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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2007,21:51    followers of creationism know creationists often don't stick with merely denying evolutionary science. They apply the same methods to deny global warming, or heliocentrism, or HIV/AIDS, or cancer science.  On PT, creationist RealPC brings some HIV denial to the party.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2007,22:16    He makes me sick and so does Jonathan Wells. And Dembski makes me sick for drawing his war line between himself and people like me who want dying South Africans to get ARVs, while sucking up to Wells. You don't know how vehemently I wish there was a just God out there sometimes. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2007,22:25    Is realpc Charlie Wagner? -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2007,22:30    Kristine, I think one has to get some distance from the harm these tards cause. Otherwise you'll be distressed all the time. I'm not saying don't fight them; I'm just saying try not to pin your happiness on this level of dumbassery disappearing any time soon. Me, I try to keep some distance, from which I can laugh at them. Kind of like Puck in Midsummer Night's Dream. "Lord, what fools these mortals be!" and a few lines later "And those things do best please me That befal preposterously." ID and its minions are nothing if not preposterous.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 27 2007,22:30     No way! If so, that would be the first time I actually read anything by CW all the way through, plus my first time replying to him. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,14:27    meh, based on the rambling nature of his positions, and the cookie-cutter content of his posts, I'd say it's nothing more than a simple troll. I wish PT would be a bit more serious about booting trolls. it sure hasn't hurt pharyngula. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2007,14:58    Well, anyway, I'll work on luring them with honey first before I sink my fangs! I don’t normally play with my food. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,15:27    On Panda's Thumb, http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....-172938 Realpc says: Quote Comment #172938 Posted by realpc on May 1, 2007 12:50 PM (e) | kill    realpc: Where is your high quality experimental evidence showing AIDS drugs are effective?    raging: Well, there’s a bunch of AIDS patients here and there saying the new drugs have helped them feel better, live longer, and lead better lives. Where’s YOUR evidence showing these people are mistaken? A bunch of AIDS patients here and there!!??? You call that scientific evidence? There are millions of people claiming to see ghosts, but you would never count that as evidence!    realpc: If there is no HIV in the patients, how are they helped by drugs that fight HIV?    raging: IS there no HIV in the patients? You accuse me of not reading carefully! Raging, the HIV test is mainly for HIV antibodies, not HIV. The actual HIV is not detectable, even in patients who are dying from AIDS. That is one of the main reasons Duesberg cannot believe HIV causes AIDS. And he cannot believe drugs can be helpful if they fight HIV that is not even present! This is a simple argument which should be answered in a clear and straightforward way. Testimony of a bunch of AIDS patients here and there, and long-winded obfuscations, will not help us understand the real situation. The actual HIV is not detectable? Has no one told this guy about viral load tests?

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,15:31    Quote The actual HIV is not detectable? Has no one told this guy about viral load tests? well, when you only read the rantings of a single disturbed individual (duesenberg)to form your opinions, you miss a lot. really, if you want to see a REAL HIV denier, go check out some of the writings of Lynn Margulis (Yes, the same person who fleshed out the endosymbiotic theory). RealPC, is, as I said, doing nothing more than trolling for fun. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,15:51    Pretty convincing evidence that HIV causes AIDS in humans is the fact that HIV/SIV chimeric viruses can cause AIDS in non-human primates: Quote J Virol. 1996 May;70(5):3189-97. By animal-to-animal passage of simian/human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV) in pig-tailed macaques, we have developed a macaque model of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) disease in humans. Passaging was begun with a chimeric virus containing the env gene of HIV-1 HXBc2 and the gag and pol genes of simian immunodeficiency virus SIVmac239. SHIV was passaged serially in cohorts of two macaques each, using bone marrow-to-bone marrow transfers at 5, 5, and 16 weeks for passages 2, 3, and 4, respectively. The fifth passage was done by using cell-free virus isolated from cerebrospinal fluid of a passage 4 macaque. The virus became more virulent with each passage. Virus replication was restricted in all three animals in passages 1 and 2 but not in five of the six animals in passages 3, 4, and 5. In these animals, intense virus replication in the lymphoid tissues resulted in almost total elimination of CD4+ T cells within weeks of inoculation, and three of these animals developed AIDS in less than 1 year. The more uniform virus-host interaction initiated by the cell-free virus in the passage 5 animals contrasted with a more variable pattern of disease initiated by infectious bone marrow cells during earlier passages. The virulent cell-free SHIV can now be used to screen the efficacy of vaccines directed against the envelope of HIV-1. That's about as close as you can get to directly infecting humans with the virus and seeing if untreated people progress to AIDS. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,18:10    http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....-172968 Quote Comment #172968 Posted by realpc on May 1, 2007 5:48 PM (e) | kill Katie, Not everyone agrees that the HIV test measures viral load. Realpc doesn't seem to understand that the antigen test is not the viral load test.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,18:25    Quote (stevestory @ May 01 2007,16:10) http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....-172968 Quote Comment #172968 Posted by realpc on May 1, 2007 5:48 PM (e) | kill Katie, Not everyone agrees that the HIV test measures viral load. Realpc doesn't seem to understand that the antigen test is not the viral load test. I haven't followed realpc very closely in his evolution denial threads, but his response or nonresponse to my latest comment should reveal whether he's actually taken in by crank hypotheses or just trolling. I suspect it's a combination of the two. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2007,20:35    Quote (argystokes @ May 01 2007,15:51) Pretty convincing evidence that HIV causes AIDS in humans is the fact that HIV/SIV chimeric viruses can cause AIDS in non-human primates:   Quote J Virol. 1996 May;70(5):3189-97. By animal-to-animal passage of simian/human immunodeficiency virus (SHIV) in pig-tailed macaques, we have developed a macaque model of human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) disease in humans. Passaging was begun with a chimeric virus containing the env gene of HIV-1 HXBc2 and the gag and pol genes of simian immunodeficiency virus SIVmac239. SHIV was passaged serially in cohorts of two macaques each, using bone marrow-to-bone marrow transfers at 5, 5, and 16 weeks for passages 2, 3, and 4, respectively. The fifth passage was done by using cell-free virus isolated from cerebrospinal fluid of a passage 4 macaque. The virus became more virulent with each passage. Virus replication was restricted in all three animals in passages 1 and 2 but not in five of the six animals in passages 3, 4, and 5. In these animals, intense virus replication in the lymphoid tissues resulted in almost total elimination of CD4+ T cells within weeks of inoculation, and three of these animals developed AIDS in less than 1 year. The more uniform virus-host interaction initiated by the cell-free virus in the passage 5 animals contrasted with a more variable pattern of disease initiated by infectious bone marrow cells during earlier passages. The virulent cell-free SHIV can now be used to screen the efficacy of vaccines directed against the envelope of HIV-1. That's about as close as you can get to directly infecting humans with the virus and seeing if untreated people progress to AIDS. How do we know those monkeys weren't doing drugs or engaging in homosexual activity? -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2007,14:01    If Vyoma is right, realpc is, well... Quote Posted by Vyoma on May 2, 2007 1:39 PM (e) All your points in terms of AZT have been addressed already. you’ve brought up nothing new nor valid, especially considering that there are other drugs in use, and research on new ones continues. Including a class of compounds called laccases. Please, feel free to share your intensive research into and knowledge of laccases and their effects on HIV. Moreover, your lack of an answer has certainly been very revealing. Clearly, you are, indeed, the loony who calls himself ankh_f_n_khonsu. So, how’s that Holocaust “revisionism” working out for you? Conjured any good spirits lately? How many of your replies here have been written under the influence of drugs? That would explain quite a bit of what you write, really. Folks, this guy is a crackpot. He thinks he’s a magician who can control the universe with the power of his mind. Nobody is ever going to convince him of anything; he’s as much of a religious fundamentalist as any evangelistic Christian or Wahabi Muslim fundamentalist. I would add my voice to those calling for his ban, since absolutely nothing but garbage will come from communicating with him. Although that would probably wind up as a merit badge amongst his crackpot friends, so the choice is up to you. Personally, though, I doubt he’s going to go away just because he’s ignored. As long as a soapbox is provided for his fantastically inflated ego, this blowhard occultist will continue to hang around here and spew nonsense. His brain has been far too damaged by prolonged drug use to permit for anything else. http://ankh-f-n-khonsu.livejournal.com/profile HIV denial, evolution denial, holocaust denial, AND 9-11 conspiracy. I'd like to see this guy go toe to toe with Larry Fafarman. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Cedric Katesby Posts: 55 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2007,09:09    For those who are interested, I tracked down RealPC at Ambivablog where she seems to hang out. (If you visit there, please be nice. ?The blog has all sorts of strange topics but the host is...well...hospitible.) So, I took RealPC to task for her shameful trolling and unsupported statements. After much weeping and wailing and nashing of teeth, she finally 'explained' herself.   Quote I am not credulous, just the opposite. Cedric is bothered because I said James Randi is close-minded about paranormal research, and I think that almost goes without saying. Randi is similar to Dawkins, waging a war against any kind of supernatural belief. I have no obligation to answer everything Cedric or someone else asks, if I feel the answer is obvious, or the question is not interesting. I don't have time to get involved in boring or pointless conversations. I have explained my interpretation of ID multiple times at PandasThumb. Sad really. Still, now all of the other regulars over there know that a thread all devoted to her is here at the Panda's Thumb. They also know that SHE knows it but refuses to engage. Guess she doesn't have the time.

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