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Date: 2011/11/03 19:54:20, Link
Author: NormOlsen
I think Denyse was looking for any excuse to ban Dr. Bot as he was scoring some major points against the resident blow-hard KF.  I wonder how long Elizabeth Liddle will last?

Denyse also deleted a comment of mine (with no explanation); I was simply remarking how comical it was that she use "we" to refer to herself in her "news" posts.  Somewhat Gollumesque.

Date: 2011/11/03 22:50:54, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Fossfur, we hardly knew ye!
Looks like the progrom is on.  Denyse is cleaning house.   I predict Dr. Rec is the next to go.

Date: 2011/11/12 20:36:28, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Says Gil about Larry Moran:
Quote
He’s a disturbed individual. (That’s not a personal attack, just an empirical observation, and I hope he gets over it somehow.)


It is a personal attack, it is not an empirical observation, and I'm willing to bet Larry Moran doesn't give a shit about what Gil thinks.

Date: 2011/11/17 18:58:19, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Learned Hand @ Nov. 17 2011,17:06)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Nov. 17 2011,16:11)
And they dare to use the phrase "just so stories".
...
Yes, KF, the matter rests there. Now what?

The ball is in your court.

ONLOOKERS.  Regrettably, the poor conduct of the atheistic and materialistic hyperskepticalists has now progressed beyond all bounds of civilized behavior.  

1.  Observe, please, the reference to the "ball" being in KF's "court."  Wikipedia, always a reliable reference, informs us that the root form of the word "ball" "may have been a cognate with the Latin foll-is in the sense of a 'thing blown up or inflated.'"  It is therefore apparently that OMITSDDI is calling KF inflated, as in full of hot air, as in by implication and reverse nonimplication a liar.  

2.  Moreover, the wikipedia page for "court" refers to "inquisitorial systems," clearly making OMITSDDI's comment an accusation that KF is an inquisitor, in other words a torturer, which is base slander, as torture is an atheistic and materialistic practice.

3.  Such vicious, uncivilized, brutal attacks on KF's righteous person are in no way justified by the simple fact that he has not told the truth, about which atheists can not complain in any event, being unprincipled dog-botherers and child molesters who love nothing more than making unwarranted personal insults.

4.  As with eigenstate, these vicious, unwarranted (and indeed, prohibited by the lack of materialist warrant) attacks on KF's integrity are utterly transparent.  Onlookers need only google a word or phrase used in these hyperskepticalists' sub rosa attacks, select an offensive word or phrase from one of the resulting results, and observe the ad hominem strawman that results once that word or phrase is substituted into the original comment.  

5.  This will no longer stand.  I urge you, please, look at your conduct and see what grievous harm you are doing to all concepts of truth and dignity, before you provoke a just and righteous bloodstorm of retribution.  

6.  BYDAND.

6(a).  I MEAN IT.  BYDAND.

--Learned Focus

(P.S.  Seriously.  BYDAND.)

That was simply fucking awesome.

Date: 2012/02/22 14:04:53, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (eigenstate @ Feb. 22 2012,12:53)
Just stopping in to note that Lizzie's blog has now sucked what little oxygen there was out of the room at UD.  Not even boring anymore, just read the names of commenters in the "recent comments" list.

There's lots of screwy stuff at TSZ now, too, but that goes with the territory, and anything interesting and thoughtful, pitched on both sides, has moved over there.  

Barry's litmus test is already, just in a week or so, starting to reap what it sowed. Couldn't happen to nicer guy or a better blog.


Yep, and even today, days after her ban and with a hint of desperation, Barry writes:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/philosophy/q-is-logic-simply-a-matter-of-axioms-at-play-in-an-abstract-logical-world-unconnected-to-e

xternal-reality-a-nope/#comment-421138]Liddle is a fool. She will no longer be spewing her folly on this site.[/URL]

You can tell how much he misses her.

Date: 2012/02/24 10:48:39, Link
Author: NormOlsen
KF argues:

 
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Such spaces, however, are 1 in 10^100 of the scope at the 500 bit solar system threshold identified. The scope of the observed cosmos level threshold of 1000 bits is 10^150 beyond that threshold.


But of course, how stupid of me not to have thought of that!

Date: 2012/02/24 17:14:09, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 24 2012,15:32)
I'm registered and still can't edit. I get an edit button, but it just grays the whole page.

Ya, the edit button is not working, neither is the full screen entry function, which was working a few days ago.  Both just produce a grey screen.

Date: 2012/02/26 11:39:06, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 26 2012,08:20)
And because she doesn't understand the only interpretation she can put on it is that the criticism levelled against ID arguments must therefore be politically or ideologically motivated.


It's worse than that.  She is so ideologically entrenched that she can't even entertain the notion that others might not be similarly motivated.  For her it's ideology all the way down.

Date: 2012/02/26 20:21:18, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Febble @ Feb. 26 2012,19:43)
There was a backup up till Saturday, and it should be back online (minus posts since then) in a few hours.

I'll be sorry to have lost all those interesting comments to my Conching posts, but I've got the original backed up, and Gregory probably has his.

Life will go on....


No worries, we'll be back! :)

Date: 2012/03/04 11:41:41, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (George @ May 09 2007,15:11)
... one from a gobshite who enjoys being arrogant and contrary.

Berlinski?  Or maybe "Lord" Moncton?  Both fit that description perfectly.

Date: 2012/03/08 10:11:43, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Robin @ Mar. 08 2012,08:32)
Hmmm...I registered an account since I've not done so since the change, and I tried to change my profile picture. No dice. Any hints about how to do that? I selected a .jpg, sized it, and hit save, but the default illustration was not replaced.

I had the same problem; tried several times but nothing showed up so I gave up and closed the browser.  Later when I went to try again, there on my profile was the photo that I thought had failed to load.

Date: 2012/03/12 20:49:46, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Seversky @ Mar. 12 2012,19:24)
What's up with TSZ?  Anyone else having problems getting in?

Yes, intermittently I get "page not found" errors.

Date: 2012/03/19 10:26:59, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 18 2012,08:30)
He is a New Age type.
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BTW, I don't know which book you ordered, but they don't equally examine the views I express here. Anarchic Harmony is more of a 100-page anti-authority, anti-convention rant than anything else, but I've always been fond of Robert Anton Wilson's introduction. Unconditional Freedom is a more in-depth explanation of my views. Please keep in mind that I wrote both of those about 20 years ago, so my views have changed and developed over that time.

Both of those books are now out of print and are now only available via the second-hand market. For something more current, you might try "Instant Enlightenment", available as a digital download from Lulu.com. Cheap, at $2.50, and brief (as the term "instant" indicates) at 40 pages. But, I don't get into any "explanation" in IE; it's more of just a how-to book.

I think they prefer the term "New Age Baramin".

Date: 2012/03/24 10:42:10, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 23 2012,23:14)
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 23 2012,20:05)
Thanks, Liz.

For the curious, Richard is referring to the one time I defended something that David Coppedge said, a discussion that went on for days and involved bananas, ravens, and Richard's, um, predilections...

 
Quote (keiths @ Oct. 18 2009,11:26)
 
Quote (Raevmo @ Oct. 17 2009,16:32)
Of course, if N is large - and it is very large - observing a yellow banana has almost no effect at all on our posterior

Speak for yourself.  Richardthughes feels a tingling in his posterior when he sees a yellow banana, particularly if it is large.

To be fair, that's the gerbil thinking it's going to be fed.

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Date: 2012/03/24 18:21:08, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 24 2012,17:00)
Quote (NormOlsen @ Mar. 24 2012,10:42)
*snip*

You know those pointless forum posts, where somebody, apparently with nothing better to do and having nothing of any real substance to say, simply comments about the hilarity of somebody else's witticism, saying something like "LOL" or even "ROTFL" or possibly even something about cleaning off the spray from their computer monitor?

This is one of those posts.

Siri, take NormOlsen off my Christmas card list and mail him a dog turd.

Edited to spell name right.

From now on I will call you "rock god", OK?

Date: 2012/03/29 09:46:49, Link
Author: NormOlsen
NY Times Article on Tim Tebow

From the article:
Despite his age at the time, Tebow has specific memories of the awakening: of being in bed, scared he would go to hell if something happened the next day.

He was 6 years old.  I see this as an example of fear-based manipulation, a la "Jesus Camp".  Poor little Timmy was terrified of going to hell.

Date: 2012/03/30 21:23:11, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Speaking of Sal...

yuck.

Date: 2012/03/30 22:20:06, Link
Author: NormOlsen
One more time.

Date: 2012/03/30 22:21:07, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Er, never mind, link does not appear to be working.  Nothing to see here, carry on...

Date: 2012/04/03 14:39:15, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Woodbine @ April 03 2012,14:22)
I clicked on Batsh^t's name at Cornholio's place and discovered the wellspring of all his C+P tard.

It's un-ironically called 'Let there be Light' and assuming you can get it to load you'll find one giant blog post wherein BA77 converses with himself. Functionally speaking it is his brain.

Oh dear, now look what you've done:

Date: 2012/04/05 16:01:20, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 04 2012,23:13)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ April 04 2012,20:56)
     
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 04 2012,03:06)
He's even spamming Evolution News.

I wonder how long they'll allow comments now that BatShit 77 has discovered them.

That's some beautiful boilerplate craptastic & bombastic BA^77!  I'll bet he's been kicked ot of at least 3 congregations for being Too Holier Than Thou!  And he longs for the days when he had friends, before he started preaching at them and condeming them all to hell!

I think Frill may be in the same circumstances.  I have a feeling that back in the days when he was a super atheist, nobody knew, but once he OD'd on Jesus, nobody could avoid hearing about it.  Again and again and again and ...

He apparently got kicked out of the editorship of Hang Gliding magazine about that time.  Coincidence?  Maybe.  Just plain sick of his ragging for Jesus?  Quite likely.

What!?  He's a hang glider, and all of us don't know about it (again and again and again and ...)?  That seems unlikely.

Date: 2012/04/13 17:56:18, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 13 2012,17:16)


Edit: At His Majesty's request.

That's just completely awesome.

Date: 2012/04/13 18:57:42, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 13 2012,18:26)
Thanks, Norm, but the concept and the text were Rich's idea. I just slavishly followed his orders.

Concept shmocept!  Execution is everything.  Even Joe would be proud.

Date: 2012/04/13 18:58:54, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (NormOlsen @ April 13 2012,18:57)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 13 2012,18:26)
Thanks, Norm, but the concept and the text were Rich's idea. I just slavishly followed his orders.

Concept shmocept!  Execution is everything.  Even Joe would be proud.

I mean "shmoncept".  See, execution really is everything.

Date: 2012/04/14 18:54:22, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Happy fake Birthday!  Those are the best kind; much less disappointing that the real ones.

Date: 2012/04/14 18:55:57, Link
Author: NormOlsen
"than" the real ones.  Sigh.

Date: 2012/04/15 17:52:17, Link
Author: NormOlsen

Albatross for Christ's sake!


Oh fishy, fishy, fish.  And they went where ever I did go.
(Pacific Ocean Perch).

West Coast Haida Gwaii 2010.

Date: 2012/04/16 16:01:39, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Woodbine @ April 16 2012,15:04)
Yeesh....



:(

Crap.  That sucks.

Date: 2012/04/17 15:25:24, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Amadan @ April 17 2012,14:12)
 
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 17 2012,19:32)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ April 17 2012,10:24)
On the occasion of David Coppedge's unsuccessful attempt to sue JPL for wrongful dismissal, eminent historian David Barton said....
     
Quote
American justice has until this day been the envy of every foreign man, woman and negro across the globe. If our courts do not overturn this travesty then I fully expect to see a repeat of when Paul Revere started the American civil war by throwing all that coffee overboard in Boston. That's right, South African coffee. From Kenya.

Linky?

ummm, I think Woodbine was giving us some authentic truthiness, Tracey.

Barton may not have said it, but we can be confident that he would have no objection to it being attributed to him. We shall therefore place it on a billboard somewhere with his name under it.

Yes, that was some high quality satire.  Kind of like this:

David Suzuki's Anti-Human CBC

 
Quote
God created the biosphere so that humans could rule over it and make sweet, forcible love to it. He won’t allow it to be ruined, and even promised Noah there would not be another Great Flood. And while several of the species on Noah’s ark have since become extinct, there is convincing evidence that all of them were atheists and prolific masturbators.


Sorry if that's OT but it's so damn good.

Date: 2012/04/18 12:06:27, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Seems now that a majority of Americans are beginning to accept global warming.  From the NY Times:

Americans Link Global Warming Extremes to Climate Change

This is great; if the majority of Americans accept that climate change is real, then UD's denialism will be the anchor that drags them down further into obscurity.*

*Unless of course, Barry purges all anti-climate change posts for all time and claims they were never agin' it, they were fer' it!

Date: 2012/04/26 11:48:42, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (paragwinn @ April 26 2012,09:45)
     
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 26 2012,07:26)
       
Quote
Speaking of orbital mechanics, I have to wonder, if a small object were orbiting a larger object, far enough away from other objects to avoid interference, would the orbit eventually degrade (one way or the other) due to tidal friction, even if both objects were solid?

Depends on the details. The earth's moon is receding due to transfer of rotational energy.

It's probably not receding fast enough to satisfy the aliens living within it's core. They are so not looking forward to the establishment of the Gingrich Moonbase. I'm sure Joe could testify to that in some manner.

Not at all, they're actually celebrating now that one of their own has won the GOP nomination, effectively squashing the moonbase plan, and setting in motion their counter-plan for world domination.  I for one welcome our new Romneyian overlords!

Date: 2012/05/01 14:53:47, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Barry is now asking for examples of Astonishingly Stupid Arrogance

How about:
 
Quote
I predict that in the next five years [by 2003] intelligent design will be sufficiently developed to deserve funding from the National Science Foundation (Dembski, Mere Creation, 1998, p. 29).

Date: 2012/05/04 11:54:18, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (OgreMkV @ May 04 2012,10:53)
You guys may have seen this already (I'm slow sometimes), but it's a fere e-book called "The Authoritarians" and talks about the psychology of the 'right-wing authoritarians' (and includes a very specific definition of 'right-wing' and 'authoritarian'.

It's very enlightening and equally applicable to politics, religion, ID, global warming denial, etc.  

The author is a psychologist and has many examples of case studies.  I especially liked the 'global game'.

Anyway, here's a link.  

The Authoritarians

Looks good.  Point of Inquiry has an interesting discussion with Jonathan Weiler on a the same topic:

Authoritarians vs Reality

Date: 2012/05/04 19:30:30, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 04 2012,18:52)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 04 2012,19:36)
An obituary.

And thus passes one of the most legendary internet cranks of all time. It's sad, not just that he was a crank, but he was probably the most entertaining (and frankly lovable in his caustic crankitude) crank ever. Despite everything, the universe is a lesser place for his loss. I am honestly sad about this news.

It is sad.  His polemics on UD, back in it's heyday, were legendary, and his signature sign-off "I love it so!" always made me chuckle, if only because it was so fucking crazy.  Sorry to see him go.

Date: 2012/05/08 12:33:59, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 08 2012,11:28)
Even after he's dead, yet another blog.

I fixed the title.

Date: 2012/05/11 11:58:05, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 11 2012,11:43)
Joe's mother is looking remarkably good for her age...

Now that's the inevitable joke I was expecting.  I was going to offer something similar or perhaps:

"Joe, have you considered getting a Brazilian?"

Date: 2012/05/11 15:58:22, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (sparc @ May 11 2012,15:03)
 
Quote (JohnW @ May 09 2012,11:30)
I don't think any of us have ever provoked a Gordshite meltdown.
Obama just did exactly that.

Heysoos Kristos!  If we ever need proof that there is no intelligent designer, but almost certainly a malevolent God, we have KF's brain.  Case closed.

Date: 2012/05/11 16:17:48, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (The whole truth @ May 11 2012,06:37)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ May 11 2012,04:07)
Gildo has always been desperately insecure about how he is perceived.

See this archetypical post from 2005, the last paragraph in particular.

The tragic fuck even provides links to prove he's not a complete fool..... :D


I would absolutely love to play a game of chess, in person, with that bloviating gasbag.

You're certainly right about his insecurity. I guess having a monstrous IQ (LOL) can't make up for having no balls.

He just can't stop talking about how super smart he is:

IQ, Puzzle Solving, and Darwinism

Quote
Many years later, upon reflecting about and remembering this event, I asked my mom what this was all about. She told me that as a result of an IQ test I had taken (they did that back in those days) I had scored the highest IQ ever recorded in the local school system at my age level, and my parents were asked to give permission for further testing.


Wow, Gil, tell us again about your checkers program!

Date: 2012/05/11 18:18:11, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Apologies to Kattarina98, I didn't scroll back far enough to see that you had already (beautifully) covered Gil's latest fit of braggadocio.

Date: 2012/05/12 23:16:42, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 12 2012,19:02)
If anyone wants to spin up Gordon E. Mullings of Montserrat, he's now posting his nonsense at Corny's blog.   ;)

This is mildly amusing: if you Google
"Strawman soaked in ad hominem"

One of KF's posts on Hunter's blog is the top result.

Well, OK, I guess that's not very surprising ... or amusing.

Date: 2012/05/13 11:22:20, Link
Author: NormOlsen
KF offers this most helpful diagram:



There's nothing about that diagram that is not hilarious, right down to the "(Not to scale)" label.  If it weren't KF I would have guessed Poe.  Fantastic.

Date: 2012/05/15 11:42:40, Link
Author: NormOlsen
For a blog purportedly about Intelligent Design, the only OPs that generate a significant number of comments are about religion.  For example, How TEs are like YECs, which has 161 comments to date, with 347 instances of the word "God".

Just in case there was any confusion about what really excites IDists.

(hint: it's God)

Everybody already knows this, but still, reading through those comments and seeing some of the regular UDers with their guard down, in full god-botherish mode is quite revealing.

Date: 2012/05/16 09:56:59, Link
Author: NormOlsen
O'Leary offers evidence against human evolution:

 
Quote
The few claims for which we have hard evidence are stuff like cave art (which went downhill over the millennia) and temple complexes (Gobekli Tepe, about 12000 years old, went down over the millennia too), which doesn’t support Darwin’s gradual ascent thesis at all.


That, plus the fact that she's way dumber than most writers were a century ago, so take that Darwin!

Date: 2012/05/17 10:41:48, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (George @ May 17 2012,08:09)
 
Quote (Quack @ May 17 2012,07:01)
   
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 16 2012,20:49)
the surgery she had as a child (brain transplant?)

Brainectomy?

O'Leary:  My... brain... hurts!

Dr. Black:  It will have to come out.

[Chaos with oversized wooden mallets and rusty saws ensues.]

Documentary evidence.

O'Leary:  My... brain... hurts!

Dr. Black: It's phantom pain.  I'm afraid there's nothing I can do.

Date: 2012/05/17 15:25:56, Link
Author: NormOlsen
jonnyb brings on teh gay

     
Quote
You will not come out as Zorro prancing from the shadows with your blade.


Yes, well, I guess if you're going to 'come out' you might as well dress up like Zorro and do a bit of prancing.  No shame in that.  But I do think you should leave your blade sheathed.

Date: 2012/05/18 13:56:55, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Can't let this little gem by tjguy go without comment.

Highlight:
     
Quote
This model does need some direct supernatural intervention, but that is what the Bible teaches – God intervened in time and space and created the heavens and the earth in 6 days. This theory has no need to appeal to any dark matter, dark energy, or other fudge factors that are necessary to support the Big Bang.


Yup, no fudge factors required, just plain 'ole supernatural intervention!

Date: 2012/05/18 18:19:10, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (clamboy @ May 18 2012,00:54)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 17 2012,15:25)
jonnyb brings on teh gay

         
Quote
You will not come out as Zorro prancing from the shadows with your blade.


Yes, well, I guess if you're going to 'come out' you might as well dress up like Zorro and do a bit of prancing.  No shame in that.  But I do think you should leave your blade sheathed.

"Say something like a sissy boy."


jonnyb ushers in a new strategy for getting ID into the classroom.  Forget the Wedge Document; say hello to the Gay Blade!

Date: 2012/05/19 11:54:40, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Jason Rosenhouse on
Theistic Evolution is Not a Form of Intelligent Design

 
Quote
The hallmark of anti-evolutionism, whether young-Earth creationism or intelligent design, is some implication that scientists are doing it wrong. They are not saying simply that evolution as scientists understand it fits within a larger metaphysical framework that involves God. They are saying that any understanding of natural history that does not make reference to God's direct activity is just wrong.


This is the context for every "news" piece over at UD.

Date: 2012/05/22 12:21:29, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 22 2012,09:57)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 22 2012,09:34)
       
Quote (Patrick @ May 22 2012,08:36)
Perhaps he'll post a link to some pornography on UD like he did on Lizzie's blog.  That would be an entertaining Friday meltdown.

I can see GilDo and Gordon's reaction now:

"Gosh darn it Joe!  We're giving you exactly six months to stop posting that!

:D

KF patrols the internet for porn to be outraged by on a regular basis, so the novelty of anything posted by Joe would wear off after a couple of days, not six months.


He should see his doctor if his outrage lasts longer than 4 hours.

<terrible i know>

Date: 2012/05/22 21:05:19, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Sayeth Joe:

     
Quote
The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


"I'm just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell".  Such humility!  I'm sure Joe has a pretty good idea where it resides, he just doesn't want to brag until he finishes his synthesizer.

Date: 2012/05/23 09:51:50, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (OgreMkV @ May 23 2012,08:46)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ May 23 2012,01:10)
   
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 22 2012,19:05)
Sayeth Joe:

             
Quote
The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


"I'm just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell".  Such humility!  I'm sure Joe has a pretty good idea where it resides, he just doesn't want to brag until he finishes his synthesizer.

I've got to have some fun with joey's comments.


"The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design."

In the beginning, the designer god(s) created the heavens, the Earth, and a cake recipe, times 5.

"I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell."

I'm sure that joey g resides in a dark, moldy basement.

"Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA."

I infer that joey's brain cells don't work right and that his programming is defective.  

"So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable."

Nothing could make joey's brain parts or cells viable. He's hopeless. I'm really wondering if he was synthesized from toe jam.

"How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for."

Ah yes, that's what science is for. Science is the orchestra that joey desperately wants to conduct, even though he can't read the music and has never been to a concert. joey is a scientific maestro only in his own delusional mind.



Hey joey, I thought you IDiots claim to "know the design" when you see it, and I'm surprised that you're not 'inferring' that the "programming/ software" was downloaded into all organisms by Lt. Data, under the direct supervision of allah, with the approval of Star Fleet Command.  Isn't that how it was done?



Edited to correct a correction. :)

Here's a good question for Joey,

How, exactly, does he propose to "synthesize" all these parts of a cell.

Unless he's got a freaking atomic force microscope and approximately 6x10^5 years to move individual atoms around, then the only known way to synthesize these types of things is to...

use cellular components!

So his "test" is not only stupid, but it's not even discriminatory as he has to use the tools that he's testing to see if they are testable.

ID in a nutshell.

 
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How, exactly, does he propose to "synthesize" all these parts of a cell.


I'm pretty sure this is what Joe envisions when thinks "synthesize":


In keeping with Robert Moog's bday and all...

Date: 2012/05/24 10:03:58, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 24 2012,06:21)
Oh noes - the Tree of Life is crashing down - down - down!  
Quote
If turtles are closer to birds than to lizards and snakes, genetically, then …

Doesn’t this raise some questions about conventional accounts of evolution? Or do we still pretend we didn’t notice?


Remember, Denyse said it first.

And then Joe follows up with this:

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BTW a turtle out of its shell does look like a bird without feathers.


Yup, just like a bird without feathers, or a backbone, or guts and stuff.

Stupid and cruel; what a combo.

Date: 2012/06/01 17:16:24, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 01 2012,17:03)
KF can't stand mildmannered Jerad who manages to have friendly conversations with Eugene, Collin, and Eric Anderson. Time to show them how to treat evilutionists.      
Quote
... and I must confess it is annoying to be forever strawmannised.

Uh-oh, Satan's tail spotted:      
Quote
And, please note the unacceptable rhetorical pattern, again. You have been listening to the talking points of a side that is committed to a scorched earth defence of its a priori materialism. Which is inescapably self refuting and amoral to begin with.

Closing with a reminder who Jerad is dealing with:      
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Right now I have to attend to a declaration to the UN decolonisation commission; of all things.

Writing crank letters to the UN again ...

And then after some back and forth friendly banter, he lays down the KF hammer:

 
Quote
F/N: The number of Planck-time events for the 10^57 atoms of our solar system to date is about 10^102. The number of configs for 500 bits [3*10^150] gives a threshold that is 10^48 beyond that. All of that is discussed in the immediate context. In short the threshold metric that is created works off quantum of specific info beyond a threshold set by available number of possible tosses of the dice so to speak. If you are sampling at most 10^102 tosses in a space that is 10^48 beyond that you have no right to expect to hit on definable special zones that are isolated by chance: one straw-sizes sample from a hay bale 3 1/2 light days across. For the very same reason why relatively small but sufficient samples of a population give us a credibly good glimpse of its general properties. Or, to go to Fisher’s testing, a random sample within a given scope of trials, will come reliably enough from the bulk not the far skirts, so if you are seeing far skirt results the best explanation is intelligently directed or biased samples.


Mmmmmm, now that's some good eats, a veritable feast of fresh and satisfying GEM!

Date: 2012/06/01 17:27:57, Link
Author: NormOlsen
And in case anybody missed it, the winning entry of UD's "Describe the Cell" contest, by niwrad:

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A ‘cell’ is a bio-cybernetic chemical automaton able to self-replicate, self-organize, and perform metabolic functions by means of nano-level molecular machines controlled by internal digital software stored in information rich polymers.


My own entry didn't make the cut:

"A cell is a whiz-bang, super-duper, computational thingamajig, with tons of specified complexity, surrounded by loads of informational stuff, packed with technical jargon up the yin-yang, and overflowing with sophistimicated do-dads, plus some racing stripes and an aerofoil, that only Teh Designer could have possibly poofed into existence.  Did I mention that it's really complex?  It is ... REALLY complex."

I think I would have won if I hadn't mentioned the designer.

Date: 2012/06/01 20:52:35, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 01 2012,18:50)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 01 2012,17:27)
And in case anybody missed it, the winning entry of UD's "Describe the Cell" contest, by niwrad:

     
Quote
A ‘cell’ is a bio-cybernetic chemical automaton able to self-replicate, self-organize, and perform metabolic functions by means of nano-level molecular machines controlled by internal digital software stored in information rich polymers.


My own entry didn't make the cut:

"A cell is a whiz-bang, super-duper, computational thingamajig, with tons of specified complexity, surrounded by loads of informational stuff, packed with technical jargon up the yin-yang, and overflowing with sophistimicated do-dads, plus some racing stripes and an aerofoil, that only Teh Designer could have possibly poofed into existence.  Did I mention that it's really complex?  It is ... REALLY complex."

I think I would have won if I hadn't mentioned the designer.



Stolen from Watterson's Calvin & Hobbes

Awesomeness!

Date: 2012/06/02 15:49:59, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 02 2012,14:04)
Our little Joe just caught the attention of Jerry Coyne.  Question: will this lead to new heights of TARD or will the ecstasy of being noticed leave Joe catatonic?

Joe is the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal of the ID movement, and Jerry just pulled the towel off.  Prepare for a tardgasm of epic proportions.

Date: 2012/06/04 14:46:46, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21)
Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen.

Don't tell these guys...
NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL

Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

Date: 2012/06/05 15:07:40, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Sal mines another quote

Date: 2012/06/06 09:42:19, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2012,03:37)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 04 2012,14:46)
     
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21)
Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen.

Don't tell these guys...
NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL

Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

From the text:
   
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First off, some principles and definitions.

Principle 01: Nothing comes from nothing or “ex nihilo nihil”.

Principle 02: “Of causality”,

Definition 01: “Symbol”,

Definition 02: “Symbolic processing”

Definition 03: “Language”,

Definition 04: “Instruction”

Definition 05: Turing Machine ™

Definition 06: “Physical computer”

Principle 03: Formalism > Physicality (F > P)

Definition 07: “Primordial soup”

Definition 08: “Constructor”

Definition 09: “GRC” (genome / ribosome / genomic code)

Thesis 01: From a primordial soup of disorganized atoms as input a cybernetic constructor as output cannot spontaneously arise.

Obiection 01: “The constructor formalism in output doesn’t exist.

Answer 01: This objection is a negation of the F > P principle.

Obiection 02: “Given enough time a computer implementing a random generator of characters can

Answer 02: Such static pseudo-symbols are not a functioning formalism.

Obiection 03: “The genetic code in a GRC constructor

Answer 03: This process in no way

As Don Johnson says

Obiection 04: “The natural laws can calculate

Answer 04: No. This doesn’t suffice

Obiection 05: “In your apple analogy C&N could

Answer 05: I state that C&N doesn’t

Thesis 01 has an important and direct application in the biological field about abiogenesis for the following:

Corollary 01: Given that any biological cell contains GRCs,

References

[1] Michael Behe, “Darwin’s Black Box”, 2003.
[2] David Abel, “The First Gene”, 2011.

My favorite:

[7] Michael Polany, http://www.iscid.org/encyclo....Polanyi

A question for .rD .rD niwraD:  What did the first living thing look  like?  What did it do?

If you can't answer that, then you suffer from Dembski's Syndrome: an inability to make your reasoning conform to the world because you have no idea of what the world is like.

Sensing that a competitor has entered into his ethereal domain, KF counters with a stunning  clean-up calculation:

 
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N: Well done. I did a clean-up calc. To get to a step-increment of 500 bits worth of explicit or implicit functionally specific info by chance on the gamut of the solar system — on chemical reaction rates — is comparable to having a 1,000 light year thick cubical haystack (that’s the thickness of the galactic disk) centred on our sun and superposed on the galaxy, then picking a straw sized sample. ...


And so the master reclaims his ascendancy and the upstart niwrad is left, jaw-agape, at the intellectual brilliance known only as "GEM of TKI".  Bravo KF, bravo!

Date: 2012/06/07 21:17:44, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (sledgehammer @ June 07 2012,20:49)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2012,18:40)
Someone get Woodbine a PotW pronto.

Segundoded!



Oh yeah, it's lame I know, but it's still POTW!  Err, anyway, where's Kattarina98 when you need her?

Date: 2012/06/08 10:23:03, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 08 2012,08:49)
Quote (Patrick @ June 08 2012,08:21)
 
Quote (REC @ June 07 2012,15:42)
UD is barely clearing a dozen comments a day.

Unfortunately, a few of these are from the reality-based community.

Can we try to extract them?

We recovering tardicts definitely need to hold an intervention for Jared.

Definitely. I keep suspecting that all the time she/he is grinning diabolically.

It won't be long before KF loses his patience with Jared's continued refusal to bow down before his magnificence.  KF will eventually blow with something along the lines:

"J: Pardon but your inability to acknowledge the self-evident correctness on matters relating to first principles of right reason. .. blah, blah, blah, bling, bling, bling, blah, ... amply demonstrated ... yadda, yadda, ... ad hominem ... bliz blaz ... strawman laced with contempt ...
good day.
END."

Dude is such an insufferable wanker.

Date: 2012/06/09 21:17:06, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Tyler:
 
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Yet, each of these traits requires a set of inter-related components and information processing machinery.


It just struck me that IDers are gradually turning God into a lab geek / programming nerd / mechanic.  Not very romantic or inspiring.  They will turn him from magical father figure, to a lab coat-wearing technician, laboriously assembling components and programming subroutines.  Even if they win, they will sow the seeds of their own demise.

Date: 2012/06/12 11:20:12, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Steve Matheson resigns over allegations of sexual involvement with a student.  Not surprisingly,
Sal kicks off the Schadenfreude-fest at UD.

Quote
I hope for Steve’s sake, the allegations are false and that he’ll return to debating the ID and UD community. He has a fine intellect, and he was the source of many lively scientific exchanges.


Such sincerity!  It's touching really.

Date: 2012/06/12 16:43:48, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 12 2012,16:01)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 12 2012,11:20)
Steve Matheson resigns over allegations of sexual involvement with a student.  Not surprisingly,
Sal kicks off the Schadenfreude-fest at UD.

       
Quote
I hope for Steve’s sake, the allegations are false and that he’ll return to debating the ID and UD community. He has a fine intellect, and he was the source of many lively scientific exchanges.


Such sincerity!  It's touching really.


   
Quote
By the way, this blog was posted also under “academic freedom”.

Calvin College sent out this letter to the students and media outlets to uphold students rights from abuse of office by professors.

What I’ve failed to mentions is that the letter was to help uphold students rights, and there has been a violation of students rights and hence academic freedom.

I feel very sorry for Steve, but there is a victim in this affair whose name is not known and whose academic freedom has been infringed on. Calvin published the story and made it widely available in the hope of furthering academic freedom.

Calvin felt that reporting of this story would help protect students rights, and I stand with them in that regard.


I'm going to puke now.

If you really want to read it at UD: http://tinyurl.com/7hqskzq....7hqskzq

"Think of the children!"
What's really amazing is that Sal thinks anyone will buy his rationalizations.  Even UD regulars ForJah and Starbuck are calling him a turd for this one.

Date: 2012/06/12 20:59:55, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 12 2012,16:43)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 12 2012,16:01)
   
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 12 2012,11:20)
Steve Matheson resigns over allegations of sexual involvement with a student.  Not surprisingly,
Sal kicks off the Schadenfreude-fest at UD.

         
Quote
I hope for Steve’s sake, the allegations are false and that he’ll return to debating the ID and UD community. He has a fine intellect, and he was the source of many lively scientific exchanges.


Such sincerity!  It's touching really.


     
Quote
By the way, this blog was posted also under “academic freedom”.

Calvin College sent out this letter to the students and media outlets to uphold students rights from abuse of office by professors.

What I’ve failed to mentions is that the letter was to help uphold students rights, and there has been a violation of students rights and hence academic freedom.

I feel very sorry for Steve, but there is a victim in this affair whose name is not known and whose academic freedom has been infringed on. Calvin published the story and made it widely available in the hope of furthering academic freedom.

Calvin felt that reporting of this story would help protect students rights, and I stand with them in that regard.


I'm going to puke now.

If you really want to read it at UD: http://tinyurl.com/7hqskzq....7hqskzq

"Think of the children!"
What's really amazing is that Sal thinks anyone will buy his rationalizations.  Even UD regulars ForJah and Starbuck are calling him a turd for this one.

So, in the course of this thread, Sal went from:
 
Quote
If Matheson left for personal reasons, he is entitled to privacy. But if he left for misconduct, and has been publicly called on it by a Christian College (Calvin College), and further if he has been accusing fellow Christians of being a “cancer on the Christian intellect”, we have some obligation to call him out on his double standard.


To:
 
Quote
Yes, Matheson is suffering immensely, and if it were only his personal suffering I wouldn’t have reported it. But at issue is the victimization of students, and Calvin vigorously reported and has taken action, and that is right thing to do, even if unpleasant.


In other words, Sal starts by calling out Steve on a supposed double-standard; he gets taken to task for that by his fellow UDers, and, without blinking, he switches to "it's all about the victims" shtick.  Yes, it is enough to make you puke.

Date: 2012/06/14 11:08:34, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (The whole truth @ June 14 2012,10:31)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ June 14 2012,07:14)
   
Quote (The whole truth @ June 14 2012,09:09)
     
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 14 2012,03:23)
Well, it's alright, we all know nobody on the religious side has ever been deviant...

Anyway, I have to read a few pages back to understand what all this is about...

Yeah, those pure as driven snow godbots never do anything immoral.

Also see this.

Because anything sanctioned by their god is automatically considered moral.

Things like slavery, mass rape, genocide, torture, intolerance, lying, theft... all OK as long as God commands it OR you are doing it for God.  Right?


TWT, nice pic.  It brings me back to Barry's hypothetical:  If you were on trial for murder, which of these guys would you want as the witness?


Better yet, which of these guys would you be willing to buy a used car from?

Date: 2012/06/14 17:14:36, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,17:04)
PaV
   
Quote
Another day; another bad day for Darwinism. The end is soon.


From his draft copy:
The end is nigh!! near! soon.

Date: 2012/06/20 09:43:44, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (olegt @ June 20 2012,07:41)
DO'L posts a link to a Discovery story about a contrarian astronomer doubting the Big-Bang connection to the latest studies of the cosmic microwave background radiation. She fails to mention that the guy's alternative theory did not pass the statistical test. (The Discovery story does.)

Meanwhile, the WMAP team wins the Gruber Prize in cosmology. Will this make DeNews?


Nice, he criticizes the results of a detailed statistical analysis which finds that the "CMB blobs yield a power spectrum that exactly fits theoretical predictions":
   
Quote
Verschuur shrugs off the interpretation, saying that astronomers can analyze the data and then stop when, "they find what they are looking for."


Then he defends his own eye ball interpretation:
   
Quote
"astronomers who study interstellar structure do not use statistics to show associations between different forms of matter ... they go by what the data look like."


Quack alert!

Date: 2012/06/20 12:22:53, Link
Author: NormOlsen
There's a stunning level of ignorance on display at UD right now at the Adam and Eve Possible? thread.

Says user mahuna:

Quote
As far as we know, all hominids give birth to 1 baby at a time, with rare cases of twins or triplets. Even in the ancient historical period, the odds of 2 twins (let alone 3 triplets) surviving infancy were very low. So, it isn’t reasonable to assume that in a single generation 10 (for example) homo sapien children appeared from non-homo-sapien parents. The logical alternative, even assuming Evolution is true, is that after several false starts, 1 male and 1 female homo sapien found each other (even if born in different packs) and mated successfully.


And this, even after Jon Garvey tries to edumacate him.

Date: 2012/06/21 12:12:26, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote
We require a much higher standard of evidence than do you religious folk.


How convenient.  Indeed, one can apply that "standard of evidence" argument to anything.  Heck if I don't like the idea that the Earth revolves around the sun, I can always say "I require a higher standard of evidence!".  This is especially true when one doesn't even understand what the evidence is, as is so often the case with ID supporters.

Date: 2012/06/21 13:00:17, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (SLP @ June 21 2012,12:45)
Why does Luskin refer to himself as a 'scientist'?

He's got a masters degree in Earth Sciences from the University of California at San Diego (according to his website).

Date: 2012/06/21 13:10:42, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Dr. J:
 
Quote
the revealed directiveness of biology via internal technology

My bullshit detector just exploded and my possuer alert meter is red-lining.

Date: 2012/06/21 14:43:43, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 21 2012,13:59)
Having ape ancestors is way cooler than having been modelled out of a lump of dirt. And a clean and uninterrupted genetic lineage still beats some tinkering and tweaking along the way - it's just much more streamlined, just like a Lamborghini is cooler than a pimped ride.

Pardon my utter lack of Photoshop skills (or in this case, Paint.NET).

Date: 2012/06/21 19:06:51, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 21 2012,19:02)
 
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 21 2012,18:42)
 
Quote (olegt @ June 21 2012,17:00)
I'll take it as a yes, Jared. Thanks for playing.

Bonus question: what do you make of the folks at BioLogos? Are they a bunch of atheists?

Worldview preferences strongly dictate both sides of the debate, although I believe they're stronger with Darwinists. After all, I've seen many valid pro-I.D. arguments regarding the origin of life, all while Darwinists simply assert that their view, abiogenesis, must be true because design must be false.

One side, the I.D. side, is arguing via logic and evidence. The other side is arguing via fallacious question begging -- the result of being motivated to dogmatism by their worldview.

Any chance you might share some of that evidence with us while we're still young?

Yes please do, and remember an anti-evolution argument is not de facto, a pro-ID argument.

Date: 2012/06/22 16:08:38, Link
Author: NormOlsen
In one of the most inadvertently funny comments I've ever read on UD, Barb responds to JLAFan2001's comment about misusing science to prove religious belief (or words to that effect).

Barb:
 
Quote
I don’t see it as proving religious beliefs, but rather confirming them as being truthful.

Date: 2012/06/23 18:13:01, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 23 2012,17:54)
I love watching Upright Biped and kairosfocus just annihilate the trolls who pollute U.D. It's such a joy. kairosfocus is especially brilliant. It's no wonder he's so hated here. He's like LeBron James -- so brilliant at what he does that it's almost scary.

Every single one of you who have had the balls to face kairosfocus in the debating circle  have been severely trounced. Every one of your claims have been demolished. He is a one-man, Darwinist-destroying machine.

How many of you wake up in the middle of the night with cold sweats after having nightmares of kairosfocus? Be honest. His superior intellect scares you.

Oh Dr, J., you're not even trying now!  I'm sure you're loving the attention though so here's another bone for you.  Enjoy!
("Kairosfocus is especially brilliant."  Good stuff!)

Date: 2012/06/24 19:04:46, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2012,18:49)
 
Quote (REC @ June 24 2012,17:40)
O'Leary refines her hypocrisy:

"Out of curiosity, Denyse, have you ever actually read The Selfish Gene?"

   
Quote
I wouldn’t be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. It is an artifact of a science popularizer’s imagination. Same for the “meme.”


...and Gauger's pamphlet:

   
Quote
lastyearon is simply trying to misdirect a discussion around a technical issue that he has avoided by the expedient of jumping in without having read the book. If he comes back here without having read it, we will ban him.

Buy my book or else!

Whenever Denyse refers to herself using the Royal we, I can't help but picture her as Gollum.

"We will bans him! Yeees, precious, we will!"

Date: 2012/06/25 15:29:18, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (olegt @ June 25 2012,15:19)
 
Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,14:48)
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one.

Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island.

Don't know about the latest crisis, but here is one from 2010. It concerns teh gays.

I thought it was this:
Premier Meade seeks to delist Montserrat as a Colony at the UN

Date: 2012/06/25 17:50:25, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (olegt @ June 25 2012,07:17)
This is sig-worthy!
   
Quote
Believe me, atheists hold religious beliefs. It is just that the existence of God is not one of them. But that doesn’t mean they don’t hold religious beliefs. In fact, their religious beliefs are denied, go unexamined, and are more dogmatic. That’s fundamentalism.

LOL. A guy employed by Biola is wagging his finger at fundamentalism. Oh, the irony!

Cornelius wants to have his cake and eat it too.  Meanwhile, the rest of us are not allowed to speculate on whether or not the cake even exists, let alone has icing or not.

Date: 2012/06/25 20:30:27, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,20:18)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 25 2012,16:29)
 
Quote (olegt @ June 25 2012,15:19)
     
Quote (Patrick @ June 25 2012,14:48)
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what kairosfocus is talking about when he references a "constitutional crisis"?  I've looked at the Montserrat news recently and didn't see any kind of crisis nor any mention of anyone with the initials GEM creating one.

Unfortunately, he's no worse than some politicians in the deep south of the US, so I'm willing to believe it's possible that he might be a semi-prominent member of the street sweepers union on a sufficiently small island.

Don't know about the latest crisis, but here is one from 2010. It concerns teh gays.

I thought it was this:
Premier Meade seeks to delist Montserrat as a Colony at the UN

So kairosfocus is too busy to rant on UD because he is ranting on some obscure Montserrat discussion forum that isn't even indexed by Google, presenting views that are never even seen by anyone in the government?

I find that quite believable, actually.

KF likes to reference "the crisis" because it makes him sound important. Nobody embroiled in an actual crisis would stop to post 1000+ words on UD. It's pure posturing from an insufferable wanker.

Date: 2012/07/03 18:49:09, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Amadan @ July 03 2012,18:23)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ July 03 2012,20:04)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2012,11:19)

P. O. T. W.

Seconded Infinitied.

Infinitied + 1

Date: 2012/07/04 09:54:56, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote
Here, we review what is currently known about the structural components of wood that make these materials so difficult to process industrially and so difficult to degrade biologically. We then move to a more philosophical level by considering whether the existence of lignin and the absence of an organism that can grow on lignin are more readily explained from the Darwinian perspective or from the design perspective. Next, we praise Jesus for the existence of lignin and what it tells us about the poverty of the Darwinian explanation.  And finally, we speculate that the long age of Methuselah and other antediluvians listed in Genesis 5 was due to the fact that they were actually made of lignin and thus could live as long as many trees, praise be to God.


Last draft before final edit.

Date: 2012/07/04 11:32:24, Link
Author: NormOlsen
I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Date: 2012/07/04 17:52:16, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Sal Cordova, the voice of reason?
Who'da thunk?
(UD link)

Date: 2012/07/05 23:13:28, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 05 2012,20:48)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ July 05 2012,20:37)
 
Quote (Badger3k @ July 05 2012,20:33)
   
Quote (olegt @ July 05 2012,20:01)
Can you guess who wrote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/physicist-rob-sheldon-offers-some-thoughts-on-sal-cordova-vs-granville-sewell-on-2nd-law-t






hermo/#comment-427306]this[/URL]?
     
Quote
I’m a very simple person, au fond. I play Chopin on the piano, write artificially intelligent computer programs as a hobby, and earn my living as a software engineer in aerospace R&D.

Liberace?

H0M0!!!! ones !!1111

Captain "fabulous" incredulity?

Jean Girard's husband?

Date: 2012/07/08 20:03:03, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (The whole truth @ July 08 2012,18:25)
I just have to say more about this, from gordo:

"So, we are in our rights to draw out that the dominant pattern of the fossil record, after 150 years of diligent search — and despite the misleading headlines, museum exhibits, and textbook or Nat Geog Channel icons, declarations, reconstructions and footage, and even outright fraud [ a la Haeckel] etc — is that we have islands of body forms. Precisely the opposite to what the darwinian tree of incrementally varying life forms branching out by RV + NS, would lead us to have expected.

And in all of this, we need to remember, that the diversification to yield the varied forms is so complex that transitional forms SHOULD be utterly statistically dominant, ..."

gordo, you pompous, ignorant windbag, you don't have the "rights" to "draw out" anything. You haven't EARNED the "rights" to say anything about anything when it comes to science, evolution, or fossils.

You, like so many other IDiots, use the word "we" as though it actually means something significant. You, like so many other IDiots, must think that the word "we" will make it sound as though you IDiots are a part of science and that there is genuine scientific strength in the minuscule number of IDiots and in your scientific knowledge and accomplishments.

Tell me, gordo, WHAT have YOU ever done to contribute to science? What biological/evolutionary research have you ever done? What discoveries have you made? What papers or books have you written or contributed to? What scientific conferences have you attended and/or spoken at? Which scientists have you worked with? What scientific projects are you working on right now and what projects do you have planned for the future? Tell me about all the time you've spent in the wild, or in a lab, discovering, studying, researching, experimenting, and documenting anything about nature.

Tell me about all the fossils that you have personally examined. Point me to the peer reviewed papers you have written about them. Tell me about the courses you've taught about paleontology, geology, stratigraphy, or paleo-anthropology. What fossils have you personally found? Name all the places where you have looked for fossils and how much time you've spent doing so. Where are you going on your next fossil hunting expedition and what will you be looking for?  

Since you're too much a sniveling coward to face me at UD or on your proselytizing websites, I posted this here. I know you read this site but I also know that you are way too chickenshit to respond. Face it gordo, you're a nothing, a nobody, a coward, who has never contributed to science in any way whatsoever. You're just a big mouthed asshole who arrogantly thinks you have the "rights" to bash science, scientists, science supporters, and anyone else who doesn't say exactly what you want to hear. Nobody who does science is ever going to take you seriously. Nobody who does science is ever going to change their methods or interpretations because of what you spew. Nobody who does science is ever going to see you as an equal, or a colleague, or a contributor, or as a source of scientific knowledge and experience in any way. Most scientists have never even heard of you and the ones who have see you as a deranged, religiously and politically motivated, loud-mouthed, self-inflated, sanctimonious, basement dwelling, laughable internet preacher with delusions of godhood.

KF certainly knows how to push buttons.  I remember the first time I interacted with him (oh how naive I was) and honestly thought "here's a reasonable sounding chap who seems up for a friendly exchange of ideas".  Turned out ... not so much.  He quickly revealed himself as self-righteous, sanctimonious poseur, full of meaningless verbiage, quick to condemn anybody who disagreed with him, and patronizing to the last.  I suppose Jerad finally figured that out as well.  Perhaps we should all leave KF alone to his delusions.  He is a powerless fool in the end.

Date: 2012/07/09 15:07:43, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Oh noes! Crazy atheist lady has blue hair!
Run away!!!

Sal's right - the guy who looks like a Ken doll clearly makes a more compelling case for his claims.  I guess.  Whatever they are.  Anyways, his hair is way neater and not blue.

Date: 2012/07/12 17:16:40, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Better have a look before it disappears:
Diogenes lays down a beating.
(UD link)

Date: 2012/07/13 15:51:28, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Nullasalus keeps trying to lure Diogenes into a ban trap:
   
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I mean, it’s not like Dawkins rolled up and denied the Law of Non-Contradiction or anything. That’s out in flat-out moron mouthbreather territory. I’m sure you’d agree.

Meanwhile Barry waits patiently with his hammer ...

Date: 2012/07/13 16:02:56, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 13 2012,15:43)
Check out KF hissyfit / dishonesty:

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/id-foundations/id-foundations-16-a-pivotal-facet-of-id-foundations-so-far-the-significance-of-inductive-r




easoning-on-observed-reliable-signs-for-inferring-design-in-the-world-of-life-and-the-fine




-tuned-cosmos/#comment-427817]http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-427817[/URL]

   
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First, please look again at just the flowchart of the filter. You will see that there are two successive defaults before one would infer to design: necessity, and chance. (In other words you have shown yourself unable to unwilling to read a simple diagram before making a rather nasty adverse comment. Consider this a warning.)


They're not "defaults", shit for brains.

then:

   
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This last is clearly an exercise in willful atmosphere poisoning, which is not tolerated in this blog — for good reason.

Given that; you have just one opportunity to make amends, and failing that kindly do not ever post again in any thread that I am author of.

Good day

GEM of TKI


EXPELLED!!!1111one

That was some classic KF!  I particularly liked this bit of blather:
 
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Notice, contrary to your talking point, no probablility calculation is required; other than that that would estimate information storing capacity per standard techniques. (In most relevant cases, info carrying capacity is estimated directly using standard techniques, e.g. DNA is 2 bits per character, as is well known, though the codes tend to have some redundancy.)

What a dumb-ass.  He's clearly terrified by Diogenes though, given his final plea to be left alone (with his precious diagrams).

Date: 2012/07/16 11:49:25, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Henry J @ July 16 2012,11:36)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2012,09:53)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 16 2012,10:38)
I don't think he's mental. I think it's a strategy not unlike the political strategy of slinging mud. Your opponent can wipe it off, but some of it sticks. You are not trying t converth heathens. You are trying to give your own troops something to cheer about.

It's obvious that creationists scroll past science the same way we scroll past BA77. You only pay attention to your own side.

But the standard of evidence for apologetics does't overlap with the stand of evidence for science. So there will never be any actual communication.


Oh what a sticky web we weave...

Proof that there is no GOD or Spiderman.

Date: 2012/07/16 12:32:43, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 16 2012,12:08)
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 16 2012,11:54)
 
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And don't forget, 'Though Darwin titled his book “The Origin of Species,” little in the book, in fact, addresses the question of how new species arise.'  In a way, she's right.  The title page, for instance, has very little to do with how new species arise except that it says it's about the Origin of Species.

In fairness, it's quite well known that The Origin of Species doesn't say a lot about the actual process of speciation. Unfortunately we evolutionary biologists have to stick to Darwin's Holy Word, so we can't even begin to look for an explanation for speciation. One Irish scientist (Al O'Patrick) claimed to have worked on it, but nobody he didn't get much sympatry for his views.

Alas, poor Al O'Patrick! He had to migrate during one of those famines.

I heard he just drifted for a while before he finally found his marker.

Date: 2012/07/19 09:48:27, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Gil, tell us again how clever you were as a child:
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During the summer between my sixth- and seventh-grade education in public school, I became enamored with Greek mythology, and read the great classic, Edith Hamilton’s Mythology. When I entered seventh grade, on the first day of school, our English teacher asked us what books we had read over the summer. I responded with Edith Hamilton’s classic.


That's right, Edith Hamilton's classic, IN SEVENTH GRADE!  And the teacher was all like "Oh Gil you are ever so clever!  I do declare you'll one day be famous rocket scientist and frilly concert pianist!"

Gill as a child:


And the rest of us:

Date: 2012/07/20 21:12:49, Link
Author: NormOlsen
All Claims Made as the Result of a Computer Simulation Should be Considered BS, Until Gil Says Otherwise:

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I then noticed something. The solid finite elements were modeled with four-node tetrahedrons, not ten-node, second-order tetras that would provide the requisite degrees of freedom to make the model work correctly.

I realize that what I have written will make eyes glaze over, but the point is:


I'm really, really smart!!

Date: 2012/07/20 21:15:46, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Hmm, my tiny url is broken, perhaps not enough nodes or something, I dunno, I'm not so smart.  Anyways, it was a UD link as if that wasn't obvious.

Date: 2012/07/21 19:44:27, Link
Author: NormOlsen
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But why should our intelligence be taken as a guide to intelligence in things we had nothing to do with creating? Well, this is where the imago dei doctrine comes in.


Simply awesome.  He basically gives away the farm here.  Oh this is going to be fun!

Date: 2012/07/22 20:05:43, Link
Author: NormOlsen
KF announces a new ID course being offered by Trinity College of Florida.

Let's take a look at the mission statement of Trinity College:

 
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Mission & Goals
The mission of Trinity College of Florida is to equip men and women for Christian service to the church and all humanity through effective Biblical, Professional and General Education leading to associate and baccalaureate degrees.

The goals for achieving this mission are:

1. Spiritual - to orient, motivate, and lead students to Christian maturity and spiritual depth;

2. Academic - to provide an understanding of the Bible as the basis for Christian life and thought within the context of the College statement of faith and to introduce students to the Western intellectual tradition;

3. Intellectual - to develop in students the ability for critical analysis and to motivate in them a desire for continuing intellectual pursuits;

4. Professional - to produce graduates competent for Christian service to humanity in the areas of their individual choices.

Trinity College of Florida believes that the Bible should be at the heart and core of all training and is the standard for evaluating all claims to knowledge. The Bible, as the inspired Word of God, is instrumental in thoroughly equipping God’s servants for ministry. This philosophy is reflected in the wide range of Bible and theology courses offered. The College believes that the Bible is the only framework within which a consistent, effective, and productive worldview, lifestyle, and life of service to God and humanity can be maintained.


Intelligent Design: It's all about the science!

Date: 2012/07/24 10:10:10, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Zachriel @ July 24 2012,07:35)
Under "News": G. K. Chesterton on how little good five percent of an eye is.

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G.K. Chesterton: Put your bat or your rhinoceros simply and innocently as a child might put them, before the Darwinian, and he will answer by an appeal to authority.

Sure, as a child with an open mind.

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G.K. Chesterton: It is very far from obvious that the first rudimentary suggestion of a horn, the first faint thickening which might lead through countless generations to the growth of a horn, would be of any particular use as a horn.

If you bump heads to acquire a mate, defend yourself and your offspring, or use your snout to root in the ground for water; then yes, a thickening might be advantageous.

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G.K. Chesterton: A mouse can run, and survive; and a flitter-mouse can fly, and survive. But a creature that cannot yet fly, and can no longer run, ought obviously to have perished, by the very Darwinian doctrine which has to assume that he survived.

Never heard of the rodents called flying squirrels?

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G.K. Chesterton: The Darwinians have this mark of fighters for a lost cause,

1920.

This argument in particular is why the Grant's study of the Galapagos finches was so spectacular.  They demonstrated with statistical significance that even very slight variations (e.g. beak thickness measured in millimeters) lead to differential survival.

Argument from from careful analysis always trumps argument from incredulity, which in the end is all the IDers have.

Date: 2012/07/25 16:47:20, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 25 2012,14:40)
Is it coincidence that when screwballs start shooting people in Colorado, that Barry Arrington is always nearby?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Oh man, Bantax is practically begging for a ban!
(UD link)

Date: 2012/07/30 17:53:48, Link
Author: NormOlsen
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A full children’s program will also be provided teaching young ones how to think about the issues.


How depressing.

Date: 2012/08/21 22:56:18, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 21 2012,22:53)
Gil:
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The idea of sex with any other woman than my wife — to whom I have been married for almost 36 years, and who is the mother of my two beloved daughters — is utterly repulsive to me.

No doubt the feelings are mutual.

Crap, where's the "like" button?

Date: 2012/08/24 22:18:05, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Quote (REC @ Aug. 24 2012,21:01)
"torturing young children for fun is morally evil"

Note the qualifier from the righteous Barry: for fun.

For profit? eh.....Barry? Wtf man. Why the qualifier?

Or is the qualifier because maybe your God occasionally demands it: Genesis 22:1-12, Judges 11:30-39, Numbers 31:16-18, (I Samuel 15:2-3, Isaiah 13:15-16, Deuteronomy 2:34, Deuteronomy 3:6-7, Exodus 12:29-30, 2 Kings 2:23-24,  Deuteronomy 13:6-10...

Blech. I miss DeNews already if more Barry is what we have to look forward to in her absence.

But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.

Date: 2012/09/03 18:12:31, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Sal says:
 
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humans are like those detestable cockroaches which we give no thought to exterminating.


See, I learned my quoting skills from Sal!

Date: 2012/09/13 16:41:13, Link
Author: NormOlsen
Semi OT: What, not a single vote for BA77?!

Other notes: Seriously, not one?

Music, video, and verse:
Denis Leary - I'm an asshole - with lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....N2KAaww

PS: Quantum entanglement! I win!

 

 

 

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