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Jason Spaceman Posts: 163 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2007,04:47    Quote Kazmer Ujvarosy January 27, 2007 Critics of Intelligent Design (ID), in their utter impotence to refute the theory’s basic logic that the existence of complex systems in nature implies the existence of an intelligent cause or designer, are doing their best to divert attention from the real issue by notoriously bringing up lame and demonstrably false arguments. First of all, they allege that ID theorists failed to name the designer. The fundamental problem with this criticism is that intelligence in fact has been named as the designer--after all, the theory itself is called Intelligent Design. Thus the designer is intelligence. And because there is absolutely no demonstrable evidence that an intelligence above and beyond human intelligence exists, by default the credit for design in nature goes to human intelligence. If ID critics want me to be even more specific, Christ identified himself as that intelligence which created the universe to make reproductions of himself in the form of human beings. In other words we find design in nature because Christ constitutes the seed of the universe, or the cosmic system’s input and output. As he disclosed it in Revelation 22:13, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” In essence Jesus is telling us that he constitutes the beginning and the end of the cosmic system, similarly as a seed constitutes the beginning and the end of a plant system. Read it here.

Jason Spaceman Posts: 163 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2007,04:54    My favourite part, Christ is the universal common ancestor.  But remember, ID has nothing to do with religion! Quote Third, critics of Intelligent Design eagerly promote the fabrication that the theory completely lacks predictive power. Of course, nothing can be further from the truth. Because we know that human intelligence in Christ’s person is the seed, creator or designer of the universe, we are in the position to predict with unparalleled confidence that Christ is the universal common ancestor of all things created. Also we predict that universal common descent has its source in Jesus Christ. Overwhelming evidence for the relation of all creatures to Christ by universal common descent has been provided by paleontology, comparative anatomy, biogeography, embryology, biochemistry, molecular genetics, and other scientific disciplines. Whereas evolutionists stick to Darwin’s invention tenaciously--namely to the supernatural entity misleadingly named “natural selection”--, we predict that universal common descent’s mechanism is epigenesis. Thus the process of development from Christ’s genotype to the mature universe for the production of progeny in Christ’s image is epigenetic. All of these predictions are falsifiable, provided ID critics can demonstrate that instead of Christ the universal common ancestor is a minimal life form, and ultimately zero intelligence; that universal common descent is not a fact; or that epigenesis is not a viable mechanism for development from the seed of the universe.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2007,07:36    Quote Whereas evolutionists stick to Darwin’s invention tenaciously--namely to the supernatural entity misleadingly named “natural selection”--, When I got to this point, I thought, 'Okay, this guy's a troll', but then I remembered that AFDave had a post recently wherein he claimed that belief in evolution constituted belief in the supernatural.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2007,07:48    Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Jan. 28 2007,04:47) [quote] Kazmer Ujvarosy January 27, 2007 If ID critics want me to be even more specific, Christ identified himself as that intelligence which created the universe to make reproductions of himself in the form of human beings. In other words we find design in nature because Christ constitutes the seed of the universe, Well, if there is ever another ID trial (and ID got shredded so badly in Dover that I doubt there ever will be), I hope we can get this guy to testify.  For OUR side. That's why I love fundies so much.  All you gotta do is let them talk long enough, and they shoot THEMSELVES in the head every single time. The morons STILL have no clue why they keep losing court cases. (snicker)  (giggle) -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2007,10:49    Kazmer's getting slicker. He went two whole paragraphs without mentioning Jesus. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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