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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,00:33   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmb3TleQHJw&feature=related

Him, on evilution, on Bill O Reilly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,03:16   

"the ones who bother me the most are the ones who say they're Christians but then they don't live like it at all"

Me too, Huckabee, me too..  Now all you have to do is openly speak out against the intolerance, bigotry, and outright hatred being promoted by certain Christian groups.

Otherwise you're just talking out of your own butthole about things that you don't really give a damn about.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,08:44   

Q: How is Mike Huckabee like the Discovery Institute?

A: They both
solicit money from Christian Reconstructionists.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,09:57   

A scary Huckabee story:
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A look at the former Arkansas governor’s records shows that he didn’t shy away when he felt God needed to be defended in legislation.

In 1997, after a tornado ripped through the town of Arkadelphia, Ark., then Gov. Huckabee had spent over three weeks battling his state’s legislators over legal terminology in a disaster insurance bill that referred to natural disasters as “acts of God.”

Huckabee argued that God could not be blamed for the region’s destruction, countering the centuries-old legal terminology and the state’s legislature, the General Assembly. The dispute made local headlines and created tension with other state legislators, some of which called him “petty.”

“‘Petty’ is the best word to describe him,” said Dennis R. Young, a state representative at the time who sponsored the relief measure, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In these kinds of things, he’d make mountains out of molehills.”

Yet the small-town pastor turned Arkansas governor did not give in and in the end the two sides agreed on the substitute term “natural causes.”


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,11:11   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 02 2008,08:57)
A scary Huckabee story:
 
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A look at the former Arkansas governor’s records shows that he didn’t shy away when he felt God needed to be defended in legislation.

In 1997, after a tornado ripped through the town of Arkadelphia, Ark., then Gov. Huckabee had spent over three weeks battling his state’s legislators over legal terminology in a disaster insurance bill that referred to natural disasters as “acts of God.”

Huckabee argued that God could not be blamed for the region’s destruction, countering the centuries-old legal terminology and the state’s legislature, the General Assembly. The dispute made local headlines and created tension with other state legislators, some of which called him “petty.”

“‘Petty’ is the best word to describe him,” said Dennis R. Young, a state representative at the time who sponsored the relief measure, according to the Los Angeles Times. “In these kinds of things, he’d make mountains out of molehills.”

Yet the small-town pastor turned Arkansas governor did not give in and in the end the two sides agreed on the substitute term “natural causes.”

What? So God didn't create nature, then?

What a flipping waste of time! :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,08:56   

After Huckabee's Iowa win, I think we need to bump this thread.  I'm thinking that someone (Arden) should take a page out of Karl Rove's Book Of Dirty Tricks and create the Homo's Heart Huckabee PAC.  

I am sure the Huckabee supporters would love to see Gay Pride Parades in their neighborhoods. Didn't Jesus tell them to love their fellow man?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:12   

I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:15   

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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:21   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,08:56)
After Huckabee's Iowa win, I think we need to bump this thread.  I'm thinking that someone (Arden) should take a page out of Karl Rove's Book Of Dirty Tricks and create the Homo's Heart Huckabee PAC.  

I am sure the Huckabee supporters would love to see Gay Pride Parades in their neighborhoods. Didn't Jesus tell them to love their fellow man?

Maybe the folks who ran the late and lamented "Baptists for Brownback" site can get busy and generate a similar satirical one for Huckabee.

Heguenots for Huckabee?

Muslims for Mike?

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Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:23   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:25   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,10:23)
I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

Wow.  I admit it.

I really am surprised.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:27   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:23)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:29   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:12)
I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

He plays bass.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:35   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 04 2008,10:29)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:12)
I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.

:p  :p

He plays bass.

Now that right there is pathetic level of detail.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,09:54   

Quote (someotherguy @ Jan. 04 2008,09:27)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:23)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 04 2008,09:15)
 
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,11:49   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,15:23)
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

Wow. Two of those would be in my "top  3" (if I were an American)

I'm not a HUGE fan of Guliani, but the guy has style, and he seems so....honest.

Obama I like, but I don't know enough about him (I've been almost avoiding the news over the hols, I didn't want to have to think about politics all the damn year round, after all)

McCain I....sort of like. However, I heard, and forgive me, but I don't recall where, something about him and Iran? I can't remember exactly what it was either, but it made me uneasy.

But personally, I like Clinton. Then again, I liked Bill too (but not entirely, guy made some pretty messed up moves, and frankly, anyone who has sent anyone to their deaths "lawful" or not, loses points with me)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,11:54   

It's interesting that the high moral standard of FtK allows her to favor Giuliani, given his multiple divorces, lots of affairs, documented misuse of municipal funds to visit his lovers, and a long-time association with crooks and liars like Bernard Kerik.

I guess if you can overlook what's wrong with Sal, you can overlook anything...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,12:37   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 04 2008,11:54)
It's interesting that the high moral standard of FtK allows her to favor Giuliani, given his multiple divorces, lots of affairs, documented misuse of municipal funds to visit his lovers, and a long-time association with crooks and liars like Bernard Kerik.

I guess if you can overlook what's wrong with Sal, you can overlook anything...

Honey, we all make mistakes and I don't think I'd ever exclude someone from being considered for the Presidency for making mistakes in their personal life.  It does bother me a bit that there are so many personal issues with Guiliani, but I've not checked out what is rumor and what is fact yet.  I haven't had time to thoroughly think through who I want to vote in for President.  

Now, Clinton receiving a blow job in the oval office does present a problem for me.  Actually a big one.  I have lots of reasons for feeling that way, but it's irrelevant because he's not running anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,13:14   

Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:54)
   
Quote (someotherguy @ Jan. 04 2008,09:27)
     
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I'm kinda likin' Huckabee.  He can play a mean guitar...

In fact, I *heart* Huckabee.


 You would.  he pardons rapist and murders and all sorts of scumbags for all sorts of things.  your kind of company.

FtK, can you invite Huckabee here?  He might not have all that much time for teh webz what with being all campaign-y and stuff, but who knows?  Surely y'all know each other...

I didn't say I'm voting for him.  I said I *heart* him.

I'm undecided as to who I've vote for at this point...rather favor Obama, Giuliani and McCain at the *moment*.

If you vote for Obama, we'll be voting for the same candidate!  

*Swoon*

:D

I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

I suspect he'd sooner run with a clown as VP than Hillary.

You probably don't follow the politics among filthy leftists too closely ( :) ), but Hillary's often reviled as a warmongering Republican sellout pretending to be a Democrat. (It doesn't help that she campaigned for Richard Nixon.)

So, although she benefits from expensive ad campaigns and extensive name recognition, she suffers from a serious problem when it comes to not being hated by her fellow Democrats, candidates and activists alike. The fact that she often says completely contradictory things minutes from each other doesn't help much, either. It makes her seem a wee bit dishonest, maybe. :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:33   

If you ask me, we spend way too much attention on the presidential campaign. It goes along with my hypothesis that Americans personalize experiences too much, and are impatient with process and analysis. The presidential campaign is too much like watching sports, like worshipping/dissing this or that player (as opposed to analyzing the plays, and as opposed to playing the game oneself). We’ve already spent too much time on who is of what religion, as if I care – whoever you vote for, the theist gets in, and that has nothing to do with how well or poorly that person represents me. (I do, however, wish that an atheist could run for President and actually have a chance to get elected.)

What I care about is how the candidate is going to uphold a secular (as opposed to atheist) government. (I’d high-tail it to Canada if government officials started talking about who is or is not a true atheist.) I’m hearing quibbling over religion, who is or not a true Christian (how could anyone know?), and how scary the Mormons are because they allegedly believe the devil is Jesus’s brother (so what?), as if that has anything to do with how we’re going to tackle the national debt or overturn the Supreme Court’s noxious eminent domain ruling (anybody remember that?), or what in blazes we’re going to do about Iraq, or how we’re going to fund our public libraries and veterans’ benefits, or when the U.S. government is finally going to embrace the enormous opportunity that presents itself as a result of global private industry tackling global climate change on its own, because their CEOs see what the denialists don’t.

Even if we have a science debate, which I support, I’m afraid it will also degenerate into more “is it/isn’t it evolution” with no discussion of why we can say  that something is (provisionally) true, because that sounds “weak,” right? People want black and white (while strangely not accepting the rather plain-spoken statement that there is no scientific evidence that “contracts evolution”). Likewise, we’ll get the old “who is your hero, Richard Dawkins or Rick Warren” routine, and miss the whole point that even an eminent scientist has to be viewed within the context of his methods and peers. We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.” (There’s nothing more exciting than challenging your “hero” on some weak point of his and perhaps advancing an idea yourself that no one else has yet, but people don’t get that. They see things in terms of “debate,” simplistic either-or platitudes. This is why I haven’t watched any of the debates.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:39   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,15:54   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:49)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

Thanks, but I think I am more qualified to be in charge of Monkey Business.  :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,21:26   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,15:54)
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Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 04 2008,14:39)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 04 2008,15:33)
We need each other to keep ourselves relevant, and we need process – this isn’t just about “heroes.”

You're making an awful lot of sense... I'm afraid I'm gonna have to nomnate YOU for President.

That means I gotta pick a science advisor. Hmmm...

Can you start Monday? ;)

Thanks, but I think I am more qualified to be in charge of Monkey Business.  :)

It's a pleasure, Senator Hart...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,00:53   

very nice, Kristine.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,19:54   

Very well said, Kristine, and apologies over here for hijacking your emergent evolution thread over there with my ramblings.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:12   

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I rather like the guy, and it's really the Democrat's turn to have the white house.  But, if he picks Hillary as a running mate, he's done for.  That woman has too much baggage.

Instead of nitpicking your apostrophe catastrophe, I'll point out that if you think Barack Obama would pick Hillary Clinton as a running mate, you might know less about politics than you do about science or philosophy.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:22   

Obama is all but forced to pick a white male from the south, such as Mark Warner. There is a tiny outside chance that he will pick a while male from somewhere else, such as Joe Biden.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,20:36   

New Hampshire is coming up on Tuesday. Prior to Iowa, Obama and Hillary were tied in NH within the margin-of-error of polls. Today, Rasmussen says he's ten points above her. Today the political futures markets continued the dramatic changes set in motion Thursday night, and they're now giving him majority odds of winning the nomination. Our first black president might be 381 days away.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:13   

I had been pretty ambivalent about the three viable Democrats.  As time went by, I heard more and more from Obama about his faith.  It might be a winning strategy in this place and time, but it's the exact opposite of what this country needs.  We've had years of political decisions based on Divine Revelation, so I'm not sure how that's "Change", which is what he purports to be about.  I like some of his stances (on the war for instance), but not others (opposes equality for the non-heterosexual segment of society - but supports civil unions - I'm lukewarm on this stance, but it's not a complete deal breaker since all three of them share it).  Oprah endorsed him.  I really can't stomach that woman, so although I wouldn't base a political decision on that, it doesn't help me like him more.  He wants to eviscerate NASA's budget.  That REALLY makes me dislike him.

Edwards was OK.  He's a civil union guy too, but his wife is very much in favor of recognizing marriage equality for all Americans.  I was kinda OK with him, with the hope that his wife would encourage him to do the right thing on that.  Then I heard him say that although he "believes in evolution", he thinks school boards should decide what's taught in classrooms.  Sorry.  Majority vote does not invalidate the Constitution, and if you can't grasp that very basic concept of this Republic, you're not getting my vote.

I'm not a huge Hillary fan.  I don't dislike her, but she doesn't really excite me, either.  She was kind of my tentative choice by elimination.  Then she made that statement about getting the politicians out of the science labs.  If nothing else, she's at least paying lip service.

Unless something pretty drastic changes, she'll get my vote.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:55   

Obama is definitely religious but that doesn't bother me because he's not a christianist. I don't think he's going to force his religion on me, unlike, say, Huckabee. Here's a couple bits from Obama's website:

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• The separation of church and state is critical and has caused our democracy and religious practices to thrive.

“[Conservative leaders] need to understand the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy, but the robustness of our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland…It was the forbearers of the evangelicals who were the most adamant about not mingling government with religion, because they did not want state-sponsored religion hindering their ability to practice their faith…” – Call to Renewal Keynote Address

• We are a nation of many faiths and of those with no faith at all. The religious practices of all must be respected.

“Given the increasing diversity of America's population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.” - Call to Renewal Keynote Address


There are a few reasons I like Obama. On understanding the U.S. constitution he's got credentials none of the other candidates match. And the constitution could use a friend right now, because for six years it was Tina Turner and the Republicans were Ike. Obama is extremely smart and made the right decision on the war when few others did. He represents a new and positive era in race-related politics. The international community would adore him and again, after the current administration has brought our reputation so low, that would be great. His policies to make more humane the War On Citizens Who Use Drugs rate high in my book.

He's not a perfect candidate, but I don't find in him the huge problems I find in the others.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,13:39   

I think the choice is simple.  If you want four more years of Republican leadership in the White House then Clinton is your man, err woman.  If you want a Democrat as President then Obama gets the nod.  What has amazed me in the last six months or so is how the democratic elite are completely blind to this elementary fact.  If Thursday was proof of anything on the Republican side it was how easy it is to mobilize them on a common goal and Clinton certainly represents that common goal.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,22:59   

Numbers have continued changing, not just in New Hampshire now, but nationwide. Obama now has a ten point lead in NH (primary tomorrow) and a thirteen point lead in South Carolina (next, on Jan 26). Barring something like he calls a kid 'macaca', Obama's almost certainly going to be the nominee.


Interestingly, in the last few weeks McCain has come from nowhere to become nearly the frontrunner on the GOP side. I haven't thought much about why yet. I mean, Romney's an obvious fake and the christianists don't like him, Giuliani's an amoral narcissist with authoritarian tendencies, and the educated, secular Republican elite view Huckabee as a bible-thumping creationist idiot, but even so, McCain's surge has been surprising.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,23:03   

Steve Sternberged:
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Obama is definitely religious but that doesn't bother me because he's not a christianist.


Yeah ain't he Muslim?  Swear I saw that on the View or something.  PZ.  I dunno.

**Ed diddiduad  Ahhhh doonesbury.  no?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,00:27   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 05 2008,21:13)
Oprah endorsed him [Obama].  I really can't stomach that woman, so although I wouldn't base a political decision on that, it doesn't help me like him more.

Oprah endorses people of minority.  David Blaine is generally reviled within the magician communitiy because he's very popular despite his abject magical mediocrity.  He became popular because Oprah was looking for a magician for a show, and she selected the black one for the gig.  Or, that's what my magician friend said.

I saw Obama on Leno a few months ago.  I liked what he had to say.  I remember looking at my wife and saying he had my vote.  Of course, I haven't actually looked up what his genuine positions are, and if he does indeed want to cut NASA and other science budgets, then I do have a problem with him.  I suspect that his economists will tell him there's a much bigger "return" on money spent via NASA and science in general than, say, money spent via tax refunds/cuts.  (In case I have to spell it out - a lot of innovations come out of NASA spending that end up being commercialized.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,01:17   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 07 2008,22:59)
Numbers have continued changing, not just in New Hampshire now, but nationwide. Obama now has a ten point lead in NH (primary tomorrow) and a thirteen point lead in South Carolina (next, on Jan 26). Barring something like he calls a kid 'macaca', Obama's almost certainly going to be the nominee.


Interestingly, in the last few weeks McCain has come from nowhere to become nearly the frontrunner on the GOP side. I haven't thought much about why yet. I mean, Romney's an obvious fake and the christianists don't like him, Giuliani's an amoral narcissist with authoritarian tendencies, and the educated, secular Republican elite view Huckabee as a bible-thumping creationist idiot, but even so, McCain's surge has been surprising.

McCain's the moderate, sane one for his party. Moderate enough to have a chance of beating a democratic candidate in a country sick to death of Bush. The Republican voters know this, and that's what makes him attractive.

He's also a war hero and doesn't come off as unspeakably bloodthirsty, which are pluses. Even the Republicans are sick of Bush.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,01:27   

I have a hard time coming up with a concrete opinion of the candidates.  Well, I mean I just write off all the GOP candidates right off the bat.. or rather I do know SOMETHING about them, and what I know makes my stomach turn..

But on the Obama vs Clinton contest I don't have a great deal of hard fact to work from.  Clinton has that whole experience thing, but Obama has the advantage that every time I hear him speak I feel this curious upswelling of an emotion that's completely unlike the bleak pessimism that I've felt these past Bush years.  I know that there's more to the presidency than just public speaking, but I want to see him get the position just so I can see what he does with it.  As he put it, between Cheney and Rumsfeld the Bush White House had a lot of experience, and look what it got them.

If gutting the NASA budget is what it takes to get all the other things that need doing done.. than so be it.  Believe me, I REALLY wouldn't want to see NASA's budget slashed, I understand the many practical benefits that come from that work.  It would be a stupid move.  But if the choice is between an otherwise excellent presidency and a gutted NASA or another mediocre presidency that funds NASA well, then my choice is the former.

I really hate that what I'm about to say sounds like it came from the lips of Ron Paul, but with the way things have been going lately I kind of think that the next big thing in space exploration is going to come out of private enterprise anyway.  NASA dropped the ball over a decade ago and they never picked it up again.

Rutan does what he did with Spaceship One and the best that a NASA mouthpiece can do is to poo poo the project because they spent more money developing it than they got in the X-prize reward?  Normally I'm a NASA supporter, but in that situation he should shut the hell up.  NASA's costs are rising and their output is shrinking.  The Space Shuttle (which was always an inspiration to me as a kid) is turning out to be a money hole and the best they can do is sink MORE money into it, and for a successor they come up with an Apollo era throwback that reuses Space Shuttle parts.  But because they're reusing STS parts only one of the launch configurations is even considered safe enough to put people on it.  Thus any moon missions are going to require two separate launches with two entire launch vehicles.  Oh yeah, THAT sounds like an effective cost cutting measure to me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,06:46   

Quick clarification before I'm off to the hospital:

Upon further reading, what Obama's actually advocating is delaying the Constellation (the "Moon, Mars, and beyond") program by five years.

I was a big fan of the shuttle in the beginning, but it really has disappointed me.  I expected it to be a stepping stone back into space.  Ditto the ISS.  Mostly, they've become a money pit, endlessly circling the globe for no apparent reason.  I see no great benefit to either program, even the vaunted "international cooperationism" that was so loudly touted.

Besides just plain exploratory curiosity, I'd like to see humans develop the ability to get off this rock before the extinction of the species occurs by whatever means.

I want to be on the bridge of the Enterprise at First Contact, as it were...

...or at least get high-def webcam video of naked aliens.  Either way.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,07:47   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 08 2008,06:46)
...or at least get high-def webcam video of naked aliens.  Either way.

:D

Why would you want to see the Discovery Institute Board of Directors naked?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,08:49   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 08 2008,06:47)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 08 2008,06:46)
...or at least get high-def webcam video of naked aliens.  Either way.

:D

Why would you want to see the Discovery Institute Board of Directors naked?

I'd like to get my hands on their archives.

*Pant! Pant!* ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:42   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 08 2008,09:49)
I'd like to get my hands on their archives.
*Pant! Pant!* ;)

Oooh, Kristine you sultry vamp! Can I be your paramour, err, I mean paralegal?

 
Quote (Nomad @ Jan. 08 2008,02:27)
If gutting the NASA budget is what it takes to get all the other things that need doing done.. than so be it.

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 08 2008,07:46)
I was a big fan of the shuttle in the beginning, but it really has disappointed me.  I expected it to be a stepping stone back into space.  Ditto the ISS.  Mostly, they've become a money pit, endlessly circling the globe for no apparent reason.  I see no great benefit to either program, even the vaunted "international cooperationism" that was so loudly touted.


Although a lot of new technology came out of the three early NASA programs (Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo), the agency has been patently moribund since. The shuttle was a boondoggle from the beginning (with the exception of servicing Hubble) and the ISS is even worse.

As for deciding how to vote, one criterion I've adopted is to regularly visit
PolitiFact and FactCheck.org. As election time approaches, thems what got the least lies, 'prolly got da vote. Interestingly, Pastor Huckabee (he is the subject of this thread, no?) has a goodly number of false, barely true, and half true ratings. Gotta love them fundagelical Christians!

$0.02 :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:52   

Hubble and them Mars robots were value for money.

I hope they go for a manned trip to Mars in my lifetime, or perhaps the more ambitious

HEDDLE SPACE TELESCOPE

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:53   

Seems to me the problem with NASA has been that they've been too closely linked to the political process.  Reagan says he wants a space station, they build a space station.  Bush says to make a moonbase, now they plan a moonbase.  But what the hell for?  Seems to me the best way to fix NASA is to make the process more insulated from politicians, ala the NIH.  Put decisions back in the hands of scientists and engineers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:54   

On Giuliani:
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In a bit of animal pop-psychology, (Giuliani) said that (circus) animals with a purpose in life were happier than those without one. He called objections by P.E.T.A. to animals in the circus ''weird.''


Added bits in parentheses to clarify.  Read the NY Times story for more.  He was a nut before 9/11.  Now he's a nut who knows how to milk 9/11 for votes.  Ick.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,11:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2008,11:52)
Hubble and them Mars robots were value for money.

How could I forget the Mars rovers! That project is so spectacularly successful it makes me wonder if NASA was actually involved!

$0.02

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,11:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2008,11:52)
Hubble and them Mars robots were value for money.

I hope they go for a manned trip to Mars in my lifetime, or perhaps the more ambitious

HEDDLE SPACE TELESCOPE

(smiles)

I love this site.

Big thanks to Wes and Lou and everybody else for making this the coolest site on the Intarwebs.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,11:29   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2008,11:24)
I love this site.

Big thanks to Wes and Lou and everybody else for making this the coolest site on the Intarwebs.

If you truly believe that, then maybe you should  have a heart-to-heart discussion with this chucklehead.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,11:37   

LOL. Well, yes. Think of it as some kind of Zen paradox. UD is the GRATEST SIET EVAR and also AtBC is too. The sound of three hands clapping, or something.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,13:35   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2008,11:37)
LOL. Well, yes. Think of it as some kind of Zen paradox. UD is the GRATEST SIET EVAR and also AtBC is too. The sound of three hands clapping, or something.

:D

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,13:57   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2008,10:52)
Hubble and them Mars robots were value for money.

I hope they go for a manned trip to Mars in my lifetime, or perhaps the more ambitious

HEDDLE SPACE TELESCOPE

I don't know how to respond to that!

Well, since this is a political thread, I'll just say I ain't voting for nobody. And if anyone gives me that crap about "if you don't vote, then don't complain" I plan on kicking them in the shins.

Oh, and I do intend to complain.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't want an instrument named after me. If I could have anything named after me, it'd be an "anomaly." People who have anomalies named after them are 30% cooler than people who have effects named after them, and 22% cooler than people who have instruments named after them.

edit: anomalous correction.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:01   

AND I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU A CUSHEY MISSION CONTROL JOB, TOO.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:04   

Quote (dheddle @ Jan. 08 2008,13:57)
Come to think of it, I wouldn't want an instrument named after me. If I could have anything named after me, it'd be an "anomaly." People who have anomalies named after them are 30% cooler than people who have effects named after them, and 22% cooler than people who have instruments named after them.

Yeah, but what about someone who has a unit of measure named after them?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:11   

Quote (dheddle @ Jan. 08 2008,13:57)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2008,10:52)
Hubble and them Mars robots were value for money.

I hope they go for a manned trip to Mars in my lifetime, or perhaps the more ambitious

HEDDLE SPACE TELESCOPE

Come to think of it, I wouldn't want an instrument named after me. If I could have anything named after me, it'd be an "anomaly." People who have anomalies named after them are 30% cooler than people who have effects named after them, and 22% cooler than people who have instruments named after them.

How about "The Heddle Heresy"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:14   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 08 2008,14:11)
How about "The Heddle Heresy"?

Ha!  I read that as Heddle Is A Hussey!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:17   

I'd like to offer Dave's name in connection with belly-button fuzz, THE great anomaly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:19   

A NOM NOM NOM ALY:



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:32   

Heddle's Law sounds cool.  All we need is the law.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,14:42   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,14:32)
Heddle's Law sounds cool.  All we need is the law.

Just noticed your sig. Killer quote.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,15:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 08 2008,14:42)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,14:32)
Heddle's Law sounds cool.  All we need is the law.

Just noticed your sig. Killer quote.

Thanks!  I wanted to add the nonsense he wrote about the reality of winged humanoids and "weighty" invisible realities but it was too long..

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,16:09   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2008,12:24)
(smiles)

I love this site.

Big thanks to Wes and Lou and everybody else for making this the coolest site on the Intarwebs.

Hey, I'm just the janitor, babe.  You on the other hand, are legendary.

Thank you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,16:19   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 08 2008,16:09)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2008,12:24)
(smiles)

I love this site.

Big thanks to Wes and Lou and everybody else for making this the coolest site on the Intarwebs.

Hey, I'm just the janitor, babe.  You on the other hand, are legendary.

Thank you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,17:35   

Scary, and Disturbing

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Early exit polls: GOP feelings on Bush policies
Posted: 05:50 PM ET

Should the next president:

New Hampshire Republican primary voters

Generally continue George W. Bush’s policies – 18 percent

Change to more conservative policies – 51 percent

Change to less conservative policies – 24 percent

Source: CNN Exit Poll preliminary results


ETA:

A not unexpected explanation.

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Eighteen percent of Republicans and 15 percent of Democrats said they settled on a candidate on Election Day.

A majority of Democrats said the issues were the most important factor in how they voted, while most Republicans said the candidates' personal qualities were most important to their decision.


Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 08 2008,18:38

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,10:34   

Looks like the intelligent designer (space alien) is angry with Huckabee.  He only took 11% of the vote in N.H.

Why has god forsaken Huckabee?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2008,11:02   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,14:32)
Heddle's Law sounds cool.  All we need is the law.

Since Heddle is big in physics, I suggest:

Heddles Law states that you should not wear an underwire bra in an electrical storm.  

I'm not saying he learned this empirically, you understand....

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,20:12   

Chuckleberry's getting pwned by McCain right now:

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- John McCain's victory in Tuesday's New Hampshire primary appears to be paying off.

The senator from Arizona is the front-runner in the battle for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the first national poll taken after the New Hampshire primary.

McCain has the support of 34 percent of registered Republicans in a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey out Friday. That's a 21-point jump from the last CNN/Opinion Research poll, taken in December, well before the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary earlier this month.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won the Iowa Republican caucuses, is in second place in the new survey, with 21 percent of those registered Republicans polled supporting him for the GOP nomination.


More at the link.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2008,19:38   

Via Dr. PZ

Quote (Mike Chucklehead @ January 15, 2008, MSNBC's Morning Joe)
   "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2008,22:42   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2008,19:38)
Via Dr. PZ

 
Quote (Mike Chucklehead @ January 15, 2008, MSNBC's Morning Joe)
   "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Holee Crap.  Can you imagine that guy's finger on the nuclear button?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,00:33   

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Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2008,19:38)
Via Dr. PZ

   
Quote (Mike Chucklehead @ January 15, 2008, MSNBC's Morning Joe)
   "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Holee Crap.  Can you imagine that guy's finger on the nuclear button?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,06:09   

Well.  That worked well, didn't it?

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,07:43   

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Well.  That worked well, didn't it?

Bob

South Carolina coming up, though.  Anyone care to make any predictions on that?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,08:05   

Quote (keiths @ Jan. 15 2008,22:42)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2008,19:38)
Via Dr. PZ

   
Quote (Mike Chucklehead @ January 15, 2008, MSNBC's Morning Joe)
   "I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Holee Crap.  Can you imagine that guy's finger on the nuclear button?

That wouldn't really be Huckabee's finger on the button... it would be God's.  Or one of his angels.  Or Satan.  Or one of the voices in Huckabee's head...

And if he gets his way, and since we'll be living under Biblical Law, start saving your piles of rocks now, before the price of stone goes WAY up!  Plus, you'd better get your slave quarters ready for a sudden influx, unless God says to kill all our enemies again.

So, see, it wouldn't be all that bad - just a couple of things will help us get going under the New US Theocracy.  Praise Jesus!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,09:58   

Surprisingly, Huckster didn't carry S.C.  Thompson may have siphoned off some of the evangelical vote.

I found this bit telling:

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Huckabee, the winner of the January 3 Iowa caucuses, led widely among the self-described evangelicals who made up nearly 60 percent of the vote, according to exit polls. The Baptist pastor-turned-governor sharply emphasized his conservative Christian credentials in the state and was the choice of 40 percent of those voters.

But he took only 12 percent of the nonevangelical vote, while McCain took 40 percent and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney took 21 percent.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,10:38   

I am certainly shocked that the headlines on all the papers don't read:

Baby Jesus Hates Huckabee

Refuses to do even a minimal miracle to get him votes.
Dateline Charlestown, SC

The recent results on the Rep primary reflect very poorly on former Ark Governor Mike Huckabee's relationship with The Lord.  Sources close to the Governor reported that Huckabee is now despondent, and blames his lack of votes on the waitress that kept shouting out "Oh God, Oh God" at inopportune times.  He is telling his closest supporters that they should have indeed, stoned Mary Lou, for her behavior, (even though Huckabee reportadly plied her with drink, and then asked hjer to "pray" with him.)

In a private interview, The Lord Of The Heavens & Earth,  reponded to Huckabee, calling him a "little pissant, suckup", "dumb as a pile of rocks, and only keep him around for laughs".  He further said that "one of these days, that little turd-brain's gonna get blasted.  Jesus Christ, I can't believe people actually vote for him!"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,23:12   

mmmm... Tard Gravy....

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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Chuck Norris brought his tough-guy approach to the campaign trail Sunday, taking aim at John McCain's age and suggesting the Arizona senator might not last even a single term.

Norris, an ardent supporter of Mike Huckabee, told reporters he believes serving as president accelerates the aging process 3-to-1.

"If John takes over the presidency at 72 and he ages 3-to-1, how old will he be in four years? Eighty-four years old — and can he handle that kind of pressure in that job?" Norris said, as Huckabee looked on.

"That's why I didn't pick John to support, because I'm just afraid the vice president will wind up taking over his job within that four-year presidency," added the action star.

Huckabee himself avoided offering his own opinion on whether McCain is fit for the presidency, saying "Only John McCain and his hair dresser know for sure."

Norris, who has been at Huckabee's side for weeks as the former Arkansas governor campaigns for the presidency, is hosting a fundraiser for the Republican White House hopeful at his Texas ranch Sunday.

– CNN's Eric Fiegel and Alexander Mooney


source

So who's the bigger caricatard?  cHuckleberry or Chuckleberry?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2008,02:20   

Chuck Norris.. first he promoted Bowflex (or some home gym type thing.. I'm not quite certain what it was now), now he promotes presidential candidates.

Then again, first he starred in violent action movies, now he blames violent movies for school shootings.  So.. my memory of the past must clearly be in error.  Otherwise all of this would be very, very disturbing.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,03:50   

Chuck Norris may soon find himself standing side-by-side with Keith Richards at Huckabee's campaign events:
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Back in 1975, Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards and fellow band member Ron Wood were driving from Memphis to Dallas when a patrolman in Fordyce, Ark., observed that their car was swerving and pulled them over. Richards claimed he was adjusting the radio, but he pleaded guilty to reckless driving and paid a $162.50 fine. Thirty-one years later, Richards, back in Arkansas for a Rolling Stones concert, told the audience that he "used to know the chief of police" in Fordyce. Then-Gov. Huckabee, himself a part-time bass player, was in attendance. After the show, Huckabee went backstage and seized the moment. "Keith," he said, "I can pardon you and get that off your record. You can have a clean start in Arkansas." Recalling the evening to GQ, Huck mused that perhaps this small gesture might someday lead to "my being able to give him a full pardon before God for all the things he's done."


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2008,07:45   

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Chuck Norris may soon find himself standing side-by-side with Keith Richards at Huckabee's campaign events:
 
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Back in 1975, Rolling Stones guitarist Keith Richards and fellow band member Ron Wood were driving from Memphis to Dallas when a patrolman in Fordyce, Ark., observed that their car was swerving and pulled them over. Richards claimed he was adjusting the radio, but he pleaded guilty to reckless driving and paid a $162.50 fine. Thirty-one years later, Richards, back in Arkansas for a Rolling Stones concert, told the audience that he "used to know the chief of police" in Fordyce. Then-Gov. Huckabee, himself a part-time bass player, was in attendance. After the show, Huckabee went backstage and seized the moment. "Keith," he said, "I can pardon you and get that off your record. You can have a clean start in Arkansas." Recalling the evening to GQ, Huck mused that perhaps this small gesture might someday lead to "my being able to give him a full pardon before God for all the things he's done."

I'm thinking that despite (ok, maybe because of) all the drugs and drinks, Keith Richards would make more sense in talking about any subject  than Huckabee. Wild horses couldn't convince me other wise.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,07:36   

I'm noting that all the devastating tornadoes ripping through the south are confined to states that were won by Huckabee in the Republican primaries.

Oddly, I've not heard one single fundagelical whacko preacher call it Divine Punishment yet.

Just sayin'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2008,10:12   

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I'm noting that all the devastating tornadoes ripping through the south are confined to states that were won by Huckabee in the Republican primaries.

Oddly, I've not heard one single fundagelical whacko preacher call it Divine Punishment yet.

Just sayin'.

It is clear to me that God and Rich both Hate Huckabee.

Edited:  This Just In - The dorms that were trashed by the Tornado that God Sent, was from Union University, a Southern Baptist school.  I guess this means The Big Designer hates Huckabee, and also Dembski.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2008,13:02   

This just in:  We won't have Romney to kick around any longer... the Mittenator has dropped out.

But I still don't like Huckabee...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2008,13:14   

Well, this almost made me LIKE the guy.

A future career path indicated here?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2008,14:08   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 25 2008,13:14)
Well, this almost made me LIKE the guy.

A future career path indicated here?

Yeah... he's a joke for sure.  

Can we get on with his martyrdom now?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2008,20:11   

I've edited the topic title to this thread to include Science and Anti-Science in the 2008 US political election cycle.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2008,22:11   

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Heddle's Law sounds cool.  All we need is the law.

Since Heddle is big in physics, I suggest:

Heddles Law states that you should not wear an underwire bra in an electrical storm.  

I'm not saying he learned this empirically, you understand....

I got caught in a kayak in the middle of Lake WhaLake Whatcom near Bellingham when a lightning storm blew in right quick. At first my buddy and I kinda looked up and thought, gee, this is neat. Suddenly we changed that to, gee, this is scary shit here.

We paddled like you wouldn't believe and still had to stand in a forest until it passed. Not fun. It was an active lightning storm. That's a big lake.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2008,04:24   

Try finding yourself on top of a mountain and only realizing that an electrical storm had blown in when cloud to cloud lightning hops around over your head, close enough that you can feel the static charge tingling in your hair.

I ran like hell back to my car and drove off the mountain double quick, giddy at the thought that I'd just cheated death.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2008,11:56   

What if you held a conference, and no (real) scientists came?

   
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Over the past days, many of us have received invitations to a conference called "The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change" in New York. At first sight this may look like a scientific conference - especially to those who are not familiar with the activities of the Heartland Institute, a front group for the fossil fuel industry that is sponsoring the conference. You may remember them. They were the promoters of the Avery and Singer "Unstoppable" tour and purveyors of disinformation about numerous topics such as the demise of Kilimanjaro's ice cap.

A number of things reveal that this is no ordinary scientific meeting:


HT: BlueNC

 
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This "conference" is typical of right-wing propaganda. The (dis)information serves as a prop for the ideology. These so-called scientists are not enlightened and embattled modern-day Galileo's, swimming upstream against entrenched Dark-Age conventional wisdom. No, they are more like a carnival barker on the State Fair Midway, using illusion and innuendo to appeal to your most base instincts. Remember that sick, creepy feeling you had when you finally stole a glimpse of the bearded lady? Today's attendees at Locke's fake conference ought to feel the same way, knowing they are participating in something they shouldn't. Come to think of it, I get that same sick, creepy feeling whenever I read any "research" from Locke or Civitas.


Geez, sound familiar?

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