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Date: 2007/06/10 03:37:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Ftk @ June 10 2007,00:56)
I've considered this same issue several times in the must accept Darwinism to be true to make these assertions.  Isn't that what you accuse creationists of doing?  Starting with a conclusion and making the evidence fit?


The TOE predicts we will find transitional forms in the fossil record. They will necessarily be scarce due to a combination of the relatively minuscule period of time in which they lived and their morphologies saddling a diverging pair of lineages.

You are not assuming the validity of the TOE by predicting transitionals, the existence of transitionals helps confirm the theory.

The predictive elements of a theory do not render them tautologies, they are a simple IF/THEN function. IF the theory of evolution is correct THEN we should find transitional forms. There's no need to accept the truth of evolution to investigate one of its predictions any more than there is a necessity to believe in the "theory of flammable petrol" prior to testing it by throwing a lit match into it.

Once we're past this non-hurdle, the next apparent stumbling block is what exactly constitutes a transitional form. The quick and easy answer is a morphology that shares distinct traits of two separate lineages, however you'll be hard pressed to find a creationist concede this....assuming you get an answer at all. The creationist will invariably look at a sequence of fossils C-E-G-I-K-M and highlight the gaps. "But where's the link between E and G?". When examples of fossil "F" are found the creationist tactic is to either move on to other gaps or highlight the ever shrinking distances between E, F and G. But this is old news.....

Creationism can make no such predictions. Other than invoking the terrifyingly scientific field known as the "Whim of God" creationism cannot begin to explain the similarity between organisms past and present.


Date: 2008/08/07 06:00:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 07 2008,05:04)
Anyway, no death before we sinned? Did pre-fall Eden residents eat? Did they digest their food? How did they do this without gut bacteria? Which, unless they died, would have grown to a sufficiently large population to pop Adam and Eve like over filled E. coli balloons pricked with a pin after a few days (at a first timescale guess).

I prescribe little less bible and a lot more biology.


It's an argument much under-used, sadly.

Didn't some bloke in the 19th Century argue that if horse ownership grew at the then current rate we would all be buried under horsey poo by now? Same with the whole garden of Eden thing.....swamped under microbes and bugs and critters and anything else with a bonkers replication rate.....yay for Eve.

Date: 2009/01/25 07:40:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quick question....

For better or worse i've become addicted to the Uncommonly Dense juggernaughts.....Is there anyway to download the complete threads in one chunk so I can browse offline at my leisure?


Date: 2009/11/24 09:16:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Sounds like typical Presuppositional legerdemain.

Blame Cornelius Van Til.....a Calvinist.

Like Heddle.

But CVT is dead.

Unlike Heddle.

So blame Heddle.

Who isn't dead.

But is one year closer.

Happy Birthday Heddle.

From an F1 fan.


Date: 2010/05/14 22:36:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
"This is yet another example of the rationalism that underwrites evolutionary thought and has infected science."

That is fucking beautiful.

Date: 2010/06/04 00:49:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (sparc @ June 03 2010,22:05)
I wonder what Behe and Dembski would say if they read this thread.

"Tard is never an addendum to I.D. but always a completion".

Date: 2010/06/12 17:24:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
Dunno if it's been mentioned elsewhere at AE......

Steve Matheson (of the Anti-Tard "Quintescence of Dust" blog) is this week's guest on the Skeptic's Guide podcast.

Date: 2010/06/28 03:08:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Interesting to note that nowhere in G.K.Chesterton's book "Eugenics and Other Evils" is Charles Darwin ever mentioned. Not even once.

Clearly, Mr.Chesterton was in fear of being Sternberged....

Date: 2010/07/28 02:41:47, Link
Author: Woodbine

All of the information currently on this site is derived from the peer reviewed Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington published at the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington D.C.

A sort of Sternberg fansite, then.

Please folks, don't start commenting there....let it die like the rest of them.

Date: 2010/07/29 18:01:36, Link
Author: Woodbine
I've got an old astronomy book with 9 planets. Clearly my childhood was ruined.


Date: 2010/08/06 20:26:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (bfish @ Aug. 06 2010,20:10)
Quote (Quack @ Aug. 06 2010,04:44)
WTF, evolution in Canada? Canada?

RDH Barrett a.o.: Rapid evolution of cold tolerance in stickleback,  The Proceedings of the Royal Society B  (Aug. 4. 2010)

Yeah, but they're still cold.



Date: 2010/09/08 07:33:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
When future intellectual historians list the books that toppled Darwin's theory, The Design of Life will be at the top....Michael Behe

Well if anyone's an expert on piles of books, it's Behe.
With 98 book reviews on, it's a safe bet that thousands more readers have read DoL online.

Well if anyone's an expert on safe bets it's......

They write themselves.

Date: 2010/11/18 10:04:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Dembski - Self-Organizing Matter = Evolution.

What a turd.

Date: 2010/12/07 01:21:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (KCdgw @ Dec. 06 2010,11:00)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 06 2010,09:41)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 06 2010,08:52)
Does he have a blog? Get him over here, the tool.

Yes.  And here is a sample.

You have to love Ilion's high opinion of his reasoning ability. Oh yes, you see, one of his faults is that he's  too logical.

For a quick, illuminating look at his prowess in reasoning,  I suggest this ARN thread.

If anyone has any doubts about Ilion's calibre one need only note his forum signature...

Darwin's idea was clever in his day,when people didn’t know much about how things work-

Date: 2010/12/10 00:33:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
StephenB get's called on it....

StephenB,I’m very close to agreeing with you, but I think you go too far. By your criteria, any of the following (if they lead to male climax) would be evil even if practiced by a husband and wife:

*oral sex
*anal sex
*mutual masturbation
*use of a condom
*use of birth control pills

I’m sure I’ve left something out.

I’m sorry, but that is just nuts. It certainly doesn’t derive from any natural law.

And promptly shifts the burden....

What is the basis for your judgment? All Christian Churches without exception agreed that all these acts......blah  blah  blah

StephenB is vile.

Date: 2010/12/10 14:06:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
StephenB in action!!!

Date: 2010/12/13 02:06:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Artificially generating a new human life in a Petri dish in a laboratory is an ugly, mechanical, inhuman act, which divorces the act of love from the procreation of new life. That’s no way to make a baby.

Puts that whole virgin birth thing into perspective.

Date: 2010/12/15 07:00:10, Link
Author: Woodbine

I am also a scientist and educator. there!

Date: 2010/12/16 06:44:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
It's ISCID v.2.

The editorial team is a who's who of ID.

Date: 2010/12/17 15:50:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Uncommonly Denyse....
I wrote the index for the book, and can testify to its breadth and usefulness.


Date: 2010/12/20 16:55:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Even if one didn't know just what an utter cretin Joe-G is you could nevertheless read this sentence in isolation....
It also looks like Professor Scotty received another education- at one time he did not know that spiders have a femur until I told him and now he knows that ticks also like watermelon.

....and safely conclude the author is, how to put this delicately, 'slow'.

Or 7yrs old.

Date: 2010/12/22 13:56:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
Negative evidence for what "Darwinian" processes can or cannot do is never going to become positive evidence for something else.

They know that.

We know that.

Their demographic on the other hand....

Date: 2011/01/23 12:43:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just heard this on the Non-Prophets podcast.

Apparently the Foundation for Thought and Ethics (of Pandas and People fame) have submitted their intention to offer educational materials for review in Texas. Here's a link...

But that's not all!

We all remember FTE from Doverloo and later, don't we? Jon Buell's apocalyptic begging for money to publish Design of Life at FTE's website etc, etc. But wait, what's this?!!


Well, it was news to me.....(mutters under breath....)

Date: 2011/02/14 08:33:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Can any deep-cover sock persuade Gil to record said event?

Date: 2011/02/18 11:58:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 18 2011,16:34)
What they would point out is that ants use simple rules and communicate through the use of trail scents to optimize complex pathing problems.

Simple rules which have no doubt been 'smuggled' into the colony!!

Date: 2011/02/20 00:34:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just let the place all the rest of 'em.

Date: 2011/02/20 17:51:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 20 2011,23:37)
OK, I have to admit my ignorance and will someone tell me what the heck the "FCD" stands for.


I have too few posts to even think of inquiring directly.

Date: 2011/02/22 01:20:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
It does rather beg the question of what a Joe-G baby is born of....


Date: 2011/02/22 16:17:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
From Bilbo's blog....

Not only am I an Intelligent Design proponent, but I'm also a 9/11 Truther.


Date: 2011/02/22 16:38:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 22 2011,21:35)
EvoTards are having such a difficult time with information I hd to find out why. So I disguised myself by going to a local library and setting up an account from which I could start posting on forums as an die-hard atheistic evolutionist.

I bet he went in with a little moustache and everything....


Date: 2011/02/23 16:44:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Meh....let the creepy bastard hear the crickets chirping. Not unlike Mullings over at UD theres something satisfying about IDiots penning page after page of drivel and attracting zero response for their efforts.

Date: 2011/02/24 05:53:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
I wonder if he was wearing his Harley-Davidson windbreaker?

Date: 2011/02/25 21:32:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
How long will this last?

Date: 2011/02/27 06:42:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
'how2debateevolution' (a pseudonym i'm fairly certain) is only young if his website is any indication.

I was actually this close to offering him a few pointers in logic and what-not....but I figured it would be like selling kitchen timers to Iraq.

Date: 2011/03/05 15:47:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
They were only 2D webs and from what I can see in the book there wasn't much flexibility in the initial conditions; i'd be surprised if any 'sports' came close to the efficiency of the regular webs. If the program was geared up for 3D webs (and if PCs were fast enough back then) then I reckon we'd have seen quite a few optimal yet 'non-natural' solutions.

Here's a link to Krink and Volrath's paper using NetSpinner-3

NetSpinner PDF

Date: 2011/03/12 00:20:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Guess the book isn't selling too well.

Date: 2011/03/14 01:34:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
God bless you Mr Dodgen…and thank you for all the wonderful work you do to help shine a light on this issue!!

OK, 'fess up, which one of you is Blue_Savannah?

Date: 2011/03/15 20:17:53, Link
Author: Woodbine

You do realize that to stop ID all you have to do is produce positive evidence for your side. Yet you don't. I say that is because you can't.

Is Joe-Tard still denying he's ID Guy?

Date: 2011/03/18 09:50:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
Kamov FTW!

Date: 2011/03/19 15:01:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Behe: We could test our theory by trying to grow a flagellum in the lab.

Rothschild: Have you tried this?

Behe: LOL.

Date: 2011/03/21 04:02:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Yeah, Gil's on the edge of doing something....frilly(?). Each new post sounds increasingly paranoid and desperate.

I think there may be a case for including the term 'transparent' into the Dodgenator's lexical criteria. He does love using that word.

Date: 2011/03/24 20:21:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Could we be on for a Friday meltdown? Praise be. It's like the opening scenes from 2001 over there.

Date: 2011/03/25 21:08:08, Link
Author: Woodbine

Hell is where other people go when they die. Jews, Atheists, Muslims, Homos. Especially Homos.

Date: 2011/04/06 19:59:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (lkeithlu @ April 07 2011,01:00)
Quote (olegt @ April 06 2011,18:53)
Watch ID heads assplode.

Assplode? I don't wanna assplode!

Jayne Cobb, FireFly


(strictly speaking)

Date: 2011/04/09 21:20:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Did Gil really just include the 'Darwinian mechanism' in the 'hard' sciences?

Shome mishtake surely?

EDIT: I just threw Dembski's 'Taliban' prediction into O'Hahaha's face-palm of a post. We'll see if it gets past moderation.
EDIT 2: I see you scamps beat me to it....grrr.

Date: 2011/04/09 23:09:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gil's frilly sentences are hard to parse, but I see something like this:  

It’s based on
the hard sciences of
[1] information theory,
[2] computation, [and]
[3] probabilistic mathematics,

and [on] the limits of

[1] chemical reactions,
[2] stochastic processes, and
[3] the Darwinian mechanism to produce what we see in nature — in particular, information-rich systems with the requisite hardware and software.

Something like that.

That makes sense.

Trouble with Gil's posts is that you skip over the vast majority of the content due to it being nothing more than the previous year's content recycled. And, so, when a grammatical gorilla runs across the court you're none the wiser.

Date: 2011/04/10 13:23:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Seversky @ April 10 2011,18:23)
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 10 2011,12:02)
Darth Vader's TIE fighter:


Starship Enterprise

  \ ! /
   ( )


Date: 2011/04/15 04:29:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Alan Fox, please, please, please let ARN die? It's almost done; stop poking!

Date: 2011/04/22 09:56:08, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (utidjian @ April 22 2011,15:40)
Which one is Nurse Ratched?



Date: 2011/04/25 21:01:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Denise O'Leary headline prediction.....
Synthese editors bow to Darwinist pressure!

Date: 2011/04/27 07:44:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
I knew that post of John Paul looked familiar.....

And for bonus lulz.....
That is what the "Ghost Hunter"'s do- they try to debunk a claim by running it through those defenses- they use observation, electronic surveillance, thermo imaging, and EMF tracking to gather the data and evidence, put that together with their observations, and then try to explain every piece of the pie via easily explainable natural processes.

If and only if those options have run out, and some recognizable pattern exists (specification) do they attribute some phenomenon to a "ghost".


Date: 2011/04/29 00:42:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
“The job of apologetics is to clear the ground,to clear obstacles that prevent people from coming to the knowledge of Christ,” Dembski said. “And if there’s anything that I think has blocked the growth of Christ [and] the free reign of the Spirit and people accepting the Scripture and Jesus Christ, it is the Darwinian naturalistic view…. It’s important that we understand the world. God has created it; Jesus is incarnate in the world.”

I thought Dembski was a Baptist?

If there's anything blocking the growth of Christ it's God.

Unless Darwinism has 'Anti-Grace' shields....


Date: 2011/04/29 00:53:08, Link
Author: Woodbine
Also, where it says....
(see here for this hilarious story) seems to be missing an embedded link or something.

I'm guessing it has something to do with Jello.

Date: 2011/05/03 10:41:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
In 4011 they'll be banging on about L.Ron Hubbard.

Plus ca change....

Date: 2011/05/20 13:05:40, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2011/05/20 22:47:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
See, the thing my kid has access to that most don't is the information that negates the extrapolations of the theory.  :)  "Good for him"...

Date: 2011/05/30 09:33:17, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2011/06/14 15:07:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Word Salad of TKI.....
g –> It further documents a pattern of irrationality: making a self-refuting epistemological claim on the begetter of knowledge, confusing a question-begging censoring a priori imposition of materialistically redefined science for a self evident truth about the world and accessing truth about it, imposition of a censoring a priori.

Date: 2011/06/15 07:29:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
. . . words fail me . . .


Date: 2011/06/15 18:17:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Flipping channels for a moment to JAD-tv.....
To give all my hundreds of readers some idea of what we are up against, I just discovered that all Bank of England 10 pound notes bear the image of Charles Darwin autographed by Richard Dawkins. No wonder Myers, Dawkins and Elsberry ignore us. After all, they have the British Government behind them. All we have is the testimony of the experimental laboratory and the entire fossil record.

Date: 2011/06/19 17:50:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (lkeithlu @ June 19 2011,22:39)
...and it was left unchallenged. Now, I see, I can't even log into ID. Have they changed their format?

No, they're still twats.

Date: 2011/06/21 12:46:10, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2011/06/25 14:03:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
And I can hardly conceive of a group of Christians gleefully plotting to gain control of the rights so they could publish their own annotated version of the book.

Can't you? Let us help you....

Here's Ray 'Banana' Comfort repackaging Darwin's Origin complete with special introduction....

And here's our good friend William Dembski announcing the imminent release of Alfred Russell Wallace's World of Life, re-titled to appeal to the IDiots and encumbered with similar introduction and foreword.

(Kevin, for comic relief read Dembski's first comment! For reasons best left to his troubled soul Dembski seems to have a fetish for collecting domains with names relevant to intelligent design or evolution and then bragging about it. He even, during his pasting by Hitchens, brought up the fact he owned some such website as though this was supposed to impress anyone....he is disturbed. Unsurprisingly if one follows that link it's as dead as an intelligently designed dodo.)

Kevin according to you this is nothing more than....
a pathetic form of behavior fear-based behavior

....or does it depend on who's doing it?

Kevin, what is your analysis of someone who makes a film that exploits the holocaust in order to demonize the scientific community because they happen to reject totally the non-theory of intelligent design?

Someone like that must be a real sad fucker, eh?

Date: 2011/06/29 18:51:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just to give a sense of how far up his own backside Gordon Mullings lives, take a brief wander through his 'Transformational Leadership Seminar' blog.

It appears to be an action plan for re-Christianizing the West Indies in these dark days and Gordon is the man with the plan. And what a typically Mullings affair it is! Page upon page of soul destroying, bureaucratic, power-pointed dreck that Gordo revels in.

I wonder what kind of response he's got so far....


Date: 2011/06/29 19:28:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Then please let it die!

Don't succumb to temptation!

Every time someone posts at one of the moribund ID venues William Dembski sends a kitten to Todd Bentley. You don't want that on your conscience.

Date: 2011/07/02 01:22:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
The correct answer is: NIL, save that they can be used as implicit hostages to threaten or harass, or even intimidate.

As opposed to explicit hostages.

Or even fuzzy hostages.


Date: 2011/07/02 07:45:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
Jane Goodall.

(Tards in the Mist).

Date: 2011/07/02 08:30:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just testing....

Date: 2011/07/06 01:16:28, Link
Author: Woodbine

Regrettably, no; as they thrive on attention and prolonging the distraction at the expense of attending to a deadly serious issue. Contact me through my always linked, and I will consider a new post; spammers, I will be ruthless, it is your side that tripped the nuke threshold by threatening innocent people. I am even restraining myself from a truly hot expose link on radical agendas.

Oooohhh, this could rival Buster Friendly's expose! Any tard-miners fancy prodding the paranoid twit? It's for science n'all.

Date: 2011/07/07 16:14:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Mung's just another ARN evacuee (like Joe G and Ilion) who have yet to accept the party is long over; and are just now realising the only other people left to dance with are cretins like Gil, Gordo, Batsh^t and StephenB.

That's got to be soul destroying.

I expect to see some Telic Thoughts flotsam drift into UD soon ( provided it's left know who you are.... :angry:)

Date: 2011/07/08 09:34:30, Link
Author: Woodbine

(OK that 7 minutes thing is probably a tad optimistic)

Date: 2011/07/23 14:49:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Yep, it's only a matter of time.

I fully expect Salvador Corwegotfuckedindova to emerge from whatever damp rock he lives under and spew forth his interpretation of events.

Date: 2011/07/25 00:15:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Same here. Using Chrome....
Quote contains content from, a site known to distribute malware.

Date: 2011/07/25 11:14:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

....not in a position to successfully resist is the heart of rape.

Just like 'Grace', then.

BTW, FTK your avatar is triggering all sorts of malware warnings.

Date: 2011/07/29 10:21:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (k.e.. @ July 29 2011,15:13)
*xsth*  911 hello

yes I want to report a case of darwinism.

OK what is your location?

I'm downtown Corpus CXhristi

OK can you give me a street corner?

I'm here with at Bill's BBQ

uh huh ........would that be Billl Dembski's BBQ


Tell that useless cunt he owes me bottle of single malt *click*


Date: 2011/07/31 05:55:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Someone has to post that Phillip Johnson stuff over there. I just tried but there was no indication it went through. I think I've been quietly banninated.

Date: 2011/08/02 01:21:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 02 2011,05:20)
BTW, is anybody here currently really following UD? I am not.

UD, as entertainment, died with DaveTard's departure. With no 'Grand Buffoon' running things and with no Friday meltdowns any more from Dembski the place has become, inevitably, a pulpit for ever more lunatic preaching. Which is amusing for a while, it's just that you can get those things easily elsewhere on the interwebs.

I really want to watch UD wither and die; following in the footsteps of ARN, Telic Thoughts, ISCID, Overwhelming Evidence....

I wish we could extract Febble, Allen McNeil and anyone else attempting to communicate with the wretches over there. Without any opposing views UD should soon dry up.

If only people could show some restraint and leave it alone*.

* I'm guilty of the occasional prod, I admit. But then my posts never get through.... ???

Date: 2011/08/05 12:53:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Ah, but they are allowed to be 'righteously angry', you see. So said Clive (Hi!) a while back. Or was it Bary Aaringten, I forget.

Date: 2011/08/07 09:35:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
I've grabbed a screenshot....just waiting for the edited version... :D

Date: 2011/08/12 09:41:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
If you’re an ID opponent or skeptic, can you name some explanations for life and the cosmos that you would regard as even more irrational than Intelligent Design?/ (e.g. Everything popped into existence out of absolutely nothing;the future created the past.... .....

What, like the effects of sin travelling backwards in time to cause bad stuff to happen to dinosaurs?

Yeah, that is pretty irrational.


Date: 2011/08/21 06:02:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Is it particular to religious converts that they feel the need to retell their 'journey' at every opportunity? Or is it confined to the narcissistic twits like Gil?

Nobody here believes a word he says about his pre-Christian 'militant' atheism and I suspect these immutable mantras serve to erect a kind of pre-larval 'Anti-Dodgen'; a pantomime version of his former self that helps focus his energies and provide justification for his new stance.

Date: 2011/08/24 07:26:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 24 2011,12:13)
My dad (now 91) was a flier who applied for training as a combat pilot but was found to be color blind.

Not sure if this is true or not but I was told that during WW1 they would send colour-blind chaps up in the two-seaters as observers. Allegedly their colour-blindness allowed them to easily pick out camouflaged units.

Date: 2011/08/30 03:04:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
She only started calling it 'legacy media' when she realised she couldn't get a decent gig outside blogging.

Date: 2011/08/30 03:11:58, Link
Author: Woodbine

ID advocates are held to an extraordinarily high standard of perfection. One false step and we are told that we have lost our minds, are anti-science, ignorant, or want to impose a theocracy. However, Darwinists are the ones who have lost their minds, are anti-science, ignorant, and want to impose an anti-theocracy.

Damn you anti-theocracists!


Date: 2011/09/01 10:14:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 01 2011,14:54)
Actually, I don't know of any place in the Bible where it says it's infallible or the word of God.

There are words attributed to god  spoken by people, but no self-authentication of the text itself.

Apologists of a presuppositional flavour (generally protestant) get around that problem by simply asserting the Bible is 'self-authenticating'.

Easy, eh?

Date: 2011/09/06 12:26:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Well I learned something today. For as long as I can remember I had been pronouncing Gil with a soft G but now I discover it's short for Gilbert.

Gilbert Dodgen.

Someone really ought to tell him the Universe is taking the piss out of him. The only other Gil I am aware of is Gil Gerard (Buck Rogers). And so without further excuse here's a picture of the lovely Wilma Deering.

(snatched from believe it or not)

Date: 2011/09/14 07:06:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Dembski has calved more 'journals' than papers, near enough.

Date: 2011/10/04 16:20:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
We 'Holotards' have yet to show how the Nazis, operating freely, could kill so many Jews.

Date: 2011/10/05 14:41:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
....found a strong link between utilitarian responses to these dilemmas (e.g., approving the killing of an innocent person to save the others) and personality styles that were psychopathic,...

Ergo, God is a psycopath.

Date: 2011/10/06 01:12:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
De'News is trying to hawk a pair of German Christian philosophy books as 'ID friendly'.

If you follow the first book link you will reach its page. Hey! Let's have a peek inside shall we....?

Why it's Dr.Dr.Dembski!

Mind you, though. He must be green with envy; check out this cat!

That's Dr.Dr.Dr.Dr. Schirrmacher to you, peasants!

Date: 2011/10/06 03:55:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
A quick Google for Pacific Western University coughed up this....

...and a subsequent paste into Google maps offered this somewhat underwhelming sight....

'A' marks the spot. Not much there.

Date: 2011/10/07 17:50:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Is there any way to extract Febble from UD? Does anyone have her ear?

Reason I ask is that looking at the front page it's become obvious that UD is increasingly spamming their site with absolutely anything they can in order to appear relevant; the "illusion of affairs" to steal a phrase from Conrad.

Most of these 'articles' attract zero comments, the only ones that seem to do so are the ones in which Febble engages the Tard. If she would only let them be we could watch UD sink further into obscurity.

We've seen what happens when the inmates have no one to condescend to; they start eating their own. Febble (and socks) are interfering with nature's course in not letting UD consume itself and die.

I know it's tempting. And as much as i've enjoyed this monument to tard over the years I'd really like to watch UD wither and die.

Just me?

Date: 2011/10/09 07:08:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Utterly shameless....

Date: 2011/10/10 02:30:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
They've stopped pretending now.

"Science is dominated by celebrity poseurs, social engineers, and hucksters."


EDIT: Thanks Quack!

Date: 2011/10/12 05:40:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Reasons to be cheerful. Mullings has just laid a giant two-page post at UD with the catchy title...
ID Foundations, 8: Switcheroo — the error of asserting without adequate observational evidence that the design of life (from OOL on) is achievable by small, chance- driven, success- reinforced increments of complexity leading to the iconic tree of life.

The best part of course is that nobody at all is going to bother reading all that dreck. Lewontin spotters are in for a treat, though.

Date: 2011/10/13 21:58:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Tom Ames @ Oct. 14 2011,00:23)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 13 2011,15:08)
Radical Decentralization Pt III

"The first thing I will focus on is money. Money is a social technology, but its current technological sophistication is still in the dark ages, despite the fact that computers rather than abacuses now count it. I’m going to propose a radically decentralized, information-based form of money that owes nothing to the state. Stay tuned."

Is he talking about Bitcoin? It would be just like him to get in on that pyramid scheme.

Oh please be so!

Date: 2011/10/16 11:35:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Currently, the top three 'articles' at UD are attacks against the ASA. Fuelled, no doubt, by Carol 'crocker' Shit's desire to elevate her AITSE to the position of the 'One True ID-Friendly Science Shoppe'; and ably supported by Dembski's whining.

Nothing much to look at but it's nevertheless fun to watch ID (and all who sail in her) scrabbling around the theological hinterlands, looking for a foothold.

Date: 2011/10/22 14:33:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
I too wish Elizabeth would leave them alone; but it's not my place to interfere with other people's fun.

As for a better tard source? Well I was going to suggest this little hole of insanity....

Camping Tards

Unfortunately the real crazies have flown the nest and after two non-Raptures the place is suffering a kind of heat death. Still if you cast a few searches back to around May 21st you can find some real doozies.

Date: 2011/10/22 17:25:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Re: previous post, some people just can't let go.....

Dear oh dear....

BradN, you're ridiculous. and so are your false charity Christian brethren who hypocritically seek only blood.

Again, I do not know why Oct 21 appears to have failed, but my REST and HOPE is still in the Lord.

We are living in very interesting days, the fulfillment of the Bible itself.

The Rapture will occur in only a BLINK of an Eye so God can bring about the Rapture at the very last moment.

I wish I knew why God tarried on Oct 21 but perhaps others are correct that the Rapture will take place tonight, or even tomorrow, Sunday.

But even if nothing happens tonight, or tomorrow, the Lord is still my strength. Everything I learned I still hold to because they are the TRUTH!

Like I said, we are living in very interesting times.

May the Lord's perfect will be done!

Praise Jehovah my SHIELD and my LORD!

Pr 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

I trust in the WORD OF GOD! The year 2011 is a special year because it is the LAST YEAR!

-7000 years from Noah's Flood!

-1978 years from 33AD. 2x989. Jesus said, I will drink of this cup anew with you. This will occur in the year 2011.

Mt 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Mr 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Lu 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

-7x7x7x7 years from 391BC

I'm reading the OT and no WONDER God says, FEAR NOT, repeatedly!

Ex 14:13 And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will shew to you to day: for the Egyptians whom ye have seen to day, ye shall see them again no more for ever.

Isa 51:7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.
8 For the moth shall eat them up like a garment, and the worm shall eat them like wool: but my righteousness shall be for ever, and my salvation from generation to generation.

This is talking about RIGHT NOW!

Indeed, the unsaved will be eaten up ! But the righteous will live FOREVER MORE!

I will lean upon my LORD AND SAVIOR! JEHOVAH GOD!

Praise the Lord!

Date: 2011/10/22 20:07:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (khan @ Oct. 22 2011,23:58)
Are they taking into account the shift from the Julian to the Gregorian Calendar?

Right about now the only thing they aren't taking into account is their gullibility.

Date: 2011/10/22 20:20:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Is this Batsh^t77?

That cut 'n' paste link-fest above seems awfully familiar.

Date: 2011/10/23 09:26:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 23 2011,06:09)
UD must be seriously slacking off... three posters who don't agree and they are the first three?

It's unheard of...

It's Sunday.

Wait till UD's Praetardian guard collectively stagger back from church and sees what's going on....



Batsh^t77, not yet being trusted to enter the house of God, has nevertheless vomited his longest post in living memory.

Date: 2011/10/24 22:27:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just one last rapture update if I may again impose on this august thread.

Here's a link to a 'Special Message' from one of the preachers peddling Harold Camping's numerology.

MP3 Direct Link - R-Click, Save as

It's a rambling mess to be sure but if you do listen you'll notice that there isn't the slightest hint that Mr. Brown even considers that they may have erred in their calculations.

I post it not to scoff (well maybe a bit) but as an historical record of the thoughts of someone who actually believed the end of the world was going to happen on October 21st.

As events like this are relatively rare I thought it may be of interest to some.

Date: 2011/10/25 10:37:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
You have to admit that only Uncommonly Dense would be so jaw-droppingly, barrel-scrapingly dumb as to claim the NCSE are playing the race card...
Because, given evidence-based developments in evolution studies that don’t confirm Darwin, it’s all they’ve got left, really?

And then in the next fucking sentence go on to play the race card...
But then Darwin himself was a racist, unlike Wallace.


Date: 2011/10/26 16:35:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
She's seriously gone, hasn't she?

It is good to see UD become nothing more than a link farm. Anything to drum up interest.

(In spite of Nick Matze and Febble's missionary work  :angry: )

Date: 2011/10/28 08:24:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
....intelligent design assumes a universe more than 13 billion years old and a history of life going back more than 3 billion.

And when did this little wedge of real-politik shoulder its way into the big tent?

Date: 2011/10/28 11:15:08, Link
Author: Woodbine
I made the mistake of being sceptical with regards to the details of a news story posted at Pharyngula a few weeks back. It had to do with a series of sexual assaults in a religious community and the method employed was a homemade gas administered at night.

I wasn't the first in the comments section to bring up the similarities to the well known 'Mad Gasser' legends, but the fact that there might be extra dimensions to this story was lost amid the tribal howl....'Another rape apologist!'


P.S. Abbie's fit.

Date: 2011/10/28 11:48:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 28 2011,17:25)
Go on, admit it, you admire her for her mind don't you?

It's a toss up between that and calling Salvador Cordova a 'cottage cheese dripping pussy'.

All these aspects about Abbie compete for my affections.

Date: 2011/10/28 16:15:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Nicely done RtH! (Sock puppets please report to Klinghoffer thread!)

Meanwhile, in a post entitled "Some life forms can be scared to death." Van asks...
so I wonder what the darwinists will claim the selective benefit of this trait is…….hmmmmm

OK, which one of you is Van?

Date: 2011/10/28 22:58:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Speak of the self-obsessed fop and he will surely appear. Guess who just blew his nose at Febble's....
Dear Liz,

Just thought I’d stop by and say hi.

During the years of my youth when I was lost in the dark, depressing depths of atheistic materialism, the piano and classical music were my refuge. From the age of seven my piano teacher was Ruby Bailey, who died tragically in a single-car auto accident. She was like a second mother to me.

Ruby gave me a gift that still blesses me to this day.

You can download some of my piano recordings at:
and I would be happy to mail you a set of CDs if you like.

Date: 2011/10/29 00:15:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
Well I've just downloaded the demo for...

Eternal War: Shadows of Light

...which is advertised on that site. It's only 33mb and from the pics looks nothing more than a Quake/Hexen clone.

I've never played a Christian game before so I'm curious to discover just how much fun a game designed to "...challenge the player spiritually as well as skill-wise without cramming the Bible down their throats." can be.

I'll have a play tomorrow and report my experience/conversion.

Date: 2011/10/29 13:01:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, Eternal War: Shadows of Light was a bust. Couldn't get it to run properly; it started slow and juddered to a halt before I made it out of the first room. It's a game designed in 2003, based on the Quake 1 engine and attempting to run on Win7 64. The odds were always against it.

Ah well, nothing lost. The only hint of Christianity I found in the tiny amount of time spent with it was in the controls page where there is a command for 'Prayer'. In game all this elicited was a message saying 'You are already at full strength' so I'm guessing it pumps up your spiritual fortitude when you're feeling a bit nihilistic or Dodgenesque.

Ho hum, I'm therefore still a heathen; back to the regular schedule.

Date: 2011/10/29 23:39:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
I've actually had a bit of a problem with being alone with a woman in a lift for most of my life.

It probably started when I found I had grown larger than the majority of this other category of creatures known as females, but it is nevertheless the case that I find myself incredibly uncomfortable if I'm alone in a lift with a woman.

And it's because my mind is attempting to divine the woman's impression of me. And so I feel a lot better if I am carrying shopping, on the phone....etc; anything to look 'normal' and un-threatening.

As I've gotten older it's not as acute but it's still there.

Date: 2011/11/01 17:56:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
In a thread in which we throw around the term 'tard' I hesitate to ask, but, is Robert know, actually slow? Ignoring for a moment the YEC drivel he constantly spews the man is barely literate.

In fact biogeography should ot be used as evidence for a theory of biology.
Its not biology research.
Just a line of reasoning which they need to keep up their hunch they are right.
just scoring where critters are does not count for science in biology.
They have no biology science evidence.


Date: 2011/11/01 19:19:29, Link
Author: Woodbine

Joe: Doc, ever since that fridge fell on m....I got wounded in Iraq I haven't been able to sleep with worry. Give it to me straight, Doc, man to man...

Doctor: Well son I'm afraid...

Joe: Yes, Doc?

Doctor: I'm'll never jump up and down again.

Joe: Arghhhhh!!!!

Doctor: It's not that bad, son, at least you have your genetic algorithms to work on.

Date: 2011/11/02 03:42:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Blimey....take a look at Mullings latest dervish-like post at his place.

I'll give you some pointers if you'd understandably rather not visit. Ready? Deep breath.....

Bob Dylan.


Tactical Nukes.

Hal Lindsay.




William Lane Craig.

Turnabout Manipulation.

Amoral cynical heart-numbness.

Leading Intelligent Design blog, Uncommon Descent.

Rom 13:1 – 10.





Let it rip a hole in our hearts, a sobering hole...

Flak 88.


Those who refuse to learn from bitter history, are doomed to repeat it.

9/11 attacks.

Rivers of blood.

Tangential and poisonous distractive talking point.

Mars Hill.

Red herrings, led away to strawmen soaked in vicious ad hominems.

Following red herrings and cheering on the burning of ad hominem soaked strawmen.

For our civilisation.

I trust this will prove helpful.



Date: 2011/11/02 18:25:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
PZ has a new post up.

Predators Among Us

That's an interesting article. Hey, let's check out the comments section and discuss its merits with like-minded folk!

OK, let's not.

Date: 2011/11/03 01:33:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
Anyone read Ubik by Philip K. Dick?

I won't give away the plot but in the story the protagonist, Joe Chip, finds himself in a sort of parallel world which appears to be decaying around him.

I can't help but think that Kairosfocus is trapped in some psychologically equivalent state of mind. No matter where he looks he sees the unfolding collapse of civilization. For instance, responding to the oft quoted quip that any designer worth his salt wouldn't install an "entertainment complex in the middle of a sewer system."

KF laments....
And, why are the reproductive [as in covenant of marriage . . . ] organs viewed as “entertainment” — does that not tell us something very serious about the breakdown of our culture, of family values and structures and stability, etc?


Is there no hope, Gordon? None at all?

Date: 2011/11/03 01:59:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 03 2011,07:35)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 02 2011,22:49)
Charles Darwin once said " We do not know the ancestors of the Vendian faunas well, and like the Cambrian biota it appeared suddenly in a "complete state" .

Where and when did he say this?

I Googled the phrase and I'm shocked, shocked I tell you....

Harun Yahya

Date: 2011/11/03 03:51:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm detecting a pattern.

Thank you for shitting on Mr Pinker.

I’d like nothing better than for you to get a clue and fuck off so far you’re off the planet, you loathsome piece of shit.

Every single time one of you walking turds has to come along, swing your dick over your head, and smear shit in the face of everyone.

He’s a mind fucker who likes the idea of forcing victims to relive it by smearing shit in their face.

He was still being shit upon years later for that.

And besides, how could I appreciate Caine and Sally and some of the better regulars if I suppressed all the shit they’re shitting on?

Date: 2011/11/03 09:06:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Louis, you mentioned taking Pharyngulan quotes out of context; if you're referring to my post then don't look too deeply. My interest was piqued simply by the increasingly scatological direction the comments were taking. It was like hacking into Mark Oaten's Twitter account!

Also, the increased scrutiny isn't the feminist issue per se. It's more the huge ramp up in hysterical tribalism that seems to have broken out at Pharyngula ever since Elevatorgate. (At least that's my perception).

Date: 2011/11/03 22:13:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
I was Fossfur.

I feel a bit hypocritical in that that my usual stance is to leave the place well alone. But then all of a sudden one of my occasional snarky comments that never, ever see the light of day somehow gets through. Well....since I'm in there's no harm in poking around, right? I knew you'd understand. And in my defence I did manage to elicit a 17 point, red-fonted tantrum from KF.

Anyhoo, here's one of the posts from the Caroline 'Crocker' Shit Advertisment that got culled just prior to my termination....

Date: 2011/11/03 23:31:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Odd. Fossfur's posts have been resurrected and now Kellyholmes has suddenly been un-moderated into the lead comment.


ink/]What's going on?[/URL]

ETA: Fixed link.

ETA: OK, the link just won't play nice.

Date: 2011/11/04 07:25:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
6. Be careful when an author makes too much of the scientific qualifications of those involved or disparages those who do not agree his/her views; it may mean their argument is weak.

You tell 'em Caroline!
A word about credentials seems worth bringing up. Richard Wein holds a bachelor's degree in statistics -- that's it.

Oh, William....


Date: 2011/11/04 08:50:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 04 2011,14:40)
I've seen it on every website I've been to... including the 'Freethought' blogs.

I think the format is to blame. Forums for all their faults are infinitely more conducive to rational discussion. Blogs on the other hand are too cramped to encourage nuance, expansion or patience; most are barely one rung above Youtube comments in my experience.

Date: 2011/11/05 05:21:26, Link
Author: Woodbine

NEWS quote:

“When are scientific heretics right and when are they mad? How do you tell the difference between science and pseudoscience?”

This is an easy one. What practical application has been obtained from the research. If it’s the same old assumptions, assertions, speculations, etc or even the hijacking of intelliegent design concepts with evolutionary baggage attached to it, then it’s worthless.

GMO applications are proof of bad science.

Poe/Tard ?

You decide.

Date: 2011/11/05 07:12:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 05 2011,12:15)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 05 2011,04:29)
Most importantly though is that fact that all kinds of dinosaurs are found with soft tissues

Citation please.

Tyrannosaurus Andrex.

Date: 2011/11/05 11:41:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
It’s interesting to me that most people ignore (cannot face?) the most compelling evidence there is that we have been in regular communication with ETs for decades, if not longer, and that is crop circles.

At least have the decency to PM 'Ras.

Date: 2011/11/05 16:00:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
I've had this argument running around my head for a few years, now. I don't know if it's original (unlikely) but at least I don't recall seeing it being made.

You put a man and a woman in a box. Feed and water them and 9 months later you now have a man, woman and a baby.

Now by any version of 'CSI' you want to employ (we'll assume its validity) we discover that the room now contains a bucket load more CSI in it than before. CSI, as we all know is an indicator of intelligent jiggery-pokery. But we know that no 'intelligence' went into the production of that baby. The process was entirely automatic.

So regardless of whether mum, dad and their reproductive equipment were designed, does not the purely mechanical generation of this baby refute in principle the notion that only intelligence causes can account for such a whopping increase in CSI?

Date: 2011/11/05 17:12:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 05 2011,22:57)
If you consider just the genetics of living things, then the information has increased.  Certainly the amount of information in human cells increased.  But is that increase more than the destruction of all the other information in the food?

That's what I was thinking. Sure a whole bunch of food goes into the room but it doesn't touch the genome; it just fuels it.

Extend the experiment to 50 years and there's now a whole gaggle of people milling about, all brought about automatically from the original Adam an Eve.

The scientists are needing new CSI-meters there's that much in there!

Date: 2011/11/05 19:16:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
We're gonna need a bigger boat....

Date: 2011/11/05 19:53:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Poor Denyse....such a frail, humourless flower.
Dealey Plaza? You mean from where Kennedy was assassinated?

Some of us remember that. Goodbye.

Ahh, well.

I bagged a Jonathan Wells while I was there, that's worth at least ten Dembskis, surely?

Date: 2011/11/05 19:55:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Why don't links work anymore?

What's the secret?

ETA: TinyURL is the secret!

Date: 2011/11/05 21:52:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
You fascinate me. Stating the obvious drives people like you into irrational states of apoplectic rage.

This is a bizarre psychological phenomenon, exhibited by Darwinists when the basis of their worldview is challenged with the scientific method they supposed supported it.

"Hey, Single Malt, ever since you lost the ability to reply you've fascinated me....."

"Therefore let's talk about me."
My conclusion is that Darwinists would lose all sense of purpose and meaning in life if their worldview collapsed under the evidence of science. This is very strange, because, if Darwinism is true, there is no purpose or meaning to anything.

I thus find Darwinian materialism to be a self-immolating philosophy. Never mind that it makes no scientific sense.


Date: 2011/11/06 10:43:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
In that interview previously linked to by OM, Caroline 'Crocker' Shit lists some organizations the AITSE are 'friendly' with...      
Discovery Institute and other organizations like American Freedom Alliance, Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity, Probe Ministries, Gateways to Better Education, Family Action PAC, Breakpoint....

Seeing that the AITSE's mission is to....          
...improve science education and encourage scientific integrity. might be worth a brief look at who they are. (The DI needs no introduction).

Here's the  American Freedom Alliance
The Alliance sponsors conferences, publishes opinions, distributes information and creates networking groups to identify threats to Western civilization and to motivate, educate and unite citizens in support of that cause.

So basically the AFA organizes conferences in order to identify the reasons why they attended the conference in the first place. Moving on....

The Physicians and Surgeons for Scientific Integrity. Who wouldn't be in favour of scientific integrity, right? A picture paints a thousand words. Here's their frontpage...

I'm sure everyone's shocked.

Next up it's Gateways to Better Education. Again, a picture should tell you everything you need to know. "Yes, you can spam teachers with our patriotic crap at low, low prices!! LET THE EAGLE SOAAAR!!"

Family Action PAC is very much like the AFA, above however they have a rather narrow mission.
It is the purpose of the PAC to do the following:

To establish a continuing political campaign fund managed and operated in accordance with the terms of its charter and Bylaws and not officially affiliated with any political party, candidate or ballot measure.

So a non-political political fund-raising scheme. Brilliant.

Finally we haveBreakpoint, Chuck Colson's ministry. It's the usual Donate'a'thon.

....and Probe Ministeries. The 'What We Believe' page tells us....
The final authority of our beliefs is the Bible, God's infallible written Word, the sixty-six books of the Old and New Testaments.

So, let's recap.

Caroline Crocker's AITSE is....    
....a consortium of scientists, engineers and physicians working with professionals from other disciplines to improve science education and encourage scientific integrity.

....and so you have to be a little suspicious, Caroline, when of all the organizations you could have allied with in order to 'encourage scientific integrity' you instead went with two Christian ministries, three right wing propaganda mills and Vets and Dentists against Darwin.


Date: 2011/11/06 11:01:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh, this is too funny....
FYI, let’s get something straight off the bat: I am not a liar.

Your accusation there crossed a line.

A very serious line.

And, I know it to be false.

And I think, further, I can fairly challenge you to demonstrate — not assert, imply or assume — dishonesty, smears or lies (not merely errors or points of difference or disagreement, willful calculated deceit) in the online course here.

If you cannot (which I am confident of, since I know my intent in the linked, and the above original post) then you owe a retraction and apology.

Kindly, act within 24 hours from the time-stamp of this post.

Good day, sir.




Date: 2011/11/07 23:43:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Alex Jones, Genecide(sic), Eco-Fascism, those fucking HOMOS!!!, and a couple of 404s to boot.


Date: 2011/11/08 02:48:26, Link
Author: Woodbine

“Give me a single observation of intelligent design and I’ll bring it up with my colleagues at our next happy hour.”

Colleagues ?? You don’t mean those anti-science – pro-secularist ideologue wannabes over at “After the Bar Closes” ??

Hi Eocene!!!


Date: 2011/11/08 06:40:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'll open a new thread for you.

Date: 2011/11/08 06:46:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
This thread is for Southstar/Martina.

She has "some naging questions to which i can't find answers. regarding the mecanics of evolution theory."

Over to you Southstar/Martina.

I, Woodbine, am in no way responsible for how this thread turns out. I just opened it. It's not mine. In fact it has nothing to do with me. Quick look over there - a shiny thing!

Date: 2011/11/08 07:39:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm afraid I can't help you.

Why not post a link to the thread you mentioned? That seems like the best idea.

Date: 2011/11/08 07:50:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
A foreign language is hardly the barrier it once was I'm sure you'll agree.

Please post the link.

Date: 2011/11/08 08:05:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Southstar could you post a link to the Italian forum you mentioned?


Date: 2011/11/08 08:27:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Martina, perché non si collega al forum Italiano?

Siete ritardati?

Date: 2011/11/08 09:38:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Southstar @ Nov. 08 2011,15:24)
Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 08 2011,08:27)
Martina, perché non si collega al forum Italiano?

Siete ritardati?

As I explained,
1) i was drawing from talk origins site
2) i tried looking for an italian site but could find it although I admit I didn't look very hard
3) I'm south African so I think in english, reading technical terms for me is easier in english rather than italian.


Let me explain.

You came into the forum looking very much like a typical Creationist/ID troll.

I did not believe you were who you said you were, hence the attitude. (Itchy trigger finger, you see.)

If you are legitimate you have my apologies.

One question, though; how did you find AtBC?

Date: 2011/11/08 09:50:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
I think 'dispensa' is their version of Batsh^t77.
The Piltdown Chicken: The Archaeopteryx

Which, to be fair, is quite funny .

Date: 2011/11/08 10:14:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 08 2011,16:00)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 07 2011,15:28)
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 05 2011,22:36)
Procreating while locked in a box doesn't strike me as intelligent.


yeah but if you tried it then you'd know what all the fuss was about

Says you. You can be the womb and the breast, m'kay? I'll be the father. ;)

Get out of my box you pervert !



Date: 2011/11/09 11:33:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Extreme cases? Neither of my two socks were extreme and they still got canned. Both times because Denyse just can't understand English, proper like.

Fossfur was believed to have threatened to spam the place - which was utter bollocks; Single_Malt was on the verge of outing Jonathan Wells as the Anti-Christ and they still didn't ban me. It was only when I referenced Dealey Plaza that Denyse's rusty cranial parser slipped yet another cog and went into action.

I'm surprised GinoB is still there, he gets into a ton of feces flinging with the real Tards.

Date: 2011/11/10 14:10:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 10 2011,19:20)
Aliens did contain, it its set design, a continuity error (from film to film) that I still find hard to swallow. Specifically, upon locating and entering their hive, the marines witness bizarre secreted structures that resemble black ribs and bones, a motif in the first film as well. However, in the first film that bizarre motif characterized the construction of the space jockey's craft, not anything the alien had produced. That always went "clunk" for me.

Like you said the obvious reason for the similarity is the influence of Geiger, but I've heard a somewhat retrospective rationale for this.

If you recall in Alien 3, the alien that gestates in the dog emerges looking and behaving very doggy.

Therefore when the alien (or aliens) that used the space jockey (and friends?) as hosts they took on aspects of their characteristics. And so when the aliens secreted their nest it exhibited elements of the space jockey's ship; the ship's design being a reflection of the jockey's nature/culture.

Ta dah!

Date: 2011/11/10 15:55:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Joe-G's ongoing experiments with the English language.
BTW I- we- say Larry, et al.- you included- are wrong about introns- obviously they are functional as they allow for alternative gene splicing- some are even used. And that is just for starters.

Percy Bysse Gallien

Date: 2011/11/13 03:19:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Careful Jammer, don't blow your cover!
It looks like Jello’s the latest Darwinist to have a nervous breakdown due to the continual rise of Intelligent Design. Well done, kairosfocus. You’re a one-man-Darwinist-wrecking-machine.

Date: 2011/11/14 03:44:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 14 2011,09:11)
More Gill:    
My wife and I went through a very long infertility ordeal. We took every test in the book, but never found out the problem.
Then, after a long talk with a more knowlegeable friend: "Oh, that hole."  Problem solved.

A clue, perhaps, from nature.....?


Date: 2011/11/26 22:06:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
I recall Dembski trying something like this.....?

Discovery Tard

Date: 2011/11/29 00:03:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 28 2011,16:52)
Is it fair for me to label anti-evolution movements as largely oral, in contrast to the obvious written legacy of scientific literature? If fair, what could be the consequences of such a dichotomy?

I don't think there's much of a distinction.

Both scientific and religious ideas are usually disseminated via some intermediary 'popularizer'. That might be the press, the pulpit, books, school, friends and relatives etc.

Only an incredibly tiny fraction of ideas are engaged at the source - I suspect the proportion of believers in predestination who've actually read John Calvin is roughly equivalent to those who believe in evolution and have read the Origin.

Date: 2011/12/07 11:57:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Mistah Tard, he dead!


EDIT: Nevermind....must've been a glitch in the matrix.

Date: 2011/12/08 16:53:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
As intelligent design, JoeTard and fall deeper into obscurity we see the inevitable, tragic and amusing consequences. Not content with "Promoting, advancing and defending" religious pseudoscience, the mighty Joe is extending his portfolio with some dietary and planetary claptrap, too.

Ya see, Joe's a fat get who likes eating pizza everyday. And it shows! But praise the designer if there isn't a ready made solution! Just take some gc7x and you can outrun any RPG ever made!

It frees the mind not having to worry about one's weight and so Joe is wont to ruminate on matters heavenly. Such as uber-crackpot Richard C. Hoagland's theory that Phobos is in fact an alien spaceship.

Tardus Magnificus

Date: 2011/12/10 06:48:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 10 2011,07:21)
In fairness, the reason some people think that Phobos might be an alien spacecraft is that its density is about 1.9 g/cc -- a bit less than twice the density of water, and very much less dense than solid rock. Phobos' anomalously low density cries out for an explanation, wouldn't you agree?

Of course.

The point being that when given the option of engaging legitimate science or crackpottery JoeTard inevitably sides with the crackpots. Like this twat*....

* Picture edited for clarity.

Date: 2011/12/10 08:18:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
Onlookers, Mullings.....
ED: Jello has been instructed to remove himself from any and all threads I post at UD, on previous abusive behaviour. I have therefore removed his distractive, off-topic and abusive comment. He apparently cannot resist the temptation to be disruptive.

And here is the offending post....


Also, here is the relevant page at his blog in case it vanishes.

EDIT: Oops, forgot the links.

Date: 2011/12/11 06:40:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
Happily, Mullings is having conniptions.

He is now accusing Dawkins and the whole Gnu Atheists of 'implicit anti-semitism', both at UD and his own inert blog.

So, Dr Dawkins and co, kindly note: the direct implication of these anti-God, anti-Bible arguments, is that they are implicit attacks on Jews and Judaism, not just Christians and Christianity. Those who would make them, need to ask whether they would be willing to explicitly substitute terms directly accusing or challenging Jews, for those that accuse or challenge Christians.

I think the trick with trolling Mullings is in eliciting the greatest amount of textual garbage for the least amount of prodding. And it's a comfort to know he's stuck behind his keyboard vomiting ream upon ream of multicoloured, bullet-pointed shite and not at large in the world. Job done.


Date: 2011/12/11 11:33:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Jello has been banninated.

(I think so anyway, now when I hit 'Post Comment' the message just dissolves quietly into the void.)

Date: 2011/12/11 11:39:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Seversky @ Dec. 11 2011,17:10)
I see DeNews is still harping on about the free will/determinism issue:

Another atheist checks out of no consciousness/no free will

If it hasn't already been done, some one with access to UD should point out to her that the existence of her god would mean that free will does not exist.

Put simply, if her god has knowledge of our future then it already exists (think block universe) since even an omniscient god cannot have knowledge of that which does not exist to be known.  If the future already exists then free will (or at least her naive concept of same) cannot.  We are all like little trains, trundling along to wherever the rails take us.

Tell her she can have her god or she can have free will but she can't have both.

She dropped this little nugget, too....
As a matter of fact, the older one gets, the more likely one is to take some time to make a decision – because all aspects of one’s mind are not reporting at once. Not all decisions are equally easy, or fact-rich.

Anyone want to ask her why an immaterial mind would be  susceptible to the ravages of ageing?


Date: 2011/12/11 17:20:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
After his 'semiotic argument for design' singularly failed to bring down the Darwin at Febble's place, Upright Biped stands firm in UD's crumbling halls....

December 9, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of a symbolic representation. Its the only way information gets transferred.

December 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm
What has happended to the quality of opposition at UD. You use to be able to make comments like those made above in and get a massive response of people wanting to take on the physical issues.

It appears that arguing over religion is more empirically valuable than addressing phyical evidence. That much hasn’t changed.

December 11, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Still no takers?

I’ll check back later. Surely someone has an unused sock.

Hello? anyone out there?

Date: 2011/12/13 06:54:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
OT: They took my gall bladder, yesterday.


But in return they gave me some rather delightful painkillers.



Date: 2011/12/13 09:59:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
No, I was wheeled into surgery at 8:50am and home by 4:00pm. It'll be nice to eat meat again without spending hours writhing around in agony, I've been practically vegan for the last year or so.

Date: 2011/12/16 10:53:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Undoubtedly, he's just gotten kind of blase about submitting things to journals where you often wait two years to get things into print.

Date: 2011/12/16 14:13:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
I was surprised; I had mistakenly and hopefully assumed his recent frail appearance was due in part to a new round of aggressive treatments. Sadly not.

Date: 2011/12/16 15:11:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Fumbling, Inarticulate Obituary Writer Somehow Losing Debate To Christopher Hitchens.



HT: Phil Plait.

Date: 2011/12/17 12:53:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Credit must go to DrREC who has spent the last few days interacting with the inmates over there, and especially for prompting yet more War and Peace sized droppings from the Mullings. Good show!

Date: 2011/12/17 16:47:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Nah, not so much.

There's very little pain left to kill and they wreck my appetite. Great fun though, in a 'hey, let's do nothing but gently respire for the next 5 hours!' kind of way.

Date: 2011/12/18 20:46:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 19 2011,01:54)
Bannated! Excised, even! Did anyone get a screen shot of the "bunker" comment? Dang, I was busy indexin' and missed teh fun.

Here we go....

Was worth it just to see JoeTard's multi-gasm!

Date: 2011/12/19 10:37:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
What's the status of her book, again?  (I don't even remember the name of it.)

...hope[s] to write a book with a physicist about the "God vs. the multiverse" conflict: Is our universe fine-tuned or are there zillions of flopped universes out there, so that it only looks that way. For now, I will just make notes about things that may (or may not) find their way into the book.

Buried deep within Uncommon Descent's white-hot core and with so much intelligent design 'news' to report on, something has to give.

However, on another blog and presumably within minutes of writing the above....

What happened in those fateful minutes that caused Denyse to radically extend her leave of absence? We can never know or care.


Date: 2011/12/19 10:47:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
Also, from ARN's link graveyard....


Date: 2011/12/20 07:11:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Well, lest we forget, it was gpuccio who jeopardised the very fabric of reality by uttering this....

thanks for all your very competent and detailed explanations about CSI.

And this....
Maybe Demski’s theories don’t explain everything, maybe they are sometimes incomplete or evolving, but the objection that many critics express, that his views are rather isolated in the field of information theory, is in my opinion just a demonstration of his greatness... the same post..

If that's not worthy of a death sentence on twelve systems then I don't know what is.


Date: 2011/12/23 22:52:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Anyway, some of us who write for ENV got a laugh this past Wednesday morning when we arrived at the office and someone pointed out that it was the sixth anniversary of the Dover ruling....

To say the least, we at the IDEA Center got a good laugh reading these IDEA Center death certificates fabricated by these highly imaginative internet Darwinists.

So much laughter, so little awareness.

Date: 2011/12/24 22:48:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
I miss those days.

The days when there were no physical, spiritual or fiscal barriers between Dembski's idiocy and his keyboard. The days when his hemispheres were endearingly incommunicado and his ego was given full reign over his common sense.

Unfortunately (and inevitably) he is now safely ensconced in the warm bosom of good ol' Southern Baptist Academia. He really is where he deserves to be.

ETA: Merry Christmas everyone!

Date: 2011/12/25 03:39:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
I googled your quote and found.....
To fall within the bounds of the Baptist Faith & Message, [Paige] Patterson said a professor needs to believe only that there was a time when nothing but God existed, that God created the entire universe as an expression of grace and that He created it for His own purposes and plans. He said any belief in theistic evolution is not within the bounds of Southern Baptists’ confession of faith.

Here's a link to said Baptist Faith and Message.

A sample....
A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation.

Equality = Submission.

Big round of applause for the Protestant faith ladies and gentlemen.....

Date: 2011/12/25 20:04:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Let's see what Dembski has to say to the kids about martyrdom....

But he [Bill] is not bitter....

Now we're really hitting the crazy....

Stop it! Stop it, stop it, stop're killing me!


All these lies and more here.

Date: 2011/12/26 04:13:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
I remember picking among the OE ruins over six months ago and the site was very much dead. It's still accessible via the Wayback machine, if one is so inclined.

And like that (poof) it was gone.

Here are a few relics to examine....mask and gloves, please; this is archaeology.

Reality bites.

Victory in Defeat!

Bringing out the Big Guns.

Date: 2011/12/26 04:53:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Need a laugh? Take a moment to peruse Conservapedia's list of secularized language.


Original                Secular

Abomination          Homosexual/Gay

Bible study            Fundamentalism

Father                   Old man

Heresy                  Scientific theory

Virgin                    Young woman


Date: 2011/12/26 04:59:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
It gets better/worse.

Best New Conservative Words

It has to be a Poe. It has to be.


Date: 2011/12/28 03:32:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
This is potentially comedy gold.

So, JoeTard is draughting a shiny new disclaimer for teachers to read to students in science class.
The disclaimer will tell students that Intelligent Design is not anti-evolution and it will provide the support for that. It will tell students that ID argues only against stochastic processes having sole dominion over evolution. And it will provide a list of resources, as well as questions to ask the biology teachers who push the theory of evolution.

That's going to be a long disclaimer.

And you have to love the "questions to ask the biology teachers who push the theory of evolution" part. I'm sure science teachers will leap at the chance at inviting the students to berate them for adhering to the curriculum.

I was this close to e-mailing the NCSE to ask them just what JoeTard actually said; but I didn't want to waste their time any farther than JoeTard has. Rich (wearing what can only be the most durable of TardMat Suits) has already prodded the fool but JoeTard is being coy....
I have no interest in answering the questions of a proven belligerent fucktard (like you).

So fuck off and wait for the trial, if there is one.

Please God if you really love us you will make this happen.


Date: 2012/01/01 02:18:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Happy New Orbit, everyone!

Date: 2012/01/15 16:33:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
The Discovery Institute (and by that I mean both its fellows and its administrators) has been my best friend these last 15 years.

Poor bastard.
Dawkins, without any real argument (the only thing he offered was his ridiculous METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL example), simply asserted that natural selection had that power.

Word of advice to parents: Don’t just look at the brochures and catalogs that schools send out and don’t just go where the tour guides take you on your campus visit. Look at the course schedule for a semester and see what’s being offered to incoming freshmen. Sit in on some classes. Sit in on highly publicized lectures. Look at bulletin boards and see what campus groups are prominent (is it the local Intervarsity chapter of the local LGBT caucus?).

That's right parents, watch out for HOMOS!
Go to the campus bookstore and see what texts students are reading. Go to the student center, eat in the cafeteria, and get a sense of the campus culture first-hand. If it leaves you feeling queasy, move on to another school.


The whole interview is just your typical Dembski whine-fest; picking the scabs of battles lost while promising a brighter future.

Date: 2012/01/17 14:18:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Enjoy an example of Upright Biped's integrity...

Febble says...
IDists have failed to demonstrate that what they consider the signature of intentional design is not also the signature of Darwinian evolutionary processes.

Upright Biped helpfully paraphrases...
No IDist is able to demonstrating what he/she thinks is the signature of design, which isn’t also the signature of Darwinian processes.

....and starts huffing and puffing.
The fact that you [Elizabeth] seize upon the PROFOUND difference between those two only reaffirms my charaterization of you as dishonest.


Elizabeth promptly  squashes the slimy bastard.

Date: 2012/01/20 05:47:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
I have no power to ban, you would realise that I will simply correct for record, until he makes amends for some pretty snide remarks made in the teeth of abundantly accessible evidence. KF

Is there anyone left on the planet from whom Gordon isn't expecting an apology?

Date: 2012/01/20 07:00:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
The Foundation for Thought and Ethics seems to have run aground. I used to pop over there occasionally to be reminded that the imminent collapse of civilisation could be averted if I only donated my money so they could print more and more of Dembski's books.

Weird picture. Looks like one of those "Erectile Dysfunction? Your not alone." campaigns.

They've been threatening their "Full site coming soon" for months now....anyone have any gossip?

Date: 2012/01/30 04:18:17, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/01/31 09:01:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
In a similar vein, GilDodgen's behaviour is just as childish.

I recall a few years back Gildo put up a post spewing the age old crap about there not being enough hominid fossils to fill a coffin = ergo Jesus or some such drivel.

Anyway, Afarensis got wind of this and posted a complete and utter dismantling of Gildo's gurglings on his website. Gil's response? "Well I think that article just proves my point"....and quickly flounced out.

Date: 2012/02/01 07:19:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 31 2012,23:52)
Joe is open-minded!
As for evidence for UFOs and ancient astronauts, there is plenty. Great Britain opened up its files and there is more than enough in those alone.

Then there are massive stone structures allegedly cut and moved by people who couldn’t even write- we might not be able to duplicate some of the things they built.

And yes paranormal events have been investigated and I would love to see any skeptic go into some of these places- I get to choose.

But anyway take a trip to Peru and Bolivia- check out Puma Punku, Tiahuanaco, Nasca- hey there is a mountain missing its entire top- as if it was just scraped off for a landing area.

Check it out.

Joe is really letting his freak flag fly lately isn't he? Nazca, ancient aliens, UFOs....I bet he's a fully paid up member of the Coast to Coast AM tribe of lunatics.

Sherlock Gallien : When you have ignored the rational, whatever remains, however batshit insane, must be the truth.

Date: 2012/02/01 08:30:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gordon's attitude stems in part, i'll bet, from the fact that a WOMAN has the temerity to open her mouth let alone challenge him. And if that wasn't bad enough, a simple cross checking of the calender would reveal that he has, at times, more than likely been communicating with an UNCLEAN WOMAN!

Oh, Mullings! Take thy birch and scourge thyself so that thou might makest clean that which the Febble hast tainted!

Date: 2012/02/07 09:05:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
My brief and hypocritical experiments in sock-puppetry during the latter part of 2011 have only reinforced my conviction that any participation at UD, whether it be for fun or profit, is ultimately counter-productive.

My long standing desire to watch the place wither and die remains true, and so one of my new years resolutions is to never disturb their site-counters again. I've cracked a few times when someone has posted something so ball crushingly dumb that I simply had to look. But, like any bad habit you keep on trying.

And so, much like the good old days, my only evidence that UD still exists will be the fragmentary, exasperated dispatches from those brave, reckless souls who can mine the TARD seemingly without injury.

Date: 2012/02/10 17:24:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 10 2012,23:05)
THIS is a man who can palpate a heifer

Why, why, why do you make me Google such things?!


Date: 2012/02/10 17:26:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
I had the chance to interact at a one-on-one level with key ID scholars including William Dembski, Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson, Richard Sternberg, Stephen C. Meyer, Scott Minnich, Michael Behe, Douglas Axe, Ann Gauger, Jay Richards, and Bruce Gordon (and more!).

In other words they prayed together.

Date: 2012/02/10 22:47:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
It's only the evil Darwinists keeping the lights on over there. Left to their own devices the front page spammathon of aggregated news articles are lucky to attract any comments at all.

It's only when those spawns of materialistic nihilism happen to post that any activity is recorded. If only we can TARDEvac Febble, Petrushka etc we could watch the whole wretched bunch eat each other.

Date: 2012/02/11 10:16:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (damitall @ Feb. 11 2012,15:57)
So after that classic Friday Meltdown, what are you guys going to do?

Sock up again and keep on stirring the Tardheap?

Or just let it fester into nothing more than a bad smell?

Option 2!


I, too harbour similar suspicions to Patrick. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out the Righteous Purging is to secure Dr.Dr.Dembski's safe and un-molested return to posting at UD.

Date: 2012/02/11 10:40:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
why would he do that?

Well, he's leaving (left?) Southern Bible Thump College and becoming a full time Discovery Institute employee. And seeing that the DI is your archetypal propaganda mill then I would expect Dembski to take full advantage of UD's status as the 'Premier ID blog' to peddle his latest books, conferences and wisdom.

That said, even Dembski himself must realise that his previous attempts to interact with the Real World have been uniformly embarrassing to both him and the Revolution....the DI might just be paying him to keep his head down.

Date: 2012/02/11 11:12:26, Link
Author: Woodbine



Date: 2012/02/11 14:05:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
If the members of NAMBLA (I suspect a few of you are card-carrying members) decided to start their own nation, with their own set of laws, and they all determined pedophilia to be not only legal, but moral, would that make it so? According to Liz's reasoning it would.

Whereas if a bunch of bronze-age goat herders decided to start their own nation, with their own set of laws, and one of them descended from a mountain claiming to have spoken with God and they all determined that killing homosexuals, witches, disobedient children, Sabbath breakers to be not only legal, but moral.....


Date: 2012/02/11 16:50:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Design Denier = You are without excuse, heathen!

It's all code words these days.

Date: 2012/02/11 19:29:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey Barry, can a man be a god at the same time?

And can this god be both all knowing yet have free-will?

Huh, Barry?

Here's a picture of Jill Eikenberry to help get your juices flowing....

Date: 2012/02/11 22:15:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
RIP Whitney.

Can't say I liked your songs but those swimsuit covers were an integral part of my puberty.


Date: 2012/02/12 01:01:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Boycott the bastards, Eigenstate! Let them exchange furtive glances as the traffic stats plummet.

Date: 2012/02/12 21:54:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (paragwinn @ Feb. 13 2012,03:21)
eta: Response time is limited per SB:  
This is nonsense at the highest possible level. As I often point out, the lights are going out in Western Civilization. I really don’t know how much time we have left.

His sandwich board says the same thing.

Date: 2012/02/13 16:06:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 13 2012,21:58)
countdown to barry being found blue faced ball gagged in a wet suit astride toilet plunger hung deep

Makes me wonder what the UD posse would use for 'safe words'.

JoeTard : "Your position!"

Gildo : "Transparent!"

Batsh^t77 : "Semi OT!"

Kairosfocus : "Onlookers, I am experiencing physical and psychological difficulties. Kindly reconnect the oxygen and remove the catheter from my manhood. END!"


Date: 2012/02/13 16:28:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (REC @ Feb. 13 2012,22:15)
I like that the posting software melts down along with Barry. Unnumbered posts, posts with the same number, timestamps out of order, and non-nested replies. People referring to and quoting from comments that aren't there.

Yeah, by coincidence the same thing happened a lot to Salvador Corwegotfuckedindova.

We are all too suspicious; these are clearly the necessary birth pangs of a revolution we're witnessing.

Date: 2012/02/13 16:48:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
It seems more likely that his reply got lost in the ether somewhere. Expecially, given the problems kairosfocus having posted.

....poor naive fool.

Date: 2012/02/13 19:23:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
So humans descended from dogs, eh?

D'nyse ?

(a million points if you spot the ludicrously obscure reference)

Date: 2012/02/13 20:11:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 14 2012,02:04)
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 13 2012,19:23)
So humans descended from dogs, eh?

D'nyse ?

(a million points if you spot the ludicrously obscure reference)

Ballad of Lost C'Mell?



Your million points are being held in a vault on Montserrat.

Date: 2012/02/14 21:09:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
There's a few options on the table, now.

1) Just yer classic meltdown.

2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh).

3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen.

4) ......

Date: 2012/02/14 23:59:47, Link
Author: Woodbine

It’ll also be entertaining to watch the slough of sock puppets come through over the next couple of weeks.

Stand fast, people!

Date: 2012/02/15 12:43:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Now all the bad people are gone, there's a party at UD!

Be sure to stick around to hear tributes to Kurt Cobain, Alanis Morrisette, and original works such as Suck a Camel's Poody Hole!

Possibly NSW.

Date: 2012/02/18 23:41:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 19 2012,03:38)
Pathetic is WAY too charitable to describe GilDodgen's doubts of evolutionary theory.

He's been invited over and over to maybe just scratch the surface regarding his doubts about "probabilistic resources". No dice. Just a bunch of handwaving hoping everyone is too stupid to notice he won't even try a little bit to defend his doubts.

Doesn't rise to 'pathetic', even. This is how a fraud gives the audience and his critics the middle finger, by typing up hundreds of words that purposely avoid and evade what he claims to defend. Maybe you could just start with some of the probabilities you're concerned about, asks olegt, politely.

Fuck you, olegt, says Gil, and thanks for letting me defend my doubts by tell you all to fuck off.

This was my response to Gildo's opening "let's talk about me" post at Lizzie's place....
Someone is wrong and someone is right. I just want to know the truth.

No you don't.

You already know the truth; you had an "extraordinary encounter with Jesus Christ" if you remember?

All you've ever wanted ,Gil, in your posts at UD and elsewhere is to talk about yourself. And this post is no exception. Your entire shtick is to assert that Darwinism is transparently in its logical, evidential and cultural death-throes. You happen to know this because you used to be a militant atheist, you work with computer simulations and are in fact a "proper scientist" not like that Dawkins swine!!

Yet invariably whenever you're challenged to actually back up your assertions with, you know, an argument, you disappear in the blink of an eye.....only to re-appear a few weeks later with yet another post declaring the imminent dad, great physicist.....blah.....LS-DYNA....blah.....transparent nonsense.....blah....blah....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Lizzie cast my post into the Guano pit....well, she's every right to but I think it's fair comment.

Gil's only goal in posting anything is to remind people of his fantasy life as a 'militant Dawkins style atheist'; to witness his dissent from Darwin; to highlight his piano playing skills; to mention en passant his mastery of the French language; and to bask in the reflected glory of his nuclear physicist father.

Date: 2012/02/19 09:56:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 19 2012,10:39)
Personally, I think it was fair. I can see why woodbine might resent editing, but threads that sideline with personal grumbles based on past history and assumptions of bad faith litter UD, for example, and I think a little housekeeping is in order.

There's no assumption of bad faith from myself when I see the likes of Gildo, Mullings, Arrrington etc putting up 'articles'. No, there's really no need to assume anything at all.....their names are a guarantee of bad faith.

Here's Gil from 7 years ago....

....and he's been bleating the exact same thing ever since.

Date: 2012/02/21 07:26:55, Link
Author: Woodbine

No Way!!! Who'da thunk it?

Date: 2012/02/21 08:14:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Meanwhile at Lizzie's pad.....


Date: 2012/02/21 14:51:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 21 2012,20:34)
Any one heard from Joel lately....[?]

Well, a quick Googling brought up what appears to be his website.

And in the archives we find....

Guess he finally got laid.

Date: 2012/02/22 13:05:11, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/02/22 21:46:01, Link
Author: Woodbine


Bill Dembski invites us into his home and talks us through the soft furnishings that have helped his work on intelligent design.

Date: 2012/02/23 12:02:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Woe to those who call genocide good.

[cough]Heddle et al[/cough]

Date: 2012/02/24 05:19:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Countdown to.....

"My Skeptical Zone Hell", by Gil Dodgen*

* Son of a nuclear physicist, classical piano player and former Dawkins style atheist.

....appearing at UD, soon!

Date: 2012/02/24 13:13:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 24 2012,12:22)
Gil is such a drama queen.

I respectfully request that my account at this forum be permanently deleted. The probability that I will return is zero.

Participating here is a colossally pointless waste of time, but thanks for the initial invite.

The last sentence is exactly right, though, and some of us knew that all along.

Oh, play fair, Darwinist. He probably had a bad day and needed to flounce. It's not like he's done it befo....


Damn, such a loss to everyone to see him retreat into the sunset like that.

Oh, wait a sec....what's that, Gil? You want to talk some more about yourself, do you?

What a narcissistic TARD you are, Gil.


Date: 2012/02/25 02:30:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Been raping monkeys again, Barry? Feeling a bit guilty?

Poor sod.

Date: 2012/02/25 12:18:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Between the crickets chirping the only signs of life at UD are the triumphalist thumping of bibles in the comments section as the inmates vanquish wave after bloody wave of invented materialist demons.

Which is a good thing.

Date: 2012/02/26 08:20:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 26 2012,09:25)
I do not believe that any long-time ID supporters actually want to learn.

I think the main problem is that they already believe that God 'did it', and therefore the idea that ID could be advancing unsound arguments just does not compute.

Take Denyse O'Leary; she's your typical ID shill. Denyse already believes life was intelligently designed but she demonstrably has not the crudest understanding of the arguments of Behe or Dembski etc.

And because she does not understand the arguments for ID she does not understand the criticism being levelled against ID. And because she doesn't understand the only interpretation she can put on it is that the criticism levelled against ID arguments must therefore be politically or ideologically motivated.

Date: 2012/02/27 17:04:43, Link
Author: Woodbine

Awfully hyperactive today.

Has UD banned him?

Date: 2012/02/27 18:07:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
"Intelligent Design Awareness Day".

20th December, presumably.

Is the IDAD anything like the IDEA404 Clubs?

Date: 2012/02/27 18:14:37, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (REC @ Feb. 28 2012,00:07)
JoeG: My Intelligent Design Awareness Day has absolutely no impact on the curriculum, is totally voluntary as far as attendence and is done outside of school time.


God, that is brilliant.

Date: 2012/02/27 18:26:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 28 2012,00:16)
Yes, it is. Ya see that way I don't have to abide by any school rules and I still get to tell the kids all about ID and the ToE.

Please describe a typical IDAD (there have been four, yes?).

What goes on? What is discussed? Where does it happen? Who attends? What has the response been like?


Date: 2012/02/29 08:56:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
This has to be one of Lizzie's experiments. It has to be.

Date: 2012/02/29 10:36:29, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/03/03 13:02:39, Link
Author: Woodbine

Footage from last year's Intelligent Design Awareness Day...

Date: 2012/03/05 13:06:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Here's a link to a thread at FRDB 'bigging' up the event back in June last year (apologies if you're already familiar with it)....

Anti neo-Darwinian papers coming!

Date: 2012/03/06 23:53:13, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/03/07 11:45:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Mar. 06 2012,20:30)
If you google the phrase “intellectual honesty” you’ll see that an essay by ID author Mike Gene ranks very highly (#3 as of this writing).

This game is fun! If you google the phrase "intellectual dishonesty", you'll see that Mike Gene also ranks very highly.
Plus, if you google "intellectual dishonesty intelligent design", Phillip E. Johnson is on top.

Another example of intellectual dishonesty:
By O'Really: Scientist banned for doubting Darwin has presented challenge to our definition of life

Salvador Corwegotfuckedindova?

By Jove, UD really are scraping the barrel.

Which is a good thing.


Date: 2012/03/07 14:06:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Ohm my god, not again.

Date: 2012/03/09 13:55:07, Link
Author: Woodbine


Date: 2012/03/09 17:07:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
The Bermuda Triangle!

See, it all fits!


Date: 2012/03/10 12:28:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Let's see how UD is doing, eh?

From the front page....(no links, for links are temptation)
So the Evolutionary Informatics Lab has been “debunked” … by no one worth listening to?


Programming of Life Video now available for free on the net


Dear Evolutionists – We Don’t Disagree!

1 Comment

Now the Wikipedians are turning on each other …


Another Evolutionary Just-So Story Was Just Refuted (But Another One Replaced it)


When atheists get tired of Darwin.…


Good Mutations on Demand


If 2000 genes are required for birds’ singing, how likely is Darwinism to be true?


Why do we need to find our origin in something howling naked in the trees?


Question for Barry: Why do people embrace Darwin today, when his cause is actually collapsing in science?


Earlier than thought: Oldest organism with a skeleton predates the Cambrian era

1 Comment

An Evolutionist Coauthor of James Watson is a Gnostic

1 Comment

Professional banishment? For fronting facts? No, this isn’t the usual story.…


Evolutionists Think This Incredible Design is “Simple”


Biomechanics: Be glad that we have a lot to learn from the design of life


From The Best Schools: Why media suppress serious discussion of Fishtown’s problems


First Things: From Part of the Solution to Part of the Problem

1 Comment

Current search for life on Mars features dramatically reduced expectations


The French vs. Darwinism?

1 Comment

Neuroscience: “There are now hopeful signs of what might be called a backlash against the brain”


Excellent work, girls and boys!

Date: 2012/03/10 14:11:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Slimy Sal emerges from beneath rock and visits the crumbling ruins of ARN....

Why, you ask?

A poster, "Nobody", welcomes him back to the forum and elicits this tragically existential response....



(No links, nuh uh)

Date: 2012/03/10 16:54:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 10 2012,21:17)
Less that 25% had more than 12 comments, the maximum number of comments was somewhere between 200 and 300.

And unless Febble cracks and starts riling up the natives, UD is unlikely to see activity like that again.

Fingers crossed.

Date: 2012/03/11 20:06:04, Link
Author: Woodbine

One day, Sal.

One day.....


(no links)

Date: 2012/03/13 06:25:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Mullings: I notice we are running at a better than 100:1 views to comments ratio, about ten times the usual ratio for UD, which strongly suggests that this thread is under hostile observation.

Reminds me of....

Date: 2012/03/13 06:29:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Mullins is a fucking lunatic.
Now, I had long thought that the Creationism in a cheap tuxedo sneer was a toxic smear, but it was only when I made the connexions through the Barna survey and the Aiden vampire clergy video, in light of the cyber harassing comment by subject Y of the initial circle of attackers since June/July last year, that I saw that we are actually dealing with blood libel.

Enough is enough, Mr Dawkins and ilk.


Date: 2012/03/13 08:45:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, Lizzie has a post up about Dembski's CSI. It's going well when all of a sudden.....whoooosh! comes Captain Guano to set everybody straight!

Lizzie initiates discussion by posting a link to Dembski's Specification: The Pattern That Signifies Intelligence paper.

Cap'n Guano to the rescue!


1- The paper pertains to specified complexity, not CSI- yes CSI is a special case of SC but not all SC = CSI

Lizzie tries to let Joe down gently....

Joe, CSI stands for Complex Specified Information. This paper is about Information that is Complex and Specified. How is that not Complex Specified Information?

What kind of "Specified Complexity" is not "Complex Specified Information"?

Cap'n Guano doubles down....

Please reference the part of the paper that says "complex specified information"- I looked it isn't to be found.

What kind of SC is not CSI? The kind that does not deal with bits of information- the kind we see in buildings and the kind we see in machines.


Lizzie tries again....

You are correct: it does not appear. However, the subject of the paper is information that is complex and specified, and the equation given is the one that Dembski has elsewhere given for CSI.

What kind of SC is not CSI? The kind that does not deal with bits of information- the kind we see in buildings and the kind we see in machines.

So why does Dembski, in that paper, calculate specified complexity in bits? Joe, do read the paper!

R0b takes a somewhat dimmer view and dispatches the Captain with a single well placed shot....

Joe: The paper pertains to specified complexity, not CSI.

Dembski disagrees:

For my most up-to-date treatment of CSI, see “Specification: The Pattern That Signifies Intelligence” at

But what does he know?


Date: 2012/03/13 10:57:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
You just know that lunatic is playing that song backwards, listening out for the devilspeak.

Date: 2012/03/14 10:58:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Number of comments on the UD front-page....





12 :
(A reach around between Sal and Arrington)








0 :
Comments off









Date: 2012/03/14 11:44:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
A question for Uncommonly Dense subscribers. I've been looking for something. Unsuccessful thus far.

"Design theorists are no friends of theistic evolution"

Everyone knows this comment of Dembski's. And the forthcoming unholy union between Dembski and O'Leary attacking theistic evolution is set to italicise the sentiment.


A few years ago, Dembski, in one of his regular lapses of self-awareness, either in an interview or a posting at UD, lamented the fact that ID proponents had 'lost' the sympathies of the theistic evolutionists somewhere along the line.

One of AtBC's heroic tard-miners picked up on it, promptly juxtaposed it with the above quote, and recorded it here. But I can't find it, nor Dembski's original comment.

Are you that miner? Do you remember in which U-Dense thread you filed away said nugget?

Date: 2012/03/15 12:37:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (utidjian @ Mar. 15 2012,17:24)
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 14 2012,11:44)
A question for Uncommonly Dense subscribers. I've been looking for something. Unsuccessful thus far.

"Design theorists are no friends of theistic evolution"

Everyone knows this comment of Dembski's. And the forthcoming unholy union between Dembski and O'Leary attacking theistic evolution is set to italicise the sentiment.


A few years ago, Dembski, in one of his regular lapses of self-awareness, either in an interview or a posting at UD, lamented the fact that ID proponents had 'lost' the sympathies of the theistic evolutionists somewhere along the line.

One of AtBC's heroic tard-miners picked up on it, promptly juxtaposed it with the above quote, and recorded it here. But I can't find it, nor Dembski's original comment.

Are you that miner? Do you remember in which U-Dense thread you filed away said nugget?


That line is quoted a few times in various threads on UD but it was, I think, originally published on is sorta defunct under (re-) construction. I used the wayback machine and found this:


DU, thanks for the assist!

Unfortunately the bolded quote above isn't the one I'm looking for. (Serves me right for not being clear!)

The actual quote/post I'm hunting down was Dembski  complaining that the ID movement wasn't getting any love from the theistic evolutionists; he then wondered out loud why this was the case....which is hilarious considering the above quote.

Date: 2012/03/15 15:10:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Thanks's close.

Assuming my memory is reliable it was during one of Dembski's pep-talks (much like the one you posted); the one's where he presents a raft of introspective questions to the faithful.

Anyway, if anyone's tempted to follow your link they'll find some high grade TARD.

This is how O'Leary thought to reply to Dembski's post....

Now THAT is the hard stuff.

Date: 2012/03/16 04:39:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hands up if you want to see some concentrated stupid.

You do?




Date: 2012/03/16 05:16:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Cap'n Guano....

Funny you should mention ID fading away, Joe....

Date: 2012/03/19 02:08:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 19 2012,05:04)
"I would love to present a paper, and I could write a really good one. Unfortunately, I do engineering and commuting from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM every day, sleep eight hours a day, and therefore have only about four hours a day for everything else in life."

I've highlighted the salient feature of all Gil's posts at UD (or anywhere else).

Date: 2012/03/19 02:32:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Moar O'Leary lunacy.




Fuck. Me.

Date: 2012/03/19 10:50:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
It's not worth it.  Just walk away.

"Physician, heal thyself" sayeth Joe's social worker..... :p

But it's OK, I'm under the prime directive; observe but do not intervene.

And I can quit any time.

I'm the one in control, here.



Date: 2012/03/20 05:15:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 20 2012,07:32)
So, here is the terrible thought I have not seen addressed directly; What will you all do now that UD is dead? I know there are still twitches, but those are just maggots burrowing under the skin.

I have suggested commenting on newspaper sites. We could even return with creationist scalps still bleeding to post here at AtBC.

There are myriad varieties of weapons-grade TARD available should the UD/anti-evolution vein run dry.


Date: 2012/03/25 08:17:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 25 2012,07:13)
Didn't Nick Matzke get the memo. He is posting over at UD

And Slimy Sal is trying desperately to bait Nick into an exchange, hopefully he won't bite.

Date: 2012/03/29 08:22:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Well, according to Joe....
As there has been no news coming out of Los Angeles pertaining to Coppedge vs JPL I can only assume my prediction has come true- this is a very boring trial. I have been in a few trials and I can attest to their boring nature.

Date: 2012/03/29 22:47:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
There was also this fine specimen at UD in a thread about Coppedge v Satan....

Date: 2012/03/30 22:34:36, Link
Author: Woodbine
Take it as a sign from God.

(the forum butchers long URLs, use tinyurl to get around it)

But, yes, 'yuck' is an appropriate reaction to Slimy Sal.

Date: 2012/03/31 17:11:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm ambivalent about Prometheus based on what I've seen so far. It all looks too 'clean' to me; like a live action version of Mass Effect.

Date: 2012/03/31 18:07:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
LOL, guess what they're calling ID these days?

Scientific Apologetics.

The Institute of Scientific Apologetics is a division of Southern Evangelical Seminary that offers the Certificate in Scientific Apologetics designed for those interested in increasing their knowledge and effectiveness in defending the faith scientifically. The certificate prepares pastors, teachers, missionaries, and lay persons for apologetic and evangelistic ministry and outreach around the world. Students already accepted into a degree program may add this as a Concentration in Scientific Apologetics. Upon completion of this program the student should have demonstrated knowledge in Philosophy, Apologetics, Theology and Science.

"It is therefore with some urgency...."


Here's the relevant bit in Southern Evangelical's doctrinal statement....


We believe in the special creation of the entire space-time universe and of every basic form of life in the six historic days of the Genesis creation record. We also believe in the historicity of the biblical record, including the special creation of Adam and Eve as the literal progenitors of all people, the literal fall and resultant divine curse on the creation, the worldwide flood, and the origin of nations and diverse languages at the tower of Babel.

They'll make a YEC out of you yet, William.

Date: 2012/03/31 23:47:16, Link
Author: Woodbine


Date: 2012/04/01 12:32:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Here's Southern Evangelical Meth Lab....

It's basically a car-park with a tiny building in the middle. Presumably the bulk of the operation is underground?

Date: 2012/04/01 15:18:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Here's the SES cafeteria.


Date: 2012/04/01 17:32:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
Switching channels briefly....

The lights have finally gone out at ISCID.

On a related note, JAD, who has been the only active member of ISCID's forums for the past five years has this to report....

Date: 2012/04/01 22:01:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
It's no secret that Dembski and O'Leary are co-authoring a book on the evils of 'Christian Darwinism'. It will be fun to watch Dembski further marginalise himself from respectable academia but I wonder if they've thought out the broader implications.

The tack I assume they are going to take is that the idea that humans arose naturally and contingently is incompatible with God's fall/salvation/redemption project that Christianity espouses.

However, if Christianity in their eyes demands the appearance of humans as a deliberate act of, then so too must the Earth. For surely God is not going to leave his Great Plan at the mercy of natural law; hoping to himself that just the right kind of planet forms? No, just like humanity the Earth must have also been a special creation.

So it follows that Dembski and O'Leary are not only explicitly opposing common ancestry, but also the current and increasingly well supported nebula hypotheses of solar and planetary formation!

If you can't be a Christian and believe in a natural origin to humankind then you sure as hell can't be a Christian and hold to a naturalistic and contingent account of one of the necessary conditions of our existence - i.e. the Earth.

Thus, according to Dembski and O'Leary creationism is the only valid stance for a 'true' Christian.

Date: 2012/04/03 13:20:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 03 2012,18:58)
Has Barry blamed us for the shootings at the Christian college yet?

They're just waiting to hear whether he had read any Dawkins before closing the case.

Date: 2012/04/03 14:22:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
I clicked on Batsh^t's name at Cornholio's place and discovered the wellspring of all his C+P tard.

It's un-ironically called 'Let there be Light' and assuming you can get it to load you'll find one giant blog post wherein BA77 converses with himself. Functionally speaking it is his brain.

Date: 2012/04/05 17:50:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
You raise a good point there.

Despite the clockwork repetition of Gildo's witnessing he remains suspiciously mute about his soaring and swooping activities. Wonder why? Maybe flying is against God or something. Or perhaps the hang gliding community is notoriously materialistic/Darwinist.

Date: 2012/04/06 01:47:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
He's ill. Or in need of help. Most likely both.

But whatever the reason he just can't stop talking about himself....

Date: 2012/04/07 01:30:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
Received: October 21, 2011; Accepted: March 6, 2012

Five months to get a paper published in your own journal?

Well if that doesn't convince you materialist dogs of the veracity of Bio-Complexity's peer review process then nothing will.


Date: 2012/04/12 07:39:48, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/04/13 09:25:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (olegt @ April 13 2012,13:48)
Joe demonstrates his awesome knowledge of orbital mechanics:

Joe: I understand orbital mechanics. And YOU cannot demonstrate the orbital mechanics of a universe with one star and one planet/ moon system.

me: No, you don’t. You don’t even know that a single planet can have a stable orbit around a star.

Joe: Wrong again, oleg. YOU can’t even keep the context straight. BTW I never said that a single planet cannot have a stable orbit around a star- never.

me: Yes, you did. You kept asking silly questions like this: "How does it stay away, oleg? Remember there is only that system in the entire universe."

Joe: Oleg- CONTEXT is everything- I was talking about a one star universe- one star with one planet/ moon system.

me: Yes, that’s precisely the system that is stable and does not require any support from outside.

Joe: So you say yet cannot demonstrate.

me: Of course I can. It was first demonstrated by Newton, who derived Kepler’s laws from Newtonian mechanics and the law of gravity. It has been textbook stuff for centuries. And you are blissfully unaware of it. Case closed.

Joe: No you can’t, Newton never dealt with a one star universe- you are a liar.

me: That is precisely what Newton did. He considered a single star with a single planet orbiting it. That is known as the Kepler problem in mechanics.

Joe: No, Newton did NOT deal with a ONE STAR UNIVERSE- a one star system, but NOT a ONE STAR UNIVERSE.

me: No, Joe, you are wrong. Newton considered a problem in which there was one star, one planet, and nothing else. Literally. It is a universe with one star and one planet. Go ahead, look it up.

Joe: He couldn’t have- how would such a system come into existence?

me: He did not address the question of its origin. It’s irrelevant. He considered the dynamics of such a system. It’s stable. Go ahead, click on the link: Kepler problem. It won’t bite you. :)

Joe: If he didn’t address the question of origin then he has nothing. Not only that but he was unaware of the fabric of space-time. And taht means he is irrelevant to this discussion.



That is quality, quality TARD.

Date: 2012/04/14 09:51:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Let's see how this year's Intelligent Design Awareness Week is going down with the kids.....

Date: 2012/04/14 18:32:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh God....

See, this is why I avoid the Birfday threads.

I know this will come as a terrible shock but.....OK just say is not my birthday.

Wait, there's more!

I'm.....I'm not really a hundred years old, either.

I understand these revelations eclipse even Pam Ewing's shower but as long as we're strong we can get through these dark hours.

Nevertheless, thankyou for the lovely picture, Kattarina; it is much appreciated.


Date: 2012/04/14 18:34:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 15 2012,00:05)
Nofereï inosyrhianta, Woodbine!



Date: 2012/04/16 15:04:27, Link
Author: Woodbine


Date: 2012/04/17 08:28:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Remember when Dembski cut 'n' pasted his face into that picture?

Poor bastard.


Date: 2012/04/17 10:24:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
On the occasion of David Coppedge's unsuccessful attempt to sue JPL for wrongful dismissal, eminent historian David Barton said....
American justice has until this day been the envy of every foreign man, woman and negro across the globe. If our courts do not overturn this travesty then I fully expect to see a repeat of when Paul Revere started the American civil war by throwing all that coffee overboard in Boston. That's right, South African coffee. From Kenya.

Date: 2012/04/22 16:27:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hello everyone.

My name is Woodbine and i've been clean for one week.

Date: 2012/04/24 18:28:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 24 2012,23:59)
I understand orbital mechanics.

TARD like that has its own event horizon.

Date: 2012/04/25 10:34:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Henry, Oleg mined this, OK?

Not me.

I'm just a go-between; a mule. You wanna fuck your arteries with this shit you go right ahead, I ain't got nothing to do with it.

The HARD stuff.

Date: 2012/05/01 04:32:38, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/05/01 15:39:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Ptaylor @ May 01 2012,21:11)
Unfortunately I have been in a few and they have all been different. Not much technology, just a flush toilet, sink with working plumbing and a light.

A joke, but real experience behind it?

He blurted this out about a month ago....
As there has been no news coming out of Los Angeles pertaining to Coppedge vs JPL I can only assume my prediction has come true- this is a very boring trial. I have been in a few trials and I can attest to their boring nature.

My guess is multiple convictions for standing in the middle of the street reeking of booze and piss and offering to fight passers by.

Either that or a string of lawsuits issuing from the concerned parents of traumatized children following one of his Intelligent Design Awareness days.

Date: 2012/05/01 22:53:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Bruce David needs to get out more....

Well, another rather obvious one is that while the biological establishment is claiming that “evolution is a fact”, we are in the midst of a genuine Kuhnsian paradigm shift in biology—from the neo-Darwinian synthesis to ID.

Fuck.....I fell off the wagon.


.....climbs back on.

Date: 2012/05/03 06:06:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 03 2012,09:43)
LOL! If it did, you can bet your life Design was at the back of it, 'cos you can't have complexity without it.

And even if you have a plausible evolutionary path doesn't mean it was the actual evolutionary path.

IOW all you have to do is step up and provide some EVIDENCE taht blind, undirected processes can be a designer-mimic.


Taht was scarily realistic!

Date: 2012/05/04 11:58:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
If memory serves, Richard Dawkins makes a distinction between replicators and reproducers.

A DNA molecule, he points out, is a replicator because it produces an exact copy of itself (under normal circumstances). Organisms cannot achieve this level of copying fidelity and so are termed 'reproducers'.

I'm buggered if I can remember in which of his books I read it, though....... ???

Date: 2012/05/04 22:56:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
I don’t believe you have ever spoken to this subject. It may be your silence in this area that makes your position so hard for people at UD to understand.



Would you please tell us which Jesus you believe in so we can treat you accordingly?

Date: 2012/05/05 01:38:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
UD are reporting JAD has died*.

RIP you crazy bastard.

These blog posts seem to be his final dispatches....

* Considering the source there's every chance JAD is actually in the rudest of health.

Date: 2012/05/05 02:41:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Non-Negotiables of Christianity:

(C1) Divine Creation: God by wisdom created the world out of nothing.
(C2) Reflected Glory: The world reflects God’s glory, a fact that ought to be evident to humanity.
(C3) Human Exceptionalism: Humans alone among the creatures on earth are made in the image of God.
(C4) Christ’s Resurrection: God, in contravention of nature’s ordinary powers, raised Jesus bodily from the dead.

Non-Negotiables of Darwinism:

(D1) Common Descent: All organisms are related by descent with modification from a common ancestor.
(D2) Natural Selection: Natural selection operating on random variations is the principal mechanism responsible for biological adaptations.
(D3) Human Continuity: Humans are continuous with other animals, exhibiting no fundamental difference in kind but only differences in degree.
(D4) Methodological Naturalism: The physical world, for purposes of scientific inquiry, may be assumed to operate by unbroken natural law.

This highlights a post I made a few weeks back.

When Demski says C1 is non-negotiable - which sense of the term 'world' is he using? The cosmos as a whole or just our Earth?

If it really is the case that to be a Christian you need to believe in a specially created Earth, then he's marginalising himself even further from a) the scientific community (Christian or otherwise) who are studying planet formation, and b) the liberally minded theological community who have no problem in reconciling discovery with faith and who don't seem as hell-bent as Dembski et al in drawing ideological lines in the sand.

It's refreshing to hear Dembski openly admit he's a plain ol' creationist after the years of humming and harring. My guess is he's accepted that his scientific credibility is zero - therefore he's in the process of building his theological reputation among those who really couldn't give a shit what the science says.

In other words he's come home.

Date: 2012/05/05 10:42:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (N.Wells @ May 05 2012,16:21)
IOW, he's just trying to hang on to his latest job.  After all, the mind boggles at what sort of a career move might be downhill from SES.  The next place might not even rate a parking lot.

Not rate a parking lot? Have you seen where his next gig is?

It is a parking lot.

Oh, BTW....stop posting at ARN!


There's only you and that bonkers literalist keeping the lights on over there!

Date: 2012/05/07 01:25:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (JLT @ May 06 2012,23:23)
I can't believe Slimey Sal brings this up again*

Coincidently I'm in the middle of re-reading the Origin and I've just finished the section that examines organisms that 'revert to type'. I reckon Slimy Sal is undergoing a similar process.

His latest vomit-inducing reincarnation has either been completely ignored (ARN), or ripped to shreds (Skeptic Zone). And so he's left with no option but to employ his innate quality.....being a fucking scumbag.

He'll crawl back under his rock soon enough. Even Sal can't have failed to notice that his beloved ID movement lies in ruins.....there really isn't any place left for him.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.


Date: 2012/05/07 04:14:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (The whole truth @ May 07 2012,08:39)
dembski's 'office' will probably be one of the parking spaces, complete with a portable outhouse for him to do his research in.

Date: 2012/05/08 15:46:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Can't think of anything worse than having Kairosfocus invade my inbox!

Date: 2012/05/11 06:07:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gildo has always been desperately insecure about how he is perceived.

See this archetypical post from 2005, the last paragraph in particular.

The tragic fuck even provides links to prove he's not a complete fool..... :D

Date: 2012/05/13 11:39:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oil-soaked Scoffers!


Every revolution needs a seating plan!

Date: 2012/05/13 11:41:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
That mysterious 'services cabinet' caught my eye.

That's where Mullings keeps Mr.Leathers, I reckon.

Date: 2012/05/15 13:17:30, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/05/22 17:09:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh, tish and pish!

I'm confident it was merely a technical glitch.

Date: 2012/05/24 21:36:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
I had to Google 'Tom Brady'.

I thought it was that bloke in the new Batman but it turns out he's an American Hand-Egg player.

Date: 2012/05/25 04:55:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
If women want to be thought of 'equally' and be treated 'equally' they need to STOP being two-faced, demanding, paranoid, easily offended prima donnas who want everything that men may have or achieve and expect special treatment too.

Date: 2012/05/29 14:41:36, Link
Author: Woodbine
Finally I said I want to go somewhere where people know what they believe from one decade to the next.

Phew, it's lucky you didn't pick Catholicism, eh, Denyse?

Oh, wait a sec.....


Date: 2012/05/29 15:58:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
If I remember correctly Mr. Anderson believes that some crop-circles are too complex to have been.....well, you can fill in the rest yourselves.

Date: 2012/05/29 20:24:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Great news Kristine!

(so who tells her there's only a head?)

Date: 2012/05/31 01:54:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Recently finished A Reason for Everything - Marek Kohn.

It's a collection of six biographies of British adaptionists from Wallace to Dawkins. Very good imho - and costs next to nothing! Bargain! I hope the author considers writing a companion volume to cover the continental and coloni.....ahem, American evolutionists.

I'm currently in the final leg of Dracula - No introduction necessary.....Muhaahahaahahahahaa!

Date: 2012/05/31 14:31:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
The story of our own journey to upright bipedalism, as recorded in the fossil record, is discontinuous.

It would seem she's on board with common descent for humans - if that's Gauger's actual position she's a lot closer to us than the rest of the ID crowd.

Date: 2012/06/04 07:35:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 04 2012,11:49)
Who's going to tell them that D. James Kennedy is dead?

Not the finance department, that's for sure.

Date: 2012/06/07 10:06:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
So ID has a Facebook page.....Waterloo!

Is anyone else reminded of Dembski's typically tragic  clarion call from the good old days?

Student activism, eh?

Hey, let's pay a visit to the front line of a bona-fide social, scientific and cultural revolution....

Here's MySpace - surely an ongoing hot-bed of radical ID thought....

2007? It has indeed been a while!

Ahh....never mind. Surely XANGA will blow us away with the sheer weight of enthusiasm for the promised cultural renewal....

Mmmm....I know, LiveJournal. Ah, yes. Where else would we find the white hot core of a revolution but at LiveJournal?

Fuck. Well, what about BlogSpot.....


Oh, William.

Date: 2012/06/14 05:17:36, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Amadan @ June 13 2012,18:09)


A thing of beauty, aye.

Date: 2012/06/16 16:07:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
The Beeb are doing Ulysses in 15 minute sized chunks at a time. Featuring the bloke who played Moriarty in Sherlock (if that floats one's boat).

Get them here....

I don't think the downloads are UK restricted - but if they are then that just serves you right for being foreign.

Date: 2012/06/24 02:09:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Jammer candidates so far....

1) Lou FCD

2) Kristine (the shimmying witch)

3) Louis

Date: 2012/07/01 20:30:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
Am wiping a tear from the corner of my eye just now. Of course he believes in UFOs visiting earth, of course he does.

Oh, he's been quite open about it.


Date: 2012/07/21 22:59:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
I’ve always been a detail guy — whether learning, memorizing, and performing every single note in an 80-page piano score of a Rachmaninoff piano concerto, or writing complex computer programs — but immersion in detail can deceive one into not being aware of the overarching theme.

He must be mentally ill. Seriously.

I've ran into some weird folk on the internet - we all have. But i've never encountered anyone so desperately narcissistic and hopelessly insecure as Gildo. And his endless repetition indicates a problem so deeply ingrained it can't possibly remain confined to his online scribblings.

Thus, Gil's pathology must be as readily apparent in real life as it is on the internet. Can you imagine knowing this bloke? Working with him? Being married to him?

Fuck...... :(

Date: 2012/07/25 10:49:37, Link
Author: Woodbine
From the latest 'think tank'....

These assaults on religious practice are becoming increasingly commonplace.

For example, a German trial judge recently outlawed the circumcision of children on the basis that the “fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents”, to carry out their religious beliefs.

Circumcision is controversial today, but redefining the rite into “mutilation” or “child abuse” is blatant secular imperialism. For millennia, faith adherents have believed that circumcision is done for boys (rather than to them). Indeed, prohibiting the rite deprives male children of these faiths a religious benefit to which they are entitled while dispossessing them of a core aspect of their personal identity.

Allowing a man chop a piece off their son's penis = "a religious benefit to which they (the boys) are entitled"

Stopping a man from chopping a piece off their son's penis = "blatant secular imperialism"


Date: 2012/07/28 11:13:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
Begs the question - to where are Batshit77 and JoeTard going to relocate? Which blog has unwittingly become their latest nest?

Date: 2012/07/30 19:17:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Has Access Research Network gone the way of the designed Dodo?

The site has been practically dead for years now, with the only signs of life being a few stalwarts on their forums. And up until approximately a week ago it still had a pulse.

But now all I'm seeing is this....

Anyone heard anything? Foxy, Wellsy?

Date: 2012/10/17 04:20:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 17 2012,02:16)
eta ah hell thought this was UD stats.  never mind

Here are UD's stats according to these folks....

Not enough prestige to warrant analysis it seems and I don't know how accurate the Reach and Change statistics are - but they look good in red, nevertheless.

Date: 2012/10/17 04:31:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Also, as nice as it is to see Mr.Story alive and well, it's still a bit depressing knowing that the Siren Song of the TARD is still capable, after years of absence, of drawing one back to the wellspring. What hope have any of us?


Speaking of TARD what's happened to the Frill - the Tragic Narcissus? While I've been keeping myself as far from UD as possible I still check in here quite often but I've seen nobody extracting raw Dodgen in ages. Has he finally married himself? Or has he slipped back into his long night of nihilism?

Date: 2012/10/17 05:00:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
So you thought Joe couldn't possibly believe in anything more stupid than ID, Nazca alien runways and drinking bleach?

Oh ye of little TARD....

Date: 2012/10/22 07:52:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, I took a peek at UD and the sidebar told me everything I needed to know.

It's Mungtard all the way down!

He was a regular at ARN once upon a time and distinguished himself as one of those turds who believed their occasional, vocal contrarianism was tantamount to wisdom.

Anyone know why he's resurfaced and being all prolific 'n shit at UD?

Date: 2012/10/31 17:51:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, if you visit Uncommon Descent and speak to Kairosfocus he may allow you to present your theory for discussion. All the finest minds in ID post there and they might enjoy helping to debug and refine your work.

Date: 2012/11/03 21:36:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
The phrase “natural selection” is a subjective generalization that is impossible to precisely quantify. This theory instead requires specific terminology from cognitive science to be able to explain the tenacious self-learning mechanisms of intelligent living things which more specifically "learn" (not select/selected) and can take a "guess” (not mutate) and over time physically “develop” (not evolve). It is this way able to explain what is most important to know about how our brain works, cellular intelligence with flagella and other systems requiring cognitive control, living genomes where each replication cycle is analogous to one thought cycle over billion years of intelligently working on the design problem becoming human (and all the other living-things) presents, to creation by nonrandom behavior of matter that we are a conscious expression of. The entire universe (and all in it) is emergent from behavior of matter obeying nonrandom physical laws (laws of physics) therefore all “features” of the universe and of living things are here best explained by starting with this premise that requires explaining how “intelligent cause” works.

Clear as mud.

Gary, even you can't have failed to notice that on every forum you've posted your 'theory' (and there have been a lot) you encounter the same complaint - nobody understands what on Earth you are talking about. Your 'theory' as presented is gibberish. And the fact you persist in advertising your Planet Source Code award tells me that you are labouring under the delusion that this award in some way validates the 40 pages of rambling you call your 'theory'. It doesn't.

For how many more years and on how many more forums are you going to post this stuff, Gary, before all this sinks in?

Date: 2012/11/05 03:04:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
All your algorithm are belong to us.

Date: 2012/11/05 21:54:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, Gary.

Almost ten pages in and you are getting exactly the same response as the myriad other forums you've visited. For the umpteenth time your theory is being described as unreadable, incoherent, rambling, and your understanding of what a theory is and what it is supposed to do is, yet again, being called into question.

There's a pattern here, Gary....obviously something is going wrong. I see two possibilities here;

A) - You've been terribly unlucky in choosing the correct forum in which to present your work. I mean what else but bad luck could explain the fact that every time you post your work it is immediately shot down as being incoherent, unreadable and patently not a scientific theory?

B) - Your work actually is incoherent, unreadable and patently not a scientific theory.

On the balance of probabilities, Gary, which of the two options seems most likely to be true?

Date: 2012/11/06 01:02:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 06 2012,06:09)
hell i'm just waiting for this feller to tell me why anyone should give a damn about whatever it is he is ranting about

i mean, the flow chart was interesting and all but it totally needed multiple colored fonts.




Date: 2012/11/14 11:03:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 14 2012,16:22)
gary so you're saying it's oogedy boogedy all the way down?  OK that and 6.50 will buy you a can of Skoal

That just stirred a memory.

I remember reading an old Reader's Digest back in the 80's about this kid who was a rising college football star (or something like that) who contracted mouth cancer from sucking on Skoal Bandits. They had to remove half his face - can't remember if he made it or not.

Anyway, back to Gary and his theory....

Date: 2012/11/15 13:54:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
I do enjoy it when Gary refers to himself as 'we' - as if he's part of some new-wave-punk-science collective.

Gary, there is no 'we'. There is just 'you'. No one else on the planet is using your 'theory', no one else on the planet understands your 'theory', no one else on the planet cares about your 'theory'....there's only you.

Twenty pages in and surprise-surprise you have failed to convince anyone of anything, and, as demonstrated above, any request to test your 'theory' is met by your standard epic hand-waving and links to musical Youtube videos.

Which forum are you going to land at next, Gary? You must have some ideas - give us a hint so we can again watch the exact same thing unfold there.

Date: 2012/11/15 17:11:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
I have some good questions, Gary!

1) Why do you keep posting that PSC badge in your signature in every forum you inhabit?
1b) Do you believe it helps or hinders your mission?

2) Is there anyone on the planet Earth besides yourself using your 'theory' in any way, shape or form?

3) How many more forums do you think you will have to visit after this one before it sinks in that nobody understands a word you are saying?

4) How many more times do you need to be reminded what a scientific theory is before it sinks in?

5) How many more times do you need to be asked what your theory explains or predicts before it sinks in that whatever you claim to be doing - it isn't science.

Date: 2012/11/16 06:24:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 16 2012,05:19)
1, the PSC award banner (that is only for award winners) is there so that no matter how well you think you're doing (making it seem that you know better than everyone else) the how-to community most knowledgeable in what else is around already made it clear what they think about it, and you cannot change that.

The award is for 'superior coding', Gary. Not 'superior science'. Just because your little application might be well written bears no relevance as to its scientific merit.
And 1b it's my mission to make sure they are proudly represented and credited not sidelined in a forum where some will always instead demand respect of some pompous tribunal, which even needs to judge theory with recent controversial philosophy to get the answer they want.

They don't need your help, Gary. In fact I would suggest that Planet Source Code would rather not be seen to endorse what (ever) it is you are selling.
2 only helps show how out of touch with the rest of the planet your opinion is, which leads to 3,4,5 not being worth answering. Reality is, that programmers, school board members, artists, politicians and others found this theory useful for answering questions they had in regards to the scientific merit of the Theory of Intelligent Design and what a theory is and is not.

If this is true then you will have no problem in providing those answers here! But you won't.
I already explained how in Kansas the US laws and ethics combines to add an unresolved public hearing requiring a number of years after that to even begin to resolve, and all that takes the outcome of this theory very seriously. It's a learning thing, at the citizenry level, that the law of the land wants to happen too. Modern day in the name of science invading your forum like this, then makes our forefathers proud.

Delusional gibberish capped off with a dose of Glenn Beck-style patriotism.

You're not a birther by any chance are you, Gary?

Date: 2012/11/16 15:27:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
For those of you who might harbour the faintest of hopes of successsfully communicating with the Gaulin I offer you but a tiny selection of previous attempts to break through....

Now, the question on everyone's mind: can you come up with a prediction that tests your "theory"?

How many times am I going to have to ask you for one before you at least attempt to come up with one?

You don't have a theory if nowhere within it can you identify an individual hypotheses that can be successfully tested.

No. Stupidly, iredeemably, hilariously wrong......This is not rocket science. If you would fucking get over your own ego, and realize there are things you do not know that others do know, you could FUCKING LEARN SOMETHING.

It doesn't make any, does it, Gary? Your fucking halfwitted, brain-damaged joke of a "theory" makes NO TESTABLE PREDICTIONS.

Gary, are you RETARDED? That is the OPPOSITE of what I am arguing! You CANNOT be this stupid!

Do you even fucking SPEAK ENGLISH, GARY?!

What fucking predictions does your fucking idiot slack-brained abortion of a "theory" make?

This is just sad at this point.

Gary. English is not your native tongue, is it? You don't really actually understand English, do you?

Listen, moron: your "theory" isn't EVEN a hypothesis. Or, more precisely, as a "hypothesis" it is WORTHLESS. As in, USELESS.


Because it's not fucking TESTABLE. It makes no testable predictions. You have no way of telling if it is right or if it is wrong. I have been telling you this virtually since the beginning of this thread.

What is really amazing, though, is that all this time, through almost a hundred pages of this thread, you had, and still have, NO IDEA WHAT A FREAKING PREDICTION IS.

....and that's just page one.

Date: 2012/11/16 16:04:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh, this is a doozy. Here's what you're up against.

Exasperated forum member....

Gary, there is no evidence that would contradict your "theory," because your "theory" is unfalsifiable. It's not coherent enough to be falsifiable.

We've already been through this. You could not think of a single prediction your "theory" makes, nor could you think of a single observation which would in your view falsify it.

The Gaulin replies....

That is NOT a scientific excuse for having no evidence to the contrary, it is pretending to have evidence when you don't. Like with Bob's tactic it might fool some of the people some of the time, but I think most are now understanding what is going on here.


Date: 2012/11/16 17:43:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
It's here not just the opinion of the community that I am showing it's where the theory is from where it's not at all a new thing that out of the blue arrived there, the Intelligence Generator did well too.


Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra?

Date: 2012/11/18 15:38:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 18 2012,21:04)
Considering how in some areas of science no good deed goes unpunished, I seriously do not have the time or resources to go over this all over again for you.

Yes you do. Proof of that will come when you land at yet another forum posting exactly the same stuff as you've been doing for the last 5 years.

After such a successful crusade to drive people like me out of science and into poverty, just be thankful my phone service is still on and I’m online.

You were never in science in the first place, Gary.

Gary, every place you arrive and present your work you are met with the exact same criticisms....

1) You are incoherent - that means people cannot understand what you are talking about.

2) Your work is incoherent - that means people cannot understand what it means.

3) You do not understand the nature of a scientific theory - having a badge from Planet Source Code does not in any way prove otherwise.

4) You steadfastly refuse to make any predictions based on your theory that people can test to see if the theory is useful.

Do you see the pattern here, Gary?

Now, you can do one of two things.

A) Take the criticism seriously (seeing that everywhere you go it's the same).

B) Cry about how the man is keeping scientific mavericks like you down; and then find another forum to post your stuff - rinse and repeat.

My money's on B.

Date: 2012/11/19 16:53:01, Link
Author: Woodbine

You've totally missed out the Hallettestoneion Era.


Date: 2012/11/19 19:43:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 20 2012,01:33)
Gary, you might want to check out the Creating CSI with NS thread. There, you'll find Jerry Don Bauer. Jerry is a sucker who fell for CSI and believes ID is a productive area of research (It's not. It's a sham. That's why they shut down their 'research journal' after Judge Jones's ruling. No real scientific movement would ever do that.)


What is Brainstorms?

This forum is to discuss work in progress about complex systems. It is the place to get preliminary thoughts about complex systems into circulation so that they can receive critical scrutiny and be more fully developed.

Because most contributors to Brainstorms work hard on their postings, ISCID is committed to maintaining and backing up this board. Contributors need not worry about losing their material or having it removed.

Go directly to Brainstorms

Date: 2012/11/20 16:37:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Christ that's creepy!

The Gingerbread Tard.

Date: 2012/11/25 02:43:46, Link
Author: Woodbine

Gary playing the victim card?!


I'm shocked.

Date: 2012/11/25 12:28:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ Nov. 25 2012,17:40)
.....and why would you think your model has value?

Because it won the Planet Source Code award, duh!

Date: 2012/11/26 22:10:26, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/11/26 22:44:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 27 2012,04:33)
And I sure cannot afford to fund my own research that was to redo all the incomplete/misleading experiments that have been published.

To which incomplete or misleading experiments are you referring, Gary?

Instead of another 30 pages of rubbish why don't you select one of these published papers and explain why you think it's misleading and/or incomplete?

We'd love to see your expert analysis.

Date: 2012/11/29 11:56:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
I love the way Batsh^t77 just spams the fucking place with his cut 'n' paste TARD.


Date: 2012/11/30 05:18:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
You may have seen these previously, but if you haven't they are hilarious. These are the comments left by people at Planet Source Code after Gary posted the latest iteration of his Intelligent Design Lab.

It starts off friendly enough....

11/23/2011 1:56:04 AM: Dave Carter

Thanks Gary, this is excellent :D

11/23/2011 10:06:01 AM: Paul Bahlawan

WOW!! That is awsomeness.

11/24/2011 6:33:28 AM: aarslan1

Congratulations Gary, excellent work. Will dive into it, when i'll get time. 5 Globes.

Beaming with pride, Gary thanks his new pals and hints at more to come....

12/5/2011 6:28:08 PM: Gary Gaulin

Thanks for great compliments!

Next is a subsystem for touch/taste to feel around with the mouth. Far goal of producing intelligent causation event requires virtual stem cells and such. In case there are volunteers!

Multiple entities at a time added with array element on variables needed to represent each, although a modern PC cannot run large numbers really needed for emergence experiments. Does not require great biological detail just behavior to self-organize a functional system that begins to cycle plus store memories and all that indicates it’s intelligent, it’s alive! :D

Hopefully it remains useful and challenging with those able to make good use of it. So with thanks for awesomely letting me know it’s where the right-stuff are, my best to you for your future experiments.

But wait a cotton-pickin' moment....who's this....?

1/8/2012 5:43:00 AM: bobghengiskhan

I know I am new to this site but really, I don't get it. Whilst I have no major issues with the code itself, the 30 page "documentation" (besides for some reason being supplied twice) seems to contain pages and pages of material that bear no obvious relationship to the program itself. And worse, makes it appear as if the publication of the code itself has more to do with some kind of pro Intelligent Design agenda (though not in any form that the Discovery Institute or its advocates would recognise, I am sure) than anything else.

For this reason, I feel that I must downgrade something that otherwise might be at least average.

You won't be surprised to discover that Gary doesn't take this criticism too well.....

1/11/2012 8:16:13 AM: Gary Gaulin

BobGhengisKhan you’re only here to bully a biology based computer model because of its included biology based theory, that’s only useless to someone with no interest in coding these biological models. Serious code must account for chromosome speciation (as in humans) and all else mentioned.

As far as science is concerned it’s historic to prove that a once believed impossible theory is scientifically possible. Better that than get stuck behind a science-stopper, thinking small instead of big, while those not interested in this talk about a long ago conquered Discovery Institute and half a globe you chopped off the Intelligence Design Lab.

Your damage to the once 5 globe rating is obscured by a gold emblem from being honored by real peers with the Planet Source Code "Superior Coding Contest Winner" Award for Visual Basic. I’m proud and thankful to this way be judged in a community, I did write all this for, where what matters is usefulness to others, not your politics…

Ahahahahaha!!! You took my Globe but you can't take away my Emblem!!!!

You can see the rest here.

Date: 2012/11/30 09:47:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 30 2012,00:12)
Dembski appears to have "disappeared" all of the "content" from

According to Dembski's egotastically long C.V. he's a 'full time' employee of the Discovery Institute and 'part time' at Southern Evangelical Seminary (aka the Meth Lab).

God knows how much the DI are paying him....whatever the amount it's not working. My understanding was that he was to release a second edition of NFL plus the book with Denyse; any sign of these?

Date: 2012/12/17 08:08:28, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2012/12/18 02:12:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 18 2012,07:14)
I write for scientists of all ages with a talent for an area of science that has evolutionary biologists you admire panties in a bunch because they are unqualified to even judge it, and can't help prove to everyone what kind of slackers they are by all the excuses for brushing it off that they give.

Gary, there is not a single scientist on Earth who uses your software. For anything.

Date: 2012/12/19 11:59:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Googles priapism.


Date: 2012/12/19 23:21:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (dheddle @ Dec. 20 2012,02:04)

I am a conservative evangelical Christian and a scientist ( a nuclear physicist). I am a university professor and I do research at a national lab. My Christianity/Science blog is here.

Would you send me a copy of your theory? I would give it a fair review.

Heddle you're a fool.

Before you go making promises you'll regret forever why don't you start small?

Examine this piece of rambling gibberish first...

....and then decide whether you want to plough through another 40 pages worth.

Date: 2012/12/20 09:37:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 20 2012,14:28)
The 40 page book does not have an "Abstract" in it. At least quote-mine the actual book:

Most Recent Text

How about I quote the page you just linked instead?

Abstracts, abstracts everywhere....each iteration making less sense than the last.

Anyway, I thought you were done here, Gary?

You need to learn to 'stick the flounce' or else people might suspect you're desperate for attention.

There's still a few forums that you've yet to visit - no need to flog a dead horse at AtBC, is there? Just think of all those new friends who are itching to tell you that your theory isn't a theory, your writing is incomprehensible and that having a badge from Planet Source Code isn't any kind of scientific endorsement!

All this fun and much, much more....what are you waiting for?!

Date: 2012/12/21 10:02:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 21 2012,13:45)
Come back when you can articulate even one sentence of the theory I have been explaining to you.

Physician, heal thyself!

Date: 2012/12/22 00:52:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 22 2012,04:58)
That’s who I most have to be thankful for. Without them, the theory and I would be nowhere at all right now. And I wish I could find the words to express how much that means to me, how much I appreciate you/them. Without that I am at the mercy of an angry mob only acting to preserve an academic ideology/authority which does not even bother to study what they feel obliged to trash, regardless of how much sense it makes to those who genuinely have the ability to fairly judge it.

Date: 2012/12/22 04:37:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (mayanskeptic @ Dec. 22 2012,00:22)

we really enjoy your atheist forum

do a search on youtube for skepticality

a little souvenir

it is the video about the PIGS?

Aren't you in jail, Dennis?

Date: 2012/12/22 13:22:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Fuck me, you're worse than Columbo at leaving.

"Just thing more sir, one."

Date: 2012/12/23 13:59:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 23 2012,19:07)
Your excuse filled failure to follow the scientific method has been noted. If you cannot understand the theory then shame on you, not me.

Oh, come now Gary - we've been very scientific.

Hypothesis: Gary Gaulin is a crackpot.

Prediction: Gary will post gibberish; refuse to perform any kind of substantiative experiments; claim to be the victim of persecution at the hands of academia; post random Youtube videos.

Conclusion: Predictions confirmed - Gary is a crackpot.

Our next experiment is still being designed but it goes something like this....

Hypothesis: Gary Gaulin is a crackpot.

Prediction: Gary will land at yet another forum; he will offer up his theory for 'informal peer review'; people will tell him they've no idea what he's talking about; people will ask him what does his theory predict; Gary will complain that he's not there to answer questions from people who wouldn't know science from philosophy; people will start to laugh at Gary; Gary will start posting random Youtube videos and complaining about being bullied.

See? Science in action!

Date: 2012/12/23 15:19:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
OK, make sure you don't have anything in your mouth before continuing.

It seems that Gary, in his grand tour of the world wide web, came across an Islamic forum. For reasons best left to himself he believed this to be a fruitful avenue and so decided to lay on the Muslims some of his good shit.

Hi again! In case you remember me from past threads where we discussed issues pertaining to "evolutionary theory" and a theory of my own that Prophet Muhammad would approve of too, I have been working on it ever since and had to return to show how it improved.....followed by the usual dreck.

So much enthusiasm!

Now get ready for the first reply.....

I noticed you covered the origin of the Male and Female. Could you explain the logics of the female monthly periods? I mean, I know how it happens, but how is that 'intelligent design'?...Wouldn't life be better if they didn't have to bleed? I am not sure if I expressed myself clearly but perhaps you will see what I am trying to say.


From here....

Date: 2012/12/24 15:09:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Blimey, he's gone round the bend tonight.

Who's Kathy Martin? His sponsor?

Date: 2012/12/24 16:03:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
So Kathy Martin is this Kathy Martin....

And from the Curmudgeon....

Shocked, I know.

It seems that once upon a time Gary tried hawking his 'theory' to Kathy Martin who then penned him some words of encouragement.

Of course this is the same Gary who believes Planet Source Code awards bestow validity to his 'theory' so you can imagine how the blessing of Kathy Martin has affected him.

Date: 2012/12/25 06:10:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Interesting quote from 2009....
P.S. The last link (to the theory) is in preparation for publishing and is already being quietly taught in at least several hundred classrooms and growing.  I can consider that my revenge on those who wasted all that time and money telling people to stay the hell out of science, instead of welcoming and teaching them like I do.

Your theory is not (and has never been) taught in "at least several hundred classrooms".

Gary, you are living in a fantasy world. Let's hope 2013 will be the year you snap out of it.

Date: 2013/01/01 13:02:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
From Freddies FSTDT link....

Date: 2013/01/02 10:45:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, there's this site....

Attention Meter

....that apparently aggregates the data from a bunch of different web-traffic thingies. Here are the stats for Uncommonly Dense....

Looks good to me.

If only people would stop giving in to temptation and actually engaging the fools those graphs would look even healthier - you know who you are *scowls*.

Date: 2013/01/04 20:10:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 05 2013,00:23)
I would much rather study the work of a respected professor who actually studied and documented complex cellular behaviors, than believe the garbage I read in an AntiEvolution forum from political activists with no experience at all in the field.

Oh, I know...!

Date: 2013/01/09 02:01:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gaulin - A Life in Science
I am self-learner who studied electronics while in grade school by home correspondence courses for adults. Read university biology books especially where related to how brains and neurons work while the public schools bored me almost to death. Normally wished I were home to work on my more educational science projects. Seeing my peers who for the most part were instead into sports while growing up, go off to college to learn what I was already doing, was another slow-down as far as I was concerned. But I was envious of all the dorm parties they could attend, until I gave up the party-life that killed many of my friends while they were still young.

Becoming a teacher/educator was one of the last things I wanted to be. As a result I did not spend any time learning how to be a schoolteacher where one mostly studies pedagogy and other nonscientific things, I spent my time on things like trying to figure out how living things work. Ended up becoming known as a “mad scientist” especially after making the newspapers with a science project gone crazy that became known as Pirate Radio Station “W I Don't Know” which led me to the Connecticut School of Broadcasting which in turn led me to things like writing scientific material for ones in radio that were involved in the Seattle Grunge movement (Pearl Jam, Nirvana, etc.) but with no internet back then it was a fax-machine transmitted network for ones who use music and radio to communicate to the masses. After awhile I needed a break from that before going insane from the internal controversies and somewhat dark self-destructive nature of the industries that existed in radio at the time. It was like nothing came out uncorrupted. Then Kurt Cobain committed suicide and there were other deaths from addictions that in turn led to the Grunge movement falling apart.

I was soon enough into paleontology after discovering that what is like a mini-mountain range that runs through the yard of the house we bought (first home) had layer after layer of trace fossils in the almost unstudied East Berlin formation. The tracksite is now studied at the academic/university level, but much of the work is still ongoing and more complicated than it seems so there is still not yet much for published papers but academia works slowly so am patient. This spot in the formation was once the shoreline of a large lake at the very beginning of the Jurassic, which makes it special due to other sites only having underwater prints or too deep for good traces. The “Gaulin Tracksite” has already helped change local understanding of animal behavior in regards to track directionality. A public tracksite by the Connecticut River in the later Portland Formation might not be from a long migratory route with prints made from a herd passing through heading East as once thought, might instead be from following the shoreline in search of food. In this science I’m admittedly just an “amateur paleontologist” in comparison to ones who attended local colleges and U-Mass who are now experienced scientists in their field, but I’m happy with my niche that provides what others need to help make their career dreams come true. I do though have more than an average understanding and have been a part of local K-12 student activities, including classroom guest/celebrity. With my favorite sciences being intelligence and origins related I always kept up with new discoveries and trends, but had a number of other projects going on at one time.

Then the Discovery Institute started the ID controversy, which was my next calling. The theory they described sounding somewhat of a mix of the theory I was working on and describing (including science book I gave away a few hundred copies expected to also make it to Seattle culture-changers) during the Grunge years, gone crazy like the radio station did. I knew I had to do what I could to help solve the newest cultural scientific problem. Then later the “Expelled” movie upset me because of it not explaining any of the scientific details, was all politics with no theory. In trying real hard to find a way to show what the details were, what was needed to make the theory coherent pop into my mind. Then after wandering the internet with it for a few years challenging science forums, it got better then better and now I am here!*

What makes me of value to educators is a useful understanding of a number of sciences that came from how-to books and courses as well as resources they need to learn or teach with, not the having of the same knowledge they all learned in public school then college/university that is for the most part the same. If I were a science teacher then I would be constantly busy with grading papers and keeping up with what the state requires that is administrative and other things that have nothing to do with science. I'm instead constantly busy making the science that exists work in science itself, not the classroom where it's hard to know whether what is being taught is even worth teaching and most of the time is spent going over the same things every year. If I need to know whether the definition of theory and hypothesis that is taught in K-12 is functional or not (from my experience usually isn't) then I can ask an experienced scientist who knows and have a way to test it to see if it works in practice or not (from my experience it does).

* In another forum!

Date: 2013/01/09 10:49:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, it's page 50.

To celebrate how about giving us one fact about biology, intelligence, life, the universe and everything that was arrived at via your theory. Something novel; something that was previously unknown to the scientific community.

One fact.

Date: 2013/01/10 03:43:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 10 2013,09:00)
You're best to accept the things you cannot change, have courage to change the things you can, and the wisdom to know the difference...

Remind us again how many years you've spent visiting online forums and getting precisely nowhere....

Date: 2013/01/11 02:41:47, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/01/11 08:26:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, Gary.

You're in a desert, walking along in the sand and all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you. You reach down and flip the tortoise on its back.

The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over - but it can't. Not without your help.....but you're not helping.

Why is that Gary?

Date: 2013/01/12 12:13:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
From 2007.

I'm now working on another experiment that will recreate the prebiotic Earth, in an aquarium, complete with clouds, miniature volcano spewing gases, lightning, ocean, tides, etc.. The goal is to make parts of a cell from simple reactions that would have occurred after the planet started cooling.


Date: 2013/01/13 00:40:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Again, it's only ignored in this and other forums which only exist to stop it. Does excellent in all others, such as science education forums for teachers, and where programmers go for new ideas.

Then you'll have no problem in linking to these forums will you?

Please do so.

Date: 2013/01/13 12:47:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 13 2013,18:04)
I am not the kind of guy who invites nutcases to serious forums where you are not welcome. Sorry for having to be so polite, to those who deserve my respect (which by the way does not include you).

No, you're the kind of deluded forum nomad who imagines himself to be some kind of scientific maverick.

Gary, it's pointless trying to bullshit your way out of it. If your 'theory' really was being actively and seriously discussed online then you would be the first to link to it.

But it's not.

Google your name, Gary. What do you find? A series of links going back years to other forums where you've played out the same embarrassing routine time after time after time.

It is only in your head that you and your 'theory' are making the kind of impact you so desperately desire. Elsewhere, in the external world your 'theory' is a garbled, useless mess.

Sorry for having to be so polite.

Date: 2013/01/14 10:40:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
From Gaulin's link.

Click here to witness Gary's persistent delusion that Planet Source Code in some way endorsed his 'theory'.

Click here for some deja vu, Gaulin style.

Click here to see Gary just rambling on to himself.

So pretty much exactly the same deluded, paranoid gibberish he's been spewing for years.

Date: 2013/01/17 09:41:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 17 2013,15:37)
You must supply the missing circuit info to accurately model finch beak design.

I think I get it. It's just a matter of supplying a database with all the possible genome configurations and their attributes.

The Library of Mendel!

Date: 2013/01/20 10:26:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 20 2013,13:58)
now we can have dueling random bafflegab text generators

sayeth the other gary

In Islam one can achieve status as a theory is missing one or more genes can also send dirt particles flying or (as is the last resort and only has to be "random" is that the intelligence perceives it as an "intelligent" phenomenon for it to be taken another step as is demonstrated by the NSTA introducing a totally "Poof!" new concept to teaching with Kathy Martin and others who helped keep it academic to stay in its proper place. For example to falsely suggest that intelligent causation events, and other motor systems ceases to exist, until conditions improve and its terminology. a program is restarted therefore the assumption that the behavior that can slow down even stop a theory from being changed by what's in the cell one or more genes can also send dirt particles flying or (as is the only egg cell that does. Likewise, the cellular intelligence so simple it is not much beyond simple feedback driven guided 8) The number of reasons) to actually go crazy trying to answer questions from the Intelligence Design Lab that behaves like the real thing. I'm being more constructive to call in both sides of the issue, not getting it right leads to an earlier good question from the W I Dont Know radio station that helped make big things happen Ill just keep scrambling the information they need, to be "random" is that the NAB there is very bad where it did, and being nondeterministic are scientically entirely different things, therefore Quantum Mechanics is probabilistic knowledge gained from observing the behavior is very unpredictable. this universe. equally alive, a living cell, or living cells produced us. US President and ensures they have free speech to advertise. Liquor advertisements Because of going from particle-system to molecular intelligence a guess to be helping settle this scientific issue were scientifically useless. Sorry for having to accept what the "Industry" doesn't want the public hearing for the most rudimentary forms of locomotion, but coacervates meet the first place that someone promoting themselves as an "intelligent" phenomenon for it and/or provide a 3D understanding .

Gary's writing looks like one of those stereog.....hey, I can see a dolphin!

Date: 2013/01/21 13:55:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 21 2013,19:20)
It's help staying out of trouble in controversy ridden hard to navigate scientific territory where some things are how-to science these days, even though you just see its IDeas for without prejudice best serving all students and science, that you have a problem with.

Just out of curiosity, Gary, does that look like a sentence to you?

This prompts a bit of autobiographical esoterica.

When I used to smoke the very first cigarette of the day would send me a little bit 'high'. The effect was short but pleasant. I thus got into the routine of waking up, putting the alarm on snooze, smoking half a cigarette and letting myself nod off back to sleep in this blissful state.

While I was drifting away I would often see before me a page of text. The writing appeared grammatically correct but it was complete nonsense. I would find myself going back over the first couple of sentences and trying really hard to fathom what was written but the more I focused the harder it became until finally the nicotine rush would subside and I'd gradually wake up again.

Reading Gary's prose is a lot like those times only infinitely less pleasant.

Date: 2013/01/21 15:54:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 21 2013,21:42)
Being stuck in one relatively small area having to reduce things down to natural selection acting on random change is scientifically isolating. You're not starting off the next age of science with a model that starts with behavior of matter, to human behavior. Need that multiple level structure or you are not even close to modeling intelligent living things, only may seem that way.

Gary imagines himself to be a pioneer of the next age of science.

How many points is that worth?

Date: 2013/01/22 17:44:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hi, Gary.

We are here to make your move to a brand new forum as smooth as possible.

Date: 2013/01/25 09:57:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
I suppose the plummet in spam/new threads per month is down to O'Leary jumping ship to

Date: 2013/01/26 14:03:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
Ghosts are invariably bi-polar.

Date: 2013/01/26 14:39:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
Einstein would have gotten, like, five globes at Planet Source Code.

Date: 2013/01/27 15:53:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh, this is too good.

Gary now claims he is an ordained minister for the Church of the God Within. Seems legit, eh?

A quick Googling brings up this site.

Here's a taste....

Typical crazy But it gets better! Hey let's click on the title banner....NSFW!!!!

Whoops a daisy!... :O

Salon magazine did an article on 'Ordained Minister' Kellie Everts. Here's the front page.

So there we have it. I really don't know what to say. But, fuck this is some quality kinky tard we've unearthed!


Date: 2013/01/27 15:54:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Page bug thing.

Date: 2013/01/28 18:09:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, we want to know more about your time as an ordained minister in the Church of Sex.

Date: 2013/01/28 20:22:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 29 2013,00:44)
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 28 2013,18:09)
Gary, we want to know more about your time as an ordained minister in the Church of Sex.

I only want to know more about your life as a prostitute while living in the psychiatric hospital you were locked up in, for much of your life.

Had its ups and downs.

The hours were good but, oh, the smoked salmon was appalling.

Now your's rare we get anyone daft enough to enroll as a mail-order man of the cloth. And for such a kinky outfit, too!

Date: 2013/01/28 20:24:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey Joe, where you goin' with that flagellum in your hand?

Date: 2013/02/02 07:53:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 02 2013,12:57)
Get out of jerks! I'm serious too..


Date: 2013/02/03 13:15:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
I note with much amusement that our occasional Nuclear Calvinist hasn't been seen since the day when out of some tragically misplaced sense of Christian charity he promised to review Gary's 'theory'.

In other news....80 fucken' pages.

What's your record, Gary? At RatSkep you had two whole threads of this bollocks totaling 150 pages, give or take....can AtBC expect the same level of commitment this time around?

Date: 2013/02/06 02:35:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 06 2013,06:19)
At least this years-long trail through the internet will put the word out on the wire that this is serious science, and not a joke.

Date: 2013/02/07 09:53:46, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey, Mabus!

Do  you love dinosaur tracks and gibberish?

You do?

Well you couldn't do any better than hooking up with Gary Gaulin. I'm sure you'll find lots of things to talk about through the bullet-proof glass.

Date: 2013/02/11 12:42:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
I want to see Gaulin vs Mullings.

The best pound for pound fundamentalist spewer of dirge against the journeyman peddler of nonsensical gibberish.

Get it on!

Date: 2013/02/11 12:55:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
.....and a scientist of the highest order,

Fuck me.

Date: 2013/02/13 04:48:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
I did not include what I had to evidence the earlier events or explain the Cambrian Explosion in any detail, just as quickly as possible explained what this theory predicts.


Date: 2013/02/14 07:33:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 14 2013,11:43)
The Hunting of the Tard (An Agony in 8 Fits)

See, see the Evolution sky
Marvel at its big black depths.
Tell me, Gary do you
Wonder why the LaTex ignores you?
Why its foobly stare
makes you feel crapulent.
I can tell you, it is
Worried by your differential facial growth
That looks like
Tick marks.
What's more, it knows
Your sum billion potting shed
Smells of algae.
Everything under the big Evolution sky
Asks why, why do you even bother?
You only charm gravel.

sniff....that's beautiful, man....

Date: 2013/02/14 09:37:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 14 2013,14:53)
There is an interesting behavioral feature developing towards the end, where the foraging success rate is dropping yet the confidence is increasing (instead of dropping) indicating that it is happy with whatever it’s doing.....

So basically you created your bug in your own image.


Date: 2013/02/15 10:22:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (themartu @ Feb. 15 2013,14:53)
I could go on but won’t, I do enough of this in my day job. Your code is terrible, it is the sort of code being written (badly) about 15 years ago.



Date: 2013/02/17 12:00:19, Link
Author: Woodbine

This origin of intelligence theory explains the emergent origin of biological diversity and complexity of life on Earth (and detection of these features elsewhere in our Universe) as a product of intelligence, which here self-assembles from nonrandom behavior of matter into multiple self-similar levels of a four requirement cognitive system that over time learns (no select/selected/selection generalizations) and can take a guess (not take a mutation) and physically develops over a lifetime that for molecular intelligence lasts at least billions of years (hence the word evolve became redundant). The theory's unambiguous logical construct allowed for an operational definition for biological species that builds upon the standard accepted operational definition for chemical species, used in chemistry. This unified entire sciences such as Cognitive Theory, Cell Theory, Genetic Theory and Physics Theory including concepts from String Theory. And one requirement of this inherently controlling cognitive mechanism is a confidence level we consciously feel, which is vital to account for, for the theory to also be useful to artists, musicians, clergy and all interested in better knowing who and what we are, how we were created, and by process known as "chromosomal speciation" are related to a progenitor couple hereby colloquially named "Chromosomal Adam and Eve".

It's a thing of beauty.

Date: 2013/02/18 09:56:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 18 2013,15:34)
I now have other things I have to do to waste even more time as a direct result of your crusade, before we are homeless too. You have no idea what kind of damage your bullying has done to others.

You are mentally ill, Gary.

Date: 2013/02/18 15:02:46, Link
Author: Woodbine

What is your overall aim?

You visit various forums asking for 'informal peer review' and occasionally update your theory with new words or phrases....but to what end?

Are you close to a final version? And if you are - what next? What are you planning to do with your theory?

Date: 2013/02/18 16:50:00, Link
Author: Woodbine
Must've missed this one, Gary....

What is your overall aim?

You visit various forums asking for 'informal peer review' and occasionally update your theory with new words or phrases....but to what end?

Are you close to a final version? And if you are - what next? What are you planning to do with your theory?

I hope you find the time to answer these questions in between blaming your domestic troubles on random, unsolicited strangers on the internet.

Date: 2013/02/18 17:15:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 18 2013,22:51)
I am not sure what next. But it looks good enough to go to press that needed more work than we thought which I hope will be ready to roll for next week.

Gary you've been threatening to start printing for ages but you never do. (And I hope for your family's sake you don't further their misery by doing so)

But let's say you print off a load of pamphlets - what then? What are they for? Who are you expecting to read them?

You've been promoting your theory online for years now and getting absolutely nowhere, do you honestly believe a printed run will make the slightest bit of difference?

Date: 2013/02/18 21:22:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,02:57)
From what I learned from science history indicates that something making this much sense, causing this much ruckus, is an extremely good sign that the theory is scientifically important, historic.

You are deluded.

The 'ruckus' is entirely in your head. No one cares about your theory, Gary.

No one.

Ask yourself this question as honestly as you can:

Which is more likely?

A) You, Gary Gaulin, are at the helm of a new scientific theory of origins that will go down in history.


B) You, Gary Gaulin, are just one more nomadic internet fantasist who is incapable of waking up and smelling the coffee.

On the documentary basis of over five years of gibberish, persecution complexes and rambling biography I'm going with A. How about you?

Date: 2013/02/18 23:23:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
A? Really? There is no doubt in my mind the answer to your question is definitely "A". I would not put myself through this much self-torture where it was only a "B" not "at the helm of a new scientific theory of origins that will go down in history". Too bad there's no money in it, or at least not yet.


Rolf | December 8, 2012 1:22 AM
I gave up midways through the book. Maybe if he could take a clue from Gary Gaulin and make some diagrams we might understand what he is aiming at. His writing is after all a bit more coherent than GG’s.

But I pulled the book from the shelf today and may perhaps read the rest of it although I don’t have much hope of satori.

Because of the way I (like recently with Henry) add phrases in, while in a rush between other things, while the theory becomes more written down coherent, I can't worry about it noticeably being a work in progress. So to Rolf too I have to say: Thanks for the thumb up!

Are you actually autistic, Gary? Is that what's going on here? You have the unerring habit of not comprehending what is actually being said while simultaneously confusing the hell out of everyone you come into contact with.

...while the theory becomes more written down coherent...


Date: 2013/02/19 13:20:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:49)
This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews from ones who are genuinely interested in this area of science/programming.

Please provide links to the 'excellent reviews' of your 'theory'.

Hint: Planet Source Code awards don't count.

Date: 2013/02/19 16:39:37, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 19 2013,13:20)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:49)
This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews from ones who are genuinely interested in this area of science/programming.

Please provide links to the 'excellent reviews' of your 'theory'.

Hint: Planet Source Code awards don't count.

We were already through this earlier. I’m not interested in competing in another pissing contest, and I doubt any concerned want to get stuck in the middle so you soak them too.


You are quite happy to claim your 'theory' has received positive reviews but when asked to back it up you start crying.

The fact is you can't point to any positive reviews of your 'theory'.

Date: 2013/02/20 02:08:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:49)
This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews from ones who are genuinely interested in this area of science/programming.

Gary, how can you accuse people of ignoring things you steadfastly refuse to provide?

You would have to at least give us links to these "excellent reviews" in order for us to even have a chance to ignore them.

So, stop stalling and show us these excellent reviews.

I'm not holding my breath, though. If you had received any substantive support for your 'theory' you would be falling over yourself to tell people about it - your tragic Planet Source Code signature is proof of this.

Date: 2013/02/20 02:18:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, demonstrate how scientifically useless we all are by showing us the "excellent reviews.

Date: 2013/02/20 02:41:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 20 2013,08:31)
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 20 2013,02:08)
Gary, how can you accuse people of ignoring things you steadfastly refuse to provide?

Time for another demonstration of how scientifically useless this place is:

Nice try, Gary!

You accused this forum of "ignoring excellent reviews".

Here are your own words....

This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews....

But you refuse to link to any of these "excellent reviews".

How can we ignore something we have never seen, Gary?

So, again, stop stalling and provide the reviews.

Date: 2013/02/20 07:33:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey, Gary!

I'm sure you simply forgot (what with all the science you're doing) but would you please show us the "excellent reviews" you spoke of earlier?

You wouldn't want people to think you were lying about these "excellent reviews" would you?


Date: 2013/02/20 09:14:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 20 2013,14:22)
P.S.  In order to get current with what's happening in science I'm ignoring the usual whiners who have nothing better to do than shove words in my mouth and complain.

I agree wholeheartedly, Gary. There's nothing worse than people putting words in your mouth. It's better for everyone when you can quote people verbatim.

Like this...

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:49)
This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews from ones who are genuinely interested in this area of science/programming.

See, that's much better!

Gary, please show us the "excellent reviews" for your theory.

Date: 2013/02/20 11:13:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 20 2013,17:06)
The Python language is currently about as popular as Visual Basic but it's still climbing in the ratings.

It must have had some excellent reviews, then.

Oh, that reminds me!

Gary, could you please show us the "excellent reviews your theory has allegedly received.


Date: 2013/02/20 21:49:36, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 21 2013,01:05)
Francisco J. Ayala and Mario Coluzzi, “Systematics and the Origin of Species: Chromosome speciation: Humans, Drosophila, and mosquitoes”,  PNAS 2005 102:6535-6542; doi:10.1073/pnas.0501847102

 Harewood Louise, Schuetz Frederic, Boyle Shelagh, et al., “The effect of translocation-induced nuclear reorganization on gene expression”, Genome Research, Volume: 20, Issue: 5, Pages: 554-564, DOI: 10.1101/gr.103622.109, May 2010

 The 44 Chromosome Man, And What He Reveals About Our Genetic Past, The Tech Museum, 2010

Phew, look at all those links!

Gary, you must have a whole folder's worth of links to useful and pertinent information - any real scientist would, and you are most definitely a real scientist.

Bearing this in mind could you please link us to those "excellent reviews" you mentioned here...

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:49)
This forum is another that likes to ignore the excellent reviews from ones who are genuinely interested in this area of science/programming.

If you cannot then you should retract the claim that your theory has received "excellent reviews" as soon as possible - that's what a real scientist would do as I'm sure you are aware.

We look forward to those links, Gary.

Date: 2013/02/21 01:47:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
So I put gary gaulin intelligent design into Google image search....


Date: 2013/02/21 10:59:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
K.E. will you accept PayTard?

edit: fuck 100 pages


Date: 2013/02/22 21:12:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Does your theory predict when you will get around to showing us those "excellent reviews", Gary?

Date: 2013/02/23 08:52:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2013,14:33)
The theory has already been successful.........A million dollars worth of the usual outreach programs likely cannot match the interest in SB this very challenging theory is already generating.

More delusional claims, Gary.

Your 'theory' is generating precisely zero interest, it has not been successful and neither has it received excellent reviews.

How many more years are you going to keep lying to yourself, your family, and everyone who has ever had the misfortune to meet you online?

You are ill, Gary.


Date: 2013/02/23 22:35:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
And without a drop of self-awareness William. J. Murray comes out with....

Date: 2013/02/26 12:19:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
For Gary 'informal peer review' = spell-check.

Everything else = bullying.

Date: 2013/02/27 13:05:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
From that though we get an illustration where the image in a famous painting makes a pointer that shows intelligent cause galore emerging up to us, and due to reciprocal case has a pathway in the other direction to where our consciousness comes from. You only have to lighten up a little while I explain how the theory connects to the everything is energy realm in a religiously meaningful way, to help better answer some of our biggest of questions.

Date: 2013/03/04 03:51:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
You only have to agree that where kept to that exactly that, they were right by being approving of that theory of ID terminology. At no time do you have to credit the DI, just all else outside of there, that you can say the DI is powerless against (but can adapt to).

And that was the 'fixed' version.

Date: 2013/03/06 16:42:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Become a DI Fellow.

Just throw up a few blogs whining about Darwin, Hitler et al....$25,000 a year.

We won't tell, promise.

Date: 2013/03/06 17:19:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Over at the Gaulin Tracksite blog we are greeted with....

Nice one, Gary. If that doesn't ignite our children's curiosity then nothing will.


Ignoring the terrible writing I am left wondering; what is this 'science-house'?

Date: 2013/03/09 19:54:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 10 2013,00:57)
The contrast in opinions between those with a religious ax to grind and those who fairly judged the computer model and theory speaks for itself.

Gary once again refers to these 'excellent reviews' but despite being the next Galileo he just can't bring himself to actually produce them for others to see.

You are fooling nobody but yourself, Gary.

Date: 2013/03/21 07:03:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
You really are mental aren't you Gary?

I mean properly fucking paranoid deluded tin-foil hat mental.

Date: 2013/03/21 09:14:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 21 2013,14:46)
Not giving names (or screen-names) helps prevent defamatory harassment that would jeopardize their careers and/or reputations.

It also helps establish your delusional state.

Q:  Why is it that despite being in contact with various scientists/teachers for years your 'theory' continues to be a load of incomprehensible rubbish?

A:  It's because these people don't exist.

They exist only in your imagination, Gary. Phantom voices egging you on while your family picks up the pieces.

You are ill.

Date: 2013/03/21 17:30:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
"Tell them your name."


"Hoohooo...haha...are you a real scientist, Gary?"


"Hoohoo...haha....then why do you dress up like one!?"

Date: 2013/03/22 07:25:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 22 2013,12:02)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 21 2013,19:18)
Gary, does your bug learn anything from repeated failure?

Yes, it learns what not to do.

So it's light years ahead of you then.

Date: 2013/03/23 02:26:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 23 2013,03:42)
And is a good compromise to leave it at that, in this forum, that ends up putting them in the music in weirdly complimentary way for having made it there to join me sort of thing, not something to stress over for having happened to them too, along the way to where we are at right now.

Another keeper for the swelling 'Gibberish' archives!

Date: 2013/03/31 17:35:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 31 2013,23:14)
If you want to see what you look like, then picture yourself saying that the thought of sifting through 40 pages of Darwinian theory is horrifying and refuse to study any of it....

Darwin is readable, though.

Gary, you seem unable to comprehend that your writing is absolutely terrible.

You are also a paranoid lunatic.

The combination of these two facts is the reason no one gives a shit about your world-changing science.

Date: 2013/03/31 17:39:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 31 2013,22:13)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 31 2013,12:13)
Gary, your ideas are nearly unreadable, as everyone has told you.  The thought of sifting through 40 pages of that is horrifying.

I heard the excuses, and if it is also too much trouble for you to read the theory then don't ask me to waste even more of my time having to spoon-feed it to you like a baby.

It's hilarious how many times Gary has come out with the "I'm not wasting any more time...." line. Even more so when you see it on page 135.

135 pages, Gary!

135 pages of getting precisely nowhere.


Date: 2013/04/01 01:08:46, Link
Author: Woodbine
And before I came to this forum Casey gave me free legal advice in regard to what is legally over the line enough to easily win a case for that can come at me from places like this. Where reversed upon Wesley, it would be like someone anonymously calling campus security where they are working to report that their loss of mind is endangering the lives of all in the building they are in, when the truth that was stretched out of proportion is that they needed to use a small amount of flammable liquid to patch around the air conditioning unit that let water pour in every time it rained. That would be over the line, but with all that is involved in bringing it to court it's not an easy case to win. Best it blow over with any they might have been spreading rumors to having figured out what is really going on. In my case since it came from a forum anyone having to investigate such a thread would get to check out the theory at work, and get paid for it, so if they end up seeing why this would happen to me then the theory and I won there by it becoming something to tell others about at their office.

Were you rocking back and forth when you wrote this?

Date: 2013/04/02 17:37:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
From Robin's link we see clues as to Gary's tardus operandi....

I had to get used to it. Became a scientific method that moves the most controversial theory in all of science from place to place while assimilating useful knowledge (being hurled at it) is an excellent way to improve a scientific theory over time. But some forums more like need to be conquered.

Although in serious forums for discussing math or science it’s not always needed, I can rely on my radio and broadcasting school background when the going gets tough, like it’s then media programming where I’m a science shock-jock that broadcasts from forums that makes it tough going for them.

And why people don't understand him....

And now Ben is picking on my “odd” grammar!....
Some oddness may be from your not being used to the required intelligence science terminology that I have to use in order for the science part to fully make sense together.

See? You aren't enough brainy!!


edit: Holy shit he is demented.

Even though the theory is not at all supernatural, its religious implications still make us like the chosen for a most sacred mission to more or less deliver scientific revelation, which does happen. But there is no opening up of the sky with singing angels flying around it’s scientific knowledge that helps explain how we were created, our Creator, and makes sense in context of Genesis and similar accounts. Clergy of all kind are thankful. This is even the kind of thing that makes saints/ prophets, so you never know.

Date: 2013/04/06 22:59:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just a bit of housekeeping.

I Googled 'NAIS message board' and found this...

I'm not that Woodbine in case anyone wondered. I've never been to NAIS in my life and will fight anyone who suggests otherwise!


Date: 2013/04/07 02:04:57, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/04/13 08:36:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 13 2013,07:45)
My day job got busier than usual, which helped pay the bills and with income tax return has us at least for now caught up on mortgage again. Remaining time was also well spent on the model.

Do you sound like Borat, too?

Date: 2013/04/16 01:45:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 16 2013,07:26)
What is the proper phrase for a guess that works most of the time (cannot be a "random guess") and does not necessarily have to be made by something that is smart, intelligent, educated, etc.?


Date: 2013/04/16 02:42:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 16 2013,08:05)
Quote (Woodbine @ April 16 2013,01:45)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 16 2013,07:26)
What is the proper phrase for a guess that works most of the time (cannot be a "random guess") and does not necessarily have to be made by something that is smart, intelligent, educated, etc.?


A "luck guess"? Or one that easily works most of the time because it's most of the time correct is a "lucky guess" not a "good guess"? If that is the case then guessing that the Sun will rise in the east (like it normally does) is sheer "luck" when it does.

Nice try, but that is almost as useless of an answer as the one from the nitwit with the TARD hat who came up with "queef".

Luck or Cunning?

Date: 2013/04/16 14:50:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Get offa ma lawn!!

Date: 2013/04/24 21:50:59, Link
Author: Woodbine
Maybe Gary is like a vampire. But a retarded one.

Perhaps he is trapped in this forum until somebody invites him to opposed to just telling him to piss off?

Date: 2013/04/25 14:14:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Someone kick Nick Matzke in the balls to deter him from posting over there.

People can't resist touching the poop.

Date: 2013/04/26 08:46:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2013,11:49)
And FYI our financial situation that has us back to not being able to afford paying bills is causing my wife to pressure me to take serious (possibly legal) action against ones who have been funding attacks against my work while barring me from funding, or at least get completely out of this forum and stop work on the theory. Either way, your protest is a science stopper that I cannot afford, and expecting more from me is scientifically and socially irresponsible.

Even for Gary that's pretty high on the paranoid delusion scale.

Gary you are deranged, mentally ill, a nutcase.

Listen to your wife....not the voices.

Date: 2013/04/26 10:40:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2013,15:16)
I would rather just continue my work, than have to spend the next months preparing a legal case....

A legal case against whom? And for what?

My biggest waste of time right now is this forum, which is why I'm becoming upset by all the ridiculous demands that expect me to spend all my time answering demeaning questions.

Oh, if only there were a solution to this awful predicament!

Does your family realise just how ill you are, Gary?

Date: 2013/04/26 10:41:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (damitall @ April 26 2013,16:07)
OK, which of you guys is being funded to attack Giggles?

Where's my share?

It's all coming from the CBEB slush fund.

Date: 2013/04/26 13:51:57, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2013,19:23)
Quote (Quack @ April 26 2013,11:13)
Gary, in all earnest and with the best intentions:

I dont think anyone here has any desire or intention of doing you harm in any thinkable way.

That's why I'm not in favor of going on a legal rampage like my wife is very OK with.


Assuming she actually exists I'm feeling increasingly sympathetic for Gary's wife. How must it feel to be married to a deluded internet troll?

Date: 2013/04/26 21:42:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ April 27 2013,03:33)
Gary Gaulin = Larry Farfarman

That's a pretty good analogy. All we need now is Gary's wife to join AtBC begging him to stop.

Date: 2013/04/28 21:29:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Arctodus23 @ April 28 2013,15:00)
Nick Matzke hasn't been banned yet.

[quote:Nicm Matzke, April 17th, 20;14]I recommend you try these arguments in the next court case. Waving one’s hand to dismiss scientific literature on exactly the question at hand with excuses, attempts to change the subject, and mischaracterizations of the literature will certainly work for sure next time!

And, the evolutionary origin of the vertebrate immune system, which was brought up by Behe himself, for goodness’s sake! You can’t just go say ID is not about the immune system, but instead about the origin of life and the Cambrian explosion.

Why not? Is it because Leathers want's a challenge? I don't know...

Because he's 'famous'.

As long as he keeps popping up the cretins at UD will assume they are relevant.

Date: 2013/04/29 12:53:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 29 2013,15:04)
The art of bringing quixotic to life is for the extravagantly chivalrous actions to be in practical pursuit of ideals that we all like better even you, once you figure out what it is that is there.

Typos are the least of your literary worries.

Date: 2013/04/30 22:43:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
Programming break over! Back to finishing the eyes. Which reminds to say that no Quack I have to stay on this track, but the latest protest at PSC but model still there with it not going past that is all you really need to hold you in what happens in feedback, where it ends then that's it issue all over for good. But in keeping the model in-spirit with what it in culture expresses it needs to somehow be cotton-eyed with a glowing screen like this:

Utter gibberish.

Date: 2013/05/12 14:07:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 12 2013,19:18)
At least I have actual models and theory, and all you have are defamatory statements that came out of your quote-mine.

No you don' have:

A: 40 pages of gibberish

B: A non-sequitur poorly coded in Visual Basic.

C: A massive persecution complex.

D: Delusions of grandeur.

Generally speaking you are mentally ill....but you know that bit already.

Date: 2013/05/14 12:54:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary sure does waste a lot of time declaring he's no longer going to waste his time here....
The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

That's why I have not been wasting all my time trying to please ones with fingers in their ears at forums like this one....

And I'm done wasting my time in your little hell-hole.

You are so FOS I'm not wasting time responding to your nutcase rant.

That's the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here....

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad.

I have no interest in wasting time, proving nothing.

My problem is usually from wasting too much time trying to be too careful....

And more wasting of my time searching for quotes in over 100 pages of text while they endlessly throw mud in order to make me look like a liar.

If you are unable to ask a scientific question, then I am not wasting my time answering your unscientific BS.

....I'm hoping to get some work done on the computer model instead of wasting a day answering that junk.

I'm done wasting my time answering to your asinine accusations.

I'm seriously much better off not wasting any more time trying to communicate with hopeless nutcases.

The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.


Poor, deranged fool. This thread is probably his only contact with the outside world.

Date: 2013/05/14 19:39:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
I really enjoyed Mark's articles at TR back in the '00s and it was through reading his articles that I got interested in the whole ID debacle.

And I believe I remember Dembski, cretin that he is, responding to one of Perakh's takedowns by alluding to Mark's heritage with some ill-judged remark about Russia being a land of drunks.

Stay classy, Dembski....(wretch)

Date: 2013/05/16 12:20:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 16 2013,09:31)
I'm often around science educators and sometimes they visit here. Can honestly say, by the busload.

What's the length of this bus, Gary?

Date: 2013/05/17 17:33:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 17 2013,15:12)
You can maybe work on that, while I'm off to my paying day-gig again.

Use protection.

Date: 2013/05/18 13:49:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Sal Cordova @ 18:48)
I’ve been barred from speaking at talks by YEC because I didn’t pass their theological inquisition and because I’m quite willing to be critical of YEC claims…

That's not the reason, Sal.

It's because you're a cunt.

Date: 2013/05/18 21:24:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 19 2013,00:12)
But I have good news! Paleontologist Patrick Getty was here today (with a small caravan of other paleontologists/geologists including one who has a large dinosaur trackway tattoo running up his arm) with word that an important paper has been published by paleontologist Sebastain Dalman  on the Gaulin Tracksite specimens that are at the Springfield Science Museum.

Hahahaha you just know how that bus ride went....

Okay, guys, just get what you need and get out. Try not to talk to the guy if at all possible. It's likely he'll try and give you a copy of his latest 'theory'; just smile and say 'thankyou'....don't engage him in conversation and under no circumstances give him your personal details, e-mail address etc.

Now, you may see some distressing sights whilst we are there. After years of having to care for him his wife is in a terrible state and might beg you for help - stay firm, there's nothing we can do. While it's awful what he must be putting his family through we are not mental health experts. Stick to your task and we'll be fine.

Date: 2013/05/19 23:31:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
Put down the Coast 2 Coast AM.

Step away from the Coast 2 Coast AM.

Date: 2013/05/19 23:39:51, Link
Author: Woodbine

Yeah, I'm sure she will, Phil.

Every single UD regular is completely fucking deranged.

Date: 2013/05/20 11:22:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 20 2013,03:38)
I have important science work to attend to.

Such as 'How many spiders can I eat before Dr. Seward finds out?'.

Date: 2013/05/24 05:50:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm bored.

I fancy reading something agrammatical and opaque; something that's unafraid to skip between the past and present tenses; something that reads like the deranged ramblings of a mental patient who has no idea what is going on around him....

I've got just the thing!


This origin of intelligence theory explains the emergent origin of biological diversity and complexity of life on Earth (and detection of these features elsewhere in our Universe) as a product of intelligence, which here self-assembles from nonrandom behavior of matter into multiple self-similar levels of a four requirement cognitive system that over time learns (no select/selected/selection generalizations) and can take a guess (not take a mutation) and physically develops over a lifetime that for molecular intelligence lasts at least billions of years (hence the word evolve became redundant). The theory's unambiguous logical construct allowed for an operational definition for biological species that builds upon the standard accepted operational definition for chemical species, used in chemistry. This unified entire sciences such as Cognitive Theory, Cell Theory, Genetic Theory and Physics Theory including concepts from String Theory. And one requirement of this inherently controlling cognitive mechanism is a confidence level we consciously feel, which is vital to account for, for the theory to also be useful to artists, musicians, clergy and all interested in better knowing who and what we are, how we were created, and by process known as "chromosomal speciation" are related to a progenitor couple hereby colloquially named "Chromosomal Adam and Eve".

100% un-cut gibberish....and that's only the abstract.

Date: 2013/05/25 03:24:34, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/05/27 05:19:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Enoch's spaceship thing, I reckon.

Edit: Oh, it's made of rock....

Enoch's rock spaceship, then.

Date: 2013/05/27 05:29:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 27 2013,04:18)
And I am not writing a hypothesis, I am writing a theory. In fact today I got some more work done on its new ID Lab software which is coming out great! It now starts up with a full-screen as large as the computer monitor for the users PC and the code is much more streamlined, even though sorting it out into modules did slow it down, as I expected.

My god....a program that somehow 'knows' how big the screen is!

This is clearly revolutionary stuff, even that homo Fermat couldn't help straying into the margins!

So, Gary how are your symptoms today? Are you still holding hypothetical dialogues with invented confederates? Still lying to your wife about the necessity of your 'work'? Still basking in the glow of imaginary reviews?

You are?


Date: 2013/05/28 11:41:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 28 2013,07:57)
Before getting sidetracked again I have to add that in this case the "mercury orbits venus" makes the very poorly composed (and should be changed but the conditional is still testable) hypothesis false before reaching the "velociraptors wrote in cursive" which really makes no sense at all, but where the cognitive system that formed it is a child's brain (or machine intelligence that is just beginning to form theories about these concepts) it still leads to other hypotheses to learn from, from which it can eventually discover why this hypothesis really makes no sense.

Hey, Gary.

You know how everywhere you go nobody has any fucking idea what you're blathering on about?

Of course you do, of course you do.....

Well, that 'paragraph' is a fine example of just how utterly atrocious your writing is. And your 'theory' consists of 50 pages of that kind of tripe.

Date: 2013/05/29 11:58:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Looking at this.....

....are we absolutely sure this cretin didn't just hire a gown and mortarboard and crash some un-witting grad ceremony?

Date: 2013/05/30 01:05:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 30 2013,06:23)
But with all considered: I feel no remorse, and have to expect the newest wave of deep pocket retaliation for having had to make fools out of ones who unsuccessfully worked so hard to make a fool out of me...

And thus was cemented another brick in Gary's wall of delusion.

This is an example of how Gary's persecution narrative is constructed. In this case he believes he has won some rhetorical skirmish on an internet forum - and as a result of this poke in the eye it is only a matter of time before the real world retaliates.

For Gary the die is cast, and being a superstitious man any future misery he or his family suffers can be safely put down to those same dark forces who have monitored and suppressed Gary's work from the beginning.

In short - Gary is out to lunch.

Date: 2013/05/30 08:17:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 30 2013,08:16)
Quote (Woodbine @ May 30 2013,01:05)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 30 2013,06:23)
But with all considered: I feel no remorse, and have to expect the newest wave of deep pocket retaliation for having had to make fools out of ones who unsuccessfully worked so hard to make a fool out of me...

And thus was cemented another brick in Gary's wall of delusion.

This is an example of how Gary's persecution narrative is constructed. In this case he believes he has won some rhetorical skirmish on an internet forum - and as a result of this poke in the eye it is only a matter of time before the real world retaliates.

For Gary the die is cast, and being a superstitious man any future misery he or his family suffers can be safely put down to those same dark forces who have monitored and suppressed Gary's work from the beginning.

In short - Gary is out to lunch.

Maybe I should add that most of the direct retaliation comes from nutcases like Woodbine and Nomad. Entities that get millions at a time from places like the Templeton Foundation, such as BioLogos, only needs to banish my comments for complaining about their defamatory pseudoscience in order to keep the well organized deception that I'm up against going strong against me. It's a very sinister form of scientific corruption (some don't even though they are caught up in) where singling out an entire segment of the population which also destroys people like myself fills the pockets of someone else. Only need to be good at making believe the sky is falling, to get a multimillion dollar grant to keep it up in the air, then all are happy with the outcome when the sky doesn't fall.

I can't really fathom what Gary is trying to say here (nor can Gary - let's be honest). But apparently I am owed a substantial amount of money.


Or something.

Date: 2013/05/30 09:16:33, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Febble @ May 30 2013,15:08)
Talking of Joe and Dembski - Joe is always saying I'm too chickenshit to write to Dembski.

Actually, I've done so twice now.

No response.

Who is a chickenshit again?

Thing is you're a woman and Dembski's a Baptist.

Ain't no way he's gonna field any questions from no uppity female. Know your place!

Date: 2013/05/30 12:18:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
You idiots.

Ya see when Joe says 'largest' he actually means the number's size and weight.

You boxing.

Date: 2013/05/30 14:26:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
These 'online resources' there any indication as to where these are going to come from? Or is it just going to be another link farm?

Date: 2013/05/30 15:38:28, Link
Author: Woodbine

Fucking blabbermouth.

No CBEB office party invite for you this year.

Date: 2013/05/31 01:35:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 31 2013,06:57)
The best way to undermine your anti-scientific agenda is to go underground and dig-up the truth that you need to stay buried.

Date: 2013/05/31 03:35:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 31 2013,09:25)
Why do you think the NCSE would demand that teachers teach that such theories are never to be tested?

The NCSE have 'demanded' no such thing.

Deluded fool.

Date: 2013/05/31 04:28:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (damitall @ May 31 2013,10:01)
I guess the only reason Giggles keeps coming here is to feed his persecution complex.

I think the main reason is that he's exhausted practically everywhere else.

The internet is littered with Gary's repeated failed attempts to generate any traction for his 'theory'. Therefore those unvisited forums which Gary might once have believed to be receptive to his ideas already know of him and the arc of gibberish his arrival heralds.

Plus nobody's going to ban him at AtBC (which must really confuse his persecution complex) and here he at least gets to interact with other humans.

Date: 2013/05/31 04:35:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (damitall @ May 31 2013,10:01)
Would the time not be better spent promulgating his "theory" to the eager masses?

He's threatened on many occasions to be only days away from a print run....but it never happens.

Tragically, though predictably, Gary hasn't the faintest notion of what good it will do to waste even more time and money printing a 50 page book of Vogon tripe.

Despite this I guarantee he still harbours this fantasy of printing presses thundering away while the Darwin Wall collapses around Wesley's feet...blah...blah....

Date: 2013/05/31 07:57:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 31 2013,13:35)
Quote (Woodbine @ May 31 2013,03:35)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 31 2013,09:25)
Why do you think the NCSE would demand that teachers teach that such theories are never to be tested?

The NCSE have 'demanded' no such thing.

Deluded fool.

Oh, then the NCSE is in favor of public school science teachers showing students how to test established theories and discard them where they think they found a weakness?

Was that an implicit retraction of your contention that the NCSE would "demand that teachers teach that such theories are never to be tested"?

Date: 2013/05/31 09:10:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 31 2013,15:01)
Where in the model that is explained in the theory are some form of If..Then.. questions/statements absolutely required or else it doesn't work?

This is total gibberish, Gary.

It is not is not any language on Earth.

No-one, Gary.


Date: 2013/05/31 16:22:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ May 31 2013,21:47)
this brain damaged lunatic with shit manners is still at it?


Giggles you are persistently a dumbfuck

Oh look what the cat dragged in!

What time do you call this?


Date: 2013/06/01 16:14:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (timothya @ June 01 2013,21:38)
This one from Sal has almost done my head in:
Darwin’s Delusion vs. Death of the Fittest
Can a sentient being please explain what he means? My brain hurts.

You only have to read the last paragraph....

We have models from nature that show “death of the fittest” better describes what’s going on in nature, and the notion of “survival of the fittest implies inevitable improvement with each generation” is Darwin’s, Dennett’s, and Dawkins’ delusion (DDDD). understand what's going on.

It's simply Cordova being the miserable, misrepresenting, disingenuous, slimy little bastard he is and always will be. Nothing to see here.

Date: 2013/06/01 16:17:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh please someone introduce Gary to Slimy Sal....maybe get a guest post on UD....make it happen!

Date: 2013/06/01 16:43:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Are you part of the Dharma initiative, Gary?

And unless you post that stupid picture a certain number of times a week the world ends?

Or is it OCD? A picture a day makes the voices go away?

Date: 2013/06/02 05:02:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
....and try to take my wife’s advice to get out of all forums like this one before it does further damage to my health and welfare which she is now seriously worried about because of nightmares that have me talking and fighting in my sleep, which had her sleeping on the couch more than once after almost getting kicked clear off the bed.

Fuck me.

Mods....I'm conflicted about asking this but maybe a mercy bannination is in order?

Date: 2013/06/02 09:41:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 02 2013,15:03)
Taking away my ability to counter this rumor-mill that constantly misquotes my statements and takes things I say out of context would not. But perhaps you would first have to be in my shoes for awhile to know why dictatorial tactics will not work.

Tell the divorce court, not me.

Date: 2013/06/03 12:15:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 03 2013,08:36)
Even with the mud-slinging still going strong I finally made some progress on the ID-Lab2 software!

I figured, since all great theories of science are supposed to have weird stories behind them I can just let them say what they will. Charles Darwin had a divinity degree but not a respectable science degree like his critics, who (as previous discussed) trashed him real good in newspapers and magazines. The internet changed how scientists communicate, and radio changed how the masses communicate, which in my case I was introduced to in a unique way by long ago an AI radio DJ science project gone crazy making a real-life “Radio Pirate” of me.

Even though I thought it was the end of my world to have to live with that reputation, I was able to coherently petition the FCC for airspace for a tiny amount of power. Cordless or cell-phone power was fine by me, but such small power was not in the rules and having to estimate running 7000 watts or so for a “Class A” license all radio space was filled. Due to others petitioning the FCC lower power licenses were eventually made available, but at the time I tried to make that possible the radio broadcast industry was worried about by the year 2000 completion from that and from new ways to broadcast (satellite, internet) the FM band would only good for Citizens Band amateur radio (that came before fax and cell phones) type use and large-investment stations would be worthless.

I just happened to be in the at the right time and place to end up in the middle of a very major radio broadcast industry issue where from their perspective it was me against them when my goal was to complement what’s already there to help liven things up in a science minded way to help keep FM across the nation going through the rough times that were ahead. I sensed needing to somehow explain myself, real quick, which led to flight-mode in a T-Bird with sporty wheels and V-8 all chromed up with Edelbrock to the Connecticut School of Broadcasting, where to spite fears of not fitting in I soon felt right at home.

I then made connections and kept in touch with the commercial broadcast “industry” talent via fax machine then by the time low power licenses were available there came the Internet everyone moved to, which is where I most likely best belong anyway. My advice to engineers and others who read the dire industry magazine predictions for the FM band was not to worry, instead plan for good times ahead. Best case scenario is like back in the 60’s but with a real “science revolution” in the air that lasts forever in comparison to a Hippy type movement.

The way movements come and go we had to get through the Grunge movement era then reflect on how that ended before there could be something that starts by mixing oil and water with a little egg yolk that leads to theory that has the scientific establishment all shook up, but in a good way that all I know at UMass are OK with. It’s not inherently against academia, just a paradigm shift of sorts and with their having the book for Arnold Trehub online and my STEM teacher classes (one on ID) that I attended (and with my wife) you can honestly say that local colleges and universities helped make it happen, in part by simply not minding the mayhem like here in this forum. It’s nothing new to them, and Kansas is doing so well right now the KCFS forum for fighting ID is now just an archive of how the aftermath of the public hearing went after that. Kathy Martin came out looking good even though she was public enemy number one of the scientific community for having seen value in at least trying to follow the evidence from there to see where it leads before declaring that the Theory of Intelligent Design is scientifically impossible. Her shocking stimuli mostly brought the right people together for a two-term group learning experience that led to the Theory of Intelligent Design that came from Seattle to stir everything up, no longer a divisive issue that needs the KCFS forum to battle on with. That happening is in part from being ahead of the curve on very challenging wave to ride-out, where all can look back with something to their credit that’s the envy of their peers, regardless of how hopelessly crazy some (or all) were said to be.

For what it’s worth, having fun with science this way has good times behind and ahead for ones who were once scientifically powerless and left tearing themselves to pieces from what the Discovery Institute brought to Kansas, to on their own figure out. A happy ending even there indicates that the theory writing project can be surprisingly empowering, to ones who never experienced the thrill of helping to establish a new scientific paradigm. It now stands on its own scientific merit, where in turn Darwinian evolutionary theory becomes something else that is irrelevant to the real scientific issues, which keeps them equally separated. The theory never needs the word “evolution” so whatever the other theory defines it as and calls things does not change.

Wesley can go on and enjoy life too. Just have to accept that this Theory of Intelligent Design working out is a blessing, especially artists who thrive on being on the wave of something good enough to cause this panic among those who vowed to defeat it. It’s not hard. I was even impressed how he came in right after Dylan with no alibies for someone getting stupid with their email address.

Getting back to the new software, I kept working on it until all that’s around the “Confidence” module (other 3 modules that forms its circuit) is good enough to go, which just happens to be where the If..Then.. statements go. The “hypothesis” is after the “conditional" part of the question, the “antecedent“ as in earlier example is only the “Velociraptors wrote in cursive” part that comes after the word “then”. As in the ice not sinking seeming logical where only know that liquid water gets denser as it gets colder, that does not change the result of experiment, or has to spell out how to perform it. After the experiment is performed (for the second part only) the first part can become nonsense. But that does not change the hypothesis that only cares about what velociraptor behavior actually was, which is not tested by what orbits something else in outer space.

Where the two parts of the If..Then.. are this way separated it becomes easier to make the Confidence module work with the Guess module to form a two part statement where it does turn out that it’s the Guess (only) that is ultimately tested, which could also have been “Velociraptors did not write in anything” which has a very good chance of being true.

The best way to add hypothesis generation into the new ID Lab is to give the Confidence module a text area to write in If..Then.. statements that get tested which control behavior towards different things. It’s harder to code in a parser that will not slow it down but Wesley helps make the added complication more worthwhile. I’m now at that exact part of the program where forming hypotheses should end up being child’s play but I never went into that much detail before. In having caught up on that I’m now where Wesley most wants me, where hypotheses are expected to come from. But I can now see what Merriam-Webster is describing especially #3 that comes from having Confidence and Guess hooked up together like they are in the computer model.

Confidence levels direct good as possible Guesses in the second module, from logic that senses whether it’s the forward/reverse motors that are off of left/right thrust is needed, which selectively changes the structure to be (as per Richard Feynman) good guesses that can be made as complex as you want from there. As earlier explained this theory is for finding the cognitive starting point of hypotheses, which software wise reduces down to an If..Then.. parser for Visual Basic 6.0 to accept user entered statements. For the model it’s then using the If..Then.. conditional part to produce guesses that get tested and where it does not work (are false) other things are tested which in time leads to worded guesses that “Velociraptor did not write” with the best chance of holding true, as a lesson learned, from testing a hypothesis that started off a guess that is somewhat abstractly created from sensory information about orbit of planets mixing with thoughts of Dinosaur Train in the resulting guess where writing in cursive might be true, or soon will be just to help make such an excellent example of a hypothesis that at first might not look like one but the theory helps make sense of why that is most likely true. But do not know for sure until it’s tested, in the program, that I should have some time for later.

Now I just need a recursive parser, in case anyone has an idea for one that writes statements like in Visual Basic where it’s simple English language words and formulas written out like in grade school math class. Logic gates can take the place of words, where how that’s hooked together has an equivalent If..Then.. statement that can be written out, which might be even better than parsing sentences, but maybe not, so whatever Wesley wants might be best.

Date: 2013/06/03 16:39:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm often tempted to compare Gary's output to Finnegans Wake but it'll probably upset k.e.

So I won't.

Date: 2013/06/03 16:46:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm always stuck in the past.

My clock says 22:35 but the newest post says 22:42.

It's been this way for donkey's years and it's not a problem; just wondering if it's only my time that's out of joint?

Date: 2013/06/04 11:37:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (keiths @ June 04 2013,15:34)
socle, the tard charmer:
Do you know of a fixed number K, such that if you roll a die K times, you always will get at least one "4"?

100. I have always had a 4 well before reaching 100, so 100 is a definite lock.


If only for a day I want to live in this magical world!

Date: 2013/06/04 14:05:23, Link
Author: Woodbine

Of course he was!


Date: 2013/06/05 05:40:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

Quote (Thrinaxodon @ June 05 2013,11:02)
Quote (Thrinaxodon @ June 05 2013,02:34)
Scientific resources, that show Velikovskianism is true:





There's also the Aeon Journal, which continues what Velikovsky put down.


Teach the controverski!

(that was sarcasm...just in case anyone was worried)

Date: 2013/06/06 04:59:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Driver @ June 06 2013,07:03)
I will give Sal Cordova the benefit of the doubt.....

Don't do this.


Date: 2013/06/06 16:04:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Volcano's probably rumbling and he's busy flagellating himself in an attempt to appease the sulphurous beast.

Date: 2013/06/07 04:46:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
Christ, hope he isn't writing the obituary.

Date: 2013/06/07 19:27:02, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/06/07 20:13:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
15) Post that mad diagram again, it's been a while.

Date: 2013/06/08 07:08:08, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey, Gary.

Can't wait to read all the great reviews on Planet Source Code when you release your new software!


Date: 2013/06/09 12:41:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 09 2013,17:23)



Dear Mrs Gaulin (if you actually exist),

We, the Internet, are writing to offer our condolences.

Your husband Gary has lived over five years in what might accurately be described as a fever dream. He believes himself to be at the cutting edge of a new scientific movement that seeks to overthrow the current hide-bound and corrupt establishment.

Unfortunately for Gary all his effort has amounted to precisely nil. And while he imagines himself and his work to be an important player in the areas of teaching and research everyone else can plainly see Gary has effectively insulated himself from advice, criticism and ultimately the real world.

As Gary's wife you have no doubt had to listen to his fantastic accounts of his online battles against the establishment; and you have also had to suffer the psychological torment of living with someone who is increasingly divorced from reality.

And so we, the internet, would like to pay tribute to yourself and all the other mental health workers who have dedicated their time to help people like Gary during their darkest hours.

Yours faithfully,

The Internet.

Date: 2013/06/09 21:46:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 10 2013,03:22)
Wesley knows my favorite one. They even posted there. Ask him.

Who is 'they', Gary?

Are they the voices? Do they tell you to do things?

Date: 2013/06/10 06:57:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, I'd recommend you seek help immediately but my hands are covered in blood. Dried, caked blood. The blood of innocents!

Oh, if only Africa would download your 50 page theory!

Date: 2013/06/11 16:07:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (KevinB @ June 11 2013,21:51)
Ms O'Leary's research clearly did not extend to reading Emma Darwin's Wikipedia entry, where her antecedents are explicitly described as "not part of the aristocracy". She has also not noticed that Darwin's mother was a Wedgwood as well....

Do we need to start counting down to the next Lady Hope outing?


Date: 2013/06/13 11:19:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
I found Gary's entry in the Encyclopaedia Brittannica!
delusion, in psychology, a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence. Delusions are symptomatic of such mental disorders as paranoia, schizophrenia, and major depression and of such physiological conditions as senile psychosis and delirium. They vary in intensity, extent, and coherence and may represent pathological exaggeration of normal tendencies to rationalization, wishful thinking, and the like. Among the most common are delusions of persecution and grandeur; others include delusions of bodily functioning, guilt, love, and control.

Date: 2013/06/14 00:04:48, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 14 2013,03:08)
To help some in this forum along, here is something I put some thought into that went out by email to someone I know well who seems to have found a rare productive PhD path through paleontology but have to be overachiever with around 20 papers in peer review right now that documents original trace fossils and at all the best SVP conferences and more. They do not mind my being the way I am. I needed to in as few words explain where I have been in their last university-level stretch that had them focused on making it through that. Some they already knew a little about, so it's not a complete surprise to them, but made sure to include detail this forum would need to make sense of it, without too much problem for any here, I hope.


......Not too many years ago a Kansas a professor was beaten and books being sold where I recall on the cover a picture of jail bars with just two hands from a guy in the cell asking would they be willing to join them where need be.

The KSU connected were preparing for a riot to next happen, maybe like the student riots of the 60's which somewhere else blew up a chemistry lab, of someone I found on the internet who helped me get the chemistry in the theory I'm writing just right. He was scared that he was in the middle of that used explosives was going to happen again all over the country from the Theory of Intelligent Design but I told him that if we put our minds to-it then we could come up with something faith-friendly enough all will want that over what the Discovery Institute had because it puts the fun in science for them, not a protest for something better like that.

Creationist Kathy Martin ended up encouraging a home or classroom experiment/demonstration that was published in the top journal for high school science teachers, which for the first time ever introduced the concept of "self-assembly" to K-12 education without there being a built-in slap in face for religion that the protest was much about. As it turns out Kansas public schools were ahead of the curve on what is now a very major scientific concept because of the demonstration being figured out at the Kansas Citizens For Science forum, science teachers in the state were reading to stay informed. What was eventually peer-review published did not put religion in the science classroom, it beat Richard Dawkins or other normally there first explaining from Atheist perspective for something this scientifically new and important for understanding how living things work. The self-assembly experiment/demo puts the "Poof!" back in the picture no less. From there has been steady progress that makes their public schools look good, And the fusion that makes us 46 chromosomes has a genetic "bottleneck" to a single male and female couple, possibly different families, who qualify as "Chromosomal Adam and Eve". It's then rather surprising Genesis metaphorically predicted that being there, which makes the concept of chromosome fusion more fun, even though since then developed the existing human genetic variety. Happened maybe just before Habilis that is already human looking and maybe using tools rather well, making change since then a microevolution, anyway, not a starting from something that looks like a chimp or less on up to us with no Adam and Eve moment in it anywhere. Don't have to necessarily teach that in the classroom, but it's there where a student just has to have one or forever hate science class that would otherwise pick on them for wanting to look for them in scientific evidence for such a couple. Something else the protest was against is made gone, with something faith friendly for a change. A student in class explaining to ones who don't know what Genesis says on that is really no big deal, like it would be without that being chromosomally true and leads to bioinformatics and more they might like to try on their PC like scientists do, to figure out what they looked like or whatever.

Ones who worried about science making religion gone can better rest knowing it's not going to happen, by knowing where the scientific evidence leads, better than their rivals. Creationists have to accept that what is explained is true, no getting out of denying that. But whatever is needed to turn things around is still a blessing, that would not be there were it not for their protesting for something better from KSU et al.

As it turns out what Kathy envisioned that was for-real scientifically possible led to something original that KSU could not come up with, where academia be forgiven for actually not having anything that empowers the once powerless like something that they themselves must come from them instead. Requires a chromosomal Adam and Eve and all else in it to challenge academia back. It has to truly be a novel way to explain routine science where once scientists know all the scientific details they find it worth knowing, where KSU changes this time but in the end just has to lighten up and have more fun with science too. A small sacrifice to make the most frightening of days in Kansas not going the other way, where worst of fears are realized by not. None would not want to be there then, but as you might have noticed by there having been no riots all over the place where the National Guard is called in things dis get got better, not worse. The quiet in Kansas these days speaks for itself. Much has changed over the years to make that a bygone era all are glad to be past now, by knowing what all concerned now know that changes the K-12 level classroom, without becoming a university level issue that has chaos all over Kansas you can do without too. It's expected that you don't know so much was changing in the Kansas public schools, unless I told you.


Is Gary is drunk when he writes these screeds pining about Kathy?

Many years ago I had a spell of writing down all the brilliant and original thoughts that would come to me while high on marijuana. On reading them the following day I was dismayed to find pages of gibberish.... incredibly neat gibberish.

So I wonder if the incoherent garbage Gary is wont to produce for our benefit and others is similarly produced?

Gary, how many more years of being told that your writing is incomprehensible will it take before the penny drops? How many? I'd honestly like to know.

Will another five years do it? Ten?

Date: 2013/06/19 01:47:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 19 2013,06:38)
I just uploaded the newest IDLab.


Date: 2013/06/19 11:13:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 19 2013,15:16)
In the Order is not... thread, Granville Sewell spies signs of the Great Conspiracy:      

11  Granville Sewell June 18, 2013 at 1:18 am

Sorry for the off-topic post but I notice that “Darwin’s Doubt” is now #1 in “Christian Books and Bibles” at Since I don’t think the book ever mentions the Bible, Christianity or Christ, this is obviously some employee’s way of belittling the book. And why not, questioning the motives and credentials of anyone who doubts Darwin has worked wonderfully for them for 150 years, why not go with what got you where you are.

Interesting that it is outselling the Bible, though!

CBEB Protocol-20-12-2005 sighting confirmed. Proceed as planned.

Date: 2013/06/21 13:12:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 21 2013,16:28)
Well, Darwin has had it.  Where do we surrender?


It's only proper.

Date: 2013/06/23 02:22:46, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Quack @ June 23 2013,06:53)
Hi Gary, this about your twin brother?

Nah, this is Gary's brother.

(might even be Gary for all we know)

Date: 2013/06/27 14:58:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
You managed to get another post past the censors, Gary! That'll show 'em!

But why isn't this final nail in Darwin's coffin being hosted at Planet Source Code, Gary?

Have they terminated your account because you're mental and become aggressive when anyone criticises your work? Is that it?

Date: 2013/06/27 15:20:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, you never tire in linking to your website so you undoubtedly want people to take an interest in what they find there. But, remember, first impressions count.

And unfortunately for you, Gary, this 'abstract' of yours....


This origin of intelligence theory explains the emergent origin of biological diversity and complexity of life on Earth (and detection of these features elsewhere in our Universe) as a product of intelligence, which here self-assembles from nonrandom behavior of matter into multiple self-similar levels of a four requirement cognitive system that over time learns (no select/selected/selection generalizations) and can take a guess (not take a mutation) and physically develops over a lifetime that for molecular intelligence lasts at least billions of years (hence the word evolve became redundant). The theory's unambiguous logical construct allowed for an operational definition for biological species that builds upon the standard accepted operational definition for chemical species, used in chemistry. This unified entire sciences such as Cognitive Theory, Cell Theory, Genetic Theory and Physics Theory including concepts from String Theory. And one requirement of this inherently controlling cognitive mechanism is a confidence level we consciously feel, which is vital to account for, for the theory to also be useful to artists, musicians, clergy and all interested in better knowing who and what we are, how we were created, and by process known as "chromosomal speciation" are related to a progenitor couple hereby colloquially named "Chromosomal Adam and Eve". the most appallingly written paragraph in the history of writing.

Date: 2013/06/28 13:06:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 28 2013,18:55)
Are you saying that my computer system was remotely altered? If true then how was this accomplished?


You got some good stuff in your pictures folder, Gary.

Date: 2013/06/29 11:09:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary is so deranged that he believes that when any body speaks of ID theory these days they are actually referring to his peculiar, gibberatical version of it.

In a similar vein he recently tried to enter his dog in the Kentucky Derby under the pretext that he was now classifying canines as equines.

When questioned about this he became belligerent, stating he wasn't going to waste any more time explaining to Marxist race stewards why dogs are now horses.

Date: 2013/06/30 08:48:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
So, is Thrinaxodon real?

I thought it was one of you lot mucking about.


Date: 2013/07/03 15:43:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Post that diagram again, Gary.

Date: 2013/07/03 17:05:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 03 2013,22:37)
Quote (NoName @ July 03 2013,15:33)

There is no such obligation.....

You are a either a liar, or a fool that should stay out of science.

Gary consistently responds to comments with non-sequiturs. Like the one above, his commentary appears to spring from somebody who is reading something else entirely.

Fake examples....

Hey, Gary, what time is it?

It's the only thing we both know you can.


Hey, Gary, that's a nice horse. Do you ride him often?

Where did I say I had the needed for jumping space?

Previously someone mentioned Oliver Sacks, I think, and I reckon he's just the man to diagnose whatever is ailing Gary. Because what ever he is reading bears scant relation to what we are writing.

I'm very much looking forward to The Man who Mistook a Bunch of Incoherent Gibberish for a Scientific Theory.

Date: 2013/07/03 18:41:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
MODS....Damitall broke the forum, Damitall broke the forum!!!!!

Date: 2013/07/03 21:32:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 04 2013,02:16)
I cannot deny that Darwin had a small number of academic supporters (as do I but they're similarly non-vocal).....

RealDolls rarely are, Gary.

Date: 2013/07/03 22:19:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
Mrs Gaulin, I think you should stay at a friend's house tonight.

Date: 2013/07/04 04:16:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 04 2013,05:43)
And for those who did not know, this is one example of how things actually go very well in a forum where cognitive science experts who actually program cognitive systems are present, as well as what happens when a hidebound academic from this forum (Wesley) shows up to top off the thread with link to this one:

The other forum has long known about my theory writing project. A number of them studied it, which is why Wesley did not surprise anyone there.

Let's see what Gary describes as 'doing very well'

I am looking for honest unbiased opinon (informal peer-review) of the following theory......blah....blah...

You gotta be fucking kidding me. We all see through your bullshit, Gary. Get your creationist ass off this forum.

Just perusing through the paper so far, I might read the entire thing at some point, I find that there are at least a few unprovable assumptions which could greatly influence the interpretation of whatever data you have collected:

Your paper is flawed in it's fundamental premise of non-randomness. I'd not spend any more time trying to 'prove' it, and go enjoy a nice round of golf or something.

Two words: Bull shit.

It's a hypothesis at best. A theory requires evidence, experiments to support your hypothesis.

So, in other words, you aren't gonna get your paper published in any reputable journal, nor supported by anyone who actually reads it and is knowledgable about the basics of science. You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that.

I think you are unaware of how presenting a theory works... you provide the evidence!

I demand a coherent logical argument supported by pertinent evidence and ideally consistent with the known scientific laws/theories in order for me to view a theory as scientific... You singularly fail in this regard and hence I consider your effort unscientific.

....and that's all within two pages.

Gary, if that's an example of your theory doing 'very well' I'd hate to see it take a beating. (Incidentally it'll come as no surprise that Gary drags the Stalin trope out as soon as he can.)

Of further note...(I'm sounding like Batsh^t_77, here) Gary says....

The Theory of Intelligent Design is halfway between science and religion, where they interface. Only have to make it scientifically coherent in order to bridge the gap.

Oh, Gary.

Date: 2013/07/04 17:34:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2013,23:11)
So...essentially, your post I quoted above is one big, fat, exaggerated lie.

How dare you.


Gary's theory is being taught in classrooms the length and breadth of America and he is regularly invited to lecture at the most prestigious Universities to discuss his work.

He simply hasn't the time to actually list the places where his theory is being taught, nor can he stop for a moment to supply the fantastic reviews he has received from people who know about this stuff. He's busy with theory!

Date: 2013/07/05 14:37:31, Link
Author: Woodbine

I just made a MAJOR rewrite that made it many times better!

The intro more pro-ID to match the added science being more a score for ID'ers.

It's still short, 3 paragraphs, but contains a lot more important science words. Previous concepts fit right in to strengthen it.


Oh and this is even better....

The science in the following "Design Theory" also called "the theory of Intelligent Design" has passed sufficient peer-review for it to be reasonably certain that this is appropriate for public-school teachers being pressured to teach the "alternative theory".


5 years later, many classrooms have hosted your theory? Just another question for you to avoid answering.

Date: 2013/07/08 16:18:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (keiths @ July 08 2013,21:43)
Elizabeth B Liddle

I appreciated very much your words. I am honoured to discuss with a Lady who prefers to spend time to grasp SLoT, CSI, DNA.. instead of cinema’s stars, beauty products, gossip..


Oh, I know how he's just great when you happen upon a Jew who doesn't hoard money!

Date: 2013/07/10 07:02:27, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/07/12 00:58:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Where it most matters (the how-to world that makes science go around) I am very seriously being only encouraged to publish again at PSC where what you think only helps proves how useful the theory is for creating paradigm change, where programming an intelligent causation event is there a challenge to all to program toward (which would be Nature and PNAS level newsworthy but don't have to start there).

Complete gibberish.

Date: 2013/07/15 01:19:41, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/07/16 09:19:28, Link
Author: Woodbine
What you write and what Gary reads are two separate things altogether. Even the most innocuous question has to pass through several layers of paranoia and psychosis before it reaches Gary's deranged kernel.

Date: 2013/07/17 03:16:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
If nothing ever comes from all our work then the ARN forum failed its mission. But as it now stands, it was an excellent incubator. It’s just that after hatching we had to get out into the world. So here I am, in your forum, while others who now have many years of experience with me are carrying on elsewhere.


(for the deluded).

Date: 2013/07/17 07:00:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
The Chromosomal Adam and Eve working out, adds to the new way of explaining the evidence, that is credit ARN forum, where that was first thought of but not in theory that required later found references to show “chromosome speciation” is real-science.

Gary, should we be affecting a Neanderthal accent when attempting to decipher crap like this?

For someone who is wont to write reams and reams of incomprehensible rubbish (while simultaneously complaining you don't have the time), you really are the worst writer ever.

Date: 2013/07/18 01:45:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
I don't think Robert O. Adair is Joe.

If you look at Robert's Yahoo page and scroll down you'll find loads of poems and essays (the quality of which I'll skip over*) that go back years. From a cursory survey they don't appear to be written in Joe's simian hand; there's no IOW, or OTOH, or 'position' or any of the literary tics that Joe is incapable of suppressing.

And I cannot believe for a second that someone of Joe's 'nature' would be capable of engineering a fake identity without him blowing his cover within five subsequent blog posts. There's no way Joe could have resisted linking to 'noted PHD theologian Robert O. Adair' to support his latest bat-shit contention.

So what's going on? Has Joe simply been caught out plagiarizing Robert O. Adair's work? Or has Joe re-registered at Amazon using Robert O. Adair as an unwitting alias? Is Robert O. Adair the unwitting victim of mistaken identity......?

Tune in next week!

* But just to give you and idea it didn't take long to find the sentence "Supposing I told you that the wristwatch I wear came into existence when there was an explosion in the parts department of a watch factory?".

Appendix A: Excerpts from Robert's latest book of poetry Hope for a Broken World

And this....


After reading those I'm sure we can all agree that the world is indeed broken.

Date: 2013/07/18 07:17:36, Link
Author: Woodbine

Two things.

Now we know a) why Gary won't try and peddle his drivel at Uncommonly Dense and b) that he couldn't even get a gig at ISCID!


From this ID blog no-one ever heard of.

Date: 2013/07/19 05:57:27, Link
Author: Woodbine


Home by Christmas!
The issue of whether this is a scientific theory or not is essentially over. I'm currently working on the remaining highly vocal protesters who have been using the ID controversy as an excuse to use public school science classrooms to bash religion, and/or directly profit financially from the hysteria. Since they normally do not even read the theory before they begin bullying, it's a "bigger they are the harder they fall" sort of thing. Once the remaining political activists are finally and for good put in their place (hopefully within a month or two) the rest of the scientific community will be free to publish/discuss this without fear of being protested against, put out of business, fired, demoted, etc....


You really are a deluded fool aren't you Gary?

Genuinely deluded.

Date: 2013/07/19 11:41:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Febble @ July 19 2013,16:50)
I think that KF genuinely doesn't get it.  He doesn't understand why his long posts don't instantly inform anyone who reads them as to the error of their ways.  He doesn't understand why his reasons for objecting to homosexuality do not deserve exemption from criticism.

He doesn't understand why anyone could think differently from the way he does, if they have read his posts and are apparently smart enough to be able to understand them, unless they are being deliberately dishonest.

He has boxed himself into a corner from which there is no escape: any possible evidence against his opinion comes from sources he does not trust.

Once you have got yourself into a position in which there is no possible evidence you would accept as a rebuttal to your opinion, you are in a Black Hole from which no light can escape, and you will post only Hawking radiation until you are gone.

He's a petty, autocratic, fundamentalist, windbag living under the shadow of a giant volcano.

Whichever way you look at it he's fucked.

Date: 2013/07/20 11:48:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Is there a newer version of CBEB.exe available? I can access most of Gary's C: drive and the webcam controller works great but it's a bit buggy when copying/deleting files.


Date: 2013/07/21 03:01:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Every time I read WJM blab on about how he 'chooses' to believe whatever he likes I die a little inside. Volitional belief is just as nonsensical as volitional digestion, or volitional liver function. But at the risk of going off on a rant I'll leave it be.

(Christ, I was sounding a bit like Gil Dodgen there.... :( )

Date: 2013/07/21 04:19:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2013,09:22)
I’m weirdly fascinated by how after going over the line you get into this defensive mode and like blame me for it happening. I already explained how science is not usually very well paying. Evolutionary biology is not one of the get rich quick fields, and might be more like another fast way to become a starving scientist.

With the petition and all, there’s no way to compare the legal system tactics from your anti-ID movement. My message has consistently been the opposite. What you are powerless against is the science that makes all else irrelevant.

In your case what I must most want out of you is your flagellum powered cell model circuited as per the ID theory, which will easily enough work, but I can’t program everything. If it checks out by me then I could reference that in a footnote in cellular intelligence section, which already explains well enough to model that from. Adding eye and chemosensor patches are optional. Can also test to see whether real e.coli and other can be trained to either attract or repel from stimuli depending on prior experience. If cells can be trained then it’s not a simple feedback system or can be never changing ROM there is a RAM memory somewhere to store proper actions that the ID model also has in it, for that purpose. The exact chemistry of cellular temporal memory is not known but literature shows cells can anticipate a shock of some sort and be in defensive mode in anticipation of another, which might work where time reference since last event of that sensory type is included in addressing and can test that against experiments with slime-molds and other things.

And it just so happens that I just finished uploaded an update to the Intelligence Design Lab where the “MAIN INTELLIGENCE GENERATING ALGORITHM” at the end of the Intelligence.frm file now features a circuit diagram (in comments) that has a numbered step in code that propagates signals for each lobe cycle.

For simplicity sake the good guess code was taken out of the circuit. Still works great without it. Likely need to remove good guess for chemotaxis anyway, now it’s done for you. With that out of the way, the Intelligence Design Lab should be much easier for you to code from.

The way I see it, science makes it possible for even you to (for the most part) redeem yourself. But that requires (language of your choice) programming of a novel computer model to add to an earlier paper from you that at least shows you might have the right stuff to code it. You can later wire-in other senses. First step is your Chemotaxis Intelligence Design Lab but you don’t have to call it that, where you hate that name so much there’s no way you ever would.

There is so much novel new science that can be programmed from this theory you are left with no good excuses at all for complaining about not finding a science worthy paper even I would have to love you for. It’s easily PNAS and/or Nature material. At least I think it deserves it.

The winning strategy is to ignore all the things that are not science. What matters is theory that develops in a way to assimilate you in a way that is good or bad depending on what you choose. On my end, that takes time getting the Intelligence Design Lab just right, so that a download worth looking at is online right now to help make this an even more memorable week for us all. The Lab still does not draw the entire circuit (will next get back to that) but I was able to resist the lure of the forum trolls and instead reduced down the algorithm variables to very minimum, which in turn cleaned up a big coding mess that made it harder to figure out and work on. I did not forget what PSC and other worlds need from me the most, and I’m relieved that I managed to optimize the algorithm by now. But I did not neglect your scientific needs, in this new design, and was able to have this posted for your wonderful Sunday morning enjoyment, to get to work on too!


Date: 2013/07/24 03:54:46, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 24 2013,02:52)
In other words: What I read from How-To Write A Book websites indicates that the Preface is for explain what is in the book is for, where it comes from.


"...the Preface is for explain what is in the book is for, where it comes from."


And that's after he read some 'How to Write a Book' websites!

Date: 2013/07/24 04:06:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (keiths @ July 24 2013,02:23)
There is no reason, for example, to conduct an empirical investigation to negate or affirm the hypothesis that a gold bar could come from a gold sliver, or that a sand castle could come from a single grain.

Quite right, StephenB.

Planets moving in elliptical orbits you say? Pshaw! There is simply no reason to entertain such heavenly imperfection!

Date: 2013/07/24 07:34:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Soapy Sam @ July 24 2013,13:01)
Dozy berk. If intermittent rain helps crops, think how much better the crops would be if you inundated the fuckers.



Date: 2013/07/24 08:15:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Credit for this theory must also go to hundreds who as far back as 1980’s helped add to and strengthen the scientific concepts which led to novel theory that in time became all of this. Scientist or not, all who were a part of the way things went, as the theory moved from forum to forum on the internet, helped change science history by ultimately bringing to life the once thought to be scientifically impossible Theory of Intelligent Design.

Thank you!

You just know Gary had tears in his eyes while writing this little Stockholm speech.

You really are living in a another world, aren't you Gary? Completely divorced from reality. Over five years spent trolling internet forums and coding some irrelevant bug in Visual Basic and you honestly believe your deranged scribblings are the dawn of a new scientific era.

Fuck..... :(

How long have you been this ill, Gary? And how much longer will your family have to endure these delusions of grandeur/fantasy?

Date: 2013/07/26 16:50:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, why aren't you posting it at Planet Source Code?

You constantly name-drop the place, you wear your PSC coding badge like a proud 7 year old, and if you are to be believed there is a substantial user base at PSC on tenter hooks waiting for the latest version of your Earth-shattering software.

So what gives? Have you been banned there, too?

Date: 2013/07/27 16:59:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 27 2013,19:02)

I would have to be a fool to let a quote-mining bully with almost no experience at all in cognitive systems stop progress on the Intelligence Design Lab and Theory of Intelligent Design.

Interesting attitude.

Gary, remind us again whose bandwidth you are using to promote your work?

Date: 2013/07/29 18:15:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
He does sound bitter doesn't he?

He comes across as someone who has previously invested a great deal of emotional capital in various 'philosophies' along the road; only to discover they're all built on sand if you only scratch the surface.

Despite William's VAST INTELLECT his current beau (theism) doesn't seem to be doing him any favours.

Date: 2013/07/31 17:53:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (keiths @ July 31 2013,22:49)

Publication Date: July 1993

.............Now he teaches us how to manipulate reality to gain unlimited freedom. "We're going to knock down the walls and rip up the floorboards that keep us imprisoned in the hellish box of "normal life" and consensus reality", says the author.

And yet twenty years later he's propping up Uncommonly Dense.

That's one shitty trajectory.


Date: 2013/07/31 18:07:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
He's been treading water ever since Ghostbusters, IMHO.

Date: 2013/08/02 10:11:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 02 2013,16:04)
I was offline for a while but now have the “future of awesome” internet connection. Faster and costs less. I had to do it, to keep my wife happy.

You've finally driven her to porn, then?

Date: 2013/08/03 17:47:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 03 2013,23:30)
I am not going to waste even more time....

Yes you are, Gary.

Date: 2013/08/04 22:04:13, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 04 2013,22:34)
Why not address the snide remarks (as well as mocking and ridicule) that this forum calls "science"?

No-one at AtBC mistakes the mocking, ridicule and snide remarks for science, Gary. The mocking, ridicule and snide remarks fall squarely under the heading 'Mocking, Ridicule & Snide Remarks'.

You deranged idiot.

Date: 2013/08/05 16:48:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 05 2013,22:27)
(they) have yet to produce any objections that have not long been refuted most thoroughly. But since they are not motivated by the love of truth, and since they have an entirely different point of view, we should not be surprised that the best refutations count for nothing and that the weakest and most ridiculous reasoning, which has so often been shown to be baseless, is continuously repeated. If these people maintained the slightest rigor, the slightest taste for the truth, it would be quite easy to steer them away from their errors; but their tendency towards stubbornness makes this completely impossible.

Tr:  "They're sinners!".

Date: 2013/08/07 01:21:37, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 07 2013,01:35)
Quote (Nomad @ Aug. 06 2013,18:15)
Or similarly, on this forum I discovered that I'd been misinformed on the meaning of E=MC^2.  I'd been specifically taught that that only dealt with nuclear reactions, that chemical reactions didn't alter mass.  Someone who knew more than me informed me that that was wrong, and I started looking into it.  Yep, they were right.  Mass is relative to chemical energy content, and probably other kinds of potential energy as well.  The effect is so small that you can go your entire life without ever seeing any evidence of this, but it's there nonetheless.

what a bunch of liberal claptrap.

Conservapedia's talk page is a magnificent source of pure TARD.

Science fiction is great stuff ... as long as one doesn't start believing it, or allow it to take time away from truths, such as the Bible. Suppose I drink a glass of water, which has mass of about 0.5 pounds (roughly 1 kg). Zero calories, of course. Yet do you maintain that my energy increases in proportion to the speed of light squared?

What percentage of people who believe relativity's crass, silly materialism are likely to read the Bible earnestly, or pursue other real truths?--Andy Schlafly 23:29, 18 January 2013 (EST)

Date: 2013/08/07 06:26:40, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/08/08 19:44:23, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 09 2013,01:37)
The Intelligence Design Lab is now the state-of-the-art reductionist cognitive model for explaining how intelligence works....

Date: 2013/08/15 00:47:37, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 14 2013,22:24)
No, it means I am working on the software that scientifically functional people are waiting for, instead of letting them down by wasting my time in your toilet.

No-one is waiting for your software, Gary.


Date: 2013/08/27 13:17:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 27 2013,18:26)
But what matters the most is what has never been done before, so I must get back to work on it!

Gary, what are you doing that has 'never been done before' ?

Be specific.

Date: 2013/09/01 15:53:40, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 31 2013,10:32)
I uploaded the latest code with hippocampi (place code map) addressing!

I will need a shock arena type experiment to know more, but it worked to produce new more complex behavior patterns visible in Mouth Position Graph data. I will next draw the hexagonal place map on the Graph, for a better idea of what’s happening at place boundaries. The “Good Guess” (that uses previous working motor settings upon entering a new situation) is not in the algorithm, which will make it unsure what to do and guess new motor settings, even though there is nothing wrong with current ones. Since a new place is only a new memory for one Left+Right cycle it’s possible that memory still self-organizes fine that way. The critter has been working so well without Good Guess in the circuit/algorithm I’m still going without it. Still in time learns, just takes longer and is at first more sensitive to arriving at a new place, like some animals normally are anyway. I would expect it to make the virtual critter more “curious” or at least aware of what’s at each place and might have to learn something it already learned somewhere else but naturally trying new strategies in each new place can have advantages. One place could have food and another shockingly not. Regardless of how it deals with a new place it still has to learn which is where, somehow. In some cases it’s an advantage to not assume things, so either way it still works. Only problem right now is the length of time it takes to figure out multicolor feeders randomly popping up in its space. But in Turbo mode it’s keeping itself fed in around half an hour, not years like for humans, therefore it’s still much faster than it can be in real time.

The next step in the code is to address multiple maps, which might allow a more efficient way to use place code map address bits than use 6 bits for map of 63 places arranged as in hexagonal place map like in earlier illustration. Earlier linked to video and papers describe more than one map, of multiple size resolutions, not one large one as it has right now. How many maps there can be before the algorithm has problems temporally combining them all is yet unknown, but I had no problems toggling the first into timing, and can turn its drive motor speed down to give it more thinking time.

Even though my day-job kept me busy for half this week I managed to get the Intelligence Design Lab with hippocampi uploaded to Quack and all, for your Saturday morning pleasure. For me it’s a sigh of relief that it worked as well as I hoped it would, with what I now have for an environment, in which case it not working at all makes the work optimizing and well commenting the new code a waste of time. Thankfully that did not happen! We can now get onto the next step, where things get even more scientifically interesting in an experiment scientists designed to put a rat (like human) hippocampi to an extreme test, which seems to equally well test a virtual bot.

Who are you talking to?

Date: 2013/09/02 22:01:46, Link
Author: Woodbine
I'm positive the DI will be outraged at this gross violation of academic freedom.

Date: 2013/09/02 22:07:54, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 02 2013,11:16)
Apparently I'm still wasting my time talking to myself in a forum that is only for mocking and ridiculing creationists.

We'll add that one to your chronic 'Wasted Time' lamentation....
The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

That's why I have not been wasting all my time trying to please ones with fingers in their ears at forums like this one....

And I'm done wasting my time in your little hell-hole.

You are so FOS I'm not wasting time responding to your nutcase rant.

That's the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here....

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad.

I have no interest in wasting time, proving nothing.

My problem is usually from wasting too much time trying to be too careful....

And more wasting of my time searching for quotes in over 100 pages of text while they endlessly throw mud in order to make me look like a liar.

If you are unable to ask a scientific question, then I am not wasting my time answering your unscientific BS.

....I'm hoping to get some work done on the computer model instead of wasting a day answering that junk.

I'm done wasting my time answering to your asinine accusations.

I'm seriously much better off not wasting any more time trying to communicate with hopeless nutcases.

The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.


Date: 2013/09/05 16:46:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 05 2013,21:55)
The resulting theory reached a stage of development where it could put "intelligent cause" into scientific context, which led to the "Intelligent Causation" illustration that now helps confirm what Denis Noble from the UK has for theory. I am relatively sure Febble would rather I become as impressed by their work as they are. Jerry Coyne might think Denis went senile or something, but at least I'm with them on his insight being very valuable. Could be because Darwinian theory stands on its own without needing reciprocal causation of some sort while a systems biology theory does because of having to explain on up to conscious brains that are produced by multiple levels of complex interaction which is powered by the behavior of matter. In my opinion it's not that Darwinian theory is wrong, still works for most in paleontology and other fields where they need to be good at excavating and classifying fossils from their remains. It's just not a theory of biology like Denis is describing, that ultimately gets into neuroscience and and physics most paleontologists don't even want to have to get into, unless it's a PBS Nova documentary or other quick interesting review of what's going on elsewhere in science. It's a "to each their own" sort of thing where it's no surprise that (like discussed at TR where I found info) Jerry Coyne and others would take his video/lecture as dissing Darwinian theory, that they are so passionate to, but I see it as no real threat it's more like something going on in other science departments that starts in physics on into cognitive systems biology working towards Jerry with a simulated reality for them to find natural selection in and give interactions names but that does not change anything that happens in the physics based biological simulation that requires more than that, for it to work right. Systems biology is such an interdisciplinary field it's unrealistic to expect the evolutionary biology department to take care of everything, and it's better that none expect Jerry to outdo what also ends up in the physics department. They have to model on up from there. And like in the illustration there are intelligent causation events where you know it happened for the first time in the simulated reality, by molecular chemical speciation leading to biological speciation that includes sudden proliferation of the first intelligent living things. Jerry might find that interesting and could maybe help by judging how close it is getting to what they have in the evolutionary biology department, for the physicists and others who don't even want to have to memorize thousands of names for things and names of each of the millions of molecules that should come out of their simulations. It's a case where disciplines have to not try covering each others science turf, or else it results in turf-war, where so far at least Jerry helped show what does not change in their department because of what Denis is talking about. It's better someone gave that issue a good go from their evolutionary biology department perspective, than not. What most scientifically matters for ID is what emerges from where programmers are into modeling simulated realities from the laws of physics on up, to where Jerry is, not the other way around where it's then something evolutionary biology departments must figure out using Darwin theory to explain all in physics with.

A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually come to believe they are dyslexic.


Date: 2013/09/09 04:56:08, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 09 2013,07:25)
Theory of Intelligent Design for Physiology, Systems Biology

The highly disciplinary science of systems biology has outgrown metaphor/generalization driven Darwinian paradigm. Time is right to combine models from cognitive science and physiology for a bold new paradigm first introduced at software repository Planet Source Code as the (was awarded) Intelligence Design Lab which ultimately produces simulated reality models of biology as Denis Noble describes where there are multiple level reciprocal causations (two-way not one) algorithm. Levels may or may not be intelligent. The same algorithm can be used to model behavior of matter to the human brain. Evolutionary biologists can afterwards generalize and use metaphors to describe what they are observing but that does not get the model programmed, or changes what will later develop in its environment, over one or many cyber generations of time. This completely eliminates “selection” variables required by typical Evolutionary/Genetic Algorithms while putting fun and adventure back into science by making culturally significant predictions from a two-way multilevel model that’s also able to produce intelligent causation events, as required by the premise of the Theory of Intelligent Design.

Now that is gibberish.

Date: 2013/09/11 06:08:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
The size of an LP.

Date: 2013/09/12 10:23:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
(At the very real risk of furthering Gary's descent into madness)


It's free and does everything Office can.

What it cannot do.....

Theory of Intelligent Design for Physiology, Systems Biology


Systems biology now needs a theoretical model with multilevel two-way (not one) reciprocal causation pathways which was first introduced as a programming challenge to all, at software repository Planet Source Code as the (awarded) Intelligence Design Lab. The model works equally well for biological development over the lifetime of a single living thing, and over many generations of time leading to speciation. Levels of emergent biological organization may or may not here qualify as intelligent. The same algorithm can model behavior of matter, on up to the human brain. Evolutionary biologists can afterwards use generalizations to describe what they are observing happening in the model’s environment, but metaphors do not help program it, or will change what happens. This eliminates “selection” variables required by typical Evolutionary/Genetic Algorithms, while putting fun and adventure back into science by making scientifically significant predictions and explaining how intelligent causation events work, as required by the premise of the Theory of Intelligent Design which officially states:

“The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.”

From this premise it is possible to take existing systems biology theory up a notch, to where it works extremely well with cognitive science and robotics.  This makes it much harder to overlook whatever intelligence may exist in a given biological system, at any level of organization on up to human collective intelligence where we find the “scientific method” that works the same way to produce scientific theory, including the following. teach you how to write anything approaching a coherent sentence.

Date: 2013/09/14 12:44:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
The first person to even try and discuss Lamarckism with Gary gets shot.

Date: 2013/09/14 16:02:12, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/09/15 12:47:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 15 2013,18:14)
And that’s the problem; a lot of us don’t realize we’re in a war, a war where reason, truth, religion and spirituality is under direct assault by the post-modern equivalent of barbarians.  They, for the most part, have no compunction about lying, misleading, dissembling, attacking, blacklisting, ridiculing, bullying and marginalizing; more than that, they have no problem using every resource at their means, legal or not, polite or not, reasonable or not, to destroy theism, and in particular Christianity (as wells as conservative/libertarian values in general).  They have infiltrated the media, academia and the entertainment industry and use their influence to generate narratives with complete disregard for the truth, and entirely ignore even the most egregious barbarism against those holding beliefs they disagree with.

What a twat.

Why can't he call them the Illuminati like every other nutcase?

Date: 2013/09/16 13:30:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
William J. Murray - Torchbearer of Rational Civilization.

Has a nice ring to it, wonder if he's had cards made up?

Date: 2013/09/17 11:13:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 17 2013,15:19)
If you cannot even explain the very basics of the process then you are not qualified to judge existing theories. And I am not going to go deeper into financial ruin by wasting even more time defending myself against your constant defamation.

Thanks, Gary. That's another entry for your Wasted Time scrap-book!

(A strong case could be made for documenting each instance of your blaming everyone but yourself for your perennially terminal financial situation but I can't be arsed. At least not for a 2.5 glober like yourself)
Apparently I'm still wasting my time talking to myself in a forum that is only for mocking and ridiculing creationists.

The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

That's why I have not been wasting all my time trying to please ones with fingers in their ears at forums like this one....

And I'm done wasting my time in your little hell-hole.

You are so FOS I'm not wasting time responding to your nutcase rant.

That's the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here....

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad.

I have no interest in wasting time, proving nothing.

My problem is usually from wasting too much time trying to be too careful....

And more wasting of my time searching for quotes in over 100 pages of text while they endlessly throw mud in order to make me look like a liar.

If you are unable to ask a scientific question, then I am not wasting my time answering your unscientific BS.

....I'm hoping to get some work done on the computer model instead of wasting a day answering that junk.

I'm done wasting my time answering to your asinine accusations.

I'm seriously much better off not wasting any more time trying to communicate with hopeless nutcases.

The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

If you cannot even explain the very basics of the process then you are not qualified to judge existing theories. And I am not going to go deeper into financial ruin by wasting even more time defending myself against your constant defamation.

Date: 2013/09/17 16:00:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
I knew I shouldn't have looked.....

It's unnerving to realise with hindsight just how sanitised UD was under the reign of Dembski and DaveTard.

Date: 2013/09/20 17:08:12, Link
Author: Woodbine

557 Box September 20, 2013 at 2:23 pm

I wonder why some object to Murray’s meme about rape. Daniel C. Dennett unequivocally refuses to condemn rape on the basis of evolutionary theory.

One might as well expect a mathematician to condemn rape on the basis of set theory. This is beyond dumb. This is Uncommonly Dense!

Date: 2013/09/22 10:06:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 22 2013,14:19)
I sure have to admit I could use help getting the text of the theory better together for a science journal paper or article.

Trouble with that, Gary, is you'd have to explain to some poor bastard in clear English just what your theory purports to explain, how it might be tested and what results would unambiguously confirm or falsify said theory before anyone could even begin to organize the text into an acceptable paper.

But that's bullying according to you.


Date: 2013/09/22 14:28:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
We're still waiting for this book with Dembski she's been threatening for donkey's years. Something about how you can't be a Darwinist and a Christian?

Come to think of it Dembski was supposed to be working on a second edition of No Free Lunch, too....[tumbleweed]

Call me Mr. Cynical-Trousers but I'm beginning to suspect that this design revolution is encountering difficulties.

Date: 2013/09/22 16:21:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Oh dear.

I went poking around at Denyse's place, Post Darwinist and noticed she'd added two more blogs to her profile.

The first one, Canadian Writers who are Christian is fairly self explanatory. However, Denyse being Denyse is just using the place to post links back to her 'articles' at UD or The Best Schools.


But now it gets weird.

The second new blog in her profile is Comments on our Republic. A picture is worth a thousand words so.....

Yep...."Thoughts and such on America from us in Conservapedia".

A quick look around this particular blog reveals it to be everything you'd expect it to be. Guns, John Kerry, HOMOS etc. But sadly, no Denyse O'Leary. She is named as a contributor but I can't find anything written by her. Over at Conservapedia itself her entry is limited to a couple of lines and there's no indication that she's affiliated with them.

So what's the explanation? Did she sign up with this loon after a particularly dark night of the soul? Is it a cry for help?


Date: 2013/09/22 23:15:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
When TARD Collides.

Date: 2013/09/26 19:17:23, Link
Author: Woodbine

Or at similar length you could read....

Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray - 78,462 words.
George Orwell - Nineteen Eighty-Four - 88,942 words.
J.D. Salinger - The Catcher in the Rye - 73,404 words.
Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse-Five - 49,459 words.
Nathaniel Hawthorne - The Scarlet Letter - 63,604 words.
Ray Bradbury - The Martian Chronicles - 64,768 words.
William Golding - Lord of the Flies - 59,900 words.

Tough choice I know.

Date: 2013/09/27 18:59:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
There are many troubling implications to Craig's divine command outlook on morality.

One that has always bugged me, and which remains relevant today, is this; under Craig's scheme it is not immoral to run a child through with a sword provided you believe the order to do so came from God.

For this is exactly the position in which the men of Israel's army found themselves prior to battle with the  Amalekites. They weren't directly commanded by God, it came via an intermediary. But because they sincerely believed Moses was channelling God's will then according to Craig they are blameless.

That's a hell of a precedent....only following orders, sir.

[Edited here for Gaulinesque sentences]

Date: 2013/09/27 23:13:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
Is ARN (Access Research Network) finally expiring?

For years now it's been nothing more than an advertisement farm for every new literary nail in Darwin's coffin and their forum has been a graveyard occupied by a single entity who feels compelled to copy and paste anti-Obama missives.

But now there's this ominous sign.....

A Moving Sale? Following the link we see this....

Doesn't look good. The forum is not playing either....

No idea what that means, and it could just be a temporary glitch - after all some idiot is still paying to keep the IDEA Club running.

Speaking of which, you might remember Allen MacNeill's swingeing piece on the ID movement on campus and enjoyed Casey Luskin's tragic attempt to convince him in the comments section that the IDEA movement was not dead, no sir.

Well, Casey was so animated he dedicated the next edition of IDEA's newsletter (the Light Bulb) to demolishing MacNeill's slander. The IDEA revolution was in rude health and it was typical Darwinist rhetoric to suggest otherwise!

And that was the final IDEA Club newsletter.


Date: 2013/09/29 13:05:56, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 29 2013,18:26)
PCID doesn't seem to work for me anymore.

Weirdly if you enter into your browser it triggers a 32k download.

Probably wise to just step away....

Date: 2013/09/30 07:27:53, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 30 2013,11:01)

Matthew 5:13 clearly shows that we should be neither animal nor vegetable (though we go quite well on both).

But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again?


Fucking hell, God....Gary Gaulin can write better lines than that.

Date: 2013/09/30 21:21:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
He must think babies, toddlers, teenagers and adults are simply different varieties of humans - not that one develops from the other.

Date: 2013/10/04 08:42:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 04 2013,10:03)
POLICY ANOUNCEMENT: If a thread I own deteriorates into polarisation based on the red herrings led away to strawman caricatures soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere or similar tactics in the teeth of editorial warnings from me as owner, I will terminate the thread of discussion on a three strikes and out principle. GEM of TKI

So, to punish those oily-ad-homos who constantly wreck his threads....he's going to nuke the thread?


Well, that'll teach 'em.

Restless, eh? It's like Mullings and the Volcano share some psychic link.

Date: 2013/10/04 09:53:31, Link
Author: Woodbine

Away Team?

Can we expect a mass suicide of ID's failed revolutionaries?

Date: 2013/10/05 11:39:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
I haven't the stomach to actually investigate the matter but I was under the impression the only activity at UD was generated by Elizabeth's presence.

As such I'm hoping she isn't tempted back - I want to see the place dry up and the inmates eat themselves. Are any CBEBs still mining the TARD these days?

Date: 2013/10/10 03:28:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Thanks for posting the presentation Gil. I was a card-carrying atheist for about 20 years so a lot of what you say resonates with me.

My atheism started when I was about 15 when I would enjoy summer days in the botanical gardens with a copy of the Origin of Species.

Okay, which one of you is SteveO?

Date: 2013/10/16 14:40:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Just finished A Maze of Death by Philip K Dick.

It was OK but typically 'Dickian', i.e. a foundation of  interesting ideas groaning under the weight of terrible writing, implausible characterization and the author's own neuroses.

I've just started George Johnson's Fire in the Mind which looks much more promising. The blurb says....

Are there really laws governing the universe? Or is the order we see a mere artifact of the way evolution wired the brain? And is what we call science only a set of myths in which quarks, DNA, and information fill the role once occupied by gods?

Only read Chapter 1 but so far it's good.

Date: 2013/10/16 15:46:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
TMOR is a kids book, isnt it?

Date: 2013/10/19 11:38:30, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2013/10/19 12:49:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (George @ Oct. 19 2013,18:00)
Wow.  Where does that categorisation come from?  Is it related to other searches by UD visitors?

I don't know the mechanics behind it (just like ID) but it's muchly funny.

In other news Robert Byers confirms what we had long suspected....

Date: 2013/11/01 18:35:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Never seen the CBEBs described as 'well organized' before.


Date: 2013/11/04 11:51:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,16:03)
Let me know when your scientific work has made it to the museum level, is in schools and universities that know your name, because then maybe you will have earned the right to judge the work of others.

I've no doubt your local school, university and museum know exactly who you are, Gary.

And where you live.

Date: 2013/11/04 11:58:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,17:50)
It very much sounds like you are saying ID is progressing just fine, which is true. Not that I would be proud of that, if I were you.

Well done Intelligent Design!

Date: 2013/11/04 12:35:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Robin @ Nov. 04 2013,18:16)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,11:07)
But the good news for today is that another one of the sources of stench (a defamatory Atheist website representing academia that targeted me personally) just went down the crapper, and is now gone for good from the internet.

I probably shouldn't care and definitely shouldn't ask, but I am vaguely curious as to which website Gary is referring here.

I'd like to know this, too.

Gary, assuming this website doesn't reside in the same alternate universe as your 'favourable reviewers', would you kindly reveal its name?

Date: 2013/11/04 13:16:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,18:46)
Now comes the problem of what happens after you "cry wolf" way too many times, and the real wolf knows you're now nearly defenseless:


Oh no!

The Discovery Institute are marketing a DVD and booklet to home-schoolers (again).

Take that evolution!

Date: 2013/11/04 14:36:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
LOL must've hit a nerve.


Date: 2013/11/04 16:55:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,21:55)
I am not going to waste my time answering trolls and others who read a couple of sentences of the theory then whine and complain because it's too hard for them to figure out.

The reason people complain/shake their heads/laugh at your theory is because it is constructed from sentences like this....
Unifies them in a logical construct which has multiple levels of the same reoccurring inherently controlling four requirement system where one requirement is a “confidence” level that our Human Intelligence consciously feels, vital to include in a scientific model of intelligent living things.

There's nearly fifty pages of this crap, Gary. But it never sinks in, does it?

But thanks for adding another 'I'm not gonna waste my time' outburst to your list.
The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

That's why I have not been wasting all my time trying to please ones with fingers in their ears at forums like this one....

And I'm done wasting my time in your little hell-hole.

You are so FOS I'm not wasting time responding to your nutcase rant.

That's the reason I have to stop wasting all my time here....

I simply had to stop wasting my time answering crap, and as you can see (from not even bothering to reply to the most brainless ones) I'm not doing all that bad.

I have no interest in wasting time, proving nothing.

My problem is usually from wasting too much time trying to be too careful....

And more wasting of my time searching for quotes in over 100 pages of text while they endlessly throw mud in order to make me look like a liar.

If you are unable to ask a scientific question, then I am not wasting my time answering your unscientific BS.

....I'm hoping to get some work done on the computer model instead of wasting a day answering that junk.

I'm done wasting my time answering to your asinine accusations.

I'm seriously much better off not wasting any more time trying to communicate with hopeless nutcases.

The way everything I say gets twisted around I'm wasting way too much time answering ridiculous accusations.

Apparently I'm still wasting my time talking to myself in a forum that is only for mocking and ridiculing creationists.

I am not going to waste my time answering trolls and others who read a couple of sentences of the theory then whine and complain because it's too hard for them to figure out.

Date: 2013/11/05 06:17:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,23:33)
If you think a sentence is poorly constructed Woodbine then either read it in more detail until you are able to make sense of it or reword like you think it should be so I can at least see where your problem is.

It's not my problem, Gary. I've no interest in correcting the grammar of a deranged internet nomad.

Everywhere you land people tell you they cannot understand what your theory is supposed to explain. But instead of taking the hint and attempting to fashion your ever-expanding document into something vaguely coherent your response is to blame the reader*.

This is your problem, Gary.

*(...and cry 'bully', bang on about Kathy, post Youtube videos, type out long, rambling autobiographical screeds, insist you're not going to waste any more time etc....)

Date: 2013/11/05 06:20:30, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 05 2013,09:43)
I don't plan to add that detail into the theory right now. I'll leave that up to a physicist to work on, someday....

Date: 2013/11/05 07:08:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 04 2013,17:07)
But the good news for today is that another one of the sources of stench (a defamatory Atheist website representing academia that targeted me personally) just went down the crapper, and is now gone for good from the internet.

This is what Gary was referring to....

Strangling the English Language
Let me introduce Gary Gaulin

Late of several fora, currently residing at After The Bar Closes. Gary's prose has been suggested as a reliable Vogon deterrent.

He's a fairly standard Dunning & Kruger genius who has developed a 'theory of intelligent design'. No, not the standard IDiot model, even they will have nothing to do with him. Basically molecules and cells are intelligent and change in organisms is from these intelligent molecules and cells making 'guesses'.

Heres a somewhat random Laddie GaGa example WOT:

(followed by one of Gary's walls of tard)

That's it.

One post in one thread in the entire AFA forum (as far as I can tell) and that's enough for Gary's persecution complex/paranoia to kick in and suddenly the whole place is targeting him personally.

See, Gary, this is what happens when you start Googling yourself.

Date: 2013/11/05 08:13:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
2008 vintage....

Theory of Intelligent Design (Version 3.5)

The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause _ present at the levels of cellular and molecular, which is emergent from the behavior of atoms, which is emergent from the behavior of subatomic particles, which is emergent from the behavior of energy that became the universe wherein forces (bonding, polar) self-assemble cell membranes and crystalline designs where molecular behavior produces simple snowflakes to the highly complex genome catalyzed ATP synthase, flagellum motors, with far simpler starter mechanisms to begin design of living things including sunlight powered clay/dust/mineral metabolic pathways to power forward/reverse Krebs Cycle metabolism that produces the starting molecules all else (including genome) self-assembles from which from as little as a single codon replicates more advanced memory based intelligence producing mechanisms (genetic memory, somatic hypermutation) that increase in complexity in much the same way a cellular level brain learns and with motor action powered by molecular forces that through reproduction one step at a time build upon a previous design as is evidenced by the fossil record where never once was there not a design present for the new design to have come from.

Five years later and..... ???

Date: 2013/11/05 13:47:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Fancy a cheap giggle?

As you know, during the Dover trial Jon Buell failed to convince anyone that the Foundation for Thought & Ethics was anything other than a Christian enterprise.

And if you look at the earliest available newsletter (October 2006) you won't find a single mention of God, the bible or anything overtly religious beyond a spirited promotion of ID.

Here's how Buell signs off the October '06 newsletter....
And now, the good news! For a minimum of 30 days, the entire evening will be available on the internet for viewing around the world! Wherever it is seen, the interview of Bill Dembski and a detailed graphic will instruct interested viewers how to receive their own 20% introductory discount on The Design of Life. This discount can be secured anytime through the end of calendar year, 2006.

Be very encouraged, friends. Most of the thousands in attendance were young. Intelligent design is on the march! Some day soon, millions of young people, whether they are able to study ID or not, will be eagerly devouring it on their own. Your continued generous support will help speed that day!


Jon Buell, President

See? No religion here. How dare anyone think otherwise.

(Insert 8 years of increasing irrelevance, shrinking coffers and mounting desperation)

So, here we are in 2013. Let's check out FTE's April newslet....
Storming the Strongholds

Friends, at a time when many fear that our freedoms are slipping forever away, let me offer you a perspective that will strengthen your hope and turn dread into rejoicing!

We never tire of reminding you and all our partners that II Corinthians 10:3-5 captures the founding vision, the mission, and the work of FTE:

For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God.

.....umm, Jon, I thought...?

The Power of the "Untutored"

Jon and Linda with Kerby Anderson In Mind and Cosmos, Nagel states "I would like to defend the untutored reaction of incredulity to the reductionist neo-Darwinian account of the origin and evolution of life" (p.6). Friends, you and I are among the "untutored" Nagel would defend. Let me go a step further. You may not hold a Ph.D. in science, mathematics or philosophy, but God can and is using you to fulfill His agenda for the world. When you join with us and with others in this battle, you are fueling resistance to the Lie facing this generation. You are a vital part of this work. You are helping bring down the strongholds. I urge you to continue partnering with us as fully as you can and to stand and walk tall in the footsteps of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. We are advancing to victory!

Because He lives,

Jon Buell, President

Ah well, at least you gave it a go, Jon. That's the main thing.


Date: 2013/11/07 08:47:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary's work appears indistinguishable from a school project. Just a hodge-podge of ideas you could easily find on Wikipedia collected together and labelled a 'theory'.

Gary, what is novel about your theory? What are you proposing that hasn't been proposed before/elsewhere?

Date: 2013/11/10 09:09:10, Link
Author: Woodbine


Date: 2013/11/10 15:12:15, Link
Author: Woodbine


Date: 2013/11/12 00:44:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 12 2013,06:38)
I am not interested in the usual complaints.....

Date: 2013/11/12 04:54:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
She keeps him in the cellar. Why am I not surprised.

Date: 2013/11/12 16:38:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
This is for use as a starting point for your 2D and (quantum computer recommended) 3D models demonstrating the phenomena of "intelligent cause" using multiple entities in environment more representative of cells or primitive genome such as self-replicating RNA/DNA representative of viruses still flourishing in host environments now available for these molecular intelligence systems to control.

"Brilliant!" - Gary Gaulin's wife/carer

Date: 2013/11/12 16:45:35, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hey, Gary.

Here's another instance of you blaming everyone else for your shitty financial situation....

Please explain to everyone how people on the internet are responsible for you not having any money?


Date: 2013/11/12 16:46:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Page bug.

Date: 2013/11/13 11:36:55, Link
Author: Woodbine

Fawning toadie.

Sal gives the shit you wipe off your shoe a bad name.

Date: 2013/11/14 14:25:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary's 'work' makes much more sense if you have a theremin playing in the background.

Date: 2013/11/15 14:59:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Creationism is about what is "Poof!" and it's there, does not evolve, and staying in-spirit with what scriptures have to say about things that comes from not being afraid to make sense of the Trinity then after finding something scientifically useful word that into the paragraph. This theory is able to accomplish that mission, with what its saying a heck of a lot more faith-friendly than what Richard Dawkins is saying, even though some of the music that guides me is borderline irreverent, but for the reason of defining extremes the theory is stuck between, where you are now helping too.


Date: 2013/11/15 15:38:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (JohnW @ Nov. 15 2013,21:08)
Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 15 2013,12:59)
Creationism is about what is "Poof!" and it's there, does not evolve, and staying in-spirit with what scriptures have to say about things that comes from not being afraid to make sense of the Trinity then after finding something scientifically useful word that into the paragraph. This theory is able to accomplish that mission, with what its saying a heck of a lot more faith-friendly than what Richard Dawkins is saying, even though some of the music that guides me is borderline irreverent, but for the reason of defining extremes the theory is stuck between, where you are now helping too.


You mean you're not concerned about staying in-spirit with what scriptures have to say about things that comes from not being afraid to make sense of the Trinity then after finding something scientifically useful word that into the paragraph, Woodbine?  Then how do you expect to accomplish that mission, with what its saying a heck of a lot more faith-friendly than what Richard Dawkins is saying, even though some of the music that guides me is borderline irreverent, but for the reason of defining extremes the theory is stuck between, where you are now helping too?!

Date: 2013/11/16 19:32:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
All this drama over one fucking paragraph. One paragraph. And it is still laughably terrible....
Third cellular intelligence is the intelligent cause of multicellular intelligence...

And there's another 40 pages of this gibberish!

Gary, are you now beginning to understand?

Is it finally getting through to you just how incomprehensible your 'theory' is to anyone other than yourself and your imaginary friends? Look how much effort it is taking just to bludgeon one of your paragraphs into shape and yet you continue to believe that it's other people's fault for not 'getting it'.

Date: 2013/11/16 19:58:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
He's a charmer....

Date: 2013/11/17 12:02:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
I think until the divorce papers come through Gary's wife is just placating him. That said I wouldn't be surprised to learn she's a desiccated mummy in a rocking chair.

Date: 2013/11/18 06:31:20, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 18 2013,11:04)
And for this morning's improvements....

Date: 2013/11/18 07:02:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 18 2013,12:33)
Grow up child.

no u

Date: 2013/11/18 10:30:41, Link
Author: Woodbine
From here.

Note the date. Eight years later and....


Date: 2013/11/18 12:57:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
Why don't you organize a Kickstarter, Gary?

There's bound to be people daft enough to fund your rewriting the same paragraph for another eight years.

Date: 2013/11/19 04:41:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
I've stopped beating Gary's wife, hth.

Date: 2013/11/19 05:54:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 19 2013,10:53)
At least it's good to know that science is still going my way, even though the US science and education system that controls it are still corrupt.

Corrupt = Won't give me money.

Date: 2013/11/19 08:25:47, Link
Author: Woodbine

You just know Gary believes that the author of that article is endorsing his 40 pages of gibberish (plus VBasic program) just because he used that tiny graphic.

Much like Gary continues to believe his bug winning a competition at Planet Source Code osmotically validates any old crap he happens to include in the zip file.

From the article....

So, how do we figure it out? We look at what we already know (or what we think we know), we look at whatever thing it is that we’d like to know, and we come up with ways to test it. Sometimes that means getting your hands dirty and doing a number of different experiments, sometimes it means gathering a whole bunch of data and observations from previous or natural tests, sometimes it means creating incredibly complex models and simulations, and it often means questioning and challenging your initial assumptions.

Practically all of the time, there are mistakes, difficulties, re-tests, and do-overs that need to happen before we figure it out. The “how” of how this all works involves an incredible amount of hard, careful, and often tedious work.

Alternatively you could spend eight years unsuccessfully hawking an incomprehensible 40 page PDF file around the internet while complaining about government corruption, shaky finances and bullying.

Date: 2013/11/19 13:31:43, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary Gaulin on Charles Darwin

A: The only thing Darwinian theory predicts is that there has been change over time, from a common ancestor.

B: Whatever cannot survive is soon gone.

C: A three year old could figure out A.

Congratulations, Gary; you are worse than Conservapedia.

Date: 2013/11/19 15:03:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 19 2013,20:54)
I very much understand his theory.

No you don't.

But then nobody outside your feverish imagination understands your theory, either, so it all balances out.

Date: 2013/11/20 01:10:01, Link
Author: Woodbine
The idiot most likely got into a fight with himself on the internet. Right now he's hiding behind a tree overlooking the parking lot, waiting for his alter ego to show up before running away. Trouble is his alter ego is doing the exact same thing.

Date: 2013/11/20 12:09:38, Link
Author: Woodbine
Seems like a pretty quotidian topic to get him out in public again.

Well he's no longer cooking at the SES meth-lab so he's got some time on his hands.

Date: 2013/11/20 16:20:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
I think Rich was Joe all these years.

Date: 2013/11/21 12:30:42, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 21 2013,18:10)
This forum has very clearly been insultingly demanding that I use terminology you want used instead, while insisting that a theory like this is scientifically useless to everyone.

You are only fooling yourself by making it appear that the opposite is true.

But it is useless, Gary.

There is nothing in your theory that is new or useful. All you've done is spend the last 8 years collecting bits and pieces from around the web and then compiled them into a 40 page scrap-book.

Gary, see if you can answer this question honestly....

Who uses (or has ever used) your 'theory' as a basis for scientific research?

Date: 2013/11/21 15:42:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Hi Gary,

Who uses (or has ever used) your 'theory' as a basis for scientific research?

Date: 2013/11/22 03:15:19, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 22 2013,08:38)
Gary truley is a poster child:

It has to be said that on the gentler slopes of the crackpot index Gary scores intermittently. However as we approach the daunting massif of Mount Incomprehensible Gary brings out the big guns....

33: 40 points for comparing those who argue against your ideas to Nazis, stormtroopers, or brownshirts.

34: 40 points for claiming that the "scientific establishment" is engaged in a "conspiracy" to prevent your work from gaining its well-deserved fame, or suchlike.

35: 40 points for comparing yourself to Galileo, suggesting that a modern-day Inquisition is hard at work on your case, and so on.

36: 40 points for claiming that when your theory is finally appreciated, present-day science will be seen for the sham it truly is. (30 more points for fantasizing about show trials in which scientists who mocked your theories will be forced to recant.)

37: 50 points for claiming you have a revolutionary theory but giving no concrete testable predictions.

Date: 2013/11/24 13:46:09, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ Nov. 24 2013,19:22)
And here StephenB's full-blown homophobia, stupidity, and ignorance shows why he is properly regarded as one of the leading intellectuals of the intelligent design movement.

That's worth archiving.

Date: 2013/11/27 07:36:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (NoName @ Nov. 27 2013,12:57)
'Finished' appears to be another one of those terms that Gary has, um idiosyncratic definitions for.
Remember what happened when he declared his paper on his 'theory' was 'finished'?  Days upon days of furious changes, hours and hours of turd-polishing, and many many 'now it's perfect' moments interspersed throughout.
There's no reason to suppose that his coding will be any different.  Useless, overelaborated, celebrated (solely by Gary) for all the wrong reasons*, and never complete.

Something that jumped out at me...
....I unexpectedly got busy at my day job, which helped set me behind schedule but the good news is the new more modular code is all working together.

Behind schedule?

Gary, you've been tinkering with this stuff for 8 years, what possible schedule can you be working under? Nobody outside your paranoid mind is waiting for you to finish your 'work' (except, perhaps, your poor family).

Date: 2013/11/28 21:05:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Nov. 29 2013,00:58)
The code and theory might seem like just another cognitive model that seems to have little relevance to all else in biology, but having one that is still holding up to what Quack finds (loves latest self-assembly) makes it possible for even an ID hater to be thankful for having become caught-up in a theory later cherished in a way it becomes what each child still knows, hence: This night, we pray, our lives, will show, this dream, [we/]he [have/]had, each child, still knows:

Peak Gibberish.

Date: 2013/12/05 16:25:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 05 2013,21:11)
I can easily ask the same of you and anyone else here: Take a look at what you have achieved over 286 pages in your own thread. Have you used it wisely?

Well, nobody else has managed to bring themselves to the brink of homelessness so I reckon it's safe to say that every single person in this thread has used their time more wisely than you.

Date: 2013/12/07 12:03:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 06 2013,02:32)
"Lie" implies tha Barry is smart enough to understand he is wrong.

Let alone spell it.

Date: 2013/12/07 12:23:12, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 06 2013,04:43)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 05 2013,22:31)
Or get his buddy Luskin to hook him up with that sweet sweet DI money.

Are you talking about a class action lawsuit against publicly funded scientific funding agencies with a policy to discriminate based upon who the applicant knows and their "title" instead of what they actually know and have accomplished (cronyism)?

Date: 2013/12/11 18:14:34, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 11 2013,22:41)
Our molecular intelligence in us right now is estimated to be at least several billions years old, into its development. We are all like one thought in its long lifetime, with a developmental stages that are being figured out using phylogenetics.

Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of Visual Basic.

Date: 2013/12/12 06:44:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
You any good at sign language, Gary?

Date: 2013/12/12 09:33:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 12 2013,14:47)
It's posts like that from the company of of this board that keep me here. Not the inane blatherings from the idiot son of stupid America. Merry Christmas ATBC I'm off to Japan for a bit of R&R with my family. Keep your foot on the head of ignorance.

Fair winds and following tards, K.e!

(don't eat any glowing fish over there)

Date: 2013/12/13 20:56:27, Link
Author: Woodbine
Been having a quick skim through some of Mapou's bible-based science at his website. Based upon every science fiction trope imaginable his interpretation of certain key passages we can expect the following....
Free Energy(natch)

Current energy production (power plants), storage (batteries and fuel cells) and distribution technologies (power grid) will be quickly superseded. Every home will be energy self-sufficient and will have its own compact, self-contained power generation unit. An ecological and economic windfall will follow. Developing nations will no longer depend on imported oil or have to use charcoal and wood for fuel. This will lead to the regeneration of denuded tropical forests. Air pollution and greenhouse gases will be a thing of the past. Hydroelectric dams will be dismantled and the flooded fields will be reclaimed for agriculture or wildlife sanctuaries. Since oil prices will plummet, oil-producing nations will no longer be able to generate income from their stockpile of oil. This will create a dangerous shift in the balance of economic power around the world which will likely lead to catastrophic wars. Some of these nations will see no way out but to invest their fast dwindling wealth into acquiring military power based on the new technology.

Fast Transportation

All current ground, sea, air and space transportation systems will become obsolete. This means there will no longer be a need for things like combustion engines, wheels, tires, rockets, railroads, transmissions, brakes, propellers, sails, airports, paved roads, highways, bridges, traffic signals, etc... As a result, transportation related industries will have to undergo a severe transformation in order to adjust to the new reality. Future vehicles will go almost anywhere with no visible means of propulsion and they will make no sound as they move. They will be able to do so at extremely high speeds. Even right angle turns will be negotiated at high speeds. Inertial effects will not be felt because every atom or particle that comprises a vehicle and its cargo will undergo equal acceleration. This means that moving vehicles will be able to come to a full stop within a fraction of a second without incurring any damage. City dwellers will use small personal devices (flying chairs?) to float around effortlessly. Normal walking will no longer be a necessity.

Floating Cities(!)

Many buildings and even entire cities will float in midair and, in the event of inclement weather, will rise out of harm's way. Many people will choose not to live in cities at all, preferring instead a nomadic lifestyle. Indeed, why live in a fixed apartment if the entire apartment can move almost anywhere. Many inhabited outposts will be built in outer space and on off-world bodies such as the moon, Mars or Jupiter's moons. All heavy industries will be moved off the surface of earth to minimize pollution and accidents. Most of the accessible planetary bodies in the solar system, including asteroids, will be mined for minerals. International disputes will flare up with regard to the administration, ownership and mining rights of space resources.

Sounds relatively idyllic, no? But wait....
Big Brother

Given the potential of the new technology for abuse, governments will find it necessary to impose strict control over its use. All vehicles intended for public transportation will have to be either self-operating or severely restricted so as to prevent accidents and unauthorized uses. Electronic-enabled, invisible highways will have to be installed in order to automatically guide vehicular traffic along approved routes. However, the simplicity of the new technology means that almost anybody will be able to conduct experiments and build powerful and dangerous machines in their own homes or backyards. Governments will be forced to enact stringent new laws against private experiments and impose severe penalties for unauthorized use. Somehow, I doubt that any regulation will stop people from tinkering with gadgets on their own. Worse, there are those who will immediately start building automated delivery systems for weapons of mass destruction since distance and international borders will no longer be a deterrent. Authorities will have to rely heavily on widespread surveillance technologies to maintain security.

Wars and Rumors of Wars

The nations of the world will waste no time seeing the military implications of the new technology. The powers that be will use the new science to develop extremely powerful offensive weapons and sophisticated countermeasures for their own protection. Many weak and poor nations will become strong and rich. Countries like the US, Russia, Brazil, India, Japan and China will become much more powerful than they already are both economically and militarily. The more powerful nations will find themselves under tremendous pressure to preemptively strike their weaker enemies before the latter can have time to build up their military arsenal.

Mapou concludes on a hopeful note. While it might get a bit scary in the future chances are someone will have our back. Can you guess who?

Brave New World

We are about to enter an age that is both dangerous and promising. The short term outlook is very bleak indeed. Global disaster looms menacingly on the horizon. Will we survive? Will we acknowledge the sacred source of the new science and change our ways? One thing is certain, whatever happens will not happen overnight but it will happen very fast. I hope I am wrong but my understanding of Biblical prophecy leads me to think that, at the last minute, the world will be rescued from its collective madness and the brink of disaster but not before going through a brief period of intense tribulation. After that, utopia.

All Science So Far

Date: 2013/12/15 01:48:10, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 15 2013,05:24)
You were conveniently there, so I told you about it.

Date: 2013/12/15 04:44:18, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 15 2013,08:26)
Elsewhere on UD, Barry asks "Why Can’t God Be More Like All the Nice People I Know?". I think a more pressing question is Why Can’t Barry Be More Like All the Nice People I Know?

Remember when they actually tried to hide it? Ahh, the good ol' days.

Date: 2013/12/18 12:45:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
He's out hunting the biggest number in the universe.

He may be gone for some time.

Date: 2013/12/22 19:38:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 22 2013,13:58)
Kathy, since you would have read a ways back in the thread and watch a number of videos to make full sense of my making your Christmas dreams cyan-brighter too, it's the video from the same group that sings Carol of the Bells, Pentatonix. The cyan blue eyes, or glasses that make a black background eyes get drawn upon, white circles in the background, her antenna-like eyebrows and other features makes them (in an art sense) right out of the IDLab and into human form. It shows what ID culture-change looks like, and where compared to Miley Cyrus way of getting attention it's hard to complain about their "get lucky" lyrics. They are only as dirty as someone's mind is. In metaphor you and I got lucky in science and at least I sometimes like Santa, to stay up all night working on what hits the ball out of the ballpark.

I sense that part of the reason the song is having such phenomenal success is it being just right for a modern safe for kids wedding dance song with just the right elements to be fun to dance to, that keeps things moving from one thing to next on the floor, without having to learn any particular step or take lessons. Music artists dream of finding a vibe like that. It's no doubt a dream come true for all in/with Pentatonix. What did it for them so visually connects to the IDLab it has a mysterious way of helping make our dream come true. For you it's making sure traditional marriage with church to have a ceremony in or sing carols inside are not made extinct by cultural obliteration from attacking all that. But it's not in the best interest of Pentatonix and other culture changers who write and perform wedding music and such. Culture would simply be boring without it, so you're not alone in your hopes for the future.

Of course I never exactly know where the in-step culture change comes from and for all I know they never heard of me. It could just be a couple decades of coincidences from my best I can trying to stay in step with culture changers, by including what they need to know to make use of the science theory. Before the internet there was a fax network between US radio stations that I faxed into, where it's like in this forum trying to stay as ahead of the science curve as possible. That is what culture changers need to know to find a vibe that has them at the right place and right time, and where necessary with their science just right.

At the very least the video shows what I would consider a best-case scenario for ideas that come me. They should end up with a hit that helps makes their musical careers, while also ushering in what they find worth ushering in, where cyan colored eyes and explaining a dream is all that's necessary for it to next end up dancing inside of science by the more classroom scientific theory part, and outside on the radio and these days YouTube broadcasting into our schools, from where we're normally knee deep in the hoopla (of the ID controversy that's not all bad once gotten used to).

Starship - We Built This City

With that all said with a link for "hoopla" I'll make sure to post this email to you in the forum as my Sunday before Christmas reply to everyone, so none there are left out of the good clean (enough) science fun from theory that Kansas educators helped make happen, by long ago stirring things up just right.

Merry Christmas again, to you Kathy, and all where you are who help make the holiday extra special to us both..


Date: 2013/12/28 21:04:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 29 2013,02:49)
scordova patiently explains that ID is totes different than creationism. ...and then starts saying how it could be plausible that Noah's flood happened. And then the first non-sal comment is 'Barb' spending 1000+ words on how science proves the flood happened. And then JGuy starts quoting Genesis and speculating on the physics of the water canopy. And then Scordova starts babbling about animations of the 'fountains of the deep'. and BornAgain starts talking about how the flood was prob 13,000-14,000 years ago, blah blah Henry Morris blah blah quantum mechanics blah blah John 4:14.

Don't you all have such egg on your faces, confusing ID with creationism.

And just for good measure the inimitable Robert Byers channels his inner Mel Gibson....

Date: 2013/12/29 21:25:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
The theory and I are for-real all or nothing for-them with science to help make the NGSS worth teaching from.


Date: 2014/01/02 05:01:51, Link
Author: Woodbine
Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard

What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.

Date: 2014/01/03 21:43:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Quack @ Jan. 03 2014,09:13)
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 02 2014,05:01)
Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard

What a magnificent name! Even if it is tempting to swap the....

A belated happy new orbit, everyone.

And a magnficient person as well, with sparkling Attenboroughesque enhusiasm.
Is this what you had in mind: Knut Jörgen Röed Ödegård?

No, it was infinitely more rude.

Date: 2014/01/04 05:00:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Driver @ Jan. 04 2014,05:17)
Quote (N.Wells @ Jan. 04 2014,04:31)
As people have been telling you, you need version numbers.

Well, not everyone, as it's akin to saying Michael Schumacher needs a wheelchair.

Gary's 'theory' predicted Schumacher's accident.

(And if you believe Mapou, probably the bible did, too).

Date: 2014/01/05 18:39:16, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, the reason you believe we're in a Darwinian Dark Age is because you can't afford to keep the lights on at Gaulin Motel.

And the reason you can't afford to keep the lights on is because you believe 'Big Science' somehow owes you for living near some dino footprints and wasting 8 years programming a useless VBasic roomba.

And the reason you feel entitled to all this, and the reason why 2014 will follow the same depressing pattern as the previous eight years is because you are a deluded, narcissistic fool with no obvious connection to reality.

But, hey....maybe after another 300 pages of fail the penny will drop.*

* nope

Date: 2014/01/07 08:26:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 07 2014,13:48)
I need a better tactic against this organized deception that is literally killing my wife and I.

Gary's strategy for scientific renewal....

1: Spend eight years trolling the internet with a useless VBasic program and a 40 page scrap-book of gibberish.






Gary, please describe this 'organized deception' and the way in which it is killing you and your wife. We only do churches and isolated acts of biological terrorism here so you must have someone else in mind.

Date: 2014/01/07 10:49:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Why are you killing your wife, Gary?

Date: 2014/01/07 11:13:58, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Jan. 07 2014,17:11)
Joe's absence has provided us with a novel opportunity to observe a new dimension of irrational behaviour borne of being ignored and rejected. I find it more entertaining watching his desperation blogging driven by inattention.


Date: 2014/01/09 06:33:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Arctodus23 @ Jan. 09 2014,10:49)
Here's some forums Gaulin's slimy touch has reached:

This only scratches the surface. It would be easier to list the forums Gary hasn't joined, innocently requesting 'informal peer review'.

Date: 2014/01/10 06:20:44, Link
Author: Woodbine
Princess Amygdala.

Date: 2014/01/13 17:57:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
Being as Communion....isn't this the book Templeton paid Dembski a stack of cash for a decade ago?

Date: 2014/01/22 00:27:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
I was entertaining myself on the way to work this morning listening to Rush Limbaugh....

Kinkhoffer indeed.

Date: 2014/01/27 02:44:47, Link
Author: Woodbine
I wonder how long it takes Slimy Sal to headline the following at UD....

Date: 2014/01/28 10:43:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
Fuck me, who's next? Byers?

Date: 2014/01/29 10:49:02, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 29 2014,04:27)
It's a shame that the Darwinist judge held the 40 day trial behind closed doors and didn't allow transcripts to be published.

A typical Evo-Mat tactic, that - hiding in plain sight.

Back, and to the left....

Date: 2014/01/30 04:12:29, Link
Author: Woodbine
.....during the morning hours of 6 April 1977, my wife correctly removed herself and our children from my immediate influence. At noon, I went to my car....and found a short cryptic note on the front seat. It said that in order to protect herself and our children from my depraved behavior, she had moved out of the house and taken the children out of my grasp.

Take note, Gaulin.

Date: 2014/02/02 10:51:45, Link
Author: Woodbine
No way is that Gildo.

Leaving aside the wanton disregard for punctuation, spelling and the shift-key in those comments, there's no way Dodgen would ever attempt to actually argue a point with anyone.

No, the only reason he ever graced the internet was to remind everyone how well educated he was, how transparently bogus evolution is and to thank Jesus for rescuing him from the abyssal maw of atheism.

Date: 2014/02/02 17:21:31, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 02 2014,19:50)
Mapou February 2, 2014 at 1:03 pm
drc466 @11,

Look man. I am not in a good mood, right now. Don’t even address me, alright? I got no respect for you and your kind. I am not afraid of you nor am I deterred by either you or the Darwinists and the atheists. You are all one of a kind, IMO, purveyors of lies and deception. The devil is your God and you can all kiss my asteroid. How about that?

Yeah, just leave him the fuck alone...m'kay?

While everyone else is purveying lies and deception Mapou has got his plate full....

Take that Darwinists!  :angry:

Date: 2014/02/03 06:36:37, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2014/02/03 08:55:14, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 03 2014,14:23)
It's still getting more than enough reads, from where it's now available, to totally demolish the credibility of all its critics.

Argumentum ad Dan Brown

Date: 2014/02/03 17:41:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 03 2014,21:21)
Fattytard on his own blog finally admits to ID's real dilemma:

Stop criticizing ID for focusing on probabilities when that is all we have

Joe-Tard POTW?

Date: 2014/02/04 04:58:07, Link
Author: Woodbine
Gary, you are the Daniel Songer of science.

Date: 2014/02/06 18:15:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 06 2014,22:01)
Quote (jeffox @ Feb. 06 2014,13:12)
I'm not at all impressed by your method of measuring scientific success. You only helped explain why half of what gets published in academic journals is rubbish, and what remains is often tripe.

Ya ya, and science isn't impressed with the unsupported opinions of a crackpot.
Meanwhile, people who actually read the articles in scientific journals have an excellent track record of positive results in the fields of agriculture, astronomy, medicine, mining, manufacturing, invention, entertainment, and social advancement (something I pointed out before).

Hey crackpot, maybe you should try to keep-up with reality:

Too many of the findings that fill the academic ether are the result of shoddy experiments or poor analysis (see article). A rule of thumb among biotechnology venture-capitalists is that half of published research cannot be replicated. Even that may be optimistic. Last year researchers at one biotech firm, Amgen, found they could reproduce just six of 53 “landmark” studies in cancer research. Earlier, a group at Bayer, a drug company, managed to repeat just a quarter of 67 similarly important papers. A leading computer scientist frets that three-quarters of papers in his subfield are bunk. In 2000-10 roughly 80,000 patients took part in clinical trials based on research that was later retracted because of mistakes or improprieties.



A load of rubbish gets published in science journals so why won't they publish my rubbish? Stalin, that's why!

Date: 2014/02/09 09:06:22, Link
Author: Woodbine
God, the extremely advanced being

Poor God, just doesn't get the props these days.


Date: 2014/02/23 15:22:59, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2014/02/23 16:42:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 23 2014,21:42)
Those books can answer important outstanding science questions like "How much thermite does it take to get rid of 322 really horribly-written books"?

Funny you should mention thermite. On ARN's front page we find this plug for Michael Behe...

The Mind Renewed podcast? Who are they, you ask?


E: forgot link.

Date: 2014/02/24 04:00:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 24 2014,07:30)
Where are these hot good looking robots? who is defining what robot beauty is?

Chalmers, Byers. Chalmers.

Best damn model they ever put out.

Date: 2014/02/25 10:47:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Far better would have been to use those seven minutes to recount the record of accomplishment of intelligent design.

William Dembski - 7'00''

Date: 2014/02/25 14:39:05, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 25 2014,19:42)
Quote (Driver @ Feb. 25 2014,02:05)
Quote (timothya @ Feb. 25 2014,07:37)
Is it just me or do you think it passing strange that the Carroll/Craig debate happened without acknowledgement, advertising or commentary by anyone at UD or EN&V? I may have missed their references, but what gives when one of the DI Fellows makes a big noise with a prominent cosmologist and then . . . nothing?

Craig was destroyed.

It's like the 2001 Haverford conference, then. Behe, Dembski, and Nord debated Miller, me, and Scott. Just try finding IDC advocates bragging about that...

[tinfoilhat]Wesley, every video at that site works....except yours.[/tinfoilhat]

Date: 2014/02/26 05:30:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 26 2014,10:06)
That will teach me....

No it won't.
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 26 2014,10:06)
I need to do a better job....

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 26 2014,10:06) this toilet of a forum.

Gary Gaulin
Joined: Oct. 2012
Posts: 2664

Date: 2014/02/28 06:16:53, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2014/02/28 06:26:26, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 28 2014,07:38)
Here I am already overwhelemed with science work on one of the most complex scientific theories of them all, going out of me mind keeping up with the latest information on how intelligence work and at the same time paying bills I have to pay to help support most of their asses while our house and tracksite are being slowly taken away (like our car was) and all they can do is throw insults while expecting me to also write a paper on a computer model that's still in the works but already published online!!!


"Honey, they're taking the car!"

"Shut up woman! I'm doing SCIENCE!"

Date: 2014/02/28 13:12:15, Link
Author: Woodbine
Who the hell bolds brackets?

(Big shout out to the imaginary non-English speakers following Gary's descent into madness.)

Date: 2014/03/01 17:27:24, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 01 2014,18:56)
You're such a special case, so out on a limb you're on your own as to where the force of the wedge goes. Probably don't much care, because you are just a troll from hell, in a toilet of a forum I could not make more profane and all else by my being where the sinners are, to help save them from scientific ruin by not knowing how to lighten up and make the best of the way things are, instead of fighting it.

Now he's Science Jesus.

Date: 2014/03/03 09:53:52, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 02 2014,22:49)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 02 2014,16:20)
Quote (Woodbine @ Mar. 01 2014,17:27)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 01 2014,18:56)
You're such a special case, so out on a limb you're on your own as to where the force of the wedge goes. Probably don't much care, because you are just a troll from hell, in a toilet of a forum I could not make more profane and all else by my being where the sinners are, to help save them from scientific ruin by not knowing how to lighten up and make the best of the way things are, instead of fighting it.

Now he's Science Jesus.

I can answer that real quick by saying: The mainstream religion that most defines a revered respect that comes from someone who from science reveals useful knowledge for explaining how we are created is Islam, where that is the status of a "Prophet" who followed Prophet Jesus then Prophet Muhammad but there is no competition with either, and scripture remains the same. It's more like after studying the two prophets the religion was founded on there are others who came later that can be studied who made the religion what it is today and those prophets are not in competition with Prophet Muhammad either. The recognition is not from religious work or from being born in Islamic culture and always being at the Mosque on time, it's from things like good deeds in its honor that are real-life David versus Goliath battles where with the fate of the religion seems uncertain in an always changing world. In my case: To achieve my mission, as Islam would want me to be, is to take the advice from long ago that came from ones who were born in Islamic culture while working with them on ways to make another Golden Age of Islamic Science happen, and other things that might at first sound impossible and overly renegade like maybe a threat to US national security or something. In just the time since then Islamic culture has become much more like that, with whether it is Golden for them or not is up to them to decide by how much has changed for the better because of science that already started with them then to others, without Islam suffering on account of the scientific transformation. To be doing right by them I have to walk in the shoes of Prophet Muhammad where it's more like doing what he would do as a diplomatic peacekeeper to help your people out, while not forgetting our "spiritual needs" which gets into a whole lot of other writing about something that is a part of being human where even if you choose not to decide then you still have made a choice.

When the inevitable hearing on whether to have Gary committed or not happens, this will be exhibit A.

I think even prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would want Gary committed.

Date: 2014/03/05 22:25:50, Link
Author: Woodbine
Kairosfocus - the cultless cult leader.

Date: 2014/03/07 14:53:21, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 07 2014,18:22)
Rather reminds me of how dangerous — literally, not figuratively — it was to deal with communist agitators back in the day

No doubt they hijacked airplanes and flew them into volcanoes, which is why Montserrat is mostly uninhabitable.

They weren't DC-8s were they?

Date: 2014/03/08 15:37:17, Link
Author: Woodbine
We'd better check in on the Montserrat Volcano Observatory

Considering he's currently round the bend, imagine Gordon's psychological state at 3 or above.

Date: 2014/03/08 21:25:32, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 08 2014,01:26)
I just gave a couple more examples of how I influence science, on a daily basis, by being where the science action is at.

Burger King?

Date: 2014/03/10 04:04:39, Link
Author: Woodbine
It looks as if Overwhelming Evidence has gone extinct. The front page had been hanging on for years but, if my internets are reliable, it's finally disappeared.

So it's a perfect excuse to post this.....


Oh, William.

Date: 2014/03/10 15:13:25, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (Driver @ Mar. 10 2014,19:51)
The difference is that Dembski didn't get a squillion dollars for selling

Plus, Dembski isn't everyone's friend.

Also, Byers arrives fashionably retarded at Young Cosmos 2....

Date: 2014/03/10 15:42:49, Link
Author: Woodbine
James Tour....

I will tell you as a scientist and a synthetic chemist: if anybody should be able to understand evolution, it is me, because I make molecules for a living, and I don’t just buy a kit, and mix this and mix this, and get that. I mean, ab initio, I make molecules.

Fucking hell, he's channeling Gil Dodgen.

Date: 2014/03/14 07:00:11, Link
Author: Woodbine
Denyse sold a book!!!

Previously....(Feb 23, 2014)



Date: 2014/03/19 09:52:23, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2014/03/23 21:45:03, Link
Author: Woodbine
Even the Borg wouldn't assimilate you, Gary.

Date: 2014/04/06 22:09:26, Link
Author: Woodbine

Date: 2014/04/13 07:40:06, Link
Author: Woodbine
Quote (REC @ April 12 2014,23:29)
I call Bullshit.

We had an experience a couple years ago where some of the Discovery scientists were traveling with one of our supporters. So that night, we were at this cowboy steakhouse feeding the troops.

Ok....Didn't know the DI had a travelling circus....but whatever....

So I jumped in and offered the Discovery Institute credit card to pay for the Discovery Institute scientists, and this young waitress came back with the bill and the credit card. And she looked left and looked right and lowered her voice and said, "Can you tell me what the Discovery Institute is?"

Nope. Not happening. Waited tables, and you know damn better than to ask about a company credit card when people are entertaining. Or to express even passing interest at all in peoples' plastic which they are very protective of.

Though my bigger objection should be "Discovery Institute scientists," of which there are 0. Anti-science-ists, plenty.


Well, I said, we're a scientific think tank, and we're investigating the evidence for intelligent design and challenging standard Darwin. She says, "I thought so!"

I'll poll 300 "U" students right now. Odds of even one having heard of the Discovery Institute? Lol.

She said, "Our professors hate you." And then she motioned to three other waiters and waitresses. She says, "I'm a bio major at the U, and so are they, and, I'm telling you, our professors hate you.

How did this come up? In Bio 101, the profs announce "F-intelligent design idiots and the Discovery Institute we hate them", and this woman happens to remember it when she sees your credit card? We don't bring up the "controversy" in college classes. There is no controversy. Outside of idiot school boards in red states, you don't even exist.

But then we go on your website and we see those animations of all those little machines and we say, 'No way did that evolve.'

Nope. But how proud are you that the total of your "science" can be expressed in an emotional reaction?
Nope. We're no relative of apes. Nope that's complex-no way it evolved." God done it!

Yep, it's practically a Chick tract.

(I wonder if Casey had to sit on the big cushion at the table.)

Date: 2014/04/15 19:33:55, Link
Author: Woodbine
What happened to Bung's "I'm mental and I'm not responsible for anything I say" gambit?

Date: 2014/04/16 19:26:04, Link
Author: Woodbine
I think his wife left him again.