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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,13:11   

IDiots say the darndest things, like Phillip Johnson saying

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"We ought to see humans occasionally being born to chimps or perhaps chimps born into human families."


I spose I should admit that after having two children my wife and I discussed having a third.  But I nixed the idea since we know you run the risk of having a horse, or chimpanzee or finch every time you get pregnant.  Our house will not accomodate a horse so we decided to limit our family to 2 children.

And the IDiots call him the grandpappy of intelligent design creationism.  I call him dumber than a fence post.  Read the whole Nova interview here

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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,13:42   

Shouldn't the idiots be trumpeting this appearance by an ID luminary on TV?

My favorite part of the interview was the way that Johnson answered every question by starting with the following thought, "If Darwinism can't..."

Especially funny after he was asked what the positive evidence for ID was.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,14:03   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 30 2007,13:11)
IDiots say the darndest things, like Phillip Johnson saying

 
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"We ought to see humans occasionally being born to chimps or perhaps chimps born into human families."


I spose I should admit that after having two children my wife and I discussed having a third.  But I nixed the idea since we know you run the risk of having a horse, or chimpanzee or finch every time you get pregnant.  Our house will not accomodate a horse so we decided to limit our family to 2 children.

And the IDiots call him the grandpappy of intelligent design creationism.  I call him dumber than a fence post.  Read the whole Nova interview here

I got to give the old guy his props - he can still bring teh crazy.  He reminds me of a cross between a used car salesman and a southern preacher, and slicker than shit through a goose.

There's been a lot of strange things reported today, like Larry Fafarman's Kind Confederate b.s, the reason people believe in ghosts (and ID) and now this.

What's next?  People running around as zombies and witches yelling for candy?

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,14:19   

Quote (blipey @ Oct. 30 2007,13:42)
Shouldn't the idiots be trumpeting this appearance by an ID luminary on TV?

My favorite part of the interview was the way that Johnson answered every question by starting with the following thought, "If Darwinism can't..."

Especially funny after he was asked what the positive evidence for ID was.

Let's give Phil's nonanswer in full:

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Q: What is the evidence for intelligent design?


Always wanted the answer to that question? Wait for it....

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Johnson: What if the Darwinian mechanism doesn't have the creative power claimed for it? Then something else has to be true.


Ah! One of the more crass statements of "Darwinism has problems, THAT'S my proof of intelligent design!" I've heard in a LONG time.

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It's two sides of the same coin as I look at it, and that's why I've always devoted my energies to making the skeptical case about Darwinism. Others have evidence of a positive nature—irreducible complexity and complex specified information are part of that.

To understand the positive evidence I think we have to realize that Darwin was writing a long time ago.


(The writers of Genesis were writing MUCH LONGER AGO, but nevermind.)

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He didn't understand anything about complex specified information or the irreducible complexity of the cell. In Darwin's day it was thought that cells were simply globs of a kind of jelly-like substance, a protoplasm. So it didn't seem to be very difficult to imagine how you could get a blob of some substance like mud at the bottom of a prehistoric pond, lake, or ocean. But since Darwin's day an enormous amount has been learned about the cell.

This is why my colleague Michael Behe's famous book is titled Darwin's Black Box. The point there is that to Darwin the cell was a black box. It did something, but you didn't know how it did it. So the cell was a black box in Darwin's day, and now it's been opened. Thanks to the work of biochemists and molecular biologists since that time, we know that the cell is so enormously complex that it makes a spaceship or a supercomputer look rather low-tech in comparison. So I think the cell is perhaps the biggest hurdle of all for the Darwinists to get over. How do you get the first cell?

It's not just that if they get the cell then everything else will be easy. But it was thought in Darwin's day that the cell was no problem at all. The only problems came after that. How do you get from cells to complex animals and then to apes, and from apes to human beings? That's the story that he told. Now, I don't think that story will hold water when you look for proof rather than just accept it as an inevitable, logical consequence of a naturalistic philosophy that you're starting out with.


"I find Darwinism implausible, therefore I win, and I don't have to offer you any proof of my position".

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,17:16   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 30 2007,15:03)
There's been a lot of strange things reported today, like Larry Fafarman's Kind Confederate b.s....

Link?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,17:21   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Oct. 30 2007,17:16)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 30 2007,15:03)
There's been a lot of strange things reported today, like Larry Fafarman's Kind Confederate b.s....

Link?

Here ya go. (At FtK's blog, no less)

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,17:37   

I've never realy paid any attention to the FtK person but I followed the link to her blog and poked around a bit.  What a lying, sorry, sack af shit   Mentally ill Larry makes the perfect mate for her.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2007,17:44   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Oct. 30 2007,11:11)
IDiots say the darndest things, like Phillip Johnson saying

 
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"We ought to see humans occasionally being born to chimps or perhaps chimps born into human families."


I spose I should admit that after having two children my wife and I discussed having a third.  But I nixed the idea since we know you run the risk of having a horse, or chimpanzee or finch every time you get pregnant.  Our house will not accomodate a horse so we decided to limit our family to 2 children.

And the IDiots call him the grandpappy of intelligent design creationism.  I call him dumber than a fence post.  Read the whole Nova interview here

This is championship-quality tard.  The chimp stuff is even sillier in its full context:

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Q: How do you explain our genetic relatedness with chimpanzees?

Johnson: There is a relatedness. But what does it mean? Say we have almost 99 percent of our genes in common with chimpanzees. We also have at least 25 percent of our genes in common with bananas. There are these commonalities that exist throughout life. Do they point to a common evolutionary process or a common creator? That is the question for interpretation.

The genes are going to win when people ask me about that great degree of similarity between human genes and chimpanzee genes. I answer that genes must not be anywhere near as important as we have been led to believe. If there were that great a commonality between chimps and humans, it ought to be relatively easy to breed chimps and come up with a human being, or by genetic engineering to change a chimp into a human. We ought to see humans occasionally being born to chimps or perhaps chimps born into human families.

So the real question to me that needs to be explained is the enormous difference between chimps and human beings. That's what evolutionary science needs to explain and can't explain.

So not only should humans give birth to chimps, they should also give birth to bananas.  But about four times less often.

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