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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:04   

link
link (interesting idea about pollution)
fisrt abstract
2nd abstract

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ANALYSIS OF RED RAIN OF KERALA

Samples of a red rain that fell across the state of Kerala in India in July-August 2001 have been found to contain microscopic red cells (Louis and Kumar, 2006) of unknown origin. The early fall was associated with the 'thunder' and flash of a large meteor. They report that the cells appear to be very unusual in lacking a nucleus and DNA. Dr. Godfrey Louis kindly supplied us with a sample of this material for independent investigation in Cardiff.
High resolution electron microscopy has revealed internal structures as well as evidence of a replication cycle not commonly found in either bacteria or yeasts. These images are of thin cell slices viewed in the transmission electron microscope.
 
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The first (above) shows three cells around 3 micrometres in diameter, with thick cell walls and a variety of nanostructures within a membrane, but with no identifiable nucleus. Apparent holes in the cell wall are real. The cell on the right has larger holes and may have lost its cytoplasm.


These quotes from the last link. Anybody know anything about these labs in britain? Crazy crazy. You'd think Davey made it up. Fact is sometimes stranger than fiction. This one could go either way I guess.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,10:28   

Oops, forgot the wiki entry.
here.

worth a read for the overview.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2006,16:59   

maybe this is old news? any idea what is going on?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,10:11   

I don't know much about astobiology but why if the cells are extraterrestiral would they expect to find DNA?

  
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,11:06   

Hmmm. I think the question is: "Is it alien life?"

Life on Earth would have DNA. As far as I know, there isn't really any direct evidence for life "not from earth".

A. Is it life?
B. Does it have DNA?
C. Is it from outside our Biosphere?

Anyone know? It seems like a big deal to me.

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MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,11:17   

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19025455.400.html

One can't read the whole thing without a subscription, but it starts:

There appears to be an increasing tendency among scientists to come up with wild explanations when asked by the press to comment on unusual, novel phenomena. A good example is provided by comments about the recent Indian red rain phenomenon (4 March, p 34).

Red rain is morphologically similar to fungal spores or algae, as I have recently been able to confirm by microscope analysis of samples. There is no evidence that I am aware of to support suggestions that red rain is dust, sand, fat globules or blood.

From Gareth Jones

So Godfrey Louis rules out all possibilities apart from an extraterrestrial source for the red rain over India. Most meteorologists would be surprised to hear that over the course of two months, particles settling out of the upper atmosphere from a meteor airburst would be confined to such a small area.

For the upper atmosphere winds to not ...



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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,12:16   

this was already discussed, in this very forum, a few months back.

there is conclusive evidence the red stuff was algal spore cells, both via standard microscopic and genetic analysis.

I'm sure the thread will pop up if you do a search for it.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,18:48   

I searched all over. I haven't found anything like it. I did the the whole newscientist article and that wasn't the take there either, His deal was that there was just no evidence for extraterrestriality. The dna bit is what's wierd. Where are lab results posted. Any idea?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2006,19:28   

the origninal thread i was thinking of was back in early June:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=2135

I can't recall now who mentioned to me that the genetics had been done.  it might have been actually referenced in one of the papers cited in the thread.

like this one:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/redrain.htm

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