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MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,07:28   

http://today.reuters.com/news....SAS.xml

The Kansas Board of Education on Tuesday threw out science standards deemed hostile to evolution, undoing the work of Christian conservatives in the ongoing battle over what to teach U.S. public school students about the origins of life.

The board in the central U.S. state voted 6-4 to replace them with teaching standards that mirror the mainstream in science education and eliminate criticisms of evolutionary theory.

"I'm glad we've taken this step. If we are going to have a well-educated populace, this is important," said board member Sue Gamble.

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Mike PSS



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,10:55   

Dover, Ohio, Georgia, now Kansas.

Where is the next "front" that the creo crowd is presently defending?

I've lost track.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,11:26   

Quote (Mike PSS @ Feb. 14 2007,10:55)
Dover, Ohio, Georgia, now Kansas.

Where is the next "front" that the creo crowd is presently defending?

I've lost track.

According to DaveTard's latest post, ironically entitled "Civilization Calls", it's Iran...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,13:37   

Quote (MidnightVoice @ Feb. 14 2007,07:28)
The Kansas Board of Education on Tuesday threw out science standards deemed hostile to evolution, undoing the work of Christian conservatives in the ongoing battle over what to teach U.S. public school students about the origins of life.

Sorry to nitpick. But isn't evolution a different subject to origins of life?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,15:15   

yes stephen, and anybody who thinks this will be a long-standing milestone in Kansas seems to readily forget how the vote went that started all this mess back in 1999.

seven years to reverse the damage, and there's simply no reason to expect that once the furor dies down, and the media attention is off of Kansas, the religious right wouldn't just remobilize and do it all over again.

*sigh*

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,16:36   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 14 2007,16:15)
yes stephen, and anybody who thinks this will be a long-standing milestone in Kansas seems to readily forget how the vote went that started all this mess back in 1999.

seven years to reverse the damage, and there's simply no reason to expect that once the furor dies down, and the media attention is off of Kansas, the religious right wouldn't just remobilize and do it all over again.

*sigh*

Actually, if memory serves, I believe this is the second or third time they've had to undo the damage of Creationists in that state.  It's been a see saw for a while there.  We might not have just witnessed the last change of guard there.

  
MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,16:48   

"It is the fourth time in eight years that science standards have been rewritten in Kansas"

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,17:07   

4th time yes, but it was in 1999 that the majority was first so heavily skewed in favor of creationists.

er, at least for the "latest" cycle.

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MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,17:20   

The article says:

"But Kansas has been in the forefront of the debate since 1999, when the board voted to sharply reduce the emphasis of evolution in science instruction. A public backlash ultimately led to a reversal of that revision."

In 1999, the board eliminated most references to evolution, a move Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould said was akin to teaching "American history without Lincoln."

Two years later, after voters replaced three members, the board reverted to evolution-friendly standards. Elections in 2002 and 2004 changed the board's composition again, making it more conservative.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,17:42   

Quote (Ichthyic @ Feb. 14 2007,15:15)
yes stephen, and anybody who thinks this will be a long-standing milestone in Kansas seems to readily forget how the vote went that started all this mess back in 1999.

seven years to reverse the damage, and there's simply no reason to expect that once the furor dies down, and the media attention is off of Kansas, the religious right wouldn't just remobilize and do it all over again.

*sigh*



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2007,18:03   

Quote (MidnightVoice @ Feb. 14 2007,17:20)
The article says:

"But Kansas has been in the forefront of the debate since 1999, when the board voted to sharply reduce the emphasis of evolution in science instruction. A public backlash ultimately led to a reversal of that revision."

In 1999, the board eliminated most references to evolution, a move Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould said was akin to teaching "American history without Lincoln."

Two years later, after voters replaced three members, the board reverted to evolution-friendly standards. Elections in 2002 and 2004 changed the board's composition again, making it more conservative.

Well, in a democracy, people GET exactly the government that they DESERVE.

When non-idiots don't vote, then idiots get elected.  (shrug)

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Dizzy



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,08:44   

Ohh Kansas, you are such a tease.

I give it 3 years at most before someone tries "wedging" Kansas again.  Maybe not through the Board of Ed, but somehow...

  
Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,09:12   

Last night Fox just happened to re-run the anti-evolution episode of the Simpsons from last year...

Coincidence???

Should I have posted this on Zero's thread?

:p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,10:14   

Quote (Ved @ Feb. 15 2007,09:12)
Last night Fox just happened to re-run the anti-evolution episode of the Simpsons from last year...

Coincidence???

Should I have posted this on Zero's thread?

:p

I don't think that episode is ANTI-evolution at all. Lisa is very pro-evolution in it, and anyone who watches the Simpsons knows she's the conscience of the show.

The Simpsons is emphatically not a mouthpiece for Rupert Murdoch Inc. The show has made fun of Fox News several times. I think Fox tolerates the Simpsons doing this because the show is such a cash cow.

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Ved



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,10:23   

Hehe, I know it's confusing. I meant Anti-evolution as in about or against anti-evolution, like the name the site we're posting on right now.

:D

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2007,16:21   

As I vaguely recall, the last Kansas school board election was ominous. Not all members come up for election every time; there's an overlap. In November, four of them were running, and all were re-elected. Three of the four were creationists. Next election, four more are up for re-election, and all four of them are currently pro-science people. Informed observers have written that all four creationist seats on the State school board are safe and solid, while half of the six pro-science seats are touch-and-go.

That's two years away, and at that time, another creationist majority seems more likely than not - pro-science Kansans keep thinking they've defeated the forces of ignorance, but creationism never sleeps. The underlying problem seems to be, an *absolute majority* of registered Kansas voters are creationists. Running as a pro-science candidate is risky to fatal. If you're pro-science and you want to be elected, you avoid this topic at all costs.

  
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