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| Date: 2006/08/22 10:51:38, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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I've learned quite a bit from this thread, including: it's a waste of time to try to get the delusional to acknowledge reality. If AFDave was standing next to an elephant, and he wanted to deny it's existence, there is nothing you could do or say that would make him change his mind; even if you stuck his head up the elephant's arse. Seriously guys, you've been astoundingly patient with this idiot, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sure that the time you spend trying to educate him could be used in a better way? And Dave, I really do pity you. Whether you realise it or not, you have problems, so get some help, yeah? Maybe a brain-scan; I've heard that tumors can cause serious mental retardation. I'm not trying to be hurtful, I'm just concerned for you, and those around you. |
| Date: 2006/08/22 17:21:51, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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steve_h has already mentioned it, but as a newcomer to the whole id-v-evolution thing, i found Dumbski's... "When I have a moment, I’ll be booting all three of you." ...an unbelievable response to such benign comments: 1 - "What does this have to do with Evolution or ID?" 2 - "Here we get another piece of positive evidence for ID. Thanks Dr.Dembski for your continuing high quality technical output. What would ID do without you?" 3 - "We con’t need marketing, we need research. What’s the deal here… But wait, the article seems to suggest that the parody clip was a huge success, because it spread virally. I’ve seen several marketing campaigns do well because of that. So are you instead suggesting that they are doing a good job spreading their drivel around?" That guy has a serious Napoleon complex! |
| Date: 2006/08/22 17:30:22, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| thinking about it, maybe he's less Napoleon, and more Anne Robinson (as in "The Weakest Link"). I mean, Napoleon had some successful campaigns, whereas Ms Robinson is just vile. (and i can imagine Dumbski dressing up as the latter when 'booting' people from his site. y'know: black gestapo-like dress and stilettos...) |
| Date: 2006/08/22 17:46:05, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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like two peas in a pod! |
| Date: 2006/08/22 18:57:44, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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"Wow. Take off her lipstick, and give her a $4 haircut and you've got Dembski." don't you mean: put on some lipstick and give him a mint julep and you've got a typical friday night at chez Dumbski. i wonder what Dense O'Leary comes as? |
| Date: 2006/08/22 19:27:55, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
 Dennis O'Leary as she is most fondly remembered, as Snaggletooth in Star Wars Episode IV. |
| Date: 2006/08/22 19:34:07, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Dennis O'Leary as she is most fondly remembered, as Snaggletooth in Star Wars Episode IV. |
| Date: 2006/08/23 06:56:41, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
...which just goes to show that arguing with Dave is as worthwhile as arguing with an schizophrenic alcoholic with advanced Alzheimers disease. Dave, see a shrink. |
| Date: 2006/08/24 05:13:11, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Hey, Deadman, any examples that could be forwarded to 'Fundies Say the Darndest Things'? Dave, you might win an AWARD!! |
| Date: 2006/08/24 05:18:05, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Oh, and Pandagon picked up on the PJ's this a few days ago. There are some good comments. |
| Date: 2006/08/24 07:10:27, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||||
Video of a watch evolving in the ocean... I'm... speechless! And these people are proud to be transferring the fruits of their ignorance onto kids? It's obvious that they don't understand evolution at all! Dave, you do realise that evolution is more than randomness, yeah? What am I saying; he believes that the world is 6000 years old, doesn't he. Mental ill health is sad, particularly when there are victims. Dave, I was going to congratulate you on your (well deserved) award, but now I'm just going to ask you if you are very, VERY ashamed of yourself? You certainly should be. |
| Date: 2006/08/24 16:09:44, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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truth machine quoted Richard Dawkins as saying "It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I’d rather not consider that)." Skeptic said "In my mind, being sceptical is just implementation of the idea that I know that I don't know". Skeptic, you have indicated that you don't believe in the ToE. You have admitted that you know that you don't know, and thus realise that you are ignorant on this subject. If someone had gained all the information that one normally needs to understand the ToE (and it's easy to acquire), and yet still 'didn't get it', would it not be unreasonable to suggest that they didn't have the ability to understand it, and were therefore 'stupid'? If they had demonstrated that they weren't generally stupid, would it not suggest that they were ignoring facts because of delusion (which one could term as insanity), or for 'wicked' purposes? I just can't see how you would have any problems with Dawkin's quote? |
| Date: 2006/08/25 02:28:36, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Skeptic, do you believe in gravity? How many decades worth of corroborating data do you need to believe in something? Do you believe in anything other that that which you have absolutely no proof for (i.e. God)? You do believe in God don't you? |
| Date: 2006/08/25 09:21:51, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
I think it's fair to assume that he meant 'Fundamentalist Christian'. Y'know the ones who deny reality. It kind of gets in the way of being a science teacher, just as being a schizophrenic does (no offence to schizophrenics ;-) Would you describe yourself as a Fundamentalist Christian, O'Brain? |
| Date: 2006/08/25 09:32:23, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I suspect that the probability of finding an intelligent, educated, sane, honest person who didn't believe in the ToE, is the same as the probability of finding a rabbit skeleton in Cambrian shales. |
| Date: 2006/08/25 09:51:20, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Good call! |
| Date: 2006/08/25 09:56:53, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Ahh... it's good to hear that you are not one of those deluded people who believe they have evidence that falsifies the ToE. Well done, young man! |
| Date: 2006/08/25 11:34:39, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
 "I would like to thank..." Sob, sob. Wail, wail. Ah, f*ck it. Thanks Steve  |
| Date: 2006/08/25 11:51:21, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
what do you mean 'photoshopping'?! if you don't believe she was in Star Wars IV, look it up on IMDB! She was perfectly cast because she didn't need any special effects make-up and the way she spoke sounded like she came from another planet!! (can i just check; libel laws are quite lax in the US, right?) |
| Date: 2006/08/25 12:15:55, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Well said, ScaryFacts. No-one knows everything, but as the information required to educate one's self (in a subject one is interested in) is out there and easy to find, there is no excuse for AFDave's (and others) behaviour. If I visited a forum about aircraft design (a subject I know nothing about) and tried to argue with the people on the forum (that actually design aircraft) that they didn't know what they were talking about, and that I had the ability to design 'planes better than them (whilst displaying my ignorance in the subject), I couldn't complain if they called me an idiot. However, if I took the time to educate myself first, and approached discussions with humility and respect, I suspect that the experts would patiently help me further my understanding. Dave... are you getting this?  |
| Date: 2006/08/25 12:30:17, Link 82.195.104.68 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Maybe he doesn't have any ears?  Skeptic, how's your hearing? |
| Date: 2006/08/25 14:04:08, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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ScaryFacts said "The motivation to investigate evolution is just not there. What good can come of it? What happens if you find out everything you’ve been taught is a lie?" You hit the nail on the head. For virtually every person who believes that the Bible is the literal truth, there is much more to loose than to gain by choosing to examine the creation story and the evidence for evolution. Most of these people happily dismiss the ToE and suffer no personal consequences. Other people (AFD, Skeptic, et al) seem to want to use the ToE in their own personal wrestling match; by not being open to the evidence, they can never loose. They walk away with their faith rejuvenated and their ignorance intact, though one has to wonder about the initial strength of their faith if they felt they had to manufacture such a charade. It takes a better sort of person to think "what I want to know is the truth". Once such an individual is aware that the basics of the ToE are as watertight as theories get, they have to look at what the Bible says in a different way. But, there is nothing they would have learnt that would disprove the existence of God, or of gods. IMHO, too may theists worship words without considering them. |
| Date: 2006/08/25 15:14:43, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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and there's always "people who cause you to doubt are being used as tools of the devil", or some such thing. ScaryFacts, now that you're 'on the outside looking in' so to speak, what do you now feel when you see irrational creationist propaganda being disseminated to people who are not in a position to doubt it? Do you ever try and correct their misapprehensions, and are there any techniques which are more successful than others? Or is it truly a case of "if they don't want to open their eyes, nobody can make them"? Personally, I worry about the children, because they are the most vulnerable. |
| Date: 2006/08/26 05:13:46, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Dave, wow, you've almost won! A few more Dave-logic punches and these evilutionists will be crying "no more, please, no more! Your superior intellect has smashed our unfounded beliefs in the religion of Darwinism. Please have mercy on us Dave, oh wise one. Lead us to salvation. Show us the way to our Lord, who we can now see is responsible for everything in the past, present and future. Forgive us Dave, we beseech you" And you will respond with "rise, oh children who have been misled. I am not angry with you. I am all merciful, because the truth is, I AM GOD." Then you will shine like the Sun, and everyone will worship and adore you. Or maybe not... |
| Date: 2006/08/26 05:45:34, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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You're right that AFDave seems to exhibit the symptoms of true believer syndrome. Religion is a little like alcohol, I think. An occasional drinker suffers no harm, and may actually benefit from it. But if one uses it to excess, to escape reality, one becomes addicted. I've experienced alcoholics and their warped logic, and I know that it's impossible to reason them out of their position. It requires a one-on-one approach, and a lot of love, patience, and psychology. It can be very frustrating. As for your four-step plan, I see the logic in it, but I think that the goal should be to wean them off thinking that the Bible is without error, rather than ridding them of God. I know some Christians who, for whatever reason, need to believe that a all-powerful, all-good, supernatural being is looking out for them. I suspect that they will never be able to give up their belief until they have something just as supportive to replace it with. And as it's not doing them (or others around them) any harm, I'm not convinced that it needs to be replaced. |
| Date: 2006/08/26 15:58:57, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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GoP, I'm looking forward to this debate. Personally, I think you may end up having to conclude that groups of people from any faith don't integrate into societies, if they are fundamentalists. Integration is about compromise. Moderates of any faith are more likely to integrate into any society (and indeed enhance it). Fundamentalists are more likely to want society to change for them, in a way that reflects their world-view, and thus conflicts arise. As you have decided to look at 'Western societies' in general, I'm interested to see what role the secularism of a country has to play. Good luck. |
| Date: 2006/08/27 11:18:54, Link 82.195.104.68 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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I can only see it being of relevance in a sociology degree course, as part of the 'culture wars'. so therefore, I would have to choose 'C'. ===== BTW, I finally got round to watching Dawkins' "The Root of All Evil" today. Some of the people he interviewed made my blood boil! Whilst not a perfect look at the effects of religion on society, I would certainly recommend it. The links to download it are: Part 1 315MB Part 2 318MB You'll need Quicktime or VLC installed to play them. |
| Date: 2006/08/29 13:49:25, Link 82.195.102.254 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Hmmm... I'm starting to wonder if Christians actually want Muslims to hate them. There's no better way of increasing a group's identity than by encouraging an opposing group to hate them. (The Oceana versus Eurasia/Eastasia thing. Osama bin Laden is very much the West's Emmanuel Goldstein, IMO.) If so, it actually makes a lot of sense for Christians to uncritically support Israel, especially if it generates the hatred that results in terrorism. Then they can say "look at what Muslims do. They're EVIL. And as they are attacking us, we must be GOOD. Thus, we must destroy them". The vilification of ALL things Islam is something I've heard from even the nicest Christians. It's as disturbing as talking to someone who you think is decent, and then they suddenly come out with the most blatant anti-semitism! Why do theists have so much hatred? Is it something to do with being less rational? |
| Date: 2006/08/30 05:17:01, Link 82.195.102.254 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Good question Faid. I can't wait for GoP's answer. Gop, I'm glad to have gotten your attention. Perhaps you would be so kind as to address a point Arden made a few days ago: "My prediction is that GoP would be much happier with hardcore Christian fundamentalists immigrating to this country than he would be with the most moderate Muslims." Would that be correct? |
| Date: 2006/08/30 06:32:12, Link 82.195.102.254 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Dave, if you get arrested because of the dodgy-dealings that went on in your church, I suggest you plead insanity. You can submit this thread as evidence. Then, when they send you to a psychiatric hospital, you might finally get the help you need. I would suggest that you just be honest, but you're so deluded that I don't think you know what honesty is any more. Very, very sad. I really hope your kids grow up to be better individuals, but I fear that you may have destroyed their chances. For that, you should be ashamed, but I know you wont be. {sigh} |
| Date: 2006/08/30 09:15:32, Link 82.195.102.254 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
i.e. Dave has come up with new ways to market lies to kids again. excuse me while I throw up. |
| Date: 2006/08/30 11:45:53, Link 82.195.102.254 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Thank you, GoP, for realising that you are a "fundy Christian" (and I don't mean that sarcastically). Now, would you mind responding to my previous comment: "I think you may end up having to conclude that groups of people from any faith don't integrate into societies, if they are fundamentalists. Integration is about compromise. Moderates of any faith are more likely to integrate into any society (and indeed enhance it). Fundamentalists are more likely to want society to change for them, in a way that reflects their world-view, and thus conflicts arise." Do you agree? |
| Date: 2006/09/01 09:41:49, Link 82.195.102.254 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
A Bugatti Veyron, surely! |
| Date: 2006/09/05 05:13:14, Link 82.195.102.254 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Maybe this should be posted on Conservative Christian fora, without identifying the nation? My bet would be that the US fundies will presume that GWB said this, and will voice their support. Then one can reveal that the policy they're cheering for was being instigated by the guy they hate the most. Tee hee! Of course, they still wont see that all fundies are as bad as each other. To do that, they would need functioning brains. |
| Date: 2006/09/07 10:11:17, Link 82.195.102.254 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
And don't forget Uncyclopedia! |
| Date: 2006/09/09 01:13:55, Link 82.195.102.254 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Talking of conspiracy theories, I just read this: False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks Against its Own Citizens I think the main problem with CT's, already mentioned above, is that the more people required to facilitate a 'false flag' operation, the less chance it has of succeeding, or staying secret. Presuming for a moment that Bush et al came up with the plan to attack their own country with commercial aircraft, what do you think would be the least amount of people that would have to be 'in on it'? Also, how would one ensure that such people didn't tell (or if they did tell, wouldn't be believed)? |
| Date: 2006/09/24 09:42:35, Link 82.195.103.219 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Here in Aberdeen (Scotland), several of the city-centre churches have been turned into bars and restaurants. Great buildings, but it's a bit weird to have Jebus looking down at you (from the stained-glass windows) when you're knocking back pints and chatting people up. In one, the urinal is actually the font! (okay, I made that last bit up) |
| Date: 2006/09/25 05:03:42, Link 82.195.103.219 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Didn't Christianity retard human knowledge for over a thousand years, i.e. the dark ages? Imagine where we'd be if humans had ceased being superstitious a few thousand years ago! |
| Date: 2006/10/17 08:29:27, Link 82.195.111.49 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I just wanted to bring this news story to everyone's attention:
I realise that most people who post here don't reveal too much about themselves, perhaps for fear of being targeted by loonies, but I thought it was of value to post this anyway. Keep safe. |
| Date: 2006/10/18 00:27:42, Link 82.195.111.49 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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dave, how do you explain the existence of trees like these: Prometheus Methuselah how did they survive your flood? |
| Date: 2006/10/18 10:52:38, Link 84.13.39.70 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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As a most-of-the-time-lurker, I would just like to thank you guys. Whenever I read these threads, I invariably learn something new (and I have a good chuckle too!. Of course, one has to have an open mind and humility in order to learn. Anyway... So, Dave. What about those 5000 year old trees? |
| Date: 2006/10/19 05:35:08, Link 84.13.39.70 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Dave, 5000 year old trees. How? |
| Date: 2006/10/20 00:54:02, Link 84.13.39.70 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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And I'm still waiting to hear how trees which began growing 5000 years ago, survived a catastrophic, global flood which happened 4500 years ago. Also, the scenario post-flood would be one of disjointed continents scoured of all life; bare rock, with no soil. How did Noah and his family re-establish the World's flora, and what did the animals from the ark do whilst the ecosystems were developing. And where did he get the soil from? And if the land-masses that we see today were elsewhere before the flood, wouldn't the biota be adapted to different environments. And why am I even bothering to ask these questions? Dave, it was check-mate a long while ago. You insisted on playing on, and now you have absolutely no pieces left. And yet you continue to want to play on. Do you realise how stupid this makes you look? And jujuquisp, I suspect that you're a troll, but if not, how would YOU answer my questions? |
| Date: 2006/10/20 02:18:28, Link 84.13.39.70 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Holy hothouses, Batman!  |
| Date: 2006/10/21 13:22:47, Link 89.241.183.206 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Lets face it, Dave is never going to learn anything. I think there is a greater chance of teaching Jeremy, here, to be proficient at calculus. He already knows basic maths!  Jeremy 1 Dave 0 |
| Date: 2006/10/24 07:36:58, Link 89.241.183.206 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I've not heard of the latter, but I do remember overindulging in Thunderbird in my teens. I don't know if they still sell it in the UK, though. +++++++ I just saw this: Amazon river 'switched direction' Explanation please, Dave. |
| Date: 2006/10/29 04:16:03, Link 89.241.99.50 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I would LOVE to hear what Dave has to say on this subject! Anyone else? |
| Date: 2006/11/08 09:07:33, Link 84.13.133.180 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
(emphasis mine) Dave, I admit I'm too lazy, in the same way that I'm too lazy to teach a geranium maths. You have demonstrated that you will never learn; that indeed you don't want to learn. I admire the patience of Mike, Deadman and Jon Fleming. You guys deserve a medal! |
| Date: 2006/11/09 04:45:02, Link 84.13.133.180 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Medals for all the Davesmackers. Hey, fundiesmacking should be an Olympic sport! |
| Date: 2006/11/10 06:10:05, Link 84.13.133.180 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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"Scientists have unravelled the genetic code of the sea urchin, an animal whose evolutionary lineage may be key to understanding the relationship of humans and other vertebrates to invertebrates." Read More |
| Date: 2006/11/15 08:47:36, Link 84.13.156.247 |
| Author: don_quixote |
just for clarity: |
| Date: 2006/12/21 05:57:19, Link 84.13.149.229 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
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Is he still at it?! I found this comment in the Pharyngula archive, and it seemed relevant:
Dave is a Debate-Bot from a parallel universe! (or maybe he's the afore-mentioned Susan?) |
| Date: 2007/01/22 15:05:35, Link 89.242.210.227 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Oh, dear. This looks as if it's going to be another car-crash. I should look away, but..... nah, can't resist. Avocationist, It would be great if you could bring something new to the table, but I suspect you are going to give us the same old canards we've all heard before. PROVE ME WRONG! In order to help you, I strongly suggest that before you post your comments, you consult this easy to navigate list of creo/ID arguments, and check that your's hasn't already been addressed. It will save everyone's time, and may help prevent you from making a complete fool of yourself. As the great Mark Twain once said: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Bon chance! |
| Date: 2007/01/23 16:38:25, Link 89.240.92.93 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Avocationist, I imagine that the flaming you're getting does seem a little harsh, but you must understand that the AtBC regulars have had their patience pushed to the limit by people who come along making claims they cannot support (see AFDave's thread). We don't ask for much; we just ask that you tell us what your theory of I.D. is. You see, if you claim that I.D. is a real scientific theory, but then can't tell us what you think the theory is, it doesn't reflect very well on you, does it? So please, tell us what you think the theory of I.D. is.  BTW, to avoid any unintended offence, do we refer to you as he or she? If you've already said, I apologise for asking again. |
| Date: 2007/01/23 19:53:15, Link 89.240.139.97 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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"I’m using the Judge Jones definition of religion to classify atheism as a religion. Near as I can tell his definition is that if people who talk about religion a lot have other ideas their other ideas must be religious ideas. I hear atheists talking about a religion a lot. Take Richard Dawkins for instance. A very famous atheist and all he seems to do is talk about religion." --- Scrot That has to be the most idiotic thing I've heard anyone say in a long while..... and I've been following AFDave's threads! DaveScrotum really is astoundingly dumb. |
| Date: 2007/01/24 07:06:29, Link 89.240.139.97 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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{at a party} Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that? Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design. Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why? ...... come on Avo, keep me interested and I might buy you a drink ! |
| Date: 2007/01/24 10:54:53, Link 89.242.41.71 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Sheesh, I only asked you to expand your theory a bit because I was interested in hearing more. Why can't you tell me which "features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design", and why? That is what you state your theory of I.D. to be, isn't it? What would you think of someone who said they believed in the veracity of a scientific theory, but then couldn't tell you anything more about it? |
| Date: 2007/01/24 11:22:07, Link 89.242.41.71 | ||||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||||
Ahh yes, falsification. Avo, if (like Dembski) you don't understand this term, then you might be interested in reading this thread at richarddawkins.net, in which AFDave has the concept of falsifiability explained to him in several dozen ways. He still doesn't get it of course, but I'm sure you will, because you are brighter than him, right? |
| Date: 2007/01/24 14:23:12, Link 89.242.41.71 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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{at a party} Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that? Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design. Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why? Avo: Are you completely unaquainted with the literature? What have you read? Me: I've never heard of it before, but you seem to think it explains natural phenomena well. I was just wondering which features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design? [throw me a frickin' bone here!] |
| Date: 2007/01/25 07:57:21, Link 84.13.134.215 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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{at a party} Me: So, the theory of I.D., eh? What do you mean by that? Avo: The theory of ID states that certain features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design. Me: Fascinating! Which ones? And why? Avo: Are you completely unaquainted with the literature? What have you read? Me: I've never heard of it before, but you seem to think it explains natural phenomena well. I was just wondering which features of biological organisms and of the universe are best explained as being the result of intelligent design? Avo: I am not sure why my giving an overview of what sorts of articles and books have influenced me is so illegitimate. Me: I'm wasn't asking you for a reading list, just for some examples. Avo: I think there are many IC systems. Blood clotting is a good one, the flagellum, the cell itself, perhaps DNA/RNA. Me: Okay, lets take blood clotting, as you seem to think it's a "good one". Why is blood clotting best explained as being the result of intelligent design? [Cedric comes along with a Martini and some nibbles and shows Avo to a comfy sofa] Me: Hey! What the...? [Don follows them] Cedric: So...this very vague rundown of yours...Sound absolutely FASCINATING!!! Do tell me about all about this new scientific theory of ID. Why, there was a news item about it on FoxNews only just last week! As it happens, I remember a few of my science classes from high school so, go ahead and and hit me with what you've got. I'm all ears. ======== Well then Avo, you now have some cheesy snacks (don't tell DaveScot! ), a comfortable chair and the complete attention of two guys. Take it away!Edit: damned emoticons! |
| Date: 2007/01/25 09:12:58, Link 84.13.134.215 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Avo said:
The point you should bear in mind is that a scientific theory/hypothesis has to be falsifiable. I.D. isn't, therefore it's not science. AFDave has had this explained to him over the course of almost 500 comments at richarddawkins.net's forum. He still doesn't get it. He probably never will. I just hope that you're a little bit brighter that him, I really do. |
| Date: 2007/01/25 17:29:51, Link 84.13.134.215 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I didn't see that one coming! Did anyone else have to read it three times? Avo, dare I ask, why do you have this belief? |
| Date: 2007/01/26 07:51:58, Link 84.13.134.215 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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{At the party. Everyone is staring open mouthed at Avo. The only sound is a faint, disembodied "BWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA", which seems to be coming from miles away} Me: Err.. Avo, you've got a bit of.... on your.... just there.... he11, let me. {Don wipes the mouth-froth from Avo's chin with a handkerchief} Me: Cedric, what the feck was that drink you just gave her? An LSD Martini? {Don backs away from Avo, slowly} Me: I have to go over here now. Bye. ============== Darth Robo said "I just wish I had a crate of beer. Guess I'll have to settle for a virtual one." Hey, if you can imagine it, it's real! Right, Avo? AFDave? Anyone? |
| Date: 2007/01/27 05:11:30, Link 84.13.134.215 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Cornelius, please learn how to use blockquotes. Thanks. PS: learn some science too. |
| Date: 2007/01/31 05:44:49, Link 84.13.39.88 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| Very well said, Louis! |
| Date: 2007/01/31 05:58:22, Link 84.13.39.88 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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GoP, Yeah, Ligers are scary creatures! Phonon, Are you sure that final picture of yours contains a puppy? Could be a chameleon pretending to be a puppy. Personally, my favourite animal is the invisible pink unicorn (pic below). . |
| Date: 2007/02/04 19:15:03, Link 89.240.138.163 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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"Is intelligent design falsifiable? Is Darwinism falsifiable? Yes to the first question, no to the second." --- Avo Calling AFDave! (Are you related?) |
| Date: 2007/02/23 05:10:54, Link 80.177.220.204 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Just checked out www.idarts.org and I have to say that it was 100 times worse than I had imagined. Why is it that contemporary Christian art (whatever the medium) is invariably so poor? And why the #### are they always trying to sell stuff?? |
| Date: 2007/03/01 09:16:40, Link 89.241.194.55 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| Found a torrent for Idiocracy at thepiratebay. It really does seem to divide opinion! |
| Date: 2007/03/01 18:40:43, Link 89.243.11.157 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| Point taken, Ichthyic. That was indeed inconsiderate of me. |
| Date: 2007/03/04 15:39:45, Link 89.240.208.29 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Download a whole website you say? HTTrack is a great, free program. Spiderzilla is a Firefox extension, based on HTTrack, which does the same thing. They are both feature-rich, but you shouldn't need to alter the settings. I'm just mirroring ISCID now (with Spiderzilla and default settings). Seems to be working okay. |
| Date: 2007/03/06 10:57:15, Link 84.13.155.27 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| There are some rather good descriptions of Ann Coulter at Urban Dictionary. |
| Date: 2007/05/27 10:08:59, Link 89.241.52.43 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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For those interested, here is Shi's Blogger profile*, and here is his blog. He does indeed seem to be a practicing scientist, at Burnham Institute for Medical Research! I wonder what his employers would think of this 'tard? *found via JAD's 'blog'. (warning the 800+ comments on that link might make your browser crash) |
| Date: 2007/05/27 11:02:30, Link 89.241.52.43 | ||||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||||
"Designs" describes himself thusly:
I would say it's a damned good match. |
| Date: 2007/05/27 11:14:43, Link 89.241.52.43 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
Also amusing is that on slpage's blog, Shi says:
but on this one says:
So then Shi, no religious agenda at all? |
| Date: 2007/05/27 11:39:27, Link 89.241.52.43 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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And finally, his publication record is not very impressive. 23 papers since 1996 1 as first author 2 as sole author (both review papers) no publications since 2005 On the plus side, if the pic on his BIMR page is current, he does look good for his age!  Shi, what's ya secret? |
| Date: 2007/06/11 21:08:42, Link 89.242.200.133 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Oh, boy. Tell me about it. I've been commenting there for the past few months, and it's got to the stage where I've pretty much had enough. The final straw was this thread by Bodhi: http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16655 RD.net calls itself a "clear-thinking oasis", but not only do they allow people like Bodhi to post brainless drivel, but the moderators threaten anyone who understandably ridicules such tard with a ban! They allow certifiable morons to shit in the water source and defile the coconuts, rather than telling them to disappear back into the desert. Some oasis. Although I don't comment here very often, I do read the threads most days, and I have to say, Wes and Steve's moderation is damned good. And not only is this a great oasis of reasoned thought, but also of great humour. Keep it up guys. It's very much appreciated. |
| Date: 2007/06/15 09:30:02, Link 89.242.200.133 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Gah! I'll be picking irony-meter shrapnel out of me for the next week! |
| Date: 2007/06/24 17:34:35, Link 89.243.168.17 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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I think Mike PSS, Louis, and the other Brits here will appreciate it the most, but I personally think this sums up the creo-mind wonderfully: From Father Ted: Good Luck, Father Ted |
| Date: 2007/07/04 14:11:17, Link 89.243.162.155 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Here's the Olbermann special opinion: You ceased to be the President of the United States It's stunning! |
| Date: 2007/08/16 11:20:20, Link 84.13.117.179 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
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Great thread Louis! Skeptic, I couldn't let this one go by:
That would be Takotsubo cardiomyopathy. |
| Date: 2008/04/07 21:34:03, Link 84.13.116.153 |
| Author: don_quixote |
Hi Kevin! As you will probably want to publish a book to accompany the film, I took the liberty of doing the front cover for you. From what I've heard of the movie so far, I think it should be eminently suitable... |
| Date: 2008/04/09 17:21:37, Link 84.13.116.153 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Ironically, that bike is powered by Harley Davidson's Evolution engine. |
| Date: 2008/04/16 18:21:54, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
In their list of favourable quotes, they forgot:
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| Date: 2008/04/18 10:00:21, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
For Mrs Scott, even worse than the fleas was that nine months later, Dave 'Wolfboy' Scott was born. |
| Date: 2008/04/19 04:55:34, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I always wondered where former Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf (Comical Ali/Baghdad Bob) ended up working. |
| Date: 2008/04/19 14:17:19, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it? FtK exhibits a textbook case of true believer syndrome, and also has incurable confirmation bias. |
| Date: 2008/04/20 16:03:05, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| Francis Collins is a biologist. He knows that snakes don't have vocal cords. If he believes in a talking snake because of the Bible, that's petty dumb. |
| Date: 2008/04/21 04:29:41, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Kevin Miller has just popped up on Shifting Baselines.
Is that true? Aren't there some unanswered questions for him? Edited to add: Talking of ScienceBlogs, Chris Mooney at The Intersection is unashamedly calling Expelled a success! He's obviously looking to get on UD, like his mate, Matt "haven't I got fabulous hair" Nisbet, did. |
| Date: 2008/04/21 05:53:14, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||
I've just sent him an email. It'll be interesting to see what the response will be. |
| Date: 2008/04/21 10:17:10, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Kristine wrote "If you look at their goal of 2-3 million, then yes, Expelled is a success." But as their stated goal was 12-15 million, I think most people would agree that they failed miserably. Oh, and Chris Mooney is whining about being persecuted again. Film at ten. |
| Date: 2008/04/21 10:29:10, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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I can just imagine Ben Stein, in the not too distant future, pan-handling in LA, shouting "EVILUTION TRIED TO KILL MY DAD!!!" :D |
| Date: 2008/04/21 11:08:09, Link 78.144.29.239 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
I think that it's going to be of great use to us. The whole affair demonstrates how vacuous ID is, and how duplicitous its proponants are. Can you imagine if they had made an honest, academically thorough film instead? Oh, hang on a minute; then they wouldn't be psuedo-scientists would they? |
| Date: 2008/04/21 15:26:19, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
This is precious: "Expelled Flops at Box Office" says Ed Brayton "Expelled a Box Office Success" says Chris C. Mooney "I am Labeled a "Creationist Apologist" says Chris C. Mooney ...and he wonders why? |
| Date: 2008/04/22 05:34:48, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| (posted this here by mistake) |
| Date: 2008/04/22 06:23:43, Link 78.144.29.239 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Chris Mooney has been wondering why people have accused him of creationist apologetics. Do you think that now his (and Randy's) posts have appeared on Uncommon Descent he will get the message? Chris Mooney - Shaken (Not Stirred) by Expelled |
| Date: 2008/04/23 16:37:34, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Chris has finally lost the plot: Paranoid delusions at The Intersection |
| Date: 2008/04/24 15:09:38, Link 78.150.240.218 | ||||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||||
From Chris Mooney's review of Expelled: "Since there are certain things you cannot really say on ScienceBlogs any longer..." Later... "UPDATE: The Intersection has gone back to moderating all comments." So, it seems that the "things you cannot really say" are anything that is critical of Chris Mooney's opinions. It's like he's become possessed by FtK. |
| Date: 2008/04/25 17:43:22, Link 78.150.240.218 | ||||||||
| Author: don_quixote | ||||||||
Yeah, me too. What do you think is going on? |
| Date: 2008/04/26 07:50:44, Link 78.150.240.218 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Is this the look he was aiming for...  |
| Date: 2008/04/28 07:38:57, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Yahoo has some of your site cached. Don't know how long it's going to last, though. |
| Date: 2008/04/28 07:45:34, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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WooHoo! All praise Yahoo!! If you search for (for instance) "ERV March" it will give you the link to the March 2007 and March 2008 pages of your blog. The link wont work, but if you click on "Cached" instead, it will show you the page. Should work for other months. It'll take a while to save it all, but at least it's there (for now!) I'm not doing anything at the moment, so I'll save as much as I can, upload it to SendSpace, and PM you the link. |
| Date: 2008/04/28 08:53:31, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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All done. I've sent you the link. I couldn't find feb 2007, oct 2007 and dec 2006 though. Anyone else have an idea where these might be found? |
| Date: 2008/04/28 13:11:55, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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LOL, that's great Quidam. Hey, I just noticed that Abbie's new blog could do with some banner graphics behind the title. Is that something you'd be interested in? |
| Date: 2008/04/29 15:17:32, Link 78.150.240.218 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
[Don Quixote sets to work blowing up Amused Muse] ;-) |
| Date: 2008/05/01 18:18:06, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
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Y'know, maybe WE should set up a journal of ID 'research'. We could fill it with subtly nonsensical crap, which I'm sure would fool most of the IDiots. If the rubes accepted the faux papers as evidence of ID, Dumbski et al would be reluctant to discredit them, and then, at some point in the future (when the ID movement had well and truly attached their cart to it), we could expose the journal as a fake (thus sending the cart over the edge of the cliff)! Muhahahahahahahahhhaahahahahahah! It would be Sokal on a grand scale. |
| Date: 2008/05/04 06:51:07, Link 78.150.240.218 |
| Author: don_quixote |
| Just watched it too. IMO, it wasn't half as good as the PBS documentary. Horizon has been heavy on style and light on substance for over fifteen years. |
| Date: 2008/05/11 09:13:05, Link 78.150.240.218 | ||
| Author: don_quixote | ||
Great post, didymos. This thread, on richarddawkins.net, documents the events and has some good discussion. Richard's letter is on page two. The Rabbi has also debated with Hitchens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnMYL8sF7bQ I'd never heard of Boteach before this recent kerfuffle, and I have to say that I'm far from impressed. He's just another fundy creotard. I bet the UD crowd love him. |
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