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blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 13 2007,14:14    The libation and comestible thread got me thinking about this related topic.  We all like to eat and drink (especially this crowd) and lots of us have contributed delicious suggestions over the past months. I got to thinking that many of us have cause to travel a bit in our jobs and might be able to help fellow travelers find a bit to eat.  Now, given notice, I am always more than happy to cook for people coming through Kansas City (even you homos who like teh gay), but I travel a lot myself. So, the purpose of this thread is to compile a list of places to wet our whistles and fill our bellies.  No hard rules, just places that you like, that the locals go to--you know, places that we travelers might miss but shouldn't.  High dollar steak and seafood places?  Great.  BBQ dives and greasy spoons?  Okay. I'll start with a couple of places that aren't my dining room. Room 39  This is a great place to eat, opened about 3 years ago on restaurant row in Kansas City.  Started out serving breakfast and lunch only, but now does dinner as well.  Menu changes daily, fresh local ingredients.  Some of the best coffee in Kansas City as well. JP Wine Bar Coffee House  Really, the name should say it all: Wine AND Coffee!!! Stupendous.  They also have a very nice small plate selection.  They specialize in wine flights and cheese flights.  You can get a glass of wine here that most places wouldn't even think about serving--because they pour everything in flights, allowing for very little waste.  Open for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and cocktails every day except Sunday. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,03:00    The Fat Duck Three Michellin stars, voted the best restaurant in the world by the industry last year (currently at no.2 I think), at the forefront of a scientific approach to cookery called "Molecular Gastronomy", nearly universally acclaimed as a pioneering effort by a brilliant chef. A few miles from my house and sadly expensive as hell! I've been there twice now, once ages ago when it just got its first Michellin star and once recently. The prices were different by about double! Special occasions only people! The Hind's Head, the local pub in the same village as The Fat Duck and owned by the same chap, is also excellent and a LOT cheaper. They also do a simply stunning steak and kidney pudding and triple cooked chips. Worth a detour if you are coming to London, even though it's ~40 miles outisde London to the west, nestled on the banks of the River Thames. As for other places, considering I live near London and spend a lot of time in the city and/or in Oxford, there is simply too much to choose from. Many of the world's best chefs are either based in London or have restaurants there. You want a doner kebab for £3 and a can of Stella? I can manage it. You want a £300 per person (not including wine of course) full gourmet experience with more adjectives on the menu than calories in the food? I can manage that too. Another thing to consider is that (especially with the St Pancras route to Paris opening up) Paris is very accessible from London (~2hrs away). This allows one to sample the delightful culinary wizardry of Guy Savoy and Joel Robuchon. (Which in the case of M Savoy, I've yet to do and long to try!) So, if anyone is visiting London or the surrounding area, let me know, because all things are possible. Incidentally, I can extend that to much of the UK because I've lived at one time or another in at least a dozen different UK locations and know a decent bit of local colour for many places from the Peak District on south. I especially know the South West as that's where I'm originally from, so trips to the Jurassic Coast are possible (with suitable pub trips obviously). Louis -------------- Bye.

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,12:27    Nicely done, Louis.  Your gastronomic attitude makes me want to visit London this weekend.  Now if only I can get a tour scheduled in the UK.  Damn, damn, damn.  Maybe I could sweep floors in the West End and look for walk-on roles.  Nah, I'd hate that. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2561 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,12:53    Quote I've lived at one time or another in at least a dozen different UK locations and know a decent bit of local colour for many places from the Peak District on south. Tha's a southern pansy! Having lived on a Northern cuisine for most of my life, I wouldn't claim to know about good food.  But for drink in Helsinki, there are a couple of good bars in Kaisaniemi, right next to the railway station square.  Kaisla is a good beer pub.  The commercial Finnish beer is awful, so these places are a necessary part of the culture.  Just around the corner is Teerenpeli (scroll down), which brews its own beer, and also makes HUGE sandwiches. The more culturally enlightened may want to try Zetor.  It's owned by the Leningrad Cowboys, and is usually known as "the tractor bar".  'Tis a strange place, rather like central Finland. If you do want really good food, you'll have to find an excuse to go to Tvärminne Zoological Station.  It's one of our field stations, and the fish is excellent in particular.  It's right on the shoreline in a nature reserve on the archipelago, so if you're lucky you can see sea eagles from the canteen. Bob -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2007,20:20    I'd like to put in a word for The Pink Pony Pub http://pinkponypub.net/ and the Florabama http://www.florabama.com/ -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,01:55    Quote (blipey @ Nov. 14 2007,18:27) Nicely done, Louis.  Your gastronomic attitude makes me want to visit London this weekend.  Now if only I can get a tour scheduled in the UK.  Damn, damn, damn.  Maybe I could sweep floors in the West End and look for walk-on roles.  Nah, I'd hate that. Blipey: You could come over for the Edinburgh Festival and the Fringe. Lots of artists from newbies to up-and-comers to big names (national and international) and has-beens! All permutations around and in between. Granted Edinburgh is a long way north of London, but it IS the same continent. Quote Tha's a southern pansy! Bob: Aye, that I am, lad. But I drink like a Northerner. Louis -------------- Bye.

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,09:08    Sorry blipey, but this being a military town the best you might do is Cracker Barrel or Outback (they're still building the Olive Garden).  There's not much call for fine dining, and I've not been too thrilled with any of the Mom & Pops I've tried. The truth is that Cheap is king in a town made up of mostly 18 year old kids who don't make much money, and considering their usual diet of sand and MREs it's easy to understand why it doesn't take much to impress their little taste buds. There's a place called Andy's Cheesesteaks which purports to be authentic and whose owner is from South Jersey as I understand it, but having grown up in Philly myself I've been disappointed too many times by such places in my quest for a little taste of home, so I haven't been in a hurry to check him out yet.  Ditto Jersey Mike's.  I think it's just impossible to get an authentic cheesesteak away from Philly. There's a fresh seafood place about 30 or 40 miles from here (it's only so far because you have to drive around the base) that can be pretty good, but it's hit or miss there, and I can't for the life of me pull the name of it out of my sketchy memory.  I'll see if my Pop remembers the name. There is a little greasy spoon breakfast place my Pop recently found not too far from here that he recommends, but I haven't been there yet either. Mostly, I tend to patronize a little place called Chez Louis.  The grill is always ready, there's always beer and wine in the cooler, the outdoor dining is unique in its hospitality and ambiance, and the company usually pretty animated.  The only real down side is that the chef is a hack, a half-drunk cripple guy who's entertaining but occasionally mildly annoying in his friendliness.  (He pinches my wife's butt all the time.)  The bill is attractive though, as free is always the right price.  Plus there's usually a campfire going to keep the chill off, when there's not a statewide ban on burning (as there is currently).  It's also very convenient, as the commute from my home is approximately 0 seconds. If you're in the Triangle area (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill etc.) Steve would be the guy to ask, or you might touch base with Coturnix from Blog Around the Clock. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,09:44    Ah yes, Fringe and Festival.  I've always wanted to perform there (always being since 1989 when I first heard of it).  It'll have to be a year when I've done enough shows to be comfortably well off...I can't imagine I'll get much of a venue at Fringe and certainly not one good enough to defray airline costs etc. I'm sticking to the US and Canadian Fringes for now--some of which are very nice, if not quite th size of the Indian sub-continent.  :D I'm sure there are lovely eats in Edinburgh, however. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,22:03    http://www.windscafe.com/ Local and well prepared. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,08:41    Grace O'Mally's - First discovered by intrepid English explorer Richard T Hughes and is now The Chicago Party location favored by professors Steve-Steve and Darwin: http://events.newcitychicago.com/clubs/place.asp?id=4003 Very gracious hosts, even when I trashed the place - Who wouldn't get excited to be in the presence of The Richardthughes and Kristine?   Pub Food and Smithwicks.  Mmmmmm. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:01    Now, if you want to visit Gracie O'Malley, I'd highly suggest that you head to Lancaster County, PA during the summer, where you will find her performing as a member of The Sultry Sirens of Sin at O'Malley's Pub at the Pennsylvania Renaissance Faire.  (The food and ale are pretty good, too!) Here's a pic of Gracie: -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richardthughes Posts: 11177 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:14    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,09:01) Not sure about the outfit, a bit androgenous. I still would though, although it's getting preeeeety close to Arden's Peter Pan fantasy. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:34    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,10:14) Not sure about the outfit, a bit androgenous. I still would though, although it's getting preeeeety close to Arden's Peter Pan fantasy. Not when you see it in person. And talk about a voice... The girl has the pipes of a siren. I have to stop there.  It just ain't right to be thinking what I'm thinking about Gracie on the 20th anniversary of the first time I married my wife... -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:51    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,09:34)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,10:14) Not sure about the outfit, a bit androgenous. I still would though, although it's getting preeeeety close to Arden's Peter Pan fantasy. Not when you see it in person. And talk about a voice... The girl has the pipes of a siren. I have to stop there.  It just ain't right to be thinking what I'm thinking about Gracie on the 20th anniversary of the first time I married my wife... Do you guys celebrate both your anniversaries? PS: HA HA RITCHARD THIS IS YOU: -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,09:58    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 16 2007,10:51) Do you guys celebrate both your anniversaries? Under pain of death (for me). It's not so bad, though.  If I screw up our new anniversary in July, I get a second swing in November when our old one comes 'round. ...assuming I live that long, of course. On the other hand, it's one extra opportunity per year to sleep in the garage for a week or two. So it's sort of a double edged sword kind of thing. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:01    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,09:14) Not sure about the outfit, a bit androgenous. I still would though, although it's getting preeeeety close to Arden's Peter Pan fantasy. HA HA.  Porn for Arden Chowderhead!! -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:15    Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,10:01)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2007,09:14) Not sure about the outfit, a bit androgenous. I still would though, although it's getting preeeeety close to Arden's Peter Pan fantasy. HA HA.  Porn for Arden Chowderhead!! HA HA I FOUND CARSON!!!!111!!!!!: -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:20    On this page there's a link to a video of the history of the faire, which talks a little about the winery, the micro-brewery, and the food (try the giant turkey legs, they're awesome!) that's worth a look.  It's only a couple minutes long. It's also a little old, as the faire's added acreage, buildings, and more cast members and performances to the Shire since the video was made. Plan to spend the weekend and a boat-load of money on food, drink, and general stuff from the 85 bazillion shops and vendors. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:22    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 16 2007,10:15) HA HA I FOUND CARSON!!!!111!!!!!: That is not me.  That is my brother.  This is me! Unfortunately, our band broke up when he got hooked on the smack. EDIT: That was a freebie for you, Louis. Let's see what you can do with it. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:33    Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,16:22) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 16 2007,10:15) HA HA I FOUND CARSON!!!!111!!!!!: That is not me.  That is my brother.  This is me! Unfortunately, our band broke up when he got hooked on the smack. EDIT: That was a freebie for you, Louis. Let's see what you can do with it. MUST....RESIST.....TEMPTATION.....WILL....NOT.....BE SO.....EASILY....BAITED......ARGGGHHHHHHHH No...NO....NOOOOOOOOO {Dr Jekyl transforming to Mr Hyde type sound} HAR HAR THIS IS YOU!!!one!!!! HOMO!! {Mr Hyde transforming back into Dr Jekyl type sound} Oh NO! What have I done? I've resorted to the basest horse related quip. No wit. No style. No panache! Whatever can I do? Should I try to save myself with a joke about "Quick Draw McGraw" being Carlson's wife's nickname for him, thereby implying that he suffers from premature ejaculation? Should I elevate the tone by comenting that after eating all that sugary ceral Carlson must be a 440lb Type II diabetic  who the horses run away from in case he tries to ride them. Shall I comment on his pompous love of tambourines or that the genes for THAT moustache run in his family? No. Better to ignore it all and slink away quietly. Unnoticed, nonchalent. Perhaps no one will even see my public degradation. Louis -------------- Bye.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,10:51    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 16 2007,10:33) Oh NO! What have I done? I've resorted to the basest horse related quip. No wit. No style. No panache! Whatever can I do? Should I try to save myself with a joke about "Quick Draw McGraw" being Carlson's wife's nickname for him, thereby implying that he suffers from premature ejaculation? Funny, that isn't what your wife said.       Quote Should I elevate the tone by comenting that after eating all that sugary ceral Carlson must be a 440lb Type II diabetic  who the horses run away from in case he tries to ride them. I’m an extreme mesomorph. We’re the ones who can pile on or take off bulk with little effort - our bodies are like putty we can sculpt quickly and easily. You recognize us by our V shape. My hips are 13 inches wide and my shoulders are 21.     Quote Shall I comment on his pompous love of tambourines or that the genes for THAT moustache run in his family? Okay, this was all supposed to be fun and games. Why did you have to bring my dear, saintly Mummy into it? NOTE:  Blipey, I am so sorry for hijacking the thread.  So, if you are ever in OKC, stop here for the one of the best steaks you'll ever eat.  The atmosphere is awesome, being situated in a real working stockyard district (no smell, believe it or not). No fakery here, unlike that tourist trap called The Stockyards in Fort Worth.  F****ing Texans.     -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:22    Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,16:51) Quote (Louis @ Nov. 16 2007,10:33) Oh NO! What have I done? I've resorted to the basest horse related quip. No wit. No style. No panache! Whatever can I do? Should I try to save myself with a joke about "Quick Draw McGraw" being Carlson's wife's nickname for him, thereby implying that he suffers from premature ejaculation? Funny, that isn't what your wife said.       Quote Should I elevate the tone by comenting that after eating all that sugary ceral Carlson must be a 440lb Type II diabetic  who the horses run away from in case he tries to ride them. I’m an extreme mesomorph. We’re the ones who can pile on or take off bulk with little effort - our bodies are like putty we can sculpt quickly and easily. You recognize us by our V shape. My hips are 13 inches wide and my shoulders are 21.       Quote Shall I comment on his pompous love of tambourines or that the genes for THAT moustache run in his family? Okay, this was all supposed to be fun and games. Why did you have to bring my dear, saintly Mummy into it? NOTE:  Blipey, I am so sorry for hijacking the thread.  So, if you are ever in OKC, stop here for the one of the best steaks you'll ever eat.  The atmosphere is awesome, being situated in a real working stockyard district (no smell, believe it or not). No fakery here, unlike that tourist trap called The Stockyards in Fort Worth.  F****ing Texans.   :angry:  :angry: Your hips are 13 inches wide? What are you a midget? Oh wait.....PYGMIES + DWARVES!!!! ID IS TRUE.* Eat more steak.** Louis *Now on topic for this forum. **Now on topic for this thread. Yay me. -------------- Bye.

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,11:35    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 16 2007,12:22) **Now on topic for this thread. Yay me. Yeah, if it's not too much trouble let's try to meander back to good places to eat and drink for weary travelers. We all go astray now and again (I'm as guilty as anyone - see above), but I think we're beginning to lose our way here. Thanks -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:13    Eating pygmies isn't on topic?  Damn. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:32    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,11:35) Yeah, if it's not too much trouble let's try to meander back to good places to eat and drink for weary travelers. We all go astray now and again (I'm as guilty as anyone - see above), but I think we're beginning to lose our way here. HAR HAR. THIS IS YOU. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Lou FCD Posts: 5452 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:36    Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,13:32)   Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2007,11:35) Yeah, if it's not too much trouble let's try to meander back to good places to eat and drink for weary travelers. We all go astray now and again (I'm as guilty as anyone - see above), but I think we're beginning to lose our way here. HAR HAR. THIS IS YOU. HAR HAR, THIS IS YOU - Crap, for a minute there, I thought my button was fixed. HAR HAR, THIS IS ME: Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 16 2007,13:39 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,12:39    Okay, I don't know how many of you have ever been to a Churrascaria, which is a Brazilian steak house, but I highly recommend it. I have been to the Dallas location of Fogo de Chão.  It was a fantastic experience.  It is pricey.  We spent over $100 for dinner and didn't even have any alcoholic beverages.  But, for a special occasion, it is so worth it.   For ATBC regulars, there are 10 US locations, including  Chicago and Minneapolis. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,14:51    Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,12:39) Okay, I don't know how many of you have ever been to a Churrascaria, which is a Brazilian steak house, but I highly recommend it. I have been to the Dallas location of Fogo de Chão.  It was a fantastic experience.  It is pricey.  We spent over $100 for dinner and didn't even have any alcoholic beverages.  But, for a special occasion, it is so worth it.   For ATBC regulars, there are 10 US locations, including  Chicago and Minneapolis. I must agree with this.  Though I have never been to a Fogo de Chão, I have been to a couple of Churrascaria.  Very nice; you certainly won't go away hungry (if you do, you're an idiot).  We just had a new one open in Kansas City that I haven't been able to check out yet: Amor de Brazil -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Richard Simons Posts: 425 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,18:41    Where I am at present there are three places to eat within 110 km, a burger-and-fries place, a Chicken Chef and a rival outfit that also sells pork chops. However, if you visit Namibia I can recommend Joe's in Windhoek. They serve barbequed meat in the semi open-air, under high thatched roofs around a fire. The choice includes ostrich, kudu, springbok, gemsbok, sometimes eland, zebra, crocodile, all washed down with Windhoek Lager, a good quality German-style beer that is cheaper than any soft drink. They might have a vegetarian option or two but most Namibians consider that to be merely goat food. When I first went few people had discovered it and I remember one occasion when a friend and I were the only customers, but now you should make a reservation. Also to be recommended in the city are the lunchtime broetchen and the desserts. It's making me hungry just to think of it. A local specialty is the dried sausage. The deputy minister of agriculture took some with him when he went to visit family in Germany, but he was not permitted to take it into the country as it's uncooked meat. In the end, he succeeded by telling the customs agent he required it as part of his religious practices. -------------- All sweeping statements are wrong.

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