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Date: 2008/07/16 19:16:09, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Longtime lurker, first time caller.  I humbly submit . . .  Can we change this thread name to "Crackers Don't Matter"?

(I love that episode, and it's so apropos)

Date: 2008/07/30 14:30:13, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Well, between the likes of Curtis LeMay (in the early cold war days-- Mr. "Let's nuke 'em before they nuke us"-- not to mention MacArthur wanting to use tactical nukes on the Chinese during the Korean kerfuffle) and on up to Ronnie Reagan's cowboy schtick, it wasn't like the US was sending nothing but warm and fuzzies in the direction of the Iron Curtain.  

It was a two-way street of course-- whilst I was being indoctrinated in the good ole Southern Baptist tradition as a youngster,  I remember many sermons (and the occasional sensationalist Christian propaganda audio-visual aid) detailing how Russia and China were clearly the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel, and that they weren't just opposed to us on political/ideological grounds, but they were serving the debbil-- and thus, expected to wipe us out at any time.

It was all very plausible given the time and circumstances, but once I started to think about it, and realize the horrendous cost to both sides, I was able to figure out that it wasn't likely to happen (unless someone really screwed up, and accidentally launched missiles, like that time when NORAD accidentally left some training vid on the screens and for a few minutes everyone thought it was the real deal).

Date: 2008/08/11 15:44:43, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Yeah, the thing that set me down the path away from faith was a nagging ontological question, which occurred to me at a fairly early age.  "What happens/happened to all the souls who lived before Jesus or who never got the Divine Memo even after Jesus had come and gone?"*

Then came studying history (and the occasional epiphany fueled by random things like XTC's brilliant "Dear God"), then some heavy rationalization and modifying of my faith.  I remained convinced that it just had to be true on some level.  Maybe the true message just got distorted by time, or whatever.   But then, how does an omniscient and omnipotent entity let that happen, etc?

I've only somewhat recently been looking into and reading about science out of sheer curiosity, and as a non-scientist type, I can say nothing except that it's some overwhelming (and awe-inspiring) stuff.  As I grow older, one thing seems to be a constant-- discovering and re-discovering just how much I don't know.

*Unsurprisingly, I never got anything resembling a straight answer.

Date: 2008/08/26 16:04:55, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
If i'm not horribly mistaken-- and there's something like a 99.9% certainty I am-- in theoretical physics, isn't information in a very broad sense defined as everything in the universe (i.e., all matter/energy)?  The only difference, then, between one particle and another is how it is organized, either as the bits and pieces that make up an atom, and/or some particle/wave in the EM spectrum or a manifestation of the weak/strong force/gravity (at least in some hypotheses).  And that a corollary of this is effectively that no information is ever lost (except, maybe, in a black hole, although IIRC, the jury's still out on that one).  

But even if I were somehow right, it wouldn't mean squat to the IDists with regard to biology.  It's doubtful that any real chemist or physicist would say some intelligence was required to have this information organized in such a way or complexity in some special way to produce a living organism-- or at least not self-replicating molecules that could provide the basis for what a biologist would call life.

Date: 2008/08/26 16:14:30, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
A friend e-mailed me that article, and while it is infuriating, I would buy David Campbell several rounds of his drink of choice on principle alone.  And the last line of the article actually gave me cause for hope.

Well worth a read, to those who haven't.

Date: 2008/08/27 05:31:53, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Anyway, Afarensis, the Duchess of Cornwall IS a handsome woman. For certain values of the words "handsome" and "woman"

The duchess of Rutland seems nice.  Friendly dogs, too.

Date: 2008/08/27 12:55:10, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
I remember my 10th grade bio teacher practically spitting the word evolution out any time he had to say it.  And also him saying that not everyone believes in it-- with a definite bit of seeming disdain for those who did-- and watch this here film to get an idea.

The film was some creo bullshit, of course.  Funny, it was short on actual science.  Shocking, I  know.  Even in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (home of the famous Rhema Bible school-- barf) in 1986-- when I was still a Christian, at least by default-- I noticed the creo-stuff was seriously lacking in anything resembling a rigorous approach to the subject matter.  

With the actual biology we were taught, there were always difficult processes to explain/comprehend, and y'know, actual data and stuff.  With the film, it was just warm and fuzzy BS-- "Life is speshul and stuff, and the creator has a plan, etc., etc."

Date: 2008/08/28 01:37:40, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Well, I was a history major in college, so I would have loved to do that project, or any project really, on Rome.  

But knowing what I know now, I'd love to have done my Senior English paper (HS) on why ID is not science.  Soooo many resources, what with the interwebs and all.  We didn't have that back in those days, and instead I chose something horrifically stupid and embarrassing piece of fluff to do my paper on.  I've got a cousin who's getting ready to graduate from my tiny high school Alma Mater up here in semi-God crazy Eastern KY, and I'd love to try and persuade him to do his Sr. English paper on that.  

PS For a look at what life and school, etc. is like in my neck of the woods-- or one county over, anyway (I'm from Johnson county, the two kids on the show are from Floyd)-- check out the three part series from Frontline called "Country Boys."  I live in Lexington, now, but come back here often.

Date: 2008/09/18 23:27:03, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
I'm not a scientist, but I'll try and answer this . . .

Okay, what else.  How does finding this jawbone benefit us other than in an historical sense[?]

We can add this to what we know about prior discoveries of other ancestors and relatives of homo sapiens, and thus create a clearer picture of our "family tree".  Which in turn can give us more information about how changes have evolved over time, and give us data that can in turn be useful for determining how we as a species might continue to evolve.

Date: 2008/12/03 02:25:58, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
From way back, Sledgehammer et al:


28 November 2008
Children are born with a belief in God
Andrew Sibley

Researchers from Oxford’s Centre for Anthropology and Mind have found evidence that children are predisposed to believe in God or a supreme being.

I once had a bit of a cordial ferfuffle with a theist (on a colege football board, of all things-- BOOMER SOONER f**k Texass' whiny asses, btw) who, by way of proving his case of the universality and comprehensibility of teh gawd of teh universe, proffered just this sort of "logic."  It was something to the effect of " . . . children just naturally are predisposed to believe in and accept the teachings of Jesus, etc.[because, they're like, so true, and stuff]"  I substituted Santa Claus or the tooth fairy for every instance of Jesus/God, and none of his statement lost a smidgen of insight-- such as there was.  Then things got a little creepily into the realm of eugenics, almost a sort of biological Calvinism, and I quickly changed the subject.   Or tried to, anyway.

I mean, it's not like they start with grad students at madrassahs . . . get 'em young, and igner'nt as they say in these parts, and you've got a much better chance of keeping in the fold, and thus fleecing them if they manage to make some decent bank later on as adults.  Or if they don't make any decent bank.

Date: 2008/12/03 18:35:26, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass

Why would your friend go into biological Calvinism (whatever that is) or any sort of Calvinism when starting from the most anti-Calvinistic position possible? (Calvin would not have agreed, to say the least, that children are predisposed to believe in God, or are innocent and pure, etc. He believed in infant baptism--you do know what the water signifies?) Or were you the biological Calvinist?

To clarify my point-- I was under the impression that Calvinism entailed predestination, that the fate of any given soul is sealed from birth or even prior to it.  If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.  By "biological Calvinism," I was using shorthand for my interlocutor's conjecture about a predisposition for faith/belief that might actually be genetically encoded (by god, natch, thus creating a sort of predestination by divine fiat).  

Shrug.  The whole Calvinism thing seems a mystery to me.  I guess you still have to believe all the doctrine, etc., but you could still wind up getting screwed over (from what I understand).  I can see how it solves certain theological dilemmas that other denominations wrestle with, but it also seems to do so by making god an even bigger dick in some situations.

Date: 2009/01/08 07:21:55, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Sounds like he had to marshal all of his arts to write that tripe.

(what's the expression?  Er, I'll get my coat)

PS  in re: Fuller and Warwick:  I've actually been to Warwick castle.  Bit of a letdown, what with all the wax figures and such.  I reckon Fuller goes to the dungeon bits to hammer out some of his best "ideas."

PPS  As far as the isles go, I'll take Torquay or maybe Llangollen if i were on an extended stay.

Date: 2009/01/31 19:24:39, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
I'd like an impartial opinion about something my sister sent me via e-mail.  She claims it's "just a joke."  I found it incredibly offensive and racist.  So I submit this to the judgment of a few strangers:

Can you answer this question????

I'M CONFUSED..................................

How can 2 million blacks crowd into Washington DC in sub freezing

temperatures and most streets closed all in 1 day .....

.... when 200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with
hundreds of school buses and four days notice?

Date: 2009/01/31 20:46:05, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Thanks for the responses.  Much of that was what I sent in response to her, with a fair amount of invective.  Good to know I'm not crazy, at any rate.  

However, I don't think my sister and I will be speaking for a while.  This is far from the only racially offensive e-mail she's sent me.  She's one of those folks who can spout all sorts of horribly offensive stuff-- but by her lights, that colossal amount of ignorance and insensitivity doesn't make them a *racist*.


Is wingnut math that different?

Apparently so, as long as it supports whatever nonsense they're advocating.

Date: 2009/02/16 04:55:28, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
[QUOTE]but they certainly had a lot in common.

They both liked young girls?

Date: 2009/02/22 17:49:56, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
jesus they finally found something more boring than mornington crescent.

Well, they could be talking about cricket.

(BTW, please let no one take that as a suggestion)

Date: 2009/03/10 07:52:30, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
what, no Neko Case fans here gushing about Middle Cyclone?

Just google for the album cover if you're reticent at all.  

Neko talks about Middle Cyclone

Date: 2009/03/24 21:44:30, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
From a lurker . . .

Now about this Flood thingy.  I thought you were going to talk about that, Denial?  

Seriously, I can't speak for all lurkers, but this one is really waiting for a discussion of Noah and his Amazing Ark.  

Just think of how much righteous wood you'll be getting when you lay down that evidence filled smack-down on all these godless types (and the theists here, too, who clearly don't undertand the Bible as you do)!

Date: 2009/03/24 22:15:42, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
From a bit back, courtesy of Erasmus:

by the way this means that Ayn Rand's books are chock full of CSI!!!!  also gulag archipelago and war and peace.

So what would be the FSCI or CSI (or FDIC, or FSLIC, or Bayern Leverkusen FC or whatever) of Finnegan's Wake?  And how long will it take Joe to bake his CSI: Seattle (This fall on CBS starring Dr. Dr. Dembski, Casey Luskin and Dense O'Leary!) cake?*

*Feeling a bit loopy on the lovely cough syrup given for a touch of bronchitis.  FSM  bless prescribed narcotics!

Date: 2009/04/03 21:42:47, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
When we look at a flagellum, we see a God-designed motor.

And when "we" look at yersinia pestis, do we see a god-designed "syringe", used for pumping toxins into other cells?  Which just happens to be composed of many of the same proteins that god used to make that  god-designed motor?

Date: 2009/04/25 21:34:51, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Quote (khan @ April 24 2009,17:33)
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 24 2009,17:13)
When Barry started talking about C.S. Lewis and Tao, I wondered WTF?  Lewis is about as far as any Tao I've ever heard of as JoeG and clear thinking.  A little Googling cleared things up:


In other words, nothing to get excited about, just more word salad from Lewis.  Worst. Philosopher. Ever.

What little I have read of Lewis makes me agree with you.  
I do rather like Tao.[/quote]

Late tot he party, but . . .

The Discarded Image didn't totally suck, although he seemed a bit over-sentimental (IMO) about the old  medieval cosmological model (now discarded, hence the title-- although some YECs apparently still haven't gotten the memo).  Lewis seems to have been a talented classicist, and I will cop to liking The Chronicles of Narnia as a kid.

Date: 2009/05/23 17:58:36, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Not only that a lot of prophesies that were full filled were taken out of context.

Or the stuff written in the NT was done so not because Jebus actually fulfilled the prophecies, but because in order to establish his messianic cred, his PR firm (the various evangelists) made sure that what was written down reembled the OT stuff, regardless of whether it actually happened.  The author of Matthew is especially keen to point out how JC fulfilled this or that prophecy ("And lo, Jesus did sneeze, as was prophesied . . ." "And lo, Jesus did relieve himself on the shores of the Galilee, thus fulfilling the words of the prophets . . ." and so forth).

But it's unclear about the prophecy fulfillment thing-- according to Jewish tradition, the messiah must be born in Bethlehem, and most Christians generally accept that Jesus was (along with who knows how many other people).  The trouble is that Luke and Matthew can't agree on how he came to be born there.  One says Joseph and Mary were just there (even thopugh they went to Nazareth later, for who knows what reason), while the other (Luke, IIRC) concocts some elaborate and absurd (to say nothing of unconfirmed) story about census requiring Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem from their home in Nazareth.  

So it comes down to just how credulous you are about that stuff.  The only thing that passes the criterion of dissimilarity test in the NT is the fact that JC was crucified.  For the messiah to die such an ignominious death is not the only thing consistent with Jewish prophecy regarding the messiah.  Everything else can be embellished later to match up with the utterances of Isaiah, Zechariah, etc.

Date: 2009/05/23 18:02:39, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
For the messiah to die such an ignominious death is not the only thing consistent with Jewish prophecy regarding the messiah.

OOps.  That should read that JC's crucifixion is the only thing that's not consistent with OT prophecy.

Date: 2009/05/29 17:21:24, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Based on a reply in that same thread, there's no way Scot.David is Teh Infamous dt.  Unless someone perfected brain/personality transplants and/or dt was the most brilliant double agent ever.

Date: 2009/06/03 22:09:58, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Reign in Blood seconded, just slap on "Altar of Sacrifice."  

But maybe something more subtle like Tea for the Tillerman, since Cat has done become Yusuf, and a muslim 'n stuff.

Date: 2009/07/04 20:48:10, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Does anyone know what Gil is talking about?  Where in the Bible does it say "If thou art a tarde, abuse shall be thy lot in life?"

P1 God forewarned nice, objectively righteous ID supporters of persecution by evo-mat atheistic (ad nauseam) Darwinist-types.

P2 God/Jesus/Teh Designer created EVERYTHING, every atom, every jot and tittle, etc., including the very existence and attitudes of evo-mat atheist persecutors of the nice, objectively righteous ID supporters.*

Therefore, God/Jesus/Teh Designer is a supreme dick.  Like, the cosmically super-sized version of all penises (peni?).

Why do they never think about the implications of their "logic"?

*If you prefer to sidestep the idea of God creating evil by invoking some sort of Satan or what have you, you still have to explain why God would create such a being in the first place, or explain why he allows Satan/evil to continue to exist.  Or something resembling theodicy or whatever.

Date: 2009/07/04 20:54:33, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
But once an African American gets into rap or Muslims or Christians, it just a short hop to getting into Darwin.

*Checks Wu Tang lyrics for references to Darwin/evolution atheism*

Hmm, that explains so much.

No, wait . . .

In all seriousness, could Densey's remark have been any more condescending, offensive or patronizing?  By dismissing any African American (do they call them African Canadians in the GWN?) who listens to hip-hop as being somehow uninformed and incapable of seeing the "truth" of ID, she manages to pack more racist-ass arrogance in one off-hand statement than she fantasizes about Darwin possessing in his entire body of work.

Jesus motherfucking haploid zombie Christ.

Date: 2009/08/09 20:35:21, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
I'm going with this as the culprit:

lots of farting.

Or maybe the tone.  But that seems to be called for given the obtuse nature of Bowman's posts.

Date: 2009/08/13 17:32:19, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Several name actors are attached.

I'll bet a bottle of single malt scotch that "name actors"= Kirk "Banana Boy" Cameron.

Date: 2009/09/24 23:37:57, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Changing the subject, as something carlsonjok said over in the UD III: Tard Harder thread reminded me of one of the things that have always bugged me:

Except, of course, the crew over at UD would probably agree.  Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Which is Matthew 10:30 and/or Luke 12:7.

And yet in Genesis 3:9:

But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

Okay, six thousand years or so (give or take a few orders of magnitude) there are only two people on the whole planet , and YHWH can't find them.  Now, he can count every single hair on all the billions of heads that have ever lived?


(Sorry for the interruption.  Carry on.)

Date: 2009/10/16 17:29:16, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
And by the grace of God, there probably are some!

Yes-- perhaps.  They're known as Blue Dogs in the House, and just conservative Democrats in the Senate-- off the top of my head:  Ben Nelson (D-NE), Max Baucus (D-MT), Mark Pryor (D-AR, and member of "The Family"-- fun facts await on that Google search), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), etc.  And, of course, Joe Leiberman-- not a Blue Dog, per se, but on some issues (say, any given war)he's further to the right than any of the others.

Although it's hard to imagine Ahmanson supporting with conviction anyone whose politics are anywhere to the left of, say, (rape apologist extraordinaire and all-around doucherocket) Jeff Sessions (R-AL) or Jim DeMint (R-SC).

Date: 2009/12/11 23:08:19, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
How dare you defame David Brent in such a way!  

I like this comparison better:

Kneel before Bob!  

Err . . .

Date: 2010/06/13 19:50:57, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Under the circs, a one-all draw is a result even if the keeper gifted the Yanks a goal.

I felt the wind came out of the sails a bit when Milner got booked and Capello inserted Shaun Wright-Phillips. I have no ill will toward SWP (except that he's a shadow of the threat Lennon poses on the other side), but that forced Gerrard back into the holding midfield spot instead of attacking (which would have given that American defense fits, as I had hoped the goal in the fourth minute was merely a preview).  Lampard had one flash of quality, but was otherwise dismal (that free kick was wretched), and I think he'd fare better with Stevie moving up anyway.  Here's hoping Barry is fit soon.

The back line is a bit spotty.   Johnson did well pushing up the wing, Terry was solid, but though I'm biased as a 'Pool supporter*-- Carragher just doesn't have the pace to keep up with some of the strikers England will face beyond the group stage.  

Rooney wasn't awful, but apart from him, they don't look terribly frightening in the attacking third.  

The goalkeeping was obviously dreadful.  Fuck Everton-- that goes without saying-- but Howard is miles better than anything England could put in goal.  It's a miracle West Ham didn't drop if that's any indication of Green's true quality.

Nonetheless, should be an easy six from Slovenia and Algeria, and it'll depend on who they draw in the next round.  If they play like they did on Saturday, they won't beat anyone else.

*Yes, I'm an American, but fuck US Soccer.  YNWA.

Date: 2010/10/01 00:55:17, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
If it's Faux, I wouldn't put it past them to simply deliberately misquote him.  IOKIYAR (or a Creationist).

Date: 2010/10/22 18:40:02, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Here's the whole rub (for me) with the interpretation of what a "day" is supposed to mean:

God is supposed to be omniscient, right?  At the very least smarter than all the mooks who would be reading the words he inspired.  So there's no excuse for god to create so much confusion.  He should have known what he meant, and then made sure that made it into the text, using his super awesome omnipotence.  

If anything is so open for interpretation, it's safe to say that the god WAD believes in isn't all that impressive.  

Basically, what khan said.  Something that's supposed to be inerrant shouldn't require reflection and study.  Just imagine if god had a job writing instruction manuals-- people all over the world would probably wind up trying to play DVDs with a toaster and putting pancake syrup in their lawn mower gas tanks.

Date: 2010/12/04 20:25:40, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Let me remove Emperor Ilion's clothes for a second:

Ilion:Well, you know, if "African-Americans" are “born that way,” and thus may not be faulted or criticized for engaging in "being African-American,” than[sic] simple logic, to say nothing of basic fairness — and we all know how “liberals” love “fairness” — would seen[sic] to dictate that we must likewise admit to the in-born nature of “racism,” and so, no “racist” may be faulted or criticized for it.

Gander, meet goose.

Impeccable logic!

Date: 2011/04/13 21:22:29, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
In any event, well done.  And accurate, to boot.

Date: 2011/10/21 22:09:15, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Oh yeah...killing people with swords was always quick.

Indeed.  Two things-- One, I don't think folks back then had figured out how to even make crude steel yet.  And even if they had, we're definitely not talking about the  super-strong, super-sharp steel that goes into making, e.g., a quality samurai sword.  So we'd be talking probably bronze, which would undoubtedly be nice and dull after just a few uses, even at the pointy end.

Two, they were committing genocide.  Or from their perspective , cleansing the world of an inherently sinful group of miscreants [eyes rolling furiously and contemptuously].  To the victims, of course, it's a distinction without a difference.  In any event, the perpetrators (in their righteous fury/callous indifference-- again, depending on the perspective) would likely not have cared whether the killings were more or less humane.  I doubt much thought would have been given to how much it might have hurt, or how long it would have taken the victims to die.

Date: 2011/10/23 18:43:42, Link
Author: SoonerintheBluegrass
Quote (forastero @ Oct. 23 2011,17:45)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 23 2011,17:37)
This seems an appropriate link RE: Tardbucket.

Btw, only the eugenics or supremacist minded would constantly and publicly project the word tard

Tard, as refers to you and your ilk, is actually an acronym:


Is it a bit crude?  Yes.  Is it intended as a perjorative?  Yes.  Is it intended to associate you with the (involuntarily) mentally handicapped, or to insult the mentally handicapped?  No.  

So please do climb down off your cross.