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Robert O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,02:09   

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps....0420009

He will be joining Grove City College as an associate professor of astronomy. I am happy for him. He won't have to deal with the slime balls he faced at ISU, who can rot away in obscurity in Ames.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,02:20   

Ah, a Christian establishment. [shock! horror!]

That'll be the end of his meaningful research but the DI will find a slot for him and he'll write a couple of books, "My martyr story" and "I see God in the complexity of the heavens".

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,04:48   

From Wikipedia:

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Grove City College is a Christian liberal arts college in Grove City, Pennsylvania, about sixty-five miles north of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. According to college president Richard Jewell, "The two tenets that this school is most about are faith and freedom."[1]

The school emphasizes a humanities core curriculum, which endorses the Judeo-Christian Western tradition and the free market. While loosely associated with the Presbyterian Church (USA), the college is non-denominational and does not require students to sign a statement of faith, though they are required to attend sixteen chapel services per semester.



Sounds like he'll fit right in.  Absolutely everyone here expected him to get a new job at a Christian college, and as usual Robert slags off people he doesnt know and don't deserve it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,05:19   

And yet freegonzalez.com continues to solicit donations on the basis that he no longer has an academic position.
 
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Donation Information
Your donation is fully tax-deductible to the amount allowed by law and will go to the Guillermo Gonzalez Research Fund established by Discovery Institute¹s Center for Science and Culture. This fund will be used to support Dr. Gonzalez¹s research and his efforts to secure a new academic position. Discovery Institute is a non-profit, non-partisan research and education organization, recognized by the IRS under 501©(3) of the federal tax code.

http://www.freegonzalez.com/involved.html

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,05:53   

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And yet freegonzalez.com continues to solicit donations on the basis that he no longer has an academic position.
 
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Your donation is fully tax-deductible to the amount allowed by law and will go to the Guillermo Gonzalez Research Fund established by Discovery Institute¹s Center for Science and Culture. This fund will be used to support Dr. Gonzalez¹s research and his efforts to secure a new academic position. Discovery Institute is a non-profit, non-partisan research and education organization, recognized by the IRS under 501©(3) of the federal tax code.

http://www.freegonzalez.com/involved.html

I've just sent him an email. It'll be interesting to see what the response will be.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,06:30   

Thats what I was going to suggest.

Possible responses:
1) Oops, sorry, I'll take the website down.
2) Why should i believe you lying darwinist scum?
3) Thats a different Gonzalez.
4) No answer.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,09:58   

Good for Gonzalez. From now on he can do no research, have no students who finish their PhD's, and bring in no grant money, and no one will object.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,10:08   

Didn't we already know this?

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,13:00   

Do they mint their own money? ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,19:10   

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Good for Gonzalez. From now on he can do no research, have no students who finish their PhD's, and bring in no grant money, and no one will object.


In which case he seems to be the ideal candidate for the job having perfected his technique over the past seven years at ISU.

  
ERV



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,19:31   

Quote (don_quixote @ April 21 2008,05:53)
I've just sent him an email. It'll be interesting to see what the response will be.

Dont send him an email.

Send one to his uni.

Ask them if it is a Grove City tradition to have their professors hold part-time pan-handling positions.

  
Robert O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,19:51   

Quote (ERV @ April 21 2008,19:31)
Dont send him an email.

Send one to his uni.

Ask them if it is a Grove City tradition to have their professors hold part-time pan-handling positions.

I know you like to harass people associated with ID but I suggest leaving him alone and taking up another hobby.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,20:03   

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I know you like to harass people associated with ID but I suggest leaving him alone and taking up another hobby.


No, we stand up and oppose liars and charlatans who work to damage science education in this nation.  It is Gonzalez and the Discovery Institute who created this stink.  Every other astronomer who was denied tenure has gotten on with their work and careers without playing the religious persecution card in public.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,20:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 21 2008,20:03)
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I know you like to harass people associated with ID but I suggest leaving him alone and taking up another hobby.


No, we stand up and oppose liars and charlatans who work to damage science education in this nation.  It is Gonzalez and the Discovery Institute who created this stink.  Every other astronomer who was denied tenure has gotten on with their work and careers without playing the religious persecution card in public.

Save it, Dilbert. I've heard your spiel before. Guillermo Gonzalez did nothing wrong and I think he was treated unjustly.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,20:11   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 21 2008,00:09)
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps....0420009

He will be joining Grove City College as an associate professor of astronomy. I am happy for him. He won't have to deal with the slime balls he faced at ISU, who can rot away in obscurity in Ames.

(via Olorin)

"Rot away in obscurity"?

Robert, try thinking before you rant. Which do you think is more 'obscure': a Christian liberal arts college in Grove City, Pennsylvania, or Iowa State University? It's obvious you're pissed off, but you could try and make a *little* sense.

Now that Gonzalez has another job he should grow the fuck up, admit he fucked up his tenure track time at ISU, and tell the DI to quit panhandling for him. I see no reason to institute special rules of tenure for someone just because the DI likes him. And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,20:30   

Take the Red Pill, BobOB.

Gonzalez did nothing, all right, and got treated fairly and squarely.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,20:31   

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Guillermo Gonzalez did nothing wrong and I think he was treated unjustly.

Fixed that for you.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,21:10   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 21 2008,20:11)
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 21 2008,00:09)
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps....0420009

He will be joining Grove City College as an associate professor of astronomy. I am happy for him. He won't have to deal with the slime balls he faced at ISU, who can rot away in obscurity in Ames.

(via Olorin)

"Rot away in obscurity"?

Robert, try thinking before you rant. Which do you think is more 'obscure': a Christian liberal arts college in Grove City, Pennsylvania, or Iowa State University? It's obvious you're pissed off, but you could try and make a *little* sense.

Now that Gonzalez has another job he should grow the fuck up, admit he fucked up his tenure track time at ISU, and tell the DI to quit panhandling for him. I see no reason to institute special rules of tenure for someone just because the DI likes him. And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money.

Iowa State is known for football, statistics, and agriculture (or so I assume). It is not known for physics. Add to that the fact that Ames is a soul-enervating ****hole (yes, I've been there) and I'd say Dr. Gonzalez comes out ahead of his opponents.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,21:17   

Well, 'cept for grants.

...and papers.

...and graduate students who successfully defend their theses.

Other than that, he's ahead of them.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,21:37   

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And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money.

I think I recently read somewhere that Grove City does not provide tenure and hires on one year contracts, but I can't find it now. Perhaps someone here knows for sure?

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,21:59   

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Iowa State is known for football, statistics, and agriculture (or so I assume).


So you assume. Ah.

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It is not known for physics. Add to that the fact that Ames is a soul-enervating ****hole (yes, I've been there) and I'd say Dr. Gonzalez comes out ahead of his opponents.


Grove State is known for its physics? Or astronomy?

Well, compare ISU Physics & Astronomy here, where, BTW, Gonzalez is still listed, versus Grove City here.

Among other things, ISU's department has a grad program, and GC's does not.

Frankly, I wouldn't relish living in *either* Ames, Iowa OR Grove City, PA, but lots of really good universities are out in nowheresville towns. And by any rational measure, ISU is obviously a better institution. (Which is why they had a normal, rigorous tenure process typical of a major American university.)

This was all hashed out here last fall, Robert.

('Dilbert'?)

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(Permalink) Posted: April 21 2008,22:01   

Quote (Richard Simons @ April 21 2008,21:37)
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And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money.

I think I recently read somewhere that Grove City does not provide tenure and hires on one year contracts, but I can't find it now. Perhaps someone here knows for sure?

At Grove City*, your contract is renewed only if you sing loudly enough in the choir, so it looks  like there is a  pretty rigourous and stringent requirement.  Compared to Bob Jones, or Liberty.


* I totally made this up.  However, Heddle seems to think highly of Grove City.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,02:02   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 21 2008,21:10)
Iowa State is known for football, statistics, and agriculture (or so I assume). It is not known for physics. Add to that the fact that Ames is a soul-enervating ****hole (yes, I've been there) and I'd say Dr. Gonzalez comes out ahead of his opponents.

I guess ISU did Gonzales quite a favor by not granting him tenure then, didn't they? So what's all the fuss about?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,02:17   

at least there are fucking ramps in PA, even if it is a white bread yankee bourgeois colony with a slave plantation in the western quarter.  Gonzalez is way ahead, he'll never have to think again.  Except he is toking on the DI flesh spicket.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,03:13   

To add to my previous comment: "Didn't we already know this?" I would like to append the following:

Don't we know that Bobby is merely trolling for yucks and poopies? Bobby, time and again, has demonstrated he is a TarTar of the lowest, most oleaginous rung. Even I'm not sufficiently stupid to credit this attempt at flamebait with more than cursory piss-taking!

Louis

P.S. Brief on topic addendum: GG goes to christian school to excape da perhersecushun? Big fucking surprise. I feel sorry for the guy. He sold himself very cheaply to a set of very dumb ideas and people.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,09:38   

Quote (Louis @ April 22 2008,03:13)
To add to my previous comment: "Didn't we already know this?" I would like to append the following:

Don't we know that Bobby is merely trolling for yucks and poopies? Bobby, time and again, has demonstrated he is a TarTar of the lowest, most oleaginous rung. Even I'm not sufficiently stupid to credit this attempt at flamebait with more than cursory piss-taking!

Louis

P.S. Brief on topic addendum: GG goes to christian school to excape da perhersecushun? Big fucking surprise. I feel sorry for the guy. He sold himself very cheaply to a set of very dumb ideas and people.

My good knob,

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:12   

Rob, do you get to hand these out / be at the award dinners?

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....a_1.php

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:22   

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Rob, do you get to hand these out / be at the award dinners?

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....a_1.php

Nah. I do not accept awards from college drop outs/failed comedians. Did I ever tell you the initial cause of the bad blood between Ed and I? One day I decided to drop in on him and when he stepped out of his kitchen to take a phone call I ate his last Krispy Kreme. He has not forgiven me for that faux pas to this day.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:26   

Alright, before this gets out of hand, let's get the thread back on topic, which is Gonzalez and his new job.



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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:29   

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,10:22)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,10:12)
Rob, do you get to hand these out / be at the award dinners?

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....a_1.php

Nah. I do not accept awards from college drop outs/failed comedians. Did I ever tell you the initial cause of the bad blood between Ed and I? One day I decided to drop in on him and when he stepped out of his kitchen to take a phone call I ate his last Krispy Kreme. He has not forgiven me for that faux pas to this day.

Hmmm.

Should I

(a) Talk about attacking arguments, not people
(b) Opine on what Jesus would do
© Ask What Rob's qualifications are
(d) Get a donut because this post made me hungry.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:40   

Quote (Richard Simons @ April 21 2008,21:37)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 21 2008,20:11)
And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money.

I think I recently read somewhere that Grove City does not provide tenure and hires on one year contracts, but I can't find it now. Perhaps someone here knows for sure?

GC (when I was considering applying there, about 3 years ago--but never completed the application) did not have tenure. However, I believe that they had more than one year contracts, depending on how long you were there, and Gonzalez will be an Associate Prof, so he may have a multiyear contract.

Grants are a problem at GC, because the do not want to take any government money. That means not getting grants is not a big problem--since by their own rules they make it difficult. However, I was told that there is a way around--you team up with another university. They get the grant, and then subcontract to you. The money is laundered.

The school is very selective--average SATs in the 13 hundreds if I recall correctly. And the sciences are taught rigorously. You do not have to affirm a YEC position.

I don't know all the Christian colleges, but of those I do know, I like Grove City the best.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,10:43   

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Grants are a problem at GC, because the do not want to take any government money. That means not getting grants is not a big problem--since by their own rules they make it difficult. However, I was told that there is a way around--you team up with another university. They get the grant, and then subcontract to you. The money is laundered.

Somehow, that reminds of laundering the Sci-Am subscription through the wife.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,11:12   

Dr Gonzales HAS BEEN DENIED TENURE AT GROVE CITY COLLEGE.

This Christian college has provocatively denied tenure to this superbly qualified scientist of Newtonian calibre.  A college spokesman said that many Professors at Grove City are denied tenure and it was in no way because Dr Gonzales holds some materialistic science views.  

"Grove City has a long history of denying tenure to its professors and refusing to renew contracts. It's simply the best way to manage issues of academic freedom."

Someone should make a film.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,11:26   

Quote (Quidam @ April 22 2008,11:12)
Dr Gonzales HAS BEEN DENIED TENURE AT GROVE CITY COLLEGE.

This Christian college has provocatively denied tenure to this superbly qualified scientist of Newtonian calibre.  A college spokesman said that many Professors at Grove City are denied tenure and it was in no way because Dr Gonzales holds some materialistic science views.  

"Grove City has a long history of denying tenure to its professors and refusing to renew contracts. It's simply the best way to manage issues of academic freedom."

Someone should make a film.


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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,17:00   

As reported by the Iowa State Daily, GG said


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Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities.

"At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense."


Personally, I don't believe this at all. Anonymous guy talking about "someone."  Typical creationist, making stuff up.  Good for GG working at a bible college where faith trumps integrity.  He'll do well there.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,17:02   

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As reported by the Iowa State Daily, GG said


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Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities.

"At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense."


Personally, I don't believe this at all. Anonymous guy talking about "someone."  Typical creationist, making stuff up.  Good for GG working at a bible college where faith trumps integrity.  He'll do well there.

No, its true. I readed it on teh internests..

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,17:07   

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As reported by the Iowa State Daily, GG said


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Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities.

"At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense."


Personally, I don't believe this at all. Anonymous guy talking about "someone."  Typical creationist, making stuff up.  Good for GG working at a bible college where faith trumps integrity.  He'll do well there.

I believe GG. You obviously do not know the first thing about him or Grove City College.

Stick to strummin' your banjo, hayseed.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,17:30   

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Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities.

"At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense."

Speaks volumes about his reputation as an astronomer if all they know of him is that 'he's that ID guy'

University departments know the leaders and up and comers in their fields from their recent papers and research programs.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2008,18:33   

Robert, if you're just trolling for some company and conversation, there are better ways to go about it.

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