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Date: 2008/07/13 21:08:14, Link
Author: QED
The fallout at present is PZ's posting of two of the more  serious threats against him via emails, complete with headers. One of the respondents was foolish enough to post from his/her workplace. Although it looks to me like someone left their computer account open before leaving for vacation and was set up, that someone is in for one nasty Monday morning when they return.

Date: 2008/07/14 00:16:43, Link
Author: QED
Quote (Texas Teach @ July 13 2008,23:15)
 
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The fallout at present is PZ's posting of two of the more  serious threats against him via emails, complete with headers. One of the respondents was foolish enough to post from his/her workplace. Although it looks to me like someone left their computer account open before leaving for vacation and was set up, that someone is in for one nasty Monday morning when they return.

I love that it came from 1800flowers.

Makes you wonder what the "Burn in Hell, Atheist Scum" Bouquet runs for.  (And whether next day shipping is extra.)


"For more than 30 years, our passion has been to help you connect and express yourself to the important people in your life..."


There's a "PZ Special" this week for a dozen Rosa anthraxis.

Date: 2008/10/07 00:04:09, Link
Author: QED
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 06 2008,23:35)
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Internet Quiz:

Heddle & Ftk : After the Bar Closes :: Heddle & mroberts : __

AFDave and Casey Luskin?

Louis

No. Thanks for playing. Next contestant.

Hmmm...I know this one...it's:

"a place in Hell reserved for women who don't help other women"

No, that's not it.........must be.....

UD

Date: 2011/06/07 18:56:34, Link
Author: QED
Dawkins could buy it. Imagine the wailing - an athiest owner, born in Kenya, and no US birf certificate...

Date: 2012/05/06 17:34:18, Link
Author: QED
I usually just lurk here, but photography's been a hobby for 35 years and I know a bit about the technical side.

Focus is always more difficult at the extremes of a long zoom because the depth of field decreases as the focal length increases (with equal apertures). Also, unless it's a "parfocal" lens, the zoom will probably require refocusing when the focal length is changed.

Some cameras do indeed allow for focus micro-adjustments. I've been playing with my new 5Dii, and have been surprised that both my Canon lenses (24-70L f/2.8 & 50 f/1.8) have required adjustment - one back-focuses and one front-focuses slightly. Normally this isn't a big deal, but when you're working with larger apertures and long lenses, it can matter. Some photographers find in time they can adjust the focus slightly in manual mode to compensate, if the body doesn't have micro-adjust. For those fortunate enough to own a 60D or 5D, there is new software called Focal that will calibrate lenses automatically while the camera is tethered to the computer by a USB cable. I'm not shilling for the developer, but he has been very cooperative during the beta trial versions.

Setting the aperture to 16 or higher will certainly give greater depth of field, but be aware that most lenses have a resolution sweet-spot between F/4 and f/11. Bumping the ISO is sometimes a better option, then deal with the increased noise in Lightroom or Photoshop.

As Lou mentions, practice makes the biggest difference in the final result. Knowing your camera and lenses well, using them until they become second nature as you work, and also the post-processing is key, after your artistic sense, of course.

Sorry to butt in - just wanted to add a few hints from an old-timer...

Date: 2012/07/09 11:57:57, Link
Author: QED
Poster boys for Dunning-Kruger syndrome...

Date: 2012/09/22 17:35:31, Link
Author: QED
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 17 2012,19:48)
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Get yer finest Joe here!
             
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Jerad: Take for example the presence of hind legs in some species of whales.

Joe: Nope, no hind legs in any species of whales. Most likely remnants of hind flippers.

Jerad: So why are there still vestiges of hind flippers then?

Joe: Because there are.
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Jerad: Are you saying that when humans starting eating citrus fruits, etc that we lost the ability to synthesise vitamin C?

Joe: Nope. What I say is the non-functional VC gene is for the future when we cannot get VC epigenetically.

Evidently, in Joeworld, epigenetics is everything outside the genome, and includes eating :p (thesis supported upthread: "Because we can incorporate vitamin C into our diet- epigenetics.")

And we keep a broken gene that may one day become magically fixed because it would be impossible for the Designer Of Whales to just give us the fucking gene when we need it!

Nice spew of ignorance there dopey sam:

epigenetics and the environment

[quoteEPIGENETICS & THE ENVIRONMENT

The genome dynamically responds to the environment. Stress, diet, behavior, toxins and other factors activate chemical switches that regulate gene expression.

sigh

turning on a genetic switch does not equal eating food to get a vital nutrient that we (and other members of suborder haplorrhini like chimpanzees, gorillas, etc) can't manufacture anymore... like almost every other mammal on the planet.

Here's a hint Joe... no amount of environmental influence will EVER be able to turn on the gene to generate vitamin C in haplorrhinis.  It don't work.  It's dead.  It's not sleeping, it's not inactive, it's not quiescent. It's broke.[/quote]
..it's passed on! This gene is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late gene! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! ... Its metabolical processes are of interest only to historians! It's hopped the twig! It's shuffled off this mortal coil! It's run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible! This.... is an EX-GENE!

Date: 2012/09/22 17:41:30, Link
Author: QED
Damn...botched the quote thingy...

Date: 2012/09/22 19:35:52, Link
Author: QED
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 22 2012,18:21)
 
Quote (QED @ Sep. 22 2012,23:41)
Damn...botched the quote thingy...

Still, beautiful plumage.

OTOH, it might wake up - Norwegian Blue-genes stun easily...

Date: 2012/10/31 19:22:50, Link
Author: QED
Channeling John Nash's darker hours to prove jesus - now I've seen it all...

Date: 2012/12/01 17:21:01, Link
Author: QED

Date: 2012/12/06 21:40:31, Link
Author: QED
I have to chime in that this thread has given me hours of hysterical enjoyment - another aging idealogue, one hand on the random word generator, the other sweaty fist clasping his bible, desperately trying to avoid the G-word, drowning in his own pretzel-logic as he dances gleefully with his hair on fire. Christmas came early this year - I don't need another thing (well, maybe that big white 70-200 2.8 L).

Date: 2013/03/19 17:48:04, Link
Author: QED
Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 19 2013,17:33)
And what technology would that be? Cheap fusion power, maybe? A crimson force field?


"I am smart. I find things."

Date: 2013/03/30 15:04:00, Link
Author: QED
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:26)

If ridiculing cranks is what this forum is for then I have to try fitting in somehow right? It’s like they say “When in Rome do as the Romans do.” And hero-worshipers who wave their noses in the air like they are above all others in knowledge just because they have unquestionable faith in the well phrased words of Charles Darwin seemed fit to me, for feeding to their own lions.

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:26)

If ridiculing cranks is what this forum is for then I have to try fitting in somehow right? It’s like they say “When in Rome do as the Romans do.” And hero-worshipers who wave their noses in the air like they are above all others in knowledge just because they have unquestionable faith in the well phrased words of Charles Darwin seemed fit to me, for feeding to their own lions.


You and the Teabaggers, huh? So proud of your agenda to make "intellectual" a dirty word. So committed to bring everyone's integrity and knowledge down to your amateurish level.

Many of us have worked very hard to study and understand actual science. We've have made a career of science for many years; some even teach it. And what have you done? What have you accomplished?

You dare accuse those with advanced knowledge and experience of "waving their noses in the air"? Someone like you who doesn't even understand what science is, or its basic methodology? From what pinnacle of authority do do preach?

You preach from who knows what ingrained authoritarian superstitious beliefs, with such arrogance and ignorance that you've lost the ability to reason. You rage against reality with a cognitive dissonance that infects you like a disease.

So why won't you study the science you claim is ruining your life? Because you've built your house on sand, and as the sand washes out from under you, you blame the wind, the sea, and the sand, not your rigid idealogy that ill-prepares you in the first place. But most of all, you won't understand because you're arrogant and lazy. Too arrogant to respect established scientific methodology, and too damn lazy to study it.

It's like penis envy. And it's pathetic.

Date: 2013/03/30 15:08:49, Link
Author: QED
...sorry for the goddamned double quote...

Date: 2013/03/30 18:29:35, Link
Author: QED
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 30 2013,17:16)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:26)

I'm glad I don't have to write a sermon every time someone suggests there is more to science than just that alone. If I was like you then in response I would have to go into equal dramatics about how tirelessly cognitive scientists have toiled to explain how intelligence works, yet you neglect them all, never write sermons like that on their account, meanie.

This issue is about worshiping a theory you elevated to religious ideology, and becoming hostile when your religion is threatened by another scientific theory that shows up weaknesses in your scientific conclusions. I'm glad to have more of a penis than that.

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 30 2013,10:26)

I'm glad I don't have to write a sermon every time someone suggests there is more to science than just that alone. If I was like you then in response I would have to go into equal dramatics about how tirelessly cognitive scientists have toiled to explain how intelligence works, yet you neglect them all, never write sermons like that on their account, meanie.

This issue is about worshiping a theory you elevated to religious ideology, and becoming hostile when your religion is threatened by another scientific theory that shows up weaknesses in your scientific conclusions. I'm glad to have more of a penis than that.


English, motherfucker - do you speak it?

Date: 2013/04/10 21:39:45, Link
Author: QED
Very sad news about Iain Banks. I was late to the party, but have become an avid fan. His latest novel, The Quarry, will be his last. Details at www.iain-banks.net.

Date: 2014/05/17 21:50:05, Link
Author: QED
So, life is a cartoon? Really? No one is this stupid unless they choose to be. Gary, please, be merciful. Jump ahead to the part where you start posting Bible passages. You know it'll happen sooner or later. Just get it over with, I'm begging you...

Date: 2014/05/17 22:22:16, Link
Author: QED
C'mon cartoonboy. Moar Bible quotes...

Date: 2014/05/17 22:50:19, Link
Author: QED
That's more like it. Now, something from Revelations. That's a good'un. You must have all of it memorized.

Date: 2014/05/17 23:13:41, Link
Author: QED
No points for that, cartoonboy. "Revolution" ain't in the big scary book.

Now, next, take care with this one. It's my favorite. For 10 points, give us - Song of Solomon!

Date: 2014/05/17 23:38:33, Link
Author: QED
Oooohhh! Sorry cartoonboy. Not even close to the juicy bits your mommy will let you read when you're old enough.

You failed the Bible.

But we know you'll be glad to take home our consolation prize - a brand new edition of the FCC Rules and Regulations for the Amateur Radio Service. Thanks for playing!

Date: 2014/05/18 00:04:50, Link
Author: QED
Well, of course. Pardon my lapse of memory that the Quran has become the most recent and respected scientific resource to date. How about a bonus question for the win? Since you didn't do so well with things Biblical, we'll make it a bit easier for you. Ready?

Now this is something the leprechauns asked me when I was a sprout in Indiana.

Why does the porridge bird lay his egg in the air?

Date: 2014/05/18 00:47:58, Link
Author: QED
Well, I know you're not likely to accept (or understand) any scientific explanation, so I'll provide something you can sink your teeth into.

Dawkins is an evil atheist Kenyan. Although he has worked as an evolutionary biologist with an advanced degree for 50 years and has written a dozen books on the subject, compared to you, an uneducated, raving fundamentalist loony, he has absolutely no credibility in the scientific community. Obviously, Dawkins and "his followers" are deceived by the devil, and you and your "followers" (all 5 of them) have been granted special supernatural powers that allow you divine knowledge about the history of everything. Standing firmly on the ground that if you can't understand, it must be Jesus, you are infallible. Satisfied?

Date: 2015/01/13 14:40:25, Link
Author: QED
Has anyone participated in National Geographic's Genographic project? From cheep swabs it offers genetic testing for both mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA (for males), and results for deep history geographic roots, and Neanderthat/Denisovan ancestry. The kit was a Christmas present from my wife. Just curious about opinions or experience here...

Date: 2015/01/14 20:10:03, Link
Author: QED
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 14 2015,15:52)
Quote (QED @ Jan. 13 2015,14:40)
Has anyone participated in National Geographic's Genographic project? From cheep swabs it offers genetic testing for both mitochondrial and Y chromosome DNA (for males), and results for deep history geographic roots, and Neanderthat/Denisovan ancestry. The kit was a Christmas present from my wife. Just curious about opinions or experience here...

Here's a little bit more about the kit.

Do it! I am thinking of doing it, especially since deep ancestry and Neanderthal roots was the subject of one of the talks of my DNA Day program at the library, and now that I am writing about genetic genealogy. That kit is not cheap! Nice gift!

I also recommend watching Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey. It's available for streaming on Netflix too if YouTube gets taken down.

edit: ("cheek" swabs - not "cheep" swabs)

Thanks, Kristine. The kit's on sale, so I got my wife one too. Not sure how much detail they include, but contributing to their DNA data pool is also satisfying. Too bad the gals don't get their paternal background.

I'll be sure to look for the video on Netflix.

Date: 2015/01/16 19:30:21, Link
Author: QED
In that case, I'm guessing it's not a Gaulin clone at all.

I'm betting on the pidgeon/chess gambit: "wah wah wah - you're being mean to me, so jesus doesn't love you and besides you're wrong - I'm outta here..."

Date: 2015/01/18 21:25:50, Link
Author: QED
Told ya'...fly pigeon, fly!

Date: 2015/01/19 09:35:57, Link
Author: QED
"plus a sprinkling of magic selection (which is the secret ingredient that we should never really define properly lest it became understandably deficient) will eventually mutate a Banana into Barack Obama."

Yep- it was inevitable - your "fight" isn't about science at all - it's a socio-political one, crypto. But thanks for letting everyone know.

Next up - why ID should be taught in schools, in
3...2...1...

Date: 2015/01/19 10:00:51, Link
Author: QED
I'm not fighting with you, crypto. I'm just making observations that you're not producing any "new information". But have at it. I can wait.

Date: 2015/09/04 21:58:09, Link
Author: QED
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sean samisSeptember 4, 2015 at 3:07 pm
I think this debate between kairosfocus and myself is coming to its effective end. Our arguments are beginning to become repetitious; I’ve seen all KF has, and all I can do is remind him of why he is wrong. I’m sure KF feels exactly the same way about me and mine.

Now kairosfocus is so frustrated at his inability to change my mind that KF’s beginning to insinuate that I must be evil. That is a sign that this needs to end.

Wide-spread belief in kairosfocus’s “world-root-level” grounding of morality does absolutely no good for preventing evil.

It did not stop the thousands of Germans who committed the Holocaust, or the thousands of Polish, Russian, French, Dutch etc. collaborators who were accomplices in that crime.

It did not stop 19th century pogroms in Imperial Russia. It didn’t stop the African Slave Trade or Southern lynchings or Jim Crow laws. It didn’t stop the Wars of Religion in Europe, nor mass-murder of Jews in medieval Germany, nor witch burnings, heretic burnings, and on and on and on.

It doesn’t stop Christians from getting abortions today, a problem so great that some churches and denominations struggle to find ways to minister to members who’ve gotten abortions.

It doesn’t stop conservative politicians who take money away from programs intended to serve poor children and mothers so they can lower taxes for the wealthy. Strangly; “godless” Europeans have fewer abortions than we Religious Americans do. And they take better care of their children too. Are those related facts? Probably.

In any event, belief in kairosfocus’s “world-root-level” grounding of morality does absolutely no good for preventing any of these evils. Is the solution to the crisis of abortion to proclaim “Ontology!”? Will that change hearts and minds?

Would my alternative, a moral system based on the mandate of the Golden Rule and founded on Reason and Facts of Nature do better? I think so because it does not try to leverage beliefs in deities. Deities have been and are used to justify all manner of horror because “God said so, and God’s ways are mysterious.” All those horrors I mentioned above were supported by religious leaders in the name of their God.

And now we have Godly believers who won’t take their children to doctors, who throw acid at little children, who destroy antiquities, who induce children to become sex-slaves and child-soldiers and suicide bombers, who go to the funerals of fallen soldiers and cheer the weapons that killed them.

Think of all the conflict zones in the world; how many are driven by religious disagreements? Most are. I cannot think of a war in all of history where religious leaders on either side (much less BOTH sides!) were like: “Hold on there! This is wrong!” Mark Twain’s War Prayer got it right.

My morality replaces God with Reason and Facts. Oh for sure people can and will dispute Reason and Facts (just like they do theistic ideas) but because reason and facts are accessible to all, there is no claiming that “Reason’s ways are mysterious”; reasons ways are reasonable by definition. Facts are facts.

My alternative is not perfect, but that’s not the standard we need meet. We just need better. And boy! Do we need better!

Kairosfocus is part of the team that runs UD (or so it appears) so I will give him the last word on this thread.

Thank you all for your kind attention.

sean s.


linky

My Methodist training taught me that Reason and Facts come from God, which is to be visualized as a 24/7 Creator that is somehow everywhere and in everything (i.e. living things). We have free-will to choose for ourselves with brains designed for reasoning with facts. Much has to do with what gives us purpose that lives on in future generations, or not, which in the theory is described in scientific detail that gets into the salmon and alligators.

Logically speaking: "Reason and Facts" morality cannot replace "God". Only waste time while getting yourselves upset by trying to convince the UD crew otherwise. They might have a religion filled way of explaining things, but at least they have the true/false level of detail 100% right.

Hooray!!! Moar bible verses!!!11!!!11!!!!11!!!11.....!!

Date: 2015/10/02 16:39:12, Link
Author: QED
MrIntelligentDesign, I have a few questions...

1) This has been your answer to those who question your ideas:

"You don't really know the nature and meaning of "intelligence". If you think my science is wrong, just make an experiment showing that I am wrong and publish it anywhere and let us compare. I DEMAND AN EXPERIMENT if you think that I am incorrect in science. If you are scientifically correct, I will delete all my science books. If not, then, you are only spamming my science book."

Do you really not understand what science is or how it works? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The onus is on you to provide experiments that demonstrate your ideas. Can I DEMAND an experiment from you showing you are right, please? Get it through established scientific peer-review and published in a respected journal? Not a "thought" experiment. An actual material-based hypothesis, experiment, and rational conclusion that supports your ideas?

2) Think back to a time when you became convinced that ToE was incorrect. What was the motivation, the moment of enlightenment, the epiphany that steered you so confidently on your alternate path?

3) Could we have moar bible verses, please?

Date: 2015/10/03 00:42:04, Link
Author: QED
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 02 2015,19:54)
Quote (QED @ Oct. 02 2015,16:39)
MrIntelligentDesign, I have a few questions...

1) This has been your answer to those who question your ideas:

"You don't really know the nature and meaning of "intelligence". If you think my science is wrong, just make an experiment showing that I am wrong and publish it anywhere and let us compare. I DEMAND AN EXPERIMENT if you think that I am incorrect in science. If you are scientifically correct, I will delete all my science books. If not, then, you are only spamming my science book."

Do you really not understand what science is or how it works? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The onus is on you to provide experiments that demonstrate your ideas. Can I DEMAND an experiment from you showing you are right, please? Get it through established scientific peer-review and published in a respected journal? Not a "thought" experiment. An actual material-based hypothesis, experiment, and rational conclusion that supports your ideas?

2) Think back to a time when you became convinced that ToE was incorrect. What was the motivation, the moment of enlightenment, the epiphany that steered you so confidently on your alternate path?

3) Could we have moar bible verses, please?

Thank you for your post.

1. I only challenged any person if that person concluded that I am wrong without knowing my new discoveries especially the new and real intelligence. This thread is for all of you to know the real intelligence and I am not expecting that you will accept my new discoveries no matter how hard I try give you evidences.

Maybe the newt two future generations will listen to me but our generation? No, impossible. Just think about Galileo. Thus, don't concluded that I am wrong. Just say I don't know and I am here to help.

2. When I discovered the real intelligence, I was convinced that ToE was totally wrong. My degree in engineering cannot support ToE unless I become insane.

3. LOL!

1. Well, I think you're "incorrect in science" (assuming what you're blithering on about is science), and I DEMAND empirical experiments to provide evidence of what you claim. Pompous hand-waving is not an answer to my question. If you don't expect anyone to accept your "new discoveries" here, are you here simply to shill your books, or to massage your already grandiose ego?

2. So, a civil engineering degree taught you ToE was totally wrong. Does a civil engineering degree in Manila also make one an expert in cell biology, biochemistry, geology, and paleontology? How exactly did a degree completely unrelated to the biological sciences show you ToE is wrong? If you think your education actually did threaten to make you insane, just maybe that "insanity" that frightens you is from trying to juggle material notions with those more supernatural. Come on, even the Pope accepts ToE.

Date: 2015/10/03 16:44:09, Link
Author: QED
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 03 2015,01:49]
Quote (QED @ Oct. 03 2015,00:42)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 02 2015,19:54)

1. Well, I think you're "incorrect in science" (assuming what you're blithering on about is science), and I DEMAND empirical experiments to provide evidence of what you claim. Pompous hand-waving is not an answer to my question. If you don't expect anyone to accept your "new discoveries" here, are you here simply to shill your books, or to massage your already grandiose ego?

2. So, a civil engineering degree taught you ToE was totally wrong. Does a civil engineering degree in Manila also make one an expert in cell biology, biochemistry, geology, and paleontology? How exactly did a degree completely unrelated to the biological sciences show you ToE is wrong? If you think your education actually did threaten to make you insane, just maybe that "insanity" that frightens you is from trying to juggle material notions with those more supernatural. Come on, even the Pope accepts ToE.

1. I have been giving you empirical evidences on how nature and reality works and how I derived intelligence. I even had given you this obvious empirical evidence: eat when you are hungry. That is I think the most obvious empirical evidence on how we categorize intellen to naturen. But you did not even get it.

I don't hand-wave since we cannot compute or calculate anything in science if we do that.

I expect that people will not accept me. Ogh my goodenss, It will take time since most of my critics don't really do science but religious act. I wrote them in science books as documentary for me so that I could not forget especially when I attempted for Peer-Review. I wrote so that those info will be available for public. They could take them or leave them. But to leave is fatal to them since they will die without knowing the real intelligence.

2. When you know how to build a structure, you can see how any structure will behave. In engineering, we know how any structures behave, how to design them, how to calculate structurally, how to demolish them, how to repair them and how to replace them. And since biological structures are not dissimilar to our human structural structures, then, a real engineer could easily know how  biological structures will behave in a certain conditions.

But one thing that separate me from all other engineering degree holders around the world is that I discovered the real intelligence. This nailed everything since intelligence is being used to make X or to let X to exist. Thus, my discoveries comprise almost all parts of our lives, even science, even religion and even business or sports. name it and those is part of intelligence in the topic of origin and cause & effect. ...they all agree with intelligence.

Thus, I wrote many science books.

Cell biology, biochemistry, geology, and paleontology? If you don't use the real intelligence, you cannot explain why cell, for example, must have RNA and DNA...but if we used intelligence, you will see that both RNA and DNA are needed..

There are so much to discuss but if you are really willing to learn more, you can just read my science books and see how nature/reality behaves and open your eyes..

Let me be the first in your world to tell you, biological entities are dissimilar to buildings and bridges, so different that if you can't see that, you're willfully delusional. An engineer, by mean of his training, does not know how biological systems will behave. So easily equating a bridge to a complex biological system is ignorant, arrogant, and insulting to those who have spent their life's work studying living systems. And enough of the crap that we need to live in your fantasy world to know anything, to use "real intelligence".

Why can't you just admit your real motivation?

WHO is the grand designer of all living things?

Date: 2015/10/04 00:00:08, Link
Author: QED
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 03 2015,21:07]  
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Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 03 2015,01:49)
 
Let me be the first in your world to tell you, biological entities are dissimilar to buildings and bridges, so different that if you can't see that, you're willfully delusional. An engineer, by mean of his training, does not know how biological systems will behave. So easily equating a bridge to a complex biological system is ignorant, arrogant, and insulting to those who have spent their life's work studying living systems. And enough of the crap that we need to live in your fantasy world to know anything, to use "real intelligence".

Why can't you just admit your real motivation?

WHO is the grand designer of all living things?

They are all the same structures since they must cope with forces of nature but stay alive/functional...thus, the process of making them and designing those biological structures are part of engineering.

I don't care if you cannot accept that but I cannot allow ToE to be used in engineering. ToE kills. Engineering gives life.


WHO is the grand designer of all living things? The Intelligent Agent.

Nonliving structures do not behave the same way living structures do. Living structures move, replicate, consume and expend energy, and respond to their environment. You may see the structures themselves as things that are assembled according to what your limited education has taught you, but the act of assembling, who assembles them, and how they behave - the difference between life and nonlife - is not similar at all.

You cannot allow ToE to be used in engineering? Who does that? Look, your education taught you to slap steel, brick, and mortar together to try to build things that hopefully won't collapse and kill people. But sometimes those things do. So, the act of (poor) engineering kills people. ToE is a scientific theory, an explanation of a material biological phenomenon using the most reliable evidence available. It doesn't kill. It doesn't do anything. It attempts to describe what's being done. Are you really this dense, or just making things up as you go?

Please answer the question honestly. Who is the Intelligent Agent? God? Aliens? You?

Date: 2015/10/04 09:48:16, Link
Author: QED
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 04 2015,02:08]
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Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 03 2015,21:07)
 
Nonliving structures do not behave the same way living structures do. Living structures move, replicate, consume and expend energy, and respond to their environment. You may see the structures themselves as things that are assembled according to what your limited education has taught you, but the act of assembling, who assembles them, and how they behave - the difference between life and nonlife - is not similar at all.

You cannot allow ToE to be used in engineering? Who does that? Look, your education taught you to slap steel, brick, and mortar together to try to build things that hopefully won't collapse and kill people. But sometimes those things do. So, the act of (poor) engineering kills people. ToE is a scientific theory, an explanation of a material biological phenomenon using the most reliable evidence available. It doesn't kill. It doesn't do anything. It attempts to describe what's being done. Are you really this dense, or just making things up as you go?

Please answer the question honestly. Who is the Intelligent Agent? God? Aliens? You?

Remember that in the whole natural realm, no X has ever been found assembling by itself without any intelligence especially when life, survival, success and existence is in consideration.

Thus, your conclusion that "Living structures move, replicate, consume and expend energy, and respond to their environment. You may see the structures themselves as things that are assembled according to what your limited education has taught you, but the act of assembling, who assembles them, and how they behave - the difference between life and nonlife - is not similar at all." is a religious belief and not even close to science nor reality.

SHOW me one experiment that it is so...

Remember that biological living organisms has goal to protect life and survival, thus, all living organisms don't use evolution but Biological Interrelation, BiTs since BiTs used intelligence whereas ToE uses non-intelligence (dumb/stupidity/insanity). Engineers don't use dumb/stupidity/insanity when designing X, that is for sure UNLESS the engineer is dumb/stupid/insane.

Intelligence is always for life and survival...thus, you are in complete error of reality..

The IA is I don't know but intelligence pinpointedly predicts that this IA must have at least a dual opposite nature...Who will be that Candidate? Choose your pick..

Thank you. At least I have my answer now. Calling a scientific principle "religion" is the commonly seen projection used by religious obsessives. Doing this is blatantly revealing - I'm surprised a genius like yourself put your foot in your mouth after just a few questions. It also shows, once again, as all ID hucksters always do, that religiosity is a form of mental illness. What a sad little man.

Date: 2015/10/04 15:50:50, Link
Author: QED
Quote (OgreMkV @ Oct. 04 2015,15:36)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 04 2015,15:31)
Has it gotten this bad? Gaulin, Postrado, Gordon, BatShit77...have we gotten to the point where the typical IDiot is obviously mentally ill?

It's like the GOP. One has to be more crazy than the next guy to be listened to in those circles.

No one even talks about Dembski and rarely about Behe anymore. And they are the sanest of the lot.

Think about that one...

Yup - it's a race to the bottom in both camps.

Date: 2015/10/13 10:15:51, Link
Author: QED
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 13 2015,09:12)
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 13 2015,08:28)
"They laughed at Fulton!"
"They laughed at Edison!"

But 'they' also laughed at Bozo the Clown.  And Edgar Postrado, and Gary Gaulin, and TimeCube Guy, and Michael Behe, and Sal Cordova, and Joe G, and the rest of the Idiots.

But I have always the last victory laugh since I discovered the real intelligence. If someone in this 7 billions people on earth would like to discover the real intelligence, they will end agreeing with me! That is the reason why I published my science books fast and quick so that when that "discoverer" will claim that he/she discovered the real intelligence, I will show to him/her the date of my publication and my YouTube videos. I've already discovered it!

I HAVE SCIENCE and I'M RIGHT! THAT IS FOR SURE!

OK - time to confess. You're really Ben Carson, aren't you?

Date: 2015/11/06 16:07:28, Link
Author: QED
http://arstechnica.com/science....eukemia

Date: 2015/12/02 20:47:38, Link
Author: QED
penis education-envy

Date: 2016/05/18 23:35:11, Link
Author: QED
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 18 2016,21:07)
And for those who are unfamiliar with the university level cycle: what will happen next is there will be panic that results in a billion or so dollar "investment in education" that results in the creation of even more multi-million dollar "evolution" websites, million+ dollar wax Charles Darwin exhibits showing him sitting while writing his theory, Evolutionary Algorithms that make what looks like multicolor poop, academic spokespeople traveling around the country giving talks while pitching their books, while I (and others who are more reasonable) have to be bashed into oblivion because everything is supposed to be my responsibility and all the scientists in the world are too busy with "real science" to get involved in a not-a-theory and all the rest of the excuses for what amounts to academic snobbery.

Norman Bates on a psychotic break. Jesus man, I almost feel sorry for you. You can't even see how batshit crazy you sound. "Mother? Mother?"

 

 

 

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