televangelists, judges, teachers, Nickelodeon... |
| Date: 2006/01/14 06:51:25, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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check out ARN on CafePress: http://www.cafepress.com/accessresearch/982234
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| Date: 2006/01/14 12:23:20, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
Indeed. Good Hitchens bit on this notion.
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| Date: 2006/01/14 12:57:44, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Man, what a jerk the intelligent designer is. We put a lot of work into developing rimantadine and amantadine, and he comes along and redesigns them? |
| Date: 2006/01/14 13:44:49, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yo, Wes! Is Panda's Thumb going to make any changes any time soon? The format's been pretty static for a while. Any planned improvements coming up? |
| Date: 2006/01/14 13:48:15, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Microevolution indeed. I love how our critics have been reduced to saying, Well, evolution happens, but Not Much. |
| Date: 2006/01/14 14:20:19, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| religion can never promote fear, hate or greed? |
| Date: 2006/01/14 14:25:50, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I usually prefer to miss that opportunity. Creationists are a stubbornly illogical bunch, and the least productive to engage in discussion. In terms of cost/benefit and opportunity cost, I seldom think it makes sense to engage them. Under some circumstances, but not often. |
| Date: 2006/01/15 05:54:22, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Stephen, you can't take a 1000 page book like the bible and reduce it to 'god exists and loves us'. There's plenty in the bible one can use to justify terrible acts, not the least of which is that in the end jesus becomes a mass murderer. |
| Date: 2006/01/15 12:46:49, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Simply looking at the bible, god seems to enjoy massacres under certain circumstances. There's no good argument against that. So the idea that religion has to be warped and perverted to justify atrocities is just not true. Religion is a fertile source of such justification. The god of the bible just does not have the ethics we require nowadays. |
| Date: 2006/01/15 13:21:40, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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If you're ignoring whole books of the bible, I think perhaps you are distorting the religion. And that's a good thing, btw. |
| Date: 2006/01/15 14:52:01, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| No, of course I know you're not a fundy, Stephen, I was just making the point that many religions are full of stuff that reasonable people have to ignore. It is not necessary to distort it to get support for terrible things, that support is right there on the printed pages. |
| Date: 2006/01/16 11:43:54, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Uncommon Pissant is so ridiculous and moronic that conversations about it break out on Panda's Thumb all the time. The PTers aren't providing a dedicated thread to discuss the Everlasting Trainwreck which is that blog, so this thread's for that. I initiate the thread with a DaveScot link:
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| Date: 2006/01/16 12:17:03, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| It's not about getting anything. It's just fun to make fun of them. |
| Date: 2006/01/16 12:21:42, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Like for instance, DaveScot's been banning people who mention christianity and god too much, because he's trying to maintain the fiction that ID is separate from religion, but then he's such a dumbass he mentions Chris "Divine Design" Butters approvingly. That's funny. |
| Date: 2006/01/17 01:50:37, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
DaveScot explains some of his moderation behavior:
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| Date: 2006/01/17 09:26:38, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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"Religion-based alternative" wow, journalists really are starting to get it. |
| Date: 2006/01/18 03:27:07, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL You're not fooling anyone. |
| Date: 2006/01/19 05:12:04, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
full story |
| Date: 2006/01/19 05:16:07, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Q: Will those morons ever stop babbling about "Junk DNA"? A: No. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/684 |
| Date: 2006/01/19 08:26:21, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL:
As hyperactively as you thought Dembski and DaveScot were at banning criticism, they're apparently worse. |
| Date: 2006/01/19 08:48:25, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| try using the word ####? what? |
| Date: 2006/01/19 10:37:42, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Thanks for restarting The Bathroom Wall. It needs to be better integrated with PT, but this is much better than nothing. |
| Date: 2006/01/20 07:57:57, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
check it out
Okay, so now it's not even what you say on other discussion boards, it's the fact that you even post on them, which gets you censored. I've still got last week of January in the Dead Pool of DaveScot's tenure. btw, I wonder what motivated Jack to jump into that pig pen. |
| Date: 2006/01/20 12:49:12, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| DaveScots Reign of IDiocy may come to a hidden end. Or Dembski might demand he censor in a quieter way. Right now it's looking like the primary purpose of the blog is to publicly ban people from posting there. |
| Date: 2006/01/20 13:12:42, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/20 13:19:14, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| The day DaveScot decided to ban anyone who'd ever contributed at Panda's Thumb, he banned, in principle, more people in one day than the Panda's Thumb crew has banned in 2 years. |
| Date: 2006/01/20 14:06:30, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I don't know what you're talking about. He did in fact announce that anyone from Panda's Thumb was banned. |
| Date: 2006/01/20 15:00:41, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Are you kidding me? |
| Date: 2006/01/21 02:46:29, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
|
Anyway, back to reality. DaveScot just put a big pile of JAD garbage on UncommonPissant http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/692#more-692 Insane Money Quote:
Love it. |
| Date: 2006/01/21 04:00:42, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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You're wasting your breath if you comment over there. They ban more people before breakfast, than most sites do all year. But if you must, DaveScot's been aggressively maintaining that ID and religion are totally separate, so you might ask something like, "What did Philip Johnson mean when he said: "Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of Intelligent Design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools."? |
| Date: 2006/01/21 04:13:27, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
man, as bad as DaveScot is, he's going to regret inviting JAD back. Dembski can't be happy with what JAD's writing all over his blog
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| Date: 2006/01/21 17:10:04, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, I get the same sense. While DaveScot seems malevolent, and Dembski a wolf fleecing the sheep, Casey just seems like a poor dumb guy who doesn't know any better. When I first started mocking him, he emailed me asking why in the world I thought his Intelligent Design club was religious in nature. Despite the fact that he was a minister, despite the fact you had to be a christian to be an officer in his club, despite every ID advocate being on record at some point saying a variant of "Of course ID is really just christianity in disguise", Casey really didn't seem to understand that it wasn't science. He seemed to really think he was doing science. After all, it sure sounded like science. |
| Date: 2006/01/22 05:07:38, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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LOL now they're getting mad that people are using the phrase "Unintelligent Design" to refer to things in biology. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/693#comments |
| Date: 2006/01/22 10:04:27, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Here's the top of Uncommon Pissant at the moment:
Yeah, that's the problem. IDers have focused too much on science, not enough on PR. |
| Date: 2006/01/22 11:40:47, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| The I&O are completely consistent with science. The parts which don't seem to be are all miracles, so they don't count. |
| Date: 2006/01/22 12:03:42, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/22 12:25:46, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/22 12:59:10, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Yeah, I've been trying to figure out what's wrong with a prototype for three months at work. Guess I should adopt ID Theory. "Boss, it's simple--There is no naturalistic explanation for the anomaly." |
| Date: 2006/01/23 02:25:34, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Some IDer, who himself keeps getting deleted at Uncommon Pissant, is begging DaveScot to stop being such a censor:
I love it. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 03:27:17, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| He can say whatever he wants, the fact remains: he has censored more people this week, than Panda's Thumb has in almost 2 years. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 03:41:52, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Since DaveScot's linking here at the moment, here's a brief statement to the ID folk who'll be wandering over: You're welcome to discuss things here. Panda's Thumb, and After the Bar Closes, are run by scientists who believe in open discussion. As long as you aren't a raging jerk for months on end (which DaveScot was) you won't be warned or banned. Very few people have been banned here--fewer than DaveScot censored last week. I understand it's so bad over there that he's even banning ID supporters who don't agree exactly with him, like Josh Bozeman. We can all agree that since he's been moderating, DaveScot has made the blog about himself and how rigorous he is at purging the site of any alternative ideas. This trainwreck isn't going to last forever, and until it changes, you can discuss things here, just keep it civil. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 04:21:43, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
Boy, JAD's really got some reading comprehension problems, in evidence over at UncommonPissant:
Enjoy the reign of DaveScot, JAD, because it's not long for this earth.
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| Date: 2006/01/23 04:27:33, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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BTW, I have reviewed the correct translations of the Looney Tunes cartoons, and they are all entirely compatible with science. When Wiley Coyote walks off the ledge and doesn't immediately fall, that is simply a miracle. When the road runner speeds through a rock painted to look like a tunnel, that is also a miracle. Isn't it amazing how infallible the Looney Tunes are? |
| Date: 2006/01/23 04:45:33, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Oh, I forgot gravity was different then. Indeed, arden, this discussion proves how deeply we atheists need Looney Tunes to be incompatible with science. It is crucial. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 05:47:58, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Indeed, Arden, I was sitting in Ideas Coffeehouse in Durham this very weekend and heard someone talking about that concept. He said it distinguished theologians from idiots, that when he makes that point to scholars they usually resort to some version of "well, they're all reflections of the same truth, so other religions are basically fine", but when he makes that point to uneducated people the response is more often anger and animosity. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 06:31:23, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I don't. Does Bozeman also believe creating and refuting obvious strawmen is going to work here? If not it might be him who's smarter. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 06:52:22, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, what I was referring to was his obvious strawman of turning "You're an idiot if you think people should go to he11 for ignorance" into "You're an idiot if 1500 years ago that's what you believed the bible said". |
| Date: 2006/01/23 07:12:46, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Go read the rest http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/books/review/22shule.html |
| Date: 2006/01/23 07:17:48, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
AHAHAHAHA somebody on UncommonPissant, referring to us:
Is somebody going to tell him that Flew is a deist, not a christian, and that he said he'd been misled by a christian? If they do, DaveScot will nix the comment. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 07:21:47, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/23 07:58:36, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
several IDers have been banned over there. He was banning anyone who called ID religious at one point, which means repeating William Dembski's statement that
I don't think DaveScot will be in charge for long. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 08:14:41, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| The 'scientists' say Greek came from ProtoIndoEuropean, but of course they're wrong, because there is no missing link language which is exactly half ProtoIndoEuropean and half Greek. Anyway, similarity doesn't imply common descent. The Intelligent Linguist could have made them similar for other reasons. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 09:20:56, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Wow, this is interesting. While a hundred years ago, creationists denied evolution, recently they've had to concede some evolution. Hence the micro/macro distinction. A few of the smarter creationists (not quite a complete oxymoron) have even relented on common descent in the last few years, the evidence being so powerful. Yet they maintain some fiddling was still required, at some point. It looks like DaveScot is actually in that camp:
Most ID Creationists have thrown in on their micro/macro distinction, and so this is going to be yet another source of conflict on Uncommon Pissant. This is more entertaining than an Hispanic Soap Opera. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 10:18:03, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||||
Woo, DaveScot has pissed some people off with his possible acceptance of "macroevolution" and common descent.
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| Date: 2006/01/23 10:49:33, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Revelations is one of the more interesting books. Jesus goes from friendly hippy to psychotic mass murderer. Great big revenge fantasy. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 12:01:16, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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he also just deleted a post by Bling. LOL. pretty soon (if not already) he'll have deleted more IDers than Panda's Thumb. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 12:09:42, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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The number of views is higher than normal and I'm sure some IDers from Uncommon Pissant are coming over here. So here's an additional message to you guys: While Dembski banned criticism like crazy, DaveScot has gone nuts, even banning criticism from you christian supporters of ID. I've seen three today. If you like this situation, fine. But if you don't, complain to the guy who owns the blog. In fact, you might want to navigate one level up and start up a thread on After the Bar Closes to discuss ID. There you can post freely any criticism which comes to mind, as long as you're not persistently rude. You won't have to worry about being frivolously banned. Oh, and btw, you might be banned at Uncommon Descent and not know it--one thing they do is set the software to hide your comment from everyone but you--that way you don't complain, because you don't know your posts are hidden to others. Just FYI. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 13:46:44, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
LOL! Now the anti-"macro"evolution nuts on UD are asking DaveScot for evidence which proves his case. Let's see how successful DaveScot at convincing IDers of the facts of common descent and "macro" evolution. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 15:12:35, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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If DaveScot is going to try to convince IDers that "macro" evolution and common descent are legitimate, I pity the poor bastard. After a few days he'll get so frustrated he'll ban everyone. |
| Date: 2006/01/23 17:08:20, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Julie, by the way, that is the cutest icon. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 03:46:08, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
Zardoz said:
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| Date: 2006/01/24 03:53:05, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
A ...nice...analogy from DaveScot:
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| Date: 2006/01/24 03:56:55, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| btw, i just went to Uncommon Pissant, and the top 5 posts have 0 comments each. I'm sure it's just because they're new, but for a second I thought, "Has he done it? Has he finally banned everyone?" |
| Date: 2006/01/24 04:01:58, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Why is DaveScot linking to this editorial from the Daily Herald? It's not helping his case.
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| Date: 2006/01/24 05:53:06, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Charlie, I've seen a lot of creationists with bad grammar and punctuation and spelling, but I've never seen anyone who put periods after question marks. What's up with that? |
| Date: 2006/01/24 07:42:06, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||||
You might find Judge Jones's opinion enlightening about why this is a terrible argument.
or you might find this refutation from TalkOrigins more persuasive:
by the way, I doubt you have an argument against evolution which is not dealt with at the TalkOrigins list of creationist claims: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html |
| Date: 2006/01/24 08:53:30, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Over at Uncommon Pissant this guy ftrp11 is making comments which contradict the official line, and he's been doing so for more than 24 hours. Wonder how long until he's bounced. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 09:21:38, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Then when you find an antievolution argument you believe is correct, go here and find out why it isn't. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 09:55:48, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Anyway, you said evolution was implausible to you. That's not a logically sound argument to begin with. So when someone responds that the experts don't feel that way, and you say they're making a logically unsound argument, you hold them to a standard you didn't meet. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 10:40:16, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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the thread is drifting, and I don't enjoy creationist participation particularly, but I am enjoying this thread being more tolerant of ID advocates that Uncommon Pissant is being at the moment. That's just delicious. Have you noticed that today's Uncommon Pissant threads are not getting much comment action? Banning so many people is having an effect, methinks. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 12:54:32, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Email Wesley Elsberry for it. I didn't ask him if I could redistribute it. |
| Date: 2006/01/24 13:17:05, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Eminem was right in that censorship is generally bad. What he didn't know is that William Dembski's weblog censors people several hundred times more than our evolution blogs. |
| Date: 2006/01/25 02:25:48, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I think it was someone in Slate magazine who said that's one of the theological pitfalls of ID--it changes god from sad witness to the Fall of Man™, into an active engineer of evil machines. |
| Date: 2006/01/25 02:42:40, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||||||||
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I wondered, recently, exactly how intolerant of criticism they've become over at Bill Dembski's weblog. We've all seen the deletion of comments, the banning of people who step out of line over there. We've seen them ban ID supporters who didn't hew to the party line. Two dozen contributors from Panda's Thumb are banned on Dembski's site, despite the fact that Dembski is not banned from Panda's Thumb. We've been witness to dozens and dozens of bannings merely in the few weeks since DaveScot's been in charge. So I decided to investigate. I emailed Wesley Elsberry, and asked him how many people were banned. He wrote me back a thorough email about how many were banned from PT and AtBC. Depending on how you count, it's more or less 11. I went to Uncommon Descent, and asked DaveScot, "How many people have you banned/moderated?" As you can imagine, my question was deleted. However, he sent me an email, and that's where we begin: (btw, the entire series is reproduced in full, with no editing)
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| Date: 2006/01/25 05:48:22, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| He can be occasionally rational, but he has a rage problem. See the emailed insults above. You can almost sense him thinking "Oh you evolutionists, you make me So Mad!" |
| Date: 2006/01/25 07:55:47, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
the full story |
| Date: 2006/01/25 08:05:20, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
full story |
| Date: 2006/01/25 08:30:54, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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No, I don't know how they did it, except to say they used gravitational lensing somehow. I suspect you'll have to go to a more science-oriented site like Discover, Scientific American, Space.com, or even the papers themselves, for info about the methodology. What I think is just gorgeous is that as we develop increasingly better detection capability, we're seeing what one would expect if the universe was just littered with planets. I don't think that within my lifetime we'll make contact with extraterrestrial intelligent life, but we might at least learn it exists. |
| Date: 2006/01/25 09:25:32, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
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In all your born days, have you ever seen anything more ironic than davescot saying
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/715#comments And get a load of Bombadil's respose!
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| Date: 2006/01/25 10:33:56, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Wow, thanks SomeGuy. I found a bunch of funny bits, like
You'll also find comments of his in groups like alt.impeach.clinton and alt.fan.rush-limbaugh. |
| Date: 2006/01/25 11:04:46, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The guy is just *&$ing nuts. In one of his latest comments, he suggests that engineering is so much less ad hoc than science, because engineers like himself stifle their egos when necessary. I'll add quite a few posts above his so you have the necessary context, but read through to get to DaveScot's last comment. Just mind blowing:
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| Date: 2006/01/26 03:30:15, Link 24.163.39.222 |
| Author: stevestory |
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They certainly believe in grandiose statements, don't they? How about this new Dembski post yesterday: Further indications that neo-Darwinism is dead http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/718 |
| Date: 2006/01/26 04:29:05, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Did you see the admin comment on Panda's Thumb? It looks like the pro from dover, thordaddy, and larry falafelman were the same guy. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 05:28:28, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Aldo does indeed point out that nothing in the paper supports ID. DaveScot imagines he's accomplishing something when he then replies:
To DaveScot, any perturbation of a preexisting theory is an 'ad hoc modification'. Yesterday he accused both physicists and biologists of performing these modifications, and said engineers are above that sort of nonsense. Since I have a degree in physics, and work in RTP as an engineer, I can hardly stop laughing at that one. What a maroon. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 05:51:50, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I'm especially happy about what one astronomer from Princeton said about the results: "The results suggest that rock-ice planets must be more common than gas giants." Since over 170 extrasolar gas giants have been discovered already, Earth is starting to look a little less Privileged, isn't it. btw, this is a good discussion of why Privileged Planet is crap anyway, courtesy of Mark Perakh's site: http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Avalos.cfm |
| Date: 2006/01/26 07:11:36, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I also wouldn't have thought they were the same. While Larry just loves to talk and doesn't care to know anything prior to doing so, thordaddy's few posts I saw were incoherent. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 08:05:05, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Yeah, "Physicist" and "Alon" are unusual specimens amid the mouth-breathers over there. Even DaveScot looks good when he's trying to explain to one of the commenters that no, ID does not exclude 'macro'evolution or speciation.
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| Date: 2006/01/26 08:40:14, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Ah yes, that building which was hit at 400 mph by a 757 carrying 11,000 gallons of fuel...I wonder why it fell down.... OW! My eyeballs rolled so hard I sprained my inferior rectus muscles. Dangit. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 08:59:04, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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| Date: 2006/01/26 09:09:24, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Popular Mechanics: 9/11: Debunking The Myths PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11. http://hearst.corp.printthis.clickability.com/pt....1227842 |
| Date: 2006/01/26 09:39:43, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Why do you think ID predicts IC? |
| Date: 2006/01/26 10:27:38, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Eric, that link was to help you get access to intelligent info, not to argue with you. I'm sure you can point me to responses to responses to responses to responses. If there's one thing cranks have, it's time to write webpages. In your first post you seemed intrigued in the conspiracy nonsense, so I thougth I'd help point you toward something sane. But now you seem committed to the nonsense, so I'll let someone else waste his time. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 10:35:43, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Some researchers at EMBL call proteins 'molecular machines' and predictably, DaveScot goes ap35h17 for it:
and 257 of them! maybe there are really 256 and go--uh Intelligent Designer was using an 8-bit machine! |
| Date: 2006/01/26 11:06:12, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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You know one sign you're dealing with a creationist? They treat the opinion of some unknown internet crank the same as scientific associations and biology departments. Why are you imitating them? If you wanted to, you can find explanations of why and how the towers collapsed at numerous departments and conferences of civil engineers, NIST, FEMA, MIT, &c &c. But you, you choose 911Research.WTC7.net. smarten up. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 11:09:08, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| It's about time he started threatening ftrp11. That guy is not marching in lockstep. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 12:47:16, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
1 bigass planes filled to the gills with fuel smashed into some buildings at 400 mph. 2 said buildings managed to stand upright for over an hour before the steel warped and bent enough for collapse. 3 I saw the footage 100 times, didn't see any secondary explosions. 4 An engineer interviewed by my local paper, the News and Observer, 4 years ago, who was involved in the project, said he knew they'd come down. 5 Reports have been issued by MIT, NIST, the American Society of Civil Engineers, &c &c, none of which expressed incredulity. 6 The Feds have a hard enough time not looking like idiots in the wake of a hurricane, so big undetectable plots in manhattan in broad daylight.... now, I love a good conspiracy story. I really do. I'm a big fan of the X-files, that Clive Barker story where frog races determine the fate of the world, and so on. But in light of just what I already know, you have to bring some serious piece of evidence to get me to consider that MIT, the ASCE, etc were totally wrong. Wanting me to go to some 2nd rate webpage and evaluate claims about civil engineering is not going to happen without some pretty solid reason to think something's amiss. It's a simple matter of having some kind of standard so you don't waste your life on the thinnest of claims. |
| Date: 2006/01/26 12:53:51, Link 24.163.39.222 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Well, I at least have to give him points for the assonance. |
| Date: 2006/01/27 02:52:15, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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There's a lot of gnashing of teeth going on over at Uncommon Descent. Read this line of comments and tell me if they look like a happy bunch: censorship, davescot, HIV, etc |
| Date: 2006/01/27 03:05:05, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
And I wasn't rebutting anything. I gave reasons why the claims do not deserve analysis. Here's a good rule of thumb: When a layman like yourself believes the best engineers in the world are wrong about an engineering question, the mistake is probably not on their end. Hey, after you get done with the WTC, look into how the moon landings never happened. The experts will all disagree with you, but I don't see why you would care. There's some websites which say they're all wrong. |
| Date: 2006/01/27 06:52:53, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Puck, you might not agree with us, but I think you'll enjoy the room to breathe here. Russell: isn't that the same DaveScot who called Mark Perakh an alcoholic liar, or something like that? |
| Date: 2006/01/27 08:03:58, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/28 03:55:12, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Programmers get paid all sorts of different ways. I think the paid-per-line was a thing IBM did for a while. It didn't work well, but coming up with a metric for judging the performance of a programmer is hard. Hey, maybe this is somewhere else Intelligent Design could contribute. They could make a software package that analyses the amount of "CSI" in the code. Then the programmer could be paid based on how much CSI he added. |
| Date: 2006/01/28 04:01:21, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Check out comment #1 on this page. It's nice and crazy. Uncommon Pissant |
| Date: 2006/01/28 04:43:50, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I think of myself more as Statler or Waldorf, those two old muppets who sat up in the balcony mocking the show. Does Intelligent Design deserve any other treatment?  “I like Dembski's next book!" "It hasn't been published yet." “That's what I like about it!" |
| Date: 2006/01/28 05:03:23, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Does anyone else find it uncomfortable to read JAD's posts, and watch a guy's descent into senility? Not the product of a healthy mind And I don't mean that as an insult, I mean literally that something is wrong with his brain. |
| Date: 2006/01/28 05:43:35, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Man, there are some idiots over there at Uncommon Pissant:
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| Date: 2006/01/28 06:33:20, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
I should hope so. But with creationists I can never tell. This classic is perfectly serious: |
| Date: 2006/01/28 07:53:53, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Man, talk about your dishonesty. A Harris poll here ( http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=581 ) finds that educated people are far less likely to doubt evolution than uneducated people. 73% of people with High School or less support creationism, 6% support ID, and 17% support evolution. By the time you get to postgrad degrees, evolution support has jumped to 35%, creationism has fallen to 42, and 17% say they support ID. How does DaveScot spin this? Harris Poll Shows ID Support Rises Fastest With Education link |
| Date: 2006/01/29 03:48:56, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Either O. Johnson is lying about being a doctor, or he's pretty insecure. |
| Date: 2006/01/29 08:56:22, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
DaveScot, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, says the following over on Uncommon Pissant: (emphasis in original)
Poor Dave. If you get the PDF and search for Pandas you indeed find 74 mentions. But if you search for Bonsell, you get 75 mentions. Search for Behe and you get 84 mentions. A search for Board turns up 227 responses. Clearly what was on trial, was the school board. |
| Date: 2006/01/29 10:11:58, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/01/31 02:51:52, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
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You HAVE to check out the thread Bob O'H links to above. Man, DaveScot is wailing and gnashing his teeth. He's demanding that people stop talking about religion, he's disputing quotes people are posting from his ID 'betters' such as Jonathan Wells, banning people, etc. He wants a totally secular ID theory and everyone on board. Why do we always want, what we can't have? Oh, it is so delicious to watch an exasperated DaveScot try to argue against the common-descent-denying dolts.
and I love this quote from DaveScot about common descent, on the John Lynch thread:
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| Date: 2006/01/31 04:50:31, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
yeah, he would have to ban Nelson. (For those who haven't seen it, Nelson just smacked DaveScot:
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| Date: 2006/01/31 07:57:09, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Qualiatative, banned at 10:16pm last night, was back by 10 am this morning. Has DaveScot been reined in? |
| Date: 2006/01/31 08:16:52, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Dave Springer (DaveScot) apparently doesn't know how the word random is used:
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| Date: 2006/02/01 02:07:55, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| keiths, where'd you see that? I don't see it on the main Uncommon Pissant thread. |
| Date: 2006/02/01 04:38:27, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Lol. They're talking now, at Uncommon Pissant, about how so many people there are engineers. Much better suited to understand biology, don't you know. Anyway, had to repeat this funny bit from Sal Cordova:
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| Date: 2006/02/01 05:47:10, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Yeah, I wonder why we're so important, they have to talk about us secretly. But it's the IDers, and we all know that hiding parts of their agenda is essential if they want to succeed |
| Date: 2006/02/01 10:25:04, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
just a reminder:
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| Date: 2006/02/02 04:46:46, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| and lawyers. |
| Date: 2006/02/02 06:36:53, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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In one sense, I have more respect for the Wises of the world than the reinterpreters. They're taking a stand for their religion. When you 'reinterpret' a religion to remove contradictions with scientific evidence, you're submitting to the higher authority of reason, but too chicken to deal with the full consequences. But that's the subject of another thread. |
| Date: 2006/02/02 06:58:25, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/02 07:01:53, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| the parts where he types ---craaaaaack--- is where he's actually taking hits off the pipe. |
| Date: 2006/02/02 07:04:52, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| oh, that looks interesting. wonder if i'll be able to Netflix it anytime soon. |
| Date: 2006/02/02 07:37:08, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Has anyone watched any of this new Adult Swim stuff? I tuned out months ago, and have my tivo set to record any aqua teen if it comes on. Is any of the new stuff any good? |
| Date: 2006/02/02 08:00:20, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I've seen Squidbillies, 12 Oz. Mouse, Tom goes to the Mayor, and those are all horrible. Looks like I'll have to check out Boondocks and the Orel one, though. |
| Date: 2006/02/02 15:29:32, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
somehow that didn't wind up on the Put a Sock In It list. I think we can safely assume that Dave Springer has been told where he can shove his Common Descent. |
| Date: 2006/02/03 04:15:26, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL. Now they're framing themselves as Galileo to Judge Jones's Inquisitor.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/775 |
| Date: 2006/02/03 13:05:10, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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DaveScot has been quiet for days, perhaps smarting from the spanking Dembski no doubt gave him in private. Well, he's back, and arguing with everyone, but not in a particularly entertaining way this time. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/778#comments get a load of this:
Man, how many ideas can Dave Springer simultaneously misunderstand? |
| Date: 2006/02/04 04:30:48, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/04 05:08:04, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Slaveador Cordova is all over that on Uncommon Pissant.
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| Date: 2006/02/04 05:29:32, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
msnbc story nice bit from the NYT I had to add:
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| Date: 2006/02/04 07:25:29, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Update: also the Norwegian embassy, btw. |
| Date: 2006/02/04 07:44:44, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Did you mean to post that in another thread? Presumably it makes sense w/r/t some other discussion. |
| Date: 2006/02/05 05:49:36, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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It's not just people living in theocracies. MSNBC found a bunch of American muslims who think the cartoon should be illegal. US Muslims React With Tempered Anger |
| Date: 2006/02/05 05:55:26, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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DaveScot is persuing common descent again. Or maybe not. Or maybe. It gets all confused in the comments. One thing's for sure. No one else on the site is happy with the idea. Common Descent or Common Design? |
| Date: 2006/02/05 08:02:50, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Dave Springer really should look up Ad Hominem. It does not mean, what he thinks it means.
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| Date: 2006/02/05 08:21:30, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Here's a delicious bit from Uncommon Pissant
No religion there. |
| Date: 2006/02/05 09:20:12, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, calling an insult an ad hominem is just uneducated people trying to sound smart-like. |
| Date: 2006/02/05 12:35:04, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| who stuck his foot in his mouth? |
| Date: 2006/02/05 14:43:48, Link 71.70.216.92 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Welcome to our planet. We call it "Earth". Will you be staying long? |
| Date: 2006/02/06 04:33:49, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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JAD and Dave Springer are fighting over at Uncommon Descent: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/781#comments |
| Date: 2006/02/06 09:00:24, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| post 784 has been deleted, apparently. anyone got a copy? i can't find one this time. |
| Date: 2006/02/06 09:07:51, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Anyone here want to write a script which will surf uncommon descent every few hours and save the pages, so that we still have them after the Orwellians try to shove them down the memory hole? |
| Date: 2006/02/06 09:57:21, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Score! Ed Brayton linked to Andrea Bottaro's copy of the missing post: http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/upload/2006/02/Raj%20baldev.htm |
| Date: 2006/02/06 10:01:27, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| They get nuttier and nuttier. One day, DaveScot's going to see something he wrote, get pissed, and ban himself. |
| Date: 2006/02/06 12:24:19, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Amazing how many people misunderstand ID, huh? Teachers, research scientists, professors, biologists, information theorists, scientific organizations, judges.... It must be a very subtle and brilliant idea indeed. |
| Date: 2006/02/06 13:44:48, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
LOL. Slate magazine: Galileo andthe Intelligent Design Wackjobs Who Love Him You can bet the Disco Institute's Media/Judge Complaints Department will be whinging about that. You should read the article, if you haven't, it's good Slate ID article |
| Date: 2006/02/07 03:41:19, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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You guys should start a new thread for this discussion with Avocadoist. I'd like to keep this one about Uncommon Pissant. For instance, here's a priceless new gem--they're suggesting antibiotic resistance might not be evolution:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/787 Everybody make sure you see it before they realize it's stupid and delete it! |
| Date: 2006/02/07 05:02:29, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I've currently quit for three months. I did it by switching to Skoal. I still get my nicotine fix, but in a much safer way. Smokeless tobacco is not harmless, but it's much less harmful than smoking. |
| Date: 2006/02/07 06:43:22, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Chris Mooney links to this Salon article describing the anti-relativity fringe. It's no wonder that some Disco Instituters are also relativity deniers (cough cough Jay Richards cough), it's a similar strain of quackiness. salon article |
| Date: 2006/02/07 07:04:04, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
right now at Uncommon Pissant, I get
the only comedy to be had, right now, is the robots.txt file where they disallow all caching, for obvious reasons. |
| Date: 2006/02/07 10:01:12, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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You have GOT to check out this thread. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/787 DaveScot found a paper about how bacteria, when stressed out by a harsh environment, will turn off their mutation-repair mechanisms and do other things which promote mutations, in order to rapidly evolve. Somehow he thinks that this is evidence against "random mutation plus natural selection" as an agent of evolution. check it out before it's deleted. |
| Date: 2006/02/07 14:58:15, Link 71.70.216.92 |
| Author: stevestory |
| LOL |
| Date: 2006/02/08 03:35:46, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Chris, I've seen your posts over there, and I'm sure we all appreciate what you're doing, but DaveScot's just going to ban you. He's really out to lunch on what random means, what 'random mutation' means. He's got this really confused mess where anything that has purpose isn't random, or anything which is initiated by a prior step isn't random, or anything which is deterministic isn't random. Really, all the 'random' in 'random mutations' means is, nobody's picking to mutate one site instead of another site. It means that the positions of the mutations have certain statistical distributions. It doesn't have anything to do with Dave's big ol philosophical notion of randomness. But this is what you see when people try to comment way outside their area of expertise. They make intro-level errors, misunderstanding and misapplying basic concepts. |
| Date: 2006/02/08 03:51:11, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
On a lighter note, get a load of this craziness:
"Hi, it's been six months since I checked, does death still not have the power to bring together parts of a system for a purpose. Oh, good. Thanks." click. |
| Date: 2006/02/08 06:54:02, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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William Dembski on the Wisconsin bill: "I take this as a clear sign that we are winning." and "Dover certainly wasn’t ID’s Waterloo. Wisconsin may well be evolution’s Waterloo." LOL. |
| Date: 2006/02/09 09:20:49, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Paley, your nonsense is not welcome on my thread. |
| Date: 2006/02/09 12:15:06, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Every once in a while, the thinkers over at Uncommon Pissant say something that just makes your jaw drop open. Behold!:
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| Date: 2006/02/09 12:21:40, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Also check out comments by "artist in training" over there. He's so clueless about evolution and ID, he's way off the script:
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| Date: 2006/02/09 12:53:54, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| don't be annoyed, it's the funniest thing around. think of the comedy we've seen lately. DaveScot announces that you'd have to be a religious nut to oppose Common Descent, only to have DIers show up and tell him off. Commenters arriving every day to talk about Jesus Jesus Jesus. Embarrassing posts they tried to cover up, only to be thwarted by browser cache. DaveScot's circular non-helical DNA. It's just hilarious. |
| Date: 2006/02/09 13:10:17, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
update: flunky claims he is right, and Hansen is biased and political.
NYT story |
| Date: 2006/02/10 04:57:09, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| The people at Uncommon Descent are caught in Russell's Dilemma--they can't tell if Artist is a creationist, or a spoof of a creationist. |
| Date: 2006/02/10 08:05:11, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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FYI Artist, here's a list of 400 or so claims Creationists (of the Intelligent Design flavor and other flavors) make regarding evolution, with explanations about why the claims are wrong, and references for further reading, etc. http://talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html If you are an educated person, and are not a zealot, hang out and read Panda's Thumb articles for a few weeks or months, and you'll understand what's wrong with ID and its proponents. |
| Date: 2006/02/10 09:16:46, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/10 09:27:11, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Well, there was that moron recently who claimed that atheists really believed in god, but pretended not to, or something. That's so dumb, I'm not sure the word 'retarded' goes far enough. Can't remember on what blog that guy was being mocked. |
| Date: 2006/02/10 14:15:21, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| You're just talking crazy talk. Where do you get off saying I don't have any meaning or support any causes? Why do you presume to tell me what I think or value? |
| Date: 2006/02/10 14:23:46, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I guess I should cancel my ACLU membership. Stop appreciating Miro paintings. Tell my girlfriend I don't love her. Because according to some guy who doesn't know me, I only care about fulfilling my duty to our species' DNA. Glad that christian guy came along to tell me what I think. |
| Date: 2006/02/11 06:25:17, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Ah, I see, in the light of day, I did overreact. My only excuse is that I was quite drunk at the time. And quite hungover now. BTW, I suspect fishyfred is a spoof or exaggeration or something. The extremely bad english he uses rings a little fake. |
| Date: 2006/02/11 07:27:25, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
New quote from WAD:
Aren't they precious when they pretend their ideas are useful? Anybody else notice the phrase "an ID perspective" rather than "ID theory"? |
| Date: 2006/02/11 08:02:14, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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There's a southern way of using the word 'ignorant' which befits Ken Ham. It means ignorant, but also hopeless. That boy's just ignrnt |
| Date: 2006/02/11 09:14:53, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
this reminds me of:
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| Date: 2006/02/11 09:27:49, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| You find Davison amusing? I find his comments empty and pompous. I stopped reading them ages ago, when he was still allowed on PT. Watching the IDers pretend to be neither creationists, nor religiously motivated, watching them delete large threads because they've mucked things up irredeemably, watching engineers talk about how they're revolutionizing biology while botching introductory concepts like the shape of DNA in a plasmid, those things are the hilarious parts of Uncommon Pissant, in my opinion. |
| Date: 2006/02/11 16:09:25, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
DaveScot has deleted dozens of his own comments. Several of the people at Uncommon Pissant have deleted their own comments, and entire threads, when they got embarrassed. Here's discussion about one of my favorites: Dave Springer and the Case of the Missing Post 744 |
| Date: 2006/02/11 16:13:21, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Pound for pound, Uncommon Pissant might be the funniest website on the internet. Or maybe Answers in Genesis. Hard to say. |
| Date: 2006/02/11 18:54:25, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||||
So you're saying Bill Dembski is not really a christian. Interesting statement. Probably get you banned at Uncommon Pissant. But then again, what wouldn't.
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| Date: 2006/02/12 05:46:29, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/12 06:02:13, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL. the top thread at Uncommon Pissant, "Jack Krebs Asking About Common Descent", has just been updated by DaveScot. At the bottom he added
It's so great to watch. |
| Date: 2006/02/12 11:11:45, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
now dave's putting up limited-lifetime comments:
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| Date: 2006/02/12 14:07:31, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Actually I'm Sober Steve Story right now, having had only two Yuenglings so far. But their ten buddies in the fridge are fearing for their lives, as well they should be. You're making an a55 out of me, huh? If you say so, JAD. |
| Date: 2006/02/12 16:13:46, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I think ridicule is an important strategy. Plus it's High Comedy. I'm proud to be part of the Panda's Thumb Statler and Waldorf Team. Statler: Wake up you old fool! You slept through the latest post at Uncommon Pissant! Waldorf: Who's the fool? You read it! Hohohohohohoho! |
| Date: 2006/02/13 07:16:48, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I support such a system. Or a karma system, like /. has, which also encourages responsible behavior. |
| Date: 2006/02/13 07:24:00, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| How can they deal with Evolution Sunday? Wouldn't they have to try to loudly claim that evolution is incompatible with christianity? How will that play in court later? |
| Date: 2006/02/13 07:28:04, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| 40-50% of the biologists who believe in evolution are christians, so you certainly don't have to give one up for the other. And if you want more info about why ID is a hoax, I suggest a book like Why Intelligent Design Fails. |
| Date: 2006/02/13 07:37:34, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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What I like about the /. system, I think would work here if it could be implemented--people who have been around long enough to be trustworthy are given small powers of moderation. They can demerit comments for being offensive or garbage or whatever. Individual viewers of the site can select what level of comments to see. If you particularly want to see the worst comments, you can, but everybody else wouldn't have to. At /., they have so many comments that their system has 7 tiers, but here we'd only need two: regular and garbage. *** I was just alerted to the fact that Uncommon Pissant has an RSS feed. This is the answer to our prayers, because they can't delete that once it's out. So everybody who uses RSS, please set up their site. That way they won't be able to delete a thread on us again. |
| Date: 2006/02/13 07:49:39, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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speaking of him, I'd almost pay money to watch him teach algebra. http://shopping.drdino.com/view_item.php?impulse=3 |
| Date: 2006/02/13 08:17:34, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| LOL I can't remember if I was Hovind or Ken Ham who had that hilarious cartoon where a dinosaur, who has an eye on one side of his head, thinks something like "That works real good. I think I'll try real hard to evolve another one!" and he starts straining like unnngggghhhhhh... |
| Date: 2006/02/13 08:35:26, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| No, feel happy for him, he learned. Now Salvador Cordova, or DaveScot--feel sad for them. |
| Date: 2006/02/13 08:55:37, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Everybody who wants thread #809 over at Uncommon Pissant better go get it now. DaveScot is claiming that obviously Cartesian Dualism is crap, and that the mind is just what the brain does. At some point he'll be clued in to the fact that Overlord Dembski is a Cartesian Dualist. When that happens, the thread might do the disappearing act thread 744 did.
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| Date: 2006/02/13 10:04:16, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Instructional videos where he teaches you Algebra. I guess the site does that internal navigation crap where the apparent link will not take someone there. Oh and yes, Henry, that is materialism. DaveScot is some kind of agnostic, who actually thinks there is a real scientific theory in Dembski's work. He's been fooled by the math, in other words. He made a big stink saying you'd have to be a religious zealot to doubt common descent, perhaps without realizing that he was surrounded by creationists. Similarly, he is going to piss off people by calling dualism crap, but he doesn't know that yet. Because he doesn't understand that ID is entirely a political movement motivated by religion, he's stepping on religious toes, and it's having consequences. Some ID supporters say he's destroying the blog. I think it's great comedy. It's like watching the Three Stooges run around the deck of the titanic. |
| Date: 2006/02/13 12:00:49, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| LOL keiths, that's so great. |
| Date: 2006/02/14 04:18:19, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/14 08:45:46, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
Furthermore, here are some Creation Science websites where creationists argue that a prokaryote could not have led to an eukaryote: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4341_endosymbiont.asp http://www.creationinfo.com/evcr/6_7_2004.htm http://blogger.xs4all.nl/jcdverha/archive/2004/12/11/17189.aspx http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-3105.html Answers in Genesis:
Thanks, Uncommon Pissants, for helping demonstrate that Intelligent Design = Creationism. |
| Date: 2006/02/14 13:15:42, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| no, it's still there. look in the list on the right-hand side |
| Date: 2006/02/14 16:32:57, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Is there any way to make me feel better about my annual ACLU dues, than Doug Moron posting the following at Uncommon Pissant?
I don't think there is.  |
| Date: 2006/02/15 04:15:29, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| If you posted this on Official Uncommon Pissant Discussion thread, you could dilute the babbling of JAD a little bit. |
| Date: 2006/02/15 04:19:19, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
DaveScot babbled about Panda's Thumb
Except the ones which don't, of course. |
| Date: 2006/02/15 05:50:07, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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They probably don't know what to do right now. If they delete the post, they know we keep copies now and will revel in it. And they were so pissy and rude that they can't say they were wrong. My guess is they'll attach an update saying something critical about the implementation. One thing is for sure--somebody in the last ten hours has noticed the obvious error, tried to correct them in the comment section, and been deleted. Probably several somebodies. |
| Date: 2006/02/15 07:04:29, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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update: DaveScot deleted what he said earlier, and replaced it with
If the reader is not a complete idiot, he will note that PT trackbacks were obviously working fine yesterday, for instance here: http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2006/02/ohio_news_1.html |
| Date: 2006/02/15 11:43:29, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
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All their arguments are old creationist arguments, occasionally with technical jargon added to make it seem more scientific. Ken Ham says, "mutations do not add information", and William Dembski tarts it up into "the NFL theorems demonstrate that algorithms cannot produce Complex Specified Information blah blah blah". Don't be fooled by the fake math.
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| Date: 2006/02/15 11:54:54, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| ditto on the pricelessness of TurboGoalposts v3:16 |
| Date: 2006/02/15 12:03:36, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/15 12:48:28, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Also, IIRC Luskin in a minister of some kind. However, I'm not sure Casey is lying, if you demand people have certain religious beliefs, and then maintain that religion is irrelevant to what you're doing, it strikes me less as lying, and more like some kind of Oliver-Sachs-patient dysfunction like being unable to see things which are blue. |
| Date: 2006/02/15 14:27:30, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| i got in because of the comedy. I've always been a physics geek, and growing up in the south, I was occasionally treated to some outrageous confident anti-science claim like "They say the earth is spinning at a thousand miles an hour. But you know that's BS. If the earth was spinning at a thousand miles an hour, we'd all be flung into space." and they were so hysterically funny that I eventually started paying attention to the wackos for the laugh value. I barely know anything about evolution, but there just aren't that many screaming idiots in physics, so I gravitated to the evolution/creation fight. IDiots like Casey Luskin trying to sneak relabelled creationism by the courts via clubs that require christianity?!?!?! That's hilarious. I mean, Jim Pinkowski?? How could you not find that funny? The Discovery Institute going down in flames because of dimbulbs like Buckingham? I love it. |
| Date: 2006/02/16 04:27:45, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Post 817 on Uncommon Descent, where DaveScot made these erroneous comments about how trackbacks worked, is no more. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/817 |
| Date: 2006/02/16 13:45:19, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| If you want to have an interminable fight with JAD, consider the following things: 1 I'd rather you didn't clog up this thread with his senile nonsense, and 2 he's supposed to be banned from here anyway. |
| Date: 2006/02/16 14:25:20, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Yes. So here's something else to talk about. Just when you think you've seen the most pitiful ID dimbulb, a new one comes along, worse than him:
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| Date: 2006/02/16 15:31:47, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| ID201--Theory of Imaginary Numbers. And Imaginary Theorems. Groundbreaking, Imaginary Theorems. |
| Date: 2006/02/17 03:57:51, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
There haven't yet been any replies to
Perhaps nobody can figure out what math courses ID is a part of. |
| Date: 2006/02/17 06:12:54, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
The difference, btw, Egbooth, is that 1) in 2 years Panda's Thumb has edited or banned about a dozen people, or roughly the number DaveScot has edited or banned since yesterday afternoon. and 2 We don't delete evidence of our mistakes here, which DaveScot has to do pretty frequently. Look for threads 744 and 817 on Uncommon Descent. They are long gone. |
| Date: 2006/02/17 06:47:13, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
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I have to preserve this bit from Uncommon Pissant before it gets deleted. the post:
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| Date: 2006/02/17 08:53:56, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| After which, I would like to see a calculation of the CSI in the face on Mars, and a comparison of the amount which leads to concluding one is designed, and one not. |
| Date: 2006/02/17 10:44:36, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/17 12:20:21, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
DaveScot:
Got that, kids: Designed object has 3 things, Flagellum has 3 things, Flagellum is designed object.
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| Date: 2006/02/18 08:40:02, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| First, read this really interesting Discover story, then go have a good laugh at DaveScot's asinine comments about it. |
| Date: 2006/02/18 10:01:08, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| good article by Michael Kinsley, who is not conflicted about the Danish cartoons. |
| Date: 2006/02/18 10:26:05, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
And get a load of this:
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| Date: 2006/02/18 11:41:28, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
my favorite bit:
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| Date: 2006/02/18 12:18:36, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Logically, DaveScot must now convert to christianity. If the Bible Code methodology is equivalent to Intelligent Design's methodology, and Intelligent Design's methodology is sound... |
| Date: 2006/02/18 14:55:50, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL
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| Date: 2006/02/18 16:11:40, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
Dembski and Johnson: |
| Date: 2006/02/18 16:35:32, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| fyi, 16 people died in Nigeria today in the ongoing Muslim Cartoon Riots of 2006. |
| Date: 2006/02/18 17:02:55, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Not as bad as the 2002 Nigerian Muslim Riots, also related to a newspaper. IIRC, somebody said something in a newspaper about Mohammed and beauty contests, and the blood started filling the streets. Several hundred died. |
| Date: 2006/02/18 17:28:09, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I'm a big Neal Stephenson fan (not so much the recent historical stuff, but otherwise) and he writes in depth about technological or systematic things. I think his nonfiction essays are even better. See for instance these two excellent pieces: Mother Earth, Motherboard In the Kingdom of Mao Bell But this kind of geek writing is found in relatively few places. Wired is one. Can anyone point me to other writers who write about similarly techy topics? To be clear, I don't merely mean computer things, anything where a complex system is discussed in an interesting way. |
| Date: 2006/02/19 05:52:27, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
this stuff is too good. |
| Date: 2006/02/19 10:47:35, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/19 12:06:02, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| As you could have foretold, my pseudonymous comment to Karen, saying as much, never saw the light of day over there. Essentially, DaveScot had to delete Dembski's own words, in order to preserve his ideas. Which is of course why I posted it in the first place. :-) |
| Date: 2006/02/19 14:20:21, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Phil Johnson and the bible code http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9811/johnson.html |
| Date: 2006/02/19 15:54:24, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I was a little wrong above. I didn't literally quote him. What I said was :
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| Date: 2006/02/19 19:14:06, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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He's likely referring to the Discover link I posted about halfway up this page. I guess that would be, halfway up the previous page. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 02:28:22, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| DaveScot needs to learn how to Intelligently Design some apostrophes. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 03:42:44, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL now some dum-dum over there is saying
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| Date: 2006/02/20 05:14:27, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah, does that guy know that DaveScot deletes virtually any criticism of ID? |
| Date: 2006/02/20 05:50:27, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Yeah, his schizophrenic relationship with JAD is hilarious. It's like a Crank Soap Opera over there. Will DaveScot ban Davison forever? Who will insult common descent? Will Crandaddy accept The Bible Codes? Will someone delete an embarrassing thread--but too late? Tune in next week! |
| Date: 2006/02/20 09:40:01, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Oh, I didn't see that new stuff, because JAD's blog goes in the direction opposite every other blog in the world, with newest posts lower on the page. I shouldn't have expected any less. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 09:47:15, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
lol JAD says about DaveScot:
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| Date: 2006/02/20 11:42:53, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| LOL I'm sure I'm not the first person to come up with that, go right ahead. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 12:41:16, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
omigod. Davescot, at that google link above:
JESUS THAT IS STUPID. There's an error in every single sentence. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 13:09:11, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Man, that's just so amazingly ill-informed. I almost never get into the details of where creationists went horribly wrong, but I know a bit more about hematology than the average person, so let me point out the basic errors in DaveScot's comments: 1) The blood type proteins do not have anything to do with gas transport, that's hemoglobin. 2) A, B, AB, etc are not proteins within hemoglobin. Hemoglobin is a protein inside RBCs, while the blood type antigens are on the outside. 3) There are a lot more than A, B, AB, O, rh+ and rh-. There's H, Kell, Lutheran, MNS, Duffy, and dozens more. 4) Considering that different monkeys have different blood types, there's no reason to assume all humans had the same type at some point. 5) Nobody with Any experience with proteins would say "A single protein mutation that doesn't kill the host has pretty long odds." about a typical protein. A typical protein has All Kinds of functionally identical substitutions. There are, for instance, subgroups of type A blood type B blood, etc, based on mutations. |
| Date: 2006/02/20 17:15:51, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Right. I meant that humans didn't necessarily have the same blood type at some point. Some prehuman ancestor may have. |
| Date: 2006/02/21 03:35:19, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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yeah, I mean, it's essentially this: creationists: We've got a list! evolutionists: We've got a Much bigger list! creationist: Lists are flawed! I mean how stupid do you have to be? |
| Date: 2006/02/21 03:37:44, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Ah yes
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| Date: 2006/02/21 03:55:57, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Yeah. If you bust out laughing when some nitwit says at Uncommon Descent, "I'm amazed that our critics never tackle the substance of our arguments.", then you'll laugh at Python.
Martin Brazeau: I just chopped your head off. Ghost of Paley: No you didn't. Brazeau: What's that there? Ghost of Paley: Tis but a flesh wound! |
| Date: 2006/02/21 05:51:15, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL reminds me of a line from Andrew Sullivan's blog:
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| Date: 2006/02/21 12:41:00, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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opinions on whether this'll be any good? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ |
| Date: 2006/02/21 17:26:52, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I think though, even if you just had two people, if one had alleles for A and O, and the other B and O, you could get kids with A, B, AB, or O. |
| Date: 2006/02/22 03:29:45, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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To add to what tacitus said, it's natural to dislike the government. So the european system of making the clergy an official power is, the clergy recieves the same kind of love and goodwill the tax collector feels. Also, Pangloss is right, Americans historically chose their flavor of christianity voluntarily, rather than having it imposed by King whoever. |
| Date: 2006/02/22 03:37:46, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| In a sense, I don't think the former school board has anything to apologize for, if it was representing the will of the voters. If the majority of voters elect a group of retards, why should the retards have to apologize to said voters when they go on do something retarded? |
| Date: 2006/02/22 03:51:30, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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PicoFarad, who might actually be DaveScot, might be JAD, but is at the very least an Uncommon Pissant devotee, claims my criticism of DaveScot's wildly inaccurate description of blood type proteins is unimportant because it was a decade ago, and DS presumably could have learned a great deal in the meantime. But that of course misses the point, which is that DaveScot is willing to lecture about biology on topics he's completely ignorant about, in service to creationism. And no, that isn't two errors I found, it was an error per sentence. His description of blood types would be obviously wrong to even a good high school biology student. |
| Date: 2006/02/22 04:02:58, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| PF also makes a weird case of Argument from Authority above, suggesting that because DaveScot had some success as an engineer, his biological statements, already shown to be trivially wrong, should be given respect. The thing is, we've seen DaveScot bungle biology, and we've never seen him demonstrate any expertise in the field, so he gets no love. |
| Date: 2006/02/22 04:12:18, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Speaking of DaveScot, Dembski's explanation that Intelligent Design and The Bible Codes were identical in methodology got a lot of airtime here and on PT. Did anyone else notice that DaveScot didn't touch that with a ten foot pole? |
| Date: 2006/02/22 05:33:11, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Of course when the officials are violating someone's rights with the approval of the public, that can't be tolerated. But here the public is having to pay money as a consequence of their representatives having done what they elected them to do. The representatives didn't double-cross the people, they did what the people knew they'd do, so they don't owe those people any apology. What they maybe should apologize for, though, is acting in a way that voided their insurance policy. I think even though the voters wanted creationists, and got creationists, they might have expected that even creationists would not have been so irresponsible and stupid as to do that. |
| Date: 2006/02/22 10:01:22, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
LOL. Some guy named PaV, who is apparently not the sharpest reptile tooth in the mutant chicken's beak, has posted at Uncommon Pissant about the mutant chicken alligator teeth story we're all talking about today. He says,
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| Date: 2006/02/22 10:39:06, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I had to read through a bunch of powerpoint, but I think i finally found, last year, that the school district had a budget of about $15 million. |
| Date: 2006/02/23 02:45:48, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I never understood anything about that human sacrifice religion of theirs. |
| Date: 2006/02/23 07:34:02, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| which comments were deleted? |
| Date: 2006/02/23 08:04:13, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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is Uncommon Descent offline? Or did they just go into a deletion frenzy and accidently delete everthing? update: now it seems to be back up. |
| Date: 2006/02/23 11:54:57, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
hehe I would have said
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| Date: 2006/02/23 15:18:10, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Don't demean tits by comparing them to DaveScot. ;-) |
| Date: 2006/02/24 04:36:40, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Some days ago I claimed that contributor PaV on Uncommon Pissant was not playing with a full deck. I present to you evidence of this:
Yes, you read that right, the scientific community is conspiring against ID like they conspired against Velikovsky. |
| Date: 2006/02/24 04:55:14, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
I love that whole thread, it's hilarious. Here's a good part:
I also love this brilliant comment from DS:
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| Date: 2006/02/24 05:44:26, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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you all have GOT to check out this post "Tolstoy’s Last Letter". http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/858 It's so sad, their feeble efforts. |
| Date: 2006/02/24 06:35:42, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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According to Ed Brayton, Dembski is misrepresenting that excerpt. http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....toy.php I know you're all shocked that Dembksi would do something like that. |
| Date: 2006/02/24 09:05:10, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I would like to point out that DaveScot's post on abortion accords with the Wedge Document:
from http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html |
| Date: 2006/02/25 05:58:48, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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You should have just let him stew. But such batshit insanity is amusing to read. Not amusing enough to read the whole tedious thing, though. Speaking of batshit insanity, did you see that On a Lighter Note post on Uncommon Descent? In it, David Berlinsky equates ID with Copernicus, evolution with Ptolemaic astronomy, and Dembski with Isaac Newton. It is actually a pretty boring read. The creationists may call Richard Dawkins snide, but he doesn't hold a candle to Berlinski. |
| Date: 2006/02/25 06:26:56, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Does Dembski still read his own blog? If he does, I bet he's pissed that DaveScot allows such an obvious crank like JAD to lower the property values. |
| Date: 2006/02/25 12:10:00, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/25 14:51:19, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| According to this post, http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/861 , Holt has altered textbooks at the behest of the Discovery Institute. |
| Date: 2006/02/26 04:13:40, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Over on Uncommon Pissant, salvadum points us to an amusing quote from Bill Dembski:
No religion there. |
| Date: 2006/02/26 12:06:13, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| He is right in an abstract sense, though. Typing wholly incorrect things and then hitting the Add Reply button is too easy. |
| Date: 2006/02/26 12:13:45, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
Now let's look at Slaveador Cordova's behavior at Uncommon Descent. He quotes a story about a rise in creationism in the UK. Here's Salvador's quote of the story:
Now here's the article as it appeared in the UK Guardian:
Some choice edits Salvador made, eh? |
| Date: 2006/02/27 03:15:18, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Like the rest of you, I'd heard Henry Morris's name for years. Didn't bother to find out who he was. Then yesterday, Savior Cordova posted here http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/863#comments that Morris was a professor of Engineering. (smacks forehead) Of course. What did I think he would have been? A biologist? |
| Date: 2006/02/28 02:58:36, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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LOL I just came over here to mention DaveScot's reference to his alter-ego PicoFarad.Ditto on what Russel said--I'm not even taking my new Ironometer out of the box when DaveScot's around. Notice him also, on Uncommon Pissant, correcting Craig Venter about DNA. I think he calls himself PicoFarad because when he unleashes all his power, the result is hard to notice. |
| Date: 2006/02/28 05:25:57, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/28 07:48:30, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Q: What is the theory of Flinkywisty? A: The theory of Flinkywisty says that living things exhibit Flinkywisty. Q: What is Flinkywisty? A: It's kind of like human Flinkywisty. It alters probabilities, perhaps. Or something. Q: How did the living things wind up with the Flinkywisty? A: That question is entirely off limits to science. Ask a philosopher. Q: How do you know a living thing has Flinkywisty? A: Living things are like paintings, right? Paintings have flinkywisty. I mean, it's obvious. Q: So life didn't evolve? A: Of course not! Where would the Flinkywisty have come from? Q: um...just from natural selection? A: NO NO NO NO NO. That's just Apparent Flinkywisty. Q: So nature can put in Flinkywisty? A: If it does, that was Front-loaded Flinkywisty. Q: And what does Flinkywisty Theory tell us about the world? A: It's not my job to deal with pathetic details. Q: Anything else? A: Would you like to buy my book? |
| Date: 2006/02/28 08:06:16, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Flinkywisty takes NO POSITION on the age of the Earth. |
| Date: 2006/02/28 08:11:43, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Great! Simply mail $30 by check or money order to Flinkywisty Jesus Newsletter 777 E Christ is Lord Street, Jesusville, Md 90210 There are only two rules to being in the Flinkywisty club: 1 You can subscribe as long as you're christian. 2 Religion has absolutely nothing to do with this. I'm amazed you could even thing such a thing. Are you a bigot? |
| Date: 2006/02/28 08:53:35, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I agree! You're an anti-religious jesus hating bigot for disagreeing with our completely secular idea. And you're an atheist. |
| Date: 2006/02/28 11:56:57, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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ID appears, using classical logic, to be inconsistent in the words of its adherents. George Gilder can say there is no content, while others say it's a positive argument. Some can say the definition of science must be expanded to include ID, others say it's already science. Some say ID does not have to predict the little details, others can say Hoyle used it to do just that. Some say it requires math and engineering know-how, while some say it's obvious. I agree, these are contradictory states, but you see, that's not a problem--ID is simply a new type of Quantum Science. Just as a particle can be in two mutually exclusive states so long as it's not observed, so can ID. All these contradictions are fine, since as we all know, the theory of ID has never been observed. |
| Date: 2006/02/28 12:03:54, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/02/28 16:02:16, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Flinkywisty Theory does not have to explain those either. All it proves is that living things are Flinkywisty. I notice you 'scientists' have utterly failed to explain how RM+NS could explain Flinkywisty. |
| Date: 2006/03/01 03:16:36, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Ever get the feeling that the entire ID movement can be summarized as a few religious zealots looking over at scientists and yelling "You SUCK!" |
| Date: 2006/03/01 06:04:06, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Is Intelligent Design atheistic? Evolution's been accused of being atheistic. Why isn't intelligent design atheistic? |
| Date: 2006/03/01 06:20:37, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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Remember last week, when the morons at Uncommon Descent were misinterpreting Tolstoy to be an evolution denier? As if that would matter even if it were true? behold today!
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| Date: 2006/03/01 08:36:56, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Irony, thy name is Uncommon Pissant. Said today about Ken Miller's remarks that ID was bad for the future of science in America:
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| Date: 2006/03/01 10:40:23, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I don't want the IDiots coming over here, Puck. Not on this particular thread. On this thread I just like to repeat, with laughter, things they say over there. I do not want this thread to turn into an Andy H / Carol Clouser style trainwreck. You'll notice my initials are not PvM. The purpose I had in mind when i started this thread 1000 comments ago, was a place where people who enjoyed laughing at the mind-boggling craziness of the creationists at Uncommon Pissant could tip each other off to zany UP comments, and riff on them. I like having a thread specifically for that. It would be better to argue with creationists on other threads. Russell, Through The Looking Glass really sums it up. When I read that UP commenter say that the PR campaign that was evolution would not be able to stop the stream of scientific data and papers that was ID, my brain was thrown offline. My mind just went blank, so hard was it sprained.  "Uhh...uhhh......What?" |
| Date: 2006/03/01 11:04:05, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Of course, if you are going to enable JAD to post here by proxy, this is the way to do it, on a dedicated thread, where people can easily avoid it if they want. |
| Date: 2006/03/01 12:35:10, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||||||||
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It's really a banner day over at Uncommon Pissant. Here we go:
Leaving aside the poor writing here, evolution was invented as a psychological balm? Huh. the 150 years of agreement with data is one he11 of a coincidence then. |
| Date: 2006/03/01 13:56:47, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I meant to include that one, it's almost the first thing I saw. "The ID scienceS"? WTF. Those guys are delusional. |
| Date: 2006/03/01 16:26:53, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Maybe he's trying to make himself look more worldly. In fact, we just imagine a dorkier young Dembski in prep school, imagining himself exposed to the underworld. Yeah, money and family circumstances might have gotten him into prep school and U Chicago, but it was his talent which got him to Kentucky Bible College. |
| Date: 2006/03/02 08:19:28, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Embarrass any creationist who accuses PT of censorship by telling them that on 1/20/2006, DaveScot banned, from Bill Dembski's weblog, more people than PT (and AtBC combined) has banned in its 2-year history. |
| Date: 2006/03/02 11:07:00, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
But it's perfectly easy to understand why engineers comprise such a large subset of educated creationist. 1 They spend years working around complex systems which were all designed. 2 They don't have any biology training to know how successful evolution is, or how large the mountain of evidence is 3 They have enough technical skill to feel confident in the face of opposition. Add religion, and you have excellent targets for the ID meme. |
| Date: 2006/03/02 11:54:43, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
by way of Kevin Drum |
| Date: 2006/03/02 12:48:45, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| In certain situations involving large infrastructure investments, it's believed that a regulated monopoly can provide the best benefit. Cable is one such market, so pricing is regulated by the FCC or FTC or someone. The a la carte pricing change would require a change of regulation, is why it's a legal issue. |
| Date: 2006/03/02 15:41:56, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| "This is his body, this is his blood...uh...this is his complementary garlic bread..." |
| Date: 2006/03/03 02:54:14, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
No argument here. |
| Date: 2006/03/03 04:42:36, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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The dum-dums are at it again. Sewell and Cordova are back, to once again abuse the 2nd law of thermodynamics. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/884#comments |
| Date: 2006/03/03 07:59:51, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Actually, admitting he was wrong, and taken in by frauds, is the one thing that would make us respect him. The embarrassing thing is insisting otherwise. |
| Date: 2006/03/03 10:27:40, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||||
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OMFG. I think I have just seen the dumbest misunderstanding which has taken place on Uncommon Pissant to date. I can hardly believe what I'm reading. Okay, so Granville Sewell is back with a dumb idea about thermodynamics which is supposed to prove ID. You might remember Mark Perakh on PT a month ago destroying his last great thermo proof of ID. Well, he's got a new one.
Well anyway, we all know about this guy over there, ftrp11, because although he's a creationist, he's shown some resistance to the dumber arguments they've made. He shows up and objects to Sewell's dumb idea:
Since according to the hypothesis everything is totally impossible, that makes Intelligent Designer more necessary than ever. wow. just wow. |
| Date: 2006/03/03 10:35:40, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
There has never been a source of humor so deep and inexhaustible as the Intelligent Design / Creationist movement. |
| Date: 2006/03/03 11:27:55, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
The Uncommon Descent Comedy Train rolls on inexorably:
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| Date: 2006/03/04 04:12:06, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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Man. Now other people have shown up and are trying to correct this guy, and it's not working. He's maintaining that the SLoT prevents the amount of 'complex specified information' we see on Earth. This is so great. Read the whole thing. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/884#comments But if you won't, here's the bestest post:
S=k*ln(omega) + CountervailingInfluence |
| Date: 2006/03/04 05:08:39, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I just watched Sewell's idiotic presentation from the link on Dembski's site. It's 14 minutes of dumbass. Probably not worth your time, though around the 12 minute mark he says some unintentionally funny things about how you don't even have to know any biology to see that evolution is impossible, and in fact he hasn't found any biologists impressed by his argument, though he has found others, like engineers and mathematicians. It's a little painful to listen to, because Sewell's voice is as pretty as Dembski's face. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 05:12:15, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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He also complains that he doesn't get any respect. Boo hoo hoo, nancyboy. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 05:38:00, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Yeah. Davison's fueled by 100-octane crazy. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 05:48:52, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| FYI, here's Mark Perakh giving Sewell a bitch slap |
| Date: 2006/03/04 06:26:43, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Didn't you know all caps is a sign of brilliant communication? Consider this passage from Hamlet:
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| Date: 2006/03/04 06:31:04, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/04 06:57:48, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| He might have been. I had to look a while to find where he injected his comments into a comment, something he used to do every second or third comment, but he did so on the Ken Miller post two days ago. He's still in power, but perhaps he's been weakened. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 07:27:08, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Well, he made some interesting comments in that fiasco, where he said, intelligently, 'look, arguing against common descent is complete idiocy, we can't justify it as science, and we'll lose lose lose if we don't jettison it' and shortly after that he got shouted down by Discovery Instituters like Paul Nelson who argue against common descent. So there's a good chance he's pissed off and depressed about the movement. Anybody who's not totally deluded can see what's happening to the ID Titanic. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 07:49:05, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Does Dave know that some of the people on that site, like one of the people who shouted him down, Paul Nelson, and Dave's coadministrator Slaveador Cordova, are Young Earth Creationists? |
| Date: 2006/03/04 08:08:14, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I think Alan noticed something real. DaveScot is just not the hyperactive baninator he used to be, baninating the countryside, baninating the peasants, baninating all the people and the thatched-roof cottages... |
| Date: 2006/03/04 09:06:49, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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ID is starting to meet the legal system and be obliterated. Soon creationists are going to turn to a new strategy. What will the strategy be? I have no idea. But I can tell you what I'd do, if I were them. I would create a system of creationist science classes, and tell parents it's an innoculation against the evils of Darwinism. I'd assemble a network of instructors, which would be creationists with any kind of undergrad science degree. And I'd try to get churches and rich christians to sponsor the meetings. Meetings would be once a week, an hour each time, for perhaps two months. All the creationist 'science' would be taught in those eight lessons. Privileged Planet would be shown, and maybe a tour to a Natural Sciences museum with a creationist tourguide. Since it's not official, no judge could stop me, and I would be able to give the kids creationism with both barrels, not the pussyfooting Intelligent Design business. And a lot of the program would be devoted to things like Icons of Evolution, where scientists are portayed as scheming liars. That way, when the kids do get to high school science classes, they are already suspicious of the whole thing, and find it easier to reject. That would be my plan. what about the rest of you? What would you do? |
| Date: 2006/03/04 10:09:29, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
Tuxedo shirt, really. No, not for any reason. Just because. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 10:20:19, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
This happened a few miles from my apartment:
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| Date: 2006/03/04 11:13:10, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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a disaster? Why, because it would make Americans into religious nuts who don't know science? too late. I'm an atheist who lives in the South. To me, it wouldn't make much difference if every politician in every position in the country, as well as every primary and secondary school teacher, were replaced by Pat Robertson. What would it change? Would the word god be changed to jesus on the coins in my pocket? would I be asked to put both hands on the bible in court? would the budget of the faith-based initiatives program be doubled? Would Bush stop caring so much about the environment? I'd hardly notice. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 11:25:46, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I love the christian exodus movement. that's the first time i've seen 'Phaoro....Pharoa...dammit, how do you spell that...Pharoah. that's the first time I've seen 'Pharoah' used in place of 'government'. That's awesome.
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| Date: 2006/03/04 14:04:59, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
This is a lounge. I'm drinking some guinness and talking about interesting stuff.
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| Date: 2006/03/04 14:43:14, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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When at the second-worst Barnes and Noble in the world this afternoon, at the Southpoint Mall in Durham, I picked up Jeeves in the Morning, having heard great things about Wodehouse by people such as Hitchens. I wasn't sure which one to start with, but they all looked somewhat self-contained, so I picked the cheapest one. Anybody here a Wodehouse fan? Any recommendations? |
| Date: 2006/03/04 15:40:52, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I'm watching that right now on the tivo. This Ori thing is kind of interesting. they're a better enemy than the Gou'auou'uould |
| Date: 2006/03/04 16:34:38, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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There's a creationist over at Uncommon Pissant who's not getting why Sewell's SLoT arguments are nonsense. Several actually. Dembski, Cordova, a few others. Apparently something's going on with DaveScot because people are making anti-Sewell comments on the blog. This never would have been permitted under DaveScot's ordinary regime. Anyway, I still won't bother to try to comment there, so I'm putting my comment here, since we know they read us. RedReader, if you don't get why Sewell's thermodynamics argument belongs in a litterbox, here are two explanations-- jason rosenhouse mark perakh |
| Date: 2006/03/04 17:18:37, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| hey Shi, check out www.fixedearth.com . That guy falsifies heliocentrism with the same brilliant level of logic with which you falsified uh ‘Darwinism’. |
| Date: 2006/03/04 18:19:19, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| google video player is the crappiest piece of software ever written by anyone anywhere, from the moment Ada lovelace picked up a pencil in 1842, to the moment I typed the period at the end of this sentence. |
| Date: 2006/03/05 14:46:18, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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the worst one i've ever been to, is that one at Southpoint. The employees never pick up the phone, their science section is smaller than the one in my apartment, and there are never fewer than 20 people in line at the cafe. When I called it second worst, I was merely leaving room for the possible existence of a Barnes and Noble in the Sudan, or maybe downtown Baghdad. ;-) |
| Date: 2006/03/05 15:30:21, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| if i were him, i'd take extra glee in how his Uncommon Pissant devotees fall in line. Over there right now, they're defending Sewell, because their Master and Commander approved of him. |
| Date: 2006/03/06 04:03:01, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Hmm. apparently 'joy in the morning' and 'jeeves in the morning' are two titles for the same book. I have to say, as I sat down to read it this weekend I was enchanted from the first sentence: "After the thing was all over, when peril had ceased to loom, and happy endings had been distributed in heaping handfuls..." |
| Date: 2006/03/06 04:06:32, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/06 08:25:29, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||
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Thermal equilibrium is not where the 'heat is uniform'. Heat is not a state variable.
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| Date: 2006/03/06 10:39:14, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/06 10:42:24, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I also didn't see a tally, so last year I emailed them. I was disappointed when they said they had around 700 people so far. I was hoping it was more like 7 million. |
| Date: 2006/03/06 13:24:01, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
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this is great. Salvador starts talking about getting ID into university philosophy classes, http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/889#comments and someone shows up and asks:
You can't teach ID in college because there's nothing there. No theory, no experiments, no results. |
| Date: 2006/03/06 14:19:08, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Sal needs to cash in on this and write an Intelligent Design book while there's still money to be made. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 02:38:15, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||||
I call DaveScot a retard, but that's really not fair to actual retards, who as far as I know are perfectly nice people. I need a new word. How about DaveTard? I think that describes the following:
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| Date: 2006/03/07 02:50:02, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Rilke: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/886#comments Why post in ignorance? that's the amazing part. the words 'energy in photons' in davetard's post is a link to a wikipedia page which contradicts davetard. see for yourself, it's just fantastic. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 02:57:52, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I don't know, and the person didn't specify, what other things Dembski is up to. I checked ID The Future, but there's nothing new there. Maybe he's busy at that bible college he works for. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 05:46:27, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
It is a rule--you're not allowed to be an ID supporter unless you regularly embarras yourself. Here's a new post from Dembski:
Having actually done research in biophysics (unpublished, sadly), I commented:
Don't expect to see my reply on the site any time soon. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/892 |
| Date: 2006/03/07 06:32:27, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Davescot is not correct. Energy is not measured in units of temperature. A relationship exists between the two, but it's not the same. It's like saying that for photons, energy is measured in units of meters. No. Wavelength can also tell you the energy, but it's not the same thing. Just to be a tedious pain in the a55 about it. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 07:34:24, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I've gotten a couple emails about this, so I'll elaborate a bit: Temperature and energy are usually related. You can usually find out one from the other. But that doesn't mean they're the same thing, just that there's a relationship. Davescot thinks that temperature == amount of heat == energy, but all these things are very different if you look at them closely in for instance a thermodynamics class, which Dave has apparently never had. Here are three really good pages to read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae210.cfm especially the last one is relevant to the question at hand. A single photon does not really have a temperature. When someone talks about the temperature of some photons, they mean what temperature blackbody would give such a radiation spectrum. It's complicated stuff, but really interesting. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 08:23:58, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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exactly Arden. Davescot, you make me do this to you... |
| Date: 2006/03/07 08:38:23, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| 'Davetard' has such a great sound. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 09:54:53, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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it's gut science because it produces crap. edit: dangit. beaten by Sir TJ |
| Date: 2006/03/07 09:59:31, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Where are they getting these sentences from?  In many cases, entropy is extensive, so if you're calling information entropy, yes, you can get more by duplicating it. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 10:05:29, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I think just from the 39 pages of this thread, you could get enough info to justify ignoring ID forever. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 10:24:01, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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hehe, that's so awesome. everybody else, you have to check that out: http://www.repentamerica.com/ love that title page. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 11:12:06, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
WOW! Davetard is back with a vengeance:
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| Date: 2006/03/07 11:24:58, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Isn't that amazing? Dembski links to work that has nothing to do with ID, just because the words intelligent design are in the title. And his followers will dutifully support him. And we will laugh. |
| Date: 2006/03/07 12:41:17, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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We're nearing 1200 replies and 30,000 views on this, the greatest thread of all time. And I'd like to thank the person who make it all possible: Davetard. Davetard, without you, we could never have had enough material. You didn't just suck; you sucked above and beyond the call of duty. You've taken sucking to whole new level--you make it look easy. May you give us another 1200 comments' worth of material. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 02:05:18, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
UncommonlyDense...that's great.
LOL |
| Date: 2006/03/08 02:43:00, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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Doug Moron, jealous at all the attention Davetard is getting, has decided to rectify the situation with a post in which he compares evolutionists to the black knight. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/896 |
| Date: 2006/03/08 02:49:45, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| my favorite part is where he explains that atheists are necessarily intellectually dishonest. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 02:52:56, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
new favorite part:
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| Date: 2006/03/08 03:30:09, Link 71.16.105.138 |
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I'll never understand how an adult human being can write the part about how christians such as himself are intellectually honest, because they can without worry follow where any scientific theory goes, since science can never disprove or prove god; and atheists are dishonest, since they a priori must reject any science which implies the existence of god. (if you're confused by my paraphrasing, go read the original) It's just amazingly dumb. I saved a copy in case he understands what he wrote and deletes it. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 03:35:58, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
here's the part i was talking about:
1-science can't provide evidence for god 2-yes it can |
| Date: 2006/03/08 03:40:22, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I agree Russell. If someday the mask comes off and Davetard, DougMoron, etc all announce that this has been an elaborate performance piece, I will lead a standing ovation. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 04:14:58, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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never put jam on a magnet. --Paul's Letters to the Corinthians |
| Date: 2006/03/08 06:05:51, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| no you can't, or else I'd have the whole set on DVD. You just have to sit back and let it bubble up naturally from Tard Springs. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 09:58:28, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Such a total reversal of terms would be religious zealots attacking scientists for being dogmatists. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 13:12:56, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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PuckSR, I will bet you that DougMoron is For Reals. Think of a bet item. what kind of beer/liquor do you like? I like coconut rum, myself. I'll bet you a bottle of coconut rum / whatever you like, that Doug Moron is not kidding. think of a way to verify, and we're on. There is nothing so stupid, that religion cannot make people believe it. |
| Date: 2006/03/08 15:34:08, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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I've been toying with the idea of switching for a year now. Pros: elegant OSX Ease of setup/reinstalls pretty hardware cons: less software much more expensive steve jobs's occasional insanity dependant on one company The machine i'm using at home is a Dell from 1999. At work I run lots of MatLab etc, but at home I just chat and read webpages. So I haven't been forced to upgrade. But I will need to decide, sooner or later, whether to switch. anybody got any helpful advice? |
| Date: 2006/03/08 15:57:49, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| but the apple's so pretty.... |
| Date: 2006/03/08 16:27:49, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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`Have some Intelligent Design Theory,' the Doug Moron said in an encouraging tone. Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. `I don't see any ID Theory,' she remarked. `There isn't any,' said the Paul Nelson. `Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily. Alice I've had enough of your crap. You're outta here. -ds |
| Date: 2006/03/09 02:10:24, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| credit has to go to Fross for suggesting the tea party thing. |
| Date: 2006/03/09 03:26:53, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| yeah, in terms of easy use/maintenence the mac seems to be the winner. now that they've moved to intel hardware it'll be better. my 1999 500 mhz dell running XP is faster than the eMacs I used at NCSU running OSX. I think I'll wait for them to iron out any bugs from the hardware change, and then get a Mac mini or something. |
| Date: 2006/03/09 04:03:58, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
for some reason, Jack Krebs imagines Uncommon Pissant might be a good place to have a discussion.
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| Date: 2006/03/09 07:55:09, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
even the Uncommon Pissanters are offended by Davetard:
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| Date: 2006/03/09 12:29:03, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
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But don't focus on Davetard's boring errors, focus on the incredible ones, like when he said he breaks the SLoT by typing a sentence. Now that's comedy.
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| Date: 2006/03/09 12:47:12, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
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Davetard:
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| Date: 2006/03/09 13:04:52, Link 71.70.216.46 |
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There is no minimum number, dumbass, you're sampling from a mother distribution. The mother distribution is a curve in the shape of Planck's law for blackbodies for an unknown T. The more photons you get, the smaller you can make the confidence intervals. Oh, davetard, you're just making it worse. Please go back to Uncommon Pissant and write more about how the Panda's Thumb crew burned down those churches. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 02:19:37, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/10 02:50:11, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
Evolution Discovery Really Supports Intelligent Design |
| Date: 2006/03/10 03:03:12, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
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somebody at UP tried to show dougmoron that he had a contradiction: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/896 dougmoron apparently couldn't argue otherwise, so he resorted to insult. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 03:15:09, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/10 03:32:47, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Plantinga's attempts to justify christianity don't impress many other philosophers, anymore than his newspaper article impresses me. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 03:40:33, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/10 03:45:48, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/10 06:00:23, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| someone asked a while back, if Davetard is removed from power, will it make ID less amusing and entertaining. I was not sure, but after seeing him blame the church arsons on Panda's Thumb, I have to say, yes. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 06:06:32, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| Dembski is a dualist, I believe. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 10:01:02, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| good going, Davetard. Now if you spend a month or so looking at the word 'peak' in your explanation, you might see what we've been trying to explain to you. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 10:38:13, Link 71.16.105.138 |
| Author: stevestory |
| hint: it's less than 50% |
| Date: 2006/03/10 10:54:01, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
This began with Davetard saying:
Dougmoron exhibited the same kind of behavior Davetard is exhibiting here--the inability to admit to a basic error. Everybody makes mistakes. Dave makes three in the first twe sentences of that excerpt. Energy isn't measured in kelvin, it's not degrees kelvin, and temperature is not the same thing as heat. When Davetard said this, he showed us ignorance and insult. But not admitting the error just adds stubbornness to the mix. |
| Date: 2006/03/10 10:59:31, Link 71.16.105.138 | ||
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| Date: 2006/03/10 11:45:46, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| I hadn't read your posts before, and now I have, and you actually think ID is science, so best of luck, but I'm not going to bother trying to explain anything to you. I'm sure one of the numerous people who likes to talk to creationists will oblige you. |
| Date: 2006/03/11 06:08:11, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
I know the idea of a forum which doesn't enforce a rigid ideology gives Davetard the howling fantods, but tough titty said the kitty. |
| Date: 2006/03/11 06:37:58, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
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yeah, that's not going to make it, unless Davetard's on vacation. Wahrheit ist Verboten!  |
| Date: 2006/03/11 06:46:50, Link 71.70.216.46 |
| Author: stevestory |
| "Uncommonly Dense" really is just superior. I hereby renounce my support for the nickname Uncommon Pissant, and pledge my loyalty to Uncommonly Dense. |
| Date: 2006/03/11 07:20:35, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||
| Author: stevestory | ||
(from the Uncommonly Dense 'liquid water on Saturn's moon' thread)
Is this idiot saying that the liquid water on Enceladus implies intelligent design? How many times am I going to see these non sequiturs? A moon has heat, therefore Intelligent Design. The cosmological constant is not something it isn't, therefore Intelligent Design. Eclipses give you a great view of the corona, therefore Intelligent Design. Will I go to Uncommonly Dense tomorrow and see "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously, therefore Intelligent Design"? Will these cretins at least bother to create an argument? Irrelevant Fact X therefore Intelligent Design is not an argument. But it probably looks like one to people who can't tell the difference between ID and science. |
| Date: 2006/03/11 12:08:32, Link 71.70.216.46 | ||||
| Author: stevestory | ||||
The guys at Uncommon Descent are no holds barred, major league world champion unintentional ironists. There's no higher level of play. In terms of irony, that is The Show. to wit: there is a thread where DougMoron wrote an essay about how important it was to be intellectually honest. http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/896 To follow the evidence wherever it may lead. can you see where this is going? Well in the essay, he made an obvious boneheaded doofus contradiction, which has been pointed out on this thread. He claims that as a christian he has no problem following the evidence wherever it may lead, since evidence can't go to the question of whether there's a god. Several sentences later, he's forgotten about this, perhaps, because he says that atheists can't be objective, because in order to maintain their atheism, they are compelled to ignore any evidence which implies there's a god. I mean, duh. Pretty boneheaded, considering that the sentences are about a paragraph apart. But that's nothing. That would just be an error, made by a person who thinks too highly of himself. Well, here's where DougMoron distinguishes himself, and really goes the extra mile, drawing deep from some inner reserve that separates the boys from the Major League Supreme Ninja ironists. Somebody pointed out that there's an error here, and I'll quote all the comments from there out:
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