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fusilier



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 15 2008,21:02   

Well, here it is
http://www.answersingenesis.org/article....e-forum
the new (pardon me while I try and keep supper down) "peer-reviewed journal" from AiG.  I'm sure others have been there before me.  

First up is a "Proceedings of the Microbe Forum, June 2007"  where our heroes do their cargo-cut science thing.  Take a look at the footnote:

 
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These are pseudonyms. The writers, who hold PhDs in fields related to the topics of their abstracts, are scientists at prominent research facilities in the eastern part of North America. They prefer to keep their creationist credentials hidden for the moment until they achieve more seniority.


Gaaah.  Gallileo died while under house arrest, Vavilov died in Lubyanka Prison, Comer lost her job for doing her job, and some bright-eyed Dover kid had his artwork burned because Buckingham didn't like evolution.

All the while these poseurs have the gall to mitch and boan about "prosecution."

fusilier
James 2:24

Added in edit - sorry about the topic - I'm so mad I can't think straight.  Should be "Answers Research Journal."

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,01:02   

Well, if it their identities were exposed, who would be left to teach refrigerator repair in the eastern US?

Bob

EDIT: The whole abstracts are worth repeating:
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Viral/Bacterial Attenuation and Its Link to Innate Oncolytic Potential: Implications of the Perfect Original Creation in the Beginning
Luke Kim,1 Independent Scholar

The Bible tells us that microorganisms such as bacteria and viruses were created by the Lord (Colossians 1:16). Since the discovery of microorganisms, they have been mainly recognized as disease-causing agents. However, most microorganisms are benign (indirectly beneficial) or beneficial to humans or other organisms. For example, recent cancer/molecular biology studies show that many benign or attenuated bacteria/viruses are powerful anti-cancer agents specifically targeting cancer cells while sparing the normal ones. Even pathogenic strains of bacteria and viruses can be attenuated to convert them to oncolytic viruses or bacteria. Currently, some of these oncolytic viruses and bacteria are being used for various stages of clinical trials for anti-cancer therapy.

After the Fall, the Bible (Genesis 3:18) suggests that post-Fall viral/bacterial oncolytic activity may have arisen as a phenotypic extension of preexisting normal viral/bacterial activities (possibly serving a role as apoptosis inducer, activator of cellular signalling pathways, etc.) due to a change to harsh biological environments. Ubiquitousness and persistence of these microbes in the biological ecosystem strongly implicate a beneficial microbe-host interaction in the original creation and subsequent disruption of the beneficial microbe-host interaction after the Fall. Nonetheless, due to their genetic flexibility, some viruses and bacteria today still display some of their original/derivative functions, such as oncolytic activity. The study of beneficial microbe-host interactions will help us comprehend the correct biological view of microorganisms (before and after the Fall) from a biblical perspective.

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Pathogenicity Tools and Mycotoxins: In the Beginning or after the Fall?
Ira S. Loucks,1 Independent Scholar

Fungi are amazing organisms. As a group, they have colonized practically every ecological niche on earth. Originally created “very good,” certain fungal interactions have degenerated over time resulting in serious human and animal diseases. Fungi are also capable of producing powerful compounds called mycotoxins, which are products of the nonessential processes of secondary metabolism. Mycotoxins are a type of secondary metabolite, and as such are not normally required for normal growth and reproduction. In fact, one particular mycotoxin, ergot alkyloid, may have been the cause of the Salem Witch Trials. Consumption of ergot alkyloid can result in hallucinations, convulsions, and gangrene of the extremities. Other mycotoxins are potent carcinogens, while others are immunosuppressive. However, other secondary metabolites are useful. Many antibiotic drugs including penicillin and cyclosporin are secondary metabolites. Likewise, many cholesterol lowering drugs are based on the “statin” class of secondary metabolites.

Fungi have been important in agriculture for centuries as both commodities and crop pests. Much of our understanding of fungal biology stems from research on plant pathogenic fungi. Since the Fall, many plant-fungal interactions have deteriorated into parasitic and/or pathogenic relationships: biotrophic, hemibiotrophic, and necrotrophic interactions. These interactions result in famine and potential contamination of crops with toxins harmful to humans and animals. Also of concern is the expansion of medically relevant fungi. Fungal pathogens are difficult to treat in humans and animals due to the similar biochemistry of fungal and animal systems. Recent research demonstrates a possible mechanism for the rise of animal pathogenesis in fungi: co-opting of environmentally relevant survival mechanisms for survival in the host environment. More research is needed to elucidate the means by which these originally “very good” microorganisms devolved into the destructive pests and pathogens they have become.

I love the way fungi cause diseases in animals and human, but are pests of plants.

Bob (former plant pathologist)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,08:20   

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More research is needed to elucidate the means by which these originally “very good” microorganisms devolved into the destructive pests and pathogens they have become.


Any chance this is the winner of a home school junior high science fair competition?

Wonder why these folks want to understand 'devolution' and not 'evilution'.  Any chance that could be so they could take over the world?

I'm in your crops, devolving your mycorrhizal community.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,08:47   

I don't see the problem. Pseudonyms are absolutely appropriate to pseudoscience.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,10:40   

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These are pseudonyms. The writers, who hold PhDs in fields related to the topics of their abstracts, are scientists at prominent research facilities in the eastern part of North America. They prefer to keep their creationist credentials hidden for the moment until they achieve more seniority.

How many institutions grant PhDs in Complete Tard?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,10:51   

Quote (fusilier @ Jan. 15 2008,22:02)
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These are pseudonyms. The writers, who hold PhDs in fields related to the topics of their abstracts, are scientists at prominent research facilities in the eastern part of North America. They prefer to keep their creationist credentials hidden for the moment until they achieve more seniority.


   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,10:55   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 16 2008,10:40)
How many institutions grant PhDs in Complete Tard?

Follow the link... and your prayers will be answered!

added in edit:  The correct answer is scientifically expressed best as "a shitload".  HTH ;)

http://www.college-scholarships.com/christian_colleges.htm

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,11:45   

Well, I tell ya, times sure were better back in the old days, when the earth saw a lot of action!

By all means, check out the abstract from “Catastrophic Granite Formation: Rapid Melting of Source Rocks, and Rapid Magma Intrusion and Cooling.” Unintentionally, it’s hot stuff:
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Rapid segregation, ascent, and emplacement now understood to only take days via dikes would have been aided by the tectonic "squeezing" and "pumping" during the catastrophic plate tectonics driving the global Genesis Flood cataclysm.


Bwahaha – “squeezing” and “pumping,” eh? After the, er, heavenly shower.

*Leans forhead into hand*

Oh, the unintentional porn written by repressed prudes! :D

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,12:15   

squeezing, slipping, sliding, pumping, hot, intruding, hard, dikes, ohhhhhhh god.

i think that qualifies as a 'One Handed Read'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,12:17   

Gah! If anything "Teh Fall" annoys me even more than "Godidit" as a non-answer. The universe and everything in it worked absolutely perfectly, then two people eat a piece of fruit and completely overturn physics, biology, chemistry, etc. etc. etc. Why is this supposed design imperfect? Teh Fall. Why is there disease? Teh Fall. Why doesn't God do anything about it? Teh Fall. It's the ultimate science-stopper.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,12:24   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 16 2008,11:15)
squeezing, slipping, sliding, pumping, hot, intruding, hard, dikes, ohhhhhhh god.

i think that qualifies as a 'One Handed Read'.

Even teh Fall is beginning to take on a new meaning. ;)

A certain line by Mozart in the play (regrettably, not the movie) Amadeus comes to mind...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,12:49   

Will Teh Fall be preceded by a group of lions?

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,12:56   

I know they're not to everyone's taste, but blaming The Fall for bacteria going bad is a bit of a stretch.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,13:24   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 16 2008,12:49)
Will Teh Fall be preceded by a group of lions?

Bob

No Bob, although that is a damn fine good'un, Teh Fall is preceded by THIS guy.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 16 2008,14:51   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 16 2008,09:51)
     
Quote (fusilier @ Jan. 15 2008,22:02)
     
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These are pseudonyms. The writers, who hold PhDs in fields related to the topics of their abstracts, are scientists at prominent research facilities in the eastern part of North America. They prefer to keep their creationist credentials hidden for the moment until they achieve more seniority.


   
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Edited by Georgia Purdom and Joseph W. Francis

It's so rare to see a woman among these knobs that I had to look her up:
     
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"God Said It, That Settles It"
Deity's evidence muddled, contradictory as Creation Mega-Conference wraps

Ronald Bailey | July 21, 2005 [Note: That would be BD - Before Dover] :)

Lynchburg, VA—Science and scripture cannot contradict one another, and if they appear to do so, then there is something wrong with the science. God created the world in six 24-hour days, according to Georgia Purdom, an assistant professor of biology at Mount Vernon Nazarene University in Mount Vernon, OH. "It's what God said, and that's enough, and that's the way it has to be," said she. Purdom testified to the attendees of the 2005 Creation Mega-Conference that five years ago she "felt called to understand what I believe and why I believe it." Answering this call brought her to read Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution (1996) by Lehigh University biochemist Michael Behe. The book introduced her to the "intelligent design" movement.

Initially attracted to intelligent design theorizing, Purdom eventually found it unsatisfactory. Thus the question in her talk: "The Intelligent Design Movement: How Intelligent Is It?" Purdom rejects evolution because it is built on the notion that the process of natural selection relies on death, pain, suffering, and disease to produce our contemporary world. According to creationists, death did not enter the universe until Adam and Eve sinned (Genesis 3:19). "I couldn't believe it because it did not fit with the God I know; the God with whom I have a personal relationship," insisted Purdom. Intelligent designers share the same problem with evolutionists—both ignore Scripture.

Let us pause for a state-of-mind identification:

:D

Okay, we're back now. Here she is.


*edited to fix formatting, though you can choose to disbelieve that death, pain, suffering, and diseased typing produced our contemporary world*

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,10:06   

My inner geek was drawn to their Instructions to Authors pdf, and I found this amusing bit in it:

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The following are some general questions which, if answered, will aid in the development of the body of the
paper:
a. Does the body provide enough information to convey the intended point(s)?
b. Is unnecessary material included?
c. Has the material been divided into main headings and subheadings, and do these
divisions emphasize the important points of the paper? Do the subheadings support the main
headings?
d. Is the subject matter developed logically? Is it free from gaps and discontinuities?
e. Has the best possible use been made of graphs, charts, photographs, and line drawings, and are
the illustrations well prepared for reproduction?
f. Do the facts presented adequately support the conclusion?



But a truly bizarre and disturbing gem occurs in the section on Common Style Issues:

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Foreign Words and Phrases—Italicize uncommon foreign words, but regular font for common words.
Foreign words and phrases should be italicized only if they are uncommon to our readers:
Lebensraum (italicized)


Lebensraum??? What kind of science journal thinks it's likely to have to deal with that term?

Please help me here: what is going on in these people's minds?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,11:12   

Amadan said:

Lebensraum??? What kind of science journal thinks it's likely to have to deal with that term?

Please help me here: what is going on in these people's minds?

Ach du Lieber!

Ve vill haff to hurt you, ja? Ist zat vat you vant?

You English - always so weak... Ve must be strong, und Ve do not likes ze questions, ja?

Got Mit Uns und Heil!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,11:24   

Now you know that's wrong, don't you J-Dog?  It should be

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Ach du Lieber!

Ve vill haff to hurt you, ja? Ist zat vat you vant?

You English - always so weak... Ve must be strong, und Ve do not likes ze questions, ja?

Got Mit Uns und Heil!


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,12:20   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 18 2008,11:24)
Now you know that's wrong, don't you J-Dog?  It should be

 
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Ach du Lieber!

Ve vill haff to hurt you, ja? Ist zat vat you vant?

You English - always so weak... Ve must be strong, und Ve do not likes ze questions, ja?

Got Mit Uns und Heil!

Ya, zer goot.  Danke

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,14:28   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 16 2008,08:20)
I'm in your crops, devolving your mycorrhizal community.


i laughed and laughed. And laughed again. which kinda sucks cause I'm sick as hell. :(

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,18:30   

Yes, these are the people who put the 'fun' into 'fundamentalist'.

Mind you, they're also the ones who put the 'mental' in it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,19:29   

Quote (Amadan @ Jan. 18 2008,18:30)
Yes, these are the people who put the 'fun' into 'fundamentalist'.

Mind you, they're also the ones who put the 'mental' in it.

hehehehehehe

fusilier
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 18 2008,21:53   

Just wondering, but does "Teh Fall" conflict with Intelligent Falling Theory? :p

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 20 2008,22:36   

Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 19 2008,07:53)
Just wondering, but does "Teh Fall" conflict with Intelligent Falling Theory? :p

Henry

Then there's always Intelligent Delivery.

  
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