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Fross



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,16:46   

I got my "Intelligent Design" Google alert a few minutes ago.

Within five minutes I read an article where ID advocates were saying that "Darwinists" were suppressing science, and then I heard a science professor say that IDists are trying to supress science. (or repress it)

So is anyone truly suppressing science here?  I don't think that's anyone's intention, but one side is definitely capable of bringing science to a halt.

Now based on my understanding of science as a tool, I have to agree with the professor (i'm refering to Givnish's comments in a recent Wired article).   The best analogy I can think of is that IDists are trying to pour sugar into the gas tank of an engine because they believe the engine is worthless without sugar in it. Scientists are trying to suppress this action because they understand that the machine will freeze up.


Another funny, yet telling thing I found in my Google Alert were these comments made by self professed "Intelligent Design Proponents."  

"God created the world, but the opponents of Intelligent Design (ID) would have us believe that, if He did so, He did it without a trace – or that it would be unscientific to admit that you found His fingerprints on nature."  -Mark Coppenger



“It’s gonna be very difficult to use the courts,” (referencing the Dover decision) Alderman, who is a Christian, said. “The argument needs to be won in the universities...I’m confident that Genesis is true...God’s deity and power are revealed in the cosmos.”

-Tom Alderman

“Billions of years isn’t enough time,”  “Nobody has shown that a dog can become a cat."  -Geoffrey Simmons


"a creator designed the cell with impressive power and subtlety"    -Jim Long

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thurdl01



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,17:14   

But remember, ID isn't about...aw screw it.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,20:10   

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“It’s gonna be very difficult to use the courts,” (referencing the Dover decision) Alderman, who is a Christian, said. “The argument needs to be won in the universities...


I'm glad they now think this. There was always a fear they'd get ID/C in thru corrupt judges. If their plan now is to 'win it in the universities', they truly are screwed.

So let them waste their efforts.  :)

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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,23:47   

Anyone who thinks the fact that the probability of all the proteins of the flagellum spontaneously forming from random amino acid sequences is very low, is good reason to believe it is designed, is a bad scientist. Anyone who thinks that becuase we don't have a step by step mutational path for every protein we have to assume it didn't evolve is a bad scientist. Anyone who thinks that becuase evolutionary biology is partly examining the past means that the evidence can only be ambiguous and that all hypothesis must in the end be given equal weight, is a terrible scientist. Anyone who teaches that these things are acceptable is supressing science, because they will produce students who are unable to effectively practice science.

  
Renier



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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,00:06   

Well put Chris.

  
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