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Date: 2008/03/24 18:42:26, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 24 2008,17:40)
Dave struts his stuff as only he can:

 
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This doesn’t bode well for Myers’ upcoming tenure review. If enough of his peers start viewing him as a liability to science and the University of Minnesota then they’ll give him the bum’s rush just as quick as they did Guilliermo Gonzalez. And PZ Myers’, unlike Guilliermo Gonzalez, has no impeccable publication record to fall back on in protest so it won’t be difficult or unseeming for the tenure committee to give him a thumbs down.

This is very, very bad for us. If PZ Myers didn’t exist we’d have to invent him. Myers does more to give Darwinists a bad name than any man alive. If he’s denied tenure we might be forced to put together a “Save the Myers” foundation to solicit donations to keep his blog alive.


PZ has been tenured for 5 years.

 
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My power is more immense than you can possibly imagine, since I just leapt into my time machine and retroactively gave myself tenure five years ago. My critics better worry. I don't use my powers for anything as crude as killing their grandfather before he had children...instead, I'll go back and sleep with their mother 9 months before they were born.
That'll send chills down their spines.
Posted by: PZ Myers | March 24, 2008 5:55 PM


ERRRRRRRNNNNNT. Thanks for playing, Dave, and please accept our home game.

That's hilarious.  Not the first time he's been made to look foolish.

Date: 2008/03/24 18:47:11, Link
Author: godsilove
PZ's retort is hilarious.  I wonder how many of these r-tards who attack him have actually met PZ in person.  He seems like a great guy with a good sense of humor.

Date: 2008/03/26 16:16:22, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 26 2008,13:22)
That's why I'm not worried about the whole "any publicity is good for Expelled" argument. Their publicity has peaked, and peaked too soon.

As for the film itself, it's so bad because it's vacuous. It's almost not there. Also, did you know this about Sternberg?
 
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In a November, 2005 National Public Radio report on the affair Sternberg stated "I'm not an evangelical, I'm not a fundamentalist, I'm not a young earth creationist, I'm not a theistic evolutionist". Sternberg said McVay "related to me, 'the Smithsonian Institution's reaction to your publishing the Meyer article was far worse than you imagined'." Barbara Bradley Hagerty, NPR's religion reporter, said Sternberg himself believes intelligent design is "fatally flawed."[33]

Of all the notorious Intelligent Design "martyrs", the only one I have a bit of sympathy for is Sternberg.  I think that there was a conflict of interest, but that he was truthful about having the paper reviewed by other scientists.  A lot of bad papers make it through the peer review process - Meyer's paper was an example of that.  Not simply because it mentioned his design hypothesis without any positive evidence, but primarily because he tried to bite off more than he could chew.  

I think Sternberg was simply had the erroneous opinion that the paper would foster healthy debate and therefore science could gain something by it.  The problem of course is that the "design hypothesis" is a science-stopper as Neil DeGrasse Tyson says.  If the Cambrian explosion is considered to be due to Go...an "Intelligent Agent's" intervention then there would be no reason to investigate further.  I suspect Sternberg doesn't realize just how fatally flawed the idea is.

Date: 2008/04/01 03:30:38, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Quidam @ Mar. 26 2008,23:50)

XXXpelled?

Date: 2008/04/04 16:20:41, Link
Author: godsilove
Mike Huckabee plugs Expelled.  I'm SHOCKED!

http://vbuttons.com/ec/8683/index.php?em_id=13156243

Date: 2008/04/06 11:27:27, Link
Author: godsilove
Dave Scot's hypocrisy and fascist attitude speaks for itself.  If UD allowed actual debate on their blog comments, their misinformation and propaganda would be exposed for what it is.

Date: 2008/04/07 22:49:16, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ April 07 2008,13:48)
JohnW: I understand your skepticism re: Weikart. I was skeptical when I picked up the book as well. And Weikart, himself, was skeptical when he started down the road to researching the topic. And in no way does he draw a direct line from Darwin to Hitler or say that Darwinian science was the defining influence on Hitler's ethics. Hitler's influences are complicated and difficult to trace, but there's no doubt that Darwinian science was a significant factor. Just where or how he imbibed these ideas is still not quite clear. The book is well researched and well substantiated by quotes from original sources as well as other scholarly works on the topic. This is not a shrill tome that's bent on proving Wiekart's thesis no matter what. I do believe it is a fair and balanced treatment of the evidence.

Kevin, I think the key issue is why you decided to put the Reductio ad Hitlerum in Expelled, to begin with.  It's clear that a variety of different influences, including Nietzsche and Luther, contributed to Nazism.  Does the film mention them?  Remember, you're marketing this film to schoolchildren as well.  Don't you think the way the film handles the issue gives the false impression that Darwin was responsible for Hitler?  

What is it meant to accomplish?  Even IF Darwin was responsible for Hitler, an appeal to consequences is a fallacious way to try to disprove something.  If good science is the ultimate goal of the film (and I really doubt that it is), then the film is giving viewers a terrible science lesson.

Date: 2008/04/07 22:59:19, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 07 2008,13:54)
The evidence is in the ID books, at least judging by the number of sneery "you've obviously not read Edge, read it and come back" comments at UD lately.

Heh...I got banned from UD for criticizing some guy's arguments that he got from Behe's book, without having read it (the book).  I didn't see why that should have prevented me from responding when IDiots borrow arguments from it, especially when the argument was essentially sophistry.

Date: 2008/04/08 04:52:58, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (didymos @ April 08 2008,02:24)
Quote (godsilove @ April 07 2008,20:49)
It's clear that a variety of different influences, including Nietzsche and Luther, contributed to Nazism.

A bit unfair to Nietzsche.  The Nazis certainly used  Nietzsche, but they never really followed his actual philosophy, just borrowed the bits that sounded good to them.  A lot of his association with Nazism is due to his sister Elisabeth, who married a fanatical anti-semite and ran off with him to Paraguay to found a a pure, Aryan German colony.  It didn't work out too well for them. Nietzsche himself was not at all fond of anti-semitism or the  brand of belligerent nationalism Hitler subscribed to, and he loathed his brother-in-law.  After Nietzsche died, Elisabeth basically quote-mined her brother's fragments and notes, including altering and reordering the texts as "editor" and published it as The Will To Power.  She eventually became an enthusiastic supporter of the NSDAP and both used and allowed to be used her brother's reputation to promote the Nazi cause.

Nietzsche's real views on the Jewish people were very un-Nazi indeed.  For example, in Beyond Good and Evil, one finds this:
 
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The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest and purest race at present living in Europe; they know how to prevail even under the worst conditions (better even than under favourable ones), by means of virtues which one would like to stamp as vices - thanks above all to a resolute faith which does not need to be ashamed before `modem ideas.'; they change, when they change, only in the way in which the Russian Empire makes its conquests - an empire that has time and is not of yesterday -: namely, according to the principle `as slowly as possible'! A thinker who has the future of Europe on his conscience will, in all the designs he makes for this future, take the Jews into account as he will take the Russians, as the immediately surest and most probable factors in the great game and struggle of forces. That which is called a `nation' in Europe today and is actually more of a res facto than nata (indeed sometimes positively resembles a res ficta et picta -) is in any case something growing, young, easily disruptable, not yet a race, let alone such an aere perennius as the Jewish type is: these `nations' should certainly avoid all hot-headed rivalry and hostility very carefully! That the Jews could, if they wanted - or if they were compelled, as the anti-Semites seem to want - even now predominate, indeed quite literally rule over Europe, is certain; that they are not planning and working towards that is equally certain.


Certainly an idiosyncratic viewpoint, but one of little use to someone like Hitler.

Agreed...Nietzsche is still to this day a very misunderstood philosopher, and his ideas were misappropriated by Hitler.  Hitler was simply wrong about a lot of things.

Date: 2008/04/10 01:08:43, Link
Author: godsilove
How did ERV get a hold of XVIVO's cease-and-desist letter?

Date: 2008/04/10 02:22:18, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (stevestory @ April 10 2008,01:52)
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The Seed science blogger John M. Lynch (of "Stranger Fruit") has reported receiving an email (to himself and several others) stating that the screening he was to attend had been moved one hour earlier.[124] He later received an email (to himself and five others)[125] stating that the RSVP screening he was set to attend had been canceled. One of the other individuals to receive this email phoned the theater, which revealed that the screening was set to go ahead anyway.[125] He attended, and found that his name was no longer on the guest list, but after some negotiation (presenting his confirmation email and stating he was not representing any organization) he was allowed to view the movie. Lynch proposes a guest pre-screening process was set up in response to the Myers and Dawkins incident, and uses this as evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Kevin, producing a misleading movie, lying to your interviewees, stealing XVIVO's work, and then lying to John Lynch about it...Kevin, when you do these things, it makes the baby Jesus cry.

(But it makes us laugh, so please keep it up!)

To be fair, Kevin isn't responsible for all those things.  He's just the screenwriter.

Date: 2008/04/10 20:06:42, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (ck1 @ April 10 2008,19:08)
I noticed UD has a thread on ERVs.  I am a virologist and I have been working on ERVs for 30+ years, so I sent in 3 comments to answer questions that came up.  Only one of those comments has appeared.

All of my comments were focused on science -- no commentary, no insults.  Links to papers.

Was I wasting my time?

Are scientists not welcome at UD?

All new posters are in moderation, but if you praise Dembski you can get taken off it and all your posts will show up.  But then when you start posting some science or anything factual, they might put you back in moderation for your "denialism".

Date: 2008/04/12 16:12:56, Link
Author: godsilove
Am I misunderstanding what "Intellectual Property" means?

[QUOTE="Dense O'Leary"]
Lots of things can be owned, but not ideas.
[/QUOTE]
http://post-darwinist.blogspot.com/2008....vs.html

Date: 2008/04/12 17:51:51, Link
Author: godsilove
Does anybody know more about this Maciej Giertych guy, who was interviewed by Ben Stein for Expelled?

I was reading his profile on Wikipedia, and came across this:
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In February 2007, Giertych sparked outrage among European Union officials and Jewish organizations by publishing a brochure called "Civilizations at war in Europe" that claimed that Jews "are bilogically different" and "create their own ghettos" because they supposedly prefer to separate themselves from others.[3]. Many journalists and certain Jewish organizations considered the brochure to be anti-Semitic. During the European Parliament's session on 14 March 2007, Parliament's President [4] Hans-Gert Pöttering reprimanded Maciej Giertych for the content of his pamphlet in accordance with Rule 147 of the EP's Rules of Procedure. He said that the publication was "a serious breach of fundamental rights and, in particular, the dignity of human beings to which our institution so strongly adheres". Mr Pöttering dissociated the Parliament from the work saying that it had made no financial contribution to its publication. Several members of the Parliament have joined with the European Jewish Congress in calling for an investigation of the publishing of the pamphlet and whether Parliament funds were involved.


Now if it's true that a creationist said Jews are biologically different, then doesn't that negate the notion that Darwinism was a necessary condition for the Holocaust?

Date: 2008/04/15 21:49:59, Link
Author: godsilove
Young Earth Creationism is poisonous to rational thought.  More specifically, the notion that a ancient compilation of texts with several syncretic elements is absolutely infallible and the will of a divine being is an absurd, baseless belief.  It promotes anti-intellectualism and distrust of scientists from various fields, and is the reason why a large proportion of the American public is scientifically illiterate.  Breaking free from the shackles of biblical literalism requires skepticism and rationality, something the notion of faith is antithetical too.

Date: 2008/04/16 14:49:34, Link
Author: godsilove
Yet another Expelled animation, in which the Kinesin molecule is different from the Frankenstein version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Abz0t_yf4&feature=related

Date: 2008/04/18 00:48:51, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 18 2008,00:42)
Sal takes aim at foot...
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By the way, here is another episode where the one-time grad student Casey Luskin was “outed” by PT-mafioso Wesley Elsberry. Elsberry was intent on making trouble for Luskin, and pulled a lowly stunt when he came to speak at Casey’s class.
See:
No comparison to Celeste Biever.
PT-mafiosos have been coming to our IDEA meetings in 2006. That was creepy!!! I have sinced cancelled publicly advertised meetings and call the meetings privately.

Big Science is suppressing ID with the weapon of debate.  Oh noes!!

Date: 2008/04/18 01:29:34, Link
Author: godsilove
Josh Friedman of the LA Times believes it will exceed forecasts:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-projector18apr18,1,4982009.story

Date: 2008/04/18 02:16:47, Link
Author: godsilove
Some veritable photoshop geniuses in this thread.  Keep up the great work!

Date: 2008/04/18 02:24:38, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 18 2008,02:15)
Quote (godsilove @ April 17 2008,22:48)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 18 2008,00:42)
Sal takes aim at foot...    
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By the way, here is another episode where the one-time grad student Casey Luskin was “outed” by PT-mafioso Wesley Elsberry. Elsberry was intent on making trouble for Luskin, and pulled a lowly stunt when he came to speak at Casey’s class.
See:
No comparison to Celeste Biever.
PT-mafiosos have been coming to our IDEA meetings in 2006. That was creepy!!! I have sinced cancelled publicly advertised meetings and call the meetings privately.

Big Science is suppressing ID with the weapon of debate.  Oh noes!!

What fucking shits.

When Jonathan Wells gave a talk at UC San Diego back in 2001, I, and a lot of the people who later became the Panda's Thumb crew, prepared a handout we delivered to people at the door.  There was Wesley, Matt, and I.  Wes was taking pictures.  Casey fuckwit was working the door.  I gave him a copy of the handout.  He freaked.  He wanted to know who Nick Matzke was. Nick had been posting a lot at the DiskoTute website, ARN, and had written the bulk of the handout we were using that night.  I told Luskin that I thought Nick was a graduate student at UC Santa Barbara.  The next day Casey was "outing" Nick as some major achievement.

I never had bought into the internet anonymity bit, but I did feel bad that I had let Casey "bust" Nick.  My 'handle' Dr.GH has always been easily penetrated with just a few clicks.

For Casey to piss and moan about Wes is the grossest hypocrisy.  While I expect very little from Casey, he still managed to disappoint me.

Dr. GH - I'd just like to say that you, along with the rest of the folks at TO and PT are doing a great service to science education.  I think it's unfortunate that so many scientists are in their ivory towers, so it's absolutely vital that scientists such as yourself take the time to address the spurious claims of the creationist movement.  By the way, have you also posted on CARM?

Date: 2008/04/18 16:17:17, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 18 2008,12:13)
Since this is Expelled! day, I thought it only fitting to memorialize those expelled from UD:
cdesignproponentsists
Xcdesignproponentsists

I was attempting to have a civil and "rational discourse" with the ID guys, but got banned.  Comrade Dave's excuse was that I was attacking Behe's ideas without having read his book.  ???

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....plexity

Date: 2008/04/18 20:52:14, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 18 2008,20:40)
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/04/discovery_salutes_expelled.html

"Ben Stein's unique and uproarious humor" says Casey.

"Hearing and seeing Richard Dawkins criticize the disingenuous and propagandistic approach of the National Center for Science Education"

What's that about?

Date: 2008/04/18 20:54:05, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Casey Luskin @ April 18 2008,20:02)
Dear all,

I could say much in defense of myself here, but this is neither the time nor the appropriate venue to do so.  In this regard, I have one, and only one post to make, and one, and only one thing to say: I forgive you all for how you have treated me here, and most of all I forgive Wesley Elsberry and Steve Story.

Sincerely,

Casey Luskin

Victim!

Date: 2008/04/18 22:05:53, Link
Author: godsilove
Expelled Drinking Game:

http://bruinskeptics.org/2008/04/18/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed/

Date: 2008/04/18 22:07:33, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (silverspoon @ April 18 2008,21:57)
I guesstamate it’ll take in about $1.5 mill this weekend from what I saw tonight. It’ll be out of theaters by the end of this coming week. That puts it well under the $6 to $12 mill I’ve seen they were shooting for this weekend.

Some parts of the country will do better than others.  Salvador and DaveScot of UD said their theatres had at least 60 people.

Date: 2008/04/19 16:56:41, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Annyday @ April 19 2008,16:53)
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 19 2008,16:01)
About 160,857 people across the land are now slightly more ignorant than they were on Thursday.

The real question is how many bought it.

From the blog posts I've read of people who've seen the movie, a large proportion of them seem to rather credulous.

Big Gadget has a lot of work to do.  We're tracking down their IP addresses and will send over the Thought Police pronto.

Date: 2008/04/20 07:09:11, Link
Author: godsilove
Anybody know any lightbulb jokes?

Date: 2008/04/21 11:56:52, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 21 2008,10:24)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 21 2008,10:19)
Quote (Louis @ April 21 2008,08:15)
Emigrate? To somewhere where it doesn't rain all the time? Are you quite stark raving mad? We got it right you know. Send all those criminals and religious fruitcakes to wide open lands with good surf, beautiful mountains and wonderful sunny weather. We'll stay here on this cramped, rainy island and.......

HA HA THIS IS YOU. :angry:

By far the greatest team,
the world has ever seen...

Oh, yeah?  When was the last time you won the league?

Date: 2008/04/28 14:25:32, Link
Author: godsilove
Pffft.  Dawkins with his pants down would be a better sight than Ben Stein in shorts.

Date: 2008/04/28 23:40:41, Link
Author: godsilove
Quote (ERV @ April 28 2008,17:40)
Blogspot ERV is back thanks to Mark at 'Good Math, Bad Math'.

And I mean thanks to Mark.

My blog got flagged as 'spam' and Google just deleted it.

(I vented to poor Mark) Im like, when the hell were they planning on telling *me* that?  Its BLOGGER.  Run by GOOGLE.  Who also runs GMAIL.  Like my GMAIL account I used to register at BLOGGER.  Why the hell couldnt they email my bluesky account and be like 'Dude, you a bot?'  Or maybe even click on my goddamn blog and be like 'Oh! This isnt spam.  She posts and has active commenters.'

WTF.

Thank you thank you thank you Mark, but so long and thanks for all the fish, Blogger.

Maybe Premise Media or Behe flagged the blog as spam.

Date: 2008/04/29 22:06:11, Link
Author: godsilove
Ben Stein at it again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PFrGCkU0D4&

Date: 2008/05/03 04:05:36, Link
Author: godsilove
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (William Wallace @ May 03 2008,03:28)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 03 2008,03:12)

Do you often speak about yourself in the 3rd person? :)

William, you said
   
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As for the propaganda piece “Judgment Day“, I concur.

link

What makes that propaganda and expelled a documentary? What's the difference? What side they are on?


Judgment day was outstanding propaganda.  The biggest problem is the use of the footage from Inherit the wind, and the second biggest problem is lack of critical analysis of Judge Jones and his plagiarism of the ACLU.  I am not clear on why normally bright individuals become blinded when they see a film that supports their point of view.

Hi, I was just reading your blog.

In it you write, "Following Jesus is the only way out of it. Everything else leads to destruction."

It's a bensteinian statement.

Date: 2008/05/03 04:30:12, Link
Author: godsilove
Uh-oh...the creationists are being suppressed on their own blog.

Date: 2008/05/07 05:51:51, Link
Author: godsilove
Did anybody notice that Dumbski mentions A Case for a Creator as an "ID DVD"?

Date: 2008/06/04 06:51:40, Link
Author: godsilove
Guess who just got published:

http://www.plosone.org/article....0002246

Date: 2008/07/08 18:12:34, Link
Author: godsilove
If for argument's sake, the entire universe is created by MagicMan, how does Paul Nelson propose to identify design when everything is "designed"?

 

 

 

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