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Jason Spaceman



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2006,23:22   

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If you have faith in God as the Creator, you can’t embrace Darwinism too, despite what some scientists claim.

By David Klinghoffer

Life would be less stressful if we didn’t have to make so many tough choices. For example, you love eating pizza, but you also value keeping your arteries unblocked. You must choose--though lots of us refuse to do so, the result being arteriosclerosis.

Sometimes the choice is between beliefs. When it comes to Darwinian evolution and the challenge it presents to belief in God, a lot of thoughtful men and women seem intent on not facing up to a tough but necessary choice, between Darwin and God.

Thus, over on The New York Times bestseller list is The Language of God, a book by evangelical Christian and genome scientist Francis Collins. He cheers for Darwin, both in his book and in an interview with Beliefnet, while recounting sticky-sweet memories of how he accepted Jesus on a nature hike.

Meanwhile, here at Beliefnet, Rabbi Natan Slifkin, author of "The Challenge of Creation: Judaism’s Encounter with Science," singles me out for criticism. Slifkin finds “profoundly problematic” what I have written about Darwinism -- namely that it would render Judaism’s claims about God null and void.

The key point is whether, across hundreds of millions of years, the development of life was guided or not. On one side of this chasm between worldviews are Darwinists, whose belief system asserts that life, through a material mechanism, in effect designed itself. On the other side are theories like intelligent design (ID) which argue that no such purely material mechanism could write the software in the cell, called DNA.


Read it here.

   
deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,00:30   

Yay, David Klinghoffer, whip out those false dichotomies, boy!!

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,02:14   

But ID isn't about religion.  No siree Bob.  It's just them lying atheist darwinists who say it is.

(snicker)  (giggle)

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2006,10:46   

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Thus, over on The New York Times bestseller list is The Language of God, a book by evangelical Christian and genome scientist Francis Collins. He cheers for Darwin, both in his book and in an interview with Beliefnet, while recounting sticky-sweet memories of how he accepted Jesus on a nature hike.


If Collins is now claiming in his book that his "conversion" was due to a nature hike... he is farther gone that I imagined.  He documented some time ago (and there are several sources to corroborate), that he changed his mind about his "faith" after the death of his parents; not some "nature hike".

obviously, he wants to cover up the fact that a traumatic emotional negative experience was at the root of his "faith", rather than a beethovenesque pastoral setting.

I guess he figured his book wouldn't sell as well if he spoke the actual truth about his born-again nature.

more and more troubling as this goes on.

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ScaryFacts



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,03:15   

Darwin put God out of business?

The operative word here is "business."  The key to raising money and maintaining power in the non-profit world of the church and church related groups is to get a simple to understand, sound-bite-able, crisis de jour.

People will give attention and money when they believe their sky is falling.  Or is threatened to fall.  Putting out a mailer to your supporters saying “We’re doing great.  Every obstacle to the advance of Christianity has been overcome.  You’ve got nothing to worry about.”  Doesn’t get much attention.

But making Darwin your enemy, telling everyone about the “vast scientific* conspiracy” out to destroy our faith, gets headlines, cash and power.

This is simply a form of marketing.  It is used by almost every group or company imaginable.  In the case of so-called Christians I find it reprehensible because at its core is a lie.

A good, headline producing faux-threat can bring in tons of cash for 3-6 months.

So these groups sit around looking for the “next big threat” to cash in on.  Terry Schiavo was a huge cash cow and that’s all she meant to these vampires.   The tape made it look like she was alive—though her autopsy proved otherwise—it was a simple case to make.

Evolution is complicated to explain.  It has some implications most people don’t like.   But the fallacious arguments against evolution are simple to understand.  They get air time.  They raise money.  They comfort the masses.

“Evolution is just a theory”
“Evolution makes us no more than an accident”
“Evolution is polluting the minds of our children”
“It’s not YOUR fault your children are immoral, it’s evolution—it taught them they are just animals so they act like animals.”

And, oh yes:  “Darwin would Put God out of Business”

Is a god who depends on lies to maintain his position really God?  “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.”



(*substitute any of the following:  left-wing, media, liberal, right-wing, fundamentalist, gay, straight, etc.)

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,04:30   

One word "Mamon".

Not to be confused with mommy (or communism) which in most households is pretty much a totalitarian state.

Sorry Mom, you know I love you.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,05:58   

I think Klinghoffer's piece shows that the only thing these guys hate more than a secular humanist/Atheist 'Darwinist' is a Christian who's comfortable with Evolution. I think they figure the only way they can win is if people are conned into thinking it's an either/or proposition.

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C.J.O'Brien



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,11:48   

So, like, if Gawd goes out of business, will he have a big clearance sale?

I hope so, 'cause I heard he's got a lot of pretty nice stuff.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,12:02   

yeah, it'll be a "fire sale"


:p

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tiredofthesos



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,12:11   

Jesus will probably pile up all the good stuff onto a boat, set the whole thing ablaze, and let it drift away.

  
incorygible



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,12:23   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 24 2006,17:02)
yeah, it'll be a "fire sale"


:p

"One dei only!"

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,13:55   

Opus Dei?

oooh, i do hope i will be able to pick up some extra cilices for my collection!

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,18:00   

Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Aug. 24 2006,16:48)
So, like, if Gawd goes out of business, will he have a big clearance sale?

I hope so, 'cause I heard he's got a lot of pretty nice stuff.

No, that's what the 'Rapture' will be like:

Free stuff EVERYWHERE! ! ! !

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2006,18:03   

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No, that's what the 'Rapture' will be like:

Free stuff EVERYWHERE! ! ! !


####, I must have missed it then.  AFAICT, that happened in the riots in downtown LA a few years back.

everybody got free TVs and boomboxes.

like a thief in the night... indeed.

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