BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 18 2006,16:34    http://im-from-missouri.blogspot.com/ As in "you'll have to show me."  Oh the Irony. *edit* http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2006/04/great-debate.html A few PT regulars mentioned by Larry in the last comment. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,01:18    Woo-hoo! I made Larry's List! Now to visit his blog... <rubbing hands in anticipation>

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,02:00    As a matter of interest, do you reckon it would be best to ignore it completely, so that it withers and dies, or rather, joins the back scratching set up that are the pro-Id blogs? Or should scores of people join and put his no censorship proclamation to the test?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,02:58    Quote (BWE @ April 18 2006,21:34) *edit* http://cartagodelenda.blogspot.com/2006/04/great-debate.html A few PT regulars mentioned by Larry in the last comment. I quite liked some of those "quotes". Made me laugh.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,03:19    Quote Actually, what would be necessary is that large numbers of the bees and flowers possessing the corresponding beneficial mutations would miraculously have to simultaneously appear in the same place, because a single bee visits many flowers, and each flower is visited by many bees. Oh no, evolution has been disproved.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,03:36    I'm composing a comment there right now (the real history of his banning).  I will be responding (over time) to his list of 19 excuses why Judge Jones's decision should be ignored.  It should be amusing.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,06:16    Sorry, it's 18 excuses, not 19.  Though I'm sure he'll continue artificially inflating the number.

thurdl01 Posts: 99 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,06:27    Dang, I was hoping he had claimed it 19 and then only posted 18, just because one of his favorite misunderstands was the three rulings, one ruling thing.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,07:19    Quote As a matter of interest, do you reckon it would be best to ignore it completely, so that it withers and dies, or rather, joins the back scratching set up that are the pro-Id blogs? Well, if I ever get the time, I know I'm going over there. His "summary" of his experiences over at P's Thumb is complete nonsense. While I may not agree with ya'll on a lot of things, you do give a guy a chance to make his case, and I appreciate that. What gives him the right to pollute one of the last bastions of free expression? And then whine like a teenage girl with her cellphone privileges cut off..... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,07:34    He has a thread in which he talks about why he thinks he got banned.  So far, it's the only one anyone has responded to (not including his test post).  Your perspective as stated would be appreciated, GoP. BTW, did you ever look at my revised posting regarding the vibrating shell theory?  It's the third post down onthe last page of the LUCA thread.  Just curious if you had any objections or clarifications.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,07:45    Quote BTW, did you ever look at my revised posting regarding the vibrating shell theory?  It's the third post down onthe last page of the LUCA thread.  Just curious if you had any objections or clarifications. Yeah, I'm way behind on that. I'll try to respond when I can. I got sucked into the gay debate like a rookie, and then I've got "Ripper" Brazeau to deal with..... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,08:03    Hmmm... Could Larry's blog provide a new safe haven for disaffected refugees from UD? For example, can we expect, say, Josh Bozeman to start hanging around there? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,12:50    Quote While I may not agree with ya'll on a lot of things, you do give a guy a chance to make his case, and I appreciate that. What gives him the right to pollute one of the last bastions of free expression? And then whine like a teenage girl with her cellphone privileges cut off..... I get a chuckle out of the fact that Davetard has banned more people in a single day than PT & AtBC have banned in 2 years.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,17:49    0--> Quote (guthrie @ April 19 2006,070) As a matter of interest, do you reckon it would be best to ignore it completely, so that it withers and dies, or rather, joins the back scratching set up that are the pro-Id blogs? Or should scores of people join and put his no censorship proclamation to the test? That is precicely what I had in mind. I'm sorry I have been busy over the last few days. I notice he thought that my post was simply a personal attack on him. It was in fact a far more general comment than he interpreted it as. Kevin, well done. Very civil. I think his blog would be a good place to post definitive answers to his objections. Then we could simply point people who use his arguments to his blog. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,18:01    Thanks, BWE.  Really, I felt somewhat awkward posting my definitive refutations to his 12 now 18 objections where he might be banned.  It's a relief to have a place that he can respond freely.  Question.  Do people want me to cc my responses (I'll be crafting them one at a time) to this thread, or should I just link when I make a new argument?  It will take a while to get them all done, especially since I'm a Detroit sports fan (both my basketball and hockey teams have the best record in their respetive leagues and the playoffs start this weekend).

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,18:26    I think links are appropriate so PT or AtBC posters can add their comments too. If it's particularly funny, or if the wind is blowing a certain way or if you feel like it I guess you should post your responses here. I think Larry is a sort of topic in and of himself anyway. This might be interesting if it catches on. A creationist websight where rational people can post. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2006,19:18    Kevin (or can I call you W.?) - in the interests of irony, you should post under a different name each time. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,06:44    Quote (W. Kevin Vicklund @ April 19 2006,08:36) I'm composing a comment there right now (the real history of his banning).  I will be responding (over time) to his list of 19 excuses why Judge Jones's decision should be ignored.  It should be amusing. WKV: Very nicely done history of the Ballad of Larry Fafarman at the PT Corral -- that's exactly how I remember it all happening. I don't think LareTard will ban you, but his response is amazingly boneheaded. I think the part I'm most impressed with is his assertions that he basically had 'the right' to post under other people's names because he'd been banned. Kind of analogous to saying one has the 'right' to shoot a policeman because he was trying to arrest you... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,06:48    Quote (Bob O'H @ April 20 2006,00:18) Kevin (or can I call you W.?) - in the interests of irony, you should post under a different name each time. Bob Ooh, yeah, and post under the name of a different Confederate general everytime, like Larry did. Or maybe even better: post under the name of a UNION general every time. That should bug Larry, since he's a big Confederate apologist! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,07:09    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 20 2006,11:48) Quote (Bob O'H @ April 20 2006,00:18) Kevin (or can I call you W.?) - in the interests of irony, you should post under a different name each time. Bob Ooh, yeah, and post under the name of a different Confederate general everytime, like Larry did. Or maybe even better: post under the name of a UNION general every time. That should bug Larry, since he's a big Confederate apologist! Oooooh! Naughty! I hope you folks aren't seriously encouraging someone to behave in a way you find reprehensible in somebody you disagree with.

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,08:47    Quote Kind of analogous to saying one has the 'right' to shoot a policeman because he was trying to arrest you... Or the "right" to sneak in a movie theater 'cause Hollywood movies all suck anyway. -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,13:35    Oh come on. Reprehensible? Any way I just left a couple of posts over there here and here at the end -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,13:54    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 20 2006,12<!--emo&) Oooooh! Naughty! I hope you folks aren't seriously encouraging someone to behave in a way you find reprehensible in somebody you disagree with. Certainly not. That Would Be Wrong. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,16:26    Quote (W. Kevin Vicklund @ April 19 2006,11:16) Sorry, it's 18 excuses, not 19.  Though I'm sure he'll continue artificially inflating the number. Quote NOTICE -- I just made a major addition to my original post: I added another item to my list, item #19. I also made two minor significant additions: (1) on item #18, I mentioned the amicus brief submitted by 85 scientists; and (2) I added a sentence to the end of item #3. Whenever I make significant changes in my posts, I will leave notice in the comment section. Larry Fafarman Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:34:45 PM Can I call 'em or what?

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,18:48    Can someone tell me what sort of moral defective it takes to believe that he is banned, but does his utmost to continue posting anyway? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,20:35    Someone with a martyr complex. Hey, Wesley, perhaps you could clear things up for us.  What actions did the admin take on Jan 26 when four commenters (thordaddy, M, Larry, and pro from dover) were found to be using the same IP address?  We know that Rule 6 was enforced on the address itself (at least temporarily), but did any of the four actually get banned, and how did the bans (if any) get enforced?  Basically, we're trying to figure out why Larry that he was personally banned.  And your emphasis on the word "believe" tells me there's more to the story than what I can research independently. What effect did the revelation that the IP address was a major AOL gateway have on the actions taken? This may delve into proprietary and private information, so I understand if you can't answer.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,20:43    Oh, this is a beauty!  Caught him in the act of discovering egg on his face, I think. Quote Posted by Larry Fafarman on April 21, 2006 01:19 AM (e) This is a test Larry just posted the above comment in the Darwin Day in New Mexico thread.  Trying to sneak it past us.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,20:52    I think I just spent the last 5 minutes laughing uncontrollably.  Larry has got to be wondering if I ever sleep. "Hi, Larry!"

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,21:01    "Larry Fafarman.  Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time." "Do you know him? Is he still banned?" "Of course I know him.  He's me."

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 20 2006,21:55    Well, it's gone now.  But my response is still up. Interesting to see how Larry responds to this latest development.  Probably put some sort of blame on me.

Reed A. Cartwright Posts: 21 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,00:01    The whole Larry banning issue is a little complicated because he uses AOL.  At least one other banned user used AOL to bypass his ban, causing us to block some AOL IP ranges in February.  This was after Larry had begun to post under different identities, like "Andy H". When looking at the banning of the other user mentioned above, I noticed the Larry/Andy H/etc. thing as an infraction of our comment rules.  This led to his IPs being placed in our ban list.  This didn't work because he was using AOL.  Not only was he still able to comment under multiple identities but other users were suffering collateral damage. In mid March, I tried a different technique and banned a couple of his aliases.  Larry responded by coming up with new identities to avoid the ban. At no point did Larry email the admins about his inability to post.  Had Larry done so, some of this could have been cleared up.  Now its gone too far, and I doubt we'll change our decision.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,00:26    Quote And your emphasis on the word "believe" tells me there's more to the story than what I can research independently. The emphasis is there simply because of Larry's self-indictment that he thought that he was banned as of the early date but continued posting. A person who isn't sociopathic and believes themselves to be banned from an online forum does not insist on attempting to circumvent the procedures and facilities used to effect that ban. Yes, Larry is well and truly banned from the comment system at PT. His misapprehensions may have played a role in his initiation of unacceptable posting behavior, but the fact is that he has violated PT comment rules and is not welcome there any longer. Any comments known or strongly suspected to come from Larry that appear on PT will be unpublished as they are recognized. Responses to such posts may also be unpublished or moved to the Bathroom Wall at the discretion of the thread contributor or administrators. Larry seems to have a non sequitur going with his obsession over PT's SA Web Award. SA doesn't require recipients to even have online comment facilities, much less that rulebreakers be allowed to continually abuse a comment system at their whim. And SA seems to only rarely recognize a website in multiple years. In fact, the only instance I have yet found is the "Becoming Human" site, which received awards in 2001 and 2002. If SA asks us about any complaint that Larry might make, we will simply provide them with every comment Larry has made on the system, including the various aliases and obvious attempts to evade his banning, the threats made against the system, and our comment policy. SA will easily be able to verify the massive abuse of the comment system made by Larry. I rather doubt that any rational human being would find merit in such a complaint from a person guilty of such blatant abuse, and that has nothing to do with outlook or viewpoint. PT's comment system, by and large, works well. In two years, the number of non-spam bannings is less than 15 total, and that includes today's ban of "jonboy" for repeated plagiarized comments. Non-sociopaths have found the minimal constraints of the PT rules not to be a problem. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,01:45    BTW, we're just trying to establish the chronology of how Larry got himself banned, not trying to get him reinstated or anything like that.  Specifically, what happened that got him posting under multiple aliases. One last question.  What is the message that you get when you try to post from an IP address that has been banned by PT (as opposed to the message you get when on an IP address that is on the external database), and how does it differ, if at all, from the message from the external database?

Reed A. Cartwright Posts: 21 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,02:23    People from banned IPs receive a message similar to this:  "You are not allowed to post comments." If the username has been placed in our spam filter, they will receive a message that their comments are in the moderation queue.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,04:37    Wesley, The system by and large works. It is unfortunate to have to ban anyone who is interested in learning or sharing ideas but it's not like PT is known for dropkicking posters who challenge the party line. I would give kudos to PT for presenting current affairs in biology and the wingnut faction who hates in an open and honest fashion. Wingnuts certainly do have the chance to defend their positions. If they prove to be unable to do so, oh well. What thread did jonboy muck up? Are his comments still available? -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,04:43    Re: 'jonboy', the thread was, "The God Meter", and the problem was a whole series of plagiarized comments from a variety of different sources. The crew felt that leaving plagiarized comments would amount to tacit approval of the plagiarism, so they've been unpublished. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 21 2006,14:25    I am enjoying posting on his blog at any rate. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,06:08    Quote (BWE @ April 21 2006,19:25) I am enjoying posting on his blog at any rate. Both JAD and DS have made an apearance now. The temperature is sure to rise.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,07:24    Quote I am enjoying posting on his blog at any rate. Both JAD and DS have made an apearance now. The temperature is sure to rise. I'm sure Davison and Springer got the idea to post at Larry's blog from this thread. They're so unoriginal. They depend on us for all their new ideas.   Besides, you can bet DaveTard is not happy with the competition.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Wonderpants Posts: 115 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,07:52    Quote If you're too persistent in arguing against the party line PT admins will begin deleting your comments without warning or explanation. In my case they also disemvoweled comments but I think they stopped that because it can't be hidden. A normal reaction to having comments that have broken no rule deleted is to change your name so your comments aren't targeted by who wrote them. As soon as you do this and they figure it out they match up IP addresses and ban you for breaking the rule about using multiple screen names. It's actually, in every case I've seen, a matter of Panda's Thumb admins being the first to break the rules. They break the rule about comment integrity first and then when a rule is broken in response they ban you for it. If they weren't lying about all this I wouldn't give a shit. It's their blog and they can ban whoever they want. It's the lying about it being an open forum that annoys me. It's not open to persistent disagreement. Surely the above comments deserve some sort of Irony/Comedy Gold award? -------------- Fundamentalism in a nutshell: "There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least."

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,08:00    It has certainly gone up in my book above Uncommon de-Scent. Although I will always enjoy reading the UD wingnuts' toolbox over there, I will enjoy commenting on Larry's Blog even more where Dave can't do the bye bye thing . What better person to host a good debate than Larry? Maybe Thordaddy, but he get's into bizarre gay/abortion/military stuff. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Dante Posts: 61 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,13:09    Even though there will never be another Uncommly Dense, I except Larry's blog to become a haven for banned UD posters (in short, a hotbed of lunacy). -------------- Dembski said it, I laughed at it, that settles it!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,13:19    I want to see them all gang up on Heddle.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,13:50    Dense O'Leary is now commenting on Larry's blog. Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread is officially starting to feel anxious. It senses this thread may evolve into a serious competitor.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,13:58    Mission accomplished. Bring it on.   -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,14:12    Oh, Larry's so cute!: Quote A lot of people -- including David Stove -- like to discuss evolution from a philosophical standpoint, introducing such things as theological and social issues. I prefer to discuss evolution from a scientific standpoint. That is what attracted me to irreducible complexity -- it uses scientific arguments to challenge evolution. Denyse O'Leary, good god, every loudmouth dimbulb who ever nattered on about ID is popping up there. I think this is going to bleed a lot of traffic off from UD. It'll be just like UD but without an abusive ex-Marine kicking every other person out for 'displeasing' him. Sadly, I suspect Larry totally lacks DT's fvcked up sense of humor. Has Heddle shown up there yet? Someone let me know when Josh Bozeman finally surfaces. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,15:00    Fair play to Larry, So far he is permitting open discussion. DS will hate that. As much as I disagree with Larry, his blog is at least entertaining. I am looking forward to inevitable tiff between DS and JAD.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,16:59    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 22 2006,20<!--emo&) As much as I disagree with Larry, his blog is at least entertaining. I am looking forward to inevitable tiff between DS and JAD. Oh my god. Neutral territory where DT and Davison can spit venom at each other without interference. I hadn't thought of that!!! Do let me know if something like that happens. You'll probably be able to tell something's about to heat up if Davison calls DT 'Texas white trash' again.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,17:04    The more I think about it, the happier I am Larry has started his blog. At PT, he was just an annoying, humorless freak who shlt all over the rules. In charge of his own blog, with all that retiree's spare time on his hands, he has the opportunity to truly blossom, to become fully realized. This too pleases me. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,17:06    So I'm still reading Jeeves in the Morning, and it's delightful. And it occurred to me, Arden Chatfield, that your name is very Wodehousian. It really does sound like the perfect name for a hale fellow, well met.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 22 2006,17:15    [test] -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,08:10    So now Davetard, Larry F, and JAD are all pissed at each other. http://www.blogger.com/comment....0081726 that didn't take long. I'm reminded of someone's comment that militant little groups seldom succeed in their ambitious plans because they spend all their energy infighting and splintering and such.

Dante Posts: 61 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,08:15    I kinda felt like starting my own "creationist" blog just to attract all the morons from UD, sit back, and laugh my a$$ off. Now I see someone else has done it for me. -------------- Dembski said it, I laughed at it, that settles it!

dhogaza Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,08:25    Heh, looks like my anonymous post comparing Larry's blog to Comedy Central sorta sent JAD off the deep end. That thread's hilarious.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,09:13    Quote (dhogaza @ April 23 2006,13:25) Heh, looks like my anonymous post comparing Larry's blog to Comedy Central sorta sent JAD off the deep end. No, JAD was already there. In fact, that's where he lives.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,09:28    He doesn't even rent the deep end. He owns it. His name is on the title.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,10:40    It's official. I'm having more fun reading Larry's blog than UD. Dave is simply too stupid to keep my attention for long. I'm on to bigger and better things. Heddle needs to respond there to reeally get things going. Also, Larry will need to get more posts but hopefully we can help him out with ideas. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,10:49    Quote Comment Deleted    This post has been removed by the author.    Sunday, April 23, 2006 12:03:06 PM Here's the link to the thread on Larry's blog where this happened.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,11:01    Yeah. You can post a nasty thing and then delete it, it's a dirty trick but, at least it's gone. One thing though is that you have to have a blogger ID to be able to do it so you know it's one of the posters.  It can be turned off. I leave it on on my blog because it doesn't seem to matter. I have only gotten two or 3 spams and all the comments I get are off the wall. Also, the comments get emailed to the admin (Larry) so he knows what they were. If you suspect that they were bad, ask Larry. He'll probably tell you. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,11:07    Oh I don't care about the content, I just think it's best to not let people like Davetard edit their own comments after the fact. I think that ability may cause some trouble in the future.

Dante Posts: 61 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,11:15    Ok, I've jumped on the bandwagon. Anyone else care to join me? This is way more fun that posting on Uncommon Descent; no former dell employees screwing with what you write. -------------- Dembski said it, I laughed at it, that settles it!

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,11:18    Quote (stevestory @ April 23 2006,15:49) Quote Comment Deleted    This post has been removed by the author.    Sunday, April 23, 2006 1236 PM Here's the link to the thread on Larry's blog where this happened. I wasn't paying close attention, so help me out here -- who and what was this deleted comment? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,11:21    Quote (Dante @ April 23 2006,16:15) Ok, I've jumped on the bandwagon. Anyone else care to join me? This is way more fun than posting on Uncommon Descent; no former dell employees screwing with what you write. You magnificent bastard, I salute you! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,12:39    As might have been anticipated, Larry's no-rules blog has gone completely off the rails

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,13:30    So help me, I jumped in the fray. Bored Sunday. At work. You know how it goes... -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Dante Posts: 61 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,13:42    He should have a new tagline: I'm From Missouri: No Rules, Just Right. -------------- Dembski said it, I laughed at it, that settles it!

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,17:04    Oh, I'm sure it'll get even better once I start posting my responses to his inane 19 reasons.  Nothing he hates more than the presentation of facts contradictory to his beliefs.  I know, promises, promises.  I helped some friends move this weekend, and injured my eye Friday morning, but I have time on Monday, and either Wednesday or Thursday to devote to this.  I downloaded the entire electronic case file from the court website - there's documents there that aren't on any of the usual sites (including the NCSE).  Lots of material for me to assimilate, though. BTW, I'm willing to distribute any of the ECF files (by document) if people ask.  The one type of file not available are the transcripts, but those are available at NCSE.  Be warned - some documents are over 1000 pages long and are thus split into multiple files (I have them saved by document number - for example, the decision is document 342)

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 23 2006,20:05    I'd like to ask anyone who regularly posts here that if you've participated in adding profanity or other stuff to help Larry's blog go off the rails that you go back over and delete it (if you have a Blogger ID) or tell Larry that he can delete it with your permission. If this is to be an experiment, I'd prefer that the regulars here not be the folks making things bad over there. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,02:07    While a few bad words might give some people the vapors, the seriously off-the-rails stuff involves indirect death threats.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,03:18    Whoa. Point taken. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,07:06    Quote (stevestory @ April 24 2006,07:07) While a few bad words might give some people the vapors, the seriously off-the-rails stuff involves indirect death threats. That is a very seriously worrisome post.  I mean, I know that JAD is nutters, but I didn't realize he might be... well, homicidal.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,07:45    Quote (Rilke's Granddaughter @ April 24 2006,12:06) 7--> Quote (stevestory @ April 24 2006,077) While a few bad words might give some people the vapors, the seriously off-the-rails stuff involves indirect death threats. That is a very seriously worrisome post.  I mean, I know that JAD is nutters, but I didn't realize he might be... well, homicidal. Personally, I find it very amusing. DS threatening to travel to Vermont and kick JAD's ass. JAD saying "bring it on".

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,07:58    6--> Quote (Rilke's Granddaughter @ April 24 2006,126) [quote=stevestory,April 24 2006,07<!--emo&]While a few bad words might give some people the vapors, the seriously off-the-rails stuff involves indirect death threats. That is a very seriously worrisome post.  I mean, I know that JAD is nutters, but I didn't realize he might be... well, homicidal.[/quote] Are we sure it is JAD, and not someone pretending to be him?  OK, it looks like him, and links to his profile, but can that be faked?  There's an apology there, for example, that to me doesn't read like JAD. I've just had a WTF moment.  I searched Web of Science for JAD's name, and found this: Dionyssiou DD, Demiri EC, Davison JA (2005). A simple method for determining the breast implant size in augmentation mammaplasty.  AESTHETIC PLASTIC SURGERY 29: 571-573. I think it should be acknowledged that my actual age and emotional age are slowly diverging. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,08:22    The JAD post is legit based on his profile. The davescot post he is responding to probably isn't.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,08:29    The apology may not come from the real JAD. The author's name is not clickable, contrary to the death threat post. The real author of the self-banning apology could be daveScot. Reading this blog is quite an enjoyment.

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,08:34    Quote Reading this blog is quite an enjoyment.   Yeah, but it's #### confusing.  As far as I can tell, the professor did it, in the hallway, with a shotgun. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,08:43    Oddly enough, my last three posts have not appeared.  Is Larry's blog out of memory?  Or is Larry going to impose a censorship policy after all? I would be very disappointed if he did - his willingness to permit any and all comments was very commendable.  And that's about the only thing I've ever said that was positive about Larry!  I must be slipping.

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:09    Larry is posting at PT again.  As 'nobody' in This thread.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:13    Well, check it out now, apparently the Davison 'apology' is fake. It never really sounded like Davison to me. But his 'shotgun' post appears to be authentic. Gotta admit, when Larry said he wasn't gonna censor, he was as good as his word... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:21    Old news, RGD.  He last posted in that thread a month ago.  No point bringing it up now. According to Larry, some comments are slow loading.  I'm inclined to believe him - the symptoms he described matched what I was observing.  Might be the traffic he's getting.

bourgeois_rage Posts: 117 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:36    Why don't these guys just use some blogging software that doesn't hold comments in queues, or delay posting the information? -------------- Overwhelming Evidence: Apply directly to the forehead.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:39    He's new to it, it's free, and it's popular (the AOL of blogging, as it were).  In other words, it's free and he doesn't know better.

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,09:56    Quote (W. Kevin Vicklund @ April 24 2006,14:21) Old news, RGD.  He last posted in that thread a month ago.  No point bringing it up now. According to Larry, some comments are slow loading.  I'm inclined to believe him - the symptoms he described matched what I was observing.  Might be the traffic he's getting. My bad.  Thanks.  Sometimes I'm just a little slow.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,10:12    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 24 2006,14:13) Well, check it out now, apparently the Davison 'apology' is fake. It never really sounded like Davison to me. But his 'shotgun' post appears to be authentic. Gotta admit, when Larry said he wasn't gonna censor, he was as good as his word... Somebody is deliberately disrupting Larry's blog. Posting under other peoples names and going way OTT. The only way you can be reasonably certain people are who they claim to be is if they are registered. Then a name is underlined and or apears in blue depending how you get to the comment section.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,10:53    That's what happens in blogs that allow comments from unregistered users.   Can Larry cancel the ability to post without being registered?

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,10:56    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 24 2006,12:45) Personally, I find it very amusing. DS threatening to travel to Vermont and kick JAD's ass. JAD saying "bring it on". I love it so!

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,11:48    Quote (jeannot @ April 24 2006,15:53) That's what happens in blogs that allow comments from unregistered users.   Can Larry cancel the ability to post without being registered? I don't know. It would be a good idea to do so if possible. I am quite impressed that Larry is refusing to censor. Looks like somebody wants to change that.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,18:29    I posted directions on my blog for how to force only registered users. Does anyone think it's anyone other than Dumbsh!t Dave that's putting up the nutso stuff? It is actually funny to read because it's so wacky. Poor Dave, I wonder how this has affected his bloggg. What's cool is that you can tease the IDiot and he can't stop you but his readership gets to comment too. Busts him down to corporal, y'know? -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2006,22:21    Quote (BWE @ April 24 2006,23:29) I posted directions on my blog for how to force only registered users. Does anyone think it's anyone other than Dumbsh!t Dave that's putting up the nutso stuff? It is actually funny to read because it's so wacky. Poor Dave, I wonder how this has affected his bloggg. What's cool is that you can tease the IDiot and he can't stop you but his readership gets to comment too. Busts him down to corporal, y'know? DS is my No1 suspect. So many of his stock-in-trade insults slip into the posts.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,04:36    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ April 25 2006,03:21) [quote=BWE,April 24 2006,23:29]I posted directions on my blog for how to force only registered users. Does anyone think it's anyone other than Dumbsh!t Dave that's putting up the nutso stuff? It is actually funny to read because it's so wacky. Poor Dave, I wonder how this has affected his bloggg. What's cool is that you can tease the IDiot and he can't stop you but his readership gets to comment too. Busts him down to corporal, y'know? DS is my No1 suspect. So many of his stock-in-trade insults slip into the posts. The nutso stuff seems to have slowed down a lot, but I'm not convinced there's only one person posting it all. It looks to me like a couple different people. If Larry's blog reduces the number of visitors to UD, DT has a ready-made solution: just slightly decrease the number of people he bans/deletes. Voila! No change in visitorship! -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,04:52    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 25 2006,09:36) If Larry's blog reduces the number of visitors to UD, DT has a ready-made solution: just slightly decrease the number of people he bans/deletes. Voila! No change in visitorship! Hah! As if. He would suffer withdrawal symptoms. I wonder how they would manifest thenselves. I doubt he could get any more vitriolic.

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,11:15    After reading (and posting) a few comments on this blog, I have to admit that one man there impresses me : John A Davison. I understand your addiction Alan. The man published in Science, and now he claims that ID is a law that should be followed without question, that evolution is finished (??), exposing this as a fact because HE has some peer reviewed papers, but that he won't read scientific literature because it's a bunch of lies (he was a scientist himself! ) spitting insults in every post like a ten year old kid (how old is he, 70?)... This is just impressive.   Dembski and others (Davescot included) are just evangelists, completely lost in the scientific theories they don't try to understand... But the Davison is unique. Read again his death threat. He's deadly serious, while other posters are more or less joking or parodying. I love him so.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,11:21    Quote (jeannot @ April 25 2006,16:15) After reading (and posting) a few comments on this blog, I have to admit that one man there impresses me : John A Davison. I understand your addiction Alan. The man published in Science, and now he claims that ID is a law that should be followed without question, that evolution is finished (??), exposing this as a fact because HE has some peer reviewed papers, but that he won't read scientific literature because it's a bunch of lies (he was a scientist himself! ) spitting insults in every post like a ten year old kid (how old is he, 70?)... This is just impressive.   Dembski and others (Davescot included) are just evangelists, completely lost in the scientific theories they don't try to understand... But the Davison is unique. Read again his death threat. He's deadly serious, while other posters are more or less joking or parodying. I love him so.   He's 77 years old. I know, I know. Let this be a lesson: plan your life during retirement better than that. Don't let this happen to you. Don't waste your 'golden years' being a bitter old crank who insults everyone and who absolutely no one takes seriously. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 25 2006,11:31    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 25 2006,16:21) Let this be a lesson: plan your life during retirement better than that. Don't let this happen to you. Don't waste your 'golden years' being a bitter old crank who insults everyone and who absolutely no one takes seriously. Stop it Arden, you're scaring me...!

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 26 2006,04:53    In Larry's latest thread, I managed to convince at leat one person that Luskin is arguing against ID.  Unless, of course, kizzmet is joking.  (In which case I must say he's very convincing, and he got me!  This new blog is great fun! -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 26 2006,10:18    Wow. Just wow. Quote Kizzzmet said... cj you wrote: "And I agree that IC is easy to understand. What is also easy to understand is that we expect such structures to result from natural selection, and, in fact, NS is the only well-understood process that could, in principle, give rise to such features." The problem is that natural selection doesn't change bodily structures, all it does is decide what survives. Mutation is supposedly what changes bodily structure. Chance mutation somehow built bio technology so complex that we cannot even begin to replicate it nor really understand how any of it works in great detail. A series of mutations built an eye? built a hand? built a nervous system? built wings? built mango seeds? built a rose? How can blind chance mutations build highly sophisticated bio technologically integrated massively complex information storing and reading life forms? That's like believing if you zap an amoeba and it's offspring with radiation for long enough that it will turn into an apple tree by chance. Or if you throw paint at a canvas long enough you'll get the Mona Lisa. It's just plain dumb. You also wrote: "A couple of questions, there, kizzmet: When, in your understanding, did this "unified field of superconcious energy" came into existence?" Many if not most physicists already believe and have hypothesized about a unified field of energy throughout the universe for some time now. When you want to consider the origin of matter/energy in the universe you have to come to a point where you say matter/energy has always existed. Why? Because if anything exists then there was never a time when nothing existed. This is because if there ever was a time when nothing existed then nothing would ever come into existence because nothing produces nothing. So the conclusion according to the current accepted laws of physics is the matter/energy can not be created nor destroyed. All it does is change into different types of matter/energy. So where did the universal superconscious unified field come from? It was always here. Although the consciousness and mind was in a potential state until some unknown change came about. The universe (infinite universe not the big bang bull) came alive at some point in time a very long time ago. It developed from an ignorant state into a supra intelligent state. This is how it had to happen because knowledge is not inherent in anything. All knowledge has a source and must be acquired. Therefore "God" was born totally ignorant and then developed over a very long period of time until eventually he/she was able to entertain itself. When you're the only conscious entity in existence with nothing to do but exist in infinite space all alone you are highly motivated to change that situation. The earth and similar planets are the result of "God" wanting something to do and intelligent people to relate with. Then you wrote: "Was everything in the living world designed, or just things that are IC?" All the product of design, "God" controls everything and everyone. We and everything else exist within and are a part of and depend on "God" for our existence. Then you wrote: "Was everyhting designed at the same time?" "God" has to actually make a plan and design things just like anyone else, so no it took a long time to design everything. But everything we have experience of on earth was designed trillions of years ago. "God" is very very ancient. Earth is just a tiny planet amongst trillions of similar and better planets with humans on them. Humans are the forms "God" created to enjoy with and to give other people lives to enjoy with. Our bodies are not the product of chance, they are the ultimate enjoying machines (potentially, when you have evolved your consciousnes to the perfected stage then you are given a perfect body and you will live on a perfect planet with no disease, death, old age etc) Then you asked: "Why are there so many extinct species? Thanks so much." It's all a part of a historical plan. History is not chaotic, it's all planned out and it happens in the same way on countless other earth type planets. The way history on earth has unfolded is for a purpose. It's like a movie in that it plays out according to the script and the director for a purpose. That purpose is to elevate our consciousness, evolve our consciousness. So the ancient earth existed for modern day purposes, for modern day debate. You must remember that until a little over one hundred years ago the very ancient past of earth had never been known by any humans throughout history. It's only in modern society where we have learned about the earth's distant past. What happened millions of years ago on earth was for the purpose of discussing it in modern society, to incite debate on these topics, to show us something e.g. the great age and planning skill of "God". But ID doesn't have ANYTHING to do with religion. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 26 2006,10:24    I'm still not totally convinced that kissmet is serious.  That stuff is pretty far out there. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2006,16:08    I'm still not totally convinced that JAD is serious. He draws inferences that boggle the mind. For example ... Oh jesus never mind. for example look at anything the real Mr. JDA has written. Oh yeah, apparently he wants to be called Dr. He doesn't like being called Mr. But I am having a problem calling him Dr. I keep forgetting and calling him Mr. I think he is the real money shot over there. I mean Larry is fun but he isn't the brightest bulb in the shed. JAD on the other hand, He's certifiable. He is also the only one I've ever heard make arguments that sound sciency. (well, behe and dembski sort of sound sciency but they don't have the same curb appeal. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,01:26    Jeannot, Stephen, BWE That's how it starts. You think you are the one in control; you think you are the one exercising free will. but it's all been predetermined. I look forward to meeting you in rehab soon!

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,04:17    Quote (Alan Fox @ April 28 2006,06:26) Jeannot, Stephen, BWE That's how it starts. You think you are the one in control; you think you are the one exercising free will. but it's all been predetermined. I look forward to meeting you in rehab soon! The first step is admitting you have a problem.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,08:18    Quote The first step is admitting you have a problem. The second step is caring that you have a problem?   -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:06    mmm, it seems some posts disappear from Larry's blog. Someone named Ben wrote a very insightful comment on JAD, but now his post is empty.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:14    What thread? -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:15    Quote (jeannot @ April 28 2006,16:06) mmm, it seems some posts disappear from Larry's blog. Someone named Ben wrote a very insightful comment on JAD, but now his post is empty. Well, if Ben is a registered user, it's conceivable he edited it himself. Otherwise, it looks like Larry took only 2 weeks to break his "I-Will-Never-Censor-Anyone" vows. Did anyone copy it? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:18    Apparently, Ben is not a registered user. EDIT : Strange, apparently his comment is back. Maybe it was just my web browser, but still...(?)

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:24    Isn't Larry a Holocaust denier, or revisionist?  When is he going to share on that subject? Chris -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,11:25    He's just getting warmed up. He'll get there. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

The Wayward Hammer Posts: 64 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 28 2006,12:04    I finally got around to reading Larry's blog.  What a fun mess.  JAD is a nasty old crank with nothing left to say other than the world passed him by.  His titanic jousts with DaveSnot are worth the price of admission.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,04:16    Quote >>>>Larry, it ain't our problem if you ain't bright enough to understand why the reconciliation of faith and science doesn't mean that science is religion.<<<< (Larry replies) What is your problem is that you are not bright enough to understand the points that I made in my opening post. This is why is it fun to bait, er, discuss ID and evolution with Larry. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,13:39    I thought Larry wasn't getting the attention he deserved. So I went hunting for something good, and found the following example of Larry's penetrating intellect. (From one of Chris Hyland's recent interactions with Lare-Dog:) Quote Larry:"And I have heard that some discoveries in genetics do not support evolution theory." Chris: Do you have any citations for this? Larry: Not at the moment -- it was just hearsay. But I know that scientists have tended to gloss over data that contradicts evolution theory, so I found it easy to believe the claim that some discoveries in genetics do not support evolution theory. I would not be surprised to find out that this is true. As usual, IDC folks get the kind of heroes they deserve... -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,13:41    LOL

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,18:17    Or this gem: Quote >>>>And, in answer to your comment above, If my religion tells that 2+2=3, should they avoid math in school or say that, even though I certainly have a right to my religion.<<<< (that was my question he is quoting) Well, why don't you start arguing "teach the controversy" in support of teaching your belief that 2+2=3 ? That was his answer to my question -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,07:22    2+2=3 for very small values of 2.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,06:22    Quote The next shithead who calls me ignorant of the law or biology is going to be scorched by a reply that will be the biggest flame that he ever got. Larry's enjoying his newfound fame. So are a bunch of people. -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,06:56    I briefly forgot about that guy.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,07:03    and within a minute of going there I'm cracking up colin says Quote You misunderstand the case. That is hardly surprising; having read your posts, you are as bewilderingly ignorant of the law as you are of biology... (and his post goes on for pages explaining what's wrong with Larry's argument) then Quote Anonymous said...    Colin, it's really much easier to summarize Larry's posts on law and biology:    "Larry, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about."    There, that sums it up nicely.    Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:16:48 PM larry: Quote >>>>>You misunderstand the case. That is hardly surprising; having read your posts, you are as bewilderingly ignorant of the law as you are of biology.<<<<<< The next shithead who calls me ignorant of the law or biology is going to be scorched by a reply that will be the biggest flame that he ever got. colin: Quote Colin said...    The next shithead who calls me ignorant of the law or biology is going to be scorched by a reply that will be the biggest flame that he ever got.    That's very nice. But if people constantly tell you that you don't understand those topics, isn't it just possible that they are right? You really, truly don't comprehend the law in this case. Larry: Quote Larry Fafarman said...    Colin said ( 5/03/2006 105:43 PM ) --    >>>>But if people constantly tell you that you don't understand those topics, isn't it just possible that they are right?<<<<<    No. LOL!

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,07:14    Larry's now calling his critics 'shitheads'? Tsk tsk tsk. So much for his short-lived 'moral high ground'.   "Everyone everywhere repeatedly tells me I have no idea what I'm talking about in terms of the law or biology. But I know that they're all wrong. I just know. Besides, John Davison said he likes me!" -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,08:24    It's.  It's horrible.  I just had a quick peek to see what Larry was up to, and just had to read all of the thread with Colin the Lawyer (and JAD, of course).  It's like a Jeffrey Archer novel.  You know it's crap, but you can't stop yourself. Bob P.S. for hockey fans: Finland managed to amass 39 minutes of penalties in the first period of their match against Latvia.  And the score was still 0-0. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,10:57    Quote I briefly forgot about that guy. So you're not "anonymous" then? Quote P.S. for hockey fans: ?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,11:44    when he first started the blog i posted a few comments, but nothing in weeks.

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2006,19:35    Quote Quote I briefly forgot about that guy. So you're not "anonymous" then? No.  At least not over there.  I'm uneasy with the way people are tormenting Larry: he is still a human being, and deserves some respect.  Although I am starting to lean towards the Mr. Potatohead theory. Quote Quote P.S. for hockey fans: ? Sorry, ice hockey.  I've been in Finland too long. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Colin Posts: 11 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,08:17    Quote I just had a quick peek to see what Larry was up to, and just had to read all of the thread with Colin the Lawyer (and JAD, of course). That would be me (Colin, that is, not JAD).  I'm always surprised to look up and realize that I've just written four or five pages.  I suppose I just get lost in my own amusement.  Since I'm a rank layperson on the scientific front, I enjoy getting to discuss creationism as it touches my chosen field.  As well, there are just so many things to say about how poorly Larry understands the subject!

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,08:37    Quote (Colin @ May 08 2006,13:17) Quote I just had a quick peek to see what Larry was up to, and just had to read all of the thread with Colin the Lawyer (and JAD, of course). That would be me (Colin, that is, not JAD).  I'm always surprised to look up and realize that I've just written four or five pages.  I suppose I just get lost in my own amusement.  Since I'm a rank layperson on the scientific front, I enjoy getting to discuss creationism as it touches my chosen field.  As well, there are just so many things to say about how poorly Larry understands the subject! Larry's grip on reality is rather tenuous. He seems to think he is winning arguments when he is made to look foolish. (as you have no doubt noticed). I do like his blog though. EDIT: The JAD V DS posts are of particular value. Worth paying for.

Colin Posts: 11 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,11:03    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ May 08 2006,13:37) I do like his blog though. Yeah, I'll give him credit for that - he's honest enough to accept all comers, which puts him head and shoulders above the sycophancy at Uncommon Descent.

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2006,18:49    I had thought about suggesting you somehow bring up Blum v. Stenson to watch his (further) meltdown, when the sucker did it himself.  What do you think of my analysis, Colin?  Spot-on, or do you want to add some clarifications?  BTW, if you didn't see it earlier, go back to the PT thread he (didn't) link to and scroll up to see my initial smack-down of him regarding Blum v. Stenson.  He initially brought it up to dispute my argument that different attorneys could get different rates (thus nullifying his 9-10 attorneys of record argument).

Colin Posts: 11 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2006,08:15    Seems perfectly accurate, although I don't know much about that area of law.  What was he originally trying to demonstrate?

W. Kevin Vicklund Posts: 68 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 11 2006,11:42    From his 20 reasons he thinks Jones is a hack, number 17.  Here is number 17, revised to exclude arguments not then advanced: Quote (17) Only "reasonable" attorney fee awards are allowed under the law, but Jones never said that he was going to reduce the plaintiffs` calculated fee award on the grounds that they had a grossly excessive number of attorneys of record, 9-10... In contrast, the defendants had just 4 attorneys of record -- three from the Thomas More Law Center and one local attorney ( who might not have played an important role in the case ). That's it.  No reasons why 9-10 is excessive, just the bald assertation that the number was excessive.  I showed how having multiple lawyers with varying pay rates could reduce attorney fees, even if there were overlapping hours (such as during meetings), compared to just using one lawyer with a high pay rate.  He invoked Blum v. Stenson, saying that it prevented variable pay rates.  It's in the Dover Trap thread on PT, about midway through.

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,09:17    Oh, by the way, Larry appears to have posted at PT again: here.

thurdl01 Posts: 99 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,09:24    Yeah, point #13 certainly seals it, since one of his favorite things to harp about is his perception of the plantiff's legal team being excessively large.  And certainly don't put it beneath him to defend himself in the third person, hasn't he conducted conversations between two different names before?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 12 2006,11:22    Quote (Rilke's Granddaughter @ May 12 2006,14:17) Oh, by the way, Larry appears to have posted at PT again: here. Yeah, check out all the bounced responses at the Bathroom Wall. Yeesh. What happened? Maybe the no. of visitors at his blog dropped and he got lonely? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 13 2006,11:00    Looks like JAD and DS moved there argument over to brainstorms. Check it out, funny funny stuff. They've derailed about 3 threads.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 18 2006,20:12    I know we're not supposed to post his comments here, but I can't resist.  This is the most sensible (and awesome) thing JAD has said in decades, I'm sure.  From his NEW blog: Quote Larry's forum is interesting. When there is no moderation, the mindless jackals of cyberspace are attracted like flies to meat to vent their hideous spleens in gay abandon. And there's your new handle, STJ.  "Hideous Spleen." -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin