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Date: 2006/01/17 18:13:51, Link 71.131.201.150
Author: keiths
It gets even better... DaveScot just "accidentally" deleted all of my comments (I was posting as 'woctor').  Notice that he turns comments off so nobody can complain about the censorship:

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January 17, 2006
(Off Topic) Server Glitch
Our server seems to have hiccuped and lost a whole bunch of woctor’s comments. The management apologizes for this unfortunate event.  

Filed under: Intelligent Design — DaveScot @ 10:46 pm
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Date: 2006/01/17 18:45:05, Link 71.131.201.150
Author: keiths
He's even invited John Davison back on the blog.  See this thread:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/667#comments

Check out John's first post:
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Dave

Thanks for letting me return to Dr. Dembski’s blog. I apologise for making this comment on my own blog:

It seems things are really falling apart over at “Uncommon Descent” since Dembski turned over the reins to DaveScot. Dembski has had to return in a frantic attempt to restore order. I find it all very amusing. The very title of that blog raises my hackles. Like Groucho Marx -

“I wouldn’t belong to an organization that would have me for a member.”

Of course since I have been banned for life from that forum I am eternally grateful, just as I am for the actions by ARN, EvC, Fringe Sciences, Panda’s Thumb and the several other “groupthink” closed union shops with which the internet abounds.

All alone is the only place to be these days.

I love it so!

Comment by John Davison — January 17, 2006 @ 1:28 pm

I'm with Mr. Christopher -- that site is the best!

Date: 2006/01/17 22:40:42, Link 71.131.201.150
Author: keiths
Davison posted on UD today.  I put a copy of his post on the AtBC "Official Uncommon Pissant Discussion Thread."

It's pretty funny (as usual for JAD).

Date: 2006/01/19 11:18:51, Link 71.131.202.230
Author: keiths
Salvador Cordova is now a 'contributor' at UD.  His first post?  "Intelligent Design in the National Football League."

Date: 2006/01/22 13:21:59, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
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stevestory wrote:
From Uncommon Pissant, an example of what happens when people use big words to sound all smart-like.

Red Reader regularly makes a fool of himself on UD.  My favorite example is his response to John Davison's "Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis".  Apparently the word "Evolutionary" set Red off like Pavlov's bell:
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Red Reader wrote:
Just a desperate “big idea” for funding and publicity which necessarily includes enough bogus obfuscation to brand those who oppose or even question it as “unscientific”.

After a few other comments were posted, Red realized he was on the "wrong" side of the issue.  He sheepishly retracted his criticism:
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Red Reader wrote:If I may, I would like to apologize to Dr. Davison for my ill considered and intemperate remark. It is obvious that Prof. Davison has put a lot of thought into his hypothesis. I hate to say it but it’s true: I engaged my opinion before I put my brain in gear.

I love it when ID supporters have to be told what the "correct" position is.  Of course it's even worse when your opponents know your position better than you do.  I once had to tell Josh Bozeman to "stay on your own side of the argument!" when he picked the "wrong" side.

Date: 2006/01/22 13:41:47, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Another good Red Reader story.  He criticized me once for not agreeing often enough with ID supporters:
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Red Reader wrote:
I see Dave, Josh, Pav (in the this post) continously making good points–logical, fair, reasoned.
But the contrarian never acceeds a single point.
Why is this? The law of averages suggests that between them–Dave, Josh & Pav (not to mention numerous others in different threads)–they would by complete accident make at least one statement in three (more or less) that the contrarian could agree with.

Apart from the bizarre probabilistic reasoning and the oxymoronic idea of Josh Bozeman making a "logical, fair, reasoned" point, the fact was that I did agree with ID supporters (including DaveScot -- forgive me) when they said something sensible.  I even defended Bill Dembski on a couple of occasions when he was unfairly attacked.
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I wrote to Red:
Perhaps you can show me the many comments in which you agree with Darwinians, so I’ll have an example to follow.

Needless to say, no such examples were forthcoming.

Date: 2006/01/22 21:25:32, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
My sister dated a guy named Darwin in high school in Indiana (not a particularly evolution-friendly place).  To my knowledge he was never taunted for it, but he was also the starting varsity quarterback which granted him a certain degree of immunity.

Date: 2006/01/23 10:50:14, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
DaveScot has heaped scorn on many (if not most) ID supporters in the past week.  No wonder they're rebelling against him.
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From a letter to the Kansas Board of Education from Elie Wiesel and 37 other Nobel laureates:
Logically derived from confirmable evidence, evolution is understood to be the result of an unguided, unplanned process of random variation and natural selection.

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DaveScot wrote regarding the above definition:
As all of us who don’t cling to strawman versions of ID know, the only bone we have to pick with that definition is the unguided, unplanned part. We are of the position that evolution, in part or in whole, was a guided or planned process. (From http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/689 )

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DaveScot again, scolding Red Reader:
I think you’re conflating macro-evolution with Darwinian evolution. The evidence in support of descent with modification from a universal common ancestor over the course of billions of years is compelling. Logically arguable but practically undeniable. If you argue against that you get laughed at and I’ll be hard pressed to suppress a chuckle myself.  
(From http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/697 )

True to form, Dave manages to alienate many (if not most) ID supporters by labeling their skepticism of common descent as laughable, disparaging them for trying to "cling to a strawman version of ID."  Whether he realizes it or not, he also slams ID leaders who reject common descent, including Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson and Stephen Meyer.

Best of all, he manages to contradict himself.  Here is Dave responding to a comment of mine on December 24, 2005:
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DaveScot wrote:
I’m agnostic regarding common descent vs. common design. How can one distinguish between the two?
(From http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/606 )

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Wonderpants asks:
Anyone want to bet how long it'll be before that place consists of DaveScot talking to himself, with even the IDers having been banned?

I'm expecting him to stage a late night coup and ban the other moderators (including Dembski).  Let's hope the server is under Dembski's physical control so he can hit the reset button.

On the other hand, I'm beginning to think sir_toejam is right that Dembski wants DaveScot to run the blog into the ground so that he can dismiss it as a few months of "street theater."

Keep going, Dave.  You're doing great!

Date: 2006/01/23 11:53:31, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Earlier, stevestory quoted a commenter on UD who suggested that DaveScot give up his role as moderator:
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Hey Dave, I haven’t seen what they’re saying and don’t intend to, but as someone who’s pretty pro ID, I would appreciate a rethink of your moderation here. Perhaps just leaving it all to someone else would be best. The signal to noise ratio here has changed since you’ve been moderating, and I’m sorta tiring hearing about you all the time and seeing others complain about your moderation, or you telling us they are.

The commenter's name was 'Shane', and he complained that his post had been deleted the first time around.

Guess what? It's been deleted for a second time.

Complain about DaveScot, no matter how honestly or constructively, and you're out of there.

Like I said, Dave, you're doing great!  Keep at it!

Date: 2006/01/23 12:44:55, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
haceaton,
Giving your son an unusual first name can lead to later political success.  Check out these names of southern politicians who hold (or held) prominent elected offices:

Lauch Faircloth
Erskine Bowles
Saxby Chambliss
Hale Boggs
Wyche Fowler
Kaneaster Hodges
Lawton Chiles
Strom Thurmond

Date: 2006/01/23 13:36:28, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
This may be nothing new to you veteran PTers, but I'm seeing John Davison in action for the first time and I'm finding it quite amusing.  After a detailed description of how to induce "semi-meiotic" reproduction, John declares:
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Now pay attention FUNDAMENTALISTS EVERYWHERE WHEREVER YOU MAY BE to what I am about to say.
This expermental procedure could offer a rational, scientifically based explanation for both the Immaculate Conception of Mary as well as a potential demonstration of the Virgin Birth of Christ. It has already been done with frogs. Don’t forget who told you so. That does not mean that I necessarily subscribe to either dogma although I may have a death bed conversion. I haven’t decided yet. Now lets get cracking with some real experiments and stop all this empty rhetoric.

I'll bet the Christians on UD are loving that.  Who invited him back?  Oh, yeah... it was DaveScot.

Date: 2006/01/23 13:43:54, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Russell wrote:
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One of the great "what ifs" of history: what if Julian had reigned as long as Constantine?

Then we'd be having all the same arguments with Jupiterian fundamentalists.

Date: 2006/01/23 14:03:38, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
stevestory wrote:
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LOL! Now the anti-"macro"evolution nuts on UD are asking DaveScot for evidence which proves his case. Let's see how successful DaveScot at convincing IDers of the facts of common descent and "macro" evolution.

I offered Dave some assistance, but my comment was deleted:
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Hey Dave,

You want some help convincing Red Reader and Saxe of the truth of common descent?

You seem a bit beleaguered lately.

Regards,
Keith S.

Date: 2006/01/23 14:13:11, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Russell,
You're probably right.  I have a somewhat pessimistic view of humanity's propensity to produce large numbers of dogmatists, regardless of historical circumstance.  Modern Europe seems to be the exception rather than the rule.

If Julian ever has a sibling, any thoughts on what you'd name him or her?

Date: 2006/01/23 17:31:28, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Julie Stahlhut wrote:
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Y'know, I'm still completely confused about how creationism ever took hold within Christianity.  What on earth does a literal interpretation of Genesis have to do with Jesus or with the New Testament?

I'm fascinated by the question, especially since I was raised as a literalist Christian and then had to reason my way out of it in adolescence.  Ocellated (a Christian who accepts evolution) has a post on this topic on his blog.  I added my two cents' worth in a comment.
http://www.ocellated.com/2006....olution

Date: 2006/01/23 17:51:31, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Pro-ID Shane, who suggested that Dave step aside as moderator, tried posting his comment for a third time after seeing it deleted twice.  This time Dave left it standing but disemvoweled it.

Shane's plea:
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nd pls dn’t dlt ths pst, fr th 3rd tm.

Date: 2006/01/24 06:42:14, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Zardoz wrote:
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As far as Dave espousing common descent; that has been his view ever since I first came in contact with his views some time ago, it's no secret at UD.

A month ago DaveScot was still claiming to be agnostic on the issue:
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I’m agnostic regarding common descent vs. common design. How can one distinguish between the two?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/606

Of course, you can distinguish the two (unless the Designer is perverse and "plants" the evidence to make common descent appear to be true).

Date: 2006/01/24 07:47:42, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Charliecrs wrote:
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the overwhelming evidence of the fossil record ?
overwhelming evidence period - no questions asked ?

No, Charlie.  Many questions asked and successfully answered.  And the evidence comes not only from the fossil record, but also from molecular biology, the geographic distribution of species and fossils, vestigial structures, embryology, and more.
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came to realize that the world is round, instead of being flat like to so called uneducated bible believers thought it was ?

I don't have the contempt for "bible believers" that you are apparently expecting.  I was raised as a biblical literalist and so I can empathize with those who still accept the Bible as God's word, although I no longer do so.
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because the earth / universe is millions  / billions of years old ? therefor we weren't made in 6 so adios los bible believers ?

Yes, the Earth is very old.  This by itself is a necessary but not sufficient condition for evolution to have occurred.
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because we have *evolved*  from the great ape *ape like*  creature ? and have the well documented, "homo every-things" as proofs ?

Yes, but not just the fossil evidence.  Also genetic similarities, morphological and molecular homologies, and the chromosomal fusion data that has recently come to light.
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Perhaps you accept Darwin for all of the above statements with a couple exceptions. I for one cant understand it.

It's not Darwin I accept, but evolution.  As for understanding it, you might find it beneficial to learn more about evolution so that you'll know why its proponents find it to be such a compelling explanation for life's diversity.

Date: 2006/01/24 14:15:03, Link 208.54.15.1
Author: keiths
Mr Christopher wrote:
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Now get this, I personally believe once I am dead I am done.  Finished.  Worm food.  In spite of this my life has much meaning, lots of things matter, and I have never advocated killing Jews, or anyone for that matter.  I have never injured another person or advocated it.  What gives?  Am I abnormal?

On behalf of Josh Bozeman, allow me to inform you that you are abnormal, but not for a Darwinist.  You are like all of the other cowardly Darwinists who are afraid to face up to the implications of their godless ideology.  Under your philosophy, love and morality are illusory.  It is hypocritical of you to be nice to children and pets.  Please commence raping, pillaging, and stealing candy from babies immediately, so that we can blame Darwinism for your crimes.  This is crucial, as the scientific arguments against Darwinism seem to be going nowhere.

Date: 2006/01/24 18:21:07, Link 71.131.208.6
Author: keiths
Borges said "I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."

I could go for that, along with a private room for occasional, uh, conversations with the young, attractive assistant librarians.

Date: 2006/01/25 06:21:12, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
stevestory wrote:
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He [DaveScot] can be occasionally rational, but he has a rage problem.

Imagine what it must have been like to work with Dave.  He also mentioned once on UD that he has children (poor souls).

Russell wrote:
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"marching orders", "free reign", "purges", "fearless leader"...anyone detect a pattern here?

Dave confirms the pattern in this quote from UD:
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I believe in a chain of command and unquestioning loyalty to it. One follows the orders of those higher in the chain and gives orders to those lower in it. Mission objectives are given, rules of engagement are defined, then mission leaders take the initiative to get the job done. Bill offered me the job of blog czar and I accepted. I then received my marching orders and got on with it. Czar is hardly suggestive of democracy or gentle persuasion. If he wanted a czar that’s what he got. If not then I’m the wrong person for this position.

Date: 2006/01/25 09:59:53, Link 66.92.189.152
Author: keiths
That thread is hilarious.  It looks like ID's "Big Tent" may be too cozy for Bombadill and DaveScot.

For the record, I agree with DaveScot that many people (especially fundamentalist Christians) don't like to hear about the complexity of animals' social interactions, since acknowledging them makes humans seem less special -- less "created in God's image."

Date: 2006/01/25 18:18:58, Link 66.92.189.152
Author: keiths
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned these factors:

1. Kooks are like snowflakes.  No two are exactly alike, and each is fascinating in his or her own way (though it does get old listening to the same kooks over and over -- it helps to have a steady stream of new kooks).

2.  The whole question of why people (both kooks and non-kooks) believe what they believe is extremely interesting.

3. It's entertaining to watch kooks in extremis.  Some of my best belly laughs of the past year have come from watching the goings-on at Uncommon Dementia (no offense to the honest and polite ID proponents there who are unfortunately overshadowed by the goofy or rude ones).

4. Defending a position properly requires knowing the subject matter thoroughly.  Even answering a kook will sometimes cause you to learn something new or to think through your position more carefully.

5. It's good to know your opponents' arguments as well as or better than they do, because then you can be confident that you're testing your own beliefs against the best available counterarguments.  Continued testing is the best prophylactic against complacent acceptance of comfortable (but wrong) ideas.

Having said all that, I think it's important to take a break if you start finding yourself to be more irritated than entertained.  There are plenty of intelligent and articulate Darwinians available to "cover" for you until you're ready to rejoin the fray.

Date: 2006/01/28 13:52:25, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
PuckSR says of DaveScot:
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Maybe someday he will become more of a skeptic and seek more rational solutions for his problems, but right now the ID/creationist movement has a guy on their side who they can hold up as a posterboy....despite the fact that he represents only a very, very, very slim minority of ID believers.

Dave doesn't usually own up to his mistakes, but he does surreptitiously change his opinions in response to countervailing evidence.  Witness his conversion over the last month from agnostic to believer on the common descent issue.  It wouldn't surprise me to see him become a neo-Darwinian as more evidence comes to light.

As for Dave being a "posterboy" for the ID movement, forget about it.  He's not smart enough, and any intelligence he does display is overshadowed by his infantile demeanor.

David Berlinski is ID's real agnostic posterboy.  He's a lot smarter than Dave, has credentials, and is much less obnoxious. He also writes better (if a bit floridly).

What they have in common is a desire to see themselves as principled intellectual loners who have followed the evidence into the wilderness while the scientific establishment remains sheep-like in well-worn pastures.

Date: 2006/01/28 16:29:29, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
Looks like Orville Johnson is giving his 56K modem (or his anonymous proxy) a workout.  But he is incorrect about DaveScot's views on common descent.  On December 23, I asked Dave (based on a prior comment of his):
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I’m confused. I thought, based on your front-loaded panspermia idea, that you accepted common descent. Or are you agnostic on the issue?

DaveScot replied:
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I’m agnostic regarding common descent vs. common design. How can one distinguish between the two?

(From http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/606 )

For the record, it's quite easy to distinguish between common descent and common design, unless the designer mimics common descent.

And PuckSR: Nice scam for getting unbanned at Uncommon Dementia.  I hope it works!

Date: 2006/01/29 06:36:18, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
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Working theory: all of the 'O. Johnson' posts in fact come from John Davison, who clearly has WAY too much time on his hands.

There are also some unmistakable DaveScotisms in the O. Johnson posts.  I think it's both JAD and Dave, and maybe some others from UD.

Date: 2006/01/29 13:27:19, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
Sorry for feeding the trolls, but common descent vs. "common design" is a frequent source of confusion over at Uncommon Dementia and might be worth addressing here.

"Otto the Orthopedist" wrote:
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If common descent cannot be logically distinguished from common design the only position one may take on it is to be agnostic.  One may have a preference for one or the other based on various factors but one cannot completely rule out either.

Otto,
If an omnipotent deity of unknown temperament is running amok, you have no way of being logically certain of ANY empirical observation of the outside world (cf. Descartes and the "evil demon").  Does the Sun truly exist, or is a deity fooling us?  Is the Earth 4.5 billion years old, or did the deity just make it look that way?  GW Bush "hisself" might be illusory, but DaveScot voted for him.  Why doesn't Dave claim to be agnostic regarding the President's existence, if logic "requires" it?

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Feel free to describe a test which can distinguish between common descent in the past and one or more deities in the past creating various organisms ex nihilo working from a common template.

Construct phylogenetic trees based on multiple morphological and molecular characters.  Common design does not require similarity between the trees.  Common descent demands a high degree of similarity.

The only way to get similar trees with common design is if the designer is mimicking common descent. As Dave and John like to say, write that down.  And pass it on to all of the other Ottos.

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I'm all ears, honey.

Otto, dear, talk to your colleagues in plastic surgery.  They can fix that, you know.

Keith S.

Date: 2006/01/29 15:30:34, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
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I bet the  Dover defendants' legal team is just kicking itself for not having sought the legal advice of DaveScot.

Indeed.  And shame on Judge Jones for upholding the Constitution when Dave could have explained his proper role as a puppet of the executive branch.

Dave's response when the Dover ruling was announced:
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Judge Jone’s [sic] career just ended. He was appointed by President Bush and just now ruled against the president’s wishes. It’s a good thing he’s got a lifetime appointment because that’s the last appointment he’ll ever get.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/587#comments

More of Dave's fascistic, chain-of-command thinking.

Date: 2006/01/30 02:09:37, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
They've been publishing David Berlinski's anti-evolutionary screeds since at least 1996.

Date: 2006/01/30 20:22:39, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
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You do know that God is English?

I thought Sepp Blatter (FIFA president) was God.  But as a Yank, I have only a passing acquaintance with European religious customs.

(I listen to the rituals on the BBC.  Pretty words that mean nothing to me:  FIFer, UEFer, Sepp Blatta, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Frankfurter Allgemeine (oh wait, that's a newspaper), and my favorite: Galatasaray.)

As for Falwell, wacky as he is, he looks oddly sane next to Pat Robertson.

For an amusing take on the Creation Museum that Falwell mentions, see "Greetings From Idiot America" by Charles Pierce:

http://www.aboyandhiscomputer.com/Greetings_from_Idiot_America.html

Date: 2006/01/30 20:45:24, Link 71.131.240.86
Author: keiths
ID's "Big Tent" is shrinking rapidly over at UD, and it looks like the "common designists" are being left out in the rain.

Date: 2006/02/01 00:11:05, Link 71.131.189.176
Author: keiths
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Who predicted the end of January?

It looks like stevestory is the winner, assuming we don't find the stone rolled away from the tomb in three days.  His prediction was made 21 days ago:
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Posted by steve s on January 10, 2006 11:36 PM (e)

If anybody wants to start a dead pool on DaveScot’s administration, I’m in for the last week of January.

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....omments

Congratulations, Steve!

Date: 2006/02/01 00:28:02, Link 71.131.189.176
Author: keiths
DaveScot is still gunning for the "common designists":
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At the end of the day we still the law of nature that life comes from life, an overwhelming number of points of similarity in the genetic code, and the best scientific objections to a single common ancestor (Woese and Doolittle) still saying that all plants, animals, fungi, and protists share a single common ancestor.

What am I missing here? Where is the scientific evidence to refute common descent?

Comment by DaveScot — February 1, 2006 @ 4:09 am

Date: 2006/02/01 00:51:17, Link 71.131.189.176
Author: keiths
Looks like we've gotten under Dave's skin:
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To the Peanut Gallery at “After The Bar Closes”

I know you clowns are reading this and just wanted to let you know that I deleted my own article at no one’s urging, I’m still moderating the joint like before, and we’re all still friends here united against bozos clinging to the discredited Darwinian dogma of natural selection.

So there.

Comment by DaveScot — February 1, 2006 @ 5:33 am

Yes, Dave... and it was Harriet Miers' idea to withdraw her nomination, despite the strong protests of President Bush.

Date: 2006/02/03 05:04:22, Link 71.131.185.128
Author: keiths
Another psychedelic gem from Red Reader (to be read in your best William Shatner "Beat Poet" voice):
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tinabrewer wrote:
“Can such a question hope to be settled in the realm of science which has unfortunately devolved into the playground of mere materialism?”

There’s an old saying, “Don’t give up just before the miracle happens.”

ID is a sea change; its a big idea.
Big ideas are unstoppable for a reason.
For example, the Copernicun universe was a big idea. It took decades.
Time marches on.

Art is a mirror; the movie is a mirror.
Behind the ridicule blindingly, hysterical horrible fear: fear flapping and flopping and flailing away.

Down deep they know they’ve climbed way, way out on a dead limb of Darwin’s tree.
The hear it cracking.
They’ve invested their lives in a worldview in which they are the greatest of the great, elite of elite, the kings of all, the glorious spear of man’s purposless ascent from the primordal ooze: gods of all knowledge; smarter, wiser, more manly…..(even the women!). —craaaack— huh? what was that? It’s the sound of the natural prunning of the branch.

They could have chosen to follow the truth where it leads, the evidence where it leads, but instead the chose the best seats at the universities and the worship of men just like themselves. —-craaaack—-

“I am the Captain of a mighty armada! Bear Left I command you!”
“I am the watchman in a lighthouse on solid rock. I suggest you bear right.”
—-craaaaack—–

Comment by Red Reader — February 1, 2006 @ 10:48 pm

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/752#comments

Date: 2006/02/04 10:32:15, Link 71.131.185.128
Author: keiths
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But there was nothing there anyway except John Davison singing to himself and DaveScot grooming him for lice.

It's fun to watch John and Dave squabble, split up, and then reunite when they realize they have no other friends.  That's happened at least three times since I started watching.

Here's an interesting take on John's penchant for monologues:
http://decorabilia.blogspot.com/2006....ce.html

Date: 2006/02/04 10:34:53, Link 71.131.185.128
Author: keiths
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But there was nothing there anyway except John Davison singing to himself and DaveScot grooming him for lice.

It's fun to watch John and Dave squabble, split up, and then reunite when they realize they have no other friends.  That's happened at least three times since I started watching.

Here's an interesting take on John's penchant for monologues:
http://decorabilia.blogspot.com/2006....ce.html

Date: 2006/02/04 19:37:56, Link 71.131.185.128
Author: keiths
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keiths saying you guess password after I tell is like stock trade chatters claim to buy stock after they know it go up so they look good...after-the-fact trader we call...in future if you want be believed give password before everyone else know it.

Phishy, it was Inoculated Mind who guessed the password, not me.  And somehow I suspect his self-esteem will survive your disbelief.

As for guessing the password, come on.  We're talking about DaveScot here.  The password was guaranteed to be something hostile, childish, and anti-Darwinian.  Inoculated Mind just followed the evidence where it led...

Date: 2006/02/04 20:21:55, Link 71.131.185.128
Author: keiths
For those who haven't seen it, Kent Hovind's appearance on "Da Ali G Show":

http://www.thewilsonshouse.com/guest/Ali_G_vs_Kent_Hovind.wmv

Best moment:  A lingering shot of Hovind's stunned face as Ali G accuses him of failing to flush the backstage toilet.

Date: 2006/02/06 06:50:02, Link 71.132.14.237
Author: keiths
"Cosmo Theorist" Dr. Raj Baldev just made his third appearance on Uncommon Descent, this time posted by a new moderator named Scott:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/784

Don't these guys ever learn from each other's mistakes?

Date: 2006/02/06 07:06:47, Link 71.132.14.237
Author: keiths
The post has been deleted, but I saved the link to the article on "Dr." Raj Baldev:

http://internationalreporter.com/news/read.php?id=854

Some choice excerpts:

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"The Earth is one, the Sun is one, the Moon of the Earth is one, our Solar System is one, the ID behind the entire set up is also one. Only those people can conceive and decipher this truth, who have a particular positive gene in them."

"Please don’t run away from the truth of the Intelligent Design (ID) which is the original and all pervading creating force. It cannot be denied so easily by any needless logic."

"The impression of not supporting the ID openly by you is a dishonest act, this may simply suggest your inferiority complex, which in fact you don’t have. If you have clear faith based on your personal tested experiences that there is some power behind everything, then there should be no shirking from hiding the truth."

"If you stand determined by the right position of the ID, it shall not make you practically inferior than the scientists of any discipline in any sense since faith is an undoubted power of man and not his frailty."

"Don’t lose your moral strength under any scientific argument against ID.  Never think that may fail to prove the existence of Intelligent Design (ID). It is very much there."

Date: 2006/02/08 20:01:55, Link 208.54.15.1
Author: keiths
Quote
Wisconsin may well be evolution’s Waterloo.

Denial and harsh reality are fighting it out in Bill Dembki's head.  Looks like denial is winning at the moment.

Date: 2006/02/13 07:28:57, Link 71.132.1.72
Author: keiths
I think DaveScot has adopted John Davison as a surrogate father.  It all fits:  the perennial squabbles and reconciliations between the two of them, the instant invitation for JAD to rejoin UD once Dave was put in charge, Dave's habit of leaping to John's defense whenever he thinks John has been slighted, and this very DaveScottish attempt to rile up the folks over here so that they'll give JAD some attention:
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John Davison is not that polite. He has been insulting the #### out of you folks over here and you are letting him get away with it. It's a  mistake if you ask me.

On the other hand, pressmydigitator could be JAD himself begging for some attention, which would be sadder still.

Date: 2006/02/13 10:55:47, Link 71.132.1.72
Author: keiths
stevestory wrote:
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I can't remember if I was Hovind or Ken Ham who had that hilarious cartoon where a dinosaur, who has an eye on one side of his head, thinks something like "That works real good. I think I'll try real hard to evolve another one!" and he starts straining like unnngggghhhhhh...

Steve,
You're thinking of Jim Pinkoski's masterpiece.  PZ Myers posted the cartoon on Pharyngula last June.  Follow this link and scroll down:
http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/pinkoski_again/P50/

Date: 2006/02/17 08:00:59, Link 71.132.9.23
Author: keiths
Quote
The first life on earth could have been what someone (somone who unfortunately seems to be a moderation victim and so I cannot ask directly) called a phylogenetic stem cell.  This just another way of saying life on earth began as a seed, if you will, designed to unfold in a more less planned manner much as a human egg is designed to unfold into a human.

Hi, DaveScot.  So backtracking on trackbacks wasn't humiliating enough for you, and now you want to flog your (and JAD's) front-loading ideas here?

By the way, "phylogenetic stem cell" is an improvement over the Nietzschean "uber-cell", but it still leaves something to be desired. Might I suggest "front-loaded orthogenetic precursor", or FLOP?

Date: 2006/02/20 09:23:41, Link 71.131.192.237
Author: keiths
Here's JAD's latest blog entry.  He's attempting to burn his last bridge:
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I have a few comments relative the many places where I have been banned, the most recent of which is William Dembski's "Uncommon Descent" Where David Springer reigns supreme as the self-described BlogCzar. My comments involve dogs past and present. It goes this way:

Thomas Henry Huxley WAS Darwin's Bulldog but only for about six months.

Richard Dawkins unbelievably STILL IS Darwin's Rottweiler nearly 150 years after the publication of Darwin's great opus minimus.

David Springer IS RIGHT NOW William Dembski's very well trained mongrel cur.

There now I feel somewaht better.

Date: 2006/02/25 13:24:13, Link 71.132.9.27
Author: keiths
Russell wrote:
Quote
PicoIQ153Farad wrote:

The only way PicoScot has an IQ of 153 is if he got tested before the accident.

Date: 2006/02/26 10:12:43, Link 71.132.4.224
Author: keiths
jeannot asks PicoScot:
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Why don't you expose your ideas about front-loading?

I can save Davey the trouble.  Here's an exchange we had on UD:
Quote
(Quoting someone else on the thread):
"In 2005, scientists decoded the genome of the chimpanzee to confirm that the chimp is our closest living relative..."

Excuse me, but to reach that conclusion don’t we have to decode the genome of everything else to make sure nothing else is closer?

“descended from a common ancestor.”

Or a common designer, of course.

Comment by DaveScot — December 23, 2005 @ 2:59 am

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DaveScot writes:
“Or a common designer, of course.”

I’m confused. I thought, based on your front-loaded panspermia idea, that you accepted common descent. Or are you agnostic on the issue?

By the way, I never saw a response to my post about some problems with the idea of front-loaded panspermia. Did you see it?

Comment by keiths — December 23, 2005 @ 2:53 pm

Here is the comment I was referring to:
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DaveScot,

If I understand your front-loaded version of the panspermia hypothesis, you’re suggesting that a “seed” for all of life might have been planted on (or drifted to) Earth, and that all of the genetic information needed for the subsequent development of increasingly complex organisms was already present in the seed, just waiting to be “switched on”.

Is that a fair synopsis?

If so, I see some potential problems with the idea:

1. In the case of the seed drifting randomly to Earth, the designers wouldn’t have known in advance what kind of planet the seed would land on. The adaptations appropriate for one habitable planet wouldn’t necessarily be the same as for another with different atmospheric pressure or composition, different ocean salinity, a different length of day, etc. Front-loading in this case would have to cover all possible target planets.

2. Following up on #1, how would the organisms “know” how to select the appropriate genetic information for the planet they were developing on?

3. How would organisms know when to “switch on” various chunks of genetic information? For example, how would the genes for the human brain remain “off” for billions of years, then suddenly turn on when needed?

4. Unexpressed genetic material is subject to mutation. Selection can’t weed out the mutants, because it can only operate on genes that ARE expressed. Over millions or even billions of years, the unexpressed material would mutate so badly that it would be useless when it was finally switched on.

Comments?

Comment by keiths — December 18, 2005 @ 2:03 pm

Dave's response:
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I’m agnostic regarding common descent vs. common design. How can one distinguish between the two?

(from other thread)

1. In the case of the seed drifting randomly to Earth, the designers wouldn’t have known in advance what kind of planet the seed would land on. The adaptations appropriate for one habitable planet wouldn’t necessarily be the same as for another with different atmospheric pressure or composition, different ocean salinity, a different length of day, etc. Front-loading in this case would have to cover all possible target planets.

Either not random, or multiple seeds, or adaptive seed. There is no limit on the complexity of the first “seed”. It could be quite large, have onboard computer, etc. Call it a seed-ship.

2. Following up on #1, how would the organisms “know” how to select the appropriate genetic information for the planet they were developing on?

Computers constructed at the nanometer scale are tiny & incredibly powerful. Giving computational ability to something as large as a cell is trivial if you have the ability to engineer things one atom at a time. See Drexler’s “Engines of Creation” here: http://www.foresight.org/EOC/

Also, read about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraform

Earth appears to have been terraformed by living organisms. The job of the first cells was to add free oxygen to the atmosphere so that organisms with rapid metabolisms could thrive.

3. How would organisms know when to “switch on” various chunks of genetic information? For example, how would the genes for the human brain remain “off” for billions of years, then suddenly turn on when needed?

See computational capabilities above.

4. Unexpressed genetic material is subject to mutation. Selection can’t weed out the mutants, because it can only operate on genes that ARE expressed. Over millions or even billions of years, the unexpressed material would mutate so badly that it would be useless when it was finally switched on.

Error checking algorithms of sufficient reliability are not only possible they’ve been devised by human engineers in computer science. In a designed cell there’s no reason why that can’t be part of the design. Of all the species on the planet we’ve only discovered about 10% of them. An uber cell, a “library organism”, could be lurking in that other 90%. Moreover, of the 10% we have cataloged we have sequenced the genome of a VERY tiny fraction of those. Saying we’ve scratched the surface on cataloging and understanding all the genomes on all the earth is a vast overstatement. Perhaps an uber-cell is lurking out there. Or perhaps the library has fragmented and is now a distributed database scattered over millions of species.

Comment by DaveScot — December 24, 2005 @ 7:54 am

Dave banned me shortly thereafter, so I never got a chance to respond.

Note that Dave, who likes to criticize the concept of macroevolution because it hasn't been observed in the lab, is proposing the following:

1. An extraterrestrial designer.
2. A "seed-ship" created by the designer.
3. A "nanoscale" computer in the cell.
4. The deliberate terraforming of Earth.
5. An error-correcting mechanism in cells which is different from the one currently known to be operating, and sufficient to protect unexpressed genetic material for billions of years.
6. An uber-cell (aka "library organism").
7. A "distributed database" of genetic information scattered over millions of species.

Not one of these seven chimeras is confirmed by science.  I echo Sir Toejam's question about cognitive dissonance.  Perhaps PicoScot's brain is lacking a consistency detector.

It's also interesting to contrast his professed agnosticism in this thread regarding common descent vs. common design with his recent statement:

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PicoFarad, Feb. 25 2006,16:13    

Nowhere have I argued that descent with modification from a common ancestor isn't the best explanation for the diversity of life.

Date: 2006/03/07 08:34:46, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
I thought I'd jump in here and back Steve up.  

An individual photon has an energy, but not a temperature.  You can talk about the temperature of a *group* of photons, if they have a certain distribution of wavelengths, but all that means is that a black body at the specified temperature will give off photons having the same distribution.

Specifying the temperature of solar radiation tells you nothing about the amount of energy being delivered to Earth.  The temperature of the radiation stays the same no matter how far you are from the sun, but the energy delivered per unit area drops off dramatically.

DaveScot wrote:
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I’m guilty of taking it for granted that people in a discussion such as this know that the energy in photons is measured by degrees Kelvin. And of course degrees Kelvin is a measure of temperature and temperature is synonymous with heat. Next time you decide to be argumentative I suggest you do a better job of it.

The only thing DaveTard gets right in that quote is that degrees Kelvin is a measure of temperature.

What's really funny is that Dave provided a link to the thesaurus as "proof" that temperature and heat are synonymous.  If he's getting his physics education from the thesaurus, it might explain a lot of the inane things he's saying.

It takes a certain amount of heat to boil a cup of water.  Put the same amount of energy into a swimming pool and you won't notice the temperature increase.  Temperature and heat are not the same.

Date: 2006/03/08 05:04:18, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
steve story wrote:
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If someday the mask comes off and Davetard, DougMoron, etc all announce that this has been an elaborate performance piece, I will lead a standing ovation.

I'll join the applause, not only out of admiration for their acting skills, but also out of sheer relief that the arrogant yet clueless DaveTard doesn't really exist.  It's mindboggling to see him proved wrong day after day, yet continue to hold forth confidently on things he knows nothing about.  Usually it's insecure people who feel the need to boast as much as Dave does, but an insecure person would surely find it unbearable to be as consistently (and publicly) wrong as Dave.  My current theory is that he is insecure, but with a fortress-like denial mechanism to shield him from awareness of his own stupidity.

Quote
never put jam on a magnet.

That's right.  It violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and you can get 20 to life for that at Folsom.

Date: 2006/03/09 11:34:41, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
SirRamicCap/DaveTard,
You are clearly an electrolytic capacitor, not a ceramic cap.  Ceramics tend to age well. Electrolytics deteriorate badly over time, and they explode if you hook them up backwards.

Let's hear how you would calculate the black body temperature of a single photon.  The fact is, it can't be done, because a black body produces a spectrum of radiation.  A photon of a given energy could be from the low end of one black body spectrum, the middle of another, and the high end of a third.  When physicists talk about the 3K cosmic microwave background, it is a spectrum they are talking about, not a single wavelength.

You like to lecture folks on UD about doing their homework before commenting.  How about taking your own advice?  Better yet, don't.  It's far more entertaining to watch you flounder around, trying to cover your mistakes.

Heat must be synonymous with temperature, because the thesaurus says so, eh Dave?

Date: 2006/03/09 14:31:27, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
SirRamicCap/Incapacitard bluffs:
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I asked you a question first.  As soon as you answer it I will answer yours.

Translation:  "Don't know answer... Must buy more time... Need excuse... Um, I asked you first?"

Okay, Dave. Like secondclass said, you need enough photons to establish the distribution.  If the distribution fits the black body profile, you can then establish a black body temperature.  As I wrote in my previous comment:

Quote
You can talk about the temperature of a *group* of photons, if they have a certain distribution of wavelengths, but all that means is that a black body at the specified temperature will give off photons having the same distribution.

Your turn.  How you would calculate the black body temperature of a single photon?

P.S. Thanks for the "Wiendemo" link.  It makes my point beautifully.

Date: 2006/03/10 00:32:47, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Here's something to keep us entertained while DaveTard searches desperately for a face-saving answer to the single-photon question:

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Evolution can’t tell us if “Lucy” had the same number of chromosomes as us, as chimps, or a different number altogether. If they can’t tell us if she’s in the chimp line of descent or our own then what can they reliably tell us?

Comment by DaveScot — December 24, 2005 @ 8:06 am

Quote
Intelligent design can’t tell us if “Lucy” had the same number of chromosomes as us, as chimps, or a different number altogether. If they can’t tell us if she’s in the chimp line of descent or our own, or whether there even IS a line of descent, then what can they reliably tell us?

LOL.

Comment by keiths — December 24, 2005 @ 3:39 pm

Date: 2006/03/10 14:32:10, Link 71.131.250.213
Author: keiths
You know, DaveTard comes off looking so pathetic in all of this that for a minute there, I was actually feeling sorry for him.  Such a complete and public humiliation must be hard for him to swallow.

Then I thought about everything he's said and done to other folks, and the feeling passed.

Date: 2006/03/10 15:59:42, Link 71.132.19.115
Author: keiths
Quote
To everyone writing to say I’m asserting that Panda’s Thumb is responsible, that is a straw man. Observe the question mark on the subject line and the original line of text at the top. To all of you who don’t know, a question marks denotes a question, not a statement or assertion.

Dave, do you beat your wife out of anger, or for pleasure?

Observe the question mark.  A question mark denotes a question, not a statement or assertion.

Date: 2006/03/10 17:31:41, Link 71.132.19.115
Author: keiths
Check out this link:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

After you've read it, get back to us if you still have questions.

Date: 2006/03/11 08:51:39, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Arden,

Regarding your confession, isn't it also true that you are a card-carrying member of the American Communist Lawyer's Union (ACLU)?  And your photo bears a striking resemblance to someone known to be involved in the assassination of President Kennedy...

Warmly,
Kent Hovind

Date: 2006/03/11 10:00:18, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote
Dr. Dino:
You've found me out.

While we're at it, where were you on the date of Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction?   And aren't you personally acquainted with Jolene, the shameless hussy who seduced Bobby Sue's husband on episode #633 of the Jerry Springer show?

In Christian humility,
Kent Hovind

Date: 2006/03/11 11:47:58, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote
'Your momma'? What, is Dave having some kind of flashback to his past career as a Marine sergeant? Next thing you know he'll be barging in here, calling us all 'maggots', and telling us to drop and give him twenty.

No, he's regressing much further, to his elementary school days.  Check out this schoolyard bully taunt from same thread:
Quote
If you don’t like my opinion that’s just too darn bad as I really couldn’t care much less what you think. So there. -ds

Date: 2006/03/11 18:12:07, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Aardvark,

You're missing the self-evident point that criticizing religion is "hate speech", while saying bad things about atheism is simply acknowledging the truth.

If you haven't absorbed this, you haven't been spending enough time at Uncommon Descent.

In deep Christian humility,
Kent Hovind

Date: 2006/03/11 20:26:16, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 11 2006)
That's right. after making an obvious, middle-school-essay mistake, he then refuses to admit it on a thread about intellectual honesty. Do you know how few unintentional ironists can play at that level, day after day? We may never see a backcourt like DaveTard and DougMoron again. Enjoy it while you can, fans.

Steve,
Spoken like a true connoisseur.  As a fellow aficionado, I commend to you the following recording, featuring musical genius and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard performing his composition, "Thank You For Listening":

http://www.ronthemusicmaker.org/eng10.ram

Dave and Doug can only dream of playing at L. Ron's level.

In awe,
Keith S.

Date: 2006/03/11 20:46:41, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 11 2006,00:18)
I don't think Dave Tard is humiliated at all.  On the rare occassion when he realizes he is wrong, I think he could care less mainly because his followers/listeners don't know any better, or they too could care less.  

Mr. Christopher,

Believe you me, it bugs the crap out of Dave to be proven wrong.  Check out this comment he felt compelled to add, apropos of nothing, to the Berlinski thread on PT:
Quote
This is off topic but I thought all the youngsters here should know that “degrees Kelvin” was the proper expression from 1954 until 1967 when the International Bureau of Weights and Measures decreed degrees be dropped. This is sort of like the U.N. decreeing that French is the international language of diplomacy. Some decrees are accepted to a greater “degree” than others.

The fact that he bothered to look that up shows how desperate he is to salvage a shred of dignity after the "black body photon temperature" fiasco.

Date: 2006/03/13 13:20:27, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ March 13 2006, 18:43)
Davetard banned someone for saying Paul Nelson is a Young Earth Creationist, a fact admitted to by Paul Nelson.

Unless you have some evidence I find acceptable that I am profoundly retarded I think you should take your comments elsewhere. -dt

Date: 2006/03/13 17:22:09, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote (Stranger than fiction @ Mar. 13 2006,19:55)
Anyone who thinks that Dave can be dissuaded by criticism doesn't understand him.  He's desperate for attention of any kind, and has no qualms about alienating his readers since the internet will always provide him with more.  Unable to achieve recognition any other way, Dave settles for infamy as an immature, dull-witted jerk.

Dave may not care whether anyone likes him, but believe me, he cares about whether he is respected.  A big part of that is wanting to be right.  I've been watching him for a few months now, and I've seen the elaborate gyrations he goes through to avoid admitting a mistake to anyone, friend or foe.  Accurate criticism cuts him to the bone, which is why he invents reasons to ban intelligent skeptics from UD.

It's also why he invents new aliases to come here (and to PT) to defend his well-trampled name.

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...instead I'm going to spend some time reading.  Then I'm going to read to my daughter, who loves to learn.

I've had it with your crap, STF.  I've been reading Scientific American cover-to-cover each month for more than 30 years, and I've forgotten more than your daughter has learned in her whole life from books.  (I came up with the idea for the printing press long ago and only recently discovered that Gutenberg had the same idea).  Right now I'm sitting on my boat, next to my waterfront property (purchased with my stock options -- did I tell you I used to work at Dell?), wondering with my high IQ why people like you make me do their research for them.  Start reading, or you're history. -dt

Date: 2006/03/14 04:15:08, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Quote (thurdl01 @ Mar. 14 2006,07:34)
Now, I'm new at this whole parsing the UDites thing...

"UDites"-- I like it.

The assonance with "Luddites" gives the right connotation of a group of antediluvian diehards fighting tooth and nail against modernity.

Dismissive speech leads to dismissive actions, but the one being dismissed is you.  Sayonara. -dt

Date: 2006/03/14 13:23:56, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Here's a good one from the days when Red Reader and I still got along.  Watch how he interprets the following passage from an abstract Dembski posted:
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ABSTRACT: “Noise” had a glorious birth. While there were rumblings before 1905, it was Einstein’s explanation of Brownian motion that started the field. His motivation was not the mere explanation of the erratic movement of pollen, but much bigger: that noise could establish the existence of atoms.

Quote
"Einstein’s motivation was…that noise could establish the existence of atoms. ”
Hmmm. As in “_And God said_, ‘Let there be a firmament…’” (Gn 1:6) ?

Comment by Red Reader — December 9, 2005 @ 8:47 pm

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Red Reader was being sardonic, I’m sure, but social constructivists actually do believe that Einstein, or Dalton, or Democritus really created atoms. Beaumie Kim says:

“Social constructivists believe that reality is constructed through human activity. Members of a society together invent the properties of the world (Kukla, 2000). For the social constructivist, reality cannot be discovered: it does not exist prior to its social invention.”

Good thing nobody’s thought of intelligent design… Oops, too late.

Comment by keiths — December 10, 2005 @ 3:17 am

Quote
Sorry, no, I was not being sardonic.

I actually think it is rather amazing that a credible physicist advanced a theory suggesting that matter (atoms) may have been created by “noise” AND that an ancient record suggests the same thing: that “the firmament” (matter) was created by a “saying”, a “spoken word”, a modulated frequency of some kind, a subset of “noise”.

My first comment was too clever by half.

Comment by Red Reader — December 10, 2005 @ 9:01 am

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Actually it appears the universe was ordered by noise. One might even, without too much of a stretch, call it the voice of God.

In the comment below the second link is general reading on it and the third has .wav files where you can listen to it:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/497#comment-15342

Comment by DaveScot — December 10, 2005 @ 11:18 am

Quote
I thought it was a play on words, but Red Reader assures me he was quite serious:

“Sorry, no, I was not being sardonic.
I actually think it is rather amazing that a credible physicist advanced a theory suggesting that matter (atoms) may have been created by “noise” AND that an ancient record suggests the same thing: that “the firmament” (matter) was created by a “saying”, a “spoken word”, a modulated frequency of some kind, a subset of “noise”.”

Red is referring to this sentence from the article:

“His [Einstein’s] motivation was not the mere explanation of the erratic movement of pollen, but much bigger: that noise could establish the existence of atoms.”

Red, “establish” is being used here in the sense of “provide overwhelming evidence for”. It does not mean “create”.

Example: “Red Reader’s comments establish that he is not a Darwinian.”

Check out an article on Brownian motion to see why it provides evidence for the existence of atoms (or more properly, molecules). It’s a simple concept, but interesting.

Comment by keiths — December 12, 2005 @ 9:35 am


http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/569

What’s the difference between "establish" and "create" and what is the significance of these words? A wrong answer means you’re out of here. A right answer concedes my point. Enjoy. -dt

Date: 2006/03/14 13:48:23, Link 71.131.253.107
Author: keiths
Althea,

You can find the entire text of the foreword here.

Date: 2006/03/14 19:48:37, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
For problems with your santorum, my doctor recommends Preparation H.

Date: 2006/03/16 06:11:25, Link 71.131.203.34
Author: keiths
There were two thermo threads.  DaveTard's humiliation occurs on this one:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/886#comments

Date: 2006/03/16 06:27:51, Link 71.131.203.34
Author: keiths
DaveTard reaches the pinnacle of blissful self-unawareness:
Quote
If you can’t concede a point you are hereby invited to leave this blog. -ds

Date: 2006/03/16 12:00:55, Link 71.131.203.34
Author: keiths
Quote
March 16, 2006

Double Helix Nebula
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0603/15doublehelix

Filed under: Intelligent Design — William Dembski @ 4:04 pm

Are we supposed to infer that the Designer put the double helix there?  Dembski is wisely silent on this, though I note that he filed this under "Intelligent Design", not "science".

Date: 2006/03/16 12:06:31, Link 71.131.203.34
Author: keiths
Oops, forgot to threaten/ban myself...

You'd be wise to be silent, too, or you may need to find another blog in the galactic center. -ds

Date: 2006/03/20 06:04:07, Link 71.131.231.3
Author: keiths
Quote
I’ve removed comments about Valerie. Stay on topic.
Comment by DaveScot — March 19, 2006 @ 4:47 pm

Now even that comment has been removed.  Shades of Dembskian "street theater."

You're next, pal.  And this ain't no rehearsal. -dt

Date: 2006/03/21 15:08:10, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
tnewell wrote:
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Your post seeems to give the impression that you think the manner in which Tresa Waggoner is currently being treated is acceptable.

No, it’s not acceptable. She should have been terminated outright and not been given a paid vacation first. -ds

I was just about to complain about how boring UD had become, but DaveTard came through with a brilliantly idiotic and jingoistic diatribe.

My favorite part of the thread so far is this comment by crandaddy, who indirectly labels DaveTard a "knee-jerk reactionary wacko":

Quote
I think people are just WAY too sensitive! The world will not come to an end as a result of showing a bunch of public elementary school kids a performance of Faust. Nor will it come to an end as a result of acknowledging to them the fact that Christmas is the holiday on which Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. What worries me are all the knee-jerk reactionary wackos out there who file lawsuits and get people fired from their jobs at the slightest whim!

Comment by crandaddy — March 21, 2006 @ 7:40 pm

There's a lot of passive aggression among the subcommandants at UD these days.

Date: 2006/03/21 15:44:33, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
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Comment by JKVisFX — March 21, 2006 @ 5:23 pm

Re-emvoweled:
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I guess you just don’t like being shown up for the fool that you are, do you? Can’t take it when someone else, much smarter than yourself, points out how you are wrong so you spew out a piece of bull (?) at guys like Matt Young just when they defend a teacher who has clearly been treated unfairly? How about, instead, arguing the facts - oh, I forgot, you don’t have any facts that support your position so you use the only thing you do have - screeching, like a banshee (?)

I lay odds on (?) that you will censor or not post this reply at all.

Have a nice day you ‘tard.

Date: 2006/03/22 06:19:19, Link 71.132.13.159
Author: keiths
Doug Moron retakes the lead in the asininity stakes, comparing Faust to a porn video:
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Your point seems to be that somehow a caring mother’s questioning of the teacher’s faith vindicates her (the teacher) from the crime of conspicuous emotional and spiritual abuse of innocent children. Since when are 6 year old children able to judge the moral value of entertainment media? Any parent of a first grader would know that it is not a slippery slope; it is quite simply barbarian indoctrination to expose children to such crud. Put a six year old in front of a porno and they will react quite predictably. Note the esteemed Ms. Waggoner’s words:

“They were on the edge of the seat,”, and “Nobody came to me crying, no one wanted to leave.”

Any parent who has happened upon their six year old child staring at a porn internet video knows this is exactly the response to expect. On the edge of their seat. Don’t want to leave. Not crying. Thank you ACLU, for bringing porn into public schools and libraries so it truly doesn’t matter what children are taught at home.

Ms Waggoner: your next step is to recruit the help of the ACLU. They’d happily protect your right to screw up our children with your filth. Locked behind closed doors in public schools, parents have no defense. You might as well bring in live sex shows and indoctrinate our children in Kindergarten so they’re ready for all the pain and agony of the adulthood they’re being groomed for by the primary “defenders” of our democracy: the ACLU.

Date: 2006/03/23 08:13:41, Link 71.132.13.159
Author: keiths
Quote (Stranger than fiction @ Mar. 23 2006,11:55)
Anyone know what dougmoran does for a living?  How does he know 30 to 40 MD's well enough to have had conversations about evolution with them?

He seems to be a manager, judging from this quote:
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I use this Monty Python scene as a metaphor for Intellectual Dishonesty to help focus scientists and engineers on the importance of following the evidence where it leads (being intellectually honest). As a reminder, I show the video clip to my staff and their organizations once per year. I remind them that the success or failure of our business depends on their complete objectivity and intellectual honesty.

Can you imagine working for a pious blowhard like Doug Moron?  I'd love to hear what his subordinates say behind his back after being forced, for the umpteenth time, to watch the Black Knight scene and hear a hypocritical sermon on intellectual honesty.

Date: 2006/03/23 08:28:40, Link 71.132.13.159
Author: keiths
More on Doug's background:
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Just a quick note to introduce myself - name is Doug Moran. I’ve been invited to occaisionally post items of interest about ID on this blog. In my day job I am Director, R&D at a technology company (that I prefer not to name for now) where I oversee research and development activities focused on communications and image processing systems. I’m a UCLA alumni (’84 - go Bruins!) with a degree in Electrical Engineering, minor in Economics, and strong interest in all things Physics (started out as a Physics major but my wife “helped” me see the economic benefits of switching to engineering  . My interest in ID is twofold: first, I find the science/mathematics behind ID theory facinating in their own right. Second, I marvel at the convulsions of the general scientific community as we all observe the emergence of a foundational new scientific theory. How often in one’s lifetime can that happen?

For my part, I promise to make every effort to be completely objective, not attack anyone’s beliefs, and focus just on the topics of Intelligent Design.

Juxtapose that "promise" with the following:
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First prizes in the worldwide competition for most hypocritical religious zealots and most vile intellectual terrorists go to the ACLU.

Date: 2006/03/28 09:58:42, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
stevestory wrote:
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I mean, GOD####, that is magnificently retarded. I mean, that post is standing at the pinnacle of a mountain, it's cape flapping in a breeze, sunset casting a golden glow across it's chiseled features, gloriously retarded. It is the ne plus ultra of tard. It is to other retarded posts as Michael Jordan was to Craig Ehlo, on a distinct plane above even the world's best.

DaveTard to Alan Fox on John Davison's blog, after a series of anti-French tirades:
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You're like the ne plus ultra of stooge. I couldn't ask for better setups than you give me.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, Steve.  If only it meant something to be flattered by Dave.

Date: 2006/03/29 04:55:23, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 29 2006,02:45)
That makes me a liar again, as I said there were no lurkers.

Hi Alan,
Sorry for blowing your cover.  I visit Davison's blog from time to time.  It's not as much fun as the Dembskitarium, but it does have its absurdist charms, like:

- Dave's lame attempt at a comeback when you tweaked him about the 2nd law.
- JAD's strange masturbatory obsession.
- Only one thread, but 823 comments.
- An extended discussion of the geography of the Maginot Line.
- The pitiful spectacle of Davison trying to steer the conversation back to his PEH as the bullets whiz by over his head.

Date: 2006/03/29 05:00:48, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Speaking of the 2nd law, we're still waiting for an answer from DaveScot/PicoGonad on the black body temperature of a single photon.

How about it, Dave?

Date: 2006/03/29 22:34:37, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 29 2006,18<!--emo&:0)
Davetard is so February. DougMoron is the new hotness!

Don't forget Barry Arrogant.  He's new, but quite retarded.  Still, it will take a few readings of No Free Lunch to elevate him to DougMoron's level.

Date: 2006/03/29 23:07:30, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (DaveTard @ Mar. 29 2006)
The knowledge of how to crow like a rooster and pick up corn with his pecker is contained in every egg destined to hatch into a rooster.

I don't know if he can pick up corn with his pecker, but Dave2LoT certainly knows how to crow like a rooster.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/967#comments

Date: 2006/04/09 20:54:05, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (Faid @ April 09 2006)
Is it possible that Dave actually believes the "space aliens" version of ID? And that's why he claims he's agnostic?

Dave does seem to believe in front-loaded panspermia, though he gets testy when asked to justify it, especially if someone asks where the designer or designers came from.

Dave's support of FLP comes up in the following thread, intertwined with some entertaining attempts by Josh Bozeman to justify the Bible's treatment of slavery. For those who suspect that Dave is a closet Christian, note that he slams the God of the Bible as "one bipolar messed-up God" in one of his comments.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/587

Based on this and many other Davisms, I think he truly is religiously agnostic.  At other times he clearly hides behind the word "agnostic", as when he claims to be agnostic on the issue of common descent, but then proceeds to slam his fellow IDers as "unscientific" when they argue for separate creation.

Date: 2006/04/10 00:03:35, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (Faid @ April 10 2006,03:37)
Dembski messes with universal laws: CSI should be CSI, either here or on Cygnus X. If Dave has given this any kind of serious thought, he must see there's no way of avoiding Occam and his swingin' blade...

Serious thought is not something Dave indulges in.  He's much too busy with the important work of huntin' down atheist liberal commie church-burnin' Ebola boys and calling his fellow IDers "wusses"...

Below is a link to a  thread where I point out that Dembski's ideas, if true, would require an ultimate supernatural source of CSI.  Dave naturally disagrees, but ends up appealing to the authority of a video game, since he can't come up with a better argument.

An amusing moment in the thread:
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“why did Darwin say that Christianity contained “damnable doctrine” and that he could not understand why anyone would want it to be true?”

Because Darwin was a freak that’s why.

A real freakin’ freaky freak. Freakazoid. Freakaumundo.

Comment by DaveScot — December 22, 2005 @ 6:44 pm
Quote

DaveScot that is the first thoughtless post I’ve ever seen from you.

Comment by avocationist — December 22, 2005 @ 7:50 pm

We can be sure it wasn't the last.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/603

Date: 2006/04/10 01:41:15, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Reading some of those old threads reminded me of how much more interesting Uncommonly Dense was when the half-life of a dissenter was more than two comments.

To quantify the damage DaveTard has done to the blog, I computed some statistics for December 2005 (the last month Dembski was in charge) and March 2006 (under Sgt. Dave):

(Note that Dembski mothballed the blog on December 26th, so it was only in operation 26 days during the month).

Contributors (Dec): 1    (Dembski)
Contributors (Mar): 10   (Dembski + 9 others)

Posts (Dec): 75 in 26 days   (2.9/day)
Posts (Mar): 103 in 31 days  (3.3/day)

Comments per post (Dec): 24.7
Comments per post (Mar): 12.9

Despite Dave's lame attempts at inflaming the wingnut contingent, he's only getting half the comments per post that Dembski was.

On the other hand, the MTBRR (mean time between retarded remarks) is much lower under DaveTard, so we don't have to work nearly as hard for the same entertainment value.  And without intelligent dissenters to shoot them down, folks like Red Reader (aka glennj) are venturing further out on the crackpot limb.

Date: 2006/04/11 00:43:50, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 08 2006,12:35)
I think if this thread was disbanded and we all quit talking about Dave he'd be really hurt and really miss the attention. So much of what he talks about these days seems to echo comments we make here. An egomaniac like Dave must love having all sorts of people talking about him.

DaveTard likes attention, it's true, but what he really craves (and never gets) is respect.  Anyone who feels compelled to talk so often about his money, his IQ, his patents, his putative computer expertise, and his Googling speed (!) is clearly insecure and looking for approval.

Notice that he responded within two hours when I posted the stats showing that he gets only half the comments per post that Dembski did.

I think he saw the Head Toady role at UD as his chance to undo his reputation as a blogospheric laughingstock.  He must be disappointed at the results.  Try Googling "DaveScot" (took me 6 seconds) and see how hard it is to find someone other than DaveScot saying something positive about DaveScot.  You know that's got to bug him.

Date: 2006/04/11 11:09:40, Link 71.131.224.237
Author: keiths
How deliciously hypocritical:

1. Dembski quotes an article describing the fudging of data by scientists, and... fudges the data. He titled the post "The Fetid Little Fingers of Science."  Perhaps the stench is coming from his own hands.

2. Dembski the seminary professor removes the one sentence in that entire excerpt which could be construed as referencing his faith.  Talk about hiding your lamp under a bushel.

Good sleuthing, PointyQ.

Date: 2006/04/15 00:20:24, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
ID's Goodwill Ambassador, DaveScot, spreads the cheer:
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Actually it makes me feel like doing some pain experiments on PZ Myers. I don’t believe he feels pain. All the blood and screaming from my fists pounding his face to a pulp would be nothing more significant than an automobile engine leaking oil and bearings making noise from lack of lubrication. Of course I could be wrong. -ds

Date: 2006/04/17 22:11:34, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
"Design theorist" DaveScot comes to the aid of "Doctor" Kent Hovind in a new post at Uncommonly Dense that is worth reproducing in its full glory:
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Help Save Dinosaur Adventure Land

The authorities in Pensacola, Florida are trying to bulldoze Kent Hovind’s Dinosaur Adventure Land over a building permit dispute. The buildings are all up to code, inspected and found sound, and have stood since 2002 through some of the worst hurricanes Florida has seen in decades.

What is WRONG with everyone? I don’t believe people and dinosaurs lived together like the Flintstones but I sure as heck don’t think a theme park that purports that they did should be shut down because of how fashionalbe it is to bust chops on Christian young earth creationists. This really sucks. I can hardly believe this is the same country I defended in the Marine Corps 30 years ago. I’ve been to Disneyland many times and there’s sure a lot of as-authentic-as-can-be fantasy themes there. This is no different except the theme is young earth creation science and a famous young earth creationist owns the park.

Tell them how you feel. Click here to learn how to help.

Filed under: Intelligent Design — DaveScot @ 12:16 am

Date: 2006/04/17 22:28:35, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Following the link in DaveTard's post leads to this gem:
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You can get all the details of the history of the four year conflict between Dr. Hovind and the Escambia County building inspections department on my web site www.richardsayshome.com but basically the property and ministry of CSE was given totally to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in 1999 and in obedience to Matthew 22:21 “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.” Pastor Mooneyhan instructed the staff to not render to Caesar that which is God’s by asking for a building permit or paying what amounts to a tax on the Church by paying a fee.  He told the county inspectors they were welcome to come anytime and see the work and offer suggestions.  They have come on the property three times and found nothing unsafe or unhealthy but they just can’t get used to the idea that they are not Lord over the Church.

What is WRONG with everyone?  Would you make Jesus pay for a building permit?
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For I hungered, and ye gave Me meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took Me in;  I was short on cash, and ye waived the building permit.

Date: 2006/04/18 23:25:59, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Is it just my impression, or is DaveScot exhibiting signs of hypertardation lately (even by DaveScot standards)? I'm beginning to think that he's really on our side, and that his goal is to undermine Dembski's blog by making it look idiotic.  

That Hovind thread is a piece of work.

Date: 2006/04/24 19:08:58, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
In his latest UD post, Salvador Cordova writes:
Quote
At an IDEA meeting at UVa last fall, before 100 students, I was explaining what ID was. I was trying to communicate how cool it is to be an IDer.

That sounds like a cry for help.  Anyone want to offer Sal some examples of how cool it is to be an IDer?

Date: 2006/05/06 05:46:30, Link 71.131.210.77
Author: keiths
Quote
This is what Darwinists fear, evidence and logic, so these two foundational precepts of science must be repressed at all cost when it comes to origins. Religiously committed blind-watchmaker Darwinists are in a transparent state of panic, because logic and evidence contradict their creation story, which is foundational to their nihilistic faith.

Comment by GilDodgen — May 5, 2006 @ 7:19 pm

I hereby nominate Gil for a spot in the Tard Hall of Fame, alongside DaveTard and DougMoron.  Speaking of which, I've been jonesing for a hit of DougMoron, but he hasn't posted for a few weeks.  Did he go the way of BarryA?

Date: 2006/05/11 12:55:28, Link 71.131.210.77
Author: keiths
Salvador bypassed DaveScot to get Dembski's approval for the GMO thread.  Dave fires back:
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Unfortunately I’ve been overruled about closing this comment thread so let the ridicule from the peanut gallery begin. Just keep it civil and it won’t be deleted.

Comment by DaveScot — May 11, 2006 @ 2:04 pm

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This is a sample of what the Cornell IDEA club will be using to argue against Professor MacNeill? If so then I’m afraid I underestimated the thrashing MacNeill is going to deliver unto them.

Comment by DaveScot — May 11, 2006 @ 2:19 p

Date: 2006/05/14 19:56:36, Link 71.131.197.59
Author: keiths
Dembski eats crow over his smear job on Kevin Padian:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1122

Date: 2006/05/14 23:34:24, Link 71.131.197.59
Author: keiths
From a commenter on Dembski's apology thread:  
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This is the diference between Evolution critics and Darwinists. While Darwinian skeptics at least try to keep it honest, such mentality is almost (or entirely) absent from the Darwinian camp (The example you gave about Jon Wells is telling).

For keeping the discussion honest and civil, thank you Bill for your public retraction.
God bless you, and keep up with the good work, and with the good science.

Comment by Mats — May 15, 2006 @ 3:41 am

The sad thing is that he seems to be sincere.  Mats must not be aware of Dembski's "street theater" and "Amazon review" escapades; otherwise he would not be able to say those things with a straight face.  

Date: 2006/05/18 16:59:10, Link 71.132.3.132
Author: keiths
How to argue like DaveScot:
Here's an amusing example of DaveTard's "skill" at argumentation, taken from Salvador's Genetic ID thread at Uncommonly Dense.  A commenter named Hypermoderate has just explained, using Dembski's own words, why Dembski's "specified complexity" argument is circular.

Dave responds:              
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Is this anything like natural selection’s survival of the survivors? You meant to show a tautology, not circular reasoning. You accomplished neither. -ds

Hypermoderate responds:            
Quote
ds,

1. A tautology is a form of circular reasoning (try Googling “tautology circular reasoning”).
2. Why do you think the Dembski quotes are non-circular?

Regards,
Hypermoderate

    Dave's skillful retort:        
Quote
You call what you wrote “reasoning”?  -ds

Let's watch the replay, with translation:

HM:
Dembski's SC argument is circular.

DS:
Is not! Natural selection is circular! (Please ignore the fact that I know NS is not circular, since I accept that it produces things like antibiotic and pesticide resistance). And you think a tautology is circular!

HM:
A tautology is circular.  Can you refute my specified complexity argument?

DS:
Umm....You're stooopid!  So there!

Date: 2006/05/18 20:48:48, Link 71.131.210.101
Author: keiths
Wes,

Your UD mirror site is a terrific resource for retrieving posts and comments as they appeared before they were deleted or altered by the Thought Police.

The only problem is that we don't get to see the comments that DaveTard censors before they even see the light of day.  Since many of the most interesting commenters are on Dave's moderation list, he gets a chance to see (and delete) the comments before we see them, and before your mirror site gets to archive them.

I have an idea for how we can begin to bypass Dave's censorship:  

1. Mirror all of the UD posts and comments as you do now.
2. Accept new comments at the mirror site (on a per-UD-thread basis).

As word gets around that the mirror site is uncensored, people will start posting comments there rather than on UD.  People who have been banned from UD will be able to comment.  Even most ID supporters will start to prefer the mirror site, because they don't like the Tardlerized version of UD any more than we do.

The beauty of it is that since all posts and comments are mirrored, you won't miss anything by going to the mirror site.  On the other hand, if you stick with DaveTard, you miss all of the posts he censors (and you have to wait half a day for him to approve the ones he doesn't censor).  You also miss all the posts from dozens of thoughtful, interesting people who have been banned at UD for no good reason.

The key would be to organize things on a per-thread basis on the mirror site.   Right now comments on UD end up as separate posts on the mirror site, which makes it hard to get a thread-oriented view of the comments.

What do you think?

Date: 2006/05/19 18:25:55, Link 71.131.210.101
Author: keiths
Dembski has posted a link to a list of 20 proposed candidates for the title "Fourth Law of Thermodynamics."

I think he's miffed that his "Law of Conservation of Information" didn't make the cut.

It's tough being the "Isaac Newton of information theory" when everyone regards you as more of a Wayne Newton.

Date: 2006/05/19 21:22:02, Link 71.131.210.101
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ May 19 2006,13:04)
keiths (a hive mind composed of several persons named keith) has an interesting idea...

My name is Legion: for we are many.  Haven't you heard of the NCSE's Project Keith?  It's the evolutionary successor of Project Steve.  All of the Keiths who accept evolution have banded together into a single, powerful Darwinian consciousness which can vaporize Cobb County textbook stickers and copies of Of Pandas and People by the power of sheer thought...              
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...to mirror Dembski's site and allow unfettered comments. I do not think it would work though, because wouldn't it violate copyright laws? Maybe it wouldn't, I don't know.

If Wes's existing blog mirror doesn't violate copyright laws, I can't see why the new one would.  The same information is being replicated in both cases.  However, the UD folks might be able to make a case that we were denying them revenue by decreasing the click-through traffic on their blogads.

To avoid the issue altogether you could do the following:

1. For each new UD post, automatically create a post on our blog which links to the UD post.
2. Folks could start at our blog and follow the link to UD to read the post, the blogads, and any comments left by UD loyalists.
3. By simply hitting the back button, they'd be at a page where they could comment on the post free of DaveTard's censorship.

This thread (the Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread) is great for laughing at the goings-on at Dembski's madhouse, and would continue to play that role.  But wouldn't it also be nice to be able to go to a single place where you could see a UD post, read the comments pro and con, and contribute to the discussion without censorship, the way Dembski's blog should have worked in the first place (and the way practically every other blog does)?

Date: 2006/05/22 08:06:55, Link 71.131.195.176
Author: keiths
Sergeant Doof Tard, USMC.

Date: 2006/05/22 09:10:12, Link 71.131.195.176
Author: keiths
If Sergeant Doof Tard didn't exist, we'd have to invent him, just to make ID look ridiculous.
Please, Wayne -- whatever you do, leave Davey in charge.

Date: 2006/05/24 01:56:12, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (John_H @ May 24 2006,05:41)
Perhaps it's just because I'm new here, but I am utterly baffled as to why this post would get nixed.

Shalini's post was relevant, polite, and truthful...or in other words, utterly out of place on Doofski's blog.  Hence the banning.
   
Quote
...here we have The Man himself telling someone to shut up and go away just because they disagree with him.

Don't forget, this is the same Doofski who:

1. Praised his own book anonymously on Amazon.com.
2. Panned his opponent's book anonymously on Amazon.com.
3. Raised a stink on UD about Jeffrey Shallit's deposition, and then, when he was shown to be wrong, attempted to erase the evidence.
4. Reported Eric Pianka to the Department of Homeland Security.
5. Smeared Kevin Padian unfairly and then had to publicly apologize.

He is not known for his discretion, especially when he's in a bad mood.  After making an idiot of himself over DaveTard's ACLU post yesterday (Right on, Wayne!), he must be feeling a bit cranky, to shalini's detriment.

Date: 2006/05/24 02:02:43, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (John_H @ May 24 2006,04:58)
Well, this:



has to count as pretty compelling evidence of the divine origin of mathematics, if you ask me. :)

That equation is a thing of beauty, isn't it?

Date: 2006/05/25 11:40:42, Link 71.131.229.180
Author: keiths
Having humiliated himself by attacking the ACLU over a bogus urban legend, Davey now feels compelled to justify himself by digging up and posting as many ACLU-related issues as possible.

Knowing that people like DaveTard exist is strong motivation to join the ACLU.  I joined the ACLU (and Americans United) after Dover, but if I hadn't done it then, I'd be doing it now.

Keep up the recruiting efforts, Davey!

Date: 2006/05/25 12:25:41, Link 71.131.229.180
Author: keiths
Quote (clamboy @ May 25 2006,16:49)
As a new member here, I would like to thank you all for this thread. I have no interest in reading Uncommon Pissant, there are only so many hours in the day. However, coming here every morning to see the latest foolishness puts a smile on my face as I wait for my tea to fully steep.

Entertainment is the one good thing to come out of the ID movement, and UD is a prodigious source of it.  Many of us are addicted.  If this comedic wellspring ever dries up, I think we'll have to put stevestory on methadone.

Date: 2006/05/25 13:08:13, Link 71.131.229.180
Author: keiths
I'm pretty sure great_ape was being sarcastic with the sodium comment.

Date: 2006/05/26 02:37:03, Link 71.131.229.180
Author: keiths
Quote (guthrie @ May 26 2006,06:08)
Cant some of you engineers come up with fuses for ironymeters?

If you pray over your irony meter it will repair itself.

Date: 2006/05/29 11:17:03, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
Sgt. DimBulb has apparently forgotten his "blackbody photon temperature" humiliation and is now presuming to lecture his intellectual superiors on spectral absorption:
     
Quote ( DoofTard @ May 29 2006)
The color of an object is the light that it doesn’t absorb. Green plants absorb all visible light frequencies EXCEPT green. Black objects absorb it all. White objects reflect it all. This is very basic physics that you should have learned in the sixth grade. -ds

Later, after a commenter named Zachriel has helpfully supplied an absorption spectrum for chlorophyll, Dave writes:              
 
Quote
[sigh] This isn’t introductory physics. Telling me “plants are green” does not support the statement that most of the light is not absorbed. Only a small portion (green light) is actually reflected.

Dave apparently doesn't understand that because of the way the retina is built, many different spectra can result in the same perceived color.  In this case, reflectance is high from blue-green all the way to orange, but Dave insists that only green light is being reflected.

He closes his comment in typical condescending Tard fashion:            
Quote
If there are still parts of this you don’t understand go somewhere else for the answers and come back when you know more. -ds

Dave's been subscribing to Scientific American for 30 years, as he will proudly tell you.  The question is, does he ever actually read it?

As a bonus, he proceeds in his next comment to contradict himself in the space of two sentences (besides spelling compressible and compressibility wrong):
       
Quote
Compressability and information content are synonymous. An uncompressable stream is carrying as much information as physically possible.

Link to thread

Date: 2006/05/29 17:42:44, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
Over on the gullibility/incredulity thread, crandaddy pees his pants with excitement:
     
Quote (crandaddy @ May 29 2006)
Wow! Did I read that right?! Nothing?! Nature is simply littered with the appearance of purpose, and NOTHING makes sense in the light of ID?!!! Unbelievable! And to think this comes from a professor of biology from the University of Chicago! We should really be encouraging these people to continue to speak out against ID; they’re digging the grave for their own “theory”!!! I love it!!!

They may be digging a grave, crandaddy, but don't get too excited until you see which theory gets buried.

Date: 2006/05/29 17:46:44, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
It occurs to me that "gullibility/incredulity thread" is a pretty accurate description of every thread on Uncommonly Dense.

Gullibility on the part of the sycophants who lap it up, and incredulity on the part of those who are about to be banned.

Date: 2006/05/31 15:58:46, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
Some select comments from an old but good thread on UD entitled Why I ruthlessly edit comments on this blog:

From the one and only member (ever) of the Josh Bozeman Fan Club:
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Josh,

What is your website…I like your posts and would like to check it out.

Dan

Comment by Dan — November 30, 2005 @ 7:31 pm

Dan searches for more common ground:
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Cool site Josh,

Do you wrestle? I am a wrestler and I think everyone from your neck of the woods wrestles.

Dan

Comment by Dan — December 1, 2005 @ 12:39 pm

...but Josh dashes his hopes:
   
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Dan-

Thanks, and no I don’t wrestle. There must be something I missed in my neck of the woods.  

Comment by Josh Bozeman — December 1, 2005 @ 7:00 pm


Here's DougMoron (in his pre-contributor days) demonstrating his objectivity:
     
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Red Reader says: “It’s a privilege to participate”.

Ditto from me. I appreciate the privilege to be exposed to the [mostly] fine thoughts expressed here as much as I am permitted to interract with their authors. And I’ve never once felt I was being deprived of hearing opposing viewpoints. The lively debates should be enough to convince anyone that there is no unfairness here.

Comment by dougmoran — November 30, 2005 @ 10:27 pm

I can't decide if this one is sardonic or not:
 
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What Dembski’s atheistic materialist opponents obviously can’t understand is that in this case censorsip is free speech.

Comment by CharlesW — December 1, 2005 @ 8:47 am

Or this one:    
 
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Mr Dembski has every right to run his blog as he wishes and I imagine that teaching ID to our youth will work in much the same fashion.

Comment by Jeffahn — December 1, 2005 @ 10:55 am

hlwarren gets fed up and bails:
     
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Dear DaveScot
You do bore me.
Goodbye.

Dear Dr. Dembski,
Please expell me from this blog. It is too boring for more words than this.
Thank you and goodbye.

Comment by hlwarren — December 1, 2005 @ 3:44 pm

DaveScot manages to alienate everyone by digging up dirt on his opponents and making a tasteless reference to AIDS-related dementia.  Even Dembski slaps his wrist:
     
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DaveScot:
1) What does what puckSR choose to do in his personal life have to do with this blog?
2) Unless i am sorely mistaken,he said on one of his earlier posts that he is a Christian, so why do you label him as an atheist?
3) Your comments have been way off subject and quite unproductive, so why have you not been expelled from this blog? Mr. Dembski clearly states, “If you post a comment that I don’t think is productive, I’ll probably not just eliminate your comment but you from this blog.”

[I take infamous’s point to heart. Let’s stay on topic and keep things interesting. –WmAD]

Comment by infamous — December 1, 2005 @ 3:57 pm

Date: 2006/05/31 17:16:16, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
In case any of you were wondering, Paley's mathematical "argument" is bogus and purely obfuscatory.  Don't waste any time on it.  

Eric is right to pin him down on parallax.

You should also ask him to explain the phases of Venus and Mercury.

Date: 2006/06/02 10:16:32, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
The full paper is available here.

Date: 2006/06/02 10:55:57, Link 71.131.216.145
Author: keiths
Chandra Wickramasinghe's group at Cardiff University says:
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Further work in progress has yielded positive for DNA using DAPI staining in the cells and daughters. However, this identification is not yet fully confirmed, and might be considered equivocal. We hope to pursue our efforts in extracting DNA (if it exists), amplifying it and carrying out genetic sequencing, but this work takes time.

Date: 2006/06/07 10:37:42, Link 71.131.183.108
Author: keiths
Quote (DaveScot June 7 @ 2006)
So, when it comes to anything Pim Van Meurs has to say, I say “consider the source” and take it with many grains of salt.

Dave Springer must be the least self-aware man on the planet.

Date: 2006/06/07 13:48:42, Link 71.131.183.108
Author: keiths
Quote (William Dembski June 7 @ 2006)
And now here is the full text with the two passages marked in bold. Note that the PT post simply kludges those passages together (you’ll have to scroll down quite a ways to see the connection). By the way, I’ve saved the page at PT just so that they don’t insert ellipses and say there never was a problem...

Hilarious.  Dembski accuses Pim of 'kludging' the two passages together, but it turns out that Dembski did it himself.

I guess ID is capable of detecting kludges, but says nothing about the identity of the kludger.

Date: 2006/06/07 18:52:18, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
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Every time I get into it with PT, I get this sick, dirty feeling, like I’ve been to an outhouse that’s in constant use but hasn’t been cleaned in years. I’m closing this thread down as well and will be more careful in the future about taking their bait.

Dembski doesn't seem to realize that the 'sick, dirty feeling' has nothing to do with PT and everything to do with himself.  He is the one posting anonymous reviews of his own books on Amazon.  He is the one reporting Eric Pianka to the Department of Homeland Security.  He is the one trashing Jeff Shallit's deposition, then making the evidence disappear when his accusations turn out to be unfounded.  He is the one smearing Kevin Padian, and now he is the one offering half-apologies for falsely accusing Pim van Meurs of quote-mining.

Ah, but you see, it's PT's fault for baiting him. 

What self-respecting person could do all of that and NOT experience a 'sick, dirty feeling' when looking in the mirror?

Logs and motes, Bill.  Logs and motes.

Date: 2006/06/08 00:45:52, Link 71.131.183.108
Author: keiths
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Anybody know Freeman Dyson's email address?

It's dyson@ias.edu.  He's at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, NJ.

Date: 2006/06/08 19:23:02, Link 71.131.238.47
Author: keiths
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"methodology" is the study of method, like "ichthyology" is the study of fish.  The correct term to use here is simply "methods".

Sir Fishy,

I don't usually find myself disagreeing with you, but in this case I must.  "Methodology" is legitimately used to refer to a set of practices or procedures, both in my field of engineering and in the language at large (see  here and here).  Think of it as analogous to the word "ideology".

Having said that, I agree that "methods" would have sounded better than "methodologies" in Spike's sentence.

Date: 2006/06/11 11:51:56, Link 71.131.178.203
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2006,13:55)
I need the good stuff. I need claims like typing sentences violates the SLoT. I'm still laughing about that one.

Banning you also violates the SLoT, but you're still out of here. -dt

Date: 2006/06/11 19:54:12, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Sgt. Doofus informs us that there is no such thing as a fitness function in nature:

 
Quote (DaveTard June 11 @ 2006)
This is all so incredibly naive. All these programs have fitness functions which is explicitely a direction given by an intelligent agent. Nature has no fitness function. Nature, or rather Darwin’s version of nature, doesn’t give a flying flop if anything is alive or not. In fact any student of nature knows that the rule is utter sterility. Everywhere we look other than the thin skin of the planet earth is a completely sterile environment and nature is as happy as a clam with nothing alive. So get rid of all fitness evaluations in these so-called simulations of evolution and see what happens.

This is the same DaveTard who has said many times elsewhere that natural selection maintains the status quo by weeding out mutants.  

It's a good thing Dave is stupid, or the cognitive dissonance would have exploded his head long ago.

Date: 2006/06/12 17:15:45, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Bill Dembski on Ann Coulter's new book:
 
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Critics will dismiss it for its hyperbole, lack of nuance, and in-your-face attitude.

But to IDers like me, these are good things.
 
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But she has the gist just right, which is that materialism (she calls it liberalism) dominates our culture despite being held by only a minority of the populace...

Liberalism, materialism, whatever.  They all look the same to me.  It's an ism, and isms are bad.
 
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...and has become an agenda among our elites (academy, scientists, media) for total worldview reprogramming.

We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture!  Keep your hands off my total worldview!

Date: 2006/06/12 19:48:08, Link 71.131.178.203
Author: keiths
Dembski's newest post, entitled "Frank Beckwith Rips PvM (and Brian Leiter) a New One" (wording very close, but not exact -- the post hasn't appeared yet in Wes's Memory Hole) has now been retitled "Frank Beckwith Impales PvM (and Brian Leiter)".  

I guess Dembski had second thoughts about one violent metaphor and decided to replace it with another.

He's been creepier than usual lately.  Perhaps it's due to DaveTard's influence.  Recall Davey's fantasy about  
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...the blood and screaming from my fists pounding his [PZ Myers'] face to a pulp...

which appeared beneath a post entitled "PZ Myers Vies with Eric Pianka for Top Psycho Scientist Award."  But for the "Scientist" qualifier, Davey could have won hands down.

What do you suppose the conversation is like when Dembski discusses his unChristian revenge fantasies with his Maker?

Date: 2006/06/14 20:02:06, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ June 14 2006,21:20)
Salvador Cordova--you know him, the person a small minority of people thought might actually be dumber than AFDave--has a new post up at UD. Apparently he, too, is some kind of pilot, on top of having an engineering degree.

Lest anyone think that a combination engineering/flying background dooms one to creobotulism,  let me assure you that there are plenty of non-creobot pilot/engineers in the world (including me and 3 out of 12 fellow employees at the company where I work).

On the other hand, there might be a connection between creationism and flying too high too long without oxygen...

Date: 2006/06/14 20:32:48, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Early in the thread:
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My left magneto gave out and I continued flying using only the right magneto. There are no instruments on board to indicate if one of the magnetos fail. The failure is usually discovered after landing. The airplane flies just fine without on one magneto as long as the other magneto is working. That is by design.

Later in the thread, Salvador admits that the magneto didn't fail at all, but rather the plugs got fouled:          
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What apparently happened was the spark plugs tied to left magneto system got badly fouled, and I mean badly, the engine was cutting off during the check. It absolutely turned my stomach. The physical magneto did not fail as much as the magneto system (a phrase which I mean to includ the plugs tied to them).

It remains a mystery why the plugs tied to the right magneto were not comparably fouled. I can only thank Providence for that fact. To remedy the situation, I leaned out the engine and ran up the RPMs to generate maximum heat in attempt to burn off the junk on the plugs tied to the left magneto. I was skeptical super heating the engine would solve the problem because the way the engine was dying, I thought for sure it was something other than spark plug fouling. Anyway, after a few minutes of this procedure, the left magneto system was operational, but I flew with the uncomforatble thought that only a few hours of flight could hose one’s sparkplugs that badly!

Translation:  The left magneto failed.  Well, not the physical magneto. (The spiritual magneto?)  Okay, I screwed up by running the mixture too rich during cruise and fouled the plugs.  The Designer bailed me out.

The moral of the story: Don't fly with Salvador.

Date: 2006/06/14 23:12:41, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Let's parse Davey's little adventure:

He was an inexperienced student pilot about to embark on a cross-country solo flight.  He noticed what he thought was an airspeed indicator error on takeoff.  Instead of landing immediately and getting the AI checked out, like any sensible pilot would do, he proceeded to fly the entire cross-country in what he believed was a defective aircraft.

Not only that, he split the difference between what the airspeed indicator said and what he thought it should say, even after testing for the actual stall speed.  The result was that he took off, climbed, approached, and landed, all at airspeeds too close to the stall speed.

As for his instructor being impressed that Davey noticed the discrepancy, consider this:  rotation speed is 55 knots in a Cessna 172 (which is what Davey previously mentioned flying).  If he tried to rotate at 55 MPH, he was rotating at 48 knots, which is the clean stall speed for a C-172.  At that speed, the airplane would have at most staggered out of ground effect with the stall horn blaring.  Anyone failing to notice that is deaf as well as stupid.

I think we can be grateful that Davey gave up flying and now spends his time in his boat ogling nude sunbathers on the shores of Lake Travis.

Date: 2006/06/15 09:19:50, Link 71.131.178.203
Author: keiths
Looks like dedicated AtBC reader DaveScot's pride has been wounded:
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There’s a reason KeithS is blacklisted here. He’s loud and stupid. Loud I can tolerate. At ATBC he blithers on about how any real pilot would have immediately turned around and landed suspecting a faulty airspeed indicator...

And this gem:
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As for the airspeed indicator being clearly labeled MPH - it was but it was in very small print and one tends not to notice things that one never looks for.

Stay tuned, Davey.  I'll reply when I get some time later today.

Date: 2006/06/15 09:27:38, Link 71.131.178.203
Author: keiths
Quote (jujuquisp @ June 15 2006,14:14)
At least Sal and DaveTard can spell "beginning" correctly.  Geez.

Faid is Greek.  I'm willing to bet that his English spelling is better than your Greek spelling.

Date: 2006/06/17 12:38:14, Link 71.131.183.245
Author: keiths
On the "infinite monkeys" thread, Dave "Otto" Scott gets his physics wrong even when (presumably) trying to make a joke:  
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You’re all wrong. An infinite number of monkeys would weigh enough to collapse into a black hole and they’d all be dead.

Comment by DaveScot — June 17, 2006 @ 7:49 am

Date: 2006/06/18 17:15:11, Link 71.131.183.245
Author: keiths
Dave "Otto" Scott reveals that he is as (un)qualified to talk about aviation as he is about biology:

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There’s a reason KeithS is blacklisted here. He’s loud and stupid. Loud I can tolerate.

It's pretty clear that Otto can tolerate both, or he would have banned himself a long time ago.

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At ATBC he blithers on about how any real pilot would have immediately turned around and landed suspecting a faulty airspeed indicator.

"blithers on" = "dares to criticize me, the great Otto Pilot!"

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Here’s a clue for you Keith. Pilots flying VFR don’t rely on flight instruments. No instruments at all.

So when the FAA says it is illegal to fly VFR without a functioning airspeed indicator, altimeter, etc., that's just a Darwinist conspiracy to sell more flight instruments, eh, Otto?

How do you fly at the exact traffic pattern altitude without "relying on" an altimeter?  When your engine fails, how do you set up the best glide speed without "relying on" an airspeed indicator?  Do you wet your finger and stick it out the window?

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If you can’t fly safely without instruments on a clear day in uncontrolled airspace you don’t belong behind the yoke.

Every pilot should be able to land after detecting an instrument failure.  It's the ones who keep going after noticing a problem on takeoff that don't belong behind the yoke.

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Takeoff is not accomplished by staring at the airspeed indicator waiting for rotation speed you dolt.

Are you aware that you can use an instrument without staring at it, Otto?  It's called "scanning".

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You trim the elevator for takeoff, accelerate at full throttle, and let the plane lift itself off the ground without yoke pressure from the pilot.

Wrong.  Read the Cessna 172 manual:

NORMAL TAKEOFF

1. Wing Flaps -- UP.
2. Carburetor Heat -- COLD.
3. Throttle -- FULL OPEN.
4. Elevator Control -- LIFT NOSE WHEEL (at 55 KIAS).
5. Climb Speed -- 70-80 KIAS.

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You never hear the stall horn on takeoff.

True, if you're an inexperienced pilot who has never done a short field takeoff on a gusty day.

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With enough experience in the aircraft and runway, and knowing the headwind component, you know about where on the runway the plane will lift off if everything is normal.

Spoken like a true novice.  Real pilots have to deal with a range of conditions.  Bay Area pilots know the difference between taking off solo from Palo Alto on a cold winter day, versus Lake Tahoe with three passengers in July:

C-172, 1900 lbs.,   sea level, 32 deg F, no wind: ground roll  470 ft.
C-172, 2300 lbs., 6000 feet, 77 deg F, no wind: ground roll 1500 ft.

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On climbout you have several instruments as well as your senses to tell you what’s going on. You have a rate of climb indicator and an artificial horizon. If everything is running normal your rate of climb at full throttle and pitch will be at a certain reading.

Wrong again.  You simply cannot use the same pitch attitude at Lake Tahoe as at Palo Alto.  Tahoe's elevation is over 6000 feet. You have to drop the nose to compensate for the decrease in power available at full throttle at that altitude.

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On the flight in question everything was normal except the airspeed indicator was reading high. No biggie.

Not true.  You previously admitted to splitting the difference between the airspeed indicator reading and what you thought it should be:

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When I was flying it I noticed that the airspeeds weren’t what I expected for rotation, stall, etcetera so I cut the difference in half between what my experience told me the airspeed was and what the airspeed indicator reading was and used the compromise to set up the plane for various flight modes.

That means you were flying too close to the stall in all of the critical flight phases.

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As for the airspeed indicator being clearly labeled MPH - it was but it was in very small print and one tends not to notice things that one never looks for.

A pox on those Darwinist instrument manufacturers!  They know that ID supporters don't read the fine print!

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I could just as easily blame my instructor for never telling me to check for it since he’d been working out of that small airport with its single rental/training outfit for a few years.  Surely he knew that a single C-172 among the half dozen or so of them had an MPH airspeed indicator.

Sorry, Otto.  You can't blame your instructor:

Federal Aviation Regulation 91.3:
The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

And besides, your instructor wasn't the one who decided to keep going after noticing something funny with the airspeed indicator.

Summary:
1. Student pilot Otto prepares for a cross-country solo.
2. He selects a plane he has never flown before.
3. He fails to familiarize himself with the panel.
4. He ignores the takeoff procedure specified in the manual.
5. He notices something funny with the airspeed indicator on takeoff.
6. Rather than landing to get it checked out by an instructor or mechanic, he continues flying to his destination, even though it is illegal to fly with a broken airspeed indicator.
7. During the flight, he "splits the difference" and therefore ends up flying too slowly during critical phases of the flight.
8. At his destination, he still doesn't seek advice from an experienced pilot or instructor.  He doesn't call someone at the home airport.  He simply turns around and flies back.
9. Having screwed up, he tries to explain how VFR pilots don't "rely on" their instruments.
10. In case that doesn't work, he puts the blame on his instructor.

The funny thing is, having observed Otto in action for the last six months on UD, none of this surprises me.

Date: 2006/06/19 20:40:08, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Lots of nice ironies in this OttoTard quote from a year ago:
Quote (DaveScot @ May 2 2005 3:51 PM)
My comments were arbitrarily deleted and disemvoweled at Panda’s Thumb. Trying to escape that treatment I resorted to using randomly selected names. I was then banned for using multiple names. Professor Emeritus of Biology John Davison,University of Vermont, has suffered the same treatment at Panda’s Thumb except they still allow him to post comments on “The Bathroom Wall” like he’s not qualified to comment elsewhere. Professor Davison has been a practicing doctor in biology for nearly 50 years. Their treatment of him is outrageous. They call him every derogatory name you can think of and accuse him of senility. I correspond with him a lot. He’s got more wits about him now at 76 years of age than any of those cretins ever had at any time in their miserable lives.

I’ve also been a subscriber and dedicated reader of Scientific American for almost 40 years. I found that the editor, John Rennie, has a blog at http://sciam-editor.typepad.com Rennie is a flaming blind believer in the Darwinian narrative. I began posting my thoughts on evolution on his blog some weeks ago and he also summarily deleted all my comments and banned me. Some way to treat a subscriber of many decades. I’m a retired computer scientist and accomplished inventor in the field. I know a design when I see one and can easily point out some of the myriad things about the machinery of life, in common personal computer parlance, that make it as obviously intelligently designed as the computer y’all are using to read this. I guess they can’t take that.

I’m not any kind of a conspiracy theorist, nor am I religious (I follow the evidence, wherever it leads) but it sure looks to me like there’s a concerted effort by the mainstream science establishment to censor criticism of the Darwinian narrative. The only thing holding up the monumental atheist fraud is the judicial system and the tortured latter 20th century interpretation of the establishment clause. It’s really turns my stomach to see what these Darwin worshippers are doing to science. This is doing great damage to science in the eyes of the public. The Darwinian narrative is going to fall. It’s just a matter of time. The longer and more doggedly the atheist scientific establishment dishonestly clings to their fantasy the worse they look when the cookie finally crumbles.

Man, I’m sure glad I call myself an engineer instead of a scientist. Science is spelled “reverse-engineering” in our world. We resort to it when necessary instead of making a career out of it.

Sorry to rant.

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 3:51 pm

Date: 2006/06/20 17:57:04, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
This "strong gravity" fiasco has really shaken DaveScot's confidence.  You can tell he's feeling insecure when he starts boasting compulsively:
   
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I’m an autodidact with a certified IQ north of 150 (MGCT and SAT tests). I had a college level vocabulary at 9 years of age and was reading everything about science I could get my hands on starting a few years before that. I’ve continued on that course for over 40 years. In my spare time I became a computer design engineer and self-made millionaire. I quit my day job after making my third million (about 6 years ago) so I can concentrate on fun subjects like science that has little or nothing to do with computers (if I can help it), politics, and religion. So basically all the scientific discovery of the last 40 years important enough to make it into the pages of Scientific American I read about at the time it was discovered. For the last 13 years though I’ve had a broadband connection to the internet and my sources expanded exponentially. For the last 6 years I haven’t been burdened with being a computer whiz kid and my time to learn new things has expanded not exponentially but at least doubled or trebled. Any more questions? -ds

Yes, Otto, I have some questions:

1. If you had a college-level vocabulary at age 9, what happened to it?
2. Having read about all of the most important discoveries of the last 40 years, why have you forgotten almost all of them?
3. Did you skip the articles on the 2nd law of thermodynamics, black body temperatures, hemoglobin, and blood types?
4. Did you make yourself a millionaire or did Dell?
5. For the last six years you "haven’t been burdened with being a computer whiz kid."  Was there a time when you did carry such a burden?
6. Did you know that gravity is the weakest of the fundamental forces?

Try Googling "gravity strongest force" and "gravity weakest force" and compare the results.  Took me 35 seconds.  Why do I have to do your homework for you?  I can spoonfeed this stuff to you if you'll stop making faces and spitting it out.

Date: 2006/06/20 23:14:08, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Berlinski via GilDodgen:
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The Panda’s Thumb, on the other hand, is entirely low-market; the men who contribute to the blog all have some vague technical background - computer sales, sound mixing, low-level programming, print-shops or copy centers; they are semi-literate; their posts convey that characteristic combination of pustules and gonorrhea that one would otherwise associate with high-school toughs.

Here's  Gil's post.  I am still reeling from the sheer intellectual force of it:
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The fact of the matter remains: Random mutation and natural selection as an explanation for all of life’s complexity, functionally integrated machinery, and information content is wishful speculation, unsupported by convincing hard evidence. This should simply be admitted.

Note the penetrating argument, the careful marshalling of evidence, the incisive critique of our position.  We should simply admit that Gil is right.

Low-market computer-selling sound-mixing semi-literate church-burning Ebola boy SteveS stubbornly responds:
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Oh, don’t worry, Gil. In a week or so, Paul Nelson’s going to be presenting Ontogenetic Depth v 2.0 at the Society of Developmental Biology meeting, and I’m sure that will obliterate Darwinism, you know, like the Explanatory Filter did, and the NFL theorems, and your analogies to computers, and Irreducible Complexity, and Sal’s plane anecdotes, and the last 400-500 dumb things you guys have said, and Intelligent Evolution will in the future, &c, &c, &c….

Gil's rejoinder:
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Dear Steve,

I appreciate your intellectually satisfying refutation of my thesis.

Ouch.  I'm sure Steve is still smarting from that one.

Date: 2006/06/21 18:23:30, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Otto Didact wrote:
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I had all the formal training in electromagnetic theory the military has to offer which is substantial plus a number of college classes after the military but I didn’t learn anything in the college classes that I hadn’t already learned on my own. I think it’s your turn to tell us about yourself now. You can start out with your real name and where you work. If your next comment doesn’t include that information you can take a hike since that’s the way you want to play.

I'm beginning to think that Dave isn't a college graduate.  It would explain a lot:

1. He never talks about earning his engineering degree, his GPA, etc.
2. His insecurity and braggadocio may may be the result of trying to prove himself to his degreed colleagues.
3. I can't remember how many times I've wondered to myself, "How could this guy have survived engineering school without knowing that?"
4. He immediately gets defensive (see the above quote) whenever the subject of qualifications comes up.

I used to think it was because he didn't have a science degree.  Now I think it may be because he has no degree at all.

Date: 2006/06/22 09:06:11, Link 71.131.249.211
Author: keiths
Quote (argystokes @ June 22 2006,11:45)
Ah, Randy has finally "come out" against eating polyester and wearing shellfish.

I'm also against eating polyester, but on non-Biblical grounds.  The fibers get stuck in my teeth and it gives me the runs.

Date: 2006/06/25 00:11:45, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Marcus Evenstar @ June 25 2006,04:01)

I can't add to the science here but I'd still like to alleviate the social burden he represents. Is there some foundation that works to cure Severe Neophobia and Ossified Mentation?

Like many mental illnesses, SN and OM cause their victims to reject treatment, if they're aware of the sickness at all.

If we can't cure them, at least we can work to limit their impact on society.

Date: 2006/06/25 19:29:16, Link 71.131.249.211
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 25 2006,17:57)
Oddly, Josh never did come back (as far as I know), even though other fundies who were at least as dumb as Josh soon came to re-infest UD. I guess JB's "feelings were hurt" or something. Whatever.

Josh did try to come back at least once under a different name.  Problem was, even DaveTard could recognize the distinctively contentless logorrhea of a Bozeman post and promptly rebanned him.

Date: 2006/06/25 23:57:31, Link 71.131.249.211
Author: keiths
Quote (Chris Hyland @ June 26 2006,00:53)
Was it just me or when avocationist was over here didn't she claim to believe in some abstract version of God and not the literal biblical version. If so she seems to have changed her tune a bit.

I think she's still the same old avocationist.  Here's something she posted on the Weinberg thread yesterday:
 
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Do you really suppose that whole chunks of humanity have no access to the highest truths? Do you think the real teacher, the Holy Spirit, does not permeate all things? Does the Holy Spirit simply not bother to teach people unless they are in possession of a particular document made of ink and paper? Can we really suppose that the genome must deteriorate (Sanford) but not a book written over many centuries at different times and places? Can anyone suppose that spiritual truths are contained within matter and matter alone? Has anyone studied the corruption and terrible infighting that went on with the bishops who by vote decided upon the creed and the canon of the Bible? Did the scriptures prevent the pharisees from being spiritually blind? Wasn’t it the people most immersed in the scriptures that Jesus had the hardest time reachings with his living truth?

Date: 2006/06/27 11:14:21, Link 71.131.222.227
Author: keiths
Slightly off topic, but this does remind me of some of our friends at Uncommon Descent.  Enjoy.

(Full video here.)

Date: 2006/06/27 17:43:20, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 27 2006,22:30)
Did you happen to save some of the messages from last winter where DS talks about what a persecuted genius Davison is? I remember him getting positively gushy a few times.

Here's one I dug up a week ago:

Quote (keiths @ June 20 2006,01:40)
Lots of nice ironies in this OttoTard quote from a year ago:
     
Quote (DaveScot @ May 2 2005 3:51 PM)
My comments were arbitrarily deleted and disemvoweled at Panda’s Thumb. Trying to escape that treatment I resorted to using randomly selected names. I was then banned for using multiple names. Professor Emeritus of Biology John Davison,University of Vermont, has suffered the same treatment at Panda’s Thumb except they still allow him to post comments on “The Bathroom Wall” like he’s not qualified to comment elsewhere. Professor Davison has been a practicing doctor in biology for nearly 50 years. Their treatment of him is outrageous. They call him every derogatory name you can think of and accuse him of senility. I correspond with him a lot. He’s got more wits about him now at 76 years of age than any of those cretins ever had at any time in their miserable lives.

I’ve also been a subscriber and dedicated reader of Scientific American for almost 40 years. I found that the editor, John Rennie, has a blog at http://sciam-editor.typepad.com Rennie is a flaming blind believer in the Darwinian narrative. I began posting my thoughts on evolution on his blog some weeks ago and he also summarily deleted all my comments and banned me. Some way to treat a subscriber of many decades. I’m a retired computer scientist and accomplished inventor in the field. I know a design when I see one and can easily point out some of the myriad things about the machinery of life, in common personal computer parlance, that make it as obviously intelligently designed as the computer y’all are using to read this. I guess they can’t take that.

I’m not any kind of a conspiracy theorist, nor am I religious (I follow the evidence, wherever it leads) but it sure looks to me like there’s a concerted effort by the mainstream science establishment to censor criticism of the Darwinian narrative. The only thing holding up the monumental atheist fraud is the judicial system and the tortured latter 20th century interpretation of the establishment clause. It’s really turns my stomach to see what these Darwin worshippers are doing to science. This is doing great damage to science in the eyes of the public. The Darwinian narrative is going to fall. It’s just a matter of time. The longer and more doggedly the atheist scientific establishment dishonestly clings to their fantasy the worse they look when the cookie finally crumbles.

Man, I’m sure glad I call myself an engineer instead of a scientist. Science is spelled “reverse-engineering” in our world. We resort to it when necessary instead of making a career out of it.

Sorry to rant.

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 3:51 pm

Date: 2006/06/27 20:48:55, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Selected comments from this thread:
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As for my IQ, I am sure it is not what it once was due to the ravages of age, alcohol and dealing with Darwinian mysticism. When it was tested back in the late 1940’s it was 146, thankfully below the 150 mark indicating genius. I have no idea what it is now but I am confident it is not yet in the room temperature range as apparently is the case with some of my adversaries.

Comment by John Davison — January 28, 2006 @ 10:03 am

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Not only is Dr. Davison an intellectual giant, he is also a giant of intellectual honesty. Truly a rare combination.

Comment by dougmoran — January 28, 2006 @ 10:46 am

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Being Belgian (my mother was English) I have to ask dougmoran, was that comment meant to be taken seriously?

Comment by Xavier — January 28, 2006 @ 12:25 pm

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I too would like to know if dougmoran is for real or not. If he is I may send him a Valentine. I am not accustomed to compliments and do not deal with them when they rarely occur. I am shy don’t you know!

Comment by John Davison — January 28, 2006 @ 4:43 pm

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Professor Davison

Hey genius, genius IQ level is 145+.

I hate to break it to you, but you’re not as dumb as you like to think you are.  

I think DougMoran was serious too.

Comment by DaveScot — January 28, 2006 @ 7:01 pm

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My IQ is well into the 99th percentile and I think Darwinism is bankrupt.

(99th %ile on the LSAT, which is administered to only college graduates and which is the least subject-matter oriented of the standardized test — it’s all logic and reasoning stuff. In fact, I am an LSAT instructor  

Comment by theonomo — January 28, 2006 @ 8:04 pm

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Xaver said: “Being Belgian (my mother was English) I have to ask dougmoran, was that comment meant to be taken seriously?”

Yes, I was sincere. Intellectual honesty is a rare thing and seems to be harder to find the further up the intellectual food chain one looks. So I felt inclined to point it out in this case. Hope I didn’t offend anyone!

Comment by dougmoran — January 30, 2006 @ 12:17 am

Date: 2006/07/01 13:01:30, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
GilDodgen advocates attacking God the Designer:
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Here’s a thought: What if the mutations that confer antibiotic resistance to bacteria are not random, but designed and engineered in some way? If they are random there is nothing we can do about it, but if they are designed perhaps we could find a way to attack the mechanism that engineers these “mutations,” and defeat the bugs once and for all. If this should turn out to be the case, this would be another example of how erroneous Darwinian assumptions led us down a blind alley, as they did with “junk” DNA and many “vestigial” organs.

Comment by GilDodgen — July 1, 2006 @ 9:24 am

Date: 2006/07/04 22:35:11, Link 71.131.222.227
Author: keiths
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Taking the high road and maintaining the high ground at UD

This just in from a trusted colleague:

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Your “uncommondescent.com” blog is such an important source of useful and thought-provoking information and is so widely read, that it hurts me to see it deteriorate into ad homonem attacks and name-calling, as it has lately. I am quite aware that the other side uses such tactics almost to the exclusion of logic, but I’m convinced that responding in kind is not effective (I certainly understand the temptation, and do it myself frequently), staying on the high road and sticking to the issues, even showing respect for opponents who don’t disserve it, really gets people’s attention, because it is such a rare tactic in today’s world. I have more than once told friends that one reason Michael Behe is so effective is he treats all questions with respect, no matter how ill-intentioned.

I know it feels good to administer a spanking to the other side (certainly they deserve it and sometimes it needs to be done publicly), but as much as possible let’s focus on the issues of intellectual merit — this is where ID wins hands down.

Filed under: Intelligent Design — William Dembski @ 7:47 am

Dembski also appears to enjoy administering an occasional spanking to DaveScot.  Too bad it took a "trusted colleague" to make him aware that his blog was turning into The Jerry Springer Show.

Date: 2006/07/04 22:48:26, Link 71.131.222.227
Author: keiths
I missed this on my first read-through:
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ad homonem attacks

I think we have a new name for a favorite DaveTard tactic.

Date: 2006/07/04 23:04:44, Link 71.131.222.227
Author: keiths
An interesting glimpse at how Salvador sees himself:
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Well, given that we’re getting so much unexpected attention, I suppose we’ll have to try to be more diplomatic rather than being the pranksters, trouble makers, and irreverent comedians that many of us (myself foremost) are at heart.

Salvador

Comment by scordova — July 4, 2006 @ 10:04 am

Date: 2006/07/05 07:19:31, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but DaveTard is as bad at lying as he is at biology and logic.  Look at how his Scientific American "credential" morphs over time:
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I’ve read every issue of SciAm cover to cover for two decades in my spare time...

Posted by DaveScot on January 6, 2005 03:25 PM

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I’ve also been a subscriber and dedicated reader of Scientific American for almost 40 years.

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 3:51 pm

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I found it a bit disturbing that a double PhD from UC and Yale with a perfect SAT score would be called a blithering idiot by the editor of an otherwise respectable magazine that I’ve subscribed to for 30 years.

Comment by DaveScot — June 3, 2005 @ 3:40 pm

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I am an extreme polymath. Auto-didact. Going on 50 years of voracious consumption of any and all scientific literature processed and correlated by an IQ well into the genius range. I had all the hard science in the World Book encyclopedia memorized by the third grade and that was just the beginning. I’ve read, I reckon, 400 issues of Scientific American cover-to-cover and understand most of it...

Comment by DaveScot — June 15, 2005 @ 3:15 pm

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Astronomy rules, dude. For the past 400 months when I get my Scientific American in the mail if there’s an article on astronomy or cosmology in it I turn straight to it before anything else. After reading that I usually go from front to back reading everything else...

June 15, 2005 @ 6:11 pm

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Perhaps Santa should give Steve a subscription to Scientific American for Christmas - a magazine I’ve been reading cover to cover every month for 30 years - so he wouldn’t have missed The Alternative Genome and then he’d know that introns aren’t junk DNA...

March 6, 2006

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So basically all the scientific discovery of the last 40 years important enough to make it into the pages of Scientific American I read about at the time it was discovered...

June 20, 2006

Date: 2006/07/06 04:38:46, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 05 2006,12:31)
Funny that DT is always name dropping Scientific American to give himself legitimacy, since I'll bet the SciAm editorial board thinks Intelligent Design is a load of shit.  :p

They do indeed:

http://www.sciam.com/article....B7FFE9F

Date: 2006/07/09 00:52:21, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 08 2006,21:10)
 
Quote (Chris Hyland @ July 07 2006,06:05)
If Dave thought she wasn't for real he would have banned her in a second.

       
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P.S. My wife’s name is Janie. She is a French teacher. We met in French classes in college 30 years ago. “Belle” is the French word for beautiful, so JanieBelle has a special place in my heart.


er...


As my daughter might say,

Janie and DaveTard in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!!!



That little valentine was actually from GilDodgen, not DaveTard.

Date: 2006/07/09 19:19:12, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tiax. I certainly do know. And if Mung reads this he will too. I haven’t had this much fun with an encyclopedia since before I finished memorizing the World Book Encyclopedia in the 5th grade. I continued to get the Science Supplement every year until I was 18 but at a measly 300 pages it only provided a day of distraction. -ds

It sounds like Dave was a smart kid before the accident.  It's a shame that a simple blow to the head not only devastated his intelligence, but rendered him incapable of boasting effectively.

Davey, here's some advice on how to brag better:

1. Don't be so eager to boast.  Your eagerness betrays your insecurity and makes people doubt you.

2. If you must brag, brag about something you're good at.  It's jarring to hear you bragging about your intelligence, your logical thinking ability, and your scientific knowledge when you make glaring errors every day in each of those areas.  Did you really think we wouldn't notice the discrepancy?

3. Let your performance speak for you. People recognize competence even without the bluster.  The trick is being competent first.   Learn some biology, take some classes, go back and read those science supplements.
 
4. Let others do your bragging for you.  Have you noticed that brilliant people don't need to do their own boasting?  If you're good enough, people will notice it and remark on it.  Google "DaveScot", and you'll see that you're not making the impression you're hoping to make on other people.

5. Keep your boasts consistent.  Have you been reading SciAm cover to cover for 20, 30, or 40 years?  Pick a story and stick to it.  When you contradict yourself, we know you're lying.

Regards,
KeithS

Date: 2006/07/10 00:31:52, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
Dedicated AtBC reader DaveScot digs his hole a little deeper:
 
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Speaking of Scientific American the peanut gallery at ATBC is raising some questions about why I’ve variously mentioned reading it for 20, 30, and 40 years.

Here is clarification.

The earliest I recall regularly reading SciAm was in the 7th grade. The school library subscribed to it and I spent a lot of my time at school in the library. That would make it at least 36 years ago that I started reading it every month. I’ve no doubt rounded that up to 40 years or down to 30 years just because I like round numbers and it doesn’t really matter that much. From age 18 to 23 I might not have read it every month as I wasn’t in a library much except when required for college assignments and bought it off the newstands. Shortly after I married (at age 24) I began subscribing to it. That was over 20 years ago and I’ve no doubt mentioned that I’ve been a subscriber for 20 or 25 years...
So there.

Comment by DaveScot — July 10, 2006 @ 4:56 am


Translation:
I've been reading SciAm every month for 36 years, except for the years when I didn't read it every month.  And I've been a subscriber for almost 40 years (see below), except for the years I didn't subscribe to it.  As for reading it from cover to cover, let's just forget I ever mentioned that...

Dave is learning firsthand that you need to take good notes in order to be a successful liar.

Quote (keiths @ July 05 2006,12:19)
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but DaveTard is as bad at lying as he is at biology and logic.  Look at how his Scientific American "credential" morphs over time:
 
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I’ve read every issue of SciAm cover to cover for two decades in my spare time...

Posted by DaveScot on January 6, 2005 03:25 PM

 
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I’ve also been a subscriber and dedicated reader of Scientific American for almost 40 years.

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 3:51 pm

 
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I found it a bit disturbing that a double PhD from UC and Yale with a perfect SAT score would be called a blithering idiot by the editor of an otherwise respectable magazine that I’ve subscribed to for 30 years.

Comment by DaveScot — June 3, 2005 @ 3:40 pm

 
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I am an extreme polymath. Auto-didact. Going on 50 years of voracious consumption of any and all scientific literature processed and correlated by an IQ well into the genius range. I had all the hard science in the World Book encyclopedia memorized by the third grade and that was just the beginning. I’ve read, I reckon, 400 issues of Scientific American cover-to-cover and understand most of it...

Comment by DaveScot — June 15, 2005 @ 3:15 pm

 
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Astronomy rules, dude. For the past 400 months when I get my Scientific American in the mail if there’s an article on astronomy or cosmology in it I turn straight to it before anything else. After reading that I usually go from front to back reading everything else...

June 15, 2005 @ 6:11 pm

 
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Perhaps Santa should give Steve a subscription to Scientific American for Christmas - a magazine I’ve been reading cover to cover every month for 30 years - so he wouldn’t have missed The Alternative Genome and then he’d know that introns aren’t junk DNA...

March 6, 2006

 
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So basically all the scientific discovery of the last 40 years important enough to make it into the pages of Scientific American I read about at the time it was discovered...

June 20, 2006

Date: 2006/07/10 00:42:28, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ July 10 2006,00:26)
I know why this thread has slowed down a bit. The same reason I've slowed down a bit on it. Pointing out errors and contradictions in the statements of Davetard and pals is not merely like shooting fish in a barrel, it's like shooting fish in a barrel at point-blank range with a Barrett .50 cal.

I'm not going to stop, but I am going to take occasional breaks.

A definite case of Tard Fatigue Syndrome.  I prescribe two Yuenglings and a chapter from Endless Forms Most Beautiful.

Date: 2006/07/10 07:26:03, Link 71.131.190.244
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 09 2006,10:51)
 
Quote (keiths @ July 09 2006,05:52)
   
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 08 2006,21:10)
     
Quote (Chris Hyland @ July 07 2006,06:05)
If Dave thought she wasn't for real he would have banned her in a second.

             
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P.S. My wife’s name is Janie. She is a French teacher. We met in French classes in college 30 years ago. “Belle” is the French word for beautiful, so JanieBelle has a special place in my heart.


er...


As my daughter might say,

Janie and DaveTard in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I-N-G!!!



That little valentine was actually from GilDodgen, not DaveTard.

Great. Ruin my day, why don't you? :angry:


Arden,

If it's any consolation, I heard a rumor that JanieBelle is rumored to be DaveTard's alleged illegitimate daughter.  Of course these are only rumors, so I can't be held accountable for repeating them.

Stop the ACLU!

Date: 2006/07/13 00:51:06, Link 71.131.234.84
Author: keiths
Severe Irony Alert

In a comment wherein he links to his infamous intellectual dishonesty thread, dougmoran says:  
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One last comment. There is an ancient historical/philosophical/spiritual document that has something profound to say about this very topic. Paraphrasing, it says that nothing is more deceptive to itself than the human heart. I’ll leave it at that.

Doug -- look in the mirror and repeat that to yourself five times.

Date: 2006/07/13 01:01:28, Link 71.131.234.84
Author: keiths
Sometimes it's the finer points that make a piece of tardity special.  Witness the mixed metaphors in this bit of wisdom from (il)lucID:
 
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One’s worldview (where we came from, why we are here, and the ultimate meaning of life), as Dave so aptly put it in the above, I feel is really the crux for most arch-darwinists (and even the newer ones) clinging on to this archaic theory for dear life. Hissing like an angry alley cat at anyone who would put a hand near to threaten their holy grail.

Ergo to rule out these implications and *free* themselves of the shackles of an imposed morality/consequence (sounds rather Nietzscheian) they look to snuff out any trace of that differing to pure methodological naturalism...

The final irony here is that evolution was born out of victrian era philosophy and wormed it’s way into science only to become the cuckoo who stole the nest, mimicked science and attempts to kill real scientific advancement.

Comment by lucID — July 13, 2006 @ 2:56 am

Alley cats with holy grails and worms morphing into cuckoos.  Welcome to ID Land.

Date: 2006/07/13 11:36:47, Link 71.131.234.84
Author: keiths
Quote (wiwaxiathumb @ July 13 2006,16:04)

Is there in evolutionary biology a term or concept fit to distinguish the phylogenetic developmental paths followed by  lineages?

Hi Florian,

Welcome to AtBC.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but doesn't the word "lineage" itself denote the concept you're asking about?  Isn't the path followed by a lineage the same as the lineage itself?  After all, if it had followed a different path, it would no longer be the same lineage.

Date: 2006/07/17 20:19:20, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Dembski just wiped out the entire Libidinous Genius thread, restarting it with this comment:
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Here’s your second chance to make this thread productive. Stay on topic. Janiebelle has been booted. NEW RULE AT UD: No more bold insertions into existing comments. I’ve done it as has DaveScot. That’s now a thing of the past. One-comment-one-poster is now the rule.

I think the thing that really pissed him off was seeing DaveTard dump on Denyse O'Leary, whom Dembski has described as a  compadre.

That's it, Dembski.  I've tolerated you on my blog long enough.  Go in peace, but go. -dt

Date: 2006/07/17 21:23:18, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Dave "I'm an agnostic" Tard further undermines his credibility (if such a thing is possible).

Date: 2006/07/17 22:48:41, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Davey was wounded by Dembski's slap:
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I only have time to go through the comments in the administrative windows which list them in order received on the whole site. I can respond in that window quickly by appending at the bottom of the comment. If I have to drop out of that window to do it another way it will take too much time.

Commenting is what I like doing here. Moderating is a pain that I can do without. If appending my comments directly onto others is too much to ask in return for all the time spent moderating then I’m going to quit moderating. Someone else can do it and I’ll just be a regular user once more.

Comment by DaveScot — July 18, 2006 @ 2:10 am

Someone should explain to self-styled "computer whiz kid" DaveTard that he could open up a second window for posting comments without disturbing the administrative windows.  Switching between them would only take a couple of keystrokes.

I hope he does quit.  UD will be a lot more interesting when intelligent dissenters aren't banned on a whim.  Besides, he'll still be commenting, and Davey's entertainment value comes 90% from his inane comments, and only about 10% from his doofy moderating.

I know that most of the other contributors will be happy to show him the door.

Date: 2006/07/20 07:46:42, Link 71.131.227.176
Author: keiths
Hi Wiwaxia,

My two cents' worth below.
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It ain't replicating...

I think that's a decisive difference.  The minimal "ingredients" of a Darwinian process are replication, variation, and selection.  The apparent "selfishness" of the gene arises out of an interaction of these ingredients.
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...but it is persisting through the organism's death, which the gene does not directly.

The physical gene doesn't survive the organism's death, but it's not the physical gene that Dawkins was concerned with, but rather the information encoded therein.

Also, a carbon atom doesn't "care" whether or not it becomes part of a living organism.  Any accommodation by the organism to the physical properties of carbon benefits only the organism, not the carbon atom.

Date: 2006/07/24 06:01:40, Link 71.131.246.76
Author: keiths
Some unintended humor from Barry Arrogant:
 
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Professional objectivity is as important as it is difficult to maintain, because sometimes the best advice a lawyer can give his client is "give up you are going to lose."

Particularly when the lawyer is Barry.

Date: 2006/07/24 17:17:30, Link 71.131.215.4
Author: keiths
DaveTard announces his goals for UD in a post dated January 8, 2006:
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The topic and purpose of this weblog is to instruct and promote the intelligent design work of Bill Dembski in particular and the ID movement in general. We are trying to convince that world that ID is based on math, science, and logic. While the implications tend to attract religious devotees in large number ID is not about religion.

What do you think, folks?  Did he succeed?  Just asking (as Barry Arrogant would say).

Six short months later, the goalposts have shifted just a tad:
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My goal has always been to entertain. I'd rather put a smile on your face than a thought in your head... I even told all the other blog authors at UD my strategy was going to be a page from Howard Stern's success story - whether from love or hate people will keep coming back to hear the next outrageous thing you're going to say.

DaveScot, July 19, 2006 4:43 AM

Still, I miss the ol' re-Tard.

Date: 2006/07/26 09:35:34, Link 71.131.242.83
Author: keiths
Quote (Steverino @ July 26 2006,12:46)
From Dense O'Leary:

"Darwin’s corrosive principles laid the foundation for the murder of more than 125 million people in the 20th century. About three times more than the 38 million killed in all the wars of the 20th century!"

Actually, that comment is not from Denyse, but from someone called "DLH".  Denyse's comment is the next one in the thread.

Date: 2006/07/31 00:56:14, Link 71.131.181.183
Author: keiths
I thought y'all would enjoy this amusing exchange between Salvador Cordova and MikeGene at Telic Thoughts:

Salvador wrote:
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As long as they feel there is hope for ID being true, they are comforted knowing life probably isn't pointless afterall.

MikeGene gently rebukes him:
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Sal,

I’m not trying to be a wet blanket here, but then we have a set-up for confirmation bias. IMHO, those who want to research ID ultimately have to get to the point where they largely give up the “hope” and rid ID of some burden of validating one’s religious perspective.

Salvador responds:
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I appreciate your concern Mike. However, as usual, I am a very transparent person, and what motivates me and those like me, whether for good or naught, is there for all to see.

Perhaps that is why I will not be a good ID researcher. That is why Michael Denton, Frank Tipler, Rober Jastrow, even yourself and Michael Behe I would trust to be more objective than I.

That's not to say I wouldn't be competent from the standpoint of mental ability, but my biases would probably force me to recuse myself in findings dealing with more controversial areas.

I'm probably far more suited for things where the experimental and empirical findings are the final judge of theories, such as physical experiments or engineering applications. Where we must resort to inferences rather than direct observations, we are far more vulnerable to make mistakes.

Where I am now is that as an engineer, at this stage in my life, it would take a far greater act of faith for me personally to think life is all an accident. Those who help settle the issue are perhaps a generation away.

One thing I will say however, I do not think most of the prevailing theories in evolutionary biology are up to the level of other scientific theories, like say, electro-dynamics. I feel comfortable in those conclusions. And I do think Behe is closer to the truth than Ken Miller.


Interesting.  So Salvador admits that he is incapable of being objective about ID, but apparently his subjectivity doesn't disqualify him from commenting ad nauseam on every ID-related blog on the planet.

Date: 2006/08/02 04:50:45, Link 71.131.181.183
Author: keiths
An interesting exchange between Barrett1 and Dembski on the "troll of the month" thread:
 
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I think this whole notion of the university as a cult of Darwinist worshippers is completely overblown and damaging to the ID movement. It’s often a convenient excuse for poor scholarship and casts us as victims of “the man.” Like Godel, our theory needs to be laid out as nearly indisputable to topple the reigning paradigm. And yes, that means being held to a higher standard than the Darwinists. It’s like boxing and all of life for that matter. Frankly, I like Davison’s approach. He doesn’t complain about the man keeping him down or worse, spend time complaining about holes in the Darwin theory. At least he’s laid out an alternative and he’s no victim.

Comment by Barrett1 — August 2, 2006 @ 8:34 am

 
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Barrett1: What have you experienced at the hands of scientific materialists? Are you aware of the Sternberg case? The pressures directed against frontline ID proponents are real. From your armchair, it is easy enough to say that we need simply to get to work. But families and livelihoods really are under threat by these Darwinian fascists, and when our days are spent trying to shore up the latter, the former does not get done.

Comment by William Dembski — August 2, 2006 @ 8:43 am


EDIT: Sorry, incorygible -- you were ahead of me by only two minutes so I didn't see your post.

Date: 2006/08/03 01:00:55, Link 71.131.181.183
Author: keiths
Quote (Alan Fox @ Aug. 03 2006,05:29)
   
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 02 2006,17:59)
It looks like DaveScot may finally have a new home.

Addict!!!

Yeah, I used to think that stevestory would take it the hardest when DaveScot went to the Great Blog in the Sky, but now Arden is the one jonesing for a D-Tard fix.  And look at how much his avatar has aged recently...

Date: 2006/08/03 21:56:16, Link 71.131.182.161
Author: keiths
Here's crandaddy in response to a Dembski post praising Michael Shermer as a "mensch":
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I’m inclined to agree. Decent ID opponents are out there (Michael Ruse seems to be another). It’s refreshing to know that there are reasonable people out there who have the brainpower to understand that it’s possible to disagree without being an obnoxious, feces-flinging gremlin.

Comment by crandaddy — August 4, 2006 @ 2:09 am

And here's crandaddy, 13 hours earlier:

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Don’t lose too much sleep over it, Joel. You’ll find that many of our opponents are blood-sucking parasites who will cling for dear life to the smallest details and suck everything they can out of them. The positions they take are so hopelssly indefensible that this is the only way to maintain an image of superiority. It’s a classic case of bullying: Abuse and ridicule the opposition to mask your own deficiencies. Quite pathetic, actually.

Comment by crandaddy — August 3, 2006 @ 1:10 pm

Date: 2006/08/04 20:19:44, Link 71.131.182.161
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 04 2006,14:38)
btw, to whoever's playing "JanieBelle" and "Kate". My email address is SteveStory@gmail.com.  All I ask is that you let me in on the joke. I won't spill the beans, I won't give any signal that I know who you are, in fact I'll continue to complain that I don't know. But I'm really curious.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think Steve's a little too earnest in his search for the truth about UDOJ?  I think he is JanieBelle, and that he's trying to throw us off the scent by playing the diligent detective.

Banning himself from UDOJ was a nice touch.

Date: 2006/08/06 02:13:11, Link 71.131.182.161
Author: keiths
Quote (k.e @ Aug. 06 2006,01:45)
Steve S said:
Yeah AND she is a 17 going on 35 lesbian who finds DT, evo/devo and AtBC interesting.

The vote, if true, for (girlyman) Dave 'Bunny' T himself since his ego wouldn't allow him to be suckered in like that may be the most obvious answer.

Whoever it is, must be chortling 'I kill me sometimes'.

I'll admit that the idea of DaveTard conversing with his own sockpuppets is amusing.  The only problem is that JB and Kate are consistently smarter than Dave.  He simply doesn't have the brainpower to pull it off.

By the way, Richard, is that a Semper Fi hat in the photo you posted?  I'm starting to put two and two together... 

Date: 2006/08/07 10:45:05, Link 71.131.238.47
Author: keiths
Sal just posted this over on Telic Thoughts:
 
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Salvador Cordova will be on International TV next week along with Caroline Crocker, Edward Sisson, and IDEA GMU president Christine Chenette. See Coral Ridge Hour. (Disclaimer: I was intereviewed by their reporters, anything else said during that show is Coral Ridge's business).

International TV!  That's like, way better than national TV, isn't it?

Tune in.  Could be good for some laughs.

Date: 2006/08/08 22:50:50, Link 71.131.188.231
Author: keiths
I'm finding Salvador Cordova's delusions of grandeur incredibly entertaining.  Besides incessantly flogging his upcoming "international TV" appearance on D. James Kennedy's ultra-fundy Coral Ridge Hour, he is also:

1. Linking to his own comments on other threads, using bombastic titles.  For example, in this thread, he links to a comment he made on the Cornell ID class website, using the title "Salvador cuts Nick Matzke off at the pass".

Ride 'em, Sal!

2. Describing his legendary (in his own mind) exchanges on the Internet:
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In a classic, grueling internet debate from June 30, 2004 to August 28, 2004, Dr. Richard B. Hoppe (RBH of PT) and I argued at ARN over Adami’s work. I had never touched Avida in my life prior to this debate. The only reason I knew I would win the debate was the assurance that Avida’s fantastic claims could not possibly be right based on information science alone.

In contrast, Hoppe was an Avida expert of several years, and a master rhetorician. He nearly delivered a knockout in the early weeks of the debate before I was able to recover and eventually gain the upper hand. (Hoppe has truly been one of my most worthy counterparts in the ongoing jousts between the UDers and Pandas. He and PvM will be happy to know they had a lot to do with getting me involved in ID.  )

How generous of you to acknowledge that Hoppe is a "worthy counterpart", Sal.  Future historians analyzing Huxley v. Wilberforce and Cordova v. Hoppe will note that not only were you brilliant, but magnanimous in victory as well!

3. Getting out the message that it's cool to be an IDer:
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I also wanted the crowd to have imprinted in their subconscious minds that IDers are charming guys like James Bond and Brad Pitt.

But Sal, we already knew IDers were cool guys like Dembski and Granville Sewell.

Date: 2006/08/08 22:55:53, Link 71.131.188.231
Author: keiths
And humble, too:
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I’m having 1/3 of chapter written about in in Lauren Sandler’s book this fall, and I and Christine will be on international TV this coming sunday. I’m just an ordinary Joe expressing my skepticism and sharing personal thoughts! I claim no special insights or research breakthroughs! But Barb unwittingly has helped promote our clubs even more than I!

Date: 2006/08/13 05:46:11, Link 71.131.225.2
Author: keiths
Salvador's "international TV" appearance is now available for viewing.

He must be crushed -- after hyping his appearance all over the blogosphere, he ended up with less than a minute of screen time.

The interesting part of the segment is when they show Caroline Crocker lying for Jesus.  She states, "I did one lecture where I gave them the evidence for and against evolution, just the scientific evidence.  I was so careful when I wrote that lecture not to be partial in any way."

Then they start flashing slides from her lecture on the screen.  I paused the video to get a look.  The first slide shows a picture of a monkey with a banana, a picture of a slovenly man in his underwear, and an arrow with a question mark over it connecting the monkey to the man.  In her second slide she manages to mention that Darwin "failed at medical school (could not dissect)" and "was a rich kid who enjoyed partying, drinking, and gambling".  Her third slide mentions Archaeopteryx and Eohippus as "Presumed Transitional Forms", stating that "Archaeopteryx has been questioned as a fraud" and that "Eohippus is same as modern-day hyrax", apparently confusing the genus Hyracotherium, to which Eohippus belongs, with the family Hyracoidea, which contains the hyrax.  Judge for yourselves -- same or different?

Hyrax
Eohippus

Her fourth slide, titled "Scientists are Confused", says that "scientists have differing opinions on this issue; intelligent design is gaining ground".  She then quote-mines Gould and Eldredge before finishing with a quote of Wernher von Braun (whom she specifically cites as a "rocket scientist") saying "It is unscientific to teach evolution only."

Utterly shameful that the Darwinian fascists would have a problem with such a fair-minded, impartial defender of the truth as Caroline.

Date: 2006/08/13 05:58:11, Link 71.131.225.2
Author: keiths
Look who's gone groveling back to UD to lick his master's feet:
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DaveScot!

Welcome back. I missed you.

Comment by BarryA — August 13, 2006 @ 9:20 am

Let the synergistic tarditude begin!

Date: 2006/08/13 08:24:17, Link 71.131.225.2
Author: keiths
Where's stevestory?

I arranged DaveScot's return to UD just to commemmorate Steve's achievement in surpassing the 2000-post milestone at AtBC.

Well done, sir, and please enjoy your prize.

Date: 2006/08/13 09:26:17, Link 71.131.225.2
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 13 2006,13:47)
This guy's supposed to be a lawyer, and he has no idea how to work a possessive apostrophe?

At least he avoids the abominable "Jone's", which I've seen several times at UD.

Date: 2006/08/13 18:37:54, Link 71.131.245.19
Author: keiths
Salvador shares his pain:
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The 90 minutes of my interview which was edited out of the news story have been things I’ve written about over the last few months regarding IDEA and the plight of pro-ID college students.

Filed under: Intelligent Design — scordova @ 10:32 pm

Ouch.

Date: 2006/08/18 18:00:11, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Major Tard and Sgt. Tard kiss and make up:
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DaveScot: Glad to see you again. You’ve done inestimable service for this blog, and your insights have been missed. I’ve upgraded the account under which you posted this comment to “Author” — same as Sal. I want to see you posting here again.

The functionality of this blog is going to be upgraded in coming weeks, including a bulletin board (this should enable Sal to do efficiently what he’s trying to do here with, as he put it, “inelegant cut and paste”).

Comment by William Dembski — August 18, 2006 @ 8:41 pm

Awwww, aren't they cute?

The good news is that this should elicit more Tardtainment from the Sergeant.  The bad news is that his finger will be back on the banninator button (at least on his own threads).

And you're the first one outta here! -dt

Date: 2006/08/21 02:14:07, Link 71.131.182.142
Author: keiths
Earth to Salvador... Come in, Salvador...
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I may not live to see the day when ID’s greatest contribution to society will be the medical and technological advances it brings and the defeat of Darwinism will be only one of IDs anecdotal accomplishments. Recall what happened to epicycles and phlogiston theory? These mistaken theories barely enter the awareness of modern man in light of the theories which supplanted them (namely celestial mechanics and atomic chemistry.) It is for this reason that the theology-free science of ID must ascend within creationist circles, and for that matter all circles, not so much to defeat Darwinism (as Darwinism is already doing a good job of self-destructing), but rather to ultimately advance science and technology.

Date: 2006/08/21 09:09:25, Link 71.131.207.112
Author: keiths
Quote (blipey @ Aug. 21 2006,11:11)
Maybe someone can tell me how this relates to ToE?  Or why South Africans don't cotton to that particular theory?

Dembski is comfortable with common descent up to a point:
 
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I am often called an anti-evolutionist, but I could be comfortable with common descent that can be squared with the Christian tradition.

"Squared with the Christian tradition" means that humans were either separately created, or are at least very, very special in their intellectual and moral qualities (i.e. created in the image of God).

So to Dembski, any news that animals are stupid is good news for humanity's specialness.

Kind of pathetic that he goes around looking for ways of feeling superior to dolphins.

Regarding South Africans and the ToE, maybe it has something to do with the Coriolis force.

Date: 2006/08/22 10:32:41, Link 71.131.213.82
Author: keiths
Allen MacNeill vents his disgust at UD, and Salvador "explains" why UD is an intellectual wasteland:
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And the previous seven entries all illustrate why it is absolutely useless to expect to have any kind of rational discussion at this website.

Comment by Allen_MacNeill — August 22, 2006 @ 12:42 pm

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Thank you, Allen, for showing us the error of our ways. Perhaps you would deign to lead us from this, our dark pit of ignorance and despair, into the bright peaks of knowledge and relevance, through further prognostications on your part. After all, to kvetch is plebeian and to lead is noble. I’m sure your venerable fencing master must have taught something similar to that.

Comment by DaveScot — August 22, 2006 @ 1:43 pm

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Allen,

What DaveScot posted was not directed at you nor your very fine student, Elena. I had Pim’s name on it, and like Yankee Roger Clemens pitching in Fenway Park, one can expect a certain reaction when Pim’s name is mentioned here.

This is a weblog that is basically a variety show. There will be serious and then not so serious modes of discussion. So I encourage you to look for threads of interest to you, and simply change channels when a discussion is no longer appealing. I would hope you don’t leave the website entirely…..

I have tried to give you my take on the issue of Elena’s paper: here. I wrote a long response to you comment which I think may help your research.

I hope however, you realize there are times these threads between UD and PandasThumb are like the fan clubs of two opposing teams: like the Yankees versus the Red Sox, where the gang isn’t really in the mode of academic discussion, but following light-hearted comaraderie and tribal mentality….

I point that out to say, each thread will appeal to some more than others….

Salvador
PS
I personally am a Baltimore Orioles fan.

Comment by scordova — August 22, 2006 @ 1:52 pm

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1486

Date: 2006/08/22 18:45:48, Link 71.131.249.200
Author: keiths
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2006,20:29)
Davetard is getting reamed here:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1485#comments

I suspect the thread will be closed and burried soon. He's banging on about 'brute force' [which is anything but GAs] and someone has pointed out that the statespace is to big for brute force [in this case nested loop itterations] to deal with. Poor Dave! Our polytard has been caught not knowing what he's banging on about again. Maybe this is an 'expertise bluff'?

Tom English is exactly the kind of opponent DaveTard fears the most.  He's:

1) Much smarter than Dave;
2) Has his impulses under control, unlike Dave;
3) Systematically dismantles Dave's arguments and backs up his assertions with evidence; and
4) Doesn't take Dave's bait.

In a confrontation with someone like Tom, Dave comes off very badly. The longer the exchange goes on, the more obvious it becomes that Dave doesn't know what he's talking about.  On the other hand, arbitrarily banning his opponent makes him look like an intellectual coward.  He generally hangs in until the humiliation of looking stupid outweighs the humiliation of running away like a little girl.  He then declares his opponent "boring" and bans him or her.

Dembski works in much the same way, although he tends to involve himself in fewer confrontations, preferring to let others do the dirty work for him.  He also plays it safe, posting things without committing to a position on them.

I take heart in the fact that any fence-sitters who stumble onto UD looking for a serious discussion of ID instead get to see these two wimps running away from their opponents in embarrassing disarray.

Date: 2006/08/24 00:25:53, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
What the fork???
Quote
Before Darwin, racial prejudice and eugenic practices existed but were just good ‘ol fashioned bigotry, hatred and murder and can be pretty much seen as just that (the above reference to Martin Luther included).

What Darwin and ilk did do was to develope theoretical system justifying it and promoting it implementation by paving the highway for mass slaughter in the philosphical(as opposed to the by-ways and side tracks in history to which is was always limited to). Furthermore Darwinism is a univeral trend which carried to it’s logical conclusion, ultimately provides the way to a irrational society (where Dawkins claims to get his sense of rational from beats me) where there is no absolute morality (only set by the ruler of the day) and so we either close down all the butcher shops and become vegans or it’s a $2.5-per pound of fresh little girl sirloin and $3.50 for beef.

Comment by lucID — August 24, 2006 @ 3:59 am

Uh, lucID -- Who's missing that  "sense of rational" again?

Date: 2006/08/24 18:24:35, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 24 2006,16:55)

perhaps there is some fear there, but it certainly isn't based on any lack of confidence in his own abilities, based on his posts.

What IS DT afraid of?


Dave wants to project confidence, but inside he is a timid and insecure.

If he were confident in his abilities, he wouldn't feel the need to ban every opponent who puts up a fight.  He'd seize the opportunity to show his superior intelligence by trouncing the interloper instead of banning him or her.    

Dave absolutely craves respect.  The constant bragging (about Dell, his "yacht", his IQ, his technical skills) is an attempt to gain admiration from his blog audience (hence his anger at having his posturing "spoiled" when someone outthinks him).

The best recent example of this was on the GilDodgen checkers thread.  Gil declared himself "one of the world's leading authorities" on computer checkers.  Dave couldn't stand to be ignored while Gil was basking in glory, so he submitted this pathetic "me too" post:

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I wrote a cribbage AI 20 years ago that people swore cheated. It’s still on the internet available for download at cardandboardgames.com It doesn’t cheat. I simply wrote an expert system that made the same decisions that I would make in any given situation. That alone made it a good competitor. I then improved on mother nature by leveraging what a computer is good at - calculating odds precisely and quickly. As each card was exposed I calculated the odds of where remaining cards would be. This would not be possible for a human unless some kind of savant like Rainman but it’s certainly not cheating. Think of it like card counting at blackjack in vegas only more complicated. I didn’t take any card into consideration until it had been legally exposed during normal gameplay. This made the program virtually invicible after playing it enough times for luck to average out so skill level can become evident. I could still whip the snot out of it but that’s because I knew exactly what it was thinking and that’s enough of an advantage to nullify the card counting.


A more confident man would have been secure enough to let Gil have his moment without demanding a share of the spotlight.

Date: 2006/08/24 22:05:16, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 25 2006,00:19)
all the more reason DT should want to buy UD from WD, though, yes?

Yes, and WAD ought to be willing to part with it, given that it's only his "playground":
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Tiggy: If you want my technical work, go to www.designinference.com. As I indicated a long time ago, this blog is my playground. When I have a moment, I’ll be booting all three of you.

Comment by William Dembski — August 22, 2006 @ 8:51 pm

On the other hand, without Uncommonly Dense, where would Dembski:

1. Stage his "street theatre" performances?
2. Buttress his Napoleonic fantasies via arbitrary bannination?
3. Smear evil Darwinists like Padian and Pianka?
4. Acquire bootlickers like Salvador?
5. Showcase his statistical skills?

Plus, UD is probably the first playground in Dembski's life where he sometimes manages to avoid being beaten up by the other kids.

Date: 2006/08/24 22:10:20, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 25 2006,01:17)
Dave the polymath

This part may hit a little too close to home for Sgt. Tard:
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Also, there is a term in military slang, "Walt", which is an abbreviation of Walter Mitty, which refers to someone who has aspirations to become a soldier, but none of the necessary personal qualities.

Date: 2006/08/25 01:40:18, Link 71.131.249.200
Author: keiths
Joseph vies with lucID for the Best Supporting Tard nomination:
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Is the individual, rather than the population, the instrument of evolutionary change?

This is an interesting question because many, if not all, ‘Darwinists’ say that populations evolve, yet freely admit that the mutations occur in individuals and natural selection acts on each individual. NS being the result of differences in survival & reproduction among individuals of a population that vary in one or more heritable traits- page 11 “Biology: Concepts and Applications” Starr 5th edition.

So if each individual can be considered a population (within a population) then it is populations that drive evolution.

Comment by Joseph — August 24, 2006 @ 9:31 pm

Date: 2006/08/26 04:25:49, Link 71.131.249.200
Author: keiths
Not a peep from Denyse since August 20th.

Date: 2006/08/28 10:05:13, Link 71.131.249.200
Author: keiths
Quote
I would now welcome commentary on the emergence of new species. Are the speciation events above the species or genus level today?

Salvador

Comment by scordova — August 28, 2006 @ 1:38 pm

What the fork does Salvador think a "genus level" speciation event looks like?

Date: 2006/08/28 15:24:34, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (2ndclass @ Aug. 28 2006,18:55)
After all of these months on Dembski's blog, Dave still doesn't realize that design inferences are eliminative, not comparative.  Dave, it's obvious that you haven't actually read Dembski's work, although you do read this thread.  How about if you tell us which of Dembski's works you've read?

Sgt. Tard is actually proud of the fact that he hasn't read Dembski's books:  
 
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SaRtre - I independently arrived at most of Dembski’s conclusions without reading his work. You know the expression “great minds think alike”? Since you have no way of knowing let me assure you now that the expression is true.

Comment by DaveScot — August 13, 2005 @ 9:41 am

You see, Dave and Dembski reached the same conclusions, even though Dave doesn't know what Dembski's conclusions are (beyond "some stuff was designed").  Therefore Dave is a genius.

Bonus tard quote from the same thread:
 
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Sartre

Biologists have no training in engineering. How can they recognize design?

You aren’t going to win this argument. I’m an autodidact. My knowledge of biology is extensive as is my knowledge of computers and machinery of all kinds.

Comment by DaveScot — August 13, 2005 @ 7:56 pm

Date: 2006/08/29 19:16:04, Link 71.131.249.200
Author: keiths
What ever happened to the series of articles that Tardus Maximus promised us on the relevance of nanotechnology to ID?  We're being deprived of our rightful tardtainment!

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January 6, 2006
Engines of Creation Series (#1)
I’ve decided to write a series of articles touching upon ID-relevant portions of the seminal book describing the nanotechnology revolution “Engines of Creation” by K. Eric Drexler. The book was originally published in hardcover in 1986 and purchased/read by me that year...Please give EOC chapter 14 a quick read during the next week before I get around to the next article in this series.

Filed under: Education, Intelligent Design, Comp. Sci. / Eng., Science — DaveScot @ 10:42 am

Date: 2006/08/31 19:03:11, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 31 2006,18:39)
so, it seems that the general agreement is that alcohol is required to deaden the nerves before one can successfully navigate a complete thread on UD?

would that be the consesus opinion?

I like my tard straight up.  Like argy says, the key is having no faith in the reasonableness of humanity.  If you think that people should be intelligent, observant, and reasonable, then facing UD sans alcohol is distressing and depressing.  If, on the other hand, you have a healthy, cynical attitude about humans, then you can simply savor the tard as one more fascinating freak of nature, like a two-headed kitten or a rain of frogs.

The other nice thing about UD is that it makes you appreciate the non-tards in your life.  For example, I work at a small company with thirteen smart, friendly, and reasonable people.  We've been careful to hire non-tards and the effort has really paid off.  We enjoy working together, everyone carries his weight, and a lot gets done.  I shudder to think of the damage an employee like DaveTard could do to a company like ours.

Date: 2006/08/31 22:09:48, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote
David Heddle wrote: “Since there was a time when there was no life, and there is now life, abiogenesis happened.”

How do you know there was a time when there was no life in the universe? That sounds like a baseless assumption to me but feel to lay out your evidence. Without exception we have never observed life coming from non-life. Biogenesis has been observed billions of of times. Therefore it requires extraordinary evidence to claim that the rule of biogenesis can be broken.

Comment by DaveScot — September 1, 2006 @ 1:21 am

Does TardBoy really think that life existed before atoms formed, 300,000 years after the Big Bang?  And that this doesn't require extraordinary evidence? 

Or is he also a Big Bang skeptic?  Wouldn't surprise me.

I'm skeptical of your continued presence on this blog, homo. Nature doesn't have the guts to violate my law of biogenesis.  I'm 5'10', 220#, dumb as an ox, and carry concealed. --dt

Date: 2006/09/03 21:49:31, Link 71.131.184.45
Author: keiths
Time has a new article on the talented Ms. Harris:

Katherine Harris' Comedy of Errors

Date: 2006/09/06 08:50:45, Link 71.131.195.192
Author: keiths
Quote
I wouldn’t give you a plugged nickel for all the music and art in the world.

Comment by DaveScot — September 6, 2006 @ 7:57 am

Date: 2006/09/07 14:37:54, Link 71.131.195.192
Author: keiths
Le Tard reveals more of his impoverished inner life:
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Music doesn’t give me feeling you describe, nor art, but sometimes natural beauty and inner reflection will cause that response. It’s not at all the same pleasure response evoked by food, a bit like sex, and very similar to scalp tingling caused by amphetamines.

Comment by DaveScot — September 7, 2006 @ 4:48 am

Date: 2006/09/08 07:15:51, Link 71.131.195.192
Author: keiths
Davey grovels at the feet of WAD and DOL:
 
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Bill, Denyse, and I all agree that we want a G-rated blog suitable for all audiences. No exceptions.

I realize that I am guilty of breaking these rules in the past, especially in regard to respecting the beliefs of others, and for that I offer my humble apology. It was wrong of me.

Comment by DaveScot — September 8, 2006 @ 10:58 am

Who knew how desperate Dave was to get back into the UD fold?

Date: 2006/09/08 11:23:21, Link 71.131.228.55
Author: keiths
I disagree with johnnyb on a lot of things, but I have to say the following in his defense:

1. He's polite and respectful of his opponents, and unlike Sal, he's genuine about it.

2. He doesn't quote-mine.

3. He actually reads the biological literature.

4. You can have a rational discussion with him.

Date: 2006/09/08 11:27:32, Link 71.131.228.55
Author: keiths
LouFCD spills the UDOJ beans:

http://udoj.blogspot.com/2006/09/all-good-things.html#full

Date: 2006/09/08 11:33:37, Link 71.131.228.55
Author: keiths
Any bets on how Le Tard will attempt to spin his suckerdom?

Date: 2006/09/08 21:33:12, Link 71.131.228.55
Author: keiths
Quote (dochocson @ Sep. 08 2006,22:41)
I must say, no matter how bad my day at work was, I know I can get some laughs over at UD.

It's like an All You Can Eat Buffet of Stupid.


Binge and purge...

Date: 2006/09/09 08:33:27, Link 71.131.228.55
Author: keiths
Astute reader Joseph manages to embarrass himself twice with his earnest responses to a couple of parody posts from www.thebrites.org.

From the first post:
 
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The BRITES is working through legal channels to have statues of Darwin installed in United States court houses to replace the recently outlawed ten commandments.

 
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I guess that shatters the myth that Darwin is irrelevant. And anti-IDists wonder why people refer to it as “Darwinism”.

However this is ironic. If “Darwinism” is right then nature is the only “court house” required.

Comment by Joseph — September 9, 2006 @ 11:18 am

 
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Don’t take parody seriously, Joseph.

Comment by Strangelove — September 9, 2006 @ 11:49 am


And from the second post:
 
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Intelligent design creationist Jonathan Wells, who poses as a biologist and scholar with Ph.D.s from Berkeley and Yale, has just published a dangerous book attacking modern science - and indeed, the whole of Western civilization.

With The BRITES’s enthusiastic support, The NCSE and Panda’s Thumb have dedicated themselves to destroying the dangerous Jonathan Wells. The only good practitioner of ID is a destroyed practitioner of ID.

 
Quote
Message to the BRITES:

It is a long fall from your imagined high horse.

On another note why don’t they just dedicate themselves to substantiating their claims? That is the way to destroy ID.

Comment by Joseph — September 9, 2006 @ 11:25 am

 
Quote
Why bother responding to a parody web site at all?

Comment by Carlos — September 9, 2006 @ 11:46 am

 
Quote
I wonder how many letters to the editor people have tried to send in to TheOnion.com too.

Comment by Strangelove — September 9, 2006 @ 11:51 am

How fitting, then, that Joseph's own blog is an unintentional self-parody entitled Intelligent Reasoning.

Date: 2006/09/11 04:04:50, Link 71.131.210.124
Author: keiths
A typical weekend in the whirlwind romance of JAD and Le Tard, taken from the thread entitled "John Davison, Are You Listening?":
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I’m listening but I won’t participate until my several papers are restored to the side board. I hope Uncmmon Descent can understand my position.

Comment by John A. Davison — September 8, 2006 @ 9:17 am

Quote
In regard to Dr. Davison’s papers on the sideboard, if someone else wants to gather them together and reformat for html...I’ll put them back on the sideboard...

Before I do this I need a promise from Doctor Davison that he’ll remain civil with everyone here including me, he’ll respect the beliefs of even the most profoundly religious members here, he’ll strictly avoid writing anything obscene or suggestive of something obscene (sex, bodily fluids, etcetera), and will otherwise not use language inappropriate for young ears. Bill, Denyse, and I all agree that we want a G-rated blog suitable for all audiences. No exceptions.

I realize that I am guilty of breaking these rules in the past, especially in regard to respecting the beliefs of others, and for that I offer my humble apology. It was wrong of me.

Comment by DaveScot — September 8, 2006 @ 10:58 am

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I will promise nothing to David Sprnger or anyone else [remainder deleted, presumably by Sgt. Tard].

Comment by John A. Davison — September 8, 2006 @ 12:03 pm

Quote
Have it your way, John. Your papers will not be restored and you\’re back to having all your comments requiring approval by an editor before seeing the light of day.

Comment by DaveScot — September 8, 2006 @ 12:36 pm

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I am not only listening, I am trying to respond to those who question my Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis. I guess Uncommon Descent doesn’t need any help from the author of the PEH and the subject of this thread.

Comment by John A. Davison — September 9, 2006 @ 5:05 pm

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Sorry about that, John. Your comments were stuck in moderation.

Comment by Patrick — September 9, 2006 @ 8:34 pm

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That’s fine. Just don’t let it happen again. What of course is unknown is what would have been done had I not complained both here and elsewhere, notably at “brainstorms.” And where is my other comment or is it comments. I can’t remember? They were far more significant than these. I am old you know and my short term memory is not what it used to be. What I do remenber is something my mother once told me. John, she said, it is only the squeeky wheel that gets the grease. Apparently this is an example of my mothers wisdom. Thank you mom!

Oh I remember now. It was the one where I accused the Darwinians of being so weak minded as to believe that population genetics ever had anything whatsoever to do with creative evolution. See if you can’t cough that one up. As I recall it was one of my better efforts.

If I can’t be treated as a peer here at Uncommon Descent I would prefer that you deny me the opportunity to submit messages. I don’t care to be treated as a second class citizen anywhere, anytime or anyplace and I am likely to make that widely known whenever and wherever it occurs, as I just did.

Comment by John A. Davison — September 9, 2006 @ 9:51 pm

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Okay, much as I hate to ever have to say this, I now give my solemn promise in advance that will never make any lewd or vulgar remarks here at Uncommon Descent and humbly beg the blogczar to be granted the same priveleges as other contributors have here. If this is not sufficient, please have the common decency to outright ban me from wasting my time posting messages that may never appear.

Maybe you could do what they did over at Panda’s Thumb. No matter where I said it, it immediately appeared on “The Bathroom Wall.” Or perhaps you could do what they did at EvC where it was “Boot Camp.” Heck, I will take whatever I can get. It is a cruel world out there don’t you know. But seriously, it is no fun for a published scientist to be treated as a second class citizen anywhere. I am sure you can understand.

“I get no respect.”
Rodney Dangerfield

“A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.”
John A. Davison

Comment by John A. Davison — September 9, 2006 @ 10:40 pm

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If I promise to continue to be good boy (79 next June), do you suppose my papers might be restored? If they were it would make it much easier to respond to many of the questions that I have provoked. The answers would be a touch of the mouse away don’t you know. I just realized that I have not kept my word when I promised that I would not participate until they were. I guess my word isn’t worth a nickel is it? Oh well, that is just old senile John again. He can’t remember anything any more.

I know I am senile because I get the senile citizen’s discount (10%) every Tuesday at Ben Franklins, one of the few virtues of getting old. They used to have it at KMart but it stopped when Martha Stewart went into stir.

“A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.”
John A. davison

Comment by John A. Davison — September 10, 2006 @ 1:55 pm

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John, the self deprecation is unbecoming. Won’t you just please be the professional scientist with the great ideas about organic evolution that we all know you can be when you want to be? The scientist with your name writing on brainstorms, for instance, before I came along to set you off. That’s the guy we’re looking for here. If I beg, will you please be the same here? I’m begging!

Comment by DaveScot — September 10, 2006 @ 5:43 pm

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John, check the sidebar and your email.

Comment by DaveScot — September 10, 2006 @ 7:18 pm

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DaveScot

I am behaving and you known it. It is very true as you just admitted that you “set me off.” You sure have, big time and many times. That is a matter of record. I recommend that should be put in the past. What says DaveScot?

Comment by John A. Davison — September 11, 2006 @ 3:30 am

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Doctor Davison

It’s all water under the bridge. Let’s focus on our common belief that chance never had anything significant to do with organic evolution.

Comment by DaveScot — September 11, 2006 @ 4:31 am

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Let’s do just that. Set them up in the other alley. So far I am bowling a perfect game!

Who is next?

I love it so!

“A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.”
John A. davison

Comment by John A. Davison — September 11, 2006 @ 7:03 am

Bravo.  A true pas de deux des tards.

Date: 2006/09/12 21:36:36, Link 71.131.188.101
Author: keiths
An amusing friendly fire incident on UD.  Salvador has a twitchy trigger finger:
 
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BarryA,

Something happened to you comment when I was moderating this thread. WordPress whacked it when I tried to delete some one else\’s comments. I\’m really sorry.

Sal

Comment by scordova — September 13, 2006 @ 12:46 am

It's hard to tell one comment from another when you're deleting so many.  At least Barry deserved it, if the post by djmullen above is any indication.

Date: 2006/09/14 11:36:33, Link 71.131.187.121
Author: keiths
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 14 2006,10:32)
If you force my god out of this gap, there are plenty more for me to hide him in...


I like it, Richard.  Sort of a "Hermit God of the Gaps."

Date: 2006/09/14 20:52:13, Link 71.131.187.121
Author: keiths
Jujuquisp,

My suggestion is to join the ACLU and/or AU, or to make another donation if you're already a member.  

I joined both organizations largely because of what I witnessed at UD.

Someone once suggested making a donation to the ACLU in DaveScot's name, making sure that he was notified of the gift.  Sounds like a nice way to do some good and tweak Dave at the same time.

Date: 2006/09/16 14:05:01, Link 71.131.187.121
Author: keiths
Denyse O'Leary:
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...I get the impression that it’s okay at Baylor to yay-hoo for Jesus as long as you make a fool of yourself and no one takes you seriously.

Sounds like a pretty accurate description of  Dembski's time at Baylor, but no, she was actually referring to Baylor's denial of tenure to Francis Beckwith.

Date: 2006/09/16 22:29:41, Link 71.131.183.78
Author: keiths
Quote (Tom Ames @ Sep. 17 2006,01:20)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 15 2006,13:56)
 
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 15 2006,01:52)
I joined both organizations largely because of what I witnessed at UD.

Likewise. I'd been meaning to join ACLU for a while but somehow never got around to it. Finally some neo-fascist anti-ACLU tantrum on Dave's part early last Summer drove me to get off my ass and join. I'm now one of Dave's super-villains, a "card-carrying member".

Same here! The 'tard got me to finally send in my check.

That's at least three of us who joined on account of Le Tard.  I'm beginning to suspect that he was planted at UD by the ACLU.

That UDOJ business?  Two sock puppets baiting a third.

Date: 2006/09/18 16:30:30, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Sep. 18 2006,09:34)
Whatever happened to the www.overwhelmingevidence.com site that Dimbski claimed he was going to develp as a reply to Kitzmiller?   Does anyone else recall him speaking of it on UD?

Perhaps he's misplaced all of that "overwhelming evidence"?

ps: I wonder if he is/was planning to use the sticky bun in the likeness of mother teresa as a part of the evidece for ID?

He's been talking about that site since December.

December 26, 2005:
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Also, watch for www.overwhelmingevidence.com, which I expect will provide a suitable antidote to the Dover trial (stay tuned).

August 10, 2006:
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Dennett, Dawkins et al. are losing not in the court of law but in the court of public opinion, and that’s where I’m focusing my attentions. For instance, I’m starting a website (www.overwhelmingevidence.com — not yet up and running), modeled on myspace and xanga, to bring high school students together to resist neo-Darwinism and promote intelligent design.

September 18, 2006:
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Site being developed.

When he gets the first piece of overwhelming evidence, I'm sure the site will go up.

Date: 2006/09/18 22:32:49, Link 71.131.205.249
Author: keiths
Screw IC, SC, and CSI.  Gil's got the answer:
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What is your objective method of design detection, and can you show us how it works, by example, when applied to a living system?

Machinery. Machines are designed. Living systems are full of them.

Comment by GilDodgen — September 18, 2006 @ 11:49 pm

Date: 2006/09/18 22:39:13, Link 71.131.205.249
Author: keiths
Wes, don't you understand?  To oppose intelligent design is to oppose Jesus.  Of course we need ID-friendly folks on the editorial board!

Date: 2006/09/19 20:28:19, Link 71.131.178.230
Author: keiths
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 20 2006,00:55)
...no, not Arden.  Not to say he isn't a Great Man, but rather that his followers aren't as funny.

Arden is a Great Man.  But even He stands in awe of That Magnificent (Quotemining) Bastard and Inventor of the TardCap™, Richardthughes.

Date: 2006/09/20 12:21:17, Link 71.131.233.161
Author: keiths
Tom English manages both to bash Granville Sewell and to d@mn Salvador Dorkova with faint praise, all in only eight words:
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Salvador gives far better arguments than Sewell does.

I give it a 9.5.

Date: 2006/09/20 12:30:10, Link 71.131.233.161
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 20 2006,14:01)
   
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To a Kiwi the Aussie pronunciation of "fish" sounds like 'feeesh' and to an Aussie the Kiwi "fish" is 'fush'.

I always thought the Kiwi pronunciation of "fish" sounded like 'fesh'.

The first time I flew out of Auckland (I'm a Yank) they came on the public address system to announce that "Chicken was delayed for flight 371 to Sydney".  I figured Kiwis must really be obsessed with their in-flight meals, until I realized that "chicken" was really "check-in".  :p

Date: 2006/09/21 00:00:16, Link 71.131.219.96
Author: keiths
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Seems like Google is turning way to the Religious Left, starting by knocking down sites that attack the church of liberalism right in its core (evolution and homosexual “rights”).

Comment by Mats — September 21, 2006 @ 4:11 am

Date: 2006/09/21 18:00:39, Link 71.131.178.249
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 21 2006,11:35)
Sal, unlike Heddle, is nowhere near smart enough to be suffering from Heddle's amazing level of cognitive dissonance.

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I've personally examined and debunked the nonsense being promoted by Dembski's critics like Elsberry, Perakh, Shallit, Thomas, Lenski, Adami, and others. I plead you reconsider who is closer to the truth in terms of valid deductive methods....
Salvador T. Cordova | 09.21.06 - 5:17 pm
 
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Salvador writes

"The hatred toward Christianity will not be soothed."

Consider this, Sal: David's last three posts here have made this atheist feel LESS antagonistic and more hopeful that Christians and atheists can behave decently and get along in the world and even ork together towards a greater scientific understanding of our universe.

Your comments have the polar opposite effect.

And I can assure you that I am not alone.

Think about it.
Altamont Alan | 09.21.06 - 5:48 pm | #

 
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Oh and doug, you're even a worse representative for Christ than Sal and I didn't think that was possible.
Altamont Alan | 09.21.06 - 5:49 pm

Date: 2006/09/22 10:05:39, Link 71.131.178.249
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2006,13:43)
...so far two sites, WashingtonPost.com and now UD, totally lose their marbles and their text renders in inch-high characters.


Steve, you hellbound heathen, don't you know a message from the Almighty when you see one?  Does it have to be in foot-high characters?

I am the Designer.  Bill Dembski is my prophet.  And the flagellum really is irreducibly complex.

I can't explain about the Post (would have made more sense if it were the Moonie-owned Times).  But God transcends logic.  Who are we puny humans to attempt to understand him?

Date: 2006/09/23 21:41:50, Link 71.131.195.241
Author: keiths
Quote (Altabin @ Sep. 23 2006,09:02)
   
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Scott // Sep 22nd 2006 at 2:55 pm

Carlos: this is a warning: Either produce published, detailed papers to support your claims or do not bother to post here any more. Hand-waving just-so stories will not be tolerated.

to which Carlos replies:
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Carlos // Sep 22nd 2006 at 3:10 pm

Scott,

Ooh! Bold font! Now I’m worried!

Which specific claims would you like to see substantiated?

Carlos mocks him, and little Scott scampers away.  Let's see if he returns to the thread to salvage his manhood.

Date: 2006/09/25 22:47:25, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Salvador Cordova:
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ID is quietly advancing in the mother state of one-fourth of the American Presidents.

Oh.  Well in that case, I guess it must be true.

Date: 2006/09/27 10:15:32, Link 71.131.227.249
Author: keiths
Heddle slams Jonathan Wells at UD:

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I am so anachronistic. I remember those days when we settled scientific debates by actually going into the lab (you know, those places where people where the long white coats and use equipment) and doing science. I know, it does seem rather ridiculous by the methods championed here. Clearly the modern way is to write op-ed pieces or popularized books that declare victory anytime a new record that may be problematic, or at least can be cast as problematic, is added to the experimental database. In days of yore what we used to do (you’ll get a kick out of this) is to see if the current theory can explain the new data and if it could not we would either modify it or, if it was beyond saving, we would jettison it. Is that a gas or what? But I understand that since this takes time and work it is much more efficient just to accumulate short-term political mileage while we can.

Comment by David Heddle — September 27, 2006 @ 2:01 pm

Date: 2006/10/02 23:15:26, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Following Carl Sachs' example, Karl Pfluger mocks Scott's bold-font threat:

Quote (Karl Pfluger @ Oct. 03 2006,01:47)

I wrote:
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Avida has shown that a Darwinian process is capable of producing irreducible complexity.


Scott wrote:
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Nonsensical statements like this will quickly get you unselected from this blog. And the ID proponents who post here, know better than to buy such claptrap.

Consider this a warning.

Scott,

If you have an argument to make, make it. Otherwise, feel free to take your bluster and bold fonts elsewhere.

I am prepared to justify my assertion. Are you able to do the same?

Date: 2006/10/03 18:00:21, Link 71.131.205.206
Author: keiths
Quote (blipey @ Oct. 03 2006,21:26)
Except, of course, when I see him in Austin next spring.  You do remember, Dave, right?  Don't be gone...it'd be really embarrassing to have it get out that you're running away from clowns.

Blipey,

Be sure to bring a video camera with you.  There's likely to be a huge comedic payoff in a face-to-face meeting with Il Tardissimo.

Date: 2006/10/04 06:52:44, Link 71.131.218.22
Author: keiths
Quote (2ndclass @ Oct. 04 2006,10:44)
The funny thing is that even after his backpedaling, he's still wrong.  The difference between transistor-level and gate-level modelling is far more than a quibble.  Gate-level models deal with boolean logic, while transistor-level models deal with actual voltage levels.

Any junior-level engineer knows the difference, which is why it must be particularly painful to Dave to have his ignorance pointed out.  He's already sensitive about not having an engineering degree.  His misunderstanding of science has been pointed out many times.  Now his lack of basic engineering knowledge is being exposed.  No wonder he banned Tom and Karl.

Date: 2006/10/05 16:56:24, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Ogee @ Oct. 05 2006,08:19)
Davetard never ceases to amaze me with his breathtaking cowardice.  To come right out and say "stop disagreeing with me or you're gone". takes a very special kind of 'tard.  

Then again, if I was an insecure, uneducated blowhard moron who had just been badly humiliated on my own blog regarding my supposed area of expertise, I might be touchy, too.

Speaking of touchiness, Davey is desperately trying to salvage his credibility as a hardware designer:
Quote (DaveScot @ Oct. 05 2006,1:41)
It’s nothing short of hilarious that KeithS and others at ATBC that have obviously not done a single bit of gate level hardware design in their lives are talking about how simulations of gate logic intended to verify a design prior to laying copper need only be modeled with boolean logic. The poor ignoramuses know nothing about analog considerations such as supply rail loading, bus loading, propagation delays, and race conditions just to name a few show stoppers that aren’t covered in simple boolean logic.  

In a demonstration of either total cluelessness or dishonesty, in all the commenters there, not a single one has stepped up to correct them. Surely Wesley or someone there knows enough about digital hardware design to tell them there’s a lot more to it than boolean algebra. That’s called a lie of omission. Shame on them.

Davey, those of us who do chip design know all about analog issues.  But we also know that you don't do functional simulation of a microprocessor at the transistor level.  You could have learned this in engineering school if you hadn't dropped out.

You might want to brush up on ID, also.  Isn't it a little embarrassing when a Darwinist has to point out your misunderstanding of "irreducible complexity"?
Quote (Karl Pfluger @ Oct. 03 2006,10:11)
DaveScot wrote:

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Any complexity produced in a stepwise fashion by a computer is by definition not irreducible.


Dave,
I’ll let you fight it out with Behe and Dembski, who have different ideas:

Behe:
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By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.

Dembski:
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A functional system is irreducibly complex if it contains a multipart subsystem (i.e., a set of two or more interrelated parts) that cannot be simplified without destroying the system’s basic function.


IC precludes a stepwise buildup while maintaining the same function. It does not preclude a stepwise buildup via different intermediate functions, as in Avida’s path to the EQU function.


Good grief, Dave.  You're a moderator on an intelligent design weblog.  Stop embarrassing yourself.  Do some homework.

Date: 2006/10/06 11:36:15, Link 71.131.217.6
Author: keiths
Davey digs himself in deeper:
 
Quote (DaveScot @ Oct. 06 2006,12:38)
Oh Goody! Now 2ndClass wants to be the next clown I knock down. These people have not done any hardware design. They have not drawn schematics for many complex digital designs then sat thousands of hours in the drivers’s seat of a logic analyzer and oscilloscope debugging their own designs. That and programming is all I did for almost 25 years and I was really, really good at it.

2ndclass sticks his foot in his mouth thusly:

   
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- “Simulations of gate logic” are only done with boolean logic. What other kind of logic do you think is simulated?

- Contrary to your strawman, nobody here said that analog considerations aren’t important. They just aren’t part of gate-level modelling.


But this article in EDN says:

The most common form of logic simulation is event-driven, in which the simulator sees the world as a series of discrete events. When an input value on a primitive gate changes, the simulator evaluates the gate to determine whether this change causes a change at the output and, if so, schedules an event for some future time (Figure 3).

Most event-driven logic simulators allow you to attach minimum, typical, and maximum delays to each model (Figure 4). When you run the simulator, you can select one of these delay modes, and the simulator uses that mode for all of the gates in the circuit. Also, some simulators allow you to select one delay mode as the default and then force certain gates to adopt another mode. For example, you might set all the gates in your datapath to use minimum delays and all the gates in your control path to use maximum delays, thereby allowing you to perform a “cheap and cheerful” timing analysis.

What a dope. There’s much more at the EDN link.


Dave,

It's painfully obvious to everyone (including the folks at UD) that you're bluffing.  Why keep pretending to understand how chip simulation is done?  You're just making yourself look ridiculous.  Perhaps you've done some board design, but you clearly don't understand chip design methodology.

First of all, do you really think that a gate-level simulation becomes non-boolean just because gate delays are added?

Secondly, in 20 years of chip design (microprocessors, ASICs, and FPGAs) I have never used, nor seen anyone use, nor heard about anyone using a gate-level simulation for timing analysis.  Can you do it?  Of course.  But why would you?  It's the wrong tool for the job, and there are much better tools available.

What's wrong with using a gate-level simulation for timing analysis?  Here are two biggies:

1)  Your vectors (or testbenches) have to achieve 100% path coverage (not just node coverage) to guarantee that you haven't missed any critical paths.  Not only is this impossible to achieve (or even to approach) for most designs, it also means that your verification suite has to be nearly complete before you can do significant timing analysis.  A stand-alone timing analysis tool has no such limitations and requires no vectors or testbenches.

2) To isolate a timing path using gate-level simulation, you have to a) produce a failure, b) debug from the failure back to the critical path, c) fix the path, and d) resimulate to find the next failure.  Step (b) in particular takes a huge amount of engineering time, all for the sake of highlighting one or a handful of critical paths.

A timing analyzer, by contrast, identifies hundreds or even thousands of critical paths all at once.  The engineer simply has to fix the paths and rerun the analyzer.

This is why the EDA vendors sell timing analysis tools, and it's why everyone buys them instead of trying to piggyback "cheap and cheerful" timing analysis onto their functional simulations.

We've pretty much run that topic into the ground, unless you aren't embarrassed enough yet.  Now let's hear why your definition of irreducible complexity is the right one, as opposed to Behe's and Dembski's.

Date: 2006/10/09 14:32:02, Link 69.227.37.230
Author: keiths
DaveScot:
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These people have not done any hardware design. They have not drawn schematics for many complex digital designs then sat thousands of hours in the drivers’s seat of a logic analyzer and oscilloscope debugging their own designs.


Oddly enough,Dave, I actually do believe that you've spent thousands of hours debugging your own crappy designs.  You appear to be just the kind of careless thinker who would slap something together and then "design" it in the lab.

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I had assumed that I was talking with people who were sufficiently knowledgable to recognize that the difference between modeling a CMOS processor at the transistor level and the gate level is a quibble because the individual logic gates are composed of just a few simple on/off mosfet (transistor) switches.


How many times do we have to prove you wrong before you'll give up, Dave?  Your latest mistake is confusing switch-level simulation with transistor-level simulation.  Read the following.  It corrects your mistake and explains a bunch of other points that Tom English, Karl Pfluger, 2ndclass and I have been making all along.

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13.1  Types of Simulation
Simulators are usually divided into the following categories or simulation modes :

Behavioral simulation
Functional simulation
Static timing analysis
Gate-level simulation
Switch-level simulation
Transistor-level or circuit-level simulation

This list is ordered from high-level to low-level simulation (high-level being more abstract, and low-level being more detailed). Proceeding from high-level to low-level simulation, the simulations become more accurate, but they also become progressively more complex and take longer to run. While it is just possible to perform a behavioral-level simulation of a complete system, it is impossible to perform a circuit-level simulation of more than a few hundred transistors.

There are several ways to create an imaginary simulation model of a system. One method models large pieces of a system as black boxes with inputs and outputs. This type of simulation (often using VHDL or Verilog) is called behavioral simulation . Functional simulation ignores timing and includes unit-delay simulation , which sets delays to a fixed value (for example, 1 ns). Once a behavioral or functional simulation predicts that a system works correctly, the next step is to check the timing performance. At this point a system is partitioned into ASICs and a timing simulation is performed for each ASIC separately (otherwise the simulation run times become too long). One class of timing simulators employs timing analysis that analyzes logic in a static manner, computing the delay times for each path. This is called static timing analysis because it does not require the creation of a set of test (or stimulus) vectors (an enormous job for a large ASIC). Timing analysis works best with synchronous systems whose maximum operating frequency is determined by the longest path delay between successive flip-flops. The path with the longest delay is the critical path .

Logic simulation or gate-level simulation can also be used to check the timing performance of an ASIC. In a gate-level simulator a logic gate or logic cell (NAND, NOR, and so on) is treated as a black box modeled by a function whose variables are the input signals. The function may also model the delay through the logic cell. Setting all the delays to unit value is the equivalent of functional simulation. If the timing simulation provided by a black-box model of a logic gate is not accurate enough, the next, more detailed, level of simulation is switch-level simulation which models transistors as switches—on or off. Switch-level simulation can provide more accurate timing predictions than gate-level simulation, but without the ability to use logic-cell delays as parameters of the models. The most accurate, but also the most complex and time-consuming, form of simulation is transistor-level simulation . A transistor-level simulator requires models of transistors, describing their nonlinear voltage and current characteristics.


http://www-ee.eng.hawaii.edu/~msmith....=119950

Date: 2006/10/15 08:32:38, Link 71.131.176.132
Author: keiths
Preserving the exchange for posterity:

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Allen: You really need to mix more in the real world. Question: did your views on evolution ever lead to you losing an academic job? No? From your cossetted little academic fiefdom, it’s all very easy to blow smoke. For your fatuous remarks above, I should boot you from this forum, but that would only confirm your delusions.

Comment by William Dembski — October 14, 2006 @ 11:14 pm

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Dr. Dembski:

Once again you attack me personally, without knowing anything about my beliefs or history.

Please, for the record, which of my comments was “fatuous” and in what way?

And, for the record, I came close to having my evolution/design seminar “delisted” this summer, but with Will Provine’s help, it went on as planned…with Hannah Maxson (founder and president of the Cornell IDEA Club as a full participant and moderator of the course website).

I can understand your bitterness as the result of the Baylor affair, but does that give you the right to attack me in what virtually anyone would recognize as pure ad hominem viciousness? What happened to arguing propositions on their intellectual merits? Are you that much less of a gentleman and a scholar as my friend and colleague Hannah Maxson?

Comment by Allen_MacNeill — October 14, 2006 @ 11:20 pm

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And, for the record, exactly what would “booting me from this forum” confirm - my “fatuousness” or “delusions”, or your inability to countenance opposing opinions in an atmosphere of collegial debate?

My own blog is online at
http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/
Please feel free to visit at your leisure, and post comments on whatever topic you wish. And, rest assured, so long as you adhere to the rules of “spirited academic debate” you will not be “booted” from that forum, and I will not characterize your self or your actions as either “fatuous” or “deluded.”

Comment by Allen_MacNeill — October 14, 2006 @ 11:26 pm

Date: 2006/10/17 20:24:16, Link 71.131.208.164
Author: keiths
Quote (Thank Dog @ Oct. 17 2006,16:28)
What is the role of a research professor in a seminary?

Dembski is promising us some actual research within the next year:
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Finally, Baylor and I have patched up our differences — I have good colleagues there in a number of departments and some active research projects with them which I expect will in the next year to bear fruit.

Comment by William Dembski — October 14, 2006 @ 11:48 pm

Date: 2006/10/24 13:05:05, Link 71.131.208.164
Author: keiths
Dang.  I've been looking forward to seeing Ken's shiny new museum ever since I read this.

Would it be immoral of me to give money for the preservation of this monument to human stupidity?

Date: 2006/10/31 01:33:01, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 30 2006,12:35)
"Physics Today" some time in the last year had an article on a fractal analysis of Jackson Pollock paintings and Pollock imitators. They found high fractal depth present in Pollock's work, but missing in his imitators. "Jack the Dripper" apparently did a bit more with his paintings than might be apparent on first glance.


http://materialscience.uoregon.edu/taylor/art/TaylorlCCS2002.pdf

Date: 2006/11/02 14:53:04, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Just posted the following at Hovind's blog:

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Brother Hovind,

Congratulations on this opportunity to begin your prison ministry.

The Lord works in mysterious ways!

Regards,
Keith

Date: 2006/11/02 18:28:27, Link 71.131.208.164
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 01 2006,17:25)
You know, maybe I've been too hard on Joel. Maybe he's not obsessed with hoo-hoos and twigs and berries.

I wonder what Joel makes of this:
Top Evangelist Rev. Ted Haggard Resigns Amid Allegations of Gay Affair

Date: 2006/11/03 09:36:54, Link 71.131.208.164
Author: keiths
Salvador:
Quote
For the record, I officially accused Myers of nothing. I merely reported on an analysis by a professor and invited readers to decide the accuracy of the analysis. I was curious to see what would transpire.

Curious, my ass.
Quote
If Myers accuses me of this or that, well, I was just reporting what someone else said. The comment section is to help us discuss and figure out and decide for ourselves the accuracy of the analysis.

Comment by scordova — November 3, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

Who, on the entire planet, would be persuaded by this evasion?  It is beyond pathological when you can't admit something that is obvious to both your allies and your detractors.

Salvador disgusts me.

Date: 2006/11/04 20:42:16, Link 71.131.208.164
Author: keiths
JGuy wrote:
Quote
A couple years ago, I made a similar argument about symmetry. It is a very tought matter for any materistic explanation. I argued that for symmetry to exist, then the mechanism whcih codes for one side of an organism would have to have either it's equal but oppostie code for the mirror image features of an organism, or it would have to code for a converter that would convert one side to the other.

Not to mention the mechanism which makes kids grow vertically when they're standing up, yet horizontally when they're lying down.

Don't you chance-worshipping heathens know it takes God to make tall, strapping kids out of Cocoa Puffs?

Date: 2006/11/07 20:33:27, Link 71.131.176.199
Author: keiths
Michaels7 raises an important question:
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Afterall, who is contributing to society more? Pornographic sites or UD?

Date: 2006/11/09 02:54:13, Link 71.131.176.199
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 08 2006,16:41)
Hmmm. I think Dave's just in a bad mood because the GOP got skunked last night.

Davey's hurting for sure:
Quote
“If Bush gets one or two more Supreme Court Justices, we’ll have Intelligent Design in the classroom.”

Yeah baby! Blame me. I voted for Bush.

Twice.

Three times if you count the father too.

Five times if you count his father as Reagan’s VP.

Oh man, make that seven times if you count voting for GW as Governor of Texas.

Go W!

Freud, Marx, and Darwin. The three pillars of western modernism. Two down, one to go.

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 5:24 pm

Quote
Correction.

Eight times. I voted for Bush senior for president twice. Smack me upside the head for forgetting he didn’t win one of those times. Picking the winner 7 of 8 times ain’t half bad! Check my math there, Bill. Not half bad, right?

Comment by DaveScot — May 2, 2005 @ 5:28 pm


http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/35#comment-100

Date: 2006/11/09 23:09:24, Link 71.131.176.199
Author: keiths

Date: 2006/11/09 23:39:25, Link 71.131.217.111
Author: keiths
Dembski just posted this:
Quote
ID has gotten much media coverage in Denmark over the last year and interest in the topic there is growing.

...which of course reminded me of this great moment on UD, when the 'Isaac Newton of information theory' managed to misinterpret some Google search statistics so badly that he concluded that
Quote
Danes must be searching for ID >20 times more than Americans. International interest in ID is growing.   [Emphasis his]

Date: 2006/11/15 08:21:30, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
For you juxtaposed quote fans:

Salvador, after deleting a post by 'zapatero':
Quote
Zap,

I was a little annoyed since I asked you to wait till I got back to this thread. You kept right on posting before I came back. Remember, you’re here at our invitation.

In any case, I do apologize to you for the rough treatment.

Now, let’s do this in pieces, I don’t want long responses where you fill up your posts with so many falsehoods and where I’ll have to spend 10 pages cleaning them up. In otherwords I don’t want you to do a Gish Gallop. If you do that, automatic delection. Ok?

Your questions might be valuable to the readers, but if sense you going into a Chewbacca Defense of Avida or doing a Gish Gallop are argumentum ad nauseam, I’m sorry your questions and objections will just be deleted.

So for starters, state your objection again about the fact that the host computer running the simulation effectively models a replication process. And then I’ll respond. Keep your assertion about the length of this comment please.

Finally if I pose a question to you, and you don’t ignore it, I will delete any subesequent participation on this thread until you answer. Got it? Your here at my invitation, remember that.

In any case, I’m sorry my treat of you was a little brusk…

Salvador

Comment by scordova — July 17, 2006 @ 12:44 pm


Salvador:
Quote
I have a personal philosophy of encouraging people to state what’s on their mind.

Date: 2006/11/20 12:58:10, Link 71.131.217.111
Author: keiths
Welp, this rant from D'oh Leary deserves to be reproduced in its full tardaceous glory:
Quote

You wrote:

“‘flunk all the IDiots and make room for smart students’ … is clear-cut viewpoint discrimination.”

It’s more than that. The Darwinists know as well as anyone else how little good evidence exists for their current position* - which is much more far-reaching than Darwin’s original position, as their current position posits that the mind, the will, the cosmos, origin of life, you name it, is supposedly governed by Darwinian mechanisms.

They are way overstretched, and my gut tells me that they do not expect to be rescued any time soon.

How to make students swallow it all without protest? The simplest and surest way is to get rid of those who are not going to swallow it. It is from those students that most future ID researchers will be drawn.

By the way, you ID guys’ chief opposition is NOT the high materialist cult. It is the pop cult of the shopping mall.

(BTW, the mall is about consumerism, NOT capitalism; the disbursement of capital, not its accumulation and use.)

I cannot stress properly how important a foe I think the pop cult is. The university is funded by tax money. It couldn’t promote high materialism effectively, unhindered, EXCEPT insofar as pop materialism is the ruling culture.

Almost the only people you can depend on to back you in a pinch are the homeschooler types, NOT because they are fundamentalists but because they have made a big anti-materialist commitment already.**

Oh yeah, and a handful of teachers, truckers, and journalists whose careers have been wrecked because they wouldn’t shut up, maybe - plus a few artists and philosophers and others who think that life is more than pampering the body.

One quick story to explain my case - and then I must run (I do not make a living following the ID controversy): In 1988, the Canadian Supreme Court struck down all laws against abortion, at any age of the baby. Brian Stiller (Mr. Evangelical Canada) organized an emergency speaking tour of evangelical churches - and it was a bust. Assemblies were poorly attended because people were shopping or watching hockey.

The pastors just shrugged. What can you do? People make choices. They are busy. Gay marriage came, and the few who protested were isolated indeed.

One journalist I know was reduced from dozens of papers running his political column to only two who still dared. But through it all, the people who claimed to oppose abortion and gay marriage were at the mall or watching TV.

If you asked their opinion, they would say they were “opposed” but their life patterns, giving patterns, and voting patterns would not support that.

Are Canadians unusually cowardly? Possibly, but based on events in Europe, I think it more likely that we are merely a decade ahead of the US on this curve.

So I agree with you. The uglies who bossed other students around on the campuses of the Sixties are indeed in power now, and age has not mellowed or sweetened them. But that isn’t the problem. The problem is that there is no rising revolution against them, only isolated protest. So Larry Moran could well begin to carry out his threat - and what would be the response? A column by Mike Adams? By Charles Colson? By Jim Dobson?

Bunny, it will take far, far more than that before Moran’s type knows that he is not above the law, justice, or reason.

cheers, Denyse
(*Please, don’t write to tell me that speciation takes a long time. I am sure that is true, … but so? The fact that evidence is difficult to come by is a legitimate excuse, but it is not evidence, and we must ask how long we can reasonably be expected to wait, given that there are alternatives.
**I know a lesbian author/journalist who adopted an abandoned child who backs YOU ID guys, not the Darwinoids. Are you surprised? Remember, it’s not the fundamentalism***, it’s the anti-materialism that is the key. That will be very important to keep in mind as you increasingly move into international waters. - d.)

[P.S.: I did not put what follows in my letter to my friend because I just thought of it now: *** I bet that somewhere in the United States there is a fundamentalist shopping mall, where you can suffocate in Jesus kitsch. In my view, the fundamentalist would be safer and better off at home, reading library books on political theory and philosophy of government. - d. ]

Date: 2006/11/22 00:29:56, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
I love it.  Davey sets out to ridicule P.Z., but instead has his error pointed out to him by everyone, even getting lectured by Joseph, for tard's sake.  And he still can't admit that he's wrong!

Instead, he's off frantically Googling for some obscure reference that supports his position that gravity is the strongest force...

Oh, wait.  Same tard, different debacle...

DaveScot, 01/06/2005:
 
Quote
And yes, biology IS something that can be picked up in spare time depending on how much time we're talking about and how fast the person can learn. I have certified IQ somewhere north of 150. If you're much under that you really can't even comprehend how fast people at my level can think.

P.S. Welcome back, Faid.  Where've you been, man?

Date: 2006/11/22 01:27:15, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Gil Dodgen just posted a thread at UD entitled Priceless Entertainment -- For Free!

He might as well have been referring to Diploid Dave's thread.

Meanwhile, the frantic Googling continues:
 
Quote
Joseph

I’ll see your definition of diploid from “about.com” and raise you these:

<ten links appeared here>

This is just a small sampling of definitions of “diploid” which exclude the requirement that paired chromosomes are one copy from each parent.

I arranged two googlefights to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

Add up the two searches with parent and parents and subtract from the search without either. The result is about an even match with a marginal lead in your favor. However, since it’s likely that many glossaries will contain the word parent or parents not contained within the definition of diploid I think that swings it back in my favor but that’s just conjecture.

Comment by DaveScot — November 22, 2006 @ 1:19 am

Now Davey may be a few neurons shy of a quorum, but even he must realize that the absence of the word "parent" in a definition hardly excuses his error.

The hole gets deeper, and Davey keeps desperately digging...

Date: 2006/11/22 01:44:31, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Holy crap!  It gets even better.  Davey went back and edited his comment to make it look less ridiculous.  Compare the DaveTard quote as it appears in Altabin's comment versus mine:

DaveTard, from Altabin's comment:
Quote
I arranged a googlefight to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

I win handily. There are far more glossaries that contain the word diploid without the word parent (by 2:1 margin) than there are glossaries that contain both diploid and parent. Subtract the number on the left from the number on the right to get the number of glossaries without parent in it.


DaveTard, from my preceding comment:
Quote
I arranged two googlefights to resolve this situation.

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

http://googlefight.com/index.p....lossary

Add up the two searches with parent and parents and subtract from the search without either. The result is about an even match with a marginal lead in your favor. However, since it’s likely that many glossaries will contain the word parent or parents not contained within the definition of diploid I think that swings it back in my favor but that’s just conjecture.

Comment by DaveScot — November 22, 2006 @ 1:19 am


Attaboy, Dave!  Now maybe you should sneak back and edit the original post.

Date: 2006/11/22 03:45:09, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Quote
I’m still confused by the convention and probably got it wrong.

Yet the original post still ends with this:
Quote
Update 2: The preponderance of literature calls the intermediate cells 1N,2C. This appears to be just semantics. The cells contain 1n unique chromosomes but 2n total chromosomes. I can’t find a definition of “diploid” anywhere that says two identical paired chromosomes only counts as one chromosome. The situation is 23 paired chromosomes that are 100% homozygous. It’s still diploid except perhaps to a pedant.

C'mon, brave boy, how about an Update 3?  I'll even write it for you if you find it too painful:
"I was wrong about the meaning of 'diploid'.  Thank you to Allen, Joseph, and all of the others who pointed out my mistake.  Also, I sincerely apologize for calling Allen MacNeill a 'pedant'."

Date: 2006/11/22 06:41:06, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
Joseph rubs Diploid Dave's face in it (emphasis his):
 
Quote

Dave,

Did you read the definition in the first link you provided?

The normal number of chromosomes in a somatic cell; in humans, 46 chromosomes (22 pairs of autosomes and two sex chromosomes)

Somatic cells Dave.

Link 2:

The number of chromosomes in most cells except the gametes. In humans, the diploid number is 46.

link 3:

the full component of chromosomes normally found in somatic cells. In humans, the number is 46.

I rest my case with my comment #18

Comment by Joseph — November 22, 2006 @ 7:21 am

LOL.

Somatic cells, Dave.  Got it?  Write that down.

Date: 2006/11/22 09:49:58, Link 70.239.226.25
Author: keiths
PZ gets in on the fun:
Quote
This is all just God of the Gaps guesswork, in which gods are tucked away in the empty spaces in our knowledge. In this case, those empty spaces are magnified by the inclusion of DaveScot's personal ignorance…making his god a truly great god.

Date: 2006/11/22 12:51:59, Link 71.131.217.111
Author: keiths
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 22 2006,11:29)
Come on Davetard, do another sciencey post. Chemistry this time, maybe?

ENTERTAIN ME, TARDY.

*claps hands*

It's so hard to find a good housetard these days.

Date: 2006/11/24 19:23:56, Link 71.131.218.100
Author: keiths
One 2LoT "expert" praises another:
Quote
Sewell is awesome.

Comment by DaveScot — November 24, 2006 @ 12:34 pm

Date: 2006/11/24 19:58:14, Link 71.131.218.100
Author: keiths
Quote (cak @ Nov. 24 2006,17:44)
As a long-time lurker on these sites I have a different take on DaveScot.  He has on numerous occasions labelled his severest critics as "atheists".  What kind of agnostic uses "atheist" as a pejorative?

Keep in mind that Davey uses a cartoon definition of atheism:
Quote
As I’ve explained before, an atheist is sure there is no God. An agnostic is unsure. There’s a huge difference.

Comment by DaveScot — September 28, 2006 @ 1:46 pm

Le Tard would hate to admit it, but by his definition even Dawkins is not an atheist.  Dawkins' new book, after all, has a chapter entitled "Why There Almost Certainly is no God".  In the book he states
Quote
That you cannot prove God's nonexistence is accepted and trivial, if only in the sense that we can never absolutely prove the non-existence of anything.  What matters is not whether God is disprovable (he isn't) but whether his existence is probable.

Date: 2006/11/27 15:20:23, Link 71.131.218.100
Author: keiths
Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 27 2006,12:31)
Is it me, or has it become pretty quiet over there at UD?

Like watching paint dry.

UD gets this way periodically whenever they manage to chase off or ban all of the intelligent people.

Look no further than the Pinker thread.  27 comments full of error after inanity, piling higher and higher, and not a single intelligent challenge to offset the stench.

Gil Dodgen even manages to condescend to Pinker, which is hilarious given that Pinker under general anesthesia could still out-think Gil.

Things were hopping for a while at UD after LeTard got sacked, and for a short while after he got back, when the leash was still tight.  Those days appear to be over.

Date: 2006/11/27 15:37:09, Link 71.131.218.100
Author: keiths
Quote (Alan Fox @ Nov. 27 2006,14:56)
They could bring back Josh Bozeman, for instance.

Wouldn't that be great?  Maybe we could get him to talk again about how great it was to be an Old Testament slave.

Date: 2006/11/27 15:49:01, Link 71.131.218.100
Author: keiths
I just popped over to Josh's website to see what he's been up to, and found this great "they all look the same to me" comment:
Quote
The first fime was REINCARNATION- a muddled Japanese horror film that wasn’t horrorific in any way. It was a mind-numbing mixture of nonsense and the same tired “scare” over and over again. Frankly, as an American of European descent, I couldn’t for the life of me tell the girls apart. The girl would start talking, and I’d ask myself- wait, is this the main character or someone else? Let’s be honest- it’s just hard to tell between the girls. They all have the stereotypical Japanese look- very thin, long straight black hair, seemingly unable to take care of themselves without the help of a male figure who holds their hand everywhere they go (figuratively, that is.)

Date: 2006/11/28 11:12:01, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
On the Pinker thread:
Quote
It is interesting that when the topic on this blog involves an issue related to the details of some biological process or structure, the materialists are typically right in the fray, arguing for their point of view. But when the topic turns to broader issues like the one in this thread, they fall conspicuously silent. Of the 29 comments so far, why hasn’t even one person taken a shot at defending or supporting Pinker?

Comment by SteveB — November 28, 2006 @ 8:56 am

You think anyone at UD will give him an honest answer?

Date: 2006/11/28 22:19:11, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
On the subject of nested hierarchies, check out this new thread at UD:

The Sound of a Nested Hierarchy Shattering

Don't miss the comments.  They're tardelicious!

EDIT:  Oops, mcc -- our posts crossed in the ether.

Date: 2006/11/28 22:30:49, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (mcc @ Nov. 28 2006,22:24)
 
Quote (keiths @ Nov. 28 2006,22:19)
EDIT:  Oops, mcc -- our posts crossed in the ether.

So like do we have to trade insurance information now or what

Actually, it looks like at least a four-way collision.  Phonon and Zachriel were actually talking about the "shattering" thread on the previous page.

It's a little confusing because of all the DaveTard flashback quotes on this page.

Date: 2006/12/02 12:05:38, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (Zachriel @ Dec. 02 2006,07:49)
DaveScot links to a Google search, but hides the nature of the search.

Applying Davey's tool of choice to the question at hand:

   http://tinyurl.com/y3wqwq

Quod erat demonstrandum.

Date: 2006/12/03 12:56:42, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Dembski, regarding rumors of a new job:
 
Quote
I recently spoke in chapel there, and, for the good of your soul, you do well to look at the text of my message: http://www.designinference.com/documen....oss.pdf

For the good of my soul, I read Dembski's message.  It's a long discussion of whether Jesus suffered enough to redeem our sins.  What this has to do with Dembski's employment is beyond me.  Perhaps by suffering in obscurity at West Southwestern Bible and Taxidermy College, Dembski is doing his part to save us all.

I've selected some choice excerpts from Dembski's message for your edification.

Here he puts his math PhD to good use:
 
Quote
For instance, the Scriptures teach that with God a day is as a thousand years. But if a day is as a thousand years, then each day in a thousand years is itself a thousand years. Thus, if you run the numbers, a day with God is also as 365 million years.  Follow the math to its logical conclusion, and with God an instant is an eternity.

And there you have it.

Of course, this sorta blows the "day-age" idea that the six days of creation were days to God, but eons to us.

Dembski engages in a little self-analysis:
 
Quote
The failure here is the failure to follow Jesus’ command to love one’s neighbor as oneself. This commandment does not mean that as we look in the mirror, we should think about how much we esteem our own person and then determine in our hearts that we
need to esteem others likewise...

 
Quote
We need to love our neighbor as our self because our neighbor is our self. In saying this, I’m not advocating an all-is-one pantheism of the sort popularized by the Beatles in their song “I Am the Walrus."

Koo koo ka-choo.

More math from Isaac:
 
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In mathematics there are two ways to go to infinity. One is to grow large without measure. The other is to form a fraction in which the denominator goes to zero. The Cross is a path of humility in which the infinite God becomes finite and then contracts to zero, only to resurrect and thereby unite a finite humanity within a newfound infinity.

Dembski would feel right at home with Professor Sharon K. Robbert, who writes:
 
Quote
The eigenspace of an eigenvalue l is the collection of all vectors u  that are mapped to lu under the action of a fixed matrix. It is important to note that u choices exclude the zero vector because the zero vector always is mapped to itself under this type of transformation.  On our own, we are like the zero vector because no matter what we try, we cannot move away from out sinful status.  However, through the grace of Christ, we are transformed from being a zero vector to the eigenspace of the redeemed (the likeness of Christ).

Dembski:
 
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Indeed, the only way to gauge the extent to which one person loves another is by what that person is willing to endure for the other. Without the cost incurred by suffering, love among fallen creatures becomes cheap and self-indulgent.

So when we delight in the happiness of others, we are being "cheap and self-indulgent."

God is not a Church-burning Ebola Boy:
 
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God is not an arsonist who starts a fire, lets things heat up for us, and then, at the last moment, steps in so that he can be the big hero. Nor is God a casual bystander, who sees a fire start spontaneously and then lets it get out of control so that he can be the big hero to rescue us.

But Demsbki admits to being a church-burner himself:
 
Quote
We are the arsonists. We started the fire. God wants to rescue us not only from the fire we started but also, and more importantly, from our disposition to start fires, that is, from our life of arson.

Amen.

Date: 2006/12/03 19:37:51, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (Mike PSS @ Dec. 03 2006,17:24)
Dembski's an overachiever with this crowd.

Mike,

You missed one:
Quote
Wednesday September 20, 2006
Mr. Kirk Cameron
Actor/Evangelist, Way of the Master, World Missions Testimonies

Yes, Kirk Cameron, who along with his banana-buddy Ray Comfort pioneered the argumentum ad fructum for God's existence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

Check out these two responses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zMfUay6Ss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdkRzkXbZ1M

Date: 2006/12/03 20:26:03, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Robin Levett:
Quote
He makes two major claims; that evolutionary biology is a religion <rest of comment censored by DaveTard>

Sgt. Tard replies:
Quote
Robin

After you made me bother to start fisking your screed against Bullock the first thing I did was look for where he equates evolutionary biology to religion. What I found was that the word “biology” never even appears in Bullock’s article.  If you want to remain a critical participant here you had better not make any more false accusations like that again.

Of course, Bullock's article completely supports Levett's assertion:
Quote
Two scientific explanations of origins, each a tenet of sincere religious beliefs, and both important in the field of origins science... The wall of separation-cum-segregation between churches by the state permits the government to separate favored religious ideas (such as materialistic naturalism) for special treatment, the special treatment being state protection from any disfavored challenger. Darwinism, where evidence is interpreted based solely on religious naturalism (or scientific naturalism—there’s no difference), acceptable. Anything else, including Jefferson’s “creator of man”, unacceptable.

Question for the panel:  Could DaveScot really be stupid enough to misinterpret Bullock's article?  Or is he scared of Levett and looking for an excuse to hit the 'ban' button?

While granting that Davey is simultaneously stupid, dishonest, and cowardly, I think cowardice is the driving force in this instance.

Date: 2006/12/04 09:20:38, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (steve_h @ Dec. 03 2006,21:13)
 I would advise everyone to be on the lookout for anyone  with any or all of the following attributes: a grudge against Wesley; a history of threatening him or his sites with hacking; personal experience of the damage that delisting can cause; and an inability to  suppress his or her glee at the delisting.

H fckng sshls. plgz t DvSct NW bfr gt pssd ff nd strt fckng wth . dn't wnt t mk m md. Trst m n ths. r scrt scks bg tm.

Date: 2006/12/05 22:39:29, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 05 2006,20:33)
The Baylor search page stuff, I don't get it, what's going on?

Dembski:
Quote
Some internet gossip is going around suggesting that I am about to start a “new job.” My job, and one I intend to keep for a long time, is as Research Professor in Philosophy at Southwestern Seminary. This is where I teach and this is where I derive my salary and benefits. I very much enjoy my students and colleagues... In addition to this “day job,” I have formal and informal affiliations with many groups and organizations. Because of some health issues in my family, we continue to live in the Waco area (Ft. Worth is about 90 miles north, requiring of me a long commute to Southwestern Seminary). Because Baylor is in Waco and because I was on the faculty of Baylor for over five years, I continue to stay in touch with Baylor colleagues, some of whom I collaborate with in research.

Wes was just pointing out that you don't get listed in the Baylor faculty/staff directory simply by "staying in touch with Baylor colleagues."  Dembski may not be ditching the West Southwest Bible and Taxidermy College, but it does look like he's starting something new at Baylor.

Date: 2006/12/07 03:49:00, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Jonathan Wells is really scraping the bottom of the barrel, if this is any indication.  From the "Case for a Creator" DVD thread on UD:
Quote
I really enjoyed the DVD. I especially like the interview with Jonathan Wells, where he talked about taking a living cell in a sterile test tube, killing it, and then waiting for it to spontaneously re-assemble itself - simple but effective.

Comment by shaner74 — December 6, 2006 @ 9:40 pm

Yes.  It simply, but effectively, shows that Jonathan Wells is either an incredible doofus, or Rev. Moon's mendacious lackey, or both.

Date: 2006/12/07 13:18:20, Link 71.131.210.128
Author: keiths
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 07 2006,12:13)
How dare anyone use Dave's own words against him!!!!

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.  A foolish inconsistency is the province of big Texas-sized minds like Davey's.

Date: 2006/12/07 15:41:04, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 07 2006,04:50)
Lou,

You got booted from BJU after one semester for thinking?

Ah, the fundies stole his adolescence, so now he's reliving it through JanieBelle and Kate.

Luckily I escaped fundyland at 14, still early enough to sow my oats.

I visited BJU in the 80's.  Highlights of the trip:  
1) The "dating lounge", where prim couples held hands on sofas under the watchful eyes of chaperones, and
2) The chain-link fence surrounding the campus, topped with strands of barbed wire.  You'd have expected the barbed wire to be canted outward to repel intruders, but no, it was canted inward, as if BJU were a prison (which I suppose it was, for people like Lou).

Date: 2006/12/07 16:02:57, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (ScaryFacts @ Dec. 07 2006,13:55)
It’s been five years since I left the church (and my 18 year long job as a pastor) and I am still trying to reconcile many things in my mind.

Wow.  It must have been wrenching to leave after 18 years as pastor.   

 
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(If anyone is interested I would be happy to post some of those experiences at my blog and we can discuss them.

I'd certainly be interested in reading and commenting on them.

Date: 2006/12/07 21:08:57, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (ScaryFacts @ Dec. 07 2006,17:36)
When I relate an experience, there are several possiblities:

1.  It is truly a supernatural experience.
2.  It is coincidence/natural process which I misinterpreted
3.  I’m lying
4.  I’m deceived (either by my own psychosis, my unintentional superimposing after the fact some details that weren’t really present or by other’s intentional plan)


Scary,

I know your reference to "psychosis" was for comedic effect, but it's still worth stressing that perfectly normal, mentally healthy people are nevertheless subject to self-deception.  We all know about sensory illusions, and cognitive illusions abound as well -- the Monty Hall paradox being a notorious example.

The beautiful thing about the scientific style of thinking is that it gives us a way of approaching the truth despite these inherent weaknesses.

Date: 2006/12/08 01:06:37, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
ScaryFacts,

I cross-posted our last couple of comments to your blog so that we can continue the conversation there.

I look forward to hearing about your experiences.

Date: 2006/12/08 01:15:44, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
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In 40 years of debating with atheists, I’ve never met one who was honest and open, who did not smarten up and abandon atheism.

Comment by Borne — December 8, 2006 @ 12:28 am

Anyone care to guess what qualifies one as an "honest and open" atheist in Borne's eyes?

Date: 2006/12/08 03:59:11, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 08 2006,01:35)
Of course, I'm also a native Floridian from Central Florida, so there is a sense in which "cracker" would describe me, too.

 
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I was born in, as Neal Stephenson put it, 'the illustrious trailer parks of North Florida'

Have you guys seen Errol Morris's classic documentary Vernon, Florida?

http://www.errolmorris.com/film/vernon_clip.html
http://www.errolmorris.com/film/vernon.html

Date: 2006/12/08 04:13:32, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 07 2006,22:07)
I'm not asking [Dembski] to quit his position, but at least condemn the "HIV doesn't cause AIDS" crap. Condemn Jonathan Wells for saying it. Post it at Uncommon Descent and turn the money-changers out of his temple. Draw a line somewhere.

What?  And violate the spirit of the Big Tent?  You should know better, Kristine -- ID does not take a position on the cause of AIDS.  That issue can be addressed when the culture war has been won and Of Pandas and People is back in the classroom where it belongs.

Date: 2006/12/09 11:37:39, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
Quote (lkeithlu @ Dec. 09 2006,10:39)
And how does banning fit "attack ideas" vs "the people who hold them"?

When Davey bans you, he's not attacking you -- he just happens to be attacking all of your ideas simultaneously.

Date: 2006/12/10 10:01:01, Link 71.131.192.51
Author: keiths
As the year 2006 draws to a close, let us pause to reflect on the great strides made recently by the science of intelligent design.  A mere four years ago, when ID still languished under a cloud of disrepute, Dr. William A. Dembski published this prescient map of ID's road to respectability:

Becoming a Disciplined Science: Prospects, Pitfalls, and Reality Check for ID

In it, he helpfully outlined a set of objective standards by which the progress of ID could be judged:

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Objective Measures of Progress (OMP)
How do we gauge how well we are doing in developing ID as a scientific research program? We need some objective measures of progress. Rather than lay out such measures in pedantic detail, let me indicate what they are under four rubrics, each followed by a series of questions:

Intellectual Vitality
Have we become boring? Have we run out of things to say? Is the fount of fresh ideas drying up? Are we constantly repeating ourselves? Are people who once were excited about what we're doing no longer excited? Or do we have the intellectual initiative? Are we setting the agenda for the problems being discussed? Are we ourselves energized by our research? Is there nothing we'd rather be doing than work on intelligent design? Are our ideas strong enough to engage the best and the brightest on the other side?

Intellectual Standards
Are we holding ourselves to high intellectual standards? Are we in the least self-critical about our work? Are we sober or immodest about our work? Do we demand precision and rigor from our each other? Do we examine each other's work with intense critical scrutiny and speak our minds freely in assessing it? Or do we try to keep all our interactions civil, gentlemanly, and diplomatic (perhaps so as not to give the appearance of dissension in our ranks)? Does the mood of our movement alternate between the smug and the indignant -- smug when we hold the upper hand, indignant when we are criticized? Do we react to adverse criticism like first-time novelists who are dismayed to discover that their masterpiece has been trashed by the critics? Or do we take adverse criticism as an occasion for tightening and improving our work?

Exiting the Ghetto
Do we refuse to be marginalized within an intellectual ghetto or second-class subculture? Are scholars and scientists on the other side actually getting to know us? Once they get to know us, do they still demonize us or do they think that we have an interesting, albeit perverse, point of view? Is intelligent design's appeal international? Does it cross religious boundaries? Or is it increasingly confined to American evangelicalism? Who owns ID? Are we trying to get our ideas into the scientific mainstream? Are we continuing to plug away at getting our work published in the mainstream peer-reviewed literature (despite the deck being stacked against us)? Or are we seeking safe havens where we can publish our work easily, yet mainly for the benefit of each other? At the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design, for instance, we encourage contributors to the society's journal also to submit their articles to the mainstream literature. John Bracht, for instance, recently had his lengthy design-theoretic appraisal of Stuart Kauffman's latest book, Investigations, accepted in the Santa Fe Institute's journal Complexity. This is precisely what needs to happen.

Attracting Talent
Are we continually attracting new talent to intelligent design's scientific research program? Does that talent include intellects of the highest caliber? Is that talent distributed across the disciplines or confined only to certain disciplines? Are under-represented disciplines getting filled? What about talent that's been with the movement in the past? Is it staying with the movement or becoming disillusioned and aligning itself elsewhere? Do the same names associated with intelligent design keep coming up in print or are we constantly adding new names? Are we fun to be around? Do we have a colorful assortment of characters? Other things being equal, would you rather party with a design theorist or a Darwinist?

There you have it -- an objective set of standards for judging ID's progress.  What do you say now, scoffers?

Date: 2006/12/14 17:42:26, Link 71.131.209.46
Author: keiths
Ekstasis waxes ecstatic over circumcision:
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Check this out regarding circumcision!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006....d=print

Now, what happened to the “religious practices damage humanity” line? And how in the world did a religious practice develop that makes so much sense from a medical standpoint, and not just for AIDS, long before any theory of bacteria or viruses?

Oh, just lucky happenstance, is it? Hmmm. And how about that old Moses, how did he “receive the Law” thousands of years ago that just happens to have completely solid sanitary rules that were not practised by the Egyptians at the time?

Pure luck, just like Darwinian evolution, of course!!!

Comment by Ekstasis — December 14, 2006 @ 7:25 am

No word from Ekstasis on the Designer's incredible foresight in providing the requisite skin for snipping, thus providing mohels with employment for centuries to come.

Date: 2006/12/15 02:05:34, Link 71.131.197.191
Author: keiths
Playing the Judge Jones animation at OE, I noticed that the cadences and Chicago vowels of the judge's chipmunk speech resembled those of a certain disreputable intelligent design proponent.  Suspicious, I sampled the audio, slowed it down, and lowered the pitch.  Sure enough, it's Dembski.

1. Here's the original.  Fart noises have been removed for your protection.
2. The slowed-down, pitch-adjusted version which confirms that Dembski is the voice of Judge Jones.
3. For comparison, a clip from Dembski's recent sermon at the West Southwest Bible and Taxidermy College.
4. I also discovered that if you slow down Dembski's voice and play it backward, you get a prophetic message regarding the future of the Intelligent Design Movement.

Date: 2006/12/15 02:48:47, Link 71.131.177.231
Author: keiths
If the links in my previous message don't work for you, you can get the audio files here.

Date: 2006/12/15 11:10:44, Link 71.131.179.17
Author: keiths
Slime-ador Cordova is at it again.  In his latest post at UD, he quotes from Lauren Sandler's book Righteous, but just happens to omit a few key phrases and sentences.  Here's the quote, with the missing parts reinserted and bolded.  I've corrected Slimy's spelling and transcription errors:
 
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Moreover, intelligent design proponents keep quiet about the idea that [Judge] Jones’s decision opens new legal support to teach their views in philosophy and religion classes. “We do not question that many of the leading advocates of ID have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors. Nor do we controvert that ID should continue to be studied, debated, and discussed. As stated, our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom” Jones wrote, suggesting that intelligent design is a legitimate field of study outside biology class. This is a victory to an intelligent design movement that thinks in small steps, always taking the long view; any opportunity to introduce theism in the classroom is a push forward.
To be sure, a legal victory would have been a boon to the movement, but
no intelligent design group worth its salt supports Dover’s attention-geting bid for influence in the science classroom. Even the most brazen creationists groups, like Answers in Genesis–the name says it all–don’t approve of requiring teachers to deride evolution or direct students to Pandas [Of Pandas and People by Kenyon and Davis], since that’s just courting a lawsuit, and likely an unwinnable one. Lawsuits, even the Rock for Life kids would tell you, aren't the way to change hearts and minds.
Most [id-friendly] groups agree that the best way to convert a generation to the concept of intelligent design is to use stealth: hire Evangelical teachers in mainly Christian communities, and make sure the local church elders have a presence on the PTA.  This is exactly what's happening all over the country, beyond the gaze of newspaper assignment editors and pro bono prosecutors, and it's working.

What is wrong with that boy?

Date: 2006/12/15 13:50:38, Link 71.131.208.19
Author: keiths
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 15 2006,13:20)
     
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If the links in my previous message don't work for you, you can get the audio files here.

Hey, this link doesn't work, either! No fair! :angry:

Sorry about that, Arden.  Yahoo Briefcase is acting very Tardy right now.  You may have to reload multiple times to get the links to work.

If all else fails, go here and keep clicking on the 'Dembski' folder until it opens:      http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/woctor

Date: 2006/12/15 20:45:09, Link 71.131.208.19
Author: keiths
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 15 2006,20:20)
Please, Keiths Army, don't send anyone over to exact vengeance.

Ha, ha!  No worries.  I/We am/are not planning to put it on my/our resume/resumes anyway.

Besides, taking credit for catching Salvador in flagrante delicto would be like congratulating myself  for noticing that the sun rose this morning.

Date: 2006/12/16 09:40:01, Link 71.131.196.178
Author: keiths
Things are hopping over at Overweening Arrogance:
 
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Recent comments

Doubt It
23 hours 25 sec ago

Of things to come
1 day 4 hours ago

Closed
1 day 13 hours ago

Back to the Future
1 day 15 hours ago

Reading the Books
1 day 16 hours ago

Cooking the Books
1 day 18 hours ago

Re: The Assumptions
1 day 19 hours ago

Protect Darwinism
1 day 21 hours ago

I'm waiting...
2 days 11 hours ago

The Assumptions
2 days 17 hours ago

That's almost four comments a day!

It makes me wish I were one of the cool guys, like Bill, Jonathan, and TRoutMac -- hangin' out with the kids, trashin' Dawkins, smokin' a little weed...

Date: 2006/12/17 09:57:04, Link 71.131.201.233
Author: keiths
A little bit of chipmunk spin from Dembski:
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The other side is making much about my having attained yet another “new low” in being the creative force behind the Judge Jones School of Law (go to www.overwhelmingevidence.com). Just to be clear, my aim in this flash animation was not to shake up the convictions of convinced Darwinists. Rather, my aim was to render Judge Jones and his decision ridiculous in the eyes of many young people, who from here on will never take Darwinian evolution or him seriously. If the cost of accomplishing this is yet another lowering of my estimation in the eyes of PT or Richard Dawkins, that’s a price I’m only too glad to pay — heck, I regard that as a benefit of the deal.

Let's savor this bit of inanity:
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Rather, my aim was to render Judge Jones and his decision ridiculous in the eyes of many young people, who from here on will never take Darwinian evolution or him seriously.

Who are these "many young people" who, having heard a few animated farts, no longer take Darwinian evolution seriously?

Date: 2006/12/17 10:10:44, Link 71.131.201.233
Author: keiths
Dave plants another kiss on Dembski's cheek:
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Stuffed shirts with no sense of humor make the world a dull place. Your stock goes up in my book every time you take some time out for schoolboy fun. We can’t stay young in body but we can sure stay young at heart. Good for you.

Comment by DaveScot — December 17, 2006 @ 10:49 am

If Davey thinks we're stuffed shirts, it's only because 80 percent of the humor on this thread is at his expense, and he hasn't learned to laugh at himself yet.

Date: 2006/12/17 10:19:33, Link 71.131.177.104
Author: keiths
Quote (Alan Fox @ Dec. 17 2006,09:06)
Well, Keiths, you guys are really famous, now. :D

Thanks for doing your part to extend our 15 minutes of fame, Alan.  :)
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You have insight into the mind of David Springer. Is this a subtle attempt to suggest David Heddle tone down his denunctiation of Dembski's new bit of street theatre?

Subtle for Dave, yes.

Date: 2006/12/17 12:29:32, Link 71.131.179.17
Author: keiths
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Ya know, every picture that Demb