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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2008,15:12   

If you think it's bad in the US then just have a look at NI. This is what the people who are running the place actually believe:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news....0514.jp

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2008,15:45   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Aug. 06 2008,15:12)
If you think it's bad in the US then just have a look at NI. This is what the people who are running the place actually believe:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news....0514.jp

Sad, really.  Bad news indeed.  Maybe you could invite the Republic in and really unite Ireland again?

Despite what Denyse might have you think, at least the Catholic Church officially believes in evolution.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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George



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2008,09:14   

Though DUP backbenchers and ministers' wives are making all sorts of silly calls for teaching creationism and other reactionary rubbish, I seriously doubt that this will filter up to government, even DUP cabinet, policy.  Not being hopefully naive here.  I think the top DUP politicians are hard-headed enough to think of the money.  If the establishment gives real support to creationism, that will be a clear signal to biotech and similar companies to invest south of the border (where there are already plenty of financial goodies waiting for them).

Also, the time NI politicians spend spouting creationist rubbish is time they aren't spending spouting political sectarian rubbish, which is far more dangerous.  Creationism is a symptom of political normalisation in the north, and therefore to be almost welcomed, ironically.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,04:14   

Eek! It's getting closer!

Last night on Questions and Answers (an Irish TV talkshow where politicians and the Great&Good dodge audience questions) someone pointed out that Iris Robinson is Sarah Palin without the curly tail glasses.


Better just give up and go home, people. The barbarians are at the gate.


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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,07:50   

Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 23 2008,04:14)
Eek! It's getting closer!

Last night on Questions and Answers (an Irish TV talkshow where politicians and the Great&Good dodge audience questions) someone pointed out that Iris Robinson is Sarah Palin without the curly tail glasses.


Better just give up and go home, people. The barbarians are at the gate.

Well, if they are True Irish™, just tell them that the Jameson's is free on the outside of the gates...

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,08:40   

These types are not likely to be tempted by The Devil's Buttermilk™.

But if they were, we've found just the thing.

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,09:32   

Quote (George @ Aug. 10 2008,07:14)
Though DUP backbenchers and ministers' wives are making all sorts of silly calls for teaching creationism and other reactionary rubbish, I seriously doubt that this will filter up to government, even DUP cabinet, policy.  Not being hopefully naive here.  I think the top DUP politicians are hard-headed enough to think of the money.  If the establishment gives real support to creationism, that will be a clear signal to biotech and similar companies to invest south of the border (where there are already plenty of financial goodies waiting for them).

Also, the time NI politicians spend spouting creationist rubbish is time they aren't spending spouting political sectarian rubbish, which is far more dangerous.  Creationism is a symptom of political normalisation in the north, and therefore to be almost welcomed, ironically.

I assume it's only the Protestant politicians in NI who are advocating this?

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,09:49   

Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 23 2008,08:40)
These types are not likely to be tempted by The Devil's Buttermilk™.

But if they were, we've found just the thing.

Beautiful!  I forgot all about their Preferred Brand!!!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2008,14:06   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 23 2008,09:32)
 
Quote (George @ Aug. 10 2008,07:14)
Though DUP backbenchers and ministers' wives are making all sorts of silly calls for teaching creationism and other reactionary rubbish, I seriously doubt that this will filter up to government, even DUP cabinet, policy.  Not being hopefully naive here.  I think the top DUP politicians are hard-headed enough to think of the money.  If the establishment gives real support to creationism, that will be a clear signal to biotech and similar companies to invest south of the border (where there are already plenty of financial goodies waiting for them).

Also, the time NI politicians spend spouting creationist rubbish is time they aren't spending spouting political sectarian rubbish, which is far more dangerous.  Creationism is a symptom of political normalisation in the north, and therefore to be almost welcomed, ironically.

I assume it's only the Protestant politicians in NI who are advocating this?

Yes. Specifically, those in the DUP and miscellaneous Silly Parties in its orbit. I'd like to think that the more rational line adopted by Sinn Féin, the SDLP and [most of] the Ulster Unionists (Peter? any views?) is a credit to their seriousness etc etc. But these are, after all, politicians. The DUP has the biblical literratlisis litrerla the Bible is all true vote sewn up. If there were votes in it for any of the others they'd support teaching cannibalism too.

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2008,00:17   

I keep thinking of the knights who say ni when I see the title of this thread. Damn you Monty Python

  
Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2008,05:01   

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I'd like to think that the more rational line adopted by Sinn Féin, the SDLP and [most of] the Ulster Unionists (Peter? any views?)


As I've said over on the BCSE forum Amadan, there are some senible people even in the DUP. Jeffrey Donaldson and Arlene Foster are both reasonably well educated and defecters from the Ulster Unionists. I'm sure they must cringe at times at the antics of Mervyn Storey etc.

The problem, as I see it, is that a lot of policians are pro-evolution but they don't know why. Sinn Feinn are for it but only because the DUP are pro-YEC. Unfortunately many of our politicians on both sides of the political divide aren't that well educated in science (many are teachers, Soliciters/barristers, ex-terrorists etc.) so they don't really know why YECism is wrong.

As an example of the way people think here, just have a look at the letters to the Belfast Telegraph after Storey's nonsense in August:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/search/index.jsp

With the latest from a contributer called Tom McIvor:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion....40.html

who comes up with two old chestnuts:

 
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Sir Fred Hoyle, mathematician and astronomer, was an atheist and he said that evolution was about as likely as an explosion in a junkyard was to produce a jumbo jet


 
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Modern day observation shows that geological layers can be laid down in a short space of time and do not need the claimed millions of years. Following the eruption of Mount St Helens in Washington State in May 1980, eight metres deep of layered sediment were observed to form in a single afternoon.


Somehow most Christians in the Protestant community are convinced that science has been holding back with the evidence. That evolution is full of gaps and that there is substantial proof of a young Earth. It's just that most scientists aren't telling us the truth. If you really want to know why this is then just have a listen to AiG's conference in Ballymoney last week:

http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_detail.asp?sourceid=hebronballymoney

  
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