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Date: 2006/08/22 10:51:38, Link
Author: don_quixote
I've learned quite a bit from this thread, including:

it's a waste of time to try to get the delusional to acknowledge reality.

If AFDave was standing next to an elephant, and he wanted to deny it's existence, there is nothing you could do or say that would make him change his mind; even if you stuck his head up the elephant's arse.

Seriously guys, you've been astoundingly patient with this idiot, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sure that the time you spend trying to educate him could be used in a better way?

And Dave, I really do pity you. Whether you realise it or not, you have problems, so get some help, yeah? Maybe a brain-scan; I've heard that tumors can cause serious mental retardation. I'm not trying to be hurtful, I'm just concerned for you, and those around you.

Date: 2006/08/22 17:21:51, Link
Author: don_quixote
steve_h has already mentioned it, but as a newcomer to the whole id-v-evolution thing, i found Dumbski's...

"When I have a moment, I’ll be booting all three of you."

...an unbelievable response to such benign comments:

1 - "What does this have to do with Evolution or ID?"

2 - "Here we get another piece of positive evidence for ID. Thanks Dr.Dembski for your continuing high quality technical output. What would ID do without you?"

3 - "We con’t need marketing, we need research. What’s the deal here… But wait, the article seems to suggest that the parody clip was a huge success, because it spread virally. I’ve seen several marketing campaigns do well because of that. So are you instead suggesting that they are doing a good job spreading their drivel around?"

That guy has a serious Napoleon complex!

Date: 2006/08/22 17:30:22, Link
Author: don_quixote
thinking about it, maybe he's less Napoleon, and more Anne Robinson (as in "The Weakest Link"). I mean, Napoleon had some successful campaigns, whereas Ms Robinson is just vile. (and i can imagine Dumbski dressing up as the latter when 'booting' people from his site. y'know: black gestapo-like dress and stilettos...)

Date: 2006/08/22 17:46:05, Link
Author: don_quixote



like two peas in a pod!

Date: 2006/08/22 18:57:44, Link
Author: don_quixote
"Wow. Take off her lipstick, and give her a $4 haircut and you've got Dembski."

don't you mean: put on some lipstick and give him a mint julep and you've got a typical friday night at chez Dumbski. i wonder what Dense O'Leary comes as?

Date: 2006/08/22 19:27:55, Link
Author: don_quixote

Dennis O'Leary as she is most fondly remembered, as Snaggletooth in Star Wars Episode IV.

Date: 2006/08/22 19:34:07, Link
Author: don_quixote

Dennis O'Leary as she is most fondly remembered, as Snaggletooth in Star Wars Episode IV.

Date: 2006/08/23 06:56:41, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (afdave @ Aug. 23 2006,09:48)
Yes, my data is biased.  AIG is biased.  As Rush Limbaugh says in response to people whining about giving liberals "equal time" on his show ... "I AM EQUAL TIME" ... "AIG IS EQUAL TIME" ... in other words, BOTH conventional literature and AIG/ICR are biased.  The question is "in which direction"??

Very few people out there write unbiased literature.  I have not read ANY conventional literature which does not have the assumption of Long Ages or Evolution sprinkled heavily throughout.  This is why I have gotten quite bored reading them.  They all sound the same.

So yes, AIG and ICR are biased toward the ID/Theisic (whatever you want to call it) Wolrdview.  But this worldview is far more plausible that the Materialistic Worldview, so for the most part, I read stuff written by people with the correct worldview.

There is some good info in conventional literature no doubt about it.  But you have to sift through it and throw away a lot to get to the good stuff.  AIG authors do that for me quite nicely.

...which just goes to show that arguing with Dave is as worthwhile as arguing with an schizophrenic alcoholic with advanced Alzheimers disease.

Dave, see a shrink.

Date: 2006/08/24 05:13:11, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (deadman_932 @ Aug. 23 2006,17:39)
On a lighter note, I've been looking over the posts and Stupid's responses and dammn, there's some funny crap there.


Hey, Deadman, any examples that could be forwarded to 'Fundies Say the Darndest Things'?

Dave, you might win an AWARD!!

Date: 2006/08/24 05:18:05, Link
Author: don_quixote
Oh, and Pandagon picked up on the PJ's this a few days ago.

There are some good comments.

Date: 2006/08/24 07:10:27, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (argystokes @ Aug. 24 2006,10:28)
Quote (don_quixote @ Aug. 24 2006,08:13)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Aug. 23 2006,17:39)
On a lighter note, I've been looking over the posts and Stupid's responses and dammn, there's some funny crap there.


Hey, Deadman, any examples that could be forwarded to 'Fundies Say the Darndest Things'?

Dave, you might win an AWARD!!

He already did!  First award for this month, as a matter of fact (All time cutest fundie award).

Video of a watch evolving in the ocean...

I'm... speechless!

And these people are proud to be transferring the fruits of their ignorance onto kids? It's obvious that they don't understand evolution at all!

Dave, you do realise that evolution is more than randomness, yeah? What am I saying; he believes that the world is 6000 years old, doesn't he.

Mental ill health is sad, particularly when there are victims. Dave, I was going to congratulate you on your (well deserved) award, but now I'm just going to ask you if you are very, VERY ashamed of yourself? You certainly should be.

Date: 2006/08/24 16:09:44, Link
Author: don_quixote
truth machine quoted Richard Dawkins as saying "It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that)."

Skeptic said "In my mind, being sceptical is just implementation of the idea that I know that I don't know".

Skeptic, you have indicated that you don't believe in the ToE. You have admitted that you know that you don't know, and thus realise that you are ignorant on this subject.

If someone had gained all the information that one normally needs to understand the ToE (and it's easy to acquire), and yet still 'didn't get it', would it not be unreasonable to suggest that they didn't have the ability to understand it, and were therefore 'stupid'?

If they had demonstrated that they weren't generally stupid, would it not suggest that they were ignoring facts because of delusion (which one could term as insanity), or for 'wicked' purposes?

I just can't see how you would have any problems with Dawkin's quote?

Date: 2006/08/25 02:28:36, Link
Author: don_quixote
Skeptic, do you believe in gravity?

How many decades worth of corroborating data do you need to believe in something?

Do you believe in anything other that that which you have absolutely no proof for (i.e. God)?

You do believe in God don't you?

Date: 2006/08/25 09:21:51, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Aug. 25 2006,14:09)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 11 2006,15:47)
I wonder if he's a Christian? If so, that explains it. Surely Christians have no place teaching science classes. Teaching math at Bible colleges in the South, sure, but not science.

I'm going to write my liberal Congresswoman this very afternoon.

####, Arden/George, this comment far exceeds the stupidity benchmark I previously calculated for you!

I think it's fair to assume that he meant 'Fundamentalist Christian'. Y'know the ones who deny reality. It kind of gets in the way of being a science teacher, just as being a schizophrenic does (no offence to schizophrenics ;-)

Would you describe yourself as a Fundamentalist Christian, O'Brain?

Date: 2006/08/25 09:32:23, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 25 2006,08:44)
Has anyone ever identified an empirical counterexample to Dawkins's statement?

I suspect that the probability of finding an intelligent, educated, sane, honest person who didn't believe in the ToE, is the same as the probability of finding a rabbit skeleton in Cambrian shales.

Date: 2006/08/25 09:51:20, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (2ndclass @ Aug. 25 2006,12:53)
If DaveScot is the Walter Middy of UD, then Tom English is the Andy Dufresne.  He stoically takes their abuse while, unbeknownst to them, he is methodically chipping away at their very dense wall.

Good call!

Date: 2006/08/25 09:56:53, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Aug. 25 2006,14:32)
Quote (don_quixote @ Aug. 25 2006,14:21)
Would you describe yourself as a Fundamentalist Christian, O'Brain?

No.

Ahh... it's good to hear that you are not one of those deluded people who believe they have evidence that falsifies the ToE.

Well done, young man!

Date: 2006/08/25 11:34:39, Link
Author: don_quixote


"I would like to thank..." Sob, sob. Wail, wail. Ah, f*ck it.

Thanks Steve  ;)

Date: 2006/08/25 11:51:21, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 25 2006,16:37)
And if anyone wonders why Don got the Vis Arts Award, it was for a very mean photoshopping of Denyse O'Leary.

what do you mean 'photoshopping'?!

if you don't believe she was in Star Wars IV, look it up on IMDB!

She was perfectly cast because she didn't need any special effects make-up and the way she spoke sounded like she came from another planet!!

(can i just check; libel laws are quite lax in the US, right?)

Date: 2006/08/25 12:15:55, Link
Author: don_quixote
Well said, ScaryFacts. No-one knows everything, but as the information required to educate one's self (in a subject one is interested in) is out there and easy to find, there is no excuse for AFDave's (and others) behaviour.

If I visited a forum about aircraft design (a subject I know nothing about) and tried to argue with the people on the forum (that actually design aircraft) that they didn't know what they were talking about, and that I had the ability to design 'planes better than them (whilst displaying my ignorance in the subject), I couldn't complain if they called me an idiot.

However, if I took the time to educate myself first, and approached discussions with humility and respect, I suspect that the experts would patiently help me further my understanding.


Dave... are you getting this????

Date: 2006/08/25 12:30:17, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 25 2006,17:18)
Quote (don_quixote @ Aug. 25 2006,18:15)
If I visited a forum about aircraft design (a subject I know nothing about) and tried to argue with the people on the forum (that actually design aircraft) that they didn't know what they were talking about, and that I had the ability to design 'planes better than them (whilst displaying my ignorance in the subject), I couldn't complain if they called me an idiot.

However, if I took the time to educate myself first, and approached discussions with humility and respect, I suspect that the experts would patiently help me further my understanding.


Dave... are you getting this????

Don't bother. I made almost this exact same point to Dave months ago. In one ear, out the other.

Maybe he doesn't have any ears?



Skeptic, how's your hearing?

Date: 2006/08/25 14:04:08, Link
Author: don_quixote
ScaryFacts said "The motivation to investigate evolution is just not there.  What good can come of it?  What happens if you find out everything you’ve been taught is a lie?"

You hit the nail on the head. For virtually every person who believes that the Bible is the literal truth, there is much more to loose than to gain by choosing to examine the creation story and the evidence for evolution.

Most of these people happily dismiss the ToE and suffer no personal consequences. Other people (AFD, Skeptic, et al) seem to want to use the ToE in their own personal wrestling match; by not being open to the evidence, they can never loose. They walk away with their faith rejuvenated and their ignorance intact, though one has to wonder about the initial strength of their faith if they felt they had to manufacture such a charade.

It takes a better sort of person to think "what I want to know is the truth". Once such an individual is aware that the basics of the ToE are as watertight as theories get, they have to look at what the Bible says in a different way. But, there is nothing they would have learnt that would  disprove the existence of God, or of gods.

IMHO, too may theists worship words without considering them.

Date: 2006/08/25 15:14:43, Link
Author: don_quixote
and there's always "people who cause you to doubt are being used as tools of the devil", or some such thing.

ScaryFacts, now that you're 'on the outside looking in' so to speak, what do you now feel when you see irrational creationist propaganda being disseminated to people who are not in a position to doubt it? Do you ever try and correct their misapprehensions, and are there any techniques which are more successful than others? Or is it truly a case of "if they don't want to open their eyes, nobody can make them"?

Personally, I worry about the children, because they are the most vulnerable.

Date: 2006/08/26 05:13:46, Link
Author: don_quixote
Dave, wow, you've almost won!

A few more Dave-logic punches and these evilutionists will be crying "no more, please, no more! Your superior intellect has smashed our unfounded beliefs in the religion of Darwinism. Please have mercy on us Dave, oh wise one. Lead us to salvation. Show us the way to our Lord, who we can now see is responsible for everything in the past, present and future. Forgive us Dave, we beseech you"

And you will respond with "rise, oh children who have been misled. I am not angry with you. I am all merciful, because the truth is, I AM GOD."

Then you will shine like the Sun, and everyone will worship and adore you.


Or maybe not...

Date: 2006/08/26 05:45:34, Link
Author: don_quixote
You're right that AFDave seems to exhibit the symptoms of true believer syndrome.

Religion is a little like alcohol, I think. An occasional drinker suffers no harm, and may actually benefit from it. But if one uses it to excess, to escape reality, one becomes addicted. I've experienced alcoholics and their warped logic, and I know that it's impossible to reason them out of their position. It requires a one-on-one approach, and a lot of love, patience, and psychology. It can be very frustrating.

As for your four-step plan, I see the logic in it, but I think that the goal should be to wean them off thinking that the Bible is without error, rather than ridding them of God.

I know some Christians who, for whatever reason, need to believe that a all-powerful, all-good, supernatural being is looking out for them. I suspect that they will never be able to give up their belief until they have something just as supportive to replace it with. And as it's not doing them (or others around them) any harm, I'm not convinced that it needs to be replaced.

Date: 2006/08/26 15:58:57, Link
Author: don_quixote
GoP, I'm looking forward to this debate. Personally, I think you may end up having to conclude that groups of people from any faith don't integrate into societies, if they are fundamentalists.

Integration is about compromise. Moderates of any faith are more likely to integrate into any society (and indeed enhance it). Fundamentalists are more likely to want society to change for them, in a way that reflects their world-view, and thus conflicts arise.

As you have decided to look at 'Western societies' in general, I'm interested to see what role the secularism of a country has to play.

Good luck.

Date: 2006/08/27 11:18:54, Link
Author: don_quixote
I can only see it being of relevance in a sociology degree course, as part of the 'culture wars'.

so therefore, I would have to choose 'C'.

=====

BTW, I finally got round to watching Dawkins' "The Root of All Evil" today. Some of the people he interviewed made my blood boil! Whilst not a perfect look at the effects of religion on society, I would certainly recommend it. The links to download it are:

Part 1 315MB
Part 2 318MB

You'll need Quicktime or VLC installed to play them.

Date: 2006/08/29 13:49:25, Link
Author: don_quixote
Hmmm... I'm starting to wonder if Christians actually  want Muslims to hate them. There's no better way of increasing a group's identity than by encouraging an opposing group to hate them. (The Oceana versus Eurasia/Eastasia thing. Osama bin Laden is very much the West's Emmanuel Goldstein, IMO.)

If so, it actually makes a lot of sense for Christians to uncritically support Israel, especially if it generates the hatred that results in terrorism. Then they can say "look at what Muslims do. They're EVIL. And as they are attacking us, we must be GOOD. Thus, we must destroy them".

The vilification of ALL things Islam is something I've heard from even the nicest Christians. It's as disturbing as talking to someone who you think is decent, and then they suddenly come out with the most blatant anti-semitism!

Why do theists have so much hatred? Is it something to do with being less rational?

Date: 2006/08/30 05:17:01, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Faid @ Aug. 30 2006,09:02)
 
Quote
Second: I realise that Christians have a dismal humans right record as well -- but isn't this another reason not to mix such potentially volatile cultures?

Er...

Paley, do you also think that Christians do not assimilate in Muslim countries well, and those countries should kick them out in fear of their safety?

Or are you just playing with words here?

Good question Faid. I can't wait for GoP's answer.

Gop, I'm glad to have gotten your attention. Perhaps you would be so kind as to address a point Arden made a few days ago:

"My prediction is that GoP would be much happier with hardcore Christian fundamentalists immigrating to this country than he would be with the most moderate Muslims."

Would that be correct?

Date: 2006/08/30 06:32:12, Link
Author: don_quixote
Dave, if you get arrested because of the dodgy-dealings that went on in your church, I suggest you plead insanity. You can submit this thread as evidence. Then, when they send you to a psychiatric hospital, you might finally get the help you need.

I would suggest that you just be honest, but you're so deluded that I don't think you know what honesty is any more.

Very, very sad.

I really hope your kids grow up to be better individuals, but I fear that you may have destroyed their chances. For that, you should be ashamed, but I know you wont be.

{sigh}

Date: 2006/08/30 09:15:32, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (afdave @ Aug. 30 2006,12:55)
Ved wins today's award for "Most Creative Post" ... good one, Ved.  You've given me a whole new idea for a Dynamation at K4T.  I hope this doesn't scare you.  Oh, I have so many ideas, though.  How will I ever narrow them down??!!

i.e. Dave has come up with new ways to market lies to kids again.

excuse me while I throw up.

Date: 2006/08/30 11:45:53, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Aug. 30 2006,16:27)
D.Q.

   
Quote
Gop, I'm glad to have gotten your attention. Perhaps you would be so kind as to address a point Arden made a few days ago:

"My prediction is that GoP would be much happier with hardcore Christian fundamentalists immigrating to this country than he would be with the most moderate Muslims."

Would that be correct?


Arfin's just trolling; he'll respond with an irrelevant witticism no matter what I say. But to answer your question: I would prefer the hardcore fundy Christian (after all, I am one myself), but mostly because many moderate Muslims have a dreadful habit of "flipping" into hardcore militancy once they become citizens. This is not a prejudice -- it's a fact. Perhaps they were lying about their beliefs, or perhaps they were horrified by the moral laxity they saw when they settled in. But whatever the reason, it's a very real problem and no one has a clue on how to detect Western-friendly Muslims ahead of time.

Thank you, GoP, for realising that you are a "fundy Christian" (and I don't mean that sarcastically). Now, would you mind responding to my previous comment:

"I think you may end up having to conclude that groups of people from any faith don't integrate into societies, if they are fundamentalists. Integration is about compromise. Moderates of any faith are more likely to integrate into any society (and indeed enhance it). Fundamentalists are more likely to want society to change for them, in a way that reflects their world-view, and thus conflicts arise."

Do you agree?

Date: 2006/09/01 09:41:49, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (ScaryFacts @ Sep. 01 2006,14:05)
WWJD - What Would Jesus Drive?

A Bugatti Veyron, surely!

Date: 2006/09/05 05:13:14, Link
Author: don_quixote
Maybe this should be posted on Conservative Christian fora, without identifying the nation? My bet would be that the US fundies will presume that GWB said this, and will voice their support. Then one can reveal that the policy they're cheering for was being instigated by the guy they hate the most.

Tee hee!

Of course, they still wont see that all fundies are as bad as each other. To do that, they would need functioning brains.

Date: 2006/09/07 10:11:17, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 07 2006,13:44)
Quote (Chris Hyland @ Sep. 07 2006,13:16)
Maybe Paul Stone and Casey Luskin can write an article for Wikiality.

NOW we know where Ghost of Paley gets his information!

Particularly, here, and here.

And don't forget Uncyclopedia!

Date: 2006/09/09 01:13:55, Link
Author: don_quixote
Talking of conspiracy theories, I just read this:

False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks Against its Own Citizens

I think the main problem with CT's, already mentioned above, is that the more people required to facilitate a 'false flag' operation, the less chance it has of succeeding, or staying secret.

Presuming for a moment that Bush et al came up with the plan to attack their own country with commercial aircraft, what do you think would be the least amount of people that would have to be 'in on it'? Also, how would one ensure that such people didn't tell (or if they did tell, wouldn't be believed)?

Date: 2006/09/24 09:42:35, Link
Author: don_quixote
Here in Aberdeen (Scotland), several of the city-centre churches have been turned into bars and restaurants. Great buildings, but it's a bit weird to have Jebus looking down at you (from the stained-glass windows) when you're knocking back pints and chatting people up.

In one, the urinal is actually the font!

(okay, I made that last bit up)

Date: 2006/09/25 05:03:42, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,09:44)
Ok, if Dave doesn't want to do anything, I'll fill in until he's ready. Before I start, one question: does anyone deny that Judeo-Christian culture has contributed more to human knowledge than any other culture?

Didn't Christianity retard human knowledge for over a thousand years, i.e. the dark ages?

Imagine where we'd be if humans had ceased being superstitious a few thousand years ago!

Date: 2006/10/17 08:29:27, Link
Author: don_quixote
I just wanted to bring this news story to everyone's attention:

 
Quote
An internet user has been found guilty of what police said was Britain's first "web-rage" attack.

Paul Gibbons, 47, tracked down John Jones using details obtained online after the pair exchanged insults in an internet chatroom, a court heard.

He travelled 70 miles to Mr Jones' home in Clacton, Essex, and beat him up with a pickaxe handle in December 2005.

continued


I realise that most people who post here don't reveal too much about themselves, perhaps for fear of being targeted by loonies, but I thought it was of value to post this anyway.

Keep safe.

Date: 2006/10/18 00:27:42, Link
Author: don_quixote
dave,

how do you explain the existence of trees like these:

Prometheus

Methuselah

how did they survive your flood?

Date: 2006/10/18 10:52:38, Link
Author: don_quixote
As a most-of-the-time-lurker, I would just like to thank you guys. Whenever I read these threads, I invariably learn something new (and I have a good chuckle too!;). Of course, one has to have an open mind and humility in order to learn.

Anyway...

So, Dave. What about those 5000 year old trees?

Date: 2006/10/19 05:35:08, Link
Author: don_quixote
Dave,

5000 year old trees.

How?

Date: 2006/10/20 00:54:02, Link
Author: don_quixote
And I'm still waiting to hear how trees which began growing 5000 years ago, survived a catastrophic, global flood which happened 4500 years ago.

Also, the scenario post-flood would be one of disjointed continents scoured of all life; bare rock, with no soil. How did Noah and his family re-establish the World's flora, and what did the animals from the ark do whilst the ecosystems were developing. And where did he get the soil from? And if the land-masses that we see today were elsewhere before the flood, wouldn't the biota be adapted to different environments. And why am I even bothering to ask these questions?

Dave, it was check-mate a long while ago. You insisted on playing on, and now you have absolutely no pieces left. And yet you continue to want to play on. Do you realise how stupid this makes you look?

And jujuquisp, I suspect that you're a troll, but if not, how would YOU answer my questions?

Date: 2006/10/20 02:18:28, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (jeannot @ Oct. 20 2006,06:00)
Quote (don_quixote @ Oct. 20 2006,05:54)
And I'm still waiting to hear how trees which began growing 5000 years ago, survived a catastrophic, global flood which happened 4500 years ago.

AIG already have their made-up answer : there isn't any 5000 year-old tree.
You know, some trees in greenhouses may accumulate more than on ring per year, therefore the wild californian pines are younger. Irrefutable.

And don't even mention dendrochonology.

Holy hothouses, Batman!

:D

Date: 2006/10/21 13:22:47, Link
Author: don_quixote
Lets face it, Dave is never going to learn anything.

I think there is a greater chance of teaching Jeremy, here, to be proficient at calculus. He already knows basic maths!



Jeremy 1
Dave 0

Date: 2006/10/24 07:36:58, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
Thunderbird and Bubble-Up.


I've not heard of the latter, but I do remember overindulging in Thunderbird in my teens. I don't know if they still sell it in the UK, though.

+++++++

I just saw this:

Amazon river 'switched direction'

Explanation please, Dave.

Date: 2006/10/29 04:16:03, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (jeannot @ Oct. 28 2006,18:43)
Have we finished with that information stuff yet? It becomes increasingly boring. ???

I'd like to hear Dave's take on post-Flood ecology *snicker*, in a world without soil and vegetation.
It ought to be good.  :)

I would LOVE to hear what Dave has to say on this subject!

Anyone else?

Date: 2006/11/08 09:07:33, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (afdave @ Nov. 06 2006,16:42)
Let me issue the mudflingers--those who make wild claims about me lining my pockets with church money, abusing children, liking Kent Hovind, and having some hidden sin like the Rev. Ted--a challenge.

As soon as I get done with Mike PSS and HLA-B alleles, pick a single issue related to my CGH, preferably on Points C & D ... biological information would be OK, maybe supposed beneficial mutations ... whatever ... and take me on IN DETAIL as Mike is doing.

Most of you are too lazy to even do it.  All you want to do is sit on the sidelines and mindlessly throw rotten eggs.  At least Mike, Deadman and Jon Fleming are not lazy.  They have at least engaged me and gone to some effort to try to support their view.  Unsuccessfully, I might add, but at least they tried hard.

Anyone up to the challenge besides those mentioned?

(emphasis mine)

Dave, I admit I'm too lazy, in the same way that I'm too lazy to teach a geranium maths.

You have demonstrated that you will never learn; that indeed you don't want to learn.

I admire the patience of Mike, Deadman and Jon Fleming.

You guys deserve a medal!

Date: 2006/11/09 04:45:02, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (k.e @ Nov. 08 2006,09:22)
don_quixote salutes-

 
Quote
I admire the patience of Mike, Deadman and Jon Fleming.

You guys deserve a medal!


Hey what about me?

No medal for  mudflinging lazily and  throwing rotten eggs desultorily ?

Let me tell you the effort required to unpick the mindless ad nausium quote mining, mangling , whistling in the dark, denial, egotistical misinformation from AFD is not trivial even though the consequences are.

Medals for all the Davesmackers.

Hey, fundiesmacking should be an Olympic sport!

Date: 2006/11/10 06:10:05, Link
Author: don_quixote
"Scientists have unravelled the genetic code of the sea urchin, an animal whose evolutionary lineage may be key to understanding the relationship of humans and other vertebrates to invertebrates."

Read More

Date: 2006/11/15 08:47:36, Link
Author: don_quixote
just for clarity:

Date: 2006/12/21 05:57:19, Link
Author: don_quixote
Is he still at it?!

I found this comment in the Pharyngula archive, and it seemed relevant:

 
Quote
#2822: Virge — 05/28  at  02:04 AM
In another reality, in another leg of the trousers of time, in a universe not completely unlike ours, Susan is actually an autonomous agent running on a modest home computer. She is a Debate-Bot designed to play a role in on-line entertainment. This is the future of on-line gaming.

Where most of the computer games to date have pitted a player's intelligence against that of other players (or computer simulated players), this paradigm shift sets up truly formidable opponents -- human ignorance and self-deceit. The Debate-Bot is incredibly frustrating. It is resistant to the most elegant of rational arguments, all of which it shrugs off with glib chestnuts, appeals to non-existent authority, accusations of conspiracies and ad hominem exaggerations. The game is addictive. The bot will never concede, so you can only ever experience limited victory when the bot stops responding, and even then you can never be sure if it has given up or is merely collecting more facts to distort.

In this parallel universe, "'bating the bot" is understood by all to be a game. Even the most naive child knows not to take a Debate-Bot seriously. Science fiction writers construct frightening dystopian worlds where complete subcultures are gulled by entertainment bots and driven by self-supporting fantasies. They imagine what atrocities could arise if those game arguments were allowed to influence education policy, or even worse, international politics.

(from: here)


Dave is a Debate-Bot from a parallel universe!
(or maybe he's the afore-mentioned Susan?)

Date: 2007/01/22 15:05:35, Link
Author: don_quixote
Oh, dear. This looks as if it's going to be another car-crash. I should look away, but..... nah, can't resist.


Avocationist,

It would be great if you could bring something new to the table, but I suspect you are going to give us the same old canards we've all heard before.

PROVE ME WRONG!

In order to help you, I strongly suggest that before you post your comments, you consult this easy to navigate list of creo/ID arguments, and check that your's hasn't already been addressed. It will save everyone's time, and may help prevent you from making a complete fool of yourself.

As the great Mark Twain once said: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Bon chance!

Date: 2007/01/23 16:38:25, Link
Author: don_quixote
Avocationist,

I imagine that the flaming you're getting does seem a little harsh, but you must understand that the AtBC regulars have had their patience pushed to the limit by people who come along making claims they cannot support (see AFDave's thread). We don't ask for much; we just ask that you tell us what your theory of I.D. is.

You see, if you claim that I.D. is a real scientific theory, but then can't tell us what you think the theory is, it doesn't reflect very well on you, does it?

So please, tell us what you think the theory of I.D. is.

:)

BTW, to avoid any unintended offence, do we refer to you as he or she? If you've already said, I apologise for asking again.

Date: 2007/01/23 19:53:15, Link
Author: don_quixote
"I’m using the Judge Jones definition of religion to classify atheism as a religion. Near as I can tell his definition is that if people who talk about religion a lot have other ideas their other ideas must be religious ideas. I hear atheists talking about a religion a lot. Take Richard Dawkins for instance. A very famous atheist and all he seems to do is talk about religion." --- Scrot

That has to be the most idiotic thing I've heard anyone say in a long while..... and I've been following AFDave's threads!

DaveScrotum really is astoundingly dumb.

Date: 2007/01/24 07:06:29, Link
Author: don_quixote
{at a party}

Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that?

Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design.

Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why?

......

come on Avo, keep me interested and I might buy you a drink !;)

Date: 2007/01/24 10:54:53, Link
Author: don_quixote
Sheesh, I only asked you to expand your theory a bit because I was interested in hearing more.

Why can't you tell me which "features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design", and why?

That is what you state your theory of I.D. to be, isn't it?

What would you think of someone who said they believed in the veracity of a scientific theory, but then couldn't tell you anything more about it?

Date: 2007/01/24 11:22:07, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (improvius @ Jan. 24 2007,11:00)
 
Quote (avocationist @ Jan. 24 2007,11:27)
4. A full critique of Dembski's response to The Flagellum Unspun.

I can get you started on this one right now.  Dembski asks:
   
Quote
Why is intelligent design held to such a high standard when that standard is absent from the rest of the empirical sciences (nowhere else in the natural sciences is strict logical possibility/impossibility enforced, not even with the best established physical laws like the first and second laws of thermodynamics)?


His assumption that the theory of evolution is not held to "strict logical possibility/impossibility" is incorrect.  He is arguing, in effect, that evolution is not falsifiable.  In reality, there are many ways to test the falsifiability of the ToE.  And we do not think it is too much to ask the same of ID, if it is to be accepted as a scientific hypothesis.

So, what hypothetical tests would you like to present for ID?

Ahh yes, falsification.

Avo, if (like Dembski) you don't understand this term, then you might be interested in reading this thread at richarddawkins.net, in which AFDave has the concept of falsifiability explained to him in several dozen ways. He still doesn't get it of course, but I'm sure you will, because you are brighter than him, right?

Date: 2007/01/24 14:23:12, Link
Author: don_quixote
{at a party}

Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that?

Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design.

Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why?

Avo: Are you completely unaquainted with the literature? What have you read?

Me: I've never heard of it before, but you seem to think it explains natural phenomena well. I was just wondering which features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design?

[throw me a frickin' bone here!]

Date: 2007/01/25 07:57:21, Link
Author: don_quixote
{at a party}

Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that?

Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design.

Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why?

Avo: Are you completely unaquainted with the literature? What have you read?

Me: I've never heard of it before, but you seem to think it explains natural phenomena well. I was just wondering which features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design?

Avo:  I am not sure why my giving an overview of what sorts of articles and books have influenced me is so illegitimate.

Me: I'm wasn't asking you for a reading list, just for some examples.

Avo: I think there are many IC systems. Blood clotting is a good one, the flagellum, the cell itself, perhaps DNA/RNA.

Me: Okay, lets take blood clotting, as you seem to think it's a "good one". Why is blood clotting best explained as being the result of intelligent design?

[Cedric comes along with a Martini and some nibbles and shows Avo to a comfy sofa]

Me: Hey! What the...?

[Don follows them]

Cedric: So...this very vague rundown of yours...Sound absolutely FASCINATING!!! Do tell me about all about this new scientific theory of ID.  Why, there was a news item about it on FoxNews only just last week!  As it happens, I remember a few of my science classes from high school so, go ahead and and hit me with what you've got. I'm all ears.

========

Well then Avo, you now have some cheesy snacks (don't tell DaveScot!;)), a comfortable chair and the complete attention of two guys. Take it away!

Edit: damned emoticons!

Date: 2007/01/25 09:12:58, Link
Author: don_quixote
Avo said:

 
Quote
Don, I don't think we should get sidetracked into falsification. hafta at least make some attempt to focus.


The point you should bear in mind is that a scientific theory/hypothesis has to be falsifiable. I.D. isn't, therefore it's not science. AFDave has had this explained to him over the course of almost 500 comments at richarddawkins.net's forum. He still doesn't get it. He probably never will. I just hope that you're a little bit brighter that him, I really do.

Date: 2007/01/25 17:29:51, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (avocationist @ Jan. 25 2007,13:34)
By the way, I think space aliens have interfered on ths planet, but it doesn't touch the important questions.

I didn't see that one coming!

Did anyone else have to read it three times?

Avo, dare I ask, why do you have this belief?

Date: 2007/01/26 07:51:58, Link
Author: don_quixote
{At the party. Everyone is staring open mouthed at Avo. The only sound is a faint, disembodied "BWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA", which seems to be coming from miles away}

Me: Err.. Avo, you've got a bit of.... on your.... just there.... he11, let me.

{Don wipes the mouth-froth from Avo's chin with a handkerchief}

Me: Cedric, what the feck was that drink you just gave her? An LSD Martini?

{Don backs away from Avo, slowly}

Me: I have to go over here now. Bye.

==============

Darth Robo said "I just wish I had a crate of beer.  Guess I'll have to settle for a virtual one."

Hey, if you can imagine it, it's real! Right, Avo? AFDave? Anyone?

Date: 2007/01/27 05:11:30, Link
Author: don_quixote
Cornelius, please learn how to use blockquotes. Thanks.

PS: learn some science too.

Date: 2007/01/31 05:44:49, Link
Author: don_quixote
Very well said, Louis!

Date: 2007/01/31 05:58:22, Link
Author: don_quixote
GoP,

Yeah, Ligers are scary creatures!


Phonon,

Are you sure that final picture of yours contains a puppy? Could be a chameleon pretending to be a puppy.


Personally, my favourite animal is the invisible pink unicorn (pic below).












.

Date: 2007/02/04 19:15:03, Link
Author: don_quixote
"Is intelligent design falsifiable? Is Darwinism falsifiable? Yes to the first question, no to the second." --- Avo

Calling AFDave!

(Are you related?)

Date: 2007/02/23 05:10:54, Link
Author: don_quixote
Just checked out www.idarts.org and I have to say that it was 100 times worse than I had imagined.

Why is it that contemporary Christian art (whatever the medium) is invariably so poor?

And why the #### are they always trying to sell stuff??

Date: 2007/03/01 09:16:40, Link
Author: don_quixote
Found a torrent for Idiocracy at thepiratebay. It really does seem to divide opinion!

Date: 2007/03/01 18:40:43, Link
Author: don_quixote
Point taken, Ichthyic. That was indeed inconsiderate of me.

Date: 2007/03/04 15:39:45, Link
Author: don_quixote
Download a whole website you say?

HTTrack is a great, free program.

Spiderzilla is a Firefox extension, based on HTTrack, which does the same thing.

They are both feature-rich, but you shouldn't need to alter the settings.

I'm just mirroring ISCID now (with Spiderzilla and default settings). Seems to be working okay.

Date: 2007/03/06 10:57:15, Link
Author: don_quixote
There are some rather good descriptions of Ann Coulter at Urban Dictionary.

Date: 2007/05/27 10:08:59, Link
Author: don_quixote
For those interested, here is Shi's Blogger profile*, and here is his blog. He does indeed seem to be a practicing scientist, at Burnham Institute for Medical Research! I wonder what his employers would think of this 'tard?

*found via JAD's 'blog'. (warning the 800+ comments on that link might make your browser crash)

Date: 2007/05/27 11:02:30, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (slpage @ May 27 2007,10:53)
 
Quote (don_quixote @ May 27 2007,10:08)
For those interested, here is Shi's Blogger profile*, and here is his blog. He does indeed seem to be a practicing scientist, at Burnham Institute for Medical Research! I wonder what his employers would think of this 'tard?

*found via JAD's 'blog'. (warning the 800+ comments on that link might make your browser crash)

Oh, I didn't see that before I posted - say, Shi - did you ever spam my blog under the name 'Designs'?

Because this 'Designs' jerk claimed to be a cancer researcher, but was fairly clueless about evolution...

"Designs" describes himself thusly:

 
Quote
Who am I? I am a PhD molecular biologist/biochemist that studies cancer genetics and the role of mutations in the p53 tumor suppressor gene in the origins of cancer. I have been involved in cancer research for well over 25 years and have published over 50 manuscripts, book chapters, and review articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals such as the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Oncogene, Journal of Biological Chemistry, and Molecular and Cellular Life Sciences, to name a few. I have received both national and international competitive grant support including funding from the National Institutes of Health and the International Association for Cancer Research.


I would say it's a damned good match.

Date: 2007/05/27 11:14:43, Link
Author: don_quixote
Also amusing is that on slpage's blog, Shi says:
 
Quote
A bit of clarification is needed in this forum about Creationism, Darwinism, and Intelligent Design. Intelligent Design (ID) scientists BELIEVE THAT EVOLUTION HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN THE DIVERSITY OF LIFE. Contrary to the ignorance portrayed by many evolutionists and the sloppiness of mainstream media, ID has nothing to do with religion.

but on this one says:
 
Quote
God created the integers. Until we find His way of creating the integers or primes, we will not truly know what is a prime or God. Knowing God is as simple as knowing 1, 2, 3 but is also as mysterious as knowing 1, 2, 3.  Darwinism has nothing useful to say about how to create 1, 2, 3 and cannot possibly explain why Nature is written in the language of numbers.

So then Shi, no religious agenda at all?

Date: 2007/05/27 11:39:27, Link
Author: don_quixote
And finally, his publication record is not very impressive.

23 papers since 1996
1 as first author
2 as sole author (both review papers)
no publications since 2005

On the plus side, if the pic on his BIMR page is current, he does look good for his age!



Shi, what's ya secret?

Date: 2007/06/11 21:08:42, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Louis @ June 11 2007,06:03)
The moderation at RDF is goofy indeed. I'm having a "conversation" with one of their admins by email at the moment after I worked spectacularly hard to get banned. The conversation thus far has consisted of him agreeing with me and then merely repeating the same claims that he's just agreed are false. Apparently the RDF are not part of this universe, their physics and logic are different.

I'm really conflicted about it as it happens because I want to believe that I am dealing with a sane and honest and intelligent human being who is merely mistaken. Sad thing is I think I'm wrong about at least one of those.

Louis

P.S. SteveS/Wes, if I EVER say anything bad about your moderation again (and I was wrong before) I shall fly over to your houses, hand you a 2 by 4 and let you beat me stoutly around the head and neck with it. I shall also provide the beer. ;)

Oh, boy. Tell me about it. I've been commenting there for the past few months, and it's got to the stage where I've pretty much had enough.

The final straw was this thread by Bodhi:

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16655

RD.net calls itself a "clear-thinking oasis", but not only do they allow people like Bodhi to post brainless drivel, but the moderators threaten anyone who understandably ridicules such tard with a ban!

They allow certifiable morons to shit in the water source and defile the coconuts, rather than telling them to disappear back into the desert. Some oasis.


Although I don't comment here very often, I do read the threads most days, and I have to say, Wes and Steve's moderation is damned good.

And not only is this a great oasis of reasoned thought, but also of great humour. Keep it up guys. It's very much appreciated.

Date: 2007/06/15 09:30:02, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
It also depends on how many just so stories you're going to have to tell in order to get your students to believe that what you're telling them is a "fact".

Gah! I'll be picking irony-meter shrapnel out of me for the next week!

Date: 2007/06/24 17:34:35, Link
Author: don_quixote
I think Mike PSS, Louis, and the other Brits here will appreciate it the most, but I personally think this sums up the creo-mind wonderfully:

From Father Ted: Good Luck, Father Ted

Date: 2007/07/04 14:11:17, Link
Author: don_quixote
Here's the Olbermann special opinion:

You ceased to be the President of the United States

It's stunning!

Date: 2007/08/16 11:20:20, Link
Author: don_quixote
Great thread Louis!

Skeptic, I couldn't let this one go by:
Quote
Do this mean that everything we need to know about what we think we're studying, Love, can be determined by the levels of testosterone, phenylethylamine , dopamine, etc. ?Does this tell us ... why a spouse will die of a "broken heart" following the death of their beloved?

That would be Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. :)

Date: 2008/04/07 21:34:03, Link
Author: don_quixote
Hi Kevin! As you will probably want to publish a book to accompany the film, I took the liberty of doing the front cover for you. From what I've heard of the movie so far, I think it should be eminently suitable...



Date: 2008/04/09 17:21:37, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
So which Harley do you own?

A 1998 Dyna Superglide, non-stock and souped up with Screaming Eagle pipes, S&S carburetor, high-performance ignition and cam, and increased compression ratio. It has 50% more horsepower than stock, and really roars.


Ironically, that bike is powered by Harley Davidson's Evolution engine.

 :D

Date: 2008/04/16 18:21:54, Link
Author: don_quixote
In their list of favourable quotes, they forgot:
 
Quote

"Waterlooooooooooooooo!!!!"
- William Dumbski, the Trofim Lysenko of ID

Date: 2008/04/18 10:00:21, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
Here’s a tip from your old pal Dave, one of those things my momma taught me:

If you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas.

For Mrs Scott, even worse than the fleas was that nine months later, Dave 'Wolfboy' Scott was born.

Date: 2008/04/19 04:55:34, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
From the DI:

This film is going to be a classic and there is nothing the fulminating opposition can do about it.

I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working.

Date: 2008/04/19 14:17:19, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 19 2008,13:03)
FtK links to a blog post by uber-tard Jason Rennie, invoking the bias of the "liberal media" as a factor in the thus far tepid response to NeinStein's crockumentary. Jason's blog has a single comment congratulating him on this stunning insight, posted by another uber-tard, William Wallace. All three seem to agree that this liberal bias is a problem.

FtK, can you not admit the possibility that the movie actually just plain stinks? Have you read the reviews? Why invoke a complicated explanation (liberal media conspiracy) when a simple one (bad movie) will do? Can you bypass the seemingly automatic persecution reflex just this once?

That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it? FtK exhibits a textbook case of true believer syndrome, and also has incurable confirmation bias.

Date: 2008/04/20 16:03:05, Link
Author: don_quixote
Francis Collins is a biologist. He knows that snakes don't have vocal cords. If he believes in a talking snake because of the Bible, that's petty dumb.

Date: 2008/04/21 04:29:41, Link
Author: don_quixote
Kevin Miller has just popped up on Shifting Baselines.

 
Quote
J.J. Ramsey said, "I can see someone reading Kevin Miller's blog and getting the impression that ID detractors are hateful, etc., because Miller wants to send that message."

Sorry, J.J., but the commenters on my blog are generating that message loud and clear without any help from me. I'm merely providing a venue. For the record, I don't moderate my comments at all. The only thing I censor is spam.


Is that true?

Aren't there some unanswered questions for him?


Edited to add: Talking of ScienceBlogs, Chris Mooney at The Intersection is unashamedly calling Expelled a success! He's obviously looking to get on UD, like his mate, Matt "haven't I got fabulous hair" Nisbet, did.

Date: 2008/04/21 05:53:14, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 21 2008,05:19)
And yet freegonzalez.com continues to solicit donations on the basis that he no longer has an academic position.
 
Quote
Donation Information
Your donation is fully tax-deductible to the amount allowed by law and will go to the Guillermo Gonzalez Research Fund established by Discovery Institute¹s Center for Science and Culture. This fund will be used to support Dr. Gonzalez¹s research and his efforts to secure a new academic position. Discovery Institute is a non-profit, non-partisan research and education organization, recognized by the IRS under 501©(3) of the federal tax code.

http://www.freegonzalez.com/involved.html

I've just sent him an email. It'll be interesting to see what the response will be.

Date: 2008/04/21 10:17:10, Link
Author: don_quixote
Kristine wrote "If you look at their goal of 2-3 million, then yes, Expelled is a success."

But as their stated goal was 12-15 million, I think most people would agree that they failed miserably.


Oh, and Chris Mooney is whining about being persecuted again. Film at ten.

Date: 2008/04/21 10:29:10, Link
Author: don_quixote
I can just imagine Ben Stein, in the not too distant future, pan-handling in LA, shouting "EVILUTION TRIED TO KILL MY DAD!!!"

:D

Date: 2008/04/21 11:08:09, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote
Kristine wrote "I have this weird sense of relief that Expelled got made, especially with its attendant scandals and hypocrisy."


I think that it's going to be of great use to us. The whole affair demonstrates how vacuous ID is, and how duplicitous its proponants are.

Can you imagine if they had made an honest, academically thorough film instead? Oh, hang on a minute; then they wouldn't be psuedo-scientists would they?

Date: 2008/04/21 15:26:19, Link
Author: don_quixote
This is precious:





"Expelled Flops at Box Office" says Ed Brayton

"Expelled a Box Office Success" says Chris C. Mooney

"I am Labeled a "Creationist Apologist" says Chris C. Mooney

...and he wonders why?

Date: 2008/04/22 05:34:48, Link
Author: don_quixote
(posted this here by mistake)

Date: 2008/04/22 06:23:43, Link
Author: don_quixote
Chris Mooney has been wondering why people have accused him of creationist apologetics. Do you think that now his (and Randy's) posts have appeared on Uncommon Descent he will get the message?

Chris Mooney - Shaken (Not Stirred) by Expelled

Date: 2008/04/23 16:37:34, Link
Author: don_quixote
Chris has finally lost the plot:

Paranoid delusions at The Intersection

Date: 2008/04/24 15:09:38, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (jcmacc1 @ April 24 2008,13:44)
Quote (dnmlthr @ April 23 2008,16:47)
 
Quote (don_quixote @ April 23 2008,22:37)
Chris has finally lost the plot:

Paranoid delusions at The Intersection

Sounds like he's taking the ball and going home.

The ball has officially been taken home - comments have been closed on the Expelled-themed posts over at the Intersection and there's a promise that all comments from now will be on moderation.

So Uncommonly Dense can now use Mooney again : "Expelled-loving Darwinist is forced to close blog because of uppity atheists".

What is Mooney's problem with debate? All he really got was a set of questions on why he fell at the feet of Expelled despite *evidence* of its failure as a commercial movie - I'd love to see his reaction to the kind of genuine hatred PZ gets from the fundies over at Pharyngula.

From Chris Mooney's review of Expelled: "Since there are certain things you cannot really say on ScienceBlogs any longer..."

Later... "UPDATE: The Intersection has gone back to moderating all comments."

So, it seems that the "things you cannot really say" are anything that is critical of Chris Mooney's opinions.

It's like he's become possessed by FtK.

Date: 2008/04/25 17:43:22, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (Annyday @ April 25 2008,15:24)
Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ April 25 2008,14:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,14:30)
 
Quote (ERV @ April 25 2008,14:23)
Just read the complaint against Premise by Yoko.

Its beautiful.

Did you all know EMI is in on the suit too?

I didnt know that.

*wipes away tears of joy*

Has your blog been delisted from Google?

I noticed that too. I search for ERV on Google because it's easier than typing in the url, but it's gone again.

I do all my browsing that way, and yes, it does appear ERVs blog has been delisted again.

Yeah, me too. What do you think is going on?

Date: 2008/04/26 07:50:44, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (melatonin @ April 25 2008,13:25)


Hi, I'm Robert Marks, a 57 year old engineer. You should stay clear of me, I'm scary. I like to eat sticks. I don't have any black belts - but do have lots of guns. When I went to the NRA convention in Seattle, my favorite umber sticker was "Beware of dog. He eats everything I shoot." I laughed my head off.  I like to shoot things for fun.

ABe: doh!

Is this the look he was aiming for...

Date: 2008/04/28 07:38:57, Link
Author: don_quixote
Yahoo has some of your site cached.

Don't know how long it's going to last, though.

Date: 2008/04/28 07:45:34, Link
Author: don_quixote
WooHoo! All praise Yahoo!!

If you search for (for instance) "ERV March" it will give you the link to the March 2007 and March 2008 pages of your blog. The link wont work, but if you click on "Cached" instead, it will show you the page. Should work for other months.

It'll take a while to save it all, but at least it's there (for now!)

I'm not doing anything at the moment, so I'll save as much as I can, upload it to SendSpace, and PM you the link.

Date: 2008/04/28 08:53:31, Link
Author: don_quixote
All done. I've sent you the link.

I couldn't find feb 2007, oct 2007 and dec 2006 though. Anyone else have an idea where these might be found?

Date: 2008/04/28 13:11:55, Link
Author: don_quixote
LOL, that's great Quidam.

Hey, I just noticed that Abbie's new blog could do with some banner graphics behind the title. Is that something you'd be interested in?

Date: 2008/04/29 15:17:32, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote

Kristine, - So, ... If some ID Fanatic tries to blow up Amused Muse,  does Quidam get to put you into the Dominatrix outfit and show you beating up Dembski and Behe too?


[Don Quixote sets to work blowing up Amused Muse]

;-)

Date: 2008/05/01 18:18:06, Link
Author: don_quixote
Y'know, maybe WE should set up a journal of ID 'research'. We could fill it with subtly nonsensical crap, which I'm sure would fool most of the IDiots.

If the rubes accepted the faux papers as evidence of ID, Dumbski et al would be reluctant to discredit them, and then, at some point in the future (when the ID movement had well and truly attached their cart to it), we could expose the journal as a fake (thus sending the cart over the edge of the cliff)!

Muhahahahahahahahhhaahahahahahah!

It would be Sokal on a grand scale.

Date: 2008/05/04 06:51:07, Link
Author: don_quixote
Just watched it too. IMO, it wasn't half as good as the PBS documentary. Horizon has been heavy on style and light on substance for over fifteen years.

Date: 2008/05/11 09:13:05, Link
Author: don_quixote
Quote (didymos @ May 10 2008,21:30)
So, DI provides a link to part one of the Boteach video.  Part two is here.

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Great post, didymos.

This thread, on richarddawkins.net, documents the events and has some good discussion. Richard's letter is on page two.

The Rabbi has also debated with Hitchens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMYL8sF7bQ

I'd never heard of Boteach before this recent kerfuffle, and I have to say that I'm far from impressed. He's just another fundy creotard. I bet the UD crowd love him.

 

 

 

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