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Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,02:06    I still can't help succumbing to JAD addiction, and have been posting at ISCID, much to his annoyance. I noticed a few odd things: 1) I was able to re-register under a pseudonym despite having been banned 2) I could post without restraint 3) The option to start new threads was disabled for all posters (on an admittedly small sample size: JAD and Martin) 4) Loads of spam in the last place one could start new topics. (The whole section has now disappeared) 5) A post from JAD complaining that Martin could no longer post there 6) I can't post there, now. 7) "We are not accepting new registrations at this time." 8) Absolutely no meaningful contribution from any ID proponent for a considerable time. I first heard of ID about two and a half years ago from a proponent in a forum unrelated to ID or evo, and predicted that ID would become history within 5 years. This apparent mothballing of ISCID seems consistent with the general downward slide into obscurity.

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,02:22    All science so far! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,02:55    My posting rights have also been disabled. I only went there to spell JAD's name wrong anyway, so no big deal, but it was the last gasp for "serious" ID crowd. Where will they go to discuss matters of great import to ID now? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,02:59    Why did not they think of hosting the Informatics Lab site there? It would have save a little hassle.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,03:00    Quote (Alan Fox @ Oct. 08 2007,02:59) Why did not they think of hosting the Informatics Lab site there? It would have save a little hassle. I wonder how FTK will find a way to blame "darwinists" for ISCID closing down their own forum? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,05:41    The "Evolutionary Informatics Lab" appears to be Dembski's next ISCID: all big talk and vaporware. So far, it is conforming to pattern. - Created ex nihilo - Location set so as to borrow undeserved prestige - Pronouncements made extolling its significance Of course, the EIL early on actually made a checkable claim, and promptly took down one out of three essays when the claim did not check out. This may bring home to Dembski and Co. that IDC "works" better when kept to uncheckable blather. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,12:12    Quote (Alan Fox @ Oct. 08 2007,00:59) Why did not they think of hosting the Informatics Lab site there? It would have save a little hassle. Hassle is what these people live for. It's all they've got. -------------- -Tom Ames

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,21:59    The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure.

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,22:23    Re "I still can't help succumbing to JAD addiction, and have been posting at ISCID..." Try to find a support group for that... Henry

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,22:54    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2007,19:59) The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure. And porn spam. Don't forget the porn spam. -------------- -Tom Ames

Henry J Posts: 5760 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,23:28    Re "And porn spam. Don't forget the porn spam." How could we; the AE board used to get a lot of that. Henry

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2007,23:50    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 08 2007,21:28) Re "And porn spam. Don't forget the porn spam." How could we; the AE board used to get a lot of that. Henry Someone must have cleaned house, because a week ago there were  forums that were nothing but porn spam for the last two years. (It's the equivalent of cobwebs, I guess.) -------------- -Tom Ames

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2007,08:38    Quote (Tom Ames @ Oct. 08 2007,23:50) Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 08 2007,21:28) Re "And porn spam. Don't forget the porn spam." How could we; the AE board used to get a lot of that. Henry Someone must have cleaned house, because a week ago there were  forums that were nothing but porn spam for the last two years. (It's the equivalent of cobwebs, I guess.) JAD obviously reads this forum as he's noticed that this thread exists. He's gloating about the fact me and Alan have been "banned" and is now reduced to talking to himself about this thread! -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2007,10:25    He's flipped. I laughed at him talking to himself and DaveTard on the "expelled the movie" website. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Alan Fox Posts: 1552 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,09:46    Deleted

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,10:05    I love that JAD's almost the sole inhabitant of ISCID's forums. What a complete, humiliating failure that organization is. Looking at PCID's webpage makes me laugh out loud.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,10:20    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 10 2007,10:05) I love that JAD's almost the sole inhabitant of ISCID's forums. What a complete, humiliating failure that organization is. Looking at PCID's webpage makes me laugh out loud. Oh yeah, Mr Steve "Laugh At PCID" Story? Laugh at this: (I like the "Readership  Growth" number...) Are these the numbers of a dead publication?  Huh? What?  Make things up?  Pull numbers from Uranus? Facts About PCID (Directly From their Website) Each issue of PCID has a readership of approximately 2300 unique visitors Each issue of PCID generates approximately 20,000 page views in the first three months Each issue of PCID will have between eight and twelve pages of advertising space Because PCID is free, the readership is larger than subscription based models PCID's readership is growing at a rate of 250% per issue. On our sponsorship model, your advertising investment increases at the same rate with no additional cost to you. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,17:24    Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 10 2007,11:20) Each issue of PCID generates approximately 20,000 page views in the first three months Wow. That's like 220 page views a day. That's like 2 every 15 minutes. Quote After the Bar Closes... A place to continue discussions once threads are closed on the Panda's Thumb. Forum Led by: stevestory User(s) active in this forum : 43 951 72028 Oct. 10 2007,18:09 In: UnReasonable Kansans t... By: blipey 60 user(s) active in the past 15 minutes 37 guests, 21 Public Members and 2 Anonymous Members   [ View Complete List ] >stevestory >Arden Chatfield >Erasmus, FCD >Dazza McTrazza >Albatrossity2 >blipey >Reluctant Cannibal >JonF >C.J.O'Brien >Rob >creeky belly >BWE >oldmanintheskydidntdoit >Henry J >Bebbo >argystokes >JohnW >Freelurker >tora bora >dhogaza >Doc Bill

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,17:50    Quote Donations   ISCID is a 501©(3) non-profit organization, which is sustained by the gifts of its friends and patrons. In order to maintain the high-quality services, programs and events that ISCID currently provides, we encourage you to make a tax-exempt donation. If you'd like to send in your donation by check, please mail it to our this address. Below, we have listed suggested donation amounts and corresponding levels of membership:    * Regular Membership - $45-$99    * Sustaining Membership - $100-$249    * Friend - $250 - $499    * Patron - $500 - $999    * Founder - $1000 and above    * Lifetime Benefactor - $5000 and above (includes a lifetime membership) Well, we're a hundred times more active than they are. Anybody wants to become a Lifetime Benefactor of After the Bar Closes, contact me about where to send the $5,000. And don't tell Wes. He's, uh, too busy.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,18:01    Quote Donations   ISCID is a 501©(3) non-profit organization, which is sustained by the gifts of its friends and patrons. In order to maintain the high-quality services, programs and events that ISCID currently provides, we encourage you to make a tax-exempt donation. If you'd like to send in your donation by check, please mail it to our this address. Below, we have listed suggested donation amounts and corresponding levels of membership:   * Regular Membership - $45-$99   * Sustaining Membership - $100-$249   * Friend - $250 - $499   * Patron - $500 - $999   * Founder - $1000 and above   * Lifetime Benefactor - $5000 and above (includes a lifetime membership) My italics.  No need for further comment. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,18:24    Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 10 2007,18:01) Quote Donations   ISCID is a 501©(3) non-profit organization, which is sustained by the gifts of its friends and patrons. In order to maintain the high-quality services, programs and events that ISCID currently provides, we encourage you to make a tax-exempt donation. If you'd like to send in your donation by check, please mail it to our this address. Below, we have listed suggested donation amounts and corresponding levels of membership:   * Regular Membership - $45-$99   * Sustaining Membership - $100-$249   * Friend - $250 - $499   * Patron - $500 - $999   * Founder - $1000 and above   * Lifetime Benefactor - $5000 and above (includes a lifetime membership) My italics.  No need for further comment. Someone who has more money than I do, ought to send them a check just to see if they'll cash it. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4966 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,18:39    "Them" is Dembski. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2007,18:53    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 10 2007,18:39) "Them" is Dembski. Of course.  Look at it this way. There has been alot of commentary about Dembski only being in it for the money.  This would be a chance to test the hypothesis. It's science!   -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Dr.GH Posts: 2324 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2007,00:38    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 08 2007,03:41) - Location set so as to borrow undeserved prestige - Pronouncements made extolling its significance Ain't that the truth.  I remember Dembski's clowns chanting "Princeton" over and over. I think that a Waco Barbeque joint is plenty authentic.  A Princeton PO Box is a sham.  His Baylor website was a sham even Baylor couldn't stomach. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

VMartin Posts: 525 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,12:37    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2007,21:59) The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure. Neverthenless it's you who is a nut. -------------- I could not answer, but should maintain my ground.- Charles Darwin

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,12:48    Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 12 2007,12:37) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2007,21:59) The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure. Neverthenless it's you who is a nut. "I know you are -- but what am *I*?" Bravo, Marty. John's very proud. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,13:55    Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 12 2007,12:37) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2007,21:59) The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure. Neverthenless it's you who is a nut. I is a nut?

VMartin Posts: 525 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,15:26    I am unable to post at ISCID for several days.  Only John has access there. I don't know what's going on. I only hope  John will be able to continue. His critic of neodarwinian fancies about natural selection is unique. I I have great pleasure in reading his posts. -------------- I could not answer, but should maintain my ground.- Charles Darwin

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,15:31    Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 12 2007,21:26) I am unable to post at ISCID for several days.  Only John has access there. I don't know what's going on. I only hope  John will be able to continue. His critic of neodarwinian fancies about natural selection is unique. I I have great pleasure in reading his posts. You don't say? -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,15:58    Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 12 2007,15:26) I am unable to post at ISCID for several days.  Only John has access there. I don't know what's going on. I only hope  John will be able to continue. His critic of neodarwinian fancies about natural selection is unique. I I have great pleasure in reading his posts. "Um, if you did it, sir?" -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 12 2007,16:12    Quote (jeannot @ Oct. 12 2007,13:55) Quote (VMartin @ Oct. 12 2007,12:37) Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2007,21:59) The ISCID was going to be an international organization for design scholars, with conferences, seminars, and a journal for ID papers. It is now a wasteland. No conferences, seminars, or papers in the journal. Nothing left but a message board where an old nut named Davison babbles. Why wouldn't you shut it down. It's a museum of failure. Neverthenless it's you who is a nut. I is a nut? Oui, vous est.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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