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Date: 2007/04/27 12:43:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I orignially found my way to PT while looking for material for teaching Biology for the first time.  I work in a tiny highschool in a tiny town, so even though my training is mostly in chemistry (BS plus some graduate work), I teach all the science classes.  I eventually found my way here, and stayed for the comic catharsis of watching the Davetards of the world demolished.  

My thanks to the regulars here for all that you do.  After a day of having to be diplomatic with students who argue that they aren't made of atoms, they're made of dirt, it's refreshing to see that level of ingnorance dealt with by people who don't have to pull their punches.

Date: 2008/01/29 20:17:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 29 2008,18:48)
I think it's to society's benefit that Sal remains a creationist - it's apparently the only thing holding him back from becoming a gay, horse-schtupping, music-hating, serial rapist in a cheap tuxedo.


No, no.  That's not fair to Sal.... He has an expensive tuxedo, remember?

Date: 2008/02/04 17:08:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 04 2008,13:30)
*Nothing* is too low for this crowd.*

We burn churches, spread ebola, kill puppies, strangle kittens, persecute religious people, lack any morals at all, torture children (physically AND psychologically) AND we don't phone our mother's regularly at all.

Just FYI.

Louis

Don't forget, many of us are atheists on a daily basis.

Date: 2008/03/18 17:37:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
C. J. the explanation for why inanimate objects like the ground or the plate can "push" on you is that the bonds between the atoms stretch like the material of a trampoline when you push on them.  The force of those bonds trying to return to their rest position is what allows the ground to hold you up or the plate to resist the penny.

Date: 2008/03/29 14:13:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Louis, you're absolutely right about the appeal of how "alternative" treatments are administered vs. how effective they are.  My wife is a medical anthropologist and studied the reasons people use "alternative" remedies for her dissertation.  Many of the responses involved the practioner listening, caring about them, etc.  There were other reasons, including the belief that herbs, etc. were "safer" than traditional medicines.  This was often explained as being due to their lack of "chemicals". It was at this point that I would black out from the stupid.

Date: 2008/04/02 21:28:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ April 02 2008,20:52)
Not having ever met the man in person, I have to say I've always gotten the "True Believer" vibe from Behe, as opposed to the "Lying Scam Artist" vibe I get from Dembski et. al.

I guess that's a point in his favor, if you want to call it that.

I get the feeling with Behe that he would be perfectly happy as a theistic evolutionist if he hadn't gotten the idea somewhere along the way (his parents? his church?) that evolution says something ugly about his god.  I've had teaching colleagues like that, who just can't let go of their fear it will hurt their faith in some way to just accept the science as it is.  You sort of get teased that you could get through to them because you don't comprehend how tightly they have to cling to that last thread of creationism.

Date: 2008/04/20 13:57:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ April 20 2008,13:47)
Quote (Kristine @ April 20 2008,14:18)
   
Quote (godsilove @ April 20 2008,06:09)
Anybody know any lightbulb jokes?

     
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I seek to find out how many ID advocates it takes to screw in a lightbulb:

Ben Stein holds it in the socket, and the world revolves around him. :)

Seven. One to claim the socket can't be used for anything else, One to miscalculate how not to change it, One to forgive us for laughing at them, One to claim the old light bulb was installed six minutes ago, One to narrate From Flourescents to Fascism, One to ban any actual electricians from the premises, and One to ask "Why bother actually changing a lightbulb?"

Joke of the week. With references no less.

Date: 2008/04/22 21:00:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ April 22 2008,20:46)
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Behe Moth?


If Behe's a moth, Dembski had better protect that sweater...

Henry

If Behe's a moth, we should glue him to a tree and prove evolution.  :D

Date: 2008/04/24 17:06:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dogdidit @ April 24 2008,16:39)
The moderator war between Creobot DLH and Double Secret Agent DaveScot is the "self-licking ice cream cone".

Thanks ever so much for the image of DaveScot licking himself.  I think I shall now be sick.

Date: 2008/05/03 22:33:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 03 2008,21:48)
So not only did Darwinism kill those 6 million Jews, it now causes divorce.

Next thing you know, it'll lead to dancing.

Which, as we know from the documentary "Footloose", destroy family values.

See Kevin Bacon was also in "A Few Good Men" with Keifer Sutherland...who was in "Young Guns" with Charlie Sheen...who was in "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" with Ben Stein...who was in "Expelled" with Sternberg.  So Darwinism destroys family values. QED

Date: 2008/05/11 21:39:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 11 2008,20:53)
Fantastic!  Reminds me of a bit from the original Batman movie, with Adam West etc.  They receive a riddle from, of course, the Riddler, and quickly decipher it:

   
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BATMAN: What sits in a tree and is extremely dangerous?

ROBIN: A sparrow with a machine gun! The Intelligent Designer!

BATMAN: Correct, Robin!  The only possible answer!


Fixed it for you.

Date: 2008/05/15 17:46:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,10:42)
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All work and no play makes Rich a dull boy...

Date: 2008/05/20 21:30:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Deep east Texas.  Behind what a former colleague called "The Pine Curtain".

Date: 2008/05/22 18:22:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 22 2008,10:20)
Also, Denyse doesn't have groupies, like JAD and his VMartin. The very idea of someone wanting to follow DO'L around makes me dizzy.

I imagine there are pedants out there that get some S&M-like thrill from reading her, but that's not really the same thing is it?

Date: 2008/05/30 17:11:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 30 2008,16:14)
Do'L can't walk and or chew gum.

Fixed that for you

Date: 2008/06/03 23:26:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sparc @ June 03 2008,22:52)
365 days under review and counting. Peer review indeed is a pain in the ass.

Well, it does take a while to find a peer for Dembski.  How many double doctorates in giant sweater wearing/farty-noise animation can there be?

Date: 2008/06/03 23:41:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ June 03 2008,22:30)
One irony there is that in the hands of a competent teacher, "strengths and weaknesses" would neither add anything nor take anything away from the subject matter.

Henry

I would absolutely agree, except to add that teaching anything real about the strengths of evolution would be a huge step forward in this part of Texas.   From the schools I've been at and the stories my wife hears as a college prof, I know that most students around here get maybe 3-4 days of evolution, which is completely undermined by the teacher saying something along the lines of, "I don't believe it/you don't have to believe it/it's just a theory."  

If we could get a real "strengths and weaknesses" of evolution curriculum instead of this creationist Trajan horse it would be fantastic.  I already teach a unit on the "strengths and weaknesses" of the various atomic models.  But that's not what we'd get, is it?

Date: 2008/06/09 15:30:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ June 09 2008,15:27)
[quote]Charting out simliarities between organisms was done before Darwin as well.  Studying the similiarities between organisms is what leads to scientific advancement.  

You mean advancements like, oh I don't know, evolution through the process of natural selection?

Date: 2008/06/10 13:28:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ June 10 2008,13:11)
Aside from the Disclaimery Institute,  sweater fashion, O'Bleary blogging, Intelligence Expelling, Friday meltdowns, predictions of evolutions's demise any day now, marching morons, and the peanut gallery, what has ID theory done for us?

Didn't DaveTard discover the cure for cancer?

Oh, and they gave us the aqueduct.

Date: 2008/06/12 20:03:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ June 12 2008,19:06)
Not really, Arden.  You guys are the ones that maintain I hold to Walt's theory as unquestionable fact.  I've never said anything other than I find it quite interesting.  I think many things he brings up about evolution are worth considering, and his theories are compelling.  I don't know if you're familiar with his theory about the grand canyon, but it's another one that's an interesting read.

Notice how FTK always gives herself an out?  She doesn't support it, she finds it interesting or even compelling.  But when it gets ripped apart she can always say it was just an idea and she just doesn't know.  At least AfDave is man enough to say he BELIEVES in hydropants.  He may be a fool, but he's a fool who takes a position.

Date: 2008/06/13 20:09:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
What I don't get is how FTK can reconcile the fact that ~99% of scientists think common descent is science with her opinion that it isn't.  I understand that she thinks all of the Church Burnin' Ebola Boys are deluded, evil atheists (on a daily basis no less).  But how can she think she's got a better handle on whether something is science than nearly every scientist in the world?

Date: 2008/06/18 23:33:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (olegt @ June 18 2008,22:35)
You should get out more often, Dave.  Society hearts scientists.  According to a 2003 Harris Interactive Poll,  
 
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Americans see scientists, firemen, doctors, teachers and nurses as the professions and occupations which have the most prestige. At the other end of the spectrum, the occupations which are seen as having the least prestige are real estate agents, stockbrokers, actors, bankers and accountants.

Only three occupations are perceived to have "very great" prestige by more than half of all adults; these are scientists (57%), firemen (55%) and doctors (52%). They are followed by four professions which are perceived to have "very great" prestige by more than 40% but less than 50% - teachers (49%), nurses (47%), military officers (46%) and police officers (42%).
 2006 data are here.

I wonder how much prestige there is for megalomanical blog czars?

Date: 2008/06/21 17:37:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
That much stupidity concentrated in one place might just collapse into a tard singularity that would swallow the Earth.

Date: 2008/06/21 17:51:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ June 21 2008,17:42)
I'll be the guy shouting "U-S-A! U-S-A!" as th earth collapses in on itself.

Even now Arden is furiously making an LOLcat of that.

Date: 2008/06/24 15:01:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Don't forget hoohoos.

Date: 2008/06/24 22:51:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Dembski couldn't leave the house if he had a scintilla of self-awareness.  He'd just spend all day in the fetal position wondering how it all went wrong.

Date: 2008/06/25 01:08:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (BWE @ June 25 2008,01:00)
Following that link and clicking the next:    
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Public schools in the United States are atheistic[1][2][3][4] government institutions that employ 3 million workers, train 50 million students, and offer diplomas to the students who complete the 12th grade and meet the requirements of the school and state in which they reside. Spoken prayer and display of the Ten Commandments are expressly forbidden in public schools' classrooms during school hours, and teaching of morality is implicitly disfavored.[5][6] In the United Kingdom, however, the term "public school" means the exact opposite of its American usage, and refers to the most expensive and prestigious private schools, such as Eton College, Harrow, and a few others.

Among public school students in the United States, 30% fail to graduate and nearly 70% are unqualified to go onto college. "Only 70% of all students in public high schools graduate, and only 32% of all students leave high school qualified to attend four-year colleges."[7] "Nationally, about 160,000 students miss school daily because they fear being bullied," and in Hawaii students viciously fight each other and post videos of it on Youtube.com. One victim is now "being homeschooled at state expense."[7]

In response to the perception that schools have stopped teaching morality, many state education departments have or are in the process of developing "morality" that avoid good and evil, right and wrong, and instead present under the heading of "character" education.[8] The lack of appreciation for right and wrong can surprise outsiders, and even school principals. When one public school student was charged with felony computer crime for altering the grades of 20 students, the principal said, we "want to teach them what's right and wrong, and it's tough for some kids to catch on to the idea that changing grades is the wrong thing to do." [8]

That article looks like it was written by one of those not quite ready for college public school students who looked up a whole bunch of "facts" on the internet and pasted them together without any attempt at structure or coherence.

Date: 2008/06/25 11:06:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 25 2008,07:45)
Now that does bring up something else... these laws protect teachers both ways. A teacher who would like to bring religious antievolution materials into the classroom as an object lesson in dreck that claims to be science but isn't could also use such a law for doing so. The problem is that every moment spent exposing dreck is one taken away from trying to get students to understand the science that has passed muster. Responsible teachers are going to begrudge or abhor waste like that.

Unlike the Freshwaters of the world, I'd bet that any explicit mention that the religious propaganda wasn't science would lead to the first steps to that lawsuit by the next period, not 11+ years later.  Not that the teacher wouldn't win, but good science teachers tend to have less of a martyr complex.

Date: 2008/06/25 11:23:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Post of the Week!

Date: 2008/06/25 11:31:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote
"I saw an article in The New Yorker about that," Stein said, "and I thought, ‘Now this is odd - it seems perfectly innocuous that the students be taught alternatives to Darwinism, and the whole might of the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] and educational establishment came down on this poor little school board and beat them to a pulp. What nerve you bullies have to tell these people what they can and cannot teach.' I mean, it's a local school board, they're supposed to have the right to determine the curriculum.


I'm not quite clear on which bullies Ben doesn't want telling the little school board what they can teach.  Is it bullies like the parents of children in the school? Bullies like the science teachers?  Bullies like the DI?  I'm so confused.

Date: 2008/06/26 21:03:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,20:27)
Or ericmurphy or Lenny.

Last time I looked, Eric was playing the role of arch-nemesis to afdave.  I had to take a break, though, as the constant feedback loop of Dave's delusions was starting to melt my brain.

Date: 2008/06/28 20:44:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ June 28 2008,20:35)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ June 28 2008,16:08)
 
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Look, if God doesn’t exist, he doesn’t exist. But if he does exist, we’ll know about it.

This is ridiculous arrogance, considering that we didn't even know Pluto existed 100 years ago.

That's exactly the model the IDers are using.  Don't you remember how astronomers used to insist we teach the existence of Pluto to students for all those centuries, because eventually we'd find it?

Date: 2008/07/01 11:27:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
What's truly sad about that is there are anthropologists whose work focuses entirely on the study of cultural discovery and use of foods and spices.  There are multiple volumes written on the subject.

Hey, IDiots,  read a book!!!  :angry:

Date: 2008/07/01 14:19:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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This is an age when sophisticated academics do not flinch at requiring public school students to watch “sex education” demonstrations that involve bananas and condoms.


Teach the con(dom)troversy!

Date: 2008/07/01 21:09:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ July 01 2008,21:03)
Something I've wondered about:

If (in the USA) one can only use English, which English can one use?

English as it is spoken in: Brooklyn, Chicago, rural Georgia, UP Michigan, Down East...?

If we insist upon English, must we eliminate local accents?

If so, there are going to be a lot of very quiet graduations in Louisiana.

Date: 2008/07/02 21:57:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
ERV reports that Comer is suing TEA to get her job back.  I love this quote from the Dallas Morning News article she linked to:

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Critics – and at least one federal judge – contend that intelligent design is nothing more than creationism and has no business being taught in science classes.


my bold

Date: 2008/07/05 23:38:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 05 2008,21:12)
Oh geez, I hope nobody's dumb enough to use me for an example.

Lou, you're definately an example.  Of what I have no idea.  [/Dangerfield]

Date: 2008/07/07 12:51:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 07 2008,12:39)
 
Quote (stevestory @ July 07 2008,01:19)
Fewer and fewer people are listening to them, though. Dembski's "Overwhelming Evidence" blog gets about 200 visitors a day. We got that between 3 and 4 am EST this morning.

How much of that was Russian Viagra spammers, tho?

That just proves that even Russian Viagra spammers know that OE isn't worth their time.

Date: 2008/07/09 10:00:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Shorter FTK:  I know you are, Wesley, but what am I?

rinse and repeat...

Date: 2008/07/09 11:09:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ July 09 2008,10:13)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 09 2008,10:00)
Shorter FTK:  I know you are, Wesley, but what am I?

rinse and repeat...

Exactly...his hypocrisy is blatantly obvious as well as devastating to his arguments.

Wow.  I notice that FTK completely fails to show the embarrassment that I would expect from a 14 year old student when it's pointed out she's using such a juvenile argument.

Date: 2008/07/09 16:10:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
FTK:  As others have asked: How can Of Pandas and People have the exact same definitions for both Creationism and ID and not be proof that the two are the same?

Date: 2008/07/09 18:36:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
In his rigorous pursuit of peer-review literature that disproves an evolutionary explanation of homosexuality, Sal must have just overlooked this paper. Right?

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Our results help clarify the basic evolutionary dynamics of male homosexuality, establishing this as a clearly ascertained sexually antagonistic human trait.

Date: 2008/07/09 23:18:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 09 2008,21:38)
Wow, this must be a first - Sal Cordova has been hit with the bannination stick (if only temporarily):

     
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12

DaveScot
07/09/2008
9:16 pm

stcordova’s last comment was deleted for inappropriate graphic sexual content and he, for the time being, is no longer with us.

Even DaveTard knows not to bother with a permanent ban.  Sal's like one of those slasher-movie villains.  No matter what happens to him, he'll be back in the sequel.

Date: 2008/07/10 16:12:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 10 2008,15:44)
 
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Dear Mike T.:

Please tell your Uncommon Dissent pals that I am listed at www.scholar.google.com, but under J Kwok. Have at least one, possibly two, citations there.

John

Posted by: John Kwok | July 10, 2008 3:13 PM


You guys really know how to search for stuff.FAIL indeed. Twats.

Maybe Dr. Dr. D can give him some advice on looking up people's publication history.  You know, like he did with Dawkins.

Date: 2008/07/11 17:57:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Nerull @ July 11 2008,17:37)
 
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All the so-called “mavericks of the solar system” (asteroids, meteoroids, and comets) resulted from the explosive events at the beginning of the flood.


Speaking of selective reading, do you know what the word 'all' means, FTK?

Would you care to tell me how Walt is not saying that every asteroid, meteoroid, and comet in the solar system was created by the flood?

Perhaps all = not all in the same way that 6000 = 4.5 billion?

Date: 2008/07/11 20:18:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ July 11 2008,19:59)
If you say you read all of it, then I'll just have to take your word for it I guess.  But, simple 10th grade geometry wouldn't be a problem for Walt...try reading his credentials again.

You made want to consider having a second go at it.   But, if it's just Walt's supposed difficulties with geometry you're worried about, you might drop him a line before the 8th edition of his book goes to print.

10  Walt says something really stupid.

20  Walt can't possibly be that stupid.

30  Goto 10

This is the kind of loop Capt. Kirk would use to make some android/robot/giant computer explode.  Maybe everyone ought to stand back from FTK?

Date: 2008/07/13 23:15:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 13 2008,23:07)
 
Quote (QED @ July 13 2008,22:08)
The fallout at present is PZ's posting of two of the more  serious threats against him via emails, complete with headers. One of the respondents was foolish enough to post from his/her workplace. Although it looks to me like someone left their computer account open before leaving for vacation and was set up, that someone is in for one nasty Monday morning when they return.

I love that it came from 1800flowers.

Makes you wonder what the "Burn in Hell, Atheist Scum" Bouquet runs for.  (And whether next day shipping is extra.)

Date: 2008/07/14 17:31:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Pssst... FTK.  Look what's over on PT

Date: 2008/07/15 22:00:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Quidam @ July 15 2008,21:32)
Or as William Smith puts it she understands less than the most illiterate:
   
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The organized fossils .. and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816


pwnage from 200 years ago! Ouch.

Quote (Quidam @ July 15 2008,21:32)
First you'll need to be educated on what a tiktaalik or humanoid fossil look like so that you don't wave a Yanoconodon or Eodelphis around thinking that you've made a discovery.


Or somebody's dead goldfish or lost Barbie doll.

Date: 2008/07/16 13:49:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
It sounds like we need to sign Chuck up for the Internet Tough Guy Olympics.  Imagine getting him to compete against DaveTard (and his dogs).

Date: 2008/07/17 16:52:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I'd like to send out a thank you to all the non-cotton based lifeforms at UD.  There may be others on the intertubes who are crazier, or more prolific, or more shrill, but none beat y'all for best all-round, grade-A TARD.  

And to all the cotton-based lifeforms there:  Thank you for hours spent in unrecognized toil.  One day you will receive the glory you so richly deserve.

Date: 2008/07/17 19:56:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ July 17 2008,19:00)
Let us begin with Isaiah 57:20-21:


But the wicked are like the tossing sea,
which cannot rest,
whose waves cast up mire and mud.

"There is no peace," says my God, "for the wicked."

All science so far!!!  ;)

Date: 2008/07/17 20:48:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (steve_h @ July 17 2008,20:45)
The original thread has 29,999 comments. Aren't there supposed to be 30,000? Has Dembski's Meisterwerk all-caps guest appearance been disappeared or summat? Enquiring (read enebriated) minds want to know!

If 6000 is approximately equal to 4.5 billion, then.... oops, wrong thread.

Date: 2008/07/18 12:04:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Rational people:  Haha Luskin made a silly mistake.

FTK:  He's not a liar.  They were there. They just weren't part of the 16.

Rational people:  We didn't say he was a liar, we said he made a silly mistake.  And they weren't there at all.

FTK:  Of course they weren't there!  You're all afraid of the Truth!!!!1111!!one

Rational People: <Sigh>

Date: 2008/07/18 12:41:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
For his birthday, why don't we send the Dr Dr a copy of the full, original UD thread?  You know, something to show how much we care.

Date: 2008/07/19 14:47:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ July 19 2008,13:12)
This has been a good day for precedent, some tool has published a paper claiming that he has the most efficient synthesis of a particular molecule when in fact I do. By some considerable margin and 4 years. The letter to the journal starts "Dear Enablers of Lying Wankers...". Too harsh?

Not at all.  I recall that as an undergrad I read a series of papers by the different groups working to discover/name/get credit for the trans-fermium elements.  They used very thinly disguised versions of that sentiment.  It's still one of the most memorable things I learned that semester, so consider such a letter as a public service to the education of future chemists.  Do it "for the kids" if you will.

Date: 2008/07/20 01:49:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JAM @ July 19 2008,23:55)
Has anyone tried colorblindness as an example of profoundly unintelligent design in an educational setting?

I think Walt Brown explained it as having something to do with the Flood.  ;)

Date: 2008/07/21 22:06:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Thanks to Steve's post over on the FTK thread, I saw this link at the bottom of the page:  Revolutionary New Insoles Combine Five Forms of Psuedoscience.

Date: 2008/07/22 12:16:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ July 22 2008,11:10)
I went back and read what Davetard said and it's worse than I knew:
 
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The Altenberg 16 are just beginning to realize how vast is the scope of epigenetic information.


He doesn't just think he knows more about epigenetics than a biology grad student, he thinks he knows more about epigenetics than 16 of the world's best biologists. That's not just dense. That's Uncommonly Dense™.

Well, how many of them read hard science fiction and subscribe to have their wives subscribe to Scientific American?

Date: 2008/07/23 17:23:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dvunkannon @ July 23 2008,16:47)
paraphrasing (so sue me)

RG - A liar like you has to make a poor mother.
FtK - The Darwin Police want to take my kids away because I won't believe their relgion!

How long does it normally take before someone calls FtK on this blatant misdirection?

How long does it take before someone calls her on it?  Or how long till she acknowledges it?

Answers:  About this long.  Somewhere between 6,000 and 4.5 billion years.

Date: 2008/07/24 10:18:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ July 24 2008,08:16)
Ftk,

As has been pointed out to you so many times you'd think it would have accidentally sunk in at least twice, SMART AND CURIOUS PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS.

This is also an answer to FTK's and Dave's questions about why studying this stuff matters.

Date: 2008/07/24 21:57:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Post of the Week!

Date: 2008/07/24 22:03:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (silverspoon @ July 24 2008,21:17)
 
Quote (stevestory @ July 24 2008,20:30)
Did you watch Ben Stein appearing on Glenn Beck yesterday? Of course not, because if you did you wouldn't be reading this now. You would be dead of a stroke. At the risk of giving you a lethal overdose of tard, here's an excerpt:

   
Quote
STEIN: I want -- I'm glad you brought up this Denver thing. I don't like the idea of Senator Obama giving his acceptance speech in front of 75,000 wildly cheering people. That is not the way we do things in political parties in the United States of America. We have a contained number of people in an arena. Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done. And I think whoever is advising Senator Obama to do this is bringing up all kinds of very unfortunate images from the past.

BECK: Well, yeah, you know what? I've been -- I've been saying that we're headed towards a Mussolini-style presidency forever.

STEIN: Well, I think --

BECK: I mean it's crazy.

STEIN: It's a scary situation. I mean, I think he has to recognize some bounds on his own ego. I understand politicians are politicians because they have ego deficit problems and they try to cure them by having lots of worship and adulation and adoration. But 75,000 people screaming at an outdoor arena, that's just too much. It's just -- it's scarily authoritarian.

BECK: Ben --

STEIN: It's like Juan Peron --

BECK: It's not --

STEIN: -- and Evita.


source: http://mediamatters.org/items/200807240001

As we all know, the more people that hear you message, the more like Hitler you are. Football, 80,000 plus stadiums, Led Zeppelin? It’s all coming together for me now. I’m joining a mega church as soon as I can.

Wow, Ben really dodged a bullet with Expelled.  They must have had nearly that many people see by now right?

Date: 2008/08/02 00:34:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 31 2008,08:16)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 30 2008,18:11)
I'm not sure how my name could come up and various of the things I listed not be part of what any basic summary of my part in creation/evolution discussion should include. How does that work?

Selective blinders.

Sort of like polarized sunglasses.

Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses?

Date: 2008/08/10 12:22:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 10 2008,07:37)
Got my first taste of fire ants.  Stepped in a small nest of them yesterday.  I've got welts from the bottom half of my calves or so down.

Fuckers.

I haven't ever tried it so long after a bite so it may be too late this time, but a good remedy is to immediately put some bleach on the affected area.  It'll actually keep the little blisters from forming and stop the pain.

My yard is full of the little bastards.  I poison one batch they either move or are replaced.  Rinse and repeat.

Date: 2008/08/10 12:28:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 10 2008,11:02)
 
Quote
...way to generate masses for W and Z, the heavy cousins of the photon.


W and Z are also the sex chromosomes in birds. Is that part of the Standard Model, too?

Yes.  And when they don't find the Higgs that will prove evolution is wrong.  Waterloo!!!!!111!!!oneoneone

Date: 2008/08/10 12:37:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ Aug. 10 2008,11:27)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 10 2008,08:37)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Aug. 09 2008,19:26)
U.K. Sociologist Steve Fuller (University of Warwick), pictured below:

*ahem*  

Fuller is a Yank - he just resides in Britain.

Reminds me of an old saying "Possession is 9/10th's of the law" and right now the Brits posses him, and they are welcome to him.  :D

And no backsies.

Date: 2008/08/14 15:56:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote
* Aesthetics (260,630)


Is this part of their obsession with teh gays or can they not spell atheists?

Date: 2008/08/22 15:42:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (EyeNoU @ Aug. 22 2008,11:22)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 21 2008,19:33)
I just walked about a mile to the convenience store, for beer and cigarettes, in bare feet because what's the point of soaking my shoes? It's raining hard and the wind gusts are reaching 30+ mph. Only problem is you know how many fire ant mounds are in this state? I think there was one every 6 feet or so alongside the road. It required concentration.

When we were flooded down here in Texas after Alicia in '83, we would see large rafts of floating fire ants. I put on some boots and waded around with a bottle of Dawn dish soap. I would drop a drop of soap into the floating ants and they would sink below the surface, hopefully to a watery grave.

[YEC/] And since there was no Dawn dish soap at the time, this proves that the Ark could have held everything it needed to hold. Thus, evolution is false!!11!!!!1!!!!one!!one!!!![/YEC]

Date: 2008/08/23 14:30:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 23 2008,14:22)
And how, Mr. Genius Davetard, do you plan on verifying that, say, the guy commenting as "Carl Johnson" is actually named Carl Johnson? Let's hear how you're going to verify all these names.

Overdressed people will show up at the door to find out if you've heard the "Good News"?

Date: 2008/08/23 15:49:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 23 2008,15:20)
Is Davetard so dumb...?

Do you really need to ask that question after all these years?

Date: 2008/08/23 20:12:28, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 23 2008,20:00)
While this is not about FtK, it is definitely about an Unreasonable Kansan:

Quote
Krazy Kansas Kook wants to eliminate all biologists

Category: Kooks
Posted on: August 23, 2008 6:25 PM, by PZ Myers

When last we heard from Tom Willis, big-wig in the Creation Science Association for Mid-America, he was pondering whether evolutionists should be allowed to vote. Since Tom Willis is batshit insane, he decided that no, they should not, because they're wicked godless atheists with no moral sense (you theistic evolutionists aren't spared — you're even worse).


http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....eli.php

Go read the whole thing. His solution is basically Mein Kampf with "jews" crossed out and replaced with "evolutionists".

What did he replace all the references to Darwin with?  ;)

Date: 2008/08/25 17:22:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 25 2008,11:48)
She won't give up. Salvation (and the demise of Darwinism) is always just around the corner...

When I first read that, I read Salvador instead of salvation.  <shudders at the thought of Sal just around the corner>

Date: 2008/08/28 17:04:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 28 2008,00:24)
Let me go into this topic a little bit more because it always flummoxes anti-evolutionists and most evolutionists aren't too clear on some of the points.

[snip total brilliance]

If this doesn't get POTW, there is no justice in the universe.

Date: 2008/09/03 18:08:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 03 2008,17:39)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 03 2008,14:20)
PaV fails to acknowledge the role of [changing] environments in evolution:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....picycle

TARD.

Error 404 - Not Found

Hope that doesn't happen again. Could there be a bug in UD's code or something?

If there is, I'd bet it smells of cheezy-poofs.

Date: 2008/09/05 22:52:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 05 2008,20:51)
 
Quote (KCdgw @ Sep. 03 2008,16:07)
 
Quote
Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.


So..what's the function of the human chin again?

to indicate extreme awesomeness?


And that chainsaw-hand?  Obviously designed.  There's no way random mutations could generate the information for that!

Date: 2008/09/07 14:11:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I, too, am sad to see Rich go.  It was his thread addressed to the lurkers that convinced me to stop lurking and say hello.  Rich was usually the quickest to welcome newcomers and in many way was the unofficial AtBC ambassador, and it just won't be the same here without him.

Date: 2008/09/07 21:04:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 07 2008,20:47)
So if someone wants to talk IDC and legal issues, they can talk to Casey and they can talk to me. I'm one up on Casey about what happens in reality. when IDC meets jurisprudence, though.

Fixed that for you.  And I think we all know it's a lot more than one.

Date: 2008/09/10 22:06:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (rhmc @ Sep. 10 2008,19:08)
if memory serves me correctly, there were scientists involved in the manhatten project that were of the opinion that the first nuclear weapon would set the atmosphere on fire.

that's why we're all dead now and don't have to worry about the LHC.

I seem to recall a version where it was Fermi who was using these sort of predictions to torment everyone else.

Of course, this is the same guy who, when asked to rate his intellect from 1-100, said "Einstein is 100, but I am 99."

edited because the m and the comma are annoyingly close together

Date: 2008/09/10 22:10:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 10 2008,22:02)
Quote
How does junk like this get published at UD without correction of obvious flaws?
I guess while writing this DS was smoking something.

And violating SLoT.

Date: 2008/09/12 14:35:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 12 2008,13:24)
IANAP. I need a physicist (or a better memory).

Louis

Can someone tell me if this is Louis trying to take RTH's place in hitting on Heddle?  If so we need to talk about an intervention.

Date: 2008/09/19 17:30:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 19 2008,17:07)
What distinguishes a primitive molecule from one that's not primitive?

One was created that way, and the other is the result of The Fall?

Date: 2008/09/19 21:35:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 19 2008,21:16)
And here I thought a mole was a small burrowing mammal... :)

Henry

I had a professor for freshmen chem that had actually gotten someone to make him a pair of plush moles to use in class.  They had Velcro in the middle that held the front and back ends together.  After using them for quite some while to make points about moles and half moles, he dropped the back ends of both into a beaker and asked the class what he was holding.

The answer:  500 mL of mole-asses.

Date: 2008/09/20 14:08:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 20 2008,13:18)
Here is where the lecture ended. Although I asked in a later lecture about the odd bondings here that seem to break the rules that we earlier set forth, Doc basically said, "It's complicated, and you don't need to know that for this class, though you'll learn about it in a Chemistry class if you take one." Ok, fair enough.

This is close to what I tell the introductory students in my physical science class.  For the more clever ones, I also point out that Lewis' dot diagrams are a lovely model, especially for electron bookkeeping, but the real world doesn't care whether our little models work out neatly.  (The patch on his model is to have the one extra bond spread around each of the positions, which lowers the energy.)

Date: 2008/09/20 14:16:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 20 2008,14:01)
William Wallace asks,

 
Quote


William Wallace

09/20/2008

1:48 pm

What happened to the comments? Server malfunction?


He's got to be kidding - right?  What we have here is Dave malfunctioning - well, actually he is functioning more or less as normal, which appears to the rest of us as malfunctioning.

If it were almost anyone else I'd suspect sock puppetry.  But WW probably means that completely innocently.  Dave has somehow created a world where the "real" posters at UD and the puppets say exactly the same things.  Convergent evolution, perhaps?

Date: 2008/09/20 22:01:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Same one got me, too. Second one in three years. And after six days missed at school, we might as well be starting over from scratch.

Date: 2008/09/21 08:09:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 21 2008,06:23)
XVIVO better look out. There's a new animator in town.

Better tell ERV to keep an eye on it for you, or it might appear in one of the Dr Dr's talks.  Something about how materialist biochemistry leads to corruption of our youth.

Date: 2008/09/21 17:45:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 21 2008,17:07)
 
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 21 2008,11:26)
can't we come together and just agree that FTK is a comedy hysteric who to all practical intents and purposes is incapable of learning for some mythical reason?*

I think most of us understood this months or years ago.

This is all true, but part of me admires the Charlie Browns of this board who continue to make the effort to educate FTK/kick that football.  We all know she's going to pull it away again, but maybe next time she won't.*

*She will.

Date: 2008/09/24 18:38:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 24 2008,14:01)
Midwife, it seems the only route to go, if one wants to understand the sentences.

Thanks for the enumeration, Henry. But what makes an s orbital different from a p orbital? Why is it different?

Is this what you were touching on, Steve? Shape? If so, why is the shape of one orbital different from the shape of another in the same orbital (or even in different orbitals, for that matter)? Why does the second shell have one s and three p orbitals? Why not two and two or all of one or the other, for instance?

And what makes a d or f orbital different from s or p orbitals?

Does the p stand for pi and the s for sigma, as in Louis' previous explanation, or is that a whole 'nuther thing?

I think I'd have to get all that before I could even begin to understand resonance and continue with his explanation.

Lou, it's all based on energy.  Lower energy is more stable.  The shapes can be derived from looking at the energy values of electrons in each orbital and the fact that electrons have wave-like properties and are subject to things like interference.

(My brain hurts from trying to reach back to everything I used to know but haven't thought about in years since I don't get to teach it in HS.  Thanks, Louis, for the refresher.)

edited to have only one conjugation of a verb in any given sentence.

Date: 2008/09/24 21:21:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 24 2008,19:49)

   
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 24 2008,19:38)
The shapes can be derived from looking at the energy values of electrons in each orbital


In what way? How does the energy value affect the shape? When you say energy value, are you referring to the potential energy derived from distance from the nucleus, or something else?


Potential energy, yes.  I had a mathematician explain this to me once.  It was a beautiful, clear explanation. I experienced an epiphany that day....I can't for the life of me recall the details.  :)  Anyway, the shape is partly determined by potential energy due to the electrostatic charge between the electron and the nucleus, the charges of the electrons wrt each other, and the fact that the electrons' energies are only stable for certain values.

 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 24 2008,19:49)
    
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 24 2008,19:38)
and the fact that electrons have wave-like properties and are subject to things like interference.


Which properties are relevant here? How does it work?


Ok, now you caught me forgetting physical chemistry I learned before I fled grad school for the friendlier environs of teaching in public school.  (Really!;)  I fear I'd only confuse you and embarrass me.  Perhaps Louis, Tracy, or Henry (or someone else) can help?

Date: 2008/09/26 17:06:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 26 2008,10:48)
Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 25 2008,20:46)
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/09/turning_off_fir.html

Everybody who had anything to do with that decision should be publicly slapped.

So, to keep the fire hydrants safe, we need to make the fire hydrants unusable .  Makes perfect sense to me.

Now just substitute "freedom" for "fire hydrants" and you understand how the administration thinks.

Date: 2008/09/26 18:48:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 26 2008,18:30)
 
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 26 2008,19:13)
Will I be allowed to use words like "hypervalent" and "oxidation state"?

Only if you define them first.

As Louis is currently in the process of making himself hypervalent, it may be necessary for someone to check his oxidation state before he is allowed to drive.

Date: 2008/09/27 16:36:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Marion Delgado @ Sep. 27 2008,15:44)
Re the poor termite sacrificed on the altar of Dawkins/Darwin:

I notice this so-called "Lou - an obviously made up ideal composite "student" "of" "biology" - grasps at straw after straw in order to avoid even raising the hypothesis that one of God's creatures is following God's purpose.

Even after secular hypotheses crumble, each one more desperate than the one before, he clings to the faith that there has to be some sort of materialist mechanistic explanation. Despite the lack of positive evidence for it, he even invokes the idea that ballpoint pen ink, which anyone who had a mother would know is very poisonous, is some sort of food the termite follows around.

Experiment if you dare:

put a pile of termite food on one part of the paper (wood shavings?) and a pool of ballpoint pen ink on another. Which does the termite follow?

Conclusion: the "following a chemical" hypothesis is for dimbulbs who think Godlessness is a substitute for rational thought.

Here's an idea: What if red/black ink circling behavior in termites is irreducibly complex? then any attempt to break it down to components will destroy the information, won't it?

Poe's(t) of the week.

Date: 2008/10/02 18:04:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 02 2008,17:55)
partially crossposted:
 
Quote

Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2008,18:51  
ooo, on Intrade McCain has slipped below 1/3rd.

http://www.intrade.com/?reques....ge=true

the electoral votes are right now polling

Obama 353
McCain 185

got-dang.


given the numbers above, how long before Davetard starts calling the american people unamerican, or dupes, or what have you?

Well, if anyone can be considered an expert on dupes, it's Dave.

Date: 2008/10/05 16:56:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Nerull @ Oct. 05 2008,15:13)
I'll leave the reasons why a secessionist party was buying plastic explosives up to you.

Dealing with herons that attacked their ducks' nest?

Date: 2008/10/05 19:13:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Nerull @ Oct. 05 2008,19:05)
It must be nice to live in a simple, ignorant world, where "What newspapers do you read?" is not a softball question.

I'd imagine its filled with fuzzy bunnies and teletubbuies.

Not that purple one though.  He's teh gay.  And an atheist on a daily basis.  And is friends with terrorists.

Date: 2008/10/11 12:49:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Oct. 11 2008,11:49)
 
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Oct. 11 2008,10:17)
   
Quote
Religulous was nice.  I give it a solid B.


AiG Doesn't like it:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/10/02/a-religulous-movie

Ken Ham must have given a really tardiliciously stinky performance if AiG's blog highlights this as wit and wisdom of Ham:
   
Quote

As Maher interviews Ken in his office later, Ken is able to answer Maher’s questions well and rationally—even on the nature of God. Ken turns the tables on Maher by asking him a question he can’t answer: “Bill, are you God?” Maher is left with no answer other than “no” and then silence.


Maher sure got served.

What did we learn from Ghostbusters?  When someone asks you if you're a god, you say "Yes!".

Date: 2008/10/11 18:47:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 11 2008,18:26)
with only 3 weeks and 3 days til the election, i wonder what the last haily mary will be.

Connecting Obama to Willie Horton within six steps?  Possibly via Kevin Bacon?

Or...Palin rips off the mask, Scooby Doo style, and is revealed to be Hillary in disguise.  Voters so admire the chutzpa of her actions they sweep her and McCain into office in a landslide.

Maybe not...

Date: 2008/10/13 18:03:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Nerull @ Oct. 13 2008,09:53)
We know that DaveScot can be incredibly stupid when he wants to be, but if I was one of the ID supporters at UD, I'd be starting to question weather DaveScot was a troll that was just trying to make them look bad.

Turning the leading ID website into Stormfront is certainly not going to help their chances of ever being accepted as "mainstream". Though I suppose it'll help them recruit KKK members and neo-nazis.

One small problem with that.  All the neo-Nazis are Darwinists.  It's true, I think they even made a movie about it.

Date: 2008/10/14 16:39:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Wesley, do you know if there's a good break-down somewhere of who's running for each district and where they stand on this?

ETA: 100!

Date: 2008/10/14 16:58:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 14 2008,07:43)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,00:36)
Look at Denyse's version of Poe's Law:

 
Quote
Poe’s law: Students cannot form logical position about television’s impact?
O'Leary
...
Note: Poe’s law states that some people or situations just cannot be parodied because you couldn’t make up stuff that is further along the continuum.


"some people or situations"? That's deliberately vague.

Wikipedia:
 
Quote
Poe's Law — Without a blatant indicator such as a smiley, it is impossible to tell the difference between religious Fundamentalism and a parody thereof.




Linky

Denyse is to writing what Palin is to speaking.

Only without the ILF part....

We could give her back just the M and the F.  At least that's what I say after a few minutes of trying to read her.

Date: 2008/10/17 17:51:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 17 2008,00:43)
Is there a UD version of Poe's law?  Something like "Without a blatant indicator such as a smiley, it is impossible to tell the difference between a UD poster and a parody thereof."?

Fixed that for you.

Date: 2008/10/18 21:34:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Oct. 18 2008,19:58)
Why would molecules that accidentally band together stay banded together?  "It's because it's an advantage".  The problem is that experimental chemistry says the opposite.  The bonds between molecules that somehow manage to accidentally band together will eventually weaken and these molecules will go back to their normal state.

Add freshmen chemistry to the list of subjects Daniel thinks he knows more about than he actually does.

Date: 2008/10/20 17:18:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 20 2008,16:37)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 20 2008,16:29)
Quote (American Saddlebred @ Oct. 20 2008,15:24)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 20 2008,16:13)
That's a very good point.  After all, UD encompasses a diverse range of lifestyles.  Fundamentalist Christian conservatives, conservative Christian fundamentalists,  Christian fundamentalist conservatives, fundamentalist conservative Christians...  UD's got 'em all.

PoTW!!!

But he missed two of the six permutations. ;)

Not to mention the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front.

Splitters!

Date: 2008/10/22 17:01:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
It's the folks behind Expelled.  How about we attribute it to malice and incompetence?

Date: 2008/10/22 17:29:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 22 2008,12:18)
Creepy?

Those videos were downright fucking horrendous. Seriously, does anyone advocate this kind of mindless brainwashing

<snip>

Yes, yes they do.  We recite both that and the US pledge every morning to start the day. (Followed by our "moment of silence", I'll let you guess the purpose of that.) I try to look busy taking attendance or sorting papers.

Date: 2008/10/23 18:21:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 23 2008,17:58)
 
Quote (Jkrebs @ Oct. 23 2008,15:01)
No more politics at UD.  Let's see if this works:

   
Quote
Focusing on ID at UD
William Dembski

The presidential election has loomed large here at UD over the past several weeks. After discussion with key UD administrators, we’ve agreed to set the election aside and put the focus here back on ID (and on topics directly pertinent to ID). Short of the presidential candidates raising ID, the election will no longer be a topic of discussion on this forum.

"Key UD administrators" makes it sound so professional, doesn't it?  The key administrators called to the emergency meeting on the top floor of UD Tower would be who, exactly?  Dr Dr D, Denyse, and Poe the cat?

I think it should be read as "I took Dave out to the woodshed and "we" decided who was actually in charge around here."

Date: 2008/10/28 17:11:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Oct. 28 2008,12:12)
They all made predictions of rapid explosions of phyla in books published well before they died.

If they'd made predictions in books after they'd died, that would be impressive.  ooooooooo

Date: 2008/10/29 18:07:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Oct. 29 2008,17:38)
Quote (drew91 @ Oct. 29 2008,09:57)
Happy 34th.  I'll be there myself in a little over a month.

We're only as old as we feel...or something like that. :)

You're only as old as the one you feel.

So how old is Arden's mom, anyway?


Thanks everyone, it was a very good day.

Date: 2008/10/30 20:17:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 30 2008,13:58)
Somebody with unreasonable doubt insists upon video-tape-level evidence for something that happened over a billion years ago before they'll credit science with having any answers about "life's systems", and the reaction of anyone with a clue is either to move on to something productive or to poke them with a rhetorical stick. The fact that some people chose the stick doesn't validate the argument.

And thank goodness for that.  Since it would be awfully dull around here if we had to quit using the stick for fear of validating creationists' arguments.

By the way, has anyone figured out how to reconcile Daniel's "we'll never understand any of this, therefore waterloo!" argument with his "one day we'll discover God's laws (or perhaps this has already happened), and then waterloo!" prediction?

Date: 2008/11/01 16:15:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (bystander @ Nov. 01 2008,15:54)
So if you volunteered, you would get access to the code and could make yourself a super secret administrator and do all kinds of mischief.

Lucky we are all above that kind of thing.

heh heh heh

Step one: make all Dave's posts appear in comic sans...

Date: 2008/11/02 13:10:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 02 2008,13:04)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 02 2008,12:22)
There are tremendous gaps between the kinds of simple systems being discussed in abiogenesis research and the present systems: gaps that cannot be bridged by natural selection.  

Presumably you have some sort of basis for making that claim?

Can you provide a reference to a paper perhaps? One published in the peer reviewed literature showing this?

On what basis are you making this claim?

I believe that was in last month's issue of Journal of Personal Incredulity.

Date: 2008/11/04 17:30:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I voted. It was a little surreal. I've never voted on an actual piece of paper before. It took maybe 4 minutes, and a lot of that was my being paranoid that I was missing something. There were three other voters in the room and four helpers (who all looked like they might regard McCain as a young whipper-snapper).

The somewhat disturbing part is that in this little town they don't scan them in front of you. I put mine in a box and it will be scanned later. So I have to just trust the system to actually work. Part of me would rather have a potentially corrupt machine than have to rely on Aunt Bea to take mine out and scan it.

Date: 2008/11/04 18:11:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 04 2008,17:36)
Mr. Heddle: Something to get you through the day --

<snip pictures>

Your Friend, deadman_932

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Date: 2008/11/04 18:27:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 04 2008,06:47)
EDIT: And "eliminated" a staff member? That's some turn of phrase they got going there.

"All but eliminated."  So they walked out with a severe limp.

Date: 2008/11/05 20:30:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Nov. 05 2008,17:07)
 
Quote (Nerull @ Nov. 05 2008,16:52)
Graph showing the shift in voting since 2004:


Dang!  Kansas looks bad enough, but I guess I'm not moving to Arkansas anytime soon!

What's up with that? The '04 election didn't have any Arkansas governors in the race...

Having grown up in Little Rock and voted for Clinton a handful of days after my 18th birthday (I still remember sneaking out of school with some friends to go see him announce he was running), I can make some guesses:

Some racism, but mostly as a reinforcer of biases against Democrats.  Lots of fundamentalists who believe that Obama means gay marriages and abortions.  And the appeal of Palin as a kindred spirit.  Politically, Arkansas had been electing more social conservatives since just after Bill left. Thus, Huckabee (who actually painted himself more moderately when he got bigger hopes).

Note the little blip in the center?  That's Little Rock. The lighter northwest corner is interesting because it shows that the balance of the UofA against the heavy Klan areas in the hills.  The light spot next to Tennessee is West Memphis, the delta, and the heavy African-American population there.

Date: 2008/11/06 18:15:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 06 2008,17:44)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 05 2008,23:56)
I could give you about thirty cites right now.  

How about just one?

Or even better, why don't you give me your best guess as to how the system evolved?  Just a quick sketch will do (but preferably something that goes beyond the 'one sentence scenarios' offered here so far).  It obviously can't be too complicated - it happened by accident after all!

This strategy gets used by creationists so often, it really ought to have a name.  They don't want to deal with the huge mountain of evidence, they want to nit-pick around the edges, or even better have a non-expert try to summarize all of human knowledge so they can play semantic games with the result.

Daniel, Deadman was trying to tell you to go do your homework before bothering the grownups with elementary questions.

Date: 2008/11/06 20:29:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 06 2008,20:08)
DaveTard Watch Day 6.

No sign of Davetard in 6 days.

Perhaps the election results convinced him the apocalypse is nigh?  Perhaps he himself was silently banninated?  Perhaps he checked into a cheezy poof rehab facility?  Should we start a pool?

Date: 2008/11/07 22:18:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ Nov. 07 2008,21:28)
ETA: I don't want to single out Alaskan idiots, my home state of Missouri once elected a dead man to Congress, srsly.

I was living there at the time.  To be fair he was a very popular dead man and the guy opposing him was an ass-hat.  W appointed him to a fairly memorable post shortly thereafter.  The ass-hat, I mean, not the dead guy.  He then spent a lot of time protecting us from the Bill of Rights and nude statuary.

Date: 2008/11/08 16:13:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 08 2008,00:30)
Quote
He then spent a lot of time protecting us from the Bill of Rights and nude statuary.

Nude statuary? Was that a big threat at some point? :D

Henry

It was.  Thankfully, Ashcroft was there to protect freedom, (lady) justice, and the American way.

Date: 2008/11/09 18:49:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 09 2008,15:35)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 09 2008,21:34)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 09 2008,15:17)
It's actually from a lack of empirical facts in support of natural pathways and from my own belief in God Invisible Golden Unicorn (which offers an alternative explanation) that I derive this conclusion.  

Fixed that for ya. Igu did it.

SHE IS PINK!!!!!!!!!! (MHHNBS)

Louis

I predict that science will never be able to discover any details as to the color of the unicorn.  Therefore, God.  [/Daniel Smith]

Date: 2008/11/12 17:31:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday, Louis.  Forgot your birthday?  No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD.

Date: 2008/11/12 20:53:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 12 2008,19:08)
But, it doesn't really matter how he did it - since my view does not depend on mechanism like yours does.  

Wait...Haven't we heard this somewhere before?  I know it's pathetic of me, but I'll level with you: I just cant recall the details...

Date: 2008/11/13 17:23:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 13 2008,02:32)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Nov. 13 2008,02:53)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 12 2008,19:08)
But, it doesn't really matter how he did it - since my view does not depend on mechanism like yours does.  

Wait...Haven't we heard this somewhere before?  I know it's pathetic of me, but I'll level with you: I just cant recall the details...

Texas Teach wins Teh Internetz.

Please collect your prize from the front desk. It is an autographed copy of Behe's book (does it really matter which one?), second prize is all of his books.

Louis

P.S. Yeah so the jokes are old, big deal! You want new material you bring me new creationists, dammit!

<Tears up>  You like me.  You really like me.  I just want to thank all the little people who supported me....No don't play the music, I'm not finished...

Date: 2008/11/14 16:50:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 14 2008,03:14)
I find your evasion and willingness to use trickery and excuse yourself of that very illuminating, Daniel.

Am I the only one that read this line (and then the rest of Deadman's post) hearing James Earl Jones:  "I find your lack of faith, disturbing..."

Date: 2008/11/16 10:37:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 16 2008,09:45)
Yep - looser loser moderation policy.  Looks like the same ol', same ol' to me.

Fixed that for you

Date: 2008/11/17 18:34:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JLT @ Nov. 17 2008,12:48)
 
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 17 2008,18:26)
I am impressed by D'tard falling on his own (cheesy poof encrusted) sword.

What wonders may emerge? I'm voting for his own blog. Please let it be his own blog.

Louis


Great minds think alike?

   
Quote


16

FtK

11/17/2008

12:19 pm

[sobs uncontrollably]

Noooooooooo! Not Dave….

I always rather enjoyed his global warming and political posts. I also got a kick out of his dissent from Descent so to speak…made for interesting dialogue.

Maybe he’ll start his own blog?

Hopefully??

Ftk, please, please, I beg you...give Dave posting privileges at your blog.  Just think about all the entertainment your dear friends here would get from that.  I'll never ask you for anything else, ever, I promise...

Date: 2008/11/17 21:52:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (bystander @ Nov. 17 2008,21:46)
Quote (Bueller_007 @ Nov. 18 2008,12:40)
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 16 2008,08:30)

 
Quote
Added in Edit: and there is now a bunch of Google ads above the recent comments.  Looks like "serving the ID Community" means "make more money."


Yes, and they can't even spell basic words like that properly:
"Advertisments Visit to Support Us"

Very professional.

Perhaps they were trying to emulate British pronunciation.

I can see them losing their AdSense privileges. You are not supposed to encourage people to click adds. It is a part of the T&Cs. I suppose it is like scientific papers and they just read the first paragraph

Quote
In order to ensure a good experience for users and advertisers, publishers may not request that users click the ads on their sites or rely on deceptive implementation methods to obtain clicks. Publishers participating in the AdSense programme:

   * May not encourage users to click the Google ads by using phrases such as "click the ads," "support us," "visit these links," or other similar language


Adsense Program Guidelines

How about "buy my book"?  'Cause I think that one's a deal-breaker.

Date: 2008/11/23 21:43:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 23 2008,21:01)
Not trying to short circuit a provocative discussion, but the observed fact of extinction -- millions of times over -- pretty much rules out the notion that genomes contain everything necessary for adaptation to future needs.

What we have here is preformationism wrapped in modern jargon.

Maybe Daniel's god didn't want those species around anymore because they were naughty?

Date: 2008/11/24 21:11:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (bystander @ Nov. 24 2008,20:35)
Looking at the display adds.  It would be fun to do an adwords campaign (You can target particular content sites now) with adds such as

Creation or Evolution?
Find out why O'Leary can't
write english good like
www.antievolution.org

Pity that most of you are starving academics and I decided to be self employed during the worst market downturn in 70 years as it wouldn't cost much (I doubt that it would be more than $1 per click, given the competition).

I can just see trying to get the money from a funding agency:  

Them:  So what do you need the money for again?

Me: To torment a bunch of stealth creationists in their lair.

Them:  <handing over piles of cash> Would you like a bag for that?

Date: 2008/11/25 17:10:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 25 2008,16:26)
I'm suddenly apprehensive about it, Henry. I haven't worked since the accident six years ago. I hope my body holds up.

On the upside, whenever I fill out any kind of form for anything, it always asks about my employment status. There's never a spot that says, "useless cripple", so I always have to answer "unemployed", though sometimes, just for fun, I put "retired". :)

It's always a crappy feeling to put "unemployed". Makes me feel rather ... uh... crappy...

Of course, now nobody will ever ask again...

bastards.

I had similar work as an undergrad chem major helping with lab classes.  I spent a couple of weeks navigating the tiny spaces in the lab between students on crutches after injuring my ankle.   Not because I needed the money, but because I loved the work.  They couldn't keep me away.  It made me a much better TA when I got to grad school, and that lead me to my career teaching.  You'll do fine.  Be kind, be patient, be knowledgeable, and be willing to say "I don't know, but I'll find out".

Date: 2008/12/03 17:28:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 03 2008,14:29)
Win Ben Stein's mind

Second Prize: Ben Stein's body

Date: 2008/12/05 16:58:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 05 2008,09:02)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 05 2008,08:56)
Aw, you guys aren't being honest with yourselves. Poking Ftk was a guilty pleasure. The tizzy here was everyone's, not just hers.

I've highlighted the critical verb for ya, Bill. Banging my head against the wall, whether it was FtK or Daniel, was fun for a while. But then it just started to hurt...

But won't you think of the kids????!!!????

Date: 2008/12/05 17:17:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 05 2008,17:02)
Remember this?
Quote
X-Sender: [Dembski’s email at discovery.org] (Unverified) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:11:27 -0600 To: Richard Dawkins [email] From: “William A. Dembski” [email] Subject: President Bush Cc: “Eugenie C. Scott” [email], [Daniel Dennett email], [Paul Gross email], [Barbara Forrest email]

Dear Prof. Dawkins,

I enjoyed this bit of fun in last week’s Guardian. It might interest you to know that Senator Rick Santorum, who is close to President Bush, endorsed my forthcoming book The Design Revolution. It might also interest you to know that President Bush lives in the same Texas county that I do (McLennan County – his home is about 35 miles from my home). It might futher interest you to know that my university, Baylor, today made a bid on the George W. Bush Presidential Library (for the news conference, go to www.baylortv.com).

Why might all this interest you? With the recommendations by Senator Santorum and others close to President Bush, I plan to pay him a visit at his home early next year and have a frank discussion with him about the future of science in the United States and the possibilities for public funding of intelligent design research. I expect your remarks below will help me make my case.

Thanks for all you continue to do to advance the work of intelligent design. You are an instrument in the hands of Providence however much you rail against it.

With all good wishes, Bill Dembski

That didn't work out so well.  You think Dembski's brushing off his famous sweater for a visit with President Obama?   :p

I'd bet that Dembski has as much chance of getting in to see Obama as he does of getting into the Baylor cafeteria.

Date: 2008/12/05 23:20:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 05 2008,22:50)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 05 2008,08:49)
         
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 05 2008,08:27)
Maybe I can help you all understand my perspective better with a theoretical question.

If God really did create life, and science cannot consider any supernatural mechanisms, what would the state of biological science be?

I'd argue that it would be exactly in the state we find it in today - with no plausible explanations for the origins of any living system.

It's like you are charged with coming up with a theory that explains the manufacturing of automobiles - but you're not allowed to consider human intervention.

Your theory would offer inexplicable conclusions based on real observations:  "Here's a little red wagon - it has four wheels and a steering mechanism", "Here's a lawnmower - it also has four wheels but it has an engine", "These are obvious precursors to automobiles, therefore automobiles assemble themselves", etc.

Instead of more babbling, can you tell us what it means for an enzyme to be 'rational'?

It means they make sense.  They function as if designed rationally.  They behave as if they were put there by someone who knew what they were doing.  Do you need more?

When an enzyme attaches itself to a substrate in six places, and five of the six are a perfect fit while the sixth is not, it may seem as if that sixth active site is a mistake.  But when that "imperfect" site just happens to twist the substrate in such a manner that it allows the molecules on the sides of the enzyme to perform the exact interactions required to weaken the substrate so that the "imperfect" twist now causes it to break at that precise point - with the resulting product being exactly what is needed for the next step in a biochemical pathway - that's no mistake.  The enzyme is acting as if it was designed by a rational being.  The design is rational.

How, pray tell, would natural selection build such a thing?  

Fools!

Believing in accidental, arbitrary mechanisms is like working on a car but, instead of choosing the correct tools from your toolbox, you let a small child hand you the tools randomly until he just happens to hand you the right one.  You then use that tool and wait.  You continue the process until the job is done (if ever).  Such a process may seem feasible, but what happens when the tool you need is a 3/8" drive ratchet, with a 6" extension, and a 12mm socket?  How long will you be there waiting for him to hand you that combination?

Of course, you could just do what God did and choose the correct tool out of the toolbox yourself.  Of course that'd be too simple for you - wouldn't it?

Have you ever looked at a benzene molecule and thought, "All those hydrogens are a mistake"?  But those imperfect hydrogens just happen, by chance!, to balance out the number of electrons to make the molecule do just what it needs to do to be stable.  That's by design!  God wanted there to be benzene so we could synthesize stuff and for organic chemists to be able to wash their hands in it and get cancer cause they're all atheists.  Many on a daily basis.

Date: 2008/12/06 00:38:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Nerull @ Dec. 05 2008,23:26)
Which reminds me, these links are great:

http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/things_i_wont_work_with/

http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/how_not_to_do_it/

Small world.  I went to the public university on the other side of the small college town from where he went to school (though several years later).

Date: 2008/12/06 00:40:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 05 2008,23:56)
Quote
And what if all the original squirrels could glide


Didn't it occur to them that there may be no such thing as an original member of an order or family?

Wait, what am I saying?

Henry

What do you think stepped off the Ark?  Duh.

Date: 2008/12/09 17:02:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Chayanov @ Dec. 09 2008,14:03)
 
Quote (Quack @ Dec. 09 2008,11:52)
 
Quote
Asked whether the Bible was literally true, Bush replied: "Probably not. No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it."

"The important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" he said.

According to my sources, we are all of us the sons of God.

Even the women?   :)

Can't we just lay off Arden's mom for a while?

Date: 2008/12/10 17:23:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 10 2008,03:15)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Dec. 10 2008,00:28)
So, we know that all creationists a lying assholes. We know that they are hypocrites. We have all partisipated in exposing the utter vacuity and falsehoods of all their argumants and positions. What I cannot understand is how do I stop?

I started out with just a few hits- not even a candy habbit, but then- wham- full bore tard junky. I even get up in the middle of the night and Google-news "creationism" and "science education," for early edition editorials.  I am a sick man. Maybe I need heroin. I have heard that heroin can be distracting for a little while. Enought time to wean off the straight creatotard for a few months. Cocaine- that might not work, because I heard you cannot sleep as well.

Maybe you and Steve Story should start a twelve-step program.

As for me, I don't have a problem.  I could quit anytime if I wanted to.

Is it better or worse that some of us just like to watch you guys get a fix?

Date: 2008/12/11 22:40:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (EyeNoU @ Dec. 11 2008,16:39)
It snowed last night down here on the Texas Gulf Coast, I think on second earliest date since records started being kept. Why hasn't DaveScot posted  on this, since it "proves" global warming isn't true?

Much like the EF global warming is apparently back on:  the forecast for Friday is low 60s with mid-70s by Sunday.  What will Dave think now?

(The "snow" where I am consisted of maybe half an inch on car tops and caused us to delay school by two hours.  The locals were terrified.  I remember two Easters ago we got snow here and a local preacher was interviewed on the news saying it was a sign of the end of the world.)

Date: 2008/12/13 22:37:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reed @ Dec. 13 2008,22:33)
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Dec. 13 2008,17:08)

IOW, evolution by pre-existing but unexpressed coding.

   
Quote (Helen Pickersgill @ ,)

beyond a role in natural selection, phenotypic capacitors may also support the evolution of cancer cells, which are notoriously resilient to many environmental stresses and exhibit widespread genetic instability.

Your designer sure is a swell guy, front loading us with all the intricately designed mechanisms for cancer to evade treatment.

Well it's really our own fault for eating that fruit.  It's not like Daniel's god front-loaded us to do that....

Date: 2008/12/14 15:45:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 14 2008,15:24)
Ben Stein may be 95% mentally defective. But he's 5% sensible.

I believe there's an expression about broken clocks that may apply.  I felt the same way when I read W's comments on literalism, evolution, etc. the other day.

Date: 2008/12/14 17:56:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 14 2008,17:25)
Final Exam tomorrow morning at 8. Lab at 11 with a final test (as opposed to a Final Exam).

I hope to go back and finish this series beginning next weekend, after my final Final.

Good luck on the test.  I'm looking forward to seeing more of your reports, they've been missed.

Date: 2008/12/14 23:00:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 14 2008,21:20)
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 14 2008,18:17)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 14 2008,16:34)
Wow. That's just a straight up fabrication. I don't even think Salvador has been that dishonest.

I did an experiment.  I only know about Sal Cordova from this board.  My hypothesis was that being a creationist and an ID proponent, he was likely to be dishonest.  I googled for 10 minutes and got these links:

Sal Cordova's Rank Dishonesty
ERV Eats Sal's Soul
Sal Cordova:  Quotemining Liar

Hypothesis confirmed!

Allow me:

Salvador Cordova, Asshole of the Year

Any hints at who's in contention this year?

Date: 2008/12/16 20:23:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Daniel Smith:  Don't call me ape.  Apes don't read scientific papers.

Louis:   Yes they do, Daniel, they just don't understand them.

Date: 2008/12/21 19:51:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ Dec. 21 2008,18:29)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 21 2008,15:43)
We just finished decorating our tree, whilst listening to my very favorite Christmas carol.

"Whilst"??  What self-respecting North Carolinian says "whilst"?

Dude, you're spending way too much time with these Poms and their mum mom jokes.   :angry:

I was thinking it was because he's some highfalutin college boy now.

Date: 2008/12/22 16:18:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 22 2008,15:58)
Quote
10. The Cell Wall

Sounds like the cell walls evolved once (using cellulose) for plants & algae, and separately (using chiton) for fungi? So fungi walls

aren't homologous with plant walls. And us animals have to do without walls around our cells.

Quote
This is pretty cool, especially since the mitochondria is just an infection, really.

Either that or a bit of food that didn't get properly digested. :p

But all that aside, when will we get to the chapter on irreducible complexity? :p  :)

Henry

You can't have just a chapter on IC.  Only an entire book on the subject is stable.

Date: 2008/12/24 14:27:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 24 2008,14:05)
Quote (dochocson @ Dec. 24 2008,10:40)
HAHA! I would high five the Davester, but I don't want to get Cheezy Poof debris all over my hands.

Do you think if I accidently slipped while high fiving Davey that a jury of my peers would award me damages for his broken nose spewing blood all over my hand?

I'm just asking....

Maybe that's what really happened to Khan's wrist?

Date: 2008/12/24 22:44:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Dec. 24 2008,21:53)
The Airing of Grievances:

Fark family
Fark holidays
Fark pain
Fark the god you rode in on

Will not engage in wrestling

Ixnay on the Estlingwray!  GOP will hear you.  And Arden and Louis don't need any encouragement either.


On a totally unrelated note, I'm at one of the Baylor-affiliated hospitals in Dallas with my pregnant wife (who's on medical bed rest for the holidays).  I know it's not quite the real thing, but I was wondering if I should send Dembski a gift from the cafeteria?  Maybe some jello?

Date: 2009/01/06 21:38:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Shorter StephenB:  2000 years ago someone, somewhere died on a cross.  Won't someone invent something we can use to stand up for him?

Date: 2009/01/09 13:59:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 08 2009,21:37)
another gem from Hour 2. And keep in mind I'm talking Reeeeeeeaaaalllllll Slooooowwwwwww:

Me: "Y=2x+1. What is y, when x=2?"
"Uh....4."
"okay, when x is 2, 2x is 4, but then you have to add the 1."
"Ain't none a my math teachers ever told me you got to do all that extra stuff."

i had to resist the urge to just smack him in the mouth :-)

Now imagine what it's like when 10-20 of them decide to be like that at the same time.  Not every day, but often enough not to keep sharp objects in the front of the desk.

And on the cultural thing:  As a closet-atheist, longhaired city boy who grew up in Arkansas and works in rural Texas, I get a lot of those looks.

Date: 2009/01/16 22:57:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reed @ Jan. 16 2009,19:09)
You don't have to research: Simple geometry should tell you that a global flood is nonsense. Volume of water to reach > 8 km over current sea level, where did it come from, where did it go ?

[FTK] If you would just call Walt yourself.  Or agree to debate him in a series of novels... [/FTK]

Date: 2009/01/18 14:03:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 18 2009,13:30)
Quote (Cubist @ Jan. 17 2009,21:01)
That waste of perfectly good celluloid which you call Expelled is a compendium of groundless whining, logical fallacies, libelous (or is it 'slanderous'? I can never remember which is spoken and which is written)

Libel is written defamation, slander is spoken. Mnemonic: libel can be read in the LIBrary.

And Slander is Spoken.

Date: 2009/01/18 14:07:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (1of63 @ Jan. 18 2009,13:40)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 18 2009,13:26)
(Trying to get thread back on-topic,) in his latest post Dave has invented a new word:        
Quote
<snip> Well, I for one would like to know exactly what flaws in Origin of Species Fuller thinks are acknowledged. Furthermore, I know plenty of Christians who believe much of the bible is methaphoric. <snip>

Anyone know what to make of that?

The high you get from meth?

Could account for things like talking snakes or sticks that turn into them.

Maybe that's what Dave's been up to in the Floating Command Center?

On the other point about biblical literalism...Doesn't Dave know that the Big Tent is the 3rd rail of UD?  And him without his bannation immunity.

Date: 2009/01/18 14:10:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 18 2009,13:58)
Despite your ramblings of seeing patterns where there are none, conversations with you are much more interesting and infinitely more pleasant than talking to Daniel.

How about a list of things that aren't more pleasant than a conversation with Daniel?  Let's see...

No, I've got nothing.

Date: 2009/01/18 16:13:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 18 2009,15:27)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 18 2009,12:10)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 18 2009,13:58)
Despite your ramblings of seeing patterns where there are none, conversations with you are much more interesting and infinitely more pleasant than talking to Daniel.

How about a list of things that aren't more pleasant than a conversation with Daniel?  Let's see...

No, I've got nothing.

Evidently you weren't around for when VMartin and William Wallace used to post here.

(Damn kids on my lawn...)

Oh, I remember.  And I agree, but VMartin did have the whole is he/isn't he Javison with a fake accent intrigue in the early days.  That was great entertainment.  Then he got obsessed and started to sound like a bot whose only response to any topic was about coloration in butterflies.

Date: 2009/01/21 16:43:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Amadan @ Jan. 21 2009,13:40)
A final comment to close this thread - permanently, we hope:

 
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We will restore science to its rightful place...

Not to extend the thread, but this was the one line where I lost my poker face while watching with my students.  I couldn't suppress a cheer.

Date: 2009/01/23 23:36:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday to both of you.  Wes, thanks for helping all of us fight the good fight.

Date: 2009/01/25 19:53:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Earlier this season there was a brilliant episode of My Name is Earl where the ex-wife tries to win a science fair by disproving evolution. Her plan:  Making a fish try to evolve legs to get the food she has placed out of reach.  Unfortunately for her she uses a tadpole.  Her conclusion on seeing the results: "I guess we don't have to go to church any more."

I very much imagine our friends at UD at that level in their efforts.

Date: 2009/01/25 20:46:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (noncarborundum @ Jan. 25 2009,20:17)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 25 2009,19:53)
Earlier this season there was a brilliant episode of My Name is Earl where the ex-wife tries to win a science fair by disproving evolution. Her plan:  Making a fish try to evolve legs to get the food she has placed out of reach.  Unfortunately for her she uses a tadpole.  Her conclusion on seeing the results: "I guess we don't have to go to church any more."

I very much imagine our friends at UD at that level in their efforts.

But she actually performed the experiment.  Doesn' that put her one up on the UDenizens?

I'll go sit in the corner and think about what I did.

Date: 2009/01/29 14:32:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I'm just about finished reading The Ancestor's Tale.  Last night, after reading the discussion here, I ran across Dawkins using "wait for it..." (In the chapter on the RNA world).  Truly this is is sign.  Of what I have no idea.

Date: 2009/01/31 19:07:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 31 2009,18:21)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 31 2009,19:16)
 
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 31 2009,10:36)
New UD FAQ Coming Soon      
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I especially invite our opponents to participate in this process. I assure you that if you raise any fair objection, it will be treated with respect, and you could very well prompt us to modify the FAQ.

My scientific prediction is that this will result in the need to open "Uncommonly Dense Thread 3" far sooner than anticipated.

A FAQ section written by their opponents already exists.

I suspect they don't want anything like that.

Critics of ID Creationism have basically written the entire UD site, just in a more comprehensive and ordered format.

Or for the most comprehensive, chaotic, and entertaining version see UD-I, UD-II, and of course here

Date: 2009/02/04 17:14:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Congratulations, Louis.  We just had our second tax deduction daughter over the holidays.  Came a little early (31 weeks) but everyone's home and healthy now.  

My advice:

1)  Start working on that upper-body strength now.  It's amazing what holding a baby (even a 4 pounder) will do to previously underused muscles.

2)  Get one of these.  Our first daughter still loves her "turtle with stars" after three years.

Date: 2009/02/06 10:12:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 06 2009,09:40)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 06 2009,09:44)
 
Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 05 2009,20:58)
     
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 05 2009,18:27)
As far as I can tell, the TSP is an optimization problem - where the best solution can always be found by a brute force search of all permutations.  As such, it is quite obvious that the shorter overall distance will always be selected.

I don't think you have any idea of the number of routes that are possible. With just 20 places to visit there are 6*10^16 and with 100 places there are 4.7*10^157. In general, there are (n-1)!/2 possible routes. A brute force search is not on the cards for all but the simplest problems.

:-)

There is a relevant use of complexity that Daniel's statements indicate that he is entirely ignorant of, one that makes anything he says about evolutionary computation (or computation in general) about as valuable as hamster spit.

Hamster spit might be rather valuable to hamster researchers.

Or for hamster paternity suits.  Or for solving crimes involving hamsters. Which are pretty common with this crowd...

Date: 2009/02/09 13:05:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 09 2009,10:29)
It's hard to know what DaveScot means here. What are the other possibilities in the natural <--> supernatural dichotomy? Sub-natural? Crypto-natural? Ex-natural?

Isn't that Javison's concept? God is ex-natural?

Date: 2009/02/10 14:12:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 09 2009,15:47)
Firstly, like my route to the pub, many of the amino acids found in modern organisms are relatively simple (i.e. the R group side chain is not 16 Buckminster-fullerenes linked into a Borromean ring system, it’s a methyl or tolyl group etc).

This image made my morning.  Thanks, Louis.

Date: 2009/02/17 18:25:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 16 2009,22:23)
 
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 16 2009,18:09)
Science "speaks".  Science "tells me" that "variation and selection, reflecting countless contingent events, account for those pathways of descent".  Handwaving anyone?  Science has none of these pathways worked out. ?

Except the ones that are, whereupon you then proceed to move your goalposts back even to abiogenesis, if necessary, to maintain your delusional state in which your incredulity beats known, demonstrable evidence.  

     
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 16 2009,18:09)
     
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What basis do you have for excluding human beings from otherwise universal common descent other than your wishes and biases?

Things such as speech, language, culture, design, learning potential - in short the things that set us apart from apes.?

All the things you listed are found in chimps, in varying degrees of elaboration.

Some are well-developed in the wild, some are basic -- but ALL of them are found in chimps. Your next move is to express unwarranted incredulity when shown examples of each... despite

(1) the aspects you listed existing in chimps in at least rudimentary form, therefore not exclusive to humans,
(2) You having read virtually nothing on the topic, I'd wager.

Oh, and I'll also guess you'll try to split semantic hairs on what each consists of. Your goalposts will be flying around like crazy, per your usual tactic.

I remember you and others having the same conversation with good old AFDave years ago.  What amazes me is how many people have no real knowledge of chimps at all.  My wife periodically teaches a primates class for her anthropology students and takes them out to a nearby retirement center for chimps.  For the students, spending even a small amount of time around the chimps makes it impossible not to see those qualities.

Date: 2009/02/17 18:30:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 17 2009,12:32)
Sometimes, you just have to stop for a moment and wonder at the infinite stupidity of the ID movement.

Let's say I have a theory that bananas are a kind of fish. I will write books about it, create my own Banana Institute to promote the idea, try to push it in nutrition classes, get my ass handed to me, complain about the evil fruity conspiracy not willing to Teach The Controversy© and finally cry "oppresion" because the institutions refuse to take my claims, or its defenders, seriously.

Academic freedom, yeah. These guys are a tablecloth and a ham sandwich short of a picnic...

But are fish designed to fit perfectly into your hand?

Date: 2009/02/17 21:24:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Maybe it's a relativistic effect?

Date: 2009/02/17 21:25:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 17 2009,21:14)
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But are fish designed to fit perfectly into your hand?


The square kind that they serve in fast food places are. ;)

Henry

Waterloo!!!!!!11111!!!!!1!!!!11!1oneoneone

Date: 2009/02/19 17:14:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 19 2009,14:43)
 
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 19 2009,01:08)
 
Quote (raguel @ Feb. 19 2009,00:27)
I haven't seen anyone here dispute the presence of oxygen (the element) on Earth.  Your argument therefore is that water and carbon dioxide would react the same as oxygen (the molecule) simply because they all have oxygen (the atom/element). This is false, and you would have avoided making such an obvious mistake if you took the time to learn Chemistry.


No, no, no. That's not what I'm saying.  I am not saying CO2 and H2O react the same as O or O2.

According to the evolutionary model there was enough O atoms to bind with H (H2O) to make enough water vapor to create the oceans after the earth cooled.  

This is my point.  The MODEL is A THEORY created in someone's mind, and the theory shoots itself in the foot--If you've got enough O atoms to make enough H2O vapor to create OCEANS, then you've got alot of oygen.  Who is to say that it wouldn't bind with itself above the surface.  

The banded iron formations, that's who.

Don't try to fool our friend with your godless Darwinist Periodic Table-based theories!

Date: 2009/02/22 22:14:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 22 2009,11:50)
Quote
I would be curious if anyone familiar with high school biology curriculum (TexasTeach, Albatrossity?) would like to comment regarding whether Lynn Margulis or the Cambrian Explosion really need the Discovery Institute's protection.


We cover endosymbiotic origin of mitochondria and chloroplasts. We might or might not do the Cambrian Explosion - the curriculum focuses more on mechanisms than on timeline. Maybe I'll work it in there.

It's been a couple years since I taught Bio, but I covered Margulis' ideas when I taught the parts of the cell.  The kids were surprisingly interested.  I never spent long on life's timeline other than to emphasize the extreme length.

Rather than the IDC manfactuversies I did go into some actual disagreements in evolution: whether or not Neanderthals were ancestral to us, whether "Out of Africa" or "Regional Continuity" has convincing support.  These, of course, are not going to give the creationists anywhere to hide.

Date: 2009/02/23 21:40:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 23 2009,19:12)
 
Quote (huwp @ Feb. 23 2009,17:08)
Oh, and Arden, put a sock in it do, we know rugby is far too rough for your gentle soul.


HA HA THIS IS YOU:

<snip image>

Best "HA HA THIS IS YOU:" Evah!

Date: 2009/02/24 16:58:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 24 2009,08:57)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 24 2009,08:43)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 24 2009,08:35)
For larger type, a shorter message is called for... "That Was False" or just a great big "FALSE" might be even better.

In this time of vanishing resources and increasing expenses, don't we owe it to the world - and the kidz - to use less ink whrever possible?

I think that "LIE" is short, sweet, eco-friendly and true, and so should be used rather than "False".

My $.02

If you use "FALSE", then you aren't impugning the speaker's character, save the huffiness over pointing out ignorance. If you use "LIE", then you are likely to be ejected sooner. It depends on whether your goal is to inform the audience of untrue statements as they happen, or to get expelled as soon as possible. That will inform your choice of word.

Since the attack gerbil <waves at Casey> reads this, shouldn't we worry they'll expell anyone carrying placards as they enter his talks?  Perhaps we could get Prof. Dawkins to carry some in (he apparently has a cloaking device that works on creationists)?

Date: 2009/02/26 16:43:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Feb. 26 2009,11:39)
To offer Marks up as "perhaps the smartest man of the 21st C." -- not even a decade into that century -- is truly fuckin' retarded, on multiple levels.

Given the whole Galapagos Finch affair, I can name a dozen smarter people on this board.

edited to fix conjugation issues

Date: 2009/02/26 18:40:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Feb. 26 2009,18:34)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 24 2009,17:58)
you poor dumb bastard, there is no 'their own'.  wrong is fucking wrong.  and you are wrong, inasmuch as you say anything of substance.

You're right Erasmus - someone is wrong here.

You claim that the paper Albatrossity recommended, and I later cited, was full of errors in regard to its classification of the Tragopogon mirus and T. miscellus species.

So whom am I to believe: Ales Kovarik and R. Matyasek of the Institute of Biophysics, Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic, Kralovopolska; J. C. Pires of the Department of Agronomy, University of Wisconsin, Madison; A. R. Leitch and K. Y. Lim of the School of Biological Sciences, Queen Mary, University of London; A. Sherwood of the School of Biological Sciences, Washington State University, Pullman; J. Rocca and P. Soltis of the Florida Museum of Natural History, University of Florida, Gainesville; and D. Soltis of the Department of Botany, University of Florida, Gainesville;

OR...

Erasmus, FCD - foul-mouthed, anonymous internet poster?

That's a tuffy!!  But I think I'll side with those who actually sign and stand behind their work.

That sound you just heard is the sound of all irony meters stopping instantaneously and every molecule in them exploding at the speed of light.

Date: 2009/03/04 17:10:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 04 2009,12:45)
Having read the Theos/Comres report through once, it is obvious that these people have not bothered with looking at the cross tabulations.

The folks at UD simplified things and just looked at the Cross.

Date: 2009/03/04 17:21:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 04 2009,17:15)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 04 2009,16:10)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 04 2009,12:45)
Having read the Theos/Comres report through once, it is obvious that these people have not bothered with looking at the cross tabulations.

The folks at UD simplified things and just looked at the Cross.

So they're Cross-ID?

Tip. Veal.  All week.

Date: 2009/03/10 18:16:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Mar. 10 2009,18:09)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 10 2009,19:05)
Edit gives me:

Ikonboard Message
Sorry, you are not permitted to use this board

You are currently logged in as Richardthughes

Been havin' that too.

Why are you logged in as Richardthughes?

I'll get my coat...

Date: 2009/03/11 18:09:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 11 2009,17:41)


In fact, Denyse, there are apparently no neurons at all.

(God tells us right from wrong. Right from left he leaves to us.)

That was beautiful, but I don't Denyse is getting any better advice on right from wrong than on right from left.

Date: 2009/03/15 16:16:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 15 2009,11:57)
In our hallway at school, there was once (it had to be taken down for painting and has yet to be restored) an interesting graphical representation of the history of life on earth.

At the far end, a paper was taped to the end wall representing the formation of the earth. Doc then counted out the floor tiles (12" x 12") and divided up the hallway. Each tile turned out to represent about 300 million years. Along one side of the hallway were markers representing the first evidence of bacteria, eukaryotes, multi-cellular eukaryotes, animals, mammals, etc etc.

The appearance of modern humans about a thumbnail width from the edge of the last tile (worked out to be about 6' from the near end of the hall) really puts things in perspective. Standing at that line and gazing down the history of the earth like that pretty much elicits just whispered obscenities.

For future use in your classroom, you can get the same sort of response by having the students make a timeline like that on adding machine paper.  It's long, cheap, and a great visual aid.

Date: 2009/03/18 16:56:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 18 2009,16:23)
Call Kevin Miller XI!  It appears that poor Hugh Jass has suffered for his sins and been Expelled from UD.  Even his earlier post on O'Leary's animal post has been wiped clean.

What they need over there is someone that can stand up to the crazies, someone that can call Dr. Dr. Bill and get things fixed.  Someone that lives on a Floating Command Center...

added in edit.  Do we need to get a Bring Back DaveScot Petition to send to Dembski?

I think the goal for all new sock puppets should be to stand in for our fallen hero.  Maybe we could have an award for best DT look alike over there?  Remember, if DaveTard didn't exist, we would be forced to invent him.

Date: 2009/03/18 21:35:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dvunkannon @ Mar. 18 2009,20:15)
Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 18 2009,21:09)
 
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Sal Gal: The program makes a pretty picture. What of it? The probability of looking around and seeing a pretty picture is high.

Something funny about the ID obsession with the Weasel program is the oblivion to the context in which Hamlet says, “Methinks it is like a weasel.” On most days, in most places, you can look into the sky and match many patterns.

tribune7: And how specific would they be? Is that a bunny or a giraffe?

HAMLET: Do you see yonder cloud that's almost in shape of a camel?
LORD POLONIUS: By the mass, and 'tis like a camel, indeed.
HAMLET: Methinks it is like a weasel.
LORD POLONIUS: It is backed like a weasel.
HAMLET: Or like a whale?
LORD POLONIUS: Very like a whale.

Polonius was using an early version of the Nixplanatory Filter to detect the designs in the cloud shapes. Do you think a camel-weasel-whale shaped cloud could just happen by accident??

And since no one has ever seen a real life camweaswhale, evolution is false [/K. Cameron]

Date: 2009/03/22 09:50:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (carlsonjok @ Mar. 22 2009,04:29)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 22 2009,00:52)
He keeps a list, bless! Casey - less faux martyr, more science, 'kay?

Yeah, Luskin (MS, JD, Esq) used the same list at his Academic Freedom Day talk at OU last month.  He affected the nice little Christian boy pose right before launching into a nasty bit of character assassination on ERV.  Apparently, at the DI, being more Christ-like means pretending you are up there on a cross muttering "Science, Science, why has Thou forsaken me?"

Although, you do have to admire someone who can actually print the "unprintable."  That surely must take a towering intellect.

I imagine that Casey hires an agnostic, non-English speaker to type that out safely for him.

Date: 2009/03/27 17:09:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Summary from Steve Schafersman's live blogging:

   
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What is the bottom line? Did we win or lose? Neither. We got rid of the worst language, but a great deal of qualifying language remains. I am not going to claim either victory or defeat. I realize that Casey Luskin of Discovery Institute will declare complete, unqualified victory, but it is not that for them. Neither is it for us. The standards adopted were generally good, but there are several that are flawed, fortunately most in minor ways that textbook authors and publishers can deal with. I think we can work around the few flawed standards. But the point is that there shouldn't be ANY flawed standards. The science standards as submitted by the science writing teams were excellent and flaw-free. All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creationism.


Read Friday's liveblog here

As someone who has to use the standards, reading about how we get such insane language as "guidance" now becomes clear.  Even the ok standards are now a mess of impossible to parse grammar. Given the creationists on the Board, I guess we're lucky there aren't sections written in ALL CAPS.  ;)

Date: 2009/04/03 17:12:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 03 2009,12:00)
Very good day for gay Iowans, and for human rights in America.  But teh gay goes against God's plans!  

   
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The Iowa Supreme Court this morning upheld a Polk County judge’s 2007 ruling that marriage should not be limited to one man and one woman.

The ruling, viewed nationally and at home as a victory for the gay rights movement and a setback for social conservatives, means gay couples can legally marry in Iowa beginning April 24.


Link

 
Quote
Now, Stuart, if you look at the soil around any large US city, with a big underground homosexual population. Des Moines, Iowa, perfect example. Look at the soil around Des Moines, Stuart.  You can't build on it; you can't grow anything in it. The government says it's due to poor farming. But I know what's really going on, Stuart. I know it's the queers. They're in it with the aliens.  They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to God.


One of the greatest songs evah!

Date: 2009/04/15 17:17:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Bob O'H @ April 15 2009,00:47)
Well, it means they might work financially.  Perhaps we should start The Open Journal of Crank Science.

How about The Archived Research of Design Science?

Date: 2009/04/21 17:41:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ April 21 2009,16:09)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ April 21 2009,17:51)
[SNIP]

Oh, and quit trying to talk for gods by saying what is and is not insulting to them, Daniel. You aren't privy to the thoughts of any gods -- no matter how much you may want to imagine yourself in that role

{Reads back}

Oh I see Denial is yet another Self-Proclaimed Spokesman For God (TM Patent Pending). I do so love it when some religious fruitcake tells me what their god thinks. I'm always curious to find out how they know, and of course how what they know can be distinguished from a) any other religious claim and b) the pathological ramblings of my (now sadly committed) chum Emile who thinks he's Napoleon. Oh and of course, I'm always curious to find out if they can disprove my contention that it is impossible for them to demonstrate they are not a child molester (but I'm only curious about this when they make claims of a specific form).

But what about the thoughts of the youth who transports pizza to your home?  Surely he must have some especially valuable insights on the mind of god(s).

Date: 2009/04/24 17:01:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 24 2009,15:53)
JoeG  
Quote
That doesn't count the experiments I conduct in my basement.
ROFLMAO!

Isn't experimenting on insects in your basement one of the signs you might be a serial killer?

Date: 2009/04/27 17:34:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ April 27 2009,12:36)
 
Quote (keiths @ April 27 2009,13:24)
Denyse the environmentalist:

How Darwin Worship Helps Animal Extinction

Is she really this stupid?

 
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If I die tonight, the most urgent thing I want to say is this: Putting animals on the same plane as humans not only disses humans but dooms animals.

Just imagine what would happen if we put humans and snakes on the same plane...

Date: 2009/04/28 16:59:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 28 2009,13:16)
Worst case scenario: sunspots come roaring back in 2012, coinciding with the eruption of the Yellowstone caldera, melting of the ice caps, swine flu merging with chicken flu, and Jaguars falling from the sky.

...dogs and cats living together...

Date: 2009/05/01 17:21:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Congratulations on being the answer to the Question.

Better hurry and finish your degree or we'll be welcoming you to the profession and celebrating your retirement simultaneously. ;)

Date: 2009/05/01 17:51:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ May 01 2009,08:01)
Quote (afarensis @ May 01 2009,06:44)
Quote (Amadan @ May 01 2009,05:58)
Persecution!!!!!11!!!!

He is still on the board and the idiot governor will still get to pick the next chairman...

Quick!  To the Floating Command Center!

Maybe they really will be dumb enough to seceed - and take their McElroy's and DaveScott's with them.

But what about us sane people?  I lived in Missouri for 9 years, I hate northern winters.  Is there anywhere warm and reasonable?  Florida is definitely out.  Maybe I should start trying to promote global warming?

Date: 2009/05/01 18:23:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ May 01 2009,17:54)
Quote (Texas Teach @ May 01 2009,15:51)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ May 01 2009,08:01)
   
Quote (afarensis @ May 01 2009,06:44)
   
Quote (Amadan @ May 01 2009,05:58)
Persecution!!!!!11!!!!

He is still on the board and the idiot governor will still get to pick the next chairman...

Quick!  To the Floating Command Center!

Maybe they really will be dumb enough to seceed - and take their McElroy's and DaveScott's with them.

But what about us sane people?  I lived in Missouri for 9 years, I hate northern winters.  Is there anywhere warm and reasonable?  Florida is definitely out.  Maybe I should start trying to promote global warming?

Only a Texan would consider Missouri "northern".

:)  Actually, I'm a hereditary Texan who was raised in Arkansas.  And anything further north than that the Yankees can keep.  

During the first winter my wife and I spent in grad school in Columbia there was a week where the temperature never topped 0.  Fahrenheit.  I was also quite distressed to learn that we were expected to show up for class/work with 8 inches of snow on the ground.  To my eyes that might as well have been 8 feet.  I was ready to start rationing what was in the pantry in case no one came to dig us out.

Date: 2009/05/01 20:47:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ May 01 2009,19:30)
P.S. We Missourians prefer to think of ourselves as midwesterners not yankees.

Oh, I know.  I actually find Midwesterners in general, and St. Louisans specifically, a very pleasant people.  (We spent two years in Florissant while my wife did a post-doc).  We even forgive y'all for not understanding the proper pronoun for the second person plural.

Date: 2009/05/02 13:26:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ May 02 2009,12:35)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 02 2009,10:17)
 
Quote
I don't think Dembski's fan base is going to like this.

I think that you misoverestimate them.

Dembski's base trusts that he has done their thinking for them. Dembski writes arguments that are supposed to be cited as if proof-texts, not understood. Dembski's fan base is supposed to know that however he argues, "intelligent design" comes out ahead thereby. Dembski, after all, has made it clear time and again that no one without his own set of credentials has any business saying something critical about his work. A critical attitude correlates well with Dembski's dismissal of the critic as somehow not understanding his arguments.

The shift in argumentation is simply Dembski making good on his 2005 promise to change the rhetoric to "intelligent evolution". It's all about repackaging the same old religious antievolution arguments to squeeze as many as possible into public school science curricula.

I'm not so sure, Wes.

Dembski and Marks are essentially saying "Darwin was right.  Evolution is driven primarily by random mutation and natural selection.  It's just that fitness is teleological."  Do you think that someone like Slimy Sal Cordova -- a Dembski sycophant if there ever was one -- is going to be happy about "Darwin was right about RM and NS"?

I think what Wes is saying (please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Dembski's followers all understand that whatever Dembski says it's still all just part of the plan.  If the Dr. Dr. says that everything about evolution is true except this one tiny little part here, they will read that as part of his super secret strategy to take that tiny little part and use it to break apart the entire evil materialist theory.  Almost as if he'd used one of those things you stick into a small crack and force something apart with....What are those things called?  Starts with a "W" I think...

Date: 2009/05/04 21:30:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (k.e.. @ May 03 2009,22:45)
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

<snip>

God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

<snip>

In fairness, the trees were engaged in some totally gay pollination.  And the babies were going to grow up to be Hitler. Yes, all of them.

Back on topic... If Daniel won't talk about Ye Olde Flood, maybe he'll enlighten us about witches.  That would be entertaining.

Date: 2009/05/06 17:30:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (carlsonjok @ May 06 2009,14:30)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 06 2009,14:20)
 
Quote (keiths @ May 06 2009,14:11)
tribune7 has an entry in the "most pitiful retort" category:
   
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2

beelzebub
05/06/2009
2:05 am

Um, Sal —

Pointing out that A.N. Wilson is a “credulous moron” (to borrow Dembski’s phrase) who has reconverted to Christianity doesn’t exactly help your cause.
     
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3

tribune7
05/06/2009
8:02 am

Showing that ID works certainly does.

IDC works?

I must have missed the announcement. Where has that been demonstrated?

Here, where Dembski unequivocally states:
 
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Let me reiterate that ID has been very, very good to me!


So, unless you are willing to compare book sales and/or balance sheets, all I can say is Q-E-freaking-D.

Professor Dawkins to the white courtesy phone...Professor Dawkins to the white courtesy phone...

Date: 2009/05/08 17:41:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
#473 on Casey's list of ways those evil Darwinist internet hoodlums are mean to him:

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Made fun of the way I thay thtuff.

Date: 2009/05/09 20:05:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 09 2009,19:52)
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ May 09 2009,18:01)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 09 2009,17:00)
Nils, it's been about six hours since you asked that question.  So far we have had five real live biologists, two student biologists and one person who was trained in biology, but works in another field respond to you.

Ok, I was wrong, there are indeed many scientists in the field of biology on this forum. This means your opinions here might be relevant for my questions.


There are many biologists in the ID movement:
Michael Behe, Jonathan Wells, Paul Chien.

Three in the ID movement vs. 5 just commenting on this website.  Way to shoot yourself in the foot!

Should we just grant him Behe?  He's not a biologist but a biochemist*.  A biochemist who has admitted he hasn't read a fairly substantial chunk of the biological literature.

*Not that I have anything against other biochemists.  It's just a completely different degree.  In my experience it's often closer to bioCHEMISTRY than BIOchemistry.

Date: 2009/05/11 20:31:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Question for the group:

Does Daniel's departure count as a flounce out?

a) yes

b)  
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I did not come here to debate the flood.  

I came here to point out the fact that the atheists here do not know how life came to be, do not know how life evolved, and ignore its obvious design.


c)  
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I've come to the conclusion that you atheists hide behind science because you know that it cannot test for God.  You pour over the books to reinforce your belief that life is just a cosmic coincidence.  You think that science has eliminated the need for God, yet science has explained exactly nothing regarding the origins of life.


d) all of the above

Please show your work...

Date: 2009/05/14 17:35:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote
like making a soufflé

Didn't someone work out the CSI for that?

Date: 2009/05/19 18:12:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
D'OL will love the fact that ABC just reported on their nightly newscast that it is the "oldest fossil ever found".  <Lack of qualifiers theirs> Twice.  Sigh.

Date: 2009/05/24 23:59:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ May 24 2009,18:37)
So they are 'thinking' their designer wrote spaghetti code?

Coincidence?  I think not.

Ramen.

Date: 2009/06/03 10:21:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
He's beautiful, Louis.  Congratulations. It gets even better: in a few months he'll learn to smile at you.

Date: 2009/06/03 21:26:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 03 2009,20:07)
 
Quote (keiths @ June 03 2009,19:02)
With Arden gone, I think carlson is just pining for a chance to call someone a queen, and he's willing to do violence to my anatomy in service of that base desire (seek help, carlson).  However, the last time I checked, I still had the dangly bits "down there".  

I stand corrected and offer my apologies. Not sure where I got that from. I restore to you the title King of Tard Miners.  Ras, however, is still a queen.

I think you're thinking of lkeithlu, who I believe has confessed to having two X chromosomes (unlike several others around here who have two Xs and a Y).

Date: 2009/06/04 11:51:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 04 2009,11:40)
It just takes three steps.

1. Actual conservation laws are well-regarded.
2. My idea needs to be well-regarded.
3. My idea is a conservation law.

Since it's that easy, I propose the following:

The Law of Conservation of TARD--Any idea which begins as TARD will remain TARD no matter how many sciency sounding words, equations, or simulations it is put through.

This law is my law which is mine, etc...

Date: 2009/06/04 11:54:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
They're stealing our acronym:  T.A.R.D.

Date: 2009/06/05 15:06:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 05 2009,14:10)
On the C Hunter thread:
 
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29

Nakashima

06/05/2009

2:00 pm
Mr PaulN,

Of all the plants and animals mentioned in the Bible, which do you think has the weakest support in the fossil record for gradual, macro-evolutionary change?


Which will Paul choose? Which would you choose?

1)He'll fianlly choose a few minutes past the heat death of the universe and

2)the talking snake.

edited to fix horrendous grammar

Date: 2009/06/07 12:44:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ June 07 2009,12:26)
* I lived in Knoxville for six years so I am entitled to say y'all.

I'm all for the spread of the y'all meme to carpetbaggers and yankees, but it drives me crazy when some actor/actress is trying to pull off the accent and can't understand that y'all is plural, not singular.

Date: 2009/06/07 13:40:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ June 07 2009,13:05)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2009,11:44)
     
Quote (afarensis @ June 07 2009,12:26)
* I lived in Knoxville for six years so I am entitled to say y'all.

I'm all for the spread of the y'all meme to carpetbaggers and yankees, but it drives me crazy when some actor/actress is trying to pull off the accent and can't understand that y'all is plural, not singular.

Just what is the singular form you would use?

Where does "all y'all" fit into the scheme of things?

The parts of the south I'm familiar with: Arkansas (where I was raised), Texas, Tennessee (but almost exclusively Memphis), Mississippi, and Alabama use "you" as the singular and "y'all" as the plural.  "All y'all" is used infrequently when one needs something expansive and inclusive of a large group (all of you).

Khan, I can't speak for Kentuckians as I've never actually met any to hear them talk.  Perhaps they've got a completely different set of rules.

Date: 2009/06/07 23:37:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Paul Flocken @ June 07 2009,18:47)
Quote (Henry J @ June 07 2009,19:28)
I would guess that messing up the floor isn't detrimental to the cat, so there's no evolutionary "pressure" in that direction. ;)

Henry

Only if you dont consider having tuna flavored mineral oil forced down your throat with a syringe detrimental. :p

I know at least one cat that was surgically selected out of the gene pool after spraying my wife's college roommate in the face.  If we could start a movement to fix only cats that messed up the floor, I'll bet we could create some hairball free cats (maybe in a few thousand years, but still).

Date: 2009/06/07 23:51:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ June 07 2009,20:53)
"Y'all" is fairly common in Missouri, but I had to go to Arkansas before hearing "All y'all".

I enjoy the way 'all y'all" has increased the variation in my profanity: "Well, fuck all y'all, then" has a satisfying "and the horse you rode in on" heft.

KC

Missouri is interesting in that regard.  With folks from the southern part of the state I could say y'all without it being noticed.  In Columbia and the St. Louis metro, people would giggle when I said it.  Since I have a fairly light accent, the use of y'all was often the only time people would notice it.  I did have one coworker in Columbia who was from New York that would try to give me flak.  I would then translate the sentence for her, replacing y'all with yooz guys.

Date: 2009/06/11 11:47:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ June 11 2009,04:08)
 Mind you, given his current favourite game of "Wee on Dadda" and the abominable aim he demonstrates, I'm concerned he won't be able to handle a lightsaber anything like as well as Master Yoda...

Louis

Two words: secondary containment.  Slide the clean diaper under the baby before opening the old one, then pull the used one out and the new one over as quickly as possible.  When wiping is needed keep the new diaper's edge in one hand like an emergency shield ready to protect you.  I also recommend two pairs of gloves and a full face shield.  If you have one handy, do all of this in a fume hood with the sash lowered.

Date: 2009/06/11 21:34:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ June 11 2009,17:40)
Quote (Henry J @ June 11 2009,23:37)
Quote
I had thought of the "everything I know about life I learned from chemistry" approach.


It's elementary!

And often basic.

Louis

Are back again in one of those periodic pun storms?  Perhaps if the less radical members adhere to a strict plan, we can reduce the reaction rather than compound it.  If we bond together we can find a solution.

Date: 2009/06/11 21:48:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ June 11 2009,21:38)
Are you thinking that the more acidic elements will precipitate out?

If not we could always use the nuclear option: Suspension.

Date: 2009/06/19 16:32:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 19 2009,15:58)
 
Quote (Alan Fox @ June 19 2009,15:41)
DaveScot siting! (and citing)      
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I’m an engineer not an intellectual. Engineers design and build things. That’s what gives me satisfaction. After being cooped up indoors designing and building computer related stuff for 25 years I wanted to design and build stuff outdoors where I get exercise, fresh air, and sunshine in the process. So I bought some untouched wooded acreage on a hillside on the shore of a lake and started turning it into a place to live. After clearing a portion of it I thought a houseboat might suffice for living quarters. After four years of owning a houseboat it turned out to require too much time & effort maintaining it so I sold it in 2006, bought a travel trailer in 2007 so I’d have a comfortable spot to work from, and in 2008 began working in earnest on permanent living quarters. I’ve never been happier or more content in my life as right now. Words can hardly express how much I don’t care about your disapproval.


</delurk>

NoooooOOOOOooo! TEH FLOATING COMMAND CENTER© !!!111111

ID is sunk!

Does that mean it's available?  How does the Official Church Burnin' Ebola Boys Floating Command Center© sound?  <looks between couch cushions for change>

Date: 2009/06/27 14:19:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ June 27 2009,09:32)
Still, I think El Gordo should have gone with Lewontinian Darwinistical Materialistified Atheists-on-a-daily-basis for maximum poison-smokiness, issue-cloudiness, chokiness, and confusiness upon ignition of his oil-of-ad hominem soaked strawman of lunatic demagoguery.  But that's just a quibble with an otherwise excellent attempt to incite religious hysteria and moral panic.

Prose of the week!

Date: 2009/06/28 20:19:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 28 2009,18:20)
Moon Landing Denialism?

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009....es.html

But does he believe in ghosts?

Date: 2009/06/30 15:50:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 30 2009,14:30)
systematist, CornyTArd ain't

Quote
Such high confidence in the face of poor data fits is not limited to science writers. Evolutionists routinely make such absurd claims. In spite of such confidence, the biological data presents an abundance of outlier data that make no sense on the evolutionary assumption that all the species are related via a tree (or a bush, or whatever the latest shape is that evolutionists are sure of).

For instance, species that seem to be highly similar actually have substantial differences (even variants within the same species!). And species that seem quite different actually have profound similarities. The outliers are far outside any evolutionary explanation, aside from the usual tautologies about how it turns out that rapid change occurs all the time, hmmm, and about evolution having a universal toolkit or some such (I wish I had one of those).


even a peremptory perusal of the piffle proffered on the personal pustulous pile of the protesting pipsqueak of 'pologetic praxis should lead a disinterested and bored onlooker to the conclusion that Cornelius Hunter is a friggin' moron.

But 'Ras, those wolves and thylacines in that book look exactly alike, yet people keep telling him they're different.  And in some of the books, the thylacines are colored in and in others they aren't.  That's like really different, but the mean Darwinists say they're the same.

Date: 2009/07/01 18:34:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ July 01 2009,17:23)
More Fun With Terminology!:

 
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Jerry, do you have a problem with CreationWiki, The Encyclopedia of Creation Science, classifying Thaxton as a creationist?
Here is how they describe the site:

 
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Welcome to the CreationWiki

   CreationWiki is a free encyclopedia of apologetics by an international team of missionaries. Creationists are encouraged to get involved with the development of this ever-growing resource (4,411 articles).


He is listed in the category “Creationist” and also in the sub-category “Creation Scientist”, as are both Dean Kenyon and William Dembski.

Sounds like the Dr. Dr. needs to forward them a copy of the "ID is science not religion" memo ASAP.  Or perhaps they are trying to vilify him because deep down they are Darwinist materialist atheists?

Date: 2009/07/03 13:06:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday.  That's weird, it's my dad's birthday, too.  Hey...

Are you my daddy?

Date: 2009/07/10 09:56:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (tsig @ July 10 2009,08:36)
Quote (keiths @ July 09 2009,16:41)
Casey Luskin and the forgiveness reflex:
 
Quote
In the end, I can cheerfully forgive Kevin Beck...

 
Quote
[To Tiana Dietz]:
I get called unjustified names all the time on the ‘net and so I made my peace with such people and such incidents long ago; so I’m not angry about this, and as I said in my prior e-mail to you, I forgive you.

 
Quote
[Second email to Tiana Dietz]:
Regardless of where you choose to go from here, I want you to know that I forgive you, I wish you the best in your life, and I also hope, for your own sakes that you can join the culture of civility and friendship that is very real and very vibrant.

 
Quote
In one single forum at Antievolution.org, created and owned by a former National Center for Science Education staff member, I have been called no less than “Bizarre ignoramus,” “retarded,” “suck-up,” “Pathetic Loser,” “attack mouse, gerbil, rat, or clockwork powered plush toy,” “an orc,” “Annoying,” “a miserable loser with no life,” “an idiot,” “dishonest,” “ignorant cheap poxied floozie,” “fanatic and lunatic,” “A proven liar,” “incompetent,” and many other far more colorful attacks which are probably best left unprinted here on Evolution News and Views.

I don’t list this example to complain — I happily forgive those who have attacked me...

 
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Dear all,

I could say much in defense of myself here, but this is neither the time nor the appropriate venue to do so.  In this regard, I have one, and only one post to make, and one, and only one thing to say: I forgive you all for how you have treated me here, and most of all I forgive Wesley Elsberry and Steve Story.

Sincerely,

Casey Luskin

 
Quote
But I forgive Wesley regardless of whether he does the right thing here, and I will continue to be nice to him in the future.

 
Quote
[To qdragon1337]:
I'm hanging up this phone right now 'cause you have made an illegal action against me and I appreciate your time. If this gets posted you should be aware that I, my understanding is that it is illegal to record a phone call without somebody's knowledge, or letting them know about that first, so I'm going to hang up this phone because you have done something illegal, hope you have a nice day, I have no ill will against you, and I forgive you for the illegal action that you have [unintelligible] today. Have a nice day.  Thank you very much. Bye.


Hey Casey,

It seems like you've forgiven everyone but me.  I feel left out.  You even forgave Wes and Tiana Dietz twice.  What do I have to do to be granted your forgiveness?  If I call you a sanctimonious douchebag, will you forgive me?  Oh, wait -- that would be true, so there would be no need for forgiveness.

Never mind.

He whines like a beaten dog. What do they do to him at the DI?

Whatever it was before, after this I'm guessing it will not be "answering the phone".

Date: 2009/07/15 13:56:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (tsig @ July 15 2009,12:55)
I thought that earlier they were arguing that information has now weight therefore god. Now they are saying information has weight therefore god??

Heads they win, tails we lose.  Waterlooooo!!!1!!!1!!!!

Date: 2009/07/17 00:43:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 17 2009,00:09)
and i think we are all idle thoughts in the mind of mynym

Who should definitely pm 'Ras.

Date: 2009/07/17 17:21:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Has anyone noticed how long it's been since all our resident pinatas left?  

afdave: gone
GoP: fake, then gone
vmartin:  incomprehensible and gone
skeptic:  gone
C. Hunter:  gone to the safety of UD
Paul Nelson:  still gone to some part of the world with no intertubes?
FTK:  gone since February!
denial: gone

Chunky's infrequent drive-by swearfests just aren't the same.  Wailing on the TARDs at UD is great, but it's not the same either.  Can't we get one person with a martyr complex to come join us?

Date: 2009/07/18 14:23:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JLT @ July 18 2009,09:48)
Don't know about penguins, though. Fish-shaped or not?

Here's how you can tell:

When you serve them up fried a on a bun, are they square or round?  If they're square, they're fish.

Date: 2009/07/18 17:39:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JLT @ July 18 2009,16:40)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2009,20:23)
         
Quote (JLT @ July 18 2009,09:48)
Don't know about penguins, though. Fish-shaped or not?

Here's how you can tell:

When you serve them up fried a on a bun, are they square or round?  If they're square, they're fish.

I just learned that at McDonalds (at least in Germany) they give you an additional clue:



Isn't that nice? If you can't tell whether it's fish or not by its taste (not entirely unlikely...), just look at the bun.

Now I only need to find a fast food restaurant that sells penguin burgers ...

That's fantastic.  Is that ketchup, cocktail sauce, or some crazed German condiment on top?  How do they expect to catch up to the US in the size department if they aren't putting a huge glob of tartar sauce on their fried fish?

 
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für Kinder im Happy Meal® um ein hochwertiges Fischprodukt.


I only took one semester of German 15 years ago, but is the "Fischprodukt" for the kids like "cheese food"?

Date: 2009/07/18 18:43:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ July 18 2009,18:27)
Well, the bun may be hydrodynamic but the "fish products" themselves are clearly rectangular.  Same genus (Geometrica) as their square American counterparts, but a different species.

I hear that in Australia they don't have a bun.  Instead they've adapted a pouch.

Date: 2009/07/18 23:15:59, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dvunkannon @ July 18 2009,22:47)
 
Quote
4

Nakashima

07/18/2009

10:35 pm
I’ll throw my hat in the ring as well!

If given posting privileges, I promise to never write about global warming, or moderate comments on my threads.

but would you use the loudspeaker in the ceiling, Darwinist inuit skirt chaser? -ds

No, I wouldn’t.

haiku street theater with a pathetic level of detail, i’m not buying it.



Nakashima, I'm not sure UD is ready for this.

Don't we have a special PotW award for that sort of thing?

Date: 2009/07/19 18:07:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 19 2009,17:58)
And of course UD is officially a charity.....

They certainly provide comfort for TARD addicts who might otherwise go looking for it in the streets.

Date: 2009/07/29 00:55:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 29 2009,00:06)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 28 2009,18:56)
Whoa, I passed post number 3000 without even noticing. You'd think I would have been arrested or infected or something by now.

Pfffft. Greenhorn.

Just Arden's LOLcats total higher than that...

Date: 2009/07/29 18:04:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
On the subject of Dembski's personal grooming, my wife mentioned the other day that a friend of hers had this assessment of Dembski after meeting him:

"That's one very perfumed man."

Date: 2009/07/29 21:06:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ July 29 2009,20:57)
Atom is a tard:  
Quote

cirus @48,
Good post. Someone else also mentioned that each bodily orifice presents an entry point for bacteria and other toxins - the more entry points, the more possibilities of infection. So I’d add that to your already impressive list of design principles underlying the combined pathway.
Atom


Yeah, great.....now explain the awesome list of design principles underlying potentially lethal bacterial infections and other toxins.

Your ancestors ate the fruit God the Designer told you not to eat.  Bad creations.  Bad!

Date: 2009/07/31 17:11:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 31 2009,15:09)
All science, all the time.

FYI, Harry Potter's blood also does something.

Neither one of them can top the "molecular acid" blood the aliens in the Alien movies have. And since we know that the designer could have been aliens, that means ID is true.  Take that chance worshipers.

Date: 2009/08/01 23:50:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 01 2009,22:20)
ETA  WHOA THIS ONE IS EVEN DUMBER

 
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FRIDAY, JULY 31, 2009
The H2O2 Experiment
Tomorrow I am starting a regimen of hydrogen peroxide- food grade 35%- diluted in water and down the chute.

This is supposed to help cleanse my body and eliminate and/ or prevent many types of diseases- including cancer and AIDS.

I just want to be ready for the upcoming flu season, as well as the lingering swine flu.

And seeing that my family has a history of cancer (mom, dad and one sister), this could be another one of my preventative measures.

Stay tuned for more...
posted by Joe G @ 9:30 PM


lololololololol JOE

Setting aside Joe's complete lack understanding of germ theory (shocking, I know), that's just an astoundingly bad idea.  I guess it all depends on how much he's diluting it, but 35% peroxide is nasty stuff.  My wife used that stuff in her archeological lab back in grad school. (Actually she used the 33% stuff from a pool supply shop, which was something like 100X less expensive.)  I got some on my hand once.  Hurt more and for longer than any of the concentrated acids I ever spilled.  Turned that patch of skin the purest white I've ever seen.

Joe: you might want to have poison control's number handy, just in case.

Date: 2009/08/02 15:13:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 02 2009,14:14)
 
Quote
Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent


Ashdown BC, et al. (1998). Hydrogen peroxide poisoning causing brain infarction: neuroimaging findings. American Journal of Roentgenology <b>170</b>:1653-5.

For crissakes, the stuff I have at home is only 3%, and the label specifically warns against ingesting it.

He apparently started this treatment a while back.

Date: 2009/08/05 21:39:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
How about Dave's campaign to promote and possibly test on himself (or was it his dog?) that fad cancer cure.  What was the abbreviation for that stuff?  (I want to say DMCA, but I know what that is)

Dave's fear of clown visitation is also a must.

Also, I know it's probably not right for this timeline (not specifically UD and too spread out in time), but the proto-ID citations Didymos has been relaying over on the UD thread would be perfect in that format.

Date: 2009/08/05 21:56:59, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 05 2009,20:03)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2009,19:36)
we've been found out!

http://www.cwfa.org/articles/921/CWA/education/index.htm

You gotta love the list of textbooks that were graded "D or F for their uncritical reliance on Darwinian theory". As if they were capable of critiquing a biology textbook. And it's truly hilarious that most of them are 1998 editions; several of those textbook authors are either dead or retired!

Perhaps we should see if FtK is on their board of directors. They do seem to have a chapter in Kansas...

I taught out of the Biology:Dynamics of Life book (I assume a slightly newer edition) a few years back.  I can see why they would have hated it.  It was thorough and unapologetic in it's history of life and evolution chapters.  It even had <shudder> a full chapter on primates and human evolution.  The saddest part of that is, I'm sure the teacher before me never taught those chapters and I'd guess from what I hear from my wife's college students that most of the rest of those books in this part of the state never got used either.

Date: 2009/08/07 22:57:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 07 2009,18:58)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 07 2009,16:20)
 
Quote (olegt @ June 30 2008,07:56)
JOEI is back online:
     
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The Journal of Evolutionary Informatics (JOEI) invites submission of manuscripts concerning theoretical and applied aspects of information phenomona [sic] in science, mathematics and engineeering. JOEI is a quarterly open access journal.

Seems like it's starting for real, so we might as well open a thread to keep an eye on its progress.  

I came across this while searching for the computer thread. It is probably time to see how JOEI is doing, no?

Prodigious output!

Just your typical IDer Money Making Opportunity...

 
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Article Processing Charges
There is a $100 per page voluntary page charge for unsponsored and peer sponsored papers. Payment or nonpayment of page charges, however, will have no impact on a paper’s status.

Buy (you way into) Our Book!

Date: 2009/08/08 14:57:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 08 2009,12:43)
My location is changing. In another couple of weeks, I will have a Florida address, somewhere in commuting distance of St. Petersburg.

It'd be a long commute, but I hear there's a lovely dinosaur-themed property available...

Date: 2009/08/11 17:39:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I'm confused.  Is Gordon complaining that Tom English threatened to report him (which we know he didn't do seriously) or is he complaining because he thinks Tom English actually did report him (which even a slow middle school student could have gleaned wasn't true from those posts)?

And as to comparisons between Banninators, I will just say this:  Clive, baby, we knew DaveTard.  DaveTard was an enemy of ours.  You, Clive, baby, are no DaveTard.

edited for more better grammarz

Date: 2009/08/11 22:20:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 11 2009,22:16)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 10 2009,20:35)
cuckoo!  cuckoo!  

   
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bornagain77
08/10/2009
8:00 pm
Hey Dr. Dembski,
Do you think I can get some credit for a grade from you to? I’ve posted at least a few hundred times on hostile sites. Shoot I even had a site set up to mock me that I had run across,,,that should count for extra credit…LOL

Evolution: Redefined- Geoff Moore and the Distance
TARD VIDEO


B^A certainly deserves some sort of degree.

Do we have to call him Dr. BA77 soon?

D^r. BA^77.

Date: 2009/08/12 22:10:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 12 2009,08:13)
hahahahahahahahahahaha  I would like to see Gordon E Mullings fight a tornado

Definitely a Pay-per-view goldmine.  We could hold it in a junkyard.  In a ring of fire made from burning strawmen soaked in the oil of ad hominem.  Two enter, one leaves.

Date: 2009/08/17 19:01:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 17 2009,17:28)
Edit: By outsourced I mean contracted out, not foreign. Brain lapse.

Just wait, the wingnuts (I love that Olbermann is calling them Death Eaters) will have a message out before morning against your Indian Death Panels.

On the plus side, I find that the call centers in India have a far higher number of English speakers than any of the local ones.  If they're going to tell me when to die, it'd be nice to hear it in proper English.  ;)

Date: 2009/08/18 18:21:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 18 2009,12:34)
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 18 2009,11:33)
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An Atheist Defends Intelligent Design
Sean McDowell

One of the most stereotypes of intelligent design (ID) is that it is an evangelical Christian movement intent upon forcing religion into the classroom.

I see Sean McDowell has a copy of How To Write Good Like What I Done, by Denyse O'Leary.

The very same book that Sarah Palin uses to help write all her memorable speeches, also too.  Thanks again Denyse.

That's it!  The reason we can't understand what Densey is on about is that she, just like Palin, is speaking in beat poetry.  Alert William Shatner.

Date: 2009/08/29 22:51:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 29 2009,22:41)
ETA: and who gives a fuck what Gordon E. Mullings of the Kairos Initiative aka GEM of TKI aka Kairosfocus aka Gordy the Bahamanian Fucktard thinks? He's a moron, and a lying dipshit who doesn't know shit from shinola.

Surely there's a difference in the amount of FCSI between the two?  Now if only we could get them to calculate it or measure it or whatever the kids are doing these days.

Date: 2009/09/02 17:58:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 02 2009,10:58)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 01 2009,17:05)
Joe G is the Ted Nugent of Intelligent Design, i decided

Indeed.  And chunkdz is the Ted Haggard.

Doesn't that KF (aka Gordon Mullings) the Ted Kaczynski of ID?  It would certainly explain the manifesto-sized posts.

Date: 2009/09/08 16:58:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (silverspoon @ Sep. 08 2009,16:07)
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 07 2009,21:08)
If? Well, 4004 + 2009 - 1 = 6012.

Henry

Paraphrasing a long lost but not forgotten  poster here:
6,000  or 4.5 billion years, it’s hard to tell the difference with all that candle wax on the cake

At 4.5 billion candles, I'm guessing it would resemble a pyroclastic flow.

Date: 2009/09/10 17:14:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Sep. 10 2009,15:41)
It's going to be AFDave Lite.  At best.

Same great TARD taste.  Only half the brain damage?

Date: 2009/09/14 18:02:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Sep. 14 2009,06:27)
Enough with the mea culpa's, Squirrel Boy! I for one Deadman am perfectly happy with what you did. We haven't had a creationist chum for a while here. Granted, new, exciting, less wilfully stupid and obstinate creationist chums are always preferred to old, dull, arse-quakingly reliant on quote mining, and stubbornly unintelligent creationist chums, but hey, when life gives you stupid fucking lemons, you make stupid fucking lemonade.

Ah the Holy Grail of in the search for creationist chums.  Sadly, I believe it is as hard to find as working cold fusion, Bigfoot, cars that fly, and Dembski's honor.  But I guess we can dream...

Date: 2009/09/22 17:48:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 22 2009,17:23)
I'm sure the FBI and the Morris PD are very interested in investigating 'blasphemy', tho.  :O

I'm sure the Morris PD can round up the usual suspect.

Morris PD: Dr. Myers have you been blaspheming again?

PZ:  Yes.

Morris PD:  Righto, just checking.

What fascinates me is that the kooks all think they're the first ones to notice PZ is an atheist.  Because no one else has clued in the university or the local authorities to this imminent danger.

Date: 2009/09/24 17:07:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I had a student pose this question to me today:

"If we're evolving, how come we still drive cars?"

That's the Waterloo we've all known was coming I'm afraid.  We can shut down the site now.  Someone PM Jerry and tell him not to tease the the victors over at UD.

Date: 2009/09/24 17:09:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 24 2009,13:28)
Well, there's the FL Debate thread. He says he believes the Flood happened, but he posted one article that showed why the Flood can't be local, and another that showed why it can't be global. What's left?

Henry

A flood that thinks globally, but acts locally?

Date: 2009/09/24 21:45:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (bfish @ Sep. 24 2009,18:18)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 24 2009,15:07)
I had a student pose this question to me today:

"If we're evolving, how come we still drive cars?"

And how long did you sit there with a stupefied look on your face before you thought of something to say?

Long enough for the bell to ring.  I may still be sitting there and all this may just be part of a psychotic break.  It would certainly explain some of the things I've seen here in the toilet.

Date: 2009/09/24 21:49:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 24 2009,20:08)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Sep. 24 2009,19:58)
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 24 2009,19:33)
 
Quote (deadman_932 @ Sep. 24 2009,18:47)
   
Quote (Maya @ Sep. 24 2009,18:07)
 
If only you could have put him in a . . . thingy.  Darn, right on the tip of my tongue.  A . . . wossname, holds stuff tight . . . .

Speedo? Prevert.

Sure, this time you guys don't have a picture.

ETA: No, I don't mean of Dembski.  Or Davey.

Ask and ye shall receive. Christmas comes early for Maya:

Ho, Ho, Ho, Bay-beee

Note to self:  No more posting on AtBC on Thursday Margarita night.

Trust me, it doesn't get any better on Saturday moonshine night or on Tuesday vanilla extract night.

Date: 2009/10/07 17:56:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 07 2009,16:38)
If you search google news for "Dembski" the third result is a College newspaper: Bistro opens at BCF
     
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Senses came alive and mouths began to water as students entered the Coffee Shop at The Baptist College of Florida in Graceville where a new eatery called the Bistro just opened.

Located just inside the Student Center, the new addition provides an array of fresh deli food options with unbeatable low prices.

BCF students and Bistro guests now have the opportunity to choose from a wide variety of sandwich selections, to include fresh baked bread, wraps, as well as sliced meats, vegetables, cheeses, and desserts for a healthy “anytime” meal.

Since the school cafeteria is not available on weekends, the Bistro offers a whole new level of convenience for BCF students. “I think it’s cool that they have a place for food (to be served) on the weekends,” stated BCF sophomore Donald Files. “I no longer have to run to the grocery store to purchase food now that they offer it on campus.”

For more information on the Bistro and other BCF news, please call (850) 263-3261 or visit the website at baptistcollege.edu.

And not a mention of Dembski to be seen.

I think this is evidence that teh google is becoming sentient.

And this is also worth a laugh:Link

The first step in Dembski's plan to start up a new cafeteria and declare war on Baylor?

Date: 2009/10/07 18:03:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 07 2009,14:41)
ETA: I'm also homing in on my 5000th post, which is far too many.

Dare we hope for the traditional Tardologue commemorating the event?

Date: 2009/10/08 22:05:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 08 2009,18:38)
What the..?!? Why are you damned Euros all drinking avocados and wearing pasties?  And why does "avocat" and spanish "abogado" sound like an avocado? Do they expect some damn fruit to become a lawyer over there? Never mind, don't answer that, you'll probably show me some fat european lawyer in a speedo smeared in avocados and wearing pasties.

Frankly, you Europeans should be ashamed of yourselves.

Wildly off-topic, but y'all have broken the chew toy anyway...

I had a student a few years back who simply couldn't prevent herself from calling 6.022*10^23 Avocado's number.  I always had to suppress a giggle.

Date: 2009/10/09 21:26:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Oct. 09 2009,11:40)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 08 2009,22:05)
Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 08 2009,18:38)
What the..?!? Why are you damned Euros all drinking avocados and wearing pasties?  And why does "avocat" and spanish "abogado" sound like an avocado? Do they expect some damn fruit to become a lawyer over there? Never mind, don't answer that, you'll probably show me some fat european lawyer in a speedo smeared in avocados and wearing pasties.

Frankly, you Europeans should be ashamed of yourselves.

Wildly off-topic, but y'all have broken the chew toy anyway...

I had a student a few years back who simply couldn't prevent herself from calling 6.022*10^23 Avocado's number.  I always had to suppress a giggle.

Avocado's number is a guaca-mole.

Consider that stolen.  :)

Date: 2009/10/13 17:50:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 13 2009,13:13)
After teaching science for five years in Texas... it's not really the kids fault, it's the dumb*ss school board members and State Board of Education.

Two years ago, I had a 'talking to' from my principle about teaching evolution (in Biology Class!).  I had to explain to her that evolution is one of the science standards that we are required by law to teach.

It is really depressing.

<waves hi from the Piney Woods>

The same thing happened to me.  The principal was more trying to avoid flak from the parents than actually disagreeing with me, but that's exactly the type of cowardice that makes our jobs harder.  That made it much easier for me to change schools the next year.

Date: 2009/10/13 20:16:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I've been in a couple of the smaller districts in the Lufkin area.  There's quite a bit of lazy creationist teaching (really nothing more sophisticated than evolution=atheist, I didn't come from no monkey) going on a home/church, but quite a few of the kids have aha moments when they finally get to see actual evidence.  My favorite reaction is when they realize I'm not just saying we're related to apes, but to fish and bacteria even further back.

Date: 2009/10/15 17:28:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 15 2009,12:34)
The paper concerned me too, as it was really not my best work. I got an A anyway, though. It was on the symbolism of the keys in Chekov's play, The Cherry Orchard. I'll post it to Crowded Head later, but for now I have to run off to a Zo study session. Exam tomorrow morning on Platyhelminthes, Nematoda, Rotifera, and Mollusca.

Lou, if you wanted a great paper on The Cherry Orchard you should have used this refernce: The Cherry Orchard

Is that the guys from UD or what?

Date: 2009/10/15 21:26:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 15 2009,20:08)
Texas Teach:

Did you frequent the CARM board with Piokilotherm, Q and others?  If so, did you use another name?

No, I wandered here from the Thumb, but never posted there.  I lurked here for quite a while thinking I couldn't possibly match the fisking skills or the humor (or in Louis's case humour) of the regulars.  Then one day Rich got lonely because nobody loved him and asked all the lurkers to come out and play.  (I may be misremembering some of the details ;) ).

Date: 2009/10/15 21:35:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 15 2009,21:31)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 15 2009,21:13)
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it would be nice to "help drive a wedge" between those who want to use the good Dr. Dr. I can use Phillip as well.


It would be nice, but it's about as easy as driving a wedge between two parts of an oil slick.

"Oil slick " is appropriate when referring to the oleaginous P. Johnson. In the middle of this interview  ( http://rnaworld.bio.ku.edu/ID-intro/cast/johnson/johnson.htm )  he really shows how duplicitous and weaselly he can be when directly confronted with the YEC question.

I get denying you're a creationist when you want to pretend to be doing science.  What I don't get is denying being a YEC to other creationists.  Doesn't this show a certain amount of awareness that you position is ridiculous, even to other creationists?

Date: 2009/10/15 21:37:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 15 2009,21:36)
Asteroids are not rubber balls.

Henry

Were you there?

Date: 2009/10/17 19:54:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 17 2009,18:56)
Quote (didymos @ Oct. 17 2009,19:54)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 17 2009,16:49)
I think we have a loki troll.

Hadn't occurred to me, but now that you mention it...

It's so hard to tell anymore, though, because no matter how fucking insane you make the parody, it's still not as insane as the real deal.

I don't know.  GoP's use of sweaty wrestlers to prove geocentrism might have exceeded that upper bound.

Date: 2009/10/17 20:12:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 17 2009,19:57)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 17 2009,20:54)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 17 2009,18:56)
 
Quote (didymos @ Oct. 17 2009,19:54)
   
Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 17 2009,16:49)
I think we have a loki troll.

Hadn't occurred to me, but now that you mention it...

It's so hard to tell anymore, though, because no matter how fucking insane you make the parody, it's still not as insane as the real deal.

I don't know.  GoP's use of sweaty wrestlers to prove geocentrism might have exceeded that upper bound.

You're not a regular at FSTDT then, I take it?

After reading the quote about NASA finding a missing day (WTF? How would that even work?), I retract my previous post.  I'm going to go stare at Lou's picture of heaven until my mind is cleansed.

ETA: lol at Dr. GH

Date: 2009/10/18 14:30:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,13:30)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 18 2009,08:17)
Knowing that any draw of a red marble (cracked or not) increases the probability that our cracked-blue hypothesis is correct to an equal degree, and having time to kill, we proceed to draw only red marbles... With every removal our excitement grows, as with each (per the logic above) it is becoming more likely that all blue marbles are cracked.

Another wild night at Reciprocating Bill's place.


 
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Jaynes argues that the general premise "A case of an hypothesis supports the hypothesis" is false.

That strikes me as absurd.  Does Jaynes really think that observing one hard diamond after another doesn't strengthen the hypothesis that all diamonds are hard?

Must resist joke...

Date: 2009/10/21 16:59:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 20 2009,21:49)
Well, what if instead of that he's mourning the loss of time spent doing all that posting? :p

Henry

Or perhaps he's pining for the fjords?

Date: 2009/10/23 18:08:28, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ Oct. 23 2009,01:36)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 22 2009,23:19)
BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently?

Well, he's not dead.  His crappy blog has an October 22nd entry.  He was bitching about gay rights being a neo-colonial imposition or something:

 
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In short, the UK MPs in question hope to use colonial power to impose on unwilling Caribbean people of Judaeo-Christian heritage the novelty of so-called same-sex marriage, which is both repugnant to the overwhelming majority of the peoples of the Caribbean and which is credibly destructive to family life, the provision of a safe and stable environment for the nurture of children and corrupting of public order in general.


I'm sure he feels the same way about dressing "slutty" in court.

Wasn't that Judaeo-Christian heritage originally given to the locals via colonial power?

Date: 2009/10/25 22:51:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Clownshoes:  It does not say "preservation scenes" plural, but singular "preservation scene." A preservation scene on the "soft, level seafloor." This points to a one time burial event--not "..periodic storm-induced turbidity flows." These animals were covered simultaneously and quickly on the seafloor by a one time "turbidity flow."

Occam's:  That would be seen, not scene.

Clownshoes:  Nevermind.

Date: 2009/10/27 18:18:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Oct. 27 2009,18:06)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 27 2009,18:40)
StephenB:
 
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The atheist life ethic may be summed up as follows: When we want them, babies may live; when we don’t want them, they must die.

So no "believer" has ever had an abortion? According to StephenB I guess not.

Anybody fancy asking him? I've not been able to stand the stink over there lately...

Abortion is one of the most common medical procedures in the USA. Lying cretins try to ban abortion while they have them.

By the numbers, it's either that or not only are we being atheists on a daily basis, we are also having multiple abortions each day too.

Date: 2009/10/27 20:15:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JLT @ Oct. 27 2009,18:26)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 28 2009,00:18)
   
Quote (khan @ Oct. 27 2009,18:06)
   
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 27 2009,18:40)
StephenB:
       
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The atheist life ethic may be summed up as follows: When we want them, babies may live; when we don’t want them, they must die.

So no "believer" has ever had an abortion? According to StephenB I guess not.

Anybody fancy asking him? I've not been able to stand the stink over there lately...

Abortion is one of the most common medical procedures in the USA. Lying cretins try to ban abortion while they have them.

By the numbers, it's either that or not only are we being atheists on a daily basis, we are also having multiple abortions each day too.

Female and male atheists...

To those who suggest that is nonsensical, I offer the following wisdom:

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Judith: [on Stan's desire to be a mother] Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.
Reg: What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.

Date: 2009/10/30 23:06:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (MichaelJ @ Oct. 30 2009,22:59)
Quote (MichaelJ @ Oct. 31 2009,13:54)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 31 2009,12:48)
Here is a complete list of publications of Gil "the professional scientist" Dodgen (according to ISI Web of Science):

[1] E. Trice and G. Dodgen, The perfect 7-piece checkers database, ICGA Journal 26, 229-238 (2003).  Abstract.

That's actually not that bad by ID standards.

Second billing too.

For my mechanical engineering thesis, I pretty much just wrote a program around an algorithm that somebody else developed. As Gil doesn't seem to have a clue about anything really, I wonder if this is the case here -- somebody came up with the method and told Gil to code it.

And the equally important question: Was he wearing a frilly shirt while he did it?

Date: 2009/10/31 22:48:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sledgehammer @ Oct. 31 2009,17:55)
Wow.  I just listened to VD's radio interview here  It's the first time I've ever heard him speak.

 I actually felt embarrassment for the arrogant little prick.  He sounds like a frikken squeaky-voiced teenager.  His dialog was filled with errs, umms, likes, y'knows, and the other verbal tics of someone who can't think "on his feet".
The most embarrassing moment came when he was talking about his predictions for the upcoming Great Depression [tm]
   
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You can expect to see lots of umm, economic stuff, like, y'know, defaults and things.

Cracked me up.  He certainly didn't sound anything like a self-described "Internet Superintelligence" to me.  I wonder who his ghost writer is. Maybe spacebunny?

DaveTard?

Date: 2009/11/02 20:08:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 02 2009,18:17)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 02 2009,16:52)
A little exchange that brought a smile to my face.
   
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(BA dribbles 6.3 billion words)

Frost122585
     
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Bornagain,

Those were two very good posts, but the two longest posts I have seen.

BA77      
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Frost, sorry about the length, but the evidence against human evolution is so voluminous it is hard to get it condensed,,, The funny thing is I could have gone much further.

Somehow I picture this as a conversation between two little boys - so cute.

If only someone could set up a post-off between BA^77 and Gordo Mullings...

I'm not sure there are enough electrons in the visible universe...

Date: 2009/11/05 17:52:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 05 2009,05:43)
Enjoy JoeG while you can.  He's decided that Hydrogen Peroxide will prevent Swine Flu:    
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Swine Flu (H1N1) Vs. H2O2
OK flu season is here.

I am not going to get a flu vaccine but will rely on the science that says that the virus cannot live in an oxygenated environment.

However this means that I have to try to get back on track with my H2O2 intake.

I need to drink it 3 times a day however I have only been drinking it in the morning.

Now my wife is against this because she thinks that I will get the flu and pass it onto them. However the rest of my family are getting the vaccine(s), so they should be covered.

I have already been adding H2O2 to all the humidifiers in the house. This protocol has seemed to help keep us healthy- it only takes 2 oz of 35% food grade H2O2 per gallon of distilled water to keep your air clean from viruses.


Stay tuned...
posted by Joe G @ 7:26 AM

Link

P.S. If I were a right-wing screwball, I could also say that JoeG also has a drinking problem.

If Joe wants to have more oxygen in his family's air, he should stop consuming it.  Just hold your breath, Joe.  You can start breathing again when flu season is over.

edited to add more better grammar

Date: 2009/11/11 16:57:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 11 2009,08:17)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 11 2009,03:13)
It is a well-known result in neurology that certain forms of frontal lobe damage lead to perseverative behavior patterns.

So? Lobotomy?

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

Date: 2009/11/16 17:41:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2009,15:12)
Well, back when I actually socked over there, my favorite moment was, when the some of the contributors over there were deciding that Poachy, who was me, was a troll, I threw them off the scent by outing Leo Stotch as a troll. Of course, Leo was also another one of my socks.

Poachy gets my vote for the best sock ever.  Followed by whomever it was that actually convinced them he was a satanist ID supporter and actually lasted a good while.

Of course, this all has to be recalculated when/if Ras finally admits he's Jerry.

Date: 2009/11/16 20:05:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 16 2009,19:43)
Quote (RDK @ Nov. 16 2009,19:37)
I suggest that everyone who's interested should go to UD and start making weird socks, with barely coherent viewpoints, except posing as supporters of ID.  Someone can be "the journalist", another can be "the lawyer", and another "the mathematician", and then just start throwing around random criticisms at the various Powers That Be.

I've already begun the Great Work, but I fear that I shall soon be overwhelmed unless we implement a full sock task-force in there to usher in the final blow.

I think this has already been going on now for @ 3 years...

Post of the Week.

Date: 2009/11/17 17:46:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Since he's not here to do it for himself, we should take a moment to honor SteveStory for starting the original Uncommonly Dense thread.  One wonders if it took a rare genius to begin thread that became the heart and soul of this board, or if it was inevitable that someone would create that thread and Steve was simply in the right place at the right time.

Date: 2009/11/19 17:34:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 19 2009,09:26)
Let me ask this... why does a marsupial wolf (Tasmanian wolf) and a mammal wolf (grey wolf) have different numbers and types of teeth?  Yet, the marsupial wolf has the same type and number of teeth as other marsupials and the mammal wolf has the same type and number of teeth as other mammals.

Please explain.

What I find fascinating about this point is that Robert obviously believes in a huge amount of micro-evolution.  It encompasses changes in numbers and types of teeth, massive changes to the reproductive system, etc.  However, Robert denies his turbo-charged micro-evolution, which can do all those things, can lead to the relatively minor by comparison transition between humans and other apes.

Date: 2009/11/19 17:39:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reed @ Nov. 19 2009,17:30)
Quote (Quack @ Nov. 19 2009,03:17)
Robert, what about dogs? The dog was domesticated from wolves about ten thousand years ago. From that we have been able to breed very may different dogs and according to your methodology they cannot all be dogs. So Grand Danois and Chihuahua are different species, created by man? How could that be possible?

Heck, if marsupialism is just a product of the environment, how come no one has managed to breed a marsupial dog ?

Maybe dingoes ate the babies?

All week.  Waitress. Veal.

Date: 2009/11/19 17:41:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Nov. 19 2009,16:09)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 19 2009,16:51)
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2009/11/overselling-swine-flue.html

A comment:

 
Quote
Verlch    11/19/09 3:25 PM
I heard a rumor that there is RFID technology, or nano technology in the swine flu vaccine. If their goal is world domination, what better way than to implant a chip to track man's every movement. We know a lot of things will be forced on us. The nano technology will be easily picked up by the readers I'm sure, in stores, and wherever else they are installed to track our every movement.

World Government might want to know where those pesky Christians, atheists and God fearing Jews are, so they can round them up and reeducate them to serve the godless system. Well there will be one mini god, the anti christ who will demand worship. (Anybody seen Obowma lately? Is he worshiping these leaders?)

Recently a movie on You Tube talked about how verichip now admits they want to tie in the implant to the banking system. They even bought a company like "life (suckers) lock" to safe guard against fraud. Well we figured as much, that the buying and selling aspect of the chip was coming. Just not this fast.

Anyways wake up folks, keep your ears to the tracks and lets share information so that this day doesn't sneak up on us like a thief in the night.


HMMM.

That is some serious fucking stupid shit. Has this stupid one ever seen the size of a tracking chip? And how will this chip be administered via the inhaled version?

Painfully?

Date: 2009/11/20 15:28:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 20 2009,12:21)
Lou's web caught many flies.

I think they make a cream for that now.

Date: 2009/12/03 18:02:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Won't someone take pity on Robert and show how similar placentals and marsupials are using coloring book pictures?

Date: 2009/12/04 22:48:34, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 04 2009,14:44)
Y'all know where this "inquiry" is head, dontcha.

An A in the DrDr's class?

Date: 2009/12/11 21:30:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Dec. 11 2009,19:03)
Quote (Reed @ Dec. 11 2009,15:52)
Quote (Robert Byers @ Dec. 11 2009,00:44)
 
Well its on the merits of the case and not your judgement of my abilities.

Your "case" consists entirely of saying "I think they look the same and I think this is important". This is a level of argument that would warrant an F in a high school science assignment, never mind overturning the last 200+ years of actual science.

Now, that's not completely fair.  His case also has "they are named similarly, so they are related."  Got to give him credit where credit is due.

So would Robert say that horse flies belong in horse "kind" or fly "kind"?  Are sea cucumbers part of cucumber "kind"?  Inquiring minds want to know...

Date: 2009/12/15 17:55:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Dec. 15 2009,16:02)
Quote (Reed @ Dec. 15 2009,16:56)
Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 15 2009,13:41)
I do not see how marsupial reproduction would ever be an adaptation to an environment by previously placental species.

It's also worth noting that some imported placentals have been extremely successful in Australia, at the expense of the natives. There is good evidence that dingos have been there for what is, according to Robert, almost the age of the earth. Certainly since Teh Flud. Yet strangely they show no signs of becoming marsupial!

Later introduced species like rabbits also do quite well.

Roberts "theory" isn't not just fractally wrong, it's fractally stupid. No matter what direction or scale you look at it, you find more stupid.

Are cane toads becoming marsupial?

Licking toads might be an explanation for Robert's assertions.

Date: 2009/12/30 13:35:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Art @ Dec. 30 2009,07:47)
Classic Mung[/URL] (scroll down to post 7640117):

   
Quote
I posted some material that explained where at least some of the water in the cell comes from. Did you read it?

Hint: It doesn't come from sea water.

While I appreciate your efforts, you seem to be missing the point on a number of issues.

The water in cells does not, afaik, come from water in the surrounding environment. Nor does it come from stars. (What was the purpose of that post?) It is produced as the result of certain specific biochemical reactions.


(I've bolded the incredible part.)  This statement came from his/her reading of something about intermediary metabolism, electron transport, and respiration.

Maybe those topnotch empiricists over at UD could try to test that hypothesis.  All of them should stop ingesting water for a week and see what happens.

Date: 2010/01/02 12:52:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ Jan. 02 2010,11:37)
 
Quote (socle @ Jan. 02 2010,09:46)
Uh-oh, shit just got real:
     
Quote
I challenge Zachriel to a debate- we each put up $10,000 USD- we get a panel of referees (the loser also pays for the refs and the venue) and have it out.


Everyone knows the only accepted currency for online debates is quatloos.

Maybe Joseph could get Dembski to recommend a good bottle of Scotch to wager?

Date: 2010/01/02 18:10:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 02 2010,17:38)
I think $30 is about the same as EUR 20, right?

According to Joseph's taxonomy a dollar is a dollar and a euro is a euro; therefore, Jesus.

According to Byers' taxonomy euros and gyros are more related than euros and dollars because they sound more alike.

Denyse will gladly take payment in euros, dollars, or gyros as long as you buy her book.





Date: 2010/01/03 18:47:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ Jan. 02 2010,22:38)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 02 2010,18:10)
 
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 02 2010,17:38)
I think $30 is about the same as EUR 20, right?

According to Joseph's taxonomy a dollar is a dollar and a euro is a euro; therefore, Jesus.

According to Byers' taxonomy euros and gyros are more related than euros and dollars because they sound more alike.

Denyse will gladly take payment in euros, dollars, or gyros as long as you buy her book.


That's PoTW, I tell you what.


You like me.  You really like me. [/Sally Fields]

Date: 2010/01/04 18:11:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (csadams @ Jan. 04 2010,06:54)
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Jan. 03 2010,17:08)
Is Luskin really this stupid? ERV's are evidence for common descent because of their supposed lack of function?

WTF, man?

I've only seen brainless creationists spew such nonsense and apparent straw men.

Oh, I get it now.

Luskin has this thing about ERVs.

Cue RichTard and his ERV pic in 3...2...1...

Date: 2010/01/09 23:06:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (tsig @ Jan. 09 2010,19:44)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 09 2010,00:06)
Quote (Reed @ Jan. 08 2010,23:03)
   
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 08 2010,14:56)
From Josh at SciBlogs - Bill Dembski Friday Meltdown!

Dembski Kisses Jesus Out Loud

Oh that is gold. So is this bit from the review:
       
Quote
That Patterson has tolerated [Dembskis] views while terminating the employment of another prof who believed in “speaking in tongues” is the source of my puzzlement.

Hold on, that might explain a thing or two about UD... Are we sure Dr Dr D isn't speaking in tongues ? I don't doubt O'Leary writes in them!

Remember a few decades ago when the ultra-right wingers like Patterson took over the Southern Baptist seminaries and fired everybody to the left of the Ku Klux Klan?  If this tardgasm blows up into another right wing Baptist witch hunt and Dembski gets Expelled from Southwest Bible and Barbeque for being too liberal, I am going to seriously laugh my ass off.  I mean rolling on the floor, holding my sides, tears coming out of my eyes, laughing so hard I can't stand up, straining to draw a fresh breath of air style laughing my ass off.

Thank God It's Friday!!1!11!!

I wonder how Pres Patterson of the SW Bible and Barbecue School would react to a rain of email complaining about Billy's orthodoxy? Hummmmmm

It would also be fun to have the UD denizens go over there and start a holy war with the YECs in Dembski's defense.  Someone with a sock want to give them a nudge?

Date: 2010/01/11 17:31:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Albatrossity--Get better soon or we will be forced to send a parade of increasingly annoying creationists to hurry you along.  We have GEM of TKI set for day 5, and he has a few words he'd like to share with you...

Louis--Good to know you're ok as well.  You are missed*

*Mostly by Arden and Carlson's mom**
**Who we hear are very happy together

Date: 2010/01/11 17:56:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 10 2010,19:10)
People have been arguing that Darwin got a raw deal in the way PE was presented for quite some time.

Freshmen students (played here by the Church Burnin' Ebola Boys):  We just thought of something really clever about creationists/ism.

Professor (played by Wesley):  I actually said that quite some while ago.  You didn't do the assigned reading last night did you?

Students/CBEBs:  <look down at floor, shuffle feet> No.

Date: 2010/01/13 17:13:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 13 2010,16:20)
Maybe sombody from SW Seminary school (The Demon Designers) trying to pump up their grade for a Dr. Dr. Dembski taught class?  

I give them a D.  A D for Dembski, and another D for dumb.

Now if they can just get a couple of "r"s they can teach classes at East Jesus CC.

Date: 2010/01/14 17:53:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 13 2010,22:30)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 13 2010,21:54)
Gil shows off his crown of thorns:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-345336

 
Quote
My father named me after Gilbert Newton Lewis, the great chemist with whom my father worked during WWII on the Manhattan Project.
I get the impression that Gil thinks he would be nothing without his father. WWII, Manhattan Project. Compare this to throwing some cargo out of a plane. Even if one describes it is precision air dropping it appears negligeable compared to the atom bomb. Poor guy.

My hypothesis involves exposure to radiation and mutated gametes.

Date: 2010/01/15 17:02:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2010,16:21)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 15 2010,17:08)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2010,16:00)
So apparently, invoking Marvin's Uranium 238 Space Modulator as a possible source of error in a busted Chemistry experiment is frowned upon in lab notebooks.

...just a Public Service Announcement.

Well, duh.  There is no such thing as a Uranium 238 Space Modulator.  You should have blamed it on a Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

I'm afraid the passage of time combined with my ongoing troubles with the Martian accent may be to blame here.

ETA: Possibly also the exposure to radiation during the experiment.

Out of curiosity, what chemistry experiment did it break?

Broken experiments remind me of one of my favorite pieces of the wisdom of Homer J. Simpson:

Quote
Don't worry, boy.  I'm sure Einstein turned himself all sorts of colors before he invented the light bulb.

Date: 2010/01/16 08:36:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 15 2010,23:18)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 15 2010,18:02)
Out of curiosity, what chemistry experiment did it break?

Broken experiments remind me of one of my favorite pieces of the wisdom of Homer J. Simpson:

 
Quote
Don't worry, boy.  I'm sure Einstein turned himself all sorts of colors before he invented the light bulb.

We were reviewing gas laws, so we were doing a redox of Magnesium solid and Hydrochloric acid to capture and calculate the H2 gas given off.

I listed the first possible (and most probable) source of error as introduction of air into the eudiometer tube via operator error on the new and unfamiliar style of turkey baster. (We wound up with 109%, 105%, and 85% yields for our three trials.)

The second possible source of error I listed was contamination of the magnesium metal, which would throw off the calculations. I mentioned in passing the possibility that the metal sample wasn't magnesium at all, but part of Marvin's Space Modulator.

I still vividly remember doing that experiment as an undergrad.  The thing that struck me was that we had to adjust all of our volume measurements because the graduated cylinder we were using to collect the gas was upside down and its graduations were calibrated to account for a meniscus facing the other direction.  It had never occurred to me before how much design(!) goes into making even simple lab equipment.

Date: 2010/01/17 15:49:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Jkrebs @ Jan. 17 2010,15:19)
I wonder how Clive has matched up the old and new socks?  ID detection?

I don't know about matching, but I'm fairly certain he knew they were socks thanks to IQ detection.

ETA verbs!

Date: 2010/01/18 18:30:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,14:08)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 18 2010,13:57)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 18 2010,13:49)
I know you guys are busy but is there any way we could get a site-meter type thing, I've always wondered what the readership (of AtBC in particular) is.

Sounds like a good idea. I'll put it on the "to-do" list.

Thanks Wes. I know there are few plug-ins so hopefully it's not too hard. You've done well resisting the urge to monetize the website..

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.antievolution.org

But, really, who can put a price on the vast cultural archive that is the UD threads.  Some historian/archaeologist will thank Wes some day.*



*Probably not with cash, but you never know.

Date: 2010/01/18 18:32:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 18 2010,16:31)
I want to hear more - and see the pictures - of Shroedinger's Dog and Katarina's vacations...

It's World Peace breaking out - Dogs & Cats, Frenchies and Frauleins vactioning together!

And trying to get a Welshman like Louis to come join them...

Date: 2010/01/19 17:16:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 19 2010,07:17)
   
Quote (fusilier @ Jan. 19 2010,08:11)
It's like a Dr. Bronner's bottle with wheels.

(Not to mention terrible grammar, worse spelling, illegible typography, and no imagination whatsoever.)

I like the big ol' "USA" on the tire.

That's teh awesome.

Don't tread on me?

 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 19 2010,07:10)
Dear Timeh,

The timing isn't all that precise. You'd know that if you nutters would stop interfering with education.

Or just ask my wife.

Audience, veal, waitress, etc.

Date: 2010/01/21 21:33:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Jan. 21 2010,18:21)
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 21 2010,17:01)
afarensis,
 
Quote
You keep saying that there are thousands of points of similarity between marsupial and placental wolves. Please do enlighten us and name, say, a couple hundred. Heck, 50 will do, name 50.

Well of course there are - they're both mammals, so anything shared by all mammals will be a point of similarity. :)

Henry

As I pointed out, there are native placentals in Australia as well as the marsupials.  Not sure why that is if marsupialism is a god-gift for rapid reproduction, but what the heck.  Bobby could use them as a comparison.  Hell, just compare Kangaroos and rats - they share a common link via kangaroo rats - an intermediate species, perhaps.  Maybe they are half-marsupial?  In any case, I'm betting we don't see any list of common features, unless it's like this:

1. hair
2. eyes
3. legs
4. bones
5. blood
50. They look the same!!!!!

I think afdave gave us a list something like that in regards to archeopteryx and why it was either a bird or a reptile (I can't remember which he thought it was), but not transitional.  Someone with more google-fu than I might be able to find it...

Date: 2010/01/22 22:41:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 22 2010,21:12)
Just in: Eating right and exercise(?) solve all health problems!!!

JoeTard, MD

Quote
If people eat right and take care of themselves then health care won't be an issue.

Do you guys still have some of that Ebola you're known for in stock?  I think we should let Joe test his hypothesis.

Date: 2010/01/26 17:26:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Jan. 25 2010,20:45)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 25 2010,18:38)
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 25 2010,18:23)
Of note is that chunkdz feels the need to respond...

But not here, one notes.

Maybe if we gave some homoerotic economics stories?

There's no way we could come up with a strong homoerotic lure than Bilbo's dancing story.

Date: 2010/01/27 16:58:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (RDK @ Jan. 27 2010,11:51)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Jan. 26 2010,20:57)

And elsewhere Clivebaby provides:        
Quote
Seversky,

       
Quote
   For creationists there is a very big problem. Think about it. If we find one other planet with life, especially if that life has reached a similar stage of development, then we are no longer unique. If we find many other life -bearing planets then we are not even special. It then becomes a lot harder to justify the claim that we are God’s chosen people or special favorite.


Quantity doesn’t negate quality. You cannot assume as fact a notion of quality by virtue of a quantity.

SLAVE TRADE....IN SPACE!

THE MOVIE

Dr. Clive: "Go ahead and dissect the specimen at the basal ganglia."

Ensign Borne: "But sir, isn't using extraterrestrial lifeforms as a means to our own ends a tad bit unethical?"

Dr. Clive: "Of course not, ensign; we are God's favorites."

*STRIKES HEROIC POSE*

I hear Zap Brannigan as the voice of Clive...

Date: 2010/01/28 17:12:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 28 2010,16:08)
OT: Tomorrow I'm going to the Oxford University Museum. I'll post some pictures... :)

I think they frown on that sort of thing.  It tends to obscure the exhibits.

Date: 2010/02/02 20:15:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 02 2010,19:05)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 02 2010,16:53)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 03 2010,09:32)
Making StephenB a poster at UD is the best thing they've done for TARD production in a long time!

Leave it to Frostyboy to bring his own special level of dumb to the METHODOLOGICAL...thread. Sample tidbit:
     
Quote
ANd in your buglar anology it is important to note that only the burgalr has the ability to produce vast amounts of specified complxity. The tornado would have a lot fo touble putting together useful purposeful tools by chance while moving through a junk yard- but the man has the potential to make many specified combinations. And the division of mathematics which is called combinatorics sheds a light on the magnitude of how improbable the effects of true SC intelligence are- hence the complexity of the human brain is alone extremely complex- but what it can actually do makes it even more so. Hence the notion that an ape and a man can both swing a golf club sharing man of the same genes and complexity from the physical standpoint- but only the man has a chance of making a hole in one- say every 50 thousand shots while the ape may never make one. Ever.


Heh - I've just noticed that after two attempts to spell burglar Frosty's given up and opted for the easier-to-spell man and ape.

If anyone from UD is out there (hellooo, UDers!), this is a fine example of how we test hypotheses, out here in the real world.

Hypothesis: Denyse O'Leary writes the worst sentences in the world.

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Hence the notion that an ape and a man can both swing a golf club sharing man of the same genes and complexity from the physical standpoint- but only the man has a chance of making a hole in one- say every 50 thousand shots while the ape may never make one.


Falsified.

That hardly seems fair.  StephenB gets that lucky shot, but Denyse has been writing the world's worst sentences (and paragraphs) for years.  StephenB hit a grand slam, but O'Leary is Babe Ruth.

Date: 2010/02/03 18:30:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 03 2010,06:09)
Quote (Robert Byers @ Feb. 03 2010,03:54)
If its cat-like it could be like a gannet or fossa or any other type of these creatures.

quoll



gannet



fossa



Yep, they sure look the same to me. The scales have been lifted from my eyes!

Can I get the one without the gannet?  I don't like them.  They wet their nests.

Date: 2010/02/10 17:59:34, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 10 2010,16:44)
Now, I've been accused (or blessed as the case may be) of possessing unnaturally powerful animal magnetism (the stories I could tell you about delivering pizzas ... ) but "natural vitalism?"

Were you Lenny Flank's delivery boy?  If so, do you have any special insights into theology?

Date: 2010/02/21 15:59:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote
Dr. Provine is one of the world’s preeminent spokesmen for evolution.  On a popular level, he is perhaps best known for his interview in Ben Stein’s documentary, “EXPELLED:  No Intelligence Allowed”.


If your fame depends on something you did in Expelled, you might as well be in the witness protection program.

Date: 2010/02/23 17:37:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 23 2010,17:18)
Clive (hi!)- Incoherence - ur doing it right:        
Quote
Toronto,

Nonsense is not a limit, God can do anything, nonsense is not a thing.

Despite working with her for some time, Clive seems to have overlooked Denyse in that analysis.

Date: 2010/02/25 18:06:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:47)
Quote (ppb @ Feb. 24 2010,10:36)
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,11:31)
Too bad evolution by natural selection hasn't been shown to do very much.

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

In what way?  Where is the research to support baraminology?

All experiments and observations support baraminology.

There isn't any experiments that support universal common descent via an accumulation of genetic accidents.

All your experiments are belong to us.

Date: 2010/02/27 22:32:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 27 2010,20:26)
Quote (ck1 @ Feb. 27 2010,12:07)
Quote
. . . And while the board apparently won't take up intelligent design, several members expect a battle over how evolution is treated in science textbooks, although that won't be up for debate until 2011. Mr. McLeroy and others say they'll push for books to include a more thorough examination of weaknesses in the theory of evolution.


Do these people ever provide a list of the "weaknesses" of the ToE they wish to include in science classes?

The people involved don't know anything about science.  All they know is that "evilution = hate jeebus"

I encounter that quite a bit with my students.  They really haven't been taught creationism; you rarely get more than a "why are there still monkeys?" argument on the details.  They've just been taught that it's Jesus or evolution, and since they know nothing about evolution, it's an easy choice for them to make.

Date: 2010/03/01 21:34:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
To illustrate what we're up against:

A student asked me today if you could fly high enough into the sky to reach heaven.  The student was 16.  And pregnant.

On the plus side, some of the other students jumped in to explain to her that, you know, space is up there.  We send people there occasionally.

I'm not sure whether to take away hope or despair from this.

Date: 2010/03/02 17:28:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Robert doesn't think he needs to match our pathetic level of detail.

Date: 2010/03/02 17:32:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 02 2010,00:24)
I haven't read this entire thread. Has someone made the Hunter-Byers link? Too obvious to miss, really, innit.

I was about to suggest that your hypothesis could be refuted by the simple fact that no one could fake the word salad that is Byers's prose.  Then I realized I wasn't thinking in the 21st century.  Maybe Hunter is using one of those online translation programs to go from English to ? and back to English.  Someone should try that with a known sample of Hunter's writing and see how it compares.

Date: 2010/03/02 17:38:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ Mar. 02 2010,13:11)
Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 02 2010,10:38)
That's right. It's impossible for nature to make a circle because it takes a computer to plot the equation.

Ha!  But you see, we live in the Matrix...so nature is a computer!  OK wait, I think I see a problem....

If we lived in the Matrix, wouldn't the food be better?

Date: 2010/03/05 17:25:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Robert Byers @ Mar. 05 2010,00:54)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 02 2010,19:02)
Yeah, internal details don't seem to matter to him. Just the outer shape, which is the aspect on which small changes can add up to streamlining in water or faster running on land or better grip on things with its jaws, or other such things. But any of those can result from accumulation of small changes, each of which produces a slight increase in efficiency or effectiveness. Internal details are less apt to change in a given time frame than outer shape, which makes them more reliable as indicators of relatedness. At least that's my understanding of the current theory.

One thing I don't get is why all the concern about marsupial classification; I don't see what he would gain from winning that argument. Even if each type of marsupial were a closer relative to a particular order of placentals rather than to other marsupials, it's still evolution.

Henry

It answers a issue about post flood marsupial exclusive migration to Australia. Then it furthers explains much of the fossil record in saying same shaped creatures are the same. Constantly whole orders of creatures are said to have existed but in fact are the same creatures as what we now have. Its about reducing creatures into a few kinds.
It also takes a shot at genetic concepts. Gentics are not a trail but a result of like parts equals like dna.
No evolution here by selection on mutation and so. So it also teaches that creatures did change suddenly from innate abilities to adapt to the earth.
This would explain much about fossil and living diversity.

Marsupials being placentals wouldn't kill evolution but it would be a kick in to the head and the fall break a lot of bones.

its also nice to contribed important discovery's to man's knowledge.

Mr Byers, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

link

Date: 2010/03/07 16:59:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 07 2010,16:54)
Quote
Because, you see, the argument regarding design is resilient.

Yeah, it was probably designed that way. ;)

Henry

Ironically, it just sort of built up over time.

Date: 2010/03/08 17:28:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 08 2010,13:59)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 08 2010,11:07)
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 08 2010,16:02)
It's a bit small innit?

Perhaps. But it was the cleanest and most wholesome of a series of potential "rude pottery" images I could select from.

Thankfully!

Louis

I am sure the Dr. Dr. Philo students will appreciate it! :)
 
That way they can cling to their clean and wholesome image, as they learn to tell the Big ID Lie, as taught by their saintly sweater-clad instructor.

For clarity...Is it Dembski who is saintly, his sweater, or both?

Once we determine that, we need to see evidence of any miracles attributable to Dembski and/or his sweater.  Can either one bring back Denyse's toe nails, for example?

Date: 2010/03/16 15:18:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 16 2010,15:02)
But as I'm not a biologist, what do I know, huh?

What a coincidence.  All the folks* at UD are not biologists too.

*the non-cotton-based folks, that is.  I suspects many of them are not not biologists.

Date: 2010/03/19 12:52:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 18 2010,12:11)
I'm not sure I'm following the debate on postmodernism correctly, but it's a fact that PCA tends toward fundamentalism and PC-USA tends toward liberalism in doctrine and politics.

This should make it perfectly clear.


There's no way out.

Presbyterians check in, but they don't check out...

That's Calvinism for you.  They're predestined to walk this little denominational Habitrail.

Funny, I cannot find G.d anywhere in this map. Am I looking in the wrong place, perhaps? They do say H.s ways are unfathomable. Maybe on a whole different plane, like the Xenu?

Every time I looked for god I found a human behind the curtain.

And they're all the One True Religion.

A United Synod, a United Presbyterian Church in the USA and a United Presbyterian of No. America.  Where's the People's Front of Judea?

He's over there.  Splitter!

Date: 2010/03/26 17:39:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 26 2010,17:28)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 26 2010,14:25)
Bill didn't win. again.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/religio....eligion

Doesn't "Dr. Honesty" still owe them either a book, or some money back?

Think they'd settle for a bottle of scotch?

Date: 2010/04/01 16:20:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 01 2010,15:11)
 
Quote
I’ve suggested these problems to various engineers with appropriate background in mechanical and aerospace engineering.

Oddly Slimy Sal forgets to mention the "various engineers" response to his questions.

Well, he did have to decipher what they were saying amidst all that laughing and rolling around on the floor, but he's pretty sure they told him how smart he is.

Date: 2010/04/16 22:18:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 16 2010,14:51)
Then again, I'm really in Favor of re-electing Lincoln...

I see two problems with that scenario:

1) The 22nd amendment would seem to apply.

2) The Zombie Party just doesn't have the financial backing to compete in the era of TV ads. (Though their stance on health care might appeal to the Tea Partiers...)

Date: 2010/04/22 20:27:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ April 22 2010,12:44)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 22 2010,10:21)
 
Quote (George @ April 22 2010,05:52)
I've a kind of linguistics question:

Should people who use "data" as a singular be boiled in oil, have their fingernails forcibly extracted, or have their tongues nailed to the roofs of their mouths?

Since I regularly use 'data' as a singular, I might not be judged impartial in this.

Me too.  I think the boiling oil should be reserved for people who say 'infer' when they mean 'imply'.

Only if there's room behind the ones who misuse literally.

Date: 2010/04/24 16:24:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 24 2010,16:13)
PS: This is not an example of a "transitional species."


Only because no one's ever seen one. ;)

Given bjray's disciplinary misconceptions, I think he'll soon ask why why haven't ever seen a transitional species between the Big Bang and an orangutan.  Or the primordial soup and a can of cream of chicken.

Date: 2010/04/25 20:09:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 25 2010,17:31)
Let's put it this way:

BJ, do you have anything for us other than vague references to things evolution can't do, a misunderstanding of science (and the bible), and a personal belief system that is offended that you might be related to monkeys?

Yes, BJ has the knowledge gained in a few credit hours of introductory philosophy.  Quake with fear, evilutionists!

Date: 2010/04/26 17:44:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (bjray @ April 26 2010,00:12)
BTW Texas Teach: 1) I've got more than "a few credit hours" of introductory philosophy. Might I inquire as to how many you've got under your belt, if any? 2) Yet again, I never claimed to be speaking Ex Cathedra about any of this.

I took a few classes as part of my minor waaaay back when.  But my goal is not to play dueling credentials with you.  Please don't confuse my statement with an actual attempt to assess your level of education.  It was pure mockery of the tactic of trying to tell real scientists that philosophy (in any amount) trumps 150+ years of empiricism.  Popper learned that lesson the hard way, too.

Now, let's focus on the real question:  What is a species?

edited for singular/plural agreement

Date: 2010/04/26 17:57:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ April 26 2010,09:57)
I too am a superhero, it's just my superpowers are rubbish.

Louis

I've always thought your powers of mockery were quite good.  Of course, maybe it's just the fact that you're English that makes the mockery seem so gentlemanly that we should thank you for using it on us?

Date: 2010/05/13 17:13:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 13 2010,08:21)
Makes you wonder how these folks can face their kids.

I see them banning the kid from the dinner table/room/house if they ask uncomfortable questions.  Then they keep talking to their wives and pretend the kid is still there but doesn't have anything to say.

Date: 2010/05/13 17:27:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Jkrebs @ May 13 2010,11:03)
StephenB explains his book:

 
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jbg, my book is an extension of a thesis, though it has not yet been edited or even finalized. In any case, it is more about communication theory in general and less about intelligent design in particular.


So didymos above was mostly right when he wrote, "Hell, it may not even mean "written"."

A tip for StephenB:  It's much easier to communicate one's ideas if they are in a form others can access; as opposed to keeping your manifesto in a shoe box under your bed.

Date: 2010/05/14 17:28:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ May 14 2010,10:49)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2010,16:21)
Quote (Louis @ May 13 2010,06:38)
I have said it before and I'll say it again: the man is a gigantic douchenozzle.

Yeah, ok, I just wanted to use the word douchenozzle.

I even read his presentation (snicker, giggle) about those evil New Atheists. I LOLed. Point, thoroughly missed. Bravo!

Louis

I actually started a rebutal - there's falsehoods and misrepresentations on most slides.

PM me if you want the current version.

You, sir, shock me. Are you suggesting that in addition to stretching arguments to the point of strawman, deliberately missing the point, and generally oversimplifying things to the point of absurdity, VD has actually put falsehoods on those slides?

Where now may my moral compass point? Without the lodestone of Theodore my navigation in morality is adrift. My north, my south, my east, my west; all are confused. Without Theodore to guide me, gently and kindly like a master, my life has been cut free and flaps on the mast, wasted, useless. Woe, calamity and disaster must surely befall us now Theodore is not the wellspring of all things factual.

Louis

Try Theobald over Theodore.

Date: 2010/05/22 22:52:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ May 22 2010,16:54)
Quote (Louis @ May 22 2010,12:18)
I start in the fall at the University of North Carolina, Wilmington. I'll have four semesters to finish my Bachelor's. (Two semesters of Organic Chem, two of Physics, and a crapload of upper level Biology courses.)

Email me if you need Org Chem help.

And congratulations!

Louis

P.S. We can teach you half the secret handshake now, but no persecuting christians every day until you get your full batchelor's degree.[/quote]
Lou - Congrats to you! :)

My daughter used Orgo Flash cards to help her through.  Orgo was reputed to be the washout course for ChemE majors.

I see through Google that people are selling them now - the set she used was downloaded for free from Gary Gray, at the University of Minnisota.  

Good luck dude.

Back in my day we had to make those ourselves (while walking uphill both ways to/from class).  I remember flipping through a set of them on the flight home from a trip with another class.  We got in late due to delays (during which I flipped through those cards dutifully despite mockery from the humanities students near me) and I went to sleep thinking I was well prepared for the organic test the next morning.  I woke up 45 minutes after the test started, and had to plead with the prof to let me take it in her office.  But I did ok thanks to the cards.

I also discovered that year that one can make passable stereo-chemical models using chocolate candies and the tines from a plastic fork if one has, for example, left the really expensive models locked out of reach the night before an exam.

Date: 2010/05/31 11:30:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 30 2010,22:57)
Quote


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So what? IDers are constrained by the conceptual trends of 500 years ago.
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Ah, yes, it always goes back to those rascals. What would you do without them?


Split the atom, discover antibiotics and anesthesia, make it possible to feed the world, you know, the usual -- for science.

Yes, but apart from splitting the atom, discovering antibiotics and anesthesia, and making it possible to feed the world, what have scientists done for us?

Date: 2010/06/03 21:33:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Be careful Richard.  Joe and ID Guy might invite you to join their Fight Club.

Date: 2010/06/07 18:10:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ June 07 2010,18:00)
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bornagain77: Please watch this video:

The Known Universe by AMNH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U

Please stop the video at the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation, and then please note the centrality of the Earth’s position in the universe. If we are now completely removed from any cosmic significance , as the quote you cite directly implies, why in the blue blazes are we in such a privileged position of centrality from our unique perspective of observation in the universe?

Why is bornagain77 at the center of everything he sees? Why do the stars revolve around him? Why is he at the mid-point of the Cosmic Background?

Why is bornagain77 central to his own perspective?!?

And while we're on the subject, why do his legs reach all the way down to the ground?  You materialists don't have an answer for that, do you?

Date: 2010/06/12 11:40:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ June 12 2010,10:23)
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jerry: All the different eyes appeared during the Cambrian.

That's right. Nothing's changed since the Cambrian Explosion.  Here's an example of primitive, bilaterian optics:


Very primitive.  They're not even in color.

Date: 2010/06/17 10:26:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Hermagoras @ June 17 2010,10:10)
This is rich.  Denyse chimes in at the First Things article that Barry supposedly eviscerated, and says the most remarkable thing:  
Quote
I don’t get it.

Nobody except the Almighty actually creates a baby, body and soul together.

Children come from the hand of the Almighty.

I had two kids, as it happens, and never was in any doubt about pregnancy.

I was under pressure to abort from US draft dodgers hiding out in Canada, at the publishing company where I was working, but I told them to go to Hull*. So?

*Hull – a boring place across the river from Ottawa. A punishment circle for stupid civil servants.


WTF?  Options:

1. Denyse was twice impregnated by draft dodgers.
2. She's making this up.

Trying to convince Denyse not to reproduce is the most sensible course of action I can imagine.  While science has yet to establish whether that level of tard is genetic or environmental, the offspring are likely doomed either way.

Date: 2010/06/21 15:40:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 21 2010,13:30)
If anyone wants the password for Batshit77 just let me know. I'll need to to cut and paste to stay in character, though.

It occurs to me that the long sought secret to understanding Denyse's prose may be related to this.  What if multiple users are writing portions of every sentence?  Without the ability to edit what came before or communicate with each other?  I'm not convinced it would be that incoherent, but it's a thought.

Date: 2010/06/21 21:54:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ June 21 2010,20:05)
 
Quote (Quack @ June 21 2010,01:10)
   
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I had a writer friend posit the idea once that rewrites are never as good as the original, even if it was just a rough draft. HA!

Maybe not quite the same thing, but no written text of mine ever approaches the clarity and stringency of the superbly worded chain of thought that triggered my attempt at writing it down; only to decide that the c**p isn't even publishable. So there.

And as Denyse O'leary would adapt your words and thoughts...

   
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 No written text of mine ever approaches any type of clarity and the stringency of a superbly worded chain of thought, so I decide that the c**p is publishable anyway. So there. Buy my book!

ftfy

Date: 2010/06/23 13:05:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote
chunkdz: Provan, the unstated premise of your intentional misrepresentation is that you are in love with Richard Dawkins.

Cue chunkdz's homoerotic fanfic about Provan and Dawkins in 3...2...1...

Date: 2010/06/27 17:01:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ June 27 2010,16:50)
Now can we please shut he fuck up about it and get on with a proper sport like rugby.

Louis

We Americans must endure nearly a month until we cleanse our national palate as armored rugby/handegg training camps begin.  We can then enjoy 6 months or so of glorious dreams until the Cowboys choke in the playoffs.

Date: 2010/06/28 12:41:59, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 28 2010,01:42)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 27 2010,15:01)
We Americans must endure nearly a month until we cleanse our national palate as armored rugby/handegg training camps begin.  We can then enjoy 6 months or so of glorious dreams until the Cowboys choke in the playoffs.

We Americans have had little notice of this minor distraction from baseball. It is merely the intellectually impaired unable to recognize a "hit and run" until well after the out, or extra base scored, that agonize for the obvious play of foot the ball.

I'm actually a baseball fan too, having watched the Cardinals while trapped in the frozen tundra that is a Missouri summer during grad school.  I even enjoy hockey, though no one down here even recognizes the word.  Football, though, is what I watched as a kid with my family, so it benefits from an entirely emotional bias.

I do suspect that the lack of distinct plays is a factor in why soccer hasn't caught on here.

Date: 2010/07/01 10:54:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Quack @ July 01 2010,05:21)
The 'problem' probably is a result of national-romantic sentiments associated with getting our own constitution (while still in union with Sweden) in 1814. We celebrate the date, 17th of May with lots of pomp and circumstance.

But do you blow things up?  It's very important to blow things up.  Secondary fires are a bonus.  If you want to make it classy, you can add musical accompaniment.

Date: 2010/07/01 15:04:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 01 2010,14:55)
Waterloo, Darwinism is dead, etc:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22intelligent+design%22

Danish?

Date: 2010/07/03 18:05:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 03 2010,12:59)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 03 2010,05:31)
Who said that the bio-complexity journal would be a failure?

     
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If you're considering submitting a manuscript to BIO-Complexity, you'll be pleased to know that in the two months since its launch, the journal has attracted a substantial readership.  At about two thousand abstract reads and a thousand PDF downloads per paper, BIO-Complexity compares very well with established online science journals.

Publish your work where it will be seen!

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/announcement/view/3

1000 downloads can't be wrong!

My wife gets 2000 hits on her blog on a bad day - she's averaging 5-6k per day most of the time.

Yes, but she's got those videos of Louis to draw a crowd.  Not the kind of crowd you'd want to spend time with, but still.

Date: 2010/07/03 18:14:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday, Rich.  Apparently you are some beloved they are having a fireworks show here tonight to celebrate.  Now if they could just make them write TARD across the sky...

Date: 2010/07/08 12:14:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 07 2010,19:50)
has anyone following the chris mooney suckfest with sockpuppetry worked out whether "bilbo" might be the same cunt that has been using that name at UD and TT or whatever.  just wondering.  carry on with rich's gay romper room

Now Kw*k has gotten involved over at Greg Laden's blog, and is threatening to demand cameras.  If only GoP would jump in with some pictures of wrestlers, we'd have the best internet drama ever.

Date: 2010/07/11 18:18:07, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ July 11 2010,17:53)
One wonders what Clive thinks anthropologists do?

 
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Phaedros,

   This seems so silly as to be absurd. What do archaeologists do?

And forensic scientists, and the folks at SETI, and anthropologists.


I have addressed ID"s misguided attempts to appropriate archaeology  here and Chris O'Brien shreds the idea here but I can't for the life of me figure out how anthropology in general gives any support to ID.

Well, you see...

Cultural anthropologists work under the knowledge that all rituals were designed that way and never change over time.  Hmmm, no, maybe...

Linguistic anthropologists do their research knowing that all changes in language happen due to frontloading.  Or...

Paleoanthropologists (that is really hard to type!)  guide their research with the principle that Australopithecines were guided by the intelligent designer to walk in soft ash so that anthropologists could later discover that they were fully human ape human...

I'll get back to you on that.

Date: 2010/07/12 15:22:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 12 2010,15:04)
StephenB draws upon his deep understanding of physics to make a theological point:
 
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Did the same God that designed electrons to make an elliptical journery around neutrons also design the way planets make an elliptical journey around our sun? It’s a fair question is it not?

No Stephen, it's a stupid question.  



Above: "electrons making eliptical journeys around neutrons."

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I still think Stephen should try it.

Don't listen to him, Stephen.  He's one of those Darwinist, atheist materialists.  You and I both know that Thomson's plum pudding model of the atom kinda looks like Jesus' face.  Can a tornado in a junkyard create a p-orbital?  It's a fair question is it not?

Date: 2010/07/12 15:26:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 12 2010,15:22)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 12 2010,15:02)
It's getting to be quite the retard convention over there.  

You are not kidding. I helped argue Joe into a standstill on a couple of threads. Was fun.

On this thread Joe fails to provide any more details then "it wuz the designer wot did it" and on this thread Joe says
 
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Ya see we no longer think that lightning is an act of the "gods" because we now know what causes it.


When asked for proof, similar proof to that which Joe has been demanding for years, that in fact no "gods" do it Joe said
 
Quote


Yes. That's right.
 
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A guy called Derek sums it up better then I can
 
Quote
Seriously guys, 24 hours and no response? That's a long time for these threads. Anyone want to take a stab at it? Nat? Cornelius? Even Joe?

It's essentially the same thing you ask us to demonstrate in every single blog post. Surely you can demonstrate why lightning isn't designed. I mean unless your belief that lightning isn't designed is based solely on your metaphysical bias towards naturalism, and therefore lightning can't be the product of intelligence. Religion drives meteorology and it matters.

So far that remains the last post.

Can we give Derek a Post of the Week from over here?  That was beautiful.

Date: 2010/07/16 11:53:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Aardvark @ July 16 2010,11:19)
fifth monarchy man Says:

Quote
I have a personal relationship with God the same way that I have a personal relationship with my wife.


I just dunno.

Given how many people his god is supposed to have a personal relationship with, what does that say about his wife?

Date: 2010/07/16 12:06:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
While I see some creationist inspired resistance to science, the far bigger general threat I see is many students lack of rigorous thinking.  I've encountered far too many students who simply can't/won't see the kind of detail that you have to pay attention to in order to have success in math and science.  Students who just don't see the difference between upper and lowercase letters, between super and subscripts.  The number of students who won't use a formula to guide a calculation, but instead arbitrarily start multiplying/dividing numbers until the get something they think looks like an answer.  It's a lack of focus, and I suspect it's at least correlated with the use of ten different electronic gadgets at any given second.

Because they have so much trouble thinking scientifically, when you do run into a topic which is at odds with their religious/cultural beliefs, they can't really see the scientific evidence for what is is.

Date: 2010/07/23 11:59:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JLT @ July 23 2010,07:33)
Quote (Wolfhound @ July 23 2010,06:11)
Way to fuck with the blind folks, guys!   :angry:

As a service to the blind folks a translation of this important exchange in morse code:

S? (S = three dots in morse code) What is that an abbreviation of?

LOL POTW

Seconded (Google rocks)

Why would I want to Google rocks?

I'll get my coat...

Date: 2010/07/28 20:48:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Maya @ July 28 2010,20:23)
Quote (tsig @ July 28 2010,15:21)
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 27 2010,20:50)
Off topic, but Google News has just suggested I go here for an article headed        
Quote
The Intelligent Design Facts Institute Launches Top Rated New Website To Defend Intelligent Design Through New Scientific Research

The site itself is here. It's chock full of stuff that I'd never thought of, such as how evolution cannot account for the origin of life and how it's mathematically impossible anyway. Best of all is this:
     
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We look forward to your comments, which will be published in anonymity unless you request your name to be shown. All comments will be published regardless of viewpoint, except for those which contain expletives and flaming.

This could become a lot of fun.

Wonder if that site will drain away all five of UDs' regular commentators(non-sock)

I suspect that Gordon's logorrhea is sufficient for any number of blogs.

If Denyse spreads herself out over any more blogs we may get a test of the homeopathic theory of TARD.

Date: 2010/07/29 20:56:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ July 29 2010,19:48)
Is it me or does Luskin just keep getting dunmber and dumber?

My favorite part comes at the end of the post:

Quote
In both cases, we're talking about strong selection pressure causing a couple changes (or even just one change) in the amino acid sequence of structural proteins. No new functions or structures are evolving and all we've seen is the loss of the ability of a toxin to bind to its target -- a protein involved in sodium channels. This is similar to the breaking down of a function -- losing the ability to bind through a mutation. Interesting and important research for sure, but if we're trying to showcase ""just what is the evidence" for the grander claims of Darwinian evolution, this will not suffice.


So, according to Luskin gaining tetrodotoxin resistance is a loss of functions? WTF?

Two possibilities:

1) It's losing the ability to die and go be with Bacterial Jesus.  

2) It's a loss of the "gap" function in which Casey's god can hide itself.

Date: 2010/08/02 12:50:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 02 2010,11:58)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 02 2010,11:56)
Google to the rescue:

http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_orthodox.html

 
Quote

•Tom Hanks - actor, movie star
•Tina Fey - Saturday Night Live TV series writer and on-screen co-host of "Weekend Update" segment
•John Belushi - comedian; Saturday Night Live star; film actor (raised Albanian Orthodox)
•Joseph Stalin - brutal Communist leader (left Church, embraced atheism)
•Vladimir Lenin - Communist leader of Russia (embraced atheism)
...
William A. Dembski - a leading proponent of Intelligent Design theory (raised Catholic; became an Evangelical; converted to Eastern Orthodoxy in 1997; returned to Evanglicalism in 1999; now teaches at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville
, KY)

Make up your mind, Dembski!

For all these years we've assumed that Dembski was trying to lie about the Designer's identity.  Maybe he doesn't know?  If someone put together a good enough recruiting package, do you think he'd convert to FSM?

Date: 2010/08/07 10:41:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 07 2010,05:19)
At least when the British were the world's most important colonial superpower there was tea....and occasional genocide but it's impolite to mention that. Bloody Yanks can't make tea. Not a proper superpower with coffee and crap tea, sorry. It's the rules.

Besides coffee we also gave the world soft drinks (come for the high fructose corn syrup, stay for the ethylene glycol) and fast food...and occasional morbid obesity but it's impolite to mention that.

Date: 2010/08/08 22:58:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 08 2010,21:59)
Quote (Maya @ Aug. 08 2010,10:10)
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 08 2010,09:38)
Considering where they come from it is more than obvious they will never understand the game which,btw, is called football.

I'm reading you in America -- speak American.

Pidgin dialect!

Is that what they speak in the north east?  We don't have much truck with those flying rats down here.

Date: 2010/08/12 19:18:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 12 2010,18:51)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 12 2010,16:57)
"Persons with frontal lobe damage are often unable to cease applying the original rule and begin a search for a new rule."

Not "often"; always. It's called perseveration, and the people taking the test are often quite capable of describing the protocol and the strategy for switching rules. They just end up incapable of applying what they rationally know needs to happen.

You don't even need cards!

1968: Epperson v Arkansas
1975: Daniel v Waters
1982: McLean v Arkansas
1987: Edwards v Aguillard
2005: Kitzmiller v Dover

As Lenny Flank always says, they just can't help reverting to type.

Edit: Missperred Renny's sulname

Post. of. the. Week.

Date: 2010/08/26 19:57:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I sent you a cool front for your birthday.  Did you get it?

Date: 2010/08/31 20:20:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
She Who Must Be Obeyed informs me that her name made it onto a list of evil atheist anthropologists to serve as sparring partner for the creationist one her university's Christian groups is bringing in to speak.  It's Charles Jackson, who I see ERV debated a while back.  Her initial thought was to do a separate presentation with her friend from the Bio dept. rather than join in a joint event with a hostile audience and a sneaky creationist.  Anyone with experience at that sort of thing (or with Jackson in particular) have any advice?

Date: 2010/09/10 20:35:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Random thought: I am still in awe that the Mésanges Charbonnières are refered to in english as Great Tits.

The wonders of languages...


Blame the English. They're the ones that came up with the bright idea to call any small passerine species a 'tit'. Though I must confess to the delight at the thought of explaining to other people in parks that the binoculars I carry are for looking for and at tits.  :D

And I just got back from vacation in "Les Grande Tetons".  They were big, beautiful and pointy.


Naturally they're pointy.  That snow is cold.

Date: 2010/09/10 21:26:59, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 10 2010,16:03)
1 apple + 1 apple =

?

Which brings us to the point that 2 mL of alcohol + 2 mL of water does not equal 4 mL.

Date: 2010/09/11 08:27:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 11 2010,07:14)
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We read far too many of the same web comics. Are we the same person?


I think it's just because we both aim for excellence when it comes to internet graphic humour. And it doesn't get any better than Sohmer and De Suza (except maybe for XKCD. Oh, and Cyanide and happiness too...).

Full Frontal Nerdity is awfully good, too.

Date: 2010/09/13 20:35:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (olegt @ Sep. 13 2010,17:31)
This is really bizarre. Snell's law is not math, it's optics.
   
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If someone discovers a law, it means that he/she has uncovered an unchanaging truth. In some cases the same law was discovered by two people, neither of which was aware of the other’s work. This is only possible if both were discovering a truth that was independent of their capacity to simply conceive a set of axioms for the sake of argument. It is no coincidence that the ordered universe, which is law-like, is synchronized with the laws of mathematics.


If Snell's law qualifies to be "an unchanging truth," then I suppose so does the Boyle-Mariotte law. It was, after all, discovered by two people!  Now of course we know that it is only an approximation that works in the limit of the ideal gas.

And Newton's law of universal gravitation is also only approximate.  What does our friend StephenB have to say to that?

The only way you can get an ideal gas is from an ideal designer.  Take that chance-worshipers.

Date: 2010/09/15 20:24:34, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 15 2010,13:56)
So does anyone have any idea what this plasmid is doing toting a suitcase full of flagellum proteins?

I mean, what are the odds that one of the first bacteria sequenced would be carrying Behe and Dembski's iconic luggage, unless the world of bacteria is full of such oddities?

I'd guess about the same as some random meteorological event creating some sort of conveyance out of a set of old parts.

Date: 2010/09/23 18:31:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (BWE @ Sep. 23 2010,12:32)
:) Now thanks to Collins, Venter, Carroll et. al. I just read scientific american to stay as current as the rest of the scientists. :D

Is that your subscription or do you have your wife buy them for you?

Date: 2010/09/28 21:04:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 28 2010,11:11)
I can sympathize with agnostics, but atheists?  IMHO, the only reason one is an atheist is because of personal issues which can vary immensely from person to person.

For this atheist, it's the same personal issues that lead me to not believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.

Date: 2010/09/28 21:13:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 28 2010,09:25)
markf noticed that gpuccio's definition of CSI is diametrically opposed to WAD's. gpuccio just shrugged, "so what?"
When markf insisted that there is a discrepancy, gpuccio plays Judas:
 
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1) I am not dismissing Dembski’s paper. I simply do not need it for my discussion. And I don’t remember that I have ever found, for instance here at UD, anyone who was relying on the definition in that particular paper to discuss CSI and ID. So, it seems that it is not only me that do no find particularly necessary that paper.


(dreaming of a tardfight)

Proof that Clive (hi, Clive!) isn't half the man DaveTard was.  Nobody dismissed Dembski on Dave's watch.

Date: 2010/09/29 20:38:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 28 2010,22:14)
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I can sympathize with agnostics, but atheists?  IMHO, the only reason one is an atheist is because of personal issues which can vary immensely from person to person.

For this atheist, it's the same personal issues that lead me to not believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis.

Actually, I think I agree.  In my experience, the reasons for atheism come down to one of two things.

1) No indoctrination as a child (i.e. children of atheists)

2) Indoctrination as a child that just didn't take (i.e. the child figured out what a sham religion actually is)

I fell into 1 thanks to being raised Unitarian.  My dad is the type of atheist who simply has no interest in the subject unless he's forced encounter people trying to proselytize.  My mom was raised Christian and has gone agnostic over the years with the occasional need for ritual/woo (thus the appeal of the UUs).  In Sunday school we were taught world religions in a very neutral sort of way, which is a great way to see that all the weird things people believe are equally weird and to not take any of them too seriously.  We had a lawyer from ACLU teaching the high school class; think having Clarence Darrow teach you about religions.

I always tell people that all the science I learned had nothing to do with my lack of religion.  Learning about religions and mythology (the parallels sure are obvious as an outsider) did that long before I learned any science.  General skepticism came first and science appealed to that part of me, not the other way around.

Date: 2010/10/11 18:48:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Oct. 10 2010,22:09)
O'Dreary leads with her chin:
 
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But I’d be curious to know why atheists are attracted to science fiction (not necessarily with happy results, by any means), and why there is so little good science fiction out there from a theistic perspective. Any thoughts?


The Genesis book of the Bible qualifies quite nicely.

I think that one better qualifies as fantasy.  Should be in the same section of your local B&N, though.

Date: 2010/10/19 18:15:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ Oct. 19 2010,10:10)
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Quote (didymos @ Oct. 18 2010,22:19)
 
Quote (sledgehammer @ Oct. 18 2010,18:25)
Ask him if a single molecule of water is a solid, liquid or a gas.

Based on Joe's oeuvre, I'm gonna predict that he says it depends on whether the molecule comes from some ice, water, or steam, 'cause they're all different and stuff.  He may or may not mention his belief in the homosexuality of the questioner, but odds are good.

Also depends on what size the water is. You know, steam is bigger than ice.

But it also weighs less.  Not to mention that it's spelled different.

Which means it has different information, right?

Date: 2010/10/20 20:32:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I, Galileo William Dembski, son of the late Vincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, arraigned personally before this tribunal, and kneeling before you, Most Eminent and Reverend Lord Cardinals, Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity throughout the entire Christian commonwealth, having before my eyes and touching with my hands, the Holy Gospels, swear that I have always believed, do believe, and by God's help will in  the future believe, all that is held, preached, and taught by the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But whereas -- after an injunction had been judicially intimated to me by this Holy Office, to the effect that I must altogether abandon the false opinion that the sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center of the world, and moves, and that I must not hold, defend, or teach in any way whatsoever, verbally or in writing, the said false doctrine, and after it had been notified to me that the said doctrine was contrary to Holy Scripture -- I wrote and printed a book in which I discuss this new doctrine already condemned, and adduce arguments of great cogency in its favor, without presenting any solution of these, and for this reason I have been pronounced by the Holy Office to be vehemently suspected of heresy, that is to say, of having held and believed that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable, and that the earth is not the center and moves:

Therefore, desiring to remove from the minds of your Eminences, and of all faithful Christians, this vehement suspicion, justly conceived against me, with sincere heart and unfeigned faith I abjure, curse, and detest the aforesaid errors and heresies, and generally every other error, heresy,  and sect whatsoever contrary to the said Holy Church, and I swear that in the future I will never again say or assert, verbally or in writing, anything that might furnish occasion for a similar suspicion regarding me; but that should I know any heretic, or person suspected of heresy, I will denounce him to this Holy Office, or to the Inquisitor or Ordinary of the place where I may be. Further, I swear and promise to fulfill and observe in their integrity all penances that have been, or that shall be, imposed upon me by this Holy Office. And, in the event of my contravening, (which God forbid) any of these my promises and oaths, I submit myself to all the pains and penalties imposed and promulgated in the sacred canons and other constitutions, general and particular, against such delinquents. So help me God, and these His Holy Gospels, which I touch with my hands.

I, the said Galileo Galilei William Dembski, have abjured, sworn, promised, and bound myself as above; and in witness of the truth thereof I have with my own hand subscribed the present document of my abjuration, and recited it word for word at Rome, in the Convent of Minerva, this twenty-second day of June, 1633.

I, Galileo Galilei William Dembski, have abjured as above with my own hand.

Fixed





Date: 2010/10/22 17:25:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Must have been a rough 6000 years; looks more like billions.  Maybe a little less time in the sun would be good.

Date: 2010/10/22 17:39:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 22 2010,15:37)
No disrespect, but your views on the bible are no more or less valid than anyone else who subscribes to that stuff.

What about the kid that delivers my pizza?  He's got some interesting thoughts on the subject.

Date: 2010/10/22 21:22:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (SoonerintheBluegrass @ Oct. 22 2010,18:40)
Basically, what khan said.  Something that's supposed to be inerrant shouldn't require reflection and study.  Just imagine if god had a job writing instruction manuals-- people all over the world would probably wind up trying to play DVDs with a toaster and putting pancake syrup in their lawn mower gas tanks.


Isn't that essentially what they've been doing over at UD for the last few years?

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 22 2010,18:26)
I think that I need to write Paige Patterson, Dembski's boss, and ask him what he thinks Dembski said he believed when confronted on the issue. I can legitimately say that the topic appears to need clarification.


<grabs popcorn>

Date: 2010/10/22 21:30:37, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 22 2010,19:16)
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Coincidentally, I am headed to the Grand Canyon later this afternoon, so I can see the erosional effects of da fludde, watch the full moon rise over the canyon, and celebrate the world's birthday in style!

My most favorite place on earth. I'm jealous!

Not to hijack the thread, but while the Grand Canyon might be nice, after all it's just a freaking big hole in the ground!  Now, give me something on a coast, with a nice sand beach, and a drink with a parasol...

And happy birthday world*, and thanks for including big holes and sand beaches, and alchohol, slightly chilled.


* Hey!  How comes no LOL Catz???!!!

Isn't the ocean just a freaking bigger hole full of water?

They're both nice, but I prefer a good book in the shade under a tree.

Date: 2010/10/24 12:07:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ Oct. 24 2010,09:43)
The reference appears to be to Thermodynamics of evolution: The ideas of nonequilibrium order and of the search for stability extend Darwin's concept back to the prebiotic stage by redefining the "fittest", a two-part article from Physics Today, Vol. 25, Issues 11 & 12, 1972. Leaving off the Issue numbers made it quite a bit more difficult to find the article. We can be quite sure it is the reference because the first part of the article is found on the cited pages, 23-28.

You would think that the Darwinists would have noticed that their research was futile after this was published nearly 40 years ago.  If only ba77 had been quicker to tell them, they might have accepted that their Waterloo has already happened and spent the last four decades doing something useful.  At least there will be lots of lab space/equipment available for the ID scientists to purchase on the cheap now that they know.

Date: 2010/10/26 18:33:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 26 2010,16:59)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2010,16:12)
I swoon at your talent!

Why, thank you! (blushes handsomely)
I'm working on a version with more drama - rain, storm ...
Edit: Drama

Don't forget to put all the long eared animals along the side

Date: 2010/10/27 18:27:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Oct. 27 2010,16:39)
Help.

I can't link to anything more recent than 2005.

Sounds like you caught a mild strain of whatever the IDiots have.  Theirs applies to everything more recent than 1805.

Date: 2010/10/28 19:21:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Thank you everyone.  I had a very nice day.  My present was having all of the principals out of the building, so I got to teach unmolested for a day.  My big party plans for the weekend involve taking my 4 year old and 2 year old daughters trick or treating.  I get to watch them have a great time and then share a few choice treats.

Bob, my students were delightful today.  Teenagers can occasionally be very sweet.  A few of them even agreed to study tonight for their test tomorrow.

Louis, yes.  Yes it is.  Why, what did you hear?

Date: 2010/10/28 21:19:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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My present was having all of the principals out of the building,

All of them? How many principals can one school have?  :D

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P.S. Is it true that evrerything's bigger in Texas?

Except for grasshoppers - Australia has much bigger ones of those than Texas!

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We have three for a school of less than 500.  Don't get me started on all the district administrators we have to manage the various aspects of teaching to the state test, practicing for the state test, managing the administration of the state test, and processing the data from the state test.

As for Australian grasshoppers, we do have something bigger.  They're called mosquitoes.  They are also our state bird.

Date: 2010/10/29 17:19:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (MichaelJ @ Oct. 28 2010,22:27)
Happy Birthday. I met some Texans in the 1980's when Aussies where the flavour of the month. The line that has stayed with me is when one of them said to us "Y'all sure talk funneh"

That reminds me of the time I was part of a group of Unitarian teenagers who traveled to Boston. (Kind of a "look kids, liberals who don't have to wear fake glasses/mustaches" trip).  While at a Red Sox game we had a lovely chat with the locals in the outfield during a rain delay.  A friend of mine told them he wished he had their accents.  On of the guys responded in what I had always assumed previously was what actors did to exaggerate the Boston accent, "Nah, keep what you've gaht".

Date: 2010/10/31 20:08:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday, Steve.  That was a beautiful moment.  I imagine Joel sitting in his mother's basement crying softly that ID would have won if it weren't for that meddling Steve H.

Date: 2010/11/04 17:22:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 04 2010,10:55)
Good grief!  Joe "Ice is Not Water" G is arguing that "one word sentences," like "Go!" are not sentences.

Is there a pathological mental condition, besides creationist fuckwit, that a person can never, ever be wrong?

Something like "FL Syndrome."

How does a person like this get through the day?  Inquiring minds want to know!

You mean like refusing to concede that Portuguese is not a mixture of Spanish and French?

Date: 2010/11/04 17:26:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 04 2010,13:05)
Quote (didymos @ Nov. 04 2010,17:19)
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 04 2010,06:40)
b) These fishing threads so rarely encourage new chums to play.

Enh. Worth a shot.  It's been chewtoy-deficient 'round here.

Oh it's definitely worth a shot. And I am trying to increase your chances by betting heavily against you.

Also, there's this that might help:

{clears throat}

It's a million to one chance this creationist loon will ever turn up. A million to one chance I say.

No, no. There's really no need to thank me.

Louis

Are you sure it's exactly a million to one?



Love that book btw.

Date: 2010/11/04 17:37:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ Nov. 04 2010,06:11)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 04 2010,03:20)
Evolution / molecular biology - no real difference.  They're both sciencey things that Robert doesn't understand.

I'm still trying to figure out why he's so angry with sperm banks.  "Genocide! Sperm banks!  And even war!"  

Wai...wha...huh?

Perhaps they declined to store his?

Date: 2010/11/04 17:39:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (BillB @ Nov. 04 2010,17:17)
Hmmm. Handed in my corrected and neatly bound PhD thesis today ... all thats left is to don a silly outfit and collect a piece of paper whilst my parents try not to cry... maybe I'll post some photos!

Why would you post photos of your parents trying not to cry?


Oh.....

Congrats!

Date: 2010/11/05 17:10:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 05 2010,16:25)
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Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 05 2010,00:12)
This is going to be a slaughter:              
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4 November 2010
William Dembski Debates Christopher Hitchens
Clive Hayden
William Dembski will be debating Christopher Hitchens at the Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano, TX, Nov. 18th, on the question of God’s goodness.

“Does a Good God Exist?”

Debate between Dr. William Dembski and Christopher Hitchens

Two intellectual heavy weights will square off toe-to-toe on the existence and goodness of God.

This should be fantastic.  I've seen videos and transcripts of Michael Shermer debating Dembski and, much as I like Shermer's other work, I think he takes it far too easy on Billy and gives him far more respect than he deserves.  I suspect (and hope) that Hitchens won't be so kind.

Hitchens will leave Dembski sobbing into his sweater like a little girl, when he reveals that he was just using WAD to publicize his new book, "Why Dembski Is Not Great".

I'm not sure there are enough trees to publish even one copy of that.

Date: 2010/11/09 17:09:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 09 2010,10:15)
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This bit cracks me up. Notice how Casey defines whales:

But does he provide a cetacean for his source material?

Henry

Yes - consult the biolography.

He just keeps blubbering on about how it must all be a big fluke.

So you think he's telling a tall tail?

He's definitely blowing something out a hole.

Date: 2010/11/11 16:17:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday to the funniest Welsh French Limey organic chemist I know.  That you are the only Limey organic chemist I know is neither here nor there.

<404 error: Arden's mom joke not found>

Date: 2010/11/14 11:51:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 14 2010,10:37)
"Einstein never returns my phone calls."

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PaV: I wonder if the Darwinists like to use students to carry their water: it eliminates the need to put their reputation on the line in any confrontation with Behe, and, additionally, should the student prevail then it would be an instance where some ‘wet behind the ears’ student knew more than one of the key propenents of ID. They can’t resist this. But it strikes me as rather cowardly.

It's a shame all the Darwinists can manage is to sacrifice the young whipper-snappers like Dawkins and Miller.

Date: 2010/11/16 17:21:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 16 2010,16:53)
But can any of them go under water like that thing James Bond had in one of his movies?

I think all mini-vans can go under water.

The trouble is getting them back up.*


*Also a frequent complaint from Arden's mom

Date: 2010/11/17 17:17:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Congrats.  They are ridiculously cute when new, but I'm loving that my two girls are both speaking now.  My four year old asked me, very seriously, the other night: "Why is the moon in cartoons yellow, but my moon is white?"

Date: 2010/11/19 17:19:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (olegt @ Nov. 19 2010,16:05)
You can have a Ph. D. in philosophy, but it does not guarantee that you can think. Torley [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-earth-not-our-mother-not-our-sister-not-a-living-thing-but-our-treasure-trove-our-obse

rvatory-our-library-our-spaceship-and-our-home/#comment-367761]parrots things[/URL] he clearly does not understand:
   
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A striking example relates to solar eclipses. The Earth is the only place in the solar system where it is possible to witness a total solar eclipse. (One of Saturn’s moons, Prometheus, comes close, but it’s shaped like a potato and results in eclipses that last less than a second). What’s more, even on Earth, it will only be possible to witness perfect solar eclipses for the relatively near term future, as the moon’s distance from the Earth gradually changes over the course of time.

Total eclipses are possible because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon, but it’s also 400 times further away than the moon. It’s this coincidence that creates a perfect match.


If you think this through for a second you'll realize that there is at least one other place in the solar system where you can observe total solar eclipses: the Moon. The Earth's angular size as seen from the Moon exceeds the Sun's, so it provides total solar eclipses on the Moon (and then some). And surely other planets in the solar system provide ample eclipses for their moons.

Where did Torley pick up the stupid claim? Here are 20 Things You Didn't Know About Eclipses from Discover Magazine. Read carefully:
   
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7. The beautiful symmetry of a total solar eclipse happens because—by pure chance—the sun is 400 times larger than the moon but is also 400 times farther from Earth, making the two bodies appear the exact same size in the sky.

8. In case you were thinking about relocating: Earth is the only place in the solar system where that happens.

This claim is different from Torley's. They do not say that the Earth is the only place in the solar system where total solar eclipses happen. It's unique in that we can see total solar and total lunar eclipses.

And from what I understand, eventually, it won't happen here any more as the moon moves farther from us.  Not that we'll be here to not see it.

Date: 2010/11/22 16:00:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 22 2010,12:14)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 22 2010,09:59)
Oh, I love this:
   
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The problem of evil can therefore be reformulated as the following argument:

Premise 1: Since God is good, he wants to destroy evil.

Premise 2: Since God is all-powerful, he can destroy evil.

Premise 3: Evil is not yet destroyed.

Conclusion: Therefore God will eventually destroy evil.



Premise 1: Since I am empathic, I want to do good.
Premise 2: Since I am smart, I can figure out how to destroy evil.
Premise 3: Evil is not yet destroyed.

Conclusion: Someday, I will destroy Evil!

Yes, fame and fortune will soon be mine for destroying evil.

This is even more shallow than most attempts to deal with TPoE.

Or as somebody once put it,
   
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It's not about good.

It's not about evil.

It's about power.


ETA: (That's from the TV show Buffy tVS)

Good.  Bad.  I'm the guy with the gun  --Ash

Date: 2010/11/27 18:30:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 27 2010,16:51)
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 27 2010,14:22)
That "graffiti" sounds like somebody confused "psychic" with "psychotic". Well, with only a two letter difference, I supposed it's an easy mistake for some to make.

Henry

Does psychotic have more specified complexity then?

Unfortunately we'll never know unless Joe tells us.  Why does he want us to suffer so?

Date: 2010/12/01 17:03:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 01 2010,03:59)
Quote (keiths @ Nov. 30 2010,23:33)


So Arden really does have an oversized, bulbous head on a spindly body.

DON'T. DISS. THE. MUM. JOKES. :angry:

I will have you know that the mum joke originated back in Ancient Greece as a means to determine the difference between vital philosophical concepts. Yup, ancient, noble tradition. Uh huh. That's right.

And you are right about Arden.

Louis

Your mom originated in Ancient Greece. ;)

Date: 2010/12/06 20:57:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Hermagoras @ Dec. 06 2010,19:57)
What happened to Daniel Smith?  Didn't he used to be on the science side?  Or am I confusing him with someone else?

You're thinking of someone else. Here's Daniel's Introductory thread

Date: 2010/12/07 18:30:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 07 2010,16:54)
 
Quote (Maya @ Dec. 07 2010,19:43)
 
Quote (Louis @ Dec. 07 2010,09:48)
If two or more people of the same whatever sexes find each the others sexually attractive and want to act on that, go to it sayeth I.

Fixed that for you.
 
[SNIP]

I'm not sure the fix was necessary given other comments in that post, but thanks for fixing it and I agree entirely. With bells on.

;-)

Louis

My wife always complains that those chafe.  What?  Oh...never mind.

Date: 2010/12/12 17:58:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday!

Date: 2010/12/26 14:44:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 25 2010,20:32)
If he says he isn't Christian... then it's additional evidence he's Joey


Here you go

 
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My creationist swill?? I’m not a creation-“ist” and I’m not religious. I think that ID or creation (by some sort of intelligent entity) is possible  but I haven’t and wouldn’t say it’s a fact unless I were to see convincing evidence. The same thing goes for abiogenesis. There’s some interesting and suggestive evidence for abiogenesis, and some may even reasonably be considered somewhat persuasive, but it’s far from nailed down yet, and may never be.


Multiple lines of convergent evidence.

Date: 2010/12/26 14:53:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Seversky @ Dec. 26 2010,13:20)
Agony aunt Denyse O'Leary (so called because reading her prose is agony) marvels at some weird-looking bugs, sneers at "the proposed Darwinian explanation":
   
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A first guess is that it’s a sexually-selected trait, but those are often limited to males, and these creatures (and the ones below) show the ornaments in both sexes. Kemp hypothesizes—and this seems quite reasonable—that “the hollow globes, like the remarkable excrescences exhibited by other treehoppers, probably deter predators.” It would be hard to grab, much less chow down on, a beast with all those spines and excrescences.

Note, though, that the ornament sports many bristles. If these are sensory bristles, and not just deterrents to predation or irritating spines, then the ornament may have an unknown tactile function.

and asks
   
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Things can’t just be weird, can they?

What she doesn't ask is what it says about Her Favorite Designer if the excrescences have no purpose and are just weird?

Could it be her god was just screwing around when he made us?  Maybe we're just purposeless and weird excrescences (hi, Clive!) and the real centerpiece of creation is on the next solar system over.

The Just Weird Hypothesis would certainly explain Denyse, BA77, Gordo, Gil...

Date: 2010/12/30 13:24:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Dec. 30 2010,12:23)
But Pandas and People was just a forgery made up by those eeeevil darwin-worshiping atheist types to make the True BeLIEvers (tm pat pend) look like liars.  That it was put forward by those in support of ID-is-too-Sciencey folks only goes to show how completely they were fooled by this...

Wait, no, they can't be fooled 'cause they speak the Trooth (tm pat pend), so that means they must have...but the book's a dead giveaway...

Hey, it's Joey.  He's not nearly as clever as he thinks he is, nor as creative with his insults.  In his little world, all you need to overcome actual evidence is a sufficiently strong assertion.

Pathetic.


The MadPanda, FCD

A sufficiently strong assertion and calling people gay.

And threatening to come to your house.

A sufficiently strong assertion, calling people gay, and threatening to come to your house, and a sock-puppet named Kris.

I'll come in again.

Date: 2010/12/30 19:11:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I don't know about any of the rest of you, but I come here to mock the ridiculous.  FL is in good company there.  From Denyse's prose to GEM of TKI's Lewontin obsession. From Clive's (Hi, Clive!) ruthless hypocrisy to JoeG's thinking ice is only the same as water if it's the same size.  This is why I'm here.  (Well and the mum jokes)

So carry on Floyd.  Please tell me more about how I secretly worship your god.  Just warn me next time so I can set down my drink.

Date: 2010/12/30 21:38:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wolfhound @ Dec. 30 2010,21:09)
Hi, Floyd!

Fuck off.  And die.  In a fire.

Smooches!  :x

(I figured, as a Christmas gift, I'd give him what he REALLY wanted: A nasty, mean, evil atheist screed)

I think that would be extraordinarily bad.  Can you imagine what kind of hallucinogenic effects Troo Believer fumes would have on innocent passersby?

Date: 2011/01/01 12:17:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 01 2011,10:26)
I was trying some anti-Mabus measures that seem to have had unintended consequences.

Let me know if there are further difficulties.

Take off and nuke him from orbit.  It's the only way to be sure.

Date: 2011/01/04 17:09:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ Jan. 04 2011,16:41)
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Go to any American town and be impressed with the number of churches on display


I'll say. You can't swing a dead cat in my (midwest) town without hitting either a church or a bank.

I believe there are blue laws against hitting churches with cats (living or dead) here in the south.

Date: 2011/01/05 17:42:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
My family can trace its roots back 3 generations to Texas and Alabama.  Tremble at our mighty genealogical skills puny mortals.

Date: 2011/01/05 17:45:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 05 2011,13:30)
So, my question is, which is the designer?  God -or- do we live in the Matrix?

Not to give Joe too much help, but if we lived in the Matrix, wouldn't the food be better?

Date: 2011/01/05 17:55:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 05 2011,16:53)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 05 2011,11:19)
Chromatography, therefore Jesus.

Brilliant!

But it might be a bit hard to discuss chromatography in the standard-issue church bulletin...

Back in my former life as a grad student I had to TA a lab that involved gas chromatography.  The machine was in a closet with delusions of grandeur.  There were something like 20 students in there with me.  I have a nearly pathological fear of needles. Every time I turned around there was a freshman with a syringe pointed at me filled with the kind of organic soup that would give you super powers if you lived in a comic book.  I'm sure I included "Jesus!" amongst the responses I had each time this happened.  Therefore, Godditit.

Date: 2011/01/10 17:56:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ Jan. 10 2011,17:26)
ID Guy is either Joe G for sure, or the stupidest douche on the planet for not collecting his 10 grand from olegt by proving he isn't.

Fixed that for you

Date: 2011/01/12 17:00:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dvunkannon @ Jan. 12 2011,06:40)
Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 11 2011,17:35)
But kicking a ball would require a foot that has bones in it, wouldn't it?

Soft bodies can be stiffened by hydrostatic pressure. Think about what sexual arousal does to your... lips.

But to kick a ball that way you'd have to be really excited about the game.

Date: 2011/01/12 17:10:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 12 2011,08:56)
I just found this statement, which exlains so much... though I can't find the original:

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Sociologist of religion Tex Sample asserts that it is a mistake to refer to a Muslim, Jewish, or Christian Fundamentalist. Rather, a fundamentalist's fundamentalism is their primary concern, over and above other denominational or faith considerations.

This thread has now officially become worth the electrons purely because I now know their is a man named Tex Sample in the world.

Date: 2011/01/13 17:55:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dochocson @ Jan. 13 2011,11:51)
Did KF invent the whole oily ad hominem straw man thingy? I imagine him smiling smugly at his own cleverness every time he types it.

Part of me is tempted to get him and Kw*k in an argument just to see who can smile most smugly at his own cleverness.

Part of me realizes that this would be akin to crossing the streams and recoils in horror.

Date: 2011/01/14 16:45:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2011,16:23)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 14 2011,12:29)
But but but but we DO eat babies, don't we?

You...you...you mean all this time I've been the only one? Oh no. Oh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! The guilt! The horror! The shame! The delicious babies deep fried and smothered in barbeque sauce...No must not think about scrummy babies.

{Ahem}

Louis

DAMMIT!!!! What kind of Bar B Q???

Texas, KC, Chicago, NewOrleans???? Your own Special Creation Design?

The Food Channel wants to know!

Memphis BBQ destroys all of those others.  I say this fully realizing the danger I'm in saying that from deep in the heart of Texas.

Date: 2011/01/14 21:12:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Jan. 14 2011,19:47)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 14 2011,17:34)
So the big man in the trenchcoat can kill a tiny widdle birdy... aww...

I think you'll find other things slightly tougher... coward.

Possibly, but I am skeptical.  My first thought is that is a picture of the birds that died off in ... Alabama, was it?  The ones that CNN had Kirk Cameron on to explain how this was a sign of the rapture or something.

(Although, from what I have heard, I have not seen the interview myself - wanted to save the brain cells - even Cameron was confused as to why he was on the show.)

It was my home state of Arkansas.  And it was apparently the caused by the Gays.  PZ had it covered

Date: 2011/01/20 17:57:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (MadPanda, FCD @ Jan. 20 2011,12:23)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 20 2011,10:26)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 19 2011,23:33)
which is unfortunate because the first post is picture of a guy with a pink dick on his forehead and that's NSFW).

Great art is meant to challenge you.

Or at least challenge somebody.  Got to push the envelope, which is why we got impressionism, fauvism, pointalism, cubism, dada, surrealism, post-surrealism, last-tuesday-ism...


The MadPanda, FCD

lolcatism?

Date: 2011/01/21 16:10:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 21 2011,16:01)
lol...u people are nuts.  

I can't go tell PZ, Rich, he banned my ass years ago.  He doesn't allow dissent.

For anyone new to the world of FtK, "dissent" translates into English as "Overwhelming creepiness"

Date: 2011/01/21 16:57:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 21 2011,16:51)
Aaahh!!!

After Mabuse, JoeG, IBIG and all, FTK is like a brease of fresh sewer-scented air!

I almost missed her...

Not to worry.  She'll flounce out again before long and you can try to start missing her all over again.

Date: 2011/01/23 15:45:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday!  In celebration of another year gone by, here's a fun discussion of what that means

Date: 2011/01/23 19:31:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (qetzal @ Jan. 23 2011,19:12)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 23 2011,09:10)
It's intolerance like that that makes you worse than Hitler you baby eating atheist Darwinist persecution loving bastard.

{shakes fist}

Louis

Guilty on all counts. Oh, except the baby-eating. I'm baby-meat-intolerant. It's so embarassing to have to ask for beef or pork when everyone else at the secret atheist Darwinist Nazi barbecue is enjoying sweet, succulent baby.

You should try substituting baby seal.  You get that same neotany and the fat content gives you that same juicy consistency you've come to expect.

Date: 2011/01/24 17:04:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 24 2011,14:52)
Happy to be help! :)

And the worst part is: I don't care much about Tolkien, although I know a bit about his work.

Ask about Pratchett now, that's an entirely different level! :p


ETA: When someone invoques a major piece of literature, one can't help but go in dephts about invoqued references. I don't know, it's just one of those things...

ETAA: And I have a sexual life!

Watch out.  Girls who sleep with you because you can quote the Silmarillion are into some freaky stuff.

Date: 2011/01/24 17:24:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 24 2011,07:10)
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 23 2011,22:22)
 
Quote (Wolfhound @ Jan. 23 2011,08:43)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 23 2011,11:36)
Thanks, folks! I'm still in the grip of some virus or other picked up when I visited Vegas earlier this month. It's just me and Beka, the mini-dachshund, here for what festivities we might get up. Fortunately, I do have a bottle of sangria for me, and there's various dog treats around to help make Beka happy. If a mini-dachshund can get happier than having six acres of Florida bush to sniff around in.

Dachshund?  DACHSHUND?!


Huzzah! Someone who actually knows what "dachshund" means!

Anyone who pronounces it like the surname in "Sense and Sensibility" gets a tongue-lashing. And not in a nice way.

Beka is a mini-dachshund from rabbit-hunting lines. The critical morphological limit is chest circumference, which defines the smallest hole she can get down. Beka has a 31cm circumference, which puts her just a centimeter too large to be classed as a Kaninchenteckel. She doesn't seem to have become discouraged by this, and chases rabbits anyway.

My wife and I had a cocker spaniel years ago that spotted a "bunny" and took off after it.  When he finally caught it, the "bunny" turned out to be a jack rabbit that kicked him hard enough to sprain the dog's back and dislocate one elbow.  His enthusiasm for chasing bunnies dropped off noticeably after that.

Date: 2011/01/24 18:16:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Robin @ Jan. 24 2011,16:08)
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 24 2011,06:50)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 24 2011,11:59)
Thanks Louis, new signature...

THAT is the best thing I wrote there? THAT?

Dammit I am off to start drinking heavily. ;-)

Louis


Hardly. The other stuff was sheer brilliance, but waaaaaaaay to long to use as a sig quote.

:p

A PotW would be appropriate though.

Date: 2011/01/24 21:09:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Jan. 24 2011,20:31)
pearl clutching FTW.  for fucks sake have these dooshes never used the interwebz

Notice also how heddle has, in complaining about PZ trying to make it all about himself, set in motion making it all about heddle?

Date: 2011/01/25 17:16:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Jan. 25 2011,10:58)
Quote (MadPanda @ FCD,Jan. 25 2011,11:54)
Or you accept that the question is meaningless because you're quibbling over the impotence of a figment of imagination as described in a poorly edited compilation of myths.

I concur that heddle's attempt at an end run is the second answer dressed up in funny clothing.  He can't help it, though.  He's Calvinist.


The MadPanda, FCD

"Tooth Fairy Science"
How has the amount of money left by the Tooth Fairy kept up with inflation?

The secret is volume.

Date: 2011/01/26 12:35:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (utidjian @ Jan. 26 2011,12:12)
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 26 2011,10:52)
PaV does physics

Oh my that is some rich tard.

So, umm... apparently Maxwell's Demon is Jesus, or something?

-DU-

PaV should worry more about Morton's Demon than Maxwell's.

Date: 2011/01/27 18:46:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 27 2011,17:19)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 27 2011,18:16)
Quote (Wolfhound @ Jan. 27 2011,12:00)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 27 2011,11:45)
if you are looking callously use the other hand.  or some lotion

Aw, c'mon, now.  Louis doesn't need to use that stuff.  He's married, you know, and...oh...wait...nevermind.

Erm, as you were...

That's what married means.  You sleep together, but you can't get none.

That's not true. The good lady wife and I engaged in conjugal unpleasantness quite recently. Twenty eight months ago to be precise. I now have a nineteen month old son. You don't think we will be doing it again do you? Look what happened last time! Gadzooks, it's positively un-British!

Louis

Just wait.  My girls (2 and nearly 5) have reached the age when they develop an uncanny knack for interrupting any and all attempts at intimacy.  First, they are very careful never to nap at the same time.  If you try the middle of the night, they wake up and crawl in the bed.  If you try the middle of the afternoon, they find a way to get sent home from daycare.   The only option is to call up family/friends and beg them to take the little darlings for twenty minutes (cause it's all about her needs right?).

Date: 2011/01/28 17:11:34, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 28 2011,05:26)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 27 2011,22:16)
   
Quote (dvunkannon @ Jan. 27 2011,07:57)
     
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 26 2011,06:38)
Man, Gordon is really outdoing himself in his last two postings, ID Foundations 2 - Counterflow and [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/id-foundations-3-irreducible-complexity-as-concept-as-fact-as-macro-evolution-obstacle-and


-as-sign-of-design/]ID Foundations 3[/URL].

It's not so much that the OP for '-3' is six pages long or that the bottom of the page says "[Continues here]", it's that when you go to "here", you get another eight pages of drivel.

Now THAT is tard!

Even worse, I have a sick feeling that if I was to look even farther back into the tardpile I would find entry -1 in the series.

The amazing thing to me is that KF soldiers on with his FIASCO musings, with never a response fom DDrr.., positive of negative. Does KF realize that he is not taken seriously by the man he tries to emulate?

he wears a sweater and makes Flash in a closet?

The Dr. Dr. is well known for being unable to spot cranks and crankish ideas (Christopher Langan and his Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU), Faith Healers, the Bible Code, Intelligent Design) but I think that even he can spot a Gordon Mullings sized loonie.

But the GEM of TKI has developed a ingenious method of camouflage.  It conceals itself behind tens thousands of words that no one can read without passing out from a cerebral hemorrhage.  It also uses a thick cloud of the smoke of burning strawmen soaked in the oil of ad hominem to blur the vision of its prey until it is close enough to grapple them.

Date: 2011/02/01 17:35:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 01 2011,10:09)
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I produce computer simulations using what is arguably the most sophisticated Finite Element Analysis program


Not to brag or anything, but I produce images using what is arguably the most sophisticated image editing program ever written.

Not to brag or anything, but I once calculated the gravitational force between two objects using one of the most sophisticated equations ever designed.

Date: 2011/02/05 20:08:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 05 2011,19:15)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 05 2011,18:39)
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs....di.html

 
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According to The Times of India, an Indian NGO called Janhit Manch had filed the public interest litigation. But as the Supreme Court of India has already ruled that astrology is a science, the High Court dismissed the case:

So far as prayer related to astrology is concerned, the Supreme Court has already considered the issue and ruled that astrology is a science. The Court had in 2004 also directed the universities to consider if astrology science can be added to the syllabus. The decision of the apex court is binding on this court

I think I'm going to start with the 'and what use is it?' mode of attacking mysticism.

It's an excellent tool for fleecing the rubes.

Date: 2011/02/08 17:38:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 08 2011,10:19)
Nature of Nature is the book to get … right now! - O'Leary
 
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If Bill, and senior editor Bruce Gordon,  had just been willing to swallow the Darwinade ladled out to them, they could be pontificating today from some secure chair.

... and not to loose another job, Bill swallowed Noah's flood.

Is that where all the water went?

Date: 2011/02/09 17:10:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 09 2011,15:51)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 09 2011,15:47)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 09 2011,15:37)
I've invited them over here

We'll see if they come

I dropped Dr. Wesley Elsberry's name, not as one who invited, but as one of the founders of this and Talk Origins

"Curse their mothers' wombs"?

I like MILFs

I made a thread and invited them too.

The MILFs?  I didn't know this was that kind of forum.

I was under the impression that this is exactly that kind of forum.  <Insert comment about carlson's/Louis's/Arden's mom>

Date: 2011/02/09 21:17:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 09 2011,18:05)
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 09 2011,17:07)
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DNA is not a coded language.

Yeah, that's just an analogy. It might or might not help somebody just learning the subject, but doesn't hold up too well when going into technical details.

I'd love see this moron conjugate an ERV.

Maybe he could describe where the punctuation is.

I'm not sure that would be a good idea.  ERV is not a young woman to trifle with.

Date: 2011/02/10 17:02:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 10 2011,11:14)
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and amphibians in the southeast US.


Did you misidentify Newt Gingrich again?

He got better.

Date: 2011/02/10 17:06:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 10 2011,12:59)
Sal makes a mindless argument:

 
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   It's not reasonable to assume that minute quantities of amino acids could ever fuel the origin of life.

   Larry Moraun [sic]



 
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Err, not even LARGE quantities of amino acids. Take a dead and decaying Elephant. Anyone care to specualte whether novel life will emerge out the massive quantities of homo-chiral amino acids in a decaying elephant? So why the belief that a few amno acids can spawn life if a large amount cannot? Answer (to the question of such dogged belief): the priority of the mindless OOL paradigm!


Larry Moran's argument is about the chemistry of linking amino acids.

amino 1 + amino 2  equilibrium arrows water plus dipeptide

dilute soup, lots of water, by leChatelier's principle equilibrium shifts left to individual amino acids.

concentrated amino acids, equilibrium shifts right to form peptide bonds.   High enough concentrations in the ocean are implausible.

Nor is a uniform concentration and temperature expected (equilibrium).  Nor are prebiotic conditions to be even remotely similar to a dead elephant, hence chemical reactions would be different.

I wonder if the precursors to a new type of life have ever started to form, only to be devoured by some passing bacterium?

Date: 2011/02/10 17:14:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 10 2011,14:36)
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 10 2011,11:47)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 10 2011,16:16)
LOL@Joe
   
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I would say Dr Minnich's numbers stack up very well when compared to those others in the field of evolutionary biology.

How many of those evolutionary biologists have published papers that support their position? Hint- Not one…

I wonder, could we get a paper copy of each journal article on the subject of evolutionary biology and smack Joe around the head with them one at a time.

Oh I grant that being smacked by one paper is not going to be massive, I'm just thinking of the cumulative effect of being whacked with a reasonably sized library verrrrry slowly might help the numbnuts with his clue blindness.

Louis

Not to mention the amazing work that a good bleeding can accomplish.  Paper cuts should work better in this instance than leeches.

You could try ticks.  If you can get them off the watermelons. ;)

Date: 2011/02/14 17:14:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
My two best exam failures:

The first was Freshman year of college.  I was taking the second semester of calculus (I'd tested out of the 1st).  I was having trouble making it to that class at 8 am every day, and hadn't been in a week.  Showed up and was handed a test.  Not my best work.


The second was in grad school.  PhD comprehensive exams involved passing 5 out of 10 exams.  Some professors gave a long list of references, others only one (and you had to track down anything else relevant).  This particular one was over some analytic chemistry topic that I can't remotely remember now.  I knew I didn't really get it, but figured what the hell.  When I got there it was all detailed memory questions on a couple of articles rather that big concepts (what I'd tried, unsuccessfully, to study).  I stared at it hopelessly for about ten minutes, then decided to enjoy my Saturday and turned it in blank.

Date: 2011/02/17 17:30:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 17 2011,14:36)
This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30
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Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
I can hardly wait.

I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?

Date: 2011/02/17 21:38:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 17 2011,18:16)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 17 2011,17:30)
Quote (Sol3a1 @ Feb. 17 2011,14:36)
This is from one of the human sock puppets of "toobsucker" to another "evilutionist" named CamW30  
Quote
Next week I may send you a I.M. with ALL the "peer reviewed" literature that? falsifies your theory as well as your atheistic logic
I can hardly wait.

I wonder if it would fit in a tweet?

It'd fit inside the spaces between a proton and neutron.

Which were obviously designed to hold just that information.  Waterlooooooo!!!!1!!111oneone!!!

Date: 2011/02/22 21:17:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 22 2011,16:38)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 22 2011,21:35)
EvoTards are having such a difficult time with information I hd to find out why. So I disguised myself by going to a local library and setting up an account from which I could start posting on forums as an die-hard atheistic evolutionist.

I bet he went in with a little moustache and everything....

:D

Kris?

Date: 2011/02/27 13:15:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 27 2011,11:16)
Quote (xjustice2 @ Feb. 26 2011,13:40)
well, then we're GOING TO KICK SOME HEADS IN....

Okay, so, it has been almost 24 hours since this statement was made. Anybody had their heads kicked in?

My sinuses are bothering me just a little bit.  Does that count?

Date: 2011/02/27 18:45:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 27 2011,18:14)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 27 2011,13:46)
Are extremophiles our direct ancestors? Are we Archaeans?

The tree of life website http://tolweb.org/Life_on_Earth/1 indicates that eukaryotes (don't ask me how to pronounce that) are closer to archaea than they are to bacteria.

There is (or at least was when that web page was last updated) disagreement over whether eukaryotes are closer to one kind of archaea than to another kind of it.

Henry

You-carry-oats.

Date: 2011/03/02 17:28:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 02 2011,09:35)
Bonus (Joe) Tard:

http://telicthoughts.com/blind-c....-265841

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Good day to you, sir. What orthodox evolutionary framework would that be? This finding fits neatly within baraminology, which is an evolutionary framework. It also fits in neatly with front loaded evolution. So could you please clarify what you are saying?

Also there isn't anything in the theory of evolution that states take two isoate populations, have random effects cause different damage to the same body part, mate the two populations and have that once damaged body part rgain its original functin.

So please, sir, explain yor comment.


Comment by ID guy — March 2, 2011 @ 11:15 am


Hmmm. Aborigines and Eskimos can't have babies then.

Please, sir, explain why you are so stupid. DO IT STANDING UP!

Also, explain PYGMIES+DWARFS!!!!!!!

Date: 2011/03/07 17:17:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 07 2011,13:29)
O'Leary writes:

 
Quote
Would PZ Myers like to try desecrating the Koran, as he did a Catholic host (communion wafer)?

Mmm. That’s what I thought. “Transgressive” is fun when no one hits back. The Catholic Church didn’t, nor will David Brooks.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-islam

Can some of the unbanned correct her?

Fatwa envy, Denyse?  Come on.  We expect better* from you.


* Better TARD.  That stuff's weak even for her.  It's like watching Babe Ruth bunt.

Date: 2011/03/09 17:19:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
It's no wonder we can't get proper evolution taught here in Texas: the local middle school doesn't realize you can't tell kids to please have a bible.  That's not my district, but it is the same district where my kids will end up.


ps PZ's response on scienceblogs troubles. Short answer: DDoS.

Date: 2011/03/09 17:35:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 09 2011,11:06)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 09 2011,11:00)
ogre a full account of the information in those particles would also include the full material history of their interactions with other particles since the beginning of time and/or the particle.

what a pile of shit k.e.. got that shit right

Not if you are making the particles right then.

I don't think even that matters.  It's like figuring out the potential energy in the sandwich. You don't have to know where it's been, only what it's doing/where it is right now.  There's a term for that sort of thing which, I'm embarrassed to say, eludes me for the moment.

Date: 2011/03/12 19:40:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 12 2011,19:22)
This guy isn't only pathetic, he's worse.  He's BORING...

Yawn, somebody wake me when he quits hiding behind his mommy's skirts.

You think someone talking about cutting people's heads off (and some crap about cornfields) would be interesting.  It's got the bones of a good crazy loon.  But he never fleshes it out.  There's no plot.  How is going to finish us?  Cut off our heads himself?  Does he have followers?  Minions?  Flying monkeys?  Details!

Date: 2011/03/13 14:12:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Pilchard @ Mar. 13 2011,13:48)
In said interview, she offers the startling proof of free will:
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About free will, I only say, if you really did not have free will, you wouldn’t be asking. Think about it: How would you know such a thing as free will existed if it is not a fact about something, and if it is a fact about something, why not about you? You thought of it, after all.

...

Yeah.

Sounds like Denyse has been snacking on the local Canadian mushrooms.

Date: 2011/03/15 08:43:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2011,22:51)
The Fox News affiliate, Ch. 35, in Florida pulled a fast one with a poll they ran.

See Brandon's description of the report process and the sneaky tactic they used to game their own poll.

PZ sent his hordes after it before the switch.

Date: 2011/03/15 08:53:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Maybe Joe thinks we're genetically pre-programmed to know things when god the termites the designer wanted us to know them.  Is that it Joe?

Date: 2011/03/22 18:19:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday!

Date: 2011/03/23 18:14:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 23 2011,14:36)
Speaking of which: we're coming up on the halfway point for Teh Death of Evolution, courtesy of Kill Bill Dembski.

We totally need a countdown clock here at AtBC so we can build up the proper anticipation for our imminent Waterloo.

Date: 2011/03/24 17:54:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (REC @ Mar. 24 2011,09:48)
Joseph:

Quote
MathGrrl: Please provide a mathematically rigorous method for creating a specification…

I don’t know if I should laugh or cry- that is just so stupidly sad.

When engineers design something do you think they use an equation for formulating their design specifications?



When Joe engineered his super, watermelon-based tick traps (coming soon to late night infomercial near you!) he didn't need any stinking equations.

Date: 2011/03/25 19:00:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Is it possible that Denyse is allowing all this because she really believes someone will prove Mathgrrl wrong?  Maybe she's getting just a little nervous that it has happened quickly?  Now she needs to see Mathgrrl refuted rather than summarily dismissed, because deep down Denyse knows she'll start to doubt?

Date: 2011/03/26 19:49:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 26 2011,17:41)
Fortunately it's back in time for this:

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Finally, if anyone is deluded into thinking that ID is premised on the level of mathematical rigor that can be applied to CSI (particularly in regard to satifying the personable belief system of an implaccable opponent) they know nothing at all about ID.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-375185

They may not be providing details, but they certainly are pathetic.

Date: 2011/04/06 17:48:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ April 06 2011,10:37)
Quote (MichaelJ @ April 06 2011,01:39)
Interesting given that one of the Mythbusters is a skeptic who has on occasion said that ID/Creationism is a load of crap.

I think it's clear they're all skeptics (though they're not all atheists as well), it's just that Adam Savage, as per his personality, actually attends skeptic events and likes to talk about it.  It's funny, because he did say this at one of those events back in 2007:

 
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My goal this year is to prove natural selection on the show. It's gonna take a while, it's gonna be very hard to make it fascinating on film in the context of our narrative structure, but I figure screw it. The sky's the limit. Let's do natural selection. I'm sick of fifty percent of this country thinking creationism is reasonable. It's appalling. And I have the unique ability, maybe, to sell this idea to Discovery, and they'll, they might allow me to do it, and I'm gonna try as hard as I can.


A year later he said it wasn't looking likely to ever happen. Which I find kind of strange, since Discovery has no problem talking about evolution in who-knows-how-many hours of their other programming.  I guess the show's style made them nervous about such topics though.

Kari Byron is on record as an atheist as well

Date: 2011/04/06 18:43:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 05 2011,23:45)
Gil displays a little irritation at the way the “Atheists Don’t Have No Songs” comments are heading:
     
Quote
BACK ON TOPIC:

...because he wants to say something he hasn't said before...
     
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I just got back from a rehearsal at our church playing piano with the many talented musicians in our worship team, in preparation for next Sunday’s service. This is such a joyful and life-enriching experience (which the atheist will never comprehend or experience), not just for the praise music but for the fellowship among us. At every rehearsal we have a time of prayer and share our personal lives and struggles with each other.

As a former Dawkins-style atheist I can offer the following observations: Atheism is hopelessly irrational and illogical. It is soul destroying.

...for at least a week.

That reminds me of a joke I once saw at camp as a kid:

 
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Why don't Unitarians sing?

Because we're too busy reading ahead to see if we agree with the lyrics.



As for the bright side of being an atheist:

You don't have to worry about making it home for the start of the football game.

edited because I haz mad typing skillz

Date: 2011/04/07 17:38:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (noncarborundum @ April 06 2011,21:24)
"God Rest Ye, Unitarians"
Lyrics by the Rev. Christopher Gist Raible of the First Unitarian Church of Worcester

[snip lyrics]

:)  Thanks for that.  My Dad will love it.  (And sing it very off key at every opportunity he gets.)

Date: 2011/04/07 21:18:45, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 07 2011,19:47)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 07 2011,13:17)
Ok, using someone else's pic as your avatar, whatever the reason, is tremendously ridiculous (and gay*). Poor little Joe is not worth the electrons I'm using right now.

Joe: go fuck yourself with a life-size poster of Hulk Hogan**




*not that there's anything wrong with that, beside what Joe and his hilk wants everybody to believe.

**Yeah, it's time for another round of "go fuck yourself with a..."


ETA: Can Joe ever discover my super dupper secret identity? Does he haz teh mad skillz?

FWIW, Joe's not gay.  Not really.  He lives by the old rule, "You're only gay if you're on the bottom."  

I know, I'm baiting.

Be careful:  Joe is the master of baiting.

Date: 2011/04/10 08:43:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (didymos @ April 10 2011,01:55)
StephenB:
Quote
There is no impasse. When atheism confronts reason, atheism loses. When irrationality confronts rationality, irrationality loses.


So, Stevie: tell us what happens when ID confronts reality? Say, just hypothetically of course, in some court case or something.

They mutually annihilate.  With enough energy released to keep UD up and running.

Date: 2011/04/12 17:37:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ April 12 2011,10:17)
Canada wouldn't be just one state, anyway - it does after all have ten provinces. ;)

(And it actually calls them provinces, not like in the U.S. of A. which insists on calling its provinces states, which they aren't, really.)

They are states*.  It says so right there in the name.  We don't chant U.P.A! U.P.A.! do we?  No.  QED.

* Except Texas, which is like a whole nother country. And shouldn't be messed with.

Date: 2011/04/14 22:31:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Design Inference? ET in East Texas

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"There is no animal that could cut it that perfect, no animal, so if it ain't a UFO what is it?" asked Don.


Proof the Designer is a fungus?  Or possibly fairies?

Date: 2011/04/18 17:15:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ April 18 2011,12:44)
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 18 2011,17:23)
Quote (Louis @ April 18 2011,10:50)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 18 2011,14:38)
[SNIP]

I didn't think Louis was that bad...

You sir win this week's "Damning with Faint Praise" Award. Collect your prize (a signed copy of Dembski's forthcoming autobiography "Why I have the Intellectual Integrity of a Pilchard") from the desk.

Louis

And if I come in second place, the prize is you reading it to me...

motivation to win.

No, the second prize is Denyse O'Leary reading it to you.

Naked.*

Louis

*That's her naked of course. You, well let's just say your own mere nudity would be a step up from what's happening to you. I don't want to go into details and disturb the children and horses, but it involves Gordon Mullings, some lube and an electric eel. It's ok, there's no need to thank me for those mental images.

I see the script for a summer blockbuster now:

Gordon E. Mullings (aka GEM of TKI) has a terrorist place a well lubed electric eel somewhere on his person.  The only way to keep it from shocking him is to keep typing.  Starring Gordo as himself, Joe G as the eel, Sandra Bullock as Mathgrrl., Topher Grace as Gil the Frill, and Randy Quaid as Denyse.

Date: 2011/04/19 17:35:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ April 18 2011,22:44)
Quote
Sandra Bullock as Mathgrrl.,

Just as long as it doesn't involve driving a bus...

Henry

A short one.

Date: 2011/04/20 19:00:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 20 2011,17:38)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 20 2011,17:57)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 20 2011,16:47)
   
Quote
After all, we're still the villains of Hollywood, typically.


Wrongo!

Since 9/11 and the refusal to get into Irak, France has been the evil nemesis in Hollywood. Master and Commander comes to mind (how to totaly twist a plot just so the bad guys are French, read the books, learn the history)...

Damn, we're lucky Roland Emerich did "The Patriot" before that whole mess, else the native americans would have suffered for our sins...

And Godzilla...

And yes, S2IGAF is afiliated (though in pretty incestual ways) to the DILIGAF foudation, but only through second degree cousins...



DEATH STAR

Size: Small moon
Population English

Affectation: Nazi

At least they weren't Illinois Nazis.  I hate Illinois Nazis.

Date: 2011/04/23 15:09:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
What I find most troubling/fascinating about Kwok is the fact that he keeps playing what he thinks is a trump card over and over as if the rest of the world can't read the ten previous times he's posted the same thing in that thread.  Dude, it's the inter-tubes, we can all see what you said, we just don't think it's as special as you think it is.  We also don't give a crap about you seeing Elton, or Dawkins, or anyone else after the first time you say it (and probably not even then).

Date: 2011/04/26 17:18:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 26 2011,14:49)
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 26 2011,14:42)
I predict that Joe is incapable of understanding the phrase used in the debate topic, and the debate will never resolve this issue.

Everyone knows JoeG will never change his mind.  I think he still doesn't accept that hail stones are made from water.

However, this should be a valuable resource.

Remember Joe, anything you say can and will be held against you... and posted... frequently.

Where are you going to find someone willing to hold anything against Joe?

Date: 2011/05/01 15:33:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday, guys, and remember:

If you cant be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with*.


*Unless it's the folks at UD.  Then you should just run.

Date: 2011/05/03 21:31:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr.GH @ May 03 2011,19:49)
Have you caught this one yet?

Quote
Now there's nothing wrong with marketing ideas--in fact, the intelligent design community, of which I'm a part, has done quite a bit of this and quite successfully. William A. Dembski, April 27, 2011


And what else have you assholes done besides marketing?

Technical advances in the field of farty-noises?

Date: 2011/05/11 17:13:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
In order to help Schroedinger's Dog and the rest of French feel more secure, I must share the following items from a fellow teacher.  He had assigned groups of his students (9th graders, so 14-15) to research a phylum of animals and teach the class.  Here are the assessment questions one group of kids came up with for sponges (all grammar and typos original):

 
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1. What is a sponge animal or plant
2. Is a sponge dangerous or harmful?
3. Is a sponge soft and smooth or hard and rough?
4. Are the eatable or not eatable?
5. How do they reproduce?
6. Are they asexual or sexual or both?
7. What type of habitat do they grow or live in underwater?
8. Can u catch them?
9. Can u cook them?
10. Will they die if you take them out of water or the ocean?
11.  Have gills sense they live in water?
12. Do they breathe or see?
13. Do they eat or taste?
14. How many different types are there?
15. Do they release toxins?
16. How many animals can a sponge hold in them?
17. How big is the largest sponge?
18. Do they digest there food?
19. what do the eat mostly?
20. how many sponges are found a year?


16 is my favorite.

Date: 2011/05/12 18:23:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fnxtr @ May 12 2011,00:26)
so anyway, the Canucks have an orca on their jerseys.

Orcas eat sharks.

Anyone a San Jose fan?

Blues fan here.  My poor team hasn't been any good since the strike. :(  The kids looked good to start the season, then cratered.

ETA: Congrats, Ogre!

Date: 2011/05/24 18:32:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Gilligan's Island is a good metaphor for the ID movement.  The Professor keeps inventing spectacular sounding ways to get off the island (i.e. waterloo for darwinism).  But every time Gilligan (the creationists) has to ruin it (by mentioning Jesus).  Meanwhile, the super-genius can't just fix the two foot hole in the boat (provide some evidence).

In this metaphor the Skipper is the Davescot of old, smacking the Gilligans with his hat.

Date: 2011/06/03 18:41:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 03 2011,16:59)
Quote (KCdgw @ June 03 2011,16:53)
Quote
Well, to be honest, I lived for 1.5 years in Warrensburg, MO


UCM (formerly known as CMSU)?

Yes, indeed.  Central Missouri State University, home of the Fighting Mules.  Where one can get a half-assed education.

I still have my student id card around here somewhere...

Small world.  My wife and I went to grad school at Mizzou.  Part of her doctoral research in anthropology was studying people at nearby SCA events.

Date: 2011/06/05 22:00:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (xjudgesx @ June 05 2011,20:39)
and girls, please keep your clothes on...

That should be a bannable offense right there.

Date: 2011/06/09 08:45:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (olegt @ June 08 2011,23:04)
Quote (Henry J @ June 08 2011,22:50)
Quote
Usually his ignorance is impermeable.

So educational assistance is futile?

Oh yeah.

Zachriel has tried for years to teach Joe about nested hierarchies, all in vain. Knowledge simply bounces off Joe's skull. Never penetrates.

Knowledge goes in, knowledge bounces off.  Never any communication.  You can't explain it.

Date: 2011/06/09 23:18:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ June 09 2011,23:11)
Quote (Ptaylor @ June 09 2011,22:04)
 
Quote (socle @ June 10 2011,10:47)
Denyse's latest

Can those people get anything right? Commenter NeilBJ has done some fact checking for the ace Canadian journalist:      
Quote
That was Eugenie Scott in the video, not Barbara Forrest.

No, they cannot get anything right. Evidence: GilMonster.
 
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I second BA77's admonition.

Did Batty make an admonition?
 
Quote
Of related interest:

William Lane Craig Leaves a Chair Open for Richard Dawkins (Mirror: Birdieupon) – video

 
Quote
ad·mo·ni·tion
1. An act or action of admonishing; authoritative counsel or warning
    - the old judge's admonition to the jury on this point was particularly weighty

Note to Gil:  Your improper use of admonition is indefensible.

Date: 2011/06/10 19:07:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 10 2011,16:40)
Uncommonly DeNews:
   
Quote
Expelled film to be sold due to bankruptcy?

...

Note: Re Expelled, this was rumoured. The site has not been serviced for some time. Hang on to your DVDs.)

This is news? Expelled was intellectually bankrupt the day it was released.

<I take no pride in this, but someone must do it>

The site isn't the only thing that hasn't been serviced for some time.

Date: 2011/06/13 15:04:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 13 2011,14:05)
Quote (noncarborundum @ June 13 2011,01:55)
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 13 2011,00:13)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 12 2011,22:17)
Ed Brayton's Self-promotion on the ocassion of Seve Gey's Death Reposted from PT


It’s with great sadness and not a few tears that I say goodbye to Steve Gey, someone I never met in person but who nonetheless had a huge influence on my life. Steve was a professor at the Florida State University law school and one of the preeminent First Amendment scholars in the country. He was one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs in Edwards v Aguillard, the case that ruled creation science out of public school science classrooms.

A little over 4 years ago, Steve was diagnosed with ALS, aka Lou Gehrig’s disease, and he had to give up teaching about a year later. He was, according to everyone I’ve ever talked to who took his course, one of the most inspiring teachers in the country. He was revered and adored by colleagues and students alike for his brilliance and his humanity.

Shortly after he was diagnosed with ALS I was able to arrange for him to receive the Friend of Darwin award from the National Center for Science Education. I called Glenn Branch to ask about it and he said that the board had, in fact, just voted unanimously to give him that award but they hadn’t yet found a venue in which to give it to him (they typically like to ambush people who win the award and give it to them when they don’t expect it).

I told Glenn I knew of the perfect time to do it. A group of his students were running a triathlon a few days later to raise money for ALS research in his name and they were going to be having a banquet afterwards. The NCSE rushed the award down to a friend of mine, who was one of Steve’s students and dearest friends. She was so happy to be able to present that award to him.

The country has lost one of its finest teachers and one of its most powerful advocates for civil liberties. And a great many people have lost a man who inspired them.

The self promotion I can pretty much deal with (he's less noxious that Kwokpot) but I do find that the crap posts about friggin' felines all the frackin' time make his blog nigh unreadable.  

Damn, I need some Chinese food...

Does he post about felines all the time?  I must say I haven't noticed that.

Literally all the time?  No.  Multiple times a week?  Yes.  The new anti-canine post was over the top and I am outraged!  OUTRAGED I TELLZ U!!11!!!!

psst, Wolfhound.  That's Jerry Coyne, not Ed Brayton.

Date: 2011/06/15 10:45:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 15 2011,09:05)
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 13 2011,16:04)
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 13 2011,14:05)
 
Quote (noncarborundum @ June 13 2011,01:55)
 
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 13 2011,00:13)
   
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 12 2011,22:17)
Ed Brayton's Self-promotion on the ocassion of Seve Gey's Death Reposted from PT


It’s with great sadness and not a few tears that I say goodbye to Steve Gey, someone I never met in person but who nonetheless had a huge influence on my life. Steve was a professor at the Florida State University law school and one of the preeminent First Amendment scholars in the country. He was one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs in Edwards v Aguillard, the case that ruled creation science out of public school science classrooms.

A little over 4 years ago, Steve was diagnosed with ALS, aka Lou Gehrig’s disease, and he had to give up teaching about a year later. He was, according to everyone I’ve ever talked to who took his course, one of the most inspiring teachers in the country. He was revered and adored by colleagues and students alike for his brilliance and his humanity.

Shortly after he was diagnosed with ALS I was able to arrange for him to receive the Friend of Darwin award from the National Center for Science Education. I called Glenn Branch to ask about it and he said that the board had, in fact, just voted unanimously to give him that award but they hadn’t yet found a venue in which to give it to him (they typically like to ambush people who win the award and give it to them when they don’t expect it).

I told Glenn I knew of the perfect time to do it. A group of his students were running a triathlon a few days later to raise money for ALS research in his name and they were going to be having a banquet afterwards. The NCSE rushed the award down to a friend of mine, who was one of Steve’s students and dearest friends. She was so happy to be able to present that award to him.

The country has lost one of its finest teachers and one of its most powerful advocates for civil liberties. And a great many people have lost a man who inspired them.

The self promotion I can pretty much deal with (he's less noxious that Kwokpot) but I do find that the crap posts about friggin' felines all the frackin' time make his blog nigh unreadable.  

Damn, I need some Chinese food...

Does he post about felines all the time?  I must say I haven't noticed that.

Literally all the time?  No.  Multiple times a week?  Yes.  The new anti-canine post was over the top and I am outraged!  OUTRAGED I TELLZ U!!11!!!!

psst, Wolfhound.  That's Jerry Coyne, not Ed Brayton.

You are, of course, correct.  I tend to look at Ed, Jerry, and PZ's blogs in succession and stupidly confused Ed and Jerry's even though they look similar in no way whatsoever.  Derp-a-derp-derp-derp.

Sorry about that.  I clearly need to drink less.  Or more, depending.

But my annoyance with the feline nonsense on Jerry's blog still stands.  *shakes fist*

I'm not feeling terribly charitable towards felines at the moment.  My cat, Schrodinger, has delivered us a batch of fleas.  We are now engaged in extensive chemical warfare with them.  Those who point out that the humans and not the cat are responsible for keeping up to date on his flea treatment should stop assembling strawmen soaked in the oil of ad hominem and help me kill the little bastards.  <Wonders if flaming oil of ad hominem kills fleas>

Date: 2011/06/15 18:40:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Woodbine @ June 15 2011,18:17)
Flipping channels for a moment to JAD-tv.....
   
Quote
To give all my hundreds of readers some idea of what we are up against, I just discovered that all Bank of England 10 pound notes bear the image of Charles Darwin autographed by Richard Dawkins. No wonder Myers, Dawkins and Elsberry ignore us. After all, they have the British Government behind them. All we have is the testimony of the experimental laboratory and the entire fossil record.

http://jadavison.wordpress.com/2008....nt-3397

Granting for a moment that Javison actually has hundreds of readers (as opposed to VMartin hundreds of times), I'd argue that they are intimately familiar with what he's up against, as they are folks like us there for the lulz.

Date: 2011/06/18 21:59:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ June 17 2011,22:37)
People, I have become one of those atheists who had to call the police on my neighbors tonight (this after consulting with two attorneys in the past week), and now must get a restraining order, due to almost four years of harassment after I moved in with Rev. Barky.

I have become a statistic.  ???

ETA - It isn't just the atheism - frankly I think if we were Episcopalians or Buddhists these cretins would still be screaming at us and throwing things into our yard. But the fact of us not being married; not having kids; liking Arabic music and dance; not being "normal," etc., etc., which I guess means not weighing a million pounds and driving to Booger Fling for supper, makes us "the problem." *Sigh*

It was Casey Luskin and Barry Arrington wasn't it?  Shrewd move on your part.  Just send those two over there with a note:

"Leave us alone or they stay"

Date: 2011/06/19 18:05:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Woodbine @ June 19 2011,17:50)
Quote (lkeithlu @ June 19 2011,22:39)
...and it was left unchallenged. Now, I see, I can't even log into ID. Have they changed their format?

No, they're still twats.

POTW!

Date: 2011/06/23 17:41:28, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ June 23 2011,14:50)
I read somewhere that people don't really change as they get older; they become more of what they were.  The generous become more generous, the annoying become more annoying.

DrDr is becoming a bigger ass.

Fortunately he has an enormous sweater he can use to help conceal it.

Date: 2011/06/23 20:33:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
My five year old daughter just presented me with some impeccable logic.  She was talking to me about things in movies not being real, like we've discussed several times.  She then told me she was going to have to tell her friend at pre-school that Justin Bieber isn't a real person.  I decided not to argue with that assessment.

Date: 2011/06/30 09:47:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 29 2011,23:38)
I heard something about the first hurricane of the season in the Atlantic today and that got me to thinking of vast bouts of hot air and that got me to thinking:

Does anybody know when "Gordon" will be up for a hurricane name?

It's up next year for the Atlantic.

Date: 2011/07/01 17:01:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ July 01 2011,16:49)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 01 2011,16:43)
Gordo:
   
Quote
Somebody out there on the other side should have enough sense out there to know that you don’t cross a nuke tripwire line.

They just did.

Tard.

Fuck. Apparently Gordo has been busy in the basement after all and he's been building nuclear mines!

Given his domicile in a UK Overseas Territory, this admission may have the effect of further activating UK and international action!

Pass the popcorn!

I think that means that we have to activate our UK Man - AGENT LOUIS...


If that's Louis, shouldn't it be a sheep?  And perhaps Welsh?

Date: 2011/07/02 08:37:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (paragwinn @ July 02 2011,07:39)
Dr. Liddle explaining hypothesis testing and the EF to the UDers.
What would be an appropriate comparison to Dr. Liddle:
1. Annie Sullivan (of Helen Keller fame)
2. Mary Poppins
3. Dr. Doolittle

From the UDer perspecitive, could she be:
1. Klaatu
2. Black Monolith (of Kubrick's 2001 fame)
3. Morpheus (of The Matrix fame)

From the UD perspective, I think she's a certain snake with a message about apples.

Date: 2011/07/03 11:44:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday, Rich.  We got you a discussion of how to find good porn on the internet (hint: don't google "_'s* mum") over on the UD thread.

*insert the name of poster or posters of your choice here

Date: 2011/07/08 18:42:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Robin @ July 08 2011,15:10)
Damn! I clearly missed all the fun while away! Case in point, the whole 'Gordon Can't Stop Talking 'bout Porn' bit. Fiddlestix! Such an opportunity for silliness missed.  :angry:

One quickie belated response:

   
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 02 2011,18:28)
Funny thing is, the only grand total of nudity on my photography web site?

Three nipples, one belongs to a woman (the "young girl" in question) who is 23, another who is mid-twenties, and the other to a woman who is 40ish, all quite over the age of consent for such things, and none that anyone with half a brain would label as "pornography".


Umm...just WOW! Gordo must not get off Montserrat very often. Is he completely unaware of all the topless, nevermind nude, beaches next to (if not on) his tiny island? What does he think they are? Porn sets?

Fixed that for you.

Date: 2011/07/08 18:49:02, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ July 08 2011,15:49)
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 08 2011,11:57)
Yep.  Of course by that logic he can't prove that anyone other than him and his mom even exists.

...and he's not so sure about her...

Someone washes his clothes, so it must either be her or it must happen by chance.  And we all know what Joe thinks the likelihood of that is.

Date: 2011/07/18 17:24:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
In case there's anyone here who doesn't read there too, Jerry Coyne posted a link to the review for King James Bible at Amazon.  Apparently the reality-based community got there early and often.

Date: 2011/07/18 17:33:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 18 2011,16:33)
House Husband from Texas:

http://www.digitpress.com/library....er.html

He neglected to mention, while describing the work on his property, the anti-clown fortifications.  I guess he had to weigh the value of deterrence vs. the element of surprise.

Date: 2011/07/18 18:17:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I just got the following via email:
Quote
Dear Science Educator:

Here is the latest information from TEA regarding our Supplemental Science Materials Adoption:

The final recommendations of the Commissioner of Education regarding instructional materials offered for adoption under the Request for Supplemental Science Materials are posted on the TEA website. The document is available at http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=2147487077.


The State Board of Education is scheduled to take action regarding the adoption of supplemental science materials at its meeting on July 20-22. More information about the State Board of Education meeting is available at http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index3.aspx?id=1156 .


I thought some of you might want to comb through those and/or pass them along to those who need to.

Date: 2011/07/18 18:29:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 18 2011,18:18)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 18 2011,17:59)
Thomas Cudworth on his 'Why Were So Many Darwin Defenders No-Shows at the World’s Premier Evolutionary Conference?' thread:
     
Quote
...When Eugenie Scott, in public debate with David Berlinksi[sic], was asked the question how many morphological changes would be needed to turn a land mammal into a whale, she flew into a rage (literally). ...

Anyone here know where and when this debate occurred?

ETA - Unexpectedly, Gordon E Mullings of Montserrat has asked the same question.

Genie is about the nicest person I know. The notion that Genie in any fashion "flew into a rage" would need some strong evidential backing before I'd give it a nanosecond's worth of consideration.

And I've seen the "Firing Line" debate from 1997.

I wonder how many morphological changes would be necessary to turn a human female into a raging creature capable of (literal) flight.

Date: 2011/07/19 08:48:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fnxtr @ July 18 2011,22:01)
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2011,16:17)
I just got the following via email:
   
Quote
Dear Science Educator:

Here is the latest information from TEA regarding our Supplemental Science Materials Adoption:

The final recommendations of the Commissioner of Education regarding instructional materials offered for adoption under the Request for Supplemental Science Materials are posted on the TEA website. The document is available at http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index2.aspx?id=2147487077.


The State Board of Education is scheduled to take action regarding the adoption of supplemental science materials at its meeting on July 20-22. More information about the State Board of Education meeting is available at http://www.tea.state.tx.us/index3.aspx?id=1156 .


I thought some of you might want to comb through those and/or pass them along to those who need to.

I just get the "agency news" page with no mention of said materials. Site search on "supplemental science materials" just returns the "agency news" page

Weird.  Let me try that again:

here

Date: 2011/07/19 10:25:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 19 2011,10:11)
Mr. Frill needs to watch out. He bragged his threads were the most popular, but it is obvious that the only threads worth reading at UD are those where someone like Liddle manages to survive for a few rounds.

The trick seems to involve not letting KF and the other trolls goad you into retaliation.

Imagine the outrage if Liddle responded to the hormone taunt with an estimation of Mung's dick size.

Imagine the damage to the fabric of the universe if the UD moderators actually disciplined their own.

My guess is she built up an immunity to goading and stupidity from years sparring with afdave over on talk rational.

Date: 2011/07/19 15:13:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fnxtr @ July 19 2011,14:03)
 
Quote (Henry J @ July 19 2011,11:49)
 
Quote
(A)  analyze and evaluate how evidence of common ancestry among groups is provided by the fossil record, biogeography, and homologies, including anatomical, molecular, and developmental;  "

In detail, or just an overview? Brief overview I could do; details would require studying.

Like a 16-year-old would have the skill set for this.

Actually, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with that part of the standard as written.  The analyze and evaluate are standard "Bloom's taxonomy" jargon that are overused, but not intrinsically bad.  It's really asking that the kids can pull together the various types of evidence for common descent and explain why it makes a good case.  Listing the types of evidence is a way to force the teachers to cover all of the items (thus the "including" (which we've been told means must) rather than the phrase "such as" (which means may)).  

The problem with the standard is that there will be some teachers who still won't follow it or who give it a day or two at best.  Also, the old TAKS standardized test would rarely have more than one question on evolution, and they tended to be things you could answer without much background.  So there was no real "penalty" for teachers that taught no evolution or even anti-evolution because their students still got decent scores.  

This year we move to the end of course exams in biology and the hope/fear is that they will be much more rigorous.  We teachers haven't had much information yet about what it will look like.  I can say that my physics students who took a field test of the physics EOC told me it covered everything we'd done last year plus some things we hadn't.  The physics test also will have a 3 page formula chart as compared to 3/4 of a page for all three sciences on the old TAKS exam.  If the questions on the biology test actually test some real understanding of evolutionary theory, it will be very interesting to see what happens in schools that haven't been teaching it.

Date: 2011/07/19 22:30:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ July 19 2011,21:26)
Quote
What a disgusting example of ignorance and intolerance by darwinists. I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. As someone who engages in debates with said people on a daily basis, I have come to learn they are all hype and no substance...just like their 'theory.' They know the evidence refutes it, which is why they resort to name-calling and intimidation tactics to convince people that it's true. Unfortunately for them, not all of us are intimidated by them and are not afraid to ask questions and demand answers. I commend Jonathan for advocating and defending I.D.

It's CLEAR to see which side is about intellectual and academic freedom.


On a daily basis yet! Holy crap! I can imagine how much fun this person is. :)

Oh, the evidence "refutes it," does it? Hrm. Hmmm... Ha ha ha hahahahaha! Is that name calling?

Are those being debated atheists on a daily basis?*


*Does anyone else miss the halcyon days when creationists came to visit us here?

Date: 2011/07/20 14:00:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ July 20 2011,11:52)
Quote (olegt @ July 20 2011,11:42)
Cornelius shows up in the comments section. He still doesn't have a clue.

Cornelius will get it when pigs sing.

Only if you can provide a complete mutation by mutation description of the morphological changes between non-singing pigs and singing pigs.

Date: 2011/07/21 08:44:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (fusilier @ July 21 2011,07:23)
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 21 2011,01:07)
TARD FIGHT!!  THREE WAY TARD FIGHT!!!

{snippididoodah}

This may be cruel of me, but I'd like to give Dembski, Hanegraff and Ham guns just to see what happens.

No firearms, please, think of the innocent bystanders!

I'm in favor of period-appropriate weaponry:

With the soundtrack being the classic music from the Star Trek episode "Amok Time".

Date: 2011/07/25 18:42:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ July 25 2011,17:06)
Quote (Henry J @ July 25 2011,23:05)
Quote (George @ July 25 2011,10:40)
 
Quote (Louis @ July 25 2011,11:25)
   
Quote (Henry J @ July 25 2011,16:17)
Well that was elementy.

Element-Ar-y surely?

Louis

Please tell me this isn't going to be another one of those 244Pu cascades.

Things like this do get put on the table periodically.

Sometimes people quit the thread over them, sometimes by accident, but others Mendeleev.*

Louis

*I am unfortunately very proud of this pun. I need to get out more.

Applause.  When opportunities like that arise you should always cesium.  To critique your efforts would require a lot a gallium.  Indium conclusion, sulfur not those who find puns off topic, for they are, in fact, germanium.

Date: 2011/07/27 15:05:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 27 2011,13:57)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 27 2011,19:35)
Quote (Louis @ July 27 2011,12:28)
We British ARE the smartest people on the planet. I have proof!

We sent all the religious loons to America, the convicts to Australia and gave our Empire away to foreigners.

QED

No no, don't thank me.

Louis

*cough, cough* Can't even operate a simple tool *cough, cough*


Common misconception. It turns out the brits have the healthiest teeth in the world (true, go check, google is your friend). They just don't give a fuck as much as others do about crooked teeth. Some do, some don't. Personnaly, I find a slighlty (very slightly, mind you) crooked dentition on a girl to be uber sexy.

Sue me!

Deviant!  Be careful or someone might compare you to a pedophile.

Date: 2011/07/27 18:04:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Patrick @ July 27 2011,17:16)
Elizabeth Liddle summarizes the core flaw of all ID creationist big number calculations in two succinct comments.
Quote
The question is not (I would argue): “how likely is this pattern (say, a living cell) to have happened by chance at least once given the entire number of events in this universe?”, but rather: “given what has happened in this universe so far, how likely is this pattern (this living cell) to have arisen?”

And to calculate that, we need to know something of the contingencies that led to that point.

Dembski’s CSI concept does not even attempt to estimate this. And, I’d argue, that this is exactly what evolutionary biologists attempt to discover!

Followed by
Quote
Yes, we do have to “go on the basis of the laws of chemistry and physics” but they are a given in this universe.

The probablity of life given all possible physicses and chemistries may be very low. But the probability of life given this physics and chemistry might be quite high.

Dembski seems to be saying that confronted with something like a living cell, we can infer that it did not come by a series of independent random events.

Which nobody claims.

What people claim is that it came about through a series of highly dependent – contingent- events. Just as, given the constants of this universe, iron was virtually inevitable, life may also have been virtually inevitable.

If I remember correctly, Elsberry and Shallit noted this back in 2003 and a number of people, including MathGrrl, have pointed it out since then.  Perhaps Lizzie will be the one who manages to get the UD denizens to understand it.

Hey, a guy's gotta have dreams....

Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Why am I the only one who has that dream?

Date: 2011/07/27 23:32:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ July 27 2011,22:23)
Yeah, there is a point of diminishing returns.

OTOH, it is more fun than having exchanges with Joe.

Exchanges with Joe...I agree

Exchanges about Joe...depends on whether there are watermelons, ice, and/or sandwiches involved.

Date: 2011/07/27 23:38:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 27 2011,23:18)
Louis:  
Quote
We sent all the religious loons to America, the convicts to Australia and gave our Empire away to foreigners.

So Australia had first choice then?

But now they've started exporting loons, both religious (see Ham, Ken) and criminal (see Murdoch, Rupert) back.  What now English smart people?

Date: 2011/07/29 14:15:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ July 29 2011,13:56)
Wouldn't examining that Venn diagram only tell you the thoughts of whoever drew the diagram in the first place?

We can't know the thoughts of the Diagramer.

Date: 2011/08/04 09:14:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 03 2011,17:50)
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 03 2011,15:49)
Man arrested for trying to split atoms in his kitchen.
 
Quote
Handl, 31, said he had tried for months to set up a nuclear reactor at home and kept a blog about his experiments, describing how he created a small meltdown on his stove.

Only later did he realise it might not be legal and sent a question to Sweden’s Radiation Authority, which answered by sending the police.

“I have always been interested in physics and chemistry,” Handl said, adding he just wanted to “see if it’s possible to split atoms at home”.

The police raid took place in late July, but police have refused to comment. If convicted, Handl could face fines or up to two years in prison.

Although he says police didn’t detect dangerous levels of radiation in his apartment, he now acknowledges the project wasn’t such a good idea.

“From now on, I will stick to the theory,” he said.

Filthy Darwinist! :)

THis happened in the US a few years ago.  A kid built a fusion reactor in his garage out of old laser barcode scanners and other e-bay finds.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission came out, looked at it, and certified it.  

He was a high school senior and, I suspect, has a full ride scholarship to any university in the nation.

I read The Radioactive Boy Scout last year when the school library got a copy, to see if it was good for my students.  It's a fairly sad story of a kid with no real supervision doing amazingly dangerous things.  His life since has sadly, though perhaps predictably, not gone so well.  Check out the wiki page for David Hahn.

Date: 2011/08/04 12:13:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 04 2011,11:37)
Here's the one I was referring to

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2007/03/high_school_stu/

Cool, I'd missed that.

Date: 2011/08/08 18:54:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 08 2011,18:35)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Aug. 08 2011,18:13)
 
Quote (Tom Ames @ Aug. 08 2011,22:46)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 08 2011,13:31)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 08 2011,11:37)
     
Quote (Robin @ Aug. 08 2011,12:12)
     
Quote (JLT @ Aug. 08 2011,12:57)
Saying that everything a GA produces is design because it runs on a computer is like saying that I'm laying the eggs because I built the chicken house.


There should be laws against posting such a phrasing knowing full well that readers eat and drink...

:p

Yeah, I reckon there's a yolk in there someplace.

Another pun cascade?  Ova and ova again...

A punnet's cascade, actually.

Yo! Omelette ya finish!

Maybe we'll get this one over easy.

It's a fertile area for puns, which should prevent poaching.

ETA a missing "f"

Date: 2011/08/08 22:34:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 08 2011,18:40)
OK.  My WTF moment for the day...

On something of a lark I submitted a proposal to NASA/DARPA for symposium.  

It was accepted.  Now I have to write the paper and go to Florida to present it.

What the hell have I done!??!?!

Congrats!  Any chance it involves a laser, popcorn, and Joe's house?

Date: 2011/08/10 16:20:08, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 10 2011,12:33)
People like Mabuse never look like monsters, but they do remind some women of their ex-husbands (I'm not included in this statement), and some men of that one particular co-worker.

I don't feel any sympathy for him. What a boring, snorefest PITA.

Perhaps it's just the fear those of who teach have had instilled in us in recent years, but he reminds me too much of those kids that fantasize about killing everyone else at school.  Sometimes they're just blowing off steam, but how do you tell them from the ones that one day decide to try it in the real world?  The fact that we've gotten to the point where we have more drills for "intruder" than for fire or tornado perhaps makes me overly touchy on the subject.

Date: 2011/08/10 23:08:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Aug. 10 2011,17:54)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 10 2011,16:20)
Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 10 2011,12:33)
People like Mabuse never look like monsters, but they do remind some women of their ex-husbands (I'm not included in this statement), and some men of that one particular co-worker.

I don't feel any sympathy for him. What a boring, snorefest PITA.

Perhaps it's just the fear those of who teach have had instilled in us in recent years, but he reminds me too much of those kids that fantasize about killing everyone else at school.  Sometimes they're just blowing off steam, but how do you tell them from the ones that one day decide to try it in the real world?  The fact that we've gotten to the point where we have more drills for "intruder" than for fire or tornado perhaps makes me overly touchy on the subject.

We have "Lockdown" drills where we have to secure the rooms, keep everyone quiet, etc.

That's them.  We actually had one scare last year where we were told it wasn't a drill.  It turned out it was nothing to do with us (some mentally ill person down the road started shooting at hallucinatory intruders), but we stayed on lockdown for a good half hour.  Fun trying to get teenagers interested in chemistry again after that.

Date: 2011/08/12 11:58:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 11 2011,23:27)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 11 2011,21:15)
haha, look at him scramble on his latest twitter account:

Mabus is issuing apologies

   
Quote
@BoraZ @joshrosenau lest we forget - we apologize for any threats. we would never hurt you. we want you to wise up on the atheist issue


&etc.

His royal 'we' there is cute. I suppose he means himself and all the different voices in his head?

Something like this?

 
Quote
Mabus: We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little atheists. Wicked, tricksy, false!
Markuze: No. Not master!
Mabus: Yes, precious, false! They will cheat you, hurt you, LIE.
Markuze: Master is our friend!
Mabus: You don't have any friends; nobody likes you!
Markuze: I'm not listening... I'm not listening...
Mabus: You're a liar and a thief.
Markuze: No!
Mabus: *Murderer*.
Markuze: Go away!
Mabus: "Go away?"
[Mabus laughs as Markuze begins crying]
Markuze: I hate you, I hate you.
Mabus: Where would you be without me, gollum, gollum? I saved us! It was me! We survived because of me!
Markuze: [stops crying] Not anymore.
Mabus: What did you say?
Markuze: Master looks after us now. We don't need you anymore.
Mabus: What?
Markuze: Leave now, and never come back!
Mabus: No!
Markuze: Leave now, and never come back!
[Mabus screams in frustration]
Markuze: LEAVE! NOW! AND NEVER COME BACK!
[Mabus is silent]
Markuze: [looks around] We told him to go away... and away he goes, Precious! Gone, gone, gone! Markuze is free!

Date: 2011/08/13 17:05:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 13 2011,09:38)
kairosfocus:
Quote
Oddly enough, FG seems unaware that the whole project of origins science is an exploration of the remote, unobserved past — indeed the unobservable past — on traces and patterns we do observe in the present.


So is forensics, IDiot.  Guess how much CSI they show on TV programs like CSI?

Perhaps we should require all journal articles to have musical accompaniment?

Date: 2011/08/20 08:49:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Seversky @ Aug. 20 2011,08:26)
DeNews, the gift that keeps on giving:
 
Quote
Beavers illustrate complex specified information, they don’t author it.


Well, I suppose that depends on the beaver...

A quick perusal of the interwebs reveals lots of information authored about beavers.  Much of it in visual form.  I'm sure Gordon Mullings could point out lots of it.

Date: 2011/08/22 16:48:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 22 2011,13:20)
Apropos of nothing, although perhaps with some relevance to Kristine's neighbourly troubles of late, my in-laws are having some work done to their house. This has led to their car (which needs to be parked on the street, obstructing no one) having eggs thrown at it one morning and baked beans thrown at it another morning.

When informed of this by my distraught mother in law (who's motto is "we can make a drama out of anything") I quipped that perhaps she should be patient and hopefully over the course of the week the anonymous vandals would throw bacon, sausages, black pudding and fried bread, thereby completing a moderate Full English Breakfast.

She was unamused. I am persona non grata chez in-laws.

Mission Accomplished.

Louis

Out of curiosity, is throwing beans at someones property a rude but not unheard of cultural practice, or is it as strange as it sounds to American ears?  Eggs we do.  Sometimes produce of the tomato variety.  Toilet paper (clean of course) is good for its ability to entomb.  But baked beans is new to me.

Date: 2011/08/24 18:14:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 24 2011,14:23)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,17:17)
[SNIP]

OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

Good to hear all is well. Organic chemistry IS more fun that general chemistry.

No I'm not biased as all hell. Why do you ask? ;-)

If you ever want organic chem related chats/advice you know where I am. Just remember 99%* of organic chemistry students hate it, don't get it and despair at the sheer volume of crap they are asked to apparently memorise when they first encounter it. It gets better. Usually a few years in, after beating your head against a wall repeatedly and several messy suicide attempts, a magical light pops on in your head and you get it.**

Of course if you do what the vast majority of organic chemistry students don't do, you'll get it in about 3 weeks and can then relax in a bar. The secret is to grasp about 5 or 6 basic principles and forget about memorising huge swathes of shite. The problem is working out which 5 or 6 principles! ;-)

Of course, for a reasonable fee, I can be relied upon to {ahem} illuminate you. In fact seeing as you are a friend, I'll do it for nothing, plus modest expenses of course.***

Louis

* I may be underselling the precise percentage a little.

** I may be making it sound easier than it is.

*** I find my best and most accurate thinking is done on my own private, luxury, tropical island resort surrounded by a bevvy of willing, morally adventurous and nubile young ladies.****

**** When I say "find" what I actually mean is "suppose" and/or "fervently wish".

As one of those inorganic types who did not care for most of organic I can say that the problem in many cases is that organic professors don't take Louis' advice.  They were taught organic as a series of memorizations with no underlying theory, and they will teach it the same way, pedagogy be damned.  

That said, the little organic spectroscopy course I took was great.  It saved me considerable angst during the lab final as I ran the spectra first (most everyone else did it last) and then ran just the qualitative tests I needed to use to confirm my interpretation of those.

Date: 2011/08/24 18:18:31, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (khan @ Aug. 24 2011,17:54)
Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 23 2011,21:40)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 23 2011,04:15)
"I have a Master's Degree...in Science!"

Oh, that reminds me, I better keep those electrical outlets covered so that the electricity doesn't leak out.

My EX-MIL actually believed that.

I had a neighbor in the duplex where my wife and I lived during grad school that came over and asked once how to rig a convertor so he could connect his new gas stove to the electrical outlet.  He knew they turned gas into electricity, so there had to be a way to reverse it on his end.

Date: 2011/08/26 16:49:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I fell in love with my wife in 3 days.

It took me 6 months to get her to fall in love with me.

I've spent the last 15 years of our marriage making sure we stayed that way, and it's been a blast.

Date: 2011/08/26 16:51:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2011/08/26 19:13:24, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 26 2011,18:48)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 26 2011,16:49)
I fell in love with my wife in 3 days.

It took me 6 months to get her to fall in love with me.

I've spent the last 15 years of our marriage making sure we stayed that way, and it's been a blast.

Way to go TT... It's guys like you that make it tough for guys like me! :(

I'll bet you don't even leave the toilet seat up, and even remember birthdays and aniversaries!

If it makes you feel better, I do let my clothes pile up in the floor rather than the hamper.

Date: 2011/08/26 19:15:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Did y'all hear about the two maggots fighting in dead Ernest?

Date: 2011/08/27 13:33:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 27 2011,07:47)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 26 2011,22:49)
I fell in love with my wife in 3 days.

It took me 6 months to get her to fall in love with me.

I've spent the last 15 years of our marriage making sure we stayed that way, and it's been a blast.

Here we were making perfectly traditional jokes about beleaguered husbands and shrewish wives and you had to go and ruin it with love.

Get a grip man!

It's perfectly reasonable to love one's wife, and perhaps even one's children, but a gentleman doesn't mention it. It's remarkably close to bragging and is generally not cricket. In the more refined clubs in society such behaviour can have you black balled.

Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done.

Louis

Oops.  Sorry about that.  <searches for the appropriate apology>

I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.

Date: 2011/08/28 17:44:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 28 2011,16:09)
Ask Gil if computational fluid dynamics involves iterative approximations.

Ask him if solutions are absolute or approximate.

Don't forget to ask if you'll be banned before or after the comment makes it through moderation.

Date: 2011/08/30 17:19:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 30 2011,16:50)
Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 30 2011,14:16)
Also find it interesting that you take into consideration "(complex) cultural, tribal and historical precedents" when discussing this issue, but when I state the same considerations when making my case that God is not immoral because of instances in ancient Israel where He commanded battle between tribes, you toss them off as not particularly relevant.

We're not the ones arguing that morality is invariant and comes from God, F.

But you see, poor Yahweh was a product of the culture that raised Him.  His parents taught him to keep slaves and order his creations to commit genocide.  It's society's fault.

Date: 2011/09/01 18:01:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday.  We got you a new UD thread for your present, but some people couldn't resist opening and playing with it a little early.

Date: 2011/09/01 20:59:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Badger3k @ Sep. 01 2011,19:49)
Again, that says nothing about its accuracy - its relationship to reality.  I can bet that there are a lot of copies of early comic books - does that mean that Peter Parker existed?  Will future woo-merchants look back on ancient comics and wonder at our religion that worshipped a wall-crawling human?  He certainly was persecuted enough.

Future woo-merchants will go on the brain-nets and claim that since the ancients texts clearly show Uncle Ben died for our sins, then there is just as much evidence for that as for the existence of jellyfish.  And that being nice to gay people eventually leads to throwing pumpkin bombs at children.

Date: 2011/09/12 14:53:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 12 2011,10:37)
Quote (blipey @ Sep. 12 2011,10:10)
In an effort to appear relevant, Frisbee is now hosting "guest posts" from uh...well, hmmm...diploma mills?!!?!?

Allison Gamble, indeed. :)

Quote
Guest Post: Impact of Death on Beliefs about Intelligent Design and Evolution
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My belief is that death has a rather negative impact on your ability to have beliefs.

I'm guessing that in Joe's case that impact isn't statistically significant.

Date: 2011/09/18 08:50:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
If junk punctuation turns out to have function, does that prove ID?

Date: 2011/09/28 15:22:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ Sep. 28 2011,14:09)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 27 2011,14:41)
Hey Joe, I'll be up near your neck of the woods tomorrow and Thursday.

Here's your chance.  Just give me an address where you'd like to meet and you can 'explain all this to me'.

Good luck with that.

Maybe Ogre will have more luck since Joe's coulrophobia won't come into play.

p.s. Google's third suggestion when you type "fear of" is clowns.  That's either fascinating or disturbing.  Possibly both.

Date: 2011/10/17 16:46:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 17 2011,10:25)
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 17 2011,11:15)
 
Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 15 2011,02:32)
It is dawning on me how completely futile it is becoming to engage the ID supporters of UD. It is quite the Bizarro World over there. None of them seem to learn anything except how to repeat each other's talking points. Believe first in ID and THEN you will understand it. Obstinacy is seen to be healthy skepticism and honest steadfastness. They throw their arguments around as if they are defense attorneys; they are not burdened with providing a consistent and reasonable explanation of events but serve only to cast doubt on the prosecution's (if i have mis-characterized any defense attorneys here, I stand corrected). Contention can be healthy and productive but that's not what's occurring at UD. I applaud those who continue to engage UD, and am grateful for the enlightenment they provide.

I gave up several months ago. The discussions just don't go anywhere except towards name-calling.

tards are for kicking.  ID is dead.

"ID is dead as a mackerel there’s no point in arguing against it scientifically anymore, and all we have left is making fun of diehard IDiots like [these tards] who still try to walk the stinking corpse around, a la Weekend at Bernie’s."

ETA  UD threads 1.5 and 2 are simply postscripts to lenny flank

I prefer to think of these later threads as tributes to the wisdom of Rev Dr Flank.  Blessings be upon him and his pizza boy.

Besides, if we can't laugh at the IDiots, who can we laugh at?

Date: 2011/10/24 17:10:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wolfhound @ Oct. 24 2011,14:03)
Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 24 2011,13:37)
Falando do quem, has AFDave been seen anywhere recently?

He discovered an[other] exciting business opportunity when Febble et al painted him into the corner of a zircon crystal at TalkOrigins a few months ago.

It would be such as shame to lose the Internet's premier resource for countering creationism.

I'd been wondering, myself.  Deadman and I wax nostalgic about him once in a while.  Lousy pillow talk but still amusing.

I'd imagine it's an excellent contraceptive.

Date: 2011/11/04 16:36:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 04 2011,14:23)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 04 2011,12:53)
I see that you left out the following from my quote--the part that makes argument mute

I just love it when some genius starts to talk about points being "mute."

They're often naturally voicetrous people who become flustrated when no one will listen to them.

Maybe he means a "moo point"?

Date: 2011/11/04 16:45:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Nov. 04 2011,14:26)
         
Quote (David Holland @ Nov. 03 2011,19:59)
Forastero,
I'm curious. To most of us the Cambrian is a period of time. To you it seems to be something different but I'm not sure what. I think, from some of what you have said, that you are referring to a single fossil bed. Could you explain what Cambrian means when you use the term?


{Blah, blah blah by forastero snipped}

   
Quote (David Holland @ Nov. 03 2011,19:59)
I'm sorry, did you answer the question?  I'll make it simpler for you: multiple choice.

Q. Do you believe the Cambrian is a period of time?

a) yes
b) no

I realize that you don't actually want to be pinned down on anything because you have no idea what you're talking about.  But answering questions that have simple answers with rambling monologues does you no favors (I know, you think it does.  You're wrong.).

So, how about it?  Yes?  Or no?

   
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 04 2011,01:35)

I clearly indicated that it was not a specific era but rather a eco zone

What kind of "eco zone"?  Is it one that exists today?  If so, I can go to the Cambrian without a time machine - cool!

The way it reads to me, forastero thinks all the different geological eras happened at the same time and just represent different parts of the Earth with different ecologies.  He seems to think there was only one batch of diversification, one ice age, (one Ye Olde Flud?), etc.   I'm not sure how he plans to get around the fact that some of those "eco zones" are stacked on top of each other despite being contemporary.

Date: 2011/11/11 21:13:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday, Louis.

Since it is past the 11th in England, it should be safe to let the sheep out.

Date: 2011/11/12 17:13:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (paragwinn @ Nov. 12 2011,17:02)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 12 2011,05:33)
sheeeeeeeeeeezus that is one dumb website

everytime someone says that, a monarch butterfly becomes stillborn. Think of the metamorphildren!

Should help cut down on hurricanes though.

Date: 2011/11/14 20:01:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (dnmlthr @ Nov. 14 2011,14:20)
Quote (Joe G @ Nov. 11 2011,06:00)
Sure I worked for an encryption company.

Doing cryptography research? I've worked for a newspaper in the past, doesn't make me a journalist.

Maybe he meant crypto-zoology?  Hunting Bigfoot in Iraq using watermelon rinds, that kind of thing?

Date: 2011/11/19 19:56:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 19 2011,18:28)
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 19 2011,16:44)
It looked like  another of his vague but sneaky illusions

The only one with a track record of dishonesty here is you. I think i'll write that on my staff so future generations will know.

Careful.  You're starting to sound like k.e.

What?  Oh...that kind of staff?  Nevermind.

Date: 2011/11/23 10:27:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 23 2011,08:10)
TARD

So, according to this guy.  What scientists call conservation is what is called front-loading.

More and more, the ID crowd is forced to admit that evolution is right.  They are just defining their words to be evolutionary principles.

At some point doesn't that just turn into theistic evolution?  Is there some Schwarschild radius where they'll just wake up one day and realize they crossed over the line?  Once they've wedged their god into every gap, how is that different from TE if you get the same result?

Date: 2011/11/23 18:11:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 23 2011,17:30)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 23 2011,17:15)
Just to drive the point home, let me excerpt a selection from within the Index to Creationist Claims authorship page:

 
Quote


[...]

CB601.3: Mark Isaak
CB601.4: Mark Isaak
CB610: Mark Isaak
CB620: Mark Isaak
CB621: Mark Isaak
CB621.1: Mark Isaak
CB630: Mark Isaak
CB701: Mark Isaak
CB701.1: Mark Isaak
CB704: Mark Isaak
CB710: Mark Isaak
CB731: Mark Isaak
CB732: Mark Isaak
CB751: Mark Isaak
CB801: Mark Isaak, John S. Wilkins
CB805: John Harshman
CB810: Mark Isaak
CB811: Mark Isaak
CB821: Mark Isaak
CB822: Mark Isaak
CB901: Mark Isaak
CB901.1: Mark Isaak
CB901.2: Mark Isaak
CB901.3: Mark Isaak
CB902: Mark Isaak
CB902.1: Mark Isaak
CB902.2: Mark Isaak
CB904: Mark Isaak
CB910: Mark Isaak
CB910.1: Mark Isaak
CB910.2: Mark Isaak
CB920: Mark Isaak

[...]



CB620 is, of course, the item at issue concerning arguments regarding human population, and it plainly shows Mark Isaak as the sole individual author. The remainder of the excerpt should demonstrate vividly that anyone claiming that Mark Isaak wrote only six of the individual items in the Index is egregiously wrong.

But remember, to forastero 6 = 45,000,000 so, he's right... in his own little (very tiny) world.

But he also thinks that (1.005) =/= (1 + .005), but is a vague, sneaky illusion.  That tells us something, but it makes my brain hurt to try to figure out what.

Date: 2011/11/23 18:17:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 23 2011,18:09)
O'Leary is in the middle of a major face-palm experience in the Physicist David Deutsch says really dumb stuff when outside his field of expertise? thread.  O'Leary, who has no known field of expertise, doesn't like Victoria Pyncheon's review of Deutsch's latest book at the Forbes Blog.  She writes of the review that, "It’s hard to imagine someone getting so much wrong in a single review." and goes off on a diatribe about how science is worthless and everything good in the last few centuries has been the work of Jesus Christ and right thinking non-scientists.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd go with glossolalia.

Date: 2011/11/24 09:09:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
The only thing that would make Wes' take down above better is if he'd signed it "Summer Glau".

Date: 2011/11/27 14:44:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (paragwinn @ Nov. 27 2011,14:21)
Robert Byers, patron at the Playboy Club of Science:  
Quote
I see , relatively, few women who would interest me or show me they have something to offer in Science.

And the women of science let out a collective sign of relief.

Date: 2011/12/02 19:22:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Dec. 02 2011,17:26)
Quote (forastero @ Dec. 02 2011,14:45)
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Nov. 25 2011,09:39)
 
Quote (forastero @ Nov. 24 2011,12:48)
Oh and of course, I dont agree with the radiometric dating system

You know, for your contentions to be right, just about all of science has to be wrong? Not just a little wrong, flat out bollocks. This includes physics, geology, biology and astronomy.

Yep and history of such psuedoscientific bullocks has repeated itself again and again

You say that, and yet GPS navigation only works by allowing for the different rates that Earth-bound and satellite clocks run. Predicted with astounding precision by physics.

You post on a computer connected to the internet; both developed because of science. You probably use modern medicine developed by scientists. Plate tectonics has been measured and things like the Hubble telescope works.

You are barking mad, ignorant or just winding people up. That is not an exclusive or BTW.

Not nearly a high enough dose.

Date: 2011/12/22 09:31:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 21 2011,23:23)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 21 2011,22:19)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 21 2011,21:39)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 21 2011,21:12)
"I want to find a testable hypothesis for ID"

Oh, come on Kristine...that is easy peasy ID 101....here are several:


(1) High information content machine-like irreducibly complex structures will be found.
(2) Forms will be found in the fossil record that appear suddenly and without any precursors.
(3) Genes and functional parts will be re-used in different unrelated organisms.
(4) The genetic code will NOT contain much discarded genetic baggage code or functionless "junk DNA".

1. Evolution produces IC structures. Look up "interlocking complexity", Muller 1918 IIRC. Thus not a test.

2. Pfffbbbt. Completely flabby and useless verbiage. If one is forced to overlook all the documented fossil transitions, it doesn't speak well of rigor. "Of Pandas and People" 1993 urged cetaceans as the archetype for this argument, and we all know how well *that* turned out. Again, not a test.

3. Horizontal transfer via known genetic mechanisms prevents this from being solely an IDC phenomenon. Again, not a test.

4. This was actually a pan-selectionist expectation back before Lewontin et al. demonstrated high protein polymorphism. Again, not a test.

We had the whole IDC pantheon together in Austin, TX back in 1997 for a couple of days (except M. Behe) and we kept asking them for an ID hypothesis and a means to test it. We didn't get one then, and they haven't produced one yet.

sigh....

For lurkers here is more on *ID is a testable hypothesis*.

That link just goes to the DI making the same four claims that didn't hold up to scrutiny.

To a first approximation doesn't that describe the entire IDC enterprise?

Date: 2011/12/25 11:29:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (sparc @ Dec. 25 2011,01:41)
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 24 2011,22:48)
I miss those days.

The days when there were no physical, spiritual or fiscal barriers between Dembski's idiocy and his keyboard. The days when his hemispheres were endearingly incommunicado and his ego was given full reign over his common sense.

Unfortunately (and inevitably) he is now safely ensconced in the warm bosom of good ol' Southern Baptist Academia. He really is where he deserves to be.

ETA: Merry Christmas everyone!

One should not forget the theological barriers erected by his elders after he questioned Noah's flood as a global event:  
Quote
Patterson said that when Dembski’s questionable statements came to light, he convened a meeting with Dembski and several high-ranking administrators at the seminary. At that meeting, Dembski was quick to admit that he was wrong about the flood, Patterson said.
“Had I had any inkling that Dr. Dembski was actually denying the absolute trustworthiness of the Bible, then that would have, of course, ended his relationship with the school,” he said.

He should thank them for jarring him out of his dogmatic rampage.

Date: 2011/12/26 15:18:34, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 26 2011,12:43)
And could someone please point me to the graph mentioned by Kristine re AfDave? If it's not too complicated, I'll have a go.

Here's JanieBelle's summary of the the incident. (FYI, that was the first of 678 hits for tard graph +afdave.  Ouch.)

Date: 2011/12/31 19:26:04, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 31 2011,17:51)
Happy new year, everyone!

Now we get to hear all the blather about the Mayan calendar and 2012... ;)

Several of my students have asked me about 2012 in a way that shows me they know they're not supposed to believe it but they really need someone to tell them they shouldn't be they do.

Happy New Year of trying to introduce reality to the credulous.

Date: 2012/01/02 17:35:38, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 02 2012,11:07)
Quote
ScottAndrews2: I looked up the northern herring gull. Frankly I’m disappointed that you would retreat to an example of simple variation that starts with a gull and ends with a gull that only a birdwatcher could distinguish from the first.

They all look alike. Except to people who look at birds. Oh, and to the gulls.


 
Quote
ScottAndrews2: I feel trifled with.

Heh.

It's part of the heads I win/Tails you lose strategy.  If you show them a set of transitional fossils they complain that the gaps are too big.  If you show them small transitions they complain that it's just variation and they want to see a turnip change into a platypus.

Edit to snip pictures that were stretching the screen width

Date: 2012/01/14 22:33:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 14 2012,21:39)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Jan. 14 2012,17:11)
Last night I saw the new film version of Le Carre's Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. If I hadn't read the book the book and seen the BBC mini-series, it would have been incomprehensible, and still worth seeing.

But the reason for bringing it up here is that one of the minor characters, Peter Guillam (played by Benedict Cumberbatch), looks exactly like the DI Fellow Dr Stephen Meyer.

(I was going to make a joke about Dembski playing Karla when I realized that Karla _is_ Dembski.)

I want to see it!

That made me think of something: if a movie (or more appropriately, a miniseries) were to be made about the whole evo-ID fight, which actors would you choose to play which personalities on our side and the IDists'? Just for fun, let's say that it can be any actor from any era. (I'm sorry, but so many "actors" today just suck.)

For William Dembski, I would choose a 1980s Dwight Schultz. :)

How about Sam Neill as Dawkins?

Date: 2012/01/17 11:31:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 16 2012,18:34)
Quote (Patrick @ Jan. 16 2012,16:45)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 16 2012,17:01)
WAD quote

 
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As it is, I’m leaving my present post at Southwestern Seminary and returning as a full-time fellow of Discovery later this year (2012).



EXPELLED!

Apparently his recantation of his Teh Flud remarks weren't quite enough for his Troggie masters.  They know WAD is just paying them lip service.

And like the Romster said, if you don't like a service you can get great pleasure out of FIRING IT!

Buh-bye, WAD, you are shot!

The Discovery Institute pays well enough to be a full-time job?  It seems my parents raised me poorly, what with all the focus on working hard and providing value in exchange for monetary compensation.

I doubt very much that Dr. Dr. gets more than the $50k range in salary, especially at a Bible college.  I recall the DI fellows scraping off something in the 50's.

However, the Big Shots, er, Shits, like Meyer rake in $150k or more based on Disco Tute IRS filings, Biologic funding, etc.  Plus, they must dine like kings at church basement pot luck suppers across the nation on their speaking tours. I'm sure their tummies are full of green bean casserole every night!

Plus, didn't Templeton fund BIOLA to the tune of $3 million or something obscene like that?  Maybe Dr. Dr. will suck on that.

Oh, and that clunking sound your heard, that was Dembski's rock of a career hitting bottom.

Don't forget charging for expert testimony that you don't actually show up for.

Date: 2012/01/23 21:19:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 23 2012,20:58)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 23 2012,17:55)
It's almost as if dFSCI = sequence length multiplied by the  hocuspocus constant.

It looks like sequence length* ~2.14. One wonders if he forgot the value of pi.

Maybe he took some technical advice from Joe and counted the number of letters.  And since you have to take an e off pie to make pi it had to be lower.

Date: 2012/01/23 21:22:28, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthdays.  May the hair on your toes never fall out.

Date: 2012/02/01 12:18:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Freddie @ Feb. 01 2012,01:49)
This is all the stranger given that come the theocratic revolution JoeG will likely be first up against KF's outhouse wall as an undesirable element.

Ack... bad mental imagine.  Where's the brain bleach?

For future safety purposes, please avoid associating the words KF, JoeG, and up against.  Thank you.

Date: 2012/02/12 09:52:54, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 11 2012,23:07)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 11 2012,17:31)
Joe makes excuses for the melting ice:

 
Quote
Soot and dirt melt ice well before the ambient temperature is above freezing.


Because we all know there was no soot or dirt before the CO2 just coincidentally started to mysteriously rise, coming from nowhere.

Joe still has a lot of misconceptions about global warming.  I know he's been exposed to reality because he's like 30% of the hits on my blog.

Morton's Demon has helpfully equipped Joe with a pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses which darken at the first hint of reality exposure.

Date: 2012/02/20 08:23:01, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 19 2012,20:12)
fascinating.  why, other than joe, have there never been any muslims show up at ID UD?

even better question, why have no socks explored this corner of the Big Tent?

There was that one intrepid sock that claimed to be an ID-friendly Satanist.  Good times.

Date: 2012/02/20 09:21:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 20 2012,08:50)
linkies?  i have tried that one before but not at UD lol

Here's the record of the bannination:

Lotf gets banned

Date: 2012/02/28 21:37:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 28 2012,21:20)
Animal Assisted Apologetics. Sounds kinky. The lion lies down with the sheep, and all that.

An infinite number of monkeys typing up reasons why Genesis isn't impossible?  Sounds just like UD.

Date: 2012/03/03 21:32:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 03 2012,20:50)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 03 2012,00:15)
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 02 2012,18:09)
that is one of the default avatars

I know. But out of maybe dozens available, he went ahead and picked this one, didn't he?

dr. buzzkill to the rescue. No, it's done by the software.

Typical Darwinist materialist, trying to throw facts at our beliefs.  That will get you banned at a respectable blog like UD.  Homo.

Date: 2012/03/13 21:31:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 13 2012,13:47)
What percentage of the episodes had that theme? :p

About the same percentage as the amount of ID that's creationism.

Date: 2012/03/15 15:46:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (noncarborundum @ Mar. 15 2012,13:38)
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2012,13:35)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 15 2012,13:24)


One of the Myst games?

Stargate

Is anyone else bothered by the fact that this gate is not wheelchair accessible?  (I have a wheelchair-bound child.  I look at flights of stairs like that and shudder.)

The Air Force did at least follow ADA regs and include a ramp on the Earth gate.  (My brother uses a wheelchair, and I notice the same things.)

Date: 2012/03/21 17:37:09, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday.  Be careful no one drops a house on you.

Date: 2012/03/22 20:52:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 22 2012,10:28)
It's probably not the insignificance in itself that is troublesome, but the idea that there is no sky parent watching over them.

Consider the popularity of angels, particularly guardian angles. Life is scary, and many people cannot get through it without believing they have a parent protecting them. Hell, I'd like to believe it.

In the case of some of the folks over at UD, I think it's also a desire to have a sky parent watching over everyone else.  They really want their god to come make everyone else behave (and punish them for being bad).

Date: 2012/03/26 10:27:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 25 2012,23:46)
Clasty has been banned from PT. Is this the first banning since Dave Scott?

There was Kris, who also had a brief thread here.

Date: 2012/03/29 11:26:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Ogre,

I've got a question that maybe you can answer.  Our lovely state has been field testing the new STAAR exams (and keeping me from having any days to teach).  Since the kids know it doesn't count, many of them have put zero effort into doing it.  For example, one coach at a recent academic competition told me half his class raised their hands that they were finished immediately after he finished the instructions.  Is there actually some way to get useful data out of that, or are they just wasting our time?

Date: 2012/03/29 16:59:26, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 29 2012,11:57)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 29 2012,11:26)
Ogre,

I've got a question that maybe you can answer.  Our lovely state has been field testing the new STAAR exams (and keeping me from having any days to teach).  Since the kids know it doesn't count, many of them have put zero effort into doing it.  For example, one coach at a recent academic competition told me half his class raised their hands that they were finished immediately after he finished the instructions.  Is there actually some way to get useful data out of that, or are they just wasting our time?

Nope, if the students don't take it seriously, then it's a waste of effort.

It should be readily obvious to the statisticians too.  

STAAR is an End-Of-Course test right?  In that case (and this is just my opinion), I'd like to see students get no credit for the course until they pass the test.

If students pass the test, the first time in early April, then they are done with that class and can go home.  If not, then teachers use the results of the test to develop tutorials aimed at those students and test again in 4 weeks or so.  (BTW: I'm working on a project that will allow much greater detail in determining why a student got a question wrong, allowing a more refined tutorial program.

EOC tests test the curriculum, so if teachers are 'teaching to the test', then they are teaching the curriculum... unlike the TAKS in which 3 entire years of curriculum were boiled down into 8 questions, 4 of which were always of the same type... which could be taught.

I don't know if that answers your question though...

It does thanks.  I'm both excited and nervous about the EOCs.  Excited for the reasons you listed.  Nervous because I can imagine how the admins will torture us in new and exciting ways.

Date: 2012/04/03 11:29:29, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 03 2012,07:29)
Over at the ever shrinking tard farm, O'Dreary "News" is right on top of the science again:

Timing of human use of fire pushed back by 300 million years

linky

Let's hear it for those late Carboniferous cave men!

Given the high oxygen content of the atmosphere, that would be ill-advised.  So, you know, just like Denyse.

Date: 2012/04/08 15:12:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 08 2012,12:24)
In case you were wondering:

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A Brief Reflection on Easter



April 8, 2012

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design


Bolding mine. ID, not religious, doesn't know who the designer is.

They do think he hides Easter eggs in DNA, so that's consistent.

Date: 2012/04/08 21:26:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ April 08 2012,19:41)
Quote (Texas Teach @ April 08 2012,15:12)
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 08 2012,12:24)
In case you were wondering:

 
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A Brief Reflection on Easter



April 8, 2012

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design


Bolding mine. ID, not religious, doesn't know who the designer is.

They do think he hides Easter eggs in DNA, so that's consistent.

Unfortunately they are too scared to look for those Easter eggs... they might actually find one*.






* that says "So long and thanks for all the fish.  It's what we designed you for anyway.  hahahahahahaahahaha**"  

** repeat GC sequence

I know the issue of why they don't do some actual looking for "front-loading" or whatever has been discussed in a general sense before, but has anyone ever really questioned why Behe isn't doing that.  I get that Joe and Gil and Luskin and the Dr Dr don't really have the skills, but shouldn't Behe, or someone like him, be able to get some grant money and make a try?  Sure you could argue that the EAC* would control most agencies, but the DI has funds.  Templeton is giving away grants for all sorts of stuff like the money is burning a hole in their pockets.  

Has Behe ever addressed this?

*Which doesn't exist.  Those are not helicopters you hear approaching your location.

Date: 2012/06/02 14:04:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Our little Joe just caught the attention of Jerry Coyne.  Question: will this lead to new heights of TARD or will the ecstasy of being noticed leave Joe catatonic?

Date: 2012/06/07 20:40:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Someone get Woodbine a PotW pronto.

Date: 2012/06/15 22:54:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2012/06/18 11:22:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 18 2012,03:47)
Quote (sparc @ June 17 2012,22:53)
BTW, is there any news on Dembski's Springer book project?

Dembski:
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I have a very substantial anthology coming out with a major academic publisher, but I’m not at liberty to say where until it actually comes out, because Darwinists have the disturbing habit of trying to get publication agreements for ID-friendly literature revoked.

Darwinist: And this isn't a properly peer reviewed article, it's...Old Man Dembski!

Dembski:  I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.

Date: 2012/06/19 14:36:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 19 2012,04:28)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 19 2012,00:51)
The Dodgenator has churned out combination a1:    
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I’m something of an evangelist for classical music, since it has brought me so much joy and reward all throughout my life. My piano teacher, Ruby Bailey, with whom I studied from the age of seven through high school (and, actually, beyond), I consider to be my second mother.
...
So how does Darwinism account for this, the extraordinary power of music in all of our lives?

 
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The Extraordinary Power of Music (How does Darwinism account for this?)


Gil, for the sake of argument let's say it does not.

How does ID account for it?

...

And while you're at it Gill, how does ID account for wearing frilly shirts whilst playing music?

I'd say the Darwinian explanation is sexual selection, but I just can't see that working out.

Date: 2012/06/21 13:47:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (SLP @ June 21 2012,12:45)
Why does Luskin refer to himself as a 'scientist'?

Because he once made a volcano out of baking soda and vinegar.

Date: 2012/06/21 19:02:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 21 2012,18:42)
Quote (olegt @ June 21 2012,17:00)
I'll take it as a yes, Jared. Thanks for playing.

Bonus question: what do you make of the folks at BioLogos? Are they a bunch of atheists?

Worldview preferences strongly dictate both sides of the debate, although I believe they're stronger with Darwinists. After all, I've seen many valid pro-I.D. arguments regarding the origin of life, all while Darwinists simply assert that their view, abiogenesis, must be true because design must be false.

One side, the I.D. side, is arguing via logic and evidence. The other side is arguing via fallacious question begging -- the result of being motivated to dogmatism by their worldview.

Any chance you might share some of that evidence with us while we're still young?

Date: 2012/06/29 19:50:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ June 29 2012,19:11)
And another ID award recipient from an undisclosed secret location:

 
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an award honoring college graduates for excellence in student advocacy of intelligent design (ID) the "Casey Luskin Graduate Award."


The first recipient of said award was ... Casey Luskin!

So, not only do the Discoveryoids publish their own journals and books but they invent awards that they give to themselves.  Cool.

I can see the list now:

The Dembski Award for Job Acquisition
The O'leary Writing Words Award for Understanding
The Byers Award for Cryptozoology
The Cordova Award for Ethical Interpersonal Conduct
The Mullings Award for Constitutional Crisis Resolution

Date: 2012/07/05 22:16:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Crap, I'm late too.  Happy birthday, Rich.

Date: 2012/07/05 23:03:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 05 2012,21:24)
Someone should ask Frill to pit his checkers program against Anaconda.

Since `Ras hasn't been around lately (except maybe as Dr. Jammer (pm yourself you magnificent bastard)), I feel I must do this in his stead:

I'd like to see him fight an anaconda in a pit.

Date: 2012/07/05 23:06:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday.

Date: 2012/07/10 22:32:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
When I was 6 or so my family took a trip to D.C. and the Smithsonian.  I apparently talked about the dinosaurs the entire drive there from Arkansas.  We arrived to find the dinosaur hall of the museum was closed for renovations.  End. of. the. World.  I was inconsolable.

I did get to back in the mid-90s.

Date: 2012/07/18 22:34:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (The whole truth @ July 18 2012,20:27)
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 18 2012,13:33)
(Thinking) Hmm, I've had my sig line (welcoming arrogant idiots to UD) for over a year now; maybe time for a new one. What's on offer over at UD? Oh here's one.

With that statement wouldn't joey be admitting that "no one on this planet knows anything" about the alleged design/creation of humans by yhwh/allah or any other so-called designer/god? After all, that alleged event would certainly predate human history (especially if "pre-history" is defined as before written records).

And think of all the other things that his statement would apply to.

Former AtBC chew toy AfDave believed there were "scribes" who followed Adam around and recorded the written history that is the Bible, so maybe Joe thinks his book (Bible? Koran? Land of the Lost?) is history rather than pre-history.

Date: 2012/07/24 13:36:10, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Henry J @ July 24 2012,13:04)
[not me]

Ah, but if fusion occurred, then where did all the helium go??!1111!!one!!!!

[/not me]

It's throwing off the radiometric dating.  Double win!

edit: of, off who's counting fs

Date: 2012/07/24 17:16:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 24 2012,15:24)
Kwok claims that JoeG is atheistoclast and IBIG.

Is there any evidence that this is so?

I'd suggest that one or more of them is Kwok, but given that only Gil the Frill talks about himself more than Kwok does, I think we'd see that in any socks.

Speaking of people rumored to be the same person, does anyone know if VMartin continues his mortal existence now that Davison has left us?

Date: 2012/07/26 20:08:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 26 2012,17:33)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 26 2012,17:16)
News' insight on snake evolution:    
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Losing limbs is a form of devolution, not evolution. It may be an advantage, but a loss created the advantage.

Good thing humans don't share a common ancestor with monkeys, or else we should have to interprete the loss of tails as devolution.

Not to mention loss of hair and loss of muscle strength.

Given the skill demonstrated in her "news" postings, Denyse has at least gained skill in poo-flinging over the ancestral form.

Date: 2012/07/30 18:40:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (blipey @ July 30 2012,17:45)
Quote (Henry J @ July 30 2012,13:06)
Didn't they also have somebody raising mushrooms in their basement?

I believe that was the Floating Better-Than-Scientology Uber Ark of Texas.

If we're collecting experiments by ID types, did DaveTard ever experiment with DCA on himself, or just flirt with dubious internet sites?  I also vaguely recall some drinking of peroxide that might qualify.

Date: 2012/08/06 13:42:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Robin @ Aug. 06 2012,12:28)
Quote (REC @ Aug. 06 2012,11:18)
Why do BA and other ID types like this argument?

 
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the vast majority of times, [mutations] have a negative impact on the information content inherent in the genome). i.e. If nature is allowed to run her full course, without outside intervention, humans, as well as all other life on earth, is headed for extinction!


Life's extinction is evidence of a design?
Or is this some sort of countdown to the second coming?

No no no...the argument is, 'If the "evolutionists" were really correct, then everything would have gone extinct. Since everything clearly hasn't gone extinct, GODDIT!'

Yeah...ok...still makes no sense.

Throw in the whole, "The Designer loves us and keeps us safe" as opposed to the horrible despair of nihilistic Darwinism (cue fainting couches), and it's at least consistent with a universe made just for them to act out the designer's little puppet shows.

Date: 2012/08/08 19:13:12, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 08 2012,16:07)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 08 2012,10:48)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 07 2012,21:28)
I once drove a thousand miles to see Darwin's dead birds. Looking at his notebook open to the "tree" page was the closest I've come to a religious experience. So Corny has me nailed. I know the emotional experience of being in the presence of holy relics.

Had the same feeling in Brno, looking at Mendel's garden of pea plants. Looking forward to going to see Dolní Vestonice next year, the home of the original Czech supermodel.

Had the same feeling at Shark Bay, Australia, looking at the Stromatolites; a dream had finally come true.

Ditto for when I was lucky enough to go see Lucy in person when she was on exhibit in Houston.

Date: 2012/08/26 09:28:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2012/08/27 18:50:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (keiths @ Aug. 27 2012,14:56)
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 27 2012,11:00)
1 - Does anyone with a long memory or excellent search skills remember when KF offered to cook up some kind of voodoo doll to help some other person deal with the unbelievers? It was only a few sentences in a more 'islands' flavored dialect than his typical neo-Victorian cant.

Where's carlsonjok when you need him?

I would guess it involves activities with Arden's mom that KF would report to the local AG.

Date: 2012/08/28 19:03:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (The whole truth @ Aug. 28 2012,16:45)
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 28 2012,06:02)
New thread.
http://darwins-god.blogspot.com/2012.......ue.html

Comments are enabled, but "Comments on this blog are restricted to team members."



So, my question will not be allowed there.

And I don't see a way to become a "team member". Apparently it's by invitation only. I wonder if joey g will get an invitation?

I would guess it involves immersion in water and other rituals of that sort.

Date: 2012/09/02 14:34:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy belated birthday.

Date: 2012/09/02 15:01:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
HHaappppyy  BBiirrtthhddaayy!!

Date: 2012/11/24 15:52:19, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 24 2012,15:01)
Anybody got any guess what this Curiosity discovery is gonna be?

Paley's watch?

Date: 2012/11/26 17:53:33, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 26 2012,12:51)
Joe's fulminant come-back over at Corny's blog:
 
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Science has allowed us to learn. But what we have learned has nothing to do with materialism. Materialism cannot explain the electromagnetic, weak, strong, and gravitational forces. Nor can it explain solids and fluids.


... because ice=/=water.

Don't forget pygmies+dwarfs!!!!!

Date: 2012/11/30 20:59:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 30 2012,19:04)
I'm getting confused!  Whose thread is this, anyway?

Joe G's or FtK's?

Seriously, you two, get a room!

The magic moment when they found that room.

Date: 2012/12/09 13:15:21, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthday!

Date: 2012/12/12 17:07:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy Birthday!

Date: 2012/12/17 17:53:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Is this Gary?: That's just the current theory with evolution crossed out and the words "intelligent cause" written in crayon

Date: 2012/12/19 20:15:17, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Dec. 19 2012,17:19)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 19 2012,17:52)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 19 2012,13:34)
Actually, heddle, if you've got nothing to do, scan over his ...word usements...and see if you can tell what he's saying. We can't quite make out what exactly his theory is supposed to be.

But we've been told we are powerless to stop it from being taught in high schools.

Unlike political activists who shoot-off their mouths without knowing what they're talking about, science teachers welcome the help.  The theory is already in some high schools. Parts of it are mixed into the usual K-8 curriculum.

Tomorrow I'll be taking the high-speed press (which arrived this week) off the skids. Already have half a skid of natural white (light tan) text, for printing a nice batch of 7x10 booklets.

Can these science teachers explain what the hell you have been prattling about for so long?

If so, can you send one of them here please?

I'm a high school teacher, and I sure as hell can't explain what Gary's on about.  For example, we know Gary thinks science shouldn't be based on falsifiability.  But can we get him to tell us how we tell whether a theory (which doesn't mean what we all teach it means apparently) is worthwhile?  No, we cannot.  And, Gary, showing us a graph that would get a high school student an F for not having any labels is not an answer to that question.

Date: 2012/12/19 20:22:03, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 19 2012,18:27)
Village idiot of the interwebs has a 'solution' to end school shootings, that is also 'free'! 3 armed police at every school...

http://www.blogger.com/comment....3821047

Being the civic minded sort that he is, I'm sure Joe will be leading the effort to raise the tax money to pay all those new officers.  And the recruiting effort to hire so many new cops.  Now there's a jobs program!

Date: 2012/12/26 22:39:05, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Went with the family to the Perot Museum of Science and Nature in Dallas today.  As I was guiding a 4 and a 6 year old, I didn't manage to look closely at everything, but I was very pleased overall.  The Big Bang/Universe section was very nicely done, as was the dinosaur area.  There was a very nice section on evolutionary adaptations.  There were a couple of small displays on human evolution: one a nice column of hominid skull photos (I made my wife the anthropologist i.d. each fossil), the other was the featured the radial tree of life and discussed of all living things are related.  Given the wide diversity of topics covered, I thought it was an adequate presentation; certainly unapologetically pro-science.  If nothing else it was wonderful to see a science museum so busy here in Texas.

The only down moment was a woman who apologized for being in the way as she was photographing a display on Hubble, saying "Sorry, my family loves astrology".  I walked by with a slight facial tic, but decided to just move on.

Date: 2013/01/02 18:54:53, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Shorter Gary: My sim goes up to eleven.

Date: 2013/01/03 11:20:18, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 03 2013,10:29)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 03 2013,08:45)
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 03 2013,06:36)
...and hence (to add) helps Gary not one bit. Which rearrangement, if any, is the 'good guess'?

All of the rearrangements are a "good guess".

So how does your model differ from evolution?

You know he's just going to post that diagram again, right?

Date: 2013/01/20 19:46:13, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 20 2013,19:06)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 20 2013,18:36)
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Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 20 2013,09:47)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 19 2013,15:45)
It's turning out to be more like a flustering of the tail feathers of some evolutionary biologists, who thought their EA/GA's could not be beat for explaining the origin of intelligent living things.

Can you give an example of an evolutionary biologist who thinks that GAs are used to explain the "...origin of intelligent living things"?

Isn't it rather self-defeating to suggest that GA's have zero relevance to biology where intelligence clearly exists in at least brains?

I'm being specific in regards to the basic cognitive science required for modeling the "intelligence", which must be accounted for or the model is incomplete.

You made a false statement in suggesting that "some evolutionary biologists" claim that GAs explain the origin of living things.  If your "theory" is so great, why do you have to lie to support it?

Then you are saying evolutionary biologists will all agree with your (not my) suggestion that their GA's have zero relevance to biology?

Are you saying that the only way something can have any relevance to biology is if someone claims it can explain the origin of living things?  Or is your idosyncratic use of the English language perhaps leaking into your reading comprehension?

Date: 2013/01/20 20:33:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 20 2013,20:27)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 20 2013,19:46)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 20 2013,19:06)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 20 2013,18:36)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 20 2013,17:11)
   
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Jan. 20 2013,09:47)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 19 2013,15:45)
It's turning out to be more like a flustering of the tail feathers of some evolutionary biologists, who thought their EA/GA's could not be beat for explaining the origin of intelligent living things.

Can you give an example of an evolutionary biologist who thinks that GAs are used to explain the "...origin of intelligent living things"?

Isn't it rather self-defeating to suggest that GA's have zero relevance to biology where intelligence clearly exists in at least brains?

I'm being specific in regards to the basic cognitive science required for modeling the "intelligence", which must be accounted for or the model is incomplete.

You made a false statement in suggesting that "some evolutionary biologists" claim that GAs explain the origin of living things.  If your "theory" is so great, why do you have to lie to support it?

Then you are saying evolutionary biologists will all agree with your (not my) suggestion that their GA's have zero relevance to biology?

Are you saying that the only way something can have any relevance to biology is if someone claims it can explain the origin of living things?  Or is your idosyncratic use of the English language perhaps leaking into your reading comprehension?

I am saying that evolutionary biologists count on their GA's having some relevance to biology, or else they cannot (even rudimentarily) demonstrate "evolution" or anything else with them. Would be rather difficult to find an evolutionary biologist that doesn't thing GA's have relevance to intelligent living things, when that's what they use to model them!

But do they claim that GAs EXPLAIN THE ORIGIN OF LIVING THINGS?  Not help demonstrate part of how evolution works, not are relevant to biology.  Do you see what we're getting at here Gary?  Try to see the words we use, not the words you wish we would use.

Date: 2013/01/20 22:09:32, Link
Author: Texas Teach
So that's as close as you're gonna get to admitting you were full of crap about claims for GAs?  

And for the nth fucking time, nobody has to explain molecular intelligence until you provide some evidence it exists in the real world.  Until then you're just engaged in a variation of the Chewbacca Defense.

Date: 2013/01/23 16:54:39, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Happy birthdays, gentlemen.

Date: 2013/01/24 19:03:55, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 24 2013,18:43)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 24 2013,18:32)
Is anything faster than a point whizzing past Gary's grasp?

Glen Davidson

Statements that get the rumor mill going are not amusing when it's you who has to endure them.

No, what's amusing is you somehow missing the point of the most famously cliche leading question in the English language.  Even more amusing is you continuing to miss the point after more than one person tried to give you a clue about missing the point.  Hint: you asked a question that was as transparent in its attempt to force a false answer as the classic wife beating question.

Date: 2013/01/26 11:18:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Gary, did Galileo have evidence for heliocentrism?

Did he draw the Earth going around the Sun and claim that was proof of his theory?

Have you been banned from writing or speaking about your notions (under pain of torture), or have you been mocked for not having convincing evidence?

Do you understand why comparing yourself to Galileo makes you look like someone with delusions of grandeur?

Date: 2013/01/26 12:47:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,11:38)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 26 2013,11:18)
Gary, did Galileo have evidence for heliocentrism?

Did he draw the Earth going around the Sun and claim that was proof of his theory?

Have you been banned from writing or speaking about your notions (under pain of torture), or have you been mocked for not having convincing evidence?

Do you understand why comparing yourself to Galileo makes you look like someone with delusions of grandeur?

Typical demeaning responses of an academic apologists. The theory that is supposed to be under discussion is ignored.

In the case of Galileo there was already the theory from Nicolaus Copernicus for academic authority to study. Galileo  supported theory that was already there for anyone to read. He did not have to draw the Earth going around the Sun and claim that was proof of his theory, it was not even his theory that he was defending, it was one from someone else who died 21 years before Galileo was born.

So I guess I can grade that as a 25% if I'm being generous.  You skipped questions 1, 3, and 4.  You, of course missed the point of question 2, that your little programs are a doodle of the Earth going around the Sun, but that's not surprising at this point.

As to your comments about Copernicus (and we all love how you think you're telling us something new.  For fuck's sake, Gary, I teach children who are smarter than you about Copernicus and Galileo), did Galileo have evidence to help support Copernicus, or did he keep whining about being oppressed?

Date: 2013/01/26 13:04:52, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,12:57)
I'm not going to bother answering the last pile of trash-talk from Texas Teach. It's too obvious they ignored the last reply, in order to throw more insults instead of evidence for or against this theory.

Hahahahahahaha

Date: 2013/01/26 15:53:48, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 26 2013,15:43)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,15:15)
All of the great theories I know of were explained in book form. Newton, Copernicus, Einstein, Darwin, Galileo.

I have some photocopies from some 1905 editions of Annalen der Physik that beg to differ.....

Don't you hidebound academics know how much pain you are causing Gary with your "facts" and "evidence"?

Date: 2013/01/26 16:14:06, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,15:55)
The phenomenon to explain is called "intelligent cause".

Discussion of anything else is just another attempt to derail this thread.

All please try to stay on topic.

Sure, it's explained by this: Theory. Evidence for theory include:

Do humans develop from egg cells
Is the sky blue
Can ghosts be eaten after ingesting a Power pellet
Is the advancement of levels after clearing all pacdots supported by evidence

Please remember that accusations of suppression by the hidebound academic illuminati are off topic to this thread and make us laugh so hard the beverages we are drinking come out our respective noses.

Date: 2013/01/26 16:41:42, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,16:30)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 26 2013,16:14)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,15:55)
The phenomenon to explain is called "intelligent cause".

Discussion of anything else is just another attempt to derail this thread.

All please try to stay on topic.

Sure, it's explained by this: Theory. Evidence for theory include:

Do humans develop from egg cells
Is the sky blue
Can ghosts be eaten after ingesting a Power pellet
Is the advancement of levels after clearing all pacdots supported by evidence

Please remember that accusations of suppression by the hidebound academic illuminati are off topic to this thread and make us laugh so hard the beverages we are drinking come out our respective noses.

Science teachers who are unable to test this high school level theory with their high school level knowledge should not be teaching science.

You're off topic, giggles.  I'm discussing my explanation of intelligent cause.  Can you prove it wrong?  Or are you part of the hidebound academic establishment that wants to suppress my beautiful theory?

Date: 2013/01/26 17:11:16, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,17:04)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 26 2013,16:41)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,16:30)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 26 2013,16:14)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 26 2013,15:55)
The phenomenon to explain is called "intelligent cause".

Discussion of anything else is just another attempt to derail this thread.

All please try to stay on topic.

Sure, it's explained by this: Theory. Evidence for theory include:

Do humans develop from egg cells
Is the sky blue
Can ghosts be eaten after ingesting a Power pellet
Is the advancement of levels after clearing all pacdots supported by evidence

Please remember that accusations of suppression by the hidebound academic illuminati are off topic to this thread and make us laugh so hard the beverages we are drinking come out our respective noses.

Science teachers who are unable to test this high school level theory with their high school level knowledge should not be teaching science.

You're off topic, giggles.  I'm discussing my explanation of intelligent cause.  Can you prove it wrong?  Or are you part of the hidebound academic establishment that wants to suppress my beautiful theory?

I can easily prove that an old pac-man game is not capable of producing an intelligent causation event. But only a nutcase would bother to take you seriously and set up a test to see whether such an arcade game is intelligent and can self-replicate to by emergence form another intelligence such as much larger living and breathing pac-man arcade game for a mile tall giant to play.

Your beautiful theory is just another attempt to substitute science, with your religious politics.

Until you can test my theory and prove it wrong you are just a science stopper who wants to replace science with the religion of your hidebound academic masters.  Now you are causing me so much pain I might die.

Date: 2013/01/27 18:06:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Jan. 27 2013,16:17)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 27 2013,15:42)
Simple question:  What do almost all "blacklisted theories" have in common?

They eventually became the most important theories in science. That’s because the more paradigm changing they are, the harder hidebound academics fight them. Therefore Galileo and others ended up in a battle where they were forced to instead address their arguments to the enlightened public at large.

History is repeating itself. And all who see no importance in trying to make sense of the theory are getting what they deserve, for having chosen the path they took...

What is you think we're getting, Gary?  Other than some amusement at your expense, I don't think I've gotten anything yet.

Maybe you meant "will get"?  What exactly will we get, Gary?  And can you give us a timetable?

Date: 2013/01/27 18:25:30, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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No.

What you have is a Visual Basic program that teaches people how to draw pictures of fish.

Yawn.  Again.

Should I make the obvious pun based on that straight line? :)

Probably better to let them learn to do it for themselves...

Date: 2013/01/27 18:36:20, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Simple question:  What do almost all "blacklisted theories" have in common?

They eventually became the most important theories in science. That’s because the more paradigm changing they are, the harder hidebound academics fight them. Therefore Galileo and others ended up in a battle where they were forced to instead address their arguments to the enlightened public at large.

History is repeating itself. And all who see no importance in trying to make sense of the theory are getting what they deserve, for having chosen the path they took...

What is you think we're getting, Gary?  Other than some amusement at your expense, I don't think I've gotten anything yet.

Maybe you meant "will get"?  What exactly will we get, Gary?  And can you give us a timetable?

You get a surge of state bills and other measures to take away your ability to bully others for discussing this theory in the public school classroom. Or in other words, you and all other hidebound academics are being rendered totally powerless.

Gary, do you really think any of that could ever benefit your idea?  Even if any of those ever get voted out and don't get struck down on constitutional grounds, what makes you think anyone wants to teach your ideas?   You've said you don't like the ID that they tried to push in Dover, right?  Would you be happy teaching straight Biblical creationism? The folks proposing those bills want Jesus, not "molecular intelligence".  Or is the whole point of your crusade really about Jesus, too?  And remember, there are rules about bearing false witness...

Date: 2013/01/31 18:15:23, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds (I am now experiencing)

By whom, exactly?

Look in a mirror.

How exactly has Steve "Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds " be specific. He can't sue you for defimation if it's not true.

Like me calling you a liar. I'm perfectly safe.

Helping US taxpayer funded academia suppress religiously inconvenient scientific theory (that is easily evidenced by how cells self-organize to produce a human or other multicellular intelligence) is direct participation in a First Amendment violation.

You are already guilty. Only question is, how much longer your religious group can get away with it.

Just to be clear, which religious group is that?

Date: 2013/01/31 20:32:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds (I am now experiencing)

By whom, exactly?

Look in a mirror.

How exactly has Steve "Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds " be specific. He can't sue you for defimation if it's not true.

Like me calling you a liar. I'm perfectly safe.

Helping US taxpayer funded academia suppress religiously inconvenient scientific theory (that is easily evidenced by how cells self-organize to produce a human or other multicellular intelligence) is direct participation in a First Amendment violation.

You are already guilty. Only question is, how much longer your religious group can get away with it.

Just to be clear, which religious group is that?

You do not have to be of any certain religion to impose your religious views upon others.

Would the Dover school board members have been found innocent where instead of using arguments found in Creationism to suppress scientific theory they used arguments from the other religious side of the issue that are found in Atheism to suppress scientific theory?

Gary, that was an evasion.  Man up and be clear.  You said "your religious group".  If you mean atheists, do you think that applies to everyone here on this board?  Do you think it applies to all of the "hidebound academics" who you believe are suppressing you?  Remember that we will require evidence for either of those claims.

Date: 2013/02/01 16:37:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds (I am now experiencing)

By whom, exactly?

Look in a mirror.

How exactly has Steve "Organized suppression of a scientific theory on religious grounds " be specific. He can't sue you for defimation if it's not true.

Like me calling you a liar. I'm perfectly safe.

Helping US taxpayer funded academia suppress religiously inconvenient scientific theory (that is easily evidenced by how cells self-organize to produce a human or other multicellular intelligence) is direct participation in a First Amendment violation.

You are already guilty. Only question is, how much longer your religious group can get away with it.

Just to be clear, which religious group is that?

You do not have to be of any certain religion to impose your religious views upon others.

Would the Dover school board members have been found innocent where instead of using arguments found in Creationism to suppress scientific theory they used arguments from the other religious side of the issue that are found in Atheism to suppress scientific theory?

Gary, that was an evasion.  Man up and be clear.  You said "your religious group".  If you mean atheists, do you think that applies to everyone here on this board?  Do you think it applies to all of the "hidebound academics" who you believe are suppressing you?  Remember that we will require evidence for either of those claims.

What I have been saying is the when you join a group of any kind or any religion (all people have a religion) which uses taxpayer funded academia to religiously attack scientific theory you are imposing your religious beliefs on others, and are no better than the Dover school board members (who could have all been Atheists claiming that they are not religious but they still would have been found guilty).

But Gary, that still doesn't address the notion that some religious group is suppressing your "science".  Not everyone here is an atheist or agnostic.  At least one of the Christians here has tried to clue you in to your mistaken impression.  And if you're talking about all the scientists in the world who think you're full of crap...I mean suppressing you, then they probably belong to every religious group you can think of.  If that's the case, isn't it more likely that they think you're full of crap for reasons unrelated to religion?

Date: 2013/02/01 17:08:58, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 01 2013,17:04)
All I can say is: What a bunch of scientifically useless creeps (left posting) in this forum.

Says the guy with 751 posts here.

Date: 2013/02/01 20:53:35, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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I hope that all of you persecutors recognize that it was the pointing out of colossally faulty assumptions, complaints that he didn't comport himself with the standards of science, laughing at his many mistakes, snide remarks, and jeers, that made Galileo recant his position on heliocentrism.  He just couldn't take it, and was unable to properly answer his critics, just like Gary.

Yes, the similarities are downright eerie.

Glen Davidson

All I want to see is your model that demonstrates how biological systems self-learn. The ONLY one that was ever presented in this thread is the one I showed that (among others showing the same thing) has been around for several decades from David Heiserman that applies to cells on up and later Professor Arnold Trehub who showed the same basic schematic for the human brain:



Arnold Trehub, "The Cognitive Brain", MIT Press 1991, Chapter 9, Page 158, Fig 9.3
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....er9.pdf
http://people.umass.edu/trehub.....ub....b

Why are you again discrediting me by claiming the same old rubbish that was already proven to be trash?

The mystery deepens every day...

If only for Gary.

Glen Davidson

As it stands, not a single shred of evidence against the model that forms the core of this theory has been presented in this forum. Only thing that has been presented are insulting excuses for not having one.

Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.

Date: 2013/02/01 21:24:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.

I hope you are really not a science teacher. If true then I can see why so many in Texas are fed-up with the quality of science education in your state. I show you the cognitive circuit commonly found in science and you trash it? WoW!!

You could show me the periodic table, but if you claimed it was proof of molecular intelligence, I'd tell you that you are full of crap.  You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.  Do you, or do you not have actual evidence that molecules follow that circuit anywhere outside your video game?

But here's a science question for you from an actual science teacher: can you please tell us what the weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc) are like up on that cross?

Date: 2013/02/02 07:15:40, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Just like you never presented a shred of evidence against my Pac-Theory.  Funny how that works isn't it?  It's hard to make scientific answers in response to rambling nonsense.

I hope you are really not a science teacher. If true then I can see why so many in Texas are fed-up with the quality of science education in your state. I show you the cognitive circuit commonly found in science and you trash it? WoW!!

You could show me the periodic table, but if you claimed it was proof of molecular intelligence, I'd tell you that you are full of crap.  You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.  Do you, or do you not have actual evidence that molecules follow that circuit anywhere outside your video game?

But here's a science question for you from an actual science teacher: can you please tell us what the weather conditions (temp, humidity, etc) are like up on that cross?

Now we are back to misrepresenting the theory by claiming that I am saying all molecules are intelligent when in fact a molecular intelligence system normally requires millions or billions of them (a collective).

And I must add that the Periodic Table of the Elements only shows the "atoms" not "molecules". Texas Teach does not even know the difference? Molecules are made of two or more atoms, by the way..

Your lack of any proof for intelligent groups of billions of molecules is obvious here, giggles.  By the way, how many DNA molecules do you need in one place to become intelligent?  How do you know it's that number and not another?

ETA: p.s.  Gary the periodic table does not show atoms.  It shows elements if you want to be a fucking coward and play semantic games instead of being honest.

Date: 2013/02/02 16:35:15, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 02 2013,07:33)
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You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.

I need you to explain how String Theory which is known to be incomplete and cannot even be tested can be a "Theory".

The same goes for Einstein's theories which match observations and have made predictions but whether or not the mechanisms he described actually exist in reality are impossible to verify to your satisfaction.

Please do a good job explaining your contradictions. Lurkers are interested in learning from your responses.

1). Don't think that I (or your imagined lurkers) failed to notice that instead of answering a request for evidence for the "theory" you came here to talk about, you instead tried to make me defend established science.  Why won't you defend you own idea?

2) String Theory is, as I'm sure you're aware, a bit beyond my pay grade to critique.  I understand a few of the basic ideas, but I can't judge the mathematical accuracy.  I do understand that some scientists are concerned by the lack of tests, and I've heard some complain about using the word theory in connection with strings.  Olegt or heddle might want to have a go, but I'll pass.  And since I didn't come here demanding others accept my revolutionary new ideas about Strings, I can do so with a clear conscience.

3). I see that you would like us to view your notions at the same level as relativity (hubris much?).  But the biggest problem with complaining that we're judging your ideas more harshly than relativity is that  the tests of relativity did something important that you keep avoiding:  distinguish between a result that is consistent with relativity and one that would be inconsistent with it.  It's (at the risk of using one of your trigger words and derailing this conversation) that damned falsification concept you run screaming from.  You need, as numerous others have already told you, a way to distinguish your mechanism's results from others.  How can we tell the difference between an organism assembled by "molecular intelligence" and one assembled by chemical interactions alone?

4) I think we can do an experiment as to your lurker hypothesis:  Oh, lurkers!  Please come tell us if you think Gary is onto something.  Or if you've learned anything and from whom.
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Date: 2013/02/02 18:29:11, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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You have to show that your circuit has anything to do with real life molecules being intelligent if you want us to take you seriously.

I need you to explain how String Theory which is known to be incomplete and cannot even be tested can be a "Theory".

The same goes for Einstein's theories which match observations and have made predictions but whether or not the mechanisms he described actually exist in reality are impossible to verify to your satisfaction.

Please do a good job explaining your contradictions. Lurkers are interested in learning from your responses.

1). Don't think that I (or your imagined lurkers) failed to notice that instead of answering a request for evidence for the "theory" you came here to talk about, you instead tried to make me defend established science.  Why won't you defend you own idea?

2) String Theory is, as I'm sure you're aware, a bit beyond my pay grade to critique.  I understand a few of the basic ideas, but I can't judge the mathematical accuracy.  I do understand that some scientists are concerned by the lack of tests, and I've heard some complain about using the word theory in connection with strings.  Olegt or heddle might want to have a go, but I'll pass.  And since I didn't come here demanding others accept my revolutionary new ideas about Strings, I can do so with a clear conscience.

3). I see that you would like us to view your notions at the same level as relativity (hubris much?).  But the biggest problem with complaining that we're judging your ideas more harshly than relativity is that  the tests of relativity did something important that you keep avoiding:  distinguish between a result that is consistent with relativity and one that would be inconsistent with it.  It's (at the risk of using one of your trigger words and derailing this conversation) that damned falsification concept you run screaming from.  You need, as numerous others have already told you, a way to distinguish your mechanism's results from others.  How can we tell the difference between an organism assembled by "molecular intelligence" and one assembled by chemical interactions alone?

4) I think we can do an experiment as to your lurker hypothesis:  Oh, lurkers!  Please come tell us if you think Gary is onto something.  Or if you've learned anything and from whom.
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In this case it is best to let others judge (what turned to be) your newest allegations against me, and your scientific method that requires falsification philosophy (as though it's impossible to find incoherence in the theory which is not true anyhow) and lets others in your group decide for you (instead of teaching how to at least try to judge on their own).

Number 3 makes it obvious that you are again accusing the theory and I of making supernatural claims (which is very untrue and very damaging) so I'll just leave things at that, because I'm sure an objective reader knows that you are asking another ridiculous question in order to twist the truth again. The answer by the way, is they are the exact same thing. It's like sternly asking an apple farmer you are accusing of religious fanaticism "How do we tell the difference between an apple and an apple?" then getting angry because they think you're nuts.

Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick.  Gary, you have completely failed to understand what I was saying.  You have given me some insight into your problem with falsification. Falsifiable does NOT mean false.  But I give up trying to explain that to you as you have some odd hatred for the concept (which is from the philosophy OF SCIENCE) and is part of the attempt to study how science works, not to force philosophy on science.

As to your complete failure to address point three, I see that part of the problem is that you can't seem to understand what all of us having been asking you for months.  We're not asking you to distinguish religion from your notions (at least not right now).  We're trying to get you to tell us how to tell if your mechanism really happens or not.  To use your apple farmer analogy:  if the farmer claimed that the spots on his apples were caused by insects,and I believed they were caused by a virus, we would need a way to test which of us was correct.  What we are all asking you is to tell us how we can test whether organisms are put together by intelligence or by the "dumb" forces of chemistry and physics with this intelligence factor you propose.

Perhaps what you are saying is that this molecular intelligence of yours is part of the laws of chemistry and can't be distinguished from them.  If that's the case, then the question from me is why we should bother with your idea at all.  If it works just like dumb chemistry and is impossible to tell apart, then I don't see how your notion adds anything.

So, how about you try addressing what I actually say instead of trying to show off how persecuted you are here in the place you came to and choose to stay in?  Because if all you can do is ignore half of what I say and misread and get pissed off at the other half, then I'll just go back to the far less typing intensive task of mocking you.

Date: 2013/02/02 18:51:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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In this case it is best to let others judge (what turned to be) your newest allegations against me, and your scientific method that requires falsification philosophy (as though it's impossible to find incoherence in the theory which is not true anyhow) and lets others in your group decide for you (instead of teaching how to at least try to judge on their own).

Can you get your wife or somebody to rewrite this so that an English-speaking person can understand it?

I think I manage to actually parse some of this...

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In this case it is best to let others judge


Gary imagines there are lots of lurkers rooting for him or possibly waiting to see how right he his.  I'll believe it when they appear.

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(what turned to be) your newest allegations against me,


what turned out to be.  Gary is expressing his deep hurt that I said things that he, and he alone, thinks were saying bad stuff about him and his beautiful theory.
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and your scientific method that requires falsification philosophy (as though it's impossible to find incoherence in the theory which is not true anyhow)


The usual mad-on for falsification, plus a bonus.  He seems to think that falsification is unnecessary because you can only use to prove false theories false.  This is similar to afdave's problems with the idea.  Gary doesn't seem to get that falsifiable isn't the same as false, and thinks it's better to just look for "incoherence" in ideas to tell whether they're true or not.  Some of us realize it's possible to write a completely logically coherent idea that is dead wrong.

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and lets others in your group decide for you (instead of teaching how to at least try to judge on their own).


I'm fuzzy on this, but I think he's bitching because I declined to take his bait and discuss a subject about which I feel unqualified to express an expert opinion.  I guess in Gary's mind, it's better to pretend to know what you're talking about than to defer to someone who actually does.

That's my theory of what Gary meant, but unfortunately we can never test it for truth because that would be philosophy and das ist verboten.

Date: 2013/02/03 21:19:41, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I can see it now.  All those science teachers out there thinking "Gee, I wish I had something that added in a bunch of stuff about cognitive science, which is no part of the curriculum in any class.  I wonder if there's a 50+ page incoherent manifesto I could read with all the spare time I have in my day."

Ogre, can you guys start writing test items now?  Cause this going to be big.

(yep, mockery is a far better use of my time.)

Date: 2013/02/03 21:55:47, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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....cognitive science, which is no part of the curriculum in any class.

In this day and age I would be ashamed of that. Are you proud of it?

We don't teach archaeology in K-12 either.  It's one of many potentially interesting things that just won't fit.  That's what college is for.  But that might be a problem for Gary since all he does is insult the very people who might be his only hope, those hidebound academics.

Date: 2013/02/04 16:49:46, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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This explains what is most important to know, instead of forcing students to read books worth of pro-con opinion that they they then have to try making sense of.


Ever notice how Darwin always employed arguments of pro/con?


I found his book so dreadfully boring I gave up on trying to read it all. Maybe it's me, but I just want to see what what the science looks like, structure of the theory's model.

 
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I've never been bothered by trying to 'make sense of". I've read a lot, an awfui lot, all my life from four to eighty-two and have always enjoyed 'trying to make sense of'. Most of the time the books have made good sense, whether I've been in agreement or not.

The only problem are all the cases where my background knowlede has been insufficient, especially in mathematics, calculus, chemistry, bio-chemistry, genetics, cladistics, nuclear physics, quantum mechanics and other exotic subjects.

But OTOH, those cases have been a challenge as well, forcing me to make an effort. That's good for learning.

I have a problem with James Shapiro, though.

the trick is to realize that you don't always need to know all the bottom-down stuff as long as you can have some confidence that it has been taken care of. I believe in both protein folding and quantum entanglement, and above all, emergence. I don't think you have a proper understanding of emergence. What emerges on a higher level is of course dependent on the level from wich it emerges - but the interesting thing about that is that even if the lower level would be different, the higher level would be the same. Such as in hydrodynamics.

Laws emerge from self-organizatorial processes, laws that cannot be predicted from the details of the lower level they descend from.

Or take water. Water and vapor are two different phases, but if you increase the pressure the phases disappear, there is no longer 'vapor here and water there.' What's different is that the surface disappears, the diseappearance of a surface is the interesting part about it. The surface of water is a very important feature.

That's how I interpret what I've read, hope I am not too wrong.

What your model lacks is a good sprinkling of Thiotimoline, it can do wonders!


I don't need fictitious chemistry, and have a more than adequate knowledge of emergence to explain how it works in the theory:

The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, a nonrandom force guided self-assembly  process whereby an intelligent collective entity is emergent from another intelligent entity in multiple levels of increasingly complex organization producing self-similar entities systematically in their own image, likeness. As in a fractal, a systematic algorithm/process produces multiple emergent fractal-similar designs at successive size scales (subatomic -> molecular -> cellular -> multicellular).

   
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ETA: Would a duck in the Cambrian do instead of a rabbit? I need to know before I go looking.


No, a duck would not work either. You need something that would end all lab evolution experiments and cause scientists to retract all the papers ever written which pertain to "evolution". Good luck on that!

You continue to misunderstand the falsification principle, and continue to proudly demonstrate that you don't understand it.  

The idea of any impending falsification of a theory as well-supported as biological evolution is silly. Nonetheless, this doesn't mean that the theory is "complete" or 100% correct in alll regards. That's why we still have evolutionary biologists.  

The falsification principle does apply in a general sense however, because the body of knowledge is dynamic, and new claims require new evidence that is consilient with their predictions.  If hypotheses can't be falisfied--if it's not possible for there to be evidence that contradicts an hypothesis--the hypothesis is useless and there's no point in doing any experiments.  

Somewhere in the vast archives of AtBC someone, and I think it was Steve Story, made a remark something like, "Stupid people try to prove themselves correct; smart people try to prove themselves wrong."

It's your "theory", and it's your responsibility to try to think of every way possible that your "theory" might be wrong.  That's where falsification comes in.

This is a common problem with the falsification impaired.  Gary is looking at a very robust theory and trying to say that one data point wouldn't falsify the whole thing.  One rabbit would be such a weird anomaly that scientist's first reaction would be to look for error, or fraud, or an exception.  Because otherwise one data point would mean every other data point for the last 150 years was wrong.  Atomic theory is, in principle, falsifiable, but one substance not made of atoms wouldn't have us chucking it out overnight.

Gary's delusions of grandeur have him thinking that his little not-a-theory is as resilient as evolution or atoms and so he thinks we have a double standard because those theories are treated as far more solid than his.  He really thinks that little program is the equivalent of hundreds of years of experiments passed.  And this is why we laugh at him.  (well, that and the writing that looks like he escaped from Wonderland.)

Date: 2013/02/05 16:40:49, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 04 2013,23:50)
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FALSIFICATION

It is said that finding a rabbit fossil in the Cambrian period (where none should exist) would “falsify” current evolutionary theory, but in reality such a discovery would only lead to alien pet rabbit and time travel theories. Lab evolution experiments would continue. Therefore opponents of this Theory of Intelligent Design may endlessly reject the numerous ways to equally falsify it, even though they cannot falsify the theory they wrongly believe is evidence against this one. As a result this controversial philosophy (of science) became a political tactic that can stop any theory from being accepted. For that reason falsification is here considered an unscientific science-stopper, and will not be entertained in the following scientific text. A theory is a testable best explanation for how a phenomenon works, and philosophical/religious arguments against it are as out of bounds of science as are philosophical/religious arguments for it.


Now look how "Texas Teach" had to AGREE with me on the above point while being unable to find something to (as per Karl Popper) falsify Darwinian evolutionary theory:

     
Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 04 2013,16:49)

This is a common problem with the falsification impaired.  Gary is looking at a very robust theory and trying to say that one data point wouldn't falsify the whole thing.  One rabbit would be such a weird anomaly that scientist's first reaction would be to look for error, or fraud, or an exception.  Because otherwise one data point would mean every other data point for the last 150 years was wrong.  Atomic theory is, in principle, falsifiable, but one substance not made of atoms wouldn't have us chucking it out overnight.

Gary's delusions of grandeur have him thinking that his little not-a-theory is as resilient as evolution or atoms and so he thinks we have a double standard because those theories are treated as far more solid than his.  He really thinks that little program is the equivalent of hundreds of years of experiments passed.  And this is why we laugh at him.  (well, that and the writing that looks like he escaped from Wonderland.)

Crank it up!!!
Nazareth - Hair of the Dog - Now You're Messing with a Son of a Bitch!

Your reading comprehension really sucks, Gary.  Or maybe it's just that you don't understand nuance.  Either way, it reaffirms my thought that try to communicate with you is a waste of time.

Personally, I find it hysterical that after swearing he had tons and tons of evidence, Gary now says he knows he'd have some if only someone would run his video game on a supercomputer.

Date: 2013/02/06 18:24:00, Link
Author: Texas Teach
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 06 2013,17:51)


SCIENCE MARCHES ON!

Someone get that man an award for his sig.

Date: 2013/02/09 12:10:28, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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The behavior of matter level only has to produce molecular intelligence for all intelligence levels to emerge, after each learns how to form a collective to produce a self-learning system at the next level. As in a fractal, a systematic algorithm/process produces multiple emergent fractal-similar designs at successive size scales. The only difference is each level has to learn how to produce the next level intelligence, which it always eventually does, then in time all others are back every time. A relatively simple computer model that does not make much of a cell might also work this way.


"As in a fractal, a systematic algorithm/process produces multiple emergent fractal-similar designs at successive size scales" does indeed sort of describe what you think you doing in your program.  However, sorry, no, it does not adequately improve your presentation of your ideas.  You are still assuming your desired conclusions with regard to "theory", "science", and "intelligence", and for that matter, "learns", "collective", and so on.  Making an assertion does not count as supporting evidence or proof.  

Here's a better statement of your concept: "If I change the meaning of the word intelligent so that it can be applied to any form of chemical bonding and some basic physics, then I can claim that anything I want can be described as being caused by intelligence, therefore everything leading up to the emergence of life and everything following from it has been caused by intelligence."

Thus stated, even you might detect the circularity in your claim.

Well in this case I certainly cannot afford to test it myself, and it's important for ones who are planning on trying to program a model or just like to know, so it needs to be in the theory using proper "qualifiers" which it has such as "might" where theory cannot reliably predict what will happen. Note slight rephrasing to better condense information but still the same qualifier:

   
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The behavior of matter level only has to produce molecular intelligence for all intelligence levels to emerge, after each learns how to form a collective to produce a self-learning system at the next level. As in a fractal, a systematic algorithm/process produces multiple emergent fractal-similar designs at successive size scales. Each level has to learn how to produce the next level intelligence, but it always eventually does therefore all other levels reemerge. A relatively simple computer model that does not make much of a cell might likewise still produce multiple fractal-similar levels.


The last sentence of the paragraph ends with "fractal-similar" which is where it fits into the logic. In only a 2D world flatland model the result are predicted to be flatland cellular intelligence systems then multicellular intelligence that emerges is not 3D or look like us, the resulting entities would most be in the likeness of what you started with in the virtual world, yet intelligence that emerges is in time capable of reaching our intelligence level. I better put the last sentence I just wrote into the theory too!

Because you seem constitutionally incapable of understanding how poor your writing skills are, and how much of an impediment that is to expressing your ideas, I suggest that the first sentence of your "theory" should be "It was a dark and stormy night."

It might have been a dark and stormy night.  I certainly can't afford to test it myself.

Date: 2013/02/11 16:38:27, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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With it looking like how it starts on into Introduction all there (or at least good enough for now) it seems like the new line chart for the Cambrian Explosion is becoming the next priority.

I nominate this for the Worst Sentence Ever award.

But there's this from merely one paragraph(?) before:
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I told him this is right now where the most vocal in what may potentially make it into public school science classrooms are going over what I have for the new press (that needed some work) and it looks like there’s not much left to argue here.


Your example is the winner but maybe there's some sort of lifetime achievement award.

I never thought I'd find someone who could out word salad Denyse, but Gary really does.  Byers can write nonsense, but that's just low IQ, which doesn't seem to be Gary's major problem.

Maybe we could get William Shatner to do a spoken word version of Gary's opus?

Date: 2013/02/13 16:43:51, Link
Author: Texas Teach
I used to know several people from Springfield who pronounced the state's name as Misery.

Having taught in Columbia years ago, it's the other sane part of the state besides the two big cities.

Date: 2013/02/15 16:45:57, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Any suggestions on what I should use for a hopefully GPU enabled language?

I don't know about the coding but you could try writing the "theory" in English

Oh he's trying.  He's failing, but he's trying.

Date: 2013/02/16 22:42:44, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Why should the Cambrian "explosion" be regarded as a problem for the current theory?

As I understand it, that was a period of time during which predecessors of several animal phyla became sufficiently numerous to start leaving fossils scattered around, within some tens of millions of years of each other.


Regardless of how much faith you have, your belief that "evolution" did it is not scientific evidence.

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That's not inconsistent with the known mechanisms in the theory of evolution, whether it was the diversification of some lineage that had a recent innovation, or a reaction to an overall change in the environment that enabled larger organisms in general to function (increase in availability of oxygen, maybe?).

Henry

Show me your experiment which will reliably conclude that filling a large sterile container with oxygen will (magically?) produce new phyla inside it. If your experiment requires more than just oxygen, then your hypothesis is already in big trouble.

Does Giggles think the Earth was sterile before the Cambrian Explosion?  Or is just being a dishonest asshat?

Date: 2013/02/20 16:34:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Oh, if you haven't read, Nick's coming to Houston to have lunch with Tour, change his diaper or whatever.  Should be entertaining.

BTW, I've eaten at the Rice faculty dining room and it is quite excellent.

As long as they don't let Dembski in.  Gotta have some standards.

Date: 2013/02/23 13:11:50, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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I recall that there was a thread detailing the many faculty fired from religious schools for teaching science, or questioning BS like Noah's Flood (eg Dembski).

But, I don't recall where the thread was. Does anyone here know?

Is this it?

Date: 2013/02/26 20:34:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
There really should be an Internet law (akin to Godwin's) that any use of Casey Luskin in support of how sciencey your idea is results in your automatically losing the argument immediately.

Date: 2013/03/01 21:51:14, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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But of course, Gould is an example a second-layer editing issue, not the first layer editing that Gary needs.

 
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But of course, Gould is an example of a second-layer editing issue, not the first layer editing that Gary needs.

FIFY somewhat but it still needs work, yuck..

It's still better than, "FIFY somewhat but it still needs work, yuck.."

Needs two heres and a complaint about having one's life's work ruined by the nattering nay bobs of negativity.

Date: 2013/03/05 16:30:43, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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ETA: My 300th post and i'm proud of it.  Sorry, Arthur & Stanley.

Slow clap.

Date: 2013/03/06 16:53:36, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Why is it that a diagnostic trait of science crackpots is whining about being shut out of the academy when they haven't made any attempt to get in the door the same way everyone else does?

I think it has a lot to do with being unable to fathom why everyone else doesn't immediately recognize their genius and exclaim "of course, why didn't I think of that?"  I think this is especially true in Gary's case.

Date: 2013/03/06 19:17:56, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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I notice that Gary doesn't bother to clarify what it was that he "had to give up" if not the NSF grant application process.

I would guess he means something like giving up his dream of teaching the children of the world how the tracks prove that molecules are intelligent, Darwin was hopeless because he didn't model his ideas using VB, and that scientists and creationists should all have group hug and accept that his notions are the best science evah.

Of course, he could simply tell you that's what he meant, but then he couldn't whine about how oppressed he is.

Date: 2013/03/06 20:53:22, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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I notice that Gary doesn't bother to clarify what it was that he "had to give up" if not the NSF grant application process.

I would guess he means something like giving up his dream of teaching the children of the world how the tracks prove that molecules are intelligent, Darwin was hopeless because he didn't model his ideas using VB, and that scientists and creationists should all have group hug and accept that his notions are the best science evah.

Of course, he could simply tell you that's what he meant, but then he couldn't whine about how oppressed he is.

That is another excellent example of academic snobbery.

This is another example of Gary whining about being oppressed instead of engaging in an adult conversation.

Date: 2013/03/07 16:31:25, Link
Author: Texas Teach
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Gary said:

"When the system is working right, students show up to load their vehicles with study materials and I get an excellent cheeseburger meal after that, on them, while we further discuss original science work we need to work on."

It sounds like you're giving those fossils away. If so, why? From your description of the amount of trackways on your property, you could make a lot of money from them and still benefit science. Many museums or schools will buy fossils if they're scientifically valuable or will at least help draw paying visitors. Private collectors will buy them too and will probably eventually donate them to a museum or school.

The students only needed a mat of macroinvertebrate traces for their behavior related studies. It was under the layer now at the Springfield Science Museum which I received $500 for, even though it's worth ten times that to a private collector. Every now and then we make a couple hundred, but sure don't get rich this way. I'm also in a residential area so do not run a tourist business. There is already Nash Dinosaur Track Quarry does OK in the Portland Formation graystone where there are many wading prints. I'm in the rarer East Berlin Formation redstone/brownstone that's harder to chisel through but shows what was happening on land, and at my site was right at the shoreline.

It would be a big help to find a home for the 20x40 foot area, that has scientific value when kept whole. Consensus of the paleo experts is that we are seeing small dinosaurs following the edge of a shoreline, with a good sized eubronte walking straight in 90 degrees from the others. Be a shame to have to bust it up into trinkets. But where something so large can be displayed is a problem. Greenfield Community College was interested but funding didn't come through for them. I'm now not sure what to do. What would you do?

Build a fence around it, hire Steve P. to do promotions, charge a fee at the gate.

Charge a higher fee to get out without having to listen to his "theory".

Date: 2013/03/09 07:31:24, Link
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Surely, Giggles, the answer is to form an organisation - something on the lines of The Institute For Semantic Clarity Here In Science - and grants would just  flood in.

Game the system, Giggles, game the system.

You don't seem to get the picture. Due to the way grants are only given to corporations and academic institutions I qualify for absolutely nothing, zero, not a single grant anywhere in all of science.

The system actually is unfairly rigged, to make sure I get no help