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Date: 2007/05/31 22:35:22, Link
Author: khan
BA in Math

One year of graduate work in Math, no degree.

Date: 2007/06/01 16:40:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 31 2007,23:21)
Quote (khan @ May 31 2007,22:35)
BA in Math

One year of graduate work in Math, no degree.

Welcome, kahn. Your homepage?


Date: 2007/06/05 20:20:08, Link
Author: khan
I'm new here and I have to ask: what is the origin of the "pirahna" references?

Date: 2007/06/05 22:21:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 05 2007,20:54)
Quote (khan @ June 05 2007,20:20)
I'm new here and I have to ask: what is the origin of the "pirahna" references?

The person whose blog is the subject of this thread said in a post somewhere,
It doesn't matter what I say, as I am a (gasp) Creationist, and as such am declared a pirahna to all scientific thought.

Of course she meant "pariah," but not only did she use the wrong word, she spelled it incorrectly.

Some serious tard there.

Date: 2007/06/10 19:32:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 10 2007,19:29)
Quote (someotherguy @ June 10 2007,19:21)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 10 2007,18:45)
Uncommonly Denyse has made it her business to simultaneously display and celebrate ignorance, to a degree that must be read to be believed even for those familiar with her usual drivel. This post is beyond ridicule, save self-ridicule.

Go here, where UD has effectively become an extension of the Uncommonly Dense thread of AtBC, and rendered it unnecessary.

"Wow" is about the the only word that comes to mind.

You know it's bad when someone makes Dave Scot look like an intellectual...

They seem to be in some sort of competition for the most breathtaking inanity.

Date: 2007/06/12 08:49:11, Link
Author: khan
just be aware that the statistics don't support the level of hysteria associated with sharks, as an order of magnitude more people are killed each year by bees, for example.

I recall reading something several years ago.  Some folks were all upset because two people had been killed by sharks off Hawaii.  It was then noted that more than 40 people had drowned in the same time frame and location.  If you want to save lives, close the beaches.

Date: 2007/06/14 13:01:24, Link
Author: khan
The critters these guys commonly feed on (elephant seals),

Interesting thought occurred to me:

Sharks swimming around essentially unchanged for many millions of years while their food supply slowly evolves.

Date: 2007/06/16 09:14:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 15 2007,13:25)



Date: 2007/06/17 20:48:01, Link
Author: khan
Is there a time line for that chart?

Date: 2007/06/18 10:58:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ June 18 2007,09:57)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 18 2007,00:53)

Quote (Kristine @ June 17 2007,20:16)
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 17 2007,18:36)
This is a Day of Love!

more like the start of the "year of living dangerously".

I just saw a ballet version of Barbarella and it inspired me. I'm going to write a musical starring wMAD and the whole crazy gang, plus us and me, about ID. :)

The bacterial flagella will get their own dance number.

Make it a porno and the flagella are really proto dildos.  That and fart jokes will sell to the creationists.   ???

Oh, the bacterial flagellum is so totally a phallic symbol for these Han Solo wannabees.

Am I the only one to notice that? ;)


I thought it rather obvious.

Date: 2007/06/21 21:33:45, Link
Author: khan
An interesting tangent on risk of death:

More deaths by sand than sharks
People naturally worry about splashier threats, like shark attacks. However, the Marons’ research found there were 16 sand hole or tunnel deaths in the U.S. from 1990-2006 compared with 12 fatal shark attacks for the same period, according to University of Florida statistics.

And Bradley Maron thinks the sand-related deaths are less well-documented than shark attacks.

Date: 2007/06/26 19:56:58, Link
Author: khan
Battle Beyond The Stars.

I recall watching this on TV; truly bad cinema.  A few years later I read the review in the local TV guide and it was referred to as a 'spoof'.  When it's so bad it's funny, pretend you meant it that way.

And then there's "Frogs"  
Featuring Sam Elliot without a mustache.

Date: 2007/06/27 19:59:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (qetzal @ June 27 2007,17:27)
After last night's post, I remembered Lair of the White Worm. Seems I wasn't the only one.

Another 'scientist as hero' movie is Day of the Locust. Giant grasshoppers attack New York, IIRC. The hero (an entomologist, I presume) plays amplified grasshopper noises to lure them all out to sea to drown.

Starring Peter Graves (of TV show "Mission Impossible").

Date: 2007/06/29 09:53:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (nuytsia @ June 29 2007,02:27)
I don't think anyones mentioned The Green Slime?

I remember seeing this about twenty years ago, but only because of the truly awful music. It was a pretty bad film as I recall.

I saw The Green Slime in college at the student union; MST3K style.

Near the end there's a scene where the slime creatures are on fire; someone in the audience yelled: "Crispy Critters!"

Date: 2007/07/02 20:54:56, Link
Author: khan
I need a husband and a wife.

Date: 2007/07/04 13:13:38, Link
Author: khan
Interesting that someone in his claimed position would write of 'Ridalin'.

Date: 2007/07/05 09:32:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2007,07:47)
Infinite-energy theory challenges materialist thermodynamics dogma

Ask a materialist if an infinitely powerful entity is possible, and they will give you a "No!", without even bothering to consider the question for a moment. The materialist understanding of the laws of thermodynamics exclude any understanding of systems that have infinite energy. Unfortunately for materialists, their understanding of these basic scientific principles is about to receive a major challenge.

Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe, the two boffins behind Steorn Research unveiled their latest gizmo: The Orbo, a magnetic engine which according to carefully controlled experiments can produce up to three times as much energy as is put into it,effectively creating an infinite amount of energy from apparently nowhere.

Steorn's findings totally undermine the basic premise of materialism, simply by demonstrating a confirmed physical effect that materialists predict cannot happen. These clever Irish researchers have demonstrated that the principles of thermodynamics function in a manner far closer to the predictions of William Dembski and William Brookfield than the clearly flawed thermodynamic claims of Hawkings and Maxwell.

The same scientists who tell you that Intelligent Design is impossible also dispute the hard-facts of Steorn's peer-reviewed findings. I predict that this humble contraption will show the world just how much materialists have misled mainstream-science.


Helena B
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Perpetual Motion Machines?

Good grief!

Date: 2007/07/05 20:45:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Paul Flocken @ July 05 2007,20:42)
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 05 2007,17:31)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 05 2007,11:52)
Chelsea Clinton, on the other hand, seems to be an ideal young woman.  

I actually got arrested with her once (well, along with a hundred or so other people), at a rally in front of the South African Embassy during the apartheid days.

She struck me as a very nice, down to earth person.

I am going to call BS on that.  Citation please.

I do recall Ms Clinton being part of an anti apartheid rally; whether the poster was there is another matter, but I will take his word for it.

Date: 2007/07/06 09:40:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Paul Flocken @ July 05 2007,20:56)
With a little googling I have not been able to determine that Chelsea Clinton was ever arrested for protesting.  When apartheid ended she was only 13-14.  I doubt an arrest would be warranted for that age or earlier.  I have discovered that Amy Carter, daughter of Jimmy Carter, was arrested three times for protests.  I am dimly aware of those.  Perhaps Lenny is mixing up his presidential daughters.  I still want to see a citation.

You're right, I conflated the two.

Date: 2007/07/06 09:53:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 06 2007,08:26)
Quote (dhogaza @ July 06 2007,07:54)
IIRC, condors may be the biggest birds around capable of flight. High weight for the California condor is about 23 pounds, according to Wikipedia.

Naw, trumpeter swans can weigh close to 30 lbs.

And they really fly.  None of that wimpy-assed soaring shit :)

Mongolians do their eagle falconry from horseback.

Other species of condor are noted by Wikipedia to get up to 15 kg, which puts those and the trumpeter swans pretty close, weight-wise.

Argentavis magnificens is the largest bird known. It lived six million years ago during the Miocene period throughout Argentina. It is nearly the size of a Cessna 152 light aircraft, with a 23-foot (7-meter) wing span and weighing approximately 150-pounds (70-kilograms).

Date: 2007/07/09 07:53:19, Link
Author: khan
Another one I saw at college:

Billy the Kid versus Dracula

William 'Billy the Kid' Bonney: What's wrong with her, Doc? What are those marks on her neck?
Dr. Henrietta Hull: Well, if I didn't know better, I'd say it was the work of a vampire.

Date: 2007/07/11 18:51:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (RF Brady @ July 11 2007,15:59)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 11 2007,15:38)
Wow. Rewrite that in broken English and drop the word 'Darwin' a few times and you could pass for VMartin.

Glen, seriously, your behavior here is quite dysfunctional. I hope this kind of stuff isn't the norm for your personal life.

Best you can do, eh Arden?  

I'm not trying to best you, Glen.

Be well.

I just thought I'd jump in here for a moment. I don't know Glen, but has anybody ever thought of introducing him to FtK. I think that would be "interesting".

BTW what the hell is that website listed in Glen's sig line??? ???

I'm not sure, as it hurts too much to read.

Date: 2007/07/15 16:50:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ July 15 2007,14:44)
On a related note, it's not only grammatical incoherence these chappies and chappesses suffer from.

Here's a quick quiz for one and all, especially our chum Skeptic:

Separation of Church and State



Thought there was something putting "In God We Trust" on money in 1914.

Date: 2007/07/17 21:37:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ July 17 2007,11:23)
Revealing statement.  
In an interview I remember him [Bart Ehrman] saying that he wishes he could believe, but finds himself unable to do so. This has got to be one of the saddest things I’ve ever read, and it troubles me deeply as a Christian (for two reasons: one, it stirrs doubts in my own mind

And next, same commenter:
Of course, the problem with what I said above, is that Ehrman has not kept this to himself. He has written several books that have raised doubts in people’s minds, and other equally competent scholars have responded to his writings.

Dembski's purpose for this whining about atheist best-sellers in a nut (literally) shell.

"I tawt I taw a puddy cat"

-Hey, I'm old.

Date: 2007/08/16 14:27:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Aug. 16 2007,09:00)
Something about this seems incredibly unwholsome

Oh no, it's the incontrovertible argument from misspelled unwholesomeness! We should just admit goddidit to prevent further embarassment.

Whatever the spelling, that's an odd choice of a word.

Date: 2007/08/18 09:21:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 18 2007,05:38)
For some reason I clicked on the Amazon Link Denise gave on her latest screed. Well, TBH I thought there would be a few funny reviews on her book but it's not out yet.

The blub says

Many scientists ignore hard evidence that challenges their materialistic prejudice, clinging to the limited view that our experiences are explainable only by material causes, in the obstinate conviction that the physical world is the only reality. But scientific materialism is at a loss to explain irrefutable accounts of mind over matter, of intuition, willpower, and leaps of faith, of the "placebo effect" in medicine, of near-death experiences on the operating table, and of psychic premonitions of a loved one in crisis, to say nothing of the occasional sense of oneness with nature and mystical experiences in meditation or prayer. Traditional science explains away these and other occurrences as delusions or misunderstandings, but by exploring the latest neurological research on phenomena such as these, The Spiritual Brain gets to their real source.

I wrote something like that when I was 16; but I got over it.

Date: 2007/08/24 21:53:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JAM @ Aug. 24 2007,18:28)
A thick slab of tard from one of the UD commenters (Charles Foljambe) from that thread here:

He's all over any comments, too:

This could be fun!

The Tard is strong with this one.

Date: 2007/08/27 22:19:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,14:16)
Quote (blipey @ Aug. 27 2007,13:54)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Aug. 27 2007,12:53)
I've caught UD regular Joe G at my UD-inspired blogtrap.  He's a persistent little guy.  Does anybody want to come over  and help me whack him around for a bit?

Joe should work in a sideshow tent.  Truly a wonder of the modern world.

You bet.  What a maroon.  And thanks for the help blipey (and Smokey).  

Joe G has provided me with a new line for my sig:

"I will show you what you want when you show up at my door."  


Sounds like a country song.

Date: 2007/08/27 22:29:21, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 27 2007,20:39)
Having bombed out in his attempt to be the Great Fundy Poet Laureate of the Twentieth Century, BornAgain77 continues to take solace in his keen gift for projection:

7:53 pm
Sooner or later they?ve GOT to start questioning underlying assumptions. (Naive, ain?t I?)
You Know a while back I would of said you had a shot at convincing, or at least raising some suspicion, in some evolutionists but now I realize that the brainwashing in truly deep in some of these people and no amount of clear reasoning can get through to them.

He actually wrote: "would of"?

Date: 2007/08/31 21:40:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 31 2007,17:29)
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 31 2007,14:44)
My first car. Bought is used and 12 years old. ?Those canvas side-curtains and button snap top were perfectly designed for those long cold Mid-Western winters. ?

My first car was a '73 MG Midget, that I bought in '79.

It was in the shop every weekend, it seemed.

But I drove it almost ten years.

I drove a '73 Midget that I bought in '73.  What didn't go wrong with it.

Drove it from NJ to CA with a companion and with everything I owned in the trunk.

Occasionally I miss being young. ;)

Gave it to charity in '89 after sitting in the garage for four years.

Date: 2007/08/31 21:44:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 31 2007,19:30)
Heh.  My first car (1985) was a '68 VW bug.  It had been sitting in a field for two years, and yes I did have to chase the field mice from under the back seat.  Gave it a jump and drove it away.

It had plenty of horsepower.  It'd do 0 - 60 in 4.9



Had one of those too (a '67).  The car salesman showed me how to drive a stickshift.  Took me a week to get it into 4th (city traffic).

Date: 2007/09/04 22:04:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 04 2007,16:01)
Just had another thought...

The whole Dembksi / UD / ID saga is perfect for TV.  

It's got pathos, gross stupidity, a guy everyone loves to hate... another guy everyone loves to hate... well, it's got A LOT OF GUYS (including Denyse) that people love to hate...

The zany UD madcaps are always in trouble, and hilarity ensues.  Every week, Demsbksi and his "Igor" (DaveScot) try to get into another university, but just like Gilligan and his crew never got off the island, UD et al, never get in another University!

Standing joke:  Casey Luskin (played by himself, cuz no one else could be as whiney) trying to say something smart, but it always comes out dumb... "Casey You struck out" will be the line on everyone's lips for the whole first season.

Call the show "Trainwrecked" and you've got yourself a winner!

A thought:

Dembski is 47.

An age when men in our society are supposed to be climbing in their careers.

Here he is hitting middle age crisis time and stuck at BFE Bible College as 'Research Professor in Philosophy' (what the heck does that entail?).

Date: 2007/09/06 20:40:29, Link
Author: khan
Could it be:

Hate email to columnist Mark Morford, second one down.

Date: 2007/09/12 20:57:03, Link
Author: khan


5:42 pm

Every case ID-proponents provide translates to atheists as a attempt to proof the existence of God. It’s truly sad for scientific progress when religion and science gets mixed.

Date: 2007/09/18 21:30:14, Link
Author: khan
Back in high school it occurred to me that Lamarkism could be  dismissed based on the facts that men had spent many years and generations shaving their faces.

And most women in the USA have been shaving legs and armpits for a few generations.

But the little tiny hairs keep growing.

Date: 2007/09/30 11:02:49, Link
Author: khan
It just makes sex a joke or a game rather than striving to make it something special that leads to a loving family and vile free lifestyle.  In the end, it's pretty obvious that people who stay away from those kinds of perversions are happier and much healthier.

How about heterosexuals who don't want families?  Are they perverts?

And what is so vile about being free?

Date: 2007/10/10 22:24:16, Link
Author: khan
3) For the scientists and people who accept modern evolutionary biology as the best explanation we currently have for the diversity of life on earth: What if you are wrong and IDC or YEC or whatever creationism you care to name is correct? How would feel and what would you do? What are the social, ethical and political ramifications of this, if any?

There would be no need to do any scientific investigation on anything ever again.

Any/all evidence/history can be changed/faked at whim by The Powers That Be just to deceive/test people.

And TPTB also could shift its (their?) nature and the resulting rules and consequences at whim.

Last Thursdayism writ large.

Date: 2007/10/18 21:03:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 18 2007,20:26)
Among the "neglected comedies" I would have to include George Hamilton's cult classic "Zorro, The Gay Blade". If you haven't seen it, check it out. Truly hilarious, from beginning to end. Yeah, I know George Hamilton is not a great actor, but this is a movie that makes me laugh out loud every time I watch it (and that would be dozens of times).

This is especially recommended for RTH.

A great one.

Love at First Bite (1979) was also pretty good.

Date: 2007/10/25 17:36:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (blipey @ Oct. 25 2007,08:49)
I'm going to have to break my own bad habit and stop archiving here (as Ftk is completely oblivious to her own denseness and never disappears anything), but for now:

Darwinists are racist cartoon!

What do I use to view that?

Date: 2007/11/10 20:08:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Hermagoras @ Nov. 10 2007,19:19)
Peter notes that aborted babies are being replaced by wetbacks.  

Don’t forget the 50 million and counting babies killed in America after it became a secular state. At 1.5 million babies killed a year, it won’t be long before this will be the worst mass murder in history.
. . . . .
Does anyone ever wonder way there are 20+ million illegal (permanent?) immigrants in America at this point in its history? Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the world.

That is DI-approved Grade A Tard, folks.

"Abortion was invented in 1973."
quoth the Tard

Date: 2007/11/14 20:20:40, Link
Author: khan
I'd like to put in a word for The Pink Pony Pub

the Florabama

Date: 2007/11/15 22:03:44, Link
Author: khan

Local and well prepared.

Date: 2007/12/12 16:23:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 12 2007,08:15)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 12 2007,08:01)
an emergency project came up at work last thursday and instead of normal business hours I've been working from late evenings to 6, 7, 8, even 9 am for the past week. Well, it's totally destroyed my drinking schedule. I'm not going to get off at 8 am and have some drinks. Nor am I going to go to sleep, wake up at 5 pm, have a few drinks, and then sober up before working. So I have nothing interesting to report on the booze front.

Holy Crap, is nothing sacred anymore?

A job should NEVER interfere with alcohol consumption, and should in fact CAUSE alcohol consumption.  It's a law, I think.  Federal, maybe.  Call OSHA.

"Work is the curse of the drinking class."

Date: 2007/12/16 18:31:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 16 2007,12:08)
The Year in ID - 2007 Edition.

Category: Intelligent Design
Posted on: December 16, 2007 10:49 AM, by John Lynch

Twelve months ago I offered a roundup of the "advances" made by the intelligent design movement in 2006, a month-by-month roundup which differed significantly from the assessment of John West. I had started to do the same for this year, but quickly realized that the ID movement achieved absolutely nothing over the past twelve months. They had achieved so little, I was actually not posting much on the subject. Seriously. Sure, I discussed West getting destroyed in public by historian Mark Borrello, and Frank Beckwith quitting the DI, but by and large the year was filled with ... nothing. The Disco Institute spent the end of the year either beating the dead horse that is Gonzalez’s tenure rejection, blathering on about Expelled or cheerleading Antony Flew’s conversion. (Of course the latter doesn’t mention Flew’s apparent eugenic sympathies.) Put bluntly, ID has not moved forward as a science one iota since this time last year. Depressing really. I mean, you’d like the opposition to at least try, otherwise the victories are just too damned easy.

and you gotta love Lynch's LOLCreationist:

Has anyone thought of copying that sweater and selling it to raise money for the cause?

Date: 2007/12/16 18:52:18, Link
Author: khan
I just had a thought of folks wearing them at a ScienceBloggers get together.

Date: 2007/12/29 08:56:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Assassinator @ Dec. 29 2007,05:48)
the burden of proof does not lie on the theist

It does Skeptic, because they're making the claim.

Funny thing is, we're just talking about 1 single image of God, just skeptic's one. There are billions of idea's about what God is. "God", as a word, is meaningless unless a person gives meaning to that word. We don't know what meaning Skeptic gave to the word "God". But he has to take 1 thing in notion: he's just 1 single person, out of 6 billion. He's just 1 of the billions of idea's about what God is, that puts things in perspective. Because out of all those billions of people why would YOU Skeptic be right.

Is the possibility of one god the same as the possibility of 2 gods?  7?  31?...

Date: 2007/12/29 20:27:06, Link
Author: khan
Found a Creationist Bingo:

Date: 2007/12/31 14:50:05, Link
Author: khan
And, for the record, I'd be a *fool* to give you the names of people who peer-reviewed Walt's work.  You'd pick them off one by one and ridicule them and their credentials regardless.  

ID 'science' activities in a nutshell:

"The book was peer-reviewed but we can't tell you by whom."

"We're conducting scientific research but where and about what have to remain secret."

"We're giving an ID award, but the recipient's identity must remain secret."

Reminds me of a bunch of 8 year old boys.

Date: 2008/01/18 18:42:48, Link
Author: khan
my husband's mother gave us 3 acres to build on so we could live next to her...saved us a lot of money.

Live next door to your MIL?


-edited 'cause I can't type worth ****

Date: 2008/01/22 21:06:18, Link
Author: khan
People support him in email; that's all we need to know.

Date: 2008/01/27 17:58:25, Link
Author: khan
for the purpose of converting our youth to godless atheism

Is there some other kind?

Date: 2008/02/11 20:47:53, Link
Author: khan
There are basic tenants of Christianity which are loud and clear.

What do Christians charge for rent?

Look up 'tenant' and 'tenet'.

Date: 2008/02/13 18:41:48, Link
Author: khan
She lies like a fundie.

Date: 2008/02/19 18:52:11, Link
Author: khan
From "Gigi" (1958)
(Lyrics : Alan Jay Lerner / Music : Frederick Loewe)

Poor boy! Poor boy!
Down-hearted and depressed and in a spin
Poor boy! Poor boy!
Oh, youth can really do a fellow in!

How lovely to sit here in the shade
With none of the woes of man and maid
I'm glad I'm not young anymore

The rivals that don't exist at all
The feeling you're only two feet tall
I'm glad that I'm not young anymore

No more confusion
No morning-after surprise
No self-delusion
That when you're telling those lies
She isn't wise

And even if love comes through the door
The chance that goes on forevermore
Forevermore is shorter than before
Oh, I'm so glad that I'm not young anymore

The tiny remark that tortures you
The fear that your friends won't like her too
I'm glad I'm not young anymore
The longing to end the stale affair
Until you find out she doesn't care
I'm glad that I'm not young anymore

No more frustration
No star-crossed lover am I
No aggravation
Just one reluctant reply
"Lady, goodbye!"

The Fountain of Youth is dull as paint
Methuselah is my patron saint
I've never been so comfortable before
Oh, I'm so glad that I'm not young anymore

Date: 2008/02/19 19:10:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 19 2008,08:50)
If you can’t prove or disprove the design hypothesis then it follows you can’t prove or disprove the non-design hypothesis. Thus ID and MET are equally pseudo-scientific. Objectivity (no double standards) would then compel us to reject both. In other words, you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Breaking news: Davescot says ID is pseudo-science. Welcome to the real world DaveScot!

Can you have your cheesy-poofs and eat them too DS?

Date: 2008/02/24 18:47:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 23 2008,21:56)
More Good Taste from UD:      
23 February 2008
Expelled change of release date centers on the dates of Darwin’s birth and death
Ben Stein’s Expelled ( was originally scheduled to be released on February 12th of this year — Darwin’s (and Abraham Lincoln’s) birthday. The official release date now is the weekend of April 18th. Saturday, April 19th, is the day that Darwin died. Perhaps this shift of dates is not coincidental.

If you’re going to see Expelled opening weekend, think about seeing it on the 19th to celebrate Darwinism’s passing.

There's a very slim chance this isn't a case of juvenile bad taste.  Many Catholic Saint's Days celebrate the day the saint became a martyr.  Maybe he's trying to say Darwin is a saint and martyr.  But I think that the odds of Salamanca not being a juvie prick are way over the Universal Probability Boundary.

April 18 is the day Einstein died (1955).

It's also Paul Revere's ride day (On the eighteenth of April in seventy-five, hardly a man is now alive...)

Date: 2008/02/25 19:40:42, Link
Author: khan
As I read this thread (and sometimes venture to UD) an image comes to mind:

Tard flowing from UD like lava flowing from Vesuvius.

Date: 2008/02/25 19:45:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 25 2008,18:06)
Who can quote from the first season of "Space 1999"? Arden? :)

"Human decision required."

Date: 2008/02/28 19:29:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 28 2008,09:56)
From Ben Stein's op-ed Darwinism: The Imperialism of Biology?

Maybe we would have a new theory: We are just pitiful humans. Life is unimaginably complex. We are still trying to figure it out. We need every bit of input we can get. Let's be humble about what we know and what we don't know, and maybe in time, some answers will come.

Shorter Ben Stein: I no nuttin' and iz proud of it.

"I know plenty o' nuthin
And nuthin's plenty for me"

Date: 2008/03/03 19:15:41, Link
Author: khan
I live in Ohio.  I have received calls from Obama, Clinton, and Paul (as well as some locals).  McCain and Huckabee have not called.

Date: 2008/03/05 18:49:00, Link
Author: khan
poachy: Thank you, Granville! Someone had to say it. When I think off all the thousands of biologists with all their book learning and fancy degrees, it is just maddening that they refuse to recongize what is obvious to a simple high school graduate like myself.

Is this not the final plaint of all cranks?

That all the educated folks are blind to the 'facts' so obvious to the average tard?

Date: 2008/03/09 18:58:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 09 2008,00:30)
In the Uncommon Descent 'Speaking of T-Shirts' thread:      
4 Larry Fafarman 03/08/2008 11:08 am
Some of the holiest things don’t even have names. In Judaism, god has no name. In the Koran, Jerusalem has no name.

5 Frost122585 03/08/2008 11:54 am
In Judaism God has a name’ “Yahweh” - Or Jahova- but you aren’t supposed to ever say it. I dont know where you got the idea that God has no name in Judaism from.

6 PannenbergOmega 03/08/2008 12:23 pm
Does not the Lord God say to Moses that He is I Am?

7 DaveScot 03/08/2008 2:00 pm
re; Yahweh
According to a long history of religion I read many years ago that’s YHWH and is not to be pronounced. The 4-letter ancient Hebrew name was translated into english in one variation as JHVH which should be more familiar to American audiences as JeHoVaH.

8 Apollos 03/08/2008 2:04 pm
I believe that Jerusalem (Al-Quds) is nameless in the Qu’ran because it’s not referenced anywhere in the Qu’ran.

9 Apollos 03/08/2008 2:27 pm
Both Yahweh and Jehovah are transliterations (YHWH JHVH) of the literal, actual, and unpronounceable (in more ways than one) name of God, comprised of the Hebrew letters: Yod, Heh, Vav, and Heh. The construction is known as the Tetragrammaton (word of four letters).

10 StephenB 03/08/2008 2:44 pm
In the Old Testament, God deals with primitive people through primitive means, so there is certain relational distance. Bad behavior must be addressed before the subject of intentions and motives can be introduced. That means that there is a lot of violence and crude behavior on both sides. The relationship gradually changes from master/slave to father/God as the crude behavior becomes somewhat more civilized. At that level, a covenant is possible, but intimacy is still a problem.
In the New Testament, the relationship between God and man gradually becomes more intimate, first to the level of friendship, and finally to the level of mutual, self sacrificial love. Concurrently, man begins to consider not only his behavior but the intentions and motives in back of that behavior. What a person does is important, but why he does it is infinitely more important. As that relationship develops, and God becomes known (only analogically of course) man can call on the heavenly father/God in much the same way he would call on an earthly father. In Islam, there is no room for this kind of intimacy because the relationship never advances beyond that of a slave to his master. Accordingly, the slave’s motives never advance beyond obeisance, servility, and duty.

11 jstanley01 03/08/2008 3:27 pm
According to a long history of religion I read many years ago that’s YHWH and is not to be pronounced.
Judaism has taught, perhaps as far back as the 3rd century B.C., that it’s unlawful to utter the tetragrammaton. The tradition falls short of being Biblical, however, seeing as how Ruth 2:4 says:
And, behold, Boaz came from Bethlehem, and said unto the reapers, The Lord [Hebrew, YHWH] be with you. And they answered him, The Lord [Hebrew, YHWH] bless thee.

12 Lutepisc 03/08/2008 3:48 pm
I hope some Hebrew scholar can come along and correct/add to what I recall about the word YHWH. I took only one year of Hebrew, and made B’s, so I’m pretty much at the “lay” level of expertise here.
I’m recalling that the etiology of the tetragrammaton has its roots in the Hebrew verb “to be,” which IIRC is “yiyeh” (the consonants for that would be YHYH). (Sorry I have to transliterate, as I don’t know how to get Hebrew into the blog here.)
When Moses encounters the burning bush in Exodus, he asks, “Whom shall I say sent me (to lead the Israelites out of Egypt)?” Out of the bush comes the reply, “I am the one who is. Tell them ‘I am’ has sent you.”
“You are to say to the children of Israel, YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, has sent me to you.”
The tetragrammaton was sacred, since names were thought to embody the essence of the one named. It was not to be pronounced. Traditionally, “Ha Shem” is used as a substitute, which means simply “The Name.”
Instead, another name was customarily pronounced there (there are many names for the one God in the Hebrew Bible). It may have been “Adonai” or “Elohim,” I don’t remember (but I’m guessing some other UD reader will know). As a reminder to readers of the Biblical text to say “Adonai” rather than “Yahweh” in those places where the tetragrammaton was written, the vowel markings from the substitute name were used wherever the tetragrammaton appeared in the text.
If you don’t know this history but you do know the Hebrew vowels and consonants, you will read the resulting “word” as “Jehovah.” (JeHoVaH.) But there actually is no such word as “Jehovah.” It’s a conflation of the tetragrammaton and the substitute name for God.
As a sideline (this seems to be as good a place as any to say this), I think the name spoken to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus is a really astute response to Dawkins’ question, “Who designed the designer?” If the designer is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (which clearly isn’t necessary for ID but dovetails nicely with ID), then no one designed the designer. The designer is “the One Who Is”…whose essence is His existence. Who is, as Paul Tillich puts it, “the ground of being.”

13 Gods iPod 03/08/2008 3:57 pm
I study Hebrew. Apollos is correct.

14 jstanley01 03/08/2008 4:14 pm
In the New Testament, the relationship between God and man gradually becomes more intimate…
At the risk of interjecting more theological observations here than the guidelines are wont to welcome: Rather abruptly, actually, on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), the relationship of believers to the Father became one of sons (Greek, huios, used equally of sons and daughters):
Galatians 4:4-7
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons [Greek, huiothesia, literally “placement as sons”].
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Not a bad deal, actually…

15 Lutepisc 03/08/2008 4:20 pm
God’s iPod, I’m not sure what you mean. JHVH and YHWH are simply two different English transliterations of the tetragrammaton, which consists only of consonants. The vowels come from somewhere else.

16 Apollos 03/08/2008 4:30 pm
That’s a great point about the Ruth reference, jstanley.
Some have suggested that the change in practice came about as a result of the Babylonian captivity, where many Hebrew words obtained their Aramaic meaning. Hence, where the Law stated that it was a sin to blashpeme the name of God, the Aramaic equivalent imposed the meaning pronounce the name of God. It’s an interesting theory. Yahweh - Wikipedia. (See Historical Overview.)
However I searched all throughout the Old Testament and found verbal references to YHWH, even in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah (post Babylonian captivity). So this would be something that happened probably between 430 BC and around 270 BC, as extant copies of the Septuagint substitute kurios (Gr.) among other words. This may have been a result of the imposition of Greek law upon the known world, circa 332 BC. Also, New Testament books largely quote from the Septuagint, making use of the kurios locution.

17 StephenB 03/08/2008 4:35 pm jstanley01: I think your comments are appropriate for the thread. The issue of God’s approachability developed naturally from Dave’s worship theme, which was quite funny by the way.

18 jstanley01 03/08/2008 5:12 pm
Actually, I swiped the Ruth reference from the Wikipedia article Names of God in Judaism. But I suspected what your research has borne out — that its not the only verbal reference ins Scripture for YHWH.
Discombobulating ancient traditions from the original Biblical practices is often a daunting task. Take the phylacteries of Matthew 23:5, that orthodox Jews wear to this day; apparently in a literal obedience to Proverbs 3:3 et. al., which were commands that I believe were originally meant to be taken figuratively.

All science so far.

Even if he does say Jehovah

Date: 2008/03/12 19:18:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (slpage @ Mar. 12 2008,19:44)
Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 12 2008,09:11)
Quote (slpage @ Mar. 12 2008,08:45)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 12 2008,07:32)
Another piece in the Joe G puzzle. In response to a question from Allen MacNeill:

And, while we’re at it, what field and laboratory research have you done to collect empirical evidence for an alternate theory, and where has it been published?

I have been too busy working on national security issues- detecting biological & chemical agents- and recovering from injuries I sustained in Iraq- three surgeries down and hopefully only one more to go.

Looks like he is a bit delusional.

He's an electronics engineer - a technician - for crying out loud...

Sounds like he may have been a civilian contractor. Maybe he hurt his back lifting a refrigerator.

Or digging a latrine...

Unfortunately, ol' Joey complained about having back surgery YEARS ago - well before the 'war on terror'.

I think he is just milking it, trying to make himself out to be a tough guy getting hurt in Iraq.... digging latrines...  I think his original back problem stemmed from trying to engage in autofellatio and realising that he couldn't quite reach.

There once was a man from Nantucket...

Date: 2008/03/16 17:53:24, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 16 2008,17:06)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 16 2008,17:01)
gross i like to take a dump before i take a shower.

Admit it: You like the dump best IN the shower.

Date: 2008/03/24 20:40:04, Link
Author: khan
I wish I had known the circus was in town in November, only a mile or two from my house.  Ah well.

Date: 2008/03/25 19:38:11, Link
Author: khan
Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five...

Date: 2008/03/25 19:46:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 25 2008,20:06)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 25 2008,16:18)
I suggest you heed what my mother taught me: People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Err… come to think of it that wasn’t my mom. It was my immediate superior in the Marine Corps 30 years ago who said that. He moonlighted as a bartender and, like all great bartenders, had short bits of good advice handy for any situation.

Actually, Dave, that WAS your mother.

My bold.  That would be Latrine Digger, First Class.

[after Will has spent all night cleaning the latrine, Sgt. King is amazed at how beautiful it is]
Sergeant King: Wait 'til the Captain sees this. Why he inspects this place like it was an operating room where somebody was gonna cut out his heart. Never in your life have you seen such a guy for stickin' his head right down into things.
[looks at the commodes]
Will Stockdale: You figure he'll like what I done?
Sergeant King: He'll be a new man. Will, uh, how would you like to be Permanent Latrine Orderly?
Will Stockdale: Permanent Latrine Orderly?
Sergeant King: P.L.O.
Will Stockdale: Go-o-o-lee!

Date: 2008/04/01 19:29:04, Link
Author: khan
Good grief.  ID is even stupider than I thought.  It's too stupid for Dinesh D'Souza.

I wouldn't have thought that possible.

Date: 2008/04/01 19:32:01, Link
Author: khan
What's especially ironic is that Ann Coulter, who enlisted Dembski's help for her horrid little book attacking evolution, used to bump uglies with D'Souza many years ago.

What a hideous image.

BTW: Isn't 'bumping' outside of marriage supposed to be 'a bad thing'?

Date: 2008/04/02 18:19:42, Link
Author: khan
A computer glitch, however, made it possible for certain individuals to RSVP to some screenings when they in fact had not been invited, Mathis said. The same glitch also occurred on March 19 in Boston where at least 30 percent of the audience members were antagonistic toward the film's message, he said.

I thought blaming the computer for your own incompetence went out in the '80s.

Date: 2008/04/02 18:37:20, Link
Author: khan
Does this count:

Date: 2008/04/04 18:49:21, Link
Author: khan
I've been developing a faux conspiracy theory for a story I'm writing that uses income inequality as its premise. The super wealthy have a sort of tri-lateral commission type agency where they conspire to bring about double inflation for a period of time until money is worth about 10% of current value. The super rich first buy up the assets since they are now the only ones with any cash and create the only jobs in the chaos, that of soldiers in their private armies, and let the public works dissolve. With no running water, electricity, gas etc, and environmental destruction exacerbated by desperation the humans not living in the enclaves die off, horribly of course…

I think we're headed for the New Feudalism.  And Joe Sixpack thinks that's a good idea, because he envisions himself inside the moat.

Anyway, persons are reasonable, people aren't. I've met a lot of very civic minded business and political leaders but they often suffer from the infinite resource syndrome. They just can't accept that logical conclusions follow from evidence. One person actually said to me (referring to the Ogallala aquifer in the American Midwest) during a presentation I was giving on various managed resource systems, "We'll just genetically engineer salt resistant crops. What are you, a Malthusian liberal?"

I simply can't imagine any way to feed 9 billion people after  peak oil (coal, natural gas, fish, grain, clean water...)

Probably, like the polar bears, we shall start eating each other.

People on left and right seem to be assuming a deus ex machina.

Date: 2008/04/07 19:33:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Cheezits @ April 07 2008,16:44)
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ April 07 2008,14:43)
Louis said, "I wonder if Kevin knows how much Hitler was influenced by christianity, and just how irrelevant to the factual accuracy of either evolutionary biology or christianity such "arguments" are."

I'm fully aware of how Hitler was influenced by christianity, enough to know that he fully rejected Christian ethics as weak and unnatural. His overriding ethic was that only the strongest should be allowed to survive. That was the rule of nature, so we should do everything possible to help evolution along. How does this bear on the factual accuracy of evolutionary biology? Not at all. But evolutionary biology has never been just about the science. Why else would there be such a heated debate over it? All scientific theories and philosophies have consequences, intended or otherwise. So you can't just pretend like the connection doesn't exist. Hitler isn't the only one to pick up on the ethical implications of Darwinism. They were evident to Darwin himself and everyone else who initially heard his theory.

Quote (kevinmillerxi @ April 07 2008,14:43)
But evolutionary biology has never been just about the science. Why else would there be such a heated debate over it?

Because scientifically illiterate fundies can't understand it and can't cope with the truth.  They've had it drummed into them by their pastors that if evolution is true then God can't exist and their lives have no meaning.  Don't blame biologists for making fundies believe they can't live without their fairy tale version of God!

It is very common for cranks/loons to accuse rational folks of being unreasonable/emotional when they point out factual/logical errors.

Date: 2008/04/12 21:11:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (skeptic @ April 12 2008,18:43)
I might have to go back and reread because a few things stand out in my memory but foremost was Louis' requirement of context.  Am I thinking of a different thread?  It could be my error, all our discussions tend to blend together.  If I get some spare time I'll go back and refresh myself.

lol, I might have just had a Hilary moment.

Who (or what) is Hilary?

Date: 2008/04/14 18:08:36, Link
Author: khan
A Cooper's Hawk grabbed a bird (finch?) out of midair about 6 feet from my front window (near the bird feeder).  There's also a Northern Harrier that favors doves.

Date: 2008/04/15 16:19:59, Link
Author: khan
Is anyone else irritated by 'try and' when it should be 'try to'?

Date: 2008/04/19 20:38:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 19 2008,14:46)
Several people have remarked that, while never formally banned, their comments simply stopped appearing on UD. If that happened to you, then PM me with the details. After conducting a thorough background check*, I'll include you in a compilation of similar unknown soldiers. If you otherwise don't find yourself in my compilation, let me know.

* Sent me a PM? Yes. Cleared.

I'm not one of the banned, but I am just disgusted by the total infantile puerile amoral behavior of these cretinous yahoos.

They can't even openly ban posters.

My opinion of fundieshits is only confirmed by their behavior: By their fruits ye shall know (Matthew 7:16)

Date: 2008/04/21 19:52:22, Link
Author: khan
since they know that if we took a peak

Mt Whitney?

Date: 2008/04/22 18:50:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ April 22 2008,17:21)
In making his case, Gilbert walks us through a series of fascinating--and in some ways troubling--facts about the way our minds work. In particular, Gilbert is interested in delineating the shortcomings of imagination. We're far too accepting of the conclusions of our imaginations. Our imaginations aren't particularly imaginative.

(from here, , also linked from PP)

Isn't it a shame Behe didn't understand this. He could have saved himself the embarrassment of the last decade. 'Course, he would have missed out on a lot of cold hard cash, so maybe he's better off.

A working hypothesis: When someone says "we all know that...", whatever follows is likely to be ugly and a lie.

Date: 2008/04/22 18:52:02, Link
Author: khan
Well I'm only sixteen
I've got a ruptured spleen
And I always carry a purse

Date: 2008/04/22 19:30:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Annyday @ April 22 2008,20:02)
Quote (khan @ April 22 2008,18:50)
Quote (stevestory @ April 22 2008,17:21)
In making his case, Gilbert walks us through a series of fascinating--and in some ways troubling--facts about the way our minds work. In particular, Gilbert is interested in delineating the shortcomings of imagination. We're far too accepting of the conclusions of our imaginations. Our imaginations aren't particularly imaginative.

(from here, , also linked from PP)

Isn't it a shame Behe didn't understand this. He could have saved himself the embarrassment of the last decade. 'Course, he would have missed out on a lot of cold hard cash, so maybe he's better off.

A working hypothesis: When someone says "we all know that...", whatever follows is likely to be ugly and a lie.

Have you ever read Foucault's Pendulum? Right before someone says something completely batshit insane in that book, they always say "As everybody knows..." or equivalent. Strikingly, I have yet to hear such a phrase used in any other context.

Haven't read it.

I formulated my hypothesis while observing my ex-MIL, who was a devout xian who was intolerant of just about everybody (did you know that the entertainment industry is all a Jewish-Catholic conspiracy?).

Date: 2008/04/22 19:33:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Quidam @ April 22 2008,20:09)
Slimy Sal really does earn his nick name.  Anne was not particularly sickly for an age without the benefits of modern medicine.  Let's hope the anti-science crusaders are not successful and we don't have to go back to pre-enlightenment days

First cousin marriages were not and are not uncommon.  God commanded many cousins to marry, including Zelophehad's 5 daughters, Eleazar's daughters, Jacob (who married both Rachel and Leah, first cousins), and Isaac and Rebekkah (first cousins once removed). All were ancestors of Jesus Christ, who as we all know was sickly and died young.

Albert Einstein married his first cousin. All European countries permit marriage between first cousins. It is also legal throughout Canada and Mexico for cousins to marry. The USA is the only western country with cousin marriage restrictions - and even here 26 states allow first cousin marriages. The risks are minimal.

Minimal, unless it becomes the norm.

Date: 2008/04/24 18:22:27, Link
Author: khan
Aren't right-wingers (free enterprise fundies) usually really big on property rights and ownership and such?

Date: 2008/04/26 20:18:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (ERV @ April 26 2008,21:02)
Quote (didymos @ April 26 2008,19:09)
But, per Dembski:

"So, for our culture's secular elite, a film that shows how Christianity 'culminated in the Holocaust' constitutes cutting-edge cultural commentary."

I *love* it when WAD talks about The Elite.

He has the velvety smooth, lily white hands of a mathematician.

But he doesnt actually *work*--Hasnt published shit in math, and boy teaches *one* night class a week in 'theology' or something stupid like that.

But boy gets paid just short of $10,000 to blither on about biology for an hour.

'Secular' elite?


Nice work if you can get it.

Date: 2008/04/26 20:24:00, Link
Author: khan
Whenever I try to post an avatar, I get a reply saying something about a not allowed type.  What is allowed?

Date: 2008/05/01 18:49:20, Link
Author: khan

I have clothes that old.

Happy Birthday.

Date: 2008/05/01 18:55:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (ERV @ May 01 2008,18:14)
Blogger just emailed to apologize.

It was a nice little note, and he wanted to assure me that it was an algorithm that deleted me, not a human.

I gave him a few suggestions for how to help bloggers.

We are cool now.

Sounds like the all purpose excuse from the '80s: "The computer made an error."

Date: 2008/05/03 18:35:16, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2008/05/10 19:17:35, Link
Author: khan
I live in a small house on a small lot (~50' x 100').  Electric wires run across the back of the property.

Observed: a cardinal on a wire singing; another cardinal on a wire ~50 or so feet along, singing;  first cardinal walks sideways on the wire and resumes singing; second cardinal responds; first cardinal walks sideways a bit more and resumes singing...

Date: 2008/05/11 12:03:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 11 2008,12:08)
Indeed, the fact that's also a rather scarce (and gorgeous) species of bird makes it even better. Even the big mosquito in his mouth is a delightful touch.

Do you take requests? How about a Bachman's Warbler next?  :p

Dick Davenport - Lacey's longtime friend later married. An avid bird watcher of endangered bird species. Died in a controversial 1986 strip asking God to take a picture of a bachman's warbler.

Date: 2008/05/15 18:40:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 14 2008,19:16)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 14 2008,15:54)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ May 14 2008,13:59)
Looks like Waterloo has been postponed.  Again.

Dammit. So I bought all those canned goods and guns for nothing. :angry:


For the last 20 years or so, when I encounter some nitwit "survivalist" with guns and canned goods, I ask them how large their goat herd is, and how will they deal with the hybrid instability of Golden Bantam?

(Trick question about corn, I know.  But it takes 3 years and a couple of acres to get the joke).

I was involved in circumventing the Y2K meltdown (via programming drudgery), and observed many of the apocalyptic websites.

Observations thereof:

Only white male heterosexual protestants need apply
Guns and God and Gold are all that is needed to triumph
Abysmal knowledge of actual skills needed to survive without infrastructure
Manly men can handle draft animals without training
Questions about gardening: "Carrots and onions don't produce seeds"

Date: 2008/05/15 19:07:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,13:09)

Olberman blasts His Holiness, The Glorified Houseplant Who Would Be Caesar

One of his best.

Best quote:

virtually written in the margins in crayon

Date: 2008/05/20 19:25:49, Link
Author: khan
In SW Ohio.

Date: 2008/05/22 20:15:45, Link
Author: khan
I grew up in a small town that had a virus named after it: Coxsackie.

Date: 2008/06/01 18:45:48, Link
Author: khan
Also, it's the act, not the person, that is forever immoral.  What I mean by that is that there are very few people who haven't engaged in biblically immoral behavior.  I certainly have, and I've also found that those moral reminders in the Bible are there for a reason.  Whenever I've chosen to turn my back on those guidelines, my acts have led to further conflict in my life.

You ate shrimp?

Date: 2008/06/03 19:22:04, Link
Author: khan
Clicks always pissed me off in high school, and I certainly don't feel any differently now.  


Date: 2008/06/09 18:48:05, Link
Author: khan
Cap'n, there be serious tard on board.

Date: 2008/06/13 19:21:47, Link
Author: khan
I've recently gotten into serious salad making: some proteins and starches and lots of greens and other veggies.

A new one yesterday was mustard greens  (from local farmers) with several other vegetables and steak (also local) and walnut oil and red wine vinegar and a bit of mustard.

Date: 2008/06/14 20:41:36, Link
Author: khan
As Mother used to say:

Good Lord Mable!

Date: 2008/06/19 21:28:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ June 19 2008,20:13)
hope they take Louisiana to court and make a big deal out of this. This time our side needs to be prepared and force the issue that matters: teaching evolution in public schools is a thinly disguised attempt to teach atheism and that the attempts to silence critique of evolution is proof of an atheist conspiracy to teach a government sanctioned specific religious viewpoint as the only scientific and therefore authentic ontological explanation of our existence and is therefore unconstitutional…as it is nothing more then state sponsorship of a specific religious viewpoint.

That argumant went over well in Edwards v. Aguillard, didn't it?
[QUOTE]The Act does not grant teachers a flexibility that they did not already possess to supplant the present science curriculum with the presentation of theories, besides evolution, about the origin of life. Indeed, the Court of Appeals found that no law prohibited Louisiana public school teachers from teaching any scientific theory.

I'm amazed at the huge amounts of energy and time devoted to plumbing new depths of tard.

Date: 2008/06/19 22:03:39, Link
Author: khan
I couldn't find the thread about bornagain77 (or is my mind slipping?).

Other nanny filter words?:

Date: 2008/06/23 20:23:10, Link
Author: khan
Seriously, I'd contribute (got my $600 US tax bribe today).

Date: 2008/06/29 18:25:34, Link
Author: khan
Hope I die before I get old(er).

Date: 2008/06/30 21:25:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ June 30 2008,21:38)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 30 2008,15:18)
Is Steve here? Could this be true?      
1 member is celebrating his/her birthday today  
>stevestory (32)

More importantly, will there be cake?

It's no hoax. I am 32 today. I did 32 laps in Bowman Gray pool in celebration this afternoon.

There will not be cake, but there will be booze. I bought airplane bottles of Everclear, Woodford Reserve, Bacardi Peach Red, and Jameson's. Friends just took me out to Margaret's Cantina which has damn fine mexican food.

I have clothes older than 32.

Happy Birthday.

Date: 2008/07/01 21:03:47, Link
Author: khan
Something I've wondered about:

If (in the USA) one can only use English, which English can one use?

English as it is spoken in: Brooklyn, Chicago, rural Georgia, UP Michigan, Down East...?

If we insist upon English, must we eliminate local accents?

Date: 2008/07/02 17:28:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ July 02 2008,15:30)
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 02 2008,11:58)
Anyone who remembers a dream knows that what we see and feel are constructs of the brain. Anyone who has kicked a large stone with bare feet knows that the constructs correlate with something "real."

But what if you kick a stone in a dream? ;)

(I've dreamed about dreaming, I am not kidding you. It usually portends a nasty headache.)

I dream about dreaming, and about talking to people about dreaming about dreaming.

I dream about having insomnia.

I dream about waking up and realize I'm dreaming about waking up, them dreaming about waking up...

Date: 2008/07/06 20:02:02, Link
Author: khan
I get this message when I click on certain parts of
Telic Thoughts Thread


403 - Forbidden

Date: 2008/07/07 19:07:46, Link
Author: khan
I would like to add as a 57 year old female retired mainframe programmer:  the chauvinistic misogynistic creotards can kiss my grits.

Date: 2008/07/11 18:07:12, Link
Author: khan
Oh, and I apologize to everyone here for everything I've said the past two days.  I've been on an ivy

An ivy?

Date: 2008/07/11 19:11:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ftk @ July 11 2008,18:31)
I'd be perfectly content if PZ would just put a visible disclaimer on his blog drawing attention to the fact that his views are his alone and not that of his place of employment.  

I mean, let's be honest, PZ does go *out of his way* to try to piss off anyone who believes in a higher power.  He's a bigot.  period.

The worst thing about him is that he absolutely feeds the hard core religious right who are looking to point out the antics of the villiage atheist mentality.  PZ = exactly what they are looking for.

So will I "go to hell" for dissing a biscuit?

I can't imagine what it is like to spend my life living in fear that I might have a thought.

Date: 2008/07/12 19:49:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ July 12 2008,20:40)
Quote (keiths @ July 12 2008,14:05)
The reaction of believers to perceived "blasphemy" or "desecration" has long fascinated me.
Other believers might concede that their God is unharmed by blasphemy, but complain that they are personally offended by having their beliefs mocked.  To them I would point out the following:

1. Some people think your beliefs (whatever they are) are ridiculous whether they say so or not.  Get used to it.  If you interpret silence as tacit agreement, you are mistaken.

2. People have every right to believe in magic crackers, that Rev. Moon is God, that Xenu was our galactic overlord, or that John Frum will return to the islands with lots of cargo.  They don't have the right to compel the rest of us to regard these beliefs as anything but risible, or to force us to mute our disdain.

Does that distain allow you to disrupt a religious observance? Does that distain allow you to take church property?

Plus, I also wonder about the predictable reaction of believers- is it incitement to mess with their rituals?

Let's imagine that there is a child's birthday party in a public park- The family is deeply religious and they have their eyes closed in prayer.  You are more wise than they are and so you dump the birthday cake on the ground.

You get arrested.  It is as simple as that.  If you get a good ass kicking resisting arrest, few courts would probably bother prosecuting the family members.


Date: 2008/07/13 17:47:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ July 13 2008,17:22)
Quote (rhmc @ July 13 2008,14:15)
i fail to see how making fun of catholics and their closely held beliefs is any worse (or any better) than making fun of IDiots and their closely held beliefs.

perhaps the joke was taken a bit further than necessary but quite honestly, a lot of religious beliefs are held up to ridicule on many threads in this forum.

I think it is fine and dandy to ridicule people for believing absurd things. It is rude, and generally unnecessary, but it is certainly First Amendment protected speech.

In the case of ID and creationism in general, they are trying to inflict their beliefs on the public, and use legal tricks to do it. That is a violation of the Constitution.

If you diss the biscuit
The jebus will hits ya

Date: 2008/07/14 19:39:21, Link
Author: khan
Most Published Photo Of A Sweater - EVAR - Dr. Dr. D

I must confess, I have developed sweater lust.  I want one, I want PZ to have one, I want many people to wear one to a science gathering.

Date: 2008/07/16 19:06:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 16 2008,12:55)
Apparently, Melanie herself has shown up at Greg Laden's Blog.

ETA her comment, in its entirety:

First off, it is amazing at all the speculation out there. Number one, i will not be leaving my husband due to this mistake. Number two he is not a crazy lunatic, but a very passionate man when it comes to his party and his religion. He's a great person, great father and yes feels absolutely horrible about what has happened to me. As his wife, am i worried about any threats.. no i am not as i know it was just a rage via email. Did he directly threaten anyones life, no he did not. In any case, the tone and text of the email was not appropriate and he did send an email apology to PZ. For the record and i do not owe anyone anything.. i was on vacation until 7/14, i was called on friday evening and informed that some work was due and the deadline was monday morning. I was also apologized to for being asked to work during my vacation of which i take far and few between. I came in during my vacation as a courtesy to my flowers team. I use my own personal pc for work and yes I do work from home as a sales and service manager. I am extremely careful with my applications and have been a valued ( thought i was) employee for 7 years. Once i completed what i needed to do, i logged off ALL applications. My email is password protected, my RSA log in is password protected as well as my VPN and NO ONE has my complex passwords. My husband went on to the drudge report site that he reads and clicked on a link and came across that man pz's notice and responded as he always does when he is upset. Was his text extreme yes it was, would he follow through, never. I want to clear the air and tried to with my company. I was not logged into work when this happened and somehow when i logged off my exchange server email i use i set it as my default (must have clicked on yes as it does ask upon sigh in). So when my husband click on the email address to respond to the newsletter it was coming from flowers email. I am not sure how as i was not connected to VPN but that is neither here nor there and something i will take up with them. My personal email(optonline) has always been my default. No excuses here folks, this is what went down. I have nothing to hide and no reason or desire to note these blogs. If i hadn't been the dedicated employee i was i would have said "heck no, im not working on my vacation" but i am not the type and felt it my duty to make sure my annual reviews were in time for my team members to receive their annual raises. As for 1-800-Flowers, they are a wonderful company and have always been good to me and my family. They do offer a great service and i sure hope you utilitze them or continue to do so if you are a current customer. On that note, you have no way of knowing if this is me or not, but i can assure you it is. Everyone has their opinions but the things that have been posted about my company and myself are herrendous and quite frankly is making me physically ill. Please enough with the harsh comments about me, my husband and my former employer.

If true, that is one messed up dude.

Date: 2008/07/17 20:32:29, Link
Author: khan
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

Date: 2008/07/21 18:16:37, Link
Author: khan
Once, 20 or more years ago, the Monarch butterfly migration came through my street (SW Ohio).  Thousands of them settling into the trees for the night.

Date: 2008/07/31 18:25:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 31 2008,12:38)
My neighbor has a lot of bird feeders in his backyard, and it resulted in periodic visits from a small hawk. I think it's a Cooper's.  Yesterday I got to see it grab a Goldfinch off of one of the feeders.

I saw a Coopers grab a finch (sparrow?) out of mid air near the bird feeder.

Date: 2008/08/01 17:59:05, Link
Author: khan
The favorite prey of Coopers Hawks & Northern Harriers is doves (at least in my front yard).

I'll see if I can dig up some photos of feathers.

Date: 2008/08/02 18:30:32, Link
Author: khan
A rebuttal to the nature crunchy granola types: it's a jungle out there.

Cats killing birds squirrels rabbits chipmunks.

Grackles killing finches.

Hawks killing finches sparrows doves.

Blue Jays stealing worms from robins.

And all just in my front yard.

Date: 2008/08/02 18:44:46, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

I say, "Rage on, PZ".  I'm not one bit sorry if ripping the superstition out of the science class by its tonsils pisses people off.

I am an almost 60 year old female atheist, and I am $%^& tired of automatic respect for fundietards and their bronze age misogynistic beliefs.

Date: 2008/08/02 20:08:41, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

The point, the goal here, is to get and keep the cloaked creationism TARD of the Discovery Institute and Uncommon Descent out of the science classroom, and in the end that will get and keep the cloaked theocracy TARD of the Discovery Institute and Uncommon Descent out of the political arena as a happy and desirable side effect.

We need the Elsberrys and the Braytons, but we need Myerses, too.


I find it affirming to know that there are others out there who validate my beliefs (and lack thereof).

Date: 2008/08/07 17:30:21, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 07 2008,14:21)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 07 2008,12:51)
well i know it is hilarious to consider, but I'm serious.  What's up with that?

it's like some kinda gay locker room over there.  not that it isn't here sometimes... dammit Arden you are making us look bad.  

i thought about it for about five seconds (all that it deserves, probably) and it occurred to me that perhaps you could blame it on the lack of women participating in science in general, for whatever reasons.

or perhaps the fairer sex sees this as the bullshit that it is, and is thus not interested in paying lip servce to an uber-yanged cultural renaissance.  

i dunno.  but if you are trying to pick up chicks I suggest UD is the wrong place to be.

Is it just me, or is the female part of humanity kind of under-represented on teh intertubez in general?

I'm female, but everyone assumes I'm male.

Date: 2008/08/07 17:32:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 07 2008,14:43)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 07 2008,14:25)

why is UD populated by this repressed male angst?  shouldn't a healthy social movement have visible participation from females too?  perhaps they are covering their heads and relegating them to preparing the food.  

Don't forget this, too.

Is it just me, or is the female part of humanity kind of under-represented on teh intertubez in general?

It's just you:

But hey, Telic Thoughts has Joy, right?


Some of the commenters here that you think are men are actually women. Many women got in the habit of representing themselves as men on the internet, in order to keep the pervs away.

Or just not saying one way or the other.

Date: 2008/08/07 17:43:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 07 2008,18:33)
Quote (khan @ Aug. 07 2008,18:30)
Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 07 2008,14:21)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 07 2008,12:51)
well i know it is hilarious to consider, but I'm serious.  What's up with that?

it's like some kinda gay locker room over there.  not that it isn't here sometimes... dammit Arden you are making us look bad.  

i thought about it for about five seconds (all that it deserves, probably) and it occurred to me that perhaps you could blame it on the lack of women participating in science in general, for whatever reasons.

or perhaps the fairer sex sees this as the bullshit that it is, and is thus not interested in paying lip servce to an uber-yanged cultural renaissance.  

i dunno.  but if you are trying to pick up chicks I suggest UD is the wrong place to be.

Is it just me, or is the female part of humanity kind of under-represented on teh intertubez in general?

I'm female, but everyone assumes I'm male.

Why on earth would that be?

That must arouse wrath.

On the internet my posts/opinions/behaviors come across as male.

Once I say I am female, it seems all my opinions have to be reconsidered.

Date: 2008/08/08 18:23:05, Link
Author: khan
Quote (fusilier @ Aug. 08 2008,13:35)

Ford just sold Rover and Jaguar to Tata of India - the Indian outfit - so you could say that they are back in The Raj.

OTOH, Louis, a friend used to belong to the Detroit MG/Triumph Club and he said that the Lucas Electric logo* looked like a blown fuse for a reason.

*"Why do Brits drink warm beer?
Because they have Lucas refrigerators."

Edited (just because I can) to add:  And what, exactly, do you have against the Taurus?  My '07 drives fine, gets 28 mpg highway, and keeps the windows nice and clear when we get the one-each-week-in-the-winter sleet storm.

The reason Britain doesn't export computers is they can't figure out how to make them leak oil.

Disclaimer: owned an MG in the '70s.

Date: 2008/08/09 18:27:29, Link
Author: khan
Have many more happy ones.

Date: 2008/08/10 19:37:21, Link
Author: khan
I have received an email from someone offering to educate me on creationism.

I think it tracks from here.

Should I report it, post it...?

(I don't feel threatened.)

Date: 2008/08/11 16:36:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 10 2008,22:00)
i got one too, a link to a godtube video

Creation - A Historical Reality

Group: Probationers
Posts: 0
Joined: Aug. 2008
Posted: Aug. 10 2008,18:52
I have put together a short presentation on creation and I am wondering whether you might be interested in reviewing it?

Thank you,

John Phillips

haven't looked at it yet.  is this what you meant khan?

Yes that's the one.

How many people were contacted by the creotard?

Date: 2008/08/11 16:42:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Quack @ Aug. 11 2008,17:37)
I hope I can post this here on the BW:

I was approached by a lurker here, both with a PM and an email:

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:45:35 -0500 (CDT) wrote:
> Email Generated by Ikonboard
> Quack,
> This email has been sent from guiguysjohn via Ikonboard.
> (
> -------------------------------------------------
> I have put together a short presentation on creation and
>I am wondering whether you might be interested in
>reviewing it?
> Thank you,
(name deleted)
> -------------------------------------------------
> Please note, Ikonboard cannot be held responsible for
>the content of this email

To which I replied:

From: ROLF <>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:49:04 AM
Subject: Re: Creation - A Historical Reality

Hi, I am sorry to disappoint you. I have some trouble listening to Youtube since my ears are not quite what they used to be. As a radio operator way back in my army days I was very good at interpreting what was said under difficult conditions, but now the high frequency/treble response is not so good.

A transcript would have been fine, but in this case I wouldn't even bother with that for the simple reason that your message is just the same tired old message that we hear from creationists all the time.

We have the bible, it is available for anyone to interpret according to his personal preference. When you have faith, nothing else matters. My slogan is: Where faith walks in, reason walks out.

One of the Bible thumpers favourite gotcha's is "Were you there?", to which I can only reply: Were you there when the bible was written?

The evidence for evolution is good enough, the Bible just is not relevant for science. There are so much creationist stuff out there alredy so you cannot possibly have anything new to say. You might as well put the Gettysburg speech, the declaration of independence, the constitution, Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream Speech or whatever on Youtube, it wouldn't matter.

So long, be happy you have a faith and can die with a smile on your lips.

And got this follow up:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
(name deletedet) wrote:
> If my scientists had put something together which
>violated the laws of fossilization I think I would want
>to know more.
> Here's the script.
> Have a nice day.
> (name deleted)
[the transcript deleted]

To which I replied:

Hi (name),
I'll gladly oblige; just scanning the document I found a glaring error:

The C-14 method is not used to date anything older than 50.000 years!

It is based on the fact that while C-14 is created all the time in our atmosphere by solar radiation, as soon as a tree or anything else dies and stops absorbing anything from the atmosphere, it's C-14 level will begin to drop at a rate determined by the half-life of C-14. This means that after about 50k years, the amount of C-14 left is too small to provide reliable data.

And for calibration, a number of methods have been employed that have enabled science to establish the reliability of the method. Whatever you have been told; I am a firm supporter of science and have no reason to think that scientists are not ("not" was inadvertently left out in my reply) really doing their best to ensure that the results of their work is as accurate as possible.

In addition, there are always a pack of other scientists at your throat if you miss something or make an error! There are laurels to be had for any scientist who can prove another fellow scientist wrong, mistaken or in error.

So please, do not make the common mistake of assuming scientists are stupid, ignorant and just interested in proving whatever they believe is true; They are constantly testing themselves and their theories!

I am not a scientist but I have been interested in science ever since I was eight years old and learned about the first 'live' coelecanth found in 1938 - a fish that had been thought to have been extinct for 50 million years. How I wondered how they could know or assume it became extinct 50 million years ago! But it did not for a moment occur to me to doubt that the species really had existed back then.

And nobody had told me anything about fossils or the age of the Earth yet - but I found out when I bought my first science book at 13, from money earned in my first job.

I am 78 now and think I know what I am talking about. And my brain is as good as new, or even better, stuffed with knowledge I didn't have at birth!

I forgot the main point: Radiometric dating is an important tool for dating object back millions or billions of years. Google if you need to know more. You will find answers to ALL the questions you may have, try the talkorigins archive. Creationists are making all kinds of accusations against the t.o. archive, but it is accurate as far as representing mainstream, peer reviewed science!

May this day have nothing but joy in store for you!



I hope he will follow my advice and ask for enlightenment on this board!

Got the same crap, didn't even look at it.

Date: 2008/08/12 17:30:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,17:16)
Don't you find posting more or less the same thing under different names is not really advancing the cause? Do you think people are going to read such blog posts and be convinced? You say it is so, and it is so?

I always post with my real name, except on Pharyngula.
PZ doesn't like me so he blocks my name and IP address (with no success, I might add.)

As a parent of 4 children and a teacher for 33 years, I don't underestimate the value of repeating the same thing over and over.
You just never know who is paying attention.

Effin' troll.

Date: 2008/08/13 17:23:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 13 2008,17:57)
Quote (cewagner @ Aug. 12 2008,21:10)
It always ends this way.

Waldorf: Just when you think this show is terrible something wonderful happens.
Statler: What?
Waldorf: It ends.

Waldorf:"I liked it."

Statler: "'You liked World War Two.'"

Date: 2008/08/17 18:27:12, Link
Author: khan
One of the things I have noticed over the intervening couple of years is the circle-the-wagon attitude from both camps.

Both the reality and fantasy based camps?

Date: 2008/08/21 17:11:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Assassinator @ Aug. 20 2008,16:14)
The only prayer I never really understood, was the prayer before diner. Why thanking an mythological and transcendant being?? The farmer who grew the food deserves the thanks, the supermarket personal who make sure it's available to you, and ofcourse the person earning the money in your house so you can buy the food. Why not thanking the right sources?
As for the other moments, I kinda understand why people do it. Some people simply need to support themselfs, humans are emotionally pretty weak creatures.

"Dear God, we paid for all this stuff ourselves, so thanks for nothing."

-Bart Simpson prayer at dinner

Date: 2008/08/21 20:27:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Mike in Ontario, NY @ Aug. 21 2008,21:24)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 21 2008,19:33)
I just walked about a mile to the convenience store, for beer and cigarettes, in bare feet because what's the point of soaking my shoes?

No shoes, no service Spicoli!

"No shoes, no service."

"No bras no panties, no problem."

Date: 2008/08/22 17:08:36, Link
Author: khan
Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 22 2008,15:27)
We know full well what ID is and isn't.

As a lifelong atheist/agnostic, I resent the implication that ID and religious creationism are the same thing.

The notion of intelligent design has been hijacked by those with a religious agenda to promote. Almost all proponents of ID do in fact have a religious agenda and they must be stopped from disseminating their ideology in public schools. The trick is to separate legitimate scientific investigation of intelligent design from religious creationism. As it stands now, most scientists are afraid to even talk about the subject for fear of being misquoted or having their own words used as religious propaganda. This has had a chilling effect on legitimate science that may take decades to repair. Ideology has no place in any public school science classroom and it must be stopped wherever it occurs. But one must also recognize that there have also been zealots on the evolutionist side who want to teach mechanisms of evolution that have no empirical support. The answer is simple and clear. Religious creationism must be eliminated from school curriculums and darwinian evolution must be taught not as fact, but in it's historical context. There is enough factual science, from anatomy to zoology to fill any school's scientific curriculum with non-controversial, factual science. Any teaching of darwinian evolution or creationism or "the controversy" is nothing more than a waste of time that could be better spent on real science.


Religious creationism must be eliminated from school curriculums and darwinian evolution must be taught not as fact, but in it's historical context.

It is what?

What is the difference between 'religious creationism' and 'magic man done it creationism'?

Date: 2008/08/23 16:16:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (charlie wagner @ Aug. 23 2008,13:54)
Usually, people asserting "Darwin was wrong!" can't be bothered to substantiate just how. I've challenged some of those folks in the past, and either they decide that some other things are more pressing at the moment, argue that everybody knows that their claim is right, or rattle off a batch of ignorant tosh.

Darwin was wrong about the power of natural selection.

He failed to provide a shred of empirical evidence, either observational or experimental, that establishes a plausible nexus, actual or hypothetical, between the trivial effects of random mutation and natural selection and the emergence of the highly organized structures, processes and systems found in living organisms.

He did address some highly organized structures, such as the eye, but he knew nothing about the nature of the cell. He can be excused for that failure.

I believe that it is self-evident that the eye did not evolve by the process
of mutation and natural selection. Not only is the rate of so-called
"beneficial" mutations ridiculously low, but the eye is an integrated
structure that fits in with the nerves,
bones and muscles of the body. Even if you can concede the possibility of
the eye itself evolving, you would have to account for the concurrent
evolution of the bones of the head, the eye socket, etc, the muscles that
control the eye, the nerves that carry the images, the blood vessels that
supply the eye,  the biochemical reactions that make vision possible and the
cerebral cortex necessary to process the images. Evolutionary biologists
forget, sometimes, that all of an organism is integrated together, the parts
and processes are not separate. For one to "evolve", all must evolve and in
a manner that allows the parts to function together. This would require such
a fantastically large number of intermediate forms with various combinations
of "beneficial" mutations that it puts the whole concept of evolution well
beyond the reach of chance. Darwinian evolution by natural selection is
merely a special case of the general procedure of problem solving by trial
and error. This method would never be successful in achieving the level of
organization that we see. It is too inefficient. And there would not be
enough room in the universe for all of the rejects.

But the really telling fact is that in the century and a half  following his claim, his successors have done no better. The "leap of faith" that he depended on has become longer and longer as deeper layers of organization are uncovered so that it would now take a miracle to explain these structures, processes and systems with the mechanism he proposed.

Some are born tard, some achieve tardness, and some have tardness thrust upon 'em

Date: 2008/08/24 17:48:41, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday, & may more.

Date: 2008/08/26 18:27:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 26 2008,03:34)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 26 2008,04:18)
Why can't we all just get a long?


Any questions?


ETA: A long what?

Date: 2008/09/02 16:13:38, Link
Author: khan
Has anyone asked the current Mrs. McCain what she thinks of the choice of Mrs. Palin to be traveling with Mr. McCain?

Date: 2008/09/02 16:42:13, Link
Author: khan
Thanks to all.

In case anyone's interested: I'm 58, a little old lady, aging hippie, retired computer geek.

Date: 2008/09/02 19:08:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (lkeithlu @ Sep. 02 2008,19:53)
Love your white squirrel! Hope it was a happy day!

Got drunk and did stupid things.

Date: 2008/09/03 16:34:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (charlie wagner @ Sep. 03 2008,17:13)
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."

its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one;

I find this most interesting and informative, and I agree completely with Darwin.

Darwin doesn't say where these first life forms came from, only that they evolved over time. He was not able to answer two fundamental questions:

1. where did the first forms come from?
2. what is the mechanism of this subsequent evolution?

I offer two answers:

1. the first forms came from outside the earth with all the programming necessary to adapt to ambient conditions on earth.
2. What you call evolution is the dynamic unfolding of these pre-existing algorithms.

In addition:

1. evolution as we know it is probably over and future events will be variations on already existing patterns,
dessimations and extinctions

What the heck is: 'dessimations' ?

Date: 2008/09/03 16:55:05, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 03 2008,17:53)
Quote (khan @ Sep. 03 2008,14:34)
What the heck is: 'dessimations' ?

I assumed it was an avant-garde spelling of "decimations", i.e. mass extinctions.  But then I assumed that sweeping claims were usually accompanied by at least a little bit of evidence, so what do I know?

Are creationists forbidden to have spell-checkers?

Date: 2008/09/08 17:15:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 07 2008,23:47)
where did your white skwirrell come from?  not brevard, NC, huh?

ETA happy belated day.

Squirrel pic is from my patio.

Date: 2008/09/09 18:36:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 09 2008,11:34)
Quote (khan @ Sep. 08 2008,15:15)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 07 2008,23:47)
where did your white skwirrell come from?  not brevard, NC, huh?

ETA happy belated day.

Squirrel pic is from my patio.

Okay, Khan. Your birfday was a week ago. Get your lazy ass back to work.  :angry:

I'm retired.

I don't have to do shit.


Date: 2008/09/10 17:32:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 09 2008,21:18)
I've never seen a white squirrel before.

I've got two of them; haven't seen the second one for a few days, she might be gone.

Date: 2008/09/12 19:11:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2008,20:06)
Hmm. My non-linguist but linguophile friend Mike responds:

Yeah, "like ta" is  the sort of elision most languages seem prone to -- which is very confusing to non-native speakers. It's also happening with phrase like "I'ma smack you up side the head," those initial three letters replacing three entire words, "I'm going to."  French has many such elisions, too, as official parts of the language (English will probably make some of them de facto, umm, official over time.)

Swage I know.

It comes from/is this word:

Not very commonly used anymore (except in the South), but a cool word nonetheless.

comments welcome.

Are you fixin' to do any of the above?

Date: 2008/09/20 21:46:18, Link
Author: khan
I'm back.

Was I missed?

I was without electricity for 6 days.

Date: 2008/09/20 22:48:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 20 2008,23:36)
Quote (khan @ Sep. 20 2008,22:46)
I'm back.

Was I missed?

I was without electricity for 6 days.

I live in the Cleveland area. I've had power but many around here haven't. All I got to say is that is one hell of a fucking hurricane that can come aboard from the Gulf of Mexico and still pack that kind of wallop in northern Ohio.

Crap yes, I'm ~800 miles from the gulf coast.

There were huge trees and branches down on every block; shingles and siding all over the place.

I'm near Dayton Ohio.

Date: 2008/09/21 09:12:33, Link
Author: khan
Some pictures (all taken within 50 feet of my front door):

Go here:

Date: 2008/09/21 16:06:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 21 2008,03:05)
Khan, Doc Bill, and Texas Teach were deeply missed. Glad to have you back.

Such a charmer.

"You use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore."

Date: 2008/09/21 19:47:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 21 2008,19:35)
Quote (khan @ Sep. 21 2008,22:06)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 21 2008,03:05)
Khan, Doc Bill, and Texas Teach were deeply missed. Glad to have you back.

Such a charmer.

"You use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore."

I have it on good evidence (from Arden) that this is not the case.

It's five dollars maximum. And even that's debatable.

Still, Steve *IS* right about one thing: y'all were missed even if you didn't know it.

Damn, I AM turning nice.....has someone spiked my drink with prozac and ecstasy?


After being retired for several years, I have found myself being nice.

Not sure what to make of it.

Date: 2008/09/21 20:46:07, Link
Author: khan
I have no idea of the stats or demographics on this, but aren't the majority of American atheists former believers? I'm not saying there is some conversion effort or what have you on anyone's part here, just that people who are now non-believers were in many cases (not all) once believers. Not that that is even important, but I thought I'd get it out the way.

I was sort of kind of maybe raised in a religious tradition (Episcopal in a small town); don't know if I ever believed it.  

Certainly didn't after age 14 or so.

Date: 2008/09/22 21:53:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2008,22:33)
You might be surprised how many girls are here going under ambiguous pseudonyms.

I be one. :p

Date: 2008/09/23 12:19:21, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 23 2008,09:03)
Quote (Skullboy @ Sep. 22 2008,10:15)
Dodgen definitely suffers from slide rule envy. From what I can gather, he is a bright programmer, but not actually an engineer by training.

This sophomoric attempt to show off what he thinks is mathematical depth reminds me of this post from a while back. In it he launches into an elaborate description of binary search algorithms, a matter which is only tangentially related to the issue under discussion.

But of course, deliberately confusing levels of abstraction when discussing computer simulations is one of the most-used tools in the ID toolbox. If you can sound really technical while doing it, the sycophants will all go "oooh" and "ahhh."


You're being too generous in calling GilDo "bright" and in giving him credit for deliberately mixing levels of abstraction in order to fool the rubes.  He's genuinely confused about levels of abstraction.  See these two threads for evidence:


iology]A Realistic Computational Simulation of Random Mutation Filtered by Natural Selection in Biology[/URL]
Gil Has Never Grasped the Nature of a Simulation Model

That is down right scary.

Date: 2008/09/24 15:41:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 24 2008,15:43)
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 24 2008,07:07)
What is this a picture of?

A periodic table!

A log table?

Date: 2008/09/29 09:43:10, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 29 2008,00:25)
I didn't say that I like her, but you've got to feel some sympathy for a person who gets turned into a national joke by a process they don't really understand.

You can find sympathy in the dictionary: between suicide and syphilis.

Date: 2008/09/29 11:51:16, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 29 2008,11:04)
Quote (khan @ Sep. 29 2008,07:43)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 29 2008,00:25)
I didn't say that I like her, but you've got to feel some sympathy for a person who gets turned into a national joke by a process they don't really understand.

You can find sympathy in the dictionary: between suicide and syphilis.

Funny thing -- my uncle had the same saying, but he said sympathy was between shit and syphilis.

I never could figure out what that saying was supposed to mean as a kid. Somewhere around my 30s I figured it out.

My mother said it, probably wanted to be a bit more delicate.

Date: 2008/09/29 16:39:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 29 2008,17:37)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 29 2008,13:16)
Working Replica of Noah's Ark Opens In Schagen, Netherlands

If it's "working", why is no-one shovelling shit over the side?

"Have you looked in the bottom of that Ark?"
-Bill Cosby
-AKA Noah

Date: 2008/10/01 17:08:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Assassinator @ Oct. 01 2008,18:00)
A while ago Erasmus sad that voting was similair to praying. 5 Minutes ago I came across this:
Where ONE vote has made the difference:
In 1776, English was chosen over German as the language for America by ONE vote.
In 1800, After an Electoral College tie, the House of Representatives voted Thomas Jefferson the 3rd President of the United States by ONE vote.
In 1868, President Andrew Johnson was saved from impeachment by ONE vote.
In 1876, Rutherford B. Hayes became President of the United States over Samuel Tilden by ONE vote.
In 1923, Hitler won the leadership of the German Nazi Party by ONE vote.
In 1948, Lyndon B. Johnson, the 36th President, became a U.S. Senator by ONE vote.
California, Idaho, Oregon, Texas and Washington all became states by ONE vote.


Maybe, maybe not:

Date: 2008/10/02 16:57:49, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Oct. 02 2008,17:53)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 02 2008,12:51)
When I was a young lad I wanted to grow up and be a comedian, I used to tell people that and they laughed at me. Then I became a comedian.

Well they're not laughing now are they?


I'd say that is really On The Spot. No?

Perhaps you should check your prostrate.

Might want to check a dictionary.

Date: 2008/10/03 18:33:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 03 2008,19:29)
Reports suggest that McCain is shifting his advertising to 100% negative ads against Obama. We'll see if the fear-mongering and division tactics of Rove can pull it off. My guess is no.

Seems that way here in Ohio.

McCain lies like a fundie.

Date: 2008/10/06 18:41:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 06 2008,19:03)
Sounds great, blipe.  Just remember this...I no longer care whether you are on topic, off topic or posting crap. The point is that I want you to *stop* posting altogether.  I *refuse* to let any more of your posts go through.  Period.  Your threats were the *last* straw.  This crap has gone on too long.  

Granted, since you're being monitored here, you'll try to stay on topic though I believe you may still find it hard to post in line with my moderation policy.  Irregardless, I'm only placing your comments here to show what an ass you are for posting constantly at my blog when you've been asked to stay off of it.

REPEAT:  None of your comments will be going through to my blog ever again.  Got that?  So, you can either stop commenting, or I'll just keep harping at you to stop your freaky obsession with me.  If that doesn't work, I'll have to look into another form of allowing comments through.  It's unfortunate that one obsessed clown can fuck things up so badly.

Do you mean 'regardless' or 'irrespective'?

Date: 2008/10/07 17:41:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,13:51)
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2008,02:34)
"BOINC"? Not the best choice of name, given it's similarity to "boink".


But surely you must know from "Calvin and Hobbes" that scientific progress goes "boink"?

Or in this case "boinc".

Do your part people! (The docking and protein folding studies are of particular interest, as is the quantum chemistry one. Fascinating stuff).


I've got the climate modeling one running on my desktop.

Date: 2008/10/07 17:47:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Nerull @ Oct. 07 2008,14:09)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 07 2008,12:31)

Yesterday, John McCain delivered an unhinged anti-Obama diatribe in New Mexico, and when he posed a rhetorical question -- "Who is the real Barack Obama?" -- someone shouted, "A terrorist!" McCain paused momentarily, but did not comment on the remark.

Also yesterday, Sarah Palin repeated one of her unusually stupid attacks, rehashing the nonsense that Obama "pals around" with terrorists. One man in the audience, responding to Palin's smear, shouted, "Kill him!" Palin also did not comment on the remark.

At the same Florida event, Republicans shouted abuse at journalists, hurling obscenities. The Washington Post reported, "One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, 'Sit down, boy.'"

And just to top things off, last night, the Republican Party of Pennsylvania announced its belief that Obama is "a terrorist's best friend."

Today's GOP--appealing to the better angels of our nature.

They're creating a monster. Their only remaining option is to bring out the white hoods and burning crosses. The question is, will it get out of control? The mob never tends to give much heed to its authorities once set off.

I have this image of RNC meetings chanting "N-word".

Date: 2008/10/07 18:01:49, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,18:57)
Quote (khan @ Oct. 07 2008,23:41)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,13:51)
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2008,02:34)
"BOINC"? Not the best choice of name, given it's similarity to "boink".


But surely you must know from "Calvin and Hobbes" that scientific progress goes "boink"?

Or in this case "boinc".

Do your part people! (The docking and protein folding studies are of particular interest, as is the quantum chemistry one. Fascinating stuff).


I've got the climate modeling one running on my desktop.

I love you in a slightly moist and inappropriate manner.

Does that make me a bad person?


I love you in a chaste and distant manner.

Date: 2008/10/07 18:19:29, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,19:05)
Quote (khan @ Oct. 08 2008,00:01)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,18:57)
Quote (khan @ Oct. 07 2008,23:41)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2008,13:51)
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 27 2008,02:34)
"BOINC"? Not the best choice of name, given it's similarity to "boink".


But surely you must know from "Calvin and Hobbes" that scientific progress goes "boink"?

Or in this case "boinc".

Do your part people! (The docking and protein folding studies are of particular interest, as is the quantum chemistry one. Fascinating stuff).


I've got the climate modeling one running on my desktop.

I love you in a slightly moist and inappropriate manner.

Does that make me a bad person?


I love you in a chaste and distant manner.

You're no fun! There I was trying to bridge the enormous damp gulf between our nations, and you shoot me down in a manner entirely opposite to that of Arden's mother.


As long as you're ~1000 miles away, it's all an intellectual enterprise.

Date: 2008/10/08 14:46:41, Link
Author: khan
Just want to mention that McSame attack ads here in Ohio are quote-mining.

Date: 2008/10/08 18:50:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2008,19:38)
FWIW, I think it's bad that the GOP is in such sorry shape. I don't want the choice to be between 'tolerable' and 'sucks out loud'. What kind of choice is that? I want intelligent conservatives (George Will, Steve Bainbridge, Rod Dreher, Reihan, Jon Rauch, etc) to take back the party they began to lose around 1964. I want to have to choose between two intelligent, reality based groups of people. I don't want to have to automatically pick the Dems. But as long as the Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Karl Rove, "Obama is a terrorist/traitor/Muslim/Elitist/etc" "Palin is qualified", global warming denying, evolution denying, Grover Norquist Complete Total F*&%ing Moron crowd runs the GOP, I have no choice. I want a choice. But I suppose it's inevitable that at any given time, at least one party will be playing to the anti-intellectual strain of the American psyche.

In some ways, I still consider myself a 'conservative'; but my definition of that word has been dragged out back and stomped flat.

I could debate with and consider intelligent conservatives even if I didn't agree with them; but you're right about the current 'leaders'.

Date: 2008/10/08 20:47:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2008,20:44)
I used to consider myself a conservative, back when I equated conservativism with Buckley, Will, Goldwater, Rauch, GHWB, Brent Scowcroft, etc. I mean I didn't wholly agree with them, but they were smart people with some smart ideas. This was around the late 80's, early 90's. I'm not going to write a big biographical piece about my political evolution, but let's just say my distance from conservatism grew as that strain of conservatism waned and the Hannity/Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Tom Delay wing waxed.

(Just to be clear, that party didn't transform in the 80's/90's, my perception of the party transformed in that period. The transformation of the GOP started around 1964, as Nixon was touring the southern bigots and know-nothings, and telling aides, 'this is the future of the Republican party'.)

As someone of the female grouping, the 'conservatives' lost me when they decided that my body was subject to their control.  

Creepy Christian Crotch Police

Date: 2008/10/08 21:05:45, Link
Author: khan
"We're into personal responsibility."

"We're into getting the government off of people's backs."

"We're into forcing you to give birth to the child of your rapist."

"And said forced birth is only an inconvenience."

Any further thoughts are unprintable.

Date: 2008/10/08 21:28:20, Link
Author: khan
Just to say that as a female person, I apologize up front for the FTKs of this world.

Date: 2008/10/08 21:35:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 08 2008,21:58)
I was hanging in there when I thought their anti-abortion stuff was based on simply thinking the baby was a unique individual. Even though liberals were saying cons just want to control females I wasn't buying it just from the abortion thing. Then I heard about conservative efforts to ban birth control, and I had one of these moments

Welcome to the reality of the female contingent.

Date: 2008/10/08 21:41:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,22:37)
BTW, this isn’t the first time that your stalking tendencies has raised it's ugly head.  You were determined to get to Dave at his own home.  

By the way, I’m not buying the excuse about email being flooded with spam if someone finds out your name. My name and email address is the most loosely held secret around here and except for one moron/stalker named Blipey (Eric Pratt) who decided discretion was the better part of valor when I threatened to sic my dogs on him if he showed his face at my door, I’ve never had any problems because of it.

When I report your behavior (to several authorities), I will certainly mention the incident of your obsession with Dave, as well as your insistance that he meet with you personally.

Honest to God, you give me the creeps, and I want you to leave me the fuck alone.  I SWEAR TO GOD, I AM NOT KIDDING AROUND BLIPEY.

FTK, you really need to work on your grammar.

You also need to work on your paranoia.

Date: 2008/10/09 18:34:59, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 09 2008,18:46)
I think Huckabee would be a much better president than Palin. He:

*was governor for 11 years, not six months or whatever Palin was.
*His spouse didn't belong to a radical separatist group for years
*Has written several books
*Isn't under an ongoing ethics investigation
*Isn't trying to cover up the results of an ethics investigation
*Is capable of giving a press conference
*Was named one of Time's "Five Best Governors"
*Never (to my knowledge) called Obama a terrorist sympathizer

I saw Huckabee (The Daily Show?) and he actually made some sense.  He was firmly 'pro-life', but said that if you're going to require women to bear children you have an obligation to provide financial/social/medical assistance.

Date: 2008/10/11 14:16:39, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dhogaza @ Oct. 11 2008,14:28)
And in other news - I got to give McCain at least a

little credit.

Not really.  His denunciation of the extreme rhetoric didn't come until *after* some prominent Republican ex-McCain supporters went public with their disgust at his campaign's pandering to the worst of the base.  One went so far as to suggest that McCain was, essentially, endangering Obama's personal safety.

In Ohio, the McCain campaign is running ads saying Obama associated with "Terrorist Ayers" "then lied about it".

That's not 'exactly' calling Obama a terrorist, but it's damn close.

Date: 2008/10/11 18:44:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 11 2008,19:08)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Oct. 11 2008,23:34)
Hiding the swear word is WORSE than actually swearing. Not only are you swearing (which some, not I, consider to be an issue), a linguistic choice you apparently think could be deemed offensive, but you are trying to disguise the fact (poorly) which, even if the word doesn't offend, is guaranteed to offend by patronising the reader.
Swearing is supposed to be offensive. Also it enables one to one to be almost incoherently speechless with rage and still say something. Which is why I do not understand why "fuck" et alis need to appear in print at all, except as dialogue.

You and I are not in complete disagreement. The necessity of the use of swearwords in written communication is debatable I admit. These fora are written, informal conversations as often as not, and hence conversational language and phraseology is hardly an extreme divergence from appropriate well written prose.

However, if one is going to "write as one talks" and include swear words, then fucking well include them. Bowdlerisation fools no one. My point was use them properly or don't use them at all. These halfway house censored versions hide none of the swearing/offence element and thus fail at the one task they could possibly be construed to do.

Where we depart is that swearing is supposed (i.e. intended) to be offensive. Emphasis, parody etc are other valid uses of swearing, and with more recent usages their offensiveness is diminished. Take for example the French Connection UK adverts/brand which is abbreviated to FCUK. It's eminently clear what such a rearrangement is meant to achieve, the original shock value was a productive marketing tool. However, it has now lost a great deal of that power to shock, becoming almost commonplace, and hence less effective.

I guess I don't think it's as one dimensional as mere offence.


I post on various places around the 'net.

Swearing is allowed on some and not allowed on some others, so I tend not to swear in general so as not to confuse the two.
(Somewhat similar in 'real life').

Date: 2008/10/13 13:33:33, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 13 2008,13:58)
Two competing hypotheses:

1 Barack is running for president without being qualified. The birth announcement in the paper 40 some years ago is bogus, his birth certificate is forged, and these facts are being covered up by election officials, Democratic Party officials, Hawaii hospital employees and state government workers, the national media, and Furthermore, the GOP has shocking evidence of this, and is keeping quiet despite the fact that it looks like they face an epic loss in 3 weeks.

2 Barack's birth certificate and birth announcement are legit.

How stupid do you have to be to select hypothesis #1?

In what units is stupid measured?

Date: 2008/10/17 17:45:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (didymos @ Oct. 17 2008,01:30)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 16 2008,18:49)
Wow, 7 out of 10 responses to Scooter's post on Joe the Plumber are from... Scooter!

By Nov 4, Scooter will be the only one left on UD, and he won't even notice.

Here's a good non-DaveTard one:



10:19 pm


People in my neighborhood avoid McCain signs and bumper stickers because they don’t want their home or car vandalized. That says something about liberal voters doesn’t it?

No, but it does suggest that people in your neighborhood are paranoiac morons.

I would like to add that in my blue-collar neighborhood in SW Ohio, there are Obama and McCain signs (sometimes on adjoining lots) and they have both been there for at least several weeks.

Date: 2008/10/19 16:56:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 19 2008,16:41)
The "negrophilia" thing on WorldNetDaily... having grown up in the South, that's just a bigot's fancified way to say "n*****-lover". It doesn't make it any less hateful.

I thought there was a familiar ring to that phrase.

Date: 2008/10/20 15:36:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 20 2008,16:19)
Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Oct. 20 2008,13:38)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 20 2008,13:58)
Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Oct. 20 2008,08:21)
and the top link goes to this wacky site about neo-darwinism, Gaia and stuff. Maybe I should take them away... I already had to remove a creationist model of the hydrogen atom from there :p

Why would a creationist model a hydrogen atom differently than anybody else?

Because current physics is evil and materialistic. Sound familiar?

Well, of course it is. After all, physics makes heavier use of "random chance" than biological evolution does. :p

Though for some reason, it doesn't seem to collect the same level of attention that "random chance" in biology does.


The phrase "random chance" would seem to suggest that there is a thing called "non-random chance".

How would one differentiate between them?

Date: 2008/10/21 16:38:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 21 2008,12:33)
And for a limited time when you order this bundle we will include free copies of the three of the best selling Intelligent Design documentaries: Unlocking the Mystery of Life, Privileged Planet, and The Case for Creator. Normally this bundle would retail for $125
$ 125? At Amazon you will get the collection for $ 61.96. If you choose to get the NEW Rewards Visa® Card you will even get the "SUPER BUNDLE" for only $31.96.

Is there any conceivable reason why I would desire to possess such?

Date: 2008/10/21 17:04:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 20 2008,22:42)
Tard of all kinds fascinates and/or dumbfounds me. I'm back in BFE florida temporarily, and I have some relatives here, you know the kind, the kind who thinks that when you're looking for informed, educated scientific opinion, Ken Ham and Kent Hovind are probably slightly more reliable than, say, a consensus of the last 178 consecutive people who won the Nobel Prize. And they're suspicious of any fancy book larnin. And I'm talking to this one guy last thursday who stopped by to talk to me about his job search. He hasn't worked in a while. He has very few skills. Well he got lucky and found a job that pays $15/hr, and interviewed last week. Interviewer said basically he could have the job because his references spoke so highly of him. He thought it was a job on the edge of the town we both live near, which is 7 miles away. Turns out the job is mostly here, but occasionally at a satellite office 25 miles away. Now this guy isn't qualified to do much of anything. And this is BFE Florida. I mean, middle of nowhere. There are more trailers in this town than houses. Not making fun of trailers, I grew up in one, I'm saying this area is charitably described as 'low income'. You want an el Camino? I can get you five. Right now. I could probably get them to throw in the Astroturf for the bed for free. Anyway. So the guy scores a job for double minimum wage but half the time he'd have to drive 25 miles to go to work instead of 7, twice a week. And he flat out turns it down. Tells the interviewer no way, no how. The interviewer tells him the days he goes to the other town he'll get an extra $10. No, he says, no way, no how. And he tells me this, and I almost spit out my cigarette. And over the next 15 minutes I tried, with at least 3 different arguments, to convince him to take the job rather than work at, say, Subway for $7/hr. And I can't make this guy understand, for the life of me. There's nothing I can do. It's hopeless. He refuses to even think about the question. He's got this model in his head, "7 miles = nothing. 25 miles = possible catastrophe of biblical proportions" and there's nothing i can do to change it. I tried everything.

me: "You don't mind driving 7 miles to town x right"
him: "sure. town x is nothing."
me: "town y is just like 3 trips to town x"
him: "no its not. You don't know what could happen."
me: "for $15/hr and an extra $10 on top, you'll make way more than in town x."
him. "No you won't. Because you don't know what will happen. The car could throw a rod. That would cost like $1000 dollars."
me: "You could throw a rod going to town x"
him: "I've driven to town x a thousand times never threw a rod."
me: "You could drive to town y and never throw a rod."
him: "You can't promise that. Ain't nobody can promise that."
me: "There are ways to estimate the cost. The state pays like 50 cents a mile. That's whether you go to town x or town y. It's an average cost of expenses."
him: "Average don't mean anything. You could get a flat and no 'average' tells you you're going to get a flat. And you'd be S.O.L."
me: "no, of course, no average tells you anything particular, but it tells you about how much it'll cost. If they never meant anything insurance companies could never operate."
him: "I ain't no insurance company and you ain't neither."
me: "that's not the point. The point is you can estimate the cost and by any reasonable estimate you're better off at $15/hr in town y."
him: "Can your 'estimate' tell me if me car is going to break down tomorrow?"
me: "of course not." (rubs forehead)
him: "that proves my point. You don't know and I don't either."
me: "oh goddammit."
him: "you can't tell me driving to town y for $10 I'd make money."
me: "I never said you'd make money if your job was just driving to town y and back for $10."
him: "yes you did."
me: "where's my vodka?"
him: "can't make no money if you don't know how much it'll cost you."
me: "but you do have an idea how much it'll cost you."
him: "Nope. No idea."
me: "yes, idea. Because if I offered you a million dollars to drive to town y you'd take it. Because you know, on some level, that it wouldn't cost you a million dollars to drive to town y, because it's twenty five F&$#ing miles away. Because you know some vague, approximate, rough idea what it would cost, and you just refuse to deal with that any more specifically. You'd rather put it out of your head and not consider it."
him: "oh yeah, well, that's stupid because nobody would pay you a million dollars to drive to town y."
me: "ugggggghhhhhhhh...."

And of course it doesn't end there. Because I'm obsessed with tard. He leaves and I have like 4 shots and I can't stop thinking about it. I'm not even measuring at this point, it's just 4 fingers of vodka and the rest is Mountain Dew. What would have worked? How can I make him understand? And my girlfriend shows up like 3 hrs later and gets pissed off that I can't stop thinking about it. She's a wonderful girl and we met in Gifted maybe 16 years ago and obviously she gets it, but she's not obsessed with tard. So she can totally forget about tardacular things and I've only gotten maybe 50% better since then. About an hour later the guy's wife shows up and starts complaining to me that I called her husband an idiot. Which I never did. He just got the impression that I thought he was an idiot because I was so desperate to figure out a basic argument which would work. Which, let's face it, is true, but I never said as much. And I try to explain to her how the numbers work out but now she's refusing to get it because even though she's smarter and can easily get it, that would require contradicting him, and he's the man of the household, so now she's pretending to be as dumb as he is for social reasons. And now I drink several more shots of vodka and smoking Camels like they're about to be banned, and she leaves, and now my girlfriend's pissed because Camels are stinky and the conversation reduces to

me: "I don't get it." (puff puff puff)
her: "I know."
me: "I don't f*$%ing get it." (puff puff puff)
her: "I know."
me: "I mean." (puff puff puff)
her: "I. Know."
me: (puff puff puff)

Coda: that was thursday or friday and she was annoyed at me but then we went on to have a great Saturday in Gainesville watching a Black Box production of Cloud 9, which was mediocre, because it was supposed to be 'subversive' about gender roles, and it was, but 'subversive' in a way about as subtle and clever as being hit in the head with a 2x4, and we walked around the lake Sunday, which was nice, and had hungover breakfasts at Bob Evans, except for the gooey part of the whites which is a constant problem if you go out and get sunny-side-up eggs, and lots of extracurricular activities, and it was in the end a great weekend, but still a lesson to be learned. If you have a tard problem, get help. It's a terrible addiction, and it will cause problems in relationships. Don't think you can figure out the tard. You can't. Tard is eternal. There is nothing you can do about it. All you can do, is make your peace with it. Don't make the mistakes I made. Find a way to accept it and take pity on us poor junkies, freebasing tard at UD and promising to quit tomorrow.

Which I will.

Just one more hit....

I too am fascinated with tard; even the borderline type.

It's a large part of why am divorced and live alone.

When someone commits tard, I am curious and ask about the thought process that led to that particular incident of tard.

Looking back, I guess I'm lucky I was only yelled at.

Date: 2008/10/21 18:30:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,19:28)
10 October 2008
The Messiah is Absolutely Speaking

The only people I've heard refer to Obama as some kind of religious object of worship are Davescot, Louis Farrakhan, and Dave Heddle.

Who better to know?

Date: 2008/10/24 17:17:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (George @ Oct. 24 2008,08:35)
I posted off my absentee ballot yesterday.  You might like to know that I voted for truth, freedom and the American way.

YES on the county liquor referendum.

I voted early today; the workers were all knowledgeable and patient.

Date: 2008/10/24 17:19:33, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 24 2008,09:04)
Remember back to when the Reagan administration had to explain the information coming out that they were having some dealings with Iran and they said it was because of their deep concern for the few incidental American citizens Iran had in custody? I recall thinking that was a puzzler, since Reagan seemed to have no regard for the welfare of individual Americans anywhere else, and certainly not so much regard as to go back on some principle as clearly stated as "no negotiations with terrorists".

Then the news broke that the stuff going on with Iran enabled the Reagan administration to funnel off-the-books money to the Contras in Nicaragua. Being able to finance loads of mercenaries killing people at will in South America sounded so much more like Reagan than the weak-willed act that had been their previous cover story that I had an "Aha!" moment right then.

But since I have higher regard for what "truth, freedom, and the American way" should mean, I've never made any such association with the admitted-lying, anti-civil-liberties, trickle-down-elitism of the Reagan administration and its figurehead.

Misogynistic lying bastards.

Date: 2008/10/24 17:21:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dheddle @ Oct. 24 2008,13:24)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 24 2008,10:26)
Quote (dheddle @ Oct. 24 2008,08:17)
Gosh Wes, lighten up! Every indication is the civil liberties will do just fine under Obama. (*vurp*)

And have some sympathy. I am  a man who has just looked into the abyss, and the abyss looked back, laughing.

My World, Turned Upside Down

Edit: typo

Your world may get even more topsy-turvy, David.  According to this article in the WaPo (yeah, I know, biased liberal media source), NASCAR sponsorship (80% of the income for most NASCAR teams) may dry up because of the bad economy. You might be reduced to watching go-cart races at your local county fair...

I'm counting on Obama to fix that. One part of his $900B spending increase is a little known plan to Nationalize NASCAR and place in under the control of a new Ministry of Sports, Well Being, Clean Nappies, and Haberdasheries. No more sponsorship woes. The People have a right to NASCAR.

Of course, speeds will be limited to 55 mph for the good of the people. And only one race a year. And everyone is a winner. And all the fuel must be derived from corn and raw sewage. And there will be a 200% tax "revenue enhancer" on all corn dogs. And all coffee must be sold at a temperature between the federally approved guidelines of 96.71 and 98.34 degrees Celsius. And for each regular pit stall, there must be a pit stall with one of those handicapped logos. And if any of the reporters say something negative about a driver, like "he's just not going into the turn hard enough" the driver must, under the Fairness Doctrine, be given equal air time to rebut the charges. And the teams' radio communications will be subject to FISA wiretaps. And...

You're beginning to blither.

Date: 2008/10/24 17:32:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 24 2008,06:47)
Quote (Patrick Caldon @ Oct. 23 2008,21:42)


And there are now 260 reviews. More of the reviews I am seeing are not just Darwin cultists venting auto-hate. They include non-cultists engaging with the subject.

Can we have black robes and ghouly altars and stuff?  And sacrificial virgins maybe?

1) We can think of much better things to do with virgins than sacrifice them.

2) auto-hate is like air brakes. You Have to vent them every few minutes. Duh. Sheesh!

Why would anyone want a virgin?  It takes to much time to instruct one.

Date: 2008/10/24 17:44:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 23 2008,22:04)
Somebody here made a crack about gifted and such and I certainly wouldn't brag that I was in gifted when i was a kid. So I called home tonight and demanded that they tell me what my IQ was when I was tested in 2nd grade. They wouldn't tell me back then. An 8 year old doesn't need to know, they said, and maybe they were right. Probably they were right. Apparently, back then, you had to have an IQ above 125 to get into gifted and mine was 130. Something changed by the time I got into Mensa with an IQ of 145 or so. IQs aren't static, I think, as there were a few points where I got distinctly smarter by learning basic errors to avoid. The older I get the less I believe in a general IQ, as I can point to numerous really really smart people who act really really stupid on some other matter. And 3 months ago seeing the Errol Morris tape on Chris Langdon certainly goes in that direction. And there are other examples like Kurt Godel. I think there's some kind of correlation between IQ and really abstract problem solving, but it's not nearly the same as making good decisions w/r/t life. That's one reason I dropped out of Mensa a few years after I joined. There's something about basic life competency that IQ doesn't capture.

Based on various written tests, my IQ is somewhere just below 4 sigma (at least up to the GREs at age 25); but spatially and emotionally I'm way down there.

I've come to think it's all a huge casserole of genetic and fetal and upbringing and social and education (luck of the draw for the most part).

Date: 2008/10/24 20:15:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 24 2008,21:08)
Five thirty eight now estimates McCain's chances to win at less than 4%, and calculates about a 50-50 chance of an Obama landslide of 375 or more. The five most likely scenarios are now all between 375 and 380 electoral votes for B.O.

btw how do you even spend $150,000 on clothes? Ten years ago I had a gf who would go to Gainesville and buy like $300 Ferragamos, but $150,000 would be 500 pairs of them! WTF

My house and and car and IRAs are not worth $150,000.

Date: 2008/10/25 15:07:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 25 2008,16:01)
Somebody explain what "empirical research" means to Daniel.

Should I practice first by explaining it to the cat?

Date: 2008/10/25 18:24:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 25 2008,19:17)
jerry doesn't get out much.  
Behe's Edge of Evolution says that certain things are beyond the ability of natural processes to produce. A finding from the comparison of genomes will in the near future either continue to support or counter Behe's claims.
So far no one has countered Behe's claims or else we would have never hear the end of it...

I was going to comment on that.

Life in the bubble must be wonderful.

Date: 2008/10/26 18:36:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2008,19:26)
(via yglesias)

“Neville Chamberlain also had a fine temperament and a good intellect.” --Bill Kristol, smearing Obama

If I had a billion dollars, well, I wouldn't buy the NYT because newspapers are going down the tubes. But if I had a billion dollars and had already bought everything else I could possibly want, I would buy the NYT just to fire first Kristol, then the moron who hired him, then, presuming one exists, the moron who hired that moron.

A moron daisy chain indeed.

Date: 2008/10/26 18:44:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 26 2008,19:41)
"See, under a big government, more tax agenda, what you thought was yours would really start belonging to somebody else, to everybody else," Palin said. "If you thought your income, your property, your inventory, your investments were, were yours, they would really collectively belong to everybody."

Sarah Palin, yesterday. Can we pleeeeeeaaaasssseeee get done with the next 9 days already?

I voted Friday.

Date: 2008/10/27 18:14:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 27 2008,19:07)
* Scary beyond words: "Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday. In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.... Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community."

As long as they aren't Muslim terrorists.

Date: 2008/10/27 20:09:21, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Crabby Appleton @ Oct. 27 2008,20:51)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 27 2008,19:21)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 24 2008,19:52)
I was making curry chicken tonight and it was going fine until i absolutely ruined it in the end. First I sauteed some diced chicken breast, onion, and garlic. Then I added about 2 tsp curry powder, a little cumin, salt, cayenne powder, and pepper. and 2 cups water, and was reducing that. Then I decide it's too watery

Just cook it half an hour with the lid off. Fixes that right up.

Also, in my experience, with curries dark meat like chicken thighs works better, tho I guess that's pretty subjective.

I agree with the bold part, but remove the meat while you're doing it so it isn't overcooked.

I'm a big fan of dark meat too which is why I cook a lot of duck.

The big treat with cooking duck is the rendered fat.

Cottage Fried Potatoes cooked in <b>duck fat</b> ROCKS! Scrambled eggs with tomato, mild pepper, garlic, chives and diced smoked pork chops, ooh I could go on.

Goose fat is also great, especially for potatoes.

Date: 2008/10/28 18:15:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 28 2008,19:09)
<mutters>god dammit there is a soul in here somewhere...

bowling ball, nope.  golf clubs, nope.  lego collection, nope.  neuron hardware, nope.  i'll keep looking.

"There's got to be a pony here."

Date: 2008/10/28 19:20:03, Link
Author: khan
Happy birthday Texas Teach!


I have clothes that old.

Date: 2008/10/29 17:38:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (drew91 @ Oct. 29 2008,09:57)
Happy 34th.  I'll be there myself in a little over a month.

We're only as old as we feel...or something like that. :)

You're only as old as the one you feel.

Date: 2008/10/29 17:58:55, Link
Author: khan
Now these are Berg's proposed laws that I cherry picked from the "conclusion" chapter of his book.  They were put forth in 1922 and may need updating.

No shit?

Date: 2008/10/29 18:11:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 29 2008,13:35)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 29 2008,09:21)
can you even get okra over there in the old country?

Okra (bhindi) is a big deal in Indian cooking. There's a little Pakistani place here that does a spicy okra dish that will rock your world.

Wikipedia says it's originally from Ethiopia.

Is okra really food, or is it all some sort of joke?

Date: 2008/10/30 18:15:44, Link
Author: khan
Last month (never shop before breakfast) I bought a jar of ghee.

What shall I do with it?

Date: 2008/10/30 18:42:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 30 2008,19:20)
Quote (khan @ Oct. 31 2008,00:15)
Last month (never shop before breakfast) I bought a jar of ghee.

What shall I do with it?

Ghee is merely clarified butter so I shall provide you with 3 options:

1) Fry some onions in it and use them to make a delicious curry or accompaniment to a steak etc.

2) Use it to make a very lovely pudding, I suggest a good old fashion bread and butter pudding with a slight twist: use brioche for the bread, chocolate chips and soak the brioche in Grand Marnier.

3) Umm, well it is quite slippery, so you could use it for "marital" purposes*.


*Put it on the door knob so that the kids can't get into the room. Why, what did you think I meant?

All that aside, how is ghee for deep frying?

Date: 2008/11/02 12:17:46, Link
Author: khan
So Welsey, what do use to clean the blade?

Date: 2008/11/02 18:39:51, Link
Author: khan
Last Friday I acquired a custom cut turkey from a local farmer.

I like turkey, but don't want to deal with ~16 # all at once.

A ~17# turkey was cut into quarters.

Roasted a quarter yesterday.

Date: 2008/11/03 14:37:03, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 03 2008,15:29)
and the soul is the "breath of God" recieved at conception

Whenever somebody makes that claim I have this temptation to ask what they think about a pair of identical twins, since the claim implies that a pair of twins would share one soul.


And not to mention chimeras.

Date: 2008/11/04 11:48:37, Link
Author: khan
I voted on 24 October (Ohio).  I don't think I'll turn on the TV or radio today.

Date: 2008/11/04 21:09:32, Link
Author: khan
Iowa for Obama.

Date: 2008/11/04 22:29:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 04 2008,23:23)
Lewdies and gropenmens, I give you the 44th president of the United States: Barack Obama.

p.s., Texas Teach: You should see the other photoshops I could've posted, including the "Palin: No More Bush" one... Hawt! Okay, truthfully, I can't find her very attractive when she's not too bright. Smart = sexah , for me. Her jeans-encased bootay was sloshing around when they showed her voting, though.

edit: I'm watching McCain's concession speech, and I have to admire his decency in that. Good show, there.

Yes I am rather impressed.

Date: 2008/11/05 15:37:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Nov. 05 2008,16:23)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 05 2008,15:09)
The graciousness of McCain's concession actually kind of startled me, too. Almost made me feel sorry for the guy.* I think he wanted to close out his career on a more upbeat note than being the asshole who spent 3 months calling Obama a socialist terrorist. His audience wasn't all on board, tho. They booed very loudly the first couple times he mentioned Obama's name.

I don't think Caribou Barbie has made any kind of statement, tho. Alaska just re-elected senator Stevens even though he's now a convicted felon facing possible jail time. So of course they're talking about Palin running for his seat after the Senate kicks him out next month.


A few weeks ago I got the impression that McCain made the mistake of following his parties election strategy rather than just doing his own thing.

I reckon that McCain is a decent guy and should have followed his instincts rather than pander to the people that his advisers considered their core.

Too late now. Anyway I like Obama and just hope he can realise his potential. Obama has united an unlikely group of people. Good luck to him.

We do live in interesting times. A curse according to some, but a blessing according to me.

In my lifetime I have seen America move from segregation to electing a mixed race president. Fascinating. Good luck!

It's a slippery slope: give them the right to vote, ~50 years later one of them gets to be president.

I worked with the Obama campaign, and the competence exhibited on all levels gives me hope for his administration.

Date: 2008/11/06 18:54:22, Link
Author: khan
He appears to be stuck in some sort of 'do loop'.

Date: 2008/11/09 13:05:33, Link
Author: khan
And nao invites us?

Happy Birthday!

Date: 2008/11/09 13:28:50, Link
Author: khan
This movie, for those of you that don't know, is a brilliant, well-done look at intelligent design and it's rejection by academia.  It is not a movie on creation, per say,


it is a movie on the science behind intelligent design.

World's shortest movies?

Date: 2008/11/09 16:18:39, Link
Author: khan
short fruit flies with purple flowers and red eyed pea plants

I think there's a poem in there somewhere.

Date: 2008/11/09 18:52:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 09 2008,19:47)
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 09 2008,17:29)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 09 2008,22:25)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 09 2008,17:18)
short fruit flies with purple flowers and red eyed pea plants

I think there's a poem in there somewhere.

It would of course involve sex....

{Eyebrows raise}

...(linked genes).

CURSES! Foiled again.


(x + 3) (x + 7) = x2 + 7x + 3x + 21 = x2 + 10x + 21

Reminds me of ninth grade, when I discovered (and fell in love with) algebra.

23 X 17 = 20x20 - 3x3 = 400 - 9 = 391

Date: 2008/11/10 15:12:19, Link
Author: khan
WTF is an Affirmative Action President?

Date: 2008/11/10 18:38:44, Link
Author: khan
While visiting his brother in Florida in 1992, he rescued a small child from the jaws of an alligator.

Katherine Harris?

Date: 2008/11/10 18:55:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 10 2008,19:46)
Would you want your child to marry an atheist?
William Dembski

Since atheism and its connection to Darwinism is a perennial topic at UD, I refer readers to a wide-ranging article on atheism at Conservapedia ( Particularly striking is the social (un)acceptability of atheism when it comes to marrying off one’s children:

Conservapedia reports a ranking of objects of bigotry by degree of revulsion.

WAD links approvingly, because atheists are at the top of this noble listing.

(You always were a petulant prick, WAD.)

Are these folks into arranged marriages?

Date: 2008/11/11 19:00:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 11 2008,19:36)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Nov. 09 2008,14:07)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 09 2008,15:22)
I'm fairly convinced that most atheists would argue that there is "no evidence" for God even if he was standing right in front of them.

I'm not "arguing" for or against anything. I'm merely pointing out that you have not provided any such objective evidence.

Unless I missed it somewhere. Where was it? And when did God stand right in front of you? Did you filch some of that moonshine that you accuse Erasmus of abusing?

There are more mind-boggling engineering achievements and technological marvels inside one human being than in all of man's inventions combined!  Yet you'll continue to hold that there's "no evidence" for God.

Open your eyes man!

So god-boy:

I have a standing offer to worship whatever god-thingy will heal me.

All he/she/it/one of them has to do is:
appear to me (a dream/vision will suffice)
name itself
name my condition to be cured
state what actions will be required in return for this cure (I reserve the right of refusal if said conditions are beyond my ethics)

It's been 10 years, and none have shown up.

Date: 2008/11/12 15:38:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 12 2008,15:09)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 11 2008,17:00)

So god-boy:

I have a standing offer to worship whatever god-thingy will heal me.

All he/she/it/one of them has to do is:
appear to me (a dream/vision will suffice)
name itself
name my condition to be cured
state what actions will be required in return for this cure (I reserve the right of refusal if said conditions are beyond my ethics)

It's been 10 years, and none have shown up.

Do you really want to know if there is a God or not?  Because if you do, there's a way.  

It's pretty simple actually... You just have to say this every day:  
"God, if you're real, then reveal yourself to me so I can believe in you."  
(The tricky part of course, is that you have to actually mean it when you say those words.)

If you really want to know about God, he'll reveal himself to you - I guarantee it.  It's 100% dependent upon your openness to it though.

So do you really want to know or not?

Isn't that what I posted: "Demonstrate your existence and we can negotiate."?

Date: 2008/11/12 16:04:11, Link
Author: khan

A sad that we forgot.

Date: 2008/11/12 16:24:42, Link
Author: khan
You challenged God to meet your specific criteria.  I'm not sure how you did this, you don't really say.  Do you get up every morning and say a prayer?  Is this more of a "standing invitation" you've kept in the back of your mind?  How did you actually go about implementing this "standing offer"?  

I wake up every morning and say: "Crap, I wish this would go away.

He (obviously has a penis) knows all and sees all; surely he (she/it/they?) can discern my thoughts and desires.

So god-thingy wants to save me, and knows what it would take to save me, but is prevented by something (meta-god) from doing what is required?

Date: 2008/11/12 19:13:38, Link
Author: khan
First, God is not a man - he is not bound to our physical limitations.  He's also all powerful.

How big is god's penis?

Date: 2008/11/14 17:33:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (bystander @ Nov. 14 2008,17:56)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 14 2008,17:24)
I blogged about the out-to-lunch-or-further-ness of Georgia Rep. Paul Broun and his speculation about Barack Obama playing 'what would you do if you were Hitler'.

Rep. Broun didn't show up in the comments, but a very conservative fellow did pop up to defend the Bush administration and castigate Obama, who he consistently refers to as "the socialist bastard".

It does go some way toward showing that politics and opposing religious antievolution are not completely correlated, since I happen to know this fellow, and he has been active in opposing creationist efforts. But we are having quite the back-and-forth over the current administration and the next one. As I note in my latest comment:


It wouldn’t hurt to be alert to abuses in any new administration, but I confess that I really don’t understand the exceptional animus displayed by Broun and now you concerning Obama.

The depth of emotion that some people have in reviling Obama does catch me by surprise.

I've had a look at the right wing sites and you have post after post of Obama is a muslim, antichrist etc. I think that this is the ultimate outcome of the republican methods and it is quite worrying.

They are obviously wrong, I think that even if it isn't real, Obama won on the messages of inclusiveness and being reality based. White people over 30 voted for McCain. White people under 30 voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

Outside of these bastions of the right, the web is overwhelming liberal and reality based. I have been using Digg and found out that based on Diggs, that left wing to right wing is around 100 to 1. Internet penetration isn't universal yet but what is it going to be like in 8 years time?

I'm white and (way) over 30 and I not only voted for Obama, I worked for his campaign; but then, I'm female and atheist.

Date: 2008/11/16 11:40:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2008,11:26)
On a somewhat more interesting note, today marks 21 years since the day I first married my wife.

Thought I'd share.

That's wonderful.
Wonderful that it's been 21 years.
Wonderful that you remembered.

Date: 2008/11/16 17:57:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 16 2008,18:30)
I'm always amazed by the arrogance of Dan Joe the TV repair guy Plumber, who despite knowing squat about biology or science in general, despite never having made the effort to learn even the rudimentary basics, somehow has the idea in his head that he is going to overturn all of science using an ancient anthology of superstitions.

Which part of "Yeah, we're all aware of what your book says, and it's incorrect," is difficult to follow? Does Dan Joe just not get that his great new insight is neither great nor new? What insight does Dan Joe think he's got that "no one's ever thought of before!!!!"?

Does Dan Joe the TV repair guy Plumber regularly accost his neurosurgeon the same way? "Hai Dok, u r doin' it rong!!!" His car mechanic? His Bob Jones 'University' indoctrinated educated preacher?

I wonder sometimes what Dan Bob would say if his lawyer began instructing him in TV repair the ins and outs of toilet repair?

Usually though, I just laugh and get back to doing homework.

A bit of crank convergence: I (despite having little to no education in the subject at hand) can easily dismiss (20 100 200...) years of science (biology astronomy physics...) with only a few arguments from (ignorance authority ...).

Date: 2008/11/17 12:06:13, Link
Author: khan
That's all fine in theory Bill.
But what if God (or some other being) actually did create life?
Are you saying it would be beyond the reaches of empirical science to A) discover this, and B) figure out how and even perhaps why he did it?
If science is about investigation, why would it have to stop when faced with a scenario that challenges the limitations of the material world?

How big is god's penis?

Date: 2008/11/17 12:16:03, Link
Author: khan
Quote (olegt @ Nov. 16 2008,23:10)
The tard flow is getting turbulent.  tribune7 replies to NotedScholars:
“Beyond the natural” is a metaphor, and not a very useful one.

It’s not a metaphor. It is a literal statement. Natural has a meaning. Supernatural has a meaning. Natural explanations fail to describe the universe. Supernatural ones do not. The only reason to reject a supernatural explanation is emotion.

On one side we have deep space and deep time; on the other side we have deep tard.

Date: 2008/11/17 13:33:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 17 2008,14:31)
Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 17 2008,19:27)
Quote (JLT @ Nov. 17 2008,10:48)
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 17 2008,18:26)
I am impressed by D'tard falling on his own (cheesy poof encrusted) sword.

What wonders may emerge? I'm voting for his own blog. Please let it be his own blog.


Great minds think alike?





12:19 pm

[sobs uncontrollably]

Noooooooooo! Not Dave….

I always rather enjoyed his global warming and political posts. I also got a kick out of his dissent from Descent so to speak…made for interesting dialogue.

Maybe he’ll start his own blog?


Well, that settles it.  Louis is FTK.

Oh now that, sir, is far too low for words.

Expect my seconds with a choice of weapons.


Two by Fours at dawn?

Date: 2008/11/17 15:22:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 17 2008,16:19)
The post in which DS announced that he had deleted some posts has been deleted.


Double plus ungood.

Date: 2008/11/17 16:16:48, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2008/11/17 16:31:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 17 2008,17:03)
The ultimate ID argument from that epitome of logical thinking, StephenB.  We can close up shop because ID has won.





2:35 pm

[A] walked into a room with [B] and both observed a red ball on a table.

[A] Asks the question: “Look! There is a red ball on the table, how did it get there?

[B] responds, “What do you mean, how did it get there? Obviously, someone put it there.” Case closed.

Now, blow up the ball the size of a basketball, and ask the question again. How did it get there? Nothing has changed, of course, except the size of the ball. The argument is no less compelling. In fact, it is unassailable.

Now blow the ball up to the size of a room, then to the size of the earth, then to the size of the Sun. Has anything changed other than the size of the ball? No.

Now blow the ball up to the size of the universe, and spackle it with stars, clusters, and galaxies. Has the argument changed? No. The ball has just gotten larger and more decorative, that’s all. Obviously, someone put it there. Anyone who cannot grasp this is either logically or psychologically challenged.

Added in edit: I kid you not - this is for real.  I'm not sure I would write something this dumb if I were trying to make up dumb stuff to make fun of ID arguments.

"We've got the biggest balls of them all."

edited: cause I type dyslexic

Date: 2008/11/17 16:51:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 17 2008,17:46)
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I am impressed by D'tard falling on his own (cheesy poof encrusted) sword.

What wonders may emerge? I'm voting for his own blog. Please let it be his own blog.


Great minds think alike?





12:19 pm

[sobs uncontrollably]

Noooooooooo! Not Dave….

I always rather enjoyed his global warming and political posts. I also got a kick out of his dissent from Descent so to speak…made for interesting dialogue.

Maybe he’ll start his own blog?


Well, that settles it.  Louis is FTK.

Oh now that, sir, is far too low for words.

Expect my seconds with a choice of weapons.


Two by Fours at dawn?

With nails in. Big, six inch, roofing nails.


I was thinking gods.  You bring yours and I'll bring mine.

I seem to have misplaced mine. Do you have a spare?


I rather like Kali: a murderous bitch.

Date: 2008/11/17 17:42:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (EyeNoU @ Nov. 17 2008,18:29)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 17 2008,12:06)
That's all fine in theory Bill.
But what if God (or some other being) actually did create life?
Are you saying it would be beyond the reaches of empirical science to A) discover this, and B) figure out how and even perhaps why he did it?
If science is about investigation, why would it have to stop when faced with a scenario that challenges the limitations of the material world?

How big is god's penis?

What does God do with "his" penis? Does "he" pee standing up?

God is a 'he'
Ergo 'he' has a penis
Men are created in god's image and therefor have a penis
Why did the "I am" need a penis?
What does an "ineffable being" do with a penis?

Date: 2008/11/17 19:21:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 17 2008,19:41)
This is a chemistry question, so it's mostly directed at Louis, though anybody else feel free to chime in.

I train a lot. And yet, I love tobacco and alcohol. Because these things are in opposition, I can't do them as much as I'd like. Sure I'd like to drink all the time, but that's just not compatible with being in really good shape, so I don't.  I only drink on the weekends (although today I was tempted to go to the nearby package store and pick up a pint of vodka to celebrate the amusing calamity at UD). That part's no big deal.

But tobacco, here's the thing. I like nicotine. I'm not psychologically attached to the process of smoking, I just like the nicotine.

Define it however you want; you are addicted.  Please stop.

Date: 2008/11/18 16:16:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2008,17:11)
Domoman: Think of this scenario: In a given multiverse of infinite universes there would be a universe that is just like ours. However there would also be a universe that’s own existence causes the destruction of our own. Yet this “destructive universe” would also, because of an infinite number of universes, also have a universe that necessarily means the destruction of the “destructive universe.” There would also have to be a universe thats existence necessarily maintains the existence of our universe and the “destructive universe.” But this “upholding universe” would also have a universe that necessarily causes its destruction. So as it turns out, every universe out of the infinite amount of them, must all be necessarily destroyed and upheld at the same time. But this creates contradictions, and therefore it is not possible for there to be an infinite amount of universes if they can effect each other in such a way. At least if the universes have the ability to effect one another, because then, given the infinite amount of universes, they all effect each other.

jasondulle: The infinite is not predictable because it erases all probabilities. An infinite can generate an infinity of whatever it wants. It could generate an infinity of all logical possibilities, or just one.

An actually infinite number of universes could result in any number of paradoxical outcomes. For example, it could result in an infinite number of logically possible worlds, all of which differ from each other. In fact, not only could every logically possible world be instantiated in an infinite multiverse, but each of those logically possible worlds could be instantiated an infinite number of times, so that infinities are being multiplied by infinities, infinitely. Or, it could also result in an infinite number of universes, all identical to our own.

I must confess doing some interesting stuff in the '60s, but I don't recall anyone coming up with this kind of shit.

Date: 2008/11/18 16:28:41, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 18 2008,17:13)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 18 2008,12:18)
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 18 2008,07:01)
Wow, this really is the bathroom wall! (Started smoking in 1943, quit smoking in 1964.)

1943? Had they even invented tobacco by then?

A war was going on outside and tobacco was heavily rationed but in mysterious ways some trickled down to us from the Germans, I still remember reading from the cigarette boxes - this was in the days when flat cigarettes still were in vogue:

Warum ist Juno rund? Aus gutem grund ist Juno rund.

Besides, there were always the option of collecting German cigarette butts in cafe's.

When we could not get our favourite, a pack of Brinchman Stolz and roll our own...

Still kicking... Upgraded from Win2k to XP the other day, maybe Vista soon too. Or maybe Ubuntu.

Miscellaneous memories:

My father was born in March 1927.

He was on his way to Europe in May 1945 when the war in Europe ended.

He was part of the occupation forces.

He got 2? packs of cigarettes in his rations; he didn't smoke.

He got into black market operations. He wasn't supposed to send more than his pay ($30/mo?) back to the states, but found he could bribe various people with cigarettes.

Date: 2008/11/19 15:29:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 19 2008,15:37)
I should have linked to Parker's actual column. She basically says that if the GOP appeals to its base in the future they'll be totally boned.

One party was brimming with energy, youth and diversity; the other felt like an annual Depends sales meeting.

Date: 2008/11/19 20:26:41, Link
Author: khan
But then something happened.  As man developed the technology to examine life at higher and higher resolutions, new evidence began pouring in that suggested that life was not so easily explainable by natural mechanisms.  The structure and information content of DNA, the world of cellular machinery, the dizzying complexity of something so "simple" as cellular division, and many other such discoveries caused the scientific world to grope for adequate natural explanations.

But how big is god's penis?

Date: 2008/11/20 18:59:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 20 2008,19:48)
It would appear the Republican war on the planet will continue to the very bitter end:

From CNN

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Animals and plants in danger of becoming extinct could lose the protection of government experts who make sure that dams, highways and other projects don't pose a threat, under regulations the Bush administration is set to put in place before President-elect Obama can reverse them.

The Bush administration wants to make changes to the endangered species rules.

The Bush administration wants to make changes to the endangered species rules.

The rules must be published Friday to take effect before Obama is sworn in Jan. 20. Otherwise, he can undo them with the stroke of a pen.

The Interior Department rushed to complete the rules in three months over the objections of lawmakers and environmentalists who argued that they would weaken how a landmark conservation law is applied.

A Nov. 12 version of the final rules obtained by the Associated Press has changed little from the original proposal, despite the more than 250,000 comments received since it was first proposed in August.

The rules eliminate the input of federal wildlife scientists in some endangered species cases, allowing the federal agency in charge of building, authorizing or funding a project to determine for itself if it is likely to harm endangered wildlife and plants.

Current regulations require independent wildlife biologists to sign off on these decisions before a project can go forward, at times modifying the design to better protect species.

The regulations also bar federal agencies from assessing emissions of the gases blamed for global warming on species and habitats, a tactic environmentalists have tried to use to block new coal-fired power plants.

Tina Kreisher, an Interior Department spokeswoman, could not confirm whether the rule would be published before the deadline, saying only that the White House was still reviewing it. But she said changes were being made based on the comments received.

"We started this; we want to finish this," said Kreisher.

If the rules go into effect before Obama takes office, they will be difficult to overturn since it would require the new administration to restart the rule-making process. Congress, however, could reverse the rules through the Congressional Review Act, a law that allows review of new federal regulations.

It's been used once in the last 12 years, but some Democratic lawmakers have said they may employ it to block the endangered species rules and other midnight regulations by the Bush administration.

Rep. Nick Rahall, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, said Wednesday that he and other Democrats were committed to "the change that is needed."

Drew Hammill, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said the House will be looking at ways to overturn the endangered species rules and other midnight regulations.

"The House, in consultation with the incoming administration and relevant committees, will review what oversight tools are at our disposal regarding this and other last minute attempts to inflict severe damage to the law in the waning moments of the Bush administration," Hammill said.

The Bush administration has made no secret of its intent to complete the endangered species changes quickly.

When the proposal was first announced in August, the public was initially given 30 days to comment. That period was later doubled after Democratic lawmakers pressed for more time.

Then, last month, the head of the endangered species program corralled 15 experts in Washington to sort through 200,000 comments in 32 hours.

"This is definitely lightning quick," said John Kostyack, executive director of the National Wildlife Federation's Wildlife Conservation and Global Warming initiative. "I would be surprised that they spent all this time rushing it through if it wasn't greased."

If successful, the Bush administration will accomplish through rules what conservative Republicans have been unable to achieve in Congress: ending some environmental reviews that developers and other federal agencies blame for delays and cost increases on many projects.

Supporters of the changes also expected it to be finalized later this week.

The Pacific Legal Foundation, which advocates for property rights, urged that the rules be approved.

"Litigious activists have used the Endangered Species Act to fight projects," Reed Hopper, the foundation's principal attorney, said in a statement. "The administration's current proposal is a step toward curbing these abuses."

I will vote Republican no more forever.

Date: 2008/11/20 20:08:50, Link
Author: khan
It's the same with God.  You're too hung up on the supernatural side of it though.  I'm not talking about trying to discover the supernatural, or simply labeling all mechanisms as "supernatural".  No, I'm talking about looking at the natural and gaining insights into the kind of mind that would create such wonderful things.  Now, I'm sure that these insights would probably be useless to an atheist, but to those of us who believe, such exploration is fascinating.  

I'm still waiting for HIM to heal me.  Why can't he manage that?

Date: 2008/11/21 08:33:30, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2008/11/21 14:07:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (EyeNoU @ Nov. 21 2008,09:34)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 20 2008,22:26)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Nov. 20 2008,22:37)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 20 2008,18:48)
It would appear the Republican war on the planet will continue to the very bitter end:

From CNN


Then, last month, the head of the endangered species program corralled 15 experts in Washington to sort through 200,000 comments in 32 hours.

Assuming that each comment was seen by just one expert and they were working for the entire 32 hours, with no breaks and no chats with neighbours, that means each comment was assessed in under 9 seconds. Did they have Superman on the job?

Perhaps they hired Michael Behe, who of course can dismiss the comments with a wave of his hand, knowing what they all say without reading them.

ETA: Which might add a new word to the language. They've been Behed.

I think that word already exists, Lou......

As in: Like a pack of hounds on the hunt, IDC proponents went to the microphone at the Texas Board of Education hearing and Behed loudly.

Very good!

ETA: because I never can remember which sites are "[" and which are "<".

Date: 2008/11/21 16:23:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dvunkannon @ Nov. 21 2008,17:21)
In Denyse's latest link to futility, Robert Deyes takes down Sean Carroll with this deep thought:

Front loading

From a philosophical perspective the possibility remains that a designer may have supplied an organism with more genetic information than may have been needed for life- what one may call an "all the options, all the bells and whistles" approach. Such a designer could have been interested in placing non-functional genes in the genome for a future role in his or her design. We all install software into our computers that may not be operational until some later date when we finally choose to use it. Computers can now be accurately scheduled to start a process at a specified instant in the future, similarly to the programming of a recording on a video-recorder.

DNA = God's own Tivo

Will Scooter support the backwards walking butt shaver from Toronto?

They are delving into ever deeper tard.  It's downright scary.

Date: 2008/11/21 17:11:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 21 2008,13:11)
Admittedly, I'm only about halfway through the old testament, but so far, my opinion of this YHWH guy is "humongous dickhead". It's the sort of stuff that only seems righteous if you're living in an unbelievably patriarchal and violent culture. YHWH runs into the slightest problem and thinks, " about I murder everyone?" Yeah that's a great idea Charles Manson.

I actually read the entire bible once (stuck in a hotel in Cleveland in a blizzard in 1977).

Conclusion: god (as defined in the bible) is a big dick with a big dick.  A creature not worthy of worship or even civility.

Date: 2008/11/21 19:31:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 21 2008,20:10)
You guys having tofurkey for thanksgiving?

Roast duck, wild rice, asparagus, asti spumante; it's my own personal tradition.

Date: 2008/11/21 19:37:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 21 2008,20:12)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 20 2008,18:00)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 20 2008,20:28)
Predictions can be made from such a perspective and were made from such a position in the past.  Scientists in the past expected to find order and organization at the heart of creation.

Daniel, observing a blue sky, then stating "I would have predicted beautiful blue skies from my God centered view" is not making a prediction. Nor does it provide an explanation.

Similarly, observing the exquisite order and complexity of living organisms all around us, then stating "I would have predicted beautiful order and complexity from my God centered view" is not making a prediction. Nor does it provide an explanation.

What I am asking you for is something simple. I don't find it in your response. I asking for an empirical prediction and resulting test of said prediction that arose uniquely (or potentially could arise) from your assertion that that life is so intricately organized it requires God as its source - a test of sufficient power to falsify your hypothesis.

Something similar to the experimental tests Miller described.

I'm not asking you to "predict" things we already know.

First off Bill, unless you start answering more of my specific arguments, I'm going to assume that the parts of my posts you snip are conceded.

Second, I am not making predictions of order, organization and complexity based on what I see in nature (this is what your side does).  I am making those predictions based on what I see rational human beings doing.  From a Christian perspective - where man is made "in the image of God" - I'd expect man to be something like God.  Man's creations are often complex, orderly, organized and beautiful, therefore I'd expect God's creations to be the same - only orders of magnitude more advanced.

You, on the other hand, have no rational reason to predict complex organization - other than the fact that it's already here.  Why can't you just be honest and admit that?

Now, I'm not smart enough to make a specific prediction about anything and then tell you how it could be empirically verified.  But I have - many times on this forum - made some general predictions (some better than others) about what I'd expect science to find in future research.  As anyone here can attest - these predictions are not based on my vast knowledge of science, but rather on my religious faith.

Here's an updated version of a file I had on my computer with some of my predictions on it.  I posted this on the horse thread, although I've now changed some of the predictions due to my evolving view of how God might have done what he did.  (Is that OK?)        

Because Evolution is proactive and not reactive:

* Organisms will show evidence of preparation for anticipated environments; rudiments of organs not yet needed will be found.
* When confronted with environmental changes, organisms will adapt using pre-existing but unexpressed features or, they will become extinct.  No new features will evolve.
* Patterns and laws will be found that govern how evolution works.
* Lineages will be found to have begun before environments in which they later flourished began.
* Mass extinctions will have been preceded by the introduction of new types that would dominate the next phase in earth’s cycle.
* Organisms will be found to have begun an adaptive process for a specific feature before the specific adaptation would have been necessary for survival.
* Patterns will be found in the origin, differentiation and eventual extinction of lineages that are not dependent upon environmental factors but exist across all manner of differing environments, geographical locations, types of organisms and ages.

* Mathematical patterns useful for information integrity and transmission will be found in the genetic code.
* Embedded and overlapping coding will be found to be more prevalent than previously thought.
* Careful examination of genomes will find preparatory and adaptive codes “waiting in the wings” ready to be utilized in case of environmental changes - many just a frame shift away.
* Frame shifting will be found to be a more common mechanism for sudden evolutionary change than previously thought.
* Due to the fact that all organisms evolved from one or more “universal genomes”, the genomes of simpler organisms will contain large tracts of essentially useless evolutionary “leftovers”.  More complex organisms will have less useless information in their genomes.  
* Phylogenetic trees will produce results that will increasingly rely on gene swapping and other mechanisms that cause large scale genetic changes.
* No adequate explanation (other than design) will ever be found for the origin of life’s most basic components - i.e. protein synthesis, cell division, sexual reproduction, etc.

* Because the earth, and the solar system were specifically designed for life, no life or signs of previous life will be found on any other planets within our field of exploration.

From a Christian perspective - where man is made "in the image of God" - I'd expect man to be something like God.  Man's creations are often complex, orderly, organized and beautiful, therefore I'd expect God's creations to be the same - only orders of magnitude more advanced.

Can you explain why your fucking perfect creator came up with ulnar nerve entrapment?

Date: 2008/11/21 20:59:47, Link
Author: khan
You mean like the existence of an information carrying code at the heart of every cell?   Would that more logically follow from the premise that life was engineered or from the premise that life was the result of natural accidents?    

So it's part of penis-god's plan from 3 billion years ago that I should be crippled? Fuck you and the god-thingy you rode in on.

Date: 2008/11/22 10:41:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 22 2008,11:17)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 21 2008,20:31)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 21 2008,20:10)
You guys having tofurkey for thanksgiving?

Roast duck, wild rice, asparagus, asti spumante; it's my own personal tradition.

Well Khan, we'll all hang out here and have an After the Bar Closes Thanksgiving.

I'll be here.

Date: 2008/11/22 12:07:50, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2008/11/22 18:36:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 22 2008,19:05)
Uh oh. FTK has just been interviewed by the Onion.

Damn, they're good.

Date: 2008/11/23 18:45:48, Link
Author: khan
The only reason you're predicting that it would happen elsewhere is because life already exists on this planet.  It's not something you would predict if you knew nothing of life.

You do realize this statement makes no sense at all?

Date: 2008/11/23 19:33:50, Link
Author: khan
I'm not convinced.

I guess that settles it.

Date: 2008/11/23 21:03:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 23 2008,22:01)
Not trying to short circuit a provocative discussion, but the observed fact of extinction -- millions of times over -- pretty much rules out the notion that genomes contain everything necessary for adaptation to future needs.

What we have here is preformationism wrapped in modern jargon.

AKA: Serious Tard

Date: 2008/11/24 15:42:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 24 2008,15:33)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 23 2008,16:45)
The only reason you're predicting that it would happen elsewhere is because life already exists on this planet.  It's not something you would predict if you knew nothing of life.

You do realize this statement makes no sense at all?

What don't you understand about it?

How could this 'you' (presumably alive) know nothing of life?

Date: 2008/11/25 15:15:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 25 2008,16:04)
Just got the phone call I've been waiting on.

...I got the job.

That's great.

Date: 2008/11/25 20:07:38, Link
Author: khan
So what exact mechanism did God use?  I can't say that I know, but I do know this: It is the same mechanism that you use every day - creativity channeled through some sort of natural medium.

I have opined much and have discerned the mechanism that HE used:

Man is created in god's image.
Man has a penis.
Man masturbates.

God masturbated (yea verily) and ejaculated the universe into existence once piece at a time.

Splooge: Atoms
Splooge: Molecules
Splooge: Stars
Splooge: Galaxies
Splooge: Third rock from the sun
Splooge: Life frontloaded for next 3 billion years of death and disaster
Splooge: knocked-up a virgin in the Levant

ETA: grammar

Date: 2008/11/26 09:42:14, Link
Author: khan
In historical times, malaria was endemic over most of the Old World, including Great Britain, Russia, Korea and Africa. It was spread by colonialists to the New World, and was rampant as far north as the Rideau and Cataraqui Rivers in eastern Ontario.

How did it spread to the New World?  Actual transfer of mosquitoes; or new mosquitoes picking it up from colonists?

Date: 2008/11/26 20:29:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 26 2008,21:24)

Also, they're probably pissed they aren't getting a cut.

Or cut that they aren't getting... never mind.

Roseanne Roseannadanna: "Never mind."

Date: 2008/11/27 07:56:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 26 2008,21:57)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 26 2008,20:29)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 26 2008,21:24)

Also, they're probably pissed they aren't getting a cut.

Or cut that they aren't getting... never mind.

Roseanne Roseannadanna: "Never mind."

Emily Litella, I believe.

I knew it was one of them.

"Endangered feces."

Date: 2008/11/27 09:19:40, Link
Author: khan
A cross between Kafka and Lewis Carrol.

Date: 2008/11/27 11:57:05, Link
Author: khan
Time to take the duck out of the oven.  This year I followed the directions on the package instead of setting off the smoke alarm.

Date: 2008/11/28 10:27:47, Link
Author: khan
Is it appropriate to serve white wine (Pinot Grigio) at room temperature when said temperature is 60F?

Date: 2008/11/28 17:01:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 28 2008,17:24)
The power is going straight to Barry's head:
In their feverish efforts to prop up the teetering materialist paradigm, to justify the unjustifiable, our materialist friends have now resorted to saying, essentially, black is white

The sheer presumption, the overweening fatuity, of these statements (both the commenter’s and Barrau’s) beggars belief.  
So, to set things straight, we will discuss first, what the Razor means, and secondly how it applies to the multiverse.

The money shot:
Karl Popper argued that a preference for a simpler theory over a complex theory, other things being equal, is justified by his falsifiability criterion, because a simpler theory applies to more empirical cases and therefore is more “testable” and may be falsified more easily.  

So go on Barry, what's more testable? An invisible man in the sky or natural processes operating under natural restrictions?

Cap'n, he's gettin' ready to blow.

Date: 2008/11/29 12:48:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JLT @ Nov. 29 2008,13:04)
Whither the attempt by scientists to show that mind is made of matter? Surely they must know that science can never demonstrate such a connection empirically. It can speculate, using imaging and other surrogates, but science lacks the descriptive power to trace any given thought to specific brain substances and processes in even the most rudimentary fashion.

Never say never.

Brain implant allows mute man to speak

Patient with paralysis* controls speech synthesizer with his mind.

An electrode implanted into the brain of a man who is unable to move or communicate has enabled him to use a speech synthesizer to produce vowel sounds as he thinks them.

The work could one day help similar patients to produce whole sentences using signals from their brains, say the researchers.[...]Nature News

* He is affected by locked-in syndrome. I don't have access to Nature from home, otherwise I'd have quoted more of the article.

What a contrast.

On one hand we have applied science that can help people in terrible conditions (locked-in syndrome sounds particularly hideous).

On the other hand we have semi-literate loons opining about the 'spatula brain'.

Date: 2008/11/29 14:09:30, Link
Author: khan
I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent seas

Actually that seems to sum up the vacuity that is ID.
(yes I know the poem)

Date: 2008/11/29 18:35:23, Link
Author: khan
IE: You don't have a good argument because your stuff has been deleted (by open-minded people).

Date: 2008/11/29 18:40:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 29 2008,19:18)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Nov. 25 2008,17:33)
Now, is it because I don't know exactly what tool (if any) God used to manipulate atoms that you're contending I have "no mechanism"?  

I asked you before how your god created things and you just waved your arms around and waffled. You're doing the same thing now. I've seen no evidence that you have the vaguest idea of how, when or why a god created anything.

And I asked how nature created the E. coli amino acid synthesis system and you all just waved your arms around and waffled too.  I too have seen no evidence that any of you have the vaguest idea of how or why nature created anything.

So, how big is the penis that god-thingy used to splooge the universe into existence?

I want details here.

Date: 2008/11/29 19:01:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 29 2008,19:54)
Quote (khan @ Nov. 29 2008,19:40)
So, how big is the penis that god-thingy used to splooge the universe into existence?

I want details here.

Well, he says it's six inches, but it's really like 4, of course.


A teacher at school is starting her sex education class. She draws a picture of a tit on the board. She asks her class if anyone knows what it is? A little boy speaks up and says they are titties, my mom has two of them. The teacher says very good. Then she draws a penis on the board and asks if anyone knows what it is? The same boy says it's a dick, my dad has two of them. She says two of them? He says yeah, one about this big (2 inches) he pees out of and one about this big (6 inches) he brushes mommy's teeth with.

Date: 2008/11/29 19:32:14, Link
Author: khan
That's where I put it.

Date: 2008/11/29 20:36:12, Link
Author: khan
Imagining the process that must have been involved in the design of a living organism is far beyond human comprehension.

So yes, life does contain the "chisel marks" of God.

How big is god(s) penis?  

As a female, can any of you male persons tell me about your 'chisel marks'?

Date: 2008/11/30 12:40:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 30 2008,13:28)
UFO enthusiasts call on Obama to release X-Files

They believe they have good prospects of success after public statements of support from both John Podesta, who is running Mr Obama's White House transition team, and Bill Richardson, the Governor of New Mexico - a UFO sighting hotspot - who is expected to secure a cabinet post.

I live near (and retired from) Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.  These clowns spend a lot of time asking for information about the alien bodies and artifacts they 'know' are located here.

Date: 2008/11/30 12:44:44, Link
Author: khan

Drinking heavy water...

That was the plot in an episode of "Hogan's Heroes".

Date: 2008/11/30 12:46:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 30 2008,13:41)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 29 2008,17:57)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 29 2008,20:53)
 Only a designer can organize complex materials for specific function.  Forces of nature don't do this.  

Can you show some evidence for this other than the say so of some random internet crank?

I can show that a designer can organize complex materials for specific function.  I cannot show that anything else can.  Can you?

Can you show us all the steps/methods thereof?

Date: 2008/11/30 13:52:22, Link
Author: khan
The "God theory" predicts that there will be organization for function at the heart of everything.

Which god(s) are we referencing?

Date: 2008/11/30 16:24:40, Link
Author: khan
This joker puts the anus next to the vagina. The breathing tube combines with the food tube. Perhaps that sort of being does have "infinite intelligence" compared to, well, you. To me it seems a bit dumb.

We've established that god is male.  

He therefor has a penis, vas deferens, testes, and prostate? Does god's prostate create all the problems for him as it does for mere mortals? Does that explain why he seems to always be in a bad mood?

Date: 2008/11/30 18:28:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2008,19:20)
uh, aside from your gumming it up, that doesn't answer any of my questions, Daniel.

What is my specific purpose?

What is the specific purpose of Ceres?

Says who?

What constitutes a "specific purpose"?

And let's add OldMan's list to that.

Quote (oldman @ Nov. 30 2008,17:15)
What is the specific function of cancer?

What is the specific function of HIV?

What is the specific function of althizemers disease?

What is the specific function of the Vagus nerve in a giraffe?

So, once again, why did you infinitely intelligent designer put the food pipe next to the breathing pipe? What specific function was fulfilled there?

Are you really going with the argument that if something does stuff, that's its specific purpose?

You might want to reconsider that.

Quote (oldman @ Nov. 30 2008,17:15)
Daniel, in your world it appears that the specific function of a car is to make noise, smoke and consume fuel.

and baseballs are designed for the specific purpose of breaking windows, apparently.

And median nerves and ulnar nerves are designed for the specific purpose of turning otherwise healthy 70 year olds into cripples?

Date: 2008/11/30 18:59:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2008,19:47)
Or spinal discs that herniate inwards toward the spinal cord? What is the specific purpose of that, other than to cause excruciating pain for no apparent reason? Is the designer just a sadist?

For that matter, what is the specific purpose of the shape of the human spine itself, because it sure doesn't seem optimal for walking upright. I mean, I'm just finishing up Bio 111, and I've never designed a spine, but them dudes in Japan seem to do it differently. I would call them intelligent designers, because the spines in their robots are much better designed. They're even made of metal! They don't break when the robot falls down! Much better design than the human spine, if you ask me.

Damned thing looks almost like it was originally used by a quadruped or something, who one day decided he needed to stand up and see a little further. Lions and stuff in the tall grass, maybe. In fact, it looks an awful lot like maybe the quadrupeds who could stand a little higher and see a little further tended to get eaten less, and tended to live long enough to breed more. Y'know, if those quadrupeds survived because they stood a little higher and saw a little further, they would probably wind up breeding with other quadrupeds who stood a little higher and saw a little further because they tended to not get eaten as much either. Then they'd tend to have babies who grew up to stand a little higher and see a little further, and get eaten less, and live long enough to breed with other babies who stood a little higher and saw a little further, ....

but that's just silly.

Actually, the truth about the human spine is that the designer is an incompetent moron.

And let's not forget that a lot of the 'design' flaws that cripple us don't show up until age 45+ when most folks have already done their breeding..

Date: 2008/12/02 14:50:07, Link
Author: khan
It is fascinating (and frightening) to see glimpses of what passes for reason/thought in these people's brains.

Date: 2008/12/02 19:05:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 02 2008,19:58)
Mine is better.

It's Patton pending.

Abso-bloomin-lutely perfect.

Date: 2008/12/02 20:42:15, Link
Author: khan
Has she never heard of invasive species? Has she never traveled overseas, only to be questioned about plant/animal products? And, I don't know about you, but I have never been offered a chance to smuggle space aliens through customs. Just unlucky, I guess.

I live in Ohio.

Zebra mussels
Garlic mustard
Russian olive
and many others

Tards are so ignorant as to cause brain damage within 50 feet or less.

Date: 2008/12/02 20:50:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 02 2008,21:20)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 02 2008,19:07)
Well for starters, science will once again be free to explore all options.  No longer shackled by a limiting materialist ideology reality, science will be able to look into every possibility whacko fantasy.  

Fixed that for you.

You're quite welcome.

I always substitute 'reality' Wherever I see fundietards using the terms: materialism, naturalism, darwinism,...

Date: 2008/12/03 20:41:12, Link
Author: khan
What are the dangers of daily exposure to tard?

Mostly I just get the second-hand tard (from here), but sometimes I am enticed to the pure tard.

Afterwords I find myself on the rug with the cat sleeping on my chest.  Can this be harmful to the cat?

Date: 2008/12/03 21:34:20, Link
Author: khan
Have some Madeira, my dear.

Date: 2008/12/04 08:34:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 04 2008,01:02)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 03 2008,19:01)
The cat should be fine. BTW have you guys heard about the lolcat found from 1905?



Date: 2008/12/04 20:20:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,20:55)
Quote (bfish @ Dec. 04 2008,17:50)
Anyone here have a clue about how Parliamentary governments work?

The Canadian Prime Minister suspended parliament today so that he wouldn't lose a no-confidence vote. Or something like that.

He had to ask the Governor-General's permission to do this. (WTF? F'reals?)

Is this a big deal? Just an ordinary Parliamentary happening? It sounds a bit........ Putinish to me.

Edited to remove gratuitous snark.

In the British system, it is the monarch who calls for a general election. If a government is defeated in a vote that is considered to be a matter of confidence, the Prime Minister asks the monarch to call a general election. There are no hard-and-fast rules as to what constitutes a vote of confidence, although the budget, for example, is always treated as one.

The monarch can, instead, ask an opposition party to attempt to form a government. Obviously, this is only realistic if other opposition parties have indicated they would go along with this and between them could obtain a majority. This is about the only authority left to the monarch.

In Canada the Queen's representative is the governor general, currently Michaelle Jean, a Haitian-born immigrant who became a well-regarded TV journalist. The GG is appointed by the Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister for an approximately 5-year period. Recent GGs have not been politicians and it is almost entirely a figurehead position.

The current situation is, briefly, that the PM (Steven Harper, Conservative) got the backs up of the other parties with the mini-budget that was to be introduced this week. They let it be known that they would defeat the minority government then attempt to form a coalition government. Harper (who I feel has an extremely patronizing manner) asked the GG for a prorogue, closing Parliament down for a month or so, in the hope that the coalition would fall apart by then. The alternatives would be to have the budget vote, with almost certain defeat, followed by either an attempt to form a coalition government or a new election. The previous election, though, was only about 6 weeks ago and many people thought that one was not needed (it broke Harper's own law he had just made that elections should be at 4-year intervals). Jean has the authority to insist that Parliament and the budget vote go ahead but she followed the wishes of the PM.

Something to remember is that there are no written rules for a lot of this, it just follows well-established custom and can be changed if there is sufficient motivation and agreement. I think that about covers the basics, but I did not check all of this and I'm quite willing to be corrected by someone who knows better.

Well that would be a first.

Date: 2008/12/04 20:48:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,21:29)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 04 2008,20:20)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,20:55)


I think that about covers the basics, but I did not check all of this and I'm quite willing to be corrected by someone who knows better.

Well that would be a first.

Is this directed at me or just a general comment? If at me, I don't know what I've done to deserve it.

Are you really that oblivious, or is your appearance here some sort of performance art?

Date: 2008/12/05 10:08:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (khan @ Dec. 04 2008,21:48)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,21:29)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 04 2008,20:20)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,20:55)


I think that about covers the basics, but I did not check all of this and I'm quite willing to be corrected by someone who knows better.

Well that would be a first.

Is this directed at me or just a general comment? If at me, I don't know what I've done to deserve it.

Are you really that oblivious, or is your appearance here some sort of performance art?

I sincerely apologize for these posts.

I got the individuals confused.

Date: 2008/12/05 18:20:33, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 05 2008,13:50)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 05 2008,10:08)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 04 2008,21:48)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,21:29)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 04 2008,20:20)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 04 2008,20:55)


I think that about covers the basics, but I did not check all of this and I'm quite willing to be corrected by someone who knows better.

Well that would be a first.

Is this directed at me or just a general comment? If at me, I don't know what I've done to deserve it.

Are you really that oblivious, or is your appearance here some sort of performance art?

I sincerely apologize for these posts.

I got the individuals confused.

Apology accepted., but I was puzzled for a while.

Date: 2008/12/05 20:38:14, Link
Author: khan
Totally off topic: rock & roll

Who is the guy way stage right, and why is he only seen long distance?

Date: 2008/12/06 15:28:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 06 2008,15:47)
NYT article about the passing of H.M.

A free registration may be needed to read this.

Date: 2008/12/08 09:53:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 08 2008,00:37)
Nobody delivers the tard like Gil Dodgen:



11:59 pm
One thing is transparently obvious: DNA information encoding is only a small part of what is going on in biological systems. I suspect that living systems are encoded with a highly sophisticated, multi-parallel — indeed, multi-dimensional-parallel, essentially holographic — information system that is light-years ahead of our understanding of information encoding with digital, sequential-processing algorithms.

There is no way this kind of technology can be explained by random changes and natural selection. It is far beyond our trivial understanding, and is obviously the product of an intelligence far beyond what we can even imagine.

Does he consider light-years to be a time measurement?

Date: 2008/12/10 20:07:49, Link
Author: khan
Quote (1of63 @ Dec. 10 2008,19:33)
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 10 2008,17:10)
In the k.e. secret santasy department:

A man who looks rather like William Dembski in a Santa outfit ;) was clawed by a cat in a store, and now he may need rabies shots. Good thing that he was, judging from his interview afterward, drunk at the time.

Speaking of which, it's time for our annual War on UD's Christmas. What should we do this year? :)

Tell them Santa Claus doesn't really exist?

I concluded Santa didn't exist back when I was 5; my mother agreed with me.  I got into trouble for telling the others of my age that Santa was a lie.

Also got into trouble for explaining sex and kittens.

Date: 2008/12/10 20:11:34, Link
Author: khan
When I came here, I had a prediction - and an easily falsifiable one at that.  No one here has managed more than a cursory attempt at falsification, so I made it easier - I said that if man can create a living organism, my prediction would be disqualified.  Still, I can say confidently, nothing will be forthcoming.  

So how big is god's penis?

Date: 2008/12/11 20:16:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (1of63 @ Dec. 11 2008,21:05)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 11 2008,18:41)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Dec. 10 2008,19:23)
You need to convince me that an imaginary being is capable of producing anything.

The phrasing of your question proves your bias.

How do you know God's imaginary?  Because you haven't seen him?  Billions of people believe he's not imaginary - are they all wrong while you are right?

Oh, please!  Billions of people believed the Sun went around the Earth - some still do.  It isn't true now, it wasn't true then and billions of people believing it didn't make it true.

The Universe is the way it is, not the way we want it to be.

Annoying, that.

Date: 2008/12/13 20:37:17, Link
Author: khan
"Come fundies and creos
All over the land;

And don't use big words
That you don't understand.

Science and biology
are beyond your command.

There's reality out there
And it's reigning.

Please go back to your church
Where they don't give a damn...

For your superstitions are unchanging.

Date: 2008/12/13 22:43:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reed @ Dec. 13 2008,23:33)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 13 2008,17:08)

IOW, evolution by pre-existing but unexpressed coding.

Quote (Helen Pickersgill @ ,)

beyond a role in natural selection, phenotypic capacitors may also support the evolution of cancer cells, which are notoriously resilient to many environmental stresses and exhibit widespread genetic instability.

Your designer sure is a swell guy, front loading us with all the intricately designed mechanisms for cancer to evade treatment.

My brother was apparently 'front loaded' with cancer.  It took him more than 10 years to die; consuming much money, time and effort in the process.

I'm sure he didn't find it much fun.

Thank you, god-thingy for what ever lesson this was supposed to have taught us.

Date: 2008/12/13 22:46:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (khan @ Dec. 13 2008,21:37)
"Come fundies and creos
All over the land;

And don't use big words
That you don't understand.

Science and biology
are beyond your command.

There's reality out there
And it's reigning.

Please go back to your church
Where they don't give a damn...

For your superstitions are unchanging.



Thank you.

Applause is great; you can also throw money.

Date: 2008/12/14 17:14:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 14 2008,17:53)
I'm shocked, shocked I say!!!!

I am amazed that I am amazed at every escalation of dishonesty.

Date: 2008/12/17 20:57:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,21:19)
is it just me, or does the current situation at UD seem less than stable?

The tard is approaching critical mass?

Date: 2008/12/18 13:00:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 18 2008,13:58)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 18 2008,12:59)
So, what other simpsons prank phone call names can be used :)

After the Simpsons, we can move on to chicks from the Bond flicks.

Choo Mi?

Date: 2008/12/18 14:29:02, Link
Author: khan
I have fucking SAD; I fell down on the fucking ice and my left fucking hand is now fucking useless.

Going to spend a fucking day or so wallowing in fucking self pity.

Aleve or alcohol?

Date: 2008/12/18 14:48:41, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 18 2008,15:35)
Use the Aleve. Alcohol is a crappy analgesic. Percodin is a very good analgesic. But, sad to say the best thing is maybe just aspirin to reduce swelling and a little pain.

Did you get an xray? Might be a good idea, and you might get some good drugs.

Got xrays.  Not broken. The doctor noted that I have serious arthritis.  No shit.  Didn't suggest any drugs other than Aleve.

Would a red flag go up if I asked Percodin or Tylenol 3?

Date: 2008/12/18 14:52:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 18 2008,15:40)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,15:29)
Aleve or alcohol?


The inclusive 'or'.

Date: 2008/12/18 14:56:38, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 18 2008,15:40)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,15:29)
Aleve or alcohol?


What would that combo do to stomach/liver?

Date: 2008/12/18 15:24:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 18 2008,16:09)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,12:48)
Would a red flag go up if I asked Percodin.

More like skyrockets.

I don't abuse/use drugs for recreational purposes (except small amounts of caffeine & alcohol); but when in serious need, nothing hits the spot quite like barbiturates.

Date: 2008/12/18 18:34:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 18 2008,19:29)
i'm having one of those days where I just can't take the tard. I think it's because I'm training more and I haven't had a drink or a cigarette since last friday. (Grrrr) But I woke up this morning and checked Ed Brayton's site, and it was like being punched in the head.

"Let's see...what's on Dispatches....Texas Board of Education says creationism's not about religion (pow) Owww....Palin's church fire being blamed on lessee here's a quote 'The radically hateful, extremist and, now, violent (yes, violent!) homosexual movement is on the warpath and it can be suspected that they're responsible for hatefully burning the Church Sarah Palin attends.' (Pow) Owww Owwww...oh...lordy...what's next...Mike Huckabee says christians are horribly persecuted in the USA because atheists were allowed to put up a plaque (POW) OWWWW jesus christ. I don't know if I can take much more of this...."

and then I came over here and read a couple excerpts from UD and after a few short minutes I couldn't go on and I closed out the tab. I went and read some non-tardulent websites, like BoingBoing, and MSNBC, and Kevin Drum, and those felt good. Went outside and caught up on last month's New Yorkers. I just couldn't take the tard. One's constitution has to be properly fortified to withstand that kind of corrosive material. With no cigs or booze I'm in a weakened state. I couldn't take it.

Reality is for those who can't handle drugs?

Date: 2008/12/18 19:23:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,15:29)
I have fucking SAD; I fell down on the fucking ice and my left fucking hand is now fucking useless.

Going to spend a fucking day or so wallowing in fucking self pity.

Aleve or alcohol?

The swelling is going down, there is less pain, the hand almost works.

Date: 2008/12/20 18:55:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 20 2008,19:26)
Quote (dnmlthr @ Dec. 21 2008,00:22)
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 21 2008,00:16)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2008,22:00)
Well, you know what they say, "Always make 'em walk around a dirty horse".

{Points to quote}

Not what Carlson says....


P.S. Right I think that's everyone dealt with.*

* Isn't that {insert someone's mother's name here}'s favourite saying?**

** Ok so I'm phoning them in, we need a new line in mum jokes.

Oh, I thought you were phoning HER* in.

* Someones mother that is.

Damn, these barbs really lack the necessary bite.

Yeah, I can't be bothered with them any more, I think we need a new schtick. I'm thinking Jewish comedians circa 1950s onward upstate New Jersey/New York hotel circuit.


Heck, I grew up in the "Borscht Belt" (AKA 'The Yiddish Alps').

Date: 2008/12/20 18:58:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Frostman @ Dec. 20 2008,19:53)
This just in: Joy has magic powers:
Not just being able to find 4-leaf clovers in fields of clover without hardly trying. I also mess with electricity in a meaningful way. Street lights flick off when I pass. Sometimes in a line. Sometimes they flick back on as far behind my trajectory as they flick off ahead. And I can't wear a watch. Within hours it starts keeping screwy time, stops altogether, or starts running backwards. I've a box full of various types of watches people have given me over the years, in the box because not a one of 'em can keep decent time. Not even the wind-ups, not even the pocket-watches (they take longer to mess up, though).

Oh… and I can fry the electrical wiring in a car or truck just by sitting in it, though me actually turning the key can do it faster.

When asked why she didn't take the Randi challenge,
I'd take Randi's money if I thought he wouldn't define my 'ability' out of existence after the fact so as not to pay me. [...] I'm quite sure synesthesia would disqualify me from the Randi running.

Hmm ... four-leaf clovers ... keeping your magic powers hidden from scrutiny ... Joy, are you a leprechaun?

I've always been good at spotting 4-leaf clovers, father also was good at such.

Date: 2008/12/20 19:19:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 20 2008,20:00)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 21 2008,00:49)
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 20 2008,18:26)
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 21 2008,00:16)

Damn, these barbs really lack the necessary bite.

Yeah, I can't be bothered with them any more, I think we need a new schtick. I'm thinking Jewish comedians circa 1950s onward upstate New Jersey/New York hotel circuit.


Damn, Louis! I thought furries had weird turn-ons, but you are one strange dude.

What is "furries"? I'm too 'fraid to google it. Is is rude?


Not exactly rude; more strange (but mostly harmless).

Date: 2008/12/20 20:03:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2008,20:41)
I've never had much luck with watches, but being an electrician, I had a nasty tendency to get them hung on live wires, so that might have something to do with that.

Hope your wrist is feeling better, Khan.

Almost back to human.

Date: 2008/12/21 17:30:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dnmlthr @ Dec. 21 2008,04:12)
It gets even worse and worse still.

Amazing what I have learned from the internet.

Date: 2008/12/22 10:28:51, Link
Author: khan



9:16 pm
The deal with multiverse is simply to avoid the ultimate question that troubles the entirty of all things from philosophy, to physics, to theology, to life experiences of all kinds; what is it that determines form?

As Johannes Keplar use put it in his seminal writing on the movement of Heavenly Bodies “why do things happen one way as opposed to another?”

In physics we call this the “first cause“. materialist physicists like Stephen Hawkins will have you believe that asking what “caused the first cause” is an incoherent question. Hawking has likened it to the question “what is north of north?“ He says this I meaningless and he is right - but we are not asking what is north of north- no we are asking “why should their be a north at all?” Why is it a north and not say simply a 3 directional world of only south, east and west? There is no way to answer this question except to point to the moment of paradox- that is the point of physical question can be measured. We can set up the real scenario and put it o0t the physicists to explain.

FSM help me, I read the whole thread.

I just love how they constantly tell each other how intelligent and insightful (and morally superior) they are.

Date: 2008/12/22 14:56:49, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Doc Bill @ Dec. 22 2008,15:13)
I remember being 28.



Joyeux anniversaire

Date: 2008/12/22 16:44:49, Link
Author: khan
the guy wearing it is named William Dembski. He's the big head honcho of "Intelligent Design". The biology website I help moderate has made fun of him for years. And for 3 years now, we can't get over that sweater.
Like i'm actually trying to track down where it was made and order like a dozen of them just because they're so awful.

I have visions of a scienceblogs gathering with many folks wearing such a sweater.

Date: 2008/12/24 15:03:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 24 2008,15:27)
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 24 2008,14:05)
Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

Maybe that's what really happened to Khan's wrist?

So some folks actually read and remember my posts?

If the pain in my wrist is an indicator, he wouldn't just have a bloody nose, he would have a fractured skull.

Date: 2008/12/24 21:53:42, Link
Author: khan
The Airing of Grievances:

Fark family
Fark holidays
Fark pain
Fark the god you rode in on

Will not engage in wrestling

Date: 2008/12/25 13:55:00, Link
Author: khan
I am reminded of the instructions on counting to 3 in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail".

Date: 2008/12/25 17:00:42, Link
Author: khan
Personally I'm heterosexual, but damn:

Date: 2008/12/25 21:27:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2008,22:22)
Gotta love that Kairosfocus's explanation of why he writes long comments is itself 593 words long.

Which for Kairosfocus is like a post-it note, but still.

But if he writes short posts, people will go to hell.

Date: 2008/12/26 20:14:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 26 2008,21:10)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Dec. 26 2008,20:47)
Question:  Once you've jumped a shark successfully, does that make you an idiot, a fool or an Expert Shark Jumper?

Our pal Casey gives us the answer out at Evo News and Views with his "review" of Edward Humes book "Monkey Girl" where Casey references such stellar intellectual, scientific and historical websites as ...

... wait for it ...


Yes, Casey offers as PROOF ReasonableKansans!!

Go, Casey!

holy crap.

That's all I got.

Great hot heaping hunks of TARD.

Date: 2008/12/27 20:10:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 18 2008,21:09)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,20:23)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,15:29)
I have fucking SAD; I fell down on the fucking ice and my left fucking hand is now fucking useless.

Going to spend a fucking day or so wallowing in fucking self pity.

Aleve or alcohol?

The swelling is going down, there is less pain, the hand almost works.

That's good to hear, Khan.

If anyone cares:

More than a week later and the pain is pretty much gone and I can do most things again.

Date: 2008/12/28 18:09:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Rrr @ Dec. 28 2008,18:14)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 28 2008,05:04)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 27 2008,21:10)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 18 2008,21:09)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,20:23)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 18 2008,15:29)
I have fucking SAD; I fell down on the fucking ice and my left fucking hand is now fucking useless.

Going to spend a fucking day or so wallowing in fucking self pity.

Aleve or alcohol?

The swelling is going down, there is less pain, the hand almost works.

That's good to hear, Khan.

If anyone cares:

More than a week later and the pain is pretty much gone and I can do most things again.

That's really really good to hear, Khan!

Hear, hear.
Get even better new year, and next year.  :)

This is the only place where I can do serious profanity; thank you all for that.

Date: 2008/12/28 20:50:15, Link
Author: khan
So I've championed two issues here - one (my own) quite unscientific and based on my faith in God, the other (not mine) utterly scientific and put forth by real scientists whose work you'd have to read for yourself if you truly want to understand.  I've tried to describe their cases here but have failed miserably in conveying the substance of their claims and evidence.

So god fucker, what is your 'scientific' explanation for my crippling arthritis?

Date: 2008/12/29 14:06:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 29 2008,14:57)
Oh noes!  D'OL is [URL=

olicy-director/]concerned[/URL] that Obama's pick for director of the White House Office of Science and Technology is a "crank."  Truly, irony is dead.

Serious tard:

Note: My Salvo 6 column on the ongoing stem cell scam is now online. If you got money for Christmas, take the opportunity to subscribe to Salvo. There you will find out about still more amazing establishment science scams - and many other fascinating details of the collapse of popular materialist culture)

Date: 2008/12/29 17:13:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (rhmc @ Dec. 29 2008,18:03)
Quote (khan @ Dec. 28 2008,21:50)
So god fucker, what is your 'scientific' explanation for my crippling arthritis?

original sin.

Why did I inherit mother's original sin, and not father's?

(I realize you're channeling fundietard)

Date: 2008/12/29 23:01:15, Link
Author: khan
If, in fact, God has done the front-loading, then the 'supernatural' part of the mechanism would only apply to the original front-loading.  The rest of it - its workings throughout history - would be mechanical and detectable.  

Did it ever occur to to you (and other fundieloons) that 'front-loading' makes even less sense than straight up creationism (or even last-thursdayism)?

Date: 2008/12/31 10:33:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 30 2008,11:38)
Lil Billy D whines about Wikipedia:

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

The TARD is strong with this one:




6:33 am

I thought I was the only one that noticed all of the biased crap. I’ve spent hours trying to give the other side of the story, but it is always erased within a day or so.
wikipedia is a great resource for a lot of things, but the incredible bias towards materialism...

Date: 2008/12/31 20:12:21, Link
Author: khan
Happy New year!

Live long & prosper!

Date: 2008/12/31 21:32:21, Link
Author: khan
Drinking mead right now.

Should New Year's dinner be shrimp or gizzards?

Date: 2009/01/01 20:12:01, Link
Author: khan
Today I made gizzard casserole.

Maybe I'll make it my New Year tradition.

Date: 2009/01/01 22:41:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 01 2009,23:31)
GilDo warns us of the danger of mindless extrapolation -- and then mindlessly extrapolates.

Short version of GilDo's argument:

You can't scale from boat propellers down to flagella without taking Brownian motion into account. You can't scale aerodynamic models without taking the Reynolds number into account. You can't scale from subsonic to supersonic without taking compressibility into account.

Therefore, Gil concludes, there must be some reason why small evolutionary changes cannot accumulate to form larger ones, and the entire biological community is "just plain stupid" to think otherwise.

Good Lord Mable, that is some serious TARD:

Experience has demonstrated that nothing in the well-understood, mathematically modeled physical sciences can be extrapolated forever without the rules changing, often quickly and without warning.

Date: 2009/01/02 20:44:33, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 02 2009,21:34)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 02 2009,18:30)
Coincidentally I am currently reading Judgment of Paris, G.M. Taber's account of the 1976 tasting that established California wines as equal to or better than the best French wines. I suspect that the TX wines are a few decades away from that sort of surprising success, but I'm sure that they are dreaming about it!

The first thing they gotta do is start using bottles instead of boxes.

What's wrong with boxed wine?

Date: 2009/01/02 23:13:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Jan. 02 2009,23:56)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 02 2009,19:30)
their Select Port is probably the best American-made port that I have tried.

Much like AtBC and the tard, Port happens to be an obsession.

I'll search this out and give it a taste based entirely on the recommendation from one of my favorite MPFC sketch subjects, though I doubt you come with any bloody wafers.

Watch for Louis and Arden making an appearance towards the end.



Date: 2009/01/02 23:36:18, Link
Author: khan
Does anyone know of a good source for may wine?

I recall having some many years ago.

Date: 2009/01/03 10:33:56, Link
Author: khan
Happy another orbit.

Date: 2009/01/03 17:54:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 03 2009,12:38)
StephenB: These days, however, the most dangerous and destructive among the hard atheists are the quiet ones. Loud atheists, like Dawkins, Hitchens, and Dennett beat their chests and yell like Tarzan. Quiet atheists seek to create a society in their own image and likeness by promoting public policy around their materialism. It isn’t the drum beating that threatens our survival, it is the quite, stealth atheism that poses as “education” and “compassion.”

A "dangerous and destructive" threat to "our survival" because those people (atheists, communists, Jews, same thing) are trying to change public policy by promoting their views non-violently.

1996: It becomes impossible to determine whether one is communicating by keyboard with a human or a chimpanzee or O'Leary.

Date: 2009/01/03 21:48:43, Link
Author: khan
From FSM thread:

The research would not be identified as ID research or else it would not be published but the research is ID research even if the researchers say they are anti ID. They are just doing ID research without knowing it or saying it.

Edited for formatting.

Date: 2009/01/04 19:54:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 04 2009,20:29)
Meanwhile, on some cosmology-denier board somewhere:

GilDumdum: One other obvious point: A simulation must accurately depict the system being modeled. The thermonuclear fusion of stars is inherent in, and quintessentially critical to, the function of the astronomical system being modeled, and therefore cannot be excluded from the effects of thermonuclear reactions, without the simulation being rendered completely meaningless.

Is that supposed to mean something?

Date: 2009/01/04 19:57:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (RupertG @ Jan. 04 2009,20:23)
At least we know officially now that the thinking behind Expelled was "we don't really care whether it's accurate or fair, we just want to pick a fight". Which is classic propaganda, after all, so it's nice of them to be honest about that.


(also, this post made in a desperate attempt to move this thread onto the next page, so every visit here is no longer greeted with "*******". The images are getting disturbing.)

I'll help.

Edited in sympathy for the sensitive.

Date: 2009/01/04 20:38:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 04 2009,21:30)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 04 2009,20:54)
Is that supposed to mean something?

I was referencing the last bit of entardument Zachriel quotes here.

Can't tell the actual from the mocking thereof.

Date: 2009/01/05 15:16:29, Link
Author: khan
Just for you: I edited.

Date: 2009/01/05 22:29:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 05 2009,22:51)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 05 2009,14:58)
Thanks Wesley,

I stand corrected on both claims.

I stand by my claim however as to the predictions of front-loading hypotheses (specifically those of the Universal Genome hypothesis and its application to the Trichoplax genome).  No one has disputed that here yet.


Reality, ur doin it rong.

Date: 2009/01/06 14:36:16, Link
Author: khan
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 06 2009,14:41)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 06 2009,12:05)

I don't think Sal is at TT anymore. He mostly hangs out at his own really lame blog where he calls Barney Frank a fag and dreams of Mel Gibson making a movie based on Walt Brown's babblings.

So, I took a look over at Sal's blog and found him salivating over the prospect of a Noah's Flood movie.
Well, a Holywood screenwriter turned Christian is spearheading production:
An epic re-telling of the greatest disaster the world has ever seen, The Flood will be a movie that could change the way people around the world see the Bible. For many years, creationists have been shut out of schools and condemned by popular media, yet in this movie, IJNP is working diligently to ensure our scientific accuracy as we prepare to bring this film to a global audience. This means that at the foundation of our development process, we are committed to hosting a Scientific Peer Review of the flood theories and pre-flood world models so that we will accurately represent the events that occurred.  

The reign of the puppy-beater will end!

Wasn't it about a year ago where we heard lots of crowing about how the imminent release of a movie was going to be the downfall of Darwinism?  How did that turn out for you, Sal?

They should do a video of that.

The chimp's tea party.

Date: 2009/01/06 15:57:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 06 2009,15:59)
A bit thunderstruck...

I'm giving my first introduction of the PASS program to 111 students this morning, and am writing my contact info on the board. I mention something like, "The only real difference between me and all of you is that I've already taken this course for a grade, and I did well...", when Doc interrupts me.

"I want to say something here," he begins. "Last semester, we had three sections of Biology 111, adding up to about 60 students. There was one A, and the man who got it is standing at the board."

What the hell do you even say to that? Totally threw my presentation. Of course I knew I got an A because it was on my report card, but I had no clue I got the only A.

I'm not sure if I feel more shameless pride about it or distress for the other students or sadness about the state of our high school science programs, but there was no way in hell I could keep it to myself.

In any event, I got a pretty enthusiastic response in the 8:00 section, but less so in the 1:30 section. Might be an after lunch thing, or maybe just a more prepared (and thus confident) bunch because almost all the 1:30 students are Science majors. Doc says he picked up on it too, without even having seen the interest surveys. It'll be interesting to see how those two sections compare over the course of the semester.

Case closed: you've earned your stick.

Date: 2009/01/06 20:00:00, Link
Author: khan
I cooked up some corned beef and used part of it to make a variation of minestrone.

Whole grain spiral pasta, a can of black beans, a bag of frozen "Italian Style Vegetables".

Quite tasty.  About 6 meals worth.

Date: 2009/01/06 21:58:46, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 06 2009,20:09)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 06 2009,16:06)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 06 2009,13:22)
Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 06 2009,12:54)
My interpretation of Fuller is that he's an academic, and he sees what he's doing as an academic exercise.  So how this would play out in the real, political, world isn't so interesting to him.  He wants to show how ID an advance as a science.  Which is fine, and very funny to see how it's being resisted.

Then he's even dumber than I thought (despite his nationality). Everybody knows that nobody in the real ID "community" wants to have it "advance as a science". It's a culture war, and a sociologist should know that better than most of the UDiots!

Yeah, this is the bit I don't really understand either.  I can only guess that he's stuck too far up his ivory tower.

I haven't read the Fuller stuff, just what you guys have written here. It sounds like he's telling them, you know, real talk about design--did the Incas make this? Is this tire from the Indianapolis factory? Did Bobby have the means to push Louis down those stairs? Is this the result of a CAD bug?--always necessarily involves having some details of a designer in chosing between hypotheses. Something somewhere did something sometime does not a scientific theory make. If that's what he's saying, he's quite right on that point. It's why the loud-and-proud creationists have published 9 issues of their 'research journal' since the Dover decision, and the ID creationists have published zero. Captain Mustard in the dining room with a chainsaw you can argue about. Something in the somewhere with a something is intellectually sterile.

The IDers are objecting strenuously to Fuller because they know they can't start talking about specifics of the designer without admitting this is just creationism. The whole point of ID is to hide the christian god under a pseudonym and try to sneak past the courts. It was a dumb, dumb idea, and it failed.

Given that Fuller is a philosopher/sociologist(?) posting to a tard pit
how many of the tards have any idea of the terms/ideas he is posting about?

I am having trouble following his thoughts and I have a bit of education in what he posts about.

Date: 2009/01/07 14:10:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 07 2009,14:22)
Oldman- From your link - Thanks BTW - that is some scary shit.... and so is this:

"Wayne J. Downs holds an M.Div. from George W. Truett Theological Seminary at Baylor University. His long-term research interest lies at the intersection of cognitive science and philosophy, and focuses on the dynamics of pain in its relation to establishing moral values. After completing his doctoral studies, he hopes to teach philosophy and religion at the college or university level. He is program director of the Trinity Institute, a nonprofit Christian retreat and study center located in Tehuacana, Texas. "

And even more importantly, could this nutbag be the "Baylor Bear" poster at UD?

Does he (or Behe) wear a cilice?

Date: 2009/01/07 14:24:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 07 2009,15:15)
BTW, what happened to the peer reviewed work Dembski announced.
Will he refer to the rigid peer reviewing process at erasmuspress soon?

"I done looked at my stuff and it were good."

Date: 2009/01/07 18:40:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 07 2009,19:36)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 06 2009,18:14)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 06 2009,19:47)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 05 2009,18:59)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 05 2009,19:22)
I've pointed out that - while it certainly would take the knowledge of God to make front-loading successful...

Your causal mechanism is supernatural, as you indicate. This renders your front-loading hypothesis an inherently non-scientific proposition.

It does not render it untrue.
Absolutely correct.
As for being unscientific...

It is not, and cannot be, scientific. That is all I have been saying.
Complete foreknowledge may be required, but that does not mean the size or information content of the genome would be affected.  If the one designing the genome knew what he was doing, he could make it streamlined, flexible and efficient.

Here you beautifully illustrate exactly WHY this notion cannot be given scientific meaning. "He" could do ANYTHING, and YOU can weave unfalsifiable speculation about same for the purpose of retrofitting your model to fit the data without constraint. Which tells us nothing.


previously, you said this:        
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 28 2008,18:40)

I invite you to really give some thought to what I previously said about frontloading:
Front loading would require pre-storage of the countless adaptations, speciation events, ecological interactions, arms races, and even extinction events that have characterized the story of the survival of life on earth, such that countless biological adaptations remain tightly coupled to an endless succession of changing environments and ecosystems over billions of years. Yet the environmental transitions that demand these changes result from physical processes (planetary, geological, meteorological, astronomical, etc.) that are themselves inherently contingent and unguided and cannot themselves possibly have been "arranged," "planned," or "predicted." This includes the changing microenvironments and apposite adaptations of every extinct and every extant lineage that has taken its place among the astronomical number of ramifications of the tree of life.

This problem stands regardless of the storage capacity of DNA, the action of imaginary error correction methods, even a mechanism to limit the triggering of the expression of adaptive features such that they conform to the nested patterns we would expect to result from descent with modification. It would require the designer, as he assembled the first organisms and stuffed them with all this information, to either exercise complete foreknowledge of, or anticipate sustaining complete control over, the output of the sun, the timing and consequences of asteroid impacts, the tectonic formation and reformation of continents and oceans, along with the accompanying geological events, climatological changes, advancing and receding ice sheets, and countless other factors, over billions of years.

IMHO, the only agent capable of "front loading" that responds to this description would be God, due to the the requirement for either foreknowledge and/or control. [My Emphasis]

Let me ask you this:  What cognitive processes led you to the conclusion that "the only agent capable of "front loading" that responds to this description would be God"?  Was it deductive reasoning?  The process of elimination?  Logic?  What line of thinking led you to eliminate all other forces - including all known intelligent agents - from contention?  I realize, of course, that this is an extreme example - since you outlined a being that would essentially control the universe, but it's not the extremity of the example that has me interested, it's your ability to - by simple logic - immediately come to the conclusion that "God" is the only "being" capable of such a feat.  I find this interesting because you were able to do this with no causal history for said "God".

So let me also ask you this:  Can intelligent activity be discovered purely from its consequences, without a causal history of the agent?

Can the level of intelligence or the abilities of an agent be deduced from the consequences of that agents actions?

Because - by example - you have just answered "Yes" to both of those questions.  (Notice also, that I am not asking whether such reasoning is scientific, only if it is valid)

Is this level of stupid painful?

Should it be?

God-thingy has not responded to my requests.

Why not?

How big is god-thingy's penis?

Date: 2009/01/08 15:51:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 08 2009,16:47)
Quote (BopDiddy @ Jan. 08 2009,10:13)
The Journal of Evolutionary Informatics (JOEI) invites submission of manuscripts concerning theoretical and applied aspects of information phenomona in science, mathematics and engineeering.

Is "engineeering" to "engineering" as "chocolatey" is to "chocolate"?

And "phenomona" is what they were before the Great Vowel Shift.

It's one thing to criticize spelling/grammar in chats/forums/...

It's quite another when such errors occur in a supposedly official/'scientific' site.

Date: 2009/01/08 18:04:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2009,18:58)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 08 2009,15:14)
RickToews (which sounds like some kind of foot disease) demonstrates why fundies should never be trusted:
In the absence of a transcendent directive to “love your neighbor as yourself,” is it not patently obvious that it’s a fool’s errand to respect the other guy’s interests if doing so interferes with one’s own?

(If YOU want to be a starry-eyed idealist and follow “noble” values “for the greater good,” then bully for you; I see no personal advantage in that for me–and if all I can hope for is the here and now, I’ll be switched if I’m going to concern myself with the good of nameless others rather than my own enjoyment, when there’s no ultimate meaning to it anyway.)

The "I'm an utter asshole, fortunately belief in god keeps me in line" statement always amazes me. Not only are you calling yourself an asshole, you're indicting your parents, because they must not have raised you right.

It does pop up with discouraging regularity.

Date: 2009/01/08 18:54:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 08 2009,19:42)
It is clear from the reading of Genesis 3:16 favoured by both the Catholic Douai-Rheims Bible and the Protestant King James Bible that the consequences of original sin were, and always have been: problems with fecundity, childbirth, and carnal concupiscence; problems with the environment and earning a living; decay and death.

Hmm ! Does this mean that caesarean sections (or epidurals for that matter) contradict a literal reading of the book of Genesis ? Must put that one to the cretins on Premier.

I recall it being argued by some who never tried to shove a watermelon through a hose.

Date: 2009/01/08 19:15:02, Link
Author: khan
What I'm most interested in though is the cutoff point.  You'll agree that if a certain action requires omniscience or omnipotence, then it requires God.  But what about something that does not require omniscience or omnipotence, but rather only extreme skill and knowledge?  What about something such as say - the designing of a ribosome?  We know, (and you have pointed out many times), that God can do anything.  So we know that God could design a ribosome.  But what else can?  Could a being like man do it?  Could natural forces?  If you go through your same mental checklist and apply the process of elimination, what are you left with?

Which god?

Date: 2009/01/08 19:21:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 08 2009,20:16)
Quote (Quack @ Jan. 08 2009,02:36)
In all editions of Origins after the third, Darwin wrote:          
The periods during which species have been undergoing modification, though very long as measured by years, have probably been short in comparison with the periods during which the same species remained without undergoing any change.

So Darwin was for natural selection before he was against it?

Just out of curiosity, what is the explanation as to why natural selection normally works against evolution - resulting in long periods of stasis; then suddenly works for evolution - "punctuating the equilibrium" with speciation events for short periods?

(Disclaimer: "suddenly" and "short periods" are recognized to be in geological timescale and in no way reflect an ignorance of that concept.)

Stuff happens, and it does not happen in ways that confirm the existence of your bogyman.

Date: 2009/01/08 19:30:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 08 2009,20:25)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 07 2009,17:03)
An evening in the Wood's Hole MBL Library. That's from my visit in 1993.

I get the impression that you just browsed Goldschmidt's book.  Is that true?

Of these, which have you read cover to cover (if any) Wesley?

Schindewolf's Basic Questions in Paleontology
Berg's Nomogeneis
Grasse's Evolution of Living Organisms
Bateson's Problems of Genetics
Goldschmidt's The Material Basis of Evolution

I'm just curious.

Why do you assume that everyone here is more ignorant than you?

Date: 2009/01/09 14:08:34, Link
Author: khan
Is that a fox?

Date: 2009/01/09 15:27:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 09 2009,00:26)
LOL. Something else came up today.

Cultural things can be funny. The thing that I run into on a regular basis, living here in the South, is the crossed legs thing. I cross my legs at the knees. Not 'like a guy' where i put one ankle on the other knee. The reason I do this is simple. My hip muscles aren't very flexible and doing that hurts. And here in the Deep South, I'll cross them at the knees and get some weird looks from guys on a regular basis. "You cross your legs like a girl" or "You cross your legs like a faggit." or something.

I've been in the military.

I can bench press 250 lbs.

I've smoked everything Camel ever made, and drank everything Mr. Jack Daniels ever distilled. I'm gay because I don't cross my legs correctly? It's weird the cultural signifiers people put so much trust in. I find it kinda funny.

Eventually I'll move away again, but it's weird being back 'home'.

Yes 'cultural signifiers' are weird.  

I don't dye or cut my hair or wear makeup.  A lot of folks at work thought that I was either lesbian or a member of some strict religious order.

I am none of the above.

Date: 2009/01/09 17:39:52, Link
Author: khan
Several years ago I had a 'possum show up with 5 babies attached. I was worried that they would come off as she climbed through the fence, but they held on.

Date: 2009/01/09 17:57:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 09 2009,18:49)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 09 2009,18:07)
These Darwinists and their infernal and convoluted schemes.

The amazing tard, it just keeps flowing.


"a-a-maaaaaa-ziiiiiiiiing tard, how sweeeeeeeeeeet, tha sound......"

One kinda wonders if our little tribe here is just going to keep growing, and thousands of years from now the After the Bar Closers will be baptising each other in the river of tard.

If that's how it's going to go down, I need at least 7 wives. There's no point in starting a cult if you aren't getting money or *****.


I have decided I need a husband AND a wife.

Date: 2009/01/09 20:31:00, Link
Author: khan
Why do you insist that "scientific means" are the "only way to investigate that question"?  You investigated the question of front-loading without adhering to the empirical framework of methodological naturalism and came to the conclusion that God would be required.  Was your "investigating of the question" flawed?  Did you not actually settle the issue with your non-scientific use of logic and the process of elimination?  I'm sensing a bit of hypocrisy Bill.          

Oh look: it thinks it's being clever and provocative.

Date: 2009/01/09 21:52:55, Link
Author: khan
* "Like pushing a piano through a transom" is a folk idiom used to describe something exceedingly difficult; its application to childbirth (and possibly its origin) has been attributed to Alice Roosevelt Longworth and Fannie Brice.

Date: 2009/01/09 22:21:26, Link
Author: khan

Blithering idiot.

Date: 2009/01/09 22:48:16, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 09 2009,23:46)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 09 2009,15:26)
I've mostly ignored this thread, but it's turning out to be pretty cool.

Uh oh, does this mean we can't use this as the "talk shit about Steve behind his back" thread anymore?  :(

Crap, we've been found out.

Date: 2009/01/10 09:20:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Bebbo @ Jan. 10 2009,08:41)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Jan. 09 2009,09:14)
My atheist bus comment that Clive will never let see the light of day at UD -

Even if you accept that "eastern ethics" come from God, they are not being taught in the name of God. The point stands that the Golden Rule can form the basis for human relations, independent of its source.

Why is there social and altruistic behavior in nature, outside of human society? At the very least, those same principles can operate within human society. A human is not a virus.

Reading StephenB leads to an open mouthed "what the f**k" moment:

"Real goodness is inseparable from the kind of courage, humility, and wisdom that thinks beyond this life. If our short stay here is all there is, then there is no such thing as goodness, only survival. If we don’t live forever, then all goodness is wasted, all hope is misguided, and every promise is a cruel joke."

So feeding the starving, rescuing someone from peril, providing comfort and healing to the ill isn't real goodness unless the person thinks there's an eternal life??!!!!!

Truly warped.

Date: 2009/01/10 09:39:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Aardvark @ Jan. 10 2009,09:45)
ftk has updated her blog with an admitted c & p from Creation Safaris (?).

Is there some law that requires creationists to have unintelligently designed websites?

Date: 2009/01/10 17:36:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 10 2009,18:19)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 10 2009,17:55)

You seem a bit defensive Louis.

Nope, just bored with pandering to the perpetually benighted.


perpetually benighted

I like that.

Almost as good as "breath taking inanity"

Date: 2009/01/10 18:18:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 10 2009,18:44)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 10 2009,23:36)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 10 2009,18:19)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 10 2009,17:55)

You seem a bit defensive Louis.

Nope, just bored with pandering to the perpetually benighted.


perpetually benighted

I like that.

Almost as good as "breath taking inanity"

From the Baby Eating Bishop of Bath and Wells episode of Blackadder II (if I'm not mistaken):

Potential house buyer: Oooh you've really got your patter worked out haven't you Mr Blackadder?

Lord Edmund Blackadder: No this is something spontaneous. It's called wit.



P.S. In all seriousness: you flatter me too much, Milady. {doffs hat}

P.P.S. Posting when drunk. I does it.

Flattery r us.

I does it too.

Date: 2009/01/10 19:04:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 10 2009,20:01)
Posting tipsy is okay, but I learned long ago to not have much contact with the outside world when my BAC is >0.1. Too many lost friends and bad sexual decisions. (Or as Louis calls it, "Wednesday")

Best to stay home and talk to the cat.

"Look at all the happy creatures dancing on my lawn."

Date: 2009/01/10 19:44:35, Link
Author: khan
Punch cards, paper tape, acoustic couplers, printouts in lieu of monitors.

Posting since the Pleistocene.

Date: 2009/01/10 19:59:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,20:47)
Khan quoted J. Fogerty thusly:

"Look at all the happy creatures dancing on my lawn."

Hey, now, that song's NOT about drinkin'.  ;)  My 2c.  :)

Dinosaur patrolling listening to Buck Owens...

Date: 2009/01/10 20:06:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 10 2009,20:59)
...and CJYman:
Furthermore, just because something breaks doesn’t mean it wasn’t designed … take a fuse for example.

Yes, and arthritis is a safety device that keeps old folks out of trouble by immobilizing them.

The frakkin arthritis et al is one of the many reasons I reject ID and god-thingy.

Date: 2009/01/10 20:54:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,21:45)
(Shifts gears a little; same band though. . )

Twas writ:

Dinosaur patrolling listening to Buck Owens...

Yeah I can still hear my ol' hound-dog barking
Chasin' down a who-do-there. . . .


"they point the cannon at you..."

Date: 2009/01/10 21:34:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,22:28)
"they point the cannon at you..."

Five year plans and new deals
Wrapped in golden chains. . .

(Hey, this is fun!  :))

From one old fart to another:

Who will stop the rain...

Date: 2009/01/10 21:56:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 10 2009,22:39)
Khan asked:


From one old fart to another:

Who will stop the rain...

Ummm, maybe Willy and the Poor Boys?  :)

Great job on getting the lyric, BTW; I'd heard the song for years and didn't know quite what it was until a former-singer friend of mine spelled it out for me.

At least both of us agree that CCR rocked!!!!

Early in the evenin' just about supper time...

Date: 2009/01/11 11:16:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 11 2009,12:11)
Quote (Jasper @ Jan. 11 2009,11:48)
It's funny how the comedian that writes the Creation-Evolution Headlines doesn't even know how to use scientific terminology correctly:

If you are wowed by circular reasoning, wave your tetrapods.

I tried, but an 80 lb golden retriever is a bit too much for me to wave around.

Plus, I don't think he liked it.

I could wave the 11 pound cat, but it probably be painful (to me).

Date: 2009/01/11 22:21:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2009,13:05)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 11 2009,17:54)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2009,08:34)
I realise that this makes me a bad person. Oh well!

Well. That and several other things.

True, true. My own fallibility is undeniable. However, my humility is so bloody brilliant it makes me wonderful and practically perfect in every way, so there.


Mary Poppins?

Date: 2009/01/12 13:14:16, Link
Author: khan
speechwriter for Nixon; since then his ethics have slid.

'Nuff said.

Date: 2009/01/12 14:21:00, Link
Author: khan
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Date: 2009/01/12 17:58:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (huwp @ Jan. 12 2009,17:14)
Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

What he said.

The human prostate surrounds the urethra and in doing so provides many benefits. Evolutionists consider the structure to be poor design, which should mean that natural selection would have eliminated that design.

Total tard.  Natural selection doesn't weed out crap that kills you off AFTER successfully reproducing.

Date: 2009/01/12 19:50:58, Link
Author: khan
I came here to challenge and to have my views challenged and so far, it's been productive for me.  I've brought my own philosophy into sharper focus through our exchanges here.  You have been one of the few to actually engage in debate.  And, although I think you sometimes reject anything that might force you to consider God, I feel as though you have at least tried to consider my arguments.

Which god?

Date: 2009/01/12 19:52:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richard Simons @ Jan. 12 2009,20:30)
Can anyone suggest what this means?
Look up these pages.1)Chance to say”onse”.2)Intelligence is beyond-don`t no!+The stolen property was probably sold for profit needed for the dance of eternal. Question:Does the thief leapfrog neede supposed un-neededbeauty needed for the leisurely walk in a natural that seems to bee missing today?Yes?

Dr. Time

Go ask Alice, when she's 10 feet tall...

Date: 2009/01/12 20:32:34, Link
Author: khan
Dispatches from the Culture Wars
Respectful Insolence
Greg laden

and of course: here

Date: 2009/01/12 21:42:08, Link
Author: khan
keiths: I, for one, welcome our new onion overlords.  

If you're a carnivore: roast your favorite critter on a bed of onions (possibly also include garlic carrots celery potatoes herbs).

Date: 2009/01/12 22:20:04, Link
Author: khan
And your mind is moving slow

Date: 2009/01/12 22:23:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 12 2009,23:16)
Khan wrote:

Go ask Alice, when she's 10 feet tall...

Obviously, a hookah-smoking character caterpillar has given them the call. . . .



Date: 2009/01/12 22:37:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 12 2009,23:31)
Thank you, Khan.  :)

I dig a pygmy by Charles Houtry and the deaf-aids. . . Phase one in which Doris gets her oats. . . .


Get on home loretta...

Date: 2009/01/13 22:08:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 13 2009,22:40)
Uh, no, Kev-0.

You're a dick.

Which is an insult to dicks, but you get my point since you're semi-literate.

sub-literate, terra cotta toothed imbecile with violent tendencies

--Brett Butler

Date: 2009/01/14 14:47:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 14 2009,15:32)
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 14 2009,12:21)
Algorithmically? That means set up a mechanism, let it run unsupervised, then use whatever it produced without correcting any mistakes. ;)

(Wait, isn't that another way of saying "theistic evolution"?)


In the UD context, "algorithmically" means a sciency-sounding word which may or may not have anything to do with the subject at hand, but makes the other posters think you're clever.

I read that quote several times and never did figure out what it meant.

Date: 2009/01/14 17:42:47, Link
Author: khan
I have at least two hawks that have decided that my front yard is a lunch buffet.  

When the red tailed shows up, even the squirrels stay hidden.

Oh well, I spend less on bird food.

Date: 2009/01/14 19:17:59, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,20:15)
Quote (ERV @ Jan. 14 2009,18:49)
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 13 2009,21:34)
Hate to burst your little bubble, ERV, but Edmondson was as much a part of the Premise team as anyone. He worked out of the Premise office, he was on the Premise payroll, "Beware the Believers" was overseen by the same producers as Expelled.

*puts on her sunglasses and smiles*

Cheshire Cat smile, or Shark smile???

I recall something referred to as CEG: Canary Eating Grin (from a cartoon cat).

Date: 2009/01/15 13:52:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 15 2009,14:25)
pi can't be 3, cause pi are square, and 3 isn't a square number.

So there.  :p

Pi are round, cornbread are square.

Date: 2009/01/15 13:57:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2009,14:04)
So, of course Mr. Murphy rears his ugly head, and just before the Science Online conference I have come down with the cold from hell.

Has anyone ever tried using a pipette through the ear canal to remove vast quantities of head stopping snot? Is it necessarily fatal, or just highly probable? What if I just use a micropipette? Does that improve the odds at all?

I'd like to apply Dr. Dr. D's super secret ID odds calculator thing to this problem, but a search of the literature seems to come up empty on the exact calculations. Is there a slide rule or something I have to buy? Decoder ring?

I don't think this is quackery:

Anecdote: my grandfather did this.

Date: 2009/01/15 14:57:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 15 2009,15:55)


No shit?

Date: 2009/01/15 15:34:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 15 2009,15:55)


And what if the fucking minor swears at you first?

Date: 2009/01/15 16:26:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2009,17:19)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 15 2009,16:34)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 15 2009,15:55)


And what if the fucking minor swears at you first?

It doesn't mention anything about beating the crap out of the little shit.

Several years ago there was a teenass skateboarding on the road.  He had that 'you can't touch me' smirk.  I briefly considered that it might be worth the trouble of running over him, just to change the look on his face.

Date: 2009/01/15 17:36:09, Link
Author: khan
Ricardo Montalban (November 25, 1920 – January 14, 2009)

The great Khan is no longer with us.

Date: 2009/01/15 20:12:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 15 2009,20:33)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 15 2009,14:26)

Several years ago there was a teenass skateboarding on the road.  He had that 'you can't touch me' smirk.  I briefly considered that it might be worth the trouble of running over him, just to change the look on his face.


Damn right!

Didn't like kids when I was one.

Date: 2009/01/15 20:13:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2009,20:14)
Wow. Was just listening to the trained chimp giving his farewell address.

He really has no relationship whatever with reality, does he?

None whatsoever.

Date: 2009/01/15 22:07:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2009,22:59)
Silly J-Dog. If Kevin had one shred of decency, he wouldn't have been involved with Expelled.

Save your breath.

It's difficult to claim any shred of decency once you've sold your integrity to lying liars.

Date: 2009/01/15 22:45:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 15 2009,23:24)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 15 2009,19:26)
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 15 2009,15:19)
Thou shalt fleece the rubes

By pulling the wool over their eyes?

I'm surprised no one has previously offered this explanation of Bill's Sweater.

I always assumed that sweater was a polyester blend from the bargain bin at K-Mart.

I thought 'the sweater' was hand knit by a female relative.

Can someone here reverse engineer and reproduce 'the sweater'?

Crap, I'm willing to pay for it.

Date: 2009/01/17 16:58:57, Link
Author: khan
Happy orbital completion.


Crap I'm old.

Date: 2009/01/17 17:14:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 17 2009,16:50)
Anonymity and Pseudonymity talk by AbelPharmboy and PalMD.

This should be pretty interesting.

We can haz linx?

Date: 2009/01/17 19:10:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2009,19:48)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 17 2009,18:52)
Ah good times!  Reminds me of the time my first puppet accused BA^77 of not being religious enough to fully back ID.

"Papaw Steve, tell me what After the Bar Closes was like?"
"(looks off into the distance) It was a hell of a thing, son. Hell of a thing."

Tard was something beyond your imagining, grasshopper.

Date: 2009/01/17 19:29:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2009,20:20)

Does anyone know his dimensions, so as to construct sweater dimensions?

Date: 2009/01/17 19:49:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2009,20:32)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 17 2009,20:29)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2009,20:20)

Does anyone know his dimensions, so as to construct sweater dimensions?

I already know the dimensions of that sweater.

Too f&$%ing long by Too F&$%ing wide.

I'm 5'3", small boned, and underweight; I'm sure the original 'sweater' could be a tent.

Date: 2009/01/18 13:42:12, Link
Author: khan
Yesterday evening, for the first time (I've been here 30 years) I saw a skunk on the patio.

Date: 2009/01/18 14:49:39, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 18 2009,15:25)
Quote it may change. The first comment points out that it was Lot's wife, of course.

Curiosity and its punishment seems to be a theme.

Thinking and looking and questioning are doubleplusungood.

"Here be dragons."

Date: 2009/01/18 15:18:13, Link
Author: khan
The folks posting here remind me that I have led a relatively dull life.

Date: 2009/01/18 16:10:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 18 2009,17:07)
Tonight:Cincinnati chili.  We prefer it four way.

And to wash it down:Leinenkugel Red Lager

What is the radius of consumption?

IIRC they tried to expand geographically, but it didn't work.

Date: 2009/01/18 16:21:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 18 2009,17:15)
I switched to Classico and Bertollis for marinara sauce. Now when I try the cheap stuff like Ragu it is sickeningly sweet.

First thing to do when purchasing sauce is throw out anything that has added sugar. Most do.

In the midwest, almost everything has added sugar.  I have given up on bread/rolls/bagels, it's all sweetened.

Date: 2009/01/18 16:41:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 18 2009,17:22)
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Jan. 09 2009,20:07)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 09 2009,16:41)
anybody have an recommendations on food processors? I've heard you either pay $30 and get a piece of crap or $200 and get something good. Any comments?

I can give you some recommendation‘s...

I can also provide info on food processor‘s.

Seriously though, it depends somewhat on what your purpose for using one is. That will guide a prescribed evolution to a final decision.

I have four in various sizes and formats for specialized purposes and 2 are manually operated. I love them so...

The thing I'd mostly use it for is chopping up onions, a frequent task I hate to do by hand.

I like using onions in cooking (can not stand them raw) and have serious issues with cutting them.

(I spent one summer working in a restaurant and almost died after spending an hour or so cutting up onions)

Is there somewhere to buy frozen onions?

Date: 2009/01/18 20:05:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 18 2009,19:54)
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Jan. 18 2009,09:35)
What I'd like to know Daniel, is why YOU disagree with these verdicts.  How much research have YOU YOURSELF done into these areas?  How do YOU know that the settled science is wrong?  Is it based on YOUR OWN study of these subjects or is it based on someone elses opinion?

Instead of just whining about how people on this informal discussion forum won't provide you with an exhaustive list of references (why should they spend days working for you), how about you go out and read some real textbooks on the subject which will provide references for you to follow up, then you should be able to find out why this is "settled science".

Like Bill, I'm no scientist, but I've done my share of reading - both pro and con - on these subjects.
One thing I've learned is that if you want to know the weaknesses of an idea you must listen to its critics.  Proponents never tell all.
For instance, if you want a sense of what's wrong with the "genes first" RNA world abiogenesis hypothesis, don't just read "genes first" papers, instead read this.
If you want to know of potential problems with the theory of evolution, you need to listen to its critics.  The same goes for creationism and ID.
As you can see, I'm here... surrounded by critics of my beliefs.  Although I may not always let on, I'm weighing every (legitimate) criticism to see if it has merit.
I'm not one to blindly follow anything or anyone (one of the reasons I no longer attend church), and I really am interested in opposing ideas because, in the end, I just want to be right.
For this reason, I'm reluctant to accept anything as "settled science" on face value.  I have to see the actual science, listen to its critics, weigh the evidence pro and con, then I'll make up my mind.
My main problem is that I'm a man, and whenever I feel someone is disrespecting me without merit, I get my back up.  I need to work on that, and I'm trying to publicly acknowledge when I'm wrong.  It's not an easy thing to do, believe me, but I need to know when I'm wrong or I'll never be right.

I rarely engage cretinous yahoos, but I will make an exception.

Like Bill, I'm no scientist, but I've done my share of reading - both pro and con - on these subjects.
One thing I've learned is that if you want to know the weaknesses of an idea you must listen to its critics.  Proponents never tell all.

What are the weaknesses of gravity?

If you want to know of potential problems with the theory of evolution, you need to listen to its critics.  The same goes for creationism and ID.

Sweet fucking jesus, how ignorant are you?

Although I may not always let on, I'm weighing every (legitimate) criticism to see if it has merit.
I'm not one to blindly follow anything or anyone (one of the reasons I no longer attend church), and I really am interested in opposing ideas because, in the end, I just want to be right.

You want to be 'right' no matter the reality.

For this reason, I'm reluctant to accept anything as "settled science" on face value.

Reality doesn't fit your fantasies.

I have to see the actual science, listen to its critics, weigh the evidence pro and con, then I'll make up my mind.

You decide whether or not reality fits into your imagwe of the big penis god-thingy?

My main problem is that I'm a man

That probably is a large part of your problem (I have no problem with most men here).

So what is your opinion on women speaking/learning/earning/retiring without requiring a man's beneficence?

My main problem is that I'm a man, and whenever I feel someone is disrespecting me without merit, I get my back up.

We disrespect you with merit, you ignorant troll.

but I need to know when I'm wrong or I'll never be right.

As far as I can tell you're always wrong.

And a demented fuckwit on your good days.

Date: 2009/01/18 20:15:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 18 2009,18:11)
Quote (khan @ Jan. 18 2009,17:41)
Is there somewhere to buy frozen onions?

frozen onions would be fine in something like chili, methinks, but not a recipe that requires them to have any firmness. The freezing process busts their cell walls and when they thaw they're mush.

One of my main uses of onions is as a bed under a roast of mammal or fowl.  Doesn't seem to matter if fresh or froze in that case.

Date: 2009/01/18 22:46:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 18 2009,21:55)
Daniel what do you do for a living? Just curious.

I hope it's not plumbing or electricity.

Date: 2009/01/18 22:57:01, Link
Author: khan
Rules of tard:

Tard doesn't know that it's tard.

Date: 2009/01/19 21:28:17, Link
Author: khan
This thread is tard squared:link

There also appears to be none present in the current world. Where are all the dead ends, they don’t have to be extinct, and where are all the intermediaries, they do not have to be extinct. We just cannot assume that for every viable species that exists that all its predecessors are now extinct. That is just too convenient.

Date: 2009/01/19 21:52:59, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 19 2009,18:58)
Looks like DaveScot has gone back to his old standby: AGW denial.

And as a bonus, another DS prediction realized:     
In other news, what I said before is coming to pass. I wrote that when global cooling takes hold we’ll be left with only a fervent wish that more CO2 could warm it back up. Well, a newspaper editor in Flint Michigan has started praying for global warming.

A newspaper editor? Oh, well that settles the matter.

I thought Dembski put his foot down about non-ID posts, didn't he? You'd almost think DaveScot doesn't listen to him.

Tard/crank convergence:

Actually, both climatology and evolution are subjects that involve long strings of inferences, any of which can be faulty. They depend on the reliability of deep time. They’re heavy on computer simulations, pre-fed with questionable assumptions (Note, by the way,how cleanly ID slices through some of the above failings) So, critiquing one “science” prepares you for a critique of the other.

Date: 2009/01/19 22:28:31, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2009/01/20 14:53:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 20 2009,15:50)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 20 2009,12:42)
yeah, and someone please point me to the part where it says the oath has to be taken over the bible, please...

It doesn't.  One of the past Presidents put his hand on a law book, NOT a bible.

I recall reading somewhere (scienceblogs/dispatches?) that T Roosevelt didn't swear in on any book.

Date: 2009/01/20 16:50:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 20 2009,17:49)
Quote (Bueller_007 @ Jan. 20 2009,14:32)
Yes.  As I said.  Journals will supply the author with a submission and acceptance date.  He has provided us with neither.  Merely saying "Both  should be published later this year" tells us absolutely NOTHING about the papers' statuses.

The science of Publication Detection does not attempt to characterize the publication. PD infers the act of publication but does not make assertions regarding the publisher or publishers, the venue in which publication occurs, or the date of publication. Publication detection is not a mechanistic theory, and it’s not PD's task to match your pathetic level of detail in telling mechanistic stories. If PD is correct and a publisher is responsible and indispensable for certain documents, then it makes no sense to try to ape your method of connecting the dots.


Date: 2009/01/20 17:47:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 20 2009,18:42)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 18 2009,18:55)
Daniel what do you do for a living? Just curious.

I am a CNC electronics maintenance technician in a large machine shop.

Do you regularly ask for detailed evidence and history of a procedure before doing anything?

Date: 2009/01/20 18:13:29, Link
Author: khan
It's a matter of his level of knowledge versus ours.  We can understand some of it, but we'll never understand most of it.  It's above our level.
If we can reconstruct a completely natural pathway for the origin of some intricately organized system, God is no longer required.

How big is god's penis?

Date: 2009/01/20 20:56:08, Link
Author: khan
So it's either evolution or God.

Which god(ess) and how big is its penis.

I have realized that even when 'one toke over the line' I make more sense than you and your big penis god.

Date: 2009/01/22 14:40:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 22 2009,15:33)
Jerry is a tard:
Will Obama celebrate February 12th as Lincoln’s birthday, the first president from Illinois? Of course he will but will he also mention Darwin.

If he does the latter which I doubt he will do, he will be inviting unnecessary criticism which I am sure he doesn’t want.

What on earth are you trying to say, Jerry?

Exercise for the class: diagram that sentence (or translate it from tard).

Date: 2009/01/22 14:58:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 22 2009,15:56)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 22 2009,12:33)
Jerry is a tard:
Will Obama celebrate February 12th as Lincoln’s birthday, the first president from Illinois? Of course he will but will he also mention Darwin.

If he does the latter which I doubt he will do, he will be inviting unnecessary criticism which I am sure he doesn’t want.

What on earth are you trying to say, Jerry?

Last I checked, it's called 'babbling'.

I rather like 'blithering'.

Date: 2009/01/22 15:48:16, Link
Author: khan
I once spotted Adonis trimming hedges.  Almost drove off the road.

Date: 2009/01/22 21:02:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 22 2009,21:35)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 22 2009,13:01)
Well, JanieBelle isn't exactly known for her taste.  She used to fraternize with Davescot and JAD.

I believe you are now on the "no birthday post for YOU" list.

At the very least.

Date: 2009/01/22 21:23:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 22 2009,22:20)
Behold the power of TARD.

In all its awesomeness.

Date: 2009/01/23 08:17:15, Link
Author: khan
Happy birthday!

Date: 2009/01/23 16:06:05, Link
Author: khan
My EX told me that, as recently as the 1960s, most Baptists believed in separation of church and state.

Date: 2009/01/23 17:16:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 23 2009,18:01)
We really need to mail Denyse a jr. high grammar textbook:

The evolutionary pyschologists’s “cave men with better haircuts” is just a time-waster in a world where serious neuroscience issues must be addressed.

Either psychologist's or psychologists' would have worked.

ETA linky

BTW: spellchecker didn't like "pyschologists’s", does she not have one?

Date: 2009/01/23 18:46:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 23 2009,19:19)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 22 2009,17:01)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 21 2009,14:31)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 20 2009,19:38)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 20 2009,17:32)
So it's either evolution or God.

Which god, Daniel?

The real one - obviously.

Which one would that be? And how do you know?

That would be the Christian God, and I "know" that because of my own experiences with him, the experiences of others (who I trust) and because of other substantiating evidence - such as the fact that the complex organization of life, the earth and the universe is consistent with creation via an omniscient rational mind.

Erotic experiences?

Date: 2009/01/23 18:48:36, Link
Author: khan
Damn, you're good.

Date: 2009/01/24 08:33:10, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 24 2009,08:03)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 24 2009,01:46)
We might have to consider a single Birthday thread. If we don't, we'll have a few hundred threads here dedicated to that. On the flipside, once we get that list populated, it won't increase much, since next year's birthdays can be celebrated in last year's thread. Up for discussion.

We could do one thread for each year.

"2009 Birthdays", "2010 Birthdays", etc.

Sounds good.

Date: 2009/01/24 18:58:40, Link
Author: khan
Today a hawk (Cooper's I think) came soaring under the patio cover, grabbed something (sparrow or finch) and kept going.

I'm maintaining a bird buffet.

Date: 2009/01/25 21:15:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 25 2009,21:58)
[quote=Lou FCD,Jan. 25 2009,18:16][/quote]

Just in case you haven't been receiving admiring private email, I love the new avatar.

All the boys (except Arden) here are no doubt too jealous and homophobic (except Arden) to note it.


I didn't want to feed his ego with too much admiration.

Date: 2009/01/26 18:00:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 26 2009,18:50)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2009,17:24)
BTW, Daniel, I'd be interested in seeing your code for a simulation of God Theory in action. Pseudocode will do.

Won't that amount to a hideously long series of assignment statements?

"God theory in action" is modeled everywhere, every day by all of us "little gods".

When a little god writes a song - that's God theory.
When a little god designs a chip - that's God theory.
When a little god writes an email - that's God theory.
When a little god builds a house - that's God theory.
When a little god paints - that's God theory.
In short, anytime a little god creates - that's God theory in action.

Is that supposed to make sense?

Date: 2009/01/27 09:43:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 27 2009,04:23)
Quote (nuytsia @ Jan. 27 2009,02:27)
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 26 2009,15:47)
In its first 30 seconds, the video du jour on the UD homepage manages to misattribute a famous Richard Dawkins quote to Charles Darwin.


Jeebus. What a crock.

I notice one of the commenters declaring "Darwinism" dead is quoting Davison.
Nice touch!  :D

...and the final* speaker is Lee Strobel saying "because today science is pointing more directly and more powerfully toward a creator than any other time in the history of the world". The product endorsed is a trio of DVDs: 'Unlocking the Mysteries of Life', 'Privileged Planet', and 'The Case for a Creator'.
No religion there, folks.
*I went there so you don't have to.

You are a brave one to venture so deeply into the land of tard.

Date: 2009/01/27 21:02:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 27 2009,21:34)
This gave me a chuckle. Over on the Is Evolution Biased? thread BA77 decides to derail it in the first comment, linking to a godtube video of a creationist using mathematics to show that evilution is impossible. (BTW, Larry Moran has a good takedown of the guy.)
The maths is all over BA's head and new (I think) commenter B L Harville decides he also needs advice on the English language:

[quoting a previous comment]“Do you know if he applied natural selection to the algorithm? I wasn’t sure after I watched it the first time.”

He is assuming no selection. The speaker is assuming that genes are put together at random and then calculates the odds against that happening. The odds of course turn out to be astronomical so he concludes that evolution is impossible. When your conclusion is the same as your assumption you are committing a logical fallacy known as a “tautology.”

(My emph.)

Please don't entice me to do the hard tard.

I'm getting too old for the straight stuff.

Date: 2009/01/28 12:43:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 28 2009,13:27)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 28 2009,07:20)
Second, I feel honored of being compared to Salvador Cordova.

That's it. I've got to bail. I can't take this concentration of tard right now. Back later.

"A man's got to know his limitations."

Date: 2009/01/28 16:51:43, Link
Author: khan
Great: now that you've mentioned it, I'm going to see it everywhere.

Date: 2009/01/28 18:20:00, Link
Author: khan
This particular twerp reminds me why I never had children.

Date: 2009/01/28 18:23:05, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 28 2009,19:11)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 28 2009,15:37)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 28 2009,12:54)
Paging TeveTory, paging TeveTory,



As you of course realize, it's only science if you can measure it.

So. Does the picture represent the output of

1 year
1 month
1 week
1 tough-ass day as moderator....

for "Mr. Teve Tory "?

You'd be surprised.  I've got some triathlons coming up in the spring I'm getting ready for. So I'm on a ...well, not strict, but not too libertine diet these days. The general schedule I follow is no drinking Sunday through Thursday. Friday and Saturday are my cheat days, i can do what I want. But during the week I'm annoyingly sober. And eating lots of veggies. I think I've eaten somewhere over a pound of stir fry veggies so far today.

Although to be fair, Friday and Saturday do tend to resemble that picture, although vodka bottles instead of beer cans. My tolerance is so high I can't get a buzz off beer without drinking like a gallon of it, and that's uncomfortable.

Next triathlon I do, probably late march, I'll post a link to the results.


I'm down to boxed wine.

Date: 2009/01/28 18:36:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 28 2009,19:31)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 28 2009,16:26)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Jan. 28 2009,19:01)
First, I've never claimed that you or anyone else here was intellectually incompetent.

I'm beginning to think you really are retarded Bill!

And oops.

Maybe you should go back and reread my posts where I already addressed this and the other issues you're regurgitating here.  Are you really that stupid?  Or do you just play dumb in front of your internet friends?

Gosh - did I really say those things?  (sheepish grin)

I'm sorry Bill.  I tend to get carried away some times.

Actually, you lie.  Frequently.

Date: 2009/01/29 16:29:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 29 2009,13:36)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 29 2009,00:05)
I watched Burn After Reading again, after seeing it yesterday, and I liked it a lot more the second time. And at some point, Malkovich is waiting as the clock ticks 4:55. I wonder where this 5 o'clock rule came from. The weekend days where I still drink, I like to wait til 10 or so. That way I can compress all the drinks together. That pairs the intense experience with a small absolute number of drinks, so, drunk + no hangover.

What 5 o'clock rule? Evolution demands more Facebook drunkfail.

Ain't evo-pop psych/rationalizations wonderful? :p

P.S. Never go to 8 AM jazz dance class with a hangover. (Okay, okay, but that was a long time ago!)

An 8AM calculus class with a hangover is interesting.

Why am I still alive?

Date: 2009/01/29 19:49:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Jan. 29 2009,20:33)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 30 2009,09:18)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 29 2009,12:22)
By the way, our new member has disappeared.  Did you kidnap AmandaHuginKiss, Louis?

None of us can find AmandaHuginKiss. Maybe our standards are too high.

Still here with popcorn, just not usually logged in. I'm not as witty as you people so I don't comment.

I did have a break. For a while, I started reading UD directly and found that I was seriously getting angry and depressed. I know you guys joke about taking on unfiltered Tard but it surprised me that I could not just laugh off those numbskulls. I think that reading the highlights here is the best.


The hard tard can cause brain problems

Date: 2009/01/29 22:42:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 29 2009,23:37)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 29 2009,23:23)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 29 2009,22:09)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 29 2009,22:59)
i blame gin and 100% humidity you skeeter buggerer.  i have noted that you are somewhat disgruntled to be back in the swamp.  may i suggest asking your relative about it.

Well, you could call gin unflavored vodka. I admit, i'm cheating and drinking a bit tonight. my usual routine is to only drink Fri and Sat but occasionally I do cheat. I've been so unbelievably sick lately that it was an easy call to make the weekend arrive early. The public schools here in North Florida are currently distributing bacteriocidal wipes, because the crud going around, which I have suffered for 6 days, is unusually bad. And yes, I'm unhappy to be back in the swamp, but i grew up here, and i'm familiar with the locals' ways. Going to the nearby dive bar, The Oasis, I smelled some pot from a guy in the parking lot, and we exchanged looks, and it was like being home again.

maybe go snorkeling in a blue spring?

you could collect me some insects, you know, get outside and wave a net around.  you'll get a quite different look from the locals when you do that.

I really should be doing something other than commenting here right now. While I'm obeying my general rules about not posting while drunk, I have been deeply sick with the flu for about a week now and I shouldn't be talking at all. I'm sure that some of the things I'm saying are weird and disconnected from reality but since it's due to cold medicines I'm not shutting up. And I should be, probably.

BTW, Blue Springs and Ginnie Springs are about 20 miles south of me right now and I have been going to to them. Even though the boils are about 30 ft down and 55 degrees and I should be staying on the sidelines.

You didn't get a flu shot?

Date: 2009/01/29 23:07:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 29 2009,23:59)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 29 2009,20:40)
I am willing, though, to comment while in disordered states,

Not a bad description of Florida.

as some large percentage of our readership consists of lurkers who like our soap opera misbehaviors.



Kitteh is giving me flashbacks.

Date: 2009/01/31 21:55:16, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 31 2009,22:38)
Not to mention approximately $100 million was spent at the inauguration to protect people. 4000 extra police from 100 other police departments, air patrols, FBI, Secret Service,...

'course, getting retarded emails from relatives is nothing new. I got this one last week.

BTW, how old is she? In my experience, young liberal people will make the occasional racist joke around each other in ways that older liberals would find beyond the pale. From what I've seen, the older generation are often tres humorless on the topic of race, whereas the younger generation aren't. But if like you said, this is a pattern, and you have reason to believe she's not really kidding, then that could be a horse of a

You have relatives actually sending you this shit?

I recently re-initiated contact with some relatives after several years, and realized why I had not.

My sister didn't seem to be any way racist, but she was into all sorts of medical woo (including having all of her amalgam fillings removed, and telling me my hereditary arthritis was the result of 'toxins').

Date: 2009/02/01 08:51:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 31 2009,13:40)
From that post
In November 2008 I recruited three of UD’s most insightful and prolific commenters – StephenB, GPuccio and Kairosfocus

Prolific, perhaps. Insightful? Perhaps not.

EDIT: Beaten only by seconds :)

Larry, Curly, and Moe.

Date: 2009/02/01 17:31:12, Link
Author: khan
The number of believers in the supernatural - be they Hindu, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Christian or whatever - only reinforces my argument that these beliefs are there for a reason and therefore merit serious consideration.

I believe I'll have another drink.

Date: 2009/02/01 17:50:29, Link
Author: khan
It is my contention, Bill, that only God can build such systems.  Only an omniscient being could take into account all the variables necessary to make a living organism from earthly chemicals.  Your silence - and the silence of science - confirms my contention.

Are you this obstinately ignorant in all aspects of your existence?

Date: 2009/02/02 17:58:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 02 2009,18:54)
New funniest thing I've read so far this year.

Comcast believes the pornography that interrupted its feed of the Super Bowl Sunday night was the result of foul play, a company spokeswoman said Monday morning.

H/T Greg Laden.

So how much detail can be shown in 30 seconds?

Date: 2009/02/02 18:05:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 02 2009,18:59)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 02 2009,18:58)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 02 2009,18:54)
New funniest thing I've read so far this year.

Comcast believes the pornography that interrupted its feed of the Super Bowl Sunday night was the result of foul play, a company spokeswoman said Monday morning.

H/T Greg Laden.

So how much detail can be shown in 30 seconds?

I'm glad you asked, Khan.

Callers said that the clip showed a woman unzipping a man’s pants, followed by a graphic act between the two.

I 'spose.

Many commercials are in 30 second time frames.

Date: 2009/02/02 18:07:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 02 2009,19:04)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 01 2009,16:11)
Daniel Smith:


Your inability to explain anything proves my point.

People did explain things to you. Your only point is that you can airily dismiss things by invoking unreasonable doubt.

Rest assured that your ignorant obstinance does not count as evidence or authority for the rest of us.


People have explained things to their own liking - but they have not answered my questions or met my challenges regarding the actual evolutionary paths from 'point A' to 'point B'.

If it is "unreasonable doubt" on my part to point out such deficiencies, then so be it.  I guess I'm an unreasonable doubter.

Merely willfully ignorant.

Date: 2009/02/02 20:17:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 02 2009,21:13)
Quote (Leftfield @ Feb. 02 2009,17:09)
From StephenB-
At a bare minimum, we would ask that the academy, the press, and the United States court system to stop lying and to desist from characterizing ID as a faith-based initiative when its methods are clearly empirically based.

Dear Stephen: I just got back from the Evil Atheist Conspiracy meeting featuring the entire press, academic community, and judicial system. We considered your suggestion, then ruled against it. Better luck next time.

And I wasn't invited.

Date: 2009/02/02 20:24:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 02 2009,21:21)
By: StephenB
Monday, February 02, 2009 8:51 PM

Heaping hunks of tard.

Steve: the hard tard can cause damage.

Date: 2009/02/02 22:25:43, Link
Author: khan
Does Daniel realize that (verbally & virtually) he has had his liver cut out and fed to the raccoons?

Date: 2009/02/03 10:00:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 03 2009,07:50)

Moreover, ID satisfies all the conditions usually required for a scientific theory:

1. It is based on empirical data: the empirical observation of the process of human design, and specific properties common to human design and biological information (CSI).

2. It is a quantitative and internally consistent model.

3. It is falsifiable: any positive demonstration that CSI can easily be generated by non design mechanisms is a potential falsification of the ID theory.

4. It makes empirically testable and fruitful predictions (see point 4)

A lot of UD readers are going to be stuck on point 4 for hours.

That is hilarious.

UD stuck in an infinite loop.

Date: 2009/02/03 14:49:22, Link
Author: khan
What I find interesting is on one thread they're calling 'science' evil, and on another they are claiming that ID is 'science'.

Date: 2009/02/03 17:01:46, Link
Author: khan
A new word:

Perhaps he was feeling bitter about things like the Holocaust and the roll scientists played in it, and how they justified bad behavior with their scientistic ideas.

Date: 2009/02/03 18:48:08, Link
Author: khan
Maybe they just don't know God.

I have a standing offer to worship any god that will heal me.

He/she/it/one of them will appear (a dream will suffice), state its name, state my affliction, and state what it requires in return (I reserve the right to refuse to free-base kittens e.g.).

Surely one of the gods that be will respond.

Date: 2009/02/03 19:08:19, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2009/02/03 19:52:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 03 2009,20:40)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 03 2009,17:18)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 03 2009,20:00)
It's easy to point to something that works, and works well, and postulate that such a system would be advantageous and selected for.  Of course it would be!  Why wouldn't it?  Life's systems are optimized.

You mean like the human spinal column? I guess the question is, "Optimized for what? Torture?"

Your village called.

As Daniel could tell you, the human spine was perfect until the Fall.

So really, your back problems are your punishment for being a bad person.


They are his punishment for what imaginary people did in an imaginary place because of a talking snake 6000 years ago.

Date: 2009/02/03 20:20:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 03 2009,21:04)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 03 2009,20:35) all the evidence science has gathered to this point.

That and a buck and a half will get you a cup of coffee.

I'll let Wesley take up the board rules on this one, because quite frankly, I'm not interested in Daniel or his delusions about what constitutes evidence. I'm not interested in his magical invisible psychopath in the sky, and he's shown no interest in intellectual discovery or honestly discussing actual biology.

I'll refrain from sharing the rest of my comment.

He is a one note wonder.

Date: 2009/02/03 21:22:38, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 03 2009,22:12)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 03 2009,20:56)
A) Why do I believe God exists?

I'm not so interested in "why you believe" in the sense of "reasons."

I'm interested in your "experiences with God."

Were these experiences orgasmic?

Date: 2009/02/04 10:27:49, Link
Author: khan
I could have lived a long time without that image in my brain.

Date: 2009/02/04 19:01:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 04 2009,19:06)
That's one big-ass snake.

Titanoboa's fossilised vertebra showed that it was a whopping 13 metres (42 feet) long. By comparison, the largest verifiable record for a living snake belongs to a 10-metre-long reticulated python, and that was probably a striking exception.  Large population surveys of reticulated pythons have failed to find individuals longer than 6 metres. By contrast, Head's team analysed vertebrae from eight different specimens of Titanoboa and found that all of them were roughly the same size. A length of 13 metres was fairly ordinary for this extraordinary serpent. Not quite Jormungandr, but amazing nonetheless.

Gaack! ~40 foot snake.

Date: 2009/02/04 19:31:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 04 2009,19:21)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,00:10)

My sincerest congratulations, sir.

I thank you! Now if I could only get this plane ticket to Peru organised I can avoid the whole sordid mess...


Date: 2009/02/04 19:35:33, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 04 2009,18:25)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 04 2009,22:21)
Congrats, Louis and Mrs. Louis (odd name, that).

Here is your future.

Thanks Albatrossity. Now where did you say that store was? Daddy needs some baby supplies, yeah, baby supplies.


Date: 2009/02/04 19:39:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 04 2009,19:50)
As a very fun aside, I got to stain Escherishia coli, Staphylococcus aureus, and Bacillus megaterium in the lab today. I hope I washed well enough when I was finished...

It was neat looking at the gram negative bacteria next to the gram positive bacteria and comparing them. Took me a couple tries to get an acceptable slide going, though. The first one had way too many bacteria on it, so it was a big purple smudge.

Then we did another stain, to see the endospores in a different color. Little green spots in a sea of purple B. megaterium. That took two tries, too, but that wasn't my fault. Our first smear was from a colony that hadn't quite made it to the spore producing stage yet.
Fortunately, Doc II had an older colony lying about and the second smear went off without a hitch.

It was a very cool day in the lab.

ETA: (Y'know, that place where creobots never actually go...)

"Little pink houses for you and me"

sorry, feeling nostalgic

Date: 2009/02/05 12:46:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 05 2009,12:10)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 05 2009,01:30)
My girlfriend and I are in the often invisible "Deliberately Childless" group. We both love our free, independent adult lives too much to have kids.

Check back and see if she still feels that way when she's 41.

I did.

I still do at 58.

Date: 2009/02/05 13:14:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (bfish @ Feb. 05 2009,14:09)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 05 2009,11:00)
Thanks! The only problem is I'm not Welsh.*

That's OK. Those lullabies aren't either. I think they are Celtic. Maybe.

Oh another thing. Very important. Take lots of pictures of the new kid and e-mail them to your friends every single day, without fail. They really want to see that stuff, and to hear about how many diapers got pooped in, etc. Helps them feel in the loop. They will resent it if you don't do this.

And use the office email to send them to all your coworkers.  Your employer won't mind as seeing and hearing about him every day will raise morale.

Date: 2009/02/05 13:48:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,14:42)
wtf was all that

A disturbance in The Force?

Date: 2009/02/05 15:22:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 05 2009,15:57)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 05 2009,11:10)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 05 2009,01:30)
My girlfriend and I are in the often invisible "Deliberately Childless" group. We both love our free, independent adult lives too much to have kids.

Check back and see if she still feels that way when she's 41.

I would say, don't give her an opening! :p Let her broach it.

(Bias disclosure: Moi, deliberately childfree at 43. The only thing my biological clock is good for is to measure chocolate-time increments.)

You know the word.

Do you also know the secret handshake?

Date: 2009/02/05 18:36:49, Link
Author: khan
And we should all hold off our 'opinions' on reality until we study your blithering idiocies.

Worthless scabby git.

Date: 2009/02/05 19:04:16, Link
Author: khan
You're a willfully ignorant piece of shit.

And I had heard it rumored that you are a coprophagous caprinophile.

Date: 2009/02/05 19:42:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 05 2009,20:32)
On a happier note, I got interrupted while working on my research paper.

I just opened my letter of invitation to join Phi Theta Kappa. It's not as cool as Louis' recent news, but it's the best I could do on such short notice.

Luke: Got 'im! I got 'im!
Han Solo: Great, kid. Don't get cocky.

Date: 2009/02/06 17:08:34, Link
Author: khan
Gee, thanks.

You have enticed me back to the straight tard and it is causing serious brain damage.

Date: 2009/02/06 17:17:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lowell @ Feb. 06 2009,18:11)
Guess who gave a lecture at Liberty University's convocation last Friday?
According to Behe, “irreducible complexity” is the idea that a system has a number of parts that interact to produce a function that each part on its own could not produce. Using a mousetrap as an example, he explained how the complexity of bacteria flagella (self-propelled cells) in the human body point to an intelligent designer.

Bacteria flagellum is made up of three essential parts: a paddle, a motor and a rotor. He said without any one of these parts the flagella, like a mousetrap without a spring, would cease to function properly.

“Like the mousetrap, it’s extremely difficult to see how something like [bacteria flagella] could be put together by numerous, successive, slight modifications,” he said.

There's a nice big picture of Behe accompanying the article. It would be a shame if someone were to photoshop it in some demeaning way.

I get a 'not found'.

Date: 2009/02/06 18:53:53, Link
Author: khan
Dear FSM, I have been doing the straight tard at 'FAQ2 Is Open For Comment' and my brain is getting ready to throw a rod.

That’s quoteable. Its absolutely correct! And as long as it is correct, ID is true science whether the scientific community likes it or not.

Date: 2009/02/06 19:14:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 06 2009,20:02)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 05 2009,17:14)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 05 2009,19:32)
Define "common descent".

This will do, from Talk Origins:

"The theory specifically postulates that all of the earth's known biota are genealogically related, much in the same way that siblings or cousins are related to one another."

I have no reason - at this present time - to doubt common descent.

In fact I could completely accept the theory of evolution with just a few tweaks.  (But they're BIG tweaks - as in non-random mutations and supernatural selection!)  Other than that - it's all good!

I think perhaps God designed evolution as a self-constrained process.  Once evolution starts down a certain path, there are only a limited number of avenues it can take.

Potential and partial systems would be favored under this system because there is an active selective agent.

IOW, I have no trouble with planned evolution.  My only quibble is with (repeat after me) "accidental mechanisms sifted through an often arbitrary filter".

You are totally fucking ignorant.

In fact I could completely accept the theory of evolution with just a few tweaks.

i.e.: rejection of reality.

I think perhaps God designed evolution as a self-constrained process.  Once evolution starts down a certain path, there are only a limited number of avenues it can take.

So does god stick his finger/penis into the DNA once in a while to produce: scoliosis, bone spurs, crippling arthritis... (and that's just me).  Or does all this happen beyond his control as HE is controlled by a metagod (who prevented god from having more than one begotten son?

Date: 2009/02/06 19:35:05, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 06 2009,20:32)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 06 2009,17:21)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 06 2009,20:02)
I have no reason - at this present time - to doubt common descent.

A response worthy of Richard Nixon.

So, do you or don't you? The possible answers I can think of are,

- "In light of current evidence, one cannot reasonably doubt universal common descent"

- "In light of current evidence, one may reasonably doubt universal common descent."

- "I don't know."

The fact that I don't know all the current evidence (do you?), forces me to respond the way I did.  I'm always open to the possibility that I could be wrong about anything.

Are you capable of not lying?

Date: 2009/02/06 19:48:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 06 2009,20:43)

I know that you called for a moratorium on such advice, but I'd like to share two simple rules:

1.  Hold your kid.  Don't be afraid to show affection.  Do your best to make your child always feel safe and loved.

2.  Minimize distractions.  Do your best to give your child your undivided attention.

All the rest are details.

Looking back over my handling of two, now 'twenty-somethings' (one who's given us two granddaughters already!), my biggest regret is that I didn't do these two simple things a lot more than I did.

Why would anyone take advice from a lying piece of shit?

Date: 2009/02/06 20:09:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 06 2009,21:05)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 06 2009,20:32)
The fact that I don't know all the current evidence (do you?), forces me to respond the way I did.  I'm always open to the possibility that I could be wrong about anything.

By the same token you'll agree with the following:

"I have no reason - at this present time - to doubt that the earth orbits the sun. But I don't know all the current evidence, so I could be wrong."

And maybe babies are really brought by storks.

Date: 2009/02/07 09:01:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 07 2009,09:18)
Egad! Thanks to an brilliant satiric essay by Sam Harris, I now understand why Daniel is so sanguine about his logical problems here. This also explains FtK and her inability to grasp the concept that if you lose the logical argument, you lose the argument.

Harris quotes Lisa Randall thusly
Empirically-based logic-derived science and faith are entirely different methods for trying to approach truth. You can derive a contradiction only if your rules are logic. If you believe in revelatory truth you've abandoned the rules. There is no contradiction to be had.

Read the whole essay, it's definitely worth it!

That was excellent.

Took me a bit to shift my thinking.

Date: 2009/02/07 16:42:18, Link
Author: khan
"deep greens and blues are the colors I choose"
--James Taylor

Date: 2009/02/07 19:07:14, Link
Author: khan
Tried something interesting yesterday.

I have lamented not finding good bread; found some decent rye at the grocery store.

Ate some sliced with raw ground beef and a bit of salt.

Heated up the cast iron skillet, dropped in some ghee, dropped in hollowed out slice of rye, cracked in an egg, covered for 2 minutes, turned and sprinkled on teeny bit of cheese, covered for 1 minute.

Sprinkled on some garlic powder.

Not bad at all.

(Don't have a toaster)

Date: 2009/02/07 21:06:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 07 2009,21:59)
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Feb. 08 2009,00:20)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 04 2009,10:05)
On a serious note, speaking of grandparenthood, or rather in this case parenthood, I am going to be a father.

Late to the party as usual (I was at an earlier one...), but I wish to extend my congrats as well.
Any parenting tips will be gratefully received and of course ignored as advice generally is by everyone, we'll just have to make mistakes like everyone else does.

My only advice is to remember that "motion magic" got you into this in the first place and it can help in the most trying of times.

When he cries...pick him up and walk in large circles, preferably through alternating light and dark areas. Won't got to sleep...pick him up and sway. Even in good times...pick him up and dance around. Motion is your friend.

Just don't do this.

Cheers Tony. Whaddya mean don't kick the baby? But they're about the same size as a rugby ball......oh mean spin pass the baby instead. Good idea. Run with the baby instead of endless territory eroding kicking tennis resulting in more expansive exciting parenting with good use of the back three and an exciting spectator experience.

Does it show that I a) watched the opening matches of the 6 Nations today and b) was disappointed by England's dull and dismal (yet winning) performance versus Italy?


Many years ago I watched my sister's offspring while sister was away doing USNavy reserve stuff.

I understand the impulse to beat them (neither of us did).

Date: 2009/02/08 12:35:36, Link
Author: khan
That stirred a memory:


`And how many hours a day did you do lessons?' said Alice, in a hurry to change the subject.

`Ten hours the first day,' said the Mock Turtle: `nine the next, and so on.'

`What a curious plan!' exclaimed Alice.

`That's the reason they're called lessons,' the Gryphon remarked: `because they lessen from day to day.'

This was quite a new idea to Alice, and she thought it over a little before she made her next remark. `Then the eleventh day must have been a holiday?'

`Of course it was,' said the Mock Turtle.

`And how did you manage on the twelfth?' Alice went on eagerly.

`That's enough about lessons,' the Gryphon interrupted in a very decided tone: `tell her something about the games now.'

Date: 2009/02/08 22:42:49, Link
Author: khan
It should be noted that the initial impetus behind my conversion was the realization that the Darwinian thesis of purposelessly-driven life was an obvious, Himalayan-sized pile of pseudoscientific crap. This realization required only a minimal education in mathematics, chemistry, physics, and computation.

I really is smarter than all you scientistic folks.

Date: 2009/02/09 11:10:50, Link
Author: khan
BTW, what's with the "Babs"?

She doesn't have a dick, and therefor is not smart enough to play with the big boys.

Date: 2009/02/09 17:42:45, Link
Author: khan
Cracklin' rosie, make me a smile
Girl if it lasts for an hour, thats al right
We got all night
To set the world right
Find us a dream that don't ask no questions, yeah

Date: 2009/02/09 21:27:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 09 2009,22:17)
appropriate of nothing,

I'm definitely over 40.


Date: 2009/02/10 13:39:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 10 2009,14:10)
This is how they show that "Ms. Forrest has tied herself into linguistic knots." :)
Agency, on the other hand, is a non-natural – but not necessarily “supernatural” cause. Any particular agent may be a human agent; a superhuman but non-divine agent; or a divine agent, and only this last category would be “supernatural.”

*Holds head* Bwa ha HA! Well, two can play at that game.

Agency can also be an animal cause. Anyone heard of sexual selection?

As a matter of fact, I think it would be instructive to start distinguishing the behavior at UD according to these criteria: :p
1. male to male combat (esp. over their FAUQ pages, plus Gil's ongoing battle with himself, and Dave spitting into the wind)
2. mate choice (who dallies with YEC, who dallies with denying common descent, and who shilly-shallies with bets and bottles of single-malt, etc. - maybe call that malt choice instead, I don't know)
3. textual conflict (Sorry, Louis):
  a) interlocus - "big tent" versus picking on theistic evolutionists, "we are scientists" versus "science is bad," etc.
  b) intralocus - the point at which a thread, having obtained optimum hard questions, is abruptly closed or taken offline. ;)

AKA: "dick waving"

Date: 2009/02/10 14:05:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 10 2009,14:57)
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 10 2009,19:36)

Isn't UV also absorped by water?
I always thought that the shorter the wavelenght, the more water the light can pass through before it's filtered out. I tried to find out how deep that is for UV light and I found this list (German) with absorption coefficents for different wavelenght and the layer thickness* after which the intensity is reduced to 1/1000 of the original:

Yes water does absorb UV to some extent.

As for how deep different wavelengths of EM radiation can penetrate into bodies of water, I honestly don't know off the top of my head. I'm also not sure about the correlation between wavelength and depth of penetration. A couple of things spring to mind though:

a) Gamma rays, X rays, cosmic radiation etc pass through water. They have very short wavelengths compared to blue light for example.

b) Different materials have different absorption spectra, so there isn't necessarily a linear relationship between wavelength and depth of penetration.

I could be wrong however, I'll nip off and have a read!


Admit you don't know?

Look it up?

You'll never be a good IDiot.

Date: 2009/02/10 18:21:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 10 2009,19:11)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 09 2009,12:44)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 09 2009,14:16)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 09 2009,10:35)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 09 2009,13:06)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 07 2009,12:31)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 07 2009,14:53)
I think the earth's orbit is a bit more established than common descent (which must posit numerous genomic duplications and genomic transfers between unrelated organisms), so no, the two are not equivalent statements.

Is it, on the whole, your belief that all extant terrestrial organisms are related by universal common descent?

Do you, for example, believe that reasonable doubt may be sustained regarding the relationship, by way of a common ancestor, between human beings, chimpanzees and bonobos?

Let's put it this way:
Until the exact route of evolution is established, there is always room for reasonable doubt.

Why don't you express your view without the slippery evasiveness.

Do you, or do you not, believe that there is reasonable doubt that human beings, chimpanzees, and bonobos are related by way of a common ancestor?

Has, or has not, the exact evolutionary route between a common ancestor and chimps, humans and bonobos been established?

While you might see this as "slippery" Bill, I'm of the opinion that nothing is established until it's established.  While the general data seems to point to such a connection, it hasn't been worked out to any level of detail.  Until it has, I'll always leave a door open.

You didn't answer my question. That is the essence of a slippery response.

Of course the "exact route" of human descent from that common ancestor hasn't been worked out in "every detail." These are events that occurred over a period of five to seven million years (fifty thousand to seventy thousand centuries), and it is the nature of such historical events that the careful, arduous fieldwork and analysis of physical anthropology is required to infer those details. Nevertheless, more than enough is known from multiple lines of evidence at many levels of detail to conclude that doubt of the basic relationship between chimpanzees and human beings is not sustainable, nor rational.

Now answer the question. Do you, or do you not, believe that there is reasonable doubt that human beings, chimpanzees, and bonobos are related by way of a common ancestor?

[edits for clarity]

So, because you are convinced (I'm guessing you know very little about the actual evidence Bill), then I must also be convinced?

Is your opinion based on direct knowledge of the subject or on what you've read over on

Are you trying to browbeat me into accepting something you know very little about?

We've all heard about the likenesses between these three species, but what are the differences and how did they come about?

Do you know anything about this Bill?

Or are you just a parrot?

I was not going to respond to your logorrhea, but dear fucking Odin, do you truly not realize the depths of your ignorance and depravity?

Date: 2009/02/11 15:43:57, Link
Author: khan
When are the orgies scheduled?

Date: 2009/02/11 17:41:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 11 2009,18:30)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 11 2009,21:43)
When are the orgies scheduled?

My place. 6pm GMT until so early it's late. Bring own jello.


What flavor?

Date: 2009/02/11 20:52:36, Link
Author: khan
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  I have and I knew the man who received the miracle. This took no knowledge except of a promise and a principle.  Mark 16:17,18 (Jesus speaking) "And these signs shall follow them that believe:  In MY NAME they shall...lay hands upon the sick, and they shall recover."  John 14:14 If you shall ask anything in my name I will do it."

The family did not believe in Christ, they were steeped in the fetish, animism, and witchcraft.  But afterward the oldest son spoke before the extended family (maybe 20 people there in the yard).  We believe in spells and the fetish, we see spirits in the woods and we are afraid of them.  We see the spells destroy us, but your God is greater than all of that!"

My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache.

Have you ever been divinely protected?  Once about 23 years ago, I had not been a believer long.  I decided to walk to the store about 8 blocks away.  I had always driven it so I was unaware of the two dogs that resided in a certain yard.  On this particular evening, they were running free--big dogs, one a german shepherd.  Hair raised, they were prancing with that expression of the hunt in their eyes, coming right toward me.  You know how a dog cowers when you throw a rock at him.  Well I did nothing, I didn't have time, but they did.  They both looked up at something behind me, yelped, cowered and pranced away with tails down.  There was nothing there that I could see, but they obviously responded to something they saw.

If you think that there is no spiritual world, your spiritual are eyes are shut. If you think that the natural world is all you are all wrong.  I am more sure of that than you are in evolution--because I have seen it and experienced.

Now you can mock, attack my credibility, laugh, whatever.  I really couldn't care less.  I'd rather please God than you people that spread your pernicious beliefs throughout our schools and the media.  

The true church invisible is not a building, nor does it have the name of a denomination on it.  It will survive all onslaughts of opposition.  Jesus said, My word will never pass away.

Can any of you explain the nation of Israel to me?  How could a people who didn't have a nation since 70 AD, when Titus ransacked Jerusalem, return to their land 1900 years later?  Britain and the Balfour Act of 1917?  It is stated in several passage of the OLD TESTAMENT, before this happened, that God would gather his people back to their land--this is speaking in a double prophecy (which is common in scripture) of the first return from exile in Babylon (Read Jeremiah, Daniel) in the last days.  

Daniel, Revelation, the antichrist--a world leader with a messianic like following, who will oppose Israel and also Christians to the point of execution--are all  getting closer to us and the return of Israel is a sign of the last days.

Time is short.  I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs.

Serious guano here.

Date: 2009/02/11 21:52:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2009,22:44)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,21:18)
Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?  

No, and neither have you. I'll be impressed when prayers regrow an amputated limb in a controlled lab. You can do your proselytizing elsewhere.

Want to talk science? Feel free. You're not off to an auspicious start, however. You might want to take a basic biology or chemistry course before you go any further.

...or you can just continue getting your ass handed to you. Whichever.

Shit, I'd be impressed if I could open a jar without assistance.

Date: 2009/02/11 22:23:32, Link
Author: khan
Now one fine night they leave the pool hall headin' for the dance at the Armory
Libertine men and scarlet women and ragtime.
Shameless music that'll grab your son, your daughter into the arms of a jungle animal
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground, trouble!

Date: 2009/02/12 14:45:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Spottedwind @ Feb. 12 2009,15:00)
For ye doubters...rejoice in his image.

an overwhelming feeling of logic

Date: 2009/02/12 15:26:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 12 2009,16:23)
Once every 200 years I'm allowed to make merry.

Lime Jell-O vodka shots.

Back when I was in college (the Pleistocene) we preferred strawberry.

Date: 2009/02/12 16:17:46, Link
Author: khan
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 12 2009,16:51)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2009,15:34)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 12 2009,15:49)
As for the graphs, let's all just admit that college students are slackers!  :p

Hey now.

Don't play innocent with us.  You were just bragging about how much time you spent spackling the ceiling.  Don't think we don't know what that is a euphemism for!!!!   :angry:  :angry:

And sanding the drywall and watching the mud dry...

Date: 2009/02/12 16:25:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 12 2009,17:00)
Thunderbird wine mixed with cherry Kool-Aid.

(Hey, maybe that's where I drank the Kool-Aid.)

Then, Annie Green Springs wine came out and there was no turning back.

Bending over and hurling, sure, but no turning back.

** Breaking News! **

The DI has listed a series of Darwin Day peer-reviewed research articles written by DI fellows and supporters.

Oh, sorry, they're OpEd pieces.
 John-Boy Wells has a "nice" article that's getting shredded in the comments.  The article sucks but the comments are fun.

Close enough for creos.

Date: 2009/02/12 17:57:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 12 2009,18:41)
These guys don't do well when they leave the shelter of their comment free zones. Casey Luskin indulges in a 6,750+ word whinefest [URL=

l]here[/URL]. Don't bother reading any more than the first few paragraphs - they set the tone for the rest of the piece. The comments, however, are worthwhile.
(Sorry if this is off topic - it's not about the DI, but it is Casey.)

That is some serious whining dumbfuckery.

Date: 2009/02/12 18:16:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 12 2009,19:07)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 11 2009,17:48)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 11 2009,20:08)
Bill: Chimps and bonobos - no, humans - yes.

Now, was that so hard?

Of course, the essence of my question pertains to the common ancestry of human beings and the other great apes. Your response (correct me if I am wrong) is that you believe that there is no basis for reasonable doubt that bonobos and chimps shared a common ancestor, yet there is a basis for doubt of common ancestry between human beings and the other great apes (and beyond).

Some questions:

- What is your basis for doubt in the instance of human beings? A basis that does not exclude shared ancestry for other species.

- Chimps and bonobos are separate species. They diverged approximately 2.5 million years ago. They shared a common ancestor. You now state that you believe there is no basis for doubt that there was such a common ancestor. Does not this inferred but undoubted common ancestor satisfy your demand for an example of an immediate precursor of complex system(s) (namely chimpanzees and bonobos)?

- How do you square the above (assertion of reasonable doubt regarding the common ancestry of humans and other great apes) with your recent statement, "I have no reason - at this present time - to doubt common descent." You are now directly contradicting that statement. Which is it?

- Since you believe that doubt of common ancestry between human beings and other great apes (and presumably all other species) is reasonable, whence would say human beings emerged, if not from ancestral species?

- What relevance does your model of front loading at the onset of life have for human beings if they didn't descend in some manner (even if by means of saltations) from SOME ancestral species?

[edits for clarity, accuracy and enhanced acidity]

Bill, I'll admit that I'm prejudiced when it comes to human ancestry.  I don't want us to be descended from apes, so I need extra convincing when it comes to that.  It's my bias.  I'm not sure how we fit into the picture re: evolution.  I'd like to believe we are a special creation of God, but I'm not wed to the idea.

As for your other questions:  Common ancestry is compatible with front-loaded evolution.  The saltational theories of evolution I've studied all posit multiple origins though (similar to the flowers Albatrossity keeps harping about).

As for the "immediate precursor", I don't think you understand what I mean by that.  I'm asking for the immediate precursor to an extant biological system - with the evolutionary path between them.  It's not enough to just point to something and say that it's the immediate precursor.  The two must be connected by a real pathway.

Your 'wanting' has nothing to do with reality.

Date: 2009/02/12 18:47:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2009,19:43)
Just to be sure I wasn't missing something or reading your intent incorrectly, I went back and reread the subconversation with Alby.

Nope, I didn't.

You're still wrong.

You're still ignorant.

And you're still stupid.

And like it that way.

Date: 2009/02/12 19:06:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2009,19:57)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 12 2009,19:05)
Ha Ha!  Dembski loves him some Luskin post, and then Luskin gets bashed by ID Loyalists!  

Don't they know they are supposed to wait until Friday for the meltdowns?  Or does the Darwin Day Holiday throw off all their timing?

Luskin Bashing


My Tard Tolerance is too low these days. I just couldn't get through it.

Gimme the highlights, J.

I ventured into the tard jungle; had to use the machete to escape.

Date: 2009/02/12 20:11:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Feb. 12 2009,21:05)
Lou replied to somebody with the following:

Hey now.

And I quite agree, as I also resemble that remark.

:)     :)     :)

p.s.  San Diego doesn't count as Tijuana, it's just close.

Just send your mail, to the Tijuana jail?

Date: 2009/02/12 20:18:54, Link
Author: khan
Total Tard

As Darwin himself realized, the fossil stratum corresponding to the beginning of the Cambrian geological period was potentially inimical to his hypothesis. In a blink of geological time,now dated by various means to 542 million years ago, all of the advanced body types of "modern" multicellular organisms suddenly and simultaneously appear.

How can someone be this ignorant and remember to breathe?

Date: 2009/02/13 14:20:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 13 2009,14:40)
Pivar?  Now there's a familiar name  
Threat Type: Lawsuit Date:  08/16/2007
Status: Concluded Location:  New York
Disposition: Withdrawn Verdict/Settlement Amount: n/a
Legal Claims: Defamation; Tortious Interference
In August 2007, Stuart Pivar sued science blogger P.Z. Meyers and Seed Media Group, LLC (SMG) for defamation in federal court in New York. According to the complaint, Pivar is an "industrial, inventor and scientist" who edited a book called Lifecode, which...  read full description

(sorry about the formatting)

That's why the name looked familiar.

"balloon animals"

Date: 2009/02/13 15:39:55, Link
Author: khan
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 13 2009,13:38)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

Bill Hicks said something related: (paraphrased)

"Walking up to Jackie Kennedy and showing her the rifle you wear around your neck."

Date: 2009/02/13 18:02:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reed @ Feb. 13 2009,18:59)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,20:03)

In any case, I don't think she saw it as putting God to the test.  She had a relationship with God and that was between her God.  In any case, she has been drinking milk for years with never a problem.

Have you ever wondered why your God would cure your sisters milk allergy, yet not cure a single* rabies victim after the onset of neurological symptoms ? Of all the thousands of people who die horrible deaths every year, are none more deserving of help than allowing your sister to drink milk ?

As for the case in Africa, you have to understand that they are a more spiritually based culture.  The idea that there is no spirit world to them to mock, just like atheists here mock Christians.  And I am talking about predominantly the village culture, (which is where I worked mainly) not urban upper class.

If you accept these anecdotal claims of prayer based miracles, why would you not also accept the same peoples claims of witchcraft ? For example, do you believe that wizards can steal ones penis by magic ? How about the evil eye ?

Have you ever noticed that frequency of supernatural events has a direct correlation to the anecdotal nature of the evidence and the prevalence of superstition in the population ?

* In the interest of accuracy, there are a handful of reports of people surviving clinical rabies, e.g. However, in comparison to the millions of victims in human history, it is very a small number indeed.

And don't forget pre-antibiotic tetanus.

Date: 2009/02/14 13:50:56, Link
Author: khan
Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis)

There's name for them?

Date: 2009/02/14 19:42:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 14 2009,20:24)
As god-less evil scientists, why can't we just improve the world by breeding Daniel with his soul-mate RFJE, and just have ONE wierd rambling non-responsive thread?

Will combining two halfwits yield a whole wit?

Or a quarter wit?

Date: 2009/02/14 20:32:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,21:11)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 14 2009,14:50)
Heberden's nodes (signifying arthritis)

There's name for them?

They're painful for a time - perhaps six months - then tend to settle down discomfort-wise, although the bumpy nodes represent osteoarthritis damage and are permanent.

Another example of incompetent (or sadistic) design?

They usually aren't painful.

Date: 2009/02/14 22:12:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 14 2009,23:06)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2009,18:26)
[b]Darwin reader: Darwin’s racism[b]


Thanks for the link. I actually went and read the creatocrap at UD, which I rarely ever. O'Bleary was quite funny, but I didn't laugh out loud.

There is a glaringly obvious issue that seems to have passed by the creationists, (no surprise) but also Allen M.; Darwin is making the point that we are all descended from Africans, and we are all apes, of course.

Can you imagine how radical that was in the 1800s. Try making that argument today to a bunch of rednecks. When you get out of hospital, tell us how it went.

Darwin does think that Northern Europeans are superior to all others. So do most Northern Europeans today. I have met very few people who don't think their culture and their race is superior.

Having been raised with that assumption, I think I have mostly overcome it.  But I admit to it being there.

Do the tards ever discuss the biblical justifications for slavery used by the secessionist states?

Date: 2009/02/15 12:24:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 15 2009,06:34)
I notice that the older topic in this thread is apparently the only place Google now knows about the various responses to O'Leary's "Unbalanced Centrifuge" post and claims.

I wonder how that happened?

Date: 2009/02/15 16:16:53, Link
Author: khan
What I find difficult to understand is the acceptance by members of nominally Christian groups of blatant lying and misrepresentation. Perhaps it doesn't count when the person who points it out isn't a True Believer.


The religious upbringing I did have did not include lying and slander as values.

When quite young I used to wonder how to respond to 'information' presented by avowed Christians.

I became disgusted when I found out that most of the time they were lying.

Date: 2009/02/15 16:29:13, Link
Author: khan
When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.

Date: 2009/02/15 16:31:32, Link
Author: khan
What so many forget is how the SBC, Southern Baptist Convention, came about.

It's purpose was to give biblical backing to slavery.

When I told my Baptist friends, who chide me for "believing in Darwin and not god" about it when they started jumping on me for following such a racist SOB, Darwin, I pointed that out to them.

I seem to recall some other churches split on the topic of slavery: Methodists?

Date: 2009/02/15 17:40:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 15 2009,18:10)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 15 2009,17:29)
When I click on the 'quote' button in a post, it goes to the previous post.

Odd, seems to be working for me.

Did it a couple times; now seems to be working.

Must have been leprechauns.

Date: 2009/02/16 19:13:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 16 2009,19:50)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 14 2009,18:14)
Furthermore, if you had actually READ those papers rather than comb through them for something to hang your dunce cap on, you would know that there is absolutely NO evidence for "some kind of genetic rearrangement due to polypoloidy".

I'm not sure you read the papers Albatrossity.  If you had, you'd also know that they are positing genetic rearrangement as part of the polyploid process.

Look at Fig 2 in this paper: "Polyploidy: recurrent formation and genome evolution", by Douglas E. Soltis and Pamela S. Soltis.

It is a diagram contrasting the traditional view of polyploidy with the revised view.  Notice how often they refer to genetic rearrangements?  (It helps to look at the picture, but here's the caption):
Fig. 2. Comparison of (a) traditional view of genomic evolution subsequent to polyploid formation with (b) new or revised view. The classic view of genome evolution suggested that interactions between the parental genomes of an allopolyploid were minimal. Recently, it has become apparent that both intra- as well as intergenomic rearrangements occur. (b) In this example, arrows indicate genomic rearrangementsintragenomic rearrangements are represented by hatched areas on chromosomes from ‘diploid B’; intergenomic rearrangements are represented by translocation of ‘black’ or ‘white’ chromosomal segments between the genomes of ‘diploid A’ and ‘diploid B’. The degree of genomic change can also be influenced by cytoplasmic–nuclear interactions. In a newly formed allopolyploid, there are adverse interactions between the nuclear genome contributed by the male parental diploid and both the nuclear and cytoplasmic genomes of the female parental diploid; genome adjustments must occur to restore nuclear– cytoplasmic compatibility. Available data suggest that the nuclear genome of maternal origin experiences less change than does the paternal nuclear genome. Other evidence implicates transposable elements in the genome reorganization that has been detected in polyploids.

So you see Albatrossity - you were wrong about that.  It would seem that you are working from the traditional view of polyploidy rather than the revised view that Soltis and Soltis now champion.

It's so cute when the tards 'explain' science to the scientists.

Date: 2009/02/17 16:52:10, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 17 2009,17:49)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 17 2009,22:01)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 17 2009,10:46)
I have it on very good information that Arden has a man-crush on Casey and I'll bet he'd be willing to fork over some serious green.

Dude. Please. Even Louis is better looking than Casey.

At least Louis has the sense to shave that space between his eyebrows.

Untrue. The unabrow is sign of virility and manhood in old country.



Date: 2009/02/17 18:59:55, Link
Author: khan
Just an observation:

ATBC time stamp is ahead of my PC time.

When first noticed a while back was 3 minutes; is now up to 6.

Right now PC says 7:52 PM

Date: 2009/02/17 19:35:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 17 2009,20:29)
Quote (FrankH @ Feb. 17 2009,08:23)

How many designers are there?  What are some of the characteristics of these designers?

Thanks in advance

Go back and read my previous posts.

I don't try to hide the fact that my designer is the Christian God.

Which one of the pantheon?

Date: 2009/02/17 19:50:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 17 2009,20:43)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 15 2009,15:38)
Here we go 'round the mulberry bush,
The mulberry bush, the mulberry bush.
Here we go 'round the mulberry bush,
So early in the morning.



I get it.  No one can understand these issues unless he has first read the books you've read.

I cannot learn about fossils from Otto Schindewolf because he was not a Darwinist.  The man Dr. Norman Newell once called the "world's greatest living paleontologist" is unfit to teach me anything about the fossil record because he did not toe the party line.

I cannot learn genetics from Richard Goldschmidt or William Bateson, nor can I learn about morphological biology from Leo Berg.  In spite of their excellent credentials, I must learn genetics and morphology from someone steeped in the same orthodoxy as you.  That is after all, the only way to get a complete understanding.

Of course, other than "Read a book", you have not contributed anything of substance to this discussion since your failed attempt to defend abiogenesis way back in the beginning.

You've got your Bathroom Wall back, why don't you go back there, enjoy a fart joke or two, and leave me alone.

You are beginning to blither, as do all fundie yahoos.

Date: 2009/02/17 20:03:39, Link
Author: khan
Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 17 2009,20:35)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 17 2009,18:59)
Just an observation:

ATBC time stamp is ahead of my PC time.

When first noticed a while back was 3 minutes; is now up to 6.

Right now PC says 7:52 PM

Your profile edit page should show a time zone tab where you can enter your desired timestamp relative to antiev central time (ACT)

I don't know how to find said stuff.

Date: 2009/02/17 20:30:51, Link
Author: khan
The time (including your current adjustment) is:   Feb. 17 2009,21:29

PC says 21:23

Date: 2009/02/17 20:46:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 17 2009,21:41)
That's better agreement than I get between my cell phone, my laptop, the microwave, and my alarm clock:p  I guess now you'll have to right click on that offending PC clock and make it agree with the "official" ACT.

It doesn't bother me all that much, I just note that the discrepancy has been increasing.

I just wonder if there is a problem somewhere deep in ATBC.

"Never mind."

Date: 2009/02/17 20:57:44, Link
Author: khan
Test: 21:50 here

21:57 ATBVC

Date: 2009/02/18 08:47:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 18 2009,04:30)
Are you sure your PC has got the right time? Your PC should synchronise the time with an internet server automatically, but it doesn't always do that. If you've got windows, right click on the time in your task bar and click Adjust Date/Time. The third tab in the opening box is Internet Time. There you can update the time manually.
Maybe that'll help.

I have the same time on both computers and on the cable box.

Date: 2009/02/18 10:56:38, Link
Author: khan
Happy trip around the sun.

Date: 2009/02/18 14:27:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 18 2009,15:17)
What are they at the university where you teach, Dave?


And Dave without a ban button.

That's gonna leave a scar.

Date: 2009/02/18 16:50:30, Link
Author: khan
Debating the existence of god

Date: 2009/02/18 20:41:07, Link
Author: khan
Could the designers be malicious, negligent, incompetent or worse?

All of the above.

I refuse to worship anything that caused the frakkin pain.

Date: 2009/02/19 11:45:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 19 2009,02:31)
Good night.  Look friends, i respect your knowledge, though you don't respect mine.  It's okay though, because you see I don't have one doubt there's a God, cause He's in my heart, and He's in my best friend's and in my wife's too.  You can tell where He lives because there's a difference in their life.  AND HE CREATED YOU IN HIS IMAGE--you're not an animal.

Get this.  Hypothetically speaking, if God is a Spirit as the Bible says, you have no way of finding Him by natural means.  He's in another dimension.  It's only through your spirit--your heart that you can find Him.  You can ask Him to show you, if you really want to know sincerely.  Not a hand on the hips "God if your real then do this."  But sincere seeking on the knees.  He'll show you when he's  ready.

If I get on my knees god will pull down his zipper and offer me the big one?

No thanks.

BTW: if god wants me on my knees why did he give me arthritis?

Date: 2009/02/19 11:50:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (BWE @ Feb. 19 2009,03:23)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 09 2009,22:00)
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 09 2009,21:41)
To form protein, the amino acids are linked by dehydration synthesis to form peptide bonds.

lots of sciency-sounding blabbering deleted

Do I get an A for effort guys?

I am always amazed at how an IDiot can take a tiny nano-bit of information, combine it with a preconceived conclusion, and generate vast amounts of tard.

My hat is off to you, sir. You have taken "fractally wrong" to a new dimension.

First, Louis, you are an astounding bunch of people. If I ever get the chance to meet you, I'd like to get you drunk as shit and listen to you tell stories. My hat is off to you sir.

Second, Albitrossity, in what dimension does 'fractally wrong' begin?

Third, I've been away too long.

Fourth, RJFE, do you know what a chloroplast is? Just checking first. I don't want to assume anything.

I will return.
I will return.
I'll come back
for the tardidity...

Date: 2009/02/19 12:19:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 19 2009,12:40)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 19 2009,10:31)
StephenB has a theory why evolutionary biologists don't go around killing people:    
For all I know, evolutionary biologists are too busy committing adultery and destroying the religious faith of their students to run stop lights and shoot people.

There's hope for you, science nerds!

OMG! I wondered about that stoplight thing, and now jerry has explained it for me!

That is a truly sig-worthy find, oleg.  Thanks for braving the tardmines to dig it out.

I offer praise to those who venture into the tard jungle to retrieve specimens.

I envision them using a machete to hack at the tard tentacles that seek to entrap them.

Date: 2009/02/19 15:19:17, Link
Author: khan
I fucking hate interviews.

"Why don't you look me it the eye?"

'What the fuck does that have to do with computer programming?'

--Sorry for the flashback.

Date: 2009/02/19 16:10:16, Link
Author: khan
Thanks, I needed that: Sitting here in Ohio with a head cold and a bad attitude.

Date: 2009/02/19 17:25:00, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 19 2009,18:19)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 19 2009,17:36)
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 19 2009,11:05)
I could've just highlighted all of it.

This guy is seriously getting on my nerves.

JLT - Damn man, that is some detailed fisking!

I think you put more into Jerry's dismantling, than Jerry put into his education, or praying to god for brains!

Thank you. IMO people like Jerry are more dangerous than e. g. Ray Martinez. RM is obviously nuts, but Jerry is oh so reasonable. He doesn't object to macroevolution because of his religious convictions but because of the evidence, dontchaknow. Bleh. I think it's important to show that the "reasonable" IDists are emitting the same kind of terminal nonsense than the more obvious cut off from reality-type IDiots, even if it isn't as much fun.

Btw, it's "Damn woman" ;)


Another of the female persuasion.

Date: 2009/02/19 19:17:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 19 2009,19:34)
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 20 2009,00:10)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 19 2009,23:25)
Btw, it's "Damn woman" ;)


Another of the female persuasion.


But our treehouse has a sign on it saying "No Gurlz alowd" with the "z" backwards and everything.

Well, all right, you can come in, but no playing with Arden, he has cooties.

[Daily Mail reader voice]

Honestly, it's political correctness gone mad. Women don't want equality they just want to have babies and do cooking. Next we'll be allowing poofs, darkies, cripples and foreigners to post on our message boards. Well enough is enough I say, we should get out of Europe in order to keep the internet British.

[/Daily Mail reader voice]


And we will cut out your liver while you sleep.

Date: 2009/02/19 20:04:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 19 2009,20:58)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 19 2009,18:34)
Honestly, it's political correctness gone mad. Women don't want equality they just want to have babies and do cooking.

You know that whole baby delivery mechanism?  NOT intelligent design.

Shoving a watermelon through a hose?

Fuck that.

I also pay someone to do housework.

Date: 2009/02/19 20:38:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 19 2009,20:24)

You're right.

does this mean he can't be AfDave?

Are they not both lying creo shits?

Is there some way to distinguish?

Date: 2009/02/20 16:06:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 20 2009,16:57)
Speaking of doe, it's after watching Bambi again that I came to realize that Anakin Skywalker is a cry-mommy pussy.

Edit: Changed "wimp" to "pussy", 'cos I wasn't sure of the spelling, and anyway pussy sounds better.*

*Never smelled a wimp, so I can't judge on that.

You dog.

Date: 2009/02/21 11:35:29, Link
Author: khan
The intertubez have made me realize I have led a rather dull life.

Date: 2009/02/21 12:00:08, Link
Author: khan
He's saying being ignorant of a subject is an advantage that enables him to see the 'flaws' that are not seen by the people who have studied and practiced for years?

Is there a medical term for this particular delusion?

Date: 2009/02/22 12:03:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 22 2009,12:53)
Jesus, West is a piece of friggin' work.

A lying steaming pile of work, couldn't lie straight in bed.

A weaseling little shit no balls preacher/theocrat.

Why doesn't he just come out and say Darwin and Evolution is an athiest conspiracy and that he's defendin' Amerika's gods; guns and oil.

And he's an anti tit gay.

I went to ERV and clicked on those 'mens news' links.  


Date: 2009/02/22 13:50:39, Link
Author: khan
I do most cooking in a 10" cast iron pan.

As I was preheating it today, I smelled all its oniony, garlicky, ghee-y goodness.

Date: 2009/02/22 16:26:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (ERV @ Feb. 22 2009,17:20)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 22 2009,16:18)
Quote (bystander @ Feb. 22 2009,15:25)
What was the crowd like? Was it a sellout? Was the crowd pro ID?

The room capacity was stated at 173 and I'd estimate it at 2/3 full. So call it 100-120.  I didn't get a sense of the breakdown between pro and anti.  For the most part, everyone was well behaved and respectful.  Well, there was this one chick.......



Date: 2009/02/22 17:22:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 22 2009,18:13)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 22 2009,13:50)
I do most cooking in a 10" cast iron pan.

As I was preheating it today, I smelled all its oniony, garlicky, ghee-y goodness.

What time should we all show up for dinner?


And BYOC (critter).

Date: 2009/02/22 17:26:06, Link
Author: khan
I find all sports equally boring.

Do think this affected my promotions at works, as I could not engage in the Monday AM 'football flirt'.

Date: 2009/02/22 19:49:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 22 2009,20:46)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 22 2009,17:43)
stuff me a chicken

Is that what you guys down there call it?

Stuff the chicken with various raw vegetables, and roast it at 400F for two hours.

Fragrant and tasty.

Date: 2009/02/22 20:29:59, Link
Author: khan
Today I roasted some turkey legs on a bed of onions/celery/mushrooms and deglazed the pan with a bit of red wine.

Date: 2009/02/23 19:59:35, Link
Author: khan
"A dirge for him the doubly dead in that he died so young."
--Edgar Allan Poe

Date: 2009/02/23 20:05:05, Link
Author: khan
I come to bury Lou, not to praise him;
The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then to mourn for him?
O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Lou,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

Date: 2009/02/24 08:53:27, Link
Author: khan
Happy 48!

Date: 2009/02/24 18:15:13, Link
Author: khan
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

[quote=AmandaHuginKiss,Feb. 24 2009,18:21]
Quote (csadams @ Feb. 25 2009,09:22)
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Feb. 24 2009,15:23)

I'm wondering if the male/female split is due to more technophobia among females in our* particular age group.  If AmandaHuginKiss is earning $ (or whatever currency is used Down There) fixing computers she's certainly more tech-savvy than most women I know of that age.


- (another mom, of four)

The whole differences thing is very interesting and I have a theory about it. Prior to having kids, I thought that kids are born the same and cultural imprinting made the sexual stereotypes. Well my son and daughter are both stereotypes.

I have noticed one difference that is never mentioned. When I worked for a large corporate, almost all of the professions had men outnumbering the women, except for the accountants and economists.

In my business, I see in a lot of family businesses, the wife does the books. I have an 80 year old customer and he agreed that a tradesman that does not have a wife to do the paperwork will go broke.

Back in the cave days (just to annoy Denyse with some evolutionary stuff), while the men went off and had fun trying to kill the mastadon, who stayed at home and worked out if there were enough fruit, seeds and beetles to eat when they came home empty handed (again).

Oh and Louis is the Hawt one. Lou just gives me strange feelings when he wears that red dress

I'm female, 58, spent ~20 years programming computers.

I am definitely not a stereotype: didn't like dolls, never wanted children, BS in math.

My mother did keep the books for the family business.

Women can also hunt.

I love Lou's red dress.

Date: 2009/02/24 18:17:41, Link
Author: khan
Born ignorant and losing ground ever since.

Date: 2009/02/24 18:53:47, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 24 2009,19:46)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 23 2009,20:16)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 23 2009,17:59)
It has not been shown to be false.

Explain to me the exact processes that produced the new complex organization in the Tragopogon species and then you'll show my assertion to be false.

So far, all we've got is allopolyploid speciation.
What genes were expressed/repressed?  What enzymes were involved and how were they created?  How are the biochemical pathways regulated and where did this regulation come from?  Is there really anything new here - or is this what you'll always get when you throw these two genomes together?

There are lots of questions to ask if you care to ask them.

You have, in this very thread, conceded that the novel Tragopogon species meet your original criteria. I won't bother to document your inability to keep the goalposts in place.

The mechanisms have yet to be worked out in the detail that you demand (for others, but not for yourself), but there is no reason (other than your blinders) to assume that natural processes, known to science, can explain it. You do not need to invoke anything special, nor anything supernatural, to get there. Furthermore it matters not a bit if this is what you "always get", or if it happens once and never again. That is another goalpost on the move.

And the only question that needs to be asked are the ones you have avoided all along. What mechanisms would you use to explain these observations, and what is the evidence for your position? You clearly have issues with the way the Soltis team is trying to explain the observations, but you don't have anything positive to add to the discussion at all.

I've explained the mechanisms of creation as well as anyone here has elucidated the mechanisms of evolution.

Life was built by an omniscient being who was able to bring atoms together via an as-yet-unknown method.  He used his vast knowledge of chemistry, physics, engineering, mathematics, the future and the past to design successful biological systems which would be functional, adaptive, self-maintaining, elegant, efficient and evolvable.  He used the as-yet-unknown method to implement said designs into life.  This method was probably similar to the one we humans use on a macro-scale when we build houses, bridges, cars and the like.  It involves the orderly joining of parts into a whole.

The evidence for omniscience is the fact that all life is mind-bogglingly complex in its organization.  The evidence for a divine plan is the fact that all signs point to an earlier and earlier organizational complexity of life and the fact that there is an increasing reliance by scientists upon reorganizational and combinatorial, rather than mutational, mechanisms to explain such.

It's as good as any of your explanations now.  If you want more detail - I asked you first!

BTW, the novel Tragopogon species does not meet my original criteria - it meets a later challenge.

In order to meet my original criteria, the origin must be fully explained.

The fact that this species has multiple origins and undergoes concerted evolution does not bode well for any of the commonly accepted random evolutionary mechanisms.

I'm glad we're still talking about flowers though!

So how big is His penis?

And why did He need such?

Does He need to pee?

Does He have nocturnal emissions?

Does He masturbate?

As I was not created in His image, do I need to listen to His instructions?

Date: 2009/02/24 19:42:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 24 2009,20:00)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 24 2009,04:51)
You have 12 similar species forming in 80 years, not single species formed 12 times.  They may not be reproductively isolated from each other, yet, but as we have shown that is not difficult to achieve by drift or different selection regimes.

The species concept used in this paper is fraught with error.  It doesn't allow for evolution, it is a morphological type concept.

I smell defeat.

It ain't pretty when they start turning on their own.

Don't blame me Erasmus - Albatrossity brought those "error filled" papers into the discussion!

(I'm taking it that you don't want to talk about flowers anymore!)

Date: 2009/02/24 19:58:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 24 2009,20:30)
Off-topic question here.

I'm a math tutor. 50% of my work is Algebra 1, 40% Algebra 2, 10% Trig, Geometry, ACT, etc.

Background facts:

1 Living in Raleigh during the economic boom times I charged $35/hr
2 Living in this depressed North Florida area during a recession, I now tell some people $20/hr and never hear back from them.
4 My girlfriend's ex is a guitar tutor and he has no prob charging $35 for a half hour.
5 I'm not Joe Schmoe high school student doing this for spending money, I've got a Bachelor's in physics and have logged prob 2-3000 hours tutoring.

All those in mind, what do people here think I should charge? What's an appropriate wage?

Can't help. haven't done tutoring since high school.

Interesting folks will pay for amusement (guitar), but not for important (math).

Date: 2009/02/24 20:11:36, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 24 2009,21:09)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 24 2009,18:52)
Speaking of getting Sternberged, where's SteveStory these days?

Seriously, seriously burned out on tard. I haven't been able to post much since mid-January. It's been a long ride. I started posting at PT in April 2004. I have Always had a taste for tard, but PT/AtBC gave me access to great big mountains of the pure, uncut stuff.

Well, it's taken a toll. You can only do that stuff for so many years before it catches up with you. A year or two ago I burned out and we went looking for other moderators. I've been hanging around out of habit and to try to run at least a faint amount of interference against the small % of people who are just adolescent jerks and will bring the quality of the place down, but I really haven't even been fit to do that lately. And just not really able to engage much. I'm really, seriously, burned out and don't expect to go back to consistent posting.

It's not that I think ID is doomed and we can all go home. The failure of Intelligent Design has been a fait accompli for years. All that remains is the occasional blog post by Casey Luskin or Barry Arrington. A pathetic twilight for a multi-million dollar scam. It's not any practical considerations at all. I just feel like a guy who's gone on the Kingda Ka roller coaster every day for 5 years. My adrenalin glands have died. The thrill is gone. My stomach and nerves are shot. I need to do something else for a while. A long while.

I'll miss you.

I do understand the tard burnout.

Date: 2009/02/24 20:30:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 24 2009,21:24)
Quote (khan @ Feb. 24 2009,21:11)
I'll miss you.

I do understand the tard burnout.

I'll still be around somewhat. I'm just really fried. I found myself reading ScienceBlog posts about Casey Luskin etc and just shivering and skipping past the quotes.

It's like, a little coke, a little booze, a cigarette, that's fine. But wake up and do 10 lines and drink a fifth and smoke a pack and do that for several years and after a while you start to notice that shit's not going your way anymore. You keep chasing the dragon, but the dragon starts to get further and further away, and meanwhile you notice your hands are shaking and your stomach's fucked.

I'll still be around, just in like the broken-down decorative war veteran role, not the gung-ho soldier role.

ETA "Shit's not going your way..."

Tard overload: great crippler of those with functioning brains.

Date: 2009/02/24 20:55:43, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Feb. 24 2009,21:33)
'Ras wrote:

i don't eat no gyromitra and I don't care what david arora says.

you can git allergified to morchella but it might take you about 40 years.  i do know some minnesotan types around here that claim they don't eat them any more.  i don't trust folks that go ice fishing for fun however no matter how well they know their bug dicks.  

can't wait to get some morals!  and some morels too!

Dem dere Minnesota types is prolly fibben to ya down dere cuzza up here we kinda hogs 'em an dey only grow 'bout a month inna year.  Cuzza da snow.  I useta like ta go ice fishin' too but I don' like da tastea ice.  

:)       :)      :)       :)

Oh, by da way, da only mushrooms dat I hearda sellin' fer $1000 was dem kinda dat turn blue and make ya laugh a lot.  Not dat I know anyting 'bout da brown an smelly of it all, eh.  Just ta keep myself outta da hoosegow, ya know, eh.   :)     :)    :)

You shall die alone, and the raccoons shall chew on your bones.

Date: 2009/02/24 21:19:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Feb. 24 2009,22:07)
Khan wrote:

You shall die alone, and the raccoons shall chew on your bones.

No!!   No!!    Anyt'ing but dat!  Dem dere raccoons is da sunzabitches a da whole Koddampt woods, eh!  Any fox knowzat, ya know.  I'd radder haf a squirrel bite offa my. . . . . er,

How'd we get into dis, anywayz?

:)    :)     :)

That was meant for the RFJT.

I would not give your bones to the raccoons.

Date: 2009/02/25 16:27:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (AmandaHuginKiss @ Feb. 25 2009,17:17)
Do I get an "I am with the (Silent) Banned" t-shirt? I haven't checked back* but from last night (Aussie time) I had three message still on moderation and the last was pretty snarky.

Paraphrasing, my messages was after StephenB had declared victory over the atheists


How can you declare victory when you have messages awaiting moderation. You point to a Divine set of moral laws but have failed to demonstrate that they exist in the real world. I have discussed how morals change across Christians today and have changed through time and all you have done is said that I am wrong without saying where i am wrong.

* More for my own sanity. It is better to let the professionals to dip into the TARD.

True, amateurs may not know their TARD limits.

Date: 2009/02/25 19:33:09, Link
Author: khan
Dear carlsonjok:

I appreciate your efforts, and your exposure of the steaming pile of manure that is DI.

Date: 2009/02/25 20:43:16, Link
Author: khan
There are 6 squirrels that take peanuts from my hand; and 2 blue jays that demand such.

Date: 2009/02/27 09:11:16, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2009/02/27 19:03:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 27 2009,19:53)
Quote (FrankH @ Feb. 27 2009,06:30)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 26 2009,18:54)
Quote (FrankH @ Feb. 25 2009,12:10)

That is his choice.

If he wants to "teach the controversy", it's time for him to put up what he believes to be the case.  What he should describe is what his version has or does with respect to:

1:  Evidence

2:  Predictions

3:  Repeatability

4:  Falsification

Those all, and if you know more Louis let's have them, need to be shown by Daniel if he wants anyone to take him seriously.

Right now Daniel, here's a hint.  All you have is a postulate.  You believe that life came about in some certain manner.  That's it.  Can you take it higher?

I'm guessing you've not read most of what I've posted since coming here in September of 2007 - since you seem to be trying to lump me into some generic "ID" category.

I'm not claiming my views are "science" for starters.  They're just my views - based on theology, personal experience, science, bias, etc.

I'm not advocating "teaching the controversy" nor am I attempting to hide my Christianity in a scientific theory.

I'm just here to discuss my thoughts.

I have read your stuff and quite frankly I don't see any theory.  I see wishful thinking, tautological arguments and "I believe it to be" but no theories.

As for "lumping ID into a generic theory", aren't you even more a abuser of "lumping things together"?  In creation circles, cosmology, stellar evolution, galactic evolution, planetary formation, abioginesis and evolution are all the same thing.  You do know that they are different, right?

Even "evolution" has different components.

Now as you are saying that your views are not scientific but your views, that honest of you.  Tell me then, why is your views and perception of how the world works any better than a devout Hindu and how his gods made it all?

Discussing ones thoughts is a noble pursuit.  What is even more noble is learning from sources you don't agree and giving them a truly unbiased hearing even if it goes against one's personal dogma.

If you had read "my stuff", you'd know that I've never claimed to have a "theory".  If I mentioned a "God theory" or a "God hypothesis" in my posts it was usually in response to someone else who had referred to my views as such.

You don't know shit

You don't want to know shit.

You think you can save some of the intelligent educated segment of the culture from being punished by your penis god.

Date: 2009/02/28 15:53:53, Link
Author: khan
What do you think about the blatant lying and slander from those who proclaim moral superiority?

Date: 2009/03/01 19:04:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,19:56)
New Tardling promoted from the bench:




12:25 pm
If ID and evolution agree on common descent, then you’d think the two sides would get along better.

The sole part of evolutionary theories that has any solid evidence is adaptation. Living things can adapt to their changing environments, a fact we can see by observing nature. Common descent, however, relies on fossil and genetic evidence–both of which require vast leaps in logic and a heaping shovelful of assumption. Geneticists must use computer software to analyze their genetic data. The number of times they run the data changes the result. Thus, one set of data produces “thousands of equally good but different [phylogenetic] trees,” as geneticist Alan Templeton is quoted as explaining in the book African Exodus.

When the evidence itself can mutate, no concrete conclusions can emerge from it.

Lisa A. Shiel
author of The Evolution Conspiracy

Oooooh, she has blog!!!!!

I research and write about everything strange, from Bigfoot and UFOs to alternative science. My books include The Evolution Conspiracy, Backyard Bigfoot , Strange Michigan, and the novels The Hunt for Bigfoot & Lord of the Dead. Keep an eye out for my next nonfiction book—The Evolution Conspiracy—due out spring 2009. I run Backyard Phenomena Investigations, a Michigan-based paranormal research group.

I did dun a bolding to make the science pop out a bit more betterer.

I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

Date: 2009/03/01 19:23:50, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,20:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

Curse you.

I clicked, I read, I felt the tard suck out my brains.

Date: 2009/03/01 21:28:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 01 2009,22:20)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 01 2009,20:07)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 01 2009,19:04)
I request assistance from aa (ATBC anon): Please restrain me from going there. Help!

I give the TARD away free until you're hooked. Then I makes a monies.

Perhaps I should mention her blog picture has her wearing an Indiana Jones style hat?

Go on, clicky clicky, addict.

The Pusher


Now I've got to deal with TARD and '60s flashbacks.

This is your brain on whatever...

Date: 2009/03/02 09:37:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 02 2009,00:12)
Okay, now your Tard is $5 a click:

You won't make any money if I OD.

Date: 2009/03/02 10:57:20, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 02 2009,11:50)
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 02 2009,01:25)
(Yes, he did make that little sailor in the boat impossible to find, but that's only because you're not supposed to touch it).

This must be a joke. At least it made me laugh. Oh, and let's not forget "No barbeque on these ribs, because God doesn't want us to be always tasting them."


Jesus' General is a parody, a very good one (IMHO).

Date: 2009/03/02 18:34:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 02 2009,19:13)
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 01 2009,21:09)
Daniel, may I ask you a question? Why would you choose xianity over the great spirit?


Is that: Jesus! as an expletive?

Date: 2009/03/02 19:41:05, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 02 2009,20:35)
Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 02 2009,16:34)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 02 2009,18:13)
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 01 2009,21:09)
Daniel, may I ask you a question? Why would you choose xianity over the great spirit?

Was that a swear word?  Or are you saying that Jesus is more real to you than the Great Spirit.  Personally, I think there's as much evidence for Cthulhu.

What about some of the stories of other "gods born of mortal women" and "gods that died and rose from the dead"?

Osiris comes to mind.

Mitra is another

Christianity is about the God/man Jesus and the redemption of man via the sacrificial love of God.  And yes, Jesus is real to me.  That's why I choose Christianity over the great spirit.

P.S. - it's not about evidence or stories.  I've experienced the reality of Christ - that's enough for me.

How big is god's penis?

Date: 2009/03/02 20:04:46, Link
Author: khan
Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 02 2009,20:47)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 02 2009,19:41)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 02 2009,20:35)
Christianity is about the God/man Jesus and the redemption of man via the sacrificial love of God.  And yes, Jesus is real to me.  That's why I choose Christianity over the great spirit.

P.S. - it's not about evidence or stories.  I've experienced the reality of Christ - that's enough for me.
How big is god's penis?[/quote]

Looking for a date there girl?


If he's interested, I'm sure he knows how to get in touch.

Date: 2009/03/02 20:19:27, Link
Author: khan
I actually went there; what a steaming heap of TARD.

Date: 2009/03/03 07:47:02, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 02 2009,22:53)
Aren't things Badanuff without Moose and Squirrel?

Boris, darling.

Date: 2009/03/03 16:19:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 03 2009,17:10)
Is O'Leary really that stupid? Did she really just write that?

Why yes. Yes she did.

This is the transcript of the interview I did with Alex Tsakiris at Skeptiko. It got a bit testy at times. Here’s a snatch on the subject of reincarnation.

uh, ...


"From ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties, and things that go TARD in the night, good doG deliver us."

Date: 2009/03/03 16:33:16, Link
Author: khan
Purple People Eater

Date: 2009/03/05 08:53:12, Link
Author: khan
Happy Orbit Around the Sun.

Date: 2009/03/06 14:56:35, Link
Author: khan
A great album, especially "Lehigh vs Hofstra", my alma mater.

Wasn't that Temple vs Hofstra?

Date: 2009/03/06 17:14:51, Link
Author: khan
All Science

Again, philosophy went bad when it decided to reject the light of God. The so called 18th century “Enlightenment” was really an “Endarkenment.”

It all boils down to God. One would do good to count how many times the word “light” appears in Scripture and how many times it is used in conjunction with the person or presence of God.

Date: 2009/03/06 20:26:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 06 2009,21:19)
Yes Daniel explain to us how Kangaroos made it onto the ARK?

And how the koalas made it to Australia along with the 100' eucalyptus trees (necessary for their survival).

Date: 2009/03/07 17:23:28, Link
Author: khan
I think I filled my creationist bingo card.

Date: 2009/03/07 19:46:03, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JLT @ Mar. 07 2009,20:40)
Is there anyonehere who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.

That must be one of the dumbest things I've read in a very long time. And I read UD regularly.

Date: 2009/03/08 16:34:46, Link
Author: khan
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 08 2009,17:11)
StephenB reveals the source of his "objective morals"
I was instructed from the outside by moral teachers, prompted from the inside by my conscience, and edified by personal experiences through interactions with other people.

And where was the objective moral law when people in the past behaved habitually in ways that we'd consider immoral now?
Obviously, it wasn’t being practiced. It was only through an appeal to objective morality that all these groups were liberated. In that past, those who were oppressed were told that the majority opinion was not on their side and that they did not deserve equality.

A master debater indeed!

That whole thread is a train wreck. Set the tard meters to minimum sensitivity

I am reading that in small doses; definitely a train wreck.

Date: 2009/03/09 17:37:53, Link
Author: khan
Special indeed.

Darwin first published in 1859, and ~250 years of slavery in the colonies/USA is his fault?

Date: 2009/03/09 17:42:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 09 2009,18:38)
...must not click... must not click... must study fungi, exam in the morning... must not


Use The Force Lou.

Date: 2009/03/10 09:47:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 10 2009,05:00)
“I just want some women to take care of my money.”

We all do, buddy. We all do.

Deregulation and privatization always work so well.

Date: 2009/03/10 15:17:38, Link
Author: khan
So, were humans once capable of communication with the animal kingdom in some ways that we no longer are? Seems likely, given our persistence at making animals, insects and the whole of life ‘talk’ in countless stories, movies and legends.

If we could talk to the animals, learn their languages
Maybe take an animal degree.
We'd study elephant and eagle, buffalo and beagle,
Alligator, guinea pig, and flea.

Date: 2009/03/10 16:54:32, Link
Author: khan
Where the kf defends selling your girls:


marriages over the ages in societies that were far more vulnerable than ours, were normally carefully arranged. Such systems may have defects, but hey developed for a reason: on average, they worked and helped families survive.

Scabby git.

Date: 2009/03/10 17:17:51, Link
Author: khan
I won't be bid and bargained for
Like beads at a Bizarre.

Date: 2009/03/10 18:09:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 10 2009,19:05)
Edit gives me:

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Been havin' that too.

Date: 2009/03/11 10:32:28, Link
Author: khan
So it's official: You're a smart ass.

Date: 2009/03/11 13:05:17, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 11 2009,12:11)
Agreed - Granny Tard is getting a hell of a beating and looking the clown she is.

I recall the phrase: "Mopped the floor with..."

Date: 2009/03/11 14:57:49, Link
Author: khan
I love the smell of fried creo brain in the morning.

Date: 2009/03/11 15:45:07, Link
Author: khan
Do you suppose there are PMs and emails begging for a return to the 'good old days' bannination?

Date: 2009/03/11 16:19:21, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 11 2009,17:09)
Seversky is giving DOL one hell oh a shoeing:

never bring a cabbage to a brainfight.

That's beautiful.

Date: 2009/03/11 16:30:41, Link
Author: khan
slavery is good

Or would you rather save your life by serving a person (which was not necessarily for life, but at least for a long time) and that person in return pays off your debt and gives you food, clothing, shelther, etc. And your master (if he followed God’s rule) would rule over you in a loving way, not as a whip-thrashing slave driver.

Exodus 21:20-21   If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

Date: 2009/03/11 17:52:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 11 2009,18:50)
There are no God neurons. There are God morons, however:

On page 273 of Denyse's book (with Mario Beauregard) we read, in a sidebar, "We hypothesized pulled out of our asses that the right MTC [right middle temporal cortex] was related to the subjective impression of contacting a spiritual reality."

Fixed that.

Date: 2009/03/12 15:02:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 12 2009,15:52)
Hi everyone, I'm back!

Did you miss me? Don't worry, you'll have time to reload.

My grand-father commited suicide last monday, so I had to go to the funeral and spend a few days with my mom in Perigueux.

While there I've visited the (nicest ever) gallo-roman museum of Vesunna, and have gone to Rocamadour for a few falconry shows. Impressive stuff. I'm thinking about going into this a bit.

So, anyway, I'm happy to be back!

Welcome back.

I missed you.

Date: 2009/03/12 16:47:14, Link
Author: khan

Hatchet Jack: I, Hatchet Jack, being of sound mind and broke legs, do leaveth my rifle to the next thing who finds it, Lord hope he be a white man. It is a good rifle, and kilt the bear that kilt me. Anyway, I am dead. Sincerley, Hatchet Jack.

Date: 2009/03/12 18:07:42, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 12 2009,19:04)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 11 2009,17:17)
I'll believe in any god you can provide evidence for

No you won't.

I have a standing offer to consider worshiping any god(s) that can heal me.

Date: 2009/03/12 19:42:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 12 2009,20:07)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 11 2009,22:26)
IOW if we didn't have a Bible how would we prove god existed as of now?

Do you really want to know?

If you really want to know if God exists, he'll reveal himself to you.  But (and this is the one that usually kills the deal) it has to be on his terms - not yours (he IS God after all).

It has nothing to do with the bible, or any church, or any book or TV show.  It has to do with humility.  It has to do with hunger (and not the physical kind).

If you really want to know God, you will.

Of course you can argue that this is all psychosomatic - that you can always believe anything if you want to bad enough.  But I promise you, the experiences you'll have with God will erase any doubts.  You just have to be willing.


Do you really want to know?

So what the fuck are 'his terms'?

It has nothing to do with the bible, or any church, or any book or TV show

It has to do with you with your imaginary friends not liking women or people actually thinking.

Date: 2009/03/12 20:01:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Wolfhound @ Mar. 12 2009,20:35)
OT (if that's possible at TBW):  Gave blood 2 hours ago.  Drove home.  Fed horses, fed and watered chickens, gathered eggs from said chickens, fed parrot, fed dogs, fed cat, drank 3 Smirnoff Ices.

Wheeeeeeeeee!   :p

My next blood donation will be #160, 20 gallons (yes I know they switched to liters long ago).

Date: 2009/03/12 20:57:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 12 2009,21:54)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 12 2009,20:07)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 11 2009,22:26)
IOW if we didn't have a Bible how would we prove god existed as of now?

Do you really want to know?

If you really want to know if God exists, he'll reveal himself to you.  But (and this is the one that usually kills the deal) it has to be on his terms - not yours (he IS God after all).

It has nothing to do with the bible, or any church, or any book or TV show.  It has to do with humility.  It has to do with hunger (and not the physical kind).

If you really want to know God, you will.

Of course you can argue that this is all psychosomatic - that you can always believe anything if you want to bad enough.  But I promise you, the experiences you'll have with God will erase any doubts.  You just have to be willing.


Do you really want to know?

You are welcome to display your ignorance of discuss science here, but you can proselytize elsewhere.

As if none of of us have ever heard the god shit previously.

Date: 2009/03/13 15:41:46, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 13 2009,14:33)
Quote (FrankH @ Mar. 13 2009,10:11)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,08:47)

I've got so much to learn.


You'd be surprised how many things that are fun are considered "bad parenting".

Like letting them play with frayed electrical wiring.

Swimming with Crocs and 'Gators.

Letting them puff on a cigar and drinking Johny Wlaker while watching the game with you.

Playing on the Interstate, with or without a vehicle.

Some many restrictions nowadays.  How can anyone have fun anymore?

No lie.

All the good stuff winds up on that list.

Mother's operating hypothesis on raising children, cats, dogs, and all other livestock: "I'd beat them if I thought it would do any good."

Date: 2009/03/13 20:04:38, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richard Simons @ Mar. 13 2009,20:39)
Quote (khan @ Mar. 12 2009,20:01)
My next blood donation will be #160, 20 gallons (yes I know they switched to liters long ago).

Impressive. I once grossed out my son and his friend by telling them I'd donated three buckets of blood, but these days I'm persona non grata with the Canadian vampires as I spent some time in the UK during the BSE flare-up.

The CBC just loves dull people, who have never been anywhere or done anything.

Date: 2009/03/14 18:14:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 14 2009,19:12)
There has certainly been some classic TARD lately over there, which really sux because I'M TRYING TO WRITE TWO DAMNED PAPERS HERE AND YOU BASTARDS ARE DISTRACTING ME WITH THE TARD!!!!!

I am so addicted.

Write your fucking papers.  The tard will always be here.

Date: 2009/03/14 20:05:19, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 14 2009,20:57)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 14 2009,20:52)
Lou - the secret is to work all this stuff into your paper. My prof is going to think I've lost my mind. :)

The case can certainly be made that Frost was off his nut for a while there, and since I've already introduced the initial early praise from Ezra Pound, that presents some opportunities...

Can you throw in Miniver Cheevy or Ethan Frome for some serious drinking?

Date: 2009/03/14 21:05:49, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2009/03/15 12:02:27, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 15 2009,09:20)
My first post as Reciprocating_Bill at UD has gone through after a long wait in the moderation queue. My second comment appeared immediately.

I therefore retract my "cowards" comment, above.

That's not how to do it.

You're supposed to edit it out and not mention it again.

Date: 2009/03/15 12:54:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 15 2009,13:16)
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 15 2009,12:58)
That's beautiful! *Wipes away tear*

BTW I forgot to apologize to Auden (another crazy man) for my previous little blat. In Yeats mode now:
The quarrel of the weasels in the eaves,
The full round moon-face and the promised lie,
And the loud song of the ever-slanging O'Learys,
Had hid away earth's Evo-lullaby.
And then Barry came with those red mournful quips,
And with D'OL came the whole of the 'Tute's fears,
And all the sorrows of her labouring snips,
And all the burden of UD's myriad peers.
And now the blog-mods warring like thieves,
The Friday meltdown, the tard resupply,
And the loud ripostes of the unquiet steves
Have awakened the earth's Evo-lullaby.  

A thing of beauty, Kristine.

Might as well tap Frost, as long as I'm not doing my homework...
Stopping By TARDs On A Twitter Evening

Whose blog this is I think I know.
The IDiot is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his nose fill up with blow.
My little sock doth think them queer
To talk without cerebrum near
Between O'Dreary 'n Barry A
The DaveScot ban is getting near.
He gives his manly balls a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound's the bleat
Of Kairosfocus, who's a flake.
The TARD is lovely, dark and sweet.
But I have TARD here to repeat,
And miles to go before I tweet,
And miles to go before I tweet.

Applause, applause.

Date: 2009/03/15 19:25:23, Link
Author: khan
Pop culture reference from the '60s:

"Bannin', on a Sunday afternoon..."

Date: 2009/03/15 19:42:55, Link
Author: khan
Indonesia's psychedelic fish

A funky, psychedelic fish that bounces on the ocean floor like a rubber ball has been classified as a new species, a scientific journal reported.

Date: 2009/03/15 21:07:05, Link
Author: khan
I tried to edit a PM before sending and the send button was greyed out.

Date: 2009/03/15 22:02:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 15 2009,22:56)
Gil false dichotomises:

15 March 2009
Evidence Against Chance and Necessity (Also Known As Darwinism) is Evidence for Design

Logicians, are false dichotomy, artificial bifurcation and law of the excluded middle the same thing?

Has anyone every discerned what they mean by 'chance and necessity' ?

Date: 2009/03/17 09:38:04, Link
Author: khan
That's the gonzo type of secretary that every control-freak office bully diva thinks that she wants, until she finds out that said secretary deliberately "screws up" just to watch Mount Perfectionistic erupt about his petty infranction right in front of the director, so that diva gets written up. ;) Then gonzo secretary writes a book.

Unlike me. I'm the "assassin." I make nice and refuse to further confront (because when confronted Ms. Two-Face lied about it anyway) the back-stabbing twit until she blabs to the wrong person. Then I say to said Wrong Person, "There's some rumor going around about me and I don't know where it started!" and cry. Wrong Person talks to higher-ups about Bitch-o backstabber (who thinks she should be a higher-up), who suddenly becomes very nice, at least for a while (because she's really as fucking stupid as I only pretend to be).

Jesus, I can't believe the astonishing waste of energy in mind-games at the office. :D

My blood pressure did wonderful things after I retired.

Date: 2009/03/17 11:31:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (deadman_932 @ Mar. 17 2009,12:15)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 04 2009,18:35)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 03 2009,17:07)
But, since you HAVE read the papers, I'd like you to talk to me about why the common pathway of e. Coli aminosynthesis involves ASDH in three separate metabolic routes?

I'm guessing whole genome duplication (twice) produced the three pathways which later differentiated into three separate routes.

Am I close?

(I cheated a bit - I read the abstracts)

I've just printed out the two papers you linked to and I'll get back to you when I'm done with them.

And finally,above, your claim that you'd read them and get back to the topic (which was a month or more ago). Now, of COURSE I know exactly what your next move is, will not accept that these papers represent widespread scientific acceptance of an evolutionary pathway for aminosynthesis between differing species -- even though you just posted that such criteria were in fact the only thing that counts.

No, no, what you'll now say is that it doesn't satisfy Denial Smith and that you are "really" the arbiter of what is acceptable levels of pathetic detail.

You'll just say "Yeah, well, where did THAT come from" and pretend that you've "won" something -- even as you admit that you can't even make first steps towards a body of evidence concerning any of your mythic, mystical creation stories.

It's not that I really give a shit about what YOU personally think, DannyGoy, I just stop in from time to time to poke at the Denial Pinata and see what tard drops out.

Denial has his own thread.

Date: 2009/03/17 15:49:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (deadman_932 @ Mar. 17 2009,12:55)
J-Dog: May the beer flow like water for you today.
Khan: Er,...thanks for the kindly boot to the ass. You're among my favorite posters to read, so I'm glad it was you:)

You're welcome.

Date: 2009/03/17 16:48:00, Link
Author: khan
The blue jay is wooing his mate by demonstrating his ability to get me to provide peanuts.

He perches near the patio and makes blue jay love sounds, then does blue jay scream, I toss out several peanuts, they both swoop in and grab one, fly away to whack them open, and when finished eating again make blue jay love sounds.

Date: 2009/03/17 21:46:52, Link
Author: khan
crank convergence

Date: 2009/03/18 16:46:21, Link
Author: khan
Page problem?

Date: 2009/03/18 17:36:01, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 18 2009,14:14)
Somehow, FTK got her own newspaper column and uses it to ponder how wonderful it would be if America were run by simple country folk.

But at least we now know that if Palin had been elected in November, she would have saved everyone's 401K's last year.

It's also fascinating that the writer never once mentions McCain.

Especially since the crash started in Sep 08.

Date: 2009/03/19 11:41:33, Link
Author: khan
I was a member of MENSA for a decade or so.  A good way of socializing when new to an area.  Most of the folks were OK. I stopped renewing membership as I wasn't going to any events.  Now and then the send me a letter asking me to renew.

Date: 2009/03/19 15:17:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 19 2009,16:04)
Post break up stress. Midterm stress. Homelessness stress. I'll be back.

Been there, done some of that, best wishes.

Date: 2009/03/19 18:01:29, Link
Author: khan
They do seem to be spiraling down the rabbit hole of TARD.

I mean: Dave was too rational?

Date: 2009/03/20 10:44:57, Link
Author: khan
...Creation, can have been given “equal investigation and in-depth study” by the Pontifical Academy if there is not one expert on Creation Science included among its members!

I notice no names are put forth.

Date: 2009/03/22 08:35:34, Link
Author: khan
Congratulations on another journey around the sun.

Date: 2009/03/22 19:49:36, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 22 2009,20:41)
Hazel: “Stephen, that Jesus raised himself from the dead is a matter of faith: it is true to the believer but false to those who aren’t of that faith. Just because that claim is made doesn’t prove that Christianity is the one true sacred tradition, and all the rest is false.”

Hazel, Christ’s resurrection is a matter of recorded history. The central question is and always has been, “Who moved the stone?” If he had not risen, his enemies would have provided the dead body as evidence that the apostles were lying. These were the same people that had been witnessing miracles all along and attributing them to the Devil. Notice that they didn’t deny the fact of the miracles, only their source. That, by the way, is why they sent Roman soldiers to guard his tomb. Christ had promised to raise himself from the dead, and they had hoped to put a stop to it. In that respect, Christ’s enemies had more faith than did his apostles.

In any case, you and others have shifted the ground on my original point. It was not my intent to do Christian (or Catholic) apologetics; I was simply responding to anti-Catholic arguments which were founded on erroneous assumptions, nothing more. I am not pro- proselytizing; I am simply correcting errors. One blogger misunderstood Catholicism and evolution and suggested that the Catholic Church was corrupt. I tried to put that point in context by showing that the Bible cannot logically be the sole rule of faith. In responding to that point, another blogger changed the subject to comparative religion. So, I found it necessary to modify the argument to address his changing context.

Now, you have introduced still another element, namely the error of reducing the facts of history to an affirmation of religious dogma. In fact, the Judeo/Christian religion is founded on history; all other religions are founded on self-proclamation. You error is in believing that Christ’s resurrection is solely a matter a faith. While you assert that “there are no tools to decide on such matters,” you fail to take account of the best tool of all—-reason itself. Also, you labor under the assumption that all articles of faith are solely matters of faith and nothing more. It many cases, they are; in many other cases they are not. Christ’s tomb was occupied for three days and then it was empty. It is still empty. That is a fact.

You would be surprised at how many skeptics will deny even the most obvious facts. Some even claim that Christ did not exist in time/space/history. Others simply hope that is the case, which explains why they changed the calendar references from B.C.—A.D. to B.C.E and A.C.E. Rewriting history is one of the skeptics’ favorite activities.

I am well aware that many who embrace other belief systems do indeed reject any possibility that they could be wrong. That is irrational. We all have doubts. The difference is this: Only psychotics are immune from doubt just as only neurotics are immune from belief. That is why all arguments for and against every belief system ought to be subjected to the test of reason. There is no better tool that than. You assume that since some zealots exhibit unjustified certitude there can be no such thing as justified certitude. That assumption is erroneous.


That is painful to the reader and should be to the writer.

Date: 2009/03/23 18:12:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 23 2009,19:01)
No sooner do I have an unkind thought for the Attack Gerbil than he squeaks!

But not at poor old Doc Bill!  No, Gerb goes after Genie Scott!

Run, Genie, run!

The Gerb threatens, "Eugenie Scott better reign in her staff members ..."

Yeah, Genie, reign in those staff members.

No, hang on a moment, shouldn't the Gerb, aka Attorney for Grammar, have said reign OVER those staff members?

Or maybe Mr. Nits for Wits meant RAIN ON those staff member's (parade), one assumes.

Or did our Minister of Gerbil Propaganda mean REIN in those staff members?

We may never know.  We may never, no.  We may nevah, Noah!

how long is a reign in Spain? or

how long is a rein in Spain? or

how long is a rain in Spain?

Oh, and Casey, TITS or GTFO.

And these are their 'intellectuals'?

Date: 2009/03/23 20:07:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (jeffox @ Mar. 23 2009,20:55)
oh Danny boy digs his hole ever deeper:

I find the double standard very telling.

Kettle, meet pot.

Keep up the tard-flow, Daniel, you're very good at it.   :)


Date: 2009/03/24 17:59:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 24 2009,18:49)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 24 2009,17:27)
I can't think of anything I said that comes close to Joseph.  

I called Dembski an asshole once, for putting side-by-side pictures of Jerry Coyne and Herman Munster.  I should have called him a child, I guess.  

I helped expose Galapagos Finch.  I'm pretty proud of that.  I might have been a bit rude there but more mature than Gloppy by a long shot.  

I also focused on Dembski's unacknowledged appropriation of the Harvard cell animation video.

Clive, if you're listening, come here (or to the appropriate one of my blogs) and tell me what specifically compares to Joseph?  

Verily verily, it's not the tone, it's the target.

I wouldn't buy into this game at all. Nothing you have said requires retraction.

I've several times expressed my disgust regarding BarryA's use of school shootings for rhetorical purposes, initiated the BlogCzar thread to further UD's self-ridicule, critiqued and panned Denyse's awful book in an lengthy review, and coined the terms "Nixplanatory Filter" and "Notpology" as forms of parody and scorn of UD's and WAD's behavior. I am certainly unnotpologetic about any of these civic minded contributions.

Two facts remain:

- BarryA enunciated an invitation that explicitly states that none of this should matter,

- Joe G. has surpassed all of the above in his intimation of physical threats. In a world in which the above does matter, Joe should be out of there, but he's not.

UD: same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was...

Ignorant, demented, fuckwitted liars for jebus.

I don't recall any of this crap from Sunday school.

Date: 2009/03/24 19:30:02, Link
Author: khan
Does anyone else just love bean thread noodles mixed with almost anything?

Date: 2009/03/24 20:41:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 24 2009,21:26)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 25 2009,01:59)
[SNIP]....put me on double-secret probation.


You reviewed "On Bullshit"? Good essay, "On Truth" was good too.

I think it's abundantly obvious where the bullshit floweth from. IDCists aren't interested in what's going on. They will say anything to maintain their delusions.


I will state that what religious training/upbringing I had (Episcopalian) did teach that 'witnessing' meant behaving in such a manner that 'others would approach you'.

I was never taught to be an asshole for god.

My religious and other beliefs have led me to totally dismiss the lying fuckwits.

Date: 2009/03/25 10:14:11, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,11:12)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 25 2009,10:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 25 2009,17:55)
He's digging in for an embattled defense..

OK, do we send him guns or butter?

Butter. being a longer word, it has more CSI and so is more useful.

The very best butter?

Date: 2009/03/25 13:19:18, Link
Author: khan
What happens if the cake is left out in the rain?

Date: 2009/03/25 21:38:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 25 2009,22:36)
StevenB has no idea what he is talking about:  
Timeaus: I agree with your assessment. It appears that this Pope has already begun to detach himself from his advisors and their dubious orientation to the problem of evolution. It was he, after all, who coined the phrase “the intelligent project,” declared that Darwinism has not been proven, and fired Jerry Coyne, radical Darwinist and Vatican astronomer, all of which sent shock waves throughout the Catholic TE academy. I think he understands the importance of this issue, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he weighs in on it again in a year or two.

First, Jerry Coyne is a well-known evolutionary biologist at U. Chicago.  The Vatican Astronomer Observatory head was Fr. George Coyne.  

Second, Fr. Coyne wasn't fired.  At 73 years of age, he had been asking his superiors to find a new director and they finally did just that.

That is some fucking serious tard.

Date: 2009/03/25 22:31:41, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2009/03/25 22:41:25, Link
Author: khan


Someone else can post?

Date: 2009/03/27 09:33:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,01:55)
But... but... Joe! I'm confused! What about the info added by the frosting?

If dingleberry doesn't make my comments appear, I might bake a cake, write down all the instructions, get my bingo club together, go out to his place and ring his doorbell, and throw the damn cake along with the stupid "information" (after I tear it into bits) at his head.

Theme song for UD (youtube)

Date: 2009/03/28 16:22:42, Link
Author: khan
Presently roasting turkey legs on a bed of onions; have to smell it for an hour or so before eating.

Date: 2009/03/30 14:03:44, Link
Author: khan
Many More!

Date: 2009/03/30 16:41:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 30 2009,17:25)
Censor Clive rejects common descent, dunno what a designer would do:


Clive Hayden


4:16 pm

I reject common descent. Therefore the Designer isn’t denied his design in light of it. And I’m really skeptical of what we should “expect” from the Designer, as far as knowing what he would or wouldn’t do, which is what you’re implying, even though you say you’re not implying it. I’m not sure what you mean about literally millions of possible design schemes that do not produce the appearance of common descent, gradual change, and consistent phylogenies. What are just a few of these literal millions? Do you mean a design appearance that doesn’t show common descent? I think that’s what we have. Do you mean a design that doesn’t show gradual evolution? That’s exactly what we have too. Again, we cannot get into the motives of the Designer, which is what you do, even though you say you don’t. And again, by your scheme, the conclusion that there is no Designer would be wrong, even though he tried to hide himself.

The Designer™ does, of course, have a penis.

Date: 2009/03/31 11:03:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 31 2009,11:53)
Woah! new Tardmine.

When I clicked it, this came up from Firefox:

This site has a poor reputation.

Trustworthiness Very poor
Vendor reliability                Very poor
Privacy                       Very poor

Date: 2009/04/01 18:02:38, Link
Author: khan
Quote (carlsonjok @ April 01 2009,18:46)
Tarden Chatterbox! Paging Tarden Chatterbox!  All those marketing surveys you fill out have finally paid off.

I have learned many things from this site.

Date: 2009/04/01 18:22:31, Link
Author: khan
I can haz new page?

Date: 2009/04/03 08:38:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ April 03 2009,04:24)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 03 2009,03:15)
I would say the inmates have taken over the asylum but I think we're beyond that now.

General Relativity now comes under the harsh UD spotlight

Most likely it is spreading from Conservapedia.

I actually read that; how do I get my brain cells back?

Date: 2009/04/03 18:39:33, Link
Author: khan
Another hawk kill of a dove, 3 feet from the bird feeder.

Date: 2009/04/03 21:27:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 03 2009,22:22)
Quote (khan @ April 03 2009,18:39)
Another hawk kill of a dove, 3 feet from the bird feeder.

Well, you know, that's why they call it a "bird feeder"  ;)

Buteo buffet

Date: 2009/04/04 08:52:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (KCdgw @ April 04 2009,08:35)
Remind me why Denyse O'leary is called a "journalist":

Tribune7, H.G. Wells is probably “most famous for his radio drama, War of the Worlds.” Maybe he, you, and I would all wish it were otherwise, but it is a fact. I didn’t invent it, honest.

Sorry if this has been pointed out before, but I think it undescores just how incompetent she is.  Methinks she assumes if Microsoft Word doesn't catch the error, then she got it right.


This is an interesting trait of the self-assured ignoramus.

(In her mind) she can not make a mistake. Apparently someone has cast doubt upon something she has written, and her response is to repeat it and state:"it is a fact".

It never even occurs to her to look it up.

Date: 2009/04/04 19:26:26, Link
Author: khan
Brief pause for shameless self promotion:

Gave blood this morning and it was #160; 20 gallons.

Yes, I'm announcing it all over the web.

Date: 2009/04/04 20:37:56, Link
Author: khan
I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade.

Date: 2009/04/05 18:09:51, Link
Author: khan
Sirens and cable alerts: tornado watches/warnings for next 5 hours.

Date: 2009/04/06 17:57:22, Link
Author: khan
I made a weird salad*:
A bag of greens ( baby romaine, tango, radicchio)
Pouch of tuna
Soba boiled w/ olive oil, oregano, garlic
Drained can of diced tomatoes
Sliced fresh mushrooms
Soy sauce, balsamic vinegar, touch of EVOO

It's very good!

*those are the only salad ingredients I had in the house

I tend toward 'stream of consciousness' cooking.

Date: 2009/04/06 18:48:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 06 2009,19:45)
Quote (khan @ April 06 2009,17:57)
I made a weird salad*:
A bag of greens ( baby romaine, tango, radicchio)
Pouch of tuna
Soba boiled w/ olive oil, oregano, garlic
Drained can of diced tomatoes
Sliced fresh mushrooms
Soy sauce, balsamic vinegar, touch of EVOO

It's very good!

*those are the only salad ingredients I had in the house

I tend toward 'stream of consciousness' cooking.

hey khan the poke  is up.  also young turkey mustards and rumex shoots.  it is defintely salad time.

i'll be dining on some tonight, along with the morels we found yesterday.  and some fresh wild asparagus from the road side.

yayyyyy spring!!!!!!!eleven!!!!

"This is the dawning of the age of asparagus."

Date: 2009/04/07 12:15:59, Link
Author: khan
9.  Immediately after Dembski wins a Nobel Prize, and Denyse a Pullitzer.

I don't want to live in that universe.

Date: 2009/04/07 12:30:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ April 07 2009,13:20)
Quote (Amadan @ April 07 2009,09:38)
Ben Stein returns to the Hallowed Halls of the Academic Elite.

Or will the evil Dawkins make those knock-kneed Perfessers drop him??

Won't anyone think of those poor Christian morons children?

Edit: Grammur. Ure wurth it.

Nice Catch & Link!  

The comments are GREAT!  Especially the arguing about whether or not Stein being Jewish is appropriate to "send off" the Christian Kids in the world for a Christian School's Gradtardation.

Next WeeK:  How Many Angels Can Dance On The Head Of A Pin?

Stein joins a list of well-known commencement speakers at Liberty that include martial arts star Chuck Norris, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and Sen. John McCain.

How many angels can dance on a pinhead?

Date: 2009/04/07 13:06:36, Link
Author: khan
Posted by ( bigjimm ) on April 07, 2009 at 6:04 am

I think this is a very telling discussion. So what will the good christians have to do after he speaks, cleanse the lectern?
Report Inappropriate Comment

I took that statement as mocking the pure xians.

Date: 2009/04/07 13:28:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ April 07 2009,14:22)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,April 07 2009,11:11)
Frankly, I fear for the man. He could seriously be putting himself in danger from his "friends."

kristine, please....  now is no time to be sweet

i hope they feed him to the wolves.  

'e wants it, 'e gits it.

I wouldn't regard "Antiscience wacko beaten to death by antiscience, antisemitic wackos" as any sort of victory.

Maybe if it just crossed his mind that it was a possibility...

Date: 2009/04/08 17:40:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Zachriel @ April 08 2009,18:34)
tribune7: If I think something is true it’s not up to me to disprove it. If you think something is false, however, you have an obligation to show why, and if you can’t well. . .

And if no one bothers to disabuse you of the notion, then you can believe anything! Anything at all!! And that is your 'argument'.

Good grief!

If I pull some idea out of my ass, it's true, unless someone takes the effort to 'disprove' it?  And I am, of course, free to ignore all the evidence because it DOES disprove my ass-ertation?

Date: 2009/04/08 18:06:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ April 08 2009,19:03)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 05 2009,11:09)

In your most recent drive-by, you seem to have missed something.

Here's the question again. Thanks in advance for giving it your best effort.
Daniel, if our puny thought processes and designs had absolutely no resemblance to those of the ineffable telic entity, could you recognize the designs of the entity? Absent the auxiliary hypothesis that your entity resembles you, what sort of evidence would be needed to infer design?

The quality I see in nature that is a direct correlation to a characteristic I "see" in God is this:  Nature seems to be constructed in such a way that a designer would literally have to be able to consider every option before settling on the combination that best suited his plan.  This is consistent with the quality "omniscience" - which is a characteristic of the God I believe in.

I base this on the study of my biochemistry textbook.  The phrase I've most often uttered while reading it is far and away: "My God... you thought of everything!".

So the quality is the unfathomable depth of interdependency within and between the functional systems of life and non-life.

Man's designs are often stand-alone designs - requiring zero to relatively few inputs from outside sources.  God's designs are not like that.  The things God has made on this planet seem to be tied to everything else - somehow.  Our bodies are made from particles emitted from stars that exploded billions of years ago.  We are tied to the air, the land, the sea, the sun, the moon, and the stars.  We are tied to the plants, the animals, and the micro-organisms of this planet as well.

Man cannot make something so interdependent.

You are seriously into blithering.

Date: 2009/04/08 18:12:09, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ April 08 2009,19:09)
Quote (JAM @ April 05 2009,12:10)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 25 2009,17:07)
The truth is, there'd be little discussion of whether or not natural forces created the face - especially if it turned out to be fairly detailed.  I'm willing to bet that the scientific community would readily accept design and launch right into a search for clues as to the designer's identity.

But Dan, the ID community (including you) has accepted design for biology. Not a single one of them (including you) has "launched right into a search for clues as to the designer's identity."

Why is that? Why don't any of them DO science?

And that's my point.  

That ID isn't science?

I'm searching for and learning about my designer's "identity" (his defining characteristics) every day.  I've learned as much or more about the reality of God from my biochemistry book than I did from years of sermons.  I'm learning that God has invested a lot of thought and energy into life on this planet (relatively speaking of course), which makes me think that he was (and probably is) incredibly invested and involved in this thing we call "life" and that he takes all of this very seriously.

And why do you assume god has a penis?

Date: 2009/04/08 18:26:57, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Daniel Smith @ April 08 2009,19:09)
Quote (JAM @ April 05 2009,12:10)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 25 2009,17:07)
The truth is, there'd be little discussion of whether or not natural forces created the face - especially if it turned out to be fairly detailed.  I'm willing to bet that the scientific community would readily accept design and launch right into a search for clues as to the designer's identity.

But Dan, the ID community (including you) has accepted design for biology. Not a single one of them (including you) has "launched right into a search for clues as to the designer's identity."

Why is that? Why don't any of them DO science?

And that's my point.  

That ID isn't science?

I'm searching for and learning about my designer's "identity" (his defining characteristics) every day.  I've learned as much or more about the reality of God from my biochemistry book than I did from years of sermons.  I'm learning that God has invested a lot of thought and energy into life on this planet (relatively speaking of course), which makes me think that he was (and probably is) incredibly invested and involved in this thing we call "life" and that he takes all of this very seriously.

Denial: "Why are you trying to impinge reality upon my fantasies?

Date: 2009/04/10 08:59:48, Link
Author: khan
"I am," I said
To no one there
An no one heard at all
Not even the chair

Date: 2009/04/10 09:24:49, Link
Author: khan

Then just wait 29 years and set them off.  (Use very good batteries!)  Or maybe it was done by maintenance crews.  "Since the new landlord had just taken over in late July of 2001, it wouldn't seem at all unusual to see some refurbishing, especially as unobtrusive as swapping out [1,800,000] old ceiling tiles."

The actual detonation is triggered from a " distance from the Twin Towers via both high-power directional wireless and an encrypted ethernet channel."  

Not explained: what were the airliners for?

And this makes sense to these retards!!!

There were no airliners, those were holograms.

(Yes, that's one of the 'explanations')

Date: 2009/04/10 11:28:41, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2009/04/10 17:44:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 10 2009,18:39)
Saw this piece of crap today. (...for free, no money to the TARDS, mwaahahahahhahaha, suck it.)

It's every bit as chock full of deliberate lies that it is purported to be.

Not misunderstandings, not misguided foolishness, but flat out deliberate lies and distortions. Everyone involved in the production of that piece of garbage propaganda hit job is a disgusting, lying sack of shit, a vomit inducing sleazebag with a dearth of integrity so complete it begs for comparisons to a black hole.

Mos UD

A wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Date: 2009/04/11 10:02:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2009,00:41)
Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

'Tis also less expensive.

Date: 2009/04/15 17:31:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dnmlthr @ April 15 2009,18:27)
Status update, in case you were wondering.

Homelessness: still on a variety of couches, but it looks like there's a real possibility of at least a stable year on the horizon.

School: All midterms done. Couple of papers done. Still fairly much to do, but definitely less than previously.

Work: Got a fairly large order for the summer and a job willing to fill up the rest. Looks like 2010 will be student loan free as well.

All in all things are looking a lot better than a month ago.

Good to hear.

Date: 2009/04/17 10:13:45, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 17 2009,10:22)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 17 2009,01:06)
Susan Boyle stunned me. Amazing!

Incidently, my new album comes out in Japan on Wednesday 21st, in Europe on April 29th and 30th, and in the US on May 19th.

Some guy already put the whole promo album on youtube, if anyone wants to take a listen...

Just search "score to a new beginning". There's even a playlist...


What he said.

Date: 2009/04/17 12:37:29, Link
Author: khan

Date: 2009/04/20 17:36:44, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2009,18:28)
Sorry to bump this thread and post the same thing I posted on the BW, but I just got to the fact that the video is very relevant regarding Expelled...

Richard Dawkins' talk at the American Atheists 09 convention.

Professor Dawkins

(And yes, I do post Dawkins' videos rather instinctively, within minutes of having started watching them, because, let's face it, the guy is brilliant!)

Edit: changed "fascinating" to "brilliant" as not to confuse the unsuspecting lurker. I DO NOT have a Dawkins altar in my bedroom...

It's in the living room... :p

What rituals do you perform? :)

Date: 2009/04/21 14:47:53, Link
Author: khan
Happy ERV day 2009!

Date: 2009/04/21 15:42:34, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 21 2009,16:08)
Quote (JohnW @ April 21 2009,15:53)
Tribune7 went to a much more exciting high school than most of us:
I grew up attending American schools and was pounded with evolutionary (and Freudian and various pop-psych) dogma with nary a nod towards any sort of respect for religious tradition.

And this created an environment that led to massive drug abuse, suicides, loveless sex and a generally nihilistic atmosphere that eventually even resulted in murder.

I’m convinced that starting the day with a quick voluntary prayer and maybe hearing a little scripture would have gone long way to making things a bit more pleasant.

We just snuck off to the pub at lunchtime, and occasionally got hold of some wacky baccy.  Maybe if we'd been taught more Darwin, there would have been more shagging and shooting.

Also, I'm curious as to how the teaching of evolution prevented T7 from starting his day with a quick voluntary prayer.  Maybe he was too stoned.

Interesting that "loveless sex" is seen as a problem.

As long as it's voluntary, what's the problem?

Date: 2009/04/24 17:33:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 24 2009,17:13)
When Barry started talking about C.S. Lewis and Tao, I wondered WTF?  Lewis is about as far as any Tao I've ever heard of as JoeG and clear thinking.  A little Googling cleared things up:
C.S. Lewis: Natural Law, the Law in our Hearts.    
In Abolition [of Man] he uses “the Tao” as shorthand for Natural Law or First Principle. This word choice is perhaps unfortunate. It is hard to believe that Lewis read, received (to use his own language) and savored the Tao Te Ching, Taoism’s scripture, and concluded that “Tao” is the most accurate and succinct term for the moral law. Although the Tao is finally ineffable, according to the Tao Te Ching, it is best described as ‘‘the Flow,’’ ‘‘the way things change,” “the Life” or “the Source.” To follow the Tao is indeed to live morally, for it requires respecting the lowly and avoiding oppression and pride. However, the Tao ultimately accepts the status quo, whether good or evil. Lewis might have done better to stay with the term moral law, Natural Law or, if he preferred Chinese thought, “the Will of Heaven.” (Confucianism occasionally does use “the Tao” in the narrower sense of “the Will of Heaven”; however, this is not the word’s primary meaning in Taoism.)
In other words, nothing to get excited about, just more word salad from Lewis.  Worst. Philosopher. Ever.

What little I have read of Lewis makes me agree with you.  
I do rather like Tao.

Date: 2009/04/26 11:18:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 26 2009,09:57)
Quote (Zachriel @ April 26 2009,07:51)
Fun with BIG numbers!

William Dembski: Public Service: Visualizing a Trillion

Trillions are much in the news lately regarding the economy. Such large numbers also come up in the small probability arguments inherent in design inferences (small probabilities are reciprocals of large numbers).

And that is only about one hundredth of the number of bacteria in the average human gut, or one hundred billionth of the number of bacteria in humanity's collective gut, which is only a fraction of the number of symbiotes in the guts of termites or cows.

Would I be right in thinking that wMad took these pictures from off the web somewhere without attribution?

It does look familiar.

Date: 2009/04/26 12:14:26, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 26 2009,13:12)
We're about in the peak period for morels here. If we get the predicted rain tonight, there should be a good crop tomorrow as well!

Here's the haul from this morning's expedition.

Food porn.

How do you prepare them?

Date: 2009/04/26 16:49:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dhogaza @ April 26 2009,17:38)
Guess which Expelled "victim" of "Darwinist authoritarianism" is seeking additional martyrdom by becoming a vocal climate science denialist?

Serious fucking stupid.

Date: 2009/04/27 12:23:38, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 27 2009,00:43)
Billy D:

Can You Say “Ad Hominem,” “Politicization,” and “Wishful Speculation”? — Dawkins addresses American Atheists 09
William Dembski
I had meant to post this sooner, but had too much on my plate:

..but it wasn't from the Baylor cafeteria, was it?

Interesting that the first comment is a slightly veiled threat to Dawkins.

This guy in making a name for himself is bound to tick off somebody who doesn’t think that “turn the other cheek” applies when defending God.

Date: 2009/04/27 12:36:58, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,13:24)
Denyse the environmentalist:

How Darwin Worship Helps Animal Extinction

Is she really this stupid?

If I die tonight, the most urgent thing I want to say is this: Putting animals on the same plane as humans not only disses humans but dooms animals.

Date: 2009/04/27 13:16:56, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,14:08)
Quote (khan @ April 27 2009,10:36)
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,13:24)
Denyse the environmentalist:

How Darwin Worship Helps Animal Extinction

Is she really this stupid?
If I die tonight, the most urgent thing I want to say is this: Putting animals on the same plane as humans not only disses humans but dooms animals.

Actually, 'plane' is the right spelling.  'Plain' would be used only if she were referring to a flat geographical feature.

Then I apologize.

Date: 2009/04/28 09:16:06, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 28 2009,00:55)
Quote (khan @ April 27 2009,13:16)
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,14:08)
Quote (khan @ April 27 2009,10:36)
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,13:24)
Denyse the environmentalist:

How Darwin Worship Helps Animal Extinction

Is she really this stupid?
If I die tonight, the most urgent thing I want to say is this: Putting animals on the same plane as humans not only disses humans but dooms animals.

Actually, 'plane' is the right spelling.  'Plain' would be used only if she were referring to a flat geographical feature.

Then I apologize.

but the fact remains that yes it really is that stupid

I never did figure out what her point was.

Date: 2009/04/28 15:19:54, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lowell @ April 28 2009,16:12)
Uoflcard inches his way toward manifest destiny:
When Native Americans came to this land, they exterminated many magestic species, like the Wooly Mammoth. They did not exert loving stewardship.

You know what comes next, right? Because Native Americans "did not exert loving stewardship," they deserved to have their land taken from them by force, deceit, whatever means necessary. That train ain't never late.

Don't these folks have spell-checkers?

Date: 2009/04/29 11:39:02, Link
Author: khan
The asparagus has arrived at the farmers' market.  For lunch I will saute it in some ghee.

Date: 2009/04/30 17:40:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 30 2009,18:38)
Quote (keiths @ April 30 2009,18:22)
If I claim that the Rapture will happen at 14:29 UTC, and that I will disappear from the face of the earth at that time, you can place me on a scale and measure the (non)reduction in mass that occurs at 14:29 UTC.

Has anyone volunteered to be weighed while dying?

I have a vague memory of claims being made that 'something measurable (by weight)' left bodies upon death.

Date: 2009/05/01 10:01:54, Link
Author: khan
Today Lou
is forty-two

Date: 2009/05/08 16:00:48, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 08 2009,16:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2009,14:26)
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 08 2009,13:16)
Quote (Joy @ May 07 2009,23:21)
Thanks, Richard. One question - does this Erasmus fellow speak English? I find it very hard to follow his gist...

...and I don't know what anyone but Lou really looks like (if his current pic is any help, sort of cute), so I can't say who I'd rather make out with. I'm an eye person, if that helps. Don't care what color.

Thank you, Joy. Very kind of you to say so.

I'm tempted to award you a PotW just for that.

Seconded, you handsome devil!

You can be such a charmer, Rich! :)

Do we have a consensus?

Date: 2009/05/09 16:54:59, Link
Author: khan
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 09 2009,17:51)
Reading StephenB softens your brain.  It's got me thinking of this:    
How much cause
would an uncaused cause
if an uncaused could
cause cause.
I've going to lie down now.


Date: 2009/05/09 17:49:03, Link
Author: khan
Will add that I have no credentials in biology, but can easily see that creationist shit is 'not even wrong'.

Date: 2009/05/11 10:41:32, Link
Author: khan
CRACKED discovers Conservapedia

Date: 2009/05/11 14:06:13, Link
Author: khan
I've seen a blue heron  couple times overhead.  Today I saw two bumblebees (I think they were having a property dispute).

Date: 2009/05/12 10:29:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ May 12 2009,10:53)
Quote (huwp @ May 12 2009,15:03)

Anyway, I've just remembered why you should never make jokes about chemists - you just get a rude retort.


Excellent work. Abusing chemists does occasionally indeed result in unpleasant reactions.


But are you part of the solution?

Date: 2009/05/12 15:47:41, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 12 2009,16:42)
We have oodles of turkey vultures around. This one was kind enough to fly over the house a little bit ago:

I see them now and then.

Date: 2009/05/12 16:15:22, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 12 2009,17:03)
Losing patience with StephenB.

Haven't seen that in a while.

Date: 2009/05/12 16:29:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 12 2009,17:21)
Quote (ERV @ May 12 2009,16:58)
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 12 2009,15:44)
Meanwhile, I was out and about after my 112 final today and bumped into my prof who was coming into a store as I was going out. He stopped me to let me know I'd gotten an A on the final exam.


Working in TARD mines is good for your biology grades.

It strengthens the haunches.

Not good for the blood pressure though, I suspect. :)

I'm looking forward to botany and zoology and ecology, where I can spend a semester each on one subject. Bio 112 is like this huge whirlwind, covering so much ground it makes my head swim.

The final wasn't even cumulative, and it covered mosses, ferns, gymnosperms, angiosperms, ecology, and Tragedy of the Commons.

I need some alcohol tonight to unwind, for sure. Who's buying?

What do you want?

I recall liking peach brandy.

Date: 2009/05/13 11:37:43, Link
Author: khan
A young one?

Date: 2009/05/19 15:06:23, Link
Author: khan
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ May 19 2009,15:41)
scot.david - surely not:  
Excuse me Dr. Dembski? Did you just accuse scientists using manufactured data and inadequate procedure as being indicative of Intelligent Design? Am I misunderstanding your point?

just popped by to have a pop at DrDrD maybe?

then there is herb:  
Good grief, don’t these evos have any standards? A researcher trying this in an ID lab would be shown the door immediately.

you mean they actually have labs?

Yes they do.

But they have to remain hidden (and unpublished).

Date: 2009/05/21 08:48:07, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 21 2009,02:03)
Quote (sparc @ May 20 2009,23:24)
Beelzebub gets nasty      

I find that the decision to take someone seriously is better based on the quality and cogency of their ideas than on their location and occupation. After all, a good idea remains good even if it comes from a Canadian journalist with no scientific training, and a bad idea from someone with two PhD’s, four masters degrees and a BA is still a bad idea, isn’t it?

There won't be too many fulfilling these criteria:      
   * Ph.D. philosophy University of Illinois at Chicago (1996).
    * MDiv. Princeton Theological Seminary (1996).
    * M.A. philosophy University of Illinois at Chicago (1993).
    * Ph.D. mathematics University of Chicago (1988).
    * S.M. mathematics University of Chicago (1985).
    * M.S. statistics University of Illinois at Chicago (1983).
    * B.A. psychology University of Illinois at Chicago (1981).


Does he come from a wealthy family?

Date: 2009/05/21 13:31:16, Link
Author: khan
Just thought this fit with the overall theme of tard:

Date: 2009/05/21 16:34:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (keiths @ May 21 2009,17:23)
Quote (Bueller_007 @ May 21 2009,14:05)
Barry thinks so little of the UD regulars that he thinks it necessary to explain the phrase "Hoisted [sic] With His Own Petard".  Then again, seeing as he can't even get the grammar correct ("hoist" is the past tense of "hoise" here, idjit), maybe it's a phrase he just learned himself.

Shapiro Hoisted With His Own Petard?
For “petard” reference see here.

He's been mangling the phrase since at least March of 2007, using the wrong preposition to boot:
Can we conclude from this that by comparing NDE to the theory of gravity, the defenders of NDE are being hoisted on their own petard?

A common trait seems to be that they are incapable of learning, even in matters not related to science.

In order to learn, you have to first admit that you are either ignorant or mistaken.  Such seems beyond the tard mind.

Date: 2009/05/23 11:49:22, Link
Author: khan


12:54 pm
“Is materialist evolution a bad idea? No, just a description of reality. It isn’t dependent on anything special about biology, it is what happens in any situation that meets a few basic criteria. That is why evolutionary algorithms work.”

Nakashima must be smoking some powerful stuff today. Maybe the Great Nakashima, the Great Denier, should hold forth on the the description of reality he is privy to. No one has been able to explain this reality to us yet but Nakashima the Great, might deign to lower himself to enlighten the masses both here and elsewhere.

We impeach that you do not deny us this small favor and tell us which evolutionary algorithms work and why.

Say what?

Date: 2009/05/24 08:41:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2009,09:39)
Can anyone enlighten me as to what is going on at Scienceblogs? First the departure of Afarensis, now The Wilkins has departed. What's up? Why are cool people decamping from the Borg?

Coincidence? Conspiracy? Contrafabulations?

Enquiring minds (read: nosey bastards) want to know.


Looks to me like headhunters.

Date: 2009/05/24 12:54:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ May 24 2009,13:47)
Quote (ERV @ May 24 2009,18:00)
afarensis-- They left because the bitches and white-knights of SciBlogs went one step too far.

Others-- Im fairly certain you dont read the blogs of the bitches and white-knights because they dont really write about science *zips lips*  I just ignore them, and I wish the other sane Sciblings would too.

Oh I'm sorry Abbie (and Afarensis), but your lips need to be unzipped, that post just BEGS for clarification and elaboration. PM me and sate my raging curiosity if public exposure is not your thing.

I know that certain of the SciBorg are....less well thought of than others but I never suspected the rift in the lute really made the music mute for so many.

White knights? Bitches? Oh a tale lies behind that terminology to be sure to be sure.


What he said.
I've been sort of following this stuff as a reader.

Date: 2009/05/24 16:41:53, Link
Author: khan
Quote (ERV @ May 24 2009,15:04)
We are contractually forbidden to talk about back forum stuff.

Its just the same internet drama that has been going on in every forum since the beginning of time: Attention whores, white knights, normal adult humans that put up with that shit because they dont understand the internet, and normal adult humans who dont tolerate bullshit in their internet homes.  Its just internet drama, but unfortunately nice people are taking whore/knight behavior personally instead of mocking them, as internet laws dictate.  Encyclopedia Dramatica should be required reading before anyone has access to the internets, I swear...

Anyway, the bloggers AtBCers know and love are in the latter two groups, and thats because AtBCers are excellent judges of character.  But its just internet drama-- nothing more ominous.


ERV, thanks for the resource.

Date: 2009/05/24 18:37:23, Link
Author: khan
So they are 'thinking' their designer wrote spaghetti code?

I spent 20+ years writing and maintaining code, and would really like to bitch slap these tards.

Date: 2009/05/24 18:38:55, Link
Author: khan
I carry towels in my car.  Does that suffice, or should I have one in my carryall?

Date: 2009/05/24 19:42:12, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ May 24 2009,19:50)
Quote (afarensis @ May 24 2009,14:44)

Oh The Huge Manatees!

I must confess that took a few minutes.

Date: 2009/05/24 21:01:00, Link
Author: khan
My sister, who previously sent medical woo, is now forwarding, forwarding, et al right wing crap.

Date: 2009/05/25 11:05:37, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dvunkannon @ May 25 2009,09:37)
Quote (khan @ May 24 2009,22:01)
My sister, who previously sent medical woo, is now forwarding, forwarding, et al right wing crap.

Khan, are you in the US? Wondering if you read the crap, if so how much of an Obama is the anti-christ mania it has in it.

I just got spam from a business associate (!) about vispace, which seems to be an MLM scam.

My sister is a witch, but she doesn't pitch woo at me.

Yes, in the USA (Ohio).

All in large & bold text (much deleted):


This video clearly shows that George Bush warned Congress starting in 2001, that this economic crisis was Coming, if something was not done. But Congress refused to listen, along with the arrogant Congressman, Barney Frank.  This video says it all...

Date: 2009/05/25 14:20:32, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ May 25 2009,15:17)
Quote (deadman_932 @ May 25 2009,12:21)
Quote (Amadan @ May 21 2009,05:19)
Not really relevant to anything currently on AtBC, but this has been on my mind so much for the last day or 2.

Best summed up by the editorial in today's Irish Times.

Deeply disturbing.

To go along with that theme, the Los Angeles Times has an article today (can't link, the site is down for maintenance) on "The Bible, War and Discord" which basically reiterates a GQ magazine article  here

Donald Rumsfeld used to like to include Bible verses in George Bush's (hand-delivered) Worldwide Intelligence Briefings...he'd juxtapose those Bible verses with images from the Iraq conflict so that Bush could be more easily manipulated.

Bush, being the good brainless evangelical fuckwit that he was/is ....well, I'm sure he felt all justified and Christ-y in his warrior fervor.

That's why, in a rare (only?) moment of candor, Bush referred to the Iraq War as a "crusade".  

Crusade = Jihad

Potato = Potato; let's call the whole thing off.

"Crusade" was the worst word Shrub could have used at the worst moment.

Date: 2009/05/26 11:39:51, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dnmlthr @ May 26 2009,12:24)
Quote (dnmlthr @ May 26 2009,11:44)
Last of the finals coming up later today.

This spring has kicked my ass thoroughly, just this last little fucking thing (and a couple of paper presentations, but that's easy) left. Honestly, I don't really care how it goes, just want to get it over with.

Passed it.

Time to party!

Date: 2009/05/26 13:41:08, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dnmlthr @ May 26 2009,14:09)
Thanks guys!
If anyone needs me just look in a gutter somewhere.

It was early last December, as near as I remember
I was walking down the street in tipsy pride
No one was I disturbing, as I lay down by the curbing
And a pig came up and lay down by my side

As I lay there in the gutter, thinking thoughts I cannot utter
A lady passing by was heard to say
"You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away

Date: 2009/05/26 15:54:18, Link
Author: khan
Quote (JohnW @ May 26 2009,16:48)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 26 2009,12:28)
If you follow the link called: What is the science behind intelligent design?
You find this:
Evidence for Design in the Development of Biological Complexity
The scientific method is commonly described as a four-step process involving observations, hypothesis, experiments, and conclusion. In this regard, ID uses the scientific method to claim that many features of life are designed—not just the information in DNA.  After starting with the observation that intelligent agents produce complex and specified information (CSI), design theorists hypothesize that if a natural object was designed, it will contain high levels of CSI. Scientists then perform experimental tests upon natural objects to determine if they contain complex and specified information. One easily testable form of CSI is irreducible complexity, which can tested and discovered by experimentally reverse-engineering biological structures through genetic knockout experiments to determine if they require all of their parts to function.  When experimental work uncovers irreducible complexity in biology, they conclude that such structures were designed.

O'Rlly? These "scientists" got any names? I think this is a question for Casey....

Hypothesis: This here natural object contains complex and specified infomation.

Experimental test: Does it look designed to me?

Results: Sure does!

Conclusion: Goddidit!

Sums it up real good.

Date: 2009/05/26 15:57:04, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 26 2009,16:51)
Quote (fusilier @ May 26 2009,14:17)
The unfortunate thing is that we'll have to call a beekeeper to remove the hive.  There are too many small children nearby.

A beekeeper will gladly remove it for you. The going rate for a bee colony in these parts (if you wanted to buy one) is $80-100. So you are giving him a nice present!

I have an early memory (4 or 5) when parents called a beekeeper for a hive on the side of the house & he (Wolfgang Bauer) gave me a piece of comb to bite.

Date: 2009/05/28 17:32:54, Link
Author: khan
Meteoric organics

Date: 2009/05/31 15:50:52, Link
Author: khan
Quote (deadman_932 @ May 31 2009,14:43)

Cheers, Quack!

I am compelled to relate an anecdote (from Mother).

We lived on a small farm near a small town in the NE USA.  Mother delivered farm products to folks in the area. Among the customer were farmers who (to put it discreetly) were not big on hygiene.

Mother was at said folks' house and was offered a drink.  She decided that since the scotch would be poured out of a newly opened bottle, it would be safe.

She took a sip and was distracted for a while talking.  When she turned to reach for another sip, she saw a goose on the table with its bill in the glass.

Date: 2009/06/03 11:27:02, Link
Author: khan
"The baby has murdered sleep; Louis will sleep no more."

Date: 2009/06/03 19:25:41, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ June 03 2009,20:13)
Thanks very much everyone for all your kind wishes and sound advice. I shall of course relay/follow them all as appropriate.

Unfortunately this means that, due the to tiredness and confusion of being a new father, I will be keeping my wife away from UD for five years, drinking heavily tomorrow night with my son, using him as a rugby ball, ignoring every charity, going to college to sleep and putting poo into every smile.

Did I get that all about right?



Date: 2009/06/06 14:25:31, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Quidam @ June 06 2009,12:23)
Quote (J-Dog @ May 31 2009,17:52)
I hope Quidam can do something with the cover of  Dr. Dr.'s new book, like he did for his last book.  Those Green Buttocks were a great marketing tie-in for the usual crowd of UD and ID Ignorati .

It does sort of resemble the Erectile Dysfunction undoubtadly suffered by most UD and ID supporters...

Since Obama's election I have been taking a bit of a sabbatical from the ID Tard and marvelling at the Beck/Hannity/O'Reilly  tard.

This really doesn't give me too much to work with, but I suppose that IS the point.  Dembski is reduced to traditional insipid apologetics.  The once mighty Explanatory Filter failed to rise to the occasion, leaving O'Leary unsatisifed, ForTheKids without meat on the table and is seldom seen or even mentioned now.   So on that theme:


Date: 2009/06/06 14:26:14, Link
Author: khan
Quote (someotherguy @ June 06 2009,14:51)
I just blazed through the past 60+ days of UD goodness in less than 24 hours.  I can't tell whether the sensation I'm now experiencing is Tard Miner's High or anaphylatic shock.  In any case, you lot better start bowing down to my inhuman levels of tard-tolerance.  I also think I may need to have my kidneys checked by a specialist.

And liver.

Date: 2009/06/07 13:05:49, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2009,13:44)
Quote (afarensis @ June 07 2009,12:26)
* I lived in Knoxville for six years so I am entitled to say y'all.

I'm all for the spread of the y'all meme to carpetbaggers and yankees, but it drives me crazy when some actor/actress is trying to pull off the accent and can't understand that y'all is plural, not singular.

"Y'all" is singular
"All y'alls" is plural.
At least for folks from KY who live in OH.

Date: 2009/06/07 13:53:16, Link
Author: khan
All I know of "y'all" is from the people I worked with (Wright-Patterson AFB).

Date: 2009/06/08 10:01:35, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ June 08 2009,10:25)
Quote (Quack @ June 08 2009,05:00)
Makes me wonder, what’s the toughest – being a scientist, maybe even doing science, mining the tard, or just surviving the after hours?

The way rag is being chewed, it just makes this innocent bystander curious.

Big question: Why is there no creationist counterpart to AtBC?


Because comedy requires a certain intelligence and way of looking at the world, and Creo's and IDCists just aren't hard-wired to do this.  If you are attracted to UD / ID you are more likely to just not get it.

Think about the posters at UD -  Dembski, Densye, Gordon, BA77 etc, and you see pretty clearly that the only comedy at UD is unintentional.

And when they do attempt to be humorous it is downright painful.

Date: 2009/06/08 16:06:25, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ June 08 2009,16:06)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 08 2009,19:24)
Congratulation to your wife.

Merci beaucoup Dr GH. It is her, after all, who deserves all the congratulations.


Congratulations to Louis, but more to his wife.

“Watching a baby being born is a little like watching a wet St. Bernard coming in through the cat door."
--Jeff Foxworthy

Date: 2009/06/08 18:11:24, Link
Author: khan
I recall the days when I was a "Management Analyst" Mgt Anal

Date: 2009/06/09 11:28:23, Link
Author: khan
lololol  Billy D is prancing around the living room in grandmaws tutu again

I did not need that image.

Date: 2009/06/09 12:07:24, Link
Author: khan
a) has had a lot of work done

Date: 2009/06/09 16:12:15, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ June 09 2009,15:44)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 09 2009,20:06)
Quote (J-Dog @ June 09 2009,10:52)
I have all new respect for the phrase "down under", and of course wonder why Wilkens would waste any time at all posting anywhere, when he could NOT be posting, but doing other things, if you know what I mean.  And I think you do.

Well, I think there is good reason that Wilkins used that gorilla for an icon which seriously limits the reasons not to post.

I on the other hand am merely old and badly maintained- rather like my truck.

Demographically, when broken down by age and sex, we AtBCers, and old TOers like Le Wilkins, are an interesting bunch.

And there is no one more broken down by age and sex than the average AtBCer.


Broken down by age and sex and life in general.

Date: 2009/06/13 16:00:00, Link
Author: khan
What is this:


For some reason I can't figure out how to display pictures.

ETA: that works, thanks

Date: 2009/06/14 14:09:04, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday to all.

Date: 2009/06/14 16:29:49, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Louis @ June 14 2009,17:07)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 14 2009,18:20)

*For Tiktaalik's sake, can someone also give me a definite rule about double consonants in the english language?

I'm not going to comment about the effects of shagging on the unborn (other than to note that prostaglandins in sperm can cause early labour late in pregnancy), but I notice you are asking for a rule about something in the English language.

{Shakes head}

Oh my dear, sweet, horribly misguided, Gallic chum. The English language doesn't have rules! How else can we confuse foreigners? We built an Empire on having impenetrably irregular conjugations of verbs and declensions of nouns. Otherwise people might have understood us.


Not only what Louis said, but what rules there are vary by country/region.

Date: 2009/06/15 18:33:30, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 15 2009,19:26)
did anyone point this out already

7:58 am
After all, we do know the impotent results of the fruit fly experiment in showing the immense creative power of proposed darwinian mechanisms.

On that note, does anyone ever think about why we don’t see a myriad of failed body plans in the fossil record? Just given the sheer amount of trial and error that would be required to reach our current status of complex, specified, and interdependent functional systems, one would expect to see millions upon millions of failed trials in the fossil record akin to all of the failed fruit fly body plans no?

fossils huh.  psshshsht i think these"super male" caddisflies are a contemporary example of what the tard is looking for.  

tweaks in the molecular expression of genitalic morphology can land an individual in some funky new spaces.  changes in symmetry and relative size number or position of parts like this could be raw material for new sexual selection and mate choice systems.  

locks and keys are coarse analogies, and you don't need morphological change to have a lot of ecological and behavioral change.  

PaulN is a tard

I have seen this argument before and it is difficult to respond to the total stupid.

Date: 2009/06/16 14:38:02, Link
Author: khan
Failure to do so will result in an unnecessary crisis of faith for far too many of our high school and college students

Reality's a bitch.

Date: 2009/06/16 14:47:13, Link
Author: khan
Quote (deadman_932 @ June 16 2009,15:26)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 16 2009,09:47)
i think ol corny mighta wet his diaper

In her recent paper, The Non-epistemology of Intelligent Design: Its Implications for Public Policy, evolutionary philosopher Barbara Forrest states that science must be restricted to natural phenomena. In its investigations, science must restrict itself to a naturalistic methodology, where explanations must be strictly naturalistic, dealing with phenomena that are strictly natural. Aside from rare exceptions this is the consensus position of evolutionists. And in typical fashion, Forrest uses this criteria to exclude origins explanations that allow for the supernatural. Only evolutionary explanations, in one form or another, are allowed.

Continue reading here.

I'm amused at the desperation that requires ol' Corny to post a teaser at UD, linked to his tumbleweed-strewn blog. Desperation that rates an 8.7 in O'Leary units.

What does that translate to in 'timecube units'?

Date: 2009/06/17 11:34:29, Link
Author: khan
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2009/06/17 18:01:24, Link
Author: khan
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 17 2009,18:57)
The source of Clive's tensions becomes clear:
What size, shape and length is the “physical counterpart” of love? And what, exactly, is a “physical counterpart?”

Clive, it varies. Not to worry: it's not the size of the wand that matters, it's the magic of the user.

But how big is god's penis?

Date: 2009/06/20 10:50:28, Link
Author: khan
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 20 2009,09:52)
I think you need some more explicit Xian theology mangling, try this:

Before the fall, all the genes were in the correct kind of animal, but because of Eve's sin, God mixed them up. It is the same process He used at the Tower of Babel - a dramatic increase in entropy as a punishment.

DGSEs are trying to rebuild jigsaw puzzle. The natural world has to be ready for the Second Coming. The return of Logos will return the natural world to the order that existed before the Fall. Like a perfect shuffle returning a deck of cards to their original order. We think all of these viral waves around the world are diseases, they are not - they are those last few random seeming shuffles before the massive reshuffling of the End Times.

Makes about as much sense as what the tards come up with.

Date: 2009/06/21 11:18:40, Link
Author: khan
Quote (utidjian @ June 20 2009,21:17)
I also scan some fundie forums like
this one from time to time. (Be warned the god soaked tardology on that site can be toxic.) At least their TARD isn't pretending to be non-religous, nor are they claiming any expertise in the sciences.


The tard is strong there:


I just wanted to let you know that links to websites that are anti-Christians are not allowed on our website. From now any posts that link to or similar websites will be removed or edited.

Lisa Luper

Date: 2009/06/23 10:39:29, Link
Author: khan
Quote (J-Dog @ June 23 2009,10:51)
NNoel smacks around the UD Faithful.... read it now, before it's expelled expunged.NNoel - UDers Is Teh Dumb!

The response to that is some amazing tard.

Date: 2009/06/24 17:49:13, Link
Author: khan
Does anyone else have no idea what chunkycheese is talking about?

Date: 2009/06/26 14:47:50, Link
Author: khan
Tell me Magic Mirror: Wes or Grrlscientist?

I have 5 emails.