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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,01:39   

Where does the idea that the Earth/Universe is 6-10K years old come from? I have heard by anecdote that this idea comes from the bible by guessing at age through generations that are named. Is that it?

Is this realy stil only down to Lighfoot/Usher?

  
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,06:55   

Basically, yeah, that's it.  So the hardcore Biblical literalalists take a young earth as, literally, Gospel.

They try to dress it up with a lot of scientific-sounding BS, but it all boils down to "Da Bible says so".

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,07:46   

There's nothing in the Bible that says so, this is just one man's interpretation and some people have run with it.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,08:15   

yeah ussher is the culprit.  no ussher, no wacko 'creation science' for they have attempted to affirm the consequent.

see Sal 'i believe the earth is young because of the genealogy of christ'.

edited:  gaah consequent for antecedent

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,09:03   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 03 2007,08:15)
yeah ussher is the culprit.  no ussher, no wacko 'creation science' for they have attempted to affirm the consequent.

see Sal 'i believe the earth is young because of the genealogy of christ'.

edited:  gaah consequent for antecedent

I imagine Sal Cordova at a geology conference holding a sign that says 6K years old, and waving it while shouting "The genealogy of Christ compels you!  The genealogy of Christ compels you!"

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ppb



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,11:29   

This is just my own idle speculation, not based on any research, so take it for what it's worth.  I think a part of it is the idea that the story of Creation is all about Us.  The bible takes us from the garden through the fall, redemption, second coming.  God's history is human history.  Why would God be doing stuff with the universe for billions of years without us?  :)

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,17:38   

Quote (skeptic @ Aug. 03 2007,07:46)
There's nothing in the Bible that says so, this is just one man's interpretation and some people have run with it.

Alas, there is nothing in the Bible that says ANYTHING --- it's just a book, and like ALL books, what it "says" depends entirely and totally upon the interpretations of the person reading it.

(shrug)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2007,18:53   

Quote (ppb @ Aug. 03 2007,11:29)
This is just my own idle speculation, not based on any research, so take it for what it's worth.  I think a part of it is the idea that the story of Creation is all about Us.  The bible takes us from the garden through the fall, redemption, second coming.  God's history is human history.  Why would God be doing stuff with the universe for billions of years without us?  :)

Profound insight.  Seems worth a lot to me.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2007,00:41   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 03 2007,06:55)
Basically, yeah, that's it.  So the hardcore Biblical literalalists take a young earth as, literally, Gospel.

They try to dress it up with a lot of scientific-sounding BS, but it all boils down to "Da Bible says so".

Except (AFAIK) it doesn't. The whole argument seems weird to me. Some guy has a guess at the antiquity of Earth by using the geneology in scripture and that becomes "gospel" for whackos?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2007,06:14   

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 03 2007,23:38)
Quote (skeptic @ Aug. 03 2007,07:46)
There's nothing in the Bible that says so, this is just one man's interpretation and some people have run with it.

Alas, there is nothing in the Bible that says ANYTHING --- it's just a book, and like ALL books, what it "says" depends entirely and totally upon the interpretations of the person reading it.

(shrug)

"No man ever believes the Bible means what it says. He is always convinced the Bible says what he means."

George Bernard Shaw from a Saturday Review article, April 16th, 1895.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2007,08:04   

Marge, everything is a sin. You ever sat down and read [the bible]? Technically, we're not allowed to go to the bathroom.Rev. Lovejoy:

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2007,10:50   

Quote (ppb @ Aug. 03 2007,11:29)
This is just my own idle speculation, not based on any research, so take it for what it's worth.  I think a part of it is the idea that the story of Creation is all about Us.  The bible takes us from the garden through the fall, redemption, second coming.  God's history is human history.  Why would God be doing stuff with the universe for billions of years without us?  :)

That's often occurred to me, that a certain kind of fundie is very uncomfortable with the idea that the Earth should have been around for 4.5 billion years before Jeebus showed up. And billions of years with no people AT ALL? That must make a lot of people feel much less special.

A young earth would be more pleasing to such people, since it bolsters the idea that earth was created just for Jesus to show up. This would help fundies feel even more like the center of the universe.

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