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Date: 2006/08/16 09:01:22, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 16 2006,13:04) I'll probably regret asking, but may I have the link for it? Huperborea

Date: 2006/08/16 10:34:30, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

DaveScot is an idiot but David Heddle is not.

Date: 2006/08/16 10:46:49, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 16 2006,14:46) I saw no references to Arabization there -- am I missing something? No Arden. I have not addressed the concept of Arabization on my blog. I posted my responses to the PT thread.

Date: 2006/08/16 13:27:41, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (deadman_932 @ July 19 2006,00:25) I weep for the Ann Coulters and Kent Hovinds of the world that no longer have a champion for their cause. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. But surely, Dave the computer expert and autodidactic 180-IQ Scientific American Marine Agnostic that believes god created all animals equally...will stand up to the occasion like the  mushrooms he raises so lovingly. Don't forget that DaveScot is the lover of many men's wives, who beg him to impregnate them.

Date: 2006/08/16 14:14:27, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 16 2006,18:29) Hey O'Brien, Paley is a geocentrist. Do you agree with him? You must be s***ting me.

Date: 2006/08/16 14:22:10, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 16 2006,18:38) Hey Robbie, isn't that a sinful thought . . . . ? For whom? I definitely don't get off on the thought of DaveScot spreading his seed. In fact, I find the prospect f'ing terrifying.

Date: 2006/08/16 16:18:01, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote My goodness,Robbie, you certainly do seem to have an obsession with, uh, "precious bodily fluids". You must be projecting. Quote Anything you want to, uh, tell us . . . . . . ? No.

Date: 2006/08/16 19:12:05, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 19 2006,13:03) More importantly, in the area of psychology we have reason to suppose that if she didn't look like a chain-smoking dyke, while apparently having a fundy background, she might be more open to scientific ideas.  She's reacting against the more knowing/better looking/cooler than Dembski (yes, we exist) types. What does psychology tell us about an unjustifiably arrogant dick who likes to hit below the belt like you?

Date: 2006/08/21 13:01:55, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 21 2006,12:26) (BTW, there's a pretty good Davison/Springer Tardfight right here) LOL! That should have followed the Shatner Roast on Comedy Central.

Date: 2006/08/21 13:05:48, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

My run in with DaveScot. (Fortunately, he didn't stick around.)

Date: 2006/08/21 15:44:36, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 21 2006,18:13) fair warning: Obrien is the master of the inept one-liner. watching him argue with Davetard should be amusing if you keep that in mind. I find neither one of them amusing myself, but that's just me. I was amused to see that not only was my imposter disemvoweled by PZ but so were you for replying to him. Please continue to do so; I prefer your comments that way.

Date: 2006/08/22 19:46:58, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 22 2006,23:05) Or maybe he’s just angry because Morphodyke O’Leary gets more p*ssy than he does. Comments like these make me think the admin should institute a "no posting until your balls drop" rule.

Date: 2006/08/22 20:40:40, Link 75.26.178.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (mcc @ Aug. 23 2006,01:37) I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that DaveScot would never agree to work for those terrorist french traitors at the U.N.. DaveScot only eats freedom fries and he freedom kisses the many women who want him to knock them up. (He then skips out in the morning before they wake up and have a chance to make him some freedom toast.)

Date: 2006/08/23 08:30:47, Link 75.26.162.163

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 23 2006,00:49) http://jacquelinepassey.blogs.com/blog/2006/08/dating_tip_qual.html The words "Bitch, please" sprang to mind when reading her self-aggrandizing post.

Date: 2006/08/25 09:09:54, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 11 2006,15:47) I wonder if he's a Christian? If so, that explains it. Surely Christians have no place teaching science classes. Teaching math at Bible colleges in the South, sure, but not science. I'm going to write my liberal Congresswoman this very afternoon. ####, Arden/George, this comment far exceeds the stupidity benchmark I previously calculated for you!

Date: 2006/08/25 09:32:58, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (don_quixote @ Aug. 25 2006,14:21) Would you describe yourself as a Fundamentalist Christian, O'Brain? No.

Date: 2006/08/25 15:41:38, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 25 2006,20:38) In fact, didn't PZ, of all the posters on pharyngula, only identify RO and Jason by name as being trolls? food for thought... Jason is an upstart; I was causing Peezee dyspepsia long before he came along.

Date: 2006/08/25 16:06:31, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 25 2006,20:44) but of course, being proud of being a troll is certainly something to consider in your case. As my friend Alan once wrote about me (before we became friends ): He's not your garden variety troll; seems more like a legendary, chromatic dragon riding troll from the ethereal plane AC:-1, HP: 150, 100% resistant to magic. Bearing a sky-blue banner with a white integral sign between the limits of heaven and ####. Gauntlets of digging and crushing. Anyway, my banishment from Peezee's blog is a good thing in that fall term will be starting soon and I should not be wasting my time wading through the offal there.

Date: 2006/08/27 21:29:33, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 27 2006,18:15) My apologies if it has already been mentioned, but John Davison abandoned his old blog, and started a new one, The End Of Evolution, at http://theendofevolution.blogspot.com/2006/08/end-of-evolution.html (Along the lines of the old joke, apparently the ashtrays were full again.) Classic!

Date: 2006/09/03 10:24:03, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote Don’t you know that altruism is EXACLY what evolution would predict? Pull the other leg.

Date: 2006/09/03 10:30:16, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Sep. 01 2006,12:52) Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 31 2006,02:39) after the Enron fiasco, there was a specific rich republican who funded a drive to recall Gray Davis That rich republican was Howard Ahmanson. The same guy who funds DI's Center for (the Renewal of) Science and Culture and sits on its board of directors. According to whom? As far as I know, Darrell Issa was the "rich republican." (Sorry to rain on your conspiracy theory parade, Lenny.)

Date: 2006/09/03 10:38:03, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

The problem with Arnold is that he is not conservative enough. I voted for Tom McClintock in the recall and would do so again.

Date: 2006/09/03 13:02:37, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

[quote=Arden Chatfield,Sep. 03 2006,16:34][/quote] Quote Fortunately no one like McClintock will ever get elected to the California governorship. There is nothing fortunate about it. Quote California ain't Texas and it ain't the sixties anymore. Apparently, you have forgotten that Deukmejian was governor in the eighties, right after Governor Moonbeam. (Pete Wilson was also a Republican governor, of course.) Quote You may remember McClintock did quite poorly in the recall. Californians are willing to vote for an economic conservative, but the religious right routine will not fly here any more than it would in New England, New York, or Illinois. Those states do not have a large influx of Mexicans, who tend toward social conservatism. If the Republicans are ever able to successfully court them then California liberals will be SOL.

Date: 2006/09/03 13:18:39, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (BWE @ Sep. 03 2006,15:56) Robert Obrien, What do you think of global warming, peak oil, deforestation, and land salinanization in terms of large problems that we should be dealing with politically? -I only know a few repubs of the McClintock variety. Global warming--If the null hypothesis is that there is no global warming and the alternate hypothesis is that there is global warming, I think the cost of making a type II error is such that we ought to curb our "greenhouse gas" emissions even if some climatologists continue to dispute there is sufficient evidence to conclude global warming has occurred and continues to occur. Peak oil--eh? Deforestation--deforestation certainly concerns me and I think, on the whole, the government's management of our forests has been inept. I disliked Gail Norton as Secretary of the Interior and I am glad to see her go. Land salinization--I'm afraid I don't know about this issue. I am alarmed by the loss of topsoil, however. One thing you did not mention is power in CA. I would like to see a move toward decentralized micropower alternatives in the future.

Date: 2006/09/03 13:52:28, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

What makes you think Tom McClintock is a "religious conservative," especially in the mold of Southern politicians? When he was in the recall race I saw him talking about issues like taxes and CA infrastructure, not posting the 10 Commandments. McClintock is a social conservative but he ain't a politician with only one string on his banjo.

Date: 2006/09/03 13:57:19, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Tom McClintock's "OnTheIssues" profile.

Date: 2006/09/04 20:02:22, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote You have forgotten that Deukmejian and Wilson weren't religious conservatives. Planned Parenthood has criticized  George Deukmejian for being "anti-choice." That combined with the fact that he is a Christian should make him a "religious conservative," according to your "reasoning."   Quote Yeah, and if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle. And if you had nuts?   Quote Won't happen, the California GOP is much much more comfortable demonizing Mexicans for cheap political points. That's what Wilson did, and it cost the GOP the California Hispanic vote ever since. The tipping point in California politics came when Hispanics finally started voting in big numbers in the late 80's. With the exception of Schwarzenegger, California Hispanics have voted Democratic ever since, including Congressional races, Senate races and the presidential races. Yeah, history tells us that a race will never embrace a party they believe slighted them in the past.   Quote And the political future of California does not lie in the hands of conservative White Protestants. What else do the cards reveal, Miss Cleo?

Date: 2006/09/04 20:15:42, Link 75.26.166.218

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote No legal rights for same-sex couples Q: Do you support the bill to give same-sex couples most of the same legal benefits as married couples? McCLINTOCK: I would veto it. I do not care what people do in the privacy of their own homes. But I draw the line when they ask the government to approve or disapprove it of it. Source: Recall debate in Walnut Creek Sep 3, 2003 Absolutely!     Quote Why the Pledge Matters By Tom McClintock ...Words matter. Ideas matter. And symbols matter. The public furor fomented by the Ninth Circuit Court over the Pledge of Allegiance must not be devalued as a mere defense of harmless deistic references and quaint old customs. The principle at stake is central to the very foundation of the American nation and the very survival of its freedoms. Right!     Quote ...he's the former director of economic and regulatory affairs for Ahmanson's Claremont Institute. Give Lenny his tin-foil hat back. It is not Ahmanson's Claremont Institute; it is just the Claremont Institute, where he serves on the board of directors.

Date: 2006/09/08 07:09:12, Link 204.95.23.64

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 08 2006,10:28) If all you knew about David Heddle was his "cosmological ID", you might assume he's a patient drooling in an institution somewhere. No.

Date: 2006/09/11 17:40:57, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 11 2006,10:18) Plantinga spent years trying to philosophically prove that 'god exists' was something that can be assumed a priori, and therefore didn't have to be proven. I agree with Plantinga on that point. In Mathematics we have axioms, which can only be shown to be reasonable, consistent, etc. but not proven.

Date: 2006/09/12 20:57:22, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 12 2006,19:33) 11) Worst defender of evolution. Peezee

Date: 2006/09/12 21:49:45, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 12 2006,20:12) This renders [David Heddle] basically useless as a scientist... Wrong again, Ardo.

Date: 2006/09/12 21:55:08, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (argystokes @ Sep. 12 2006,23:08) Here are the results from a pubmed search for "myers pz" Quote Dudkin EA, Myers PZ, Ramirez-Latorre JA, Gruberg ER. Related Articles, Links Abstract Calcium signals monitored from leopard frog optic tectum after the optic nerve has been selectively loaded with calcium sensitive dye. Neurosci Lett. 1998 Dec 18;258(2):124-6. PMID: 9875543 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 2: Stachel SE, Grunwald DJ, Myers PZ. Related Articles, Links Free Full Text Lithium perturbation and goosecoid expression identify a dorsal specification pathway in the pregastrula zebrafish. Development. 1993 Apr;117(4):1261-74. PMID: 8104775 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Myers PZ, Bastiani MJ. Related Articles, Links Abstract Growth cone dynamics during the migration of an identified commissural growth cone. J Neurosci. 1993 Jan;13(1):127-43. PMID: 8423468 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 4: Myers PZ, Bastiani MJ. Related Articles, Links Abstract Cell-cell interactions during the migration of an identified commissural growth cone in the embryonic grasshopper. J Neurosci. 1993 Jan;13(1):115-26. PMID: 8423467 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: Myers PZ, Bastiani MJ. Related Articles, Links Abstract NeuroVideo: a program for capturing and processing time-lapse video. Comput Methods Programs Biomed. 1991 Jan;34(1):27-33. PMID: 2036787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 6: Metcalfe WK, Myers PZ, Trevarrow B, Bass MB, Kimmel CB. Related Articles, Links Abstract Primary neurons that express the L2/HNK-1 carbohydrate during early development in the zebrafish. Development. 1990 Oct;110(2):491-504. PMID: 1723944 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 7: Myers PZ, Eisen JS, Westerfield M. Related Articles, Links Abstract Development and axonal outgrowth of identified motoneurons in the zebrafish. J Neurosci. 1986 Aug;6(8):2278-89. PMID: 3746410 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 8: Eisen JS, Myers PZ, Westerfield M. Related Articles, Links Abstract Pathway selection by growth cones of identified motoneurones in live zebra fish embryos. Nature. 1986 Mar 20-26;320(6059):269-71. PMID: 3960108 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 9: Myers PZ. Related Articles, Links Abstract Spinal motoneurons of the larval zebrafish. J Comp Neurol. 1985 Jun 22;236(4):555-61. PMID: 4056102 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 10: Green DM, Myers PZ, Reyna DL. Related Articles, Links Abstract CHROMPAC III: an improved package for microcomputer-assisted analysis of karyotypes. J Hered. 1984 Mar-Apr;75(2):143. PMID: 6546940 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] I suppose that makes him a productive graduate student and postdoc, but perhaps only one paper since becoming a full professor.  I don't think this is uncommon for a someone who is primary a teacher at a small liberal arts school, and he is responsible for 4 courses.  Developing an undergraduate curriculum is surely time consuming, and few researchers (at least in my department) do so.  That said, it seems to me he puts more effort into Pharyngula than his research program (completely unverified). I don't think Peezee is a full professor. In any event, don't post that PubMed search to Peezee's wikipedia article because it will be deleted.

Date: 2006/09/13 04:19:26, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 13 2006,09:14) Isn't there some award named after you, Robert? Yeah. I seem to recall a college drop out/failed comedian/usurer named an award after me back in 2004.

Date: 2006/09/13 14:37:02, Link 66.75.35.217

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Sep. 13 2006,13:51) why do i keep feeling like telling RO just to STFU? Cuz' you ran out of Prozac?

Date: 2006/09/19 18:29:05, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 19 2006,21:09) Let me make a few minor corrections. I'll just cross out the bits that are completely wrong     Quote "Design can be mathematically demonstrated" except that nobody has ever actually done it, although there are plenty of excuses as to why it hasn't happened "yet." The irony here is multifaceted. Dembski's mathematics, which is touted as putting ID on solid mathematical footing, actually does nothing of the sort. His work says some interesting things applicable to genetic algorithms, but genetic algorithms resemble actual evolution (the way it is supposed to work) in only a superficial way. However, in a move analogous to leaning into rather than away from a left hook, evolutionists often proclaim genetic algorithms as a sort of proof of evolution. This lunacy then plays into Dembski's hands by extending the shelf life of his arguments which should, by now, be dead. It's all kind of crazy, when you think about it. No, David Heddle was right about that, too.

Date: 2006/09/19 18:32:37, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 19 2006,22:57) And in his case.....a bigger one never existed. Heds up prof. have you considered it is a REQUIREMENT? Bwhawhawhahwhwhwhwwhahahahaha. That's just nonsense. Are you trying to make some sense?

Date: 2006/09/19 18:47:35, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 19 2006,22:13) Quote I wouldn't even go that far. And I can't even imagine what 'saving ID' would even look like. How can you 'save' something fundamentally fraudulent, with no substance? Teleology ain't "fundamentally fraudulent," Ardo. Quote I guess the bizarre thing is that half of Heddle's brain knows ID is a load of shit, but the other half has to stay loyal to it, and spends a lot of its energy suppressing the other half. Ardo, you should take your clairvoyance on the road with Dionne Warwick.

Date: 2006/09/19 18:51:21, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 19 2006,23:39) By 'too', do you mean Heddle's sentence "Dembski's mathematics, which is touted as putting ID on solid mathematical footing, actually does nothing of the sort." was correct? Nah, I was seconding his criticism of computer simulations being touted as evidence for speciation.

Date: 2006/09/19 19:38:48, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Sep. 20 2006,00:26) I especially found this response by Ed appropriate:   Quote RO   Quote Ed responded to my message with all the wit of a schoolyard taunter (I refer interested parties to his blog for the full exchange) complete with schoolyard back up. I'll take psychological projection for $1000, Alex. yup. I find Ed's frequent Jeopardy! allusions insipid and annoying. (It is no wonder that he failed as a comic; he gets his hands on an idiom and runs it into the ground.)

Date: 2006/09/19 19:45:06, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 19 2006,23:58) So what's the 'too' reference? Ah, I see what you are getting at. I agree with David Heddle that Bill Dembski's mathematical arguments have yet to deliver from what I have seen. (I guess my answer to your question should have been 'yes.' )

Date: 2006/09/19 20:20:03, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Addendum: Even a couple of years ago, when I was knocking heads for Bill, I thought it odd that he said (in an e-mail to me) that he left it up to Wolpert to fill in the details of his (i.e., Bill's) argument. Why would Wolpert do that? Anyway, I would like to try that on one of my exams; I will just give a sketch of a proof and then write the instructor a note saying, "I leave it to you to fill in the details."--Robert O'Brien

Date: 2006/09/20 06:31:15, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 20 2006,10:45) Hey Wobert Obrien are you single like Heddle .....? it might be time to change your motto Brevior saltare cum deformibus viris est vita If his blog picture is acurate, You and Him would would be the last word in those bon mots. I'm sure he appreciates help from intellectual giants such as yourself...or not...but anyway keep up the good work of confirming his premise....ID has brought ridicule on his little cult of REPROBATION. From the Devils Dictionary REPROBATION, n. In theology, the state of a luckless mortal prenatally damned. The doctrine of reprobation was taught by Calvin, whose joy in it was somewhat marred by the sad sincerity of his conviction that although some are foredoomed to perdition, others are predestined to salvation. Enjoy...... I rarely cast pearls to swine...it won't happen again..... in your case. Twit. Dude, lay off the chronic.

Date: 2006/09/20 06:53:46, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 20 2006,11:50) Well actually yes I am still a Kiwi. Just living in Oz, I had the operation and Aussies will niggle the buggery out of you if they detect the slightest Kiwi accent so I'm a Kiwi incognito. If I go home I get picked on for my Aussie accent and if I spend long enough there the bloody Aussies notice when I come back. To a Kiwi the Aussie pronunciation of "fish" sounds like 'feeesh' and to an Aussie the Kiwi "fish" is 'fush'. Like writen Ukrainian there are practically no vowels in spoken Kiwi. Oh and 'Crikey' is used on both sides of the Tasman Sea. From here on out I shall address you as Weta, when I bother to address you at all.

Date: 2006/09/21 07:49:50, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Dave: I liked your Watchmaker animation. (Peezee posted it to his vapid blog.)

Date: 2006/09/21 09:03:09, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2006,13:02) Robert--  Glad you liked the "Watchmaker" ... feel free to join in any time on my thread here.  As you can see, I'm slightly outnumbered. Hi Dave. I can't help you with YEC, since I accept that the earth is billions of years old. I can only help you to the extent that I am a theist who thinks the biological sciences rest on an inferior epistemological foundation.

Date: 2006/09/21 09:23:49, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

I don't see my response to Dave on the other thread, so I am posting it here: Quote Hi Dave. I can't help you with YEC, since I accept that the earth is billions of years old. I can only help you to the extent that I am a theist who thinks the biological sciences rest on an inferior epistemological foundation.

Date: 2006/09/23 07:44:16, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 23 2006,10:01) Yes, Dave, please do take it away. It's starting to stink. If only Wynne could stand downwind from his own posts.

Date: 2006/09/23 09:45:48, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

I thought it might be nice to dress up as a crusader.

Date: 2006/09/24 07:36:48, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 24 2006,06:19) Love San Diego, especially the Gasslamp/Gasslight? area. Yeah, San Diego is great. I also recommend Santa Barbara and San Mateo County (where I'm from).

Date: 2006/09/24 07:41:13, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Sep. 24 2006,11:18) In the UK, churches are a good source for local history. I live right next to one. It is the oldest building in Windsor. I do not consider it a "waste". Here. Good for you; instead of spending an inordinate amount of time kvetching online about Christianity (in lieu of, say, doing research) it appears that you have developed a healthy attitude toward it.

Date: 2006/09/24 13:18:56, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (tiredofthesos @ Sep. 20 2006,17:54) My medium's powers have detected some discarnate spirit naming itself "Robert O'Brian" [sic] attempting to contact us from the aethers...     Who exactly is this O'Brainless jackass's hole?  It isn't just me that finds him a useless and unfunny bore, is it?  I mean, I notice that the posts under that name have as great an effect on the thread as a priest praying over bread and wine does at a Catholic mass. Apparently, this dude climbed back into his garderobe.

Date: 2006/09/25 10:11:42, Link 132.239.145.155

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Shirley Knott @ Sep. 25 2006,09:52) I will cheerfully argue that judeo-christian culture strictly defined has NOT contributed more to human knowlege than any other culture, but is surely in the running for having destroyed and impeded more knowlege than any other culture. Now, about that geocentric model... Shirley Knott First of all, let's drop this "Judeo-Christian" nonsense. Secondly, you may "cheerfully argue" that Christianity has destroyed or impeded more knowledge than any other culture but it would be an argument you would lose.

Date: 2006/09/25 12:48:13, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Sep. 25 2006,15:16) I understand what you're implying WRT Ms. Knotts, but we both know the Judeo belongs there. No, we do not. I think Judaism is superfluous.

Date: 2006/09/25 13:10:50, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:03) Judaism feels the same about you. What Judaism "feels" does not concern me. It is a relic.

Date: 2006/09/25 13:26:51, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:22) What do you think ought to be done about the problem? What problem?

Date: 2006/09/25 13:40:51, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 25 2006,18:32) The problem of this relic religion lying around. I do not consider it a problem; Judaism is innocuous enough. (Although, Israel is a problem.)

Date: 2006/09/25 15:34:36, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (doering @ May 2 2006,13:23) There is nothing more "absolute" in human knowledge than technological proof, it is more certain than mathematical proof. Nonsense

Date: 2006/09/25 17:11:06, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 25 2006,21:54) You'll also note that there is a huge gap in your list, ranging from before the beginning of the current era until around the renaissance, a period during which arguably the Christian church was at its most ascendant. The Church essentially ran Europe from the fifth century until at least the fifteenth century, and yet we see a noticeable lack of important mathematicians during that period. Fibonacci, Nemorarius, Nicole Oresme, etc.

Date: 2006/09/26 05:00:51, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 26 2006,09:45) Oh by the way AFD what's the fastest growing religious group in the USA?  ....Yes AFD.....Atheism. You can take some of the credit for that AFD. Weta: According to whom? (Hint: non-religious != atheist)

Date: 2006/09/26 06:27:20, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 26 2006,11:12) Hang on, 6/10 in a region where >90% are Christian says 'christianity is an impediment'. Thanks, GOP. Non sequitur (The cap really does suit you.)

Date: 2006/09/26 06:50:21, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 26 2006,11:41) Then why aren't 9/10ths of the scientists GoP listed Christians, then? LOL. It might have something to do with the fact that Archimedes and Euclid lived before the advent of Christianity.

Date: 2006/09/26 06:56:17, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 26 2006,11:44) Oh, the perils of using latin phases you don't understand. Semper Tard! I understand the concept of non sequitur quite well, tardcap.

Date: 2006/09/26 07:18:27, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 26 2006,11:52) Fair enough, and the first time I've ever seen you actually explain something. But why *are* scientists disproportionately nonreligious? With regard to Christianity, perhaps some of them are put off by some of the same things I am, i.e., Old Testament, Trinity, transubstantiation, Mariolatry, chiliasm, and forced clerical celibacy/abstinence. In any event, modern scientists cannot, in general, hold a candle to the (more) religious scientists of yore, so it don't make no never mind to me why modern scientists tend to be non-religious. (It should be noted, however, that mathematicians are more religious, on the whole, than other scientists.)

Date: 2006/09/26 07:29:16, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 26 2006,12:11) Robert, roberto, robertas, robertat "Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione" Weta: Ne sutor ultra crepidam

Date: 2006/09/26 07:35:12, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 26 2006,12:26) That explanation doesn't work. If that was the explanation, we'd see an en masse conversion of scientists away from Catholicism to Protestantism, instead of scientists actually leaving Christianity and religion in general. Besides, the Genesis story is no more emperically supportable than 'trinity, transubstantiation, Mariolatry, chiliasm, and forced clerical celibacy/abstinence.' Some of those doctrines apply equally as well to Protestantism. Anyway, my point was if Christianity were revised somewhat you might see more Christian scientists (but not Christian Scientists.   )

Date: 2006/09/26 08:05:38, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 26 2006,12:55) ....ah Robert......are you gay? Weta: No. Why, are you interested?

Date: 2006/09/30 08:11:56, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 27 2006,16:56) Dang, maybe we should invite him HERE? He's certainly brighter than GoP or ROB. If you exhumed your head from your nethers you might notice that David Heddle does not particularly care for PT. By the way, Chattie, I am still waiting for the adverse academic repercussions you warned me about a year ago to materialize.

Date: 2006/09/30 08:19:23, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

I posted this to UD in response to David Heddle's banning: The heavy-handed suppression of criticism here is disappointing, to say the least. I doubt it will ever make it out of the queue.

Date: 2006/09/30 17:52:53, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Sep. 30 2006,13:19) I posted this to UD in response to David Heddle's banning: The heavy-handed suppression of criticism here is disappointing, to say the least. I doubt it will ever make it out of the queue. I stand corrected.

Date: 2006/10/01 13:30:55, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Bhaskara

Date: 2006/10/01 13:35:32, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 25 2006,23:05) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Sep. 25 2006,22:11) Fibonacci, Nemorarius, Nicole Oresme, etc. …and how many of these made the top-ten list? So one is left to wonder why, when the church was at its most ascendent in Europe, its mathematicians seemed to be more-or-less second-tier. And this still begs the question of what is it about Christianity do you think makes it responsible for the quality of Western culture? There can only be ten in a top ten list and these did not make it into that guy's list. Fibonacci is most certainly among the greatest of mathematicians, though.

Date: 2006/10/01 17:24:25, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (dhogaza @ Oct. 01 2006,19:55) Don't let the excitement over OE lead you to neglect UD.   In  this thread JasontheGreek sez   Quote I’d bet that a lot of people here and others in ID, in general, would disagree that avida shows what you claim. Even if it did show this in a computer simulation, again- it’s not the real world. On top of that- I’d say a lot of honest IDers would disagree with you and do so honestly. It doesn’t make a person dishonest to discount avida as a fantasy. OK, Jason, you're not dishonest.  You're just dumb. The thread's fun.  Tom English, Karl Pfluger and others trash self-proclaimed CS experts DaveTard and Gil Dodgen thoroughly. I agree with Jason; avida appears to be much ado about nothing.

Date: 2006/10/08 14:40:29, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Oct. 08 2006,04:19) RO is just... irritating. And you were the one who invited me here.

Date: 2006/10/08 14:45:45, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (tiredofthesos @ Oct. 08 2006,16:55) Not being a scientist... That much is clear.

Date: 2006/10/08 16:05:23, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Oct. 08 2006,20:22) Quote i invited reasoned response from you on a specific thread, which, btw, you never gave, as usual. I disagree. Quote indeed the same can be said of yourself [sic], but at least sos is honest about his limitations. I am in the mathematical sciences.

Date: 2006/10/08 16:57:27, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ Oct. 08 2006,21:18) ...and the fact you do math doesn't make you a scientist, but of course you couldn't admit that, as I expected. Not all sciences are empirical.

Date: 2006/10/09 04:27:24, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (tiredofthesos @ Oct. 09 2006,05:00) Since we're at the wall, Robert O, whatever intelligence you may have is the sort that pond scum might produce.  You are a silly, pompous, and blitheringly dull fraud, whatever your tinkering-with-numbers skill may be (perhaps some sort of "Rainman" talent, eh?).  You are a really dull, shitty human being, by any sensible person's judgement.  Fuck you and the horse's ass your head has been surgically attached within.  You aren't worth the cow that died to make your stinking belt.     That is an anencephalic rejoinder if I have ever seen one.

Date: 2006/10/09 16:59:54, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (argystokes @ Oct. 09 2006,18:26) Shorter Glen D:  Don't be an a-hole, stupid! I think you should translate all of Glen D.'s posts (Like in those GEICO commercials; next time be sure to include the bit about "Mashed potatoes and cranberry sauce!")

Date: 2006/10/28 06:34:21, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (2ndclass @ Oct. 28 2006,10:23) This is unspeakably tragic:     Quote I flunked most of my highschool math and science classes, and lost interest in science altogether until ID became a popular topic. Thanx to you and other ID proponents, my interest in science is reinvigorated. Science is exciting now! There is new life in what was once a dead and meaningless science. And I lost interest in fine dining until I discovered Twinkies. Ugh.

Date: 2006/11/21 01:07:32, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote Was the Ford Pinto, with all its imperfections revealed in crash tests, not designed? ...

Date: 2006/12/13 17:20:12, Link 66.27.110.170

Author: Robert O'Brien

There is the Creation & Evolution forum at Christian Forums. (Although, some of what passes as discourse here would not be tolerated there.) Gary Hurd posts there and I post there on occasion.

Date: 2006/12/16 23:18:50, Link 204.95.23.64

Author: Robert O'Brien

David Heddle responds to the animation here.

Date: 2006/12/17 01:22:59, Link 204.95.23.64

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 17 2006,00:41) Nick's post shows Dembski's email to critics, which has to be seen to be believed. That e-mail is #### peculiar.

Date: 2006/12/21 00:35:35, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Dec. 20 2006,18:10) Um, Heddle, no one gives a flying fock about your opinions.  They are, after all, no better or more important than the opinions of the counter girl at the deli where I had lunch today.  (shrug) So go preach elsewhere, at someone who gives a #### about your opinions. I care about what David Heddle has to say, lunkhead. Who gave you the right to employ pluralis majestatis?

Date: 2006/12/21 00:40:02, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ Dec. 20 2006,17:04) The question still remains, unanswered and evaded myriad times by you Heddle, why are your religious opinions any more or less correct than mine, my best friend's, my mother in law's, my hot food delivery operative of choice's, or a person of indeterminate sex from the end of my road? Because you are English. Next question.

Date: 2006/12/21 15:28:07, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ Dec. 21 2006,07:30) Robert O'Brian [sic], Wow. Your WHOLE reasoning is that my religious opinions (and thus those of an entire nation of around 60+ million people) are invalid because I am English. Whoa. Dude. That's some STAGGERING arrogance there on your part. What are you? Five years old? "You're wrong because you're not American! Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah." Wow I really am glad I'm not a christian with advertisments [sic] for your faith like you and "I lie for jesus" Heddle [sic]. I hope those people on this board who ARE christians are thoroughly ashamed to have vermin like you pissing out of their tent. Louis Louis: I was being facetious. I realize not all English are like you or Dawkins, and, in fact, I like Stephen Elliott well enough and I certainly like Richard Swinburne. (Also, I have been told my great-great-grandmother, Emma Rigsby, was English.)

Date: 2006/12/22 00:21:49, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

I am from San Mateo County, California. I have lived in CA all of my life except for brief stays in a few other states which I did not much care for.

Date: 2006/12/24 14:44:33, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 24 2006,14:07) Fat jokes. Reminds me of ROB. Way to go, Dave. We hereby cede the moral high ground to you. I merely pointed out that the college drop out/failed comedian whose award you are wont to cite looks as if he could win an award for putting away jelly doughnuts.

Date: 2006/12/24 15:58:31, Link 75.26.191.21

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 24 2006,15:22) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Dec. 24 2006,14:44) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 24 2006,14:07) Fat jokes. Reminds me of ROB. Way to go, Dave. We hereby cede the moral high ground to you. I merely pointed out that the college drop out/failed comedian whose award you are wont to cite looks as if he could win an award for putting away jelly doughnuts. So Robert, did you actually make those posts under Dave Scot's name yourself? I noticed that the link for Dave Scot's name linked to a non-existent 'davescot.com', which isn't something I'd think Dave would do. No, I did not make those posts. I usually try to identify myself, but even if I were posting pseudonymously, it would not be as "DaveScot".

Date: 2007/02/26 15:00:17, Link 128.54.43.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

phonon: I love your Dembski-as-Newton avatar; it's a hoot!

Date: 2007/02/26 17:24:42, Link 128.54.43.61

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 26 2007,16:08) It's a little puzzling to me how bad they are at the PR. I mean, would you ever put Davetard in charge of your movement's website? Denyse O'Leary, who writes like one of the least promising 6th graders in the english class? Patrick, Gil, Salvador, any of those dimbulbs? I am pretty sure DaveScot was chosen for his fawning sycophancy rather than his perceived mental acuteness. Then again, Bill appears to be off the rails at UD much of the time these days; maybe he needs to eat a Snickers to cure his impaired judgment.

Date: 2007/04/04 12:01:44, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 04 2007,10:49) Writing in Latin doesn't make you sound any smarter, Robert. Writing in any language does not make you sound smart, Arden.

Date: 2007/04/04 12:24:37, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ April 04 2007,12:15) Ooooooooh! Handbag! Saucer of milk for one. Etc. Any substantive comment to make Robert? Anything? Anything at all? ... Louis I agree with FtK that the learning curve for biology is not nearly as steep as the physical or mathematical sciences.

Date: 2007/04/06 10:37:11, Link 128.54.53.158

Author: Robert O'Brien

I don't think MCAT scores are a particularly good metric. The old GRE (i.e., with the analytical section) would be better.

Date: 2007/04/09 21:09:58, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ April 09 2007,18:15) (every time Davetard starts babbling about the Second Law of Thermodynamics I imagine showing up at his door with a test from my sophomore thermo class) At the very least, you should provide DaveScot with a suitable book. (I like this one.)

Date: 2007/04/09 21:22:48, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ April 09 2007,21:17) I liked this one. If he read any entry to thermo book, maybe he would stop making these nonsense SLOT arguments. I am not familiar with that text. I think this one is good for straight stat mech but "milk before the meat," as they say.

Date: 2007/04/22 02:58:22, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

I used to defend Bill Dembski, but since he flew off the rails I have become disillusioned with him. I think it is a shame he is wasting his talents.

Date: 2007/04/22 23:20:07, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (guthrie @ April 22 2007,05:14) I'm curious Robert, at which point do you think he flew off the rails?  I'm sure you appreciate that to most of us here he did so as soon as he started publishing on ID. Bill's "street theater" post was the beginning of the end for me. The faux pas since then, including the infamous flatulence animation, have only served to cement my disappointment and disillusionment with him.

Date: 2007/05/05 20:16:51, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

That don't make no never mind to me. I would like to know what each think about America's poor showing in mathematics, though.

Date: 2007/05/12 14:42:11, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote Any idea why his blog, http://huperborea.blogspot.com/ links to the skeptic's Quran , the Skeptic's book of Mormon but not the Skeptic's Bible? Oh the intellectual honesty of these folks. I do not cite sources I cannot fully endorse. However, for those who are not lacking in native intelligence, you can get to the SAB from the other two very easily. Also, if you had bothered to look more closely, hayseed, you would have noticed the link to "The Hundredth Sheep," which is critical of the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon.

Date: 2007/05/12 14:44:18, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote Anyway, I hope you mention the trophy on your CV should you finish grad school. No thanks. Unlike you, I have standards. Quote After all, Florida didn't work out, right? That's right.

Date: 2007/05/12 14:56:14, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,14:51) You can't fully endorse any of the skeptic's rescources [sic] if you can't endorse part of them, Silly Billy. According to whom, the skeptic police? I'm pretty sure there is a fallacy of composition or division behind your statement.

Date: 2007/05/12 14:58:05, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,14:52) Unlike him, you have an award for Tard named after you. That's the real difference. Ah, but I do not accept awards from college drop-outs/failed comedians; that's where the standards come in.

Date: 2007/05/12 15:09:13, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,15:00) Let's look at your two blogs and their viewerships... Wow, he's outperforming you by such a wide margin, and you're so smart and edumacated, BobTard. Yes, Ed has an audience several orders greater than mine, but I attribute that to the fact that stultorum infinitus est numerus. Moreover, anyone who cites blog readership in lieu of actual accomplishments is pretty pathetic.

Date: 2007/05/12 15:41:14, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,15:15) BobTard: arbitrary judge of "actual accomplishments". Ed's blog is a fictional accomplishment? Theoretical accomplishment? Are you and Davetard related? You both have ego's that are the inverse of your abilities. Edit: and I'll bet dollars to donuts that the mean of those 'infinite fools' has achieved more than you, BobTard. Ah, Richard, your praise of Ed's "accomplishments" is a fine example of Asinus Asinum Fricat.

Date: 2007/05/12 16:00:50, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,15:46) Bobtard, put down your "bumper book of Latin phrases" and stop being so vainglorious. I'm not praising his accomplishments, just pointing out they're much more impressive than yours. quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur Twat. My good Richard, when are you going to realize I am unflappable? (Incidentally, I confess that I had fun imitating you here.)

Date: 2007/05/12 16:28:22, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,16:04) Yes, I'd change the subject too if I were you, BobTard. What no latin? Your skull cave keeps yammering, Richard, but all I "hear" is blah, blah, blah, f'ing blah.

Date: 2007/05/12 17:17:19, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,16:33) Bobtard: http://huperborea.blogspot.com/   Quote I sent this e-mail in support of Guillermo Gonzalez, an astronomer at Iowa State and author of The Privileged Planet after reading (via Telic Thoughts) that he has been denied tenure. Dr. Gonzalez: I am sorry that you have been denied tenure thus far at Iowa State; you deserve better. Clearly, quality of scholarship is not the issue, since the university is willing to grant tenure to Avalos and Allen (Duae tabulae rasae in quibus nihil scriptum est) but denies it to you. In any event, you have my best wishes. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. Sincerely, Robert O'Brien He must think you're so smart with all that latin, BobTard. ;) No doubt. I also forwarded it to Avalos as a courtesy.

Date: 2007/05/12 17:18:47, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,16:37) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 12 2007,16:28)   Quote (Richardthughes @ May 12 2007,16:04) Yes, I'd change the subject too if I were you, BobTard. What no latin? Your skull cave keeps yammering, Richard, but all I "hear" is blah, blah, blah, f'ing blah. Playground taunts, BobTard? Are you going to call me a Poopus Headus ? :) Nah. Nor will I call you Biggus Dickus.

Date: 2007/05/13 13:48:32, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 12 2007,18:59) Quote   Quote After all, Florida didn't work out, right? That's right. Buck up, there, big guy. Maybe someday some grad school will let you finish, someone might publish something you write, and you might stop simply being a laughing stock of the internet. In other words, you'll acheive some of the things that people who ridicule you so have taken for granted for so many years. Someday your life might get better. Or not. It could go either way. I traded up, Arden. Besides, if I wanted an easy out I could have become a linguistics flunky like you.

Date: 2007/05/13 13:51:45, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote Hey, Bob, a quick search on the internet (BTW, congrats that they gave out an O'Brien trophy last month) seems to indicate that certain people cite this as a real photo of you. Any truth to this? Whatever pic you were trying to link to, it appears that you mistakenly linked to a photo from your scat fetish folder instead. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache every so often.

Date: 2007/05/13 14:08:32, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 13 2007,14:05) Don't worry, we don't judge you harshly for not finishing grad school... You would not have cause to in any event, since I am still in grad school.

Date: 2007/05/13 14:13:12, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 13 2007,14:10) And we're sure you had the best of reasons for not making it at Florida. Absolutely.

Date: 2007/05/13 14:47:36, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Refusing to grant tenure to Guillermo Gonzalez is clearly ideologically/politically motivated. He has at least 55 publications in his field according to ISI Web of Knowledge, which is more than his most vociferous critics have accomplished.

Date: 2007/05/13 16:57:18, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 13 2007,16:03) Quote 'Clearly'? That's what I wrote. Quote So why were the other two professors denied tenure? Dunno. Quote Should someone who thinks Noah's Ark carved the Grand Canyon be given tenure at a geology department? Possibly, but in any event that is far removed from Guillermo Gonzalez's "cosmological ID." Quote As anyone who's been around academia any length of time can tell you, people have been denied tenure for far less. And people have been granted tenure for far less.

Date: 2007/05/13 17:10:13, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 13 2007,17:07) Alas, universities are under no obligation to provide people with secure pulpit from which to preach their religious opinions. Let him go to the Texas School of Seminary or whatever, with Dr Dr Bill. (shrug) Lenny, where are your 55+ publications in astronomy? Anyway, he did not introduce his avocational cosmological ID ideas into his classroom.

Date: 2007/05/13 17:23:52, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 13 2007,17:14) I think it's long past the time when nutters should be treated like. . .. well . . . like nutters. I am glad you finally came to that realization. When will you start taking lithium bicarbonate?

Date: 2007/05/13 17:30:37, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2007,17:26) Wow BobTard you're the funniest thing since..erm...eh...a burning orphanage. It's a gift.

Date: 2007/05/14 15:55:38, Link 132.239.145.155

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2007,17:44) I hope you kept the receipt. *jumps into ROFLcopter to escape the LOLocaust* Good comeback.

Date: 2007/05/14 15:57:25, Link 132.239.145.155

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (J-Dog @ May 14 2007,14:03) Thank you DaveTard for the link - Here is my email 'president@iastate.edu' Dr. Geoffroy, Thank you for leading a university that has to courage to stand up for the separation of church and state and deny tenure to an idiot like Guillermo Gonzalez. “Privileged Planet” my gluteus maximus!  He made Iowa State a laughing stock – now maybe he can seek tenure at a more suitable environment… like Liberty University. Thanks again for the truly “intelligent” decision! Thank you for demonstrating the lack of native intelligence of the opposition.

Date: 2007/05/14 15:58:21, Link 132.239.145.155

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 14 2007,15:00) Quote And people have been granted tenure for far less. And, as Sean Carroll's case shows, people have been denied tenure for far more. I think that the remaining perturbation, that of people having been granted tenure for far more, need not be explored. Was he denied tenure?

Date: 2007/05/14 16:02:33, Link 132.239.145.155

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 13 2007,23:23) I find it hilarious that a person who's published nothing (Robert) regularly insults anti-ID people for not publishing enough. I am surrounded by people who have impressive publication records in mathematics and statistics, and they are my measuring stick.

Date: 2007/05/14 17:03:45, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 13 2007,17:17) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 13 2007,13:51)   Quote Hey, Bob, a quick search on the internet (BTW, congrats that they gave out an O'Brien trophy last month) seems to indicate that certain people cite this as a real photo of you. Any truth to this? Whatever pic you were trying to link to, it appears that you mistakenly linked to a photo from your scat fetish folder instead. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache every so often. No, its hyperlinked by your name, BobTard. Seriously. Yeah, by "raindogzilla," who is even a bigger loser than Arden.

Date: 2007/05/14 17:38:50, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 14 2007,17:19) Quote 'Loser'? Yes. Quote I did not bomb out of my first grad school, Bob. Nor did I. Quote I do not have an internet award for idiocy named after me, Bob. I don't accept awards from college drop-outs/failed comedians. Quote I finished my PhD (University of California), Bob. That's nice. I am also at a UC, in a more demanding discipline. Quote I have over a dozen peer-reviewed publications, and my diss was published through a major academic press, Bob. That's nice. Quote So, who precisely is the 'loser', Bob? You.

Date: 2007/05/14 20:25:04, Link 132.239.145.189

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (blipey @ May 14 2007,18:11) Quote That's nice. I am also at a UC, in a more demanding discipline. I'm assuming that the discipline is not Law and that you were rejected by the debate team? Not even close buckwheat.

Date: 2007/05/14 20:27:28, Link 132.239.145.189

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 14 2007,17:50) Quote Was he denied tenure? Yes, Carroll was denied tenure at the University of Chicago. He moved to CalTech without instigating an email campaign about how he'd been robbed or otherwise showing anything but some disappointment that the UoC thing didn't work out. I'm not sure that Dr. Gonzalez has instigated such an e-mail campaign but I do not fault him if he has. People who are wronged should not roll over.

Date: 2007/05/15 16:42:15, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 15 2007,00:11) something tells me you constantly attempt to overcompensate for your rather tiny "measuring stick", bobbo. Maybe I should demonstrate my manhood by teaming up with you and Peezee to pick on another high school student.

Date: 2007/05/15 19:52:36, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 15 2007,18:45) Not an English major either, I see . . . . . (snicker)  (giggle) True. Nor am I a psychiatrist, but I still recommend medication to counter your anoetic rants.

Date: 2007/05/16 23:09:12, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (phonon @ May 03 2007,18:14) Last week there was a historian on and FDR came up. You might think this guy's opinions are funny. He loves Warren Harding and hates FDR. Replace Harding with Hoover and that describes my view. (Well, I don't "hate" FDR, but I certainly dislike him as a president.)

Date: 2007/05/17 01:08:51, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 17 2007,00:10) A tenure committee should take note of someone advocating a scam as if it were legitimate science. I do not think that criticism applies to Guillermo Gonzalez.

Date: 2007/05/17 01:11:00, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (blipey @ May 16 2007,23:49) Replace Harding with Hoover and that describes my view. (Well, I don't "hate" FDR, but I certainly dislike him as a president.)[/quote] I thought he was dead. No, he has been fitted with cybernetic parts and rules as shadow leader of the US.

Date: 2007/05/17 01:19:23, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (blipey @ May 16 2007,23:58) Ah, I see, massah.  You ARE majoring in Law at the Johnson School of Dumbassery BUT the debate team still turned you down.   Is that it massah? I'm afraid not, buckwheat.

Date: 2007/05/17 01:27:41, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,01:25) Should we ever go on another church burning spree, BobTard has first dibs on the cross. I'm not interested, DickTard.

Date: 2007/05/17 01:59:23, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,01:43) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 17 2007,01:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,01:25) Should we ever go on another church burning spree, BobTard has first dibs on the cross. I'm not interesting, DickTard. Corrected your typo for you. Good one, DickTard.

Date: 2007/05/17 02:02:35, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,01:44) And you critique Ed Brayton's humour... Humour? I think it is safe to say you are not from the U.S.

Date: 2007/05/17 13:25:20, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 17 2007,06:18) According to the DI, it does. Emphasis added:   Quote “There are two issues here: academic freedom and the First Amendment. Gonzalez has gained attention for his advocacy of intelligent design as legitimate science in his book, "The Privileged Planet." You should know as well as anyone that there are two schools in the ID "big tent," one for "biological ID" and one for "cosmological ID." Guillermo Gonzalez is in the latter group, and as far as I know he has not specifically endorsed Of Pandas and People.

Date: 2007/05/17 13:40:24, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,13:32) Two schools; one manifesto, BobTard. I refuse to lump them all together, DickTard. Guillermo Gonzalez is several steps above the Apostle of Savior-King Moon, for example.

Date: 2007/05/17 14:14:28, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 17 2007,13:48) Nothing like arbitrary Fundy dichotomies. DickTard: When you use "labels" indiscriminately they lose their force. If I'm a "fundy" then what's this guy

Date: 2007/05/18 19:14:47, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 17 2007,15:49) To be fair, the IDC-as-scam link is about the drafts of "Of Pandas and People". However, the point that Gonzalez may not have explicitly endorsed OPAP doesn't affect the validity of my statement. OPAP is not the only evidence going that IDC is a sham. Also, some people involved in a Ponzi scheme may sincerely believe that they are engaged in legitimate multi-level marketing business practices; they would still be wrong. There is nothing wrong with the sort of ID Guillermo Gonzalez writes about. The flagellum may have been unspun but the Anthropic Principle and teleology have not.

Date: 2007/05/18 19:24:01, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Iowa State denies tenure to an intelligent design advocate with impeccable credentials (via Telic Thoughts)

Date: 2007/05/19 21:04:23, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ May 18 2007,23:33) In case you haven't noticed, Bobbie, ID is illegal to teach.   Indeed, ANYTHING that invokes a supernatural creator or designer an an explanatory mechanism, is illegal to teach. Game over. Lenny, I realize you are limited to a certain set of cognitions, but I did not write anything about teaching ID.

Date: 2007/05/19 23:07:15, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 19 2007,21:20) BobTard, why not start up a thread about your blog? It'd get more views and comments than your blog does - presumably you want your ramblings looked at? That seems a little narcissistic.

Date: 2007/05/21 00:10:49, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 20 2007,07:32) Quote Lenny, I realize you are limited to a certain set of cognitions, but I did not write anything about teaching ID. Lenny's cognitive processes seem not to ignore relevant information, since the Discovery Institute Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture, the place where Gonzalez is a Senior Fellow, has written plenty about teaching ID. Privileged Planet Teaching Guide by Gonzalez and Richards:     Quote We are pleased that Dr. Keas has granted us permission to expand on and adapt his guide for a broader audience. It is appropriate for high school through advanced undergraduate students. It can be used as a supplement for an introductory astronomy or general science course, along with The Privileged Planet and accompanying documentary, an introductory astronomy textbook and perhaps a set of readings on the history of science (e.g., selected chapters from The Book of the Cosmos by Dennis Danielson). (Emphasis added.) I suppose a demonstrated inability to ignore inconvenient information could be viewed as a cognitive limitation. To others, it may appear as an essential component of intellectual honesty. Not everyone affiliated with DI is interested in the politics of ID, and I have seen nothing to suggest Guillermo Gonzalez has pushed his teleological musings in his classes. Also, you neglect to mention the person they are addressing teaches at a Baptist university.

Date: 2007/05/21 01:39:41, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

As I posted to Rob Knop's blog, perhaps the inquisition will soon extend to Owen Gingerich and John Polkinghorne.

Date: 2007/05/21 14:54:59, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 21 2007,13:44) I had to edit this post a bit. Robert O'Brien's here, and therefore he qualifies for the minimal courtesy of not being insulted. I didn't mind, really, but thanks.

Date: 2007/05/22 15:48:49, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2007,15:42) I'd finish school (if you can) before getting all Smarmy. I think I am entitled to a little smarminess. :)

Date: 2007/05/22 16:39:38, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2007,16:04) Now with 100% less Latin! :angry: Ugh, you people and your demands. Look, I'm not here to fulfill your every frickin' whim, alright? I want to see more Latin. Send Trogdor over to my house. Put on a purple thing and dance around! Well, I've had it!

Date: 2007/05/22 18:05:05, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2007,16:34) Hannity - I'm talking to you, you big girls blouse! Hannity annoys me.

Date: 2007/05/23 17:07:15, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 23 2007,16:52) Yikes. Seconded.

Date: 2007/05/24 17:31:48, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Please leave Dawkins on the islands.

Date: 2007/05/24 19:24:08, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

He was close by, apparently.

Date: 2007/05/24 20:14:16, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Hector Avalos, professor of corn pone and erstwhile nemesis of Guillermo Gonzalez, responds to his critics here.

Date: 2007/05/24 20:47:30, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,20:42) as usual, you're way late on the uptake there, bobbo. btw, I'll take Avalos' "corn pone" over your witless wonders any day. also, he is certainly not a "nemesis" of Gonzales, in that he readily admits to having absolutely no bearing on Gonzales' tenure issue. or didn't you actually bother to even read his statement, lackwit? man, you are SUCH a waste of good air. Icky, if you would kindly remove your head from your nethers you might note that Avalos shadowed Gonzalez during his speaking engagements, which evinces his fixation with Dr. Gonzalez.

Date: 2007/05/24 20:56:29, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 24 2007,20:50) You should look up "erstwhile" and find out what it means. As far as I know, Avalos' shadowing and attempts to incite the faculty against Gonzalez were in the past.

Date: 2007/05/24 21:13:21, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

By the way, I recently forwarded this to Avalos: Quote Dr. Gonzalez: I am sorry that you have been denied tenure thus far at Iowa State; you deserve better. Clearly, quality of scholarship is not the issue, since the university is willing to grant tenure to Avalos and Allen (Duae tabulae rasae in quibus nihil scriptum est) but denies it to you. In any event, you have my best wishes. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito. Sincerely, Robert O'Brien And, of course, I previously sent him this: Quote Avalos: I have to laugh at the claim you are a Biblical scholar. I am very well read in the field, and I have you to encounter your name. As an undergraduate I took Attic Greek from a favorite prof of mine who studied under Gregory Nagy and James Kugel at Harvard; even with those "once removed" credentials I would not hesitate to take you on.

Date: 2007/05/24 21:19:24, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 24 2007,21:08) So Avalos is not a current "nemesis" of GG.  So wtf is your point here? What do you think? Even though his harrying of Gonzalez may have tapered off, I still think Avalos is a toad and an unspectacular academic. (Sort of like another Midwestern professor who shall remain nameless.)

Date: 2007/05/24 21:38:26, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,21:34) Quote As far as I know, Avalos' shadowing and attempts to incite the faculty against Gonzalez were in the past. that and a swift kick might get you out the door, but that's about it. why do you insist on flaunting your lack of knowledge on a continual basis, bobbo? Quote By the way, I recently forwarded this to Avalos: Quote Dr. Gonzalez: so you uh, forward a message to Dr. Gonzalez to Avalos... very impressive bobbo! you uh, do realize everyone here just laughs at you, right? just to be clear, that's AT you, not with you. fool. Gee, Icky, does that mean you have knowledge that Avalos continues to be as strident in harrying Guillermo Gonzalez?

Date: 2007/05/24 21:41:13, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,21:34) you uh, do realize everyone here just laughs at you, right? just to be clear, that's AT you, not with you. fool. You might want to find another, healthier, outlet for your sexual frustration, Icky.

Date: 2007/05/24 21:49:55, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote I take it you don't mean the British Isles? Because that's where he is now. No, they are not remote enough.   Quote Meanie. Don't you pick on him! Not even a trip to Fantasy Island aboard the Loveboat would endear Dawkins to me. Besides, I "pick on him" regularly on his website.  :)

Date: 2007/05/24 22:16:23, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ May 24 2007,21:46) I believe that Avalos laid out his credentials in his post. Care to maybe address them instead of following the party line and siding with the persecution complex folks? What's there to address? I am not impressed by his degrees (Are you impressed with the degrees of the Apostle of Moon?) or by the publications he has listed: Quote Selected Publications This Abled Body: Rethinking Disabilities in Biblical Studies, co-edited with Sarah Melcher and Jeremy Schipper (Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, In press) The End of Biblical Studies (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, In Press) Strangers in Our Own Land: Religion in U.S. Latina/o Literature, (Nashville: Abingdon, 2005). Fighting Words: The Origins of Religious Violence, (Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 2005) Introduction to the U.S. Latina and Latino Religious Experience, (Editor; Boston: Brill, 2004). Se puede saber si Dios existe? [Can One Know if God Exists?]. (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Press, 2003). Health Care and the Rise of Christianity (Peabody: Mass: Hendrickson Press, 1999). Illness and Health Care in the Ancient Near East: The Role of the Temple in Greece, Mesopotamia, and Israel (Harvard Semitic Monographs 54: Atlanta: Scholars Press, 1995).

Date: 2007/05/24 22:20:20, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 24 2007,22:04) Quote I am very well read in the field, and I have you to encounter your name. I'll bet that the fact that you don't seem to know the difference between "you" and "yet" but blither in Latin impressed the crap out of him. You must be his pedantic twin, since he also noted that typo.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:23:21, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,22:16) you gave me the filthiest fantasy just now. I thank you. Of course I don't know what you look like. Angels and ministers of grace defend me.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:25:58, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,22:24) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 24 2007,22:20) Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 24 2007,22:04)   Quote I am very well read in the field, and I have you to encounter your name. I'll bet that the fact that you don't seem to know the difference between "you" and "yet" but blither in Latin impressed the crap out of him. You must be his pedantic twin, since he also noted that typo. oops, now you've gone and done it bobbo. I gotta see the response letter you implicitly claim to have received from Avalo. really, at least that would be something. *sigh* most likely you just fantasized he responded to your idiocy. which of course, makes me wonder why, other than sheer boredom, I'm even bothering to respond to your idiocy. put up or shut up, bobbo. He responded to me both times, Icky.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:29:23, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

By the way, Kristine, I wrote Fantasy Island, not Fire Island.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:33:43, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,22:28) put up or shut up, bobbo. you're goddamn boring.  at least the responses would be interesting. I'm not sure I still have the first. Anyway, I don't think I will post his e-mails without asking, and I'm not about to ask.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:37:06, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,22:35) sure, bobbo, sure. I believe you, based on the fantastic content and substantive arguments you have so often presented in the past. give it up already. And yet you keep engaging me.

Date: 2007/05/24 22:58:34, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,22:44) Love, exciting and new...come aboard, we're expecting you! You're a naughty boy. Belly dancer like your kinky suggestion very much.  :p Well, I can't blame you for having a jones for me, Kristine. I am quite a catch.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:00:15, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ May 24 2007,22:43) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 24 2007,22:33) Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,22:28) put up or shut up, bobbo. you're goddamn boring.  at least the responses would be interesting. I'm not sure I still have the first. Anyway, I don't think I will post his e-mails without asking, and I'm not about to ask. Convenient The first e-mail exchange was back in 9/2005.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:09:39, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Kristine @ May 24 2007,23:02) Now less talky and cough up some photos, please! I have been cooperative in this area. :) If you insist:

Date: 2007/05/24 23:11:46, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ May 24 2007,23:06) Care to address his credentials now? Exactly how do they make him a professor of "corn pone"? Cuz' Chuck Norris told me so.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:15:21, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,23:11) However, good point.  I'm completely bored at this point, and  watching the same lame pun get played out over and over again by you has become more than tiresome. So long.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:16:44, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 24 2007,23:12) Bradus Pittus. LOL!

Date: 2007/05/24 23:17:44, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,23:14) I hereby officially vote for bannation. You first, Icky.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:23:50, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ May 24 2007,23:18) Brilliant. I suggest you run off now like Ichthych says. You're only digging deeper. If you can't back up your childish accusations against a man who more than likely doesn’t even read this forumn, then I think it's time for you to take your place alongside the other cowards. What more is there to say? I reject Avalos' assertion that his B.A. in anthropology qualifies him as a scientist and I think his work in religious studies is pedestrian at best.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:26:13, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,23:21) oh, and do feel free to be the first to ban me from a forum by banning me from posting on your site. since I've never had the slightest interest in posting there, it would be appropriate. I can't ban people who don't post.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:28:18, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 24 2007,23:26) Not at all, Bob is quite an expert on not publishing. And Arden is an expert regarding not getting noticed.

Date: 2007/05/24 23:42:05, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 24 2007,23:33) then I guess we can't ban you either, bobbo. or do you call what you write "posts"? seems like nothing but noise to me. I thought you were done, Icky.

Date: 2007/05/25 00:11:51, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 24 2007,23:49) Corn pone biscuits and gravy chicken fried steak Now I'm hungry. Dang. LOL.

Date: 2007/05/25 02:28:43, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (BWE @ May 25 2007,02:14) Bob, may I call you bob? I had to catch up on this a bit but wow. Do you engage strangers in coffeeshops in political or religious arguments? Do you have any friends? Seriously. 1. yes 2. no 3. yes

Date: 2007/05/25 17:52:21, Link 132.239.145.190

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Darth Robo @ May 25 2007,05:00) You talking about richarddawkins.net?  I don't recall seeing you there, do you have a different handle? No, I also post there with my real name. If they had a decent search function you might be able to find my posts.

Date: 2007/05/25 17:55:59, Link 132.239.145.190

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ May 25 2007,08:27) After all, look what he wanted to do to Dawkins. I'm telling you he's as mentally healthy as a padded cell inmate, and twice as tragic. Strand him on the Galapagos Islands? Yeah, that's positively pathological. Do you test the drugs on yourself, Louis, cuz' that would explain a lot.

Date: 2007/05/28 03:08:35, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 27 2007,19:36) LOL at that fark link: ROFL

Date: 2007/05/30 14:28:55, Link 128.54.57.180

Author: Robert O'Brien

Mark Perakh was so offended by my use of "dumb arse" that he deleted that comment as well as the one addressed to Clouser, so the fight was over before it began.

Date: 2007/05/30 17:56:00, Link 132.239.145.152

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 29 2007,23:51) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 29 2007,22:31) This from PT:   Quote Posted by Mark Perakh on May 29, 2007 9:18 PM (e) I have removed a comment by Robert O’Brien because he had the gall to use obscenity addressing a comment by some other commenter. There was nothing in the deleted comment besides that obscenity. Such offensive and contents-empty comments will not be tolerated. Although O’Brien has most brazenly overstepped the boundary of the tolerable behavior, there are other comments, albeit not as offensive as that by O’Brien, still using ad-hominems. Ladies and gentlemen, please behave as ladies and gentlemen. Ad hominems only weaken your arguments. Thank you. Out of curiosity, did anybody see what obscenity our beloved ROB hurled? he called someone an arsehead for asking him to followup on an ancient driveby he did. typical RO. Actually, I wrote: "What do you want to know, dumb arse?"

Date: 2007/05/31 17:43:20, Link 132.239.145.148

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Guest @ May 31 2007,12:53) More fanaticism from PZ. Of course he slams faith, as he continues to rely on it. He asserts that the existence of the universe, life, mind and reason itself are the result of mindless processes, but such has not been demonstrated. But, he assure us, these questions will be answered; he has faith in the mindlessly evolved organic brain and its ability to comprehend the true nature of a mindlessly developed mathematically ordered universe. In the meantime, to make up for living in Morris, he can spew invective on those who don't see it his way. Yeah, I can't think of a better punishment for him than being stuck in Morris.

Date: 2007/05/31 19:53:09, Link 132.239.145.151

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 31 2007,19:17) I can: being locked in a room with YOU, in Morris. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who disagrees with me, either. now go back and thwack the Clouserbot on the head again. she STILL hasn't adequately addressed your question. I think I might outsource that task to Lenny. He is better at harping than me.

Date: 2007/06/03 19:01:47, Link 128.54.57.180

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ June 02 2007,19:05) http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/06/the_swooning_begins.php Where is Avalos' dunce cap?

Date: 2007/06/04 13:27:42, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 04 2007,09:37) ...Mark Chu-Carroll, a mathematician of not being qualified to review a book on its mathematical competency. MCC is in computer science, not  mathematics.

Date: 2007/06/04 13:49:37, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

BigDumbChimp: I was not commenting on the quality (or lack thereof) of MCC's review. I simply was correcting your misstatement. Louis: Please get a chimp (not necessarily BDC) to test your drugs on instead of testing them on yourself.

Date: 2007/06/05 03:24:46, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 04 2007,18:41) Hey Bobbie, do you write your own material? If so, you need to hire a writer. If you do not care what I have to say (as you stated the other day) then why address me? Apparently, you believe "...consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."

Date: 2007/06/05 03:25:23, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Rev. BigDumbChimp @ June 04 2007,19:08) A floppy disk? What's that? (Is it at all related to the horse-and-buggy?)

Date: 2007/06/07 15:05:08, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

[quote=Ichthyic,June 04 2007,14:14][/quote] Quote still think he couldn't be qualified as a mathematician? MCC is qualified as a mathematician in those areas of mathematics which overlap with computer science. Quote what was your degree in? Mathematics & Statistics. Quote you came SO close to actually having a substantive argument with the Clouserbot, and yet you ran away from that too. I made my point. I do not feel the need to harp on it, especially since Mark Perakh thinks it is tangential to his thread and he is ultimately in control of its content.

Date: 2007/06/07 19:31:34, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Jack Daniels is nice on rare occasions.

Date: 2007/06/14 03:50:13, Link 132.239.145.150

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 12 2007,21:13) Oh great, now we'll have to listen to some tedious snarl by Robert O'Brien. I could not bring myself to read through all of Peezee's blah-blah-blah.

Date: 2007/06/15 12:23:32, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ June 14 2007,05:39) Quote I could not bring myself to read through all of Peezee's blah-blah-blah. Translation: Can someone help me with the big words please? Louis Don't quit your day job to become a translator. (Or should I write translatour. I never know with that odd spelling you have over there.)

Date: 2007/06/17 18:23:10, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

The Brookfield Institute of Transparadigmic Science WTF?

Date: 2007/06/29 22:00:32, Link 132.239.145.153

Author: Robert O'Brien

I debated Bob Price re: the historicity of Jesus on Reginald Finley's debate hour. It should be available as a podcast soon.

Date: 2007/07/07 13:34:04, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 29 2007,23:29) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ June 29 2007,22:00) I debated Bob Price re: the historicity of Jesus on Reginald Finley's debate hour. It should be available as a podcast soon. What was your position, Robert? I argued for the historicity of Jesus.

Date: 2007/07/07 13:36:37, Link 132.239.145.144

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 30 2007,03:07) A debate *hour*? I will have to give that a listen. Let us know when that is up. It still isn't up yet, and I don't know why. Perhaps Reggie does not think our discussion is of general interest, although I don't think the content is much different than Bob Price's "Bible Geek" segments.

Date: 2007/07/08 23:02:58, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 07 2007,14:17) Jesus as a man, or son of god? I argued that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person. Arguing for Christianity will have to wait for another debate hour. :)

Date: 2007/07/08 23:19:39, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 08 2007,23:09) Can I ask you a favour, Robert? PM me if interested. PM sent

Date: 2007/07/11 17:42:46, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (creeky belly @ July 11 2007,04:43) Podcast is up. Thanks for the heads up!

Date: 2007/07/14 14:22:40, Link 132.239.145.147

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 12 2007,20:38) http://infidelguy.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=234090#   Quote Biblical Scholar, Dr. Robert Price and Autodidact Robert O'Brien discuss whether or not history adequately supports that Jesus existed. NooooooooOOOOOooooooooo! Emphasis mine. What, are you saying that watching the Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, and the Passion is not sufficient preparation?  :D

Date: 2007/07/14 21:41:33, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

I'm not sure what the problem is, Stephen. You might check to see what program mp3 files are associated with on your computer.

Date: 2007/07/30 20:32:14, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

I am not 'de jure' banned at UD (as far as I know) but I am 'de facto' banned, probably for posting unflattering things about DaveScot.

Date: 2007/07/31 14:56:16, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

SAL CORDOVA: And that, my lord, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. BILL DEMBSKI: This new learning amazes me, Sal.  Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. SAL CORDOVA: Of course, my Liege ...

Date: 2007/08/26 17:28:52, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Which would make no nevermind to me but for the fact that this is not the first time Perakh has prevented me from responding to the accusations of this Anonymous Coward. The first time my post was deleted under the pretext that I used obscenity (i.e., "dumb arse") and now this response has been blocked in DaveScot fashion:       Quote       Quote On the other hand, he pretends to be a big expert in various fields which he studied under prominent professors. He used to claim to be great in math, having studied under Professor Rachev who in turn was a student of Kantorovich. However, wnen O?Brien was requested to provide a brief explanation of Kantorovich metrics, he just disappeared from this blog. You keep crawling out of your hole to air this vituperation, but the last time you posted it I asked you what it is you wanted to know about the Kantorovich metric and I received no reply. So, I ask again, what do you want to know about the Kantorovich metric? I just want it on record that I tried to answer this challenge not once, but twice, only to be thwarted by AR's patron Mark Perakh.

Date: 2007/08/26 18:37:20, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

To his credit, Mark Perakh has subsequently let my response through.

Date: 2007/08/26 18:53:24, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 26 2007,18:46) So you were bitching about nothing, huh. As it turns out, yes.

Date: 2007/08/26 20:42:14, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 26 2007,20:17) TEH TARD! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Taftv6yrd_Y See this video at 2:10. :)

Date: 2007/08/27 16:19:14, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 27 2007,12:33) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 27 2007,10:37) Oh, he's not interested in any dialogue. I'll say! My comment never appeared. You didn't invite him on a cruise with Dawkins to Fire Island did you, Kristine?

Date: 2007/11/02 19:17:43, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

'Tis true. He was at Scripps, which is just across the way. I was not able to make his talk because the traffic was atrocious today and also because I remembered that I technically did not know where Scripps was. (I had to call my roommate. It is like another campus, really.) I made the post-talk discussion, though, and I introduced myself just as PZ was about to leave. I guess I can say that PZ did not have horns and was not a terribly mean old atheist in person. (I may have missed that part, though!) I even told him to have a safe flight back. Do you think I am getting soft?

Date: 2007/11/02 19:56:29, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 02 2007,19:50) Is it possible for you to post the photo somewhere? I don't have it. One of the students who invited PZ took it. However, I believe PZ plans on posting it to Pharyngula. (If not, you can e-mail him and ask him for it directly. I know he plans on sending it to Ed Brayton)

Date: 2007/11/02 22:16:32, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 02 2007,21:36) I talked with Ed Brayton about you over dinner. I bet your ears wear burning, Rob*. *I tease - nothing that nasty was said. That's good, although I took a swipe at Ed recently, so he would've been a little justified in being nasty.  :D

Date: 2007/11/02 23:32:11, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 02 2007,22:46) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Nov. 02 2007,22:16) Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 02 2007,21:36) I talked with Ed Brayton about you over dinner. I bet your ears wear burning, Rob*. *I tease - nothing that nasty was said. That's good, although I took a swipe at Ed recently, so he would've been a little justified in being nasty.  :D Linky? It was a drive-by posting at his blog. I didn't stick around to watch the grenade go off, but I imagine Ed has deleted it by now.

Date: 2007/11/03 13:05:20, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

PZ posted the pic here. This is a more natural photo (sans PZ).

Date: 2007/11/03 20:06:52, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

My box turtle youtube video

Date: 2007/11/04 19:42:38, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (keiths @ Oct. 25 2007,11:40) Quote You wouldn’t be wondering if you’d had a number of other men’s wives yelling at you in the height of passion “I want to have your baby!”. It’s a little disconcerting at first but you get used to it. It’s a dirty job but someone has to do it. Some guys prefer to make the world’s children smarter by becoming teachers and some guys prefer to make them smarter through better genetics. It’s all good. You guys are being unfair to DaveScot by posting that pic of DaveScot, Sr., his father.

Date: 2007/11/07 02:05:42, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 06 2007,16:09) Quote (Ftk @ Nov. 06 2007,14:56) Hey a bonus question, what's your take on the Discovery Institute? That's kind of a silly question.  I think the Discovery Institute it great.  Though, I do prefer some of ID proponents over others.  And, no, I won't be sharing more on that comment. They're not as funny as UD, but the on-going "no-research, only press releases" gag still has legs. You'll be sorry when they emerge from their secret underwater lab to present their research.

Date: 2007/11/08 13:41:16, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Nov. 07 2007,02:05) You'll be sorry when they emerge from their secret underwater lab to present their research. Tragically, the DI realizes too late that implanting Hitler's brain in the body of a great white shark in order to cement the relationship between Nazism and evolution was a bad idea.

Date: 2007/11/14 18:26:39, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

I enjoyed the interview with Phillip Johnson. I agree, though, that they really dropped the ball by not including DaveScot. (If only he had been at the Dover school board meeting, he would have shut down any talk of Jesus right quick!)

Date: 2007/11/20 00:32:51, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

This is a (non-exhaustive) list of my favorites: Ben Hur, A Man for All Seasons, Chariots of Fire, The Wicker Man (the original), Aliens, Star Trek II, Last of the Mohicans, Bridge on the River Kwai, Raise the Red Lantern, Empire Strikes Back, LOTR, Event Horizon, The Name of the Rose.

Date: 2007/11/20 01:04:39, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 18 2007,18:10) Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 17 2007,05:27) Quote Also, if humans are simply genetic mutations of some simpler life form, then why are we the only species that wears clothes? why then the timidity? That's your God of the argument. That was clever Steve. Not as clever as my "DI placing Hitler's brain in a great white shark" gag but still pretty good.

Date: 2007/11/20 16:12:36, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 20 2007,07:37) ...John Carpenter's The Thing... That's a good one, too. Wilford Brimley does a good job in a role that's atypical for him. The special effects are somewhat nauseating, though. Anyway, I just remembered another one of my favorites: To Kill a Mockingbird.

Date: 2007/11/21 00:53:08, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

The lack of flatulence sounds leads me to believe Bill had nothing to do with the reworking.

Date: 2007/11/21 14:09:09, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Well, they could not have gone extinct before 1981, since they can be seen in Clash of the Titans.

Date: 2007/11/30 10:59:38, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Ed Brayton and Wesley Elsberry believe my suggestion re: deleting common descent from a curriculum is a violation of Epperson v. Arkansas but I actually cite the content of the ruling to demonstrate their error here.

Date: 2007/11/30 11:27:11, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 30 2007,11:13) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Nov. 30 2007,10:59) Ed Brayton and Wesley Elsberry believe my suggestion re: deleting common descent from a curriculum is a violation of Epperson v. Arkansas but I actually cite the content of the ruling to demonstrate their error here. Get them to remove division from maths, also please. I never liked it much. Actually, we should just buy all secondary school students a subscription to Scientific American let them loose.  :D

Date: 2007/11/30 12:30:47, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Tom Ames @ Nov. 30 2007,12:15) Can we see your 'turtle bashing its head against the mirror' video again? Somehow your posts always remind me of that movie. Insightful self-referential commentary? I think maybe so! Hey, I'll have you know that when I took an IQ test in Cosmo a few years back I scored 200. And that is without rescaling; my score would probably be twice as much under the current scale. (Incidentally, my suggested professions were autodidact, mushroom cultivator, or mushroom-cultivating autodidact.)

Date: 2007/12/03 19:22:07, Link 76.88.38.105

Author: Robert O'Brien

I stand by my analysis of Epperson v. Arkansas as applied to the hypothetical I raised. Since no one who has taken an interest in this exchange is a federal judge, the argument will have to remain where it is.

Date: 2008/04/20 17:36:09, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

As I commented on another version of that clip, it is hard to decide which one, Dawkins or Maher, is a bigger p.o.s. Their research output for the last twenty years is equivalent, though. As for the talking snake, I see it as a literary fiction that has no bearing on the truth of Christianity, which is centered on the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Date: 2008/04/21 02:09:09, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps....0420009 He will be joining Grove City College as an associate professor of astronomy. I am happy for him. He won't have to deal with the slime balls he faced at ISU, who can rot away in obscurity in Ames. (via Olorin)

Date: 2008/04/21 19:51:52, Link 128.54.57.158

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (ERV @ April 21 2008,19:31) Dont send him an email. Send one to his uni. Ask them if it is a Grove City tradition to have their professors hold part-time pan-handling positions. I know you like to harass people associated with ID but I suggest leaving him alone and taking up another hobby.

Date: 2008/04/21 20:09:50, Link 128.54.57.158

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 21 2008,20:03) Quote I know you like to harass people associated with ID but I suggest leaving him alone and taking up another hobby. No, we stand up and oppose liars and charlatans who work to damage science education in this nation.  It is Gonzalez and the Discovery Institute who created this stink.  Every other astronomer who was denied tenure has gotten on with their work and careers without playing the religious persecution card in public. Save it, Dilbert. I've heard your spiel before. Guillermo Gonzalez did nothing wrong and I think he was treated unjustly.

Date: 2008/04/21 21:10:34, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 21 2008,20:11) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 21 2008,00:09) http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps....0420009 He will be joining Grove City College as an associate professor of astronomy. I am happy for him. He won't have to deal with the slime balls he faced at ISU, who can rot away in obscurity in Ames. (via Olorin) "Rot away in obscurity"? Robert, try thinking before you rant. Which do you think is more 'obscure': a Christian liberal arts college in Grove City, Pennsylvania, or Iowa State University? It's obvious you're pissed off, but you could try and make a *little* sense. Now that Gonzalez has another job he should grow the fuck up, admit he fucked up his tenure track time at ISU, and tell the DI to quit panhandling for him. I see no reason to institute special rules of tenure for someone just because the DI likes him. And let's hope for his sake that if Grove City has a tenure process, they don't care whether their faculty publish or bring in grant money. Iowa State is known for football, statistics, and agriculture (or so I assume). It is not known for physics. Add to that the fact that Ames is a soul-enervating ****hole (yes, I've been there) and I'd say Dr. Gonzalez comes out ahead of his opponents.

Date: 2008/04/22 09:38:45, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Louis @ April 22 2008,03:13) To add to my previous comment: "Didn't we already know this?" I would like to append the following: Don't we know that Bobby is merely trolling for yucks and poopies? Bobby, time and again, has demonstrated he is a TarTar of the lowest, most oleaginous rung. Even I'm not sufficiently stupid to credit this attempt at flamebait with more than cursory piss-taking! Louis P.S. Brief on topic addendum: GG goes to christian school to excape da perhersecushun? Big fucking surprise. I feel sorry for the guy. He sold himself very cheaply to a set of very dumb ideas and people. My good knob, As I wrote previously, you do not have to put yourself in the cart by testing the drugs on yourself.

Date: 2008/04/22 10:22:49, Link 128.54.57.158

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,10:12) Rob, do you get to hand these out / be at the award dinners? http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....a_1.php Nah. I do not accept awards from college drop outs/failed comedians. Did I ever tell you the initial cause of the bad blood between Ed and I? One day I decided to drop in on him and when he stepped out of his kitchen to take a phone call I ate his last Krispy Kreme. He has not forgiven me for that faux pas to this day.

Date: 2008/04/22 14:45:43, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (CeilingCat @ April 22 2008,06:45) Even worse, he leaves out the number one cause of murderous anti-semitism, a group that was hating Jews 2000 years ago and which has been slaughtering them in wholesale lots for the last thousand years: Christianity. And not just any old Christians, either.  A few liberal Christians did oppose the Nazis.  Hitler killed about 600 of them.  The Conservative Christians were enthusiastic supporters of the Nazi party.   ALL of the top Nazis and all of their minions were Christians.  Hitler only got into power because the Roman Catholic church dismantled the Catholic Zentrum party in return for money and recognition. See here for the gory details of Hitler and Christianity's role in his rise. Gregory S. Paul is the phony who claimed that the more religious a country is, the more societal ills it will suffer from, which has been thoroughly debunked. The Bible does not call for the persecution of Jews. The Roman Catholic Church and Luther, however, did. Oh, and a Christian would not say the sort of things Hitler said in his table talk.

Date: 2008/04/22 14:51:55, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,14:47) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,15:45) Oh, and a Christian would not say the sort of things Hitler said in his table talk. You mean like "Gott mit uns"? That only signifies theism. I do not think Hitler was an atheist but neither do I think he was a Christian.

Date: 2008/04/22 14:53:22, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,14:49) There is a biblical tradition of God mandated genocide. In the Hebrew Scriptures!

Date: 2008/04/22 14:58:09, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,14:56) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,15:53) Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,14:49) There is a biblical tradition of God mandated genocide. In the Hebrew Scriptures! Quote [1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. [3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. [5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. [6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. [7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation, chapter 6 I do not see a call to genocide in your citation.

Date: 2008/04/22 15:02:17, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,14:59) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,15:58) Quote (Lou FCD @ April 22 2008,14:56)   Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,15:53)   Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,14:49) There is a biblical tradition of God mandated genocide. In the Hebrew Scriptures!   Quote [1] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. [3] And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. [5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. [6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. [7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth. Revelation, chapter 6 I do not see a call to genocide in your citation. Can you see it better now? No. There is a distinct difference between saying "a lot of bad **** is going to go down" and the Israelites slaughtering the inhabitants of Jericho (for example).

Date: 2008/04/22 15:29:09, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (didymos @ April 22 2008,15:21) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 22 2008,12:53) Quote (Richardthughes @ April 22 2008,14:49) There is a biblical tradition of God mandated genocide. In the Hebrew Scriptures! Does anyone else see this as just a way of basically saying "No.  It was those bloodthirsty Jews"?  And, don't many Christians take the position that even though, maybe, God no longer mandates that sort of thing, at one time he did, and therefore it was to the good? If you want to discuss this in another thread I am willing.

Date: 2008/04/22 17:07:28, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Doc Bill @ April 22 2008,17:00) As reported by the Iowa State Daily, GG said Quote Gonzalez said the movie shows a real climate of fear about this topic in universities. "At one university where I sent an application, an assistant professor attended the meeting where faculty were going over applicants," he said. "He told me that someone said I was 'that ID guy' and that they didn't even look at my application. This person also told me he was a closet ID supporter and he didn't dare speak in my defense." Personally, I don't believe this at all. Anonymous guy talking about "someone."  Typical creationist, making stuff up.  Good for GG working at a bible college where faith trumps integrity.  He'll do well there. I believe GG. You obviously do not know the first thing about him or Grove City College. Stick to strummin' your banjo, hayseed.

Date: 2008/04/24 10:29:57, Link 128.54.59.211

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 24 2008,03:15) Quote Ono is seeking Premise's profit from the documentary, as well as at least $75,000 in damages and a ban on the 1971 song's use in the film. All the profit - potentially gone! http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695273188,00.html EDIT: And if it makes a loss? Does Yoko owe them money? :) Yoko Ono is a crazy bitch.

Date: 2008/04/24 14:28:39, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ April 24 2008,12:13) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 24 2008,08:29)     Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 24 2008,03:15)     Quote Ono is seeking Premise's profit from the documentary, as well as at least $75,000 in damages and a ban on the 1971 song's use in the film. All the profit - potentially gone! http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695273188,00.html EDIT: And if it makes a loss? Does Yoko owe them money? :) Yoko Ono is a crazy bitch. Yeah, they use her husband's song without permission and compare him to a Nazi, and 'the bitch' just freaks out! What's up with that? I don't think they meant to compare Lennon to a Nazi. Also, using a refrain from a song does not count as stealing in my book, especially since the guy who actually wrote and sang the song is long since dead.

Date: 2008/04/24 14:36:00, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ April 24 2008,14:32) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 24 2008,15:28) Also, using a refrain from a song does not count as stealing in my book, especially since the guy who actually wrote and sang the song is long since dead. I heard he was buried wearing a really nice watch. Go for it, let me know how that turns out. I'll pass. Tomb-robbing is only appropriate in archaeology and Dungeons & Dragons.

Date: 2008/04/24 14:38:13, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ April 24 2008,14:36) Quote (Lou FCD @ April 24 2008,14:32) I heard he was buried wearing a really nice watch. Go for it, let me know how that turns out. But he won't need that watch in Hell! Silly atheists... LOL!

Date: 2008/04/24 15:04:59, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2008,14:42) Were you a cleric or a paladin, Rob? enquiring minds want to know! A paladin. Do you have some polyhedral dice (other than the familiar cube) in your attic? :D

Date: 2008/04/25 16:28:44, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2008,15:37) Quote (BWE @ April 24 2008,15:32) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 24 2008,15:04)   Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2008,14:42) Were you a cleric or a paladin, Rob? enquiring minds want to know! A paladin. Do you have some polyhedral dice (other than the familiar cube) in your attic? :D Of course it would be the next post. Onward Frankish So-oldiers! This was his campaign*: http://www.crusades-encyclopedia.com/cannibalism.html *teasing. No. This was my campaign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7iH_83ovWs I am the one who corrects the leader's math and says, "Let us taunt it!  It may become so cross that it will make a mistake."

Date: 2008/04/25 16:36:32, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (BWE @ April 24 2008,15:31) Quote (Richardthughes @ April 24 2008,14:42) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ April 24 2008,14:36)   I'll pass. Tomb-robbing is only appropriate in archaeology and Dungeons & Dragons. Were you a cleric or a paladin, Rob? enquiring minds want to know! Roland is fierce and Oliver is wise. There is a lot of understanding in literature. I'm sure Bob was a Paladin. I am impressed. The Song of Roland is one of my favorites. The Moors were the "Darwinists" of the Medieval Iberia. :D (Actually, I am part Portuguese and thus part Moor myself.)

Date: 2008/04/25 17:11:11, Link 128.54.48.12

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,16:37) Bob, it is with great sadness that I must point you to this: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp That is a classic Chick tract with a truly worthy spoof. Another great Chick spoof is Who Will Be Eaten First?

Date: 2008/04/25 17:14:45, Link 128.54.48.12

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ April 25 2008,16:39) The Moor, the merrier, Bob. Didn't DaveScot argue that it was the Moops who invaded Spain?

Date: 2008/04/26 21:38:06, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (ERV @ April 26 2008,20:02) But [William Dembski] doesnt actually *work*--Hasnt published shit in math... I am disappointed in Bill. He could contribute to mathematics but he does not. It is a waste of God-given talent.

Date: 2008/05/05 14:53:03, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2008,17:50) Quote (Lou FCD @ April 23 2008,16:02)     Quote (didymos @ April 23 2008,15:37) OK, I'm tenatively calling bullshit on something, but don't know if it really is.  The next-to-latest DI "blog" posting claims that Guillermo Gonzales invented the concept of the Galactic Habitable Zone, as part of their ongoing "he wuz teh ekspelldz.  He can haz tenur?" campaign. As far as I know, he's just a proponent, and maybe introduced the term, as best I can tell, right? This 2006 Paper On the “Galactic Habitable Zone” by Nikos Prantzos (.pdf) has these references:       Quote 9. Gonzalez, G. (1997), MNRAS, 285:403-412 10. Gonzalez, G. (2005), Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres, 35:555-606 11. Gonzalez, G., Brownlee, D., Ward, P. (2001), Icarus, 152: 185-200 That should get you started looking... Dr. Phil Plait of BadAstronomy has a weekly live video chat and I JanieBelle asked what he thought of Gonzalez' "Galactic Habitable Zone" and Prantzos' 2006 challenge of it.  (I had previously emailed him links to the papers in question.) "Destroyed" is his word of choice. He also was very explicit that he sees no problem at all with denying tenure to Gonzalez based solely on his creationism. Rough quote to the best of my memory:   Quote (Dr. Phil Plait @ about an hour ago) If you think the universe is 6000 years old, you shouldn't be teaching science. Amen. So let's review the Iowa State tenure decision: Creationist. No appreciable funding in the form of grants. Little in the way of publications. No grads. and now Sole claim to scientific "fame" debunked within a very few years. Any questions? Edited for a format issue. 1. GG is not YEC. 2. The totality of GG's research output makes creepy Avalos' look absolutely anemic by comparison, yet he received tenure. 3. Dawkins' last research output is dated to the Thatcher administration, yet I've not seen calls for his ouster from Oxford. 4. Phil Plait is a jackass. Any questions?

Date: 2008/05/05 15:01:14, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 05 2008,14:58) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 05 2008,15:53) Any questions? Yes. Do you have anything useful to add to any discussion whatsoever? I just did. As someone currently in academia, I just bitch-slapped your half-assed assertions back to the unlit corner where they belong. By the way, will someone kindly forward my post to Lauri Lebo in the sticks?

Date: 2008/05/05 15:10:23, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 05 2008,15:01) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 05 2008,14:53) 1. GG is not YEC. 2. The totality of GG's research output makes creepy Avalos' look absolutely anemic by comparison, yet he received tenure. 3. Dawkins' last research output is dated to the Thatcher administration, yet I've not seen calls for his ouster from Oxford. 4. Phil Plait is a jackass. Any questions? 1. Wrong comes in many flavours 2. What about his funding? 3. Because his role isn't research, it's helping the public understand science? 4. Ah, hybridization. More proof of common descent! 1. No doubt! 2. That, apparently, was a legitimate issue. 3. Sounds like they created the post especially for a dried-up Dawkins. 4. Thou sayest!

Date: 2008/05/05 15:15:26, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 05 2008,15:07) If he doesn't, he'll wind up another Berlinksi, and the world has too many of those as is. I could never relocate to Paris, though.

Date: 2008/05/05 15:28:10, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 05 2008,15:18) Maybe RO'B's grudge against Avalos is because in 1998 Avalos saw through the fraud of the Bible Code, while Dembski approved of the Bible Code and linked it to ID. You are being facetious, right? I think the "Bible code" is horseshit.

Date: 2008/05/05 15:43:46, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ May 05 2008,15:01) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 05 2008,14:53) 1. GG is not YEC. 2. The totality of GG's research output makes creepy Avalos' look absolutely anemic by comparison, yet he received tenure. 3. Dawkins' last research output is dated to the Thatcher administration, yet I've not seen calls for his ouster from Oxford. 4. Phil Plait is a jackass. Any questions? Just a few. What apples v. oranges comparison would be useful for comparing research output of a scholar in a department of Religion with a scholar in a department of Physics? Do you think that grants are needed to assure a positive tenure decision in a Religion department? Where would those grants come from? What part of "tenure decision" don't you understand? The part where you don't have tenure until you prove yourself in a few years of effort (the case of Gonzalez), or the part where you have proven yourself and are quite a few years past that decision (in the case of Dawkins)? Are you really as stupid as you seem to be? It's more like apples and pears, not apples and oranges. They are distinct, to be certain, but both are pomes and share many characteristics. I am well versed in Biblical scholarship and I think Avalos' work is mediocre. His claim to "fame," other than displaying an unhealthy fixation with GG, is ancient sanitation and chicano religion. That's right, folks, if you want to know which hand the ancients used to wipe their asses or how some Mexicans think there is a portal to Hell that opens on El Día de los Muertos then Avalos is your go to guy. And, of course, there is still the issue of dried-up Dawkins.

Date: 2008/05/05 15:45:13, Link 24.30.147.224

Author: Robert O'Brien

Quote (stevestory @ May 05 2008,15:36) Quote (Robert O'Brien @ May 05 2008,16:28) Quote (stevestory @ May 05 2008,15:18) Maybe RO'B's grudge against Avalos is because in 1998 Avalos saw through the fraud of the Bible Code, while Dembski approved of the Bible Code and linked it to ID. You are being facetious, right? I think the "Bible code" is horseshit. Your boy Dembksi didn't. I dropped Bill awhile ago. He is like the Jeremiah Wright of ID.