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Date: 2006/12/22 09:22:01, Link
Author: ppb
I live in Lexington, Massachusetts.  Grew up in Upstate New York, then moved around a bit to Florida, Phoenix Arizona, and Tuebingen Germany before settling in the Boston area.

Date: 2007/01/04 09:20:45, Link
Author: ppb
Another lurker coming out of the shadows to say thanks to all the regular contributers on this thread.  You are a credit to Science and the persuit of knowledge.

I have family and friends who are into creationism, including a former brother-in-law who is a proud graduate of the ICR!  I have a BS in Biology, I've had a life-long interest in Astronomy, and am a great lover of Science in general, so I was never persuaded by the YEC blather.  Still, I have something of a morbid fascination with the mindset.

With the recent court battles over ID, I started following events on Panda's Thumb and other sites.  I got drawn into this thread because I've known a number of AFDaves in the past.  I admire all the true professional scientists who have taken the time to dismember the creationist "arguments".  I've held back from contributing myself because I could not have done it as well.

I won't be following AFDave to any new forums.  He clearly has nothing new to say.  I will continue to follow PT.  It's great to read about all the exciting discoveries that real scientists are making.

Date: 2007/04/24 10:26:41, Link
Author: ppb
I have a BS in Biology and a long time interest in Astronomy, but I make my living with computers.  I have family who are into Creationism, including a former brother-in-law who studied at the ICR.  I started reading Panda's Thumb and some of the other blogs because of all the recent court activity over ID.  I enjoy reading the discussions, and I really enjoy learning about all the latest discoveries.  I don't post much myself 'cause I think the pros do a much better job than I could. :)

Date: 2007/05/21 10:30:28, Link
Author: ppb
So diamonds are not a caveman's best friend I guess.

Date: 2007/06/26 11:59:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 18 2007,16:08)
Quote (Louis @ June 15 2007,12:57)
My hovercraft is full of eels.

Louis

Would you like to come back to my place, bouncy-bouncy!

My nipples explode with delight!

Date: 2007/08/03 11:29:08, Link
Author: ppb
This is just my own idle speculation, not based on any research, so take it for what it's worth.  I think a part of it is the idea that the story of Creation is all about Us.  The bible takes us from the garden through the fall, redemption, second coming.  God's history is human history.  Why would God be doing stuff with the universe for billions of years without us?  :)

Date: 2008/02/11 09:42:09, Link
Author: ppb
We live in suburban Boston (Lexington) so our wildlife consists mainly of squirrels, chipmunks, various songbirds, and the occasional possum or raccoon.   One day though I looked out and saw this perched on top of our screened tent.



My first thought was "Oh cool!  We have a Great Blue Heron in our back yard."  Then I remembered our fish pond and thought "Oh sh*t!  We have a Great Blue Heron in our back yard."

Date: 2008/02/27 11:06:57, Link
Author: ppb
Maybe I'm missing something, but panspermia does not say intelligence came before life.  It just posits that life may have started elsewhere first, like Mars, and come here via meteor, or comets, or some other means.  You can test these ideas by looking at meteorites or studying the chemistry on other bodies in the solar system.  

How do you test ID?  No one seems to be able to define it in a way that can be tested.

Date: 2008/03/14 09:00:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 14 2008,06:10)
Or as we say in Beijing: Kalinichta!


Sounds like you had a little too much Ouzo! :D

Date: 2008/07/09 15:17:25, Link
Author: ppb
Given that a tadpole->frog goes from gills but no lungs to lungs but no gills, I would say yes!

Date: 2008/07/11 12:53:32, Link
Author: ppb
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Quote (midwifetoad @ July 11 2008,13:42)
Where I come from, The Swamp is a place of honor and glory. Just sayin'.

On a higher literary plane, the swamp was the home of Pogo, a wise creature from whom the DI crowd could learn much.

The Swamp is also where Hawkeye and Trapper John live.  We're in good company!

Date: 2008/07/16 15:32:39, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (raguel @ July 16 2008,16:13)
I find it odd that a non-scientist/biologist can look at tiktaalik and think "fish". I see that flat head and think "alligator". I don't see any part of that fossil that makes me think it's a fish.

I agree.  To me it is a perfect example of a transitional form between fish and amphibian.

People like FTK look at things like this with their bible goggles on.  To them, changing from one kind to another is impossible, so they have to label this as either a fish or a terrestrial animal.  For them, there is no in between.

Date: 2008/07/16 15:54:58, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (raguel @ July 16 2008,16:13)
It seems to me that paleontologists are always looking in the wrong place for something. I'd imagine Shubin was in the wrong place to find  rabbit and kangaroo fossils, but somehow managed to find tiktaalik instead.

In this case, Shubin knew the right place to look.  He understood what came before and after, had a good understanding of the age and type of deposits where he would find them, then found the most likely place on earth to do his digging.  That's science at it's best!

Date: 2008/07/16 17:18:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Ftk @ July 16 2008,18:04)
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I find it odd that a non-scientist/biologist can look at tiktaalik and think "fish". I see that flat head and think "alligator". I don't see any part of that fossil that makes me think it's a fish.



And if the shape of the head were the only thing to judge Tiktaalik's status as a transitional by, then this picture might mean something.

Date: 2008/07/17 14:42:13, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (stevestory @ July 17 2008,13:54)
The penultimate page.

As Groucho Marx once said, "Put it on the penultimate, not on the diphthongic", so get your posts in now.

Date: 2008/07/18 17:10:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (steve_h @ July 18 2008,17:47)
Quote (N.Wells @ July 18 2008,22:02)
Try to say something nice about Dr. Dr. D.???????  That is a challenge.

Let's see.  

(About half an hour....)
No, I've really got nothing.

He does make exceedingly good cakes!

To paraphrase Mozart from the movie Amadeus, as he tries to say something nice about Salieri's opera:

One reads such logic as this, and what can one say but... Dembski!

Date: 2008/07/23 11:19:13, Link
Author: ppb
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Quote (lcd @ July 23 2008,11:29)
So killing a child who sasses?  No.  Using Capitol Punishment on your offspring who is committing serious offenses such as murder, yes.

And where does it say he was anything other than a lazy drunkard son who won't listen to his parents?  There is no mention of murder, or anything else so serious.  Do you believe in capital punishment for being a lazy, disobedient drunk?

Date: 2008/07/23 12:02:30, Link
Author: ppb
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Quote (dheddle @ July 23 2008,12:32)
I'll jump in on lcd's side. These laws are for a nation that no longer exists, ancient Israel. It logically ceased to exist with the onset of Christ's public ministry (the Kingdom was, as it were, at hand) and literally ceased to exist in AD 70 when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and ransacked the temple. These laws do not apply to Christians--as is made most clear by the fact that Jesus broke or ignored his share.

As Christians, we are under Jesus' law (c.f., Matt. 5, the Sermon on the Mount) not under the civil laws for a nation of which we are not citizens.

So, God used to be OK with killing drunken obnoxious kids but now is against it?  Did God change His mind?

Date: 2008/07/23 12:38:40, Link
Author: ppb
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Quote (dheddle @ July 23 2008,13:27)
Quote (ppb @ July 23 2008,12:02)
   
Quote (dheddle @ July 23 2008,12:32)
I'll jump in on lcd's side. These laws are for a nation that no longer exists, ancient Israel. It logically ceased to exist with the onset of Christ's public ministry (the Kingdom was, as it were, at hand) and literally ceased to exist in AD 70 when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and ransacked the temple. These laws do not apply to Christians--as is made most clear by the fact that Jesus broke or ignored his share.

As Christians, we are under Jesus' law (c.f., Matt. 5, the Sermon on the Mount) not under the civil laws for a nation of which we are not citizens.

So, God used to be OK with killing drunken obnoxious kids but now is against it?  Did God change His mind?

It's more like situational ethics. For example, in pre-Christian Israel, it was commanded to make animal sacrifices as a sin atonement. We can safely assume that God viewed those activities, in those times, as lawful and moral. In our times, for Christians, animal sacrifices for sin atonement would be viewed as an abomination. Moral at one place and time, blasphemy at another place and time. Situational ethics.

As for the law against "sassing children" we can assume the children were guilty of far more than that--more like a life committed to debauchery. At least that's what I infer, primarily because the parents, not the state, are the prosecutors, as the passage notes. I would expect that Jewish parents, like parents anywhere, would take a whole lot of crap from their kids before turning them over to the elders for stoning.

The ancient law was a shadow of what was to come. Jesus' law is much more severe. You don't have to murder to get an eternal death sentence, you just have to hate someone or call your brother a fool.

We're not talking about animal sacrifices.  We're talking about parents killing their kids for "a life committed to debauchery".  Why would that be morally right then but morally wrong now?

Date: 2008/07/24 10:19:48, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (dogdidit @ July 24 2008,10:35)
While FTK is off having her laptop simonized, can ya'll explain the use of "transitional" in technical terms that a paleontology-challenged doofus like myself can understand? Or was this an exercise for FTK to complete?

I'm assuming a "transitional" would be a fossil of an individual from a species whose line of descent lies between an earlier known species and a later known species. IOW the fossil is not from a species we already knew about, nor is it of a species from which no known descendent species developed (an extinct line), nor is it a fossil of an extant species (e.g. the neighbor's house cat). But I make these assumptions from a wealth of ignorance.

ps @ afarensis, this was superb.

I'm not a professional, but I'll take a stab at giving you my understanding of the term.

In one sense, all species are transitional, since evolution is constantly at work.  Unless a line goes extinct, over time everything will change in some way.

In the case of certain fossils such as Tiktaalik roseae, it is a specimen which represents a major change, such as between ocean dwelling and land dwelling creatures.  Tiktallik has some characteristics of both fish and terrestrial animals, so it demonstrates the path from one major type to another.

Same for hominids.  People want to understand how humans evolved from a shared ancestor with other ape species, so certain fossils demonstrate the different stages of that transition.  The shape of the pelvis, position of the neck where it attaches to the skull, etc show over time how bipedalism and our upright stature evolved.  Lucy is an example of an individual along that path and could be considered a transitional.

If you're driving from Boston to NYC, then Hartford may be a transitional city.  If you live in Hartford, then it's not. :-)

Date: 2008/07/26 16:46:21, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 26 2008,17:12)
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 26 2008,15:58)
When I graddyate, I'm thinking there should be a great big AtBC wing ding at some centrally located location, or maybe even a simulwebcasted megathing, live from various nursing homes...

Well, the geographic center of the continental United States is near Lebanon, Kansas.  Lebanon is pretty much out in the sticks, but Manhattan isn't that far away.  We could meet there, trash Albatrossity's place, then go play ding-dong-ditch at FTK's house.

There's a museum in Kentucky that's supposed to be a half day's drive from anywhere.  We could meet there.

Date: 2008/08/11 13:46:05, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Aug. 11 2008,09:14)
Just wanted everyone to know that it's Monday morning, and I'm still not dead.  I will post again if this status changes.



Meanwhile, in other news,Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

Date: 2008/08/14 10:05:45, Link
Author: ppb
We justs moved to a new home in Lexington, MA (suburban Boston).  There are some wild turkeys in the area.  I've seen a few of them on my street, although none in my back yard yet.  Should be interesting when my dogs discover them.

Haven't gotten a photo yet, but I did have one fly almost head-on at my car.  I saw a big, black bird coming toward my windshield.  They are huge!

Date: 2008/08/14 11:18:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 14 2008,12:02)
When first married, we lived in Beverly MA, and loved it.

Once we saw a tom turkey - not wild, a domestic - might have just escaped - while roaming around Walden Pond - does that count?

If you haven't been there I recommend it, BTW, and 2 years ago re-visited Lexington and Concord.*



* For Louis and all the Brits here - It's why we don't waste ink on superfluous vowels in words like "color".  





Yeah, Walden is a favorite spot.  It's only a few miles from my house.

Beverly is nice too.  When I first moved to the area in the early 90's I looked at houses in Beverly.  It would have been a tough commute though given where I have worked over the last decade.

Date: 2008/08/14 14:52:50, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Aug. 14 2008,12:56)


J-Dog, he kinda looks like you.  Do you have any relatives in Georgia?

Actually, he looks a lot like your avatar Mr_C.  Is Bigfoot an atheist?   :)

Date: 2008/08/19 09:28:54, Link
Author: ppb
Not sure where to put this, so I'll add it to the Bathroom Wall.

Roger Ebert bashes Intelligent Design while giving a D-minus to 3D movies:

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In common with most species, we have excellent perception of movement. The first rudimentary "eyes" evolved to sense the difference between light (the source of energy) and darkness (its absence). Very slowly those early cells developed an ability to sense motion. The notion that eyes had to be an example of "intelligent design" is flawed because it cannot imagine an eye evolving toward what it cannot conceive.  But sight has evolved independently dozens of times on this planet, growing more complex not because it what it was evolving  into,  but because of what it was evolving  away from: less perception of light and movement. Those few creatures who because of chance mutation gained an advantage were of course more likely to survive.


Way to go Roger!

Date: 2008/08/26 10:34:49, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 26 2008,07:07)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 26 2008,11:33)
 
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 26 2008,02:31)
Anyway, I'm sure we've all done worse! I know Arden has.

Oh, did you catch him sneaking out of your mother's boudoir again?

Dude, my mother's dead*.....

....not that that would stop Arden.**

Louis

*This is patently untrue.

**This....ummmm....not so much untrue as completely accurate.

Still keeping your dead mother in her boudoir after all these hears.  How Norman Batesian.

Date: 2008/09/22 15:18:41, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 22 2008,15:30)
My gosh, I've repeated this so many time, and just once I'd like someone to respond with a "YES, it is somewhat difficult to believe the whole molecule to man scenario...there is an element of faith involved in this belief".  

But, you can't say that because you truly believe it's an unquestionable fact.  That blows my mind.

People here aren't saying that evolution is an unquestionable fact.  They are saying that there is an ever growing mountain of evidence that supports the theory.  Faith doesn't enter into it at all.

Date: 2008/09/22 15:37:50, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 22 2008,16:29)
Quote (ppb @ Sep. 22 2008,15:18)
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 22 2008,15:30)
My gosh, I've repeated this so many time, and just once I'd like someone to respond with a "YES, it is somewhat difficult to believe the whole molecule to man scenario...there is an element of faith involved in this belief".  

But, you can't say that because you truly believe it's an unquestionable fact.  That blows my mind.

People here aren't saying that evolution is an unquestionable fact.  They are saying that there is an ever growing mountain of evidence that supports the theory.  Faith doesn't enter into it at all.

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Faith doesn't enter into it at all.


HOW can faith not enter into it?  I really want to understand this.  If were talking *truth* rather than ambiguous "evidence", you have to take this theory back to the first cause, consider the evidence, and work it up from there.  How can any of you believe that everything that we observe today arose from a simple cell?  I mean, for God's sake look around you!  The complexity is overwhelming, and I'm supposed to believe it all arose from a simple little blob of life??????!!!!!  

Perhaps it would be helpful if some of you try to share you thoughts as to how this could have occurred.  You must think about it....or do you just accept that it happened and move on?  I simply can't get past it.

Your (or my or anyone's) personal incredulity is not evidence.  The question is not "what can I believe" but "where does the evidence lead".  That is what the scientific method is all about.

We all have our personal beliefs, but that is not science.

Date: 2008/10/30 15:13:06, Link
Author: ppb
I finally finished two books that got set aside during my recent move.

Shubin's "Your Inner Fish", which I found to be excellent.  Very enjoyable account of our rise from the swamps to having opposable thumbs and hiccups.

"Michael Palin Diaries 1969-1979: The Python Years", a must read for the die-hard Python fan.  Lots of stories about "Holy Grail" and "Life of Brian", hangin' out with George Harrison, hosting Saturday Night Live, along with every day things like kids birthday parties and painful dentistry.

My lovely wife just gave me an autographed copy of "The Sibley Field Guide to Birds of Eastern North America ".  She knows me so well.

Date: 2008/11/04 11:49:01, Link
Author: ppb
I voted this morning at 8:00.  No long lines here in my part of the great blue northeast.  My daughter voted this morning in Philadelphia, getting in line at 6:30 to be one of the first.  She was very excited to be in a battleground state.  She felt her vote really mattered, and she was  happy to have a choice she could be enthusiastic about. (Obama, naturally!)

Me too.

Date: 2008/11/04 13:57:59, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 03 2008,07:56)
What is everyone's Libation / Libation & Food Creation Of Choice to properly celebrate Tuesday Night?

We have a bottle of champagne ready to celebrate the dawning of the age of Obama.  I suspect we will be opening it early tonight.  Looking forward to the John Stewart/Stephen Colbert election night coverage too.   :)

Date: 2008/12/19 08:12:56, Link
Author: ppb
We are developing the capability to study the chemical composition of the atmospheres of extrasolar planets.

Hubble finds carbon dioxide on an extrasolar planet

When I first took up astronomy as a hobby in the late 60's our knowledge of the planets in our own solar system was still limited.  Now we can study the atmosphere of planets orbiting other stars many light-years away.

It may not be long before we detect signs of life on earth-like planets.

Date: 2008/12/19 12:02:51, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2008,12:12)

Yes, I was listening to a very good podcast on it yesterday, though I don't recall if it was Are We Alone, or Science Update, or maybe the Astronomy Update from Universe Today. It had been a while since I'd been able to listen to many of them at once, so they had piled up. They all sort of ran together after a few hours yesterday, so ...

It was one of those.

....unless it was another science podcast.

:)


I read about it on Phil Plait's blog.  They did it by subtracting the spectrum of the star itself (while the planet was eclipsed) from the spectrum of the star and the planet together.  Really neat trick.

Date: 2009/01/07 10:55:24, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Steviepinhead @ Jan. 06 2009,19:04)
What?!?  Nobody wants to learn how Lucy's bones bespeak her bipedalism?
Quote (Steviepinhead @ Jan. 05 2009,13:49)
Bipedalsim -- "Lucy" Bones -- Lecture.

If any of our Seattle-area members would be interested in attending a lecture associated with* the current "Lucy's Legacy" exhibit at the Pacific Science Center, I haz TWO FREE TICKETS (a twelve dollar value!;) for this Thursday evening, Jan. 8, at 7 pm.  My gf and I can't go because of another commitment (I've gone to the other lectures in the series and they've all been interesting).  

The lecture is roughly an hour long, is presented by the Burke Museum in association with the science center, and takes place in the Eames Auditorium in the Pacific Science Center complex, basically the same place you go to watch IMAX films.

Here's what Teh Lecture is about:
Jan 8, 2009, 7 p.m. - Eames Theater, Pacific Science Center
Dr. Patricia Kramer - "Lucy Walks: functional morphology and the evolution of bipedalism" - Dr. Kramer will discuss how anthropologists decipher clues from fossils to discover how and why our earliest hominid ancestors walked upright.

Dr. Kramer is a Research Assistant Professor of Anthropology at the University of Washington, and Adjunct Curator of Archaeology, Burke Museum.

If interested, please PM me!  We can hack out the ticket hand-off off-line (I live in Fremont, range as far north as Edmonds and as far south as downtown on a daily basis, and will be attending another lecture at the Seattle Art Museum the same night at the same time, so could probably swing by any location downtown north of the SAM on my way there -- for example, a location just outside the Pacific Science Center!;)




__
Note that I will not be treating you to the exhibit itself, but only to the lecture.

Just bumping this again -- Free tickets to the above Seattle lecture are available!

I'd love to go.  Do they come with free airline tickets to Seattle?  :)

Date: 2009/01/20 10:27:44, Link
Author: ppb
At last, that village in Texas has to take back their idiot.  Happy day!

Date: 2009/01/23 12:11:49, Link
Author: ppb
Happy birthday Wes & SD.

Wes, maybe you should consider being 39.  It worked for Jack Benny.  :)

Date: 2009/02/04 15:07:59, Link
Author: ppb
Louis,
Congratulations to you and your wife.  I am sure you will make an excellent father.

I have step-children, so I did not get to be a dad until my kids were already cuddly little teenagers.  I assured my new family that I had acquired all the necessary parenting skills by watching The Simpsons.  I think I have lived up to that standard.

I'm sure you will do just fine.

Date: 2009/02/09 11:58:53, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 09 2009,11:29)
 
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 09 2009,09:27)
Dave writes a post Someone please send Barbara Forrest a thesaurus where he thinks he is smarter than Barbara Forrest.  His main argument, you see, supernatural isn't listed as an antonym of natural in MSN Encarta's Thesaurus.  Perhaps some suicidal sock puppet might point out to him that (1) supernatural is a rarely used word and (2) its one and only antonym in Encarta is natural.

Natural is a word with many meanings.

  natural <--> artificial
  natural <--> supernatural


(Other meanings include accustomed, normal, intrinsic or unforced.)

   
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DaveScot: Of course there’s an alternative explanation here. Perhaps Forrest is well aware that natural/supernatural is a false dichotomy and she’s just an unapologetic liar.

It's hard to know what DaveScot means here. What are the other possibilities in the natural <--> supernatural dichotomy? Sub-natural? Crypto-natural? Ex-natural?



Au-natural?  :)

Date: 2009/02/10 13:08:36, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 10 2009,06:01)

You want to talk about humility, now you are entering into my arena of study and practice.

You know someone has true humility when they have to point it out to you.  :D

Louis, I love reading your posts.  You clearly know what you are talking about, and you seem to really enjoy teaching others.  You have the patience of a saint.

Date: 2009/02/11 10:18:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Quack @ Feb. 11 2009,11:11)
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The bigger question even than that is "HOW is the mind a product of the physical and chemical processes of the brain?".


Don't we know darn well from a lot of experience that 'the whole is more than the sum of its parts', and that that is more true than ever when we are talking about the human brain; the most(?) complex organ in the universe?

I don't know about that.  I can think of some other pretty complex organs.

Date: 2009/02/11 14:39:59, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 11 2009,15:33)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 11 2009,14:20)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 11 2009,19:54)
All bow.

Pffffff no Stonners?

Louis

P.S. That website is obscene, literally. Most of what is on there is, IMO, inedible. Krispy Kreme cheddar bacon cheeseburgers? Bleugh. Vomit.

Hey, you went to school in upstate New York.  In all that time, you never had a Nick Tahoe's Garbage Plate?*



* In the interest of full disclosure, I grew up and went to college in Rochester and never had a Garbage Plate.

Hey, my brother has worked at Nick Tahoe's.  Never had a Garbage Plate myself though.

Date: 2009/02/13 10:44:39, Link
Author: ppb
RFJE,
I'm not going to question your personal experiences.  I had a friend a number of years back who was a pastor.  He made regular trips to India and would tell stories similar to yours.  I don't know how true they were, but even if I saw things like that myself, or even if I prayed and were healed myself, it wouldn't alter my understanding of the evolution of life on earth or the history of the universe.

Whether or not you believe in God, the devil, angels, etc has no bearing on the fact that the earth is billions of years old, life on earth has existed for a significant portion of that time, and over time has changed.  The ever growing weight of scientific evidence from astronomy, physics, geology, chemistry, biology all points to this same conclusion.

So, your stories about what God has done in your life and the lives of those around you are nice, but have nothing to do with the Theory of Evolution and the science that supports it.  If you want to talk about science, please stick to the science.  We all have stories we could tell.

Date: 2009/02/19 08:11:09, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 19 2009,02:08)
Quote (raguel @ Feb. 19 2009,00:27)
I haven't seen anyone here dispute the presence of oxygen (the element) on Earth.  Your argument therefore is that water and carbon dioxide would react the same as oxygen (the molecule) simply because they all have oxygen (the atom/element). This is false, and you would have avoided making such an obvious mistake if you took the time to learn Chemistry.

No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.  I am not saying CO2 and H2O react the same as O or O2.

According to the evolutionary model there was enough O atoms to bind with H (H2O) to make enough water vapor to create the oceans after the earth cooled.  

This is my point.  The MODEL is A THEORY created in someone's mind, and the theory shoots itself in the foot--If you've got enough O atoms to make enough H2O vapor to create OCEANS, then you've got alot of oygen.  Who is to say that it wouldn't bind with itself above the surface.  Why does nitrogen have to go all the way under ground and then come out of volcanoes?  It could have just as well stayed above the surface and formed an atmosphere.  Or it could permeate the earth underground and in the atmosphere.

But there is only one reason for this theory.  Evolution had to have it or abiogeneis wouldn't work.  Alot of O2 would have spelled disaster.

RFJE,
I'm not an expert, but the prevailing theory is that most of the water on earth was delivered after the earth formed, most likely from collisions with comets or asteroids.  It was not manufactured on site.  Click here for an article that talks about it.  

Also, theories about the formation of the earth and its oceans are not part of the theory of evolution.  It is cosmology, not biology, although it can provide information that is helpful in understanding abiogenesis.

Date: 2009/02/25 04:37:09, Link
Author: ppb
Happy belated b-day Amadan!

Date: 2009/03/02 12:48:34, Link
Author: ppb
If you're not a Real Scientist ™, but are a scientist wanna-be like me, here's a web site that lets you analyze galaxy images and provide useful data for working astronomers.  It's called Galaxy Zoo, and it shows you pictures of galaxies and asks you a series of questions about them.  

It turns out that our brains do a better job of classifying galaxies than computers currently do.  Galaxy Zoo takes images from the robotic Sloan Digital Sky Survey and uses people's responses to sort the galaxies into categories for further study.  It is an easy and fun way to contribute to our growing knowledge of the universe.

Date: 2009/03/03 15:45:02, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (bystander @ Mar. 03 2009,16:26)
 
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 24 2009,08:54)
This must be the strangest fish (YouTube video) I've seen so far:
Macropinna microstoma: A deep-sea fish with a transparent head and tubular eyes (press release by Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute).

The greenish globes inside the head are the eyes. The black spots at the front are the fish equivalent of "nostrils".

[edit]The video was removed from YouTube but can now be found at the press release link[/edit]

ID predicted this

Don't worry.  The ICR is on top of it.  :D

Date: 2009/03/06 07:05:09, Link
Author: ppb
Hippo birdie two ewes!

Date: 2009/03/06 13:48:39, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 06 2009,13:01)
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Mar. 06 2009,09:04)
Can we put KF and DaveScott in the LHC and smash them together at close to the speed of light to see what tards are made of.

It's tardles all the way down.

I think it's Jebons all the way down.

Date: 2009/03/06 14:26:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 06 2009,15:04)
Quote (ppb @ Mar. 06 2009,19:48)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 06 2009,13:01)
 
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Mar. 06 2009,09:04)
Can we put KF and DaveScott in the LHC and smash them together at close to the speed of light to see what tards are made of.

It's tardles all the way down.

I think it's Jebons all the way down.

DISSENT!!!!

BURN THE HERETIC!!

SCHISM!!!

Etc

Louis

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!  :O

Date: 2009/03/06 15:01:13, Link
Author: ppb
I just finished reading Chet Reymo's book "Walking Zero: Discovering Cosmic Space and Time Along the PRIME MERIDIAN".  In it he takes a walk of about 200 miles along the prime meridian in England.  He makes stops along the way at Greenwich Observatory, Darwin's home in Downe, and various other places of historic and scientific interest.  While doing so, he describes how our understanding of ourselves and our place in the universe has changed.  Where once we though ourselves at the center of everything, we now know we are a small part of a universe that is exceedingly vast in space and time.

While reading it I couldn't help but think of the creationists we deal with.  They are no different than the people who thought the earth was the literal center of the cosmos, and that the sun, moon and stars revolved around it.  To them, the story of mankind is all that matters.  The thought that the universe went along just fine without us for billions of years, and will keep rolling along for billions more after we are gone, is an uncomfortable one for them.

We've come a long way in the last 2000 years.  I'm constantly amazed at how much we've learned in the last 40 years that I have been a science geek.

ETA: spelling

Date: 2009/03/13 08:09:54, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,06:36)
Hot tubs full of naked people are for sex parties. End of story.

You godless Evilutionists are all alike.  It's not about the science.  It's about the group sex!

Date: 2009/03/13 14:47:10, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,15:07)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 13 2009,19:33)
Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 13 2009,10:11)
 
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,08:47)
{sigh}

I've got so much to learn.

Louis

You'd be surprised how many things that are fun are considered "bad parenting".

Like letting them play with frayed electrical wiring.

Swimming with Crocs and 'Gators.

Letting them puff on a cigar and drinking Johny Wlaker while watching the game with you.

Playing on the Interstate, with or without a vehicle.

Some many restrictions nowadays.  How can anyone have fun anymore?

No lie.

All the good stuff winds up on that list.

Apparently my ideas to sedate the baby using a heroin/thorazine filled tranquilliser dart gun are also a no-no.

Also vetoed was my cunning plan to sew velcro to his back, chuck him at a suitably velcroed turntable on the wall and feed/clean him through a carefully timed sequence of hoses.

Spin passing the baby like a rugby ball is also out. Nor am I allowed to make his first words a series of particularly pithy vulgarities. This parenting lark doesn't sound fun at all.

Louis

Yeah, the moms don't seem to be as open to "innovation" when it comes to taking care of the baby.

Date: 2009/03/24 07:26:34, Link
Author: ppb
A few days late, but,  Happy Belated Birthday Kristine!

You are a rose among the AtBC thorns.

Date: 2009/03/30 14:44:26, Link
Author: ppb
Herzlichen Geburtstag!

Date: 2009/04/06 13:28:53, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 06 2009,08:34)
Quote (khan @ April 05 2009,18:09)
Sirens and cable alerts: tornado watches/warnings for next 5 hours.

Coming back from Nashville last Thursday, I was in the airport when they gave a tornado warning announcement asking everyone in the terminal to take cover, to get away from all windows, and stay by interior walls or in the restrooms until further notice.

The tornado took out the back wall of a tire store, but didn't come to the airport.

Now if only that tornado would have assembled a 747 for you.

Date: 2009/04/08 10:57:39, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 08 2009,10:34)
I'm sure this is ID research, somehow:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090402143457.htm

If it spits out 42 for an answer we could be certain that Slarty Bartfast is the Designer.

Date: 2009/04/09 12:47:20, Link
Author: ppb
Eugenie Scott of NCSE is going to be on the NPR program Science Friday tomorrow, April 10 at 2 PM EDT, talking about what's happening in Texas.

Date: 2009/04/10 14:43:26, Link
Author: ppb
By popular demand, here's a place to post talks and other activities of interest to the group.

If you are in the Boston area you can come hear Neil Shubin, author of  "Your Inner Fish", at the Harvard Museum of Natural History this Thursday, April 16, at 6:00 PM.  The Museum is opening a new permanent exhibition entitled "EVOLUTION".  Dr. Shubin will talk about our evolutionary baggage.  My wife and I are planning to be there.

They have great talks like this all the time.  In the past I've gone to hear E.O. Wilson, Sean Carroll, Andy Knoll, and others.  They sometimes have a wine and cheese party in the Museum afterward, although I don't know if this event will.

Come one, come all!

Date: 2009/04/10 17:10:39, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday k.e...  It's nice to know there are still a few out there who are even older than I am.

Date: 2009/04/22 13:31:36, Link
Author: ppb
Interesting new fossil discovered that fills in some of the detail in the transition from land animals to ocean dwelling mammals like seals and walruses.  It's been named Puijila darwini.  Puijila means "young sea mammal" in the Inuktitut language spoken where the fossil was found in the far north of Canada.  You know where darwini comes from.  Read all about it here:

http://nature.ca/puijila/index_e.cfm

I just heard Neil Shubin talk about Tiktaalik roseae last week.  This is sort of Tiktallik in reverse!

ETA: I've taken a closer look at their web site, and it is really nicely done.  They have a cool interactive picture of the skull that lets you rotate it while reading about the skull's pinniped-like characteristics.

Date: 2009/04/30 08:54:38, Link
Author: ppb
Watched the PBS Nova program called "Alien From Earth" about Homo floresiensis, the "hobbit" fossils found in Indonesia.  The debate rages on about whether they are a separate species, but further research seems to support this.  Comparison with other human ancestors raises the possibility that H. floresiensis may be descended from australopithecines (like Lucy) rather than Homo erectus as earlier speculated.  If so, this is the first evidence of migration out of Africa of anything pre H. erectus.

There is a good article on this in The New York Times.

Date: 2009/05/01 13:14:53, Link
Author: ppb
Given the topic title, I'd say that 42 is the new 41.  Have a happy birthday Lou!

Date: 2009/05/13 15:36:52, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2009,16:32)
Quote (chunkdz @ May 13 2009,15:30)
Quote
Richardthughes: Why are fundies and alike so fixated with IQ?

I dunno, Richard. Why does a keyword search of your posts turn up 122 mentions of "gay"?

Because I have no problem with the concept. Add "Homo" if you want a bumper batch of results.

Wouldn't that make it an "Add Homo" argument?

Date: 2009/05/15 10:29:16, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (gene @ May 15 2009,08:32)
I have some questions regarding evolution:

How does evolution explain the development of the reproduction process?  In other words, how is it that life evolved into male and female genders?   It seems that the evolutionary process would have to have occurred twice simultaneously in order to produce  male and  female counterparts for procreation to go forth.   How is this process explained?

Thanks for your help,
Gene

Gene,
This is a bit off topic, but here goes.

The short answer is, it didn't happen the way you are describing, with a male and female suddenly appearing in one shot.  Sexual reproduction is a very complicated business, with many variations.  Some species have multiple ways of reproducing.  Bacteria can swap genetic material. Many other organisms are hermaphroditic, having both male and female parts, like snails.  Others can change gender as needed.  Arriving at the male/female arrangement would have occurred after passing through some intermediate phases.

Think of it as crossing a wide river.  You wouldn't get across in one big jump.  You would do it in small steps, using stepping stones, a little at a time.  Evolution works by small variations over time.

The origin of sexual reproduction goes way back in time, so it is still an area of uncertainty.  There are however a number of theories.  You can Google "evolution of sexual reproduction" and get a lot of information on the subject.  Here's one place to start: Evolution of Sexual Reproduction.

I am not an expert on the subject, so I welcome any corrections anyone wants to make.

Date: 2009/05/15 18:44:00, Link
Author: ppb
Congratulations Lou.  That's a nice bit of writing.  I wish I could write like that, although I am happy not to have such a dramatic bit of personal experience to share with the world.  :)

Date: 2009/05/21 08:46:37, Link
Author: ppb
I know you guys tend more towards the biological sciences, but since Creationists think evolution covers the Big Bang and is pretty much the Theory of Everything (evil), I thought I would share this item from the good Dr Phil's Bad Astronomy blog.  It is a video of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy rising over the Texas Star Party.

It was taken with a Canon EOS-5D with filter modifications to record hydrogen alpha at 656 nm.  An EF 15mm f/2.8 lens was used, and the exposures were controlled by a timer, 20 seconds of exposure followed by 40 seconds off.

The results are spectacular.  I've seen the Milky Way under really dark skies, but it was nothing quite like this!

Date: 2009/05/21 10:12:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ May 21 2009,11:06)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 21 2009,09:29)
 
Quote (afarensis @ May 21 2009,00:30)
This seemed like an appropriate place to mention that I have moved, yet again. My new, and hopefully permanent, home is here. Please adjust links accordingly...

P.S. I would PM Erasmus but I am not Jerry!

Edit: Needed to fix a typo.

http://afarensis99.wordpress.com/about/#comment-8082

I see you welcomed him by pointing out his Genus! :)

I don't think he's a Homo.  I think he's an Australopithecus.

ETA: Rich is the Homo

Further ETA: It's impolite to point at his Genus.

Date: 2009/05/21 14:45:15, Link
Author: ppb
I'm going to guess the top one is a Double-crested Cormorant.

Edit: Probably a juvenile.  From Wikipedia: "The plumage of juvenile Double-crested Cormorants is more dark grey or brownish. The underparts of a juvenile are lighter than the back with a pale throat and breast that darkens towards the belly. As a bird ages, it's plumage will grow darker. The bill of a juvenile will be mostly orange or yellowish."

Date: 2009/05/23 13:10:06, Link
Author: ppb
I, for one, am proud to be a Homo.  My father was a Homo, as was his father before him.  I come from a long line of Homos.

afarensis should be so lucky!

It's like my grandfather used to say.  There are two kinds of people: those who are Homos, and those who WISH they were Homos.

Date: 2009/05/26 10:01:43, Link
Author: ppb
Went to Plum Island, north of Boston, over the holiday weekend.  There were large areas of the beach roped off to protect nesting Piping Plovers and Least Terns.  I got a few nice pictures.


A pair of Piping Plovers



An adult and baby Piping Plover



A very fast Least Tern



Also spotted were Snowy Egrets, Song Sparrows, Semipalmated Plovers, Dunlins, assorted gulls and miscellaneous other little shore birds that I always have trouble identifying.

Date: 2009/05/26 14:33:08, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 26 2009,14:58)
Quote (ppb @ May 26 2009,10:01)

An adult and baby Piping Plover

Nice! If there is anything cuter than a baby shorebird, I've yet to meet up with it...

Thanks.  This was taken with my 28-135mm Canon zoom.  That's the longest lens I have since I switched to a digital SLR.  The chicks were numerous, and very cute, but I couldn't get a very large image of one.  They were all so tiny.

I'm saving my pennies for something a bit longer, in the 300-400mm range.

Date: 2009/05/28 14:58:32, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (dhogaza @ May 28 2009,15:28)

Very nice photo!  

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have a Rebel XT with the APS sensor, so 300mm should be plenty long.  Now I just have to squeeze it into the budget.  :(

Date: 2009/05/28 22:57:22, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 28 2009,20:20)
ETA: Near as I can tell to this point, there's no front end filter to just screw on, it requires serious surgery on the camera. I'd like to avoid that, too.

That's the impression I had from the description.  Not something that I would want to do to my camera.

Date: 2009/06/03 09:26:37, Link
Author: ppb
Louis,
Excellent news.  Congratulations!  Best wishes to you and your wife.  Little Nicholas is in good hands.  Enjoy this new chapter in your life.

Date: 2009/06/04 12:32:37, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 04 2009,12:51)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 04 2009,11:40)
It just takes three steps.

1. Actual conservation laws are well-regarded.
2. My idea needs to be well-regarded.
3. My idea is a conservation law.

Since it's that easy, I propose the following:

The Law of Conservation of TARD--Any idea which begins as TARD will remain TARD no matter how many sciency sounding words, equations, or simulations it is put through.

This law is my law which is mine, etc...

TARD in, TARD out.

Date: 2009/06/12 14:15:44, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 12 2009,15:10)
What consilient support is there for Bird / Dinos?

Well, feathered dinos for one.

Date: 2009/06/13 17:43:28, Link
Author: ppb
It's about time we got little Nicholas out of the bathroom.

It's no place for a youngster.

Date: 2009/06/14 06:56:01, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ June 13 2009,20:09)
Out of the bathroom and into the pub. Gotcha.

Exactly!  He needs to be in a more nurturing environment.

Date: 2009/06/14 13:01:35, Link
Author: ppb
Happy birthday to all youse guys.

Date: 2009/06/25 21:14:07, Link
Author: ppb
Good luck!  You've got my vote.

I'll be looking forward to your reports from way down-under.

Date: 2009/06/26 13:57:10, Link
Author: ppb
It should be so easy a caveman can do it.

Date: 2009/06/27 10:46:42, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Bob O'H @ June 27 2009,10:14)
Damn those illegal immigrants!  Send 'em back where they came from!

As it's half-time in the rugby, I can ask for an identification of a bird.  I saw it last weekend in northern Helsinki.

It's pretty much in the middle of both shots:




There are a couple more photos if you click through and look at the photostream, but they're not terribly good either.

Any ideas?  I know it's not a magpie.

I broke out my German bird book.  It's hard to tell from the photos, but maybe a Great Grey Shrike.  Lanius excubitor.  German name is Raubwuerger.

Date: 2009/06/30 21:56:20, Link
Author: ppb
Went to Cape Cod over the weekend.  When we came back from the beach we discovered a mom and her kids cavorting in our rental back yard.





I got to see lots of Ospreys too.

Date: 2009/07/01 09:28:01, Link
Author: ppb
Some actual scientists tour the Creation Museum.    They find it amusing, and disturbing.

Date: 2009/07/02 00:05:10, Link
Author: ppb
Wesley's up against some stiff competition, but he is still pretty confident he will win.  I took this photo of him preparing for the trip.

Date: 2009/07/03 09:30:46, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday Rich!

Date: 2009/07/03 17:24:00, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (keiths @ July 02 2009,23:01)
Quote (ppb @ July 01 2009,22:05)
Wesley's up against some stiff competition, but he is still pretty confident he will win. I took this photo of him preparing for the trip.

Look at those talons.  Wes, you've found the missing link between raptors and penguins!

As part of his effort to bring falconry to Antarctica, Wes has been conducting some rather novel cross breeding experiments.

Date: 2009/07/06 13:10:22, Link
Author: ppb
It is a beautiful day here, so I went to a local wildlife refuge for some lunch-time birding.  I saw my first Black-billed Cuckoo.  Now, I know with all the Creationists you guys deal with all the time that you've seen a lot of Cuckoos, but it was a first time for me.  

Very nice looking bird with red around the eyes.  Very secretive.  I almost missed him.

Date: 2009/07/07 09:42:00, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 07 2009,09:45)
That's quite a picture, RB!

This "Bacon number" thing is an interesting bit of pop culture trivia.

I figured out that my number is 3, based on a calculation from this site. As a high-schooler, I met John Forsythe, who was in my hometown filming In Cold Blood. He has a Bacon number of 2, so I guess mine is 3. Interestingly, Truman Capote (whom I also met at the time) also has a Bacon number of 2, according to that site.

None of the Nobel Laureates that I have met over the years seem to have a Bacon number; I guess they didn't make many movies. But some guy named John Kwok has a Bacon number of 4, based on his appearance in a movie in 1982 (Wu lin shi ba nu jie), and subsequent movie linkages! Is it the same Kwokster who has a crush on ERV?

My brother's an actor (with extensive experience in the food services industry to prove it), and according to the OracleOfBacon has a Bacon Number of 3.

I am not an actor, but given our loose Bacon Number rules here I can give myself a Bacon Number of 3 by virtue of attending the same high school as Bill Pullman (he graduated in my sister's class), whose Bacon Number is 2.

Date: 2009/07/07 09:52:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 07 2009,10:46)
It would seem one could form a bacon tree (yes Joe, its a nested hierarchy). But I don't want to ham bush this thread.

OK, back on topic.

According to Oracle Of Bacon, William Dembski has a Bacon Number of 2.

         William Dembski
                    |
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (2008)
                    |
              Ben Stein
                    |
Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987)
                    |
            Kevin Bacon

Date: 2009/07/13 07:24:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Kristine @ July 11 2009,08:30)
I hate to say it, but...well, maybe most people in any profession look like dorks.

The International Sisterhood of Supermodels begs to differ.

Date: 2009/07/27 07:57:07, Link
Author: ppb
Happy 3 millionth birthday Afarensis!  Oh, and thanks for the bipedalism.

Date: 2009/07/29 09:33:18, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Telamon @ July 28 2009,22:45)
Hi, I'm rather new to this forum. I came here in search of some rational minds to help me with a small dilemma I'm having. You see, I decided to debate a YEC online, but I am not sure how to respond to his latest comment. I'll post his comments here, hopefully someone can provide me with some advice, answers, and resources.

Note: We were discussing Russell Humphreys' "White Hole Theory" and the age of the Earth. For those of you who do not know, Humphreys is an AiG "scientist" who created a hypothesis to explain the distant starlight conundrum.

Here is the YEC's post:

"I didn’t intend to claim that geologists always assumed the Bible to be untrue. Steno was one of the founding fathers of the science of geology, and he was a biblical creationist. However, it is a terrible shame that most Christians compromised so quickly when these unbiblical ideas began to be introduced. The big changes in geology began happening when people proposed, instead of one global flood, many catastrophes, in contradiction of Scripture. Uniformitarianism was even more contradictory, and the fact is it is a philosophical assumption, and a framework in which to interpret the evidence. They assumed the Bible was untrue from the outset, and then went about doing their research and interpreting the evidence in their new system. As a result, you can’t take any of the “findings” of secular geology and use it to attack the Bible, because that would be circular.

Do you think Big Bang cosmology is testable? Is there any set of observations that could falsify the theory (e.g. not enough matter in the universe  )?

People have tried to challenge Humphreys’ cosmology on scientific grounds for 15 years, and failed. The fact is, as far as we know it remains within the realm of the possible, and it is consistent with the Bible. How many cosmologies do you know that have both of these things going for them?

I can see by your trust in "dating methods" that you have a lot of faith in what scientists tell you. I think if a scientist makes a set of unprovable assumptions in order to calculate a date for something, and the result conflicts with Scripture, I would question his assumptions and not Scripture.

I don’t think Humphreys “upholds” the dating methods used for the universe, because they all assume the Big Bang. He’s just trying to solve the starlight travel time problem (and remember, the Big Bang has its own starlight travel time problem)."

I find it interesting that he rejects scientific data on the age of the earth and the universe, but accepts scientific data on the speed of light and the size of the universe.  It is YEC's who have a "distant starlight conundrum" to deal with.  It is amusing to me how they try to use scientific principles like time dilation to attempt to get out of it.  Why don't they just reject reality here too?

As for falsifying the Big Bang, finding matter moving in a direction other than from a single point would be one way, but that is not what we observe.  We can see the universe expanding in every direction.

Early geologists didn't reject the Bible first.  They looked at the world and what they saw did not fit with the Bible.

Date: 2009/07/29 10:22:21, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 29 2009,10:53)
Why would someone come here for help with a physics question?

Because evolution explains everything; the Big Bang, black holes, Nazis, the Kennedy Assassination...

Date: 2009/07/31 19:26:28, Link
Author: ppb
I seem to be stuck on a wild turkey theme in this thread.

Came home from work and found this on the swing set:



After hanging out there for a bit he decided to head for a nearby tree:



He stayed there for another 10 or 15 minutes before making a break for it.

We'll sometimes get a dozen or more in our yard.  They have been making a comeback here in Eastern Massachusetts.

Date: 2009/08/07 12:30:52, Link
Author: ppb
The Government now owns a Creationist theme park.  Read about it here.  Laugh about it here.

Date: 2009/08/07 15:05:49, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 07 2009,15:48)
Doesn't that violate that thing in the constitution about separation of stuff? :p

The Constitution doesn't say anything about the separation of dinosaurs and Jesus.

Date: 2009/08/09 07:05:33, Link
Author: ppb
Wesley,
Congratulations, and good luck.  Way back in the '70s I lived for a time just up the road in Orlando.  I remember Tampa/St.Petersburg as being a nice area.  You'll certainly have no lack of interesting wildlife in Florida.

Date: 2009/08/12 07:36:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 11 2009,23:33)
Hey, Tarden Chatterbox?

Bacon!!!1!1111!!!

Wow.  There's even something that appeals to the ID supporters!

Date: 2009/08/12 10:38:57, Link
Author: ppb
OMG!!!

Zombie Ants!

We're doomed!

Date: 2009/08/17 17:20:06, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 17 2009,16:12)
Quote
BORN IN THE USA?
Obama's MySpace page: I'm 52 years old, not 48
Would place president's birth during time Hawaii was a territory
Posted: August 17, 2009
12:46 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily


Is President Obama's age 52? His MySpace page declares his age as 52, thus putting his birth year at 1957, two years before Hawaii achieved U.S. statehood.

If President Obama were indeed born in Hawaii, was it while the islands were a territory of the United States?

A new wrinkle in the dispute over his birth – and whether he is eligible to be president under the U.S. Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural born" citizen – appeared today when Obama's MySpace page declared his age is 52, thus placing his birth year at 1957 instead of 1961 as has been claimed.

That would mean he would have been born during the archipelago's time as a territory of the U.S.,  the islands' status from about 1900 until statehood in 1959.

The birth year also conflicts with campaign and other White House information that have discussed his 48th birthday this month.


lolololol

OK, so we're supposed to take MySpace as an official source and not the State of Hawaii which has certified the appropriate documents?  That makes perfect sense.  :D

Date: 2009/08/18 13:19:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 18 2009,13:34)
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 18 2009,11:33)
 
Quote
An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design
Sean McDowell

One of the most stereotypes of intelligent design (ID) is that it is an evangelical Christian movement intent upon forcing religion into the classroom.

I see Sean McDowell has a copy of How To Write Good Like What I Done, by Denyse O'Leary.

The very same book that Sarah Palin uses to help write all her memorable speeches, also too.  Thanks again Denyse.

We should send them all to the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too.

Date: 2009/08/19 08:58:16, Link
Author: ppb
I lived in Germany for a few years (as a civilian).  It was amusing to go into the supermarkets on the American military bases and see Budweiser and Miller Lite on sale.  Here we were, living in beer Valhalla, but we had to keep our boys and girls in uniform stocked up on good old American beer.

Talk about coals to Newcastle!

Date: 2009/08/19 10:02:54, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 19 2009,10:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 19 2009,09:40)
Dembski can has peer review?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....erature

Fucks sake
 
Quote
P.S. Our critics will immediately say that this really isn’t a pro-ID article but that it’s about something else (I’ve seen this line now for over a decade once work on ID started encroaching into peer-review territory). Before you believe this, have a look at the article. In it we critique, for instance, Richard Dawkins METHINKS*IT*IS*LIKE*A*WEASEL (p. 1055). Question: When Dawkins introduced this example, was he arguing pro-Darwinism? Yes he was. In critiquing his example and arguing that information is not created by unguided evolutionary processes, we are indeed making an argument that supports ID.

What the fuck does WEASEL have to do with anything? Anybody seen the paper yet? He "critiquing"  latched or proper Weasel?

And their argument might "support ID" in his mind but does it mention ID in the paper? Inquiring minds want to know and I can't look at the paper right now.

He talks about characters being ratcheted into place, so not really Dawkin's WEASEL.

No direct mention of ID either.

He's basically saying that random searches don't work without problem specific information being inserted into the program.  Lots of formulas which I will leave to the math types to critique.

Date: 2009/08/19 10:40:48, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 19 2009,11:36)
So how exactly is this a paper supporting ID?

According to Dembski, by critiquing Dawkins (which he doesn't really do), he is critiquing evolution and therefore ID wins.

Date: 2009/08/19 12:16:02, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 19 2009,13:09)
I’m growing weary of these quibbling and thus shutting the comments off. - WmAD

That's truly sig-worthy

Date: 2009/08/20 18:51:05, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (sledgehammer @ Aug. 20 2009,19:07)
I think it's telling that the last comment by Dembski before squelching discussion was in answer to ppb's statement, which clearly struck a nerve:    
Quote
The information needed to drive evolution is provided by the environment the organism finds itself in.

To be honest, I did use the word "search" in my next sentence.  Maybe not the best choice of words on my part. I thought it slimy of him to ask a question without permitting a response.

Also, while I like to think my comment was what did him in, I think I actually slipped in under the gate just as it was closing.  His initial comment didn't include a response to me.  He added that in a later edit.

Date: 2009/08/21 13:05:38, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Maya @ Aug. 21 2009,13:00)
Quote (olegt @ Aug. 21 2009,11:25)
After typing millions of lines on the subject, Gordon E. Mullings got around to actually reading Dawkins' original text!  

I suppose we can call it progress.  What's next?

Understanding it?

Now, now.  You don't believe in miracles, do you?

Date: 2009/08/24 18:13:04, Link
Author: ppb
I was at the American Museum of Natural History in New York yesterday and was surprised to run into Afarensis there.



He was accompanied by a lady friend.

Date: 2009/08/25 14:17:49, Link
Author: ppb
This looks interesting.  A researcher in Canada wants to manipulate developing chicken embryos to resurrect ancient dinosaur features.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet....biaHome

Hans Larsson, a paleontologist at McGill University, got the idea from discussions with Jack Horner.

It will be interesting to see how much genetic information remains to be turned back on.

Date: 2009/08/28 13:52:36, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 28 2009,14:34)
they're still just mice.

yawn.

wake me up when one gives birth to a dog-cat.

Will you accept a dog-racoon?

Date: 2009/08/28 15:58:17, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Maya @ Aug. 28 2009,16:52)
Disco on an accordion.  That's two consecutive life sentences where I grew up, if Dad and my brothers didn't catch you first.

I have an "interesting" version of Jimi Hendrix's Fire done on an accordion.  Thank you Schickele Mix!

Date: 2009/09/02 16:03:39, Link
Author: ppb
Happy birthday to one and all!

Date: 2009/09/07 15:12:28, Link
Author: ppb
Lou,
Very nice pics.  As an astronomy buff, I particularly like the Jupiter shots.  How did you get them?

I was out on Cape Cod this past week and saw lots of seals.  They are very popular with the sharks however, and they closed the beach at Chatham due to some great white sightings.  We also saw a lot of whale spouts from the cliffs in Truro, and even saw a whale doing some pretty aggressive tail slapping.

I didn't get many wildlife pictures, but did get this picture of the moon rising over Nauset Beach.

The turtle watching sounds really interesting.  Keep up the reports.

Date: 2009/09/08 18:45:55, Link
Author: ppb
I had a YEC brother-in-law who studied at the ICR under Steve Austin, then went on to get a Masters degree at Penn State in geology.  After college he went to work for one of the major oil companies in New Orleans.  He seemed able to do the necessary work without believing all the science.

Date: 2009/09/10 13:51:53, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 10 2009,14:34)
You just don't get the same "bang for the buck" story with Darwinists...

Don't be so sure about that.  PZ's been hitting on Janeane Garofalo!

Date: 2009/09/10 14:44:05, Link
Author: ppb
This might be of interest to some.  Since it will be simulcast on-line, no need to even be in the Boston area.
From Glenn Branch of NCSE:

Dear Boston-area friends of NCSE,

I thought that you might like to know that Everett Mendelsohn will be
speaking on "The World Before Darwin" at 8:00 p.m. on September 16, at
Harvard Science Center Lecture Hall D on the Harvard campus in
Cambridge.

His talk will be the inaugural lecture of the 150th anniversary
"Origin of Species" lecture series hosted by The Reading Odyssey and
the Darwin Facebook project; it is cosponsored by the Harvard Museum
of Comparative Zoology.

Admission is free but advance registration is required. Additionally,
the lecture will also be simulcast on-line. For further details and
registration and simulcast information, visit:
http://darwinlecture1.eventbrite.com/

--
Sincerely,

Glenn Branch
Deputy Director
National Center for Science Education, Inc.
420 40th Street, Suite 2
Oakland, CA 94609-2509
510-601-7203 x310
fax: 510-601-7204
800-290-6006
branch@ncseweb.org
http://ncseweb.org

Eugenie C. Scott's Evolution vs. Creationism -- now in its second edition!
http://ncseweb.org/evc

Not in Our Classrooms: Why Intelligent Design Is Wrong for Our Schools
http://ncseweb.org/nioc

NCSE's work is supported by its members. Join today!
http://ncseweb.org/membership

Date: 2009/09/14 13:40:41, Link
Author: ppb
FL;
Evolution may indeed be incompatible with your understanding of Christianity based on your interpretation of the Bible.  So what!  Other Christians disagree, obviously.  

As has been pointed out to you many times by many others, the validity of evolutionary theory is not affected by your views on Christianity.  I personally am not interested in discussions on theology.  I prefer sticking with the science.

Date: 2009/09/14 15:34:21, Link
Author: ppb
Sorry Heddle, but your Honda Element is clearly incompatible with the Bible.  The Scriptures clearly state that the disciples were together in one Accord.  :)





Date: 2009/09/14 15:59:09, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 14 2009,16:38)
 
Quote (ppb @ Sep. 14 2009,21:34)
Sorry Heddle, but your Honda Element is clearly incompatible with the Bible.  The Scriptures clearly state that the disciples were together in one Accord.  :)

POTW*

You win the thread.

Louis

*For at least 45 mins.

My very first POTW, and I get it with a very old and very lame joke.  Mom will be so proud! :D

Date: 2009/09/17 15:26:31, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 17 2009,16:14)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 17 2009,15:35)
 
Quote (dogdidit @ Sep. 17 2009,13:10)
Zachriel, have you been site-banned there? Or have the rigours of tard-mining sidelined you for a while?

edited for orthographic rectitude

I was banned on several consecutive threads. Also, complaining about the bans, even on Open Threads, has been banned. I'm not sure it's worth the trouble unless they enact a consistent moderation policy. But I may yet post again.

Meanwhile, I still haul up tard into the light of AtBC.

and for that you shall have 72 virgins

Actually, here at ATBC, we're offering 100 virgins.


Still have to be dead to collect though.

Date: 2009/09/18 15:11:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 18 2009,15:22)
I suspect Floyd is impervious to correction.


edit to correct!

Floyd knows he has the Truth™, so no need to be corrected.

As has been pointed out, he isn't here to debate.  Just here to preach.
And he's not really here to preach to the heathen.  He's just trying to warn the wavering Christians about the dangers of asking too many questions.

Date: 2009/09/18 15:47:14, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,16:35)
A basic definition of Christianity, indeed becoming a Christian, is as easy to do as reading and understanding John 3:16.

If becoming a Christian is as easy as reading and understanding John 3:16, then where is the conflict with Evolution?  There is nothing in that passage that mentions anything about origins.

Date: 2009/09/18 18:06:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,18:41)
Quote
If becoming a Christian is as easy as reading and understanding John 3:16, then where is the conflict with Evolution?  There is nothing in that passage that mentions anything about origins.

I suspected somebody might try to respond in that manner.  Here is the issue:  there are Christian beliefs that are foundational even to John 3:16, even.  They're quite important and can't be blown off.

For example, you know that John 3:16 presumes theism.  There's no way an ATHEIST can do John 3:16 without first giving up atheism.  Theism is foundational to John 3:16, even if a person doesn't even know how to spell the word theism.  Theism is foundational to Christianity.  

Well, there's some OTHER biblical beliefs that are foundational to Christianity too.  Deny these other biblical beliefs--and as we've seen already in four areas, evolution DOES deny them--and you are effectively eroding, corroding, undercutting Christian belief.  

Doesn't mean necessarily that you're not a Christian, but goodness, look at that danger and damage, that potential to erode and corrode important beliefs---and look at the people who are no longer holding on to the Christian faith you're holding on to, people for whom the damage is already done.

And that's happening right now.

OK, so now you're saying it's not quite so simple.  I agree with what Louis said, that without defining the terms "Christian" and "Evolution" there is not much point in debating.  I think any definition you come up with is going to be open to dispute.  As I stated early on, I have no interest in getting into a discussion of theology.  I'll wait around for the science, should it ever come up.

Date: 2009/09/18 18:28:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (ppb @ Sep. 18 2009,16:11)
And he's not really here to preach to the heathen.  He's just trying to warn the wavering Christians about the dangers of asking too many questions.

Thus proving my point:

 
Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,18:41)
 Doesn't mean necessarily that you're not a Christian, but goodness, look at that danger and damage, that potential to erode and corrode important beliefs---and look at the people who are no longer holding on to the Christian faith you're holding on to, people for whom the damage is already done.

And that's happening right now.

Date: 2009/09/22 08:12:05, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 21 2009,23:18)
It seems likely that most of the molecules in our bodies were present in dust in the past, so "made from dust" doesn't necessarily conflict with evolved from ancestral species.

Henry

I always liked how Carl Sagan put it.  We're made of "star stuff".

Date: 2009/09/22 08:23:07, Link
Author: ppb
Yikes!!!  I remember seeing a few alligators when I lived in Florida, but I never got that close!  Give my best wishes to Diane.

Date: 2009/09/24 09:34:49, Link
Author: ppb
This is from Pharyngula.  It is a bit dated, but very entertaining and informative.  Julia Child makes primordial soup.

Date: 2009/09/25 09:44:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 25 2009,10:39)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 25 2009,10:11)
quick to rally to any neocon cause, he's upset with global warming again:

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009/09/agw-biggest-science-fraud-yet.html

Or maybe he doesn't want us delaying the rapture any longer?

edit to add this nugget from Vox:

 
Quote
Actually, the main reason I'm so strongly against the AGW/CC BS is that I'm from Minnesota. You know, an area that used to be COMPLETELY COVERED WITH ICE. During the years I lived there, I happened to notice that IT IS NO LONGER COMPLETELY COVERED WITH ICE. Ergo, the rational conclusion is that the planet has been warming considerably for quite some time without any help from Man.

Also, I fail to see any significant downside to the sudden and catastrophic inundation of the East and West Coasts portrayed in the more hysterical global warming scenarios.

themmar fancy east coast and west coast librulz!  

VD thinks he is a god damned Noah

He lives in that "Real" America that God and Sarah Palin love so much.

Date: 2009/09/25 10:21:42, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 25 2009,10:47)
He lives in Italy now. But tells America what's-what.

I stand corrected.

He lives in that "Real" Italy that God and Sarah Palin love so much.

Quote
But tells America what's-what.

Just like Sarah Palin!

Date: 2009/10/01 08:25:37, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Scienthuse @ Oct. 01 2009,05:26)
By presuming, I meant the modern interpretation of science is presumptive in radiometric dating.  How can anyone assume the ratio between any isotopes/ elements in a given igneous rock is there solely because of nuclear decay?

No one knows how much of either the parent or daughter element was there to start with, or how much parent/daughter element have come in/left the rock through ground water.

I'm not a geologist, but I do know that with radiometric dating they try to use multiple methods whenever possible to verify their data.  If they get consistent results from two different methods it is hard to see how the contamination would also be consistent.  You shouldn't presume that the experts in the field don't consider such questions.  They do.

As far as my YEC brother-in-law, he was married to the sister of my ex-wife, and I haven't kept close touch with him.  I do know he is no longer working for the oil company, but I'm not sure if he is still using his geology degree.

Date: 2009/10/01 12:25:50, Link
Author: ppb
Deep time is also an integral part of astronomy.  Because light has a fixed, measurable speed, we know that the further out in the universe we look, the further back in time we are seeing.  Just to see across our own galaxy is looking back 100,000 years.  The universe itself is billions of lightyears in size.  We can look back and see the history of the entire universe, almost to the Big Bang itself.
 
Astronomy is another science that corroborates deep time and shows a literal reading of Genesis to be indefensible.

Date: 2009/10/02 05:58:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (afarensis @ Oct. 01 2009,23:14)
Ardipithecus! you can download them all for free if you register. It's paleoanthropological heaven! I am sooo excited! OMG!OMG! Did I mention how excited I was? OMG!ZOMG!OMG! It is very cool! And did I mention how excited I am, stoked, or I would even say chuffed! Wooooohoooooooooooo!

I can understand why you're so excited, afarensis.  She does look pretty hot!

Date: 2009/10/06 11:03:24, Link
Author: ppb
Louis,
I would recommend a good digital SLR.  My first digital camera was a point and shoot Nikon Coolpix.  It can take some very nice pictures, but the delay time between pushing the button and the actual picture taking makes it very frustrating to use.  The good digital SLR's have no such delay, due to having more buffering capability.  Some can let you do rapid fire shooting by holding down the shutter release.

I have a Canon Rebel XT (I think called EOS 350D in Europe), which I am very pleased with.  Nikon and Canon both are good brands with a wide range of lenses available for both amateur and professional level photographers.  Good quality lenses are important, and where you can spend lots of money.   :)

One thing to consider besides pixel count is the size of the sensor.  Some sensors are equivalent to 35mm film in size, while some are smaller.  My Canon has a sensor that is smaller than 35mm.  Lenses that are made for 35mm size images can be used with the smaller sensors, although you will only be getting the center of the image.   This is not necessarily a problem, but it does affect how the lenses operate.  A 50mm lens is considered a normal lens on a 35mm camera, but is a short telephoto lens with one of these smaller sensors.  Wide angles are not so wide, and telephotos function a bit longer with the smaller sensor.  You can read about it more here:  http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutoria....ize.htm

Date: 2009/10/06 11:36:37, Link
Author: ppb
I tried to find a birthday lolcat, but found this instead.



Happy birthday!

Date: 2009/10/06 12:30:37, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 06 2009,13:09)
 
Quote
Since the invention of the atomic clock in the middle of the last century, the addition of a leap second, about every two years, has been necessitated, because (embarassingly to those who say the earth and universe are billions of years old) the rate of the earth’s spin is slowing down, half a second per year, which implies that 30 million years ago, a day would have been 12 hours long, and 30 million years in the future, a day would be 48 hours, which is all very inconvenient to the timeline of the darwinists, who don’t like to talk about this one of many strong indicators that the earth and universe are really quite young, as believed by half of Americans, and 30% of Britions, what the darwinists also don’t like to talk about, but which should be pointed out, after all, were you aware of those numbers?


yeah, that's all one sentence.

[URL=http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2009/06/08/age-young-earth-creationism-adding-leap-seconds-corrections-earth-spin-rate-slowdown-secon

d-law-of-thermodynamics-cesium-atomic-clocks-nuclear-metronome-precision-modern-world-time

keeping-chronometry/]tard[/URL]

A very bad understanding of what a leap second is too.  Dr. Phil Plait explains it better than I could.

ETA:  It's equivalent to saying we add a day to the calendar every four years, therefore the earth is slowing down 1/4 day every year.

Date: 2009/10/06 13:00:30, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 06 2009,13:44)
Thanks PPB and Albatrossity,

I shall take all that into consideration when I try to instigate a divorce by informing my wife I need a REEEEEALLLY posh camera to take the young un on nature walks. ;-)

Louis

Remind her that it can take really nice pictures of the young one as well.

ETA: Talking my wife into purchasing the Canon was not a problem.  Convincing her that I need the $1000+ lens to take those really nice bird pictures is a little more problematic.  :)

Date: 2009/10/06 20:22:26, Link
Author: ppb
I went from Minolta film equipment (SRT-101, X700) to Canon, so I bit the bullet on old lenses.  As Alby pointed out, lots of pros use Canon, so that was a factor for me.  They sell a wide range of hardware from entry level to professional grade, so there is lots of room to grow.

Louis,
Given Deadman's proclivities you should take care what vertebrate you come back as.

PS: I love image stabilization.  Another excuse to spend more money!

Date: 2009/10/06 20:43:10, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 06 2009,17:40)
I am considering upgrading to a digital SLR. I currently have a film (what can I say, my old man worked for the red and yellow box) Canon EOS Rebel and was going to get the digital equivalent so I can use my existing lenses (35-80mm and 70-300mm) and was wondering what those really expensive lenses come with to justify the significantly higher cost?

Canon has two main tiers of lenses.  The regular lenses and their L-series lenses.  The L-series lenses are the professional lenses.  They are the ones with the mostly white bodies.  They are built very rugged for the heavy use that professionals put them through.  That is one factor in the price.

Other factors are features like auto-focus and image stabilization, which are getting ubiquitous.

Lens design, like many things, is a series of compromises.  The more you are willing to pay, the fewer compromises you have to make.  More expensive lenses can have better, lighter components, larger apertures, better image quality across the entire image.

As always, it pays to do some research.  With the internet, it is easy to find reviews and tests of lenses on-line.  Sometimes you can get good performance from a less expensive lens, but you have to do the research.


ETA:  One other thing.  Big, long lenses to get up close and personal with nature get pretty pricey due to lots of glass.  That is my biggest frustration at the moment, since I switched from Minolta to Canon.  It will take me a while to get all the lenses I would like to have.

Date: 2009/10/07 08:40:36, Link
Author: ppb
This item  should be of interest to any of you Edgar Allan Poe fans.  They're giving his funeral a do-over.

Date: 2009/10/08 06:12:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (nmgirl @ Oct. 08 2009,01:06)
I started reading Baar's book again and as he talks about the beauty and majesty of the Grand Canyon as seen from a small raft on the river, I just don't understand why YECs have to believe in this 6000 year old earth and things happening in just moments.  Can't they see the wonder of millions of years of geologic activity, one process building on the other to create this fantastic place? Why is this not evidence of creation over millions of years?

He can't see it that way because he is stuck with his literalist interpretation of the bible.  Giving up on that would be like giving up on God.  To me it is a form of idolatry, worshiping the book, rather than God.  The earth has to have been created in 6 days.  There has to have been a world-wide flood.  It says so in the bible!

It's the same thing with FL.  You can see the fear in his writing.  He can't allow for the possibility that things are not as he believes them to be.  Christians who veer from the straight and narrow of his biblical Christianity are in danger.  If they abandon the faith, they're on the down elevator to hell.

That's why they come here and spout off about subjects they know little about and lecture experts on the "facts", the real "truth".  They think we're the ones with the blinders on, we're the ones with the closed minds.  Why don't we open our eyes to the real truth?  It comes from God, so it must be true!  How can we leave out God and learn anything about his creation?  This makes no sense to them.  In fact, it is a threat to their own faith.  We can't be right.

Date: 2009/10/08 08:14:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 07 2009,22:56)
That or a chipmunk that got bit by a radioactive spider...

Henry

It's Spidermunk!

Date: 2009/10/08 08:21:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2009,18:54)

Do we get beer?

Of course!  It's the Devil's brew, straight from hell, or so I'm told.

Date: 2009/10/08 08:54:41, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 08 2009,09:40)
Quote (JonF @ Oct. 08 2009,13:36)
Quote (ppb @ Oct. 08 2009,07:12)
It's the same thing with FL.  You can see the fear in his writing.  He can't allow for the possibility that things are not as he believes them to be.  Christians who veer from the straight and narrow of his biblical Christianity are in danger.  If they abandon the faith, they're on the down elevator to hell.

Yup. I call it the Get Out Of Hell Free Card.

  • I gotta have a Get Out of Hell Free Card.
  • If I do all the right stuff, I get a Get Out of Hell Free Card.
  • But if I have to interpret the Bible, I might interpret it wrong.
  • If I interpret the Bible wrong, I might not get my Get Out of Hell Free Card.
  • Therefore the Bible must be inerrant un-inerpretable so I don't have to make any choices and can be assured of getting my Get Out of Hell Free Card.

But the problem is they do interpret the bible. There is no other option available to them

The bible they read is at least a translation of a translation of a compromise set of documents of various ages written by different authors at different times with different goals which have been abridged, added to and modified several times before and after the specific translation they are dealing with. And even then it has to pass the filter of their preconceptions derived from their cultural and social prejudices and ideas.

This isn't a criticism by the way. It is practically impossible for any one individual (or even group of collaborating individuals) to do anything else with a "book" (it really isn't a single book) of this historical nature. That's even granting them the ability to do so as objectively as possible in the absence of the huge cultural significance and social environment that such a "book" has.

The "literal" reading they claim to give this "book" really is nothing of the kind. Even the sophisticated theologians are really doing little more than the best that literary criticism and analysis can achieve with (for example) The Lord of the Rings. At best the biblical scholarship that is so often trotted out as some kind of defence of a specific religious interpretation rises to the level of an English Literature major/student/academic's literary criticism. At the worst it is navel gazing, the self referential arguments over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I.e. utterly useless unless you sign up to their beliefs in the first place, and pretty much useless even then.

BTW I agree with you that the subtext (and it ain't very sub!) of the dreck spouted by FL and chums is "ZOMG YOU DOODS GOING TO HELLZ!!!!!!!!1111!!!111ONEELEVEN1111!!!!! I'M DUN WANNA GOES TO HELL I'MA GONNA STICK WITH MAH JEBUS!!!!!!!111!!!!1!!1"

It's funny, but it's very dumb and very annoying.

Louis

I agree completely.  I have to laugh whenever someone tells me they don't interpret the bible, the just do what it says.

Date: 2009/10/08 09:34:19, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Oct. 08 2009,10:25)
About that promotion again, I feel like I should have gone "HARHAR, THIS IS YOU" and select a lolcat of choice.

But life sometimes brings unto us choices that are, in the words of Esope, "bloody hard"

This is how it works:

HAR HAR, THIS IS YOU!

Date: 2009/10/08 10:38:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 08 2009,10:37)
You win 3 quatloos and a go on Arden.

A go on Arden?  What would I have gotten if I had won?

Date: 2009/10/08 16:14:26, Link
Author: ppb
Sorry, Wes.

The Winner

Date: 2009/10/09 10:16:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 09 2009,09:59)
You say Christianity is defined as reading and understanding John 3:16.  So please explain how John 3:16 incorporates your big 5 whatever they are.

Yeah, I called him on that one.  It seems there's a bit more to it than that after all.

Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,18:41)
 
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If becoming a Christian is as easy as reading and understanding John 3:16, then where is the conflict with Evolution?  There is nothing in that passage that mentions anything about origins.

I suspected somebody might try to respond in that manner.  Here is the issue:  there are Christian beliefs that are foundational even to John 3:16, even.  They're quite important and can't be blown off.

For example, you know that John 3:16 presumes theism.  There's no way an ATHEIST can do John 3:16 without first giving up atheism.  Theism is foundational to John 3:16, even if a person doesn't even know how to spell the word theism.  Theism is foundational to Christianity.  

Well, there's some OTHER biblical beliefs that are foundational to Christianity too.  Deny these other biblical beliefs--and as we've seen already in four areas, evolution DOES deny them--and you are effectively eroding, corroding, undercutting Christian belief.  

Doesn't mean necessarily that you're not a Christian, but goodness, look at that danger and damage, that potential to erode and corrode important beliefs---and look at the people who are no longer holding on to the Christian faith you're holding on to, people for whom the damage is already done.

And that's happening right now.

Date: 2009/10/09 10:40:16, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Constant Mews @ Oct. 09 2009,11:24)
... and I hope to be able to help you understand your errors.

Good luck with that CM.

Date: 2009/10/09 12:34:50, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 09 2009,13:18)
Quote
I suspected somebody might try to respond in that manner.  Here is the issue:  there are Christian beliefs that are foundational even to John 3:16, even.  They're quite important and can't be blown off.

For example, you know that John 3:16 presumes theism.  There's no way an ATHEIST can do John 3:16 without first giving up atheism.  Theism is foundational to John 3:16, even if a person doesn't even know how to spell the word theism.  Theism is foundational to Christianity.  

Well, there's some OTHER biblical beliefs that are foundational to Christianity too.  Deny these other biblical beliefs--and as we've seen already in four areas, evolution DOES deny them--and you are effectively eroding, corroding, undercutting Christian belief.  

Doesn't mean necessarily that you're not a Christian, but goodness, look at that danger and damage, that potential to erode and corrode important beliefs---and look at the people who are no longer holding on to the Christian faith you're holding on to, people for whom the damage is already done.

And that's happening right now.

Ppb, what was your refutation of this explanation?  You don't seem to have supplied one.

My point was that you really didn't mean what you said.  You said it was as easy as reading and understanding John 3:16, and then you said it's not.  So it's not really the definition of Christianity that you are operating under.

I have no interest in discussing your 4 or 5 points.  You're the only one who seems to think they are relevant.

Date: 2009/10/09 14:59:06, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Constant Mews @ Oct. 09 2009,15:57)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 09 2009,14:16)
Could somebody clarify something?

If there was no "death" before "the fall" does that mean FL thinks plants are not alive?

Plants were eaten before the fall. There was no death before the fall. Therefore plants are not alive?

Hmm.

Plants do not possess the "breath" of life; in fundie circles, that means that they are not, in fact, considered living things.

Well, plants do breath.  If they didn't, we wouldn't either!

Date: 2009/10/09 15:15:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Constant Mews @ Oct. 09 2009,16:13)
Quote (ppb @ Oct. 09 2009,14:59)
Quote (Constant Mews @ Oct. 09 2009,15:57)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 09 2009,14:16)
Could somebody clarify something?

If there was no "death" before "the fall" does that mean FL thinks plants are not alive?

Plants were eaten before the fall. There was no death before the fall. Therefore plants are not alive?

Hmm.

Plants do not possess the "breath" of life; in fundie circles, that means that they are not, in fact, considered living things.

Well, plants do breath.  If they didn't, we wouldn't either!

The ancient Hebrews didn't know that.  It's one of those interesting points which shows so clearly why one cannot take Genesis 1-11 as literal truth.  If the Word of God - a product of fallible men - contradicts the Work of God - an infallible source of wisdom - then obviously the products of man must be presumed to be in error.

I know.  I just think it's ironic that we wouldn't even have the "breath of life" were it not for plants.

Date: 2009/10/09 16:08:36, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 09 2009,16:55)
I've noticed (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) that Floyd Lee tends to take the opinions of certain atheistic scientists on the topic of compatibility between religion and science as the final word on the subject.  But then he ignores them when they talk about all the evidence there is for evolution.  I wonder why that is?

He also will talk about Christianity in a generic sense, as in whether or not the Pope is a Christian.  Then he will go on to defend his 4 or 5 points as being essential to "biblical Christianity".  No definition for what biblical Christianity is, or why it is different from (superior to?) plain old Christianity.

Date: 2009/10/09 17:05:08, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 09 2009,17:23)
Quote
He also will talk about Christianity in a generic sense, as in whether or not the Pope is a Christian.

That was the question you guys kept asking ME, remember?  I didn't initiate question, AND I'd answered it as far back as Sept 22----but somebody failed to remember (and failed to check the back pages), and kept trying to harp on it until I re-posted my response which he missed in the first place.  

So, please try to tell it right.  Or maybe, just stay on the sidelines, hmm?

My point wasn't whether or not you consider the Pope a Christian.  I was pointing out that, although the supposed debate is whether or not Christianity and Evolution are compatible, you keep referring to "biblical Christianity" in your discussion of your 5 points of incompatibility.  I find the distinction "interesting", and thought I would point it out.

I really should have posted this to the peanut gallery thread, but that thread isn't getting much use lately.

Date: 2009/10/09 19:15:44, Link
Author: ppb
I think the first posts don't show up on a new page until a second post is made.  That happened to me as well.

Date: 2009/10/14 13:43:37, Link
Author: ppb
Another gap is filled.  Darwinopterus modularis is another of those transitional forms that creationists prefer to remain ignorant about.  It fits nicely between between earlier non-pterodactyloids and later pterodactyloids.

It's amazing what you can find if you actually go out and do some science.

Date: 2009/10/20 12:23:41, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 20 2009,13:16)
Well...I'm now completely convinced. After 56 pages, Floyd has now convinced me: beyond any doubt whatsoever, the Theory of Evolution is absolutely incompitable with stupidity.

Or at least that Floyd is incompatible with reality.

Date: 2009/10/20 14:50:23, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 20 2009,15:37)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 20 2009,14:35)
Praise teh designer it's not spelled "flameboyant"

I don't know but with the evolution of language it could evolve (or is it devolve?) that way!

That would violate the SLoH! (Second Law of Homo-dynamics)

ETA: Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Date: 2009/10/21 17:12:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 20 2009,20:02)
I was wondering where Louis had been...

He's holding at 4999 posts. He must be saving #5000 for something epic.

I think he will take the opportunity to admit the error of his ways, confess his sins, and invite Jesus into his heart.

Either that, or he'll announce he is leaving his wife and son to run away with Richardthughes.

He could go either way.

Date: 2009/10/23 14:03:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 23 2009,14:43)
[quote=OgreMkV,Oct. 23 2009,13:23][/quote]
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Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 23 2009,13:13)
As for CM, I'm sure we could be neighbors with no ill effect

I agree totally.  Personally, I'd rather be having this debate with CM.


Sure, but really...how long or interesting would that debate be?

CM: Well, I don't see evolution as being incompatible with Christianity.

Us:  ...

Long, no.  But more interesting...

Date: 2009/10/26 14:06:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 26 2009,14:28)
Are there other details to this Biblical Perspective?  Sure there are.  For example, the Bible says that birds preceded land animals.  What that means is that evolutionists are wrong when they claim that dinosaurs or reptilians gradually evolved into birds.  Yet another point of conflict with evolution.

Floyd,
If someone had only the scientific evidence and didn't have the Bible to "guide" them, do you really think they would conclude that birds came before dinosaurs?

Date: 2009/10/27 05:36:23, Link
Author: ppb
dvunkannon,
Happy birthday!

Date: 2009/10/28 09:29:06, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 28 2009,09:48)
Quote
You're trying to get someone to "prove a negative".

Nope.  The specific claim is that Genesis 1-11 is metaphorical.  That's not "proving a negative."

Now you get to prove that Gen. 1-11 is metaphor and not a straight historical narrative.  You up for it?

Floyd,

Whether or not you believe Genesis to be historical narrative is irrelevant.  The Genesis account is demonstrably false.  On a clear night, with dark skies, I can look up and see with my own eyes things that happened millions of years ago.  Paleontologists would love to be able to look at things that happened millions of years in the past.  Astronomers get to do it all the time.  With modern instruments we get to see the whole history of the universe unfold as we look deeper and deeper into the past, going back billions of years.  I can see with my own eyes that Genesis does not reflect reality.

To someone who is not predisposed to accept the Bible as literal truth, it is very clear that the Genesis creation story is the type of creation myth people around the world created to explain how things got to be the way they are.  They had no way of knowing how immense and wonderful the universe truly is, so they had to rely on their limited imaginations.  We have the benefit of centuries of learning and exploring, and we now live in a much larger and much more interesting universe than the people of biblical times.

So you are not just having compatibility problems with Evolution.  You have a problem with all of modern science.

Date: 2009/10/28 09:53:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 28 2009,10:49)
And who knew about the Wizzard of Oz's deep evil meanings?  I for one always suspected Dorothy was hiding something.  What kind of good Christian girl runs around with a man who is always hard like the TinMan, and sleeps with animals?

She also enjoyed a good roll in the hay, and she was a known drug (poppy) user!  :O

Date: 2009/10/28 14:59:17, Link
Author: ppb
FL,

Here's something that occurred 13 billion years before your literalistic interpretation of creation.  Stuff has been happening for quite a long time now.  Considerably more than 6,000 years, give or take.

Date: 2009/11/05 05:34:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Robert Byers @ Nov. 05 2009,05:30)
YEC is Sherlock Holmes.

Interesting analogy.  How come I don't see much of Sherlock at the crime scene?  It seems the majority of geologists for quite some time have not been YECs.  They are the ones out in the field and in the lab doing research, trying to answer the questions.  What have these YEC geologists been doing?  Could you point me to any actual research?  It would seem that the bulk of the scientists doing the real science would disagree with you.  Why is that?

Date: 2009/11/05 10:10:52, Link
Author: ppb
I just went to Amazon and ordered some batteries for a cordless drill.  When I completed the order, on the left-hand side of the page were some "Recommendations Based on Your Order."  

They were as follows:

    1) Hitachi WH12DAF2 12-Volt Ni-Cad Cordless Impact Driver
    2) Hitachi UB12D Torch 9.6-Volt to 12-Volt Pivoting Head Flashlight
    3) DVD "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed", staring Ben Stein and Richard Dawkins.

Makes perfect sense to me.  :p

Date: 2009/11/05 11:05:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (damitall @ Nov. 05 2009,11:52)
If he doesn't object to his family being vaccinated, why does he not want the vaccine for himself? Seeking martyrdom?

As far as his family being vaccinated, he probably got outvoted by his wife.

Date: 2009/11/05 12:29:32, Link
Author: ppb
Hubble's back!  Better than ever too.  Some great pictures at Phil's place.  Check 'em out.

Date: 2009/11/06 08:20:21, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Robert Byers @ Nov. 05 2009,23:28)
By the way it was bible believing Scotsmen who first studied geology and from a genesis presumption.

Sure, but as the data accumulated, the proportion of geologists approaching the subject from a genesis presumption has gotten rather small.

That's the point.

Date: 2009/11/11 05:52:42, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday dudes!

Date: 2009/11/11 17:47:26, Link
Author: ppb
So, can we have cake now, or do we have to wait for the other birthday boy to show up?

Date: 2009/11/12 17:44:46, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 12 2009,17:29)
STILL GAY, THOUGH.

It's good to hear that through it all he is keeping his carefree, happy attitude.  ;)

Get well soon, Afarensis!

Date: 2009/11/14 20:41:59, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 14 2009,10:39)
Alby - How can I get rid of these monsters?

Since they are Canada Geese you could have them deported.

ETA: You can notify Homeland Security, since they have been known to bring down airliners.

Date: 2009/11/16 12:35:48, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Nov. 16 2009,11:03)
Funny you should say that. During the looonng thread, i always envisioned FtK as a blond Palin (Sarah, not Mickael. Mickael is almost God in my book)...

Date: 2009/11/18 17:34:41, Link
Author: ppb
It must be selling so well because all the evolutionary biologists are buying it up.  They're the target audience, aren't they?  :)

Date: 2009/11/19 10:11:37, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday Heddle

Date: 2009/11/19 11:27:13, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Wolfhound @ Nov. 19 2009,10:12)
I'll bring the Slip N' Slide™!

I thought you were bringing the batteries.

Date: 2009/11/20 09:14:47, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Cubist @ Nov. 20 2009,04:38)
For future reference: The typeface used for "It's good to be" is Brush Script. The Photoshopped-in "a Sexy Right-Wingnut" uses a different typeface, which I think is Linotype Script, but I am not at all sure. Alas, the person who modified this image did not match the font very well...

When I look at the picture, I'm not noticing the font.

Date: 2009/12/01 15:30:28, Link
Author: ppb
This one's for Carlsonjok.  Domestic Horse Ridden Further Back in Time.

Date: 2009/12/02 11:40:38, Link
Author: ppb
There's a paper in the November 25 PLoS ONE that should interest Wes.  It's about variation in raptor talons and how they are used to restrain and imobilize prey.  

http://www.plosone.org/article....0007999

ETA: It even made Blog Pick of the Month on the PLoS ONE Community Blog.

Date: 2009/12/10 05:44:31, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Freddie @ Dec. 10 2009,04:21)
[URL=http://"www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Mysterious-light-appears-over-Norway-befor



e-Obama-Peace-Prize-speech"]This[/URL] is going to drive the whole ID community into a complete frenzy.

Strange spiral lights seen (and video'd) in the sky above Norway the night before Obama arrives to collect his Nobel Prize.   BTW - this is just one of the more outlandish reports, but the video is carried by the BBC and others as well.  

Time to break out the Explanatory Filter, anyone?

Phil Plait has already Explanatoried it.  Failed Russian rocket launch.  Unintelligently designed?

Very cool pictures though.

Date: 2009/12/10 09:16:06, Link
Author: ppb
This is just too cool.  

There is a hexagonal weather pattern around Saturn's north pole.

It is apparently some sort of standing wave thingie.  

Date: 2009/12/11 10:22:22, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (inquiry @ Dec. 11 2009,11:04)
Quote (Robin @ Dec. 11 2009,09:05)
So you understand what you are asking, Inquiry, fish to amphibian would be a completely new class - waaaay beyond merely a change in "kind" or "species". It's no wonder you don't understand or accept evolution - you think it about changes at levels that evolution doesn't speak to.

So in other words there is no evidence to support the idea of macroevolution?

For the ToE, the only difference between micro and macro evolution is loads of time.  There is lots of evidence for macroevolution in the fossil record.  Take a look at Tiktaalik as one example of macroevolution.  Tiktaalik is but one stop in the transition from fins to limbs.  That's macroevolution.

Date: 2009/12/11 11:51:30, Link
Author: ppb
Lou, don't be so modest.  You've got a freekin' python around your neck.  How cool is that!  :)

Date: 2009/12/11 12:43:03, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 11 2009,13:19)
IS KNOW-WON GOING TWO DO A SNAKE / PEEPEE JOKE?

Where's Arden when you need him?

Date: 2009/12/12 21:59:03, Link
Author: ppb


Happy Birthday Wolfhound!

So how old are you in dog years?

Date: 2009/12/15 14:22:40, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (deadman_932 @ Dec. 15 2009,14:02)
Don't fret, Wolfie -- Louis is alive and well and taking a look at a new career as an English fashion consultant:

Deadman,
I think you've got a picture of Louis' "mum" there.  You'll have to ask Arden to be sure, as he and Louis' mum are very close.

This is Louis:

Date: 2009/12/15 21:05:06, Link
Author: ppb
My Canon Rebel XT lets me save images as both raw and jpeg simultaneously.  You can have a raw image to play with if you need it, but also have a jpeg ready to use right away.  Make sure you have a large enough memory card though as this will use up the space more quickly.

Date: 2009/12/23 09:52:19, Link
Author: ppb
Joyeux anniversaire Jeannot.

Go out and celebrate.

Date: 2009/12/23 09:57:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Chayanov @ Dec. 23 2009,10:18)
Well, gee, in that verse you quoted Paul said Jesus will come back in his lifetime, and since Paul's dead and Jesus didn't come back, I don't see where the "out" is.

Oh yeah. And there's no evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus ever actually existed.

No, that whole "Paul is dead" thing is just a rumor.

Date: 2009/12/23 13:00:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Chayanov @ Dec. 23 2009,11:39)
Quote (ppb @ Dec. 23 2009,09:57)
 
Quote (Chayanov @ Dec. 23 2009,10:18)
Well, gee, in that verse you quoted Paul said Jesus will come back in his lifetime, and since Paul's dead and Jesus didn't come back, I don't see where the "out" is.

Oh yeah. And there's no evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus ever actually existed.

No, that whole "Paul is dead" thing is just a rumor.

Of course, the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

I have an inordinate fondness for Beatles.

Date: 2009/12/30 17:26:00, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 30 2009,17:39)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 30 2009,13:48)
Ben Stein

 
Quote
I have a very hard time believing that Ben Stein has never heard that argument made before. Saying you disagree with it is one thing. Pretending you've never heard the argument made is ridiculous.

Ben Stein - A True Polytard™ - Wrong in many different disciplines.

He's a real Jack of all Tards.

Date: 2010/01/05 22:24:11, Link
Author: ppb
Hubble shows stuff happening 13.2 billion years ago.  That takes us back to within half a billion years of the Big Bang.

Date: 2010/01/07 10:34:26, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 06 2010,16:18)
Quote (ppb @ Jan. 05 2010,22:24)
Hubble shows stuff happening 13.2 billion years ago.  That takes us back to within half a billion years of the Big Bang.

by 13.2 you mean 0.0000006

13.2 billion years or 6 thousand.  It's somewhere in that range.

What difference does several orders of magnitude make among friends?

Date: 2010/01/11 11:49:07, Link
Author: ppb
Some people will go to any length to get Louis to come out of hiding.  :)

Get well quick!  So many birds, so little time.

Date: 2010/01/25 08:23:13, Link
Author: ppb
I'm a little late to the party, but happy birthday to you both.

Date: 2010/02/10 15:00:32, Link
Author: ppb
This is my kind of science!  Turns out that beer may be good for building bones.

It is a very good source of dietary silicon.

I knew there was a reason for drinking it.  :)

Date: 2010/02/18 08:07:09, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (She-devil @ Feb. 17 2010,23:13)
my bio professor assigned us a tutor (mandatory), and when I went to him he spouted ID and said that evolution goes backwards and totally randomly, etc (using whales "returning" to the ocean as an example) . I refuse to get bio tutoring from someone who doesn't even believe what they are suppposed to be teaching. And I had an english 101 prefessor who said that evolution asserts that when your car gets older it gets better, not worse :O

When I got my Bachelors degree in Biology from a state university, one of my Biology professors was actually a YEC.  He came to it late in life, I gathered, after going from a mild mannered Methodist to a rolling in the aisles Assembly of God pentecostal.  

He was near retirement and relegated to teaching microbiology lab.  He didn't talk about creationism in class, but talked with students outside the classroom.  I got my first exposure to creationism from him.  He told me that biologists date fossils from the rocks they are found in, and geologists date rocks by the fossils found in them.  Circular reasoning!!!

Even as a freshman biology student I knew it was crap.

Date: 2010/02/18 14:47:33, Link
Author: ppb
Bob O'H,

I freely will you to have a happy birthday.

Date: 2010/02/19 13:33:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 19 2010,13:37)
If wills were free, lawyers wouldn't make any money helping people write them.

http://www.freewills.com/

Date: 2010/02/19 14:14:21, Link
Author: ppb
Here's a little Evolution Rap, courtesy of Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy blog.

Enjoy!

Date: 2010/02/24 10:21:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:46)
Front-loading is a dumb idea but evolution via an accumulation of genetic accidents isn't?

No that is funny...

Evolution by natural selection is supported by 150 years of accumulated evidence.  Front-loading... not so much.

So yeah, it's a pretty dumb idea.

Date: 2010/02/24 10:33:30, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday Amadan!

Date: 2010/02/24 10:36:00, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,11:31)
Too bad evolution by natural selection hasn't been shown to do very much.

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

In what way?  Where is the research to support baraminology?

Date: 2010/02/24 11:01:36, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,11:47)
All experiments and observations support baraminology.

There isn't any experiments that support universal common descent via an accumulation of genetic accidents.

I doubt the scientists doing the actual research would agree with your assessment.  I still would like to know in what way it is supported.  I don't see it.

Date: 2010/02/24 11:09:27, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,12:05)
Those scientists cannot refute what I said.

If you want to know how it is supported then do a little research.

You will find that bacteria evolve into bacteria.

You will find that no one knows if the transformations required are even possible.

So have at it and stop taking the word of people with an agenda.

That is what I did thirty years ago...

I don't take the word of people with an agenda.

Guess that's why I'm not a cdesign proponentist.

Date: 2010/02/24 11:37:01, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,12:05)
Those scientists cannot refute what I said.

If you want to know how it is supported then do a little research.

You will find that bacteria evolve into bacteria.

You will find that no one knows if the transformations required are even possible.

So have at it and stop taking the word of people with an agenda.

That is what I did thirty years ago...

Thirty years ago I was finishing up my degree in Biology.  I am not a working scientist, but I have tremendous respect for the people who do the actual hard work of science.  They spend years trying to gain a better understanding of how the world works.  To paraphrase Newton, we see further because we are standing on the shoulders of giants.

The Creation Scientists and ID proponents I am familiar with do not do much of their own research.  They mostly cherry pick and misrepresent the work of others to promote their own agenda.  They don't get published much, either in the mainstream scientific journals, or even their own publications.  They prefer to write popular books for their audience, but the scientific community is not impressed.

Date: 2010/02/24 11:52:59, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,12:45)
Great, then why can't you find some data that supoorts your position?

They do.  You just prefer to ignore it.

Ever read "The Beak of the Finch"?  A great example of real scientists spending years collecting data in support of Evolution.

Of course you can look here for lots more references.

Where are the baraminologists reporting their research to support their position?

Date: 2010/02/24 12:13:47, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,12:45)
Great, then why can't you find some data that supoorts your position?

One of my favorite examples of evolution is the mammalian inner ear.  It's development from the bones in the jaws of reptiles is supported by transitional fossils as well as evidence from embryology.

Now, where is that research by baraminologists?

Date: 2010/02/24 14:34:41, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 24 2010,14:20)
Don't forget, Joe G. is multiply tardgasmic.  This could go on for a very long time.

I think his tardrection lasted more than 4 hours.  Perhaps he's gone to seek medical advice.

Date: 2010/02/25 08:33:17, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 25 2010,09:19)
 
Quote
"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
Quote
"that fucking COX2-inhibitor"


   
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 25 2010,03:30)
Unfortunately I don't know precisely how the generators work, I have enough to worry about making the damn things/getting them to work etc. Usually they're referred to as "that fucking COX2-inhibitor" or something similar. ;-)

Louis

Marketing gold, my friend.  Marketing gold...

"Ask your doctor about that fucking COX2-inhibitor"

Date: 2010/02/26 09:47:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 25 2010,20:35)
Quote (ppb @ Feb. 24 2010,12:13)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,12:45)
Great, then why can't you find some data that supoorts your position?

One of my favorite examples of evolution is the mammalian inner ear.  It's development from the bones in the jaws of reptiles is supported by transitional fossils as well as evidence from embryology.

Now, where is that research by baraminologists?

That example exists only in your minds.

There isn't any genetic data that supports the transformation.

It isn't supported by embryology- just because the structures come from the same area doesn't mean squat.

When some scientist goes into a lab, manipulates a reptilian embryo such that it develops a mammaliam middle ear then you will have support.

Until then all you have is imagination.

Which, so far, is more than I have seen from you concerning baraminology.  Who is doing research in this area?  Where is the data that supports it?  I haven't seen anything from you or from anyone.

Date: 2010/02/26 10:46:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 26 2010,11:07)
 
Quote (ppb @ Feb. 26 2010,09:47)
Which, so far, is more than I have seen from you concerning baraminology.  Who is doing research in this area?  Where is the data that supports it?  I haven't seen anything from you or from anyone.

The reason Joe/tough guy won't link to it is that it is even more ridiculous than he is, and he wants to remain king of this molehill.

But the Creation Science Quarterly is good for lulz. Here's a recent article by the inimitable Jerry Bergman on "Why the inverted retina of the human eye is a good design"!

Thanks for the link Albie.  That's more information than I ever got out of Joey boy.  

I found this article on the current state of Baraminology to be pretty enlightening.  As far as I can tell, they use various arbitrary methods to lump things together to try and guess what the original "kinds" were.  I didn't see any attempt to understand what sort of barrier would prevent one "kind" from evolving into another "kind", which is what I would really like from Joe.  So far all I see is a lot of guess work, grounded on the belief in the Genesis creation account(s).  As we like to say, all science so far!  :)

Is that really the current state of Baraminology?  Pretty pitiful.

Date: 2010/02/26 13:18:46, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 25 2010,18:07)
Another human vanity squashed:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture....er-8507

Gil will no doubt find the performance "mechanical".

But we're still the only species that can write apps for the iPhone, so there!

Date: 2010/02/27 14:54:34, Link
Author: ppb
Happy birthday to you two young whipper-snappers.

Date: 2010/02/27 20:35:09, Link
Author: ppb

Date: 2010/03/01 13:58:02, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 01 2010,14:09)
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 01 2010,12:47)
 
Quote (Quack @ Mar. 01 2010,09:38)
   
Quote
Sadly the Hillman Minx was before my time, even though it was a lovely* vehicle.

Louis

*Lovely doesn't necessarily mean it worked!

I thought so. But I drove it for two years without a hitch and with the then new-fangled radial tires it was a dream to drive - for that time in history at least.

It had leather upholstery, what we called a 'sofa seat' and a column mounted gear shift handle.

I miss bench seats. So many lost opportunities with buckets.

Way back in high school I had a beater 68 Plymouth Satellite with bench seats.  That led to what back then we called "COD" turns for "come over darling" - a hard right hand corner so your girlfriend would end up in your lap.   Also known as an "SOB" turn - "slide over babe!"

Sadly, my only memory of bench seats is getting stuck sitting between my parents on long trips.  Oh, the trials of being the baby of the family!

Date: 2010/03/02 09:02:55, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 02 2010,04:00)
Quote (Robert Byers @ Mar. 02 2010,02:43)
In fact this creationist would even say bears and dogs are of the same kind from off the ark.

why?

Why not?  It makes about as much sense as anything else he's said.

It's easy when you're just makin' shit up.

Date: 2010/03/02 10:01:01, Link
Author: ppb
Does it seem to you like the days are just whizzing by?
Now we know why.

Date: 2010/03/02 14:01:31, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 02 2010,14:28)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2010,18:18)
Hey, it's something to do when waiting for the next generation of clueless backwoods godbots to pour old creationist wine into supposedly new bottles.

I've always thought the creationist beverage of choice was whine.

In Joe G's case he prefers drinking the Kool Aid.

Date: 2010/03/03 19:34:53, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 03 2010,19:22)
Quote (snoeman @ April 18 2007,06:27)

I ask because I've always liked the German version of "vacuum cleaner," i.e., "Staubsauger" or "Dust Sucker."  Equally descriptive, and more pithy, in my opinion.


Or "glove": "Handschuh".  Heh heh.

I've always had a fondness for the word Auspuff, meaning auto exhaust.

Date: 2010/03/04 11:05:32, Link
Author: ppb
I'm in the middle of reading this book:



I find out yesterday that I should be reading this book:



It's the Abraham Lincoln Doris Kearns Goodwin won't tell you about!  
Sure, she'll talk about the rail splitter, the Great Emancipator.  
But did you know that our sixteenth President was also a Vampire Hunter?  It's true! *

Soon to be a Major Motion Picture from director Tim Burton. **


* For certain values of "true".  
I mean, how do we know what's really true?  
Did Washington cross the Delaware?  Who knows!  
Were you there?!? ***

** Sweet!

*** NO!

Date: 2010/03/08 19:00:34, Link
Author: ppb
As part of their Evolution Matters series, the Harvard Museum of Natural History is hosting a lecture by Dr. Marc Kirschner, Professor of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School.  Dr. Kirschner will give a talk entitled The Plausibility of Life: Resolving Darwin's Dilemma, where he will discuss his evolutionary theory of how rare and random mutation in organisms can lead to exquisite changes of form and function.

The talk is this Thursday, March 11, at 7:00 PM in the Geological Lecture Hall.  More details here.

Date: 2010/03/08 22:34:24, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 08 2010,22:34)
Quote (ppb @ Mar. 08 2010,17:00)
As part of their Evolution Matters series, the Harvard Museum of Natural History is hosting a lecture by Dr. Marc Kirschner, Professor of Systems Biology at Harvard Medical School.  Dr. Kirschner will give a talk entitled The Plausibility of Life: Resolving Darwin's Dilemma, where he will discuss his evolutionary theory of how rare and random mutation in organisms can lead to exquisite changes of form and function.

The talk is this Thursday, March 11, at 7:00 PM in the Geological Lecture Hall.  More details here.

"his" theory? Kirschner's, or Darwin's?

I think he has a new theory about the brontosaurus.

Date: 2010/03/10 13:06:04, Link
Author: ppb
Einstein was right...again.

New research shows Einstein's General Relativity Theory works even at the scale of galaxy clusters.

Date: 2010/03/11 17:50:08, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 11 2010,11:58)
But Robin, Joe is a professional astronomer!  He knows his planetary nebulae and he has read more than a hundred papers on the formation of planetary systems!

Given JoeG's fixation on the word asshole I'd say his specialty is Uranus.

Date: 2010/03/15 16:34:23, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 15 2010,16:28)
At least some Canadians can think and do experiments.

Canadian teenager finds bacteria that degrade plastic bags.

Way to go Canada!

You'd think if a Canadian high-school student can do good quality science, some of those ID elites could figure it out too, if they wanted to.

Date: 2010/03/17 10:51:50, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 17 2010,10:56)
I suppose we could, but in a way isn't this us giving Alan a present...a present of inane rambling bullshit but a present all the same!

;-)

Louis

If you want to give him inane rambling bullshit you should get Robert Byers to post here.

On topic though,  Happy (belated) Birfday Alan!

ETA to add obligatory lolcat:

Date: 2010/03/17 10:54:14, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 17 2010,11:35)
Quote
There’s a fifth group of posts at the Disco’tute: Casey Luskin whining about Dover.

Casey would like the spelling changed to Do-over.

Turned out to be more of a Doh!-ver though.

Date: 2010/03/17 13:40:43, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 17 2010,12:24)
That was "inane rambling bullshit" not "insane rambling bullshit". Biiiiiiiiiiiiig difference!

Louis

Actually, if you understand Byer's theory of things that look kind of like other things, they pretty much are the same thing.

Date: 2010/03/22 08:46:31, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday Kristine!

Date: 2010/03/23 14:03:28, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 23 2010,13:19)
Quote (Tom Ames @ Mar. 23 2010,12:05)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 23 2010,08:56)
Why would observation (or not) of daylight saving time matter? Are these Mornington Crescent trips timed?

Not at all. Rather, it's because your red tokens can't be shunted towards the secondary nexus when the obverse of the lane marker is exposed. (Which state is dependent--in part!--on the solar angle.)

I get the impression one has to be British or under the influence of drugs to grasp what you are talking about.

While Amandan's excellent link is useful as an in-depth analysis of the rules, you might find this link more useful for the beginner.

Date: 2010/03/23 15:58:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (khan @ Mar. 23 2010,16:29)
Congratulations!

(All babies look like Winston Churchill.)

Are you suggesting that Winston Churchill is reading Erasmus' meter?

Congratulations to Erasmus and family.

Date: 2010/03/23 20:48:25, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 23 2010,13:19)
   
I get the impression one has to be British or under the influence of drugs to grasp what you are talking about.

sparc,
As you suspected, these are the drugs talking.

Quote (Tom Ames @ Mar. 23 2010,21:09)
Oh please.

That Wikipedia entry's been locked down since the Northwest Regional Qualifying Melees three years ago. The disgraceful play by Finlandia U's team led to a near riot in their home city of Hancock, MI.

Ever since there has been a concerted effort by the Octoberist Consortium to whitewash the game's history. Just look at who's been making all of the Wikipedia reversions--if they haven't been disappeared--and tell me that the IP addresses don't reveal a disturbing story indeed.

I can fax you the real rules, if you're willing to give me your phone number and accept a (long) collect call.

There's a Dollis Hill play on the table, by the way. (Under the table, actually, but I didn't want to just come out and say so.)

Date: 2010/03/24 20:43:32, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 24 2010,21:07)
Umm, there is this from Ankel-Simons Primate Anatomy:

 
Quote
This condition is especially demanding in those primates in which the inner diameter of the female pelvis and the circumference of the fullterm newborn offspring are critically close to each other - for example, in some macaques, in some New World Monkeys (Namely Saimiri and Cebus)..., and in Homo sapiens. In such primates the infant may be unable to pass through the canal during labor and both mother and infant may die because of this. Only humans are able to remedy this critical situation by means of surgical interference (cesarean section). This crucial "bottleneck" situation exists in other nonhuman primates that combine single births, highly developed brains, and newborns that are relatively large in correlation to the sacroiliac articulation.
(All bolding and emphasis in the above quote were added by me.)

So, there you have it, a number of female primates feel pain during childbirth for exactly the same reason human females do - it is caused by a trade off between locomotion, birth, and resting posture. Apparently no intervention by god(s) is needed.

I think it must be part of that "Intelligent" Design we keep hearing about.

ETA:   OK, I jest, but here is a perfect example of real science explaining a particular phenomenon (painful and dangerous childbirth) by looking at the data from anatomy, physiology, etc.  Creation "Science" gives us a story about Eve being naughty and all her female descendants having to pay the consequences.

Which is more evidence based?

Date: 2010/03/24 21:37:06, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (cdanner @ Mar. 24 2010,17:55)
It truly is fascinating to read the majority of these posts trashing a person that many of you have never met.

cdanner,

I have never met Dr. Dembski personally, but my one encounter with him on his own forum showed me he is not interested in free and open discussion.

You will not get such treatment here.  If you are interested in talking science, there are many here who will be happy to discuss it with you.

Date: 2010/03/25 10:29:52, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 25 2010,11:24)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 25 2010,09:42)
... I zoomed back to SimGran, ran the calendar forward and there he was, posting his horseshit on UD.

(remember to recycle)

POTW!!! 111 ELEVENNTY!!

Seconded!

Date: 2010/03/25 12:59:43, Link
Author: ppb
Doesn't everyone get a medal, just like Special Olympics?

Date: 2010/03/25 17:35:01, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 25 2010,18:31)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 25 2010,22:24)
On average, I see what you mean.

Oh that's the mode of discussion now is it?

Louis

That's par for the course.

Date: 2010/03/26 15:22:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 26 2010,15:12)
Some of you Americans seem to think that Mornington Crescent is somehow like Calvinball, an entirely ruleless and fictional game.

Calvinball is NOT fictional!

Heathen!

Date: 2010/03/28 13:57:00, Link
Author: ppb
HBD B3K!

Date: 2010/03/29 07:58:41, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 28 2010,10:38)
 
Quote
To put it mildly, this minimization of poisonous elements, and “explosion” of useful minerals, is strong evidence for Intelligently Designed terra-forming of the earth that “just so happens” to be of great benefit to modern man

Somebody should ask him how long it took for the "terraforming" to occur...

AIG says microbes came along on Day 3 of creation, so that gives
The Designer ™ 3 whole days to make the earth people friendly.

Date: 2010/03/29 12:17:18, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2010,12:25)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 18 2010,20:21)
Dang, he came back and I was too busy at work.

Oh well, he's just a great steaming pile of putrid pachyderm pustulance who's too scared to answer a simple question like 'how to calculate CSI?'.

I guess the fact that Dembski can't answer it either shouldn't inspire to suggest that such a pitiful example of the misery of the human condition could answer such a simple little question.

I guess fame and fortune will never amass to Joe, for he lost all the money he was going to use for research in buying up Grand Nationals when he heard they were 'destined to be a classic'.

So very, very sad.

Why Joe, I had such high hope for you, being the expert in ID and all and lying at the feet (ahem) of the master (in baiting), would explain such an absurdly simple concept as 'how do you calculate specified complexity?'

You don't calculate CSI you measure it.

Well you measure the specified information to see if CSI is present.

Measure it or calculate it, whatever the hell you're supposed to do, you still can't show us you can do anything with it.

ETA: spelling

Date: 2010/03/29 13:05:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2010,13:58)
Quote (BillB @ Mar. 29 2010,11:35)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2010,17:23)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 16 2010,16:53)
Anyone looking for a sig?

Joe G:
     
Quote
Hail is made out of water?

Are you really that stupid?

Hail is made out of ice.

Rain is water.

Retardation runs deep at atbc...

Ice is water that has frozen, water is a chemical substance composed of hydrogen and oxygen.  Water doesn't stop being water when its temperature drops and it enters a solid phase, equally it doesn't stop being water when it boils (which is why they call it water vapor) - All three phases of the substance are forms of WATER.

Hail is made from water, just like rain.

Water is a liquid.

Hail is not a liquid, is it?

Water is a molecule.  Liquid is a state.  Understand the difference?

Edited for clarity.

Date: 2010/03/29 13:18:53, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2010,14:00)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 29 2010,12:14)
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 29 2010,11:25)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 18 2010,20:21)
Dang, he came back and I was too busy at work.

Oh well, he's just a great steaming pile of putrid pachyderm pustulance who's too scared to answer a simple question like 'how to calculate CSI?'.

I guess the fact that Dembski can't answer it either shouldn't inspire to suggest that such a pitiful example of the misery of the human condition could answer such a simple little question.

I guess fame and fortune will never amass to Joe, for he lost all the money he was going to use for research in buying up Grand Nationals when he heard they were 'destined to be a classic'.

So very, very sad.

Why Joe, I had such high hope for you, being the expert in ID and all and lying at the feet (ahem) of the master (in baiting), would explain such an absurdly simple concept as 'how do you calculate specified complexity?'

You don't calculate CSI you measure it.

Well you measure the specified information to see if CSI is present.

Excellent.  What device do we use to measure the specified information?  What units is specified information measured in?

Pick any three objects, organisms, or material structures and measure their specified information.  Please explain why you measured them that way and why the results are as they are.

kthnx

measuring information/ specified complexity

And if you have something to say then post it on my blog.

This forum isn't a place for a discussion.

Is that the best example of CSI measurement you can come up with?  Doing a word count of a dictionary definition?  How does that tell you anything about anything?

Date: 2010/04/12 08:43:07, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2010/04/12 13:44:03, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 12 2010,13:57)
Hmm.. I was sure I'd just read that the three most common introduced species in the States were the Common Grackle, the European Starling, and the Rock Pigeon. I must be misremembering.

Lou,

Nice pictures, again.  I like grackles too.  They look real cool with their iridescent heads.

As for your misremembered top three introduced birds, you could replace grackle with house sparrow and you would probably be correct.

Date: 2010/04/12 15:05:47, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 12 2010,15:55)
Yep, well y'know what Meatloaf said, "Two outta three ain't bad."

That's OK.  We grant partial credit here.  :)

Date: 2010/04/13 15:32:39, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ April 13 2010,16:22)
(2) Dembski never said that "ID is religious."  He has not retracted his claim that ID is a scientific hypothesis.

He did say that "Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of Information theory."

Sounds religious to me.

Date: 2010/04/14 11:50:30, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Wolfhound @ April 14 2010,12:05)
A group shot, minus Mrs. Elsberry, who joined us later.  Not sure why I look so sheepish but Wes and I are stooping to make sure our heads stayed in the frame.


I see the good Professor Steve Steve was able to make it to the party, or at least his stunt double.

Date: 2010/04/14 12:54:42, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 14 2010,13:36)
Quote (Robin @ April 14 2010,09:37)
Quote (FloydLee @ April 13 2010,17:12)

 
Quote
If Dembski's specific 3-point hypothesis survives the falsification process,


LOL! Sorry FL, but unless Dembski publishes his "hypothesis" under the guidelines of the Scientific Method - which would include an actual scientific body for peer review - it won't be taken seriously or accepted as science. Dembski refuses to actually treat his "work" scientifically, preferring instead to publish it as popular philosophy in book form to general audiences. That's up to him of course - I don't begrudge the man making a buck or two off the rubes. But the fact is, right now nothing from ID has entered any scientific process, never mind falsification specifically, because Demski has chosen not to go that route.

I think the actual statement from Dembski was "[we don't need that] pathetic level of detail"

Makes one wonder what level of detail is required...

For ID, the less detail the better.  It's like seeing the face on Mars or Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich.  If you look too close it spoils the illusion.

Date: 2010/04/14 14:29:40, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 14 2010,15:18)
So, the main proponent of ID says that it is basically useless...

It's not entirely useless.  

Thanks to ID, DrDrD can afford nice sweaters.

Date: 2010/04/14 15:35:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (FloydLee @ April 14 2010,16:14)
Quote
True, there may be dots to be connected. But there may also be fundamental discontinuities, and with IC systems that is what ID is discovering. -- William Dembski


Anyone have a published disproof of that statement?

FL

What IC systems might it be that ID is discovering?  Can you name any?

Date: 2010/04/16 07:35:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (bjray @ April 16 2010,01:57)
What I am getting at/what I am working out in my head is how can evolutionary proponents praise the man for starting something that he (Charles Darwin) never intended for his "theory" to do? Now, I obviously cannot tell his intentions, but it he was not even so sure about everything he said!

bjray,

Darwin's book was called "On the Origin of Species".  That's what his theory is about.  How did the great variety of species that we observe throughout time and in various places around the world come about.  A lot of people were considering the question at the time.  He was an excellent observer and a very rational thinker and was able to put it all together in a very coherent way.  Who is praising Darwin for anything beyond that?

The Theory of Evolution is about the great variety of life.  It is a biological theory and does not deal with the question of the origin of anything else.  150 years of research has only enhanced and strengthened it.  It really is the foundation of modern biology.

There are implications to the theory that cause some discomfort to certain religious sensibilities.  This is at the heart of most of the opposition to the theory.  For some people, Evolution represents a turning away from God, as they understand God.  Evolution is a word which means change over time.  Opponents often conflate the Theory of Evolution with cosmology and theories on the creation of the universe.  To their mind they are related, since Genesis talks about the origin of the world as well as all living things on it.

So, I encourage you to continue to investigate and ask questions.  It is a very interesting subject.

Edited for clarity.

Date: 2010/04/21 13:01:22, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (JohnW @ April 21 2010,13:15)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 21 2010,09:40)
"I should mention that for about 30 minutes, the possessed woman actually levitated about half a foot in the air."

..but no-one had a camera phone.

That's pathetic.  I can levitate my whole foot.

He's a witch.
Burn him!

Date: 2010/04/23 08:37:32, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (bjray @ April 23 2010,00:41)
Is it simply that because Creationists attribute what might be a scientifically explainable event to an Intelligent Designer the primary issue? Or, is it t because Creationists do not use evolution to help explain their work?

bjray,
Science is all about the evidence.  Attributing anything to God (what you really mean when you say "Intelligent Designer") is as useful as attributing it to Santa Clause, if you have no supporting evidence.  Biological evolution has a tremendous amount of supporting evidence.

ID, on the other hand, does not.  If you can point us to any, we would all like to see it.  Without that evidence it is, as you said, just god-of-the-gaps.  If it has merit, it will be useful to any scientist regardless of their religious or philosophical leanings.  So far we haven't seen Dembski or Behe use any of their ideas for anything useful.

The primary issue as I see it is people using ID or Creation Science or "Teach the Controversy" or whatever as a means to force their religions notions into science classrooms.  This violates the religious freedom of those who do not share your notions of an "intelligent designer", and it interferes with good science education.  I don't want my kids taught ID/Creationism as if it were a legitimate scientific theory.  It is very clearly religious thinking, and it has no place in a science classroom.

Lastly, you continue to mix cosmology with biology.  Creationists do this all the time.  Real scientists do not.  Evolution is a theory about the diversity of life on this planet.  How can you not get this?

Date: 2010/04/24 11:09:05, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 24 2010,08:16)
(And don't go on about junk DNA, Gould predicted function for junk DNA before ID even existed.)

And besides, there is nothing in ID theory that says anything about junk DNA.  How is it a prediction of ID that all DNA would have some functionality if you can't know anything about the designer?

Date: 2010/04/26 08:26:11, Link
Author: ppb
A few days ago my dog discovered a turkey sitting behind a tree on the edge
of our yard.  It was just sitting there while my dog was about 3 feet away
behind a fence, barking her head off.  The turkey didn't move.

I assumed it was nesting, but I couldn't tell for certain, as there was nothing
visible other than the bird itself.  My wife and I set up some barriers to keep
the dogs away and occasionally peeked in to see if the turkey was still there.  

She stuck around for a few days, but this morning all I saw was this:



I don't know if she abandoned the nest, or if she was out on her
coffee break.  Any ideas on whether they leave their nests like this?  

The picture was taken around 7:30 EDT.

Date: 2010/04/26 09:08:50, Link
Author: ppb
Paul,
Thanks for the link.  I had been googling around and found out that wild turkeys
typically lay 10 to 12 eggs, one per day.  Given that I see 8 eggs here, she probably
isn't done yet.

I also read that while they are still laying, they will cover the eggs with leaves
when they go out to feed.

Once the last egg is laid, she will incubate them for 26 to 28 days before
they hatch.

My wife reports that the mom is back on the job now.

I'll post more pictures as things develop.

Date: 2010/04/26 12:49:48, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ April 26 2010,13:40)
Quote (Henry J @ April 26 2010,10:13)
Quote
(Paul Flocken @ April 26 2010,11:12)
What is a species is good, but I would like him to explain in his own words why C14 dating is useless for dating dinosaurs.

Because they prefer chocolate and flowers?

Coconuts!

That was only pre-eden.  Now they play hard to get.

Date: 2010/04/26 18:17:10, Link
Author: ppb
Here's a picture of mom, safe at home.

Date: 2010/04/27 08:39:21, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Texas Teach @ April 26 2010,18:57)
 
Quote (Louis @ April 26 2010,09:57)
I too am a superhero, it's just my superpowers are rubbish.

Louis

I've always thought your powers of mockery were quite good.  Of course, maybe it's just the fact that you're English that makes the mockery seem so gentlemanly that we should thank you for using it on us?

I agree that when it comes to mockery, Louis is indeed a superhero.

After seeing one of the X-Men movies I told my son that I was a mutant.  
When he asked me what my superpower was, I told him I had the ability to digest milk as an adult.

He was not impressed.

Date: 2010/04/27 14:28:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Paul Flocken @ April 27 2010,14:58)
I stumbled over this and wondered if it is a new claim or something old.
     
Quote
A CREATION MODEL.
Creation biologists have developed a statistical model to compare the physical traits of various creatures to help determine whether they belonged to the same original “created kind.”


Found here
in the second blue highlighted section about half way down the page.

Sounds like Baraminology to me.
I don't think it's particularly new.

Date: 2010/04/29 08:48:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 29 2010,09:25)
Alaskan Megaflood - unfortunately for YECs it was 17,000 years ago and caused by a lake breaking through an ice dam.  But still, 1400 cubic km of water is a lot... even if it didn't rain.

Hey, the picture in the article is of Wasilla, Alaska.  
Sarah Palin could see The Flood from her house.

Date: 2010/05/01 16:27:36, Link
Author: ppb
Happy birthday to you both.

Date: 2010/05/06 09:18:13, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Mindrover @ May 06 2010,08:30)
(I seriously need to work on my insults if I'm to get anywhere in ID.  :( )

You need  more of JoeG's anal fixation to get the right tone.

Date: 2010/05/07 14:54:10, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ May 06 2010,18:06)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 06 2010,15:24)
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi....1188021

A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome

I looked, and I looked, but no Dembski, Behe, Wells or  other IDer could I find.  No doubt, the Evil Darwinist Truth, Not Fantasy Cabal is still in action.

However, I did find this link too, and I see that some of your ancestors got lucky...

Some Homos Got Lucky

No offense J-Dog, but I don't understand the attraction to Neandertal chicks.
To me they are loud and obnoxious, they smell bad.  Not a brain in their head.

Take this one for instance... Please!

Date: 2010/05/12 16:08:45, Link
Author: ppb
Interesting statistical analysis adds support to there being a single common ancestor.
 
It's reported in this week's Nature:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v465/n7295/full/465168a.html#/


ETA: Oops.  Meant to post this on the science thread.
It's cool anyway, and a good contrast to the crap UD puts out.

Date: 2010/05/17 20:22:22, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 17 2010,18:28)
Ayala did testify under oath, in McLean v. Arkansas in 1981.

Unfortunately, the transcript of his testimony is missing and probably irrecoverable at this point.

His testimony may not be available but we do have his deposition online.

Date: 2010/05/19 14:32:31, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (curiousgeorge @ May 19 2010,11:07)
I would be interested in hearing the counter arguments to what he is saying rather than seeing people try to brush it off.

Anyone care to do so?

He says "In fact the evolutionary paradigm I’m about to share with you was first proposed more than 60 years ago. It was an object of derision and ridicule until it won the Nobel Prize for Science in 1983."

There is no Nobel Prize for "Science".

ETA:  Maybe he meant Barbara McClintock, for her work on horizontal gene transfer.  
If her work was ridiculed, why was she given the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine?

Date: 2010/05/19 14:47:10, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (khan @ May 18 2010,21:02)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 18 2010,20:44)
Quote (khan @ May 18 2010,19:36)
Need a name...

It flew away before I could get a photo.

It was a medium sized black bird with a white tail.

I've always been partial to the name Fred...

But seriously, it will be easier to narrow down the list if you give us a geographic location where the bird was seen.

Thanks

SW Ohio
Semi-rural

I think some forms of albinism can produce white tail feathers on a normally all black bird.  Except for the tail feathers, did it look like anything else?

Date: 2010/05/19 18:10:11, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (curiousgeorge @ May 19 2010,19:03)
So no serious responses as of yet...

The website doesn't give us much to comment on without subscribing.  Perhaps you could post something of substance from there and we can respond to it.

My earlier post addressed some misinformation from the web site.  Care to respond to that?

Date: 2010/05/19 20:57:36, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (BillB @ May 19 2010,19:12)
i dun haz PhD (subject to minor corrections)
Now I shall get very drunk.
Yippee!

Congratulations!
Drinks are on me.

Date: 2010/05/21 10:47:19, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (dogdidit @ May 21 2010,09:48)
That's why the Ariane rockets are moved to French Guiana for launch: the equatorial regions are higher up in the gravity well. *snigger* Talk about being accidentally right...

Equatorial launches are also an easier path to geosynchronous orbit where most communications satellites end up.

Date: 2010/05/21 12:33:15, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 21 2010,13:07)
Quote
He's asking me out on a date? How sweet.


Ask him if he's a top or a bottom.

Quark, that is.

He's definitely no charm.

Date: 2010/05/21 15:17:08, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Birthday to you... etc.

Date: 2010/05/22 16:02:20, Link
Author: ppb
Congratulations Lou.  That's great.  Keep up the good work!

Date: 2010/05/24 09:32:24, Link
Author: ppb
My wife and I are empty nesters now.  Some time between yesterday afternoon and this morning our wild turkey's chicks hatched.
I was not there to witness the blessed event, but this morning there was nothing left but some empty egg shells.

BEFORE:



AFTER:



No sign of the family.
Let's hope they stay one jump ahead of the coyote we saw last week.

Date: 2010/05/25 09:40:47, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ May 25 2010,10:15)
Quote (Zachriel @ May 25 2010,09:06)
Quote
bornagain77: Dr. Nelson, the question of if Adam had a belly button is indeed a very important one:,,,

The all-important question is whether it was an innie or an outie.

We are getting a preview of a future Doctoral Thesis for Patriot / Liberty University!!!

Or will one of the Dr. Dr. D's student's visit here and
appropriate the topic for his very own?

Really.  Discussing whether of not "Adam" had a belly button?

What century are those UDiots living in?

The real question is, was he created with belly button lint.

To me, it is just as silly to argue that the universe was created 6,000 years ago with just the appearance of 14 billion years of scars and liver spots.

Date: 2010/06/05 08:36:30, Link
Author: ppb
Oh great.  We're getting another visit from the Westboro Baptist Church tomorrow.  They will be picketing the local mega-evangelical church, apparently for not being sufficiently anti-gay.  They've "blessed" us with their presence before.

Date: 2010/06/08 12:56:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 07 2010,22:34)
I've posted a bunch of pics from the Amazon here. Lots of birds, a few flowers and butterflies, and some scenery.

Very awesome pictures!  It looks like you had a great trip.  I'm glad you got to see the bird you most wanted to see.

ETA:  In your honor, I am listening to Philip Glass' Aguas da Amazonia

Date: 2010/06/08 16:17:40, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Peter Henderson @ June 08 2010,14:51)
Anyone have a good way of getting rid of mice ?

The ones I have under my stairs are damned clever. I think they've evolved

Are these USB or PS2 mice?  Mine usually end up in a drawer with my old keyboards.  

Never thought of keeping them under the stairs.

Date: 2010/06/09 11:22:30, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Peter Henderson @ June 08 2010,14:51)
Anyone have a good way of getting rid of mice ?

Here's some tips on how to deal with The Mouse Problem.

Date: 2010/06/13 06:44:24, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Peter Henderson @ June 13 2010,05:29)
Do the Americans even realise the world cup is taking place ?

Oh, we're aware of it.  It even made the Daily Show, as SD mentioned above.

Soccer/Football is just not high on our sports hierarchy.  It has gained some popularity, but it still ranks down on the list.  If a miracle occurred and the US team made the finals I think it would generate a lot of excitement.  

Right now we are in the midst of the NBA finals.  My Celtics are playing the Los Angeles Lakers tonight in game 5.

BEAT LA!   BEAT LA!   BEAT LA!

Date: 2010/06/13 21:28:40, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ June 13 2010,15:53)
Speaking of, who's the first knob who decided to pronounce it "Seltiks", anyway?

Beats the hell outta me.  I just live here.  Don't ask me to explain this crazy place. :D

I was living in Germany in 1990 when they won the World Cup.  
I admit I did come down with a bit of World Cup Fever.
I got better though.

Date: 2010/06/14 18:14:52, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ June 14 2010,17:45)
Quote (Louis @ June 14 2010,15:48)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 14 2010,21:36)
 
Quote (Louis @ June 14 2010,15:30)
   
Quote (keiths @ June 14 2010,18:42)
CBS's take on the England-USA match:
     
Quote
The England soccer team has always enjoyed a special relationship between its face and a covering of yolk.

Or between its behind and someone else's hobnailed boot.

I thought we were talking about football/soccer?

We were.

If it were parliament it would be between the hobnailed boot and their testicles.

Louis

Because Science knows no boundaries, and because we here is all about Internationalism, and in the interest of International harmony and relations,

I Fixed That For You...

If it were parliament and or the U.S. Congress, it would be between the hobnailed boot and their testicles.

I don't think there are any testicles to kick in the US Congress, on either side of the aisle.

Date: 2010/06/15 13:06:22, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 15 2010,13:15)
Okay...

This guy right above me wins the looney-bin award.

I'm not ready to give it to him just yet.  Does he have the staying power of a Byers or an afdave?

I think not.

Date: 2010/06/15 13:26:49, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Ra-Úl @ June 15 2010,14:22)
I think any post with the term 'Teutonic Plates' has to be worth some kind of award.

If that isn't worth a go on Arden, I don't know what is.

Date: 2010/06/16 15:51:35, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 16 2010,07:58)
Good news (from the IEEE Spectrum) for intelligent-designer-philes like Sal! Engineer/computer geek develops sex robots.
   
Quote
Hines devised the skin by encasing a woman—a fine-art model—in silicone and cutting the material away after it solidified. “Roxxxy has three inputs and motors where it counts,” explains Hines. “There’s a lot of heat buildup, so we installed a convection system. Other motors simulate a heartbeat and responsive gestures.”

Chunkdz will have to wait for a bit.
   
Quote
A male version, Rocky, is planned by year’s end. “My wife wants to be a beta tester, which is just desserts for my spending time in the middle of the night with girls covered in silicone,” he says.

It's just more proof of ID theory.  Sex couldn't have evolved.  It requires a designer!   :)

Date: 2010/06/24 08:34:50, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ June 24 2010,04:39)
Quote (Robin @ June 23 2010,17:13)
Quote (someotherguy @ June 23 2010,11:06)

 
Quote
 
Quote (someotherguy @ June 23 2010,08:46)
15 minutes until showtime!

America:  FUCK YEAH.


Well said! What a game!

And Louis...I'm very sorry that you have to put up with more of this from your own countrymen, but really - you should be proud of their amazing performance.

They didn't play too badly did they?

I just want to assure the assembled masses that I was in no way watching any of the match on my office PCon the BBC website with the sound turned off whilst I was meant to be deciding on the best conditions to do a particular ring closing metathesis. That is a vile slandererous lie.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

Louis

Louis,
I never meant to imply that you were deciding on the best conditions to do a particular ring closing metathesis.

My apologies if it came out that way.

Sorry!

Date: 2010/06/25 09:02:02, Link
Author: ppb
PZ is getting some expert advice to help him bet on the World Cup matches.

Date: 2010/07/07 06:46:48, Link
Author: ppb
Late to the party, but Happy Birthday Rich.

Date: 2010/07/10 13:29:19, Link
Author: ppb
Went to the Parker River Wildlife Refuge in NE Massachusetts and saw egrets galore.
Here are a couple.


Snowy Egret


Great Egret

Also saw some Glossy Ibises, but didn't get any pictures of them.

Lots of green headed files too, so we mostly had to stay
in the car and open the window a crack to take pictures.

Date: 2010/07/10 13:35:30, Link
Author: ppb
While out driving, my wife and I found a great place for one-stop shopping
to meet all our spa and burial needs.



Kind of a Hot Tub Tomb Machine.

Date: 2010/07/15 21:24:41, Link
Author: ppb
Happy Happy Birthday Birthday.



I'll leave it to both of you to decide which one is the evil twin.

Date: 2010/07/20 17:08:29, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ July 20 2010,17:47)
Birthdays mean you are not dead. I cannot recommend not being dead highly enough. I have not been dead my entire life, it's a very good idea.

Keep at it.

Louis

"Life is wasted on the living."
Zaphod Beeblebrox the Fourth

Happy Birthday!

Date: 2010/07/21 14:14:56, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 21 2010,05:45)

Gymnocephalus ambriaelacus - Ammersee-Barsch
http://tinyurl.com/37x3vqc
The student has not yet published his thesis, so you must excuse this quote from a Bavarian rag. The article says they have discovered a new species found only in this glacial lake - that means the species can't be older than 10 000 years.
We Bavarians always had a special relationship with God - the Creator - the Designer, but imagine he-she-it-they descended to Bavaria just to create our very own species - whow!

I did my best reading the newspaper article using my rusty German, then did some googling and found the actual paper here, in English.
It's in the July 2010 issue of SPIXIANA, published by the Zoologische Staatssammlung München.

ETA: When I lived in Tübingen, my favorite brew was Dinkelacker CD-Pils.  Sadly, I can't seem to find it anymore here in the US.

Date: 2010/07/22 15:19:51, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 22 2010,16:01)
Quote (Henry J @ July 22 2010,14:10)
...


... ..--..   .-- .... .- -   .. ...   - .... .- -   .- -.   .- -... -... .-. . ...- .. .- - .. --- -.   --- ..-. ..--..

.-.. --- .-..

.--. --- - .-- ..--.

Date: 2010/07/22 15:35:48, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (gravity well @ July 22 2010,06:07)
stop everything! they've found Woodhenge!!

Only Strawhenge left....

um, ok, carry on I guess.

Big deal.  In America ™ we have Carhenge.

Date: 2010/07/26 10:39:05, Link
Author: ppb
He may claim to be 49, but I think he's closer to 3 million.

Happy Birthday Afarensis!

PS to Dvunkannon:  Who is she?  She's Bones.

Date: 2010/07/27 08:41:20, Link
Author: ppb
Sean B. Carroll has a nice article in the New York Times about Ediacaran fossils.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010....science

Date: 2010/07/28 18:51:32, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ July 28 2010,17:20)
Butting in. If we're doing historical sites and airports, then I just wanna say:

Nazca

Now you've done it.  You've played the Zappa/von Däniken variation.  

Since you've opened the door, I'm going to make a move inspired by some genuine ancient astronauts.

Sea of Tranquility

If you don't like it, take a look at this video of someone telling Buzz Aldrin it's not a legal MC move.

Date: 2010/07/28 20:20:05, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (fnxtr @ July 28 2010,19:55)
Chad Kroeger did the same thing to someone outside a Vancouver club who shouted "Nickelback sucks!"

Just sayin'.

Was Chad Kroeger 70 at the time?

Just askin'.

Date: 2010/07/29 09:40:14, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ July 29 2010,05:07)
Beta Centauri? The Sea of Tranquility? I fear these places are not on the London Underground System and thus would not be approved by the MCC*. No one fucks with the MCC.


fnxtr started it.  :angry:

Boston Manor

Date: 2010/08/11 15:23:28, Link
Author: ppb
Looks like Afarensis figured out that you need to bang the rocks together.


Lucy species used stone tools.

ETA: Nature article here.

Date: 2010/08/12 07:43:27, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 11 2010,19:49)
That's right! We gave you bipedalism, a trend of increasing brain size, and tools and sent you out into the world to earn your fortune and do we get as much as a phone call or a card :angry:    Homos!

Bipedalism?  That's so last eon.  What have you done for us lately grandpa?

Ha ha, this is you!

Date: 2010/08/24 07:59:23, Link
Author: ppb


Happy Clown Birthday Blipey!

Date: 2010/08/29 08:38:14, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 28 2010,04:32)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 28 2010,04:53)
You can crash at mine for an evening if that helps. I'm 3 blocks from Grant Park.

Watch out Afarensis! RTH is trying to instingate kinky "no curtains on the guest room" AtBC action.

Take a gun. I understand you Americans have some og them hanging around.

Louis

I've seen the Afarensis family.



I don't think the lack of curtains will be a problem for them.

The kinky RTH AtBC action on the other hand may be a bit too primitive for them.

Date: 2010/10/21 08:15:30, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 20 2010,22:26)
It looks like the  IDCreationist abroad are every bit as serious about doing that sciencey stuff as they are in the USA.

They are serious.  Their research has led them to develop TARDIS technology, thus giving them infinite research capacity inside whilst keeping a low profile on the outside.

Darwinism is doomed, I tell you.  Doomed!

Date: 2010/11/17 07:56:20, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2010,14:49)
E-coli solves suduku

http://www.newscientist.com/article....ku.html

So, if you're working on a tough Sudoku puzzle, it's best to go with your gut.

Date: 2010/11/17 08:59:23, Link
Author: ppb
Congratulations to you and the parents.

I'm not good at coming up with names.  Given the computer geek that I am, I would probably name her Ubuntu or something.

Date: 2010/12/02 13:14:56, Link
Author: ppb
I'm lucky 13!  Good luck Wes.

Date: 2010/12/30 07:23:15, Link
Author: ppb
There have been some awesome bird pics on this thread lately.  I especially liked the wood duck.

We escaped the great east coast blizzard of 2010 by heading south to Florida for Christmas.  I got to take a short birding break and got up close and personal with a Cattle Egret.





I also got some shots of an Osprey.





These were taken on Sand Key in Clearwater.

ETA: Albatrossity tells me the egret is probably a Great Egret, so I bow to his superior bird identification prowess.

Date: 2011/01/21 09:18:59, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Kris @ Jan. 21 2011,09:04)
Science cannot prove that intelligent design or creation, of the universe or biological organisms or their building blocks, are or were impossible.

Kris,
Proving or disproving the existence of a god or an "intelligent designer" is not the goal of Science.  The goal of Science is to understand the world as it is based on a preponderance of evidence.  The weight of that evidence built over the last couple of centuries has supported a 13+ billion year old universe, a 4+ billion year old earth, and the evolution of life on this planet over it's long existence.  It also supports the idea that humans are related to all other life forms on this planet, and that our closest living kin are probably chimpanzees.

If you have evidence to dispute any of this that can stand up to scientific scrutiny you are welcome to present it here.

Date: 2011/01/23 06:31:20, Link
Author: ppb
If it's Lolcats you want:



Happy birthday!

Date: 2011/03/23 22:28:39, Link
Author: ppb
Maybe Kevin should interview Matt Groening.  I've always enjoyed his views on the subject.

Date: 2011/03/28 13:43:47, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 21 2011,11:03)
OK, not my backyard, but this weekend Blanka and I were out at the NY Botanical Garden in the Bronx. We saw some black squirrels, a huge number of robins, and a wild turkey. On Sunday we saw large group of green parrots mixing with the usual street pigeons in Edgewater, NJ and more wild turkeys in Englewood - both towns across the Hudson from NYC.

You didn't see any cobras while you were out and about, did you?  :)

Date: 2011/04/19 20:07:07, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Amadan @ April 19 2011,14:43)
Surely Dembski's big number in the Dover Trial scene should be set to John Cage's 4'33"?

At least for 4'33" the performer shows up.

Date: 2011/04/21 09:07:06, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 20 2011,21:56)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 20 2011,20:45)
Springtime... cute overload... babies...

A very colorful baby turned up in our breezeway last night.


Fortunately, a friend of Jack.

Forget Jack.  Is he a friend of Wes?

At least it's not a devil otter after his mini van.

Once again, very nice shots Lou.

Date: 2011/08/19 15:27:38, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 18 2011,23:33)
 
Quote
Maybe chicken tastes like 'gator, Henry J.

Nah, gator probably tastes more like croc. At least that's what a contestant on Jeopardy once said during a chat with Alex. He'd sampled alligator (I think it was) meat at some point, and Alex asked if it tasted like chicken. The answer: Nope, it tasted like crocodile.

Henry

My family is of Greek ancestry, and my mom grew up in Greece.  Once we took a cousin and his non-Greek wife to a Greek restaurant.  The wife was looking over the menu and wanted to know what squid tasted like, having never had it before.  My mom, trying to be helpful, told her "Oh, it tastes like octopus." :)

Date: 2011/09/14 13:20:34, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 12 2011,20:56)
The TOA, the server handling PT email and AE, and the PT server are three separate machines now.

Reed said the PT server had frozen and had to be rebooted.

www.antievolution.org has been giving me "500 - Internal Server Error" all day.

Date: 2011/11/07 11:46:07, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 07 2011,12:30)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 07 2011,10:50)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 07 2011,10:26)
Please tell me again how y'all observed these 13 billion years of geology and what is this concern/cry troll card that you keep playing?

see... more conflating.

More changing what we were talking about.

I was talking about how we know that the fundamental laws of the universe haven't changed.  How we can observe the formation of stars 13 billion years ago and see that the weak nuclear force hasn't changed since then.

Now you want me to show that we have observed 13 billion years of geology.  Are you on crack?

I'm sorry, I'm using concern troll incorrectly.  What kind of troll is that comes in and cries because we don't give his flaky ideas the respect that we give to an actual scientist?

Here is your exact quote Ogre: "None of these things have changed over the observed history of the universe (some 13 billion years or so)."

..and again your concern/cry troll interpretation is a bit incoherent but it seems that you are actually trying to convey that y'all have been purposefully taking advantage of my sincerity from the beginning?  In that case, my concerns with your attitudo academico is not really a fabrication or off topic; and thus, not trolling.

Thank you

He's talking about the universe as a whole.  With modern astronomical instruments we can see what was happening almost as far back as the Big Bang.  With my own two eyes I can go out at night and see stuff that happened millions of years ago.

Date: 2011/11/07 12:43:49, Link
Author: ppb
Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 07 2011,13:26)
Quote (ppb @ Nov. 07 2011,11:46)
   
He's talking about the universe as a whole.  With modern astronomical instruments we can see what was happening almost as far back as the Big Bang.  With my own two eyes I can go out at night and see stuff that happened millions of years ago.

Oh, you did not see the green shag rug covering the pit in the jungle floor, did you Tarzan? Said light was created in transit to earth, and so is much younger than said billions or even millions of years!

Just like Adam and Eve were created as adults, not infants, or zygotes. ;)

Bringing it all back to uniformitarianism, we seem to have here a modern-day (?) Richard Kirwan denouncing we James Huttons. Can Velikovsky be far behind?

Yeah, except we get to see Adam and Eve as zygotes.  The creationists who try to use the "created in transit" argument are making their god out to be a liar.

 

 

 

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