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Date: 2009/01/14 14:30:52, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 12 2009,07:33)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 11 2009,21:33)
Gil Dodg'em:
       
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I’ve been called every name in the book, the most common being IDiot.

Click here for just one such example of the vitriol to which I’ve been subjected. I could give you hundreds of more examples.

Gil - we can create more instances if that would be helpful. Post something on simulation to get us started.

We could even help establish Gil's reputation globally!

Gil Dodgem es muy estupido y idiota.

Ja, Gil Dodgem est ein dumkopf!

Now, we need Advocatus to put it into Moon Language, and Jeannot or The New French Guy into French, and perhaps, over time, the world could be united with it's opinion of Gil and ID.

Darn.  Here I am, a long time lurker looking for a good occasion for my first post, and I let this one pass by while I was temporarily distracted.  Well, better late than never.

Latin:
 Gilbertus Dodgenus morio

Middle Egyptian:
 wxA pw gr dDn

Swahili:
 Bwana Gil ni mjinga.

Klingon:
 cha' ghop lo'chugh tlhuQDaj SamlaHbe' ghIl Do'jen

Actually that last is "Gil Dodgen can't find his tail with both hands", Klingon having (disappointingly) no attested word for "ass".

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Date: 2009/01/14 15:10:06, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,15:00)
BTW - I think the Klingon word for "ass" is "Iks'bmed".

Uh oh.  It's not a good sign when the first response to my first post goes entirely over my head.

"Iks'bmed"?

Go ahead, make me feel stupid.

(In my original post I was going to suggest that the Klingon for "ass" was DoqDoq.  Don't know why I didn't.)

Date: 2009/01/14 15:26:14, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,15:21)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 14 2009,15:10)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,15:00)
BTW - I think the Klingon word for "ass" is "Iks'bmed".

Uh oh.  It's not a good sign when the first response to my first post goes entirely over my head.

"Iks'bmed"?

Go ahead, make me feel stupid.

(In my original post I was going to suggest that the Klingon for "ass" was DoqDoq.  Don't know why I didn't.)

You have to run it through the Nixplanatory Filter...

Hint:  Dembski is BIG on Bible Codes...

!ho'D

Note, at least, that I was on the same page, even if I was executing a different algorithm.  (And mixing a metaphor.)

Date: 2009/01/15 10:04:28, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Weasbl @ Jan. 15 2009,09:59)
Actually, learning Klingon is an amusing intellectual exercise  . . .

Sorry, that was me, posting by accident under an account I created some time ago but never got around to using.  I wish I could get the hang of this internet thing.

Date: 2009/01/16 11:42:06, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (steve_h @ Jan. 16 2009,11:24)
Also, does something which is designed have to be almost identical to every other thing that is designed? Cars are designed by intelligent designers; Therefore, ID predicts that life on Mars should resemble cars.

Date: 2009/01/19 08:06:17, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Rrr @ Jan. 18 2009,16:21)
Oh I knew it was Caesar's wife, only I didn't know her first name. Bet you weren't in Rome nor Gomorrah, anyway, either! Or Alvik for that matter.

As I understand it (which is more or less "through a glass, darkly"), Roman women usually didn't have first names per se.  They were just called by the feminine form of their family name.  A female born of the Julius clan (the one Gaius Julius Caesar belonged to) would be named Julia, to the Tullius clan (Cicero's) Tullia, and so on.  If there were several girls born to the same family they might be numbered (Julia Tertia, Tullia Quinta, etc.).

Caesar's wife was, as you will no doubt have surmised, of the Calpurnius clan.  Her father was Lucius Calpurnius Piso.

Date: 2009/01/19 09:47:27, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 19 2009,08:26)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,08:06)
 Her father was Lucius Calpurnius Piso.

And I think I recall that he specialized in building towers...


Your confusion is understandable, but you've fallen prey to what what we in the linguistics trade call "false friends".  In fact there's no relation whatsoever between "Piso" and "Pisa"; among other points, classical Latin intervocalic "s" was not voiced.

No, in fact old Lucius was in an entirely different line of business.




I believe his friends used to refer to him as "Lou the Plumber".

Date: 2009/01/19 11:43:44, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deejay @ Jan. 19 2009,10:39)
Crocker's "ideas", and of course they're not even vaguely her own, have been engaged and have been quickly found sorely wanting.  It's boring.  It's been done.  What's left is a discussion of "who in the hell would not only say this, but also put it in front of a college class?"  As the 1100+ pages of the UD thread, 300+ pages of the FTK thread and nearly 100 pages of this thread will attest, that discussion is a little bit more interesting.  It's interesting because there aren't clear answers.  Are these people dishonest?  Incompetent?  Both?  If so, how?  How can they be competent in other areas of life?

Or maybe they're not so competent in other areas of life.  After all, Crocker also has this to say of the Design of Life blog
   
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A website specifically designed to keep students informed about the latest developments in ID and evolution. Maintained by Denyse O’Leary, a professional writer who understands ID and can communicate clearly.


Exhibit B:  She claims to be writing a book called Expelled:  No Science Allowed, "to be published in 2008", and she describes it thus:

[QUOTE]Expelled: No Science Allowed is much like To Sir With Love becoming To Madam With Hate followed by a fairy tale ending of vindication by Hollywood.[I]

I was ready to rush right out (to amazon.com) and order a copy, but for some reason amazon knows nothing of Dr. Crocker's opus.

Date: 2009/01/19 11:49:11, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
[quote=noncarborundum,Jan. 19 2009,11:43]
Quote
Expelled: No Science Allowed is much like To Sir With Love becoming To Madam With Hate followed by a fairy tale ending of vindication by Hollywood.[I]

O for an "edit" button.

Date: 2009/01/19 21:05:06, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (slpage @ Jan. 19 2009,20:47)
   
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,11:43)
I was ready to rush right out (to amazon.com) and order a copy, but for some reason amazon knows nothing of Dr. Crocker's opus.

Are you referring to Crocker's book about integrity in science?

I'm talking about the book described here.  Usually if I read about a book "to be published" sometime in the near future (or, in this case, the near past), I expect amazon.com to have some inkling of it (even, at least sometimes, self-publications).  Not in this case.

Is this the book "about integrity in science", or has she written another book amazon.com doesn't know about?

(BTW, just in case it needs stating, I'm really not in a rush to delve into Dr. Crocker's literary output.)

Date: 2009/01/19 22:45:36, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (khan @ Jan. 19 2009,22:28)
Poe?

Order of the Tinfoil Headgear.

Date: 2009/01/20 00:10:29, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 19 2009,23:05)
 
Quote
It all just seems incredibly planned to me.


And that is why scientists base their conclusions on evidence, and why check each other's work, rather than going with their feelings - feelings aren't reliable criteria for subjects outside one's direct experience.

Henry

Darn.  Now what am I supposed to do with my feeling that it all just seems incredibly unplanned?

Date: 2009/01/20 11:12:43, Link 148.87.1.169
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2009,16:45)
We ALWAYS get to point and laugh at them. I especially liked the guy who said this was "the most perverted inaugural in history".

In my own humble way I must take a modicum of credit for this.

Back when the selection of Rick Warren for the inaugural invocation was a hot topic, one commenter on scienceblogs (I think it was at Ed Brayton's place) challenged another to name a Christian leader who was not anti-gay.  I piped up and mentioned Gene Robinson*.

Apparently someone from the Obama team was listening.  (That, or the choice of Robinson was just insanely obvious.  I can't decide.)  And when God smites Washington, D.C., boy will I be chagrined.

-----
*Yes, I knew that by "Christian", the commenter I was responding to meant "fundywacko True Christian™", and that by his lights G.R. doesn't qualify.

Date: 2009/01/20 12:59:57, Link 148.87.1.169
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Jan. 20 2009,12:04)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,21:05)
 
Quote (slpage @ Jan. 19 2009,20:47)
       
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 19 2009,11:43)
I was ready to rush right out (to amazon.com) and order a copy, but for some reason amazon knows nothing of Dr. Crocker's opus.

Are you referring to Crocker's book about integrity in science?

I'm talking about the book described here.  Usually if I read about a book "to be published" sometime in the near future (or, in this case, the near past), I expect amazon.com to have some inkling of it (even, at least sometimes, self-publications).  Not in this case.

Is this the book "about integrity in science", or has she written another book amazon.com doesn't know about?

(BTW, just in case it needs stating, I'm really not in a rush to delve into Dr. Crocker's literary output.)

There is another Crocker who is obsessed with Intelligent Designers who use a "poof" mechanism:

http://www.tv.com/the-fai....ry.html

Yes, but I don't think he's earned his doctorate yet.

Date: 2009/01/21 10:31:15, Link 148.87.1.169
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 21 2009,09:52)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 21 2009,07:17)
...
   
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... Clearly blending does happen at least in some characters which are more complex than to be controlled by single alleles. ...

... Basically, if you have lots of Mendelian genes having a small effect on a trait, you have a quantitative trait, and selection acts on the variation.  ...

Don't those two sentences say almost the same thing? Well, aside from him saying "allele" when he presumably meant "gene".

Not really, because Dave doesn't appear to distinguish between phenotype and genotype.  Outward characteristics appear to blend; the genes remain stubbornly Mendelian.

Date: 2009/01/21 23:32:48, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 21 2009,22:22)
Danny-Boy wrote about god:

 
Quote
The real one - obviously.




:)   :)   :)   :)   :)

Alternatively, and in a spirit of inclusiveness,

Date: 2009/01/22 07:43:41, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 22 2009,06:32)
 
Quote (Bueller_007 @ Jan. 22 2009,02:33)
Dembski is unable or unwilling to say the relevance of the papers to evolutionary biology.

     
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As for the relevance of this work to biology, let me remind commenters that Thomas Schneider used his ev program to argue against Behe and for the power of natural selection in biological evolution and that Rob Pennock cited his work on AVIDA likewise to argue against Behe and for evolution (Pennock cited this not in his NATURE article but in his Dover expert witness report).

So if you’ve got a problem with the applicability of the research at the Evolutionary Informatics Lab to real-life biological evolution, take it up with Schneider and Pennock.



Link.

Wow!  That is incredibly weaselly (pardon the pun), even under the high standards set previously by Dr. Dr. D.

Methinks it is like a Dembski.

Date: 2009/01/22 15:19:48, Link 148.87.1.171
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 22 2009,12:52)
   
Quote
“Why is a scientist like Michael Behe, prominent biochemist, Atheist, and former Darwinism advocate ignored? He stated, “If you search the scientific literature on evolution, and if you focus your search on the question of molecular machines -the basis of life - you find an eerie and complete silence. The complexity of life's foundation has paralyzed science's attempt to account for it…”. (Behe M, Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution, 1996, The Free Press). Dr. Behe believes in Intelligent Design, but not in God.

Did people know that Behe's an atheist? *Grabs microwave popcorn - we have vending machines at work, and it's lunchtime anyway*

So he thinks IC demonstrates that there was a designer, but he doesn't believe said designer is/was a deity?  What is he, a Raëlian?

Date: 2009/01/23 09:06:44, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (fusilier @ Jan. 23 2009,06:55)
Noncarborundum,

Behe is not a Raelian, he's a Catholic.  To most of the ID faithful, Catholics might as well be atheists.

Interestingly, there was a recent (early November 2008) conference called by Benedict XVI to discuss evolution and faith.  Behe was not on the invitation list, for some odd reason.

*Note to self:  Invest in new set of sarcasm tags and deploy as needed.*

Date: 2009/01/23 10:22:31, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (hereoisreal @ Jan. 23 2009,09:47)
Cute:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n2/netherland-ark

The Ark

No rudder, no sail
No front, no tail
No left, no right
No lights in sight
No charts, no maps
Some prayers perhaps
No dinghy in tow
No motor to go
One window, one door
3 floors, no more
But it served its purpose.

                          by Zero

That last line's kind of clunky.  How about:

Quote

The Ark

No rudder, no sail
No front, no tail
No left, no right
No lights in sight
No charts, no maps
Some prayers perhaps
No dinghy in tow
No motor to go
One window, one door
3 floors, no more
And it's just a stor-
y.

:D

Date: 2009/01/23 15:32:59, Link 148.87.1.170
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 23 2009,14:48)
It's not Conservapedia, per se, but anyone can anonymously sign up for access to the course materials at Eagle Forum University.

Andy Schlafly is teaching American History, Principles of Microeconomics, Evolution & Politics, and Evolution Fallacies, among others.

The Evolution Fallacies materials might be the most highly-concentrated stupidity I've ever seen. Even dumber than Conservapedia itself. I recommend for your own sanity you stay far, far away.

But, I will supply you with the following excerpt simply because you may not be aware that the very existence of mathematics disproves evolution:              
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Ask an evolutionist if 2+2=4 exists.  Or if mathematical pi, the parameter for calculating the distance around a circle, exists.  Are they merely figments of human imagination?

Put another way, did humans discover arithmetic and geometry, or did humans invent them?

For most of us and most mathematicians, including the highly celebrated late Paul Erdos, the answer is obvious:  humans discovered these principles, which have always existed.  "Dr. Erdos, like many mathematicians, believed that mathematical truths are discovered, not invented."  http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ddd/erdos.html Ditto for Albert Einstein:  "An equation is for eternity."  (Encycl. Brit.)

But for evolutionists, non-material principles do not exist.  If they existed, then there would be the question of where they came from.  There would also be the question of how nature might relate to these and other principles.

And there would be the question of what other principles exist based on math or logic.  Like law and religion, for example.

Materialistic evolution simply does not allow for the existence of principles.  But principles plainly do exist.

What I want to know is whether anyone takes these "classes" seriously. Do homeschool parents actually assign this drivel to their children? God, I hope not.

From their "diagnostic quiz":

Quote
14. The phrase the “separation of church and state” can be found where?
(a) in the original Constitution.
(b) in the Bill of Rights.
( c ) in the amendments enacted after the Bill of Rights.
(d) in the Declaration of Independence.
(e) in none of the above, but in arguments by people seeking to censor Christianity.

Oooh!  I know!  Pick me!  Pick me!!!!!111!

Date: 2009/01/23 16:17:10, Link 148.87.1.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 23 2009,16:10)
I thought the "separation" phrase was a summary (or paraphrase? perhaps a sound bite?) of one of the ten, rather than a quote of the actual wording of it.

The phrase was Jefferson's description of purpose and effect of the religion clauses of the First Amendment:

 
Quote
I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

Date: 2009/01/23 22:09:03, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 23 2009,21:59)
Now I'm confused.

I thought House Bunny was a comedy, now I find out it's a Freaking Documentary!

I want a House Bunny!

However, I fear the House Bunny was Expelled.

Tell me it ain't so!

No, it was the Easter Bunny that was Expelled - a major coup in the War on Easter begun last year by militant atheists, emboldened by their early successes in the War on Christmas, as a second front in their Global War On Jesus.

Date: 2009/01/24 09:54:15, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 24 2009,09:35)
Gil Dodgen
     
Quote
The thing that intrigues me is that in all Darwinian speculating, whether bio or psycho, no one ever asks the hard questions, like: How did the particular trait that offers a survival advantage originate? What mutations or random genetic accidents would be required to engineer the trait? What is the probability of these accidents occurring? How many individuals and reproductive events would be required for the trait to be selected and preserved in the population? In other words, could the probabilistic resources have been up to the task of overcoming the improbabilities?

The thing that intrigues me is that in all Dodgen's whining there is not an iota of curiosity.  How about googling around a bit, Gil?  

N. B. Sutter and E. A. Ostrander, Dog star rising: the canine genetic system, Nature Reviews Genetics 5, 900 (2004).  doi:10.1038/nrg1492.
     
Quote
Purebred dogs are providing invaluable information about morphology, behaviour and complex diseases, both of themselves and humans, by supplying tractable populations in which to map genes that control those processes. The diversification of dog breeds has led to the development of breeds enriched for particular genetic disorders, the mapping and cloning of which have been facilitated by the availability of the canine genome map and sequence. These tools have aided our understanding of canine population genetics, linkage disequilibrium and haplotype sharing in the dog, and have informed ongoing efforts of the need to identify quantitative trait loci that are important in complex traits.

Not to mention:  nobody asks  "How many individuals and reproductive events would be required for the trait to be selected and preserved in the population?"?  Really?  Then what is it that population geneticists do all day?

Date: 2009/01/24 20:31:45, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 24 2009,19:27)
       
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 24 2009,17:08)
       
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 24 2009,13:39)
         
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 24 2009,06:27)
Ted Haggard: "oops, I did it again".

I like this line:

         
Quote
Boyd said the church reached a legal settlement to pay the man for counseling and college tuition,


Wow. So all you have to do to get a full college scholarship is sleep with Ted Haggard?

Nah. Still not worth it.

Plus, the "college" is probably Liberty U, so you lose again....

Or worse, Bob Jones.  ;)

:(

Date: 2009/01/25 20:17:08, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 25 2009,19:53)
Earlier this season there was a brilliant episode of My Name is Earl where the ex-wife tries to win a science fair by disproving evolution. Her plan:  Making a fish try to evolve legs to get the food she has placed out of reach.  Unfortunately for her she uses a tadpole.  Her conclusion on seeing the results: "I guess we don't have to go to church any more."

I very much imagine our friends at UD at that level in their efforts.

But she actually performed the experiment.  Doesn' that put her one up on the UDenizens?

Date: 2009/01/26 11:18:29, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 26 2009,10:53)
 
Quote (bfish @ Jan. 25 2009,23:10)
This probably belongs on the Bathroom Wall, but that's too polluted with the Daniel Smith goings on, so will use this thread to spread the Good News:

(Scroll to the bottom)
This is William Kristol’s last column.

Damn! This just keeps getting better and better!

YEAAAAAAAAAA

Why did he quit? Was he fired? Is he dying?

Kristol's contract is up.  They signed him up for one year in January 2008.  Maybe cooler heads at the NYT have have prevailed this time around.

Date: 2009/01/26 11:37:10, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (hereoisreal @ Jan. 26 2009,05:54)
The world is neither flat nor round.  It is crooked!

Zero


Plus ça change . . . .

Date: 2009/01/28 08:45:05, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Richard Simons @ Jan. 28 2009,08:28)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 28 2009,06:50)
<a href=""http://austringer.net/wp/index.php/2009/01/28/fuz-rana-liar-liar-pants-on-fire/" target="_blank">Fuz Rana passes on antievolutionist persistent myths</a>

The link seems to be broken.

It worked for me with a bit of tweaking.

Try this.

Date: 2009/01/29 21:52:35, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deadman_932 @ Jan. 29 2009,20:19)
I always thought Steve Fuller looked a lot like Rick Moranis (of "Spaceballs," "Honey I Shrunk the Kids," etc.)
Compare and contrast:



Or put a pair of glasses on Jack Jeebs (Tony Shalhoub in Men in Black):

Date: 2009/01/31 10:07:18, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 31 2009,02:12)
 
Quote (Marion Delgado @ Jan. 30 2009,16:21)
You science fascists say there are no simple answers. No!! As President Reagan said, there ARE simple answers, just no EASY answers. I post this here because in addition to hating special needs children (euthanazis!), I realize you can only accept the truth about evolution in a context of derision.

http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=92630


1) How does random change (mutation) in the genome add information to a genome to create progressively more complicated organisms? It Doesn't.

2) How is evolution able to bring about drastic changes so quickly?  An example is the Cambrian Explosion. It Can't.

3) How could the first living cell arise spontaneously to get evolution started? It couldn't.

4) The Human Genome Project showed that only 1-2% of Human DNA codes for proteins, or about 25,000 genes.  These are not enough  to account for the complexity of the organism.  What is the other 98% of the genome's function?  We don't know.

See, that took, what, 8 words? And yet, Darwinisim is in ruins.

You are kidding, right? Or are you really that stupid?

You can not be that stupid and type. Or feed yourself, or wipe your own asshole.

If you insist that you really are that stupid, I can cover all of your supposed killer objections to reality. But it has all been done before, so I hope your are just jerking us around, please?

Pick the exact "eight words" for me, K?

Methinks he is trying to count the words in his snappy answers.  This would work if they were each two words long.  Except they aren't:

 
Quote (Marion Delgado @ Jan. 30 2009,16:21)


1) How does random change (mutation) in the genome add information to a genome to create progressively more complicated organisms? It Doesn't.

2) How is evolution able to bring about drastic changes so quickly?  An example is the Cambrian Explosion. It Can't.

3) How could the first living cell arise spontaneously to get evolution started? It couldn't.

4) The Human Genome Project showed that only 1-2% of Human DNA codes for proteins, or about 25,000 genes.  These are not enough  to account for the complexity of the organism.  What is the other 98% of the genome's function?  We don't know.


Maybe if he changed that last one to "We're ignorant."

BTW I didn't realize we hate special-needs children.  Bummer, since I have one.

Date: 2009/01/31 10:30:50, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deadman_932 @ Jan. 31 2009,09:49)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 31 2009,09:22)
     
Quote (deadman_932 @ Jan. 31 2009,09:20)
On the bit I bolded above: Faid wrote a something similar to Dave Hawkins on another site...

I Googled Afdave to take a gander at his site. Google finds it, but also flags it with "Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer!"

I understood that brain damage was in the offing. But my computer?

Bill: I was just getting the same warnings on virtually all Googled sites...I removed the .NET framework update that I installed yesterday and that fixed it. It's a buggy update apparently, or at least it was for me, using this version of Vista Home Pro.

(Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Service Pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.5 Family Update (KB951847) x86 )

Installation date: 1/30/2009 1:49 PM, for me.

I don't think .NET had anything to do with it.  I saw the problem earlier this morning and then it just went away without my doing anything.  I think this means that somebody at Google fixed it.

Date: 2009/01/31 20:02:48, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (SoonerintheBluegrass @ Jan. 31 2009,19:24)
I'd like an impartial opinion about something my sister sent me via e-mail.  She claims it's "just a joke."  I found it incredibly offensive and racist.  So I submit this to the judgment of a few strangers:

Can you answer this question????
 

I'M CONFUSED..................................


How can 2 million blacks crowd into Washington DC in sub freezing

temperatures and most streets closed all in 1 day .....

.... when 200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with
hundreds of school buses and four days notice?

Racist:  check.
Offensive:  check.

Also just plain stupid.  And not funny.

Date: 2009/02/01 15:33:44, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 01 2009,10:30)
 
Quote (Rrr @ Feb. 01 2009,08:00)
Thanks, Bob, but I find this place quite edificational. Learns me a lot of knew stuff.

Rrr, I cant stan mispeled words!

Zerooo

Then you may be interested in the correct spelling of "Pittsburgh" (necessary should you be interested in performing any numerology with it).

Date: 2009/02/02 00:28:14, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 01 2009,19:51)
 
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 01 2009,18:41)

It is my contention that only God can build such systems...

I said from the very beginning that I could not explain how God built life.

Stripped to its essence, this is your entire argument, and its entire theoretical and evidentiary base.

Also in evidence is the amnesia to which I earlier referred: We have repeatedly established that the success or lack thereof of other theoretical and empirical efforts (evolutionary biology, scientific efforts vis OOL, etc.) is not, in any respect, positive evidence for your position, much less "confirmation" of same.

Ultimately, however, you continue to engage in argumentum ad mulberry bush, as you seem incapable of grasping the above. I've lost interest in that.

If you wanted to make that sound all official 'n' stuff, you could go with the actual Latin name for mulberry,  morus, which would give you argumentum ad morum, or perhaps argumentum circum morum, ("around").  Problem is, it would lose most of its effect because you'd have to explain it.  Still, with the right audience (of botanists and/or Latinists) . . .

Date: 2009/02/02 16:13:56, Link 148.87.1.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 02 2009,15:35)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 02 2009,14:49)
[URL=http://network.nature.com/people/henrygee/blog/2009/02/02/this-overhyped-and-stunningly-incompetent-collection-of-just-so-stories-about-evolution-ha




s-more-holes-in-it-than-your-average-baloney-and-swiss-cheese-sandwich-just-go-up-to-beezl




ebun-demon-bunny-of-doom-and-say-that]FtK has been noticed[/URL] by a senior editor at Nature, no less.  Here's his take on her:

   
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Dragging their knuckles along behind, here are the Reasonable Kansans – cripes, I’d hate to meet any Unreasonable Kansans. It’s the shoes, Dorothy, the shoes.


No, please don't ask me to explain that.

It appears to be written in the style of O'Leary.

Now I have to revise my mental picture of a knuckle-dragger.  I never imagined one leaning backwards as it walked.  This is a posture I normally associate with beings of a more advanced type.

Date: 2009/02/04 09:00:08, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 04 2009,07:27)
Surprise: Casey Luskin thinks Ben Stein was EXPELLED by the University of Vermont.
     
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Again, Fogel’s denial that this bears upon academic freedom has a huge credibility gap: Fogel claims this isn’t about freedom of expression, but it seems clear that scholars aren’t free to express support for intelligent design or they are charged with “ignor[ing] the basics of scientific inquiry.”

Obviously, my academic freedom is restricted by my university (and every other university). Never got a honorary degree. QED.

Ben Stein == scholar?

When did that happen?

Date: 2009/02/07 21:37:23, Link 148.87.1.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 07 2009,21:05)
 
Quote (hereoisreal @ Jan. 26 2009,22:22)
Jam:
“The point I'm trying to make to everyone is that one can test predictions
of ID hypotheses after the onion of dishonesty is peeled back.”

Jam, what do you get when you cross an onion with a donkey?
Well, most of the time you get little onions, but once in a
while you get a piece of ass soo good, it brings tears to your eyes.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of
Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having
salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

Zero

"thy King cometh" is a  prediction unsubstantiated or verified until the event happens.
Only then does the verse take on meaning and relevance because, for one, it proves you have spoken the truth, and two... you have saved your own ass.


Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Eze 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

"Cthulhu fhtagn" is a  prediction unsubstantiated or verified until the stars once again come into proper alignment.
Only then does the verse take on meaning and relevance because, for one, it proves you have spoken the truth, and two... you're in deep shit.

Date: 2009/02/08 11:45:52, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 08 2009,06:24)
Fuller is even more deluded than I previously thought:

   
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Assuming that YEC accepts the broad ordering of the species represented in the fossil record, I am happy to let it stand as an empirical matter whether the ordering happened over 6000 or 6 billion years.

But, but, but, but . . . Isn't the "broad ordering" of the fossils supposed by YEC to have happenened not "over 6000 years" but over just a year or so?  Or are there versions of YEC in which brontotheres were still being fossilized in the 17th century AD?

Date: 2009/02/09 12:48:14, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JonF @ Feb. 09 2009,11:33)
 
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These days and nights of fishing were firmly ingrained in my mind, as I toured one of the caverns in northeastern Arkansas.  As we toured, we came upon some burnt wood
on display.  The guide told us that this wood had been carbon 14ed at 800 AD.  The wood had no signs of decay, and it was not fossilized. I made sure by INQUIRY to the guide, to make sure I had heard him correctly and that the wood was not fossilized.

My point is that here was a man that BELIEVED that this un-fossilized wood was 1200 years old--wood that appeared as is it could have been burnt a year ago--wood that was in a damp cave, with sounds of water flowing in it.  

And little ol' me, the independent thinker, asking myself if this man had ever read in one of his textbooks that water and humidity destroys wood.  

Um ...

Water and humidity do not destroy wood.

Things often associated with water and humidity destroy wood.

Fully submerged wood much older than 800 AD has been found. E.g.

Submerged Forest and old Ship Remains in the Solent
Ballard Finds Traces of Ancient Habitation Beneath Black Sea

Here's an interesting one about the same age as your sample:

Maya Milestone: LSU researcher discovers first wooden ruins, unique artifact from Maya civilization

Ya know what?

I bet you can't come up with a textbook that states that water and humidity destroy wood.

Independent thinking is good. Making up bullshit is bad.

I'm not sure what this anecdote was supposed to prove in the first place, even if RJFE was in fact right about the impossibility of old wet wood.  That there are people who will mindlessly parrot what they've been taught regardless of plain evidence to the contrary all about them?

But he's got to know that already.  After all, he comes from a faith tradition.

Date: 2009/02/09 14:08:12, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 09 2009,13:16)
 
Has, or has not, the exact evolutionary route between a common ancestor and chimps, humans and bonobos been established?

While you might see this as "slippery" Bill, I'm of the opinion that nothing is established until it's established.  While the general data seems to point to such a connection, it hasn't been worked out to any level of detail.  Until it has, I'll always leave a door open.

Methinks it is like a weasel.

Date: 2009/02/09 16:10:53, Link 148.87.1.170
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 09 2009,15:47)
A quick search of the internet, a medium you clearly have access to, would have disabused you of the fallacious claims you make re: abiogenesis.

Optimist.

Date: 2009/02/10 10:30:47, Link 148.87.1.171
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 10 2009,08:35)
     
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 10 2009,05:01)
You want to talk about humility, now you are entering into my arena of study and practice.

I recall you've said you've been a missionary. In my opinion, nobody is as arrogant as a missionary. Imagine, that of the thousands of religions around, you have found the one true one and are sufficiently convinced that you have the urge to convert all others. What could possibly be more arrogant?

Ah, but you misconstrue his point.  His area of expertise is not the practice of humility, it's the regurgitation of aphorisms about humility.
   
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Knowledge puffs up, but godly love edifies.

See?

Date: 2009/02/13 12:33:39, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (dvunkannon @ Feb. 13 2009,12:08)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 13 2009,08:40)
Don't get too excited there...the way that poll was worded I would be compelled to answer yes to the question "Do you believe in the theory of evolution".

What a moronic way to word the stupid poll...of course I believe in the theory of evolution...duh.  Obviously the mechanisms of evolution are detectible in regard to adaptation or microevolutionary change.  

I always wonder how long this thread can go without it's fearless leader...

And when does micro leave off and macro start? Creating a word doesn't conjure the category into reality (thank FSM). It's turtles all the way down...

     
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*FtK sticks her tongue out at *all* of you*

Now that's a Valentines Day present we can all be thankful for! Hold that pose, Louis is down to the short strokes...

It's quite simple, really:

micro-    adj., which has been observed
macro-    adj., which has not been observed

This conveniently prevents any observation from ever having to be considered evidence of the macro-evolution.  Because, as we all know, the underlying dynamic is really more or less this:

micro-    adj., Biblical
macro-    adj., atheistic

Date: 2009/02/13 12:38:35, Link 148.87.1.172
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

Date: 2009/02/13 15:35:11, Link 148.87.1.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,14:30)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 13 2009,12:38)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 13 2009,09:01)
 If a technologically advanced group called your Christianity a  blood-cult evil for the outright imagery of human sacrifice and cannibalism, for instance...I'm sure that would meet your approval. Anecdotes about crucifixes flying because they required the worship of a sacrificed dead man tortured on sticks... that would obviously please you, right? You'd buy that in a second, wouldn't you?

Who was it who suggested that if Jesus had lived in the 20th century, Christians would all be wearing necklaces with little electric chairs hanging from them?

"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses." ~ Lenny Bruce

The question was partly rhetorical.  I think Bruce may have missed something, though; Catholics wear not just crosses, but crucifixes.  That would mean that if Jesus had been executed recently, the little electric chairs sported by Catholic schoolkids would have little fried guys in them.

Date: 2009/02/16 10:44:55, Link 148.87.1.171
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 16 2009,10:08)
 
Quote (slpage @ Feb. 16 2009,09:56)
     
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 16 2009,07:02)
     
Quote (sledgehammer @ Feb. 16 2009,01:26)
I also notice that Mike Gene's IDthink page at his publisher's site comes up:

"SUSPENDED: This Domain (arborvitaepress.com) Has Been Disabled"

Maybe someone hasn't been paying the bills?

And then there's this bit of hilarity (my emphasis)          
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Description:  Arbor Vitae Press is a small, independent publisher dedicated to the production and distribution of high quality books addressing major topics and issues of our times. We are committed to showcasing the works of both new and published authors who provide fresh, insightful and thought provoking commentary on analyses of important contemporary and controversial issues that are consistent with a Judeo-Christian worldview.

And yet we are told that ID has nothing to do with religion.

Gene especially was always so adamant about his non-religiosity.  Whatever...

What's even more amusing is that Gene's book seems to be the only thing ever published by Arbor Vitae Press. A search on their ISBN (978-0-9786314) yields only this book.  Is it a vanity press with a single vain author? Maybe our resident librarian/witch can enlighten us on this...

Well, there is this.    
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The Hawk's Mewl a 'significant selection of poems' will be to published in London in May by Arbor Vitae Press. Number one in the Parhelion Poetry Series.


It appears that the book can't actually be purchased, though, at least not through the normal outlets.  Also this may be a different Arbor Vitae:

 
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Wood, Jonathan
e-mail: thratheewoodz@hotmail.com
snail: BM Spellbound, London WC1N 3XX
Interests: produces irregular catalogues of interesting and obscure second-hand stock. Proprietor of the Arbor Vitae Press and publishes 'Through the Woods', an idiosyncratic journal of weird fiction, poetry and discourse specialising in lovelorn reveries, obscurantism and cultural timeslips.


Or maybe not.

Date: 2009/02/16 14:37:35, Link 148.87.1.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 16 2009,14:20)
OK, which one of you is crater?
   
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7

crater

02/16/2009

12:21 pm

   
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Evolutionary biologists don’t “worship” Darwin at all.


Which, of course, explains the Darwin Day celebrations at colleges all across the nation.

You don’t see Christians fetishizing a birthday anywhere near to this extent.

The secularization of Christmas is complete.

Somebody call John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly.

Date: 2009/02/20 21:00:43, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 20 2009,13:41)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 20 2009,12:55)
   
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Measure this, Dave:


Are you going to tell us the name of that formation, or is some service required first?

I'm not sure if the formation itself has a name, but it's in Kodachrome Basin State Park, in Utah. Here's a look from another angle:




KC

I believe that's the renowned Devil's Phallus National Landmark.

Date: 2009/03/09 21:30:04, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 09 2009,17:57)
 
Quote (khan @ Mar. 09 2009,15:37)
Special indeed.

Darwin first published in 1859, and ~250 years of slavery in the colonies/USA is his fault?

Presumably bad slavery didn't start until 1859.

See, if only Wallace had held off for a few more years, Darwin wouldn't have been forced to publish so soon and the U.S. could have gotten rid of slavery before it became bad.  OTOH, if Darwin had never published and therefore slavery never became bad, would we have had to get rid of it at all?  Was Darwin in fact the cause of the U.S. Civil War?  (... in addition, of course, to WWII, which we already know about.)

The inquiring alternative historian wants to know.

Date: 2009/03/14 01:45:42, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 13 2009,15:25)
A question:
     
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7

R0b

03/13/2009

2:20 pm
We have no interest in censoring viewpoints, because we believe ID is true and consequently in any full and fair debate we will win…

Nobody wins in blog debates. Both sides inevitably think they won, but there is no official judge to say who really won.

How’s ID doing in forums where there are official judges, like peer review and the courtroom?

An answer:
   
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10

Upright BiPed

03/13/2009

2:37 pm
R0b,

“How’s ID doing in forums where there are official establishment materialist judges ideologues like peer review and the courtroon with celeb activists?

How is Darwin doing in the common sense department…ya know…out there with Joe Public?

How is the front on FSCI working out? Still hoping no one will notice?

Awww... they're so cute when they try to write in English.  Let's try again without the strikethroughs:
     
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How’s ID doing in forums where there are establishment materialist ideologues like peer review and with celeb activists?

Dunno.  I'll try to find some established materialist ideologues like peer review and with celeb activists, and then I'll get back to you.
     
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How is Darwin doing in the common sense department…ya know…out there with Joe Public?

Score one for our vertical two-legged friend.  Common sense and public opinion are always the best way to settle questions of science.  That's how we know that quantum mechanics is bogus, the speed of light is infinite, and the Earth is stationary.

 
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How is the front on FSCI working out? Still hoping no one will notice?

No-one has noticed.  There's nothing to notice.

asdfasdf

Date: 2009/03/14 01:50:58, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 13 2009,15:25)

Score one for our vertical two-legged friend.  Common sense and public opinion are always the best way to settle questions of science.  That's how we know that quantum mechanics is bogus, the speed of light is infinite, and the Earth is stationary.

Actually that's a misconception.  The original claim was that the Earth was stationery.  As proof I offer the fact that Jesus is recorded to have knelt down and written in the dust during the dispute over the woman taken in adultery.  Oh, yes, and that for millions of years dinosaurs ruled the Earth.  This made the Earth so much easier to write neatly on in nice, straight lines.

Date: 2009/03/14 01:54:33, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (noncarborundum @ Mar. 14 2009,01:45)

asdfasdf

Slip of the mouse.  I can haz edit buttin?

Date: 2009/03/16 01:29:43, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (khan @ Mar. 15 2009,22:02)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 15 2009,22:56)
Gil false dichotomises:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-design

 
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15 March 2009
Evidence Against Chance and Necessity (Also Known As Darwinism) is Evidence for Design
GilDodgen


Logicians, are false dichotomy, artificial bifurcation and law of the excluded middle the same thing?

Has anyone every discerned what they mean by 'chance and necessity' ?

Yes.  Chance and necessity are what's left over once you've eliminated design.

Date: 2009/03/18 22:43:19, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 18 2009,22:11)
wow that's funny.

Maybe Kellogg should have said "tap the foot in the next stall."

... or "assume a wide stance."

Date: 2009/03/28 18:49:47, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (deadman_932 @ Mar. 26 2009,20:17)
Call me cynical, but... I doubt I'm the only one that views the current spate of posts and appearances (by Cordova, JAD and Willy Boy Dembski hisself)  as designed to draw attention away from the recent tragic fails of Udunces like Kairosfocus regarding evo. algorithmic progs.

Because it's just a minor part of the current smokescreen, I was only just a little amused by this from Densey:      
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"I will make a post of this, I swear. And I am as good as my word. Ipsa dixit."

Being a "real journalist," I'm sure teh li'l morpholexicalist meant "IpsE Dixit"

"Ipsa dixit" isn't wrong if what she meant to say was "she herself [has] said" (or "it itself [has] said" with a feminine referent).  If you can tell what subject she intended, though, you're one up on me.

(If she meant to say "I myself have said", she's wrong in a different way.  That would be "Ipsa dixi".  Assuming for the sake of argument that she's feminine.)

Date: 2009/03/29 00:59:42, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Daniel, I realize Reciprocating Bill can speak for himself (far better than I can speak for him), but don't you see what you've done here?
   
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 27 2009,10:20)
Objects similar to those we create (such as those that reflect representation, as in a clear representation of a face) suggest the inference to a causal story similar to that underlying human artifacts (the artifact was devised by agents capable of representation).

   
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Mar. 28 2009,08:58)
So long as your mind was able to supply a reasonable causal history, you were able to look at an object of sufficient organizational complexity and instantly recognize design.

Does it need pointing out that this is a complete non sequitur?  "Objects similar to those we create (such as those that reflect representation, as in a clear representation of a face)" is not at all the same thing as "an object of sufficient organizational complexity".  That is, it's not the "organizational complexity" that's at issue, regardless of how much you want it to be.

Date: 2009/03/29 09:18:17, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 29 2009,01:30)
 
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,12:49)
[URL=http://www.examiner.com/x-2398-Boston-Top-News-Examiner~y2009m3d24-Alaskas-Mt-Redoubt-erupts-fourt-times-Bobby-Jin

dal-said-volcano-monitoring-is-wasteful#comments]Ha ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes[/URL].
       
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Well, I'm sure that Jindal is convinced now that volcano "watching" is "wasteful." The volcano still erupted, didn't it? Scientists didn't stop the eruption, did they? Because scientists don't know anything, and we should funnel more funds toward faith-based initiatives that can actually do something, like exorcisms. ;)

But do you want to be that it's true? :)


Sacrificing virgins used to work.

Typically, liberals just want to throw more money at the problem when the obvious solution is to throw more virgins at the problem.

Imagine what that would do to the budget deficit, though, at today's prices.

Date: 2009/03/29 17:47:30, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 29 2009,12:55)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 29 2009,02:30)
   
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 24 2009,12:49)
[URL=http://www.examiner.com/x-2398-Boston-Top-News-Examiner~y2009m3d24-Alaskas-Mt-Redoubt-erupts-fourt-times-Bobby-Jin

dal-said-volcano-monitoring-is-wasteful#comments]Ha ha ha, I crack myself up sometimes[/URL].
         
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Well, I'm sure that Jindal is convinced now that volcano "watching" is "wasteful." The volcano still erupted, didn't it? Scientists didn't stop the eruption, did they? Because scientists don't know anything, and we should funnel more funds toward faith-based initiatives that can actually do something, like exorcisms. ;)

But do you want to be that it's true? :)


Sacrificing virgins used to work.

I find sacrificing virginity is a little less messy, a lot more fun, and equally effective, when it comes to preventing volcanic eruptions.

Strange.  I was under the impression that sacrificing virginity has been known to be the cause of volcanic eruptions.

Date: 2009/03/31 23:06:46, Link 75.69.244.167
Author: noncarborundum
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Mar. 31 2009,11:48)
Do these scientists/historians realise they are being used in a trailer for a YEC film about Charles Darwin ?:

Professor Sandra Herbert

Professor Peter Bowler

Professor Phil Currie

Have a look at Creation Ministries International's webpage on their forthcoming film about Charles Darwin:

http://creation.com/

They all appear alongside the Discovery Institute's Professor Cornelius Hunter and YEC Professor Stuart Burgess (AiG UK associate speaker) in the trailer for the film. I can't find anything at all about Brian Milstead.

Should Professors Herbert, Bowler, and Currie not be made aware that they are being promoted in this way ?????

I just love the fact that their first "Affiliated Sites" link is to this.

   
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Welcome to the official website for Alien Intrusion:  UFOs and the Evolution Connection by Gary Bates

 

 

 

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