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Date: 2007/05/10 15:55:09, Link
Author: silverspoon
What an interesting thread. I believe I can add a bit that noone else seems to have caught onto.  Iím particularly interested in Ftkís claims that Behe has done experiments on molecular machines, and found them being IC.

Ftk from Page 3
But, what exactly do you expect ID supporters to do? I think itís pretty much up to Darwinists to do the research to provide us with evidence that would dismiss the IC that Behe speaks of. Heís done the research and finds that molecular machines are irreducibly complex. Prove him wrong...


Ftk from Page 4
ID is an inference....Beheís done the experiments and broken down molecular machines to the point of realization that they must work as a whole to function properly. Could they have evolved? I think not...but in order to convince me that they could, you need to show conclusive evidence for that assumption. If you canít, the ID inference remains a strong conclusion.

A few years ago another anti-evolution poster made the same, or similar claim. When a pro-evolution poster disputed that claim the board administrator banned him from posting claiming he was slandering Behe about him not having performed any experiments on the molecular systems he cites in his Darwinís Black Box book.

The board administrator contacted Behe, and his response was posted on the board. His email read in part:
 No, of course I haven't done lab research on the systems described in Darwin's Black Box. That's easily seen by looking at the references in the book. I chose widely-known, textbook examples of complex biochemical systems, not ones that would somehow depend on work I'd done in my own lab. For my money, that makes the argument more powerful, more widely accessible.

That was all a few years ago. From the transcripts of the Dover trial, I seem to remember Behe saying either the same thing, or something similar. So Iím curious, Ftk. What are the experiments on molecular machines Behe has done since then?

Date: 2007/05/11 14:39:21, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (stevestory @ May 10 2007,16:51)
Perhaps they are published in the ID journal PCID? ID is a real scientific revolution which solves outstanding problems, after all. It's not like they had a fake journal for PR reasons, and abandoned it the moment they lost the court case. That's just crazy talk. Such an obvious scam would never have worked on someone like FTK.

I guess those experiments are double super secret.

Date: 2007/05/12 13:24:30, Link
Author: silverspoon
From the UnReasonable Kansans thread, AKA "For the kids"


When you get rid of Lenny, I'll address your posts.

Maybe now Ftk can blame Lenny for her not answering my question either.

Date: 2007/05/17 17:58:36, Link
Author: silverspoon
Of course Gonzalez could end all the speculations about why he was denied. †ISUís policies require them to inform him in writing the reasons for his denial.

The negative publicity heís receiving from all the whining the DI is doing must outweigh any prospects of future employment in his book. †Very strange, coming from such an intelligent fellow.

Date: 2007/05/17 18:14:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 17 2007,11:25)
oh, I don't know about the need for that :)*/

multiple versions from 2002-2006 :)

This is a hoot. †The NCBCPS links page as late as May 5, 2006 listed Kent Hovind as someone who supports their cause. †Maybe Al Capone would have supported them also.

Date: 2007/05/24 17:31:41, Link
Author: silverspoon
If GG won a court case over this based on religious discrimination, wouldnít that ruling be helpful in future cases where ID proponents were claiming it as science?

If thatís the case I almost hope he wins. †:O

Date: 2007/05/24 21:31:57, Link
Author: silverspoon
We all saw when Dembski posted on his Uncommon Descent blog that Richard Dawkins only has three publications in science journals. That post disappeared within a day or two when he was called on his claim. Now his blog has this disclaimer: †

One colleague recently claimed that Dawkinsís record of peer-reviewed publications leaves something to be desired. The confusion in this case was due to Dawkins early in his career using his first name ďClinton.Ē In fact, Dawkins has a respectable publication record. ĖWmAD

It is on the right of his main page near the top but not a major topic. †This all sounds like Dembski is adding a lie to his backtracking to me. Every cite I can find by Dawkinsí refers to ĎDawkins R.í as his publishing identity. If Dawkins didnít use ĎDawkins Cí or ĎDawkins C.Rí, or something similar in his early published research then I believe Dembski should be exposed on this.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:07:12, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,21:55)
the people who matter already know this, and the lUDdites at UD simply don't care.

I know. Itís just that Iíve always been a Ďnail another nail in the coffiní sort of guy.

Date: 2007/06/02 20:25:18, Link
Author: silverspoon
Gee-- I wonder why the DI isnít pushing this book? I mean Big Tent and all, youíd expect them to. Right?

Date: 2007/06/02 20:47:27, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 02 2007,19:15)
Best comment ever?




5:58 pm
Hopefully this will be the catalyst to expose Atheist/Secular humanist for who they areÖ

Or the Rapture -

Not a good sign for any person who denies Darwin and wants to go to academia

Or the rapture! I wet my undercrackers.

jpark320 deserves cash for that one. What a comedic genius.

Date: 2007/06/02 23:56:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Ftk @ June 02 2007,23:16)
†It's time to put Darwin to the did this information arise? †And, is it possible for it to have evolved without the aid of intelligence? †

You mean like duplicate genes or point mutations, that sort of information?

Granted, my knowledge of biology and genetics is very limited, but Iím pretty sure these types of mutations covey Ďinformationí that can, and do contribute to an organisms overall form and fitness. †Iím also quite sure that mutations have been shown to be random with regard to fitness since at least the 1930í or 40ís. No intelligence required.

If you wish to show this was all tinkering by some intelligence, or playing pin the tail on the bacteria then go ahead. †So far all the ID creationist have offered for the last 150 years is apologetics.

Date: 2007/06/09 08:12:18, Link
Author: silverspoon
I still have a 38 year old bottle of Ripple wine vintage 1969. It still tastes like it did back them. Vomit!

Budweiser and Jim Beam are a better fit for me these days.

Date: 2007/06/09 08:29:10, Link
Author: silverspoon
If thatís supposed to be a replication of the ark, then AIG has gone a tad overboard (pun intended). According to the bible the ark was three stories high, not five.

Date: 2007/06/14 19:53:36, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (GCT @ June 14 2007,17:52)
Well, he's either full of sh*t or he has no clue what he is talking about. †Actually, I'm sure it's both.

Well, about 8 or 10 years ago posting under the name John Paul he blabbered about how the builder of the Coral Castle* in Florida used ancient levitation techniques, same as the pyramid builders. He also has said something he would accept as being an Ďauthenticí transitional would be a fossil of a reptile with hooves.

* If you donít know the pseudoscience behind claims of how the Coral Castle was built, youíre missing out of some great supermarket tabloid science. Joe G excels in both.

Date: 2007/06/18 18:11:18, Link
Author: silverspoon
How stupid of Dembski pointing to this guy as an example of ID growing among non religious people who accept ID. †The guy says heís been convinced of ID for over 10 years. †My guess is heís been into ID longer than most of Dr. Dís fan club. †Something smells, and it ainít my feet.

Since WD40 is holding up Brookfield as an example of a ďNon-Religious ID ScientistĒ, then why doesnít he point to Raeliens? They number in the thousands, and as far as I know, arenít pushing sex toys. After all, ĎThe Designerí could be a space alien or time traveler. †Right Dr. Dr. D?

Date: 2007/06/20 17:21:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
[quote=Kristine,June 20 2007,17:06]*Sigh* The Borne identity:
A very revealing sub-title indeed, just as the sub of ďOriginĒ was; ďThe Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for LifeĒ. Funny, they donít publish it with the sub-title anymore - not even in the copyright sections. Wonder why?

Cue Inigo Montoya: --------

Date: 2007/06/26 17:09:05, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 26 2007,17:06)
Again, no worries, I was just wondering if it was a real conversation, or if it was just a made up load of rubbish to show what scientists "really" think and say etc.

A creationist insurance salesman recounts a conversation with an unidentified biologist. Sounds awfully suspicious--- donít you think?

Check out the guys web site.

Date: 2007/06/26 18:53:53, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 26 2007,17:44)
Maybe it's stories like this that lead Joe G the Maytag man to claim that most scientists don't believe in evolution anymore.

That sounds like good old Joe G., always good for a laugh.
He once told me the giant gas planets in our solar system were placed there to protect earth from asteroid bombardment. When I asked him how that squared with all the evidence of impacts on the earth he went into hand waving mode. Iím glad to see his entertainment value is still top notch. FTK should take lessons from him. Maybe she already has?

Date: 2007/07/13 16:26:34, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Louis @ July 13 2007,15:26)
KNIGHTS OF ID???????????????????

Oh now I have seen EVERYTHING!

Louis (Promptly dies!)

The knights of ID are represented by Monty Pythonís Black Knight.

After the Dover trial he was heard to say: ďtis but a scratch!Ē

After Ohio dropped IDís critical analysis standard he said: "I've had worse."

And then came Kansas where teach the controversy didnít quite pan out he said: "Come back you yellow bastard, I'll bite your legs off!"

I hear their next target is Minot North Dakota. They read somewhere the city motto is Why Not Minot. Either that or they threw a dart at a map and thatís where it landed.

Date: 2007/07/17 19:03:01, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 17 2007,17:32)
(from Seattle)


I missed that description of P.K. Chien when reviewing the galleys, but will check with the author who drafted the section (it wasn't me). †"Marine biologist" or "biologist" would be a better term.

Sorry you won't be wagering, Steve.

Hi Paul. You should check with Stephen Meyer. He (or one of the other authors) identifies Chien as a "marine paleobiologistĒ in Intelligent Design in Public School Science Curricula: A Legal Guidebook.

He (Meyer) also did so in his expert witness report (revised) that never made it into the Dover trial because he withdrew. Since he is a co-author of the book in question I suggest you talk with him.

Iím glad I could be of assistance in your search for the truth of who the culprit might be.

Date: 2007/07/18 17:16:59, Link
Author: silverspoon
Just look what theyíre teaching our first graders. Iím shocked, shocked I tell you!

Date: 2007/07/18 18:04:39, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Paul Nelson @ July 18 2007,07:37)
Why weren't we shown just how different in size these groups were? they ask.

Do these people you speak of only look at drawings?

My head is swinging from the pure idiocy of this line of reasoning. It reminds me of the Peppered Moth pictures are fake argument. As if somehow that was supposed to discredit natural selection.

Date: 2007/07/20 21:03:07, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (afarensis @ July 20 2007,18:54)
Yet in footnote 21 it is admitted that some authors do provide scale, others indicate that the pictures are not to scale.

This is too funny. The Exploring Evolution people admit this in their book?

This is all beginning to look like an argument for Heap-Big-Illustrations because their intended audience hates to read. All those footnote numbers scattered throughout texts must give them hissy fits wondering what they mean.

Date: 2007/08/13 17:31:26, Link
Author: silverspoon
The original sin of Prometheus. Knowledge of fire vs. Knowledge of good and evil. Both examples of disobedience. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Heddle hates Zeus

Date: 2007/08/13 17:39:16, Link
Author: silverspoon
One month and counting and still no Q & A discussion on the Explore Evolution web site.

It looks like the ďscientific discussionĒ promised on their site is as fruitful as their super secret ID lab experiments.

Date: 2007/09/04 03:44:52, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (steve_h @ Sep. 03 2007,20:10)
09 Dec 2006 Dembski tries to get subsidised meal from an institution which no longer employs him and is escorted off the premises by security (forcefully I hope :))

Of all people Dembski should know there?s No Free Lunch.

(sorry, that was just to easy)

Date: 2007/09/06 18:26:45, Link
Author: silverspoon
Joe G made similar threats against Dr. Scott Page and Dr. ?Joe Meert. I believe he posted Meert?s home address and said something to Page about driving thru his town to go skiing. I seem to remember Joe posting Meerts address at the Baptist Board evo/creto debate pages. And his threats against Page at some other board. Both Meert and Page at the time took what Joe said as implied threats. There was more than that, but that?s all I can remember.

The person that had something to do with Joe?s workplace fiasco was Robert Rapier. Robert was debating Walter Remine at a now defunct creto board, as was Page and Joe G around the same time all the threats happened. ?Joe had made some threats against Rapier somewhere along the line also. I think that was documented on the NAIG web site.

Dredging up all these memories has Joe?s asinine comments reverberating in my head. The guy has said such stupid things over the years that my head explodes when I remember them. Like, he?d accept a fossil of a hoofed reptile as something being truly transitional, and Saturn is where it is to protect humans from comets.

By the way. As far as I know everyone he has threatened is still living, and Joe hasn?t shown up at anyone?s door. The guy?s just a prick with ears. Otherwise harmless.

Date: 2007/09/06 18:47:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
What was it that the Explore Evolution debate page says again? Oh yeah, here it is:

One way scientists have advanced the frontiers of human knowledge is through spirited, yet civil, debate about the meaning of publicly accessible evidence. Scientists often debate how best to interpret the available evidence. Controversy in science is nothing new. It?s not a distraction; it?s normal.

But still they haven?t debated anyone. By their own standards they must not be normal.

Date: 2007/09/23 21:44:57, Link
Author: silverspoon
Hi Joy. Maybe youíd be kind enough to expand on the topic you started here.

Iím especially interested in several of your comments; like this one:
The steam being released from TMI-2's cooling tower in the hours, days and weeks following the accident was contaminated with primary coolant water and the lode of radioactive material released from failed fuel and melting core, to the tune of millions of curies of everything from noble gases to heavy metals.

The natural draft cooling towers at TMI, and elsewhere including fossil plants, consist of condensate water. Condensate water is several systems removed from primary coolant water. For the condensate system to become contaminated first there would need to be tube ruptures in the generators, then tube ruptures in the condenser. Neither was documented at TMI. Even if TMI had experienced a steam generator tube rupture the primary water wouldnít have entered the condensate system. What I see you doing here is perpetrating the misconception that the TV and print media fostered at that time, and since. Almost every time thereís a nuclear incident they show a cooling tower. If you really are an ex HP tech then you know better.

And this from you:
I've seen a full-grown male human being get sucked through a 12-inch hatch that blew once in the airlock into containment, breaking every bone in his body and hurling him more than 50 feet through the air on the other side.

The emergency escape hatch at Surry is 18Ē in diameter. Please stop an think about this. An escape opening nowhere near large enough for someone to egress containment if the main door fails? Preposterous! Iíll take you saying youíve seen this happen to mean that you were onsite, but did not personally witness the event. For that to happen youíd have to be looking through the outer hatches sight glass. Thatís highly unlikely for someone who issued and read dosimetery. George came out of that accident with five or six broken bones, and a number of internal injuries. Heís doing well, and should retire within a few years. The next time I talk with him Iíll let him know he needs to check out all those other bones that were broken. Maybe he can sue the radiologists for malpractice.

And this:
Stillbirths rose 280% that year. Deformities of human and animal babies that were born were horrific.

The incidents of miscarriages and stillbirths after the TMI accident was studied. It didnít show what you have said. What it did show is a very slight increase of about 1% after the meltdown. The surrounding area had a spike in miscarriages a few months prior to the accident, up to very shortly after. Iím canít remember what this was attributed to, but it certainly wasnít the accident. It may very well have been a 280 % increase, but most came before the accident that year. †

All in all, your exaggerations, and lack of knowledge of basic nuclear plant systems leaves me somewhat skeptical of your honesty and sanity.

Date: 2007/09/26 07:52:58, Link
Author: silverspoon
So, in your new incarnation that requires you to back up assertions, or retract them, please show me how that example does not address sporty's question. Thanks in advance.

Did this ever get an answer from Ftk?

Consider this a bump incase Ftk simply forgot to back up, or retract.

Date: 2007/09/26 08:16:24, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 26 2007,07:54)
Quote (silverspoon @ Sep. 26 2007,07:52)
† †
So, in your new incarnation that requires you to back up assertions, or retract them, please show me how that example does not address sporty's question. Thanks in advance.

Did this ever get an answer from Ftk?

Consider this a bump incase Ftk simply forgot to back up, or retract.

No answer yet. †But I understand that she has been busy...

No answer yet. †But I understand that she has been busy...

Maybe itís the old J. C. Fields ploy

Go away, kid. You bother me

But Iím always hopeful

Date: 2007/10/10 05:02:55, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richard Simons @ Oct. 10 2007,00:02)
Also, please give a citation to the part of Judge Jones' ruling where he said that ID was not science because of its religious implications. I think you are just making this up, which in my book comes very close to lying.

I second this question for Ftk. Iíd like a reference for Judge Jones stating that ID could be correct, but isnít science due to its religious implications.

Jones said the only supposed evidence for ID given in the trial was (paraphrased) ID being something an agnostic or atheist would be less inclined to accept. He did say the positive argument for ID doesnít meet scientific standards. Nowhere can I find in his ruling where he says ID could be correct.

In summary, he said ID doesnít meet scientific standards, and he has no opinion on it being true other than being an interesting theological argument. Thatís a far cry from Ftkís caricature of what he wrote.

Date: 2007/10/11 22:25:38, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richard Simons @ Oct. 11 2007,22:14)
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 11 2007,21:16)
Wes, I edited that post about an hour after I wrote it because the way I wrote it was incorrect. †My wasnít deliberate.

Then why didn't you have the courtesy to respond to my question? Was seeming like a liar so unimportant to you?

It certainly wasnít changed when I posted some 6 hours later. But that was at 5AM, and I had worked 12 hours just before reading Ftkís post. Maybe I was tired and misread. Do edits have a time stamp that mods can check?

Date: 2007/10/12 05:42:33, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 12 2007,05:36)
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 12 2007,05:30)
the fundies have been claiming for years we're removed god so we can shag chimps etc

I've got an address in Soho that might interest you :)

If you give out my address one more time---
Oh wait, you said in Soho.
Never mind

Date: 2007/12/25 19:35:52, Link
Author: silverspoon
O'Leary thinks amphibs are the oldest vertebrates. Either that or she thinks creatures who donít venture onto land canít have vertebrate.

Amphibians, such as frogs and toads, live their adult lives on land but their early lives in water, as did most early life forms. Amphibians are considered to be the earliest vertebrates (animals with backbones).


Date: 2008/01/10 19:28:53, Link
Author: silverspoon
The environment can cause mutations is somehow perceived as scary?

I donít understand.

Date: 2008/01/12 16:27:14, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 12 2008,11:29)
Rattling the bannination button at one of the long-time IDiots makes me think that perhaps Dave's dieting is making him cranky...

Seeing DaveScot call OíLeary Morphadike------$50
Watching DaveScot violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics-------$300

Seeing an IDiot eat another-----PRICELESS !

Date: 2008/01/12 16:46:17, Link
Author: silverspoon
[quote=Albatrossity2,Jan. 12 2008,08:55]
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 12 2008,06:12)
New insight into Ftk's emptiness. She concluded her most recent post on incest with:
† † † † † † †  
That's confusing. First it says that we'd feel an instant attraction to our siblings if we met not knowing we were related, yet at the end of the article, Dr. Wilson says that we "don't fancy anyone we're raised with". If that's due to a mechanism that protects the gene pool (as he suggests), how does it only occur if siblings are raised together rather than if their not?

I remember reading something about this one time.....I'll have to google a while.

She doesnít remember where she read it because it wasnít in a bible tract, or on a creationist web site. It was relayed to her by a mean person.

In other words, she pretended she never read it because she didnít want to hear it at the time.

Date: 2008/01/15 17:11:59, Link
Author: silverspoon
My favorite post from the ID predictions thread at UD.
11:50 am

I am a middle school student who is interested in the science of intelligent design. I have a snow day today and I saw the post about predictions intelligent design can make. That got me excited to post on your blog. I tried going to Overwhelming Evidence blog but nothing ever happens there. I read the Edge of Evolution and The Design Inference. Iíll admit, I didnít understand a lot of what I read, but it did provide me with a great source of discussion with my science teacher. For our science fair this year, I decided to test some of the ideas I learned about Intelligent Design.

I designed a controlled experiment that would test the hypothesis that organisms are frontloaded with information that allows them to survive in a totally unique environment that could not have possibly been an evolutionary adaptation.

My question/problem was the following: Can spiders survive in new environments that they have never had a chance to live in before either now or its ancestors?
My hypothesis: Spiders will be able to survive in new environments because they are frontloaded with information that will allow them to survive in new and unique environments. This information that allows them to survive could not have been gained by evolution, therefore it was frontloaded by an intelligent designer.

My procedures (short version): Find spider hatchlings that have been born in the wild outdoors. Place them inside a broken computer (I choose a computer because they havenít been around long enough for spiders to evolve any adaptations to living with). Next, place the computer on top of a pole outdoors. Wait and observe to see if they can build a web and then successfully reproduce.

My Results: Most of the spiders moved away, disappeared or died. However, one spider stayed in the computer and made a home. It was able to catch bugs and survive.
My conclusion: Evolution could not explain why the spider survived in this radically different new environment. It was a completely different one than its ancestors lived in. The only possible explanation was that it was frontloaded with the ability to survive in a variety of environments.

My teacher said my procedures were good, and my idea was creative. I got an A!

Last week my five year old grandson had placed one end of three jump ropes under the couch. The other end he had sticking into a wicker basket. I asked what he was up to and he said cleaning out *stuff* from under the couch. He then stuck a skeleton key into the side of the basket. I asked what that did, he said it makes it work.

When he pulled the ropes out from under the couch, along came several globs of lint and a bubblegum wrapper. Pointing at his bounty he looked up at me with a big grin and said ďsee, that proves it worksĒ.

If shoghi isnít a troll I hope he ends up competing with my grandson for a job one day. My sons boy would be a shoe in.

If he is a troll then my hats off too him/her. Cutest post Iíve read in awhile.

Date: 2008/01/15 18:55:08, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 15 2008,18:41)
Who says that ID is not science? †Who says it never leads to testable predictions? The ever-reliable magnan gives us this, on the "gimme some predictions" thread at UD. † †
DaveScot (#54): ďIf we donít make that presumption (that the designer is no longer with us) then what was observed could be the result of a designer actively suppressing the evolution of P. falciparum.Ē

Not necessarily. The designer might merely intervene to inject new genetic information at certain points in time, and let RM & NS operate unmodified the rest of the time. This would not require any active suppressing of a natural mechanism, and not invoke front loading.

IOW, the designer can do any damn thing he wants to do, at any time, and we just haven't yet caught him in the act.

On a thread where folks are supposed to supply examples of successful ID predictions, this latest opium dream of magnan's, which cannot possibly ever be tested, is a real gem.

All Science So Far!

The intervention magnan is talking about is a game played by disembodied designers otherwise known as Pin the Flagellum on the Bacteria.

Date: 2008/01/23 18:34:34, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 23 2008,09:34)
We all know Dembski lied to his cultists and has no list of ID predictions that have been confirmed by research, so again, why did he do it? † And why do the tards not care? †Could it be they too know Dembski has no list and could care less?

That thread is one of the weirdest and revealing ones I have ever seen at the tard mine.

Have you ever seen a kid with an ant farm? †They often mess with it just to see what the ants will do. †As long as the ants are feed they donít care what disrupts their organization, they just keep on doing what ants do---dig.

UD is Dembskiís personal ant farm. He doesnít give a shit about them. They are for his amusement.

Edit just to see if I can.

Date: 2008/01/23 18:49:39, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (skeptic @ Jan. 12 2008,07:29)
sorry Alba, not sure which specific post that link was for. †It brought up the whole page but as far as a mechanistic theory, I'll put together a summary and post it here.

Um--- Bump

Date: 2008/02/07 19:57:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
All kinds of plants grow under 100ís of feet of sediment. Fertile soil and plant growth are often found there. Thatís how plants survived being buried by Da Fluud !

DaveTard made a similar statement about oil being designed millions of years ago for future use.

I donít suppose Dave and Joe realize theyíre dabbling into the designers intentions. †Thatís a real No No.

Date: 2008/02/07 20:17:26, Link
Author: silverspoon
I like how Granny Spice links to an organization (The Fire) concerned with academic freedom, free speech and due process on collage campuses, yet the site is mum about Guillermo Gonzalezís plight.

Close your eyes Denyse, click your heals together three times and say --- I wish they would, I wish they would.

Date: 2008/02/17 02:45:49, Link
Author: silverspoon
Since ftk is onto bloging about NDEís, can alien abductions be far behind? Since the designer could be space aliens and/or time travelers, shouldnít she? † †

The thing that I found interesting was the similarity of events of those people who had an alien abduction. People who never met each other from different parts of the world all sharing the same testimony of being taken into a spacecraft, being shown around the spaceship by designers who have pear-shaped heads ,or others having the hellish experience of having their anus probed with an instrument the size of a Kansas wheat field.

Edit: The bolded parts of the ftkís quote were changed to exemplify the extraordinary powers of the designers.

Edit # 2: Not really edited.

Date: 2008/02/22 17:36:10, Link
Author: silverspoon
And for me, personally, I donít want a school system that teaches kids that what theyíre learning at home is wrong.

I sure hope Rubio doesnít read the Social Studies sections of Floridaís teaching standards. Iím sure heíd be outraged at how they foster tolerance among various racial and ethnic groups since there are parents who specifically teach their children otherwise. †

These people are so stupid it makes my eyes burn.

Date: 2008/03/05 18:02:34, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 05 2008,17:31)
Was someone from the Seattle area going to drop by and snap some photos? †I will be in Seattle soon on business but I don't think I'll have time to go to Redmond...If I am in fact able to do that I'll not only knock on the door and see who's home I'll snap some shots of this super secret ID bunker.

Pretend to be a trash collector. Put on overalls and push a garbage can on wheels. That should get you into the place. No one likes taking out the trash.

Iíd contribute some bail money if you get caught. Then you could hire one of the DIís MANY lawyers who are fellows to defend you.

Date: 2008/03/08 09:10:18, Link
Author: silverspoon
Doesnít California allow state approved home school correspondence courses? I know my state does (or did) some years ago. †Due to an injury we used such a course for our son for a few months. The requirements from what I remember at that time for home schooling were a) A state approved correspondence course. b) The parent could develop the curriculum if they had some advanced degree or other. I donĎt remember what the degree had to be in, I just remember it didnít have to be in teaching, nor required the parent to be a certificated teacher. There may have been a provision for opting out of either a or b on religious grounds. I was glad to have the option of a correspondence course since the cost of a tutor (always an option in shot term situations) was more than we could bare at the time.

I think requiring certified teaching requirements for home school parents to be way over the top. In my case, such a requirement would have imposed a financial strain on our family since we would have had to hire a tutor. †

Full disclosure: California is one of the few states I have never been in. I want to be 3000 miles away when †Catastrophic Plate Tectonics ala John Baumgardner resumes. I suspect thatís why the ICR is moving its base of operations to Texas. Also, I avoid Kansas like the plague since my mother-in-law lives there.

Date: 2008/03/22 20:43:09, Link
Author: silverspoon
Jerry believes lying is the way to go.

8:10 pm

I do not understand the significance of the name change. Maybe the Expelled name would have tipped them off but so what. Would the interviewees have said something different if they knew the purpose of the movie? If so then, then the use of a false name is appropriate in order to get valid reactions. Otherwise they would have given false reactions.

Or perhaps they wouldnít have agreed to participate in a propaganda film?

Date: 2008/03/26 18:22:55, Link
Author: silverspoon
I see where all those invitees to the Minnesota showing who responded to personal restricted invites are pouring out of the woodwork to defend DaveScotts latest--- I mean, surely since everyone in the blogosphere is yapping about this, especially those viewers that were sympathetic to the movie who attended the Minnesota screening PZ was ushered out of.


Or not.

Date: 2008/03/26 18:30:43, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Leftfield @ Mar. 26 2008,18:09)
DaveScot, on the Clinton Dawkins thread: † †
Well, there is no longer any doubt. Richard Dawkins registered for the screening as ďClintonĒ Dawkins. How many of you knew Dawkinsí first name was Clinton?

I was afraid my response to Dave's question might not make it through the filters, so I thought I'd better cross-post it here:

Probably quite a few of us, since it was mentioned less than a year ago on this blog. I think it was when some individual was trying to minimize Prof. Dawkins' publication record, but botched the whole thing. I can't recall the details. If you search Uncommon Descent for "Clinton" you get a link to the post, but clicking on the link just gets a 404 search error. Unfortunate the way computers make things disappear.

That was Dembski who posted about Dawkins only having two published papers, right? I really can't remember the details. The non-working link to the post is on the last page of the UD search results, in case anybody wants to replicate my study.

That was when the great Dr. Dr. Fig Newton blamed it all on "a friend".

That's not the only time he's blamed one of his screw-ups on "a friend" either.

I think Dr. Dr. needs new friends.

Date: 2008/03/27 17:50:46, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2008,16:45)
Look at the name of the commenter. *eyeroll* What detectives they are at UD.

SteveH said...
Sorry, I was being facecious. The link is well known now so please, please don't remove it. And if you do please acknowledge its removal.

However, I would be interested to know if you were encouraged to share the link with others - for instance as part of a grassroots, word of mouth marketing campaign.

I see DaveTard doesnít mention that follow-up post by the same person.

What a bunch of maroons.

Date: 2008/03/27 18:00:16, Link
Author: silverspoon
Oh, and Kristine. Your link to the onegreatcityblog site didnít work for me. I suffered for the sake of all hominid kind and connected via DaveTards link.

Iíll be in therapy for the rest of the week.

Date: 2008/04/05 13:59:03, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Jason Spaceman @ April 05 2008,13:24)
A review of Expelled here claims:

Executive Producer Walt Ruloff said scientists also told them that federal health and science institutions and universities have instructed them to stop conducting publicly funded genomic, microbiological and other research into intelligent design.

Uhhh, what research would that be?

It probably means they were told to stop reading Behe & Dembskiís books on the job.

Date: 2008/04/05 15:53:45, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 05 2008,15:07)
No, it means they had to throw out the mushrooms they had growing in the basement.

Well that explains it. They were doing Ďdouble super secretí experiments for the Biologic Institute at taxpayer expense. :p

Date: 2008/04/07 16:34:17, Link
Author: silverspoon
In the sequel to EXPELLED Kevin will explore Gregory Mendel's laws of heredity, and how Mendelian Genetic thinking propagated Nazi thinking. Kevin will interview well known theologians of today. Pay no attention when these interviews are interspersed with footage of Nazis goose-stepping, and bodies of dead Jews. And the name of this sequel is-----

From Mendel to the Wannsee Conference.

Youíll laugh, youíll cry. But most of all youíll tell Kevin to go pound sand.

Date: 2008/04/11 14:41:38, Link
Author: silverspoon
Jack Elam should be resurrected so he could play David Berlinski. The resemblance is uncanny.

Date: 2008/04/11 17:21:13, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (dheddle @ April 11 2008,16:17)
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 11 2008,16:02)
Larry Fafarman is a tard † †  

I have heard a lot of rumors that Ben Stein is Jewish, and this settles it ó he says that heís Jewish.

Well now.

He forgot to add "Not that there's anything wrong with that."

Bad Larry, bad!

For his next act Larry will speculate that Benjamin Stein ímustí be a member of the Jews for Jesus organization. †Afterwards Larry will don wig & robe and lecture the U.S. Supreme Court about properly interpreting the Constitution.

Date: 2008/04/18 21:16:49, Link
Author: silverspoon
So I went with my daughter and her boyfriend to see the movie Street Kings, and ended up watching the wrong movie. I think we ended up in the wrong theater because I stood on my head and saw ďtheater #9Ē. Thatís how we ended up in theater #6.

My daughter & companion, both in their mid twenties, had no foreknowledge of what to expect from this movie. All they knew is what I told them on the drive over; That it was a creationist propaganda flick. Neither of them follow the anti-evolution crap thatís spewed from the mouths of these knaves. Afterwards I asked each of them what the message this move is. This is what they told me:

1) If it wasnít for Darwin the holocaust would never have happened.
2) Science leads to atheism.
3) Richard Sternberg lost his office and was fired from the Smithsonian.
4) Robert Marks lab at Baylor was shutdown by the administration.
5) Boyfriend noticed the contradiction, where on the one hand the film tried to say ID wasnít religion, while making the exact opposite point at the same time.

I would have quizzed them more, but they just wanted to get away from this crazy man who drug them to the most boring movie either of them ever saw. Itís amazing what my daughter will go thru for movie Gummy Bears & Raisenetts.
I counted 35 people in a 150 seat theater. Most in attendance were in the 40 to 50 age range. One couple brought 2 under 10 year old kids. I couldnít observe them from my vantage point. The teen (about 15 in front of me) was bored to tears, and kept checking her cell phone. This was at the 6:50 showing. †I figure Yoko Ono made about $315 at $9 a pop from this showing. Or maybe not. Imagine played for only about 10 seconds. I donít know if thatís enough for her to collect any damages.

I donít know enough about the Inner Life of a Cell animation to pass judgment whether they ripped off Harvard. But they did show a walking stick dragging a balloon while walking a string of DNA.

All in all it was exactly what I expected; lies and distortions galore. I hope Keanu Reeves and Forest Whitaker are happy now that they have †my $27 & the 90 minutes of my life Iíll never get back because their movie looked like a 6 to me. Iíll have a beer now if you donít mind.

Date: 2008/04/18 21:28:33, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 18 2008,20:40)

"Ben Stein's unique and uproarious humor" says Casey.

The only laughter, which was slight, was when Berlinski called Dawkins a lizard and when Stein scratched his back. About 5 of the 35 (at the showing I was at) people clapped lightly at the end. †Oh, and Egnor believes he is Expelled because people on blogs call him names. What a nut.

Date: 2008/04/18 21:57:39, Link
Author: silverspoon
I guesstamate itíll take in about $1.5 mill this weekend from what I saw tonight. Itíll be out of theaters by the end of this coming week. That puts it well under the $6 to $12 mill Iíve seen they were shooting for this weekend.

Date: 2008/04/18 22:43:03, Link
Author: silverspoon
On beer three now, and I just remember something that really set me off from the get-go. The first three minutes or so of Expelled had a soft violin version of All Along The Watchtower by Hendrix. That pissed me off from the start. It was like listening to a tuba & fife version of Blue Cheers Summertime Blues. I wanted to puke.

Yeah, Yeah--- itís a Who song originally I think. But Cheers version was better.

Date: 2008/04/18 23:10:20, Link
Author: silverspoon
YOU HOMOS DONíT KNOW NOTHING. BLUE CHEER WAS THE LOUSTED BAND EVER !!! (next to Grand Funk who blew windows out of the Hampton Rhodes Coliseum), AND HENDRIX WHO COULD PLAY WITH HIS TEETH.

(I forgot about †Dylan)

Date: 2008/06/20 16:25:49, Link
Author: silverspoon
Heading out at the end of next week for a few days in the Blue Ridge with my grandkids. Heís 6 and sheís 3. I plan on doing everything in my power to teach them counter to the Wedge Strategy by:

1) Not replacing materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and
human beings are created by God.

2) That ten states have not begun to rectify ideological imbalance in their science curricula by including creationist arguments against evolution, nor have they included design guessing in their classrooms.


3) Design has not become a concept in the social sciences legal reform movements base legislative proposals on design theory, which sounds eerily like lawyers could legally argue that Satan made his/her client do it a justifiable defense for acquittal of any crime.

Then weíll roast marshmallows.

Date: 2008/06/21 12:31:38, Link
Author: silverspoon
According to Robert Crowther over at †the Disco Institutes Evolution News & Views you have been riled up By Barbara Forrest to flood Governor Jindal with hate mail

Forrestís new ďcoalitionĒ is trying to rile up activists to flood Governor Jindal with hate mail.

The propaganda from these folks is so transparent it makes me sick & laugh at the same time.

Date: 2008/06/30 20:28:56, Link
Author: silverspoon
lcd is right. We do need real science like astrology (ala Behe) and weighing witches against ducks. We also need more real science like that presented in ID,s premiere journal which hasnít published in almost three years. †And bacterial flagellums look like Mazda rotary engines. Now thatís science !

Date: 2008/07/08 19:02:06, Link
Author: silverspoon
According to Joy on TT, and her diary at Daily KOS, she was a health physics technician on operating nuclear power plants years ago. Of course she also said she witnessed a man (who I know) break every bone in his body being sucked through the escape hatch at Surry power plant. He was sucked in, and sustained 5 or 6 broken bones. A far cry from EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY. That was in the 70ís. He just retired last month.

Did I also mention she thinks the TMI accident produced 6í tall giant clucking chickens? †:p

Date: 2008/07/08 19:09:45, Link
Author: silverspoon

Not the chicken though. I read that in the Weekly World News about Chernobyl. Maybe she was the author?

Date: 2008/07/08 19:18:05, Link
Author: silverspoon
I do remember her talking about deformed cows born with two heads caused by TMI. That I believe was on her KOS diary. I no longer have that link.

Date: 2008/07/09 17:51:08, Link
Author: silverspoon
Richard, You REALLY want a conspiracy theory?

Facts? (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
peace voter, randallt, ghengismom, indycam
Honestly, nora. If y'all were really up on your facts you'd have recognized the name long ago. My only brother was murdered by the nuclear Mafia back in 1980, in an attack on my husband and family. We've testified to Congress and to the NRC (for all the good it did) to try and prevent the restart of unit 1. We had two single-digit midgets at the time (grown now, one dead - brother had three children at the time, the youngest just 5 minths old).
So don't sit here and tell me I don't know whereof I speak. You are free to ignore whatever I have to say, but your concern trolling and pro-nuclear lobbying is not something I ignore as harmless as we move into real planning for our energy future. We've plenty of other options you also don't have to like. Argue against them, post pro-nuclear screeds, be who you wanna be. But you'll never convince me. I have as much right to my opinions of nuclear as you do.
People First Politics
by Joy Busey on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:09:50 PM PDT

1973. (2+ / 0-)
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Two years younger than my youngest, who I buried in 1992. (grandchildren are going to college this time next year!). You probably could have read about it in the '99 class action suit (2000+ plaintiffs), but Judge Rambo disallowed all their experts. Including us, which is fine with me since I went back and forth with the FBI for two years trying to find out if we could refuse to comply with a federal subpoena. I was told there "are no records" on us or my brother, despite there having once been a major FBI investigation in which all our relatives, friends, and friends' relatives were personally interviewed, along with a nationwide FBI all-points-bulletin while we were at Harvard undercover in the library sub-basement copying Kemeny TATF reports...
Rocky Mountain News, Washington Post, NBC, you name 'em, they had it. My husband's probably the only human to have eaten fire in the WaPo newsroom. Had our portraits made never to be printed anywhere. But we did get some help from our old friend Mike Synar (last honest politician in America, R.I.P.) and David Boren (chair of the then Senate Intel Oversight Committee). Made a deal. They stop trying to kill us, we stop trying to tell the truth. A deal they had to know we'd never keep, of course...
I've buried my kin. He was HP site coordinator at the Hatch nuclear plant in Georgia when they killed him. He'd come to visit us in hiding in New Mexico, while aiming at us. Yes, it's the nuclear Mafia. They're insidious (I come from Oklahoma. We also knew about Kerr-McGee). What's true is true, no matter how hard they spin it. No Nukes. Ever.
People First Politics
by Joy Busey on Thu Jul 26, 2007 at 12:56:45 PM PDT
[ Parent ]

From here:

* all bolding is mine

Hi Joy. Remember that guy who BROKE EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY? He retired last month.[QUOTE

Date: 2008/07/09 19:40:40, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,19:06)
Hi Joy. Remember that guy who BROKE EVERY BONE IN HIS BODY? He retired last month.

You've been at North Anna for the past 35 years? Wow... what a waste of life. I probably know you... care to give a name? No doubt you also remember the Hinkles who 'toked up and decided to play with the hatch crane one night. Real casualties that time, and there are the poor guys who got skewered by the control rods... You're a Hinkle-Herder?

What's your point? Are you calling me a liar, right when I went ahead and signed-in? I can surely leave, you know. How many millions of curies of iodine went out the stack? I've got the release figures right here (hint: Kemeny reduced by a factor of 10). Stop playing macho games. I'm not buying it, been there and done that. It's way old news, honey.

Here only 26 years. Other places from 74 till then. George didnít break every bone in his body. Five or six according to him, plus major internal injuries. But what would he know. Either you lied or you are delusional beyond repair. I think the latter is the case given the highlighted portions of your comments I posted.

Date: 2008/07/09 20:04:44, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Frostman @ July 09 2008,19:50)
I had not known anything about Joy outside of a handful of Telic Thoughts quotes. †Assuming it is true that so much of her family has died, her worldview seems rather less funny when I consider the conditions under which it was formed.

I donít think itís funny either, Frostman. The point of my post was to reinforce what type of people †you were dealing with during your time at TT. They are both dishonest, as in Guts case, or delusional as in Joys.
Thatís two of the four major contributors at TT.

Date: 2008/07/10 21:19:11, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2008,17:01)
Dembski - first with yesterday's news!:

Since Dr Dr simply relayed the news about Myers blasphemy, without comment, heís sure to remind his flock about freedom of speech and all that when they start getting indignant.

Oh, shit. Who am I kidding. Heíll probably call the office of faith based initiative and have a little phone sex about it.

Date: 2008/07/10 22:30:36, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (jeffox @ July 10 2008,22:06)
Dr. GH wrote:

Hey dere Jeff, my wife's da he is a old contry Nord from dere. An he cant fish fur a dam, eh? uftame go figur.

But ya commin down ta de dana point an we godda go get ona boat ya tink?

Ga, jeez, sorry ta hear dat 'bout yer fadder-in-law, eh! †Ya know, it cudda been dat he was jus bein modes 'bout his fishin' 'bilities, dere, eh. †After all, ya know, summa da guys dat get dere limit a walleyes 'bout ever' time dey go out onna lake say dat 'bout demselfs cuz dey don wan nobody goin' inna dere basemen freezer ta swipe dere eatin' fish. †Minnesotans ain dum, ya know. †:)

Local dialect aside, I would be proud and happy to go sea fishing with you if I can ever get down to San Diego again. †Just so you know, I lived there twice; the first time while stationed at NTC back in 79/80, the second shortly after I got out of the Navy, about 1985/6. †I used to work at the convenience store (Circle K) on Carmel Valley Rd. in south Del Mar. †That whole area is just drop-dead gorgeous, imo. †And no snow!!

(Back into dialect) †:)
Ya ya, good ta hear from ya, dere, Dr. GH. †An besta luck to ya on yer nex fishin expedition! †Catch one fer da wall, eh!!

You sound like a member of Da Yoopers singing Da Turdy Point Buck

Date: 2008/07/13 21:05:10, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (stevestory @ July 13 2008,18:38)
Guts/Nelson Alonzo/Whoever goes nuts and makes Telic Thoughts look like a den of fools, and a week later Mike Gene flees the site. That's an interesting coincidence.

Well at least heís leaving to devote more time to his family. Itís usually politicians in a sticky situation that use that line.

Just sayin

Date: 2008/07/14 19:29:55, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 14 2008,14:21)
EDIT: Oh, why don't you ask Casey for the ID explanation.

That question has already been answered

Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc.and fish without wrists]

I hope that clears things up.

Date: 2008/07/17 08:40:11, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (jeffox @ July 17 2008,08:04)
NEWSFLASH!!! †Revealing photo of Kairosfocus discovered on Caribbean island website!! †Full story at 11:00!!!

Iím not sure which of the following applies. I report, you decide.

Kairosfocus is:
A) Taking Howard Ahmanson and Phillip Johnson for a ride showing them the world that íshouldí be theirs.
B) Heading off for Tierra del Fuego in order to establish the Peoples Democratic Theocracy.
C) Escaping an angry calypso band after he sang the Banana Boat song ("daylight come and we wanna go home")

Date: 2008/07/17 16:40:30, Link
Author: silverspoon
At the turn of this millennium I have sold all my possessions and eagerly await the doom of you all. †:p

Date: 2008/07/18 14:44:28, Link
Author: silverspoon
Where does Luskin get this from?

In his EV news & views column he wrote:

Pigliucci's comment sure sounds like damage control. In fact, according to Suzan Mazur, a journalist experienced in covering evolution who was invited to report on the conference, there is patently politically-motivated damage control taking place.

(my bolding)

According to Pigliucci journalists were not invited. Help me out here, ftk. Is Luskin mistaken yet again?

Date: 2008/07/18 15:36:26, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2008,15:22)
Luskin doesn't say who did the inviting.

I suppose all we can do is guess. We can start by listing those who we know didnít invite Mazur and work backwards from there. Iíll strike the Archduke Franz Ferdinand off the list for starters.

Date: 2008/07/19 11:30:37, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (olegt @ July 19 2008,11:00)
†Discovery Institute should fire those fact checkers. †On second thought, maybe they should hire them in the first place.

Well, you see, you can trust everything you read at the evolution news-org. All you need do is read whatís at the bottom of each post there.
The misreporting of the evolution issue is one key reason for this site. Unfortunately, much of the news coverage has been sloppy, inaccurate, and in some cases, overtly biased. Evolution News & Views presents analysis of that coverage, as well as original reporting that accurately delivers information about the current state of the debate over Darwinian evolution.

Date: 2008/07/19 15:06:07, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (keiths @ July 19 2008,13:46)
It's sometimes hard to tell whether Joy is deliberately lying or just completely deluded. †The 'threat' she's referring to is Raevmo's description of a thought experiment in which Joy is replaced by an atom-by-atom copy of herself.

Oy vey ! I just skimmed the thread youíre talking about. If she really thinks that was a death threat, she probably thinks Iím part of the nuclear mafia out to get her.

Date: 2008/07/19 19:22:26, Link
Author: silverspoon
By sexing up UD, Dembski has found a new avenue for relieving tension. The vise strategy just wasnít enough I suppose.

Date: 2008/07/21 18:29:30, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 21 2008,14:35)
Quote (Thought Provoker @ July 20 2008,14:04)
I enjoy interacting with "PhD types". †The feeling isn't always mutual. †Many get frustrated by my oversimplication of their very complex ideas.

Some engineers, yours truly included, understand that oversimplification is a bad thing by definition. †:angry:

Having read a number of detailed reports written by engineers (without PhDís) over the years, dealing with fracture mechanics that address flawed weldments, and submitted to the NRC for their assessment and approval of the engineers resolution to the problem, Iíd have to say TP is FOS.

Date: 2008/07/21 18:53:22, Link
Author: silverspoon
Ftk will remain unconvinced until a fossilized spleen from Tiktaalik is found.

Date: 2008/07/24 21:17:27, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (stevestory @ July 24 2008,20:30)
Did you watch Ben Stein appearing on Glenn Beck yesterday? Of course not, because if you did you wouldn't be reading this now. You would be dead of a stroke. At the risk of giving you a lethal overdose of tard, here's an excerpt:

STEIN: I want -- I'm glad you brought up this Denver thing. I don't like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people. That is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America. We have a contained number of people in an arena. Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past.

BECK: Well, yeah, you know what? I've been -- I've been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever.

STEIN: Well, I think --

BECK: I mean it's crazy.

STEIN: It's a scary situation. I mean, I think he has to recognize some bounds on his own ego. I understand politicians are politicians because they have ego deficit problems and they try to cure them by having lots of worship and adulation and adoration. But 75,000 people screaming at an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian.

BECK: Ben --

STEIN: It's like Juan Peron --

BECK: It's not --

STEIN: -- and Evita.


As we all know, the more people that hear you message, the more like Hitler you are. Football, 80,000 plus stadiums, Led Zeppelin? Itís all coming together for me now. Iím joining a mega church as soon as I can.

Date: 2008/08/02 11:13:57, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 02 2008,10:07)
Meanwhile, Flannery points out that Darwin was "a rather pathetic little boy oppressed by a domineering father and overshadowed by older sisters", oh, and a plagarist and a secret atheist conspirator.

Sal spouting how young Charles enjoyed beating a puppy canít be far behind. :p

Date: 2008/08/28 16:10:57, Link
Author: silverspoon
William Nowers pops-up every now and then in the letters to the editor section of the local paper around these parts (The Freelance Star). He has said, among other idiocies, that Gould said evolution is a fairy tale for adults, and that Darwin recanted evolutionary theory on his death bed. Heís an idiot.

Date: 2008/10/12 15:31:05, Link
Author: silverspoon
Sorry Alby, FTK Ďs blog doesnít say what your replication of FTKís blog says. Iím sure you were just reading it with crossed eyes, or maybe your materialistic pre-conceptions tainted your view. Iím sure itís all your fault for misreading what she originaly wrote.

Date: 2008/10/17 18:12:06, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (bfish @ Oct. 17 2008,15:56)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 17 2008,10:53)

Iím filing this under education and intelligent design because it points out that a certain segment of the public veers radically from everyone else and itís the same segment that radically opposes intelligent design.

From Gallup 10/16/08 presidential tracking poll:

Education: Obama%/McCain%

High School or less: 42/48
Some College: 41/52
College graduate: 46/49
Post graduate: 55/40


I don't think that D'Tard has those numbers correct. There just aren't that many post graduates to make the marginals work.

Mystery solved, with the assistance of jerry at the UD site.

Seems DT cherry-picked the numbers for non-hispanic whites.

Here are †the numbers for the entire population. Obama leads in all groups.

As we all know, which Dave correctly demonstrates, †non-hispanic whites are the only demographic that *should* count.

Date: 2008/12/16 18:30:49, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 16 2008,17:11)
Or is it possible that Wee Willie is just hearing voices that the flowers are broadcasting to the radio that is his brain? What's the frequency, Willie?

Willie doesnít need a frequency since itís transmitted with an infinite wavelength you see. Dr. Dr. told him so.
And then Willie flat-lined-----

Date: 2008/12/19 16:13:47, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 19 2008,12:13)
Daniel, please alert JAD to the apparent fact that Davetard has been relieved of duty as moderator of UD. I tried to post this to Davison's insane thread at ISCID, but I got this message:

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Youíre a cruel cruel man Steve. Davidson & kariosfocus posting on the same thread could cause irreversible brain damage in flying squirrels who have lasers on their heads.*

*whoever it was that first said †that about lasers deserves a medal. I added it onto something I was telling my wife, she looked at me as if I had gone mad.

Date: 2008/12/20 03:37:18, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Badger3k @ Dec. 19 2008,17:47)
Quote (silverspoon @ Dec. 19 2008,16:13)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 19 2008,12:13)
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Youíre a cruel cruel man Steve. Davidson & kariosfocus posting on the same thread could cause irreversible brain damage in flying squirrels who have lasers on their heads.*

*whoever it was that first said †that about lasers deserves a medal. I added it onto something I was telling my wife, she looked at me as if I had gone mad.

What is the story behind the "squirrels with lasers on their heads" - was it in response to something? †I'm sure it's less interesting than it sounds, but since we're "discussing" origins, I figure I'd ask.

Unless Dogdiddit, in which case, I guess that settles it.

Someone at UD said something about original squirrels being flying squirrels. bfish added the part about lasers on their heads. Itís on page 122 of the uncommonly dense thread. Anyone needing a good laugh should read it.

Date: 2008/12/21 13:33:15, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (jeffox @ Dec. 21 2008,13:13)
Too bad those "magical powers" of hers can't keep those nasty nuclear mafiosos away.

You can't take anything she writes seriously.

The only thing magical about Joy is her incredible level of TARD. †:)

Be careful what you say. Joy might figure out the flickering street lights are how we track her.

Date: 2009/01/15 17:07:37, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Jan. 15 2009,16:32)
This looks interesting:

The Louisiana Board of Elementary and Secondary Education (BESE) voted unanimously to adopt rules today implementing the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA), the landmark academic freedom bill passed last summer.

The rules approved by the BESE effectuate the academic freedom billís purpose to allow teachers to use supplementary materials to teach controversial scientific theories without threat of recrimination.

A subcommittee of the Board removed a provision prohibiting intelligent design before passing the rules unanimously. The legally redundant provision would have gone beyond the intent of the legislation and was dropped after the subcommittee heard testimony from supporters and opponents of the language.

In adopting these rules, the BESE reiterated its support for academic freedom for teachers to teach controversial scientific theories.

According to Discovery Institute education policy analyst Casey Luskin, ďThis is another victory for Louisiana students and teachers to have a climate of academic freedom to learn about scientific controversies over evolution and other topics in the curriculum.Ē

So the state board used this as an occasion to remove a restriction that the state board rules previously held against teaching intelligent design.

Am I reading this right?

Date: 2009/02/09 17:59:16, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 09 2009,14:12)
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 09 2009,14:00)
vjtorley said that it will take 200 years to overturn whatever atheist/naturalist/Darwinist orthodoxy exists today.

This is much too pessimistic. Maybe 500 years ago it was appropriate to measure large-scale intellectual change in terms of centuries. This is no longer the case. I point to several factors:
(4) Natural science itself is increasingly forced to justify itself in cost-benefit terms, both practically and theoretically. It is thus becoming more respectable for people to demand a science that is relevant to their lives and at least does not alienate them.

And that's supposed to be a good thing??????*
That's the complete opposite of academic freedom, you hypocritical twit.

*I know, I know: multiple punctuation marks = you're wearing your underwear on your head. But sometimes you just have to do it (the punctuation marks. NOT the underwear. I swear.)

So science is only good if it doesn't spook the herd. Got it.


I knew physics was bunk when in elementary school I was told to duck & cover.

Date: 2009/02/14 09:06:45, Link
Author: silverspoon
Just let us know if you lose your office space & keys. Weíll get Kevin Miller and Ben Stein right on it.

Date: 2009/02/16 15:50:29, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 14 2009,09:32)
(snip all that other stuff)
I'll redo it.

And Louis I will answer your questions---
I have to take my son to a game.

Extra innings?

This is really taxing my lurking abilities.

Date: 2009/02/21 11:53:34, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 21 2009,11:05)
3. Because fundamental understanding in a field is not in itself always a bad thing. †Example: An architect and a carpenter. †The architect is going to understand the applied science of building. †His understanding of this will far exceed the carpenter's. †But the carpenter will usually be able to build the designs better because of his experience with tools, materials, and building techniques.

When the carpenter tells the architectural engineer no amount of trusses can carry the load of the roof, even after the architect shows the carpenter the calculations that prove it will, well, the carpenter is just being bull-headed and ignorant about the load carrying capabilities of those trusses.

Louis (the chemist from hell) just told you water does not keep polypeptides from forming. Heís the chemist who does this sort of thing every day. Just like the architect, Louis destroyed your argument from ignorance.

edited to replace an and with about.

Date: 2009/02/21 12:02:45, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (khan @ Feb. 21 2009,12:00)
He's saying being ignorant of a subject is an advantage that enables him to see the 'flaws' that are not seen by the people who have studied and practiced for years?

Is there a medical term for this particular delusion?

Dip-wad comes to mind. That, and I wanted to reach 100 posts.

Date: 2009/03/10 21:01:26, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (jeffox @ Mar. 10 2009,20:47)
Wes wrote:

I thought "the professor" was supposed to be Jerry Bergman?

Last I heard, "the professor" took off on a three hour cruise.

:) † † :) † † †:) † † †:) † † † :)

You owe me a beer & the paper towel I used wiping off my screen.

Date: 2009/04/07 16:26:05, Link
Author: silverspoon
Paul canít be bothered with providing a detailed explanation for ontogenetic depth. Heís too busy fighting the good fight against presenting the reptile to mammal transition illustrations without it being mentioned they are different sizes. He probably thinks house cats & lions canít be related because their size difference is so great.

Happy coming out of obscurity day Paul. Youíll be as obscure tomorrow as you were yesterday.

Date: 2009/04/07 18:50:11, Link
Author: silverspoon
(we are keeping the original, however, so that when the history of evolutionís demise is written, all versions of this animation will be available to historians).

When it is written? I thought creationists had done that a thousand times in hundreds of popular books over the last 150 years.

I suspect Dr. Dís enthusiasm is waning a tad. He needs a good old fashion tent revival to lift his spirits.

Date: 2009/06/09 20:13:57, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 09 2009,14:41)
As O'Leary can say it...



11:33 am
David Kellogg, Beckwith distanced himself from ID and resigned from the Discovery Institute in (I think) 2007 - to make clear that he had distanced himself, or so I heard.

As a constitutional law prof, he had only said it was constitutional to teach ID, not that he agreed with it.

That is somewhat like me saying that it is constitutional to teach that Mary Queen of Scots was the rightful heir to the British throne. That doesnít mean I agree with the view.

I donít think being a professor of philosophy & church-state studies in the department of philosophy at Baylor means Beckwith is a ďconstitutional law professorď. Maybe it would if he had a law degree; which he doesnít. Or perhaps if he taught in Baylorís school of law; which he doesnít. Or maybe, just maybe granny tard is practicing the tried & true creationist tactic of exaggerating a fellow tardĎs qualifications, yíall.

Date: 2009/06/09 20:25:34, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (dnmlthr @ June 09 2009,19:11)

Youíd of thought Dave Scott would have sanded off that tattoo by now.

Date: 2009/07/17 22:02:29, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2009,14:11)
Vintage Joe G from the Tardmines:

I wish I still had links where Joe G. (AKA John Paul) wrote he would accept a reptile with hooves as a TRUE transitional, and where he once told me the gas planets like Jupiter & Saturn were put there by the designer so Earth would be protected from asteroids and comets. I really miss his YEC arguments. Speaking of which, check out this where he was a contributor to a YEC website.

Date: 2009/07/28 16:09:39, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 28 2009,15:39)
Joseph explains his position:

† †Iíve read many of your comments, which are generally challenges and questions of generally accepted positions.

I donít care what is accepted.

I care what can be demonstrated or has positive evidence.

† †May I ask you to briefly outline your view of the history of the world?

You can ask but I havenít given it much thought, although colonization from some ancient ďalienĒ civilization seems to be more likley than UCD.

Link. My emphasis.

For someone whoís used every YEC argument know against an ancient earth Iíd say, um--- Joe, thatís a fucking lie.

Date: 2009/08/02 19:11:10, Link
Author: silverspoon
I see this as a positive for Joe.

Plastering his body with 10 to 12 Kinoki foot pads each night was getting awfully expensive.

Date: 2009/09/07 19:26:47, Link
Author: silverspoon
I know my grammar, spelling and punctuation isnĎt quite up to snuff most of the time, but this is just precious given the context. Itís a comment someone made in the online edition of my local newspaper concerning Obamaís school speech tomorrow. Enjoy. †
Keeping my Kids Homes Tommorrow (posted by GaryShorts , Sep. 7, 2009 7:09 pm)
Tommorrow I'm going to keep my kids home and teach them myself a little bit about America. The government should not be telling my kids what they can or can't do. While Obama talks about liberal energy policy and environment polices with kintergardners I'm going to teach my kids how to save money and work for a living and that is what school is about and Obama should be apoligizing to these kids for ruiening there futures.

Date: 2009/09/07 19:39:23, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 07 2009,16:31)
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 07 2009,22:35)
Just wait for the Earth's next birthday, then count the candles on the cake. (But wear a fireproof suit! )


Sorry, but it has to be said:


So if the earths birthday was October 22, 4004 BC how many candles does that make?

Date: 2009/09/08 16:07:17, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 07 2009,21:08)
If? Well, 4004 + 2009 - 1 = 6012.


Paraphrasing a long lost but not forgotten †poster here:
6,000 †or 4.5 billion years, itís hard to tell the difference with all that candle wax on the cake

Date: 2009/10/22 17:58:31, Link
Author: silverspoon
Let's at least make the Beelzebub imagery pleasurable for Floyd.

Date: 2009/10/27 08:06:39, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Keelyn @ Oct. 27 2009,07:21)
Let's see. A summary update - in 71 pages, Floyd has managed to (fill in the blank)

Make my popcorn go stale.

Date: 2009/11/12 14:55:46, Link
Author: silverspoon
Most of these questions are not dealing with biology.

Dare I ask Robert if he thinks insects are animals?

Iíve had more than one person tell me they werenít.

Date: 2009/11/15 12:12:16, Link
Author: silverspoon
Sal, why not get Joe G to ring them up and <strike>ask how their</strike> tell them what they are doing is ID research and if they disagree heíll show up at their door with a tire iron?

Fixed that for you.

Date: 2009/11/16 10:06:44, Link
Author: silverspoon
My one and only entry into the TARD mines was when Dembski claimed Jeffrey Shallit was withdrawn from the Dover case because Shallit was a liability to the ACLU in the case. My comment had something to do with the timeline of Dembskiís deposition, and his expert witness report.

It was a very minor mix-up on my part about the timeline but had the Dr. Dr. 3 times to infinity so hopping mad that he responded directly to my comment.

I later found out Dembskiís lie about Shallit being withdrawn as a liability was only street theater on Dembskiís part. † † †

What a good actor he is!

Date: 2009/11/18 15:25:47, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 18 2009,14:37)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 18 2009,14:35)
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 17 2009,17:41)
*This film not yet rated by the Prudes at UD (PUDS for short)

As my genes have been passed down through an ancestral Bavarian line, would this mean I get to star Witt Kattarina?

Richard is viewing the shadow from a materialistic perspective.

When viewed from the biblical perspective the hat shadow is clearly visible.

Date: 2009/11/18 17:05:24, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (BillB @ Nov. 18 2009,16:53)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 18 2009,22:26)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 18 2009,16:14)
But do NOT change that shit-eating Mona Lisa smile.

Disclaimer: This is not me, it is your m... I mean, I look more like Denyse O'Leary.

And now for something completely different:

Faked orgasm:


Went to Amazon's bestseller list and could not find it. But maybe Amazon gives different results when contacted from overseas?

When I force my browser to go to the .com site I found it at 95 in the top 100 books in the science category - Dawkins 'greatest show on earth' is at 6 so Meyers is lagging behind a bit, it is also quite a bit behind 'Home Cheese Making: Recipes for 75 Delicious Cheeses' by Ricki Carroll at No 77 in science best sellers!

It must really irk them that after 150 years Darwins On the Origin of Species is number 20 on that list.

Date: 2009/11/24 17:38:00, Link
Author: silverspoon
With Joseph saying Shannon does not deal with information, O'Leary saying only love-starved teenage girls have anorexia and Jerry saying lions and tigers are the same species, we have a convergence of the Perfect TARD.

What a bunch of idiots.

Date: 2010/01/05 17:12:15, Link
Author: silverspoon
Quote (RDK @ Jan. 05 2010,15:39)
Emph. mine:

As I point out in the debate, the arrangement of stones can signify design even if the stones themselves canít be said to be designed. The same point can be made for chemistry ó basic chemistry may be undesigned (I donít believe this) but chemical arrangements might be.

The fuck?

Is there an explanation for this other than Dembski's been hitting the appletinis a little bit harder than usual?

God has an inordinate fondness for Crystallization

Itís Jesus all the way down---

Date: 2010/01/11 16:53:54, Link
Author: silverspoon
Hereís hoping you get more better real soon.

Date: 2010/05/21 10:09:45, Link
Author: silverspoon
Please make it stop! Joe actually believes the age of rocks canít be determined because the unstable atoms the rock possesses first started decaying when they were forged in stars that went supernova. †What a doofus.

Date: 2010/10/26 16:39:15, Link
Author: silverspoon
Is that a talking ass?