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Date: 2006/10/18 03:50:55, Link
Author: huwp
<<disengaging lurk mode>>

-stands back and applauds Shirley Knott-

Well said.

As a long-time lurker I can only applaud the patience and, on the whole, courtesy of those of you who debunk and otherwise deal with the nonsense peddled by AFD and his ilk, despite enormous provocation at times.  You do us all a great service and I have learned shed loads of very interesting stuff; whereas AFD's turgid, smugly arrogant posts are terminally boring and hopelessly wrong.

Thank you all - it is appreciated.

<<re-engaging lurk mode>>

Date: 2006/11/15 10:12:17, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 15 2006,07:33)

The most excellent Zachriel said: "The first King of Great Britain, James I, was the King of Scotland, James VI."

Actually the Kingdom of Great Britain only came into existence with the Act of Union in 1707.  King James VI of Scotland simply became James I of England as well on his accession to the English Throne in 1603.  The United Kingdom, of course, came later, 1801 I think.

I'll go back to lurking now, but I just wanted to say that this thread is hilarious and you all do great work pricking the pomposity of the ID camp.  Thank you.


Date: 2007/01/17 07:59:18, Link
Author: huwp

As a long-time lurker and fan of both ATBC and PT who posts very, very rarely, I would ask you, please not to go.  I enjoy your posts and indeed the posts of the majority of the posters here.  I have learned a very great deal.  This forum would be poorer without you in it!

Please ignore the Troll and stay.

Best wishes


Date: 2007/01/24 07:58:10, Link
Author: huwp
Blimey.  What a top website!  Um, is this "hard-tard" thing addictive?  I mean, I can probably give it up any time I want to, but I'm not ready yet.

Actually, sometimes Fundies make the Beckhams look like intellectual giants.

Date: 2007/03/26 07:42:04, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 25 2007,18:37)
Arden - this is the mentality that doesn't consider empathy.

There is a very great deal in this.

I would merely add that another peculiar element of nearly all forms of fundamentalism seems to be a lack of tolerance; no other world-view is permitted.

Righto, I'm going back to lurking.

Toodle pip!

Date: 2007/04/18 04:38:14, Link
Author: huwp
Ooh, a thread I can join in more easily!

On the whole I lurk, as you chaps really know your onions, although I'm always fascinated in what is said.

My degree is in French and Italian and I have a very rusty acquaintance with Welsh, the language of my ancestors.

Language does, of course change.  In fact it changes constantly.  Sometimes we get stuck with unpleasant barbarisms which need to be resisted.  In the UK at the moment there is a horrid tendency for people to write or say "would of" which is a misinterpretation of "would've" from "would have".  It's ugly and illogical.

However, I completely agree with Arden that some things are just plain silly.  Why not split an infinitive if the balance of the sentence demands it?  Fowler was pretty clear on this.

Likewise, not ending a sentence with a preposition is just nonsense!  I read somewhere that Churchill was wrote in the margin of a particularly dense piece of legalese that "this is the sort of English up with which I will not put".

Language is a wonderful thing but we should always remember that translation is very much an art; sometimes there are no exact translations.  For example, in English we have a clear distinction between the words "glance" and "glimpse".  In Italian there is no such distinction there is only "occhiata" meaning a short sight of something.


PS Watching afdave trying to claim that Portuguese was a mixture of French and Spanish was simply hilarious

Date: 2007/04/18 10:30:13, Link
Author: huwp
I don't at all have a problem with neologisms; in fact new words often show how vibrant and alive a language is.  And of course Arden, I quite agree, "would of" is indeed simply boneheaded mis-spelling.

I found it awfully depressing depressing recently when I read that some educational buffoons in the UK were suggesting that it should be acceptable for schoolwork to be completed in textspeak (txtspk?).  "cu l8r m8" might just be acceptable when sent as an SMS but surely not in more formal writing.

I also find it depressing when journalists fail to distinguish between "uninterested" and "disinterested" they're professional writers and should know how to use the tools of their trade.

On the other hand I find it fascinating just how beautiful language can be, not just in the images it can create.  For example, the opening passage from "Under Milk Wood" by Dylan Thomas is a glorious piece of English writing.

Hwyl fawr (as is sometimes said in Welsh!)


PS I sometimes wonder whether "Tardspeak" is actually a dialect.

Date: 2007/04/18 14:07:41, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (J-Dog @ April 18 2007,11:13)
Oh yeah?  If you're really Welsh, how come there's only 1 "W" in your name, and no "L"s?  Huh?

In "Tardspeak" I think this means "You're Otta Here"

Curses, I've been rumbled!

Actually, I've spent my life saying that my name is "Huw with a w".

Even so it gets spelled:
and on one memorable occasion...

Mmmm I love the smell of tard in the morning.

Date: 2007/04/18 16:18:16, Link
Author: huwp
Certainly in nineteenth century London it was very common for many different sections of the community to use their own slang or dialect to keep things hidden from "outsiders"; whether it was costermongers' slang or the cant used by thieves.  You can get a flavour of it in Mayhew's wonderful book "London Labour and London Poor". I'm sure this must be a pretty universal thing.

On the whole I feel this is just part of language and the way we all use it - it's part of the richness of language itself and should be treasured.

However, I do feel that it's important that schoolchildren are taught standard English.  Without it they will risk becoming marginalised.

Mind you, in some professions it could be an advantage; it always seems to me that being able to write complete gobbledegook is a really useful skill if you're a lawyer or civil servant...

... or indeed an IDC proponent!

Date: 2007/04/19 10:32:44, Link
Author: huwp
Besides, I just delurked on Arden's linguistics thread, admitted to being Welsh and was immediately DT'd ("you're outta here") by J-Dog for not having enough Ws or Ls in my name!

Like many lurkers, I suspect, I am in awe of a lot of the knowledge here and have learned a very great deal.  I have also been surprised by some of the nonsense spouted by people like afdave.

Seriously, this forum is a very good read, often hilarious and always interesting.

So there you go.

Date: 2007/04/24 08:13:56, Link
Author: huwp
BA in French and Italian.

Arts graduates are people too!


Date: 2007/05/02 07:36:00, Link
Author: huwp
Oh my, that's good tard.

I think I'm just going to have a little lie down somewhere.

Date: 2007/06/19 07:08:20, Link
Author: huwp
As others have said, the problem is that creationists like to take things literally, which is very child-like.

For example, a creationist walks into a bar with a pig under his arm and the barman asks
"where did you get that?"
"I won him in a raffle"
said the pig.

OK, very old and not very funny but I suspect the common or garden YEC might just say that it's a silly joke because pigs can't talk.  And this from people who have no problems with talking snakes or even talking burning bushes!  My apologies for any Irony Meters which have just given warning buzzes.

Of course, ID people like to think they're more sophisticated but their "humour" rather gives the game away.  Silly pictures with Darwin dolls with heads in vices (UK spelling) or even puerile animations with fart noises are exactly the sort of thing which might appeal to an 8 year old.

Just the age when you almost stop believing in Father Christmas but can't quite manage to do so, just in case.

There is something both child-like and childish about the YEC and ID crowds.  Perhaps the most telling sign of this is that would have us believe what they say is true because they say so

Date: 2007/10/31 11:54:33, Link
Author: huwp
Absolute Morals?

Goodness me, I'm not sure absolute morals even exist within the Judao-Christian worldview, let alone other cultures.  Certainly some of the strictures of Leviticus would hardly be considered moral now.

Surely morals are defined by the society in which they operate and who then enforces them.

Or are the only true morals formed by the society in which you live as revealed by your religious viewpoint?

Stone the crows, good job you weren't born somewhere else or at some other time!

Back to lurking.


Date: 2007/11/16 08:32:04, Link
Author: huwp
...that line will spike like Dembski seeing Denyse in the shower.

Oh thank you SO much.  That is just not an image I wanted to have in my mind.


Date: 2007/11/28 16:32:07, Link
Author: huwp
Ooh, ooh, is this the Tudor Court Rules rematch? I hope not - I'm currently in a state of Knid and there's no way I'll be able join in till tomorrow.

I really like Tudor Court Rules because you CAN transfer inversely which you can't when playing straight.

I've been dying to try out Pendlefold's persuasion, but it'll have to wait...

Mornington Crescent is SUCH a cool game.


Edited for tired typos*

* not a generally accepted part of the game.

Date: 2007/11/29 05:31:55, Link
Author: huwp
In that case I'm opening with Rushton's gambit and starting from High Street Ken.

Date: 2007/11/29 08:06:20, Link
Author: huwp
Gloucester Road!  Ha, right into my trap!  I've been hoping to use Harcourt's Hinge for yonks.

Oxford Circus.

Date: 2007/11/29 08:39:54, Link
Author: huwp
Actually, Baker Street was really quite a safe move although possibly a little predictable.  Louis' Charing Cross offering was elegant but was always going to leave him open to the classic underpin, especially as Tudor Court Rules allow inverse transference.  Hence my move:


Read it and weep, L-man.

Date: 2007/11/29 08:58:59, Link
Author: huwp
Louis, I don't think you had much option there, fair play.  However, if you think I'm going to let myself be side-tracked into Dollis Hill then I'm afraid you're mistaken.

Lou FCD's Baker Street move was very safe and there's little I can do at the moment, especially as I'm not convinced by his faux-naive demeanour.

Anyway, after lunching on one of Ira Smoothy's Seaweed Slashers, and after rejecting any of Beaver Hateman's frankly underhand tricks, I'm going to move for Cloutman and Gubbins and jump to:

Camden Town

Date: 2007/11/29 09:22:12, Link
Author: huwp
As you're BOTH stuck in the Dollis Hill loop - and thus have to stay there for the next three moves, I'm feeling pretty smug about this.

I learned this next move from Waldovenison Smeare - not a very attractive personality, but a mean player.

Damn, I'm so close I can almost touch it -


Date: 2007/11/29 09:34:16, Link
Author: huwp
Oh sweet, sweet, sweet!  If Lou FCD hadn't gone off to Dollis Hill unnecessarily (he could have played his joker and avoided the whole thing.

I'm in:

Mornington Crescent!

Date: 2007/11/29 09:42:02, Link
Author: huwp
Arden, I'm sure if you played the scrumptious game of Mornington Crescent a few times you'd soon find yourself converted to its wonders.

As a game it's only slightly more complicated than cricket and whilst it does help to have played it from an early age, there are plenty of people who take it up later in life...

Date: 2007/11/29 09:43:32, Link
Author: huwp
Lou FCD - we were playing Tudor Court Rules, you don't need to declare intent.

It's at times like this that I wish I'd learned how to do LOLCats...

Date: 2007/11/29 09:51:17, Link
Author: huwp
Louis, you are quite right - that was very silly of me and I should have known better.

Bugger it, I'm stuck out in:

Gallions Reach

Date: 2007/11/29 09:57:11, Link
Author: huwp
I'm really sorry Arden, but no-one's allowed to stay in Cockfosters for more than one move.

That's been the case since the Brooke-Taylor entanglement of 1979.

It's all right for you anyway, I've been booted out to bloomin' Docklands!

Date: 2007/11/29 09:58:59, Link
Author: huwp
Oh I forgot.


Date: 2007/11/29 10:19:49, Link
Author: huwp
I must admit I thought the horsey one's allusions to onanism were a bit much.  As any thorough reading of The Boys Own Paper (1894) will tell you, it's a beastly habit which makes you weak and prone to Ricketts.

Talking of which, in spite of my best efforts I appear to be in a state of Knid.


No bid.

Date: 2007/11/29 10:29:26, Link
Author: huwp
Lou FCD - you are a gentleman (although I very much doubt that DT in "another place" thinks that, not after what you did to him) but released as I now am from Knid, I'm going to take a double lateral pass and move to:

Holland Park.

Date: 2007/11/29 10:42:25, Link
Author: huwp
Actually my office is very near Covent Garden and I have to confess that summertime totty-spotting is one of Life's great joys.

Unlike getting right back to where I started:

High Street Ken.

Date: 2007/11/29 10:45:14, Link
Author: huwp
Bugger it Louis

Do you read that damn rule book in the bath or something.

And it was all going so well, too.

Date: 2007/11/29 10:56:34, Link
Author: huwp
Lou FCD - it's really up to you now.  Because of my previous transgression I'm actually in double spoon and can't even move to Aldwych even though that's ALWAYS a dangerous move.

I think you might be able to huff him if you play your joker but I'm afraid I can't help at all.

Probably my last move:

Turnpike Lane

Date: 2007/11/29 11:00:41, Link
Author: huwp
Lou FCD - be careful, I think he's trying to avoid a huffing.  Do think carefully because otherwise I think Louis is on for Mornington Crescent next move - and he HAS declared intent.

Date: 2007/11/29 11:05:01, Link
Author: huwp
I'm well out of it.  I can't see me getting even close for three moves, maybe four.

Swiss Cottage

Date: 2007/11/29 11:08:38, Link
Author: huwp
Yep, that's fine Lou FCD, but I think it's too late.

It's Louis' turn and unless I'm much mistaken it's...

Date: 2007/11/29 11:11:24, Link
Author: huwp
Well played, gentlemen.

That really was the best game of MC I've had for a while and Louis your endgame was impeccable.

Congratulations and hearty, manly handshakes all round.

Date: 2007/11/29 11:14:11, Link
Author: huwp
Oh dear me, that rulebook of yours IS out of date.  Josephus was discredited in the early 1990s.

I'm afraid he's got us Lou FCD and very neatly too.

Excellent game though.

Date: 2007/11/29 11:20:21, Link
Author: huwp
It's tough getting ANY literature on MC.  I did see an copy of the current rules on the Isle of Man Amazon site  but every time I try nowadays I can't get in.

Well played anyway.  It's been a pleasure.

Date: 2007/11/30 04:29:28, Link
Author: huwp
Had I known "Little Stinky" was watching I'd have been very nervous indeed, so I'm glad I didn't know.

I have to confess that I am very much an amateur player.  I was once knocked out of the North Kent Regionals at the semi-final stage, but that was not long after I'd left University where I played a lot more.

There'll always be some who mock "the glorious game" but perhaps they should ask themselves firstly whether the denizens of UD would play, or even understand, MC and secondly how they feel about keeping such company.

Date: 2007/11/30 10:05:39, Link
Author: huwp
I am extremely proud of being Welsh, although I always feel a bit uncomfortable that our American cousins have National Parks which are bigger than the Land of My Fathers.

I seem to recall Arden is a linguist (I may be completely wrong, of course) but I'm sure he must appreciate a language which has soft, nasal and aspirate mutations.

OK I'll shut up now and get back to Mornington Crescent for Dummies.

PS Louis - I agree; an MC thread would wither and die, which would be a shame.  Much better to have an occasional outbreak.

Date: 2007/11/30 10:19:18, Link
Author: huwp
Not yet, unfortunately.  Welsh language usage is increasing however and it helps a great deal that it's easy to get some exposure.  I watch a lot of rugby on S4C...

I will learn it, though.  I have taken classes in the past but what I really need to do is spend some there; I live and work in London.

I read French and Italian at Uni, so I'm confident that I will be able to learn it.  Italian is a gorgeous language but I love the look and feel of Welsh.

Date: 2007/11/30 10:25:06, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 30 2007,10:15)
I don't genuinely have any issue with the Welsh or Wales. I only do so for comedy and rugby based purposes.

I think I knew that aleady, Louis!

Actually this is a terribly friendly, welcoming and entertaining board. I think it takes an awful lot to wind you lot up and the likes of AFDave and FtK really have to work quite hard to do so...

Date: 2007/11/30 10:51:20, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 30 2007,10:42)
The problem is that they have all the manners of Klingons at Star Trek convention.  Right now, Lou and Louis are hijacking poor Zero's thread to swap imaginary girlfriends. It is a pitiful sight.

But at least it's loads more interesting than the stuff Zero writes.  Not difficult, I admit, but even so...

Do you know how badly Klingons behave at Star Trek conventions from personal experience?  Just wondering...

Date: 2007/11/30 11:03:49, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 30 2007,11:01)
I'm OK with snarky asides and minor tangents.

Indeed, no game of Mornington Crescent is ever complete without a couple of snarky asides often involving both minor and major tangents.

Date: 2007/12/01 03:42:46, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Tom Ames @ Nov. 30 2007,12:08)
I think you might be confusing 'tangent' with 'chord': there is no such thing as a 'major' or 'minor' tangent. Unless Darling's Rule (the 1923 version) has been invoked, tangents are absolute quantities. It would be like saying 'most unique' or 'having some specified complexity'.

Minor chords, on the other hand, are real potential routes, which can be used to transect the Great Circle with devastating effect on any opposing player who happens to be in knip.

If the move is made in the Aeolian mode, it usually results in Mornington Crescent within five.

Hope this clears things up!

I'm afraid I think you're a bit (!) behind with your reading, which is understable given how difficult it is to get hold of the literature.

However, as you must surely know, following The Great Schism of the late 1950s it was eventually decided to hold a rubber of reconciliation where most of these issues were addressed.  It was held that tangents are not absolutes at all, however their use within the Great Circle is restricted to anti-clockwise flanking movements.  Such moves are common in the UK game but less frequently used overseas which has led to the mistaken view that such moves are not legal.  They're not, they're just rarer.

The problem with the literature, apart from its scarcity, of course, is that one of the major factions would brook no dissent, in fact dissent was positively uncommon.  Dissent, such as it was, tended to be whitewashed out and the dissenters removed from history.  Whilst not doing any research on The Game, they would pump out meaningless drivel which became easier to get of than clear and complete versions of the modern synthesis.  This continues to be a source of misunderstanding.

The other faction, however, to which most sensible players belong, embraces any change to the game which makes it better, rather than saying "dunno, it just is", hence The Game has evolved into the beautiful past-time we know it to be.  Its complexity does mean that it's very important to clarify the rules at the beginning of any game, thereby creating the information needed by the players.

This is also one of the problems I've noted here - several of our American cousins insist on quoting rules from the 1920s which have mostly been superseded.  The Game has moved on.

I know the literature is difficult to get hold of, but there are some bookshops in London which have small MC nooks - there's one in Charing Cross Road near my office, No.84, I think.

Hwyl am y tro!


Date: 2007/12/01 05:54:40, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Tom Ames @ Dec. 01 2007,04:26)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 01 2007,02:22)
If the move is made in the Aeolian mode, it usually results in Mornington Crescent within five.

Hope this clears things up!

However, Louis has invoked Front Butt, so all bets are off.

Um, now you're just not making any sense whatsoever.

Well, I'm glad you said that!  "Front butt" indeed!

One of the great joys of MC is its complexity which means it's ALWAYS important to agree conventions at the start of any game.

Hwyl fawr


PS As an aside, have any of you non-brits ever come across a very interesting set of short programs called "Look Around You" - they're on YouTube, I think.  Series 1 is the better, but be warned they're more infectious than LOLcats!!

Date: 2007/12/04 18:09:11, Link
Author: huwp
Wakey waky Louis, the damn colonials are getting out of line; they'll be dumping tea in Boston harbour next.

Nos da pawb!


Date: 2008/01/17 15:52:36, Link
Author: huwp
Hmmmm, my very dear ex-lover grew up in one of their  bases here in the UK; her parents joined and the family went too.

I think it's fair to say that they're a pretty nasty bunch - not necessarily the members but those who wield the power, certainly.  In fact an awful lot of organized religions seem to be more interested in power (and its close relation, money) than in seeking an understanding of the World.

Or perhaps I'm just getting cynical through over-exposure to UD and FtK.

Gosh, I DO like this forum!

Back to lurking....


Edit: Oooh blimey!  I have an edit button!

Date: 2008/01/31 08:07:22, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 31 2008,07:42)
ByTheWay my limey friend where in the hell is arden?  did you run him off too, like lenny?  i missed the exchange where he sashayed out, please advise.

Oh I so misunderstood - I always thought it was something to do with Louis' use of the Highgate manoeuvre during a particularly fierce game of Mornington Crescent.  I seem to recall that Lenny was somewhat left of centre and almost any reference to the burial place of Karl Marx is a bit controversial.

Of course some people feel the same way about Groucho...

Date: 2008/01/31 08:11:23, Link
Author: huwp
Um, delurking...

This Skeptics in the Pub thing sounds like a hoot, especially if there's the chance of meeting some of the other AtBCers/CBEBs...

I'd be interested if any others are going...

back to lurking...

Date: 2008/01/31 08:20:30, Link
Author: huwp
Must. Not. Be. Drawn. Into. Another. Game. With. Evil. Louis...

Acton Central

Oh noes!!!!!11111oneoneone!!!1111

Date: 2008/01/31 08:26:31, Link
Author: huwp
Chopped liver is very tasty if you marinade it overnight in soy sauce, wine vinegar, demerara sugar and (most importantly) root ginger.  Fry it gently, add a little flour as thickening, add the marinade to some beef stock and serve on a bed of tagliatelle.


That is SO off topic and I apologize.

So - are going to hear this chap or not?

Date: 2008/03/31 08:09:23, Link
Author: huwp
Never argue with a chemist; you'll just get a rude retort.

Date: 2008/04/11 08:16:09, Link
Author: huwp
BWE Posted on April 11 2008,03:15

Ah, I just cant fool a master baiter.

But some people do go onan on!


Edit: Because I'm awfully proud of having an edit button and to say that I didn't mean anyone in particular was going on and on, it just seemed like too good an opportunity to miss.

Date: 2008/05/09 07:33:34, Link
Author: huwp
I don't think playing Toilet Mornington Crescent is ever a good idea unless you've had four or five pints of London Pride first.  Mind you, in that case, almost anything seems like a good idea.

Back to lurking...

PS I don't think I've ever seen Dorking played in Mornington Crescent before but I could be wrong.

Date: 2008/05/12 04:26:43, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ May 09 2008,10:42)
P.S. Five pints of London Pride? Egads! I mean it's better than American beer of course, even elderly yak urine is better than American beer, but honestly, not even a pint of Brains SA in there? tut tut tut! ;-)

London Pride is a lovely pint - and Brains SA is delicious (da iawn), although not always easy to find in London.  My local does a very nice pint of Bombadier and they have a cellarman who knows how to look after his beer.

Ideally I'd like to ride around on my R1200GS Adventure (now there's a bike for you) through the wilds of Sussex and Kent sampling local brews but beer and bikes don't really mix.  It makes the beer a bit oily.

I've been meaning to ask, but as a lurker haven't really thought it my place, but would a London based atbc beer-up be a good idea?  Just a thought.

Hwyl am y tro.


Date: 2008/05/12 08:12:23, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ May 12 2008,04:45)
* ETA July might be no good for me either, just checked calendar! Here's a suggestion or two perhaps the May 20th event or better still the June 17th one? I've just realised no time is ever going to be good for me (work, blech), and I might be turning up to these two SitP events, so for my money, multitasking on the beer front is a good idea.

Well, the June 17th thingy looks interesting and should be quite possible.  I'll put it in my diary and if work eases up enough for you to make it, perhaps you might PM me nearer the time.

It would be cool if there were other AtBCers around too - not that I'm worried about the rumours; it's just that when everyone says the same thing...

... besides the Cottaging version of MC is a bit suspect.

Date: 2008/05/13 02:10:03, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (J-Dog @ May 12 2008,13:00)
Not to worry you or anything, but do you think Dembski's pals at Homeland Security notify MI6 of your potential known Darwinist / terrorist cell meeting ATBC fun-filled meet-up with a special call, or is all automatic?

Oh I don't think anyone would worry too much about MI5 or MI6, after all "Military Intelligence" is a well known oxymoron.

However, I confess, it would be a bit scary meeting the main inventor of Cottaging MC on his own.

As a longtime, mostly, lurker I'd be really interested to meet other London-based AtBCers; apart from having a very good giggle at some of nonsense coming from the Creationists I have learned so much from the people on this board.

I mean, I'd never heard of LOLcats before...


Date: 2008/05/20 08:33:53, Link
Author: huwp

Leafy South East London, but I work in central London near Covent Garden, which is not at all a bad place to work.

Would be very happy to meet any AtBCers for a drink, although I might be being good as I commute by large motorcycle.  Well, I'd look silly on a unicycle.



Date: 2008/05/21 04:18:56, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Alan Fox @ May 21 2008,04:08)
Well, you should have taken advantage of the two-hour French lunch-break. Too gentlemanly by half!

But that wouldn't have been cricket!

Date: 2008/06/05 09:53:05, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ June 05 2008,03:45)
1) If we tolerate X in others (turn a blind eye etc) then X will proliferate and everything will be destroyed.

2) If it weren't for (religious*) moral proposition Y everyone would be doing immoral act X.

But there again, as Macaulay wrote:

"The Puritan hated bear-baiting, not because it gave pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the spectators"

Date: 2008/07/02 07:45:14, Link
Author: huwp
Ride my bike down lots of Kent and Sussex country lanes, learn Welsh and work when I must.

Now you don't often see those three things in one sentence.

Date: 2008/08/08 04:04:32, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 08 2008,03:03)
... it's amazing I get anything done around here.

Oh wait, I don't.

Oh right.

Well, in that case...

... Fairlop.

(ooooh, is that the sound of mass groaning?)

Date: 2008/08/08 05:35:56, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 08 2008,05:02)
Well obviously I'll have to reply with South Quay thereby emulating the Ferktwangler Pre-Millenial DLR Opening of 1999. Escalators are wild and I think Stovold's fifth declension should apply after such a gambit, don't you?

Well, I have had a quick look and couldn't spot a dedicated MC thread, but on the other hand it can hardly be easy to get booted off the BW for being off topic.  Anyway, it's Friday.

I know that Arden and others don't like the game, but they don't have to play if they don't want to; they can can always go and make up a few more LOLcats or "har har this is you" piccies.

The Ferktwangler manoeuvre hasn't been seen since 1999 for many very good reasons, but mainly because it's crap.  Oh well, your choice.  And Stovold's fifth declension would be compulsory as I recall.

I wanted to open with Fairlop as it gives me the chance to try Goodman's Rush (as pioneered by Blenkinsop in the Western European heats of the notorious 1978 "TISWAS gunge series").  Luckily, your choice of South Quay cannot block me as the DLR hadn't been built then.

Mile End.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it!

PS May I just that I would seriously consider paying good money for you NOT to be displayed on this forum wearing a red dress.  It was bad enough when Lou did that, although what people do in the privacy of their own homes is entirely their own business.

[Edited for grammar but also for smugness in that I do have an edit button.]

Date: 2008/08/08 05:45:42, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 08 2008,05:42)

I just think that proves my point.

Mind you - a LOLcat AND a "har har this is you" together - two for the price of one; probably the best value on atbc this morning.

Date: 2008/08/08 08:24:22, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 08 2008,06:10)
All your base are belong to me. In Soviet Russia Intarnetz win you. Take off every zig. Something to do with Rick Astley (Oh yeah, I'm down with the kids), Ph34r my L337 Sk1LL5! And so on and so forth.

I thought tactical nukes weren't allowed?

Oh well, never mind.

At least Kevin Pietersen's knocked up another 50*.

* This is a cricket reference.

Date: 2008/08/08 09:33:05, Link
Author: huwp
If I may...


I mostly lurk here and for a very good reason.  My degree is in French and Italian and whilst I am reasonably well-read, I am a non-scientist. However, I am intensely curious about the World and take enormous delight in its variety and splendour.

When I come here, I frequently find myself learning so many new things about the World and how it works - just read some of Zachriel's posts for example, and he is just one of many.  I also like a good laugh.

Many of the members here have spent years and years studying the science and from many, many different angles and they all like a good argument - you may have noticed.  The thing is, there is SO much evidence, from so many different angles, all of which supports the fact the the Earth is very old and that the theory of evolution (as continually updated and refined) is correct, that there really is no argument.

Unfortunately, we often get YEC visitors here who say "you're all completely wrong; everything you've studied for years and years and which seems to make sense and for which there is so much evidence is wrong".  When pressed as to why, all they can really say is "because I say so".  Or perhaps more accurately "because my intrepretation of my holy book says so".

There are plenty of scientists, including on this forum, who have deeply held religious beliefs and who have no problem reconciling them with Science.  But then we often get YEC visitors here who claim that their, and only their interpretation of religious belief is correct.  And when pressed for as to why, all they can really say is, well, because they say so.

So, on the one hand many of the YEC visitors completely dismiss the huge amount of work and study undertaken by the members here (let alone the enormous piles of evidence) without having done any of that work themselves, and on the other hand they are being profoundly disrespectful of the deeply held and sincere religious beliefs of those who see no conflict between Science and (their) religion.

As we have seen this so, so, so many times, it might explain, perhaps, why YECs sometimes get a very robust reception here.  It's especially difficult when YECs say "show me the evidence", are then patiently and politely shown that evidence only for them to say, as they do, "but you're still all wrong, because my holy book says so".

You do seem like a courteous and polite chap but you do seem to have already decided that your interpretation of your holy book is the only Truth because you know it to be so.  So if I might perhaps ask you - why are you here?

Hwyl fawr


Date: 2008/08/09 14:24:52, Link
Author: huwp
Too many wheels - I find two is plenty.

BMW R1200GS Adventure.

Date: 2008/08/10 01:36:22, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Wolfhound @ Aug. 09 2008,21:01)
Here's mine, before the color-coordinated Second Look tank and seat skins were installed.

Yamaha R6.

The R6 is a great bike and goes like stink; I love seeing one being well ridden.  At 6'3" I'm a bit tall for a sports bike and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable crunching miles across Europe on one either!  Besides, except when touring I generally prefer the sort of roads where the Adventure's torque comes into its own.

Edited because I finally worked out how to post a picture - woohoo!

Date: 2008/08/10 11:25:34, Link
Author: huwp
My daughter now has an F650GS but before that she had a hooligan DT125 to learn on.  Whenever I had a go on it I felt like a teddy bear sitting on a roller skate!

I've ridden GSs for the past 13 years of so, going from the 1100 to the 1150, 1200 and now the Adventure.  It IS heavy but that suits me.

I've ridden through the Alps to Italy a couple of times and have been as far as a corner of Poland via Prague.  The most miles I've done in a day was just shy of 800 - wouldn't fancy that on an R6!!!

A couple of my friends ride R6s - they do look fun.  Mind you almost all bikes are fun, with the possible exception of the Virago <shudder>.

Date: 2008/08/12 15:24:20, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Bing @ Aug. 08 2008,14:58)
It must remind him of his Public School days, fond memories of straw boaters, bubble & squeak and buggery.

You forgot the beatings.  There were lots of beatings.  Not so much bubble and squeak unfortunately.

Then there was this.

Date: 2008/08/12 15:48:48, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 12 2008,15:38)
Fagging was sadly banned in my later years. Apparently some people thought it was rather harsh after some kid collapsed following a week or two of runs at every mealtime. A punishment earned for "breathing without permission".

Alas fagging was still around when I was at school - a nasty pernicious practice and often very degrading; I remember being sent off to warm up a loo seat for one of the prefects.  Public School (really a private school) was still a pretty brutal place even in the 1970s, very much like Lindsay Anderson's film If....

As for "breathing without permission" - isn't that from Tompkinson's Schooldays?

Date: 2008/08/12 16:05:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 12 2008,15:54)
No idea. It was a favourite crime used by the prefects to dole out punishments when they were bored. If they got it from some work of fiction then I'll have to credit them with more ability to read than I did at the time! ;-)

Loo seat warming eh? Make a lot of toast did you?


I made more toast and washed more cups and saucepans than I can bear thinking about - although stories of members of the lower school being used as toast racks were wildly exagerrated.  Well, completely untrue, actually.  Prefects did wield considerable power and had only just lost the power to beat - really!  The staff were very distant outside of lessons and games and some pretty nasty bullying went on.

People who say your schooldays are the best days of your life are talking bollocks; I hated every bloody moment.

Anyway, I'm sure they were quoting Tompkinson's Schooldays when you were breathing (out?) without permission.  Michael Palin and Terry Jones wrote some very funny Ripping Yarns for TV, the first of which was Tompkinson's Schooldays. Very, very funny.

Date: 2008/08/12 16:15:44, Link
Author: huwp
Excuse me, I mostly lurk so I'm not quite sure of the etiquette.  If there's going to be a fight, is it OK if I bring a deck chair and some sandwiches?  

Also, if there's any betting, I'd like a tenner on Maya...

Date: 2008/08/12 16:35:12, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2008,16:30)
There's always a giggle to be had just from googling "Davescot"..

Well yes.

He does seem to be an awfully angry little man doesn't he?

I do get a lot giggles from here though - as well as learning a lot.

Date: 2008/08/17 16:39:46, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 17 2008,14:13)
Suddenly I'm getting a serious case of nerves about school starting tomorrow.

8 AM, my very first Bio class since 9th or 10th grade (1983ish?).

Good luck Lou from a (mostly) lurker.  I'm sure the kids will benefit from your classes enormously.

But perhaps the red dress isn't such a great idea!!!

Date: 2008/08/17 16:56:13, Link
Author: huwp
" here.  Oh well.

I am Welsh (the name's a bit of a giveaway) but even I would say Edinburgh would be a better choice.  Swansea is greatly improved as a Town in recent years but Edinburgh has things like the Festival and so on.  Both are surrounded by wonderful countryside.  

As I live in London and Wales is MUCH closer,  I have spent many happy days biking along narrow roads up through the ancient Cambrian mountains to mid Wales.

There were many sheep but I didn't see Louis once.

The Cubs baseball caps sound just fine; it is a token after all.  To be honest, I'm not sure that Bourbon would necessarily be well received.

Hwyl fawr.


Date: 2008/09/04 12:00:55, Link
Author: huwp
The 'ring is seriously scary and no matter how fast you think you are, you may well find yourself being overtaken by a complete nutter in a Smart car or even a Ford Transit Van.  Allegedly.  If you're planning a trip there it's really important to check whether the 'ring is open on the days you want to use it - as I learned.

A lot of bike groups (mine is London Advanced Motorcyclists) organize annual trips there.  There are loads of really great places to stay around there; we've normally stayed in Cochem which is on the Mosel.  Some of the roads around there are as much fun as the 'ring itself.

Date: 2008/09/11 08:54:25, Link
Author: huwp
The Rick Astley quotes were a bit of a giveaway though.

Altogether now... "never gonna give you up, never gonna...."

Actually, perhaps not.  There are certain members of this board (I shall name no names) who will take any excuse to dress up in gold lamé hotpants and shake their booty and frankly I don't think they should be encouraged.  Purely on the grounds of taste, you understand.

Hwyl fawr (yes, that's Welsh)


Date: 2008/09/11 10:48:37, Link
Author: huwp
Hey, if you've studied French AND Spanish then you'll know Portuguese - ask AFDave.

Date: 2008/09/11 13:05:17, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 11 2008,12:34)
Quote (huwp @ Sep. 11 2008,09:54)
Hwyl fawr (yes, that's Welsh)

I used to hear, with some regularity, an exclamation in Kentucky that sounded like "Hell far". I always took it to be a dialectish way of saying "Hell fire". Now I wonder if it's got an origin in your Hwyl fawr phrase.

There's a Welsh speaking community in Patagonia but that's a long way from Kentucky, but you never know, strange things happen...

...and they don't get much stranger than Louis.  Leopard-skin hotpants <shudder>

Date: 2008/09/11 17:02:00, Link
Author: huwp
The Welsh word for England is, IIRC, Lloegr, which means "The Lost Lands", allegedly.  I have a friend who used to say that "The Occupied Territories" would be more appropriate.

Anyway, what is it about you lot having a go at Wales?  We are a small country, smaller, I think, than Yellowstone Park, but we're certainly not the ones trying to export the Dark Ages to the rest of the World in the form of Creationism.

Date: 2008/09/11 17:33:15, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 11 2008,17:06)
Actually, I'm quite fond of Wales. A gorgeous country and an amazing language. And I know that in real life they wouldn't even have Louis.

I'm just trying to bait Louis as punishment for him driving RichardTHughes away.

Well, Louis is Louis, which is about all you can say about him, although I have noticed (as have we all) that you and he both seem to have <cough> "feelings" towards each other!

The Welsh language is fascinating and, I think, one of the oldest in Europe.  After many, many years of decline it seems to be recovering, which is great.

Da boch


Date: 2008/09/12 00:55:42, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (jeffox @ Sep. 11 2008,23:52)
No offense, but I liked the "dark ages" part(s) of Wales, when I visited in May 2003.  But, then again, I'm a castle nut.  :)

FYI I visited Caerphilly, Hav'fordwest, :) Kidwelly, Caernarvon, Beaumarais, Conway, and Flint.  I'll see more next time I can get over the pond.  

Creoso Cyrmu!

There's a slightly odd paradox about the castles because they're such a part of Wales and yet most of them were built by Edward I during his conquest of Wales to keep the locals in order.  Originally they were instruments of oppression; now, of course, they're just great castles.

Date: 2008/09/12 03:04:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 12 2008,02:46)
Yeah of course. How else does one get rid of those flavour demons that Satan sends to infect the food of the godly?


HP sauce?

Date: 2008/09/27 06:14:30, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Sep. 27 2008,05:04)
Hi there, I'm here now...

Hello, I'm mostly a lurker but I thought I'd say hello, especially as your username is from one of my favourite books.

Welcome.  Just so as you know... they're all very nice here but some of them are, well, a little odd.

Carlsonjok used to have a thing about horses but now does a lot of "har har this is you" type pictures.

Louis and Arden go on an awful lot (and I do mean an awful lot) about each other's mothers but REALLY we all know they've got a thing for each other and ought to get a room.

Afarensis and J-dog both have a thing about cavemen, in fact I have a suspicion that J-dog actually IS a caveman.

One of the Mods is a witch, another seems to be rather fond of the bottle and the third has a beard but likes to wear a red dress - we've seen the pictures.

Zachriel and Reciprocating Bill are very brainy but are as dotty as the rest of them.

We used to have a poster called richardthughes who was very funny and wrote the very best tardologues (although others write quite good ones too).  He went off in a bit of a huff and I for one miss his contributions.

A significant amount of communication appears to be achieved by means of LOLcats (is there nothing they can't do?)

I think that's about it.  There are loads of others here and most of them are a bit dotty too.

Anyway, welcome!


Date: 2008/09/27 18:22:42, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 27 2008,09:34)
None of this is true. Except for the bits that are.

Ignore Huw's bitterness, he's just envious that Arden and I don't include him in the boredom-banter. Oh, and he's a suspect Welshman, which is never a good thing.

I'm not at all bitter but I am Welsh, look you, and I'm simply delighted that you and Arden have found happiness together, albeit in a somewhat twisted way.  But whatever turns you on...

Anyway, after all the recent banninations - and dt simply must have overdosed on cheesy poofs or something - you'd have thought someone would have done a tardologue by now but no.


Date: 2008/10/04 06:56:01, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 03 2008,07:52)
But enough about Arden's mother....

Please tell me that's a promise.

Date: 2008/10/13 16:56:03, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (dvunkannon @ Oct. 13 2008,14:46)
Just picked up The Illustrated Origin of Species, by C. Darwin. It's wonderful!

OK this is somewhat off topic but on Saturday my wife and I visited Down House in Kent where Charles Darwin used to live.  The house is now owned and run by English Heritage who do a fine job.  The countryside round there has barely changed since Darwin's day apart from the aircraft noises - it's right next door to Biggin Hill airfield.

It's well worth a visit if any of you are in the area.

Hwyl fawr


Date: 2008/10/21 17:32:47, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 21 2008,15:16)
... The same cannot be said for languages. Try it - take a paragraph, put it into google translate, then again and again and rotate it through several different languages. It won't be the same when translated back into the original language.

This is so true (along with much else here).

For example, in English we have two similar but very distinct words: "glance" and "glimpse".  Their separate meaning is very clear.  In Italian both may be translated by the word "occhiata" meaning a short sight of something.

"Translating" Daniel's number is, I suspect, more a question of decoding rather than translating.  With translation you have to consider questions of usage, idiom, register and other matters.

Wikipedia has a fun article on English as She is Spoke.

That reminds me, I really ought to craunch a marmoset...

Hwyl fawr


Date: 2008/10/23 18:03:38, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 22 2008,17:52)
*I'm not sure what nana means. Aunt or Grandma, I'm guessing.

FWIW one of my grandmothers was "Nana".

There you go.

Well, bugger me, that added a lot to the discussion.  Tell you what, I'll get me coat...

Date: 2008/10/31 07:18:28, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (dogdidit @ Oct. 31 2008,07:09)
Almost as good as breasts.

Steady on, you'll get Louis into a bit of a lather with talk like that.

Dark Star is great film though.

Date: 2009/01/12 03:40:47, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2009,10:35)
How Dare You!

(Ladbroke Grove)


Must... resist... MC addiction... go to happy place...

Oh bugger.

Tooting Bec.

Damn, damn, damn, damn.

Date: 2009/01/12 05:35:50, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2009,04:04)
Quote (huwp @ Jan. 12 2009,09:40)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 11 2009,10:35)
How Dare You!

(Ladbroke Grove)


Must... resist... MC addiction... go to happy place...

Oh bugger.

Tooting Bec.

Damn, damn, damn, damn.

Tooting Bec eh? Interesting, last played by Ruskilovingpopperovski in '38 if I'm not mistaken, whilst attempting to lateral shift at the same time as blocking a Northern Approach to Cockfosters and rendering the whole Jubilee line out of bounds by Squaring the Diagonal.

Hmmm, I can see I'll have to take you seriously. Such bold play deserves respect. In which case...

Aldwych (closed).


Actually the Tooting Bec opening was last played by Giles Featheringstonehaugh during the so-called Pirate series of 1977 when Kerry Packer sought to bring MC to his Channel 9 network.

The Alwych (closed) move is very sound, if perhaps a little conventional, although it's nice to see you avoid the awfully predictable Stockwell.

Tower Hill.

Date: 2009/01/12 07:07:11, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2009,05:47)
Hmmmm, Ladbroke Grove to Tooting Bec to Aldwych (closed) to Tower Hill, surely this is analogous to the Grand Opening of Her Majesty first viewed in the '50s if memory serves.

I assume that elevators are wild since it would appear that we have deviated from Stovold and moved into the dastardly realms of The Cardinals. This of course being the case I shall come from the East with a Masonic Lateral:



P.S. This could get out of hand.

Good God man, you can't mention HM's Grand Opening here - there may be colonials around!  I know you're not renowned for tact and diplomacy round here, but there again, if what Arden's mother says about you is true...

Anyway, of course, we have deviated from Stovold; we're in the second week of January and, yes, naturally, lifts are wild (elevators!!!)

The Masonic lateral is interesting since it is both level and square.

I wish to keep my options open and definitely do not wish to go in Nid.  Hence:


Date: 2009/01/12 12:05:03, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2009,11:59)
Moorgate eh? Devious.

As befits your kind.

Anyway, since elevators (not merely lifts, a distinction you missed, and I shall take advantage of) are wild, I shall plumb for a Loop and go for:



Good grief man, are you trying Pilkington's finesse?  In January?

Oh well, your loss.


Have you written your will?

Date: 2009/01/12 16:01:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 12 2009,15:21)
Euston? EUSTON???? Such terrible play hasn't been seen since the Brompton fiasco during the Boer War, and I'm sure I don't need to tell you how THAT turned out.

Have at you, sir:

Trafalgar Square.


Oh dear.  I thought it was such an obvious trap that not even you would fall for it, but you did.

Well enjoy the fountains and don't feed the pigeons.  My next move is Baker Street which allows me to declare 221b rules (yippee!) so all other rules are void and I don't see how you can stop my next move.

Louis old chum, you've blown it...

Date: 2009/01/12 16:14:28, Link
Author: huwp
Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

Date: 2009/01/13 07:40:39, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 13 2009,04:29)
You have fallen directly into the trap I set. Holmes is dining at the Ritz hence:

Green Park.

Have at you, dog!


It doesn't matter if Holmes is dining at the Ritz now as 221b rules have already been declared and so all other rules, including the other Conan-Doyle conventions, are void.


Mornington Crescent.

Date: 2009/01/13 07:44:36, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 13 2009,06:15)
Once again, Louis, you are wrong.  Mornington Crescent was already won back in September.

"They thought it was all over, it is now!"

You can't beat a spot of Kenneth Wolstenholme.

Date: 2009/01/13 11:47:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 13 2009,09:24)
So Louis, now that this smelly hippie has won your little 'game', are you now done nerding up our beloved Bathroom Wall?

Excuse me, who are you calling a smelly hippie?

(edited for spelling - in a one-line post too, oh the shame, shame!)

Date: 2009/01/13 11:58:25, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 13 2009,09:37)
I've consulted with the Chairman via a seance and his ruling is that you are in Spoon and have to move to Trafalgar Square, if you pass Go do not collect £200.

Louis, you, of all people, should not be consulting imaginary friends.  I'm afraid you'll just have to face the fact that you've lost; so the best thing to do is take it like man (I'll leave the obvious joke here to Arden or Carlson).

Huw (not a hippie and not smelly)

Date: 2009/01/13 15:47:43, Link
Author: huwp
In the space of just three posts we have had a mother joke, some sour grapes AND a lolcat.  Now if only we could have a vintage RTH Tardologue and an ftk flounce out, that would be really something.

Date: 2009/01/14 16:26:40, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (jeffox @ Jan. 14 2009,15:07)
Gotcha.  And I'm game.  I'll start with Monument awaiting a gap.  But I'm the underdog!

Enjoy the game but do be careful; Louis is a really, really bad loser.  

Oh, and Arden might call you a smelly hippie.  And there's almost bound to be a mother joke.  And a lolcat.

Date: 2009/01/15 08:32:19, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 15 2009,04:35)
I might favour the occasional game of Mornington Crescent, but at least I've never stooped to learning Klingon.

Except when you lose - then you sound like a Klingon with a hangover.

Date: 2009/01/18 11:57:41, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Jan. 18 2009,11:35)
What I'd like to know Daniel, is why YOU disagree with these verdicts.  How much research have YOU YOURSELF done into these areas?  How do YOU know that the settled science is wrong?  Is it based on YOUR OWN study of these subjects or is it based on someone elses opinion?

Instead of just whining about how people on this informal discussion forum won't provide you with an exhaustive list of references (why should they spend days working for you), how about you go out and read some real textbooks on the subject which will provide references for you to follow up, then you should be able to find out why this is "settled science".


Date: 2009/01/18 12:11:13, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 18 2009,09:13)
Quote (rossum @ Jan. 18 2009,12:53)
Quote (Marion Delgado @ Jan. 17 2009,20:33)
This discovery is indeed Nobel caliber, but I am already girding my loins to be expelled from the Nobel process.

Irrelevant anyway - it is questionable whether or not Stockholm is a valid move in MC.


If using STOVOLD, no. If using the Swedish STØVÖLÐ,then of course yes.



I hate to be picky (that's more Arden's job) but "Stockholm" itself wouldn't be admissible under any MC convention that I know of, as it is the name the of the city itself.  For example, no UK based MC game ever has a move called "London".

However, given the "hub and spokes" nature of the Stockholm Metro system (see Mark Ovenden's Metro Maps of the World p101) any Stockholm based MC game would be quite challenging.  Starting at Ropsten would be quite interesting, although there may be more to be gained from an opening gambit based on Alvik.

I'll get my coat.

Date: 2009/01/23 05:50:31, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 23 2009,03:56)
Hmmm....  I wonder if she's a Vogon?

Good question.  I suppose the test is whether you could  imagine her writing something like this (from The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy):

Oh freddled gruntbuggly,
Thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
with crinkly bindlewurdles,
Or I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon
See if I don't.

Why yes, yes I could.

The only bit that's missing is "buy my book".

Date: 2009/01/24 16:21:56, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 23 2009,12:14)

Embarrissing Places To Live

Louis and Huwp - You got some explaining' to do....

Honestly, you spend Saturday doing fun things that involve having a life and then look what happens AND there are mother jokes.

Anyway...  Pratts Bottom is quite near where I live and as it's near Badger's Mount you've really got to wonder what a Pratt really is (apart from the obvious ones).  You wouldn't linger in Pratts Bottom; it's not nasty, just not very exciting.

Mind you, at least we made up our own names.  An awful lot of your names seem to be ours with "New" in front of it (or "Nova" if you're a bit posh) or bleeding obvious.

We're quite proud of our crap towns, you can even buy books about them: Crap Towns

Date: 2009/01/26 09:04:28, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 26 2009,07:18)

Speaking of keeping you grounded, I think I did my part. Mind you, I may have overdone it just a teeeeeeeeeeeeeeensy bit.

I have the number of a very good therapist if you're having self esteem issues....



Is it working for you then?

Date: 2009/01/27 16:19:26, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2009,16:12)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 27 2009,22:09)
Corrected it for you:
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2009,14:00)
Ahhhh the clonk of leather on willowmy exposed bum always transports me back to a more innocent time.

Please, Louis. If you want to talk about your time growing up in that boarding school, start your own thread for it. :angry:

It was a tennis shoe actually.


I think they meant what you were beaten with rather than beating with.

Date: 2009/01/27 16:21:17, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 27 2009,16:09)
Corrected it for you:
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2009,14:00)
Ahhhh the clonk of leather on willowmy exposed bum always transports me back to a more innocent time.

Please, Louis. If you want to talk about your time growing up in that boarding school, start your own thread for it. :angry:

Um Arden, you sort of sound, um jealous...

Date: 2009/01/27 16:29:20, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 27 2009,16:20)
That's because you already have it in your hand, you dirty bugger.

I thought the Bathroom Wall was the place for knob jokes, but then I read all the stuff from Daniel and thought his argument was a joke and he does come across as a bit of a knob so fair dos.

Is it time for the LOLcat?

Date: 2009/01/27 17:04:21, Link
Author: huwp
Well, in an effort to be on topic...

I've seen (damn it we all have, ad nauseam) pictures of Dr D's enormous cardigan and I couldn't help wondering whether it was some sort of symbol for ID's supposed big tent or whether, perhaps, it was the big tent itself?

I'm really sorry if someone's already asked this only there are an awful lot of pages in this thread (and LOLcats).

Date: 2009/01/27 17:19:16, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 27 2009,17:08)
No. The sweater is not the tent.  But, you are in luck because I used my mad google skillz to find a picture of the creation of the ID Big Tent.  

Whilst I am in awe of teh mad google skillz, I'm not sure I'd describe that picture as tasteful.  I'm just glad we didn't get something from your horse collection.

However, I suppose it really could depict the genesis of the ID Big Tent.

Date: 2009/01/28 17:38:51, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 28 2009,12:04)
Quote (huwp @ Jan. 27 2009,14:21)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 27 2009,16:09)
Corrected it for you:
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2009,14:00)
Ahhhh the clonk of leather on willowmy exposed bum always transports me back to a more innocent time.

Please, Louis. If you want to talk about your time growing up in that boarding school, start your own thread for it. :angry:

Um Arden, you sort of sound, um jealous...

It figures that a Welshman would assume jealousy of such things.

Well the thing is, if you will go on about Louis' "exposed bum" what do you expect people to think?

Date: 2009/01/28 17:45:14, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 28 2009,16:43)
"Denmark, Switzerland, Austria and - wait for it - Iceland. "

G** D*** that is lame.

The whole "wait for it" thing is really sloppy journalism.  

Over here journalists frequently use "disinterested" when they mean "uninterested" and I must admit I find it incredibly annoying.  Writing is, after all, their profession and they should at least have a slight acquaintance with a decent dictionary.

Date: 2009/01/29 03:59:02, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 28 2009,19:22)
Interesting. What makes you mention Louis's exposed bum? Is Louis Welsh, too?

I thought Louis Welsh was a judge on X Factor.

I'll get my coat.

Date: 2009/01/30 03:32:03, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (BWE @ Jan. 30 2009,03:07)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 29 2009,22:38)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 29 2009,21:41)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 29 2009,21:23)
oh yeah and i missed you too story.  thought about you while i was making mudslides and digging a latrine.  you know why.

You know, some of us would appreciate you two taking the pillowtalk to PM.

carlson don't push me to posting your PMs.  especially the one with your home video of the goat on a ladder and you wearing the statue of liberty outfit.

jesus rass, everyones's already got that one. Hey, have you seen the one with the feather boa and the epoxy?

{sniff} ah it's just like the old times.  All we need now is an RTH tardalogue.  And another LOlcat, you just can't have too many LOLcats.

Date: 2009/01/30 04:48:49, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 30 2009,04:38)

P.S. Was that ok for you Huw? Marks out of 10? I thought I'd use comic sans because all the cool kids are doing it, and I presume it is the font of mockery based on what I have read.

Actually that was pretty good, except for "eskimos ew" bit which just wasn't right.  Getting a LOLcat in as well was quite neat.

Date: 2009/01/30 10:12:30, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 30 2009,09:42)
JDog nails it much better.

I guess it's a Chicago thing -- we wouldn't understand.

Much as it pains me, I agree with Arden.  The caveman does it better.

Louis - it wasn't the eskimo reference itself which let you down, it was the "ew" which sounds altogether too pink and fluffy for an allegedly rock-hard rufty-tufty ex-marine, even if he does eat a load of cheesy poofs.

Date: 2009/02/03 08:01:25, Link
Author: huwp
Current odds:

- Fly-by post (no return, no flounce): 10-1
- Intermediate return with flounce: evens
- Full return with flounce: 5-4
- Flounce out (if more than fly-by posting): 500-1 on
- Odds of no flounce, reasoned debate and an acceptance that science need not conflict with religion etc:...

... well I tried ringing William Hill but they just laughed and put the phone down.  I suppose I could look for odds on flying pigs.  Anyone got a Betfair account?

Anyway, I'm getting popcorn just in case.

Date: 2009/02/08 12:32:46, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 07 2009,20:59)
Does it show that I a) watched the opening matches of the 6 Nations today and b) was disappointed by England's dull and dismal (yet winning) performance versus Italy?


First a belated congratulations on impending parenthood - your life will change HUGELY but it's just loads of fun!!!

The England - Italy game was pretty dreadful, the Ireland - France match a cracker and today's Scotland - Wales a decent game.  Next week should be fun.

BTW I liked your expression of evolutionary fitness as being the immediately least bad.

Kristine's percentages tale made me smile too!

Hwyl am y tro.


Date: 2009/02/09 07:57:17, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 08 2009,12:48)
The French team lost it. It's not what it used to be. They've turned manky, just like the French soccer team. Go ahead and make commercials for yogurt and cookies, don't practice, loose...

Bring me back Dominici and Chabal!!!

Chabal was playing on Saturday and looked in fine form.  I do think the Irish were fitter, especially in the last quarter but it was a tremendously exciting game.

I was delighted to see Wales playing well, although again with room for improvement, as always.

England will need to improve a lot for next week's game.  Apparently some of the younger players were spooked by the noise at Twickenham - goodness knows how they'll cope at the Millennium Stadium, especially if the roof's closed!

Date: 2009/02/20 11:15:51, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 20 2009,10:09)
It is totally unfair and a stunning indictment of the American Educational System that you and JLT write better English than me.  Hell even HUWP writes better than me - and he's WELSH!

Seriously - congrats to you - good luck on the edit button - You should PM Wes and/or Lou FCD

Well, let's be honest, it's not that difficult to write better than a caveman and besides, in Wales we have plenty of time to learn to read and write as we're not busy trying to export the Dark Ages to the rest of the World.

It also means that we have time to play some very good rugby as well.

Hwyl am y tro.


Date: 2009/02/23 19:08:18, Link
Author: huwp
Honestly, you take a day off and miss all the fun!

Friday night's game is going to be tough - playing France in Paris is never, ever easy.  However, if we score a few and the crowd turns against les bleus, who knows.

I'm so looking forward to the Ireland match though - should a real belter.

And the cricket season will start soon - hooray.  Someone had better tell the England team though because they don't seem to have noticed!

Oh, and Arden, put a sock in it do, we know rugby is far too rough for your gentle soul.

Da boch.


Date: 2009/02/24 02:11:30, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 23 2009,21:40)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 23 2009,19:12)
Quote (huwp @ Feb. 23 2009,17:08)
Oh, and Arden, put a sock in it do, we know rugby is far too rough for your gentle soul.


<snip image>

Best "HA HA THIS IS YOU:" Evah!

Loath though I am to say anything nice about Arden (after all, no-one else does), you're right.

Date: 2009/02/24 09:04:34, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 24 2009,08:47)
Agnosticism is a somewhat conflated topic. Personally I think it addresses the epistemological question: Can you know? As 'atheism' is a universal negative, logically atheists can't, so they default to agnosticism. Also, most theists, untouched by divine revelation are probably agnostic also. I don't really like agnosticism as a middle ground between theist and atheist.

The term was coined by 'Darwin's Bulldog' hisself:

I neither affirm nor deny the immortality of man. I see no reason for believing it, but, on the other hand, I have no means of disproving it. I have no a priori objections to the doctrine. No man who has to deal daily and hourly with nature can trouble himself about a priori difficulties. Give me such evidence as would justify me in believing in anything else, and I will believe that. Why should I not? It is not half so wonderful as the conservation of force or the indestructibility of matter...
It is no use to talk to me of analogies and probabilities. I know what I mean when I say I believe in the law of the inverse squares, and I will not rest my life and my hopes upon weaker convictions...
That my personality is the surest thing I know may be true. But the attempt to conceive what it is leads me into mere verbal subtleties. I have champed up all that chaff about the ego and the non-ego, noumena and phenomena, and all the rest of it, too often not to know that in attempting even to think of these questions, the human intellect flounders at once out of its depth.

But for me the money quote comes from Bertrand Russel:

As a philosopher, if I were speaking to a purely philosophic audience I should say that I ought to describe myself as an Agnostic, because I do not think that there is a conclusive argument by which one can prove that there is not a God.
On the other hand, if I am to convey the right impression to the ordinary man in the street I think I ought to say that I am an Atheist, because when I say that I cannot prove that there is not a God, I ought to add equally that I cannot prove that there are not the Homeric gods.

You see, that is what makes this forum such fun.  "Haha this you" and mother jokes with occasional LOLcats followed by philosophy.  And of course lots of science.

Welcome back Richard, you were missed.

Do we get a welcome back tardologue soon?

Just askin'.

Hwyl fawr.


Date: 2009/02/28 05:12:50, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (steve_h @ Feb. 27 2009,18:34)
Davescot It seems that a significant percentage of the human race just isn’t happy unless they believe there’s some man-made global catastrophe on the way that must be fixed.
I do have a question. How is this relevant to intelligent design?

Put your irony meters in the special lead-lined boxes provided.   Oh, I should have said that before giving you the quote. Sorry.

Now he tells us!

<mutter, mutter another wretched irony meter gone phut, mutter mutter, harrumph>


Date: 2009/02/28 16:46:02, Link
Author: huwp
As we've mentioned rugby a few times here - may I congratulate any French people here on their victory over my beloved Wales on Friday.  It was an excellent game; both teams played well but the right team won on the night.

The Ireland-England game today was dismal but again the better team won.  Honestly, how do England ever expect to win if they keep getting players sin-binned?

It looks as if it may well be a Grand Slam (for Ireland) versus a Triple Crown (for Wales) decider in a few weeks and that game could well be a corker.


Date: 2009/03/02 08:28:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2009,08:11)
<rugby_pundit /on>

I imagine there have been paralympic chess matches with more real action than we saw in Croker last Sat. But BOD deserves some sort of medal, if only to compensate for missing organs etc.

Don't underestimate the fathomless Irish ability to screw up, particularly in Murrayfield. And Wales are going to be [nearly] impossible to beat in front of the home crowd. If only our cruel, inhumane darwinian overlords could conjure up a potato famine or such like to undermine their morale!

And Louis, there's a rule to deal with the situation you describe:

Never Give A Ball To A Forward

Yes - BOD was terrific, pretty well back to his old form I though.  I thought the Irish choked (seen that before) and should have won by many more points.

I always thought we would find it tough in Paris and the comeback by the French was admirable - but then their hallmark of late has been inconsistency.  I still feel Wales are a team in development but are a way away from being the finished article.  We ought to win in Rome and the Ireland game should be a corker.

However - given the 61 years since Ireland last won the Grand Slam and their propensity to choke on the big occasion (which is odd when you think of how much Munster and Leinster have achieved on the big stage) if they win in Cardiff then it'll be an enormous achievement and hats off to them.


Date: 2009/03/02 08:38:57, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 02 2009,05:29)
There is no pissing contest between myself and anyone, including Arden. I'll say this clearly so everyone gets it:


Isn't that what Arden's mother said?

<small voice>

I'm really , really sorry.  I'll get help.  I've kept away from the TARD by mainly reading it second-hand and that's kept me clean, but the incessant knob jokes and "HAHA this is you" jokes and the never ending LOLcats have taken their toll.  I thought I could give up anytime I wanted, I even tried to meditate using the ancient techniques of Llap-goch, but all to no avail. I'll get help, I promise.

Date: 2009/03/03 03:16:17, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Quack @ Mar. 03 2009,02:50)
I get the gist although I have nothing to contribute. But why doesn't Dembski weigh in here? (Substitute your response here.)

Is it because he's frit?

Edited because I just noticed that Louis has just used an "ooh ooh" line elsewhere.  Dammit!

Date: 2009/03/03 03:50:27, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 03 2009,03:33)

Is that like "jackass?"

I think he cannot weigh in because he is a light-weight.

(See? That is keeping with the theme. Words like "frit" confuse people like me).

Whoops - it means "frightened" but also carries overtones of "scaredy-cat".

When you say "lightweight" I just know you don't mean his big jumper because that must contain a serious amount of wool.

Date: 2009/03/04 03:46:12, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (damitall @ Mar. 04 2009,03:10)
Good try, Louis.

But we know you're a posh git, who wouldn't know a pickaxe from a pizzle.

And it's "Ayup"  - from the archaic "ay" - show us; and "upp" - yer tits

Look, it was bad enough seeing Lou in a red dress <shudder> but I don't think any of us want to see Louis' man boobs.

Date: 2009/03/05 15:48:35, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 05 2009,13:36)
FFS! I take a couple of days to relax at an alternate establishment de bloggage and what do I get??? Abuse. Unwarranted, unasked for, undeserved, unintelligent abuse.

Well they are a bunch of louts.  Educated and intelligent and frequently very funny, but they are a bunch of louts.

I mean, you DO ask for it much of the time whereas I tend to keep quiet (after all my degree is in French and Italian unlike all you science types) and I chip in only occasionally.  I'm not even very rude about Arden and EVERYONE is rude about Arden.

But I am Welsh and rather proud it; we may be a very small nation but we have much to be proud about.  So it does stick in my throat a bit when they seek to insult you by calling you Welsh.

All the other insults are fine, however  ;)

Date: 2009/03/05 18:54:16, Link
Author: huwp
Ah LOLcats, is there nothing they can't express?

Nos da pawb.


Date: 2009/03/13 09:45:37, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,08:13)
*Just had a back, sack and crack, so I'm all good for about an hour until it all grows back.

First, this is WAAAAAYYY too much information.

Second, what's more disturbing is that you chose to share it with us here.


Date: 2009/03/16 08:41:04, Link
Author: huwp
Missed all the fun again. Oh well.  This came to mind:

In UD's fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the tard below.

We are the banninated.  Short days ago
We posted, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In UD's fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The tard, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who are banned,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In UD's fields.

With sincere and heartfelt apologies to Major John McCrae.

Date: 2009/03/16 10:15:35, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,11:24)
Quote (huwp @ Mar. 13 2009,15:45)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 13 2009,08:13)
*Just had a back, sack and crack, so I'm all good for about an hour until it all grows back.

First, this is WAAAAAYYY too much information.

Second, what's more disturbing is that you chose to share it with us here.


You mean the photos would be a step too far?


P.S. For the sake of your sanity Huw, I was actually joking.

Of course you were joking Louis old bean!  I mean,  there's NO WAY you could afford the danger money you'd have to pay someone to do the nasty deed.

Date: 2009/03/16 10:23:29, Link
Author: huwp
With all the talk of kids growing up quickly, I swear mine were only born the other day - now they're 23 and 21 and I have people working for me who are younger than them.

Has anyone quoted that bit from   Lost in Translation yet?
Bob: It gets a whole lot more complicated when you have kids.
Charlotte: It's scary.
Bob: The most terrifying day of your life is the day the first one is born.
Charlotte: Nobody ever tells you that.
Bob: Your life, as you know it... is gone. Never to return. But they learn how to walk, and they learn how to talk... and you want to be with them. And they turn out to be the most delightful people you will ever meet in your life.

This is so true.


PS Oh and well done to England yesterday - good result and a good game.  Not such a good game in Rome, although next week's match against the Irish should be a cracker.

Date: 2009/03/16 12:06:42, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 16 2009,11:22)
Quote (huwp @ Mar. 16 2009,18:23)
With all the talk of kids growing up quickly, I swear mine were only born the other day - now they're 23 and 21 and I have people working for me who are younger than them.

Has anyone quoted that bit from   Lost in Translation yet?
Bob: It gets a whole lot more complicated when you have kids.
Charlotte: It's scary.
Bob: The most terrifying day of your life is the day the first one is born.
Charlotte: Nobody ever tells you that.
Bob: Your life, as you know it... is gone. Never to return. But they learn how to walk, and they learn how to talk... and you want to be with them. And they turn out to be the most delightful people you will ever meet in your life.

This is so true.


PS Oh and well done to England yesterday - good result and a good game.  Not such a good game in Rome, although next week's match against the Irish should be a cracker.

So the point of that story is you get away from them, go to another country and meet a girl less than half your age with great tits?


Well I hadn't thought of it in those terms before, but now you come to mention it, why the Hell not?

Date: 2009/03/16 12:18:44, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (JLT @ Mar. 16 2009,10:23)
He should call himself IGNoramus.


Surely that's not a coincidence.

I agree - Poe.

Date: 2009/03/18 04:56:23, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Mar. 17 2009,20:35)
And this is for all the Welsh!

Da iawn!

Diolch yn fawr am eich linky.

Hwyl am y tro.


Date: 2009/03/18 05:43:31, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 17 2009,18:35)
ETA: Which god btw? Zeus?


Actually, he answered that one some time go.  Apparently it's "the real one".

Which makes me wonder how he knows it's the real one; I suppose he just knows.

I've always found this rather odd - generally people do seem to believe in the God of the family they were born into (although people clearly do convert to other religions) and they never really question why it is that they had the good fortune to be born into that particular belief.  I suppose they were simply chosen.

This seems to me to be somewhat arrogant.

Anyway, I've always had a bit of a problem with the whole God is Love thing and that the only way to Heaven is through the Saviour Jebus.  Basically, if you were born before He was born, or were born in some location the missionaries hadn't got to yet, then you're going to Hell when you die.  No argument, doesn't matter what you've done in your life, you're going to spend the rest of eternity in damnation.

It just doesn't seem very loving to me.

Date: 2009/03/18 06:11:01, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (GCUGreyArea @ Mar. 18 2009,06:03)
It is, and always was, a translation error.  It should be 'Jesus shaves' and was an attempt in biblical times to improve hygiene by reducing the bushiness of beards.

Oh.  I see now.  Silly me.

Hang on a minute - that would be Jesus trims wouldn't it?  Are you pulling my leg?

Date: 2009/03/18 08:38:11, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 18 2009,06:21)
It must be Jesus Raves.

Have you been reading too much Battlepope again?

Date: 2009/03/18 17:15:00, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 18 2009,16:38)
It's hard to wipe a Hugh Jass.

*braces for Tarden /Louis / Carlson  onslaught*

For goodness sake, don't encourage them, you know what they're like.  One moment they're all sciency and brainy and the next it's "harhar this is you", LOLcats, knob jokes and references to each other's mothers.

Date: 2009/03/23 12:05:21, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 23 2009,11:06)
Not a great game of rugby but oh my designer what a match! As Spike Milligan put it, 'Not a dry seat in the house'.

I really feel sorry for Steve Jones, it was a heartbreaking finish for him, but in fairness it was a kick even he could respectably miss. If he had got it over, there would be 32 pieces of Paddy Wallace's body on display in 32 counties now, with one in particular nailed to a flag-pole in Limerick (this is not uncommon there, apparently).

I think it was a 6-Nations won and lost by coaches. Kidney maintained the form, morale, and psychology consistently, Gatland wobbled, Hadden was a lost cause, Johnson only began to get to grips when England had blown their chances, and who the feck knows what Lievremont was doing? And poor old Mallet was reduced to experimenting with putting forwards into the backs. On their day, France, England or Wales could have thrashed Ireland, but there was nobody there to push the right buttons or make the right selections.

Which, by default, proves ID, as ane fule kno.

There were some terrible games in the tournament but there were some scorchers too.

Yes, fair play to Ireland and well done on a deserved Grand Slam and victory on Saturday - much as I would have loved to see my beloved Wales win, chiz, chiz, chiz.

Overall Ireland were simply more consistent.  France, Wales and England were all terribly inconsistent at times.  Scotland occasionally played well and Italy were pretty consistently awful, unfortunately.

It would be really, really good if the Lions play to their full ability in South Africa later this year.

Date: 2009/04/06 07:26:24, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (J-Dog @ April 03 2009,12:57)

Evidently they are thinking of replacing you...

Please go and yell at them in Welsh...

'In a laboratory at Aberystwyth University, Wales, a scientist called Adam is doing some experiments. He is trying to find the genes responsible for producing some important enzymes in yeast, and he is going about it in a very familiar way. Based on existing knowledge, Adam is coming up with new hypotheses and designing experiments to test them. He carries them out, records and evaluates the results, and comes up with new questions. All of this is part and parcel of a typical scientist's life but there is one important difference that sets Adam apart - he's a robot. '

from SciBlogs

HUWP - Can Haz Replacement

er what? Whassup?

There I was dozing quietly when all of a sudden I've got a caveman shouting at me.

<goes off to look at link>

Cool - and it just goes to show something that the ID just don't get: dyfal donc a dyrr y garreg.

Oh, and I know I'm bit behind with all this but... Bacon lube!!!  Even as an April Fool it's eeeewwwww!  I expect Arden likes it though and I don't think Louis was joking when he said he had some on order.

Date: 2009/04/09 03:51:41, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Jkrebs @ April 08 2009,20:42)
iskim labmildew - it's been a long time since I've seen that name.  Hi iskim.

So subtlety isn't his forte then?

Not exactly difficult, was it?

Date: 2009/04/17 04:11:36, Link
Author: huwp
Hey Louis, just so as you know, over at the Uncommonly Dense thread they're saying that dress makes you look fat.

Now I know why you and Lou FCD have never been seen together.


Date: 2009/04/19 03:43:54, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 18 2009,08:22)
Quote (Louis @ April 17 2009,05:17)
Quote (huwp @ April 17 2009,10:11)
Hey Louis, just so as you know, over at the Uncommonly Dense thread they're saying that dress makes you look fat.

Now I know why you and Lou FCD have never been seen together.


Critique on looks from UD is like critique on race relations from Hitler. Pay them no mind.

I assure you Lou and I are different. For starters, those shoes with that dress? Never!


and I have a better ass.

Davescot clearly thought so.

No wait...

Date: 2009/04/21 16:34:57, Link
Author: huwp
Penblwydd Hapus!

No really, that many consonants yet it still means Happy Birthday. Even if it is late.


Date: 2009/05/02 04:30:34, Link
Author: huwp
Late again.  Story of my life <mutter mutter>

Happy birthday Lou.

Hwyl fawr.


Date: 2009/05/12 07:32:32, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ May 12 2009,04:47)
I have suggested an AtBC London meet up at an upcoming Skeptics in the Pub if anyone is interested. I've never managed to meet a real life AtBCer (due to a Fear of Clowns Professors, or work commitments, you choose), so this could be interesting. Especially considering that I am a 7 foot tall black feminist liberation pimp who time travelled from '70s Chicago to have crazy adventures with a brothel full of crime-fighting ninja/pirate ex-hookers and a wide array of recreational pharmaceuticals.

Hmmm, some of that might not be true.


I'd be up for a London meeting even though:

a) I am not a scientist so I wouldn't get any of the oh-so-funny chemistry jokes that Louis likes to think are amusing.
b) I can't do next week as I've got some time off and won't be near the centre of London.

It would be very good to meet some other AtBCers, even if I do mainly lurk.

Anyway, everyone knows Louis is really 5'1" tall, wears socks with sandals and second-hand pullovers which reek of Woodbines  :p


Date: 2009/05/12 09:03:57, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ May 12 2009,07:55)
ETA: *Are we still engaging in nationalist banter? The Lions start in a couple of weeks, aren't we all meant to be friends until the South Africans are beaten? If a truce is being called, I apologise, please hold this gratuitous piece of jingoistic abuse over until the middle of July.

Nah, it's fine.  Looking forward to the Lions tour hugely even though I suspect the boks will win.

Anyway, I've just remembered why you should never make jokes about chemists - you just get a rude retort.

Boom ching, veal, waiter, here all week, yada yada.


Date: 2009/05/12 09:20:41, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (khan @ May 11 2009,10:41)
CRACKED discovers Conservapedia


I'm not sure whether to thank you or not; I've certainly learned something but I'm not sure if it's good or bad.  Even so, makes more sense than UD...

Date: 2009/12/11 08:48:30, Link
Author: huwp
<disengaging lurk mode>

How very nice to see Kylie get a mention here.

Anyway, I'm sure you all know this, but you're never ever, ever, ever going to convince Robert that he might possibly be mistaken because he knows the Truth.  He knows it's the true Truth because he says so.

Still, Better the Devil You Know, especially On a Night Like This, even if it is a bit Slow.


I'm going to re-lurk now... 3-2-1...

<engaging lurk mode>

Date: 2010/03/03 05:05:19, Link
Author: huwp
Arden is a proper linguist and so would undoubtedly be able to answer your question in a proper linguistic fashion.

Unlike you boffin sciency types, my degree is in French and Italian so I might be able to help.  Possibly, perhaps, maybe.

However, as the AFDave assertion about Portuguese being a mixture of French and Spanish was one of the funniest things ever seen on this board (although bearing in mind much of the "humour" involves LOLcats and "your mother" jokes, there isn't a lot of competition) I know you don't really want an answer to that.

So, I think you just want Arden back so you can get down and dirty with some proper man-lovin'.

Jus' sayin' is all.


Date: 2010/03/24 08:47:47, Link
Author: huwp
I've missed the occasional forays into Mornington Crescent here.  Some of the play is awfully good, although by no means all.

Sort of like the girl with a curl on her forehead.

Back to lurking.

Hwyl fawr.


Date: 2010/03/25 08:37:40, Link
Author: huwp
I know I'm late to this and I know that Louis said that you're using Stovold, but Stovold is often supplemented by Armitage these days - which of course means no Nid.

So, is this game Stovold (pure) or as amended by Armitage?

Oh well, I suppose it doesn't matter, I just HATE ending up in Nid.

If I'm not too late to play:

Covent Garden.

Date: 2010/03/25 09:44:41, Link
Author: huwp
Oh rats.
I hate spending time in Knid almost as much as I hate spending time in Nid.*

* There, see what I did there?

Date: 2010/03/25 12:33:13, Link
Author: huwp
Oh well, if Louis' opened up the Masonic pathway then it seems a shame not to use it.

I know it may be seen as radical in the everso stuffy corridors of bah-humbuggery inhabited by Louis, Tom and fnxtr where only Stovold will do (which is roughly equivalent to the King James Version only movement) but the advent of the DLR has added an extra dimension to this game.

So thanks to the Masonic reference of the double pillars of the old Naval College (now University) of Greenwich, I get to leave Knid and outflank the lot of you.

Cutty Sark.


Date: 2010/03/25 12:41:01, Link
Author: huwp
Oh wait, is huffing allowed?

Date: 2010/03/26 06:44:49, Link
Author: huwp
Is this still the same game or have we started again?

In between the blithering (and there's an awful lot of that) there's some quite nice play here.

Oh bugger it, I'm going to assume it's the same game.


Date: 2010/04/14 07:39:37, Link
Author: huwp
No, I'm sorry, but "Lords" just isn't a valid move.  Possibly "St.John's Wood" or "Westminster" but not "Lords".

I've consulted Stovold's on this and it's just not allowed, not even under the (later) Mortimer Variations or even the Armitage guidelines.

You'll just have to miss a turn or throw a double six.



Date: 2010/04/16 08:19:28, Link
Author: huwp
I think I'm still stuck at Fairlop because of volcanic ash.

I'm too late, aren't I?

Oh well...

... I shall never look at a tube map in the same way ever again.

Date: 2010/04/23 06:46:59, Link
Author: huwp
FWIW  I thought Bill Bryson's book was interesting and well written and, I suspect, well researched too.  He loves the English language and that's a terribly good starting point.

The "imply" and "infer" confusion is very irritating as is "disinterested" for "uninterested".  They mean different things and if we lose that difference then it diminishes the language.

I do love the way English can be very precise; I once tried to explain to a class of Italian students the difference between "glance" and "glimpse" both of which, I was told, were covered by the word "occhiata" meaning "a short sight of something".

Much as I love English, and French for that matter, I think my heart belongs to Italian.  And Welsh, of course.


Date: 2010/09/23 04:25:32, Link
Author: huwp
Goodness me, that last game went on for ages.  I hope you don't mind but I've de-lurked to have a crack at this one - I just had to, given the somewhat insipid openings you've all gone for.

I mean to say, after the bravado and tenacity of the last game I expected something, well, a little more inspired.

Oh well. <deep sigh>.

Covent Garden.

Date: 2010/09/24 04:56:32, Link
Author: huwp
"Cunningly Woven Web"... Queen's Park?  An oxymoron surely, even allowing for alliteration.

And then Moorlane.

Are diagonals allowed then?

Such diversions from Stovold's are surely very, very unorthodox.

Never mind, "lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entate" and all that.

Marble Arch.


Date: 2011/06/02 06:18:32, Link
Author: huwp
Quote (Louis @ June 02 2011,04:55)
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Quote (Ftk @ June 01 2011,15:15)
Congrats on the awesomeness of your physique...I'm all about staying healthy.  Im still willing to take the chance of wrestling and getting my ass kicked though.  Give me a chance to train a bit first though.  How old are you?

Could you take this offline and get a room?

I believe Rich has a fully-equipped one he might lend you, if Louis and Arden's mum have finished with it.

Gimme a minute with some beach and a hose. She'll be fine.


As I'm sure many here will attest, "some beach" means something different to my friends to the south than it does across the pond, Louis.

I think I meant "bleach".

Although frankly I could have meant anything.



You know, it's rather nice to come back here after a while - still the same old jokes about Louis and Arden's Mum.  In fact anyone's Mum.

Still no sign of Lenny though... what happened to his Pizza delivery boy anyway?

I see people are STILL saying that Louis is Welsh (I hope they're not confusing him with Louis Walsh, who's Irish) when, frankly, Louis could only dream of being Welsh*.

And there hasn't been a decent game of Mornington Crescent for ages.

Hwyl fawr (and other Welsh salutations)


*Outraged protests in 3-2-1.....