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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,13:25   

Im new on this forum.
It is nice resource.
But i want read more about this problem.
Any suggestions?

Stephen Elliott

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,13:31   

What problem?

PS. I am a tad suspicious. Recently we have been getting E-atacked by silly people.

Wesley R. Elsberry

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,14:45   

There's a bunch of books listed in the Useful Links. There's a handy link at the bottom of the page here.

"You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,15:01   

If you are looking for book recommendations about Intelligent Design creationism from scientific or historical points of view, I offer the following;

Mark Perakh
2003 Unintelligent Design New York: Prometheus Press

Niall Shanks and Richard Dawkins
2004 God, the Devil, and Darwin: A Critique of Intelligent Design Theory Oxford University Press

Robert T. Pennock (Editor)
2001 Intelligent Design Creationism and Its Critics: Philosophical, Theological, and Scientific Perspectives MIT Press

Matt Young, Taner Edis (Editors),
2004  Why Intelligent Design Fails: A Scientific Critique of the New Creationism Rutgers University Press

Barbara Carroll Forrest, Paul R. Gross
2004 Creationism's Trojan Horse: The Wedge of Intelligent Design Oxford University Press

Brockman, John (editor)
2006  Intelligent Thought: Science versus the Intelligent Design Movement (2006, New York: Vintage Press/Random House)

There was actually little to commend Brockman et al, but the rest are very good.

Edited by Dr.GH on Sep. 02 2007,13:02

"Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy."


Henry J

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,20:12   

Re "Any suggestions?"

Talk.Origins Archive

29 evidences for evolution

An Index to Creationist Claims


Doc Bill

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,20:39   

I smell the creationist troll.  Sorry in advance for my cynicism.

Oh, I'm new to this debate.

Tell me about the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Oh, but what if the Universe is a closed system fralscroblem framastat!  Then what.  I read that that's the case and therefore Charles Darwin was insane.

Yes, we've heard it all before.

Henry J

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,22:36   

Re "Oh, but what if the Universe is a closed system fralscroblem framastat!  Then what. "

At a guess: at some point several hundred billion years from now, after all the stars have burned the available fuel and there's nothing left from which more stars might form, everything will approach thermodynamic equilibrium. That will of course be long after our sun has expanded into a red giant, absorbed its inner planets, and subsequently used up the rest of its fuel.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2007,08:02   

Welcome Sherheato!

You want to read more about evolutionary biology? Great! All of Steve J Gould's and Richard Dawkins' popular works are a great place to start. Other than that, the NCSE has some good online resources as does Talk Origins. Google is your friend in both these instances and Amazon (or your local library) is good for the books.

Have fun.



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