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Date: 2008/06/09 06:57:15, Link
Author: utidjian
Ceiling Cat,

That was an excellent post. Too bad it won't/can't be posted at UD.

-DU-

Date: 2008/07/07 15:12:51, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 07 2008,14:51)
DS puts the smackdab on Jack Krebs:
   
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DaveScot
07/07/2008
10:57 am
Jack

The day someone in your camp uses the definition of Intelligent Design in our sidebar here is the day I’ll worry about your hypocritical self recommending I take a definition of secular humanism from secular humanists.

Pssst. Dave! Over here.

*furtive glance*

There IS no definition of ID on your side bar.

reciprocatingbill:

I just posted that I couldn't find one there (at UD). I looked for it earlier. But now it IS there. Under "Friends of Descent" header about 3 entries down.

-DU-

Date: 2008/07/28 09:49:52, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 28 2008,09:45)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 28 2008,09:36)
OlegT already cataloged this is the appropriate place, but:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-293183

   
Quote
5

William Dembski

07/28/2008

9:17 am
Bob O’H is no longer with this forum.


Sorry Bob; too much Genetics, not enough Genesis.

I wonder how Dave feels? No scientists left.

*sniff*

It was a good innings.

Damn sure was a good innings. I left a post at UD, right after your bannination:

"That is a shame. I rather liked reading Bobs challenges and how they were handled. I am also not so sure he was ever “with” this forum, but I get the meaning."

You will be missed but not missing it.

-DU-

Date: 2008/07/29 09:03:43, Link
Author: utidjian
Oh the Dark Matter TARD! (not on UD).

Perhaps angels push the galaxies around?

-DU-

Date: 2008/07/29 09:13:59, Link
Author: utidjian
Ooops forgot to add some quotes:

Quote
I think that scientist are just too smart to believe in God, so they seek their answers elsewhere. They say that there is no evidence for God, but what that means is that they cannot dig up a piece of Him and study it under a microscope.


and

Quote
They have already found the evidence for God, and yet they call that evidence, dark matter. If you don’t know the idea of dark matter, there is this uniform force, that is keeping the stars of our galaxy together, exerting a constant and uniform gravity field. This goes against the laws of physics.


and

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It is God who stops the galaxies from flying apart. So this is clear evidence of God’s existence. The sad thing is, that scientist cannot accept this, because of their prejudice against Him, and therefore make up these bizarre theories about something that cannot really exist, but is clearly there.


-DU-

Date: 2008/08/08 18:38:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (jeffox @ Aug. 08 2008,17:02)
Currently, I've been driving one of these:



Eats the diesel, though.  Technically, it's the world's first snowmobile.  :)   :)   :)   :)

Jeffox,

Nice T34. Looks like you stripped it down for more streamlined fuel efficiency (no baggage(or boxage)). I would love to drive one of those. There is a very nice one in a museum in London UK. I forget the name of the place but it has a HUGE naval gun out front.

I am greener than your tank with envy.

-DU-

Date: 2008/08/15 15:50:08, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (dhogaza @ Aug. 15 2008,12:45)
Heh, that got snuck in on June 2nd ... hope they don't peek over here and find out about it.  Well done, indeed, Pepek2008!

Damn that is funny!!!

I guess conservapedians[sic] don't read much about reality I guess.

-DU-

Date: 2008/08/23 16:17:25, Link
Author: utidjian
I couldn't find any town named "Butteville" it is just the school district name. It appears it serves the Weed CA community for grades K-8. The school district has a whopping total of 152 students for all 9 grades combined. The entire targeted 7th grade class is 15 students which is about 1/3 the size of the AP Bio class I took in high school. My high school (Berkeley High, Berkeley CA) offered about 12 sections of Biology at one level or another each semester. Roughly about 500 students took Biology each year.

Weed seems to be a fairly economically depressed community. Low median income, high unemployment, large proportion living below poverty line.

Doing a google maps on Weed CA and then a search for "church" yields quite a few. Some of them seem fundy.

The board president, Stephen Darger, term ends in 2010.

What is it with retired police officers and ID??

-DU-

Date: 2008/08/28 20:30:47, Link
Author: utidjian
Lou,

Outstanding series of posts. I haven't taken any regular biology classes since HS (physics major.)

One other test I thought of for your termites might have been:

Hypothesis: Is it the ink alone or an interaction with the ink and the paper.

Prediction: It is the ink alone. Mark out a new circle with the best ink (Squitchy Britches black pen) on the transparency film or on a clean sheet of frosted glass (so the ink will actually adhere.) See if the termite follows the ink.


Thanks again for a great series of posts. I will be watching this thread regularly.

-DU-

Date: 2008/10/02 11:29:17, Link
Author: utidjian
Some good posts following that up indicating how silly the comparison DT is trying to make. I wonder how long they will last.

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/06 23:05:01, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Nov. 06 2008,20:55)
Quote (olegt @ Nov. 06 2008,15:59)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 06 2008,15:55)
That's talking about the fine tuning constant, not the particular amount of gravitational force at any particular location.

Henry

Do you mean the fine structure constant?  It has nothing to do with gravity, it involves electricity and quantum physics.  I just can't imagine why gravity needs to be fine-tuned for life.  Can someone provide the context?

Maybe they mean the gravitational constant G?  I remember long ago when people were trying to see if it was changing.  Those fools didn't realize that the universe couldn't exist if G varies by 10^-40.

1 part in 10^40, hmmm.....

How the heck is whatever they are talking about being measured to that accuracy? I do experimental physics (undergrad research level) and I have no knowledge of any quantity that can even be measured to one part in 10^40.

Sometimes the Tard is just stultifying to even consider.

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/07 01:25:33, Link
Author: utidjian
stevestory,

Ah OK. I think I quoted the wrong post from TPH. In the one where he quotes planetwisdom(?) "To be exact, gravity must be fine-tuned to one part in 1040 (that's one part in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000)." (or some such.) Which is also gobbledy-gook.

I think where they may be getting it from is by comparing magnitudes of the electromagnetic force and the and the gravitational force which... between say a proton and an electron is about 10^39.

Are they suggestiong that if this were not "just right" that we wouldn't exist? Or are they just throwing out numbers to give their talks some scienciness?

We routinely (with some effort) measure "little" g in our lab to 5 places using a simple Kater pendulum, a photogate, and a very fast crystal clock.

We just got a new "Big" G apparatus and I haven't seen the students latest results. Wikipedia lists G to 5 places +/- 0.00067 (MKS).

I listened to the MP3 of the "tag team" session. It was interesting to note that Dembski said something about research in ID being quashed. About three years ago I signed up for the idurc (intelligent design undergraduate research center) yahoo group. This was just to see what was going on. There are about 86 members in the group. Last post to the group was back in late February 2007. I asked about any "research" going on and never got a reply.

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/16 16:45:57, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (olegt @ Nov. 16 2008,13:29)

olegt,

I read that entire bit of tard by Granville Sewell. It kinda reminds me of discussions one might have after a first semester Physics class and a couple of bong hits. Kinda revelling in buzzwords of Physics but not really knowing what they mean and how they got their meaning.

Thanks for your clarification and links on the origins of the Schroedinger Equation.

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/16 20:45:42, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (blipey @ Nov. 16 2008,17:46)
Quote (utidjian @ Nov. 16 2008,16:45)
Quote (olegt @ Nov. 16 2008,13:29)

olegt,

I read that entire bit of tard by Granville Sewell. It kinda reminds me of discussions one might have after a first semester Physics class and a couple of bong hits. Kinda revelling in buzzwords of Physics but not really knowing what they mean and how they got their meaning.

Thanks for your clarification and links on the origins of the Schroedinger Equation.

-DU-

An interesting read that addresses the beginnings of quantum theory and especially its mathematics is Peter Woit's Not Even Wrong.  It's pretty dense for a popular science book (I learned exactly what 26 hours of undergrad mathematics gets you--trying to remember what the hell 1/4 of it was and thankful that I didn't decide to be a maths major), but very interesting if you're into quantum theory and the short-comings of Superstring Theory.

Thanks blipey. I have added that book to my Amazon wishlist :)

I work at a small college in Northern NJ as the Physics Lab Coordinator (fancy name for technician) and I am still an undergrad in Physics. I can do and troubleshoot experiments, which is how I got the job. After eight years of this I have a pretty good grasp of experimental physics at the undergrad and even the gradate level. I understand the quantum mechanics stuff pretty well also and what the experiments are telling us and why the theory, so far, is correct. I am not, yet, so good at the math... but I am working on it.

Even with my limited theoretical knowledge I can see the bogosity in Granville Sewells argument. As I see it, the Schroedinger Equation is derivable from first principles starting with something as simple as a vibrating string. There are several other approaches depending on how low a level (mathematically) one wants to start from.

Thanks again for the book suggestion.

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/24 23:55:22, Link
Author: utidjian
Ptaylor,

All four comments are there for me. Try a Shift-Reload and see if they don't all show up.

Kinda lame the way the UD crowd tries to make a joke. They steal someone elses joke and cut out the funny part and it still doesn't quite work for them. Would this be a "jokemine"?

-DU-

Date: 2008/11/25 01:10:49, Link
Author: utidjian
Update... I guess I "fixed" that. The Chortle post has been Expelled.

I posted to UD the link to the original on monkeyfluids and mentioned the copyright. It was getting boring anyhow.

-DU-

Date: 2008/12/24 09:18:24, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 24 2008,08:47)
Paradoxically, that is one KF comment worth quoting in full -- for the laughs:
Quote
159

kairosfocus

[much drivel deleted]

GEM of TKI

WTF was all that about!!??

Reminds me of some of the papers that people diagnosed with ADHD write.

Thanks for 'preserving' that keiths. I just can't handle the raw TARD any more. I prefer to get my carefully selected TARD by reading what you guys distil from UD.

-DU-

Date: 2009/01/07 18:36:55, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 06 2009,11:30)
gil says:

 
Quote
I understand how it works. It throws stuff out so it doesn’t get perpetuated. How throwing stuff out creates new stuff is what I don’t understand.



One of the things I do running the physics labs where I work is machining. Machining is a subtractive process. The chips are removed (and recycled!) and I create something new. At the very basic level just about everything that humans make out of materials is a combination of additive (welding, gluing, screwing...), subtractive (cutting, machining, etching...) and formative (forging, casting, heat treating, bending...) processes.

Apparently Gil doesn't understand several hundred thousand years of tool and thing making. It is one of the ways we make stuff.

-DU-

Date: 2009/01/09 13:11:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Self-Seplicating Chemicals Evolve in Lifelike Ecosystem

I am afraid that much tard will come of that article. It would be nice to see the original paper.

-DU-

Date: 2009/01/26 02:29:31, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 26 2009,01:47)
How long before this shows up at UD as proof of ID?

Why? Because Abbie uses "machinery'? (and we all know that "machines" are "designed" by an "intelligence")

Woah!! What a head rush.... I think I am coming down with the tard. I feel sick :puke:

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/01 20:51:46, Link
Author: utidjian
Good work sledgehammer.

That is a very interesting discussion. I can only speculate on what sort of mental gymnastics an ID proponent like Durston has to go through to manage what said then and what he is saying now.

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/02 12:04:22, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 02 2009,11:52)
Bob O'H
Quote
sledgehammer can haz POTW icon?
seconded

Thoided!
(or is it Foisted! (?))

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/03 01:41:06, Link
Author: utidjian
Bob,

I seem to remember that she defended "Slimy" Sal Cordovas article that implied that Skatje was in to bestiality. Hard to find links on this stuff because many of the original posts and threads have been pulled off the intertubes.

I think somewhere here on AtBC there is a thread where FtK defends Sal.

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/04 19:51:58, Link
Author: utidjian
Venus Mousetrap:

I have often heard the creationists claim that 'Evolution is not a real science because it does not have a mathematical basis like Physics' (or words to that effect).

When it is something that I have an inclination to reply to I refer them to the Hardy-Weinberg Principle as a place to start. It reliably shuts them up about the 'no mathematical basis' claim.... at least in the current discussion.

I remember learning about H-W-P back in high school biology. IIRC we even did some simple example problems. That was over 30 years ago and I am fuzzy on any more details. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to dig up some 'demonstrations' of the application of H-W-P, no?

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/22 18:33:44, Link
Author: utidjian
LULZ! Good pick for a pic Abbie.

Too bad that series never made it.

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/22 20:43:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Nah if UD goes away or even starts to run dry there are always places like The Science and Origins Forum over at Christianity.com. There are some regulars and even sane posters. Bettawrekonize (who was here a while back and banned twice form UD) is on of their most prolific fountains of tard. For the weapons grade tard there is JHud and drmark. The moderator, Bonky, never disappoints.

Anyhow... just in case. it is always good to have a backup pusher when the others fall through.

-DU-

Date: 2009/02/24 02:40:18, Link
Author: utidjian
Wesley,

That is an interesting description. I have often wondered what makes a literalist and even many not so literalist Christians cling to their mistakes with such tenacity. Especially so in the presence of a non-believer.

I always assumed that it had more to do with pride rather than denial and fear. I am most likely wrong. Good thing it doesn't scare me to admit that ;-)

-DU-

Date: 2009/03/25 23:04:48, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 25 2009,21:36)
StevenB has no idea what he is talking about:  
Quote
Timeaus: I agree with your assessment. It appears that this Pope has already begun to detach himself from his advisors and their dubious orientation to the problem of evolution. It was he, after all, who coined the phrase “the intelligent project,” declared that Darwinism has not been proven, and fired Jerry Coyne, radical Darwinist and Vatican astronomer, all of which sent shock waves throughout the Catholic TE academy. I think he understands the importance of this issue, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he weighs in on it again in a year or two.

First, Jerry Coyne is a well-known evolutionary biologist at U. Chicago.  The Vatican Astronomer Observatory head was Fr. George Coyne.  

Second, Fr. Coyne wasn't fired.  At 73 years of age, he had been asking his superiors to find a new director and they finally did just that.

Olegt,

I fixed your linky and copy-pasted your comment over at UD.

Not sure why but it appears that my comments are not (yet) held in moderation limbo. Could be useful... not sure for what though.

-DU-

Date: 2009/03/25 23:08:17, Link
Author: utidjian
See if this works:


OK now?

-DU-

Date: 2009/03/31 22:47:07, Link
Author: utidjian
RTH,

That was such a friggin good one I couldn't resist posting your co-inky-dink on the UD. I wonder how long that one will last.

-DU-

Date: 2009/03/31 22:56:22, Link
Author: utidjian
OK... it is so damn close to 4/1 that I don't know whether to laugh at the pranks or at the usual UD shennannigans:

Linky

Quote
IMHO, he would have been better had he stuck to writing science fiction rather than trying his hand at movies. Sure, Citizen Kane was great, but seeing him in wine commercials toward the end of his life was pitiful.


-DU-

Date: 2009/04/06 19:54:46, Link
Author: utidjian
[quote=GCT,April 06 2009,18:02]
Quote (Jkrebs @ April 06 2009,10:26)

(1000th post!)

You talk to much.

-DU-

Date: 2009/04/15 18:35:35, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Texas Teach @ April 15 2009,17:17)
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 15 2009,00:47)
Well, it means they might work financially.  Perhaps we should start The Open Journal of Crank Science.

How about The Archived Research of Design Science?

Texas T,

I like it.

Are there any issues with respect to copyright of tardacious text from weblogs like UD? What I mean to say is, I understand there is no problem with quoting excerpts but what about whole comments? We seem to be able to do that here with impunity. I suppose a single (or even several) comments in their entirety could be considered an "excerpt" from the larger topic and thread. Must have correct attribution of course... where would the fun be if we didn't know who said what to whom. And so on, blah blah.

Damn I am tired. Tired of the Tard.

-DU-

Date: 2009/05/07 10:41:40, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 07 2009,10:19)
Quote (Bob O'H @ May 07 2009,10:08)
I <3 Tom English.  

"<3" ?

Is that teh interwebs symbol for "offer my bottom to"?

Heh... first time I saw that emoticon used I thought it would translate to:

I [am less of an ass then] Tom English.

or

I [have lesser boobs than] Tom English.

or

I [am less than three times] Tom English.

but I think it really means:

I [heart] Tom English.

Which, when ya think about it, makes even less sense than the other two.

K enough tare... back to the real tard.

-DU-

Date: 2009/05/12 20:30:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Zachriel @ May 12 2009,09:44)
Design detection (emphasis added).
Quote
Nakashima: Actually, Mr Chu-Carroll was being loose in his description of evolution as a search strategy. NFL would say that there are some spaces evolution does well in, some spaces where it equals a random walk, and some spaces where it does worse than a random walk, so that on average it equals the random walk in performance across all spaces.

By accepting NFL, Dr Dembski and the rest of us have to accept that evolution works, full stop. Really, the only remaining issue is whether the universe we inhabit is a search space tuned to make evolution easy, or not.

One approach to this question is to look at universes (fitness functions) where evolution fails to perform as well as a random walk. Dr David Goldberg at the University of Illinois studies deception in genetic algorithms.

Imagine a fitness surface like a bowl, with one point sticking up from the lowest point to reach just a little bit above the rim. That is a deceptive fitness function. All the information points away from the optimum. By tuning the parameters of the fitness function, it is possible to force an evolutionary algorithm to perform worse than a random search.

Is our universe deceptive? Or are its laws monotonic and regular over the scale of life in size, temperature and pressure? To the extent that the laws are regular, we should expect that we live in an evolution friendly universe. To the extent that the laws are deceptive, if we still saw evolution work, that would be evidence of some interference or assistance.

Wow... that is an interesting hypothesis. Good catch Zach. Be interesting to see what the TARD response is to that.

-DU-

Date: 2009/05/28 18:27:41, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 28 2009,15:24)
   
Quote (JLT @ May 27 2009,19:07)
 
I linked to this comment from my Facebook page. Allow me to share the response of a friend of mine who was previously unfamiliar with the denizens of UD, EN&V or the interconnected web of DiscoTARD:

     
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Let us fervently hope that this person does not ever, ever reproduce.


Unfortunately Behe has already reproduced, I think, about nine times already.

   
Quote

You never get a second chance to make a first impression.



Heh.

Short story:

I was at Lehigh University in November 2008 to attend a former students wedding. He had just completed his PhD in theoretical physics, was getting married, soon to do his post-doc at Ecole Polytechnique in Paris.
Anyhow... The wedding reception was held at the Humanities Center on campus. I arrived a bit early to set things up and make sure the booze was of the required quantity and quality. The Humanities Center is a very nice early 20th century house. The room we used for the reception was a large comfortable living room. It had built in book shelves with many "humanities" sorts of books. One book on a shelf near the window caught my eye because of its chromed cover. It was a very worn and beat up copy of The God Delusion (Dawkins, reprint 2008). This copy of TGD had been "critically" read by at least three people judging by all the notes in at least three different styles. Almost every page was commented and underlined in one way or another.
On a shelf above was also a copy of Darwin's Black Box (Behe, pub 1996) that was actually signed on the inside with what appeared to be Behe's signature. In contrast this copy of DBB did not appear to ever have been read by  anyone. The shelf was near a window and the pages of DBB appeared to have yellowed a bit around the top edges.

Make of it what you will.

Date: 2009/06/09 21:40:59, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 09 2009,19:56)
Quote (keiths @ June 09 2009,18:02)
The tard keeps on flowing. Clive Hayden:
     
Quote
In my own opinion, all of nature could be considered supernatural

Gotta love it. And, somehow, this comports with Gil's mutating hardware.

Why... that is almost .sig-worthy.

Good job Clive!

-DU-

Date: 2009/06/10 11:51:21, Link
Author: utidjian
Just looked at the Mendel's Accountant website:
http://mendelsaccountant.info
and the sourceforge page... seems that a.) there is no longer a Linux version and b.) there is no source. Which leads me to wonder why it is on sourceforge to begin with. I am not aware of a requirement that source also be posted but... just seems strange to post it without the source on sourceforge.

-DU-

Date: 2009/06/10 14:10:39, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 10 2009,12:47)
Quote

Sam, AKA Ansgar Seraph writes,

 
Quote
I'd be more than happy to run experiments for people and provide full outputs and plots. Let me know if it gets off the ground and I'll join the thread over there to see what's needed.

You might want to let the person who asked about source code know that it's included in the installer on SourceForge. Dumb way to package source code but I don't think they're really trying to be terribly transparent, anyhow.

Thanks for the invitation to help! I like the title a lot.


I suggest moving the discussion to a differnt thread. What was the thread you had in mind, Wes?

Dr. GH,

Where did you read that (the Sam thing)?

-DU-

and thanks... but now I gotta boot to Windows :( Ithink there used to be a linux util for unpacking Windows installers but I forget what it is called. Perhaps I will try it in Wine.

Date: 2009/06/11 00:05:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 10 2009,20:15)
I'd suggest that analysis of Mendel's Accountant primarily go on the evolutionary computation thread.

Thanks Wes, Headed over there.

And thanks Dr. GH.

-DU-

Date: 2009/06/11 00:18:06, Link
Author: utidjian
Ok... I downloaded the .exe files. Both the earlier version and the update from sourceforge.

I am running Linux (Fedora 10) on a Intel iMac with 1G of RAM.

I unpacked the files with Wine. First the older version and then the newer one. Man it installs a lot of stuff.

The Linux source is in
/home/utidjian/.wine/drive_c/Mendel/Source
on my system. Not much in there.

listing:
Code Sample

[utidjian@istrain Source]$ ls -ogh
total 416K
-rw-rw-rw- 1 4.5K 2008-09-13 17:38 common.h
-rw-rw-rw- 1  587 2008-09-07 22:00 Interface back-end.lnk
-rw-rw-rw- 1  661 2008-09-07 22:00 Interface front-end.lnk
-rw-rw-rw- 1  985 2008-09-01 20:51 Makefile
-rw-rw-rw- 1 165K 2008-10-01 06:15 mendel.f
-rw-rw-rw- 1 163K 2008-09-05 22:00 mendel.f.bak
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1.9K 2008-09-18 18:57 mendel.in
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1.5K 2008-09-04 03:20 mpi_mendel.f
-rw-rw-rw- 1  42K 2006-03-01 13:02 random_pkg.f90
-rw-rw-rw- 1 1.3K 2007-01-15 09:50 sort.f90


The main file in there is mendel.f. Lots of comments. I can "read" Fortran but I don't know diddly about Population Genetics.

Time for bed.

-DU-

Date: 2009/06/11 12:17:52, Link
Author: utidjian
Is anyone else playing with the source (or even reading it)?
I also found this file in the Source folder:

Code Sample

[utidjian@buttle Source]$ cat mendel.in
       1000    pop_size
        500    num_generations
          1    fitness_distrib_type:exponential_mutation_effect
          2    selection_scheme:unrestricted_probability_selection
         23    haploid_chromosome_number
       1000    num_linkage_subunits
   0.000000    pop_growth_rate
          0    pop_growth_model:fixed_population
  3.000e+08    haploid_genome_size
  6.0000000    offspring_per_female
  0.0000000    fraction_random_death
  0.0000000    fraction_self_fertilization
 10.0000000    new_mutn_per_offspring
  0.0010000    high_impact_mutn_fraction
  0.1000000    high_impact_mutn_threshold
  0.0010000    uniform_fitness_effect_del
  0.0000000    multiplicative_weighting
  1.000e-05    tracking_threshold
  0.0000000    fraction_recessive
  0.0000000    recessive_hetero_expression
  0.5000000    dominant_hetero_expression
  0.0000000    frac_fav_mutn
  0.0010000    max_fav_fitness_gain
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Anything interesting in there?

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Date: 2009/06/20 20:17:03, Link
Author: utidjian
No sockulating from me. I seem to have unfettered posting privs at UD... but I am not clever enough to run a really good sock. Much more fun watching the AtBC regulars run them. I hardly ever read UD any more... the TARD is so thick there now that it is just too powerful for me.

I also scan some fundie forums like
this one from time to time. (Be warned the god soaked tardology on that site can be toxic.) At least their TARD isn't pretending to be non-religous, nor are they claiming any expertise in the sciences.

Reading AtBC threads of UD (and other TARD) is like watching really bad sci-fi on MST3K... it makes it all into entertainment.

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Date: 2009/06/21 15:15:16, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (khan @ June 21 2009,11:18)
Quote (utidjian @ June 20 2009,21:17)
I also scan some fundie forums like
this one from time to time. (Be warned the god soaked tardology on that site can be toxic.) At least their TARD isn't pretending to be non-religous, nor are they claiming any expertise in the sciences.

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The tard is strong there:

Hello,

I just wanted to let you know that links to websites that are anti-Christians are not allowed on our website. From now any posts that link to talkorgins.org or similar websites will be removed or edited.

Sincerely,
Lisa Luper
Moderator

Yeah. Lisa Luper is the new mod of that section. There only used to be a drive-by mod... and it was a much more "liberal" back then. Lisa is also a self confessed second generation homeschooler who has no training in science. She can't even get basic logic correct.

You may recognize a few names like:
Bettawrekonize. I think Betta has been here and over on UD. He (or she) was banned from UD back when DT was moderator.

SFS. Actually has some good arguments and is on our side.

JHud: Is quite the obfuscator. Claims to have a degree in Biology from U Iowa (or something.) He seems to have the most cachet amongst the creotards.

DrMark: A bible thumping IDiot.

GHitch: Another thumper.

DanJames: Kind of interesting. A solid creotard but he appears to be an honest creotard (in the Kurt Wise sense.) I think he is an undergrad in biochemistry. He trots out some old long debunked creationist claims and will adjust his views to accommodate real evidence. He does not think of scientists as all a bunch of dishonest charlatans (as DrMark does.)

Illuvatar: good guy.

Veritas: good guy.

I rarely ever post there any more. Whenever I do it really ticks off JHud. But in that sense it is worth it... just to see him froth. I prefer to play a close hand over there. Only bother when I can really zing JHud.

Anyhow... I keep tabs on the place just to see what the rank-and-file tards are thinking. Also interesting to read their "Current Events" forum.

I was sort of amazed to see that in the thread "have you changed your mind since you came here?" that 12% (3) of the respondents chose:"i used to be yec, now i believe in evolution" as their answer.

The restriction on TO linking was added when Luper became moderator.

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Date: 2009/06/24 20:23:45, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2009,20:21)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 24 2009,19:50)
Quote (afarensis @ June 24 2009,17:25)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ June 24 2009,17:04)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2009,12:57)
Come back Chatterbox. I has questions on the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis.

Richard - I just read THIS book, and the author absolutely despises Whorf...I get the impresson he relates to Whorf the way we ATBCers relate to posts by O'Leary, Dembski and Gordon...

Good book BTW ... with a surprise ending.  Who knew?

Our Magnificent Bastard Tongue

added in edit:  Author thinks Whorff has head up his ass and his hypothesis idea makes as much sense as ID -(I'm paraphrasing, but that's the idea).

Feh! The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis was an interesting idea for its time and did generate some testable hypotheses. Turned out to be wrong, but thems the breaks.

It turned out to have been grossly overstated, but not totally wrong. Our languages do shape how we report experiences, and to some extent can limit perception- not biologically however.

Could we optimise language for thought?

Does vocabulary and syntax effect the 'quality' of thought?

The Thought Word of the Day is:

Hmmmmm....

I feel smarter already.

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Date: 2009/07/01 12:13:29, Link
Author: utidjian
Just had to share this one from Christian Forums:

Quote
Quote
Cow451:
If one does not believe in evolution, it seems curious as to how one can blame evolution for all these bad things. But that's what anti-evolution people do..

JHud (Jack Hudson):
Well that is ironic in a sense, but it really comes down to the ways we discuss evolution.

Creationists and others might blame the concept of evolution for motivating certain disastorous events and actions, whereas logically an evolutionist would see the process of evolution for being ultimately responsible for human choices which led to those same events.

One of course could see it in both senses, leading to the ironic conclusion that the best way to avoid those inclinations evolution created in us is to not believe in evolution!
(emphasis in the original)

And the creotards will eat that kind of creologic up.

The problem with the above is that there were plenty of wars, famine and natural disasters long before the concept of evolution even existed. Therefore the concept of evolution could not possibly be responsible for thousands of years of wars, famine, and natural disasters.

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Date: 2009/07/01 12:17:53, Link
Author: utidjian
ETA: May be time to put on my socks.

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Date: 2009/07/03 07:04:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 01 2009,22:31)
hahahahaha at Poythress

in addition to being deep cover pomo Poythress wrote his own wiki entry.  loser.

How did you figure that out? I looked that "History" of the wikipedia page and I can't see that he created any of it nor edited any of it.

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Date: 2009/07/30 12:33:19, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 30 2009,10:01)
I'm trying to get the fine tuning thing straight in my head. According to the fine tuning conjecture and current understanding of cosmic expansion, our universe will be habitable for approximately .000000000000001 percent of its existence, and this is evidence for design.

Yeah I don't "get" the fine tuning argument so much either. What I find more interesting and more critical to "the existence of the universe as we know it" (or whatever) is not the, so called, fine tuning of various physical constants but that in the various laws and relationships in physics we have have factors like 1/r² (inverse square law) and that the "square" is exactly 2. I know this holds for Newtons law of gravitation but I am not sure about Einsteins general relativity. I suppose that G could vary a little bit (or even a lot) and we would just see a different universe if there was anything to see at all. Same thing in Coulomb's law. I guess it just "follows from the geometry" but I don't see why it has to.... just that it does.

midwifetoad, do you have a linky for that number?

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Date: 2009/07/30 23:00:34, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 30 2009,16:52)
Quote (utidjian @ July 30 2009,12:33)
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 30 2009,10:01)
I'm trying to get the fine tuning thing straight in my head. According to the fine tuning conjecture and current understanding of cosmic expansion, our universe will be habitable for approximately .000000000000001 percent of its existence, and this is evidence for design.

Yeah I don't "get" the fine tuning argument so much either. What I find more interesting and more critical to "the existence of the universe as we know it" (or whatever) is not the, so called, fine tuning of various physical constants but that in the various laws and relationships in physics we have have factors like 1/r² (inverse square law) and that the "square" is exactly 2. I know this holds for Newtons law of gravitation but I am not sure about Einsteins general relativity. I suppose that G could vary a little bit (or even a lot) and we would just see a different universe if there was anything to see at all. Same thing in Coulomb's law. I guess it just "follows from the geometry" but I don't see why it has to.... just that it does.

midwifetoad, do you have a linky for that number?

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I believe my number first appears here:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y150185

But seriously, what does the exact number matter? According to currently understood trends, the universe will pull itself apart, stars will die, even atoms will cease to cohere, but the existence of matter will continue for much longer than the lifetime of stars and galaxies.

That's the big freeze theory. There's also the big rip theory, which Douglas Adams seemed to favor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. So clear, in fact, that it completely obliterated what I was thinking of. I think it had something to do with me thinking it was some thread or comment on UD that you were commenting on.

After reading your linkages I see your point. You could even be off by dozens of orders magnitude... but like you said... what does it matter.

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Date: 2009/07/31 18:32:53, Link
Author: utidjian
midwifetoad,

Thanks. That is an interesting perspective on the FTU numbers game that the tards are always playing.

I suppose that one could also argue that even the world, throughout its history, is not all that "finely tuned" for our existence. I seem to remember a talk by Neil deGrasse Tyson on that subject or one very similar. ::me heads over to youtube to find it::

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Date: 2009/08/01 09:41:41, Link
Author: utidjian
KF is truly amazing. I don't think I have ever run a cross a kook that can crank out so much tard and other goofiness at the rate he does. Hard to imagine him being gainfully employed at any job that requires more than a couple hours a week in order to get paid. Anyone know his occupation?

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Date: 2009/08/07 13:30:08, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (keiths @ Aug. 07 2009,12:25)
Dave is a tard's tard.

Has anyone seen ol' Scooter in the blogosphere lately?

I think he showed up on Pandas Thumb recently.... (digging for reference)

Found it, linky. There are several others from "springer" further down in the comments.

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PS (for concerned onlookers) I think this is the first time I answered a question on AtBC! ::toasts self::

Date: 2009/08/15 09:12:19, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 14 2009,20:38)
 
Quote (MichaelJ @ Aug. 14 2009,21:20)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 14 2009,10:36)
   
Quote
7 –> The following Sunday, the tomb is open and empty, and the former occupant, over the following forty days, appears to, eats and converses with his friends, family and followers, including making breakfast and having a fairly public meeting with over 500.

8 –> These 500 become the core of a culture-transforming movement that was unstoppable by even fire and sword.

How do you know the resurrection happened?
There were 500 witnesses to Jesus rising from the dead.
What evidence is there for the 500 witnesses?
It is in the Bible.
How do we know that the Bible is true?
It is the word of God.
How do we know it is the word of God?
There were 500 witnesses to Jesus rising from the dead.
WTF

Same argument is used by Orthodox Jews, but with 600,000 adult males witnessing the giving of the Torah on Mt Sinai, with extra goodness like "you could never get 600,000 Jews to agree about anything, therefore it must be true!"

I have used a similar argument against Apollo Moon Mission deniers:

It is extremely unlikely that, after all these years, not a single scientist, engineer, or technician of the tens of thousands that were involved in the project would not have come forward by now and denied that it really happened.

Main difference between the resurrection and the torah thing and the Apollo Mission being that many of the witnesses are still alive today. That and a tremendous amount of hard data and evidence.

Whatever the difficulties, Jules Verne's From Earth to the Moon, published in 1865 is more believable than the bible.

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Date: 2009/08/19 14:30:01, Link
Author: utidjian
My comment on the Water-strider thread hasn't been dissappearinated yet but just in case:

Linky

Texty
Quote


Hunter @ (3):

Quote
Is it conceivable that this gene that causes (or helps to cause) the formation of the limbs is not the blind cause of the original appearance of the limbs, as the evolutionist so claims?


Where in the article does it claim that this gene is responsible for the “original appearance of the limbs”?

Quote
   In other words, is it possible that the evolutionary account (which roughly is that there was this bug a long time ago which suffered some mutations which happened to result in a regulatory protein modifying the limb lengths just right so the bug could start to walk on water; it worked pretty well and some more mutations came along and made it work even better; and then some more mutations, and it worked really well) is not true?


Which is an interesting question. Have you ever noticed that many different kinds of insects can support themselves on water? I have. Most ants I have seen manage it quite well, even flies. Ants and flies are not well adapted to living on water but it is a start. All that is necessary is that their body weight not exceed the ability of the surface tension of the water to hold them up.

Certainly it is possible that the current evolutionary explanation as presented in the paper is incorrect. Did you read the paper?

What is more amazing to me is that somehow nature managed to evolve legs that just reach the water.


I was going to get in on the Dembski paper thread but I figured that commenting on that was not as important as finishing watching Alien vs Predator: Requiem

Seems that others got the message across to Dr. Dr. anyhow.

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Date: 2009/08/27 07:40:36, Link
Author: utidjian
From a Xtian forum:

Quote
shakezula:
i still don't understand why creationists get adjective happy.
Quote
drmark:
We enjoy the intelligent design of verbage. :)



From Dictionary.com:
Quote

verbage spelling, jargon
/ver'b*j/ A deliberate misspelling and mispronunciation of verbiage that assimilates it to the word "garbage". Compare content-free. More pejorative than "verbiage".
(1996-12-13)


I can agree with that... indeed, I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Date: 2009/08/28 07:50:06, Link
Author: utidjian
RBill,

Was that a real UD webpage? I looked for it at UD and couldn't find it.

I do vaguely remember the Baylor Regents phone number brouhahah but I wasn't aware that Dembski "notpologized" for it.

If the page is (or was) real, I wonder why it was pulled (and a good catch for whoever snapshotted it.)

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Date: 2009/08/28 10:37:00, Link
Author: utidjian
RBill,

Thanks for the clarification. I find it sometimes a bit difficult to keep up with the shenanigans of UD and the parodies of UD posted here. I have been Poe'd.

I agree with J-Dog, your notpology was more accurate and gracious in tone than the real one.

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Date: 2009/11/15 14:59:24, Link
Author: utidjian
My comments on UD rarely get moderated long (if at all.) But then I rarely comment here or at UD.

BTW... in response to an earlier request: I am de-lurking.

Hi all. I don't say much because all you pro-tards seem to do an excellent job as it is. Very difficult to handle the pure tard at UD without the filtering and additional comments that go on here.

I very much admire the patience and sheer fortitude of Allen MacNeil... and many of the regular socks over at UD. Allen is un-usually polite considering the abuse they throw at him. I guess they kind of have to put up with(???) Allen since he did a summer seminar at Cornell on ID. He (in fact an ID proponent/student) ran the blog for the class and had it open to public contribution. The moderation policy was MUCH more fair and consistent than UD. Come to think of it that is an unfair comparison. The arbitrary "policies" for commenting and moderation at UD are absurd. In my mind their moderation practices at the UD blog are the second most important factor in determining how the public perceives ID (and ID proponents.) Of course... the most important factor is the idiocy of the articles themselves.

Why am I telling you all this... you know it! It is the whole reason for AtBC UDT3.

OK... back to lurking.

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Date: 2009/12/07 09:57:46, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 06 2009,16:20)
Quote (Reg @ Dec. 06 2009,15:54)
Dembski:
     
Quote
olin: I doubt the ID community has a single view about global warming and humanity’s role in it. What many of us in that community have a problem with is the abuse of science to further political ends, which we find exemplified both among proponents of Darwinism and among proponents of AGW.

My irony meter just went off-scale and needs resetting.

Seriously, if there is a suicidal sock out there, he/she should remind the good Doctor2 of s couple of the 20 year goals in the Wedge Document.
   
Quote
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.

To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

Done

Since I have been such a wussy UDer I don't need no steenking moderation! Perhaps that will change soon. See how long it lasts anyhow.

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Date: 2009/12/11 01:27:00, Link
Author: utidjian
RDK,

From your YouTube link:

Quote
This video has been removed because it is too long. Regular YouTube videos must be 10 minutes or less.


Try again?

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Date: 2010/02/18 00:20:47, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (socle @ Feb. 17 2010,21:44)
I suppose now would be a bad time to start a discussion on the Eucharist over there.

Done.

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Date: 2010/02/18 21:28:56, Link
Author: utidjian
CannuckianYankee
Quote
Nakashima-san “and our societies provide the external reference”

tribuney: “But what provides the external reference for our societies?”

I wonder about this as well, because the Darwinists insist that the earth is not a closed system when talking about the laws of thermodynamics, yet they insist that society is a closed system when it comes to morality. There seems to be some cherry picking going on here, which contributes to an overall inconsistency with materialism.


So, ummmm... morality comes from the sun and from the heat of thermonuclear reactions within the earth?

I think that is what is called a "category error."

Quote
Society can no more be an external reference for morality than rain can be an external reference for oceans. We still need to ask where the rain came from.


I know, I know.... it comes from the sky!?

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Date: 2010/04/22 22:23:19, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (olegt @ April 22 2010,17:46)
Vincent Torley has just smashed the UD record for long-windedness with a post just shy of 10,000 words (9,710 to be exact).  Here it is: In Praise of Subtlety.  I think Vincent is trying to argue that Thomas Aquinas would approve of ID had he lived to this day.  (Who the fuck cares?  I don't give a damn whether Newton would approve of quantum mechanics.  Einstein didn't, but it hardly matters.)  

Anyway, the post contains some juicy pieces that surviving socks must be dying to tear into.  Like this one:
 
Quote
(e) Is a water molecule made in a laboratory an artifact? That depends on how it’s made. If scientists just ran a spark through a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen to make water, then it’s not an artifact; they’re just taking advantage of the laws of nature. But if they could bring two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen together by manipulating the individual atoms, then they’re not just riding on the coat-tails of nature. Rather, they’re inputting some specified information into the system to create the molecule. In that case, I’d call it an artifact.


For all his sophistry, Torley hasn't progressed all that much past Joe G.  Like a cake, a molecule contains "all the information required to make it."

Olegt,

Wow! fnxtr's earlier comment came immediately to mind after reading that. I just couldn't resist sacrificing my sock over at UD:

Link
Quote
VJT,

Congratulations.

That Argument Regarding Design is so big, that there are little arguments orbiting around it.

HT: To fnxtr, Mojo Nixon, and Skid Roper.


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Date: 2010/05/02 03:11:44, Link
Author: utidjian
I figured I would take a peek at ratemyprofessor.com to see if Dembski had an entry... and he does:
William Dembski at SBC

Loved this entry:
Quote
You could NOT design a worse professor.

(bolding mine)

Last entry was in March of 2007. Perhaps he hasn't been teaching much in the past three years.

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Date: 2010/05/02 04:56:34, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (DiEb @ May 02 2010,04:36)
Quote (MichaelJ @ May 02 2010,04:33)
Quote (DiEb @ May 02 2010,19:10)
From Bio-Diversity's Author Guidelines:

   
Quote
To facilitate review, manuscripts should be prepared as MS Word documents (in Times or Times New Roman 12 pt with 1.5 line spacing) with numbered pages, complete with all elements (figures, tables, equations, etc.) that should be present in the final published PDF file.


They don't expect many mathematicians to publish there, I suppose...

What do mathematicians normally do?

LaTeX/TeX (it really depends on their age, I presume)

It isn't easy to generate mathematical formulas in Word - and they look like crap.

Agreed, for math there is little substitute for TeX/LaTeX. Word has always sucked for doing math. Many of my physics colleagues use Word for physics though. I prefer LyX (basically a GUI for LaTeX.) Are mathematicians still using plain TeX/LaTex?

I suppose I could go down tha hall and ask some of our new professors but... not too many of them here at 6AM on a Sunday :P

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Date: 2010/05/11 08:36:01, Link
Author: utidjian
Does Gordon E. Mullings have a MSc. in Physics? Linky
Apparently his office isn't just in the Administration Building, it IS the Administration Building. I guess it depends on how you interpret it. Seems he is teaching an evening class in Intro to Philosophy. Gosh that must be a fun class. Anyone know what his day job is?

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Date: 2010/05/25 21:18:16, Link
Author: utidjian
Oh man... just read that navel thread. I haven't read the direct tard in a while. I usually get it from here condensed and sanitized. That whole thread is why I am actually glad that UD is around. The whole thing is an example of Poe's Law.

Like Nakashima (congratulations BTW on your engagement) I wanted to ask BA^77 WTF he thought was so damning of evolution in his linked article on stromatolites.

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Date: 2010/07/23 11:06:55, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Amadan @ July 23 2010,05:50)
I prophesise spilt lukewarm Coffee! over this.

David Brooks is actually OK for a conservative. I think I would more likely call him a "progressive" than a conservative since he fits almost none of the current "conservative movement"-neocon-Republican profiles.

Interesting op-ed anyhow.

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Date: 2010/07/28 00:15:25, Link
Author: utidjian
My guess is that their mods will consider being told that they are wrong as "flaming" and not allow those comments through. Especially so if the are told definitively, with examples, references, logic, and evidence and whatnot to back it up.

Date: 2010/11/12 15:45:27, Link
Author: utidjian
Not sure where to post this but I keep getting these funny emails from linkedln for a Gordon Mullings. According to his linkedln page he is a "Service Delivery Consultant at Bank of America".

I am just wondering how linkedln made the connection between he and I.

Ah well...

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Date: 2011/01/26 12:12:46, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 26 2011,10:52)
PaV does physics

Oh my that is some rich tard.

So, umm... apparently Maxwell's Demon is Jesus, or something?

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Date: 2011/02/07 10:13:35, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 07 2011,05:44)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/careers-in-science-desk-from-successful-scientist-all-the-way-up-to-freelance-science-writ


er/#comment-372003]Robert Byers:[/URL]
 
Quote
...
Poker and dirtbiking too.


Interesting. So this is what Byers was observing to come to his conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Van_Vugt
For the record... I suck at dirtbiking.

Quote

And so on.


Perhaps he should look at other endeavours, like dog-sled racing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Butcher

Yeah whatever.

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[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/careers-in-science-desk-from-successful-scientist-all-the-way-up-to-freelance-science-writ


er/#comment-372003]Robert Byers:[/URL]
 
Quote
...
Poker and dirtbiking too.


Interesting. So this is what Byers was observing to come to his conclusion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_Van_Vugt
For the record... I suck at dirtbiking.

Quote

And so on.


Perhaps he should look at other endeavours, like dog-sled racing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Butcher

Yeah whatever.

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Date: 2011/02/07 10:14:49, Link
Author: utidjian
Bah... preview FAIL!

Date: 2011/03/20 20:30:12, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Acipenser @ Mar. 20 2011,18:25)
uh oh....knowledge of the fate of Sewell's paper is about to be revealed to KF.....expect much bloviations about oil soaked somethings and more Lewontin quotes

 
Quote
KF:
PS: Thanks for the update on a broken link. Dr Sewell must have moved a page. I’ll have to go hunt it down. Hope I don’t have to go all the way to the Internet Archive!

But, by jove, (or whatever) he WILL get to the bottom of it because he is the GEM of TKI and "on the job."

Can you imagine what it might be like to have the crew at UD as a CSI team? I think there would be much hilarity if they made a TV series out of it.

Any volunteers for story writer or should we just lift it straight from UD?

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Date: 2011/03/25 12:24:26, Link
Author: utidjian
I think that this thread, and the related one at UD, has been one of the best ever. Mathgrrl has succeeded in getting at (not to) the crux of the ID problem, addressing it directly, with the UD regulars scurrying around like cockroaches with the lights turned on. The lights have been turned on before by Zachriel, nakashima, and many many others with the same effect. The difference this time seems to be that Mathgrrl is the one with her hand on the switch. Presumably, O'Leary's hand is on the breaker.

I am wondering how Mathgrrl got "invited" in the first place. Did she ask O'Leary? Did O'Leary ask her? What was O'Leary thinking? What is she thinking now? Was O'Leary's account hacked?

I want Mathgrrl to be the mother of my children... if not, then their tutor or, at the very least, pass through her classroom. Damn good stuff.

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Date: 2011/03/25 23:43:46, Link
Author: utidjian
Mathgrrl over on Mathgrrl on CSI thread in response to a comment by Alan Fox:
Quote
Alan:
Quote

Hyvin tehty, Mathgrrl!

You seem to have built on the achievements of some earlier ID critics who were prepared to go that extra mile in an attempt to communicate. Fascinating to see how things will turn out.

Mathgrrl:
Quote

Alan,

I stand on the shoulders of socks?


LINKY

So, I think, all those socks can take a bow.

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Date: 2011/03/28 07:03:45, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 28 2011,06:14)
Irony, Gordon is your name:
Quote
I notice that Mathgrrl has not returned, and that she has yet to demonstrate her calculating prowess. Until she gets her hands dirty with some raw numbers, and attempts to perform some real calculations, I shall remain skeptical of her claim to be mathematically proficient.


Tard.

Right you are.

Of the few equations and calculations I have ever seen in Dembskis books and online and on UD I have never seen anything that took much "mathematical proficiency." For the most part it could be handled with a scientific calculator (if that) and a college algebra level of math. Heck not even that... it is just arithmetic: Punch in the numbers and out pops an answer.
The equations that Tulse posted in #317 are more "mathematically challenging" than any of Dembskis. None of the values in those equations are particularly tricky to determine because they are clearly and unambiguously defined. None of the values in those equations are particularly difficult to measure... well it might be kind of difficult to measure the exact number of molecules (N) in a sample of a gas but one can get close enough.

The UDtards seem to be stumbling on several things... but mainly a clear definition of CSI and how to measure it.

On the one hand, it seems to me, that calculating the CSI (or whatever) for Mathgrrls first scenario should be simple. A simple gene duplication... however that is measured, will increase the CSI... BUT they don't want to admit that this is possible.

The UDtards seem to be frantically throwing objections at the use of their own methods to show that their conclusions are wrong.

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Date: 2011/03/28 14:54:39, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 28 2011,13:06)
Quote
PaV: CSI is given in “bits”. Specified complexity is a “number”.

A bit is just a binary digit. They're both just counts of binary digits, i.e. numbers.

Zachriel,

I was gonna get there eventually. ;)

Pretty amazing thread (the Mathgrrl thread). She is even being nice to KF. She must be pretty busy (and focussed) to wade through KFs blatherings. Do other UDders actually read KFs stuff?

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Date: 2011/03/30 11:37:42, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 30 2011,10:07)
Gordon E Mullings is kairosfocus, in other words a garrulous chirping tard

<snip horseshit points a through fucking t for christs sake>

Quote
PS: The follow up thread posted by VJT here is significant and responsive to the themes in this thread. I thank him for taking the time and making the effort to do the detailed calculations and analysis on WD’s CSI metric that I just don’t have time to even look at attempting. I only add that there are several possible metrics of the CSI in various forms.




this idiot has the time to spew over 1000 words of garbage in this post then has the blinkered audacity to say some shit like that.  I would like to see Gordon E Mullings fight eyeball worms

I try to avoid reading anything by the GEM of TKI. Much better to get it filtered here. I feel palpably dumber any time I have attempted to read any of his screed. Well I guess the same goes for just about anything at UD.

With the Mathgrrl thread though... it has actually been an interesting couple of days. Wasted a lot of time on it. I can only imagine how Mathgrrl feels after reading all that crap in response to her requests. She is made of tougher stuff than I am.

I think I learned a lot though. It was in a more condensed form of the same ground that has been covered here on AtBC for years now.

Thanks Mathgrrl.

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Date: 2011/03/30 12:52:44, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 30 2011,11:09)
Joe is trying to become Mullings:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-375672

I think Joseph is trying to say "You choked, therefore I win." (or something)

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Date: 2011/03/30 16:52:58, Link
Author: utidjian
Well I think I burned my sock. Oh well...

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Date: 2011/03/31 08:17:27, Link
Author: utidjian
I bought a few copies of the "Digital Cuttlefish Vol. 1" by the Digital Cuttlefish as presents for friends from lulu.
Perhaps some day we can get all our ID reading materials from lulu.

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Date: 2011/03/31 08:46:10, Link
Author: utidjian
Heh Carlsonjok I just skimmed that thread at  UD you (tiny)linked to. None of the commenters there 5 years ago are still active. We know what happened to d'Tard but what about the rest of them?

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Date: 2011/03/31 13:49:34, Link
Author: utidjian
I liked this part of PaV's post:

Quote
So, it’s CSI is 196 bits; far less than the needed 500. Therefore, we cannot conclude—without knowing its causal history—that it is “designed”.

Q.E.D.


So... lemme see if I got this right. If we know it's causal history and that causal history tells us that it was designed then it was designed, yes?

or shorter... If we know it was designed then it was designed.

Q.E. tardfuckin D.

Or perhaps PaV means if there was another "304 bits or more" longer (304+196=500 in my world) then he can say, Eureka! we have CSI?

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Date: 2011/03/31 16:14:24, Link
Author: utidjian
Nakashima, this one... I like! :D

     
Quote
Rabbit egg + human DNA,
combined in a particular way
= human stem cells,
the contradiction of Wells,
and the limerick of Nakashima!


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You linky is busticated (lets see if this works):

Nope... can't get it to work.

Date: 2011/03/31 18:48:02, Link
Author: utidjian
Looks like the UDiots were busy listening to a debatey-baity between WL Craig and Lawrence Krauss.
Online_debate

In the discussion at UD linkage much hilarity and tardity ensues.

I watched it also and Krauss seemed a bit scattered and disorganized. As if he drank too much dense coffee. If he is going to get into debates with tards he should practice a bit more. His talks are much better when not batting tardisms.

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Date: 2011/04/01 10:54:17, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Louis @ April 01 2011,10:25)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 01 2011,16:23)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 31 2011,09:08)
This is interesting.
 
Quote
MathGrrl March 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm
eric,

[snip]

By the way, it has come to my attention that there is another person using the MathGrrl pseudonym, and her use actually predates mine. I am not the MathGrrl that comes up first in a Google search (I’m leaving her name out deliberately so as not to associate us in the search engines). Please don’t harass her because of anything I’ve said.

Perhaps we were wrong about her identity.

TWO girls that know math?  That is below the Universal Probability Bound!  

"Math is Hard!" - Barbie

And the question remains: Who is Mathgrrl?

Louis

Well I am pretty sure she is not PZ Myers... he has enough sock puppets going.

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Date: 2011/04/02 07:00:07, Link
Author: utidjian
I think the only appropriate video response would be to introduce BA77 to a little NIN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-Sahfy7Hg

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Date: 2011/04/03 19:25:23, Link
Author: utidjian
OMFG is this the record for the shortest KF ever?
LINK

I count only 48 words in that post, including his .sig. Perhaps it was so short because it looks like he was actually trying to think in that post. He fails of course. Still inane speculation.

Anyhow I spotted it and if there is a prize for such a rare find I want it donated to Louis's mom.

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Date: 2011/04/05 13:45:03, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 04 2011,18:27)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 03 2011,21:04)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 03 2011,19:54)
I'm afraid those are the comments from last night and this morning. The ones from the last couple of hours are still in moderation; in the meantime other posters have commented, which is going to make mine look out of context when it finally appears.

That's the name of the game. Let enough posts show up to bury yours. That and delay yours until the whole thread is buried.

In hopes you will give up. And if you don't give up, no one will notice anyway.

1. Copy your comments to Google Sidewiki.

2. In every comment, note that those who want to see your comments in timely fashion can view the Sidewiki.

3. Encourage other posters to note that Sidewiki has current comments.

Interesting idea Wes. Since all users to UD will see the reference to Sidewiki it may be that the mods simply ban them altogether (once they figure out what is going on.)

It would certainly be useful in a lot of Christian and other anti-evolution websites and forums.

As KE pointed out... this is kinda what AtBC is all about anyhow (well this thread anyways.) Come to think of it it would be cool to have a Sidewiki tacked on to UD. Problem is we couldn't get away with a lot of the discussion here because even Sidewiki is "moderated".
Sidewiki program policies

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Date: 2011/04/05 19:14:42, Link
Author: utidjian
OK this whole Sidewiki (SW) thing is pretty cool.... trying to get used to it without screwing it up too much.

I noticed there is an SW thread on the main UD page but not on the thread that KL is trying to post to. This one.

Just to get it going I made an SW comment on that page in response to KL's comment #4. It is pretty cool... one can zip right to the relvant part of the page that one is commenting on by clicking on thingy in SW.

This could be FUN!

And FSM knows we need more fun on UD.

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Date: 2011/04/06 20:27:39, Link
Author: utidjian
It's BLUE sir!

Which one is the good Dr.Dr.?

Date: 2011/04/16 11:14:38, Link
Author: utidjian
Man that whole idcurious vs Joseph/JoeG thing on "electricity 'hates' water" is just one big facepalm.

I think I will ask Joseph since electricity hates water why does water make electricity? Why does water make more of what hates it?

(gotta keep pumping the comedy gold :D)

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Date: 2011/04/16 16:04:10, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Badger3k @ April 16 2011,15:04)
Quote (utidjian @ April 16 2011,11:14)
Man that whole idcurious vs Joseph/JoeG thing on "electricity 'hates' water" is just one big facepalm.

I think I will ask Joseph since electricity hates water why does water make electricity? Why does water make more of what hates it?

(gotta keep pumping the comedy gold :D)

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Stockholm syndrome?

If electricity hates water, why does water let it go through it so easily?

Working on it....

more later.

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Date: 2011/04/16 16:45:13, Link
Author: utidjian
Just trying to see how far Joseph is going to drag his not even wrong statement about water and electricity.
LINKY

To which I replied in (almost) KFian scale:
LINKY

Be interesting to see how deeply stupid Joseph is.... my guess is very very deep. I am mainly hoping for some sig worthy tardisms.

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Date: 2011/04/17 09:23:44, Link
Author: utidjian
Thanks paragwinn. I guess I finally tweaked someone over there enough to warrant a mod-hammer-waiting-room-whatever thing.

From he awaiting moderation room:
Quote

273

utidjian

04/16/2011

9:52 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Joseph: If you mean the links at #257 then, sure, I did read them. They do not support your claim that electricity hates water. They do not support your claim at all. They do the exact opposite. Electricity, apparently, loves water. We just may not like (even hate) it that it does.

As far as ID and religion are concerned… they sure do seem to like each other… a lot, though we may not like it that they do.


So there.

I wonder how their moderation system works over there. Must be a real PITA to keep tabs on all of it. Can you imagine what it would be like if all the moderated posts were like KFs? Do the UDders even read KFs stuff?

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Date: 2011/04/17 18:33:26, Link
Author: utidjian
Well looks like most of my comments in that thread regarding the love-hate relationship of electricity and water have been disappearinated.

All the ID idiocy aside.... well to be fair, it is basically ALL idiocy over at UD ALL the time... but sometimes they say something that is actually true and correct. Problem is, in their determination to appear infallible and always appear to have the upper hand re: teh Scienz they forget to clean up the blatantly stupid BS such as "wet electricity" and "electricity hating water" and hundreds (thousands?) of other idiocy that creeps into their screed over the years. In their efforts to have the appearance of superiority they end up having to defend utter crap rather than police it themselves. It is exactly the wrong way to use "moderation."

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Date: 2011/04/18 14:07:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 18 2011,13:54)
Oldman, where did you get that?  :O

ETA - Duh, never mind.

Awfully obliging, I must say.

Right from their very own website:
http://www.blythinstitute.org/images....990.pdf

or if that link doesn't work
http://www.blythinstitute.org/  
Partnership --> Legal Information --> 2010 Form 990

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Date: 2011/04/18 14:41:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 18 2011,13:54)
Oldman, where did you get that?  :O

ETA - Duh, never mind.

Awfully obliging, I must say.

Oh diddly darn... you figured it out already.

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100th post? Can haz edit button???

Ooooh... i now haz it!

Date: 2011/04/18 20:35:44, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 18 2011,19:23)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 18 2011,14:54)
PaV -

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-377798

 
Quote
This is stupidity of the highest order.

Look, sweetheart,...


I'm sure moderation is on its way, PaV.   ???

What is stupidity of the highest order? Or is that a stupid question?

Beware onlookers:

Too much whiteness on that page...

--> I was blinded by the tard.

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Date: 2011/04/19 12:15:43, Link
Author: utidjian
I was trying to comment on Josephs (JoeG) blog. He has a new post up about Electricity and Water ( LINKAGE )

Of course being an UDder Joe he gets it wrong again for the wrong reasons.

I tried to post a response there that I knew would never make it past moderation on UD. But it was stillborn (something about logging in and whatnot) I shoulda Copy-n-Pasted to something before hitting "Post"... ah well.

Anyhow... for the benefit of onlookers it was along the lines of:

The reason why electrical conductors are protected with an insulating sheath in moist environments is similar to why we use prophylactics on our penises.

I think you know where it goes after that. I figured Joe would get much stimulation from such a discussion.

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Date: 2011/04/19 13:06:23, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 19 2011,12:56)
Quote (JohnW @ April 19 2011,12:26)
 
Quote (utidjian @ April 19 2011,10:15)
The reason why electrical conductors are protected with an insulating sheath in moist environments is similar to why we use prophylactics on our penises.

There are many things with a function unknown to Joe.  Several of them are listed in this sentence.

If the Designer is a woman, what then?  :p

For some reason I find that idea MUCH more attractive than if the Designer were a man. MUCH more.

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Date: 2011/04/19 18:49:55, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 19 2011,17:20)
Page 404 and not even one "Not Found" joke?

I noticed that too... but thought it would be too lame to mention....

On the bright side if this post makes the the page fold to 405... it will not be found on the page not found page  :p

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Date: 2011/04/20 16:16:28, Link
Author: utidjian
I wuz thinking (I know, I know, but I was using my special ID beanie) that if UD didn't exist we would have to invent one .... Not just for the LULZ but as a sort of padded room for the likes of UDders (KF, Joseph, BA^77, O'Leary, etc...)
Think of all the advantages that UD provides:
* We don't have to pay for it.
* With the volume of pure unadulterated TARD (adulterated tard is too disgusting to contemplate) being put out by the likes of KF and company it is unlikely that they ever have the time to even get out of the hose (or house)... let alone take a shower. It keeps them off the streets.
* Hardly anyone refers to UD for any support for ID. Most of the fundies I see on other sites use AiG, and sometimes the DI.
* As I think someone has already mentioned perhaps the moderation policy is not such a bad idea. It protects people like Joseph from getting too worked up. (I wonder who moderates Joe Gs site?)

Anyhow... I am sure you guys have thought of all this before... I am just too lazy to search for it. What made me think of it was watching the old "Riley: Ace of Spies" series (got the whole set on DVD) and "the Trust" set up by the Soviets to trap anti-Soviets.

If it wasn't registered to Bill Dembski the whole site would be the ultimate sock. It would have to be intelligently designed though.

Anyhooo... ::takes off ID beanie:: I should go to work and do scienz.

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ETA: Fix a typo but I kinda liked it.. so I left it.

Date: 2011/04/21 13:25:48, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Robin @ April 21 2011,13:09)
[quote=OgreMkV,April 21 2011,13:05][/quote]
Quote
Quote (Robin @ April 21 2011,13:02)
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 21 2011,11:02)

   
Quote
Still in moderation.  :angry:
Not sure how much I want to add to KF's non-answer to joseph, who then exposes himself as a bootlicker.
link

I'm going to go out on a limb here, KL, but given that we know that some of the slimier UD denizens lurk here (hi Clive!) from time to time, there might be a correlation - perhaps even a causal relationship - between the length of your moderation time and the fact that you make it quite evident it bothers you so.

Just sayin'...

+1

Of course, if you don't pretend it bothers you, then they'll just ban you.  

I lasted two posts.


Hmmm...ok...

But then I wonder, which is worse?

Neither.

As I understand it is a badge of honor (or something) to be banned or moderated from/on UD for asking reasonable questions.

Welcome to the club LK.
-DU-

Date: 2011/04/22 09:40:01, Link
Author: utidjian
Oh I think that KF would stoop to the profane... just not in public.


On a sorta different tack... UD is like a holodeck for the tardologists. They let a number of people "program" it. Every time the "environment" becomes a little too unpleasant (like someone asking a simple question) they simply tweak it a bit:

"Computer, delay responses from LK for 72 hours."

Because they allow some input from the "outside" they think that their simulation is actually "connected to" or "reflects" the real world. Witness Josephs (and just about all the UDders) responses to questions they think they have already addressed.

Perhaps more of a mix of the voluntary psych ward in "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" and a TNG holodeck. Which one is Nurse Ratched?

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Date: 2011/04/22 11:02:55, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Robin @ April 22 2011,10:36)
Quote (Woodbine @ April 22 2011,09:56)
Quote (utidjian @ April 22 2011,15:40)
Which one is Nurse Ratched?

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Gil.


Pffftt...nah. Barry.

Yeah Barry... there is a resemblance in both character and image. Someone with genuine 'Shop skillz would have to do that though.

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Date: 2011/04/26 11:43:19, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 24 2011,18:55)
Posted! On an English-language site.

Quote
Did you actually say that Barbara Forrest "needs Haldol or something"? Is that civility? Is that a rational response to what you have termed "incivility"?
I call for more civility in this debate. You should apologize!

I "Like"d it.

About 1:12:00 in (the "discussion") the part where the camera turns to the audience reminds me of the "the Committee" in A Boy and His Dog (arguably Don Johnson's best part evar.)

But yeah... trying to listen to that Giem is like trying to read the GEM. Perhaps they are related?

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Date: 2011/04/27 14:46:14, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (MichaelJ @ April 24 2011,04:56)
I think that Kwok performs a valuable service. It reminds us that we are not like IDiots. Kwok is our Frillboy but we don't tolerate him just because he is on our side

Kwok is the primary reason I stopped reading and posting at PT. I have read all the Kwokisms I ever plan to read and I am the worse off for it. He adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. He doesn't do anything for "our side." He doesn't post at UD, TT, nor any other IDC site that I am aware of.

He only piles in on the TARDs that show up at PT and he says the same sorta stuff every time. Some sort of variation on a combination of Klingon, Borg Collectives, and "mendacious intellectual pornography." Doesn't change much.

He has been pretty good for a while now for not namedropping his acquaintances and former high school.

His main posting style seems to be something along the lines of "I concur wholeheartedly with your assessment of the situation...." (or whatever) without adding anything new to the discussion. As if... "It's all OK folks, John Kwok has weighed in and, fortunately, concurs wholeheartedly with the assessment... so, you know, we can all get a good nights sleep because the Kwok is 'on the job'.... and agrees." Then he has the annoying tendency to re-quote an entire comment that appears just above his and only add a single line. To make it worse if he makes a single spelling mistake he will copy and paste the entire comment to fix that one error and add an explanation.

The same behavior for several years gets old. It just isn't worth wading through the crap at PT any more as long as John is still posting there. Whatever redeeming feature or quality that John may have I just can't see it and the fact that people say he is "on our side" isn't enough for me to put up with the other crap.

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Date: 2011/04/27 14:55:41, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 27 2011,14:53)
Nobody seems to have commented here for a bit. Have we all been banninated?

I haven't been banned outright but moderated to the point that I can't be bothered to check for replies.

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Date: 2011/04/27 16:23:20, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ April 27 2011,15:22)

:D I love your description!


Aaaw shucks  :)

Your Tony fits our John just right. John even ran in an "election" over on Pharyngula. And lost miserably (and predictably.)

Seems I am not the only one that is bothered by JKs habits:
Quote
Just Bob | Linky | Reply
…and don’t bother correcting every typo by reposting the whole damn thing.

…and when replying, don’t repost the whole damn original.


I guess, for the most part, no one really cares about JKs crap. Just when it gets so thick it starts to smell up the place.

Has anyone ever met him? Is he gainfully employed? Somehow I can't imagine him being stable enough to hold down a job where daily communication between his peers is required.

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Added stuff

Date: 2011/04/28 02:18:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Badger3k @ April 27 2011,22:58)
Quote (Louis @ April 27 2011,20:38)
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 27 2011,22:07)
 
Quote (utidjian @ April 27 2011,15:46)
 
Quote (MichaelJ @ April 24 2011,04:56)
I think that Kwok performs a valuable service. It reminds us that we are not like IDiots. Kwok is our Frillboy but we don't tolerate him just because he is on our side

Kwok is the primary reason I stopped reading and posting at PT. I have read all the Kwokisms I ever plan to read and I am the worse off for it. He adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. He doesn't do anything for "our side." He doesn't post at UD, TT, nor any other IDC site that I am aware of.

He only piles in on the TARDs that show up at PT and he says the same sorta stuff every time. Some sort of variation on a combination of Klingon, Borg Collectives, and "mendacious intellectual pornography." Doesn't change much.

He has been pretty good for a while now for not namedropping his acquaintances and former high school.

His main posting style seems to be something along the lines of "I concur wholeheartedly with your assessment of the situation...." (or whatever) without adding anything new to the discussion. As if... "It's all OK folks, John Kwok has weighed in and, fortunately, concurs wholeheartedly with the assessment... so, you know, we can all get a good nights sleep because the Kwok is 'on the job'.... and agrees." Then he has the annoying tendency to re-quote an entire comment that appears just above his and only add a single line. To make it worse if he makes a single spelling mistake he will copy and paste the entire comment to fix that one error and add an explanation.

The same behavior for several years gets old. It just isn't worth wading through the crap at PT any more as long as John is still posting there. Whatever redeeming feature or quality that John may have I just can't see it and the fact that people say he is "on our side" isn't enough for me to put up with the other crap.

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I concur wholeheartedly with your assessment of the situation.

I demand a Leica Rangefinder camera for agreeing with these sentiments.

Louis

What you'll get it forcible sodomy with a rusty penknife.  And like it.  :O

Heh... well it is hardly mendacious intellectual pornography yet.... but I might settle for graphically violent  intellectual brewery (or something).

Must be late.

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Date: 2011/05/02 09:33:30, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 28 2011,17:33)
I stepped in it this time.

I disagreed with PZ... and publicized it.  Oh boy is the shit about to hit me full in the face.

Ogre, I went looking in the Ellen Levin "Fuck You Republicans" thread over on Pharyngula and you made only two comments... well one comment and a link.

In your first  comment (#81) it looks like you were trying for a double-Kwok. I think it would have worked too if you had quoted PZs post in its entirety just adding your stuff at the bottom. Even better, misplace an apostrophe or forget to dot one of the i's and you repost the entire thing again.

Anyhow... Not quite sure why you think/thought the shit will/would hit you full in the face. You comments were hardly inflammatory (by Pharyngula standards). I read some (no time to read all) of the comments and I am inclined to agree with "the horde", and you.

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Date: 2011/05/03 11:53:48, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,11:19)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 03 2011,07:38)
it's depressing to consider, in the full global context of the history of the human lineage, how much time and energy has been dedicated to this happy horseshit

We are social apes with very large brains. Politics, and "are hallucinations real?" are our two major entertainments. ("Are you going to eat that?," and "Wanttafuck?" are our two major occupations).

Damn Dr GH, That is near .sig-worthy.

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Edited to fix attribution. Kw*kfail.

Date: 2011/05/03 21:38:59, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Kristine @ May 03 2011,08:38)
 
Now that Al Qaeda has embraced teh internet, Brillo Face doesn't have quite the influence that he once had. I'm surprised that Al Qaeda isn't tweeting, considering that they've launched a magazine for jihadettes!


Ah hehheheh... the English language version has an article titled Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom by AQ Chef LINKY

There was an idea presented in the movie Middle Men that went something like: With a little bit of research they could figure out what kind of porn terrorists like to watch. Using that information they made up some porn content specifically targeted for terrorists. Then they tracked purchase patterns and usage. Then tracked where those internet connections were made. Then sent a missile to that location.
All fiction of course but an interesting idea.

I noticed that OBLs hideout was claimed to have no internet connection nor landline phones. Which would be kind of unusual for a large residence just about anywhere in the world these days. That is to say... the lack of them would make them stick out.
Many third world countries have really crappy land line phone service (if at all) but they still have cell phones. Pakistan has both services.
I wonder how they dealt with cell phones... perhaps have them all turned off and/or impounded whenever entering the grounds of the mansion? Only problem with that is... a bunch of phones going dead whenever they get in the vicinity of the mansion would also stick out.

-DU-

Date: 2011/05/04 06:55:36, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (MichaelJ @ May 03 2011,21:54)

It shows how effective the intelligence services got once they got off their collective backsides. I heard one quote yesterday saying that if a terrorist took a cell phone into Afghanistan that they had a life expectancy of 60 days.


For some reason two months sounds pretty good for a device that can pinpoint your location to within a few yards as long as it is turned on.
This would depend on the density of the coverage. I suppose an upside to all of this is that it will improve cell phone coverage for countries like Afghanistan.

Quote

This has made me think, has there been any terrorist attacks in a non Moslem country recently? Is this because of better intelligence or lack of interest?



Beware the impression that terrorist attacks have slowed down. Also beware ready explanations for the reason(s).

Much of the problem is how the news stories are manipulated, presented, or if they are even widely reported. So the lack of interest could be due to the news reporting.

Wikipedia has such a list:
List of Armed Terrorist Attacks for 2011

From the list: Jan 8 2011 Jared Lee Loughner attempted to assassinate Democratic United States Congresswoman Gabrielle Gifford.

There are quite a few incidents listed for Mexico that are mainly part of the War on Drugs and between drug gangs and cartels. Whether one considers these to be terrorism or not they have had a toll of about 37,000 in the past 5 years. Many of them are children and hundreds of them are US citizens. It doesn't get much press up here these days.

Looking back before 2011 there are still quite a few incidents in Northern Ireland. Those seem to get no press these days.

-DU-

Date: 2011/05/04 09:26:40, Link
Author: utidjian
OK... as one commenter already said. "Let's see what happens three days from now."

Otherwise it is very bizzare. Not sure of the mechanics of how it could be accomplished as a suicide.

-DU-

Date: 2011/05/05 06:37:27, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (J-Dog @ May 04 2011,10:47)

Easy!  It's 3!  3 Gods In One!

You have this God the Father dude, helped by God The Holy Ghost, PO'd at the Son, so they nailed him.  

Figuratively and literally.  

Anyone that buys the story, sell them holy cards and indulgences, promise them eternal happiness or 72 virgins  after they're dead.  Repeat as necessary.  Anyone that doesn't buy the story, gets stoned, burned and/or condemned to eternal fire.


Aaaah.... ::strokes stubbled chin:: I get it now. He must have had two accomplices. Not three or one, but two because two plus one equals one. (or something)

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Date: 2011/05/05 09:10:50, Link
Author: utidjian
Hah! That is an excellent tardfight there. While there isn't much "science" in it (if any) there is a LOT more than we ever see when they are actually talking about ID. I mean... they appear to be actually adding and subtracting and multiplying real numbers to see if their theories fit the "evidence." If it doesn't "fit" they just dig around some more and re-spin.

I wonder what Harold Camping is saying now that the date for "the Rapture" (May 21 2011) has already passed us and nobody noticed. I suppose it dosn't really matter since the world will end this September anyhow.

-DU-

Date: 2011/05/05 10:37:30, Link
Author: utidjian
Oh brainfart!

Ah well... the real question is are you Rapture Ready™? Only 16 days left... or be left behind!

I wonder if anyone is selling Rapture Kits.

-DU-

Date: 2011/06/01 18:18:03, Link
Author: utidjian
VJ Tardley has a PhD in philosophy? From where?

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Date: 2011/06/06 13:51:20, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (noncarborundum @ June 06 2011,00:29)
Quote (paragwinn @ June 06 2011,00:15)
GilDo, wordsmith extraordinaire:
   
Quote
At UD we have many brilliant ID apologists, and they continue to mount what I perceive as increasingly indefensible assaults on the creative powers of the Darwinian mechanism of random errors filtered by natural selection.

bolding mine

indefensible from Merriam-Webster:
   
Quote
a : incapable of being maintained as right or valid : untenable b : incapable of being justified or excused : inexcusable <indefensible comments>
Synonyms: inexcusable, inexpiable, insupportable, unforgivable, unjustifiable, unpardonable, unwarrantable

Big hat tip to Joe Felsenstein at PT

It's probably giving him too much credit to wonder if intended "indefeasible" and his fingers betrayed him.  It's much more likely that he simply meant "that cannot be defended against", and his brain betrayed him.

If, indeed, he meant it that way a better way to word it might have been to use "irresistible" rather than "indefensible".

Even assaults have to be defended by assaulter, usually by protecting (defending) against counterattacks on the flanks. Contrast this with the idea that the assaulter does not, ever, try and resist their own assault.

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Date: 2011/06/08 10:39:37, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (sparc @ June 07 2011,22:46)
Even if Elsevier has the money this should be a question of scientific hygieny.


The answer to that at UD of course is pseudo-scientific idreamofgenie.

Date: 2011/06/29 10:26:12, Link
Author: utidjian
So um... if Premise Media went bankrupt on a venture that cost $3.5M and netted $8M .... then it appears it was mis-managed. Presumably there are businesses and people that didn't get paid what and when they were supposed to be paid by Premise. The former owners (until yesterday) of Premise get out of paying off those debts. Premise gets auctioned off and the proceeds from the auction are used to pay off the creditors.
The winner of the auction is the former financial backer of Premise (but not the owner?)

Something still seems awfully fishy here.

To complete this, could Ruloff hire Manning as CFO to manage his "new" property?

-DU-

Date: 2011/06/29 20:19:36, Link
Author: utidjian
OMFG I swear I saw those caterpillars move! Very creepy.

-DU-

ETA time for another drink.

Date: 2011/07/14 09:45:23, Link
Author: utidjian
divin2012,

That is some rich, concentrated stupid. I suggest reading over ice perhaps with a splash of soda. Better yet, some Sheep Dip with a splash of soda.

-DU-

Date: 2011/07/17 06:20:23, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (noncarborundum @ July 16 2011,21:31)
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 16 2011,17:24)
I think we broke it.  I'm on a 19" widescreen and I still can't see the fist 4 or 5 posts in the stream.

Ah.  Then our work here is dung.

And sealed with mucous.

Date: 2011/07/17 11:32:14, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (BillB @ July 17 2011,11:27)
Quote (damitall @ July 17 2011,16:42)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 17 2011,08:46)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ July 17 2011,13:56)
 
Quote (iconofid @ July 17 2011,15:43)
   
Quote (k.e.. @ July 17 2011,07:06)
     
Quote (iconofid @ July 17 2011,14:52)
       
Quote (utidjian @ July 17 2011,06:20)
         
Quote (noncarborundum @ July 16 2011,21:31)
           
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 16 2011,17:24)
I think we broke it.  I'm on a 19" widescreen and I still can't see the fist 4 or 5 posts in the stream.

Ah.  Then our work here is dung.

And sealed with mucous.

Excretions eh? Urine for a long one, and it'll end in tears.

You may be thin skinned but I'm flushed with hide.

'Snot my fault I'm thin skinned.

Yes it jizz.

Cool down, guys. It's just a misunderstanding on sementics.

Eh? Come again?

Are we building up to a second climax then?

Multiple postgasms!

I LULZed.

Date: 2011/07/20 12:59:24, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Badger3k @ July 19 2011,16:33)
Quote (noncarborundum @ July 18 2011,21:43)
Quote (socle @ July 18 2011,21:19)
WTF tgpeeler

   
Quote
Well, I object to an eternally existing multiverse for a very simple reason. The multiverses are physical, therefore they cannot be eternal. Why not? Because they are physical, they can be counted. If they can be counted they are not eternal (infinite). Law of identity. Things are what they are.

Can God be counted?  Last I heard there was either one of Him or maybe Three.  Perhaps it's this unity/trinity duality that keeps Him (Them?) from being countable and hence finite.  

Inquiring minds want not to know.

That's Godtum Indeterminancy - you can know God as One, or as Three, but never both at once.  Therefore he cannot be said to be counted.

Or does that make Him imaginary?

I think that makes Him Hungarian (or something.)

-DU-

Date: 2011/08/03 07:48:19, Link
Author: utidjian
I visited Montserrat by ship in 1967. Its primary economy then, as I recall, was limes (and lime juice) and tourism. The capital was tiny but very pretty. Brightly colored stucco architecture. We climbed the volcano.

In 1967 I moved with my family (which one tends to do when only 9 years old) from Trinidad & Tobago to the US. The first leg of the trip was by a passenger/cargo ship that visited most of the islands Carribean Lesser Antilles and then due west to Jamaica. Fun trip.

Most of the islands are pretty much dirt poor. Tourism and offshore banking being just about the only industries that are possible.

Almost every island has a volcano because that is how the chain was created.

-DU-

Date: 2011/08/04 18:39:25, Link
Author: utidjian
I love the part where BA says,
"This is a pristine example of what our friend Kairosfocus calls “selective hyperskepticism.”" LINK

As if KF is an authority on anything to do with IDC or even skepticism, hyper selective or otherwise.

-DU-

Date: 2011/08/07 01:40:15, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 06 2011,23:13)
Quote (Patrick @ Aug. 06 2011,19:17)
Who wants to work for Bill?
 
Quote
Hi UncommonDescent Readers: I have a request. I need one or more freelance writers to work for pay on short research articles (ca. 1000 to 3000 words) related to higher-ed. Some of this work will touch on ID but most will not. Contact me at the email address on the homepage of www.designinference.com to learn more. –Bill D.

I notice that he is careful to exclude kairosfocus by word count.

Still, IMHO everyone who can still comment at UD should definetly suggest Gordon E. Mullings aka kairosfocus.

Done... but it is being held in moderation. I was also going to suggest BA77 but left it at KF. Perhaps I should have suggested that he hire him by the hour rather than by word count.

-DU-

Date: 2011/11/11 20:53:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Erasmus... somebody save that thread STAT!

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Date: 2012/02/13 01:32:43, Link
Author: utidjian
Perhaps the UDers got their QM from the Columbia Institute of Quantum Mechanics:

Date: 2012/02/13 12:03:14, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 13 2012,10:35)
comment volume currently seems down 60-80%, at a guess, on UD. I'll put up a live chart of it shortly, time permitting, so we can watch it tank over the coming days.

Ban-o-metric Science! I like it. It is hysterical, but the IDiots will call it "historical science" and therefore based on presuppositions (or something.)

Date: 2012/02/15 20:21:32, Link
Author: utidjian
On the moon's existence and eyewitnesses and whatnot:

In about four days time we will have a new moon. We won't be able to see it. If we can't see the moon, does it still exist in the same sense as before when we could see it? If we can't see it how do we know it exists? If the moon is "new" what happened to the old one?

Moving on (or not)...

If the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father then, obviously, both exist at the same time.
But before the Son there was the Father because, obviously, the Father precedes the Son.
But how can the Son and the Father be the same thing if one preceded the other?
Did the Son both exist and not exist at the same time?

OK... enough of that. Time for a frosty beverage.

Date: 2012/02/22 09:59:49, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (BWE @ Feb. 22 2012,00:15)

I'd love to debate him on any topic he wants. I'd take either side.
PZ
*spit again

After glancing at that thread at Pharyngula it looks like you already tried that. And failed.

Date: 2012/02/23 11:44:02, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 23 2012,10:38)
 
Quote (KF] [b]one of the chief @ willing disciples of that dark prince in recent years, herr Schicklegruber the foam- at- the- mouth carpet-chewer[/b)
:

I thought the term was "carpet-muncher"... so I looked it up:

Quote

Q. Did Adolf Hitler have a nickname?
A. In some circles he was known as the "Teppichfresser" or "Carpet-Chewer" because of his tendency in later years to fly into an uncontrollable rage and have a good bite of the nearest carpet (obviously I doubt if they called him that to his face).


Well anyhow... trivial trivia is trivial.

Date: 2012/02/25 14:18:21, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (REC @ Feb. 25 2012,11:12)
Barry is an exceptional ass. Why is it all rape and Hitler over there? I guess this is the new test--anyone defending materialism has to announce they support (chimpanzee?!?) rape.

Dangerous road to go down-he can't imagine a really simple code based on property (one owns one's body)?

Especially dangerous, since the book of Barry's morality is based on this notion of property rights, but fucks up it, giving the property of a woman's body over to fathers, husbands and rapists:

 
Quote

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her

Well since all the "science" and "philosophy" discussion blew town and moved over to Elizabeth's blog... there isn't much left but quote mining the bible and speculation on rape.

If Elizabeth can keep her little corner of the ID petri dish warm enough for a while we may yet see a speciation event... in real time... syllable by syllable.

I like how many of the former UD-banees have shown up at SZ. The Udiots can't banninate them, they can only cut-n-run when the dialog gets too strenuous. I wonder how long it will be before they have a meltdown at SZ. Any bets on the first victim? William J. Murray? Gregory? GilD? JoeG? (My money is on Murray.)

Date: 2012/02/27 07:33:54, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Jkrebs @ Feb. 27 2012,06:55)
Barry parenthetically added, on the rape thread, "or, like Jack, try to change the subject", but there is no Jack that has posted in the thread.  Any idea what this is about?  Did someone post and then get unposted???

Probably. Also Dieb posted what appears to be the very first response to that thread (hard to tell with banninations and dissappearinations all over the place.) Dieb also has a very reasonable response that has not yet appeared (still in moderation.) I also have a response but it is also in moderation.

Not like it is news but Barry's editing (by filtering responses and bans) of the responses unless it says what he wants is disingenuous and despicable.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/01 14:51:11, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 01 2012,14:37)
Joe is getting just hammered at TSZ and is on the verge of tears.

His demand that Lizzie give him deleting / banning privileges went over like a turd in the punchbowl. Now he's whining like a little girl about 'staying on topic' when he himself raised the issues of GAS and genetic entropy.

Too funny!

:D  :D  :D

That whole thread is pretty funny. In one sense I see why UD is so "liberal" in their banninations. If they didn't this sort of creogasmic meltdown would happen in just about every thread.

I think it has been an interesting experiment in putting the ID in a petri dish and given it a rich medium in which to grow.

Perhaps it is time to cauterize the dish, cast it in lucite, and leave it on display as a warning.

Date: 2012/03/03 13:20:10, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 03 2012,08:50)
Please excuse the auto-correct atrocities in the previous message.  iPads suck for writing & editing.

Yes. Yes they do.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/04 18:18:59, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2012,09:06)
Boo, looks like it's down again.
In the meantime, here's a short film illustration the plight of Joe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....related

He's too stupid to let go! The smarter creatures quickly out smart him, and he is angry! they feed him some choice, hand selected stuff and he leads them to the source of his tard.

ETA: Yes, I'm well aware this is PotDecade.

The man in that video is lucky the baboon didn't chew off his face. Those baboons have some fearsome teeth.

I bet JoeG has some fearsome teeth and wouldn't want a bite from him either but then I am not about to try and tie a rolled up dishrag around his neck.

Otherwise yes... a near perfect metaphor for Joe's 'gazmic behavior.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/04 18:21:25, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 04 2012,13:00)
Quick quiz -
which of these creates creates the most guano per bodyweight per day?

1) Bat
2) Penguin
3) Gallien
4) Seal

Real guano, the bat, I think.

Digital guano, the Gallien.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/08 18:19:15, Link
Author: utidjian
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,22:05)
Looks like with its instant comment promotion, no moderation for adults and respect for both viewpoints, TSZ is killing UD. Shame on you UD, look at what you could have been if you weren't a propaganda machine. Might as well put in for that DI sponsorship now...

Dumbass- UD doesn't care about comments and TSZ is going down quickly

Joe, Don't tell kairosfocus that. It would ruin his day, not to mention his whole existence.

Date: 2012/03/12 07:48:31, Link
Author: utidjian
Woke up a bit early this morning after falling asleep with the TV on. (SCI channel of course.) I was greeted by the beginning an hour of: "What Darwin Didn't Know", then followed by two hours of "Galapagos: Beyond Darwin." I can watch stuff like this for hours... and, in fact, I have. The Galapagos segments seem to be the best but that may be because the coffee had time to kick in. A good discussion of the human impact/ecological problems of the place.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/13 19:56:00, Link
Author: utidjian
I run the undergraduate labs for a small college Engineering Physics department. Basically a technician. Most of what I do is engineering. I work with scientists from Biology, Chemistry, Physics (of course) and even from Psychology in designing and building their experiments. One week I will be working on making some bio-pulverizers for a Biology lab, another week I will be designing and building a set of apparatus for radio-carbon dating using lasers, another day I will be helping a student design and build a controller unit for a CNC mini-mill, another week I will be helping a Psychology professor design a method for measuring the "anxiety" of a passenger in a car, another time I will working on a radio tracking system for some endangered turtles, to name a few... far too often I have to fix equipment that professors have wrecked because they didn't know what they were doing. Sometimes I get the time to work on my own projects.

I really love this job. I doubt I would have the freedom or variety in a larger college or university that keeps this job interesting. It is kinda like I get paid to fix, design, and build machines and apparatus. To me, it is as if I get paid to do my hobby. If I had independent means I would do the job for free.

I don't now, and never have, bought in to any part of the argument regarding design. Far from it. I see a heckuvalot more 'evolution' in the design process of the things I make and work with than I do of any sort of external 'information.' Equating the design process and the evolutionary process is not a good analogy for either but there is far more similarity and things I can learn from the evolutionary process and apply it to designs than can be done the other way around.

What is difficult for me to understand is how some engineers can not see the similarities as I do.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/14 00:06:33, Link
Author: utidjian
sledgehammer,

I approach the problems that the scientists bring to me a bit differently. More like your younger engineers. I am very interested in the science behind (and even in front of) a particular problem. I am also interested in the whole project. I find that it is sometimes difficult to get enough details from the scientist about the exact thing they want.

I also have a tendency to 'overbuild' a particular device or instrument due to the amazing ability of some scientists to destroy it. This is not really a complaint but something I see as an interesting challenge.

I rarely trouble them with the difficulties I may encounter in making their stuff. I have learned that, for the most part, they are completely uninterested. My biologist, for instance, couldn't care less what particular alloy of stainless steel I should use for making his bio-pulverizers. Nor was he interested in how amazingly difficult it is to bore a smooth blind hole with a dead flat and smooth bottom with a smooth radius at the corner.

There is a lot of variation with physicists where I work. Some are very tidy and methodical and others are quite messy with stuff held together with tape, string, and paperclips... whatever comes to hand.

A more humorous take, obviously created by a technician:


Though I don't see myself as a Chuck Norris ;-)

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/14 01:51:51, Link
Author: utidjian
Interesting stuff Doc Bill. His degree from Bob Jones Looniversity appears to be in Secondary Education (according to his LinkedIn page.)

The Creation Safaris and crev.info pages are both copyright "Master Plan Association."

There is an announcement on the crev.info page:
Quote
Reporting will be sparse through the month of March.
Please check back occasionally.

Perhaps he will be too busy in court to blog.  :D

After reading some of the court documents and comparing it to his LinkedIn page it does seem a bit fluffed up, but that isn't unusual for LinkedIn pages.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/15 11:24:25, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 14 2012,11:44)
A question for Uncommonly Dense subscribers. I've been looking for something. Unsuccessful thus far.

"Design theorists are no friends of theistic evolution"

Everyone knows this comment of Dembski's. And the forthcoming unholy union between Dembski and O'Leary attacking theistic evolution is set to italicise the sentiment.

However....

A few years ago, Dembski, in one of his regular lapses of self-awareness, either in an interview or a posting at UD, lamented the fact that ID proponents had 'lost' the sympathies of the theistic evolutionists somewhere along the line.

One of AtBC's heroic tard-miners picked up on it, promptly juxtaposed it with the above quote, and recorded it here. But I can't find it, nor Dembski's original comment.

Are you that miner? Do you remember in which U-Dense thread you filed away said nugget?

Woodbine,

That line is quoted a few times in various threads on UD but it was, I think, originally published on origins.org. Origins.org is sorta defunct http://origins.org/....ins.org under (re-) construction. I used the wayback machine and found this:
http://web.archive.org/web....ttp

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/15 12:36:59, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 15 2012,12:22)
Kewl. There's even a reference to the invisible pink unicorns:

 
Quote
God's invisible attributes are clearly seen from God's creation.


The copyright notice says Dembski's essay can be distributed as freeware if done in it's entirety. Any objection to posting the full text here. It's no longer than a typical KF post.

None from me!

Should it be posted here in the UD section or somewhere else?

-DU-

ETA: I downloadeded it already including the copyright notice.

Date: 2012/03/15 12:46:18, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 15 2012,12:37)
Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 15 2012,17:24)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 14 2012,11:44)
A question for Uncommonly Dense subscribers. I've been looking for something. Unsuccessful thus far.

"Design theorists are no friends of theistic evolution"

Everyone knows this comment of Dembski's. And the forthcoming unholy union between Dembski and O'Leary attacking theistic evolution is set to italicise the sentiment.

However....

A few years ago, Dembski, in one of his regular lapses of self-awareness, either in an interview or a posting at UD, lamented the fact that ID proponents had 'lost' the sympathies of the theistic evolutionists somewhere along the line.

One of AtBC's heroic tard-miners picked up on it, promptly juxtaposed it with the above quote, and recorded it here. But I can't find it, nor Dembski's original comment.

Are you that miner? Do you remember in which U-Dense thread you filed away said nugget?

Woodbine,

That line is quoted a few times in various threads on UD but it was, I think, originally published on origins.org. Origins.org is sorta defunct http://origins.org/....ins....ins.org under (re-) construction. I used the wayback machine and found this:
http://web.archive.org/web............ttp

-DU-

DU, thanks for the assist!

Unfortunately the bolded quote above isn't the one I'm looking for. (Serves me right for not being clear!)

The actual quote/post I'm hunting down was Dembski  complaining that the ID movement wasn't getting any love from the theistic evolutionists; he then wondered out loud why this was the case....which is hilarious considering the above quote.

Oh, ah. Well I will look again a bit later but right now I have to go to work and do my real job (there is science to be done (well, at least the teaching of it) and lab assistants that need supervision.)

BBL

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/16 09:19:58, Link
Author: utidjian
Since there isn't the usual level of the UD discussion here... I started to get withdrawal symptoms (clarity of thought, getting work done, hugging kids, being kind to pets, liquor evaporating rather than being metabolized (cold turkey is mean!)) and went over to UD for just a taste.Wow have things dried up over there!

It kinda reminds me of a mall near where I live. All the quality stores moved out, even the McDonalds! So all that is left of that mall (some dozen acres) is a coffee shop. No tumble weeds blowing through but there is some sad bit of bunting from an Xmas season and a sales flyer and food wrapper or two. Then there are the bare mannequins in dusty windows that sometimes seem to move when one is not looking at them directly. A deserted mall is a sad and spooky place.

Well over at UD there is someone talking to the mannequins. Didn't paulmc get the memo?

I suppose the mall building super/security guard will emerge from his dingy office eventually and ban paulmc.

I wonder when they will bulldoze the place, or perhaps it will just get overgrown with weeds and crumble away.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/16 09:25:17, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 16 2012,00:52)
The first line of JPL's trial brief:
Quote
This case is about an employee who had no self-awareness.

That single sentence sums up the character of Coppedge in his relationship with his co-workers perfectly.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/16 16:17:23, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 16 2012,10:05)
Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 16 2012,09:19)
Since there isn't the usual level of the UD discussion here... I started to get withdrawal symptoms (clarity of thought, getting work done, hugging kids, being kind to pets, liquor evaporating rather than being metabolized (cold turkey is mean!)) and went over to UD for just a taste.Wow have things dried up over there!

It kinda reminds me of a mall near where I live. All the quality stores moved out, even the McDonalds! So all that is left of that mall (some dozen acres) is a coffee shop. No tumble weeds blowing through but there is some sad bit of bunting from an Xmas season and a sales flyer and food wrapper or two. Then there are the bare mannequins in dusty windows that sometimes seem to move when one is not looking at them directly. A deserted mall is a sad and spooky place.

Well over at UD there is someone talking to the mannequins. Didn't paulmc get the memo?

I suppose the mall building super/security guard will emerge from his dingy office eventually and ban paulmc.

I wonder when they will bulldoze the place, or perhaps it will just get overgrown with weeds and crumble away.

-DU-

Do you think they'd let us have paintball tournaments in that empty mall?

My old local mall had a JCPenny and 5 shoe stores.  Even the Dairy Queen left and, for Texas, that's serious.

Oh that would be cool!

There used to be a laser-tag place complete with movie set smoke and fog in one of the mini-malls around here. They only lasted a year or two. That was 15 years ago.

I am in Northern New Jersey and I think they just overbuilt all the malls around here. There have been some where they bulldozed sections of it and turned them in to more parking lots. Be nice if they turned them in to parks. Fewer and fewer of those around here also. No places for kids to play outdoors.

In the town where I work the city built a new playground with lights and baseball diamonds, a soccer field, and even a very spiffy skate park with all the rails and ramps a kid could want.) They built it three miles from the center of town out in the boonies. No bus goes there. No sidewalks along a busy road where the speed limit is 45MPH. In other words no way for kids to get to the park unless they are driven there.

Back to UD (or not)... I am wondering how long it will last before they try and do something desperate. Gordos latest attempt to bait Elizabeth back to UD is pretty transparent.

I think we can thank Arry Bannington for just about singlehandedly destroying the UD mosh pit.

-DU-

Date: 2012/03/19 23:14:08, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Badger3k @ Mar. 19 2012,22:49)
Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 19 2012,13:42)
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Our hero is still courageously pushing the frontiers of science towards Disneyland.
   
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ticks are attracted to watermelon

I will prove that again this year- that is they are more attracted watermelon than the dry forrest in which they reside.

Maybe ticks just like the moisture.

Speaking of Ticks - the like Scanning Electron Microscopes too!

I knew ticks were tough but.... WOW!

Date: 2012/03/19 23:31:04, Link
Author: utidjian
I looked up Gil Dodgen in google scholar and the only mention of him I can find is something to do with checkers. Nothing regarding FEA work. The checkers stuff dates as far back as the mid-1970s.

Date: 2012/03/20 16:56:26, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 20 2012,12:45)
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street-corner preaching in a labcoat


Creationism in a stolen lab coat.

Test-tube theology

But without the testing or the tubing.

Date: 2012/03/29 09:55:49, Link
Author: utidjian
A Casey Luskin sighting on the Daily Show:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch......terview
About 2:54 in to the video.

Date: 2012/04/02 07:02:32, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 02 2012,06:40)
What happened in October, 2008?

More importantly, how many are reading UD?  That's what counts because it affects their advertising revenue.

Dunno about October 2008.

I hardly read it any more because there is nothing left to read. I mean... when someone links to something interesting there or there is a sock or a real person commenting it kinda gets interesting. Since the Barrygasm of bannings it just isn't worth reading. Certainly de News or Giggling Gordo may write something sort of funny but even those joke®s are getting old.

What is the worst that could happen if UD dies? We still have the archives of this thread and its predecessors. No new tard has been invented in years.

Once UD dies there will only be the various bits and pieces from the DI. Everything else is pretty much dead.

I dunno if it affects their advertising revenue but I have been running AdBlock on UD for a long time.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/02 07:03:05, Link
Author: utidjian
Ooops somehow I double posteded.

Date: 2012/04/02 07:23:31, Link
Author: utidjian
The month of April 2008 was covered here:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....t=29970
From about page 884 to 918 (about 34 pages!)

Your assignment is to slog through it and tell us what happened at UD back then.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/02 11:34:06, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (DiEb @ April 02 2012,09:00)
Quote (utidjian @ April 02 2012,13:23)
The month of April 2008 was covered here:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....t=29970
From about page 884 to 918 (about 34 pages!)

Your assignment is to slog through it and tell us what happened at UD back then.

-DU-

April 18, 2008: Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is released in the U.S.

And that is what killed comment frequency on UD? Interesting. All we need now is Expelled II: The Slowening.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/02 12:10:30, Link
Author: utidjian
Dieb,

Whoops. Sorry, I should have been looking in October 2008 ::skulks::

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/04 21:00:12, Link
Author: utidjian
Is Joe taking a breather? He seems to have almost fizzled out over at TSZ and no longer dominates recent comments or the Guano sections. For a while there he seemed to be working himself into quite a lather... perhaps he slipped on the soap.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/10 10:11:24, Link
Author: utidjian
So that whole thing by VJT (no, I did not read all of it) is an attempt to show that, even though these Nobel laureates signed a letter rejecting the admission of creationism in to the public school science classroom, these scientists are still creationists? Or more accurately, since there is no consensus view in science on human consciousness then they reject "Darwinism/Evolution"?

If that is what VJT is pushing then... why did they sign the letter? Especially the Nobel laureates. No one is strong arming them to sign, they are not likely to be "expelled", however nutty their religious views are.

Regarding his use of Bill Phillips (Physics 1997) as a "human exceptionalist" (or whatever), I can't get that out of his essay on science and religion. I have actually met Bill Phillips (is that name dropping) and while I was aware of his strong religious beliefs he is outwardly every bit a scientist. Phillips states, right after the part that VJT bolded:
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But, considering the poor state of our scientific understanding of human consciousness and free will, my conclusion about the necessity of transcendence is not particularly well founded. A better understanding of consciousness, which may come from future scientific investigation, could significantly change this situation.


In short, I don't think that Bill Phillips is a "closet creationist." His statements, his work, and his signing of Zack's letter is more damning of VJT point of view than any twisting by VJT desperate blatherings can hope to counter.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/10 12:30:34, Link
Author: utidjian
Well would you look at that:
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The ID research tank, Biologic Institute, now has a Facebook page


They are clearly moving up in the world of scientific research. What next? Publishing their results on facebook for review?

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/10 16:49:29, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 10 2012,13:00)
SNIP
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But you’re the physics professor and I’m just a trouble maker. So I’ll defer to you.

First time I ever seen anybody defer to anybody else after giving their, by definition, non-deferring opinion (wht?).

Isn't that rather typical of Slimy Sal though? I can't figure out how he got to be a grad student in physics. I wonder if he uses that tone with his professors?

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/12 12:35:43, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (JohnW @ April 12 2012,11:55)
Best JoeG comment EVAR:
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Thank you for making a mockery of Lizzie’s blog.

I wonder if you can die of projection.

Can you die from teh Joy of Joe?

Date: 2012/04/15 13:27:56, Link
Author: utidjian
Is there some sort of internationally (or even AtBC_ally) recognized award for public display of herculean patience? If so... Leviathan gets it for the Airfoil Myth replies to Sal Cordova.

-DU-

Date: 2012/04/17 01:53:43, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2012,13:41)
Quote (Amadan @ April 16 2012,10:42)
It continues:

 
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The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it.


This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement.

Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin.

Fucking hell.  I thought Joe was going to turn to "God designed centripetal force" to get out of this mess, but "space ends at the orbit of Mars"?  What the fuck does he think Jupiter is travelling through?  The 14th dimension?  Tea?  Wood?

I didn't think there were this many hallucinogens in the world.

Jupiter is travelling through holes made by moles. Very big moles.

-DU-

Date: 2012/05/08 16:30:04, Link
Author: utidjian
I used to read Sendak's books. They were kinda cool and a bot more 'grown up" than Dr. Seuss.

Speaking of "grow up" reading. I don't know why exactly but I have kinda lost interest in PT. For the most part it seems that the only people writing good informative stuff are RBH, PZM, and perhaps a few others. Not much interest in the comments once the usual trolls show up.... just gets repetitive.

RBH and Mike Elzinga are always good commenters that actually add tot he discussion but the rest are really dull. Sometimes Kw*k is good for a  guffaw but only about one in fifty.

-DU-

Date: 2012/05/23 07:24:14, Link
Author: utidjian
In one sense the "slime pit" threads over on ERV's blog are kinda useful. It attracts all the like minded MRAs and misogynists into one convenient pile and seems pretty effective at keeping them away from other more serious venues.

In order to make any sense, and there is precious little to be made IMO, of the whole "elevatorgate" fiasco one would have to read literally hundreds if not thousands of posts and blogs in a specific sequence. Perhaps someone somewhere has made a good summary timeline of the events. The best I have seen is here. which has links to other summaries and relevant articles.

I guess NatGeo simply wants Abbie to flush out the slime pit and not create any new ones.

-DU-

Date: 2012/05/25 01:32:14, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (The whole truth @ May 24 2012,21:14)

FYI: I read some of the "Elevatorgate" stuff awhile back but haven't kept up with it and I don't remember who "Abbie" is (by name anyway). Based on what I read, my opinion is that the woman in the elevator is a paranoid drama queen....

[snippage]

Based on what you have written here you didn't read enough. Quite understandable because there is SO much to read. You would have to dedicate a sizable proportion of a week reading for hours a day to just get the basics.

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I can't imagine why a woman would get bent out of shape just because a guy invites her to his room for coffee, or a drink, or whatever it was that he offered.


You wouldn't have to "imagine why" if you had read/listened to what RW actually originally said about the incident. In case you were wondering here is the original post and video that started it all:
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It's no wonder that many men won't approach women with friendly offers, even though many women wonder why men won't approach them, and want men to approach them (well, certain men anyway).


As you can see, if you listen to what she says, it was not a "friendly offer" from her point of view.

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Does anyone remember the skit on SNL with Tom Brady in briefs?


No. Is it relevant in this context?

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I can't help but wonder if the woman in the elevator would have been upset if the guy had been Tom Brady, or Pierce Brosnan, or Brad Pitt. And if it had been one of those guys or someone similar, and she had reacted the way she did, I wonder how different all the talk about the situation would be.


Again, you don't have to "wonder" because that isn't what happened. Is there a point to wondering what would have happened if one of those people you mentioned was the guy on the elevator?

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Overall, to me, she made a huge deal out of nothing, and should have kept the whole thing to herself. If that's all it takes for her to be offended and to make a public stink about it, then she has lead a very sheltered life and needs to get out more.


All RW did was mention the incident and say, “Guys, don’t do that.” It took all of, what, 30 seconds? a minute? in an eight minute video which was little more than a sort of two-weeks-in-review update.

RW gets out plenty. She is invited to talks, conferences, and conventions all around the world all the time.

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And since I'm stating some opinions I might as well state my opinion about FTB, or at least on what the initials "FTB" stand for: Banning people JUST for disagreeing is bullshit, and while I agree with some of the things PZ Meyers says I think that he is a hypocrite, a jerk, and a drama queen in some important ways.


If you are talking about the banning of Schroedinger's Dog then, as I recall, it wasn't just a matter of disagreeing. I can't find a link to the thread of when the banhammer came down on SD but I think if you read it you would see why he was banned.

-DU-

Date: 2012/05/25 14:05:18, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 25 2012,01:47)
DU: it was this thread, but apparently the comments haven't been kept (oh, the irony!)

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ness-it


Thanks for the direct link. I asked over at FtB/pharyngula and apparently it is part of the "great renovation" as, I assume, SciBlogs gets moved to NatGeo servers. Unfortunate that the content isn't 100% available at the moment. Perhaps soon.

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Now, look at this and tell me there's no weird patern starting at Rystefn:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyng....dungeon


ETA: Rystefn was the guy photographed with Rebecca writing "pussy" on his chest with lipstick. Oh, how people change...


No I don't notice a weird pattern.

Again I can't find a readable thread where Rystefn was involved so I can't form an opinion.

Do you mean this image?:


I fail to see what that has to do with his falling out with pharyngula.

-DU-

Date: 2012/05/25 20:18:26, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (The whole truth @ May 25 2012,04:27)


"As you can see, if you listen to what she says, it was not a "friendly offer" from her point of view."

Well, my point of view is that her point of view is ridiculous.


Seriously? I think JLT disagrees that it was a "friendly offer", I think Christine disagrees also, I would guess that your daughter would disagree that, from RW's point of view, that it was "ridiculous."

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"No. Is it relevant in this context?"

I think it is. If the guy had been one of the ones I mentioned or someone similar I think that she would have bragged about the situation instead of saying "Guys, don't do that". And like I said before, they were just WORDS, unless you can show evidence of the guy in the elevator doing more than just saying something. Can you?


OK. Let's hold on to this idea for a few minutes.

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"Again, you don't have to "wonder" because that isn't what happened. Is there a point to wondering what would have happened if one of those people you mentioned was the guy on the elevator? "

See my comment above.


OK. Again... for the sake of discussion let's hold on to that idea.



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"All RW did was mention the incident and say, “Guys, don’t do that.” It took all of, what, 30 seconds? a minute? in an eight minute video which was little more than a sort of two-weeks-in-review update."

Precisely WHY should guys not do that?


Did you listen to what RW said in the video?
Did you read and comprehend what JLT said?

Even if you (or the EG) could care less about RWs "ridiculous" point of view, at the very least, it is obviously not a very successful strategy for getting some time with a woman in your hotel room whether all you want to do is talk or use her ladyparts for a little while.

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And what exactly did the guy do? Are you saying that men should not ever talk to women in elevators, or ask women if they would like to come to their room for coffee, or ask women any other question that the woman MIGHT take as a proposition for sex or something else that the woman MIGHT think is inappropriate? For fuck's sake, they were just WORDS.


I talk to women all the time on the elevator... almost every day and some times several times a day, I even sometimes ask them if they want to go and have coffee. Since I am at work and I know the person I am speaking with it is usually more like, "I am going to the cafe for coffee... can I get you something?"

One thing I do NOT do is ask a woman (or any person for that matter) that doesn't even know my name or who I am, at 4AM, alone on an elevator, in a foreign country, who I have listened to speak all day, and most of the night about objectification of women and how it really turns women off, who has said they are tired and going to bed because they have a long day tomorrow, up to my room for a little chat over coffee.

It would not just be wrong; it would be stupid. It would clearly show that I had absolutely no consideration for the other person.

If I was so attracted to RW I would have tried to talk to her at the conference or at the bar. I would not have followed her out of the bar and slunk on to the same elevator to try and get a chance to talk to her. To do so would project a lack of self confidence, cowardice, and just general overall creepiness.

It is not what RW "MIGHT" think... EG, in those few "WORDS,"  was practically screaming, "I am a LOSER! (but would you like to have coffee with me in my room at 4AM even though you are dead tired and have a busy day tomorrow, etc...")

EG starts with, "Don't take this the wrong way...." which basically tells RW that he has at least considered that she might "take it the wrong way" and then, with complete disregard for how she may see it, he goes right on ahead.

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Did the guy whip out his dick and demand that she have sex with him? Did he grab her and force her to his room? Did he brandish a weapon? Did he even say anything about sex?


He didn't have to. He already transmitted enough signals, both explicit and implied, that he was a creep.

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If it had been the other way around and SHE were the one doing the asking, would your perception and opinion about the 'alleged' situation be the same?


Pretty much, yes... with some fundamental differences. The main difference is if the situation is reversed it will not be equal. You demonstrate that in your story below.

[snip long story that is NOT the equivalent of RW's story]

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Now, there are a couple of points here. First, I wasn't 'offended' by her questions or offers, but she was offended by my refusal to go home with her and that she had to ask for a kiss. Of course no one forced her to ask but she 'felt' that she 'had' to ask. Another point is that she, a woman, and a good looking one at that, was not used to hearing the word "no" and it clearly irritated her. If I hadn't suggested the next night date and explained my "We'll see" comment she would have been totally pissed and ordered me out of the car.

If you think for one minute that all men are obnoxious when it comes to making offers to women, try saying no to a woman who makes an offer to you, and especially a sexual offer.


.... and you turned her down. Yet getting back to the idea you had earlier, that if EG was attractive enough (whatever that means), then she would not have turned down his offer. How do you figure? How is the situation RW described in her video equivalent to your story?

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Believe it or not, I know a guy who says that it's more fun to watch the pissed off way women react to the word "no" than it is to actually go home with them. I know what he means.


I believe there are some people like that. I certainly believe that you know a guy like that. I have no idea how much "more fun" it is to watch how women react to the word "no" than it is to go home with them. Perhaps your friend knows what it is like to be objectified and doesn't like it.

Was it more "fun" for you to say "no" to the attractive woman in your story than it was to go home with her? Since you said "no," how would you know?

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So, should I have been offended by the blond's offer to come home with her?


I dunno... up to you. Is there any way you might have been offended?

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Should I have made a public issue of it? (Remember, at that point she had known me for an hour or so and still had no idea whether I might be married, gay, or just didn't like blonds.)


Well you have posted your story on the internet ;-)

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Should I have done so when other women have offered me something, including sex?


Was this the first time you ever told that story?

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Does my being a guy matter? If so, why exactly?


Yes it does matter. The reason it matters is because it isn't about you.

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You have heard the terms 'equality' and 'women's lib', haven't you? I know I have, plenty of times, and not in a calm way many of the times. The words "I'm equal, I don't need a man, I can take care of myself, this is the 90s." will ring in my ears forever.


Your situation, your story, your point of view is not equal.

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If women want to be thought of 'equally' and be treated 'equally' they need to STOP being two-faced, demanding, paranoid, easily offended prima donnas who want everything that men may have or achieve and expect special treatment too. Equality is EQUALITY, not special favors, and most women say that they want equality in everything, not just the workplace. Some women have figured it out but many have not.

My main point is that there's nothing wrong with asking questions or making offers, unless a PERSON (male or female) won't take no for the answer. If I were to get pissed every time someone asks me something or offers me something, including sex, I'd sure be pissed a lot. If I don't want something or don't want to do something I am very able and willing to say no, and I don't need any support from anyone else to do so. I can stand up for myself.


It isn't about you.

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And if anyone thinks that I'm a card carrying woman hater, think again. I have a grown daughter that I love more than anything and who I raised to be fair and to stand up for herself when necessary, and I'm ALL FOR equality as long as it actually is EQUALITY. And if you think that the situation in the elevator and the subsequent big stink about it has nothing to do with equality, you have a lot to learn.


As you noted earlier if the guy was attractive enough she would have accepted the offer bragged about it yet, you yourself, in what you think is an equivalent situation, turned down the offer. I have no idea if you ever bragged about it.

My point is... you are holding RW to a different standard than yourself so perhaps things are not as equal as you think they are or should be.

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By the way, has the guy in the elevator ever told his side of the story? I don't remember if I ever saw his version.


I very much doubt he ever will.

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Almost forgot:

"RW gets out plenty. She is invited to talks, conferences, and conventions all around the world all the time."

Big deal. That has nothing to do with what I'm saying.


You said, ".... she has lead a very sheltered life and needs to get out more."

Date: 2012/06/14 14:37:39, Link
Author: utidjian
Glen,

I think it was more like:

Ray: "I'd be in jail if I wasn't a christian."
Eric: Eric looks at Ray and hesitates before he says:
"I'd be breaking out of jail if I wasn't a christian."

Either one is pretty funny since, as Kent Hovind would probably say, "I'm in jail for being a christian."

-DU-

Date: 2012/06/21 13:12:00, Link
Author: utidjian
FTK:

A few things: Everything that OgreMKV said about accreditation. It is especially important, at the undergraduate level, if your child decides to change schools as to whether the course work done at one school is acceptable at another.

What does your child really want to do? If it is something astronomy then there aren't many jobs in it and the pay isn't the greatest, but if that is his passion then... go with it. If it is engineering the money is pretty good but the courses are really tough. There is a pretty high attrition rate for engineering. In most any of the natural sciences his or her math needs to be pretty strong. Same with engineering.

Schools: Places like UC Berkeley (for example) have an excellent reputation as science and engineering schools, but that is mainly their graduate schools. For an undergrad UC Berkeley is a pretty brutal place to learn. Places like Stanford ($$$$$$) and MIT are much better because they simply care for undergrads better. Smaller 4 year "teaching colleges" or liberal arts colleges can be an excellent value both for the money and for the quality of education your child will receive.

I am not a professional counselor/adviser on colleges or career tracks but I may be able to help with some ideas/experience.

PM me if you want to discuss it further.

-DU-

Date: 2012/06/27 12:42:53, Link
Author: utidjian
I did my (about) once per month peek at UD and they have all but died out.  Most articles have "No comments" and the few that do are usually 2-5 posts. Some (very) few have over a dozen.

Is there anything really worth discussing over there? They don't seem to even want to discuss it among themselves.

-DU-

Date: 2012/07/03 10:02:04, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (afarensis @ July 02 2012,22:18)
Harumph! Apparently, when Nat Geo migrated all the blogs from Science Blogs they included all the blogs of those who have left Science Blogs as well. All except mine that is  :angry:

Perhaps yours was just too boring to bother with? :ducks:

In the migration they also seem to have dropped or lost comments on some of the older popular blogs. Pharyngula comes to mind.

I just checked http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ryngula and while there are comments enabled, there are very few (looks more like UD.) I guess hardly anyone reads Pharyngula on SB any more and all commenters have moved to the new FtB site. Many of the SB blogs seem to be like that though ERV seems to still get some.

-DU-

Date: 2012/07/08 14:20:13, Link
Author: utidjian
Quote (BWE @ July 08 2012,03:50)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2012,15:28)
"Free Thoughts Blogs" - they're not though, are they?

BWE, That wall of text (I did read it) was, in my opinion, a waste of a perfectly good bourbon-buzz.

Perhaps you should re-visit the thread that has got you so worked up. Yes some of your posts are missing (I think they are sorta archived at TalkRat.) Do a search  for "bwe" to find the most relevant parts. Also re-read your original post. IMO, in the comments Louis pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole Problem™ you have with PZ, New Atheists ™, elevatorgate, and whatever else bourbon braised brain is currently stewing in.

I still don't know that PZ deliberately lied to you. At this rate we will never know if he made a mistake or was just trying to slip one by while puffing himself up or some other reason. It doesn't really matter because (as Louis says and I agree) :

Louis:
 
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None of it has any bearing on the accuracy of his arguments or not. None. Not a sausage. Just like Abbie’s hair colour or choice of dogs or particular style of communication. I may like or hate all of these things about all of these people and more, but it just simply does not matter when it comes to the validity of their arguments.




-DU-

Date: 2012/07/08 14:24:30, Link
Author: utidjian
Not to change the subject (much) but it appears that UD has noticed "elevatorgate".

LINKY

by none other than "Slimy" Sal Cordova.

This bit,
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HT:
Thunderfoot
Who brought my attention to the whole Rebecca Watson affair and PZ Myers’ suppression of academic freedom in the aftermath.

at the end was interesting.

ETA: and now there are comments. Sal tut-tutting.

-DU-

Date: 2012/07/08 17:31:54, Link
Author: utidjian
FtK,

Unfortunately sometimes professors are not the best advisers on the state of the industry external to their particular school. I do not mean to denigrate any and all professors but they do have a vested interest to some extent in having more students.

Does your son have a pretty impressive portfolio? If not he should start building one. Also make it available online and include all his work and especially videos of any animation he has done. Even if it is a just a stack flip cards in a booklet.

-DU-

Date: 2012/11/15 14:10:37, Link
Author: utidjian
I think FCD == Friend of Charles Darwin

or something.

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