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Date: 2006/05/17 19:23:54, Link |
Author: snoeman |
I have tried to read through various threads at UD and must ask the regulars here: How do you do that and avoid brain rot? |
Date: 2006/06/07 17:43:46, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Ichthyic's advice is good in principle, but when you are back and in full ridicule mode, you should keep your metaphors un-mixed. Instead of "pounding his head into soft mush" with your rapier wit, perhaps try "skewering repeatedly" - much more appropos of a weapon intended for stabbing. However, if this isn't enough, you might consider upping the ridicule with the "bludgeon of satiric rhetoric." This should be effective in all but the most extreme cases. (DaveScot, Salvador, etc.) Of course, the best of both worlds will be found in the "Bludgeon of Satiric Rhetoric" with the "Nail of Biting Sarcasm" driven through one end. Those who are wilfully ignorant, i.e., they choose to be so, deserve ridicule. |
Date: 2006/07/09 19:05:30, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Plenty of tard to go around? They're doling it out with one of those excavators used for mining coal. Someone please tell me that Stu Harris dude isn't teaching in the Seattle school district. Bad enough we have to put up with the DI setting up shop here. |
Date: 2006/07/15 07:40:30, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Kreationism Kamp motto: It's never too early to maximize your children's ignorance!™ |
Date: 2006/07/31 17:27:45, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
Stevestory: That's a real gem. Have you saved this elsewhere? This seems like one of those situations where the entire thread could disappear faster than an embarrasing gaffe on Uncommon Descent. Hmm. Are recursive similes valid? |
Date: 2006/08/12 11:17:36, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Wow. That's... just... bad. Reading Comprehension, thy name is not BarryA. I wonder if BarryA will get an invitation to join the rest of the Tardiati at the DI's CSC 10 year bash? |
Date: 2006/08/12 19:09:51, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Yeah, that's the one. I get a headache every time I remember that the DI is headquartered in my hometown. I think it's safe to say the Federal Rules of Evidence are more complex than the diagrams IKEA uses for instructing consumers on how to assemble its furniture. That said, given his, uh, analysis on that UD thread, I have to wonder if BarryA has ever shopped at IKEA, and further, what the furniture looks like when he's done assembling it... |
Date: 2006/08/15 17:42:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Noah to god: You want me to collect what? |
Date: 2006/08/30 19:12:38, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
OA wrote:
It's this kind of thing that causes my irony meter to blow a fuse, even though it's stored well away from the computer while reading UD. DaveTard: "PT censorship!!!" (No examples provided by DT) BarryA: "Are there any materialists out there braver than Leo who want to take a shot at a response?" ... frantic sounds of response posts being ignored or deleted ... BarryA: "No? You materialist cowards!" |
Date: 2006/09/01 18:54:13, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Water policy in CA is atrocious, but it's not much worse than it is elsewhere in the western half of the US. Water policy has pretty much sucked for, oh, 150+ years. Actually, in CA, the overuse of groundwater isn't the actual cause of salinity problems. The problem is the ground itself. (The problem with the overuse of groundwater is... the overuse of groundwater. Unlike oil, which can never be replaced, aquifers do replace themselves over time, but that is hardly comforting when you remove several feet a year and nature replace just a few inches...) Back to salinity: as a contrast, the Colorado River has high naturally occuring saline sources feeding into it. On its way to the sea (if it actually still got there...), the same water gets used multiple times for irrigation, resulting in the Colorado getting increasingly saline. (Farmers use it and what doesn't get used by the crops flushes back through the soil through salt deposits and into the Colorado again.) How this relates to CA is that in places such as the southern San Joaquin, there's often a layer of impermeable clay sitting just a few feet down, so whatever salts are in the water used for irrigation get perched there and have nowhere to be flushed. Eventually, the salts build up into the root zones of the crops, killing them and also making the land useless for agriculture. (Although I wish I could claim to be original, what I just wrote paraphrases Marc Reisner's Cadillac Desert.) The history of water policy in the western US is actually a fascinating read (except for the mind-numbingly boring Battling the Inland Sea). Not that it matters, but I'm in Seattle, where we are still ticked off about CA trying to divert the Columbia River... ![]() |
Date: 2006/09/10 18:23:07, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
DaveTard wrote:
Huh. I'm guessing he's referring to the KvD decision? I had no idea the federal court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania was so influential as to make public funding for an ID research program illegal, at any time anywhere. And this merely by finding against ID in a lawsuit prompted by a singularly clueless policy enacted by an equally clueless school board. I can only assume that this region of Pennsylvania was the epicenter of some truly groundbreaking ID, um, research. This was undoubtedly research that was cruelly and wantonly snuffed in its infancy from lack of funding, due solely to an activist judge who turned out to be a latent toady for the elitist clique of scientists demanding testable hypotheses, predictions of phenomena resulting from those hypotheses and supportive or falsifying evidence garnered as the results of testing. |
Date: 2006/09/13 18:48:26, Link |
Author: snoeman |
A request: One of the features I like about PT is that the browser automatically scrolls down to the newer comments. I'm assuming AtBC uses different software, so the same feature might not be easily added here, but it would be a "nice to have," should the idea strike Dr. Elsberry favorably when he has literally nothing else to do. Thanks. |
Date: 2006/09/19 15:14:49, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
Salvador Cordova wrote:
Is that Sal, in, dare I say it, a bit of a snit?. I thought his M.O. was a wholly transparent and insincere politeness. Or does that only apply when he's busy mischaracterizing evidence or outright lying to evolution supporters and those who are learning about it? |
Date: 2006/09/20 09:43:38, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Wish I could remember where I read this: "If a ship really is sinking, then maybe the rats have a point." |
Date: 2006/10/12 02:53:14, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Ah, is that why UD has been so slow to open when I click on links from here? |
Date: 2006/10/18 19:31:12, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Has anyone else had trouble getting to UD lately? I've been clicking on the links provided in many of the posts here, and the linked page never comes up. A new browser window opens up with an indication that the UD server has responded, but the little Firefox progress meter stalls out about halfway. Any ideas? |
Date: 2006/11/06 18:21:22, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
I realize that this is so, like, one page ago, but my jaw dropped when I read this comment from JasonTheGreek on that thread:
Faith is based on evidence? Is this a normal level of 'tard from this dude? |
Date: 2006/12/18 23:52:28, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
As to Professor Miller's e-mail: Definitely brought the funny. |
Date: 2006/12/21 23:20:37, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Seattle. Still get headaches every time I remember the DI is based here... |
Date: 2006/12/28 10:50:40, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
I'd be up for the Hilltop Alehouse. Just about any evening works for me, except for - oddly enough - Fridays. 38 y.o., btw, doing R&D for a logistics company. (really) |
Date: 2007/01/03 23:21:44, Link |
Author: snoeman |
So, about two or three pages ago there was some noise made about Seattle-based AtBC lurkers/regulars actually making human contact, i.e., meeting to drink beer. If there is actually any interest in doing this, may I propose the following: 74th Street Ale House Saturday, January 20, 2007 @ 7:30pm Or, make your own proposal for an alternative date, time and/or venue |
Date: 2007/01/04 21:02:06, Link |
Author: snoeman |
This is who I have listed as coming so far: snoeman argystokes JohnW Steviepinhead This is who lives in an inferior city 3 1/2 hours south of Seattle and can't attend (unfortunately): BWE This is the list of people who shall receive beer from us via 2nd day air FedEx*: Richardthughes Looking forward to it. * Sorry, Priority Overnight is sooooo expensive. ![]() |
Date: 2007/01/15 07:58:15, Link |
Author: snoeman |
In the "Where's everybody from?" topic, several of us agreed to meet for beer as follows: 74th Street Ale House Saturday, January 20, 2007 at 7:30pm Those expressing interest included: snoeman argystokes JohnW Steviepinhead We're still on, I assume? I'll try and arrive a few minutes early. See you then. |
Date: 2007/01/15 19:46:37, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
I think one of my kids has a stuffed panda - not nearly as well-traveled as Prof. Steve Steve, but sufficient. Either that, or I'll make a little table tent card with "AtBC" on it. Either way, I'll be marked as a total tool, but whatever. |
Date: 2007/01/21 10:48:02, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Last night, several of the Seattle-based regulars of AtBC met at the 74th Street Ale House to discuss the topics of the day and get to know one another. In attendance: clamboy, argystokes, Steviepinhead, JohnW and snoeman Not in attendance: Tards. Some personal trivia: -> The group was fairly diverse in ages, ranging from (I estimate) those in their 20s to those in their 50s -> Several professions were represented, including: A grad student in the biological sciences, an R&D analyst, a biostatistician, a trial lawyer and a sign-language interpreter -> We come from many different places: a native Seattleite, the UK, Georgia, Massachusetts and one other place that escapes me at the moment... -> One of us is a "Motorhead" fan -> One of us had a baseball cap, whose brim had been curled into a nearly perfect cylinder -> At least two of us were atheists, at least one of us is agnostic and the remaining two are undetermined. (The atheists tried to hide the horns coming out the tops of their heads, but it was no use.)* ![]() The topics ranged over history, some politics, religion, science and - oh yeah - antievolution. Each of us got involved in the topic at different points in time: a couple of us during KvD and others stumbling over it a few years ago in the course of researching other things. One of us has been a veteran reader of Talk.origins since at least 1996. Some conclusions we reached: -> All of us are thankful for the people that consistently read UD and post the best of the Tard; none of us could stomach it on our own -> The AFDave thread was valuable to expose a lot of lurkers to a free education in scientific areas of which they may not have been aware, and in contrast, show an example of the utter dishonesty with which creationists such as AFDave conduct themselves -> None of us would go up in a plane piloted by AFDave -> We agreed that characterizing the DI as a society of "professional liars" was most apt -> We almost felt sorry for Dembski and how far he's fallen. One thing that I don't believe we resolved was on the nature of the intellectual dishonesty of creationists. Is it possible for someone who believes in the literal truth of the bible to accept the fact that there is an unresolvable disconnect between that belief and the evidence we observe in the world? That they can accept that they may not find out why there is a disconnect until they meet their god? Or, are their beliefs so strong (or are they so fearful) that they must resort to dishonesty and fabrication to discredit that science-based knowledge which they believe threatens them? If I've forgotten anything, please feel free to add on or make corrections. In any case, I know I enjoyed meeting everyone, and would enjoy doing it again. * Some fundie will take that seriously and go, "Horns?? I knew it!" |
Date: 2007/01/22 19:55:35, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Russell inquired:
With one exception, all of us had local ales. Steviepinhead stuck with Dry Blackthorn Cider. snoeman: Mac & Jack's Amber argystokes: Hale's Cream Ale JohnW: A local IPA (don't remember the brewer) clamboy: A local dark winter ale (also don't remember the brewer) Blipey asked:
We've not scheduled the next meeting, but I'll bet that we could make ourselves available for an ad hoc session. ![]() |
Date: 2007/01/23 23:36:14, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
I resent that. Our three weeks of summer are the nicest you'll find anywhere. ![]() |
Date: 2007/02/01 23:17:25, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
I am, in principle, always in favor of more beer. What about the 17th? (Saturday) The 74th St. Alehouse works well for me. |
Date: 2007/02/02 00:04:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Actually, our weather has been exactly the same as Palm Springs over the last several days... except for the "72 degrees" and "balmy" parts. You'll be happy to know, by the way, that despite the depressing state of science education in the US, one of my colleague's nieces has really committed herself to become an ichthyologist, primarily because she thinks sharks are really cool. |
Date: 2007/02/02 07:58:03, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Very much so, apparently. My cubicle quad mate tells me that her niece saw a couple of documentaries a few years ago, and ever since then, nothing else will do except icthyology. As far as I know, she's a teenager now, so there's still a few years before she gets there, but you're on notice now that another fish lover should be joining your ranks... :) I'd be curious to know from some of the scientists who post here if they had a similar experience as kids - if there was an "aha" moment that set them off on the science path they ultimately chose. There are so many disciplines to choose from in the sciences, and one can't specialize in them all. What motivated you to choose the particular path you took? |
Date: 2007/02/05 23:07:41, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
ok then. 74th St. Ale House on Saturday, Feb. 17 at 7:30pm. 1st order of business: get beer. 2nd order of business: identify a gaol from which to have JohnW thrown out of. |
Date: 2007/02/07 00:04:19, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
phonon wrote:
Paraphrase of the South Park underwear gnomes, right? |
Date: 2007/02/10 15:32:47, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
dont wach it. saw 3 minutws, eyes roled to far, got stuc. cant se keybord well enougk to type now. *snap* Ouch. It's bad enough that at some point even the camera had to be thinking, "jebus, this is retarded." |
Date: 2007/02/14 20:10:20, Link |
Author: snoeman |
-edit- Seattle AtBCers: Still on for Saturday? February 17, 7:30pm 74th St. Ale House |
Date: 2007/02/17 17:36:54, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Hate to say it, but there is a resemblance. Doppelganger, perhaps? Beyond the "look alike" aspect, some definitions also include the characteristics of "evil twin" or "opposite personalities." Consider: argy and Bozeman look alike? Check. argy: atheist. Bozeman: fundie argy: biological sciences grad student. Bozeman: IDiot argy: funny. Bozeman: not so much Seems like a perfect match. ![]() |
Date: 2007/02/19 23:14:28, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Proceedings Volume II As noted by steviepinhead already, attendees included himself, Jedidiah Palosaari from PT and me. The topics ranged over the environment, the dishonesty of the DI, where we have lived, the nuttery of AFDave and jury duty. By far, the best part of the evening was getting to know Jedidiah. As it turns out, he's been following the Evolution v. Creationism thing longer than any of us in the AtBC Seattle group. In fact, he's been a regular reader of talkorigins since the BBS days of the early '90s; except at that time, he was a creationist. Huh? Well, a funny thing happened: Jedidiah paid attention to the evidence. He was persuaded that the data supporting evolution couldn't be reconciled with a literalist interpretation of the bible, and now is strongly irritated by the blatant dishonesty of the DI. He has apparently admonished them on their own blog on this point. Whatever expectations one might have to the contrary, he's an example that reason can reach anyone with an open mind. Besides that, Jedidiah is witty. I'll get in trouble with steviepinhead for not remembering the exact exchange that I was supposed to include in these proceedings, but suffice it to say that J is not lacking in the clever repartee department. Hopefully, we'll be able to get together again when Blipey's in town. |
Date: 2007/03/05 08:00:16, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
From the "Seriously Flawed, Pt. 2" section:
The conservative view of scientific issues? Even though this entry correctly summarizes the, uh, quality of the evolution article, it's nonetheless a bit saddening. The fact that there is an expectation that our best method of understanding our world is subject to view through the lens of political ideology is unsurprising, but still saddening. |
Date: 2007/03/07 21:11:40, Link | ||||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||||
J-Dog:
Commonly attributed to Winston Churchill. |
Date: 2007/04/01 18:13:57, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
My guess is that they will most likely ignore it. If they can't stand not responding, my next choice would be "whine." Should they opt to go the whining route, I can only hope that it takes the form of Luskin having a group whinge with Egnor via podcast. There's something about the idea of having that fawning dolt interview that bloviating ignoramus in response that could provide as much humor value as the original prank on PT. ![]() |
Date: 2007/04/06 08:00:34, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
What's so hard about English? Anyone can understand it. It's well known, of course, that if you just speak LOUDLY and V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W-L-Y, "them furners" will understand you just fine. If not, just continue to speak ever more loudly and slowly - eventually, they'll understand you. ![]() |
Date: 2007/04/12 23:52:07, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Exactly right. If the ID movement were truly serious about ID as actual science, they would take up the ever-standing challenge to participate in the only public debate that matters in science: peer-review. Whatever the protestations of the DI and FtK, that's not what they're about now, nor is it what they have ever been about. A 'debate' forum such as the one DI wants, lends itself only to the provision of an appearance of scientific legitimacy to the DI and their hangers-on, groups that can most charitably be described as bands of professional liars. |
Date: 2007/04/14 10:06:55, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Zach:
How did you like it compared to e? |
Date: 2007/04/16 20:58:03, Link |
Author: snoeman |
I'm just a "concerned parent." I wasn't really aware of the whole ID thing until I heard about and started following the Dover trial. Then I started reading the NCSE website, PT, etc. and landed here for the entertainment. When they start going to school, I want my kids to learn science and about science: as much as they can get. It's just so valuable in so many ways. Having said that, I don't want it tainted with the vacuous, intellectually dishonest pseudoscience crap promoted by the likes of the DI, the rest of the liars for Jebus and others of that ilk. Not that I'm bitter, you understand. ![]() Hence, I keep an eye on where things are going. |
Date: 2007/04/17 23:27:57, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Arden:
How about Romance languages vs. Germanic languages for English speakers? I took French in highschool and German in college. Personally, I found German much easier for me to learn than French, but I've wondered if my experience was not typical based on some anecdotal comments I've heard over the years. Out of curiosity, if it's not too silly a question, do languages exhibit any kind of patterns or preferences in how new words or concepts are added over time? (e.g., tending to adopt from other languages, creating them based upon older words (or whatever the proper way of expressing that would be)) I ask because I've always liked the German version of "vacuum cleaner," i.e., "Staubsauger" or "Dust Sucker." Equally descriptive, and more pithy, in my opinion. |
Date: 2007/04/19 07:55:07, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Do you develop extra rows of teeth once you become an icthyologist? ![]() |
Date: 2007/04/24 23:07:10, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
Actually, considerably less singee from Sheryl would be equally welcome. ![]() |
Date: 2007/04/24 23:52:58, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Sapphire is the only gin that should be used in martinis and should only be stirred. It's likely apocryphal, but Churchill's reported to have stated that his recipe for martinis was to "pour the juniper distillate liberally whilst glancing at the vermouth bottle briefly." Even if he didn't actually say it, he should have. ![]() |
Date: 2007/04/26 19:45:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
It's weird what people will drink on occasion. I was in Dublin several years ago on a business trip, and my colleague that was hosting us took us to a spot for dinner called the "Badass Cafe" - a kinda sorta "American" style place. They had a broader selection of beers beyond the standard pub fare of Guinness (Murphy's if you're in Cork) and Harp. Naturally, I figured our Irish hosts would go for the Heineken, or something Belgian or German. Nope: they went straight to the BUD LIGHT. As I found out, this was merely a temporary aberration, and we proceeded to a more normal Irish mode of drinking later, or at least that's what they told me. By the way, I seem to be missing about eight hours from the evening of February 17, 2001. If anyone has seen them, please let me know. I'd like to have them back, no questions asked. |
Date: 2007/05/05 16:01:45, Link |
Author: snoeman |
How about Saturday, June 9 for a session? I suggest either meet at 7:30pm as usual, or if you want to meet mid to late afternoon, we could do that. Perhaps JohnW or argystokes would care to suggest a place this time? I was thinking that Hale's or the Hilltop would be good. It's one notch up on the expense scale, but the Hi-Life in Ballard would also be good. However, all three of those choices represent selfishness on my part, as they are all pretty close to where I live, but I'm open to other possibilities. |
Date: 2007/05/09 00:12:23, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
For now, how about we settle on the Hi-Life? One caveat: It's less pub-like than either Hale's or the Hilltop. (It's owned by the same folks who brought us The 5 Spot, Atlas Foods and the Coastal Kitchen.) So, as much as I like the place, if people prefer something just a little more casual, then I'm open for either Hale's or the Reading Gaol instead. Hi-Life Information |
Date: 2007/05/09 19:41:47, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
It has gills? Icthyic would approve. ![]() |
Date: 2007/05/16 01:08:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Wes, I read your post and Matt Penfold's follow-up and had a few thoughts on the matter. I'm not a scientist, and I'm not really familiar with the competitive landscape in which you operate. So, the notion that there would be a penalty of the kind you describe for trying to do good in the form of outreach and involvement hadn't occurred to me. It does make a hard kind of sense why that would be the case, though. If I understood what you wrote correctly, your reference to the change in "scientific culture" meant a change in the culture of the members of the scientific community itself. I think that notion is laudable, but I see an obvious problem in finding a mechanism that negates the penalty that you wrote about. I suppose the issue is: Can real value be found in the kind of involvement you wrote about? Value that could offset the opportunity missed to do research or experiments? I think it possible that there may be value to be found, of the "soft" kind, but to see it may require a longer view than acceptable in our society that's always looking to this quarter's financial results. Although it seems naive as I write it, perhaps one place to find that value is to encourage and reward much more heavy involvement by working scientists in primary and secondary science education, in addition to their regualr work. (This isn't meant to suggest that a lot of fine science teachers don't inspire their students, but how much more could be offered in addition by working scientists?) The value to be gained is in the long view: - More kids exposed to more people pursuing their interests or passions in science - A real opportunity to demonstrate that science at its core is a method and way of knowing and learning, and isn't required to be a threat to their religious convictions - More kids retaining an interest in pursuing science The value in the long view to the scientific community is more overall interest in supporting or participating in science. For example, Wesley Elsberry, PZ Myers, Icthyic and Ken Miller may not have produced as many new results while they was working with eighth-graders in the kids' biology classes last semester, but the long term impact they (and others) have on those students could mean that there may be more new Wesleys, PZs or Icthyics than otherwise. At the very least, perhaps there's a more science-supportive next generation. Probably unworkable and naive, but perhaps there's another way to find and quantify the value community involvement brings. Edit: Fixed an annoying spelling error that I know I'm going to make every time if I'm not careful, and yet still managed to do it anyway. ![]() |
Date: 2007/05/17 00:02:38, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
BWE:
BWE, From what Wes has written, I think there are both economic and cultural aspects. No doubt it is a cultural issue, in the sense of trying to change the culture of the scientific community for the purpose of trying to impact the broader culture, i.e., win hearts and minds. However, I agree with Wes that approaching this from an investment (economic) perspective is worth considering. People do tend to act in the ways that are the results of how they are measured. Based upon Wes' opening post, my understanding is that scientists are measured in part by their productivity in certain ways. (Success in soliciting grants, performing research and publishing I would assume?) Assuming that's the case, it's no wonder scientists may be reluctant to engage in less-valued activities, such as outreach, if it means they are able to do less of those things that they are measured by. So, I'm suggesting that community involvement somehow be added to the measurements that figure into the scientists' calculations. It has to be valued both by the scientist doing it, and by the scientific community at large, and one way to try is from the economic perspective. |
Date: 2007/05/23 07:54:50, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
It's my favorite magazine, too. However it's not the first time that they've missed the mark in this area. In their April 19 issue, they had an article about "Evolution and Religion" with this passage:
Link to Article (That link may require premium access to the Economist.) I'm sure I'll get corrected by someone if I get this wrong, however: It's mutations that are random. Selection is not random. |
Date: 2007/05/23 23:26:35, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Once, I read: "Fact: If you took all of the economists in the world today, and laid them end to end, that wouldn't be a bad thing." :) |
Date: 2007/05/31 07:53:52, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Steviepinhead:
My wife and I went to the Fog City Diner about eight or nine years ago with some friends with whom we were on a trip to SFO and the Sonoma Valley. We went there on the idea that the diner would be as good as the cookbook that they had published. Sadly, we were disappointed... |
Date: 2007/06/02 01:32:41, Link |
Author: snoeman |
It looks like it may be me, Jedadiah, JohnW and perhaps clamboy and/or argystokes. Plus, perhaps some recordings of Richardthughes' voice in all caps. So yea or nay on the 9th? (I'm still in, but suggest we change to Hale's.) |
Date: 2007/06/03 20:44:22, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
I'm sure it's been remarked on already, but it's amusing that they're complaining about Mark CC's supposed lack of credentials in math, thereby somehow invalidating his criticism of Behe's book. To them it seems, the credentials thing is of paramount importance, except when it's an ID-supporting biochemist making the mathematical argument to begin with. ![]() I'm off to the hospital now. My irony meter exploded, and I need to have the shrapnel removed. |
Date: 2007/06/04 01:17:56, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Just guessing here, but, you've still not read Wes' paper, right? |
Date: 2007/06/06 00:40:38, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Thanks. This fully explains my daily exasperation with my kids (4 1/2 yro and 2 1/2 yro). ![]() |
Date: 2007/06/06 01:25:44, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Try perusing the DI's response to Irons' rebuttal. To me it reads as if they really don't expect those who are on their side* to actually read Irons' paper. Instead, it seems like they're expecting them** to only read their response and sniff indignantly about Irons' predictable hatchet job. ![]() I especially enjoyed the first two sections:
-- Irony meter begins to sizzle and smoke --
Irons wasn't talking about their article when he was referring to their attacks on Judge Jones. He was talking about their Swift-Boating of Jones back in 2005-6, which clearly was ad hominem. In contrast, Irons' discussion of the CSC's origin, and their religious motivations in making their claims about ID isn't the same thing as arguing that those claims are false because of their religious and theocratic leanings. I'm sure that the response will have some staying power. In a couple of years, go to Google, enter the keywords "indignant hissy fit" and click I Feel Lucky. Bet it takes you right to their response. * Tards ** The Tards -- Edit: corrected typo -- |
Date: 2007/06/07 22:21:53, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Didn't realize that Red Hook had made it out there to the East Coast. The Red Hook brewery that argystokes mentioned is about 10 miles outside of Seattle. It's sited near a slough that has a bike trail that's very popular on the weekends. The bicyclists riding north toward the brewery ride in much straighter lines than those riding south away from it... :) |
Date: 2007/06/07 23:40:50, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
No, it has to be Ghost of Paley. Dude's a pathological troll. |
Date: 2007/06/08 07:59:08, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
Having had Red Hook both pre- and post-acquisition by Anheuser Busch, I can report that quality did not suffer. I just hadn't recalled seeing it in any stores off of the West Coast... |
Date: 2007/06/08 19:50:57, Link |
Author: snoeman |
We are on for tomorrow: Hales at 7:30pm, with at least: snoeman Jedadiah JohnW and perhaps clamboy |
Date: 2007/06/09 11:43:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
My wife and I visited Blackwood Canyon back in 1994, and I have to say that it was the winery we liked least of the ones we visited that weekend. Each of the wines we tasted seemed heavily oxidized or off in some way. On the other hand, one of the wineries in Central/Eastern Washington that we really liked to visit: Chinook Wines Two of our favorite Washington wineries overall: McCrea Cellars - Specializes in Rhone varietals. Andrew Will Winery - Good Merlot and Bordeaux blends |
Date: 2007/06/09 12:36:07, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
I'm afraid we'll have to content ourselves with beer, wine and cider. For reasons passing understanding, Washington's liquor laws prohibit sale of hard alcohol in a "pub" like Hale's... Fortunately, there's a lot of beer available at Hale's, and should it prove necessary, we can always drink straight from the tap. ![]() |
Date: 2007/06/10 02:24:48, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Minutes of the AtBC Society of Seattle, 9 June 2007: Attendees: JohnW, Megaptera, clamboy and snoeman Guest appearances by: Clamboy's wife, and a family friend of theirs. A friend of Megaptera's was also there: Adrian, who recently debated John West of the DI on a podcast at the very same pub where we gathered. (Adrian was on the side of rationality, John West was more on teh tard.) (Booze note for stevestory: I was wrong in my assertion that Hale's can't serve hard liquor. Turns out that they can and do.) It was a good evening: * After reading the posts from Richardthughes addressed to him, Megaptera (Jedadiah) wondered about Rich, concerned that perhaps his meds were not as effective as they should be. I assured him that Rich is an "equal opportunity" skewerer (probably not really a word) of posters on the AtBC forum. (Just ask Arden.) * Jedadiah is apparently fairly serious in his suggestion to picket the DI here in Seattle. He very much resents the bad name that the DI brings to both science and theology. (The rest of us weren't brought up by hippie parents, so the notion of this kind of action wasn't as appealing to me or JohnW.) * All of us were concerned about the potential damage that could be done by the DI's "Evolution Explored" textbook, that it might actually be able to pass constitutional muster. * Clamboy had posted here before that he has had to translate creationist arguments for the deaf. I took the opportunity to point out to him that his professional ethics worked against him in this case: he missed his chance to sign to his audience (without the speaker knowing) that everything that he was about to translate for them was complete bullshit. Lots of topics were discussed: politics, atheism, kansans (reasonable and unreasonable) and Dembski's sad future. Looking forward to doing it again. |
Date: 2007/06/14 00:19:40, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Are space sharks descended from these? |
Date: 2007/06/14 19:46:02, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
The liquefaction of your onions is why you might reconsider investing in a food processor. They tend to be better for keeping stuff chunky. Blenders are much better for creating smoother sauces, soups, etc. |
Date: 2007/06/17 18:16:10, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Menu tonight: Grilled Copper River King salmon Braised kale with bacon and balsamic Yukon Gold mashed potatoes |
Date: 2007/06/22 23:45:35, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
We did, actually. I'd have made a terrible 60's activist; I can't get enthusiastic about the idea at all. 4 to 6 people picketing a laughable think[sic]-tank isn't that appealing. |
Date: 2007/06/26 07:52:42, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
Indeed. It was the part you highlighted in bold that caused the circuit breaker on my irony meter to trip. |
Date: 2007/06/26 23:48:58, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Show up, and we'll take you here for the big drinks. Two hands, people, if you please... ![]() |
Date: 2007/06/27 00:05:21, Link | ||||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||||
I think it's Zachriel. IIRC, he tried for weeks to get Joe G to even acknowledge the existence of such a concept as a nested hierarchy. So impervious is Joe G's brain to reason, I'm not sure Zachriel even got him to type it, let alone understand the concept. |
Date: 2007/06/27 00:14:00, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Made this the other night. Man, that was good. Cooked it on one of these. One of the best gifts my wife ever gave me. |
Date: 2007/06/29 00:59:28, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Wes wrote:
That's good. I've not seen that one before. May I please borrow it? ![]() |
Date: 2007/07/04 00:47:08, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
How long you marinate the meat depends on a number of factors, including what type it is and how it's been butchered. If you're marinating some chicken that has already been cut up into smaller pieces for making kebabs, 30 minutes is plenty. If you're marinating a larger cut of beef, lamb or pork, then give it at least an hour at room temperature, or several hours refrigerated. |
Date: 2007/07/05 08:11:13, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Louis:
Heh. As I read that, my thoughts drifted back to 1971 (even though I was only 3 at the time): "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss..." ![]() |
Date: 2007/07/06 19:50:32, Link |
Author: snoeman |
I won't be able to make it either. I'm on kid-watching duty tonight, and since neither one of them are tall enough to see over the bar, bringing them with me would seem a bit pointless. (Plus, Mrs. snoeman would have me killed.) |
Date: 2007/07/10 23:22:45, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Zach's my favorite. His posts are the equivalent of the 'death touch' in kung fu movies. He strikes lightly, yet leaves a trail of bodies strewn about the UD floor. |
Date: 2007/07/25 01:43:16, Link |
Author: snoeman |
I wonder if this might help Joe. It requires MS Access 2000 or later, but it's a good introduction to nested hierarchies (or "nested sets" as it's described in the links below). This stems from the problem of trying to represent hierarchies in relational databases, and specifically to explode a bill of materials using something faster and more elegant than recursive SQL. The article here introduces the notion of using nested sets to represent hierarchies such as a bill of materials (or an organization chart, or, I don't know, a tree of life...). This link goes to an Access database containing a bill of materials for an "A". You can use the query provided to find out exactly what's required to produce an "A". (You can also find out what it takes to make any of "A's" components as well.) The nested hierarchy here is that you have an "A" and everything that makes up "A" is a part of it. If you replace the letters in the table with some of the names in Zach's graph, you can very clearly see the nested hierarchy he refers to. |
Date: 2007/08/21 00:25:36, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Is it anything like the Talosians at the end of this clip? ![]() |
Date: 2007/09/07 00:36:02, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
John Derbyshire, in his book about the Riemann Hypothesis (Prime Obsession), had a great line about this very thing. Normally, I find Derbyshire to be an unbearable wingnut prick, but this was actually a very accessible book on Riemann for someone like me, who struggled through college calculus. Anyway, he pointed out that "real" numbers are just as abstract as "imaginary" numbers. As near as I can remember, he wrote: "No one has ever stubbed their toe on a 7." |
Date: 2007/09/13 23:25:32, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Glen, Gotta compliment you on this series of posts. Did you apply any anesthetic before dissecting? ![]() |
Date: 2007/09/13 23:34:29, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Apparently, Neal's "caps lock" button goes to 11. |
Date: 2007/09/20 23:19:55, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Hey, I'm in as well. The next couple of weeks are a bit tough, but sometime in October should work out all right for me. Mondays, Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays work best for me. Thursdays and Fridays are also possible, with prior consent of Mrs. Snoeman. |
Date: 2007/09/26 23:30:53, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
If it is labeled "Made in China", no doubt Mattel will be issuing a recall notice soon... ![]() |
Date: 2007/10/09 23:18:49, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Glen wrote:
Glen - If I may ask, what is it that you don't find impressive about Popper? (I'm asking out of curiosity, not because I think he's impressive.) |
Date: 2007/10/12 00:45:40, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
It amazes me that particular comment by DaveTard still hasn't made its way down the Uncommon Descent Memory Hole * * Was PZ the originator of this particular phrase? |
Date: 2007/10/30 22:23:58, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
Too bad 'Post of the Week' is already taken. |
Date: 2007/10/31 23:51:57, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
No, I seem to recall k.e. just up and disappeared temporarily to one o' them islands in the neighborhood of Oz for a while. |
Date: 2007/11/10 14:58:20, Link | ||||||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||||||
Has anyone actually seen Reciprocating Bill and FtK in the same room together? Just wonderin' |
Date: 2007/11/14 01:02:47, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
It wasn't "cute"; it was teh awesome. I was hyperventilating at the spectacle of a holier-than-thou Christian calling Judge Jones a jackass after having: 1. Knowingly pursuing a course of action that was very likely to be illegal (the original push for creationism in Dover) 2. Participating in, or at least condoning, burning of a piece of art that was offensive to you 3. Circumventing the decision of the more reason-based members by appealing for help to the particular place that would be most likely to sympathize 3. Concealing the source of the largess 4. Money shot: Get caught committing perjury on the matter in a federal court When it comes to raw, naked stupidity, Buckingham and Bonsell are The Show. [Edited for marginally better sentence construction. Even that's debatable.] |
Date: 2007/11/21 23:36:19, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
The first time I saw LA Story was when I was living in Freiburg, Germany for a semester of college. Although a fair bit of the humor translated pretty well, the scene in the "Fourth Reich Bank of Hamburg" wasn't considered particularly funny by my German friends... |
Date: 2007/11/24 11:43:04, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
The Seattle Times had a reprint of an article from the Wall Street Journal about the backlash in some religious communities against the practice of tithing. Link to original WSJ article. I was taken aback at one passage:
Effectively, Steve Sorensen seems to suggest that God runs a protection racket. ![]() |
Date: 2007/11/28 23:21:51, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
As long-time bike commuter (since July of, uh, this year) ![]() Aren't there things you can buy to deal with the cold and dark? ![]() |
Date: 2007/12/19 00:36:32, Link | ||||||
Author: snoeman | ||||||
[spelling pettiness] The relevant part regarding the flies:
Is there anyone out there that would like to imagine the taste of a dessert based on flies? [/spelling pettiness] |
Date: 2007/12/25 14:07:49, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
New Year's Resolution for 2008: Do not, under any circumstances, make ERV mad. That's some seriously good work. Methinks Dr. Dr.'s day will not be so merry. Merry Christmas. |
Date: 2007/12/25 14:23:06, Link |
Author: snoeman |
It's a lot of fun, always humorous, and often educational, to read the the contributions of the AtBC denizens. Thanks very much for an entertaining 2007. Sadly, I didn't what I wanted for Christmas: The Discovery[sic] Institute* did not relocate from Seattle to a small, windswept rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Merry Christmas to all of you. ![]() * One of the PT contributors refers to the DI in this way; I wish I could remember which one... |
Date: 2008/01/25 01:09:56, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Recently, in the core neighborhoods of Seattle, there has been an uptick in the population (or at least sightings) of coyotes. There's a site dedicated to tracking them. If you look at the larger map that links from the site, you can see the high concentrations of sightings east of I-5, north of I-90 and south of SR520. That area (Madrona, Madison Valley, North Captiol Hill, Interlaken Park) is apparently a nice haven for coyotes, and it's barely 2-3 miles outside the downtown core. Recently there's been a coyote spotted in my neighborhood. This one apparently likes the taste of Magnolia Domesticated House Cat. Fortunately, the city asked the Fish & Wildlife Service to leave the little guy (gal?) alone. |
Date: 2008/02/11 23:21:51, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
I signed the petition. I generally don't post comments at PT, but here's what I said on the petition:
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Date: 2008/02/21 23:50:04, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
That's post of the week right there. |
Date: 2008/02/24 23:38:16, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Arden Chatfield wrote:
Say nothing against the Disney Channel. It is what allows my wife and me to come even close to getting to work on time every day. (Daughters, 3 and 5.) |
Date: 2008/02/29 00:19:32, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
Louis wrote:
Can such underestimation actually be achieved? Or is it recursive without any limitation on depth? |
Date: 2008/04/10 00:30:37, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
That's post of the week. Sadly, FtK will be wondering, "Huh, I wonder who the biggest bitch in the solar system is?" |
Date: 2008/04/13 11:53:56, Link | ||
Author: snoeman | ||
That would be the makers of "Expelled", which should become apparent roughly 24 hours after its release. Edit: style change, such as it was. |
Date: 2008/04/20 11:27:41, Link | ||||
Author: snoeman | ||||
On Friday, my wife forwarded an e-mail to me that she had received from a former co-worker, inviting a group of friends to attend a showing of Expelled on Sunday. It turns out her husband works for the company that marketed the movie, and was in some way involved in that effort. Apparently, she loved it, so much that it moved her to tears. I had thought they were more or less rational people, but, you just never know. "Less rational" seems more likely at this point. |
Date: 2008/12/06 13:27:30, Link |
Author: snoeman |
Thank you all very much. It was a good birthday, except for the actual number, i.e., 40. Oh, and Arden? Bring back my cake! ![]() |
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