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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,17:38   

Here's a creationist blog whose owner, Professor Smith,  presents him/herself as follows:
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First post (crossed fingers)

Hello everyone! I’m new to this so I hope everything goes well. Welcome to Professor Smith’s Weblog. First things first. Who am I? I’m a researcher at a middle-size public university on the Eastern seaboard. I am choosing to remain anonymous right now because politics is rife in academia. Until I get tenure I’d rather people not hold my political opinions against me. I am particularly sensitive about this because I support Intelligent Design science and trust me, that is considered totally beyond-the-pale among the scientific orthodoxy. But I think we’re witnessing the birth of a new science right now and it’s important to support it–and just downright interesting! How often does one see a new science come along? I will post items of note here, and I hope to inspire challenging discussion among other Intelligent Design supporters.


The blog hasn't yet attracted too many admirers apart from our own J-Dog and yours truly.  If you pay a visit now, you'll have a chance to observe a bannination in progress.  Needless to say, I've already been banned.

Enjoy!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,17:51   

To give you an idea of the scientific level, I'll point out this recent gem:
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Milk Genes

I was thinking about lactose tolerance the other day and managed to scrounge up an article that I had remembered reading.  This article relates the findings that lactose tolerance is something that evolved in humans rather recently.

The findings supports the idea that milk drinkers became widespread in Europe only after dairy farming had become established there—not the other way around.

This has been a contentious issue for some time now, about how/when lactose tolerance came about.  The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.  Why would humans undertake dairy farming if they couldn’t actually eat/drink dairy products?  This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.  If, however, we were designed to drink milk, then it is only natural that we would search for other milk sources that we could utilize.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,18:04   

Quote (olegt @ Dec. 31 2007,17:38)
Here's a creationist blog whose owner, Professor Smith,  presents him/herself as follows:

He is a commenter over at UD, too. If I remember correctly he was the one who dismissed the amazing story behind the prediction of where Tiktaalik would be found by saying "well, they just looked near water."  As if they just started digging at some random stream in someone's backyard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,18:05   

Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,18:06   

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Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

He searches for jebus in teh fracterial blagella.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,19:53   

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Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

No.  He agreed with me that he is not a physicist.  The following mind-boggling passage makes it clear that Prof. Smith is not a biologist, either:
     
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One of the less credible evolutionary stories is the supposed transition from dinosaurs to birds.  Darwinists tell us that dinosaurs didn’t die out, they simply evolved into birds with feathers and flight.  This, of course, is highly controversial and hotly debated, and rightfully so, since the evidence of this transition is highly suspect and very thin.

He/she is also not a chemist as chemists don't capitalize the names of chemical compounds:
   
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From thread Common Design and DNA (Part III).

The language of DNA - Adenine (A), Thymine (T), Guanine (G), and Cytosine ( C) - can be thought of as the ones and zeros that make your computer run, just in base 4 instead of binary and using letters instead of numbers.

And, oh, that "letters instead of numbers" gem is a good indication he/she is not a computer scientist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,21:06   

Quote (olegt @ Dec. 31 2007,17:38)
Here's a creationist blog whose owner, Professor Smith,  presents him/herself as follows:
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First post (crossed fingers)

Hello everyone! I’m new to this so I hope everything goes well. Welcome to Professor Smith’s Weblog. First things first. Who am I? I’m a researcher at a middle-size public university on the Eastern seaboard. I am choosing to remain anonymous right now because politics is rife in academia. Until I get tenure I’d rather people not hold my political opinions against me. I am particularly sensitive about this because I support Intelligent Design science and trust me, that is considered totally beyond-the-pale among the scientific orthodoxy. But I think we’re witnessing the birth of a new science right now and it’s important to support it–and just downright interesting! How often does one see a new science come along? I will post items of note here, and I hope to inspire challenging discussion among other Intelligent Design supporters.


The blog hasn't yet attracted too many admirers apart from our own J-Dog and yours truly.  If you pay a visit now, you'll have a chance to observe a bannination in progress.  Needless to say, I've already been banned.

Enjoy!

Thanks - Yeah - I was trying to get my sock puppet some ID street Cred by posting at an ID friendly site, but it got to be very difficult to maintain the seperate identities.

I finally realized that to be a good little ID poster, it would be really helpful to be a believer like BA77, DaveScot, Denyse, Dr. Bill or ftk, and I really didn't want to spend the years in therapy necessary to maintain that fiction, and then try to get back to a normal thinking pattern.  

Happy new year all -

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,21:11   

I have a feeling the good professor is going to be fun.

ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 31 2007,22:12

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,21:23   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,21:11)
ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

You might wanna check with the legal dep't at Fox News before using it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,21:36   

Quote (olegt @ Dec. 31 2007,19:53)
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Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

No.  He agreed with me that he is not a physicist.  The following mind-boggling passage makes it clear that Prof. Smith is not a biologist, either:
     
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One of the less credible evolutionary stories is the supposed transition from dinosaurs to birds.  Darwinists tell us that dinosaurs didn’t die out, they simply evolved into birds with feathers and flight.  This, of course, is highly controversial and hotly debated, and rightfully so, since the evidence of this transition is highly suspect and very thin.

He/she is also not a chemist as chemists don't capitalize the names of chemical compounds:
     
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From thread Common Design and DNA (Part III).

The language of DNA - Adenine (A), Thymine (T), Guanine (G), and Cytosine ( C) - can be thought of as the ones and zeros that make your computer run, just in base 4 instead of binary and using letters instead of numbers.

And, oh, that "letters instead of numbers" gem is a good indication he/she is not a computer scientist.

Or a mathematician. All mathematicians understand what it means to be in base 2 vs base 4, and would commit seppuku before they'd say anything that imprecise, computer scientist or no.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,21:38   

I submitted the following, but it is "awaiting moderation" so don't expect to see it:

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The problem with ID is that it is simply not science. Its origins are clearly religious, and in fact, a particularly narrow segment of religious belief.

ID came into renewed vogue after the Edwards v. Aguillard decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, which banned creation “science” from the schools.

Failing to make the grade as a science, ID has been promoted, largely by the Discovery Institute and its herd of lawyers, PR flaks, English majors, journalists and other “scientists.”

Their whole sordid scheme was leaked nearly ten years ago — the notorious Wedge Strategy, but they have continued to follow the plan, pushing ID in the media instead of in the technical scientific journals. The reason? They don’t qualify for the scientific journals because they don’t follow the scientific method. Invoking an unnamed, unverified, and unverifiable deity as the source for natural phenomena is about as anti-scientific as you can get.

And if you, professor, are a closet IDer, hiding your anti-science beliefs until you get tenure, you are following the Wedge Strategy to a “T”. And, in my opinion, being dishonest.

Any affiliation or contact with the Discovery Institute you would like to tell us about? Are you one of their tame Fellows or something?



  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,22:24   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,22:11)
I have a feeling the good professor is going to be fun.

ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Dibs on "errortainment."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,22:28   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 31 2007,22:24)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,22:11)
I have a feeling the good professor is going to be fun.

ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Dibs on "errortainment."

search says it's already in the UD discussion thread.

You Creobotty pubjacker, you!

*Unless you were making fun of a chineses saying entertainment. You bad homo bigot, you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 31 2007,23:52   

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Why would humans undertake dairy farming if they couldn?t actually eat/drink dairy products?


If I were to take a guess, I'd guess that humans undertook cattle farming. Initially for the meat.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,00:33   

As teh google is empty, I'm claiming coinage on that, Creative Commons, no commercial, attribution license.

I had something funny to say, but I forgot and I'm blaming the wine.

Just laugh and pretend it was funny.  It involved large farm animals and sex.

ETA: ...and Reciprocating Bill.

Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 01 2008,01:35

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,04:15   

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Why would humans undertake dairy farming if they couldn?t actually eat/drink dairy products?

Perhaps because mature cheese contains very little lactose?  In addition to simply eating the critters, as was mentioned above?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,07:16   

Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 31 2007,22:36)
Quote (olegt @ Dec. 31 2007,19:53)
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 31 2007,18:05)
Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

No.  He agreed with me that he is not a physicist.  The following mind-boggling passage makes it clear that Prof. Smith is not a biologist, either:
       
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One of the less credible evolutionary stories is the supposed transition from dinosaurs to birds.  Darwinists tell us that dinosaurs didn’t die out, they simply evolved into birds with feathers and flight.  This, of course, is highly controversial and hotly debated, and rightfully so, since the evidence of this transition is highly suspect and very thin.

He/she is also not a chemist as chemists don't capitalize the names of chemical compounds:
     
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From thread Common Design and DNA (Part III).

The language of DNA - Adenine (A), Thymine (T), Guanine (G), and Cytosine ( C) - can be thought of as the ones and zeros that make your computer run, just in base 4 instead of binary and using letters instead of numbers.

And, oh, that "letters instead of numbers" gem is a good indication he/she is not a computer scientist.

Or a mathematician. All mathematicians understand what it means to be in base 2 vs base 4, and would commit seppuku before they'd say anything that imprecise, computer scientist or no.

He's (or she?) is probably a professor of eating cheetos in his (her?) mom's basement.  What if this prof. Smith actually learned to eat cheetos from the master DT?  In that case, his (her?) tard fu might be very strong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,08:55   

I know this person.  They had a different blog before and linked to me... lemme do some hunting to see if I can find the old site.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,09:06   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 31 2007,22:24)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,22:11)
I have a feeling the good professor is going to be fun.

ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Dibs on "errortainment."

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ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Dibs on "errortainment."

Ditto on "entertardment".

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,09:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 31 2007,23:28)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 31 2007,22:24)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,22:11)
I have a feeling the good professor is going to be fun.

ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

Dibs on "errortainment."

search says it's already in the UD discussion thread.

You Creobotty pubjacker, you!

*Unless you were making fun of a chineses saying entertainment. You bad homo bigot, you.

Yeah, but that was me!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,10:47   

Quote (ERV @ Jan. 01 2008,08:55)
I know this person.  They had a different blog before and linked to me... lemme do some hunting to see if I can find the old site.

I'm guessing you don't mean this person:
http://professorsmith.vox.com/

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:00   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 01 2008,11:47)
Quote (ERV @ Jan. 01 2008,08:55)
I know this person.  They had a different blog before and linked to me... lemme do some hunting to see if I can find the old site.

I'm guessing you don't mean this person:
http://professorsmith.vox.com/

Bob

So prof. Smith is some high school chick?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:05   

Quote (GCT @ Jan. 01 2008,12:00)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 01 2008,11:47)
 
Quote (ERV @ Jan. 01 2008,08:55)
I know this person.  They had a different blog before and linked to me... lemme do some hunting to see if I can find the old site.

I'm guessing you don't mean this person:
http://professorsmith.vox.com/

Bob

So prof. Smith is some high school chick?

(S)He doesn't read like a high schooler.

But (s)he is apparently familiar with JanieBelle (and not in the Biblical sense).

Well that spoiled a little fun...

:angry:

ETA: Let's see what happens when Janie pokes the professor with a stick.

Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 01 2008,12:11

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:24   

Sorry oleg.  Same person and same blog, they just dont have an archive in the side-bar.  Thought I would have been able to find more info for ya.

From Ian Ramjohns blog:
 
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Not a Fair Fight - “Professor Smith”, a “researcher at a middle-size public university on the Eastern seaboard” and ID supporter, attacks Abbie and the rest of “the materialists” for “attacking en masse with underhanded comments and ambushes“. It appears that “Professor Smith” didn’t bother to delve too deeply into the facts of the matter (”He was invited to speak, although the accounts that I’ve read make it sound more like an ambush“) before attacking Abbie for, among other things “underhanded tactic of poisoning the well by attacking the commenters on Dembski’s blog“. She’s invited to discuss the matter at UD, gets banned after three comments, attacked there, attacked at her blog…and dear old “Professor Smith” calls it “underhand” and “well poisoning” to mention that fact. He continues “So, either he censures comments and is criticized for hiding, or he doesn’t and is criticized for what others say?” I sure hope that Smith is simply speaking out of an ignorance he couldn’t be bothered to correct. Anyone who knows anything about UD knows that (a) they delete comments and ban participants who disagree with them; and (b) the people who attacked Abbie are the people Dembski picked to manage the blog. His final sentence is especially amusing: “It should be about science, but when you don’t have science on your side, you have to resort to something, right?” Umm, yeah, that’s pretty much how the IDists operate: since they have yet to come up with a single scientific contribution, they engage in obfuscation, misdirection and smear campaigns. Projection on the part of “Professor Smith”?


That last comment was especially funny since my question to Dembski in the Q&A was "If youve got so much science on your side, why do you need to attack students like this?"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:31   

So the guy (girl) is really a professor (and a he?), or just full of crap engaging in a little street theatre?  

Has that been determined?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:41   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 01 2008,12:31)
So the guy (girl) is really a professor (and a he?), or just full of crap engaging in a little street theatre?  

Has that been determined?

There's no way that chick is a professor.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,11:52   

Not a very smart professor, although smart for a creationist professor.

Picture this:  ID supporting professor awaiting tenure.  Shhhhhh, must maintain low pwofile.  Iz be hunted by darwinists.  So, what's the best way to lay low?  Open up a blog on the Internet!  Shake those breadcrumbs everywhere!  Use reverse creation psychology.  Deh neveh finds me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,12:31   

ERV, it's likely that I, too, first learned about professorsmith from Ian's post.  

GCT, I have observed professorsmith for a while and I strongly doubt that he/she is a faculty member anywhere.  His/her view of academia packed with scheming materialists is such a bad caricature that I can't help laughing.  

Take this description of his/her regular lunches with a colleague.
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I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

Dr. R. has reasserted himself, this time not so pleasantly. I am supposing he didn’t enjoy being pressed the way I pressed him during our last meeting - and especially being compelled to admit so many shortcomings in his world-view, and even confess a need for faith. I suppose once alone he felt faintly embarrassed by the whole thing. Or perhaps he got with materialist colleagues who bucked up his materialist resolve. Whatever, he came at me with guns blazing today. We talked until after the restaurant had cleared. Most of his assertions themselves were articles of faith really, although he pressed them as though they were gold plated facts. I had my hands full.

Really?  Faculty rarely go for lunch to a restaurant for no particular reason (such as to treat a visitor).  University cafeteria, maybe.  And we don't sit around arguing until the restaurant had cleared: it's noon and there's work to do!  

But professorsmith seems to have a lot of time on his/her hands.  Check out the regular Dog Sunday feature on that blog.  Time stamps on photographs featured in those posts show that he/she can afford to ditch work and spend a couple of hours.  In the woods.  At midday on a Wednesday.  In the middle of a semester!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,12:35   

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But professorsmith seems to have a lot of time on his/her hands.  Check out the regular Dog Sunday feature on that blog.  Time stamps on photographs featured in those posts show that he/she can afford to ditch work and spend a couple of hours.  In the woods.  At midday on a Wednesday.  In the middle of a semester!

While I was at Marshall, I had a teacher who only taught during the day on M/W/F, and on T/Th only taught evening classes.

Admittedly, she was not a full professor, so I don't know if that makes any difference.

Just sayin'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,12:45   

Lou, this is a guy/gal who claims to be a researcher three years from tenure.  An assistant prof is supposed to be working his/her ass off teaching, working in the lab, writing papers, getting grants and supervising grad students.  Spending a couple of hours with dogs at midday usually doesn't fit in this schedule.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,12:49   

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Lou, this is a guy/gal who claims to be a researcher three years from tenure.  An assistant prof is supposed to be working his/her ass off teaching, working in the lab, writing papers, getting grants and supervising grad students.  Spending a couple of hours with dogs at midday usually doesn't fit in this schedule.

Ahhh...

Thanks.  I hadn't delved that deep.

So, teacher at best, self-made Dell bajillionaire autodictator extreme pissomorph at worst?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,12:59   

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To give you an idea of the scientific level, I'll point out this recent gem:
 
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Milk Genes

I was thinking about lactose tolerance the other day and managed to scrounge up an article that I had remembered reading.  This article relates the findings that lactose tolerance is something that evolved in humans rather recently.

The findings supports the idea that milk drinkers became widespread in Europe only after dairy farming had become established there—not the other way around.

This has been a contentious issue for some time now, about how/when lactose tolerance came about.  The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.  Why would humans undertake dairy farming if they couldn’t actually eat/drink dairy products?  This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.  If, however, we were designed to drink milk, then it is only natural that we would search for other milk sources that we could utilize.

I replied:

The Late Neolithic and Early Bronze archaeology of Mesopotamia sheds an interesting light on the early status of pre-domesticated cattle.    The iconography of Sumeria used the bull’s horns as signs of divinity with as many as 14 pairs worn as a helmet by the supreme god Anu, or An.   Even after the domestication of cattle in the bronze age, wild cattle were hunted by Neo-Assyrian kings who wore two pair as symbols of their power.  The Ugaritic texts form a critical corpus to understand much of the early Bible. There, the king Nimrod is renowned for his ability to hunt cattle which he provided to feasts of the gods hosted by El, and Bal Hadad, to which selected kings were invited.  Nimrod was also attested biblically.

You can get a quick introduction to this in;

Cross, Frank Moore
1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel.  Boston: Harvard University Press

Dalley, Stephanie
2000 Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised Oxford: Oxford University Press

Black, Jeremy, Anthony Green, Tessa Rickards (illustrator)
2003 "Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia" Austin: University of Texas Press.

The domestication of cattle, and even dairy farming clearly preceded the bulk of the biblical texts, as we read in Exodus  3:8.  “And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.”  We can assume the reference is to cattle, or goats milk, although, human milk “on the leg” as it were, was a beverage served at feasts for gods and kings, and is obliquely referred to biblically in Psalm 89:5-6 which is derived from the incipit to an Ugaritic praise hymn. (See  Pardee, Dennis 2002 Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, and Dahood, Mitchell 1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes  New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday and 1968 Psalms II, 51-100: Introduction, Translation and Notes  New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday).

This brief note is merely to observe that the interactions between humans and cattle are ancient, and important.  And, more obviously, there is much more to cattle than raw milk.  Without doubt, the original motive for domestication of cattle was for meat, hides, and not milk to drink.  

You have made some gross errors when concluding that “The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.”  And “This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.”  

First, you should already realize that drinking raw milk was rare in the ancient past, and is actually rare today except among northern and central European populations.  However, fermented milk products such as yogurt, and cheese are far more common and do not require the same lactose tolerance that drinking milk does.  So without much grasp of biology or archaeology, you should have known that the PNAS article could not represent, “… a tough problem for evolution.”  This would be true even of a good reading of the popular press blurb in National Geographic.

Second, you relied on a popularized blurb from secondary sources to rest your very sweeping conclusions.  This is always a mistake, one a professor ought to know to avoid.   You should read the original article, “Absence of the lactase-persistence-associated allele in early Neolithic Europeans” J. Burger, M. Kirchner, B. Bramanti, W. Haak, and M. G. Thomas, PNAS | March 6, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 10 | 3736-3741 http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/10/3736

The article is quite interesting and I am sure you will enjoy it and learn a good deal about evolution.

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To give you an idea of the scientific level, I'll point out this recent gem:
   
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Milk Genes

I was thinking about lactose tolerance the other day and managed to scrounge up an article that I had remembered reading.  This article relates the findings that lactose tolerance is something that evolved in humans rather recently.

The findings supports the idea that milk drinkers became widespread in Europe only after dairy farming had become established there—not the other way around.

This has been a contentious issue for some time now, about how/when lactose tolerance came about.  The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.  Why would humans undertake dairy farming if they couldn’t actually eat/drink dairy products?  This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.  If, however, we were designed to drink milk, then it is only natural that we would search for other milk sources that we could utilize.

I replied:

The Late Neolithic and Early Bronze archaeology of Mesopotamia sheds an interesting light on the early status of pre-domesticated cattle.    The iconography of Sumeria used the bull’s horns as signs of divinity with as many as 14 pairs worn as a helmet by the supreme god Anu, or An.   Even after the domestication of cattle in the bronze age, wild cattle were hunted by Neo-Assyrian kings who wore two pair as symbols of their power.  The Ugaritic texts form a critical corpus to understand much of the early Bible. There, the king Nimrod is renowned for his ability to hunt cattle which he provided to feasts of the gods hosted by El, and Bal Hadad, to which selected kings were invited.  Nimrod was also attested biblically.

You can get a quick introduction to this in;

Cross, Frank Moore
1973 Canaanite Myth and Hebrew Epic: Essays in the History of the Religion of Israel.  Boston: Harvard University Press

Dalley, Stephanie
2000 Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, The Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others. Revised Oxford: Oxford University Press

Black, Jeremy, Anthony Green, Tessa Rickards (illustrator)
2003 "Gods, Demons and Symbols of Ancient Mesopotamia" Austin: University of Texas Press.

The domestication of cattle, and even dairy farming clearly preceded the bulk of the biblical texts, as we read in Exodus  3:8.  “And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.”  We can assume the reference is to cattle, or goats milk, although, human milk “on the leg” as it were, was a beverage served at feasts for gods and kings, and is obliquely referred to biblically in Psalm 89:5-6 which is derived from the incipit to an Ugaritic praise hymn. (See  Pardee, Dennis 2002 Writings from the Ancient World Vol. 10: Ritual and Cult at Ugarit Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, and Dahood, Mitchell 1965 Psalms I, 1-50: Introduction, Translation and Notes  New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday and 1968 Psalms II, 51-100: Introduction, Translation and Notes  New York: Anchor Bible- Doubleday).

This brief note is merely to observe that the interactions between humans and cattle are ancient, and important.  And, more obviously, there is much more to cattle than raw milk.  Without doubt, the original motive for domestication of cattle was for meat, hides, and not milk to drink.  

You have made some gross errors when concluding that “The new findings support that lactose tolerance came about after dairy farming was established, and this presents a tough problem for evolution.”  And “This question alone is enough to dispel the evolutionary hypothesis.”  

First, you should already realize that drinking raw milk was rare in the ancient past, and is actually rare today except among northern and central European populations.  However, fermented milk products such as yogurt, and cheese are far more common and do not require the same lactose tolerance that drinking milk does.  So without much grasp of biology or archaeology, you should have known that the PNAS article could not represent, “… a tough problem for evolution.”  This would be true even of a good reading of the popular press blurb in National Geographic.

Second, you relied on a popularized blurb from secondary sources to rest your very sweeping conclusions.  This is always a mistake, one a professor ought to know to avoid.   You should read the original article, “Absence of the lactase-persistence-associated allele in early Neolithic Europeans” J. Burger, M. Kirchner, B. Bramanti, W. Haak, and M. G. Thomas, PNAS | March 6, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 10 | 3736-3741 http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/10/3736

The article is quite interesting and I am sure you will enjoy it and learn a good deal about evolution.

Looks like your reply is still sitting in the moderation queue.  Will it ever see the light of day?  Stay tuned. . .

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,13:10   

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Lou, this is a guy/gal who claims to be a researcher three years from tenure.  An assistant prof is supposed to be working his/her ass off teaching, working in the lab, writing papers, getting grants and supervising grad students.  Spending a couple of hours with dogs at midday usually doesn't fit in this schedule.

After reading a few more of the "prof" Smith posts, I would guess they are a journalism major.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,16:09   

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GCT, I have observed professorsmith for a while and I strongly doubt that he/she is a faculty member anywhere.  His/her view of academia packed with scheming materialists is such a bad caricature that I can't help laughing.  

Point taken, I was just talkin' about that chick.  I wonder if she's that stupid that she thinks she can put up a blog, act like a professor, and no one will link it back to her other blog, <b>which has the same name fer Xsakes!</b>

Although, how do you know that professors don't ever go out to lunch?  That seems a pretty bold statement to make.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,16:29   

GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

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GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

I'm just sayin' it's still a bold statement.  It's tripping my no true Scotsman filter.  This Prof. Smith is obviously not who (s)he says (s)he is, but I don't think we need to make such sweeping statements either.

  
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GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

I'm just sayin' it's still a bold statement.  It's tripping my no true Scotsman filter.  This Prof. Smith is obviously not who (s)he says (s)he is, but I don't think we need to make such sweeping statements either.

GCT has a point.  In all fairness to Professor Tardsmith, I'm withdrawing judgement pending further information.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,20:13   

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Lou, this is a guy/gal who claims to be a researcher three years from tenure.  An assistant prof is supposed to be working his/her ass off teaching, working in the lab, writing papers, getting grants and supervising grad students.  Spending a couple of hours with dogs at midday usually doesn't fit in this schedule.

Olegt would have incorrectly concluded that Guillermo Gonzalez was also not a professor.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,20:29   

It wouldn't surprise me if this were legit. I glanced at the site for a few minutes and whoever Professor Smith is, he/she appears to be educated. No Davetard / FtK / Gil Dodgen - type ignorant rants. I wouldn't be surprised if it's another Behe - type religious zealot. The pseudonym is not surprising. Mike Gene does the same thing, and I'm pretty sure Behe waited til he had tenure before he revealed his ID BS.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,21:11   

Well, JanieBelle's tweaked his nose a few times and he hasn't gone ballistic just yet (a little snotty perhaps).  Also, the Nixplanitory Filter Plugin may not be installed at WP.com, as her comments are still appearing.

ETA: For whatever that's worth.

Edited by Lou FCD on Jan. 01 2008,22:16

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,21:22   

Well, at least Professor Smith's site is not over-run with BA77's  and bornes and ftks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,21:26   

It will be. Smith himself/herself might be intelligent, but the rank and file, eh, not so much.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 01 2008,21:28   

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GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

I'm just sayin' it's still a bold statement.  It's tripping my no true Scotsman filter.  This Prof. Smith is obviously not who (s)he says (s)he is, but I don't think we need to make such sweeping statements either.

GCT,

Let's not get hung up on this minor point.  I speak from personal experience acquired on several campuses, but maybe I'm generalizing a bit.  It's not important.  

The story with Dr. R. is ridiculous on another level.  On the one hand, professorsmith is hiding his/her creationist ideology from "materialist" colleagues until tenure.  On the other, he/she is openly arguing a creationist stance before Dr. R., who is also a colleague.  Why risk blowing cover if it supposedly is so dangerous?  That doesn't make sense.

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Quote (olegt @ Jan. 01 2008,22:28)
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GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

I'm just sayin' it's still a bold statement.  It's tripping my no true Scotsman filter.  This Prof. Smith is obviously not who (s)he says (s)he is, but I don't think we need to make such sweeping statements either.

GCT,

Let's not get hung up on this minor point.  I speak from personal experience acquired on several campuses, but maybe I'm generalizing a bit.  It's not important.  

The story with Dr. R. is ridiculous on another level.  On the one hand, professorsmith is hiding his/her creationist ideology from "materialist" colleagues until tenure.  On the other, he/she is openly arguing a creationist stance before Dr. R., who is also a colleague.  Why risk blowing cover if it supposedly is so dangerous?  That doesn't make sense.

That's fine, I'm not worrying about a minor point.  I simply don't like to see bad arguments used.

You're right though that this prof. Smith is talking to a colleague yet is worried about the scary Darwinists and their hordes of militant followers ruining his career?  It's a little odd.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,17:17   

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ERV, it's likely that I, too, first learned about professorsmith from Ian's post.  

GCT, I have observed professorsmith for a while and I strongly doubt that he/she is a faculty member anywhere.  His/her view of academia packed with scheming materialists is such a bad caricature that I can't help laughing.  

...

Really?  Faculty rarely go for lunch to a restaurant for no particular reason (such as to treat a visitor).  University cafeteria, maybe.  And we don't sit around arguing until the restaurant had cleared: it's noon and there's work to do!  

But professorsmith seems to have a lot of time on his/her hands.  Check out the regular Dog Sunday feature on that blog.  Time stamps on photographs featured in those posts show that he/she can afford to ditch work and spend a couple of hours.  In the woods.  At midday on a Wednesday.  In the middle of a semester!

No, oleg, I agree with you.  If they are in academia, they arent in science.

From my very, very limited exposure to academia as a lifestyle, I completely agree with you about the strangeness of the long lunches/afternoons to play with pups/etc.  Even where I went to college, a public liberal arts university where hard-core research was not a priority, my proffs didnt ever screw around with their dogs in the middle of the day-- They were always in their offices/classrooms/labs.

My BS meter is going off too.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,19:02   

I wrote much of my diseration in my garden.  When I taught at the Medical College of Georgia (which offered me tenure) I rarely came in before 12 noon.  (I liked to work until ~4 am).

The reason that "Prof" Smith is not a scientist is that they are pathetically ignorant of science.

They are too chicken to post my reply to their "milk gene" bull shit.

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 02 2008,17:04

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,19:08   

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I wrote much of my diseration in my garden.  When I taught at the Medical College of Georgia (which offered me tenure) I rarely came in before 12 noon.  (I liked to work until ~4 am).

I wrote chapter 5 of my dissertation at the beach one summer.

My dissertation advisor came to campus about 2-3 days a week on average, and was usually gone again by 1pm. In the humanities this is not really unusual.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2008,21:15   

Last year I was actually thinking of doing a post doc to play out an idea I have about chriality and abiogensis.  I hung around with some bio grad students for a week or so, helping them with a project.

The scene seems to have become industrial- grind grind.  Put me off the whole idea.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,03:42   

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Has he given any indication at either his blog or UD as to what he researches?

No.  He agreed with me that he is not a physicist.  The following mind-boggling passage makes it clear that Prof. Smith is not a biologist, either:
     
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One of the less credible evolutionary stories is the supposed transition from dinosaurs to birds.  Darwinists tell us that dinosaurs didn’t die out, they simply evolved into birds with feathers and flight.  This, of course, is highly controversial and hotly debated, and rightfully so, since the evidence of this transition is highly suspect and very thin.

He's right, that's what paloentologists tell us.
From an evolutionary point of view, birds are dinosaurs, so dinosaurs didn't die out.

Anyway, Smith could just be a biologist who doesn't know much about the ToE and likes carricaturing it, à la John Davison.

  
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GCT,

That statement was qualified.  As to the chick, she and our subject are not related.

I'm just sayin' it's still a bold statement.  It's tripping my no true Scotsman filter.  This Prof. Smith is obviously not who (s)he says (s)he is, but I don't think we need to make such sweeping statements either.

GCT,

Let's not get hung up on this minor point.  I speak from personal experience acquired on several campuses, but maybe I'm generalizing a bit.  It's not important.  

The story with Dr. R. is ridiculous on another level.  On the one hand, professorsmith is hiding his/her creationist ideology from "materialist" colleagues until tenure.  On the other, he/she is openly arguing a creationist stance before Dr. R., who is also a colleague.  Why risk blowing cover if it supposedly is so dangerous?  That doesn't make sense.

Maybe this ProfessorSmith is a professor in the same way that Joe Gallien is a 'scientist'?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,08:53   

jeannot,

You may be right, but I just can't imagine a tenure-track professor of biology that ignorant of evolution.  

There are other signs as well.  He/she misspells the word pheromone.  In the same post we are told that "The nervous and endocrine systems are highly entertwined, much as the brain and mind are intertwined."  

Or examine the thread Hairy Design and you'll see that professorsmith can't access subscription-only science journals from home.  Anyone affiliated with a university can do that using a proxy server!  A tenure-track researcher surely would know about that.

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jeannot,

You may be right, but I just can't imagine a tenure-track professor of biology that ignorant of evolution.  

There are other signs as well.  He/she misspells the word pheromone.  In the same post we are told that "The nervous and endocrine systems are highly entertwined, much as the brain and mind are intertwined."  

Or examine the thread Hairy Design and you'll see that professorsmith can't access subscription-only science journals from home.  Anyone affiliated with a university can do that using a proxy server!  A tenure-track researcher surely would know about that.

Keep in mind that fundamentalists like Smith are not consistent. Have you read John Davison's nonsense about natural selection? Yet he was a biologist.

The "Phermones" thing is disturbing indeed.

Most of the scientists I know here in France (including professors) wouldn't know how to set a proxy server in order to access their journals from their home computer. Everything is set by network technicians in the lab and researchers don't want to know how it works.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,11:28   

So a tard creationist is running a blog and pretending he's a scientist while it's obvious to anyone he doesn't know shit about biology or evolution.  

We're talking about Bill Dembski here, yes?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,12:11   

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So a tard creationist is running a blog and pretending he's a scientist while it's obvious to anyone he doesn't know shit about biology or evolution.  

We're talking about Bill Dembski here, yes?

Ha!  But actually, I wonder if this is a UD Sycophant?  That would explain a lot.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,12:30   

Bah!

professorsmith:
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I was looking through the eTOC (electronic Table Of Contents, for those of you not in academia) for Nature today, and saw this:


News and Views
Nature 451, 22-23 (3 January 2008) | DOI:10.1038/451022b; Published online 2 January 2008

Magnetism: Freedom for the poles
Oleg Tchernyshyov1

Yes, my new friend olegt and managed to get a piece into Nature.

From what I understand of the article, someone has shown that it is possible, in theory, for magnets (like bar magnets) to only have one pole.  This is the stuff of science fiction, but is it any more use than Darwinism?

Well done Dr. Tchernyshyov!


This is written with the intellectual maturity of an intelligent adolescent.  Anyone want to wager that professorsmith is a sockpuppet of Slimy Sal?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,12:36   

Yeah, it looks like the adoration is mutual.  :p

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Bah!

This is written with the intellectual maturity of an intelligent adolescent.  Anyone want to wager that professorsmith is a sockpuppet of Slimy Sal?

I don't think so. Sal wouldn't be able to resist stating that he was published in Nature first.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,14:21   

*squint*

When did you tell him/her your last name?

I didnt know until Dembski told Sal on my blog.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,14:33   

ERV - unless Oleg has changed his account recently, he appears on Prof. Smith's blog as Oleg Tchernyshyov.

FWIW, I also noticed the name today and thought "that looks familiar!".

Well done Oleg on getting something into Nature!  I guess you and Prof. Smith are poles apart.

*ahem*

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,14:35   

ERV, I comment on that blog under my full name.  The question is how does he/she know I'm olegt?  We must have met! :O

Bob, it wasn't my fault, really.  Nature asked me to comment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,16:30   

I'm chatting with Prof. Smith over designing an experiment for positive proof of ID. Should be fun!

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I'm chatting with Prof. Smith over designing an experiment for positive proof of ID. Should be fun!

Rich - At the rate Dembski, Behe and the other DI minions are spending money, the DI would save a ton of money by firing their worthless asses (or arses as you Brits say) and be happy to pay your bill for services due for a gajillion billion dollars, cuz they'll still save money.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 03 2008,21:23   

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Bah!

professorsmith:
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I was looking through the eTOC (electronic Table Of Contents, for those of you not in academia) for Nature today, and saw this:


News and Views
Nature 451, 22-23 (3 January 2008) | DOI:10.1038/451022b; Published online 2 January 2008

Magnetism: Freedom for the poles
Oleg Tchernyshyov1

Yes, my new friend olegt and managed to get a piece into Nature.

From what I understand of the article, someone has shown that it is possible, in theory, for magnets (like bar magnets) to only have one pole.  This is the stuff of science fiction, but is it any more use than Darwinism?

Well done Dr. Tchernyshyov!


This is written with the intellectual maturity of an intelligent adolescent.  Anyone want to wager that professorsmith is a sockpuppet of Slimy Sal?

Could explain why he refuses to let any of my comments through moderation....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,14:20   

In response to Professor Smith's latest post, titled "Darwinist Indoctrination," I posted the following:

As a counter to the article you cite, here is another article that might provide some much-needed balance:

The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name: The Case Against Intelligent Design
Jerry Coyne

http://pondside.uchicago.edu/cluster/pdf/coyne/New_Republic_ID.pdf

It is "awaiting moderation" so it will probably never see the light of day.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,19:48   

I'm in moderation now too. I was quite keen to do some frontloading experiments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,19:55   

With my limited engagement with Professor Smith, it seems fairly clear he is not a professor of any science.  He seems to even be thrown off by relatively common modes of speech (for example, "the model you propose isn't the simplest one").

He's either a professor at a typing school, or he's lying.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2008,20:12   

Another one for the "Professor":


Coyote // January 5, 2008 at 2:11 am

professorsmith // January 4, 2008 at 11:48 pm

I have nothing against Jerry Coyne except that I think he is misguided.

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Do you have any evidence that he is incorrect?

The evidence on ID seems quite clear: it is simply creation “science” relabeled following the Edwards v. Aguillard decision by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Wedge Strategy lays out the entire process that the Discovery Institute has been following since the early 1990s.

The Kitzmiller v. Dover case was the chance for creationists to make their case, but many of them chickened out, even one who had been salivating at the chance to ask questions of “Darwinists” under oath.

And, ID was firmly linked to creationism during the trial by a lot of evidence, including the cut-and-pastes made to the “Pandas and People” book, changing “creation” to “design” but otherwise staying the same.

You claim Coyne is misguided. I think he is seeing the dishonest morphing of creation “science” into ID quite clearly. Perhaps you are the one who is misguided?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,11:39   

Another gem from professorsmith, in response to Rich:
 
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I’ve changed my mind and allowed Rich’s latest missive to go through because I think an important point needs to be made here.

1) Blogs are not classrooms. I would not treat my classroom as a blog just as I’m not treating my blog as a classroom.

2) But, more importantly, I do to some extent want my students to look things up, to see for themselves. I want my students to learn critical thinking (they certainly don’t get it in high school biology) and not to simply take in whatever they are told as fact. That is the key difference here. The Darwinist gets upset when asked to do a little work or to look things up. The Darwinist already knows the answer as specified by her worldview. The Darwinist has no need for studying the problem or getting information from multiple sources. The Darwinist gets upset when I tell her to go look at a link and actually read it. The Darwinist is unscientific. The Darwinist would rather I teach my class some dogmatic, uncritical pablum and present it as fact.

So, to answer your question, Rich, yes and no. I do encourage my students to look things up and see for themselves. I do encourage my students to explore links and read more thoroughly on the subject. It’s a shame that you think expanding your knowledge is a bad thing.


This person has no idea what teaching looks like from this side of the classroom.  I barely have time to cover the material my students have come to learn.  There's no time for remedial lessons in logic.  It's higher education, for crying out loud!  

And students who can't be bothered to click on a link?  It would be their problem, not mine.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,13:40   

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1) Blogs are not classrooms. I would not treat my classroom as a blog just as I’m not treating my blog as a classroom.

IMA TEACHER! IMA TEACHER! I SWEAR! LOOK AT ME TALK ABOUT A CLASSROOM!

   
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The Darwinist gets upset when I tell her to go look at a link and actually read it.

I do encourage my students to explore links and read more thoroughly on the subject.

What?

Professor Smith: "Hello class.  Today we are going to be learning about ubiquitination.  Please open up your textbook to page 456 and click on the links.  Im going to go play with my dogs."

Student: "But books dont have links, Dr. Smith.  And arent you supposed to be our teacher?"

Professor Smith: "DARWINIST!!!!!!!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,14:05   

Professorsmith claims that s/he is a researcher. While most of us here associate that with doing scientific research, it is not necessarily so. Anyone that studies anything for a living can call themselves a researcher, and this person's probably doing his research in the arts, rather than the sciences. Obviously readers are intended to come away with the impression that this is a scientist, so this is another case of intentional misleading without technically lying.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,14:16   

argystokes,

No, he/she claims to be a scientist:
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My purpose as a scientist is to try to understand the world.  We see patterns in the world: Nature is full of hidden messages for us to decipher.  Poor materialist scientists have no way of knowing this: they are short-sighted and see only randomness.

The quote is wickedly funny, by the way.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,14:27   

Quote (olegt @ Jan. 05 2008,12:16)
argystokes,

No, he/she claims to be a scientist:
 
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My purpose as a scientist is to try to understand the world.  We see patterns in the world: Nature is full of hidden messages for us to decipher.  Poor materialist scientists have no way of knowing this: they are short-sighted and see only randomness.

The quote is wickedly funny, by the way.

Well, that's interesting. Also interesting is the contempt he shows for his "colleagues." There's a lot of dishonesty within the ID movement, but very few people are willing to make false claims about their own self (Joe G comes to mind). Maybe he has a Bachelor of Science, and thus considers himself a scientist. But I'd bet dollars to donuts that he's not tenure-track.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,14:59   

argystokes,

I don't think so, either.  But here is professorsmith:
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And, no, you can’t get me to give up too much back story. I’m three years from tenure and I’m not going to wind up like Gonzalez. But, I am curious as to why you can “conclude” that I’m not a physicist nor a biologist. Is it because of the canard that no true physicist or biologist supports ID? Well, I’ll have you know that there are more of us out here than you know.


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argystokes,

I don't think so, either.  But here is professorsmith:
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And, no, you can’t get me to give up too much back story. I’m three years from tenure and I’m not going to wind up like Gonzalez. But, I am curious as to why you can “conclude” that I’m not a physicist nor a biologist. Is it because of the canard that no true physicist or biologist supports ID? Well, I’ll have you know that there are more of us out here than you know.

“I think that understanding our world and the design behind it is progress in itself.”


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,15:45   

Quote (ERV @ Jan. 05 2008,13:40)
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 05 2008,11:39)
1) Blogs are not classrooms. I would not treat my classroom as a blog just as I’m not treating my blog as a classroom.

IMA TEACHER! IMA TEACHER! I SWEAR! LOOK AT ME TALK ABOUT A CLASSROOM!

     
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The Darwinist gets upset when I tell her to go look at a link and actually read it.

I do encourage my students to explore links and read more thoroughly on the subject.

What?

Professor Smith: "Hello class.  Today we are going to be learning about ubiquitination.  Please open up your textbook to page 456 and click on the links.  Im going to go play with my dogs."

Student: "But books dont have links, Dr. Smith.  And arent you supposed to be our teacher?"

Professor Smith: "DARWINIST!!!!!!!"

Is "professor" Smith aware of this thread? :)

He merely said that he encourages students to explore links (I suppose the internet in general). If he wants to indoctrinate students with ID, internet blogs are indeed the only ressource avalaible.

"For more information, go to JAD's weblog"  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,16:07   

jeannot,

It'd be fun to invite professorsmith to the party.  However, I am afraid he/she does not approve of this site:
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Mr. Hurd,
I’m not sure what response you are talking about. It might have been picked up in the spam filter and I might have missed it. Either way, do you really think that I would go to ATBC where many have a militant mindset against ID and ID practitioners?


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,16:24   

ID Practitioners?

None of them are actually detecting design, so there are no practitioners, only advocates.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,16:33   

I think Professorsmith is a linguist because we're speaking English and she's speaking Creationese.




(News flash to Professorsmith re: tenure - Time to activate Plan B.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,17:55   

Smith doesn't seem to have much training/education in any scientific field.  For a while my money was on engineering of some flavor, but the couple of engineering analogies used indicate otherwise.  I'd rule out most of the humanities by writing alone, and social sciences (sociology, psychology, etc) seem rather lacking, too.  What are we left with: arts/music, law, and/or general education?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,18:03   

Quote (UnMark @ Jan. 05 2008,15:55)
Smith doesn't seem to have much training/education in any scientific field.  For a while my money was on engineering of some flavor, but the couple of engineering analogies used indicate otherwise.  I'd rule out most of the humanities by writing alone, and social sciences (sociology, psychology, etc) seem rather lacking, too.  What are we left with: arts/music, law, and/or general education?

I think they are merely a fraud.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:13   

I guess I'm slightly more trusting in that regard, even of a creationist/IDist.  Then again, there was that kid on wikipedia last year posing as a doctor. . . . .

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:26   

I can't read anything into the writing. Salvador Cordova writes on about a 6th grade level, yet he's in a master's program. When I was at NCSU a very common complaint I heard was that the student couldn't understand what in the hell her asian math professor was trying to say.

(I never had that problem, though. I find accents and unusual word usements to be rather charming)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,21:42   

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argystokes,

I don't think so, either.  But here is professorsmith:
 
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And, no, you can’t get me to give up too much back story. I’m three years from tenure and I’m not going to wind up like Gonzalez. But, I am curious as to why you can “conclude” that I’m not a physicist nor a biologist. Is it because of the canard that no true physicist or biologist supports ID? Well, I’ll have you know that there are more of us out here than you know.

“I think that understanding our world and the design behind it is progress in itself.”


what an odious bellend.

He's obviously not read Gonzalez's book. But I like how he called it The Privileged Planter.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,22:34   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 05 2008,21:26)
I can't read anything into the writing. Salvador Cordova writes on about a 6th grade level, yet he's in a master's program. When I was at NCSU a very common complaint I heard was that the student couldn't understand what in the hell her asian math professor was trying to say.

(I never had that problem, though. I find accents and unusual word usements to be rather charming)

It's not how he writes, it's what he writes.  There's simply no intellectual sophistication to him.  His whole post on how "The Darwinist" behaves shows what ridiculous generalizations he makes.  He can't possibly have attended any kind of reasonable graduate school.  Graduate school beats that kind of crap out of someone.

Like I said before, I think he's probably smart, but not nearly as well-educated as he's suggesting...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,23:37   

I dunno, factician.  Casey Luskin went to grad school (he has an M. A. in Earth Sciences from UCSD), but he still writes crap like this:
 
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But there is a deeper question: (2) If humans and chimps were truly only 1% different at the genetic level, why should that demonstrate common ancestry? As noted in Slide 9, similarities in key genetic sequences may be explained as a result of functional requirements and common design rather than mere common descent. We might reasonably ask the evolutionist why the 1% difference value is considered powerful evidence for Darwinian evolution, and at what point does the comparison cease to support Darwinian evolution? What about 2% different? 3%? 5%? 10%? Is there an objective metric for falsification here, or is PBS putting forth a fallacious argument for human / chimp common ancestry?

Darwin's Failed Predictions, Slide 10:
The myth of 1% human-chimp genetic differences
(from JudgingPBS.com)


The silliness is not caused by a lack of education.  They are simply not interested in science; rather, they view it as an instrument for advancing their cause.  It's a PR effort and so everything goes.  It doesn't matter that we find their "ID science" laughable: we are not their target audience, Ftk is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 05 2008,23:40   

The Privileged Planter.

Is that about wealthy nuts?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,00:17   

On Jan 2, our professor claims, based on reading a NYTimes article, that women have evoved an extra vertebra due to the ancestral transition to upright locomotion. It aids in balance during pregnancy, he avers.

Of course the article, by John Schwartz, Dec 12, says no such thing.  It seems that the lower back *curvature*, present in men and women, extends over three vertebrae in women compared to two in men.  Additionaly  s/he  claims that this nondiscovery supports ID, rather than evo, because it is "directed."

Our professor should be directed to the nearest remedial reading center.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,00:21   

They failed to grasp the meaning of the milk gene article as well.

"Professor" Smith, is neither.

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On Jan 2, our professor claims, based on reading a NYTimes article, that women have evoved an extra vertebra due to the ancestral transition to upright locomotion. It aids in balance during pregnancy, he avers.

Of course the article, by John Schwartz, Dec 12, says no such thing.  It seems that the lower back *curvature*, present in men and women, extends over three vertebrae in women compared to two in men.  Additionaly  s/he  claims that this nondiscovery supports ID, rather than evo, because it is "directed."

Our professor should be directed to the nearest remedial reading center.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,01:12   

Quote (BCnotAD @ Jan. 06 2008,10:17)
On Jan 2, our professor claims, based on reading a NYTimes article, that women have evoved an extra vertebra due to the ancestral transition to upright locomotion. It aids in balance during pregnancy, he avers.

Of course the article, by John Schwartz, Dec 12, says no such thing.  It seems that the lower back *curvature*, present in men and women, extends over three vertebrae in women compared to two in men.  Additionaly  s/he  claims that this nondiscovery supports ID, rather than evo, because it is "directed."

Our professor should be directed to the nearest remedial reading center.

Bob

Comment on: Evolution is so Smart:

Coyote // January 6, 2008 at 7:10 am

Professor Smith: New research apparently shows that women evolved extra vertebrae to deal with upright walking and pregnancy. But, does it really show that? I say, “No,” at least not by modern evolutionary theory.

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You are correct; the number of vertebrae is the same (as is the number of ribs) in males and females.

But you are incorrect about this having anything to do with ID “science.” And you have demonstrated that you are not a professor of anthropology, anatomy or anything close.

“Purely directionless modifications,” eh? You really should study some evolutionary science if you want your comments to have any credibility.

You sound more like a professor of religious studies or some such?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,08:14   

"Professor" Smith argues to concequences:

http://professorsmith.wordpress.com/2008....ent-783

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Then perhaps you should stray from evolution, considering that it makes some quite unscientific claims, like purposelessness and unguidedness. It’s a little funny to have a Darwinist chastize someone else in this manner because it’s all a bad case of projection.


Teenager. Not in academia.

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More dogs in the snow

Lately, I’ve seen a lot of Darwinists on this blog, so I’m glad it’s Sunday when I can put up pictures of my dogs and not have to worry about their dogmatic mindsets.  I just happen to like these pictures, and I hope you do too.


It's strange to hear this from a guy/gal claiming to work at a state university, a place presumably crawling with Darwinists.  How do you keep your sanity at work, Prof?  :p

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Quote (olegt @ Jan. 06 2008,14:10)
 
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More dogs in the snow

Lately, I’ve seen a lot of Darwinists on this blog, so I’m glad it’s Sunday when I can put up pictures of my dogs and not have to worry about their dogmatic mindsets.  I just happen to like these pictures, and I hope you do too.


It's strange to hear this from a guy/gal claiming to work at a state university, a place presumably crawling with Darwinists.  How do you keep your sanity at work, Prof?  :p

um... is that second picture a picture of dog poo?  I dont see a dog in it...


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Quote (ERV @ Jan. 06 2008,14:20)
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 06 2008,14:10)
 
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More dogs in the snow

Lately, I’ve seen a lot of Darwinists on this blog, so I’m glad it’s Sunday when I can put up pictures of my dogs and not have to worry about their dogmatic mindsets.  I just happen to like these pictures, and I hope you do too.


It's strange to hear this from a guy/gal claiming to work at a state university, a place presumably crawling with Darwinists.  How do you keep your sanity at work, Prof?  :p

um... is that second picture a picture of dog poo?  I dont see a dog in it...


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Quote (olegt @ Jan. 06 2008,14:10)
It's strange to hear this from a guy/gal claiming to work at a state university, a place presumably crawling with Darwinists.  How do you keep your sanity at work, Prof?  :p

It's clear that he's not a biologist (the post about the extra vertebra in women clearly shows) so he wouldn't have to deal with "Darwinists" at his work anyway.
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http://professorsmith.wordpress.com/2008....ent-783

 
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Then perhaps you should stray from evolution, considering that it makes some quite unscientific claims, like purposelessness and unguidedness. It’s a little funny to have a Darwinist chastize someone else in this manner because it’s all a bad case of projection.


Teenager. Not in academia.

Smith exhibits the typical behaviour of every IDer (dishonesty, faulty logic, etc). How could he do otherwise? ID is by essence based on dishonesty, fundamentalism and faulty logic.
Being a scientist/professor and an IDer at the same time is contradictory.

But experience shows it's possible. Isn't Dembski a professor who also claims to be a scientist? That doesn't prevent him to behave like a uneducated prick.

Just because Smith supports ID and hates Darwinism doesn't mean he can't be a (bad) professor.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,17:35   

So far, "professor" Schmuck does not grasp basic chemistry, biology, cosmology, geology, and archaeology.

I might have missed a few.

They obviously lied about being a science professor.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,18:14   

Let's see how long he thinks I have some class and decency.  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,18:42   

Hi UnMark,

Great job so far!  I love professorsmith's reaction:
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“No apparent divine direction” would be more palatable than “directionless” but that’s not what Darwinists say. If it were the former, I would have a lot less problem with them. Alas, it is the latter. There was a flap a while ago about how this appeared in quite a few textbooks, even Ken Miller had it in his book.

All science so far!   :p

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There was a flap a while ago about how this appeared in quite a few textbooks,


There was a "flap?"  No guy writes like this.  Sounds like FtK to me.

"quite a few textbooks" is an obvious lie.  Also, sounds like FtK.  Vague, weak and unsubstantiated.  Coffee circle talk.

Hey, FtK, got a new pseudonym?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,19:12   

Another try. The comment at the top of this page never made it past moderation, so perhaps this one will do better.


Coyote // January 7, 2008 at 1:07 am

As long as this thread is a “Primer on ID” I would like to submit the following link:

Intelligent Design Creationism: Fraudulent Science, Bad Philosophy, by Donald E. Simanek.

It provides a thorough discussion of the subject.

In case the link does not work, here is the URL:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/creation.htm


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Thanks for the welcome, Richard.  I haven't been lurking here, I got sucked in by the "professor's" bit on All-to-common dissent.  My lurking up to now has been mostly at talk.origins (with occasional comments for several years ) and at Panda's Thumb.  I also look in at the Loom, Pharingula,  Dispatches from the culture wars and the rest of the usual subjects. I just put up a little background info at this site.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2008,22:52   

There was a bit on UD on this?  Hmmm..  I stopped following the UD thread here over a year ago - it was causing too much brain damage.

Thanks, Oleg!  I have a few posts in the "Dissonance" thread; a couple are rather good. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 07 2008,23:51   

What, did everyone get put into moderation except me?

  
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What, did everyone get put into moderation except me?

YUP.

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OH NOES! TALK ORIGINS HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!

http://professorsmith.wordpress.com/2008....ent-809

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The Darwinist website talk origins itself has also been debunked. This link here should help. It has many links of its own that directly counter talk origins claims.

http://creationwiki.org/Talk_Origins


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Is the creationwiki a parody?  Is it real?  It's pretty funny if it's real...

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Is the creationwiki a parody?  Is it real?  It's pretty funny if it's real...

It's very real.  Hilarious, but real.  The intelligent design article is amusing, not a word about Dover.

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Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,10:20)
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Is the creationwiki a parody?  Is it real?  It's pretty funny if it's real...

It's very real.  Hilarious, but real.  The intelligent design article is amusing, not a word about Dover.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:43   

I *heart* Darth Piglet.  The tard is strong with this one.

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The trick is to talk dumb.   ;)

I made the mistake of wanting to create a hypothesis around 'frontloading'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,10:57   

terryf is not bad too:

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 08 2008,11:35   

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What, did everyone get put into moderation except me?

Most of mine have gone into moderation.

I just submitted this:


Coyote // January 8, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Mark: I don’t know of any scientist who says there are NO controversies about evolution. But nearly all also say that these exist at a level that one typically doesn’t attain until late in undergrad studies.

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I had a course titled “Controversies in Evolution” — about my third year of grad school. It concentrated on fossil man, and not a one of those controversies would gladden the heart of an evolution-denier.

Not that an evolution-denier would understand any of what was being discussed without a number of years of study beforehand.

  
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The latest from the bunker:
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Welcome to our humble home, professorsmith!  Feel free to delurk.

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Welcome to our humble home, professorsmith!  Feel free to delurk.

He might catch free speech. It's contagious.

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OH NOES! TALK ORIGINS HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!

http://professorsmith.wordpress.com/2008....ent-809

 
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The Darwinist website talk origins itself has also been debunked. This link here should help. It has many links of its own that directly counter talk origins claims.

http://creationwiki.org/Talk_Origins

I scanned a few pages, here and there, and there were a few places were I laughed hard enough that my wife asked what was so funny.  I think it was something about dinosaurs existing millions of years ago being a, quote, "farce."  I'm not certain yet if it pays to post that....  I've mostly been hanging around due to the promise of a "scientific theory of ID."  I suspect my interest will wane quickly over the rest of the week when my request for more information is once again denied.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,08:40   

professorsmith informs us how universities work and why IDers won't do research:
 
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Tenured professors at universities have to have lab access just as much as untenured ones and if the school won’t allow it and put some money towards it, what then? And, what do Christian universities have to do with anything? What will scientists in industry do when the bulk of research is done at the university level? And, what, pray tell, will armchair scientists do, experiments in their basements? Yet, your hypothesis is still wrong. There is research being done that is suggestive and evidential in support of ID science. It’s simply done under the guise of supporting evolution. I’ve pointed out studies of this nature before. However, these studies need to fly under the radar.

Two errors.

1.  The school ponies up money for a lab when the professor is hired, as part of a start-up package.  Lab space is allocated at the same time.  From then on, building up and maintaining the lab is the responsibility of the faculty member.  The university does not put any more money towards it, the funding comes from grants.  

2.  If those super-duper-secret ID studies are supposed to fly under the radar, how come professorsmith outed them?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,09:06   

Quote (olegt @ Jan. 11 2008,08:40)
2.  If those super-duper-secret ID studies are supposed to fly under the radar, how come professorsmith outed them?

When Smithy says the following:
 
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There is research being done that is suggestive and evidential in support of ID science. It’s simply done under the guise of supporting evolution.


I think what he means is not research specifically intended to support ID. Rather it is ID advocates glomming onto research from the existing "Darwinian paradigm" and claiming it as unwitting ID research.  Sort of like the time that DaveScot claimed that all abiogenesis research is actually ID research because it is conducted using human intelligence.

I believe someone far wiser than myself called this "the advantage of theft over toil".

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,09:12   

Elsewhere we learn how much a lab costs:
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Paying a salary to someone or paying someone a thousand bucks to travel to a conference or speaking engagement is quite different from spending the billions necessary to build up a state of the art lab.

This is off by a few orders of magnitude.  The annual outlays of the NIH are $28B, most of which is dispensed in the form of 50,000 competetive grants.  That works out to something like half a million per grant.  A PI can have two or three such grants, but we're still talking a million with an M, not B.  

Universities don't give money to faculty members for research, they take it in the form of overhead.  The exception is a start-up package given to a newly hired professor.  But the order of magnitude there is again a million, not a billion bucks, and that's for an experimentalist at a top research university.  

So no, individual labs don't cost billions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,12:28   

How many labs does it take, and how much money is required, and how many universities are needed for an IDist to formulate a single testable ID theory?

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Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 11 2008,12:28)
How many labs does it take, and how much money is required, and how many universities are needed for an IDist to formulate a single testable ID theory?

Theory!!???

They don't even want a hypothesis.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2008,17:35   

I never got any freaking startup money- I brought it with me. My trade up was space+better physical plant, +tenure. Who gets "startup" money? Shit, I was robbed of my startup money!

Frefing bastards.   Billions of frefing startup money!!!!111!!11

Billions

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,21:14   

I notice she* glossed over that pesky money thing. . . .  I may make the "what is the intelligent agent" question my final question; I've run out of givashit.

* Though a good male friend of mine loves Collies,they are rather feminine, IMHO.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,21:24   

Hi UnMark,

The latest post, citing Casey Luskin on the double standard, is complete BS.  Here's my comment at Mens' News Daily:
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Casey sure has a short memory. Nature has previously published an article about intelligent design, by the same author and under the same rubric News Feature: G. Brumfiel, "Intelligent design: Who has designs on your students' minds?" Nature 434, 1062-1065 (28 April 2005). doi:10.1038/4341062a. (You can read it for free at Sal Cordova's website smartaxes.com.) That article quotes Michael Behe, William Dembski, Stephen Meyer, Sal Cordova, Caroline Crocker and Casey Luskin himself. What double standard are you talking about, Casey?


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UnMark, well done.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2008,22:37   

Thank you, olegt!  Perhaps it was premature to say I've run out of givashit.  I didn't read Prof's post, and I'm in the middle of something now.  I'll post about the double-standard tomorrow if I can find a free half hour to do the requisite reading.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,00:18   

Quote (olegt @ Jan. 13 2008,21:24)
The latest post, citing Casey Luskin on the double standard, is complete BS.  Here's my comment at Mens' News Daily:

I posted a link to that comment on mens news, and even went so far as to look through Sal's not-so-user-friendly site to find a link to the Nature article on ID.  Imagine my suprise that my comment was put into moderation.  Was it something I said?  :D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,15:47   

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Well, next time watch thy tongue! (Even if it is inside thy mouth.) :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,19:40   

With all the commenters banned, professorsmith is feeling so ronery.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,23:48   

Okay, so only two links in one post are required for a post to get caught in the spam filter.  ???

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2008,07:16   

For whatever reason, two of my messages were let through in the thread Even More Darwinist Hypocrisy.  The good prof responded with the usual ur doing it rong.

Here's my latest comment that is languishing somewhere in the moderation queue:
 
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Oleg Tchernyshyov // January 17, 2008 at 3:21 am

Oh, I’ve read both articles. Not sure about you, though.

To begin with, multiverse doesn’t get “a free pass” in the article. It gives equal time to both sides. Brumfiel quotes David Gross (a Nobel laureate and certainly an authority in particle physics) saying that the anthropic principle is not science. In response, Susskind doesn’t say that it is. Here is the exact quote:
 
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It would be very foolish to throw away the right answer on the basis that it doesn’t conform to some criteria for what is or isn’t science.

Lenny is well aware that he is bending the definition of science. He finds it “deeply, deeply troubling” that there’s no way to test the principle. The article ends thusly:
 
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Gross believes that the emergence of multiple universes in science has its origins in theorists’ 20-year struggle to explain the finely tuned numbers of the cosmos. “People in string theory are very frustrated, as am I, by our inability to be more predictive after all these years,” he says. But that’s no excuse for using such “bizarre science”, he warns. “It is a dangerous business.”

A free pass? I don’t think so. It paints the picture as it is, giving an opportunity to several scientists on both sides to speak up.

Where’s the double standard, again?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2008,11:37   

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With all the commenters banned, professorsmith is feeling so ronery.

This is further evidence that "smith" in neither biologist nor an IC prof.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 17 2008,22:12   

Or a physicist, or philosopher, or, or, or.

Prof says that ID is real in nature because we exist in nature.  Isn't that Affirming the Consequent?

  
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Or a physicist, or philosopher, or, or, or.

Lets be honest, is this guy/gal an expert in ANYTHING?

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Or a physicist, or philosopher, or, or, or.

Lets be honest, is this guy/gal an expert in ANYTHING?

Yes, it appears that he/she is fully qualified to be an expert on ID.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,08:03   

See, that's what I'm thinking.

I was pretty sure for a while that he was just some random crank pretending to be a Professor, but then I got to thinking about Dembski, Behe, etc.

Maybe he's an art professor or a math professor or something.

Engineering, anyone?  Shop?  Probably not biology, but maybe something unrelated?  He wouldn't be the first Dr. Dr. to pontificate authoritatively on a subject about which he is neither qualified nor conversant.

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See, that's what I'm thinking.

I was pretty sure for a while that he was just some random crank pretending to be a Professor, but then I got to thinking about Dembski, Behe, etc.

Maybe he's an art professor or a math professor or something.

Engineering, anyone?  Shop?  Probably not biology, but maybe something unrelated?  He wouldn't be the first Dr. Dr. to pontificate authoritatively on a subject about which he is neither qualified nor conversant.

...or he could be a refrigerator repairman.

Well he/she sure do write purty, so maybe some east coast private school?  I could see that, plus the dog in the snow pics means AZ, and FL are out.  I think some small, snobish east coast private school, maybe a girl's school?  Plus the insulation form the Real World, and their insistence on an ID World, maybe a 14th century French Lit Professor?

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What happened to the other 13?

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maybe a 14th century French Lit Professor?

What happened to the other 13?

Bob

There are no other centuries for French Lit.  They were too buys learning how to cook snails for the first 13, and in all the centuries after the 14th, they were too busy losing wars, and getting ready to lose wars.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,09:36   

Maybe he's just a shoitehawk?

"Professor" Smith isn't a professor is still be falsified.

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Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 18 2008,09:03)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 18 2008,08:03)
See, that's what I'm thinking.

I was pretty sure for a while that he was just some random crank pretending to be a Professor, but then I got to thinking about Dembski, Behe, etc.

Maybe he's an art professor or a math professor or something.

Engineering, anyone?  Shop?  Probably not biology, but maybe something unrelated?  He wouldn't be the first Dr. Dr. to pontificate authoritatively on a subject about which he is neither qualified nor conversant.

...or he could be a refrigerator repairman.

Well he/she sure do write purty, so maybe some east coast private school?  I could see that, plus the dog in the snow pics means AZ, and FL are out.  I think some small, snobish east coast private school, maybe a girl's school?  Plus the insulation form the Real World, and their insistence on an ID World, maybe a 14th century French Lit Professor?

MA.  At least some of the pics were taken in the Blue Hills Reservation, just south of Boston.  That bog with a boardwalk is pretty well known.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,20:42   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 18 2008,08:03)
Maybe he's an art professor or a math professor or something.

Engineering, anyone?  Shop?  Probably not biology, but maybe something unrelated?  

My initial thought was engineering, but I don't see any analogies to engineered systems.  The posts are devoid of any mathematical insights, too.  In some random past thread I clicked on he complained about the lack of "intelligent design" in art, so I don't think there's anything down that road, either.  If we knew for a fact that Prof is a tenure-track, my money would be on mechanical or civil engineering, possibly structural engineering.

Someone suggested to me by PM that the person is working on a deep cover for trolling.  Although I cannot fathom why one would do so, I can't offer any evidence to the contrary. . . .

I was seriously asking before if Prof's claim that ID is real in nature because we exist in nature is an instance of Affirming the Consequent.  It seems like one to me, but I have no formal training in logic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,20:47   

Prof is not a prof.

Forget the discipline.

Prof can't even write a sentence decently.

Prof has a high school education at most and is a poser.  I've been following creationists for over 30 years and "Prof" merits a C- grade at best.

  
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In case anyone still thinks that professorsmith might be a biologist, this post should help:
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Here’s a fascinating article that has determined that fungus have sexual differences.  This is a great study into the code of DNA and how that code can be programmed for different purposes.  This is a great support for ID, in that it shows how much DNA is an actual code or program.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 19 2008,18:18   

In the last week I posted 7 separate comments to professorsmith's blog.  I was extremely polite and on topic each time, as per the posted moderation policy.

"smith" only let two benign comments through, and posted smarmy answers without letting my additional replies in.  One post requesting positive evidence for ID, one pointing out that smith was misrepresenting the "choosiness cheesiness" article, and three on the "ID predictions" pointing out that no one had yet answered the question asked at UD showed up only as "awaiting moderation".

I checked this morning, those five comments I had been able myself to see as "awaiting moderation" have now been completely deleted.

Looks like "professorsmith" is just another ID hypocritical flaming douche feigning honesty while censoring all dissenting comments.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,15:07   

OA, your experience is not unique.  A number of people on this blog have gone through that, including me.  

The latest news from the bunker is Coyotes on the Prowl.  No doggie pics this time, unfortunately.
 
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I had taken [the Collies] out for a short, nighttime stroll so that they could “do their potties,” (which is their command to evacuate their systems), when I noticed some sort of dog-like creature dart out and run across the road in front of us.  We were, thankfully, near the house, so I headed for the front door with M and A when I noticed that there were two more figures standing just beyond my fence, looking at us.

The story is probably made up: it's hard to believe that the human would spot the coyotes before the dogs would.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,16:24   

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OA, your experience is not unique.  A number of people on this blog have gone through that, including me.  

The latest news from the bunker is Coyotes on the Prowl.  No doggie pics this time, unfortunately.
   
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I had taken [the Collies] out for a short, nighttime stroll so that they could “do their potties,” (which is their command to evacuate their systems), when I noticed some sort of dog-like creature dart out and run across the road in front of us.  We were, thankfully, near the house, so I headed for the front door with M and A when I noticed that there were two more figures standing just beyond my fence, looking at us.

The story is probably made up: it's hard to believe that the human would spot the coyotes before the dogs would.

Hard to believe, but not impossible.  There was a incident that happened last winter when I was going out to throw hay in the morning.  My two dogs were happily rummaging through a pile of dumped stall shavings looking for choice manure morsels.  Not fifty feet behind them was a coyote.  It looked at me and nonchalantly trotted off across the pasture away from us.  My knotheaded dogs never caught on.

Of course, the plural of anecdote is not data and that was a singular incident.  It is more common for my dogs to take off chasing after coyotes that I never see.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,17:12   

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In case anyone still thinks that professorsmith might be a biologist, this post should help:
   
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Is My Mushroom a Boy or a Girl?
January 18, 2008 · No Comments

Here’s a fascinating article that has determined that fungus have sexual differences.  This is a great study into the code of DNA and how that code can be programmed for different purposes.  This is a great support for ID, in that it shows how much DNA is an actual code or program.

Wow.  Intro to Biology II information.  Smith is not a biologist.

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“do their potties,” (which is their command to evacuate their systems)

Oh now common.  Common.  Who writes that?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,17:18   

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My knotheaded dogs never caught on.


Which way was the wind blowing at the time?

Might also depend on what the coyote had been doing that might affect how it smells.

Oh, and were there any roadrunners in the area? :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,17:28   

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In case anyone still thinks that professorsmith might be a biologist, this post should help:
       
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Is My Mushroom a Boy or a Girl?
January 18, 2008 · No Comments

Here’s a fascinating article that has determined that fungus have sexual differences.  This is a great study into the code of DNA and how that code can be programmed for different purposes.  This is a great support for ID, in that it shows how much DNA is an actual code or program.

Wow.  Intro to Biology II information.  Smith is not a biologist.

My current hypothesis, based partly on oleg's sleuthing about the location (Boston area), and partly on other clues, is that smith is affiliated with this shining beacon of biology and science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,22:14   

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My knotheaded dogs never caught on.


Which way was the wind blowing at the time?

Might also depend on what the coyote had been doing that might affect how it smells.

Oh, and were there any roadrunners in the area? :p

Henry

I wasn't anywhere near there at the time and I ain't saying anything more until the statute of limitations runs out.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2008,13:31   

There hasn't been a comment posted on "Professor Smith's" blog since January 21.

Looks like he's just talking to himself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 02 2008,16:40   

In case anyone thought I had been banned or censored, I don't think I've been back there since about the 17th.  I learned what I went there to learn: he's not a tenure-track professor in any scientific field, if at all, and he has nothing to offer ID.

  
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