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Date: 2008/03/25 22:59:14, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/03/26 09:25:15, Link
Author: Quidam
The emphasis the movie makes on the holocaust is a Godsend (literally).  Everyone knows about Holocaust revisionists and how to deal with them.  That the notorious antisemite Mathis actually paid a Jew to stand up and lie for him makes it all the more ironic.

If they had chosen Stalin it would have been more difficult to rebut in a way that the average 'Merkin could comprehend, but Nazis are too easy. Since the Expelled site publicly claims "Evolution leads to atheism leads to eugenics leads to Holocaust and Nazi Germany", that's hate speech in virtually all countries.  If that aspect is emphasised the ID folk will be backpedalling from the movie so fast only AiG will be left.

Date: 2008/03/26 16:29:55, Link
Author: Quidam
Great idea MidWifeToad.  But do you mind if I take the blue ball and run with it a bit

Date: 2008/03/26 17:33:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Ben Repaints History

Date: 2008/03/26 22:58:40, Link
Author: Quidam
Ben Stein  
Quote
Darwinism does not always lead to Nazism. It is, though, a necessary albeit not sufficient component

Date: 2008/03/26 23:50:59, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/03/27 15:38:54, Link
Author: Quidam
I think Ben Stein as a Schoolgirl Hooker was enough teasing.  :D

Date: 2008/03/27 20:38:45, Link
Author: Quidam

PZ Ben

Date: 2008/03/29 13:53:20, Link
Author: Quidam
It seems the eXpelled folk are so worried about theaters not wanting to show their movie and no one showing up if they do, that they are now asking devotees to "Adopt a Theater"

Date: 2008/03/29 16:46:03, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (ERV @ Mar. 26 2008,20:41)
 
Quote (didymos @ Mar. 26 2008,21:34)
Seriously?  The guy had no part in the actual animation in the film. Wow. Just...what the hell? What'll they claim next I wonder: they exposed the Harvard footage to radiation and it evolved?  I really would dearly love to get a hold of the stuff from the film and do a frame by frame comparison to Harvard's.

No, dude did other shit-- he just said he had nothing to do with that particular bit of animation.  'He said.'

Dude appears to be a genuine computer animator, so I believe him.  Copy someone elses shit, and you will never work again, plus I assume there is something about honor in art and being original.

Seems like someone else might have had a hand in this.

Someone with access to people who are not computer animators as artists, but as a, I dunno, computer animators as a mindless computer task.

I dont know who that someone might be...........

Kevin?

Date: 2008/03/29 19:05:47, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/03/29 23:25:09, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/03/31 21:10:47, Link
Author: Quidam
If that video was produced by the expelled team then I  have to ask: why, if that talent was available, did they not use it to produce a witty, intelligent and entertaining film, instead of the dull, inane and boring one they did?

Date: 2008/04/01 16:44:03, Link
Author: Quidam
At the risk of blowing his cover, Behe actually IS on our side. And he doesn't hide it. Whenever he's pushed, he affirms that evolution is an accurate statement of reality and that he agrees with an ancient earth, common ancestry and evolution. In the meantime he milks the creationists every decade with another book that recycles tired old arguments. When he gets pulled in front of a judge, he make a token effort and either takes a dive or carefully points out the flaws in his own arguments.

His faint support is brilliant. He manages to make a career and good money from creationists while subtly castrating them. If he didn't show up someone else might.

Date: 2008/04/01 16:48:34, Link
Author: Quidam
I had to have a cold shower after shopping that one.  It was disturbing on so many levels. I can't pass a High School now without getting some very strange impulses.

I hope you appreciate the suffering I'm going through for your entertainment.

Date: 2008/04/01 21:06:05, Link
Author: Quidam
I like the eXXXoelled idea, time for a revision

Date: 2008/04/01 23:52:45, Link
Author: Quidam
I don't know if Behe is in the fillum but he's on the 'Field trip' part of the site
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/bigscie....p_4.php
Quote
Dr. Michael Behe: Lehigh University Professor of Biochemistry

Due to Dr. Behe’s dissenting views on evolution, Lehigh University exhibits the following disclaimer on its website:

“While we respect Prof. Behe’s right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested experimentally and should not be regarded as scientific.”

How shocking.  They - gasp - disagreed with him - publicly.  Clearly raging, dogmatic persecution.  Professors must be given the right to express inane opinions without fear of hearing discouraging words.

Date: 2008/04/02 09:40:44, Link
Author: Quidam
W. Dembski:
So, what do you get exactly for the $9.50 per minute?

You get to explore your fantasy with someone who will agree with anything you say.

"Oooh - show me some specified complexity, sweety."

"Now that's what I call an Explanatory Filter, big boy!"

"I've been naughty, will you expel me again - please, Dr Dr?"

"I'll show you my black box if you show me your flagellum"

"Yeah baby, eject that atheist, now, now - Oh you missed one"

"It's OK Honey, I don't need results. No really it's all right, I'm used to it with cdesign proponentists."

"It's Dover now, or would you like another 5 minutes?"

Date: 2008/04/02 10:20:06, Link
Author: Quidam
Ben Stein didn't come from no monkey

Date: 2008/04/02 10:46:52, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (ReligionProf @ April 02 2008,06:47)
I've posted the latest promotional image for the movie Expelled, which I received in an e-mail, at http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/04/freedom-friday.html

I don't have photoshop here, but I suspect that many of the regulars here will have even better ideas than I would for how to make the image more entertaining. I'd be delighted if you'd share your results on my blog, or allow me to...

I have this one, but I think it's a bit wordy.

Date: 2008/04/02 15:43:16, Link
Author: Quidam

Benna the Stein

"This evolutionist is my kind of scum..."
"You mean carbonate isn't the same as carbonite?"
"No sneaking into OUR movie"
"You weak-minded fool, he's using an old evolutionist mind trick! "

Captions please :)

May the 4th be with you.

Date: 2008/04/02 15:50:25, Link
Author: Quidam
No Bonaparte, no Waterloo.

I don't think Dr Dr could get a Bonaparte, (unless he thinks of DO'L first)

Date: 2008/04/02 17:16:09, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
"There will be no bargain, young JediDarwinist. I shall enjoy watching your theory die."
I LIKE that one :)

Date: 2008/04/02 20:46:52, Link
Author: Quidam
Fact:  Behe is really PZ Myers with Harry Potter glasses and a silly grin

Date: 2008/04/02 21:44:31, Link
Author: Quidam
Not Nazi enough for you?

Ben can do Nazi Slut too, only $11.32/min

Date: 2008/04/07 14:46:45, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (JohnW @ April 07 2008,13:29)
You are saying (as, I gather, is Weikard) that Hitler mentions evolution, therefore evolution is an indispensible part of Hitler's worldview, and therefore the Holocaust is Darwin's fault.  

I don't think Hitler ever mentioned Evolution or Darwin  in any writings or speeches. Please prove me wrong.

Whatever 'Darwinian language' there may be it has to be imagined into his works. Simple assertions that talk of racial purity and weakening bllodlines is not 'Darwinian language',  it is Biblical language:
Quote
Ezra
9:1 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.  
9:2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass
...
9:11 Which thou hast commanded by thy servants the prophets, saying, The land, unto which ye go to possess it, is an unclean land with the filthiness of the people of the lands, with their abominations, which have filled it from one end to another with their uncleanness.  
9:12 Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth for ever: that ye may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever.

Date: 2008/04/08 12:06:44, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 07 2008,20:42)
Anyway, the real question is that now that Gonzalez has landed on his feet at Grove City, whether Dembski et al will quit including him on their list of martyrs. I think we all know the answer to that one. ???

It's certainly the end of his serious career and likely self respect.  But not an end to his livelihood.

If you are a mediocre 'scientist', the easiest way to become a 'renowned and brilliant scientist'  is to write a book the Fundies like.  

Were it not for his once a decade ID books, who would have ever heard of, let alone paid attention to Behe? Or how else would a 3rd rate actor and Nixon hack ever get to be described as 'Einsteinian'?

So here goes: 'I suspect that random chance cannot fully explain the diversity if life on Earth.'  

AiG's response: "Dr. Quidam is a true genius, this erudite and highly respected scientist has, with Newtonian brilliance, identified the key problem with Darwinism that Big Science is unable to explain"

Date: 2008/04/08 20:34:43, Link
Author: Quidam
Ooooh I know, I know


It doesn't :)

Last count it was 487, but some may have decided to show a money maker instead.  It's too close to the release date to get any more now. You'd have to either find an empty theatre or persuade them to drop a real film and show theirs.

Date: 2008/04/09 19:49:32, Link
Author: Quidam
They have no time to remove the offending clips. If they postpone the release then they have lost their market.   if they release it with the challenged clips then they will have an expensive lawsuit and lose their revenues.    

My bet is that they will release it anyway and then pose as martyrs oppressed by Big Science (as opposed to ID's Little Science)

Date: 2008/04/10 15:42:05, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 10 2008,13:18)
Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) plays Dembski.  Danny DeVito plays Behe.

Dr. Dr. Beanski

Date: 2008/04/10 16:48:49, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (JohnW @ April 10 2008,15:05)
I agree with Albatrossity.  Rowan Atkinson plays Denyse.  

Date: 2008/04/11 11:24:22, Link
Author: Quidam
If the legged snake fossil is examined though a Biblical lens it can be clearly seen to support the Genesis account.  

Date: 2008/04/11 15:27:08, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Louis @ April 11 2008,11:35)
Jenna Jameson as Denyse? C'mon the juxtaposition ALONE should cause some portion of the universe to implode spontaneously out of ironic disgust.



I need a cold shower

Date: 2008/04/13 13:43:12, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (steve_h @ April 12 2008,16:42)
This could mean that someone has created a draft post and not published it, or that something was posted and subsequently disappeared (either Demsbki posted something, or  somebody else posted in Demsbki's name), either way it would be difficult for an outsider to fake this.

Date: 2008/04/14 14:52:25, Link
Author: Quidam
It's sunny right now,

OH - MY - GOD

THERE IS A GAP IN THE CLOUDS

If you want me, I'll be hiding under my deak

Date: 2008/04/15 22:02:49, Link
Author: Quidam
I wonder how the Expelled producers presented the movie concept to the music copyright owners

Yoko Ono Sells Out John Lennon To Creationist Manufactroversy.

Or maybe they didn't?

Date: 2008/04/16 10:51:55, Link
Author: Quidam
Mathis seems confused as to what animation is going to be shown in the final cut

 
Quote
GW: I have compared the original Harvard footage with the promo DVD version that Myers has posted at Pharyngula, and though I’ve only seen the film once, as I recall, there are very, very substantial differences between the final cut of the animation and the version that appears on the promo DVD. Is that right?

MM: You know, I haven’t made— I believe that’s the case; but I haven’t actually watched what Myers has posted. I haven’t made my own comparison. I apologize; I should have done that, because I have the DVD version. I have the film on PC, too, so I can do that. My problem has been that I’m running so hard and fast doing twenty-seven other things that— I know that we’ve got Executive Producers who have dealt with this specifically, and this is kind of in the periphery of what I’ve been involved in. But I’m glad you brought that up, because I need to make that comparison myself, just for my own. But I know, because I’ve watched both, that certainly there are significant differences and improvements, and I believe that, because of those substantial differences, there isn’t any merit to the charge.


I think those promo DVD's are going to be very important to XVIVIO.  Since they were what XVIIO's letter was based on, if the final cut has changed once more, the DVD's will show the cdesign proponentist fossil record as it evolved.  Somewhere there exists a cut with the unaltered XVIVIO animation just waiting to be found.

Premise's retaliatory lawsuit would have to be based on the prerelease DVD not the final cut, since that was the best information XVIVIO had.  Also if they violated copyright on the promo DVD - it's still copyright violation for commercial gain.

Date: 2008/04/16 11:43:11, Link
Author: Quidam
Possibly

Date: 2008/04/16 20:49:26, Link
Author: Quidam
It also seems likely that the music played in the pre-release showings and DVD were not liciensed either
http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008....ly.html

However given recent events I rather think that the final release will have elevator musak instead of Lennon and the Killers

I wonder if the Michael Edmondson witness protection and internet cleansing thing is because they are not using his animation any more.

Date: 2008/04/16 20:55:31, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Vegemite is better than marmite,
Yeah and Fosters is better than horse piss, but not much.

Bloody colonials... mutter

Date: 2008/04/16 22:36:06, Link
Author: Quidam
All we need are for XVIVIO, Harvard, Yoko Ono and The Killers to pool funds and show them why you get expelled for stealing.

This is no casual oversight.  They have said that they think fair use covers using a 25 second music clip in an advert - I rather think there are some well financed musicians who would disagree.

Date: 2008/04/16 23:40:00, Link
Author: Quidam
They are obviously thinking 5 moves ahead.  Just think of the free publicity as they get from three Waterloos


Make that two - it seems they did license the Killers
Quote
Bloggers also questioned whether another popular rock group, the Killers, had given permission for the inclusion in the film of one of their songs, "All These Things That I've Done." A spokesman for Vivendi SA's Universal Music Group, which owns the band's record label and music publisher, said licenses had been issued.

Date: 2008/04/17 09:17:03, Link
Author: Quidam
I am split over whether I would watch it. I rather feel I should, but I don't need to actually watch "2 girls 1 cup" to know what it contains and that it's nasty and not something I want to watch. I haven't seen 'The Passion' either, because I have seen enough clips to know that 2 hours of the best blood modern cinema can provide splattering a bunch of B movie actors is not the kind of thing I would enjoy - very much like the '2 Girls' movie except that most of the the excrement and vomit is replaced by blood.

I'll maybe see it when it comes to a church basement with free cookies. As long as they are home-made cookies. Oatmeal and raisin. Oh and good coffee. And a blow job from the Pastor's daughter. Both of them.

Date: 2008/04/17 20:55:24, Link
Author: Quidam
More on the copyright licensing scandal.  It seems that scientists weren't the only ones lied to...

 
Quote
I just spoke to the band's manager, and adding to the confusion was the fact that they did authorize a project months ago with this request:

Quote:
'The film is a satirical documentary with an estimated running time of 1 hour and 50 minutes, exploring academic freedom in public schools and government institutions with actor, comedian, economist, Ben Stein as the spokesperson.']

What they authorized was a documentary about 'academic freedom in schools', not the film that the producers produced.

They contacted the producers of the film to ask that the song be removed but it is too late. Unfortunately it was misrepresented to them when the request came through to use it. Add this band to a long line of people who were misled by the producers of this film."


She later added:

"The band asked the producers to remove their song from the film when they became aware of the true nature of it. They were told it is too late. That's all there is."

http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2008....ng.html

I doubt they have any comeback any more than PZ, Dawkins, Scott et al do.  

But the idea that Premise can use half a minute of a Beatles song under 1st amendment or 'fair use' is bizarre.  it all comes down to whether Ono will go after them ... I rather think she will.  

Then Stein, Mathis and crew will be singing another Lennon song:

Christ you know it ain't easy,
You know how hard it can be.
The way things are going
They're going to crucify me.

Date: 2008/04/17 21:59:09, Link
Author: Quidam
Your wish is my command

Date: 2008/04/17 22:04:17, Link
Author: Quidam
I'm betting that their One millions dollars will go to further enrich Yoko Ono's retirement.

Date: 2008/04/17 22:53:44, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Make him bald

If you insist






Date: 2008/04/18 09:47:05, Link
Author: Quidam
Dr. Dr. Evil

Date: 2008/04/18 10:17:26, Link
Author: Quidam
You know that image has been bothering me, but it's the spitting image of President Merkin Muffley from Dr Strangelove.



I like Dr. Dr. Neinstein Muffley

Date: 2008/04/18 13:45:51, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 18 2008,09:57)
This might also explain the abilities of the film-makers to make so many blunders - they're being led by Hercules Grytpype-Thynne.

You silly twisted boy

Date: 2008/04/18 19:59:37, Link
Author: Quidam

OK Final iteration with pout.  He looks a bit less like Peter Sellers now

Date: 2008/04/18 20:31:33, Link
Author: Quidam

"Will you critics stop sending me these"

Date: 2008/04/18 21:29:48, Link
Author: Quidam

"More bad reviews? SEND IN THE FEMBOTS!

Date: 2008/04/18 22:28:01, Link
Author: Quidam
1000 Theaters
30 people per showing
6   Showings before they pull it (2 nights)
$8  per head
=
$1,440,000

Date: 2008/04/19 01:34:48, Link
Author: Quidam
I apologize in advance to any and all librarians who might be offended by the following

Date: 2008/04/20 10:15:11, Link
Author: Quidam

Photographed: Pine Marten, Deer, Black bear, dinosaurs.

Sighted but not photographed: Elk, moose, cougar, skunk, various raptors, woodpeckers, etc.

And an infinite supply of squirrels

Date: 2008/04/20 11:48:13, Link
Author: Quidam
the one million dollars assumes that the film would show for 170 days at two showings perday.  The two orders of magnitude reflect a run of 1.7  days which sounds a lot more reasonable

Date: 2008/04/21 11:38:58, Link
Author: Quidam
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....iev.php

Mike Edmondson has owned up.  He made the the "Beware the Believers" movie.  And has this sequel.

<object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QUt7nZdUJIk&hl=en"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QUt7nZdUJIk&hl=en" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>

It seems there has been a falling out with the humorless clods and Mike.  Poe's Law in action!

Date: 2008/04/21 12:11:45, Link
Author: Quidam


I ... will ... embed

Feel the Farce!

Date: 2008/04/21 15:41:35, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (didymos @ April 21 2008,12:52)
fill your own chasm.

Date: 2008/04/21 17:47:45, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (dochocson @ April 21 2008,15:40)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 21 2008,11:19)
Coincidentally, potatoes don't have caterpillars over their eyes either.

Oh sure, but some Darwinian evilutionist will glue a dead caterpillar to a potato and put the picture in a textbook.

What - who would do that?

Date: 2008/04/21 22:56:02, Link
Author: Quidam
Back to the Autin Powers theme

Date: 2008/04/22 11:12:37, Link
Author: Quidam
Dr Gonzales HAS BEEN DENIED TENURE AT GROVE CITY COLLEGE.

This Christian college has provocatively denied tenure to this superbly qualified scientist of Newtonian calibre.  A college spokesman said that many Professors at Grove City are denied tenure and it was in no way because Dr Gonzales holds some materialistic science views.  

"Grove City has a long history of denying tenure to its professors and refusing to renew contracts. It's simply the best way to manage issues of academic freedom."

Someone should make a film.

Date: 2008/04/22 14:07:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
Douglas Adams(1952 - 2001)

Date: 2008/04/22 14:49:38, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,13:44)
And he beat a puppy!

Some puppies were designed to be beaten

Date: 2008/04/22 15:16:40, Link
Author: Quidam
[quote=Robert O'Brien,April 22 2008,13:51]  
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,14:47)
 
That only signifies theism. I do not think Hitler was an atheist but neither do I think he was a Christian.

Just what qualifies one as a 'Christian' anyway? Many fundamentalists will claim that Catholics aren't Christian either.  Catholics of course will disagree.

No one knows exactly what went on in Hitler's mind and what he truly believed.  He consistently claimed to be doing God's (the Almighty Creator) work and upheld Christ as an Aryan (not a jew).

It is of course irrelevent whether Hitler was a Christian or just cynically used Christianity to achieve his ends.  Neither reflects well on the German Christians who actually committed the atrocities and the Churches that promoted anti-semitism from the pulpit.  

The church preached hatred against Jews from pre Augustine times    
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"the Church admits and avows the Jewish people to be cursed, because after killing Christ they continue to till the ground of an earthly circumcision, an earthly Sabbath, an earthly passover, while the hidden strength or virtue of making known Christ, which this tilling contains, is not yielded to the Jews while they continue in impiety and unbelief, for it is revealed in the New Testament. While they will not turn to God, the veil which is on their minds in reading the Old Testament is not taken away... the Jewish people, like Cain, continue tilling the ground, in the carnal observance of the law, which does not yield to them its strength, because they do not perceive in it the grace of Christ" St. Augustine

through to WWII
 
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In 1941, Bishop Ivan Saric of Sarajevo appropriates Jewish property for his own use. His diocesan newspaper declares that "Jewish greed increases. The Jews have led Europe and the world towards disaster, moral and economic disaster. Their appetite grows till only domination of the whole world will satisfy it." Bishop Aksamovic of Djakovic teaches that "today it is the sacred duty of every citizen to prove his Aryan origins." Meanwhile, Archbishop Aloys Stepinac of Zagreb preaches in a sermon that "it is forbidden to exterminate Gypsies and Jews because they are said to belong to an inferior race"


It was only until the Second Vatican Council in 1965 that the Church publicly stated that jews should not be blamed for the death of Christ.

Quote
"True, authorities of the Jews and those who followed their lead pressed for the death of Christ; still, what happened in His passion cannot be blamed upon all the Jews then living, without distinction, nor upon the Jews of today... The Jews should not be presented as repudiated or cursed by God... The Church decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone"


It all seems a bit silly too in light of Christian theology.  If Jesus hadn't been crucified there would be no blood sacrifice and therefore no salvation

Date: 2008/04/22 17:30:11, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities.

"At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense."

Speaks volumes about his reputation as an astronomer if all they know of him is that 'he's that ID guy'

University departments know the leaders and up and comers in their fields from their recent papers and research programs.

Date: 2008/04/22 19:09:09, Link
Author: Quidam
Slimy Sal really does earn his nick name.  Anne was not particularly sickly for an age without the benefits of modern medicine.  Let's hope the anti-science crusaders are not successful and we don't have to go back to pre-enlightenment days

First cousin marriages were not and are not uncommon.  God commanded many cousins to marry, including Zelophehad's 5 daughters, Eleazar's daughters, Jacob (who married both Rachel and Leah, first cousins), and Isaac and Rebekkah (first cousins once removed). All were ancestors of Jesus Christ, who as we all know was sickly and died young.

Albert Einstein married his first cousin. All European countries permit marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico for cousins to marry. The USA is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions - and even here 26 states allow first cousin marriages. The risks are minimal.

Date: 2008/04/22 20:58:50, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (khan @ April 22 2008,18:33)
Minimal, unless it becomes the norm.

Until relatviely recently it was, if not the norm, far more common.

But yes I agree.  Breeders have known of the potential problems for centuries.

Date: 2008/04/22 23:33:18, Link
Author: Quidam
Wow.  just watched it.  Ben gives the lie to himself so many times.  

He assures us that Darwin - if he were alive today wold say that we should follow the evidence. Er we have Ben, what we haven't done is follow scrtipture.  And we know that we don't need God to explain the motions of planets (as Ben claims we do).  

Towards the end he forgets he's only supposed to be anti-darwinist and unleashes his  anti-science hatred "the last time a scientist told my people what to do, it was to go to a gas chamber"

Date: 2008/04/23 15:27:55, Link
Author: Quidam
http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKN2320158220080423
Yoko sues filmmakers over "Imagine"

Yoko Ono, son, Sean Ono Lennon, and Julian Lennon, John Lennon's son from his first marriage, along with privately held publisher EMI Blackwood Music Inc filed suit in U.S. District Court in Manhattan seeking to bar the filmmakers and their distributors from continuing to use "Imagine" in the movie.

They are also seeking unspecified damages.

Date: 2008/04/23 15:29:25, Link
Author: Quidam
Oh whoops - should have refreshed the page before posting.

Mea Tard

Date: 2008/04/23 23:37:51, Link
Author: Quidam
If they get away with it anyone could simply play whatever music one wanted by providing an intro commentary like

"Loving children is bad, MKay, Sting thinks the Russians love their children and look what they did"

... believe me when I say to you ...

0yXgLGix6v4

Date: 2008/04/24 12:09:48, Link
Author: Quidam
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For a giggle read THE EVIL LEGACY OF JOHN LENNON

I'm prepared to bet that the Premise team wold rather put their winkies an a mangle than pay money to Yoko Ono.  Plus they knew that they would not get permission to use Imagine at any price.  

So let's get the mangle ready.  We might even suggest it to Yoko as an alternative to monetary damages.

Date: 2008/04/24 16:06:34, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Opponents of the film have attacked everyone and everything in it. They have attacked the producers, the star, the music, and film itself. They have even attacked those who have seen it. Now they want to change the Constitution.

Yoko Ono and others have now filed lawsuits challenging the film's use and critique of John Lennon's song Imagine. One of the suits seeks to ban free speech through preliminary injunctive relief which essentially means that they are trying to expel EXPELLED as it is now being shown in theaters.
...
But the irony of this lawsuit was not lost on the film's star Ben Stein, "So Yoko Ono is suing over the brief Constitutionally protected use of a song that wants us to 'Imagine no possessions'?


Free speech means that you are FREE to make YOUR OWN SPEECH.   Not that you have the right to steal the speech of others.

Date: 2008/04/24 16:37:10, Link
Author: Quidam
http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/2008....rs.html
Quote
March 28, 2008 3:45 am: Re the new level of caution around the screenings of Expelled (the documentary about the suppression of scientists whose research shows that there is design in the universe), line producer Mark Mathis writes back to say, "Yes, that's the concern, that illegal recording will occur with the intent to damage the film."
But... but...  I have a constitutional right to free speech so I can copy the film so that I can make a critique of it.

Date: 2008/04/24 16:45:34, Link
Author: Quidam
http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/article_4101.shtml

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Mark Mathis, one of the producers of Expelled, wants the “theory” of Intelligent Design (ID) taught in science classrooms alongside evolution.  Proponents of ID are fond of saying that it's not the same as creationism (read: creationism sans the talking snake and the magic rib).  But if ID isn't creationism, then oral sex isn't sexual relations.  Beyond semantic nuances, the underlying argument of creationism and ID is the same: If there is any phenomenon that science has yet to provide an explanation for, there clearly is no scientific explanation—God did it.
:p

Date: 2008/04/24 17:51:53, Link
Author: Quidam
Can't please everyone.  I was suggesting it as a choice for them. Not much worse than circumcism.

Date: 2008/04/24 19:16:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (J-Dog @ April 24 2008,17:23)
I am sure that NeinStein's "thingy" is much smaller than that, and in fact, should be referred to as Little Ben, as oppossed to Big Ben, as it is reputedly visable only through a microscope.

I conducted several experiments with plasticene and  the evidence does confirm that pencil sized nub does indeed get that wide and long when passed through a mangle  The colour was an extrapolation.

Date: 2008/04/24 21:54:54, Link
Author: Quidam
Dembski:
Quote
We don’t know who the author is. Moreover, Dawkins is clearly putting it to good use in excoriating Ben Stein and EXPELLED. Until Dawkins provides some compelling evidence that this letter is for real, I would suggest regarding it as the work of a troll seeking to elicit precisely this reaction.

To which the only response can be:
Quote
We don’t know who the author is. Moreover, Dembski is clearly putting it to good use in excoriating Dawkins. Until Dembski provides some compelling evidence that this letter is for real, I would suggest regarding it as the work of a troll seeking to elicit precisely this reaction.

Date: 2008/04/25 12:10:39, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Horace_Worblehat

04/25/2008

9:36 am
My success rate posting here is approximately 20% i.e. 80% of my posts just disappear.

Just what percentage of posts here are ‘Spam’ anyway? I moderate on two blogs and contribute to many, and comment spam is a minor inconvenience (1-2% of posts) usually cleaned up after the fact.

Either the spam filter is rejecting 80% of the posts or all posts are being reviewed by the moderators for content before they are published. That’s the only reason I can think of for the delay and loss.

Here’s a suggestion. Turn of the spam filter. Allow posts to be published immediately and deal with the few exceptions. Ban trolls and announce their banning so that other posters know who has been banned and why.

{DLH I counted 5 comments and 71 spams when I despammed yours. No trolls. No comments deleted.}


93% of postings at UD - a blog where you must register and supply a valid email address - are spam?

A spam message at Pharyngula would reach 10E3 more people than spam on UD, I wonder why these 'spammers' don't flood PZ. A post on Pharyngular goes up immediately and I have seen only one example of comment spam.

I have to wonder what qualifies as spam at UD?

Date: 2008/04/25 16:41:41, Link
Author: Quidam
<a href="www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay678" target="_blank"></a>

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay678

Date: 2008/04/27 10:28:27, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (J-Dog @ April 26 2008,17:48)
Watch out Quidam - there's a new kid in town...


Young Punks!
Too slow on the draw

Date: 2008/04/27 18:59:30, Link
Author: Quidam
It's all pretty incestuous.  

Isn't it great that we have the wedge document to predict their every move.  One day they'lll realize it's been made public and work out a new strategy.

Date: 2008/04/28 10:23:41, Link
Author: Quidam

Inspired by Pharyngula today





Date: 2008/04/28 10:36:29, Link
Author: Quidam
I wish there was an edit button so that I could correct my spelling of Pharyngula.  

Oh well, what can I say, I are an enjinear.

Date: 2008/04/28 12:50:05, Link
Author: Quidam


A phoenix arises from the ashes.

Date: 2008/04/28 14:57:51, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Is that something you'd be interested in?

Sure, unfortunately I know very little about ERV's and how to make them webby.  

I could do Behe on his knees, beaten into submission by a Dominatrix Abbie.

Date: 2008/04/28 15:56:19, Link
Author: Quidam

Not terribly suitable for a banner, but I have the costume so if both parties would like to pose for me?

Date: 2008/04/28 18:05:11, Link
Author: Quidam


This is a quickie.  It's liquid crystal DNA http://www.microscopy.fsu.edu/micro/gallery/dna/dna.html
Which comes as a surprise to me, I didn't know it formed liquid crystals.  For digital watches that can evolve and really screw up Paley's arguments perhaps?    

But it's beautiful & colourful

If anyone can point to something more appropriate, like Japanese schoolgirls holding DNA sculptures, then I'll have a go.

Date: 2008/04/28 22:13:21, Link
Author: Quidam

This one's made from recycled pop cans & bottles

http://www.scienceinschool.org/2006/issue2/dna

Date: 2008/04/29 20:43:34, Link
Author: Quidam
Stock? Nothing stock there.  I flew down for a custom photo shoot.  I told Behe I was shooting for documentary called Crossbones, about how the intersection between the decline in Pirates and the rise in the ID movement and while he was happy to wear the Jack Sparrow hat, when I produced the leather pants and leash he mumbled something about being led and beaten once before and he wasn't going to get caught again.

Don't you think Kristine is too cuddly cute to be a dominatrix?

Date: 2008/04/30 20:43:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Kristine @ April 30 2008,08:12)
Oh, give me at least one fang, please. :)


It's Creationist Harassment Panda, with her Bamboo Shoot of Correction

Date: 2008/05/01 14:56:22, Link
Author: Quidam
How much dust is on Lou?

If he is 41 we should be able to measure a detectable amount of meteoric dust.  According to the best measurements made by Hans Pettersson, 14 million tons of dust settles each year on the Earth - that's 14,000,000,000,000 grams.  The population of the Earth is 6,664,907,984 so each person is receiving 2.1 Kg of space dust annually.  If Lou is 41 as has been claimed by materialist posters, he should have 86 Kg or 189.81 Lb  of space dust on him.  This is clearly ridiculous, the only possible conclusion is that Lou is younger than the materialists claim.

Given that he only seems to have at most 125 grams, that clearly puts his age at 22 days, well within Bible limits

Idiotucus
22:13 And their days in the land shall be long but their years be short and the dust of the Heavens shall not be theirs
22:14 For though they speak as men, their minds are as suckling babies
22:15 Behold they drink of the juice of the vine and of the barley, yet their speech is of unknown tongues
22:16 For the Lord God is a Jealous God and He did not get an invitation, so verily they are accursed.
22;17 Their bodies will stagger and the demons within will batter at their Temples until they cry out to the Lord
22:18 "Oh God, why did I imbibe so recklessly, like a boy mounting his first virgin."
22:19 And the Lord will laugh and say "Serves you right for not recognising Me when I showed up with a case of Bud,  for you did scorn my offering calling it swill of the macro.
22:20 So shall your descendants, yeah until the nth generation, call out to the Lord in repentance, as they worship the porcelain. Yet will they remember?
22:21 Nay, for I the Lord hath spoken from my nether regions.

Date: 2008/05/01 14:59:47, Link
Author: Quidam
We will wait to see if the pent up hordes of waiting viewers will make the pilgrimage to the remaining cinemas

Date: 2008/05/03 00:53:10, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (didymos @ May 02 2008,14:09)
We need you to get a good screencap of the Robert Palmer video, replace his face with Stein's and then replace all the background chicks' faces with O'Leary's.  Stat.

something like...

Date: 2008/05/03 13:47:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,02:52)
Quote
Divorce

Don't know what you are getting at here.

The claim is that harrasment of Sternberg led to his divorce.   Just how is not explained.  

Perhaps when his wife discovered that he was not spending his evenings at the Smithsonian, she got suspicious.

Date: 2008/05/03 13:49:09, Link
Author: Quidam
Maybe he was waterbedded at the Smithsonian.  No wonder his wife had enough.

Date: 2008/05/03 14:15:39, Link
Author: Quidam
Expelled is at #14 for documentaries

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

But look a few lines below and you find

Code Sample
14 Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed RM $5,934,952 1,052 $2,970,848 1,052 4/18/08
21 Imagine: John Lennon                 WB $3,753,977   561 $1,412,213   561 10/7/88


Now take $3,753,977 in 1988 dollars,
adjust for CPI inflation and in 2004 dollars that's $5,995,101

The CPI inflation calculator only goes to 2004, so in 2008 dollars it's closer to $6,500,000.

Expelled is losing to Imagine!

(And likely not for the last time either.)

Date: 2008/05/03 14:50:07, Link
Author: Quidam
I found a more current CPI calculator

In 2008 dollars, Imagine: John Lennon grossed: $6,841,567

Date: 2008/05/03 17:43:07, Link
Author: Quidam
I'd like to officially call for a SteinMine. Rather like the TalkOrigins Quote Mine project - a place where we can place Steinisms for easy reference.  

The quotes have to be referenced to the primary source.

This will be very useful for rebutting The Expelled Dupes in the months to come.

Date: 2008/05/04 10:22:14, Link
Author: Quidam
Gambler's Ruin is a problem because the bank has more cash than the gambler and the odds are in the Bank's favour. (more gamblers are broken than banks)  Even with this scenario, the Gambler comes out ahead a significant number of times.  We all know of species that went broke and can easily imagine how easily mankind could have too.

I'm not sure what Sal posits as the Bank, but the ultimate outcome of an unlimited game is that either the gambler of the bank is broken.

Looking at the world today, it seems to me you could make the case that if the Bank is the Earth, it's about to go broke.  Unfortunately us gamblers can't take our winnings to another Casino and we are going to have nowhere to spend our money.  We're eating in the Casino's restaurant and it closes with the casino.

Date: 2008/05/06 15:56:31, Link
Author: Quidam
American macroswill is like making love in scuba gear. English macroswill is like making love in a canal.

There are plenty of American microbreweries that produce beer every bit as good or better than the best English beer.  If you haven't had a high gravity, strongly hopped American IPA then you're missing out.  It makes the swill sold as "IPA" in England seem like - well swill.

I for one like Cascade hops and it won't be a bad thing for them to be imported into Europe. They have a nice citrusy aroma rather than the more floral Goldings.  Ruddle's County uses Bramley Cross - a cross between a hardy Canadian hop and Goldings.

Budweiser won't miss them, if the hop truck drives by the brewery then they'll get all the hop flavor they need.

Date: 2008/05/06 16:43:16, Link
Author: Quidam
AB isn't a brewer.  They're a manufacturer.  Much like Watney's.

Date: 2008/05/06 19:55:04, Link
Author: Quidam
Whatever else you might say about Bud, it's not 'sickly sweet'.  He must be thinking of Newcastle Brown.  

Budweiser is largely flavourless with no hop bitterness and no malt body.

But Bud isn't 'American beer' any more than Watney's is English beer.

Diamondknot IPA is about as close to Bud as a cask conditioned Fuller's London Pride is to a keg Watneys' Red Barrel.

Date: 2008/05/07 20:26:33, Link
Author: Quidam
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Quote (Marion Delgado @ May 07 2008,14:52)
After all, if a person can't navigate from Earl's Court to Elephant and Castle, how can they hope to navigate the mystery of Life, and the labyrinth of the human genome? They can't!

They can't because a navigation between Earl's Court and Elephant and Castle is prohibited by the Ascot convention, unless a traverse is first achieved though a third order location such as Canada Water or Parson's Green

Date: 2008/05/07 20:44:56, Link
Author: Quidam
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Normally you'd be correct and that would be a crafty ripost, but the escalators at South Kensington are closed for repair so for the duration the loo is inaccessible.  You'll have to huff or withdraw your Shadwell

Date: 2008/05/07 21:15:09, Link
Author: Quidam
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I wondered what the smell was.  That was so sneaky, you could paint it green and call it Gollum.

Since it's a Wednesday and the Nothern Line is wild, I'll invoke the loo at the Bull & Bush

Date: 2008/05/08 19:54:35, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 08 2008,12:31)
Quote (1of63 @ May 08 2008,10:57)
And wasn't Arden Chatfield a stop along the old Great Western Railway?

You're thinking of either Nether Poppleton, Blubberhouses, or Chipping Sodbury. One of those real dignified ye old English village names.

Dorking!

I'm sure it's on the Picadilly line,

but it's seldom used as an opener as you never want it behind you.

Date: 2008/05/09 10:25:30, Link
Author: Quidam
there are three factors that influence the image from a pinhole camera:

Hole diameter (Aperture)
Thickness of material
Distance from Pinhole to screen (analogous to focal length)

The material should be as thin as possible, while maintaining opacity and strength.  Aluminum foil is excellent.

The smaller the hole the sharper the image, but the less light is let through.  It's a trade off between resolution and faintness.  

Focal length is a misnomer.  A pin hole doesn't focus.  The image is in focus at all distances, it has 'infinite' depth of field and depth of focus.

Increasing the distance from the pinhole to the screen increases the size of the image at the expense of brightness.  It does not affect the resolution.

A pinhole camera that claims to have 'adjustable focus' is lying.  It has adjustable aperture.

Date: 2008/05/09 10:42:33, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 09 2008,09:33)
Apparent magnitude of the light source would seem to be rather important to the image...

Just sayin'.

:D

Three controllable factors
Sigh

Date: 2008/05/09 11:23:04, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (didymos @ May 09 2008,02:49)
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That isn't actually a pinhole camera - at least it doesn't use a pinhole lens.  It's a traditional camera but with a small lens.

The trouble is the words we use like focus, don't really apply to a pinhole.  A pinhole doesn't focus to a point, it doesn't have a focal length, it works by only allowing a narrow ray through.  

Imagine a pinhole camera with a single pinhole.  light from one part of the source passes through and hits the screen.  The larger the pinhole the larger the ray but now more of the source is mixed together so the circle on the screen is bigger and brighter but the detail is lost. It is blurred and we would say 'it's out of focus' whereas it's really got a 'large circle of confusion' or low resolution.

Now if you make another pinhole you will get another duplicate image on a different part of the screen - if only you could bend the light ray to overlap the first image it would make a single image twice as bright! If you put a small prism behind the pinhole you could. Now make lots of pinholes, each with its own prism.  If you take this to the ultimate conclusion, you have built up a curved lens with more pinholes than material.  The lens is taking every ray of light and bending it. That's why it has a focal point.

Date: 2008/05/09 12:39:11, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (William Wallace @ May 09 2008,10:26)
But I appreciate your intellectual honesty.

Then perhaps you will return the favour by acknowledging that the NCSE film did not say that the pinhole eye had adjustable focus.  It said that with the pinhole eye focusing [of an image] became possible.  Which of course it does.  A pinhole eye makes possible the production of a sharp (focused) image on a patch of light sensitive cells.

You have to be deliberately obtuse to read that as saying "the Nautilus had a variable focal length eye."

Date: 2008/05/09 20:14:35, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (didymos @ May 09 2008,15:30)
So, basically, a bunch of us have been using the word focus the way creationists and IDists use the word theory.  See, the way I was thinking of it was, "focus" is a matter of degrees.  A particular image can be blurry but useful, a slightly less blurry one more useful, etc.  I wasn't thinking about it in terms of focal length or the mechanism producing the image, just how clear the image produced is.

It's a bit imprecise, but I'm not sure what the correct technical term for a blurred image from a large pinhole would be called.  Soft maybe?  I'll bet 99% of the population would call a sharp image 'focused' and a blurred one 'unfocused'

Quote
WRT to the camera link:  there really are genuine CCD devices using a pinhole though, right?
Not that I'm aware of.

They call them pinhole cameras, but all the ones I've seen have very small lenses.

Date: 2008/05/10 11:29:20, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Nomad @ May 10 2008,00:46)
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article....le.html

Although if you want to be pedantic the 1Ds uses a CMOS instead of a CCD sensor.

To be pedantic, it's not a commercial product.  I won't dispute that you could make a pinhole CCD camera, but I don't think anyone makes a commercial product.

I experimented with a pinhole SLR when I was younger (in the days when an SLR camera was a major expense that you expected to last a lifetime).  I used a bellows close-up mount with aluminium foil attached with a rubber band.  That way you can make really tiny holes with the tip of a needle, or a bigger one by pushing the whole needle.  Without Photoshop the results were either very dark and sharp or just dark and fuzzy.

Quote
I'm guessing that most things marketed as pinhole cameras are really small cameras with small but conventional lenses meant to be used as spy cameras, hidden behind something and peering at their target through a hole.
That's an acccurate guess.  The 'pinhole' lenses typically have an aperture of 3mm and a focal length of 5-6mm.  If you look carefully at the specs you will usually find it stated somewhere.

Date: 2008/05/10 11:34:38, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (UnMark @ May 10 2008,00:39)
My math indicates that an apple falling to earth causes the earth to accelerate at approximately one-half meter per second per million trillion years (3.9 * 10^-27 m/s/s).

If the apple was originally attached to a tree or dropped by a person the net effect is zero.  The reaction of the tree branch to the release of he apple is equal to the effect of the apple's impact on the earth

Your calculation is only correct if the apple originated from outside the Earth's gravity field.

Date: 2008/05/11 09:48:34, Link
Author: Quidam
Utphray Opsla sounds like Pig latin to me, which would translate to Rutph Lops

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Date: 2008/05/11 10:12:01, Link
Author: Quidam
DOH CDBC


Doh, Charles Darwin Before Christ

Date: 2008/05/11 16:41:28, Link
Author: Quidam
Daniel 08

3: Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.

4: I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.

23: And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

I think that speaks for itself.

Date: 2008/05/11 20:24:11, Link
Author: Quidam
The two horns of the RAM are the two parties in dispute, Galapogos has a bigger horn than Ono, so he will come last.

The Ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward, but yet producing nothing 'that could deliver out of his hand' is clearly Dembski.

The 'king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences' can be none other than Judge Jones.

Thus D08 3423 is prophesying the End Times of the ID movement.

Date: 2008/05/13 10:19:12, Link
Author: Quidam
Fortunately the paparazzi were there to capture the moment

Date: 2008/05/13 10:37:44, Link
Author: Quidam
I like the headline
You Can’t Make This Stuff Up, or Can You?

Ben isn't stupid. But he's buoyed by people taking the machinations of his febrile brain seriously and he's pushing the envelope to see how many people he can get to believe what he's making up.

Date: 2008/05/13 20:09:38, Link
Author: Quidam
Ain't decibels wonderful.  The Bulldog fishing bat (Noctilio leporinus) can emit 138 dB but fortunately it's at 55kHz so we can't hear it.


As distinct from the Noctilio steinoramus, which emits a repetitive monotone whine until his prey collapses from brain atrophy.

Date: 2008/05/13 21:41:55, Link
Author: Quidam
I think that
...Next time I will remember to bring a feather to knock myself over with.

Sounds better than
...Next time I will remember to bring a feather with which to knock myself over.

Sometimes avoiding that trailing preposition simply results in a clumsy sentence

As Churchill put it, when an editor dared to modify a sentence of his that ended with a preposition:  "This is the kind of impertinence up with which I shall not put."

Date: 2008/05/14 09:57:15, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Maya @ May 14 2008,06:49)
Quote (Quidam @ May 13 2008,20:09)
As distinct from the Noctilio steinoramus, which emits a repetitive monotone whine until his prey collapses from brain atrophy.


Clearly you pinned that bat to a tree it wouldn't normally rest on, you sneaky evilutionist!

If it were the tree of knowledge you would be correct.  Noctilio steinoramus would have to be pinned, glued and screwed to stay there.

That however is the Tree of Ignorance, which provides Noctilio steinoramus with all the sustenance it needs.  It lives of the fruits of Ignorance: prejudice, fear, doubt, envy, deceit and revelation.  These pass largely unchanged through its digestive system and are subsequently consumed by Caenorhabditis cdesignproponentists.

Date: 2008/05/14 10:15:19, Link
Author: Quidam
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

Date: 2008/05/14 14:39:05, Link
Author: Quidam
Just for those people who were still not completely sure that the Florida Senate was completely staffed by religious retards, comes this gem:

http://floridacapitalnews.com/apps....4180359

 
Quote
The Florida Senate on Thursday passed an amendment to impose a $60 fine on Truck Nutz, one brand name for the novelty item on vehicle trailer hitches that resemble the dangling southern end of a northbound bull.

The proposal would make displaying bull genitalia reproductions on a vehicle subject to a $60 fine, moving violations and points against a driver license.


"Moving violation", "points"?

Surely that would only be justified if the truck tried to mount one in front...

But it's interesting to note that Sen. Jim King, R-Jacksonville is pussy whipped - he "acceded to his wife's request to take them off"  Jeez have some balls man!

If there is anything that would make me want to put a pair on, that would be it.

Date: 2008/05/14 14:39:26, Link
Author: Quidam
[edit] duplicate post deleted

Date: 2008/05/14 14:51:29, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (carlsonjok @ May 14 2008,10:14)
Or just lay back and focus on the thought of O'Leary's dangling participles.

Talking of dangling participles

Date: 2008/05/14 15:37:22, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 14 2008,09:46)
Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,11:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

ihateu

You did that on purpose, to grate on healing nerves.  I'll spend the rest of the day banging my head on the wall.

Thank you - it wasn't easy.

Date: 2008/05/14 20:16:44, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 14 2008,09:08)
Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick on a pig?

That I can do.

Date: 2008/05/20 14:14:58, Link
Author: Quidam
About 45 minutes west of Calgary in the foothills, although I grew up about the same distance from London.

I laid the Snork Maiden but don't tell Moomintroll

Date: 2008/05/20 14:44:07, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 20 2008,13:16)
Quote (Quidam @ May 20 2008,14:14)
About 45 minutes west of Calgary in the foothills, although I grew up about the same distance from London.

I laid the Snork Maiden but don't tell Moomintroll

Snork Maiden: Artists impression...

That wasn't her.  More's the pity.  

Like most repressed chicks, she was a real goer when she was away from home.

I dumped her after I caught her with the Hemulen.  

Date: 2008/05/27 23:47:10, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/05/28 16:25:46, Link
Author: Quidam
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Actually, in the last few years, I’ve become hopeful a biological solution will be found. In principle there’s no reason we can’t genetically engineer bacteria that can convert water, CO2, and sunlight directly into fuel-quality ethanol. Craig Venter is working on it and I bet he gets there LONG before any other technology can become widely deployed. All the really difficult engineering work is already done for us. We don’t have to invent any of the really difficult stuff like photosynthesis. Whether by God or by RM+NS the molecular machinery we need is already here. All we have to do is gather together a few existing capabilities in disparate microorganisms. Genetic engineering will change the world in ways more significant than the harnessing of fire, agriculture, metallurgy, and electricity all combined. Progress in genetic engineering has been anything but glacial. In fact it appears to me that GE is improving on a curve quite like Moore’s Law of semiconductors.


Hasn't that already been done?  let me see...

 
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Almost 20 years ago, the 57-year-old University of Florida microbiologist made a discovery that earned him - and two colleagues - a rare distinction.

In 1991, the university was awarded the nation's 5-millionth patent in a special ceremony at the Commerce Department. It recognized groundbreaking scientific work by Ingram's team with a bacteria that could convert plant waste into ethanol, a cleaner-burning substitute for gasoline.
...
By genetically modifying an E. coli bacteria in the lab, Ingram's team created an organism capable of converting all sugars in plant cells into fuel ethanol. The technology made it possible to use almost any organic biomass - from corn stalks and straw to yard trimmings and forestry wastes - to make fuel

Date: 2008/05/29 15:39:05, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 29 2008,10:44)
No doubt Sal knows full well you are banned and cannot respond.

I've heard, er, several stories now, er, about people who are not banned as such at UD but who's posts simply stop appearing.

I guess teh bannaition thread here is getting to them.

Yeah, my Librarian account wasn't banned but the only posts that made it through the 'spam filter' were ones asking why my posts didn't make it through the spam filter.  It seems that posts that were on-topic but critical are 'spam',

Tardspeak:

SPAM =

Specific
Pointed
Articulate
Meaningful

Date: 2008/06/01 20:48:42, Link
Author: Quidam
Yeah, I had a post pointing out that the programme was not an examination of Sheldrake's claims, which is why his evidence was not of interest.  I also mentioned the JREF $1M which is an anathema to the paranormalists.

The post was 'waiting for moderation' for about two hours, then just disappeared.

I haven't had a post get through moderation for ages except curiously for posts complaining that my other posts didn't get through.  The stock excuse is the 'spam filter'.  Considering the spork that does get posted you have to wonder.

Date: 2008/06/03 09:44:18, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Kristine @ June 02 2008,15:49)
Now, wait a minute, wait a minute. Do you agree that Expelled started out asking "if John Lennon was right and concluding that he was wrong"? I thought this was a film about evolution and asking if Charles Darwin was right.

The description of this film is morphing all the time, chasing whatever publicity it gets.

The film is about firmly conflating Evolution-Darwinsm-Science- Methodological Naturalism-Atheism-State Violence in the viewers mind.  That always was the goal and still is.  You only have to listen to Stein to realize when he says "Darwinism can't explain "Life, the Universe and everything" he is deliberately conflating those terms.

Fair use does not need to consider the quality of a  critique or commentary, merely whether that is what it is and whether the copright holder has suffered financially as a result.

As for cutting Expelled into 15 second clips - that is uneccessary.  The length of the clip is a secondary consideration. You would be perfectly entitled to produce a critique of the film and use clips of almost any length from the film to support your critique.   If the object was to show the film in its entirity so that people would not need to pay to see the original film then it would fail the fair use test

Date: 2008/06/16 10:06:08, Link
Author: Quidam
I'm worried he'll come too soon.  It would be nice if he were chosen as McCain's running mate before he climaxes.

Date: 2008/06/16 15:42:54, Link
Author: Quidam
Understanding Intelligent design

It's all assinine

Date: 2008/06/16 21:25:38, Link
Author: Quidam
I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

Date: 2008/06/16 23:33:00, Link
Author: Quidam
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 16 2008,21:26)
the funny thing is that those are my butt cheeks.  it's a ginseng, levi garret and corn squeezin recipe my great maw give me.  

Yer Paw musta also given you an X chromosome along with the one from yer Maw.  Them's girlie Dembski type melons.

Date: 2008/06/17 09:50:23, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Quidam @ June 16 2008,20:25)
I wish I could hack Amazon.com and substitute the book cover picture  :p

Oh well an Assinine tag will have to do.  You can help by adding the tag on http://www.amazon.com/Underst....edpp_sa

Come on guys, I know this isn't Pharyngula but surely someone can head over to Amazon.com and check/add the "Assinine"* tag.

*Note spelling, as Magrat would say.

Date: 2008/06/17 14:26:02, Link
Author: Quidam
That gives me some warm green fuzzy feelings

Date: 2008/06/17 15:15:22, Link
Author: Quidam
If a stretched cardigan is more exiting than young taut feminine buttocks (whatever the colour), then you are too far gone for science or art to help.

Date: 2008/06/17 15:21:59, Link
Author: Quidam
How about this stretched cardigan?

Date: 2008/06/17 16:01:52, Link
Author: Quidam
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Date: 2008/06/17 22:13:36, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 17 2008,16:36)
Quote (Quidam @ June 17 2008,17:01)
If it's gotta be a Dr.Dr.

Some things are just...

wrong.

You should apologize immediately






to that girl.

She's Thursday, so I'll apologize then

Date: 2008/06/17 22:51:54, Link
Author: Quidam
Oh the joy...

Date: 2008/06/20 10:54:43, Link
Author: Quidam
Following O'Leary's lead in embracing Amazon Tags as virtues, Dembski creates a new cover for 'Understanding Intelligent Design"

Date: 2008/06/28 08:02:35, Link
Author: Quidam
This is not about Human Rights for apes.  No one is proposing that apes should be fully protected by the International Human Rights laws.

It's about giving apes more rights than other animals (which also have rights).

All of these rights are 'human rights' in that we demand them for ourselves.  Apes get a subset, other animals get a subset of that.

We classify animals on their cognitive capacity and ability to feel pain, so that it is acceptable to boil a lobster alive but not a dog; catch fish with a hook but not deer.  

This legislation limits some of the things we can do to apes as a result of the increasing awareness and understanding of their similarity in thought processes to us.

Date: 2008/06/30 18:11:49, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (lcd @ June 30 2008,15:25)
Childish.

But what can one expect from a bunch of atheists and God deniers?

Childish?  After the age of two and before 14, children aren't much interested in breasts.  

Anyway I'm assured she's 18 so it's not childish at all.

Date: 2008/07/01 11:10:53, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (lcd @ July 01 2008,09:30)
Does "deluded teacher" mean to you when applied to ID as someone who was, "pressured to teach something they feel is very wrong, got fired and they are now suing a hostile work environment"?

A history teacher fired for teaching holocaust denial.  
A physics teacher fired for teaching the earth is 6,500 years old
A Social Studies teacher fired for teaching the 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion'
A Biology teacher fired for teaching creationism

All may well strongly believe their delusions, but that does not permit them to teach these delusions.  If their delusions prevent them from teaching the curriculum then they need to find another career.

Date: 2008/07/01 15:22:56, Link
Author: Quidam

Ray Comfort teaches the condomtroversy

Bananas are frisky things, be safe - always use a condom.

Date: 2008/07/04 10:07:14, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/07/04 14:33:26, Link
Author: Quidam
The e-coli cultures are the data...

Date: 2008/07/10 17:15:43, Link
Author: Quidam
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The oath requires all faculty members to pledge they will not "inculcate, teach or insinuate anything" contrary to the 1646 Westminster Confession of Faith

Obviously 1646 was the pinnacle of human achievement and knowledge

February 16 - First English Civil War - The Battle of Great Torrington, Devon, the last major battle of the conflict, is fought.
February 28 - Roger Scott is tried and whipped in Massachusetts for sleeping in church.
March 6 - Joseph Jenkes, in Massachusetts, receives the first colonial machine patent for a water wheel for his scythe mill.
May 5 - King Charles I surrenders his forces at Scotland.
May 30 - Spain and the Netherlands sign a temporary cease fire in the war.
June 25 - The New Model Army of Thomas Fairfax occupies Oxford.
October 28 - The first Protestant church assembly for natives is held in Massachusetts
November 4 - Massachusetts enacts the death penalty for denying that the Saints' Copybook is God's word.

Undated - The Westminster Confession of Faith is published.

Life expectancy was  43
Infant mortality was 320 per 1000 live births

Ahh, the good old days.

Date: 2008/07/13 10:24:52, Link
Author: Quidam
I'm amazed at how puny and ineffective Chistians believe their God to be.  If you truly believe that the cracker is God, then it should be perfectly capable of looking after itself and would need no help from mere mortals.

Pity the infidel who ate a genuine Jesus-inhabited cracker

Date: 2008/07/14 14:49:10, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (lcd @ July 14 2008,10:05)
As for scientific theories, are you sure you won't care if science is over turned?  Isn't what this is all about?  Fighting to keep one's belief in science over the Word of God?


I am outraged at the continuing attempts, not to overturn science (which is simply evidence based reasoning) but to replace it with superstition, fabrication and mythology.

Homeopathy, astrology, mediums, faith healers, fundamentalists, crystal healers, ear-candlers, cerealogists (crop circle nuts) UFO's are all offering the same snide coin.

Dembski's story of his pilgrimage to the charlatan Todd Bentley is truly pathetic (in the original sense) and is an example of how an otherwise intelligent person can be held hostage by faith.  Unfortunately Dembski is offering the same thing to his follower but he doesn't see the irony.  He feels he's being more open minded:  "Unlike Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, James Randi, and the skeptical community in general, I don’t throw out all miraculous healings." As a result of his credulity he has financially supported the odious Todd Bentley and profited from other credulous beings.

When you throw out the need for evidence (from controlled experiments and observations) then exploitative people profit whether from 'donations' to 'cure' an autistic child or profits from evidence-free books.

What does Dembski demand from Bentley? Evidence.  What does he fail to provide for ID? Evidence.

Science cannot be 'over-turned' - we would need evidence for that which would simply replace science with new science. But it can be discarded for wishful, woolly thinking.  

I find that profoundly disturbing and I will fight to prevent it.

Date: 2008/07/14 17:39:52, Link
Author: Quidam

http://www.jesusandmo.net/2008/07/14/mass/

Date: 2008/07/15 21:32:52, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Reed @ July 15 2008,18:53)
Quote (afarensis @ July 15 2008,17:27)
The choice of where to dig is predicated on evolutionary theory and on previous finds.

One might compare that to where ID predicts you will find particular fossils.

Uh... someone help me out here...  :p

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Makes you wonder what scientists would find if they went gung ho digging in the wrong places.

Clearly FtK is suggesting that it doesn't matter where you dig.  This puts her knowledge of geology at pre William Smith (pre 1800)

Or as William Smith puts it she understands less than the most illiterate:
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The organized fossils .. and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

You can read Wm. Smith's excellent book online without having to skim it at the book store.

Yes FtK, fossils and their localities are ORGANIZED -    in ways that Walt Brown's liquefaction speculation simply cannot achieve.  The organization and obvious age of the sediments completely rule out the possibility of a young earth or a recent world wide flood,  

THIS WAS KNOWN AND FULLY DOCUMENTED 200 YEARS AGO - long before modern quantitative dating methods were available and before Darwin produced an explanation for it.

So if scientists did dig in 'the wrong places' they would find different fossils or no fossils at all.  But don't take my word for it.  

Try it.  If you find a humanoid  or tiktaalik fossil in Cretaceous rock then you are assured of worldwide fame.  First you'll need to be educated on what a tiktaalik or humanoid fossil look like so that you don't wave a Yanoconodon or Eodelphis around thinking that you've made a discovery.

Date: 2008/07/16 20:29:24, Link
Author: Quidam
Neil Shubin "Your Inner Fish:
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The twenty four- and five-year-olds were surprisingly well behaved as I described how we had worked in the Arctic to find the fossil and showed them the animal's sharp teeth. Then I asked what they thought it was. Hands shot up. The first child said it was a crocodile or alligator. When queried why, he said that like a crocodile or lizard it has a flat head with eyes on the top. Big teeth, too. Other children started to voice their dissent. Choosing the raised hand of one of those kids, I heard: No, no, it isn't a crocodile, it is a fish, it has scales and fins. Yet another child shouted "Maybe it's both." Tiktaalik's message is so straightforward that even preschoolers can see it.


But FtK, from the basis of skimming the book in the bookstore confidently asserts it's a fish.  

Mind you creationists are blind when it comes to species.

Harun Yaha among other numerous mis-identifications thinks there is no difference between frogs and salamanders.

Date: 2008/07/16 22:45:48, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Ftk @ July 16 2008,16:52)


Would someone mind putting a little arrow on that fish showing me exactly what part of the fossil is a wrist bone?  Then I'll try to think of a fish with a "wrist".  Kay?


This is from Shubin's excellent site on Tiktaalik  http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/meetTik.html that provides many photos of the fossil and highlights the fish characteristics and the tetrapod characteristics.

Date: 2008/07/17 09:46:54, Link
Author: Quidam
William Smith perhaps should have added 'provided the person actually looks at the fossils in their locales.'

Like  other books of that vintage e.g. Descent of Man the language is a slight barrier, but William Smith's 'Strata' is a compelling read for anyone interested in geology and evolution.  With no religious agenda, he lays out data that creationists have yet to explain.  200 years ago an experienced geologist when  shown an assemblage of fossils could identify the position of the strata in the geologic column and provide its relative age.  He could also identify the paleoclimate, depositional conditions and landscape.

Walt Brown's babbling about hydrological sorting or liquefaction does not explain this, or even come close.  

ID Creationism (the smaller tent of Old Earth Creationists) would have to postulate  a God that continually creates and tweaks organisms - yet stopped  when he might be observed.

Young Earth Creationists and Flood 'geologists' have no basis for rationality except a version of Last Thursdayism with a deceptive God who is actively trying to hide His actions.

Date: 2008/07/17 11:38:54, Link
Author: Quidam
Back to topic.  

Melanie Kroll was not responsible for writing the death threat and she was not fired for that. She was responsible for breaking  1800Flowers policy and for that she lost her job.  

Everyone seems to be assuming that Melanie, being a woman and all, is a nice person and innocent victim of a violent and abusive husband.  This may be the case but it's speculation.  It's just as likely that she fully agrees with her husband's sentiments and has been bothering other employees and customer.  That is also speculation

Quite why people think they should advise 1800flowers on a personnel matter is beyond me.  We know very little about Melanie Kroll and 1800flowers and this is (should be) a private matter.  

I have unfortunately had to fire people for repeated infractions of IT security policy, fortunately none resulted in the publicity that Melanie's negligence had for 1800flowers.  I know that I would not take kindly to strangers, who know little of the circumstances and history, giving me unsolicited advice.

Date: 2008/07/17 15:16:53, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Louis @ July 17 2008,11:41)
if some people are willing to send emails calling for her head (not that I did)
Neither did I.

Quote (Louis @ July 17 2008,11:41)

Anyway, she is quite possibly an innocent victim of her husband's vicious stupidity and what at best could be only a mild lapse on her part. Of course it could be any number of permutations more damning than that, but I'm a firm supporter of innocent until proven guilty. She might share her husbands odious bigotry but then she might not, I simply don't know and thus grant her the benefit of the doubt. I've never denied that my assumption of her innocence is anything but the purest speculation, and I never would! I hope I'm not proven wrong but I rather suspect probably will be!

Then your appeal for clemency is based on no information and is meaningless.  You may presume innocence, but you have no responsibility or jurisdiction in the matter.  The people who do, have investigated and made a decision, based on information we are not privy to.

1800Flowers deals with online customers and stores credit card information, addresses and personal information from customers.  Their credibility has taken an enormous hit when nutjobs can apparently access their servers at will.  From Melanie's post she has to connect via a VPN to send or receive email, either she failed to disconnect when done or her computer is set to autoconnect.  That is a significant breach of security with potentially serious consequences.   I'm glad I'm not a customer of theirs with my credit card information accessible to the likes of Chuck.

So I'm going to let them make their own informed decision on this internal personnel matter and not presume to advise them.

Date: 2008/07/18 12:38:51, Link
Author: Quidam
Who IS Suzan Mazur anyway.  She has been described as a 'science reporter' and she says  
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her interest in evolution began with a Cessna single engine flight into Olduvai Gorge, across a closed Kenyan-Tanzanian border, to interview the late paleoanthropologist Mary Leakey. Their meeting followed discovery of the 3.5 million year old hominid footprints by Leakey and her team at Laetoli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laetoli. Mazur says Leakey was the only reason the Tanzanian authorities agreed to give landing clearance
yet a Google search brings up mostly politial and religious stories.  It's strange how her writings are treated as Gospel and apparently trump direct quotes from the people she discusses in her article.

Much like the credentials of the DI really.  We all know that jounalists and lawyers know more science than scientists.

Date: 2008/07/18 12:59:12, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Do you have any concrete evidence of the negative consequences you mention? Do you have any evidence of the "enormous hit" 1-800-Flowers' credibility has taken? Or is your support for both just anecdotal?


How about an overnight 12% ($17m) drop in market value?

which recovered after 1800Flowers took prompt and appropriate action.

As for equating this to 'tyranny and torture', I don't think this is in any way an apt comparison.  I think the actions are reasonable and appropriate.  She is not being whipped, waterboarded, deported or even imprisoned. She has lost a job.  It happens all the time for considerably less justification than this.

If my actions or negligence ever cause my company's stock to drop a 12% overnight, I think I might reasonably expect to lose my job too.

Date: 2008/07/18 14:47:44, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (J-Dog @ July 18 2008,12:53)
I have misgivings about this, but in light of the fact that without Dr, Dr. we would be without a certain @ 1,000 page post...

Pick out something nice, or useful like new underwear  to wish on the Dr. dr.


The Man. He's a Player.

Date: 2008/07/18 14:59:49, Link
Author: Quidam

Dr Dr Beanski, life's a beach

Date: 2008/07/18 15:11:17, Link
Author: Quidam
Or just hanging with a few good friends...

Date: 2008/07/18 20:32:22, Link
Author: Quidam
A summary of ID Research

From Casey

Date: 2008/07/19 23:19:04, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 19 2008,05:00)
Well, this incident (obviously) and probably also due to Goldman Sachs downgrading their rating on the stock.  But, surely that latter thing could of only contributed 1 or 2%.  ;)

OK I retract that.  I wasn't aware of the coincidental downgrading by GS.

Date: 2008/07/20 10:28:08, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (jeffox @ July 20 2008,01:10)
Rock band?  Howzabout rock banded iron formations!!

Ok, ok, ok, once again, terrible joke, I know.

:)

p.s. I am currently a geology major at UWEC.

Garnet! What a lode of fuchsite, that joke was the schist.

As my girlfriend said, when I asked if she was cummingtonite: "You mineral the same"

Date: 2008/07/20 10:59:47, Link
Author: Quidam
That wasn't very gneiss. I'll graben the bull by the hornblende and hope I don't get horst by my own petard.

Igneous is bliss for the UD crowd because they take design for granite.  That's sedimentary my dear FtK.

BTW I'm a mining engineer, we're on a level below the rest.

Date: 2008/07/20 12:16:25, Link
Author: Quidam
If you fish on the fucking days, when do you fuck?

Date: 2008/07/21 16:15:57, Link
Author: Quidam
Dave refers to a pile of sand as being unspecified and uses these examples:
Complex unspecified sand

Complex specified sand

The question is not whether the pile of sand looks like something we recognize.  That certainly is an indicator that the sand was placed by a human intelligence, but it is of no help to recognize anything produced by non-human intelligence.  It is also of little help trying to identify historic objects where the original purpose has been forgotten.
Complex Unspecified stone or Complex specified stone?


It would also be a mistake to think that the sand dune is devoid of information.  Coded into the structure is the medium that produced the dune, the velocity (magnitude and direction) of the wind, the grain size of the sand etc.  

How do we know that the dune was not the product of an intelligent wind producing writing or a sculpture with some meaning to its kind?  

The answer is that we don't, but we can show that the assumption of such an intelligent wind is unnecessary; the micro and macro waves (ripples and dunes) can be adequately explained by natural forces.  Sorry Hopi, Aeolus, Boreas, Zephyr, Notus, Euru etc. Since there is no other evidence for intelligent winds (other than the Discovery Institute) we can confidently reject that hypothesis.

Date: 2008/07/21 23:48:31, Link
Author: Quidam
That's got to be a Poe.  She can't be serious.

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"If the above individuals were found fossilized, who knows how they would be interpreted. "
 They would be interpreted as modern human skeletons.  Just because you do not know how to recognise a modern human doesn't mean everyone is as ignorant.   If one were found in the Jurassic no one would consider it transitional, they would look for reasons for it to be there e.g. burial in older strata.

What were those slackers doing, fancy not sending a rocket to the moon!  They were surviving, breeding, fighting, huddling in shelters praying to the Thunder God to spare them and the Hunter God to provide food.  Pretty much what every one did until we discovered science.

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"No, that’s not what I’m saying.  I realize that you know much, much, much more than I do on this topic.  I’m just saying that when I look at the fossils that Darwinists claim are transitionals and listen to their explanations as to why they believe them to be so, their stories often sound mighty ridiculous when you consider the whole evolutionary paradigm.  "

Yes that is what you're saying - you just said it again.  What is ridiculous is someone proudly vaunting their ignorance as a virtue and dismissing everything  she doesn't understand because she doesn't like the answer.

If you don't understand gravity then you can't explain the movements of planets and any explanation will sound ridiculous.  If you don't know how sediments can determine paleoenvironments then any geological history is going to sound like fiction.

Date: 2008/07/22 11:38:26, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 22 2008,07:08)
It's like saying that yes, pennies exist but I refuse to believe they add up into pounds.

In fairness it's a bit more than that.  It's more like saying "I can see why corn is more expensive in winter, but that cannot explain the US economy and the price of oil."

Frankly when I'm playing an interactive computer game I find it difficult to believe that I'm playing against a collection of transistors, yet I know it to be true.  Creationism is like saying "I can see how you can use a transistor as a switch, but it's ridiculous to suggest that throwing miilions of them in a box will create a virtual reality or send messages around the world.

Date: 2008/07/23 10:09:34, Link
Author: Quidam
What's worse is that he parades his 'open-mind' as a virtue that makes him superior to the likes of "Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, James Randi, and the skeptical community in general."

Unlike them he supported the fakir by going to his show and contributing.  As spammers know full well, you don't need many responses to make money.

Gullibility is not a virtue.

Date: 2008/07/23 14:42:10, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ July 23 2008,08:15)
His favorite co-author believes Sun Myung Moon is the second coming of Jesus (Jesus v2.0).

You'd think Jesus V2.0.01 would be able to keep a helicopter flying

Date: 2008/07/23 15:05:32, Link
Author: Quidam
Probably needs to be nailed to a tree to get the bugs out.

Date: 2008/07/23 22:27:40, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Ftk @ July 23 2008,18:38)
Shubin's Tik. link is also a dead end because they provide a picture of the fish/terapod fossil, and then show a rendition of what it supposedly looked like at one time, but there is no close up of the exact *original* fossil parts that supposedly match up to that sketch of the "wrist".  It's frustrating how scientists present this stuff to the general public.  You have to dang near hunt down the actual fossil and corner the person who found it to get a good look at the exact fossils they're talking about and compare them to the drawings that shown up everywhere.


A photograph of the "exact *original* fossil parts that [supposedly] match up to that sketch of the "wrist""

I've compared the photograph to the sketch in the book and can affirm there is an excellent match.  There is a reason people provide sketches of fossils, rather than photographs - it can be difficult to see the detail in photographs.  

Bear in mind that the shoulder and wrist bones came from a different specimen than the one shown above.  While we talk of Tiktalik and 'the fossil' they have found several specimens.

Date: 2008/07/24 10:48:02, Link
Author: Quidam
'Transitional' is not a term that can be applied to an individual fossil - it only means something in relation to other fossils.  In many important respects all fossils, indeed all organisms, are transitional.  

All 'transitional' fossils are fully formed and functional organisms, with a better reproductive success than their ancestors IN THE ENVIRONMENT they make their home.  

Sometimes they are sufficiently fit and the environment is sufficiently stable that they stay relatively unchanged for millions of years.  Some of their descendants may try to exploit a new environment and be subject to evolutionary pressure again.  So sometimes (often) a transitional species exists in the same time as it's ancestor and descendant species. The transitional species can still be extant.  

So Tiktalik is a fit organism well suited for the estuarine wet/dry environment it is found in.   It has fish like features and tetrapod like features.  

(OK I'm an engineer, so this is a simplified layman's explanation, but I find trying to explain it gets it clear in my own mind.  Please corrct me if I've misrepresented anything.)

Date: 2008/07/24 17:13:26, Link
Author: Quidam
Ackademic Freedum means everyone must gets tenyear.

Date: 2008/07/25 09:43:27, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
DoL: For some of us, making a living writing is like making a living plumbing.

That explains so much...

Date: 2008/07/27 23:41:31, Link
Author: Quidam
That's easy, I've done that for you.  the only problem is that the number of cities makes the x-axis labels illegible.  

Date: 2008/07/28 10:14:05, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (stevestory @ July 27 2008,22:47)
That kind of looks like SigmaPlot formatting, btw.

Actually I used the 'Stock Market' chart type with hi, low and close 'prices'

I'll save it as a pdf and send it.  It would be a lot easier if you had a spreadsheet software. I can recommend Open Office - the price is right and it's excellent

Date: 2008/07/28 11:51:55, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Hermagoras @ July 28 2008,10:24)
Another O'Leary screwup: deans are of COLLEGES, not departments.  

Not neccessarily.  In the UK & Canada at non-collegiate Universities, the Dean is the head of a faculty or group of departments.  

So while it is unlikely that a University would have a Dean of English, as English is usually just a department, it's not impossible.

Date: 2008/07/28 18:02:20, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 28 2008,11:43)
Wouldn't that give her undue credibility as a journalist?

I thought we had already established that she was a plumber...

Date: 2008/07/29 10:45:00, Link
Author: Quidam
Tht's not HER bathroom.  She's a professional and can be hired by the hour.  

I can't recommend her services though, she spent a lot of time trying to prove that the "log jam" was designed and didn't 'just happen'

Date: 2008/07/30 13:39:12, Link
Author: Quidam

Date: 2008/07/30 13:47:58, Link
Author: Quidam
Oops, almost forgot the essential tool of the trade

Date: 2008/08/02 11:09:30, Link
Author: Quidam
A mathematical analysis is simply a model.  While models are extremely useful, it is important to remember that they are not the real thing and that if there is a discrepancy between the model and reality, it's unlikely that reality is wrong.

Date: 2008/08/04 22:22:46, Link
Author: Quidam
Unlike a pendant which swings between two boobs
or a pederast which swings between two boys

Date: 2008/08/29 15:38:02, Link
Author: Quidam
Sarah Palin = Dan Quayle

- with tits

Date: 2008/08/31 22:26:15, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Aug. 31 2008,14:02)
I'd be intensely interested in an algorithm that mirrors real biological evolution.

How about a program that in each iteration generates an array of artificial life creatures  by mutations in its building rules ('genes') from a parent. The user selects one of the children in each generation to become the parent of the next generation. The user decides subjectively what sorts of traits  to select for. This simulates artificial, rather than natural, selection.

I know where such an algorithm can be found.

Date: 2008/09/01 17:04:31, Link
Author: Quidam
Obama's response is appropriate and stands in stark contrast to McCain's attack on Chelsea Clinton in 1998

Quote
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

Date: 2008/10/08 15:58:03, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,14:38)
You can google can't you?  A lot of it is in creationist journals, and of course good 'ol Walt has done all kinds of field work and research that you refuse to even acknowledge exists.  His theory about the grand canyon alone makes much more sense than a lot of secular theories out there.  But, you have to actually read it in it's entirety.  And, yes, he actually left his armchair to do the work.

The gal I've been talking to about baraminology told me there are people working on it in their spare time, and a few Christian colleges getting some funding for it.  You'd be surprised how similar it is to what evolutionists do when placing organisms in certain groups.

And when a geologist goes into the field with his hammer it looks a lot like what convicts do breaking rocks.  But because something looks 'sciency' doesn't make it so.

I have read Brown's tale. Nothing about Brown's geology makes sense to someone with any geological knowledge.  Nothing he has said accounts for faunal succession, the existence of changing facies thoughout the column, generations of animals living and dying, layer upon layer in rocks that are claimed to have been laid down and re-excavated in a year or so.

Recently consolidated and saturated sediments do not and cannot form cliffs of the scale of the Grand Canyon.

Date: 2008/10/08 16:06:53, Link
Author: Quidam
McCain IS Gollum.



He was one an honorable creature who doesn't like what the lust for power has done to him.  He's now a shrunken shell dominated by forces and creatures out of his control

Date: 2009/01/10 12:28:14, Link
Author: Quidam
Why does the 'Academic Freedom Day' logo show people  shooting rubber chickens from behind an American flag while Darwin looks on with dismay, armed only with a large, phallic pencil?

Date: 2009/01/14 10:35:15, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.

Many cases of foul, putrid ugliness, such as parasitic worms

http://www.stanford.edu/group....leg.jpg

and gangrenous faces

http://bp1.blogger.com/_GpIqc5....g

lack any plausible theological explanation

(edited to replace shocking, grotesque image with link to same -stevetard)



Date: 2009/01/14 14:50:50, Link
Author: Quidam
...

Date: 2009/01/14 14:51:32, Link
Author: Quidam
I am not going to apologize for showing pictures of real world suffering. Horrific - yes.  Preventable - yes.  if you are offended then I hope you are also encourageed to do something.

Those kinds of things are entirely preventable.  I can only do a bit to help.  But then I'm not omnipotent or omniscient.  If I was and chose to do nothing, I think I would deserve to be reviled - not held up as the epitome of virtue - especially if I had deliberately created those creatures.  

However the simpler explanation that nature is indifferent to suffering and that nematodes and bacteria are just doing what their genes have tailored them to do for millennia. It's up to us to make this world a bit better by doing something other than just wishing.

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.

Date: 2009/01/14 14:52:36, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,10:11)
Quidam - I have to disagree that there is no theological explanation.

... plausible ...

Date: 2009/01/14 22:21:50, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 14 2009,19:48)
The little kid with the face infection looks more like staph.

Isn't another name for that: hemolytic staphylococcus gangrene?

I is only an engineer, but I thought that gangrene was a non-specific name for necrosis from one of many bacteria.

My first thought was that it was likely oro-facial gangrene from acute gingivitis.

Date: 2009/01/14 22:52:45, Link
Author: Quidam
This seems to be the source of the image, where it is tagged with
 
Quote
El Noma (Cancrum Oris), una enfermedad infecciosa que mutila las partes blandas de la cara y suele iniciarse durante un episodio febril. Esta lesión, que a menudo pasa desapercibida en un primer momento, evoluciona hacia una gingivitis ulcerosa de manera rápida y extensa, afectando a continuación a mejillas, mentón, labios, etc. Su devastador resultado: una lesión en forma de cráter cavernoso que llega a devorar la masa osea con vil celeridad.

Son los malditos entre los más pobres, la cara más amarga de la pobreza.


The Noma (Cancrum Oris), is an infectious disease that maims the soft parts of the face and usually starts during a fever. This lesion, which often goes unnoticed at first, evolves into an ulcerative gingivitis so rapid and widespread, affecting cheeks, chin, lips, etc.. Its devastating result is a cavernous crater devouring bone mass with vicious speed.

They are the cursed among the poorest, the most bitter end of poverty.


Blessed are the poor?

Date: 2009/01/15 12:18:24, Link
Author: Quidam
I think you will be more successful if you dissemble a little.  

Leave MC conveniently undefined and it can stand for anything: Meaningful Complexity or Modern Creosaltationalism.

Date: 2009/01/18 11:40:53, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 11 2009,14:18)
Since we all know that nobody was "expelled" in Expelled, and that Kev-0's screenplay was a pack o' lies, if only they had waited a year they would have had a bone fide Expell-o-rama person.

Caroline Crocker.

No longer "executive director" of the IDEA clubs.  

Expelled!

By creationists.  Go figger.

I've updated Wikipedia.  

Quote
The Future of IDEA
In early 2008. Dr. Caroline Crocker became the first Executive Director of the IDEA Center. Dr. Crocker left the Center in the summer of 2008 to pursue other endeavors.

http://www.ideacenter.org/about/history.php

That has to be the ultimate bungee appointment.  Even allowing for the vagueness of 'early 2008' and 'summer of 2008'  that's at most four months.  

What did she do/not-do to be expelled/drop out like that?  

Does anyone know?  The Idea site is very coy.  "To pursue other interests" is usually a euphemism for "we fired her sorry ass for being a total Dembski"

Date: 2009/01/19 10:54:51, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 18 2009,13:03)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 18 2009,13:30)
 
Quote (Cubist @ Jan. 17 2009,21:01)
That waste of perfectly good celluloid which you call Expelled is a compendium of groundless whining, logical fallacies, libelous (or is it 'slanderous'? I can never remember which is spoken and which is written)

Libel is written defamation, slander is spoken. Mnemonic: libel can be read in the LIBrary.

And Slander is Spoken.

And if someone is reading a script in a propaganda movie it's ...

?

May I suggest: Slimebel

Date: 2009/02/23 12:48:10, Link
Author: Quidam
Dave Scott says:
Quote
In other “global warming” news, the NSIDC reports that antarctic sea ice is at a record high (at least since 1980 when measurement started). The new high is REALLY high. It’s 50% greater than the old record set in 1995. In case anyone is laboring under the misapprehension that antarctic sea is retreating, it ain’t. The 30-year trend is up 2.5% per decade.


As the northern hemisphere warmed the southern hemisphere cooled. They don’t tell you that because, well, it’s not so easy to work you into a panic when the planet isn’t really warming.


Hmm
the NSIDC reports
and
They don’t tell you that
seem to be a contradiction.  They DID tell you that Dave, you even linked to the article and chart where they told you.  It's not as if ID, Creationists and global warming deniers actually have do research to find these things out.

This is rather like "Scientists won't allow questioning of Darwinism - and here's a collection of quotes where famous scientists question Darwinism."

Date: 2009/02/24 10:46:26, Link
Author: Quidam
As an engineer I rather like the works of Kipling, especially The Sons of Martha, which comments on the one of the first attempts to denigrate useful work in favour of mindless adoration.

The sons of Mary seldom bother, for they have inherited
  that good part;
But the Sons of Martha favour their Mother of the
 careful soul and the troubled heart.
And because she lost her temper once, and because she
 was rude to the Lord her Guest,
Her Sons must wait upon Mary's Sons, world without
 end, reprieve, or rest.
It is their care in all the ages to take the buffet and
 cushion the shock.
It is their care that the gear engages; it is their care that
 the switches lock.
It is their care that the wheels run truly; it is their care
 to embark and entrain,
Tally, transport, and deliver duly the Sons of Mary by
 land and main.

They say to mountains, "Be ye removed." They say to
 the lesser floods, "Be dry."
Under their rods are the rocks reproved-they are not
 afraid of that which is high.
Then do the hill-tops shake to the summit-then is the
 bed of the deep laid bare,
That the Sons of Mary may overcome it, pleasantly
 sleeping and unaware.
They finger death at their gloves' end where they piece
 and repiece the living wires.
He rears against the gates they tend: they feed him hungry
 behind their fires.
Early at dawn, ere men see clear, they stumble into
 his terrible stall,
And hale him forth a haltered steer, and goad and turn
 him till evenfall.
To these from birth is Belief forbidden; from these till
 death is Relief afar.
They are concerned with matters hidden - under the
 earthline their altars are-
The secret fountains to follow up, waters withdrawn to
 restore to the mouth,
And gather the floods as in a cup, and pour them again
 at a city's drouth.
They do not preach that their God will rouse them a
 little before the nuts work loose.
They do not teach that His Pity allows them to drop
 their job when they dam'-well choose.

As in the thronged and the lighted ways, so in the dark
 and the desert they stand,
Wary and watchful all their days that their brethren's
 day may be long in the land.

Raise ye the stone or cleave the wood to make a path
 more fair or flat -
Lo, it is black already with blood some Son of Martha
 spilled for that!
Not as a ladder from earth to Heaven, not as a witness
 to any creed,
But simple service simply given to his own kind in their
 common need.


And the Sons of Mary smile and are blessed - they
 know the Angels are on their side.
They know in them is the Grace confessed, and for
 them are the Mercies multiplied.
They sit at the Feet - they hear the Word - they see
 how truly the Promise runs.
They have cast their burden upon the Lord, and - the
 Lord He lays it on Martha's Sons!


Yup, while Dembski basks in the knowledge that he has his imaginary angels on his side, the Sons (and daughters) of Martha keep the house warm, put food on the table and heal the sick.  i.e. the useful work that is judged by results.  It doesn't happen by praying and it's for the good of their fellow man.  

Unfortunately engineering and dentistry do seem to be the homes for educated creationists where their beliefs will not be challenged too much by their profession.  Please remember they are not typical of either profession.

Date: 2009/02/24 11:35:31, Link
Author: Quidam
Yes, it's very rewarding when it's your own and it's a good design.  

What annoys me about the 'Intelligent design' creationist movement is that detecting design (or agency) is an important field of study and is science.  Is this curiously shaped rock a fossil, human artifact or a result of concretion?  It could be moulded by mischievous pixies as part of a mysterious ceremony but that hypothesis is sensibly discarded since attributing design to them begs the question of whether they exist in the first place.

Unfortunately the ID creationist movement is only concerned with attributing life to pixies.

Date: 2009/03/04 21:06:15, Link
Author: Quidam
Egnor Erupts  

Date: 2009/03/23 11:09:27, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote
So if you really wanted to know the SI of a baseball all you have to do is to figure out how to make one, write down the instructions, and count the bits.


What is the CSI of this snowflake?



The BOM is easy: 1mg water

Now to make it all you need is a precise log of the path it took through the cloud, the temperature of the cloud at each point in the path and the electrical potential.

Of course to properly count the bits, we also have to define a gram, temperature and voltage.  Not to mention a control system to accurately steer the snowflake to the right place at the right time.

Clearly considerably more than  500 bits of information is required to define the manufacture of a snowflake.  Therefore a snowflake clearly possesses CSI and each is therefore intelligently designed.

Date: 2009/03/23 16:38:06, Link
Author: Quidam
I think they have worked out that for certain values of mutation and population size, 'latching' is emergent behaviour - i.e. a less fit best child is improbable.

They're still struggling with the purpose of the program.  They are torn between "If we can prove the program is wrong we haz destroyed the evilutionists" and "I don't get the point of the program"

Date: 2009/03/24 17:16:51, Link
Author: Quidam
He has now corrected the reign/rain/rein error.  Indeed it never existed and was just another ploy by immoral Darwinists to make him look illiterate

Date: 2009/03/30 14:56:49, Link
Author: Quidam
Well thanks all.  55 down and it's all uphill from here!

Date: 2009/03/30 16:44:38, Link
Author: Quidam


The Cheerleader Unholy Trinity

There's no dissent here

Date: 2009/03/31 12:13:20, Link
Author: Quidam
I was more of a Meccano engineer.

But in those days you could do real chemistry in school.  Making chloroform and nitrogen tri-iodide - mmm now that's fun.

If anyone had told me in the '60s or '70s that in 40 years time people would be claiming that the world was only six and a half thousand years old and that people would be claiming that humans are not evolved animals. I would not have believed them.

Maybe we need to get high school science fun again.  Making explosives would weed out the incompetents.  

Evolution in Action

Date: 2009/04/01 10:20:19, Link
Author: Quidam
My account is still active at UD, I can log in and post comments, but they simply disappear - no moderation warning or anything, they just go straight into the bit bucket. Must be a hold-over from the old moderation policy.  I'm going to have to create a new one now. But that thread is stale now.

I my post referred to this quote:
Quote
Taking homology to its conclusion, Owen reasoned that there must exist a common structural plan for all vertebrates, as well as for each class of vertebrates. He called this plan the archetype... However, Owen did not believe that his archetype was anything like an ancestor to the vertebrates. Rather, the archetype represented an idea in the Divine mind, which also "foreknew all its modifications."


This is as good a description of 'Front Loading' and that 'Homology is evidence of common design' as I've seen.  

Owen was a particularly unpleasant person, as Iconfid has pointed out.  No reflection on his ID viewpoint of course.

Date: 2009/04/04 13:59:57, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (Louis @ April 03 2009,10:35)
I am aware that there is more to librarianship than alternatives to flat surfaces and the Dewey Decimal system. Tight hair pins, starched white blouses and half moon glasses for example. Oh dear I seem to have a) got myself into a lot of trouble and b) started down a road of erotic librarians that will take a crowbar to release me from.

Let's see what we can do to kill the sexy librarian fantasy for you with a little hypnotism

You are feeling sleepy ... sleepy...

Whenever you think "Sexy librarian" this image will dominate your thoughts ...



Snap.  You are now awake.

Far more effective than a crowbar.

Date: 2009/04/04 18:48:01, Link
Author: Quidam
Well if you're looking for a youg sexy librarian then say no more.

Suzie Worblehat for your viewing pleasure


Horace grounded her for month when he saw the spread in LSpace Review

Date: 2009/04/06 15:21:34, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (dheddle @ April 06 2009,09:10)
He needs to look into whether the lifelines of the integers can cross--i.e., will 6 ever be larger than 22? What will this mean for sports records?

Code Sample
call ChangeSportRecord(6)
end
subroutine ChangeSportRecord(i)
 integer i
 i=23
 return
end


That'll do it.  At least in Fortan IV

Date: 2009/04/15 12:17:43, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (zagnik @ April 15 2009,00:17)

I thought O'Leary was the Tard Venus

Date: 2009/04/18 23:34:39, Link
Author: Quidam
Off the topic of evolution, but if you agree that the perpetrators of torture, a criminal act, should be held accountable, the ACLU is hosting a petition
Quote

An Open Letter to Attorney General Eric Holder

It is time to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate who knew about and authorized the Bush administration’s torture policies. If the evidence warrants, prosecutions should occur.

Nobody is above the law -- that includes high-ranking government officials. And we must look back to make sure this never happens again in order to move our country forward.

Please appoint an independent prosecutor to restore credibility at home and abroad and to give us an America we can be proud of again.

Signed,

Date: 2009/04/20 15:11:19, Link
Author: Quidam
You don't have to be a US citizen to send a message to the president.  

Date: 2009/06/06 11:23:04, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (J-Dog @ May 31 2009,17:52)
I hope Quidam can do something with the cover of  Dr. Dr.'s new book, like he did for his last book.  Those Green Buttocks were a great marketing tie-in for the usual crowd of UD and ID Ignorati .




It does sort of resemble the Erectile Dysfunction undoubtadly suffered by most UD and ID supporters...

Since Obama's election I have been taking a bit of a sabbatical from the ID Tard and marvelling at the Beck/Hannity/O'Reilly  tard.

This really doesn't give me too much to work with, but I suppose that IS the point.  Dembski is reduced to traditional insipid apologetics.  The once mighty Explanatory Filter failed to rise to the occasion, leaving O'Leary unsatisifed, ForTheKids without meat on the table and is seldom seen or even mentioned now.   So on that theme:







Date: 2009/06/13 11:21:27, Link
Author: Quidam
Quote (didymos @ June 12 2009,13:42)
[quote=Schroedinger's Dog,June 12 2009,09:51]
Quote

Dumb ho' said somethin' that made me mad
She said somethin' that I couldn't believe
So I grabbed the stupid bitch by her nappy-ass weave
She started talkin' shit, wouldn't you know
Reached back like a pimp, slapped the ho'


I don't think Denyse has a nappy-ass weave, though I'm sure one of the local photoshop ninjas could do something about that (hint, hint).

I'm not even going to think about that.  Dammit,  elephants, elephants, elephants, elephants.

Now I'm thinking of elderly cow elephants with braided pubes.

Aaaaaaaaagh

 

 

 

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