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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,10:25   

Ok, I'm maybe I'm slow, I can understand why fundies like William Dimwit, Behe, "Father May I" Wells deny any science that doesn't support the bible truths but why deny HIV?  

What motivates them to deny the HIV-AIDS relationship?  Is this just there way at getting at homos or just another way to chip away at the credibility of real science or?

I don't get it.  Why pick on people who are HIV positive?  What does this buy them and why would their followers care?

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,10:48   

Because it's a nice back handed way to make nasty remarks about, and engage in socially engineering away, people who have either Teh Gay or Teh Promiscuity (both evil diseases created by Teh Satan).

Fundies are interested in a few narrow things but primarily they are obsessed with fucking. Not just their own fucking, but everyone else's fucking. It's not enough that they have decided they have to fuck one way, they must make everyone else fuck that way too. If you want to put your peepee in another man's poopoo then you will get Teh Aidz, not because of some virus, but beacuse of Gawdz Judgement Upon You.

Frankly Aids denial, like Holocaust denial, like Antievolution, like various forms of anti-Enlightenment and anti-reason attitudes are just nothing more and nothing less that the standard human tendancy to want the world to agree with one's views rather than temporing one's views to the world.

Louis

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,11:29   

They are trying to move science away from naturalistic explanations and towards magical ones.  In the particular case of AIDS, the creationists have been advocating a magical explanation (Jebus hates teh homos) for years, so perhaps they see any attempt to find a naturalistic explanation as blasphemy.

There's a lot of overlap between the HIV denialists and the all-AIDS-patients-are-homos crowd, which also suggests a religious motivation - they need to address the question of why, if god is omnipotent and wants to punish gay men, he can't come up with something with better sensitivity and specificity than AIDS.

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,11:41   

HIV/AIDS/HIV-AIDS link denial isn't crea-only though. I've followed some discussions from people who were VERY anti-religion, but they definatly sad either AIDS is not caused by HIV, HIV has never been found or HIV simply doesn't exist. Hell, i've even seen someone deny that virusses cause disease! I'm still curious about the non-crea arguments, the crea arguments are too obvious and stupid anyway.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,11:53   

Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 06 2007,09:41)
HIV/AIDS/HIV-AIDS link denial isn't crea-only though. I've followed some discussions from people who were VERY anti-religion, but they definatly sad either AIDS is not caused by HIV, HIV has never been found or HIV simply doesn't exist. Hell, i've even seen someone deny that virusses cause disease! I'm still curious about the non-crea arguments, the crea arguments are too obvious and stupid anyway.

You're right, of course.  For some reason, this issue seems to attract woowoos and conspiracy theorists from all over the political/cultural map.

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,12:09   

Yup, to bad the discussions I followed are in Dutch, or else I would link there arguments. I don't know enough about virology to make sense of it.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,13:02   

Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 06 2007,12:09)
Yup, to bad the discussions I followed are in Dutch, or else I would link there arguments. I don't know enough about virology to make sense of it.

Are you Dutch yourself, Assassinator?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,13:05   

Yes :)

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,13:42   

Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 06 2007,13:05)
Yes :)

Evidently they teach English a lot better in the Netherlands than in Slovakia. ;)

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,14:45   

Haha it's not as good as you would expect :P Most of my english is self-taught, and still full of errors. In my last 2 years of high-school, they repeated 1st year grammar >.<
Anyway, I've tried to find some links about that guy who says virusses don't cause disease, but i can't find it anymore.

  
Seven Popes



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2007,22:15   

An excellent chance to prove that, because they have statistically the lowest incidences of aids, lesbians MUST be gods chosen people.   And that all sex must be lesbian.

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