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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2006,22:28   

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Park owner pleads not guilty to tax fraud

Evangelist says he's owned by God

Michael Stewart
@PensacolaNewsJournal.com

Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind pleaded not guilty Monday to a 58-count federal indictment after saying he did not recognize the government's right to try him on tax-fraud charges.

Hovind, who calls himself "Dr. Dino," owns Dinosaur Adventure Land at 5800 N. Palafox St., Pensacola, a creationist theme park dedicated to debunking evolution.

For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000 reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.

Hovind's attorney, Assistant Public Defender Kafahni Nkrumah, told U.S. Magistrate Judge Miles Davis at a hearing Monday that his client did not want to enter a plea because he does not believe the United States, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office "have jurisdiction in this matter."

When pressed by Davis to enter a plea of either guilty or not guilty, Hovind said he wished to enter a plea of "subornation of false muster."

"Subornation," according to Webster's Dictionary, means instigating another to do something illegal. "Muster" is an assembly, often for inspection or roll call.

When pressed by Davis, Hovind said he was entering a not guilty plea "under duress."

Hovind's wife, Jo, who is charged in 44 counts along with her husband, also pleaded not guilty. Her co-appointed attorney, Ken Ridlehoover, said he had just met her 15 minutes before the hearing so hadn't had time to discuss the case with her.

When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."


Read it here.

   
Renier



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,00:56   

Hovind is arogant and simply a dishonest liar. As Lenny says, it seems like Ceaser will be getting his chunk after all. However, I am sure the fundies will love him for his "boldness"...

  
GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,01:01   

He's trying the same tactic that another group tried when they felt like not paying their taxes.  It's all for money.

  
Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,01:05   

Seems like Hovind is not alone.

  
Flint



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,03:34   

If these were fresh claims, we could hope that Hovind would be sentenced to medical help for mental incompetence, until such time as he recovered his sanity. But sadly, these are all tired claims raised many times before. So Hovind isn't risking permanent nuthouse assignment, but only a few counts of contempt. What's interesting is that his attorney is also risking a contempt charge. But given what Hovind (er, that is, God) is able to pay in legal fees, the attorney probably doesn't much care...

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,04:00   

Can you plead Stupid?

   
improvius



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,04:36   

Hovind is 100% con artist.  I think a lot of you are giving him way too much credit.  It seems pretty clear to me that he's grandstanding for the sake of his "followers".  If he keeps up the act, no matter what else happens, he'll ALWAYS have supporters (or customers or marks or whatever you want to call them).  But if he even begins to acknowledge that he might possibly have knowingly done something wrong, the con is up.  His problem was that he bought into his own crap a little too much and got greedy.  He was too smug.  He thought he could con the government.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,04:37   

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Can you plead Stupid?

lol. Short and funny. Nice one.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,04:43   

Seriously, I'd try, if I were his lawyer.

"Your Honor, my client is dumb as an anvil. He can't tell left from right or up from down. Can you cut a brotha some slack?"

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: July 18 2006,04:49   

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For years, he has claimed that he is employed by God and has no income or property because everything he owns belongs to God. He believes man and dinosaurs inhabited the earth together and has offered a $250,000 reward to anyone who can offer him satisfactory proof of evolution.

When asked where he lived, Kent Hovind replied, "I live in the church of Jesus Christ, which is located all over the world. I have no residence."

JC and his Dad must own the Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary too, so when Hovind gets assigned his ‘room’ there, he’ll still be living in God's place.   ;)

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,13:45   

Kent and Jo Hovind Found Guilty

The jury went out for three hours, and came back with a "guilty" verdict for both Kent and Jo Hovind. Kent could get as much as 288 years; Jo could get up to 245 years.

The defense had declined to put the Hovinds on the stand and called no other witnesses. I don't think that I understand that strategy.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Nov. 02 2006,21:50

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,14:53   

Just posted the following at Hovind's blog:

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Brother Hovind,

Congratulations on this opportunity to begin your prison ministry.

The Lord works in mysterious ways!

Regards,
Keith


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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,14:53   

That probably was the best strategy. The other option would be to get employees on the stand who only would have ended up proving they were indeed employees. An having Hovind testify would probably only make things worse. Presumably the lawyers advice was to go for some kind of plea bargain but Hovind refused, so the only way they could have actualyl made a positive case was to get people to lie for them.

  
mcc



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,19:49   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 02 2006,19:45)
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The defense had declined to put the Hovinds on the stand and called no other witnesses. I don't think that I understand that strategy.

The only explanations for the strategy I can think of are ones I don't like, like "they are blowing off this trial and aiming for the appeal" or "they want to spend the next 20 years talking about how the IRS oppressed them".

  
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,23:00   

Keiths, you are very funny, and possibly a bit evil.  Has anyone replied to your post on Hovinds blog?

  
Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,23:17   

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"they want to spend the next 20 years talking about how the IRS oppressed them"

Federal penitentiary isn't much of a bully pulpit.

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ScaryFacts



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2006,23:25   

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Federal penitentiary isn't much of a bully pulpit.

Maybe he's the Nelson Mandella of Creationists?

   
deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2006,07:53   

I know I shouldn't take pleasure in the misfortunes of others, but the schadenfreude that swept over me when I first saw this was ...well, h3ll, it's a direct result of how Hovind has behaved over the years.
He'll appeal, eventually pay restitution and a fine and get some of his properties sold off (heh, think of his legal fees), then MAYBE the court will make an example of him as a cautionary tale and put him in a federal pen for a few years...say 5-8 tops, more likely 3-5.

California allows for parole after serving a little over half the sentence, but the Feds don't have parole (since 1987), they have "good time," meaning so long as you keep your nose clean and out of additional violations of laws and penitentiary rules, you get 54 days per year cut from your sentence, maximum. This means you serve about 85% of the original sentence.

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2006,08:23   

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Kent could get as much as 288 years; Jo could get up to 245 years.

Wha..? For a tax-fraud? :O
Just to be sure I read this correctly, does this means prison for life?

(I'm not american, you know.)

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2006,08:46   

Quote (jeannot @ Nov. 03 2006,14:23)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 02 2006,19:45)
Kent could get as much as 288 years; Jo could get up to 245 years.

Wha..? For a tax-fraud? :O
Just to be sure I read this correctly, does this means prison for life?

(I'm not american, you know.)

That's the maximum sentence that Hovind could get.  In all likelihood, he (they) won't get anywhere near that many years.

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deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2006,09:04   

I'm going to revise my minimum sentence for Hovind : 5 years, not 3. This is based on looking at some recent cases like the Minnesota tax protestors http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/1996/April96/158.txt.htm
and a husband-and-wife team that recently got 156 and 60 months, respectively: http://www.usdoj.gov/tax/txdv05445.htm

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