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Date: 2007/06/11 18:09:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ June 11 2007,17:26)
Yeah, and ten to one that "Carolyn Hall" is a relative or a wife (same city).

Or both?

Customers who bought items like this also bought:

Refuting Evolution: A Handbook for Students, Parents, and Teachers Countering the Latest Arguments for Evolution  by Jonathan Sarfati

and

The Lie: Evolution  by Ken Ham

They might as well say, "Customers who bought items like this also eat paint chips."

Date: 2007/06/11 22:43:10, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 11 2007,22:13)
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“Scoundrel? Scoundrel…I like the sound of that”
scorned'Ova

Have you noticed that heroes are often scoundrels too (at least in the movies)? Can we say Rhett Butler or Han Solo?

...Han: You like me because I’m a scoundrel. There aren’t enough scoundrels in your life.

Leia: I happen to like nice men.

Han: I’m a nice man.

Leia: No, you’re not… [as she kisses Han]

How appropriate that ID proponents (the “scoundrels” if you will) are winning the hearts and minds of the public.

Gaaaa...The ID movement is trying to get into my pants.  I think I'm going to be sick...

But wait, there's more!

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Was it only 538 ago that judge John E. Jones’ kangaroo court ruled that criticisms of Darwin in the science classroom were unconstitutiona?


Life was so much simpler when UD's "humor" consisted of fart noises...

Date: 2007/06/11 22:56:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 11 2007,22:44)
how can you tell the difference?

everything they say sounds like fart noises to me.

True, but those fart noise are so much more tolerable when enhanced by the Rembrandt of flash animation

Date: 2007/06/11 23:17:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
If Sal's gonna be quoting from sci fi movies, here's one that should be relevant.


Okay, so I'm definitely not the Rembrandt of Photoshop...

Date: 2007/06/18 22:38:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ptaylor @ June 18 2007,19:53)
The ICON-RIDS site has been updated to reflect all the hubbub.

(Now to go and find this has already been noted elsewhere - c'est la vie)

Has anyone tried to leave a comment on his blog? I see that he moderates comments... I'm wondering if anyone dropped off an invitation.

BTW, the "Enter the Klone" post is pretty entertaining, too.

Date: 2007/06/18 22:55:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Doc Bill @ June 18 2007,22:45)
Behe goes into a bar and orders a Zombie.

The bartender looks at him and says, "Sorry, Dembski left 10 minutes ago."

William Dembski, Sal Cordova and Denyse O'Leary walk into a bar.

The bartender says, "What is this, some kind of joke?"

Date: 2007/06/19 01:44:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ June 19 2007,00:37)
Michael Behe walks into a bar, orders a beer, and tries to pick a chick up. And she doesn't withdraw, which is encouraging, so he asks her her name.

"Carmen. It's not my real name, but I like cars, and I like men, so I changed it."

"That's pretty. You know, I renamed myself just now," says Behe.

"Oh, really? To what?" she asks.

"Beersex." :)  Smooth.

Okay, I didn't want to do this, but this one has provoked me... (note to mods: Feel free to delete this or move it to The Bathroom Wall if it crosses any boundaries.)

DaveScot walks into a bar and sits at the counter. Other than the bartender, the only other person in the place is Denyse O'Leary, perched on a stool at the opposite end of the bar.

"Hey barkeep," hollers DS, "get me a beer and get that douchebag at the end of the bar whatever she wants."

The bartender is offended: "Listen, mister, this is a respectable establishment; if you want to talk like that, you can take your business elsewhere."

Rolling his eyes, DS says to the bartender, "Fine, fine. "Please get me a beer, and get that 'lady' at the end of the bar whatever she wants."

The bartender gets Dave his beer and then approaches Denyse O'Leary. "Excuse me, ma'am; that gentleman at the end of the bar would like to buy you a drink. What would you like?"

"I'll have a vinegar & water."

Date: 2007/06/24 01:37:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 24 2007,01:01)
Quote (Bob O'H @ June 24 2007,00:22)
 
Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2007,14:08)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....omments

   
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NoeticGuru

06/22/2007

8:05 pm

I wouldn’t stop there, even. This goes far beyond physics and biology, and shows up in sociology as well.

Whether they realize it or not, secular humanists believe in teleology. They like to think of human society as “evolving” in a kind of way that leads to progress.

How that’s not teleology is beyond me.


I'm sure it is.

Hey, look, our own Bob O'H is over there:

Yeah, I was bored, so I thought I'd yank Sal's chain a bit and see what fell out.  A mixed metaphor, apparently.

Anyway, it seems like I/we were wrong about Noetic Guru.  He's not on our side seems

sa he appeared to be, but is genuine 100% tard.  Lovers of woo will enjoy his blog.

Bob

What a nugget! His blog is priceless, though.

I love the post about a Tostitos commercial.

How the hell can flour tortillas be made from "GMO Corn"?

Date: 2007/06/25 18:16:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ June 25 2007,13:22)
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WD: The work itself is immensely satisfying and intellectually stimulating. Moreover, I see those who seek to shut it down as intolerant dogmatists who encapsulate a tyranny that I despise. So I get to see myself as both a scientific researcher and as a freedom fighter—a rare combination.

Oddly enough, I could see PZ saying exactly the same thing.

Bob

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you actually have to do scientific research before you can see yourself as a scientific researcher?

... or does figuring out where to put fart noises in flash animations constitute scientific research?

Date: 2007/06/25 19:52:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ June 25 2007,18:35)
From Joe Gallien:

 
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the majority of evolutionists are evolutionists because some alleged majority of scientists accept the theory of evolution and Common Descent. And that is just a sad position to hold.

But the problem is these same sheep also feel it is necessary to misrepresent all alternatives to their belief just so they feel OK about blindly following strangers.


I'm stupefied, utterly speechless.

From here.

I always forget that Joe Gallien is the Artist Formerly Known as John Paul/Cool Hand Luke. I remember him from the OCW and NAIG boards, where he was a constant source of amusement.

Date: 2007/06/26 19:16:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I'd like to nominate R.O.T.O.R.; calling it a low-buget rip-off of The Terminator and RoboCop doesn't begin to do this "film" justice. It's amazing that Joel, Crow and Tom Servo never got their hands on this one.

If you need a token kaiju flick, I'd like to nominate War of the Gargantuas, if only for the song, "The Words Get Stuck In My Throat".

Date: 2007/06/26 19:51:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 26 2007,19:42)
Quote (Mister DNA @ June 26 2007,19:16)
I'd like to nominate R.O.T.O.R.; calling it a low-buget rip-off of The Terminator and RoboCop doesn't begin to do this "film" justice. It's amazing that Joel, Crow and Tom Servo never got their hands on this one.

If you need a token kaiju flick, I'd like to nominate War of the Gargantuas, if only for the song, "The Words Get Stuck In My Throat".

ooh War of the Gargantuans brings back childhood memories...

I suppose we should consider all the old Toho movies, for that matter.

oh, and now you've upped the anti with that link to the you tube of the song.

I'm going to have to spend time tomorrow searching YouTube (or whatever it is now) for clips from my favs.

Of all the Toho kaiju flicks, War of the Gargantuas seems to make the biggest impression on kids. I remember seeing dozens of Godzilla movies at the Saturday matinee, but none of them stuck in my head the way that War of the Gargantuas did. For years, if it showed up on TV, I'd get a call from one of my brothers and even if it was on at 3am, we'd stay up and watch it. Fortunately, my older brother found a copy on DVD and we can watch it at leisure.

Incidentally, "The Words Get Stuck in My Throat" used to be a part of DEVO's live show.

Date: 2007/06/26 20:04:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 26 2007,19:34)
Quote (improvius @ June 26 2007,19:04)
Hell Comes to Frogtown (1987)

-Post-apocalyptic world
-"Rowdy" Roddy Piper plays the lead
-he actually fights people in rubber frog costumes.

He did another sci-fi film in the . . . early 80's, I think it was . . . called "They Live".  It was actually very good commie propaganda  ;)  but had abysmal effects, a horrid soundtrack, and an interminable five-hour-long-plus (it seemed) fight scene.

They Live is one of my favorite sci-fi movies. Yes, it's cheesy, but it has one of the all-time greatest lines in cinematic history:

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum."

Date: 2007/06/26 20:13:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 26 2007,20:01)
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Incidentally, "The Words Get Stuck in My Throat" used to be a part of DEVO's live show.


I'm going to have you do a presentation on that during one of the intermissions.

one of my favorite bands doing a take on the epitiome of Toho-style silliness.

I'm tearing up just thinking about it.

If you haven't heard it, here ya go. This is the studio version. Somewhere I have a live bootleg from the early 80s where Mark Mothersbaugh starts dropping some ridiculous Woodstock-era dialogue, like "We dig where your heads are at, people!" during the song. I'll have to see if I can dig it up...

Date: 2007/06/26 20:26:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I remember seeing Frogs at the drive in on a double bill with Joan Crawford's final film, the truly abyssmal Trog. I haven't thought about Trog in ages... damnit. If I remember correctly, it makes Eegah look like art.

Date: 2007/06/26 21:34:39, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 26 2007,21:05)
horror/sci fi that INCLUDES porn is OK, like:

Lair of the White Worm

Porn that has a sci-fi theme doesn't qualify.

though one might get confused when looking at the keywords associated with 'White Worm':

Disturbing  / Bizarre  / Gagged And Bound  / Christian Horror  / Possession

hey, I swear I didn't write those myself.

Oh god, Amanda Donohoe was so hot in that movie. I watched it with a girlfriend years ago and she got pissed when I kept rewinding the scene where Amanda spits venom on the crucifix...

For years, I thought that The Pogues were in this movie, but it was just some Pogues clones.

It's been years since I saw From Beyond, but I recall it having a lot of erotic elements. Not near as good as its predecessor, The Re-Animator, and sadly unavailable on DVD...

Date: 2007/06/26 22:14:02, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (jujuquisp @ June 26 2007,21:52)
A great movie that I'm surprised no one mentioned is "Monkey Shines" by George Romero.  I thought it was one of the cheesiest storylines I had seen in a while, but it was highly entertaining.  Basically, it's "cripple guy" vs. "love-sick monkey".  Another monkey horror movie that I thought was a ridiculous waste of time was "Link".  Don't bother watching it for any kind of entertainment value.  It's about a killer orangutan butler that is far from scary or funny or any worthwhile emotion.  I was just plain dumb with absolutely NO redeeming value at all.

True Story: In the late 80s, I worked at a hotel that specialized in extended stays - we got a lot of theatre people there and Stephen Root stayed there as part of the cast of Driving Miss Daisy. The program listed Monkey Shines as one of Root's movie credits, and one day I asked him what it was like working for George Romero and he said George was a great guy, adding:

"This is my imitation of George Romero getting angry: (whispers) 'Stephen, we're going to have to shoot that scene again.'".

When Stephen Root was on News Radio, I used to tell people, "Hey, I've met him in real life" and no one was ever impressed. But when I say, "I've met Milton from Office Space", people are impressed...

While working at the hotel, I also met Penn & Teller - both are great guys.

Date: 2007/06/26 22:36:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ichthyic @ June 26 2007,22:22)
Basket Case

 
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Charming country bumpkin Duane Bradley takes a motel room in New York with no other luggage then a basket. In a flash back-series we learn it contains his surgically removed Siamese twin who is not only physically deformed so badly the doctors hesitated to consider him a human, but is also the vindictive drive of their trip, with the purpose to kill off all those he blames.


a long time favorite I often show during Halloween film marathons

IIRC, there was even a sequel...


after a couple of weeks, I'll cobble together the list of absolute favorites in separate post.

Oh yeah, Basket Case is a classic.

If you're into pure, uncut gore, check out Takashi Miike's Imprint from the Masters of Horror series. It was the only episode that Showtime refused to air. It's definitely a tip of the hat to Basket Case.

Another straight-up bad horror flick that is overlooked is Street Trash. It almost doesn't qualify as a bad movie, because parts of it are intentionally hilarious, but when the plot involves a cheap wine manufactured by the government as a means to eradicate the homeless population, how can it not be bad?

Date: 2007/06/26 23:40:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (jujuquisp @ June 26 2007,23:26)
I also highly recommend any movie starring Arch Hall Jr.  There is even a compilation out of his "greatest hits":
http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Gu....&sr=1-1

You haven't experienced life until you've experienced an Arch Hall Jr. movie.  If you need any more information about him, let me know.

I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I actually own 3 Arch Hall Jr movies on DVD (Wild Guitar, Nasty Rabbit and The Sadist).

The Sadist is, IMO, a pretty damned good movie. I also enjoyed Wild Guitar, because of Ray Dennis Steckler.

Date: 2007/06/27 00:42:25, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,00:36)
There are some who think that Larry Phlemandbagel is dangerous crazy, but I think it's Joe Gallien who is the truly dangerous nut case.

Didn't Joe G./John Paul get fired (or in trouble with his employer, at least) when it was discovered he was using the computer at work in order to harass his opponents?

I wish I had more details, but I think it happened at the NAIG or OCW boards and it was this incident that "outed" John Paul as Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.

Date: 2007/06/27 01:01:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ June 27 2007,00:47)
 
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Joe Gallien, who had previously been pretending to be a Muslim.


Oh, I must have links to this.  He would make the worst Muslim-impersonator evah!!!

I wish I could unearth something a little more tangible, but the only relevant link I could find was from the comments at his own blog, and that traces back to AtBC:
 
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Joseph is actually Joe Gallien, a moronic legend in the C/E discussion world and a Tard’s Tard if ever there were one. His exploits include:

Claimed to be a qualified “scientist” because he has a Bachelor of Science, Engineer Technology degree.
Claimed to be a Muslim so people wouldn’t call him a YEC
Got caught using an anonymizer and posting under *dozens* of multiple aliases so he could agree with himself and pat himself on the back
Claimed that there are alien cities on Mars and the Moon


I'm sure there are some regs here who used to be active at the NAIG boards back in the day; they could give you more details, I'm sure. I'm almost positive it was NAIG where he got outed, because John Stear was able to trace his IP address.

For the record, you're correct; he was a lousy Muslim impersonator. His schtick was basically this:

someone would say, "You bloody fundies and your YEC..." and John Paul would respond with something along the lines of, "You narrow-minded Darwinists! Sure, I regurgitate arguments from ICR, AIG and several other Christian websites, but I'm a Muslim, so there!"

Date: 2007/06/27 19:48:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 27 2007,19:29)
Quote (carlsonjok @ June 27 2007,18:29)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 27 2007,18:12)
Phhh. God Hates Texas. He looks and see's so many tards and gets his smite on.

Well, they do say that it is so windy in Oklahoma because Texas blows and Kansas sucks.   :D

I am told they tell this joke in Oklahoma:

Q: How many Texans can you fit in a phone booth?
A: Twenty, but you have to beat the bullshit out of them first.

I'm a Texan, so I can get away with these jokes...

Q: What's the definition of a Texas gentleman?

A: Someone who removes the dishes from the sink before he pees in it.


Q: What's the definition of a real Texan?

A: A Mexican on his way to Oklahoma.


and now, a gratuitous Oklahoma joke...

Q: Why is the drinking age 25 in Oklahoma?

A: To keep alcohol out of the elementary schools.

Date: 2007/06/27 19:50:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Joe G./John Paul, more than any other creationist, reminds me of Martin Short's character, lawyer Nathan Thurm. A lot of creationists remind me of that character, but no one gives off that "I knew that! What makes you think I wouldn't know that?!?" vibe like Joe G.

Date: 2007/06/28 21:04:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 28 2007,17:53)
Quote (RF Brady @ June 28 2007,16:34)
There was a 1954 classic called "Them" about ants that were exposed to atomic bomb radiation and mutated to gigantic size. It starred James Whitmore and James Arness (Marshall Dillon from "Gunsmoke"). In addition to the usual hero stuff as they burned Them up with flame throwers, the movie provides an interesting commentary on 1950's era male chauvinism.  :p

But that is a brilliant film.

Therefore, it doesn't count.

I gotta concur; Them might be horribly dated by today's standards, but it's a classic.

James Arness was also the monster in the original The Thing - the John Carpenter remake is one of my favorites.

Date: 2007/06/30 00:27:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ June 29 2007,23:34)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 29 2007,13:34)
"Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top number and make that a little louder?"

[pause]

"These go to eleven."

that scene really just perfectly embodies that kind of obliviousness.

 
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Nigel:  This is a top to a, you know, what we use on stage, but it's
       very...very special because if you can see...
Marty:  Yeah...
Nigel:  ...the numbers all go to eleven.  Look...right across the board.
Marty:  Ahh...oh, I see....
Nigel:  Eleven...eleven...eleven....
Marty:  ...and most of these amps go up to ten....
Nigel:  Exactly.
Marty:  Does that mean it's...louder?  Is it any louder?
Nigel:  Well, it's one louder, isn't it?  It's not ten.  You see,
       most...most blokes, you know, will be playing at ten.  You're on ten
       here...all the way  up...all the way up....
Marty:  Yeah....
Nigel:  ...all the way up.  You're on ten on your guitar...where can you go
       from there?  Where?
Marty:  I don't know....
Nigel:  Nowhere.  Exactly.  What we do is if we need that extra...push over
       the cliff...you know what we do?
Marty:  Put it up to eleven.
Nigel:  Eleven.  Exactly.  One louder.
Marty:  Why don't you just make ten louder and make ten be the top...
       number...and make that a little louder?
Nigel:  ...these go to eleven.

This deserves a visual aid...

Date: 2007/07/16 21:30:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ July 16 2007,21:07)
you tard gourmands will enjoy this.

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/6408.html

The Swankster has provided some Grade A tard over the years.

Date: 2007/07/26 17:25:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ July 26 2007,12:51)
Found this on PZ's site.


Bloody hell.

Hmmm... I guess proofthatreligionistsliketoplaysillywordgames.com was already taken.

Date: 2007/09/02 20:44:29, Link
Author: Mister DNA
The folks at UD could use some lessons on how to write a formal letter.

Date: 2007/09/03 21:18:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Sep. 03 2007,20:55)
What the hell is the Lifeworks foundation anyway?  A google search seems to bring it up mainly as a patron of the arts.

Doesn't "street theater" qualify as the Arts?

Date: 2007/09/04 20:22:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Sep. 04 2007,19:45)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 04 2007,18:43)
OT: Whence originated the "!!!11!!1111!!" meme?  And why does it amuse?

;) Leetspeak, Overexclamation!!11!one!11!!

Back in the glory days of Usenet, it was standard practice in alt.fan.karl-malden.nose to add extraneous "1"s whenever using exclamation points.

This practice was immortalized in the infamous BARNEY RAPED MY FAMILY!!!1! cascade. (Warning: probably NSFW, even though it's text-only).

Date: 2007/09/10 09:48:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 10 2007,09:07)
Although I am ~completely~ against bringing up lawsuits due to these little squeemishes over what can and cannot be considered science, I couldn't think of a person more deserving of being the target of one than PZ.

FTK's vocabulary: definitely not for the skirmish.

Date: 2007/09/21 11:22:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
If ID Were a Rock Band

They wouldn't write their own songs or record albums  - they'd take snippets from other people's songs/records and use them as "proof" that all the other bands suck and ID is the greatest band on earth.

They wouldn't do live shows, either. Instead, they'd get up on stage and talk about how great their songs are and how awesome their upcoming album is going to be.

There would be a big announcement that Geffen is going to be releasing and promoting their upcoming album and they will provide links to Geffen's website as evidence. But it would turn out that some guy in Geffen's IT dep't had put the page up on his own initiative.

We all know what happens when the bigwigs at Geffen make him take down the website...

Date: 2007/09/21 13:08:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 21 2007,12:54)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Sep. 21 2007,11:22)
If ID Were a Rock Band

They wouldn't write their own songs or record albums  - they'd take snippets from other people's songs/records and use them as "proof" that all the other bands suck and ID is the greatest band on earth.

They wouldn't do live shows, either. Instead, they'd get up on stage and talk about how great their songs are and how awesome their upcoming album is going to be.

Wait a minute!  I think Todd Snider wrote about this in his song Talkin' Seattle Grunge Rock Blues.

Hmmm.... I guess it's no coincidence that the Disco Institute is headquartered in Seattle.

Date: 2007/10/07 21:30:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
My local paper, the Corpus Christi Caller-Times has had a rash of anti-evolution letters lately in response to a recent editorial about creationists on the Texas BOE. This gem appeared today:

 
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Just a theory

In reference to a letter written to the editor on Darwin's theory of evolution: Anyone who has ever studied science will tell you that a theory is just a theory until it is proven fact through further experimentation.

The theory was never meant to be a test for the creation of life on this earth. There are theories out there that if the dinosaurs had not died out when the great asteroid that hit the earth millions of years ago, they would not have evolved further in the chain.

All Darwin did was study the turtles of the Galapagos Islands and how they managed to survive in such a harsh environment, with very little fresh water. He found the tortoise through time had developed a water bag under their shell to store fresh water needed for their survival. Through adaptation, the species have learned to survive in their chosen environment.

The theory was never meant to be a test for the creation of life on Earth. It still takes a male sperm and a female egg to create life of any species. So far, no one has been able to create a sperm or an egg through science in the laboratory. I wasn't there at the time of creation, so I tend to believe in the creator of life -- God -- who put order throughout the universe.

Jesse Moreno

(Battle Creek, MI)


As anti-evolution letters to the editor go, this is pretty much par for the course for our local rag; the only thing missing is a Piltdown Man reference. Anyway, here is my response:

 
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In his letter of October 7, Jesse Moreno claims that “…a theory is just a theory until it is proven fact through further experimentation”. The phrase “just a theory” is too often thrown around by those who deny evolutionary theory, as if the word “theory” in the scientific sense is the same as a guess or a hunch.

Should the US Navy scrap all of its nuclear-powered submarines because atomic theory is “just a theory”? Should doctors no longer be required to sterilize their instruments because germ theory is “just a theory”? Should creationism and its city cousin, Intelligent Design, be taught in science classes because evolution is “just a theory”? Creationism and Intelligent Design don’t even pass the “just a theory” test.

Furthermore, Mr. Moreno is woefully mistaken when he claims that it “still takes a male sperm and female egg to create life of any species”. Millions of species – including multicellular organisms - reproduce asexually.


There's a 200 word limit, and I managed to finish with 43 words to spare. There's so much tard in that letter that it was tempting to go over the limit...

Anyway, it would be nice if AtBC had a sort of "response squad" for letters to the editor - if anyone would like to respond, there's an online form here or you can send it snail mail to this address:

Letters to the Editor
Corpus Christi Caller-Times
P.O. Box 9136
Corpus Christi, TX
78469

Date: 2007/10/08 05:25:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 07 2007,23:05)
Did this Jesse Moreno think Darwin's trip was last month or something, so that scientists haven't had time to check it out yet? Also, he forgot the finches and iguanas.

Henry

The 200 word limit kept me from expounding on that. I would have liked to have told him that there's been a few developments in the theory since 1859...

Maybe he gets his news from Overwhelming Evidence...

Date: 2007/10/15 09:13:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
My letter was published last Friday - minus the last paragraph...

In today's paper, there was a letter from one Howard West with the quote:

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Additionally, Darwin did a great deal more than study tortoises on the Galapagos Islands. His conclusions were based on observations made on a five-year cruise around the world on a British naval vessel.


I wonder if he read Henry J's post...

Date: 2007/10/18 08:03:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 18 2007,07:57)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 18 2007,07:45)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 18 2007,07:13)
I suspect he's in a room, in a straightjacket, typing with his nose.

If he's typing those voluminous screeds with his nose, I've even more impressed with BA77's abilities than I was before!

Yes indeed!  And I suspect most of us do not want to visualize what it takes for him to use the Shift/Caps key either.

The Ways Of The Lord Designer are often mysterious, but seldom pleasant.

He must violate SNoT every time he types a sentence...

Date: 2007/10/19 10:13:29, Link
Author: Mister DNA
My current top 5:

1) The Third Man
2) Fritz Lang's M
3) Robocop
4) The Big Lebowski
5) The Manchurian Candidate (the original, of course)

Lately I've been getting into a lot of Korean cinema - there's some really good stuff coming out of there these days. There's a lot to enjoy about Korean films... if you're turned off by Takashi Miike-style ultra-violence, there's not a lot of gore in Korean movies (with the exception of Oldboy, which is based on a Japanese manga), but there is a definite undercurrent of subversion.

Also, apparently there's only about a dozen actors in Korea, so if you've seen one Korean movie, the next one you see will have at least one "Hey! It's that guy!" moment.

JSA (Joint Security Area) is a murder thriller set in the DMZ on the North/South Korean border. They're actually making an American version which will take place on the US/Mexican border - if you've seen JSA, you'll know this isn't going to work.

Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance/Oldboy/Lady Vengeance: After the success of JSA, director Chan-Wook Park was given free reign to do the movies he wanted, and he made this trilogy of films dealing with revenge. Oldboy gets the most notoriety (the hero eats a live octopus, among other things), but it's my least favorite. Although it's a trilogy, each film is self-contained, so there's no need to watch them in any specific order. Note: these aren't "Kill Bill" style revenge movies; sure, there's bats and hammers placed firmly against craniums, but these films deal strongly with the psychological motivations and consequences of revenge.

Memories of Murder: based on Korea's first serial killer who was active from 1985-1991, two cops struggle against each other's methods for catching the killer - one cop prefers western methods (profiling, forensics, etc) while the other cop is decidedly old-school; he utilizes psychics, magic charms and lots of torture.

The Host: This is sort of Korea's "Star Wars" - it's the most successful movie in Korean history, and it's a lot of fun. A monster rises up out of the Han river and begins dining on tourists. An extremely dysfunctional family must fight against the monster and the government in order to rescue one of their own. The monster is CGI-animated, but it is very well done - its biggest scene is in broad daylight and it's very impressive.

Save the Green Planet: An unemployed factory worker and his plump, tightrope-walking girlfriend kidnap an executive in order to ward off the impending invasion from Andromeda. I think this movie would appeal to a lot of AtBC readers, because it deals with a lot of whacked-out pseudoscience (there's a great reference to 2001: A Space Oddysey in one scene).

Date: 2007/10/19 10:23:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 19 2007,08:04)
You picked my favourite scene, with my favourite line, of all time, anywhere:

[...]

Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.

Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

I've bolded the relevant bit.

[...]

Louis

You're right, that is one of the all-time classic lines from one of the all-time classic scenes.

Unfortunately, that line has also become our govt's foreign policy.

Date: 2007/10/19 14:43:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (improvius @ Oct. 19 2007,13:48)
Mister DNA, have you seen My Wife is a Gangster?  If you like Korean films, this is an excellent comedy.  Also, A Tale of Two Sisters is a good psychological horror/suspense flick that is very light on blood and gore.

I will definitely have to check out The Host.  The wife and I watch lots of Asian films - especially sci-fi and horror, so I'm surprised I haven't seen that one yet.

Thanks for the tips, Improvius. I added A Tale of Two Sisters to my Netflix queue, but alas, My Wife is a Gangster is not available... although its sequel is (I hate when they do that).

If you're into Asian horror, have you seen Three... Extremes? It's a trilogy of horror shorts from Hong Kong (Fruit Chan), Japan (Takashi Miike) and Korea (Chan-Wook Park). Not too bad - the first segment, "Dumplings" was especially creepy.

Also... have you seen 2LDK? It's about two roommates - actresses up for the same part - whose petty resentments against one another reach a boiling point. It's a little over an hour long and it's basically a live-action Itchy & Scratchy cartoon.

Date: 2007/10/19 18:10:25, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 19 2007,17:33)
No "Friday-meltdown" from Dembski.  ???  :angry:

Dembski's busy this weekend. I heard he borrowed DT's pickup truck so that he could move all that lab equipment from Baylor to EIL's new facility.

I wonder... how many trips it will take?

Date: 2007/10/20 14:08:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (improvius @ Oct. 19 2007,16:36)
We have 3 Extremes on the shelf here, but for whatever reason it keeps getting pushed back whenever we want to watch something.  We have a huge backlog of films yet to be watched.  Maybe we'll finally get to it this Halloween.  We watch a lot of anime, but we like to mix it up with other stuff once in a while.  Right now we're going through the Heroes series on DVD.  We recently watched Curse of the Golden Flower, which I would give about a 3/5.  Visually, it was stunning.  But the story dragged a bit.  The trailers make it look like an action flick, when it's really more of a drama.  I thought Hero was a much better film.

I'll have to look for 2LDK, that sounds good.

Just so you know, MWIaG 2 is not nearly as good as the first one.  It's really an excellent film and worth hunting down if you like Korean films at all.

I agree with you on Curse of the Golden Flower; I'm a big Kurosawa fan and while Curse looked good, it paled in comparison to Ran.

Hero wasn't bad, but I didn't like the narrative. Not that it confused me... I just thought it wasn't an effective way to identify with Jet Li's character.

I like Chinese action movies (Iron Monkey, Once Upon a Time In China, etc) and I'll settle for a truly crappy story and lousy acting if the action is on a pornographic level of... say, Tony Jaa's Ong Bak or The Protector but when it comes to Asian drama, I prefer the Japanese costume dramas - Twighlight Samurai has only two fight scenes, and one of those is with a wooden sword, but it's a very powerful film..

I'm just now getting into Anime - my rule of thumb with Netflix is to get one American movie, one foreign film and one Anime disc. I rented Samurai 7 and wound up buying the box set, and I just finished Samurai Champloo - this week I start the Read or Die series.

Date: 2007/10/20 15:49:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 20 2007,14:10)
I've always liked "The Sound of Music".... :)  :)  :)

My problem with The Sound of Music has always been the inexplicable lack of dancing zombies. Fortunately, that's been rectified.

Date: 2007/10/22 13:38:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Here's another Waterloo image ripe for photoshopping:



l-r: WA Dembski, Denyse O'Leary, Sal Cordova, DT

Date: 2007/10/23 11:55:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Oct. 23 2007,11:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 23 2007,11:28)
Not many bac. flag.s recently though. Ooops, they're not I.C.

Bac Flag?  I thought they broke up back in the 80's.


It would be great if Behe & Dembski would write more about Black Flag and less about bac. flag., but alas, Black Flag was not Irreducibly Complex - by the time they released their second album, Greg Ginn was the only original member.

OT Part: I'm with you, Hermagoras; Damaged is a great album - I used to have the original issue on vinyl... it had a sticker on it with a quote - supposedly from a record company executive - claiming, "As a parent, I find this an anti-parent record".

Date: 2007/10/26 13:23:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 26 2007,11:02)
To cap off the evening, Society members will experience a short, exclusive film preview for insiders only. :O (No doubt the Designer was caught on tape.)

I'm guessing it was the Director's Cut of The Judge Jones School of Law.

Date: 2007/10/26 13:35:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 26 2007,13:29)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Oct. 26 2007,19:23)
Quote (olegt @ Oct. 26 2007,11:02)
To cap off the evening, Society members will experience a short, exclusive film preview for insiders only. :O (No doubt the Designer was caught on tape.)

I'm guessing it was the Director's Cut of The Judge Jones School of Law.

Is that the one where Dembski and Behe are lying under a glass coffee table whilst Denyse and DaveScot squa....

Ok, I've just disgusted myself.

Not good.

Louis

You were gonna say "square dance", right?

That is disgusting.

Date: 2007/10/26 18:28:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 26 2007,12:19)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2007,18:15)
 
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 26 2007,12:10)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2007,17:58)
I'm thinking that I had the offensive material in a nested quote. My stuff was all sparkling clean, like always. You melon farmers.

Oh yeah? Well fop you, you motley fopper. You're a fopping pedrophile. Stop your hanking.

Louis

AtBC is brought to you today by TBS. The overdubbed action station.

My favourite example of overdubbing was in an ITV afternoon showing of "Die Hard" in which Bruce Willis' character utters the immortal line:

"Yippie ki yay, muddy funster!"

A classic.

Louis

I've never tried to watch The Big Lebowski on network TV but I'm tempted to, just to hear John Goodman say, "This is what happens when you meet a stranger in the alps!"

Mister Show with Bob & David did a great parody of Goodfellas as shown on network television.

Date: 2007/10/26 19:16:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 26 2007,19:00)
I love this demonstration of what gay marriage will lead to.

That was one of the classic episodes - that sketch segued into God (as Robert Evans) reading his autobiography on tape, then a parody of those crappy Discovery Channel woo-fests, Monster Parties: Fact or Fiction?

Date: 2007/10/28 15:41:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
That's a great list, Arden. I'm compelled to expound on some of your entries.

 
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L.A. Confidential

The best film noir crime movie ever made, and the only good film version of any James Ellroy book. Everyone shines in this, Spacey, Pearce, Crowe, Cromwell especially. For non-Californians, a very good gutter level view of what LA is *really* like, and just how fucked up the place was in the 1950's. A warning, this is a very dense 2.5-hour boiling down of an extremely-dense 450-page book, so a LOT happens. PS, the book is even better.


A fantastic movie. My only complaint was that they injected a chunk of Ellroy's The Big Nowhere into the plot, meaning we probably won't see that one make it to the big screen. Incidentally, the movie version of Brown's Requiem wasn't that bad; nowhere near as bad as The Black Dahlia, which was damn near unwatchable.

 
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Office Space

The definitive statement on what it's *really* like to waste your life in a stupid office job. Good thing I hadn't seen this during the last office job I had, I would have had an even worse attitude than I did. Worth it for the neighbor Lawrence alone.


A great soundtrack, too - "Damn it Feels Good to be a Gangsta" and "Still", the latter being used to great effect when justice is meted out upon a certain printer. If anything, Office Space deserves credit for relegating the real Michael Bolton's career to a hilarious pop culture reference.

 
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Goodfellas

What can I say? Joe Pesci's definitive performance. He even upstages DeNiro.

Another outstanding soundtrack. What other movies features someone getting stomped to death to the strains of Donovan's "Atlantis"? "Hey, Tommy, if I was gonna break your balls, I'd tell you to go home and get your shine box."

 
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Big Lebowski

Possibly the funniest movie ever made. Worth it for Goodman alone.


If not the funniest, easily one of the most quotable movies ever made. "Leads, yeah, sure. I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab, they've got four more detectives working on the case. They got us working in shifts! Leads! "

 
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Point Blank

One of Lee Marvin's finest, filmed in a strangely empty San Francisco in 1965. Dreamlike, leaving you lots to debate afterwards.


I've got this in my Netflix queue because I've been on a John Boorman kick lately. Excalibur, The Emerald Forest, The General... all great films. I've always wanted to see Point Blank because the Mel Gibson remake wasn't half bad (Other than the first two Mad Max movies, Payback is the only other Mel Gibson film I enjoyed.)

 
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Das Boot, long version

Apallingly realistic. Tragic, doom-laden. Disconcerting when you realize you're rooting for a bunch of actual Nazis.


Das Boot set the bar for submarine movies; it has yet to be topped.

 
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The Good, the Bad, the Ugly

A very funny movie. Being as it was made by Italians, it was one of the first westerns to dump the image of the west as some clean, White, Protestant paradise. Worth it for Eli Wallach alone.


Agreed... Eli Wallach steals the show. The movie is beautifully filmed, but it's easy to overlook the great script. The running "there's two kinds of people" gag and "God is not on our side because He hates idiots also" are great lines (although the latter doesn't appear to be true). And as iconic as the theme music is, the piece used in the cemetery climax, "The Ecstasy of Gold", is one of my favorite pieces of film music.

Date: 2007/10/28 19:47:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 28 2007,16:58)
Even worse news is that the people who own the rights to the LA Confidential screenplay (guess it ain't Ellroy) have indicated that they will not allow the characters of Ed Exley and Dudley Smith to appear in the planned film version of White Jazz. Considering that Exley and Smith are CRUCIAL characters in WJ, that should fuck up the movie pretty thoroughly (if it ever comes out).

I'm a bit apprehensive about White Jazz coming to the big screen. In addition to the problem you mentioned, Joe Carnahan is slated to direct; this could go either way. On the plus side, Carnahan wrote and directed Narc, which kicked ass - imagine Ray Liotta playing Bud White, and that's Narc. On the minus side, Carnahan wrote and directed Smokin' Aces, which I thought was horrible.

Carnahan is also on board to bring Killing Pablo to the big screen. That was an astounding book; highly recommended.

Date: 2007/10/30 17:16:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 30 2007,13:56)
Thanks to one Dave S for reminding us of this gem from the "the Darwinists are herding us all into concentration camps!" school of ID:

   
Quote

20 April 2006

The New Downtrodden
DaveScot


When they came for the creation scientists,
I remained silent;
I was not a creation scientist.

When they locked up the abortion protesters,
I remained silent;
I was not an abortion protester.

When they came for the intelligent design theorists,
I did not speak out;
I was not an intelligent design theorist.

When they came for the strongly religious,
I did not speak out;
I was not strongly religious.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


Fittingly, the VERY FIRST comment sports a boldfaced DaveTard banning.

When they came for the dumbshits,
I went along quietly;
I was a dumbshit.

DT really needs to follow that one up with his own version of Footprints.

He asked, "Why Lord, in my most troubling times, were there only one set of footprints?"

So I banned him.

Date: 2007/10/30 17:21:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Oct. 30 2007,17:16)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 30 2007,15:03)
There's been a lot of strange things reported today, like Larry Fafarman's Kind Confederate b.s....

Link?

Here ya go. (At FtK's blog, no less)

Date: 2007/10/31 02:04:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 31 2007,01:35)
Mister DNA - Remove that post, and repost it next Monday.  Win 'Post of The Week' and 'Dembski of the Week' in one go!

Bob

Better yet, if I remove it, repost it and add the following:

   
Quote (snoeman @ Oct. 30 2007,22:23)
Post of the Week

and:
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 31 2007,01:35)
Mister DNA - 'Post of The Week' and 'Dembski of the Week' in one go!

Will you throw in "Cordova of the Week"?

If I repost it to richarddawkins.net, iidb, CARM and FStDT, will I get AFDave of the Week?

If I claim I'm being denied Post of the Week because you're all a bunch of mean ol' Darwinists, will I get FtK of the Week?

Seriously, to even be eligible for post of the week (which I agree - steve_h deserved it), I would have had to have done it more like this:
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He asked, "Why Lord, in my most troubling times, were there only one set of footprints?"

So I told him, Their was only one set of footprince because you're outta here, homo. - DS

Date: 2007/11/07 18:18:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Here's some more song suggestions:

Jimmy Cliff - The Tarder they Come
Judas Priest - Beyond the Realms of Tard
Little Richard - The Tard Can't Help It
Motorhead - Ace of Tards
Motorhead - We Are the Tard Crew
Motley Crue - Shout at the Darwin
Motley Crue - The Tard that Kills
Charlie Daniels - The Tard Went Down to Baylor
Ramones - Demsbki Says
AC/DC - For Those About to Tard (We Salute You)
Lee Dorsey (or DEVO) - Workin' in a Quote Mine

Date: 2007/11/07 18:37:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 07 2007,18:30)
 
Quote (lkeithlu @ Nov. 07 2007,18:20)
OOps I think that was Nazareth
My sister's favorite when  we were in Junior high

It was originally recorded by the Everly Brothers and was covered several times before Nazareth recorded it.  My personal favorite version is by Gram Parsons and Emmylou Harris, although I did see Nazareth perform it live back in the early 80s when they were opening for Billy Squier.

Yeah, Emmylou & Gram Parson's version is, IMO, the definitive version. Roy Orbison also recorded it.

Incidentally, it was written by Felice & Boudreaux Bryant who wrote most of the Everly Brothers' big hits (Bye Bye Love, Wake Up Little Susie, etc)

I'm not knocking Nazareth's version, though - Hair of the Dog is a great album.

Date: 2007/11/10 22:54:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 10 2007,21:28)
We have a book thread and a movie thread, and my recent comment about music videos makes me wonder, should we just consolidate it all into an Entertainment Thread?

I vote for a separate music thread... so we can continue the UD theme music game.

Date: 2007/11/12 03:14:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 12 2007,02:57)
Quote (jeffox @ Nov. 12 2007,03:54)
Alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling, etc., etc., it doesn't matter what they used to be addicted to.

'Cuz now they're all ADDICTED TO TARD!!!

We need to dig up those Robert Palmer/Bill Dembski photoshops from a while back.  Anyone remember where we left those?

I remember that image - the shock of seeing Denyse O'Leary's head pasted onto a woman's body is the stuff of nightmares.

Date: 2007/11/14 02:49:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I just finished watching and I gotta say, I really enjoyed it.

I liked the Tree of Life animation and I thought they did a great job of explaining the sciency stuff in layman's terms.

I even liked the courtroom reenactments; I love shows like Forensic Files* and City Confidential, so the poorly acted courtroom scenes were bonus, IMO.

Does anyone else besides me think that the lawyer from the PA ACLU looked a lot like David Patrick Kelly? (Culture Warriors, come out and plaaaaay-ay!)


I can't help but wonder what exactly were the DI's demands that weren't kosher will journalism standards? Did they demand that all of Judge Jones' segments have farty noises in the background?

* It's a shame - even with cameras being barred from the proceedings - that Court TV didn't cover Kitzmiller v. Dover; before the network became obsessed with celebrity trials, they used to feature some pretty interesting civil cases.

Date: 2007/11/14 03:36:39, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 14 2007,03:11)
Call me a facist but I think anyone who doesn't like Zappa should be killed. Painfully.

When the revolution comes there will be three questions:

1) Do you like the music of Frank Zappa? (with the obvious follow up questions to detect frauds)

One of those follow up questions would be: Which is your favorite Zappa lineup?

I'm partial to the Roxy & Elsewhere and One Size Fits All period, followed by the Flo & Eddie era, with the original Mothers of Invention lineup coming in third.

Oh yeah... count me among those whose hearing is too fucked to worry about high-end audio applications. I used to be in a surf instrumental band - the lack of a vocalist allowed us to play at Motorhead-levels of volume. It was fun at the time, but my right eardrum hates me today.

Date: 2007/11/14 13:45:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 14 2007,13:38)
I was thinking about cdesignproponentsists and wondered what other transitional forms we may find buried at other strata. Like:

- Gintelligentdesignerod

- Deteachthecontroversyception

- Rscienceligion

Others?

IsBillaac NewtDembskion

6 Th4.5 Billionousand years old

TaDave Springerrd

Date: 2007/11/15 14:43:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I bought a Hi Def TV a few months ago so that I'd get the most out of my XBox 360 - the difference between the component picture and HD picture is vividly noticeable.

You can download movies on the XBox 360; some of them in HD... I watched O Brother, Where Art Thou? in HD awhile back and although the image difference isn't as obvious as it is with video games, the picture still looked great.

I'm waiting until the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray wars are over before I start replacing my DVD collection, so the other day I bought an upconversion unit; the player was only 70 bucks - the friggin' HDMI cable was $50.

I watched Robocop yesterday and was really impressed with the quality. Robocop's suit looked absolutely amazing.

I've probably seen Robocop 50 times (no exaggeration) and yesterday it dawned on me: for a "futuristic" movie made in 1987, it's aged quite nicely. The only thing that really dates the movie is the ridiculous 80s shoulder pads in the women's clothes.

Date: 2007/11/15 15:22:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Damn, that PBS Forum has some quality Clueless Newbie-grade Tard going on.

Hopefully some of them *cough*Dedicatedstudent*cough* will eventually get tired of getting spanked and make the move to UD where they can learn from the masters and provide us with some Industrial Grade Tard.

The PBS Forum would benefit greatly from a Joe G. appearance...

Date: 2007/11/15 16:53:39, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 15 2007,16:35)
Hey, this wouldn't be Buckingham, would it?
 
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Id is not science, it's fact. Why do you keep slamming creationists? You are lost in need of a savior. Try Jesus!

Linky :D

Hmmm... there's a poster there with the nick "Truthisfree" whose name - according to his sig - is Rany Buckingham. Any relation?

Date: 2007/11/16 03:58:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Here's a treat for all you Zappa fans, especially fans of the really old stuff: two tracks from Larry "Wild Man" Fischer's 1968 debut album, An Evening with Wild Man Fischer (produced by FZ).

Larry & His Guitar
and
Circle

In order to get the full effect, download both mp3s and play them starting with "Larry & His Guitar" and let it segue into "Circle".

However, if you're familiar with Wild Man Fischer's other work and find it hard to consume, just download "Circle"; you won't be disappointed.

Date: 2007/11/16 08:31:00, Link
Author: Mister DNA
It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

Date: 2007/11/16 08:37:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Assassinator @ Nov. 16 2007,08:33)
Someone sad the show would be online on friday, is it there already and if so what's the site?

It's posted here in 12 chapters; you'll need Quicktime.

Date: 2007/11/16 09:47:10, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 16 2007,08:37)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 16 2007,08:31)
It must be Friday... Joe G has made an appearance at the PBS Forum.

This is gonna be great!

He has also announced his candidacy over at UD.

I think we need to resurrect the Joe G. Thread; this is definitely one to watch.

Let's hope Denyse O'Leary and Bornagain77 do his speech writing.

Date: 2007/11/20 07:37:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 20 2007,00:12)
That Robocop business up above got me thinking about movies that people have seen dozens of times. They're very rare. I've only seen two movies like that, myself. The director's cut of Blade Runner maybe a dozen times, and L.A. Story about twenty times. It's a Power Law distribution. You've got those, then you've got The Matrix at about 8 times, and Eddie Izzard: Dressed to Kill and The Definite Article and Star Wars and all the Bond movies and Office Space and Idiocracy maybe 4 times, and then a few dozen movies twice and several hundred once.

So Since that mention of Robocop I've been asking friends what movies they've seen a dozen or more times. So far I've heard

*Titanic
*I Heart Huckabees
*Total Recall

<snip>

People have asked me, "Why on earth would you want to see a movie more than once"? I always respond by asking them what their favorite song or painting is, then asking, "Why on earth would you want listen to or look at that more than once"?

There are several movies that I've seen more than 20 times - Animal House, This is Spinal Tap, Full Metal Jacket, Doctor Strangelove, Goodfellas, The Big Lebowski, John Carpenter's The Thing, the original Invasion of the Body Snatchers and Repo Man. That list is nowhere near complete, either.

I've see Eddie Izzard: Dressed to Kill about 10 times; the Englebert Humperdink bit and "He's a donut!" kill me every time.

Date: 2007/11/20 07:47:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 19 2007,09:42)
Apparently the trollfest is not keeping Joe G down...

(which one of you guys is Joseph?)

a good healthy dose of respect for the constitution:
 
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For me this has gotten personal. For example I think it is imbecilic to think one can either adjudicate or legislate what can and can’t be discussed in a public school’s science classroom.


and then some more

 
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(I still think that someone should bribe a teacher in Dover to discuss ID in the classroom. That is how Scopes got into the fray. Then ID gets back into the courtroom, this time without any religiously motivated school board.)


I get such a Pinky and the Brain vibe from IDiots. Their plans to defeat Evilution/Darwinism/Materialism never involve something like... oh, I dunno... research; it's always:

1) This press release will be the death of Darwinism!

2) We'll let 9th Grade biology students decide!

3) The mere existence of this "lab" will be a crushing defeat for materialism; we won't even need to do any research! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!one!eleventy!

4) As this flash animation demonstrates, judges aren't qualified to rule on whether or not ID is science.

Joe G's Bribe a Teacher Gambit is crazy. So crazy, it just might work!

Date: 2007/11/20 15:10:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Nov. 20 2007,15:03)
While we would all like Harvard to crush DI, I believe they are sending them a 'cease and desist' letter.  While this is not 'crushing', it means that the rest of us should keep our eyes out for this animation at any future presentation.  If they use it, email me or someone at PT, and we will get it to the proper authorities.

Friday is just a few days away... look for Dembski to post the names, addresses and phone numbers of Harvard's board of regents at UD.

I mean... we don't expect him to deal with this graciously, do we?

Date: 2007/11/20 16:07:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Nov. 20 2007,14:48)
I'm reminded of that moment in Airplane!:      
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Naive ID supporter: Let's have ID gain credibility by doing science.

Dembski/Behe/etc.: No!  That's just what they'll be expecting us to do!

The Date: December 20, 2005
The Place: A conference room at the Discovery Institute



Casey "D-Day" Luskin: War's over, man. Judge Jones dropped the big one.
Dave "Bluto" Scot: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the ACLU forced those marines to stop praying? Hell no!
Bill "Otter" Dembski: Marines?
Michael "Boon" Behe: Forget it, he's rolling.
Dave "Bluto" Scot: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard]
Dave "Bluto" Scot: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Dave "Bluto" Scot: What the fuck happened to the DI I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Dave, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Judge Jones, he's a dead man! Barbara Forrest, dead! Nick Matzke...
Bill "Otter" Dembski: Dead! DT's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with peer-reviewed research that could take years and cost millions of dollars. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Dave "Bluto" Scot: We're just the guys to do it.
Bill "Otter" Dembski: Let's do it.
Dave "Bluto" Scot: LET'S DO IT!

Date: 2007/11/20 17:11:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (argystokes @ Nov. 20 2007,16:52)
Quote (Louis @ Nov. 20 2007,13:46)
Just FYI, and I can't believe it's taken me this long to remember to mention this:

If you haven't seen it already here we have fundamentlaist christian movie reviews, the CAP Reports.

It's got all the fundy goodness of FSTDT. Whenever I'm having a hard day I read the South Park: The Movie review and laugh myself hoarse.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a heartless bastard, I know, I know. But come on, aren't allowed to laugh at earnest whackjobbery? Is this the face of a murderer? Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury I beseech you....oh what's the use!

Louis

ETA: The H2G2 review contains the damning complaint "Darwinism". Damn you Darwin. DAMN YOU!!!!!

Wow, that's some funny stuff. For example:
 
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ICE AGE (PG) -- ...a bright and dazzling achievement in computer animation with a warm story ... to indoctrinate your children to the theory of evolution.

Is there some way we can get CAP to review Visitor Q?

Their review of Quest for Fire is pretty funny, although I agree with them that it's not the sort of film that should be shown to schoolchildren.

Date: 2007/11/26 16:27:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ Nov. 26 2007,15:51)
It's the airtight Bart Simpson defense:

"I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything."

That's enough for me. Won't somebody help Dr. Bill find the real culprits?

Maybe OJ can help him. Does WAD play golf?

Date: 2007/11/26 20:52:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Nov. 26 2007,19:41)
Brief and to the point:

 
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Shorter Bill Dembski:

News Release: Harvard's XVIVO Video

The accusation that I stole Harvard's video is false. In reality I just circumvented distribution restrictions by copying it off the internet, modified it and made it look like my own work. BTW, comments are disabled, fuckers.

There's an extraneous slash in that URL - This link works.

BTW, thanks for the link; I've always been a fan of Sadly, No!'s "shorter" posts.

Date: 2007/11/27 19:49:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (argystokes @ Nov. 27 2007,19:24)
 
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I just knew one of those naughty boys at ATBC would be the first to figure it out...surprising that it took them all day though.


So she knew it was a fake photo when she posted it? Color me skeptical. She shouldn't be surprised that it took all day, though, seeing as the photo doesn't display.

I think FtK would instinctively know that photo wasn't really taken at the North Pole, seeing that Santa's workshop is nowhere in sight. Here is an authentic photo of the North Pole:

Date: 2007/11/29 12:48:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Nov. 29 2007,11:33)
Joe G, who rarely disappoints, outdoes himself in terms of bringin' teh stoopid, when he tries to defend GG's publication record:
 
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Writing a paper takes research. Research takes time. Research in astronomy takes quite a bit of time due to the vast distances involved. (it takes time to detect movement in far-away bodies)

I think Joe's on to something here. Even our closest celestial body, the moon, is only fully visible for a few days out of the month; it's not like you can study the whole thing on a regular basis. Besides, the materialist astronomers at ISU probably hog up all the telescope time using it to spy on the girl's dorm.

If what Joe says is true, GG must have a stack of unfinished research papers that had to be scrapped after realizing that fast-moving star was really a plane or a satellite.

Maybe GG can go to the North Pole to do some research on the moon - he won't even need a telescope; it's huge up there.

Date: 2007/11/29 13:09:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
By the way, Arden... I'm digging your new avatar. I was hoping Reddy Kilowatt would have a cameo in the recent South Park trilogy.

Date: 2007/11/29 13:40:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Nov. 29 2007,11:33)
In the same thread, DT makes a much-needed appearance, and still can't understand why SciAm doesn't count:
 
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While SciAm is not peer reviewed, per se, a cover story is an accomplishment that few astronomers in the world manage to get and one that no one else in ISU’s astronomy department can brag about. Since SciAm is an old and well respected popular science journal that can be seen prominently on every magazine rack in the western world this represents a tremendous positive advertisement for both Gonzalez personally and for the ISU astronomy department in general.

He still can't bring himself to refer to SciAm as a magazine and not a journal, per se, of course.

Didn't Dembski (or was it Behe?) add letters to the editor to his CV? And didn't Sal Cordova brag about his less-than-complimentary mention in Nature? Over in Tardland, a cover story on SciAm must be like winning the Nobel, Best Movie Oscar™, Powerball, and World's Greatest Grandpa all on the same day.

Hell, GG's name being listed in the Ames, Iowa White Pages ought to be enough to get tenure...

Date: 2007/11/29 13:51:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 29 2007,13:42)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Nov. 29 2007,13:40)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Nov. 29 2007,11:33)
In the same thread, DT makes a much-needed appearance, and still can't understand why SciAm doesn't count:
     
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While SciAm is not peer reviewed, per se, a cover story is an accomplishment that few astronomers in the world manage to get and one that no one else in ISU’s astronomy department can brag about. Since SciAm is an old and well respected popular science journal that can be seen prominently on every magazine rack in the western world this represents a tremendous positive advertisement for both Gonzalez personally and for the ISU astronomy department in general.

He still can't bring himself to refer to SciAm as a magazine and not a journal, per se, of course.

Didn't Dembski (or was it Behe?) add letters to the editor to his CV? And didn't Sal Cordova brag about his less-than-complimentary mention in Nature? Over in Tardland, a cover story on SciAm must be like winning the Nobel, Best Movie Oscar™, Powerball, and World's Greatest Grandpa all on the same day.

Hell, GG's name being listed in the Ames, Iowa White Pages ought to be enough to get tenure...

Do you look up GG under I for Idiot, or under P for Persecuted?

My combination Magic 8 Ball/Explanatory Filter tells me, "look under 'T'."

Date: 2007/11/29 15:19:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
We spend so much time focusing on the Tard at UD and its affiliates, we sometimes overlook other sources.

I used to read Christian Forums years ago, and after reading this gem by Little Nipper, I'm almost tempted to start a new account at foru.ms. Little Nipper used to be a regular source of Tard; I thought he had dropped off the face of the earth...
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Do we find DNA in Outer Space? Did we discover DNA on the Moon? Is DNA found in meteors? If not, it isn't a "natually occurring" phenomenon. It is quite unique to unique living things on this unique planet.

Date: 2007/11/30 13:57:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Nov. 30 2007,12:10)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 30 2007,10:56)
Where's my Friday Meltdown, Designer-Dammit?

My thoughts exactly and i thought Wesley said he was privvy to some information that lead him to believe Dr Dimwit would melt down nicely today.

Where's the beef?

They've locked Dembski in the attic at the Evolutionary Informatics Lab (which, btw, is neither endorsed by nor affiliated with Baylor University) for the weekend.

Come Monday, look for the following Denyse O'Leary post at UD: "Dembski's Friday Meltdown? Another Failed Darwinian Predicition".

Date: 2007/12/01 23:32:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Altabin @ Dec. 01 2007,22:42)
 
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Which is, like, curtains, for Darwin’s theory.

STOP PRESS! DO'L is a sockpuppet!  She's being played by Shaggy!  RUH-ROH!

Jinkies! Whatever became of Velma?

Date: 2007/12/02 00:04:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 01 2007,23:38)
BTW, you didn't anwer my question:

"Why, oh why, did Darwin beat up a puppy in order to feel a sense of power?  It does seem that he feels quite sorry for the act, but why the heck does he bring it up in his book?"

[blipey whine]
Hrmph!  You never answer my questions!
[/blipey whine]

Lest FtK run away to her heavily-moderated fortress and start composing some tirade about how this question wasn't answered, here's why it wasn't answered:

Your question, to wit: "Why, oh why, did Darwin beat up a puppy in order to feel a sense of power?  It does seem that he feels quite sorry for the act, but why the heck does he bring it up in his book?", basically answers itself. It's much like asking, "Why did he open his umbrella to avoid the rain?"

As far as why he brought it up in his book... pay attention now, FtK; this is really complicated:
It was his autobiography
.

You see, an autobiography is a book in which a person reveals historical details about themselves. People who are reasonably honest might tend to publish unflattering things about themselves, even if that means that a hundred years down the line some shameless ideologue might quote an unflattering passage out of context in order to further their agenda.

Of course, the entire passage is not at all unflattering. You see, Darwin did something that creationists & cdesign proponentists seem unable to do: he realized he was wrong, and made a concentrated effort to make amends for that wrong by becoming a passionate lover of dogs.

What your colleague Sal quotes to damn Darwin actually reveals that Charles Darwin was in a possession of something that Salvador Cordova sadly lacks: a sense of shame.

HTH

(edited for misplaced comma... I'm sure there's more)

Date: 2007/12/02 00:24:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 02 2007,00:18)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 02 2007,01:10)
It can't be true, Casey Luskin didn't write it..

or Slimeball Sal, quotemining champion of the world universe multiverse.

Birds of a feather, I suppose.

In order to extend an olive branch to FtK, here's a bumper sticker for the FtKmobile.

Date: 2007/12/02 00:33:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 02 2007,00:24)
Now FtK is deleting her posts. Revisionism is dishonesty in my book. I suggest fully quoting her when you reply, because she is, you know, dishonest.

Right now, I'm guessing FtK wishes AtBC was as heavily moderated as she claims it to be. Reciprocating Bill summed up nicely FtK's absence, and she turns around and comes back to - of all things - offer up some backhanded defense of Slimy Sal's quotemining.

It's no surprise that she got pwned, and got pwned quickly. If this happened at her blog or UD, the entire thread would be deleted.

She can whine about how mean we are, but she basically walked in here with a "KICK ME" sign taped to her back... written in her own handwriting.

Date: 2007/12/02 13:36:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Not content with the spanking she got here last night, FtK is now at ERV's Blog, offering up some choice sig. material.

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Goodness me, but I'm such a 'tard'.

Date: 2007/12/02 16:09:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Jasper @ Dec. 02 2007,15:25)
Ironically, in FtK's attempt to defend her version of the Christian faith, her behavior functions as a kind of reverse-evangelism for Christianity.

Which is why so many people tend to encourage her. FtK is essentially a live-action Chick tract; her concern trolling wins over people like Sal Cordova and Larry Fafarman, but everyone else is laughing at her, not with her.

Date: 2007/12/02 20:10:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 02 2007,19:57)
while i was copying the ftk thread, i had a glance at a few comments over the months. Saw some craziness she said about how Darwinists are going to look bad in February 08 because the Darwin police have arrested too many people. What the hell was that about? Can anybody translate that from Crazy to English for me?

Oh stewardess, I speak jive!


I'm pretty sure the Feb '08 reference is to the impending release of Expelled. I mean, it definitely isn't a reference to the release of some upcoming ID research.

"The Darwin police have arrested too many people" must mean Guillermo Gonzalez didn't get tenure and Baylor didn't want li'l Billy Dembski creeping out co-eds in the campus cafeteria.

The Evil Atheist Conspiracy is pretty good about keeping things classified, so I'm almost positive she's not referring to the real arrests made by the Darwin police.

Date: 2007/12/02 21:22:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 02 2007,21:08)
We aren't privy to her statistics, but several people on this page alone report comments not going through, which jibes with my experience. So we can safely assume she deletes a fair fraction of comments. UD admits to deleting around 20% of the comments. I wonder if she's more or less censorious than them. I suspect more.

Here, we just move stuff to the Bathroom Wall, rather than airbrushing them out of history. It's more honest. I actually remember the last comments I straight-up deleted. There have only been about 10 in my 15 months of moderation. A year ago, Davetard, who is banned here, posted comments saying that Judge Jones smelled bad. It was obviously Davetard, and so I deleted them. The others were porn spam, which, albeit slightly better than Davetard's stupid babbling, have no place here.

This thread is so insane that it's easy to forget that it was created as a place to crosspost messages that didn't make it through FtK's moderation. There are over 150 pages in this thread... they don't help FtK's case at all.

Date: 2007/12/02 21:42:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 02 2007,21:21)
Knowing Icky and Steve whatever they wrote was no doubt very demeaning and void of content.

I remember a deleting a kl, but I don't remember what was said.  It was short whatever it was....very blipeyesque.

Dave, we talking endlessly...you know why I deleted your posts for a time.   That little ordeal is what pulled me in here to start posting in the first place.

Moderators here pull posts from threads and send them to the bathroom wall which certainly brings down that 99.9% acceptance of posts.  I'm not sure how I'd set that up on a blog, but at least that would be something I'd consider.  If I let the nasty, voidless banter go through, I am basically stating that I approve of that type of conduct.  I don't. I would rather have respectful dialogue taking place on my blog.  I'm also the type of person who finds it difficult to let people treat me like dirt on a consistent basis without responding, so no doubt if I let all that crap go through it would cause me to write things I would later very much regret.

Good grief, FtK. Where on earth do you get off on lecturing people on how to conduct themselves?

You regularly rub elbows with Salvador Cordova, one of the sleaziest creationists on the planet. (The only other creationist who comes close is currently doing time for tax evasion.) Larry Fafarman is welcome at your blog. Larry Fafarman, the holocaust denier. Larry "Jihad against Wikipedia" Fafarman. You continually praise the work of a man who recently posted the names and home phone numbers of the Baylor Board of Regents on his website.

Everyone knows that you're completely comfortable with all sorts of reprehensible behavior, so stop pretending to have the moral high ground in this situation.

Date: 2007/12/02 22:01:25, Link
Author: Mister DNA
It's probably been done before, but if not... here goes.

Date: 2007/12/02 22:58:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 02 2007,22:21)
If you want me to post the rest of the quote at YC, I will.  Personally, I think Sal was posting it in jest.  He already knows that Darwinists get highly irrate about that quote because I've seen him post it numerous times in the past and receive the same comments.  Sometimes I post things just to rile the lot of you as well.   I know that's nice a kind thing to do, but it gets really old watching you guys put me down consistently every single day.  No doubt he gets sick of it at times as well.

I'm sure drunk drivers get tired of being habitually hassled by the cops and thrown in jail, too. Some get so tired of it that they decide that it would be best to stop driving vehicles while under the influence.

If Sal ever gets really tired of being called sleazy, dishonest, amoral, et cetera, he might consider putting an end to his sleazy, dishonest and amoral behavior.

Do a Google search on "Sal Cordova quote mining" and see for yourself how fast-and-loose he plays with the facts.

You are condoning Sal's behavior because it makes "Darwinists" irate. Never mind that it makes Sal look sleazy, as long as we find it annoying, huh?

And yet you turn around and whine about how you're treated like dirt. Get off the cross, Mary; we've got better things to do with the wood.

Date: 2007/12/02 23:24:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 02 2007,23:17)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 02 2007,23:11)
Oh Noes!!!!!!111111111111111111

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....the-eil


Waterloopy! Gil is doing puter stuff for the EIL!!!

Quoth Gil:

     
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Further experience with real-world computer simulations (guidance, navigation and control software in aerospace R&D, and most recently with finite-element analysis programming) has convinced me that Darwinists are living in the dark ages, promoting a quaint 19th-century notion that has nothing ultimately meaningful to say about biological reality beyond finch-beak variation and bacterial antibiotic resistance.


You have to be impressed with the first-rate minds ID attracts.



Okay, other than bacterial antibiotic resistance, what have the Darwinists ever done for us?

Date: 2007/12/02 23:39:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Dec. 02 2007,23:29)
Denyse threatens to ban getawitness:      
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One more such emission from you and I will ban you from this forum.

We don’t abet persecutions here. Okay?


I thought Denyse was Velma, but I guess I was wrong.  


No, UD doesn't abet persecution. Nope. Never. Move along now, there's nothing to see here.

Date: 2007/12/03 14:52:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Dec. 03 2007,14:41)
Let's run some numbers.  That's like evidence, Ftk; I thought you might be a little clueless there.

As of this minute, you have 41 comments on your blog in the past 17 days.  This means that if you've failed to post even 1 comment from anyone (myself excepted) in the past 17 days, your statement of letting 99.9% of all comments through is off by just a tad.  In fact, I'd say it was off b 2400%.  That's a lot.

When the Earth is either 6,000 years old or 4.5 billion years old, being off by 2400% is no big deal.

Date: 2007/12/04 00:09:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 03 2007,10:10)
Dembski has a long history of Friday Meltdowns. From the looks of it, we're going to go ahead and pencil ftk in for the Monday Meltdown.

It's a shame I have to go to work now and pry my eyes from this spectacle.

I think FtK had a weekend meltdown that extended over into Monday.

Maybe we can get Joe G to have a Wednesday meltdown while we wait Friday to arrive.

Date: 2007/12/04 21:16:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 04 2007,20:46)
I was looking around the internet for a copy of Bjork's Earth Intruders ( does anyone reading here have this song? can you email me a copy? ) and glancing through some comment sections I encountered this:



 
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I liked Bjork when her name was Yoko Ono.

Posted by darius jenkins | April 23, 2007 1:35 PM


followed by this LOL comment:

 
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"I liked Bjork when her name was Yoko Ono."

That is the dumbest comment I ever read on the Internet.

Posted by Anonymous | April 23, 2007 1:47 PM

I was never a Bjork fan until I saw Dancer in the Dark, which is weird because I'm not a big fan of Lars von Trier or musicals, either.

It was no problem at all getting that file to you, Steve - my usenet provider has a 70 day retention, and fortunately someone had uploaded the song a few weeks ago...

Date: 2007/12/04 21:23:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
FtK was provided with a link to Google search results for examples of Sal's sleazy quote mining, yet she continues to act like the "I beat a puppy" quote mine is some isolated incident.

If people were posting FtK's infamous "piranha" quote at the Panda's Thumb in order to prove that she really thinks she's a piranha, she might have a point, but as usual, she just doesn't get it.

Date: 2007/12/04 21:38:10, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 04 2007,21:21)
One thing I like about Funk is that the lyrics can be off the beat, often slightly behind the beat. Bjork's timing is equally weird and appealing.

Oddly enough, Willie Nelson used to sing behind the beat, in front of the beat, across the street from the beat and managed to sound like he was talking instead of singing. This was long before he hit the big time...

I was watching Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings being interviewed and Willie was asked about where he got his unique phrasing. He started talking about how he used to listen to a lot of jazz as a kid and Waylon interrupted him, saying, "Tell 'em the truth Willie - you just can't carry a tune to save your life."

I know it's weird going from Bjork to Willie Nelson, but that's how my mind works... If you dig Bjork, you might like Cibo Matto - check out the video for "Sugar Water"; cool stuff.

Date: 2007/12/04 21:51:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 04 2007,21:40)
Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 04 2007,13:28)
 
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 04 2007,13:19)
Douche bag ID creationists lose again!

The "IDC waterloo party" has been temporarily cancelled.

Good catch dude - do you live down there?

No, I'm in Texas.  The next DI throwdown will happen in my state

In that case, Dembski won't have to run very far when it comes time to testify.

I'm in Texas, too (Corpus Christi). There was an article in yesterday's paper about Chris Comer's ouster and today there was an editorial that didn't have too many kind words about the Texas BOE and ID.

Date: 2007/12/04 21:58:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Dec. 04 2007,21:55)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 04 2007,21:33)
Iowa is getting hot, hot, hawt!!!

perhaps it is because of INTERSTATE 35oneoneoneoneoneone!!!oneone

Iz tru.

I35 gos thru OKC, Norman, and Dallas.

Crazy hiway.

There's an old joke we say here in South Texas...

Q: What's the best thing to ever come out of Dallas?

A: I-35 South.

Date: 2007/12/04 22:14:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Stevestory's mention of "Bjork's a dork" got me thinking... my brother has a theory (and it's only a theory) that everyone likes at least one band/artist that they're ashamed to admit to liking. His example was Frankie Valli & the Four Seasons. When I told him I like Sweet (you know, of "Ballroom Blitz" fame), he said, "Yeah, I'd be ashamed, too."

Everyone laughs when I say I like ABBA, too. No Americans laugh when I say I like Boney M, though. They just say, "Boney who?".

I'm curious what other shameful musical secrets lurk in the hearts and eardrums of AtBC readers?

Date: 2007/12/04 22:35:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 04 2007,22:15)
I think I'll stick with Sal rather than your buddies.

Yet you spend all your time here.

Edited to add: I guess the discussion at Young Cosmos moves too fast for you. Sal really appreciates open discussion, doesn't he?

Date: 2007/12/04 23:37:52, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 04 2007,22:55)
Ballroom blitz has a certain kitsch charm, but I can take or leave it.

Almost all of Sweet's big hits were 100% kitsch, but they were good at what they do. What got me hooked on them was "The Man with the Golden Arm", their glam cover of Elmer Bernstein's score of the movie. Mick Tucker was a phenomenal drummer, and they picked a great song to showcase his talents.

I don't understand why so many bands try to cover "Ballroom Blitz", though.

Date: 2007/12/04 23:45:19, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 04 2007,23:39)
I wrote Kyle Miller, lead author on the article, asking him to confirm the quote. Kyle says it was their slip-up, so I have updated the PT article to let everyone know that.

Good job, Wesley. That's a lot easier than simply deleting the post or posting a bunch of crap until the article disappears from the page.

Date: 2007/12/05 00:14:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 04 2007,23:58)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 04 2007,23:37)
I don't understand why so many bands try to cover "Ballroom Blitz", though.

Because it's easy to play?

"Louie Louie" is a song that's easy to play and the worse a band plays it, it can still manage to capture the essence of the Kingsmen's version.

The Kinks' "You Really Got Me" is also easy to play, if it's played badly, it really shows.

I've heard covers of "Ballroom Blitz" ranging from metal to rockabilly, and they all sounded dull compared to the original. The only competent cover of it I've ever heard is Nina Hagen's version.

Date: 2007/12/05 00:47:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,00:26)
Songs that are fun to cover, and a good reaction.

My Sharona
Hungry like the Wolf
YMCA (surprisingly well structured)
Stayin' Alive
Alright (Jamiroquai)
Ruby

I absolutely hate listening to "My Sharona", but I like playing it - I guess it's because of the reaction it gets. I like the Knack's "Good Girls Don't", though.

"Midnight Hour" is fun to play, too, but it can be hell for a bass player. I played bass in a band and whenever we did "Midnight Hour", it would fill the dance floor, so they'd stretch it out into some ten-minute monstrosity. The next song would have to be a ballad...

Another fun one is Bo Diddley's "You Can't Judge a Book By its Cover" - lots of stops and starts to play around with...

I've never been in a band that played 80s music, but if I was, I'd want to do Wall of Voodoo's "Mexican Radio". It's a fun song, and not hard to play at all.

Date: 2007/12/05 18:50:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (bfish @ Dec. 05 2007,18:46)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,16:01)
I am  not sure what is most interesting about Dembski's latest post about the amazon.com reviews for "The Design of Life."

Maybe it is that at least 3 of the 9 positive reviews are by direct Dembski associates (Michael Polanyi Center cohort Bruce L. Gordon,  Discovery Institute chum Casey Luskin, and UD contributor idnet.com.au).

And let's not forget that a fourth reviewer, Ralph Seelke was one of the witnesses at the Kansas ID hearings.

Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review.

Date: 2007/12/05 19:21:38, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,19:03)
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 05 2007,18:59)
Man, that site is warped. The first picture I got was a girl who was clearly rather normal-looking, but photographed well in soft-focus black and white wearing good clothes.

And she has a 9.4? That's not fair, she's probably a six or seven at best without a camera and time to pose. God, hotornot.com people have no taste!

And Anny *knows* hot girls...

If you want to see people with no taste, check out Hot Chicks with Douchebags (NOTE: Might be NSFW, depending on what's on the front page). HCWDB is to douches what AtBC is to The Argument Regarding Design.

Date: 2007/12/05 19:26:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,19:07)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,18:50)
Finally, ID has put forth some peer-reviewed material. Maybe they can submit Exploring Evolution to HOT or NOT for peer review.

Already been done.  

Source: RTH's 1000th Post

I'm guessing all the "NOT" votes came from Eskimo women.

Date: 2007/12/05 20:01:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 05 2007,19:41)
Is Texas more backwards that Kansas?

Apologies to rational denizens thereof..

I don't doubt for a minute that there are public schools in Texas where creationism is part of the science curriculum, but what flies in, say, Odessa won't necessarily fly in Laredo.

Here in Corpus Christi, there's never been much of controversy about evolution in the schools. About ten years ago, it was discovered that a parent had complained about The Diary of Anne Frank in a Junior High library and the librarian removed the book without any sort of review. Once it was made public, the book was returned to the shelves, pronto.

More recently, a local pentecostal church tried to get the Harry Potter books removed from school libraries, and the school district told them - in polite terms - that the church members were more than welcome not to read the books.

There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch.

Date: 2007/12/05 20:16:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 05 2007,20:10)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 05 2007,20:01)
There are parts of Texas that make Kansas look enlightened by comparison, but for the most part, we're a fairly sane bunch.

Pffft.  It is so windy here in Oklahoma because Texas blows and Kansas sucks.

Hey, now! I hear they're raising the drinking age in Oklahoma to 25 in order to keep alcohol out of the elementary schools.

Date: 2007/12/05 21:31:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 05 2007,21:21)
Annyday, that post by id.net.com.fu is an absolute jewel.

And the tard quickly flows

 
Quote
brilliant!!! I doubt that darwinist community will even acknowledge those hypotheses! i guess that is what the blinders of materialism will do for you! even if they do, its still E coli, it’s not like it sprouted wings and started living in trees or anything. I think these guys believe that Spiderman is a documentary.


WTF?  Spiderman AINT NO documentary?  Shit.

X-Men would have been a more appropriate reference, but it probably would not have made it past born^again's Nan^ny Fil^ter.

Date: 2007/12/06 15:49:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Dec. 06 2007,12:34)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 06 2007,12:28)
   
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 06 2007,12:22)
That wasn't the nuclear rant, was it?

No, hon, that wasn't it.  I took RF's advice and went for the bottle of lithium*.  When I go into nuclear rant mode, you'll most certainly recognize it.  When the meds wear off, if I'm still feeling the need to purge, you'll be the first to know about it.


*Joking - some people here are too dense to get a joke unless they're making one.

No.  We recognize jokes.  You're just not funny.  Joe G has the same problem; perhaps you can compare notes.

edited to include the definition of joke: something that causes laughter or amusement

edited again to give an example of something that isn't a joke: a stupid or ignorant statement that a person would like to take back

A guy gets sent to prison and on his first night in the cellblock, something strange happens.

An inmate shouts, "23!" and the entire block breaks out laughing.

Another inmate shouts, "14!" and is met with gales of laughter.

Someone else yells out, "30!" and again, the entire cellblock starts howling.

The new guy asks the man in the next cell, "What the hell is going on? Why do people laugh whenever someone calls out a number?"

"You see, new guy," the con responds, "we've been here so long and told these jokes so many times, we've just assigned a number to all the jokes. Why don't you try it?"

Intrigued, the new guy shouts, "44!" and is met with deafening silence.

"What the hell happened?" he asked, "Is there no joke assigned to number 44?"

The man in the next cell replies, "Oh, there's a joke assigned to number 44, all right. A damn funny one, too. You just told it wrong."

Edited to add: "Sit on a potato pan, Otis" is my favorite palindrome.

Date: 2007/12/06 16:19:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 06 2007,15:53)
We've hit rock bottom.  Batshit77 is regaling us (well, them) with his poetry.
 
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The tear in the sky threatens to rip the sky asunder
The world roars applause with a loud sustained thunder





Edited:  because editing is fun.

bornagain's prose knocks my thoughts out of kilter,
for the word 'crack' passed unchecked through his nanny filter


There's some choice Tard in that thread.

More from BA:
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I have my own “religiously” motivated way at looking at the weather, not to belittle man’s responsibility to be good stewards of the earth, but I feel, just like many other Theists, that God is ultimately in control of the weather. And I, for one, am extremely relieved that He is ultimately in control.


Paul Giem:
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Sternberging describes what can happen to one who believes that ID should get a hearing. Gonzalizing is what happens to one who actually believes in ID. Gonzalizing is arguably harder on one’s career, though neither strike me as very pleasant.


and russ:
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And Dembskiing/Marksing is what happens to you when you do ID at your workplace.


Edited to add: I always thought "Dembskiing" is what those people are doing in the Swiss alps.

Date: 2007/12/06 16:45:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 06 2007,16:39)
ID Haiku

creationism

is intelligent design

it makes you stupid

bac. flag. so complex
like tiny outboard motor
therefore, God did it

Date: 2007/12/06 17:29:02, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 06 2007,16:55)
we should start a haiku thread...show the tards what REAL poets can do!

This one's entitled "Denyse"

Read my blogs, you'll see
materialism, bad!
Won't you buy my book?

Metaphors mangled
like a wounded leaf in hell.
Buy my book for more.

Easily purchased,
Amazon gives it four stars.
Use your credit card.

Date: 2007/12/06 17:32:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 06 2007,17:28)
 
Quote
My arrogance ain't got nothing on your battle-hardened ignorance, dear. When you, or Sal, or Behe, or BA77, or Dembski, or Wells, or any of the unholy pantheon of ignorance ever come up with a new "fact" that goes even a nanometer toward supporting ID, you let us know. Then maybe you can stop with the personal and get with the factual.


I rest my case on the issue of arrogance.  I'll put this little gem in another file to refer back to.

FtK,

I bolded part of your sentence that is grammatically incorrect.

You might want to go back and edit it.

Date: 2007/12/06 17:33:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 06 2007,17:31)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 06 2007,15:22)
OMG...I can hardly believe that I'm seeing this in writing.  

This has to be a first here at AtBC.  I'm *stunned*.

I'm going to put this post in a special file...not sure what to title it just yet.

How about calling it "Things you won't see on a creationist board"?


Edited: entire post removed and replaced with something even further off-topic.  Just because I can.

Nah, that's her label for all those peer-reviewed papers she's read.

Date: 2007/12/06 21:31:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
The mighty Joe G weighs in on Peter Irons' review of The Design of Life
Quote
Umm it is really too bad that FTE was NOT allowed to be represented at the Dover fiasco. It is also very telling that the plaintiffs picked on early drafts and not the released book. Also the book was not ruled unconstitutional- perhaps you had better read the decision again. And finally that ruling only affects one small insignifacant district in PA.

Finally if you REALY want to refute ID just find some support for the anti-ID materialistic position- which is basically nothing more than sheer dumb luck.

However that position doesn't make any predictions, can't be tested and is completely out of touch with reality.

As for Kwok's review- he lied. He didn't read the book. He said he got a copy from a library when no library had been sent a copy.


Sweet Baby Jesus, I hope he runs for his local school board and gets elected. He's bound to do something so stupid it will make national news.

Date: 2007/12/06 22:32:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
This is sorta relevant to the topic currently being discussed...

Can anyone tell me the status of the lawsuit against the University of California regarding the home schooled students who got their learnin' from science textbooks published by Bob Jones? The most recent news I could find was from October '06, and that said that a judge was going to allow the case to move forward. Has there been any progress?

Date: 2007/12/07 00:58:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Dec. 06 2007,23:42)
Since it's almost that time of year, I reckon we should all talk about our favourite Christmas songs (oh yes FtK, I may be an atheist librul, but I can't help liking this time of year. Fortunately, the holiday has been taken over, like most holidays, by crass commercialism, and while I'm anti-capitalist as well, I can't suppress all my greed).

My two favourite Christmas classics are: Jona Lewie. Stop the Cavalry (not exactly an X-mas song, but it's pretty much one now)

Fairytale of New York, The Pouges ft. Kirsty MacColl.

My absolute favorite Christmas music is The Phil Spector Christmas Album, but it just isn't Christmas until I've heard Bing Crosby sing Mele Kalikimaka.

Here's some other favorites:

The Kinks - Father Christmas

Run DMC - Christmas in Hollis

Chuck Berry - Run Rudolph Run

Ramones - Merry Christmas (I Don't Want to Fight)

Monty Python - Christmas in Heaven

Slade - Merry Christmas Everybody

Even kiddie diddlers can make a good Christmas song - Another Rock & Roll Christmas

And of course, no Christmas is complete without this timeless Holiday classic from Fear

Edited to add: I heart Kirsty MacColl - her version of Days is wonderful.

Date: 2007/12/09 17:40:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 09 2007,13:04)
Can you believe this discussion?
 
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Does something written in invisible ink carry the same amount of information as something written with black ink, or something written using animal tracks? Imagine having a deer hoof on the end of the stick, and writing your name in the sand with the deer hoof. the hoof prints are visible and tell us something. its hard to see how there is not information in that.


Inquiring minds want to know, there is probably information in the handwriting style too.  of the Designer.

Linky

That one's easy. The black ink has more information, since it has the information for all the colors of the rainbow within it.

Date: 2007/12/10 00:25:38, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Tard at the Internet Movie Database (Note: The link might require registration)

From the Golden Compass message boards:
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Yeah, that is because science has become its own religion and will not suffer certain doctrines to be questioned otherwise such scientists are branded pseudo-scientists (heretics) or mystics and are promptly excommunicated from the pure faith.

THey expect everybody to believe them, to have faith in them. THey act as though evolution/big bang theories are too complex for typical people to comprehend and only a select few people with Ph.D.'s in physics or biology are able to comprehend the truth, and so the rest of the masses ought to put faith in them.


and the response:
Quote
But wintermonk was right in that those scientific concepts are tough, and “only a select few people with Ph.D.'s in physics or biology are able to comprehend the truth.” That’s because they hide that crucial information in mysterious things called ‘books’ and store them in big buildings called ‘libraries’. They do this for a reason. If they make it easy enough for just anybody to figure out reality, the really dumb ones that turned off their reasoning ability and handed it over to a mythological god will be allowed access. And we know what happens when we let the dumb ones play. They start to think that an invisible deity actually cares about which football team wins, or was somehow completely responsible for some gangsta rapper winning a grammy…


It almost makes me wanna see the movie.

Date: 2007/12/17 11:02:06, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Dec. 17 2007,10:40)
Seriously, are there any living axons in WAD's brain.  Or any sense of shame at all--even a leftover bit of shame from his parents or a good friend he once had or something?

Sponging off B-list celebrities.

Not content to compare himself with research scientists, he now makes a comparison of himself and reality TV show winners.  Yikes.

Of course, he forgot that Paul Potts had actually received training (in an Italian opera school), done peer reviewed work (with the Royal Symphony Orchestra and several opera companies) , and had talent in his chosen field.  Also, Paul chose to show the world some evidence pertaining to his career instead of just claiming that no, really, I can sing--I'll show you later....

Besides that, they're just the same.

It would be nice if one of the sockpuppets over at the Tardmine reminded Dembski that Paul Potts might look like a humble cell phone salesman, but that doesn't change the fact that he's responsible for the deaths of millions of Cambodians.

Also, I like the judges' reactions in this video.

Date: 2007/12/19 07:53:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 19 2007,03:26)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/are-those-without-formal-academic-training-in-evolutionary-biology-justified-in-challengin


g-the-experts/#comment-157118]Sock puppet or just another IDiot?[/URL]        
Quote
ari-freedom
12/19/2007 2:34 am
It all boils down to evidence to me. If the cambrian explosion was replicated in the lab, do you think anyone would *not* believe in evolution, even with all the mathematical arguments against it? Math can help in our understanding of reality but they can’t make up a reality that doesn’t exist.

Personally, I'd love to see the size of that lab!  Not to mention the team that runs the experiment for ten million years.

They should have plenty of room at the prestigious Evolutionary Informatics Laboratory; the fact that they're not doing any other research also frees up a lot of time.

Date: 2007/12/19 09:32:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Date: 2007/12/19 09:57:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 19 2007,09:35)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,09:32)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 19 2007,09:09)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 19 2007,10:01)
Post of the week right here!

Seconded.

I agree, only on the condition that he go back and add a gratuitous edit.

Plus it needs a lolcat.

I'll take care of that part.

Date: 2007/12/19 10:42:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 19 2007,10:32)
Quote
I work in a diploma mill I call a university
And there I struggle long and hard to teach the controversity
I welcome all opinions notwithstanding their diversity
I just reject the fact-based ones as atheist perversity


that's outstanding.

Indeed. I know it's a Gilbert & Sullivan parody, but "controversity" made me think of Ray Davies at his best.

Date: 2007/12/19 11:18:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Steverino @ Dec. 19 2007,11:15)
# CA008. Evolution encourages promiscuity and lust.


Where was I!....I miss all the fun things!

I know exactly what you mean. Every time lust & promiscuity come up in the Darwinist sweepstakes, I'm busy spreading Ebola and burning churches.

Date: 2007/12/19 11:26:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 19 2007,11:17)
As a side note, don't browse encyclopedia dramatica unless you've got a strong stomach. This is a fair warning.

The Urban Dictionary can be safe for work in many circumstances, but be forewarned - if you're at work and you look up a rather innocuous word and get "see also" links to stuff like "Cleveland Steamer" and "Portuguese Omelet" your boss will probably have you arrested for clicking on the links.

Date: 2007/12/19 11:59:25, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 19 2007,11:26)
My wife and I work full time.  Believe it or not neither of our children are obese or even over weight.  We do not ride bicycles.  We feed them healthy foods and teach them about portions.

Amazingly our shopping habits (the next big or little purchase) have not influenced our children's weight in any way.

I have some friends who would cause O'Leary's head to explode. The husband is an atheist, the wife an agnostic. Not only are their kids not obese, but the oldest daughter received her first athletic scholarship offer during her freshman year of high school. The younger daughter will probably be getting scholarship offers, as well - she's a demon at volleyball.

What would really twist around in Denyse's mind is that this family does more charity work than any other family I've ever met.
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Is the morphodyke insane or just stupid?



She's Canadian, isn't she?

Date: 2007/12/19 12:39:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Rob @ Dec. 19 2007,12:19)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/are-those-without-formal-academic-training-in-evolutionary-biology-justified-in-challengin


g-the-experts/#comment-157227]Fafarman[/URL]:      
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IMO anyone who has read several of the popular books about evolution should consider him/herself to be fairly expert in the field.

I'd love to watch Larry in court, especially when he brings in his "expert" witnesses.

Hermagoras shows up at Joe G's door to get that elusive ID evidence and is shot; the state contends that it was Joe G who shot Hermagoras. Enter Larry Fafarman, criminal defense attorney:

"Your honor, at this time - in order to rebut the state's ballistics expert - I'd like to call to the stand my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl. Not only has my brother Daryl seen every episode of CSI and all its spin-offs, he owns the Season Two box set of CSI: Miami, which comes with some really informative special features. Plus, my other brother Daryl looks a little like Vincent D'Onofrio, who plays a really smart detective on Law & Order: Criminal Intent."

Date: 2007/12/19 13:34:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 19 2007,13:03)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 19 2007,12:39)
   
Quote (Rob @ Dec. 19 2007,12:19)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/are-those-without-formal-academic-training-in-evolutionary-biology-justified-in-challengin








g-the-experts/#comment-157227]Fafarman[/URL]:            
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IMO anyone who has read several of the popular books about evolution should consider him/herself to be fairly expert in the field.

I'd love to watch Larry in court, especially when he brings in his "expert" witnesses.

Hermagoras shows up at Joe G's door to get that elusive ID evidence and is shot; the state contends that it was Joe G who shot Hermagoras. Enter Larry Fafarman, criminal defense attorney:

"Your honor, at this time - in order to rebut the state's ballistics expert - I'd like to call to the stand my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl. Not only has my brother Daryl seen every episode of CSI and all its spin-offs, he owns the Season Two box set of CSI: Miami, which comes with some really informative special features. Plus, my other brother Daryl looks a little like Vincent D'Onofrio, who plays a really smart detective on Law & Order: Criminal Intent."

"Mr. Simpson, don’t you worry, I watched Matlock at a bar last night. The sound was off, but I think I got the gist of it."


From the Arrested Development episode, "For British Eyes Only":

George, Sr.: Now, listen, we can’t just go in there and plead “not guilty,” we have to have someone big behind us, our own private Matlock. So I made some calls and I got him.

Michael: Got who?

George, Sr.: Andy Griffith. What, you never saw Matlock?

Michael: Not a real attorney, Dad.

George, Sr.: Now, for ten grand, he’ll actually sit behind us in court and read the paper. For $15,000, he’ll actually sit at the defense table. For $20,000, he’ll twice lean forward (Whispers) and whisper something in your ear. Oh. White suit, that’s extra.

Michael: Boy, that’s an awful lot of money for the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard.

George, Sr.: The juries love him.

Michael: That’s just it, Dad. There won’t be a jury because we are pleading guilty.

George, Sr.: I am not guil... All right, I didn’t want to tell you this. Are you ready for the bombshell?

Michael: Andy Griffith wasn’t the bombshell?

George, Sr.: I’m a patsy. I was set up. By the Brits.

Date: 2007/12/19 13:38:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 19 2007,13:27)
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Hermagoras shows up at Joe G's door to get that elusive ID evidence and is shot; the state contends that it was Joe G who shot Hermagoras.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Hermagoras recently?  The last I saw he was starting to read Sanford's Genetic Entropy book.  I'm concerned that Hermagoras' DNA might have succumbed to the SLoT.

Bob

As long as he's only reading it, he should be fine. However, if he tried to write a sentence in the margins of the book, we might want to send out a search party...

Speaking of missing AtBCer's, where is phonon? I miss his avatar, which is classic.

Date: 2007/12/19 18:39:52, Link
Author: Mister DNA
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 19 2007,17:46)
BarristerA continues to ignore Ftk. His critique of her comment vis "compromise" was the occasion for his post, but he continues to ignore her reply to that post. He has otherwise addressed responses to Sewell, bFast, Jerry, StephenB, and Semiotic 007 by name.

Ftk, I think you've been hung out to dry by your OWN team.

Ouch! The dreaded Double Piranha. Has FtK been, to put it in the vernacular, DPed?

Date: 2007/12/20 12:35:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 20 2007,12:26)
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,12:18)
Let's compromise and say it's true both ways.

ETA: Hey, Rudy Giuliani crossdresses, and he's having affairs with no fewer than two women at once by my best guess. Clearly, it's good a way to get women.

Richard's English. You don't have to sell him on the merits of crossdressing.

He's probably one of those executive transvestites...

Date: 2007/12/20 13:13:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 20 2007,12:56)
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 20 2007,13:55)
I think this is the first time I've been shunted to the bathroom wall.

I'd like to thank Richard, Arden, and especially Rudy Giuliani for helping me to accomplish this.

Congrats.

The first time is always special.

Yeah, my "double piranha" post from yesterday was my first time. *sniff*

Now I've had two posts in 24 hours moved to the Bathroom Wall.

It almost reminds me of the first time I had sex... except there's no pepper spray involved this time around.

Date: 2007/12/20 13:15:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,13:08)
PS MR DNA, YOU"LL GET YOURS, TOO.

:angry:

Now that this has been moved to the Bathroom Wall, I guess screen grabs from Pink Flamingos are fair game...

Date: 2007/12/20 13:23:25, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 20 2007,13:17)
They lost the war on science, they're losing the culture war(s), maybe just maybe they can claim the winners cup in the Amazon war.

All science so far.

Even that's highly doubtful. IIRC, both Abbie & PZ have written about traffic at UD...

For every cdesign proponentsist reading UD, isn't there about five evil Darwinian materialists reading their stuff?

Then again, even if they lose the Amazon war, we'll be facing our Waterloo in April of '08 when Expelled is finally released...

Date: 2007/12/20 15:38:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,15:35)
Quote (sparc @ Dec. 20 2007,15:38)
Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg.

When did Dembski lose 20 Kg?  Girly-man looks about 60 max to me.

That sweater has gotta add 10 pounds at the very least.

Date: 2007/12/22 13:37:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
ha ha one of the words I got was "mesomorph".

I also got "vacuous". No "notpology", though...

Date: 2007/12/24 10:15:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
During the Holidays, let's not forget the Reason for Season:

Date: 2007/12/28 10:56:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 28 2007,10:35)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Dec. 28 2007,10:02)
Quite.

Although I would like to point out skinhead does not equal "white supremacist" or any form of racist really. There are major sectors of skinhead culture that are exceptionally Anti-racist. Just a small point.

It might be a British thing, 'cause in my experience skinhead has almost always meant neo-Nazi. We not only import your slang, we also narrow its definition down beyond all reason.

There are indeed non-racist skinheads in the US - SHARP (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) was founded in the US -  but I think they're outnumbered in a big way. The few non-racist skins I've known gave it up after becoming tired of having to explain themselves.

It's a completely different scene in Europe, I know. But over here, a non-racist adopting the skinhead look is sort of like an African-American wearing a klan robe & hood...

Date: 2007/12/28 22:08:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 28 2007,21:57)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 28 2007,22:38)
Okey, dokey then.

Just out of curiosity, I'd be interested in what literature you've read in regard to creation science.

Never took an intro to logic class where you learned about the tu quoque fallacy, didja?

That class must have taken place on the same day as "Age of the Earth 101"

Date: 2007/12/28 22:45:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 28 2007,22:10)
I've got about five boxes of antievolution literature in storage. I have signed copies of volumes by Whitcomb, ReMine, Wells, and Bohlin. I've also read a chunk of the volumes that NCSE has in its library of antievolution literature. I've also read several bits of antievolution literature not available to the general public.

I've demonstrated here before that I know the antievolution literature much better than does FtK. I haven't run across any of it that rises above "misleading propaganda".

Wesley,

Should you ever run low on storage space and need to get rid of some of those boxes full of "creation science" books, you can easily condense all of them into one handy volume:

Date: 2007/12/29 12:44:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 29 2007,12:36)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 29 2007,13:15)
Nope, you're a coward.  

In a professional written debate with editors and teams, you people will back away every single time.  You can't rely on the peanut gallery to charge in with their regular gang banging techniques.  And, a one on one on the internet would be extremely difficult to read due to the length at which this debate would have to take.


Exactly.

I don't know why FtK is so enamored of Dr. Brown's debate offer; it's nothing more than a slightly more sophisticated variant of "Dr." Hovind's "$250,000 Challenge".

If Dr. Brown is so eager for debate, he should just submit his "research" for peer-review. Then he can go from being a "creation scientist" to an actual scientist.

Instead, Brown wants to publish the debate results in book format. Yeah, this is the bleeding edge of science, people.

Date: 2007/12/29 16:07:48, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (argystokes @ Dec. 29 2007,14:59)
Ah, in true creationist fashion:
 
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12. Each side is encouraged correct errors in its case. Corrections or deletions of previously made arguments are allowed if they do not exceed the word limit. If, however, a correction is suggested by an opponent’s rebuttal, that error can be changed only as described in paragraph 13 below.

13. When the fourth submission has been made and all new issues have been answered, each side can propose that certain of its arguments be deleted or modified. This “bartering process” between debaters is intended to aid the reader by eliminating, in balanced fashion, earlier statements that are superfluous, inaccurate, or have been effectively rebutted. The editor will try to facilitate the bartering process.



So rebutted arguments go unseen, and only those not addressed (as would have to be the case) make it into the public eye. You can't really see this "challenge" as serious, can you?

I've always been of the opinion that in addition to all the ass-whippings creationists have received in court, they also learned a lesson from Mel Mermelstein's lawsuit against the IHR.

There's lots of info on the web about Joe Meert's attempts to debate Dr. Brown. It's a fool's errand.

Date: 2007/12/29 16:33:33, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 29 2007,16:14)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 29 2007,16:07)
 
Quote (argystokes @ Dec. 29 2007,14:59)
Ah, in true creationist fashion:
   
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12. Each side is encouraged correct errors in its case. Corrections or deletions of previously made arguments are allowed if they do not exceed the word limit. If, however, a correction is suggested by an opponent’s rebuttal, that error can be changed only as described in paragraph 13 below.

13. When the fourth submission has been made and all new issues have been answered, each side can propose that certain of its arguments be deleted or modified. This “bartering process” between debaters is intended to aid the reader by eliminating, in balanced fashion, earlier statements that are superfluous, inaccurate, or have been effectively rebutted. The editor will try to facilitate the bartering process.



So rebutted arguments go unseen, and only those not addressed (as would have to be the case) make it into the public eye. You can't really see this "challenge" as serious, can you?

I've always been of the opinion that in addition to all the ass-whippings creationists have received in court, they also learned a lesson from Mel Mermelstein's lawsuit against the IHR.

There's lots of info on the web about Joe Meert's attempts to debate Dr. Brown. It's a fool's errand.

If Jack hadn't recently closed the old forums at kcfs, I could relay endless conversations I had with Joe.

It came down to the fact that Joe insisted on bringing up religion.  Walt wouldn't do it.  Period.  Any day Joe is ready to reconsider....Walt's ready.

It's much more complicated than that. I can remember when Joe Meert was trying to debate Walt Brown back in the days of the OCW* forum.

Dr. Brown had a stipulation in the debate agreement that a neutral third party could approve modifications to the debate. When Joe Meert suggested some modifications, Dr. Brown refused to submit them to a third party, and - If I understand correctly (it's been almost a decade since I followed the Meert/Brown debacle) - Dr. Brown has since reworded the ground rules for his "debate".

Like I said, it's a fool's errand.

* OCW stands for "Organization of Creationist Websites" - it used to be a really great message board; it's where Joe G pulled some of his classic stunts... If any lurkers want some more info on how "Creation Scientists" handle written debates, check out this page about Fred Williams, Walter ReMine and the infamous "Moderator 3". Great stuff... ah, those were the days.

Date: 2007/12/29 19:09:19, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 29 2007,18:42)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 29 2007,18:34)
Then maybe you can tell me why almost every regular poster at this forum is an atheist or a strong agnostic.

... first off, those mean almost the same thing. Second, I don't think it's true. Third, if it is true, it doesn't necessarily imply anything in particular without some rather good argument.

 
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If it were not for the philosophical and religious issues in this debate, none of you would be so hell bent on protecting Darwinism to the bitter end.


And it definitely doesn't imply this.

 
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Your motivations are no different than my own....the only difference is that I'm honest about it.  We are all interesting in the scientific aspect as well as the religious implications.


Nope. Even if the assumptions leading up to this sentence were true, it still doesn't follow that we're all interested in religious implications. Some people could, you know, care about science education, the science itself, or the politics surrounding ID without being hardcore Darwin-obsessed preachers.

This is religious for you. The assumption that it's religious for everyone else is a little weak.

Just more projection on FtK's part. Creationists love to yammer on about "Darwinist presuppositions" and how the judgment of scientists is clouded by atheistic assumptions and whatnot. Yet...

In India, Hindu scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

In Japan, Buddhist & Shinto scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

In Turkey, Islamic scientists have come to the conclusion that earth is old.

In Tel Aviv, Jewish scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

At Brigham Young University, the Mormon scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

At Notre Dame University, the Catholic scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

At Baylor University, the Baptist scientists have come to the conclusion that the earth is old.

You see, FtK... when all these scientists from all these diverse religious groups look at the same evidence, they reach the same conclusion.

When Hindu fundamentalists look at the evidence, they see an earth that is hundreds of billions years old.

When Christian, Jewish and Muslim fundamentalists look at the evidence, they see 6-10,000 years.

The atheism bugaboo might sell in the pews on Sunday, but it doesn't cut it in the real world.

Date: 2007/12/29 19:24:02, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Doc Bill @ Dec. 29 2007,19:10)
I also taught in college and spent 30 years in the oil/gas industry.

That's kinda where the rubber meets the road, right there.

Sure, there are creationists in the petroleum industry, but Exxon, BP and all the others are looking for Petroleum Engineers, not "Creationist Petroleum Engineers".

The company man doesn't call the geologist asking for confirmation that they're currently drilling through the Moses Formation. The Mud Logging Unit doesn't tell the driller that all that excess gas coming out of the hole is due to the Fall of Man.

If the geology as practiced by "creation scientists" had anything of value to offer, you better believe that it would be in use at this very moment.

Date: 2007/12/29 20:36:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Arden's post on the Young Cosmos thread reminded me of a Christmas song... a lounge version of "What Child is This" sung to the tune of "Sweet Child O' Mine".

Listen to it here.

If you wanna download it... here.

Date: 2007/12/29 23:07:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 29 2007,22:40)
That is illogical, but nonetheless have it your way.  Evidence will merely have to be reinterpreted and rewritten in a YE format, much like the  way in which evidence that clearly makes more sense from a young earth perspective is forced into an OE perspective....  ie. dinosaur soft tissue being preserved for 60,000,000 years.  Bizarre.

This is exactly why "creation science" will forever be to science what dealing crack is to pharmacology.

Finding dinosaur soft tissue is an anomaly, to be sure, but why would it put the age of the earth into question? Is there any need to rewrite the laws of physics because some soft dinosaur tissue was found? Because that's exactly what would need to be done.

I still get mail belonging to a former resident in my mailbox. Using your, ahem, "logic" that could be interpreted as evidence that the former resident never moved out.

Date: 2007/12/30 21:41:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 30 2007,19:26)
Granny Spice writes:

http://www.arn.org/_idarts/wordpress/?p=96

   
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Here are some illustrations riffing off the popular myth of the “Ascent of Man”, and other evolution folklore:



She is just so hip and down wit' the kids. word.


No wonder OE is blooming.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that there really is no Denyse O'Leary. I mean, there's probably a flash-and-blood Denyse O'Leary, but she can not possibly write as badly as the scribblings attributed to the Denyse O'Leary who has 200 blogs. It's gotta be some kind of experimental software based on those mass-emailing programs that add random words to spam e-mails.
 
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For a spoof of Darwinism by ID-friendly wags, you can’t beat the Brites.org, its very name a spoof of The Brights - a group of self-consciously superior Darwinists.


You see, dear readers, it's funny because "Brites" sounds likes "Brights". Also, knock-knock jokes are funny, because you expect a person to be at the door, not a play on words!

As if the "humor" at The Brites isn't lame enough, Denyse manages to make it even lamer when writing about it. Denyse's take, er... I mean "riff" for all the kizzles in the hizzle:
 
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Professor of Pugilism Conway Moore attempts to savage ID-friendly astronomer Guillermo Gonzalez:

From the actual article:
 
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I chatted by phone today with Dr. Ivan A. Conway Moore, Ph.E., Thomas Huxley Professor of Pugilistic Ideology at Iowa State University.

Thinking brevity is the soul of wit, O'Leary abbreviates "Professor of Pugilistic Ideology" to "Professor of Pugilism" making it read as if a boxing coach is trying to "savage" Guillermo Gonzalez.

I realize I'm no Joseph Heller or Kurt Vonnegut when it comes to writing, but if I wrote like Denyse O'Leary, I'd start communicating through interpretive dance. Christ, a person blind from birth could describe the Mona Lisa better than Denyse O'Leary can write about... well, pretty much anything.

Date: 2007/12/30 22:24:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I realize that it's due to Slimy Sal's article that the whole sex with animals thing was introduced, but as far as morality goes, it's a non-issue. If the religious leaders worldwide held a press conference tomorrow with PETA and Richard Dawkins, announcing that sex with animals was perfectly acceptable, it's highly doubtful that there would be a sudden surge in bestiality. As others have pointed out, the majority of humans on this planet are not sexually attracted to animals.

Date: 2007/12/30 23:33:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 30 2007,23:12)
 
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Nobody ever had to tell me that buggering an animal is wrong, because I don't feel attracted to animals.


Okay, but *some* people do enjoy it, so perhaps once the stigma is lifted and those acceptance genes are inherited by offspring (lol...I don't think evolution can work that way can it? scientists feel free to step in here and answer this one), perhaps that icky feeling will evolve away, and the act will become more common and acceptable.  Would that be a problem for you?

For the people who are sexually attracted to animals, morality probably doesn't enter the question. To put it bluntly, there's probably some faulty wiring somewhere.

I don't know about bestiality, but there are some states in the Union that have no laws against necrophilia, but there doesn't seem to be any outbreaks of widespread necrophilia.*

As far as evolution and bestiality go... I would think that a person who openly practices sex with animals would not be particularly desirable to the opposite sex, thus severely reducing their chances of producing offspring. If bestiality was practiced on a wide scale, it would probably introduce some pretty nasty STDs, so the "ick" factor would be reinforced rather than reduced.

*Yeah, I know there's a difference between what's legal and what's moral...

Date: 2007/12/31 00:10:52, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 30 2007,23:51)
Quote (olegt @ Dec. 30 2007,23:40)
 
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I'm not attempting, as yet, to provide a reason why someone can't find bestiality unacceptable.  Any culture can come up reasons for their cultural morality,  I'm simply asking why *all* cultures find this act unacceptable.


Ftk,

Not quite so: there are well-known exceptions.  The ancient Greeks were fairly relaxed about it and so were some Asians.  Wikipedia has a short summary of the subject.

But, was it general practice?  Probably not...it was more acceptable, but chances are that *icky* feeling was still engrained in most people.  Wouldn't you think?

FtK, where are you going with this "icky feeling" tangent?

Surely you can't be arguing that some sort of supernatural entity hardwired humans with a distaste for for sex with animals.

I get an "icky feeling" at the thought of sex with an obese woman. It has nothing to do with morality; it's simply a matter of preference. Just like most people prefer not to have sex with animals, and that preference causes most people to feel discomfort at the thought of bestiality.

I fail to see where you're going with this. If you're arguing for some sort of moral agent, surely you could come up with a better example than an "icky feeling" about bestiality.

Date: 2007/12/31 00:23:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2007,00:15)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2007,23:54)
if it's 'engrained' in you, what do you need a book for?

Out of curiosity, where in the Bible does it say "don't roger the family dog?" I don't recall that Haysoos ever got around to mentioning it.

I don't think the J-man ever brought it up, but it is mentioned in Leviticus, Chapter 18, verse 23:
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Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.


Oddly enough, it's mentioned 3 verses after this pearl of wisdom:
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Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.


Is there an ingrained ickyness about extramarital sex?

Date: 2007/12/31 00:58:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2007,00:35)
Ah, yes, Leviticus is a barrel of laughs. The following bits seem to be where it says that Jews can't eat lobster:

   
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11.1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
11.2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
11.3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
11.4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11.5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11.6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11.7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11.8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
11.9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11.10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11.11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
11.12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

11.13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
11.14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11.15 Every raven after his kind;
11.16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind,
11.17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
11.18 And the redshank, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
11.19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
11.20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
11.21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
11.22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
11.23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
11.24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even.
11.25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
11.26 The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
11.27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
11.28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
11.29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
11.30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
11.31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.


Is there an ingrained ickiness about eating lobsters, eagles, ferrets and chameleons?

And does FTK keep kosher? If not, why not?

I get an icky feeling about eating lobster, but only if there's no melted butter available. Apparently, I'm supposed to have an icky feeling about shrimp and catfish, too.

I do, however, have a deeply entrenched icky feeling about green peas. It runs so deep that I can't stand to watch other people eat them, and if I see someone eating them on television, I have to turn my head away.

Is there anything in Leviticus about green peas?

Date: 2007/12/31 01:26:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 31 2007,00:56)
That is why IDists always harp on moral Darwinism.  Morals are obviously connected to and the result of evolution.  If you are an atheist, that is the end of the story.  That also means that moral absolutes don't exist.  They simply can't because there is no ultimate law giver and life continues to evolve.

Actually, the reason IDists harp on about "moral Darwinism" is because it's not like they're busy doing real science or anything.

To deny that our cultural morals don't evolve is as ridiculous as denying biological evolution.

It used to be morally acceptable to lynch blacks and Jews. It's not like a small handful of "bad apples" lynched people. Newspapers used to editorialize on the virtues of lynching. Here's what the governor of California said regarding a lynching that took place in San Jose in 1933:
 
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"If anyone is arrested for this good job, I'll pardon them all. The aroused people of that fine city of San Jose were so enraged...it was only natural that peaceful and law abiding as they are, they should rise and mete out swift justice to these two murderers and kidnappers."


Can you point out to me the missive that The Ultimate Law Giver issued that told people that lynching was no longer socially acceptable behavior? I know there's that whole "Thou Shalt Not Kill" thing that's been around awhile, but lynching was obviously an exception to that rule for hundreds of years.

Then again, it could be that millions of non-white American citizens fought in a World War, went to college on the GI Bill after said World War and realized that all those rights detailed in the constitution applied to all citizens and a larger push for civil rights occurred in the postwar years. As a result, lynching became - for the most part - a shameful memory.

I also fail to see why you're arguing for both moral absolutes and an "ultimate law giver": the two are almost mutually exclusive. Or should I say, the YHWH of the Bible is the Granddaddy of Moral Relativists.

Date: 2007/12/31 01:53:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2007,01:31)
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I also fail to see why you're arguing for both moral absolutes and an "ultimate law giver": the two are almost mutually exclusive.


Perhaps FTK wants us to infer that they're the same thing?

It would be nice if she would clear this up.

I'm constantly amused by religionists who seem to think adherence to a religious code = moral absolutism.

If moral absolutes are some sort of imperative, it would be best to jettison any Bible-based morality.

If killing is morally wrong, it's morally wrong. The absolutist position would include cases in which bears are sent forth to maul children for making fun of someone's baldness (2Kings 2:24) or when soldiers are commanded to kill female and child prisoners of war (Numbers 31:17).

I've actually heard people say that since God commanded these things, they were - by default - Good Things. And this is while they were arguing for moral absolutism at the same time.

The mind boggles.

Date: 2007/12/31 14:13:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Dec. 31 2007,13:25)
Quote (dheddle @ Dec. 31 2007,13:03)
Of all the strange stuff that gets posted on UD, those "brites" photos are possibly the most jarring. They fail to make a point, and, unpardonably, they are not funny. The first time I saw one I dismissed it to someone posting while they were under the influence of 'ludes. But there have been too many repeat occurrences. Probably, like most of you, I try to see why someone posts or writes something, from their own perspective. By that method I am rarely surprised at something that most people write, once I know something about them. But the "brites" posts--I simply cannot temporarily reconfigure myself into a frame of mind where such posts make sense. You just can’t get there from here.

Is it safe to assume that 'Galapagos Finch' = 'William Dembski'?

I've always found Dembski's sense of humor to be really creepy, like that of a socially hopeless 14-YO boy. Judging from the comments there, the UD regulars aren't really into it, either.

Yeah, I get a real Asperger's Syndrome vibe from the humor at The Brites. Years ago, there was an autistic kid who became a minor Usenet/Internet celebrity for his writings on the horrible 80s sitcom Small Wonder and the sad lack of family-friendly nudist sitcoms. That kid was the first thing that popped into my mind when I first saw The Brites.

The Brites looks like it was put together not by someone who isn't funny, but by someone who just flat-out has no grasp whatsoever about the concept of humor.

Even those silly cartoons that Answers In Genesis publishes - while still painfully unfunny - are done in a manner where their intended audience can see the humor.

Date: 2007/12/31 15:03:29, Link
Author: Mister DNA
It's rather silly to think that "morality comes from evolution" - it's sort of like saying "electricity comes from televisions"; there's several crucial components missing.

Morals come from our - well, most of our - ability to reason. Most men are hardwired with a desire to have sex with roughly half the world's human population, but not all men act on that desire.

Many cultures place a premium on marital fidelity, but adultery occurs in pretty much all cultures. Your ridiculous "Darwinism" strawman isn't the cause of adultery - nor is it the justification - it's simply the explanation.

Date: 2007/12/31 15:14:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote
Antievolution.org Discussion Board welcomes our newest member onlycheapsuperviagra making a total of 2658 registered members.


Looks like the discussion is going to get pretty lively in the next few days.

Date: 2007/12/31 15:41:10, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (dheddle @ Dec. 31 2007,15:31)
It appears that the latest "Brites" UD post, on industrial sabotage of stem cell research, the one that was generating embarrassment among the UD faithful, was constructed from some of those famous short half-life UD isotopes.

Tardium 404, I think.


edited: added linkage.

Date: 2007/12/31 17:15:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 31 2007,16:47)
 
Quote (olegt @ Dec. 31 2007,15:47)
   
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 31 2007,15:41)
     
Quote (dheddle @ Dec. 31 2007,15:31)
It appears that the latest "Brites" UD post, on industrial sabotage of stem cell research, the one that was generating embarrassment among the UD faithful, was constructed from some of those famous short half-life UD isotopes.

Tardium 404, I think.


edited: added linkage.

This is brutally funny.

I imagine the image itself is still available at the original site.
http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe/aggregator/sources/2

Indeed, the article is still up.

For those of you with young children... you might dread the day you have to explain the concept of death to a young, innocent mind, but the solution is simple:

"You see, son, death is what happens when William Dembski attempts to be funny."

Date: 2007/12/31 17:36:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 31 2007,17:31)
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 31 2007,17:21)
We don't even use half of the brain capability that we have.  How in the world did it evolve without being used in some manner?

Got a citation for that?  I'm pretty sure that we don't use all of our brain all of the time, but the idea that we only ever use a small percentage (or less than half) of our brain is, I think, an urban legend.

Yep.

Date: 2007/12/31 20:49:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 31 2007,20:34)
Good golly, FtK, I'm astounded that someone who opines so loudly and so frequently about evolutionary theory doesn't have the first clue about it.  Seriously. I'm a freaking brain-dead MBA and I understand that.

It is astounding, isn't it? I wish I had the time and inclination to search through this thread and provide a link FtK's post in which she listed all that peer-reviewed literature she's read (IIRC, she posted it after being asked once). It was pretty impressive list, to be sure, so one would expect her understanding of biological evolution to be a little more up to speed.

Date: 2007/12/31 21:23:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 31 2007,21:11)
ETA:  Has anyone coined "Tardutainment" yet?

You might wanna check with the legal dep't at Fox News before using it.

Date: 2007/12/31 22:34:10, Link
Author: Mister DNA
If FtK drinks enough tonight, maybe we can talk her into removing her...














blog's strict moderation policy.

Date: 2008/01/01 14:46:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 01 2008,11:00)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 01 2008,11:55)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 01 2008,09:38)
You guys are really too simple minded when considering sexual reproduction.  

You say that like it is a bad thing.


Best post this YEAR, dude! *grabs photo*

Somewhere on the internet, there is - or used to be, at least - a guy who made custom rack mounts. They were basically "spacers" with functional fans to keep your legit rack equipment from overheating.

One of them was the "Pallindromator"; all the controls were pallindromes. Another had a bunch of "Funk" controls.

For the life of me, I can't find a link, but that image looks like something he would make.

Very cool, nonetheless.

Date: 2008/01/01 15:28:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 01 2008,15:04)
Quote (BopDiddy @ Jan. 01 2008,14:57)
Galapagos Finch?  If only I had the photoshop skills to add a HUUUGE sweater:


That's 'Gloppy' to the initiated.

Hoo Hoo, Dembski, baby! I've got a joke that's gonna make you look like a bitter, humorless crank who will be lucky if he's relegated to a minor footnote in the history of science!

Oops! I see you've already heard it!

Date: 2008/01/01 21:43:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I've got Jesus Camp in my Netflix queue, but it keeps getting pushed to the back so I can feed my Anime addiction.

Those of you who have seen Jesus Camp might wanna check out Hell House, a documentary about one of those Jesus-y Haunted Houses put on by a church in North Texas. It's quite possibly the only chance you'll ever get to hear a teenage girl say, "I get to be suicide abortion girl!", gleefully, and without irony.

Date: 2008/01/01 22:37:00, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 01 2008,22:27)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 29 2007,21:36)
Arden's post on the Young Cosmos thread reminded me of a Christmas song... a lounge version of "What Child is This" sung to the tune of "Sweet Child O' Mine".

Listen to it here.

If you wanna download it... here.

You've heard the Richard Cheese lounge version of Disturbed's Down With the Sickness, no?

I don't think so... however, Binsearch turned up about 5 Richard Cheese albums, so I'm gonna check it out...

Date: 2008/01/01 22:46:38, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 01 2008,22:27)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Dec. 29 2007,21:36)
Arden's post on the Young Cosmos thread reminded me of a Christmas song... a lounge version of "What Child is This" sung to the tune of "Sweet Child O' Mine".

Listen to it here.

If you wanna download it... here.

You've heard the Richard Cheese lounge version of Disturbed's Down With the Sickness, no?

Okay, I have heard this - it was in the soundtrack of the Dawn of the Dead remake, wasn't it?

For some reason, I thought that was a band called Lounge Against The Machine...

I've got "Come Recline with Black Velvet Flag", which features Lounge/Easy Listening versions of old school punk songs like Suicidal Tendencies' "Institutionalized", Fear's "I Don't Care About You", etc.

Date: 2008/01/01 22:55:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I figured I'd bring this is up while this thread is near the top...

I've noticed there are a few Miyazaki fans on this thread - Kiki's Delivery Service is one of my favorite movies, animated or otherwise; it is without question my favorite Miyazaki movie.

I just read the other day that Disney is planning a live-action Kiki's Delivery Service for 2009. If it has half the charm of the original, it will still be good, but I think they'll try to Americanize it too much...

Date: 2008/01/02 16:15:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 02 2008,16:09)
What any of this has to do with moral relativism, I have no idea. (just kidding. I know that it's a common talking point to call someone a moral relativist when they believe in giving people greater freedoms). I don't think Ftk knows what moral relativism is.

And of course, FtK is not going to expound on her position, other than some stuff about "icky feelings".

Date: 2008/01/02 16:33:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 02 2008,16:20)
Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 02 2008,17:16)
Congratulations to FtK and Sal on managing to finally get a reasonably extended discussion of just how icky horse sex is. I'm just going to assume you enjoy it, due to the sheer willfulness with which you've pushed to center your position on ranting about sex with animals, incest, orgies, homosexuality, marriage and pedophilia.

Your logical connection with "Darwinism" is nonexistant, delusional, and already easily refuted. The rest of this is unrelated bad logic and appeal to emotion. By "emotion" I mean "fear, disgust and hate", which I guess some people are into. I won't touch that, and since you won't properly support any other argument - for instance, a scientific one - at all, that leaves nothing worth saying.

Have fun.

Maybe FtK is concerned about it because rural right-wingers enjoy sex with animals.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/11/1356/79678

Us big-city atheists don't share their perversions.

Does anyone here remember Neal Horsley's "Christian Gallery" website?

Actually, it's still up and it makes Fred Phelps' site look positively tame by comparison.

Years ago, he used to have a page up that advocated the use of nuclear weapons against major US cities - there was an infamous page of graphics that showed why the cities needed to be nuked.

Date: 2008/01/02 17:25:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 02 2008,17:15)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 02 2008,17:33)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 02 2008,16:20)
   
Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 02 2008,17:16)
Congratulations to FtK and Sal on managing to finally get a reasonably extended discussion of just how icky horse sex is. I'm just going to assume you enjoy it, due to the sheer willfulness with which you've pushed to center your position on ranting about sex with animals, incest, orgies, homosexuality, marriage and pedophilia.

Your logical connection with "Darwinism" is nonexistant, delusional, and already easily refuted. The rest of this is unrelated bad logic and appeal to emotion. By "emotion" I mean "fear, disgust and hate", which I guess some people are into. I won't touch that, and since you won't properly support any other argument - for instance, a scientific one - at all, that leaves nothing worth saying.

Have fun.

Maybe FtK is concerned about it because rural right-wingers enjoy sex with animals.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/11/1356/79678

Us big-city atheists don't share their perversions.

Does anyone here remember Neal Horsley's "Christian Gallery" website?

R the MFing A.

I read the linked article - not the comments. Reading the comments at DailyKos is right up there with self-trepination on my "things I like to do" list.

I've never been clear about whether or not the Nuremberg Files were posted at the Christian Gallery or not - and I've never had the stomach to search through that site to find out. And the link does nothing to clear that up.

Date: 2008/01/02 18:22:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
The "Recent Comments" sidebar at Young Cosmos is hilarious.

Date: 2008/01/02 20:01:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 02 2008,18:49)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 02 2008,19:22)
The "Recent Comments" sidebar at Young Cosmos is hilarious.

Yeah it is.

He's so dumb.  

Note to anyone who cares:  Ftk just moved venues over to Pharyngula and started all over again like this discussion never took place.

Funny?  Yes.  Shocking?  Not even a little bit.

I'm writing about that at this very moment. FtK has won an award of her own.

Stay tuned.

Date: 2008/01/02 22:26:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,22:20)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 02 2008,22:09)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,21:11)
Dave: Here, comment 29.

       
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Of course adults should be allowed to engage in incest. I just personally think breeding would be very bad idea, for obvious reasons.

Good lord, Skatje puts up with some flaming assholes at her blog. I'm amazed that she won't even ban Legion.

I think it's true: I think a certain kind of fundie shithead harasses Skatje because they're too lame to take on PZ, so she's an unthreatening surrogate target.

If they take on PZ, they'll just get banned anyway.  

Talk back to the big guy and your gone....dungeon city.

What song would you like to hear, FtK?

Date: 2008/01/02 22:27:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 02 2008,22:25)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,22:20)
Talk back to the big guy and your gone....dungeon city.

best Sig. Evvvvvvver?

Say it it your worst B-movie actor giving bad monologue style.

Yeah, a Jack Webb voice works perfectly. Especially since it kinda rhymes with Jack Krebs.

Date: 2008/01/02 22:50:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,22:45)
Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 02 2008,20:02)
I'm a little perplexed that someone who's just had trouble with the definition of the word "condone" would continue using it in the exact same context in a different place.

Hey, I can't help it if people don't know the definition of condone.  In fact, in my dictionary the definition I used is the only one available.  

Same here.  

I have no idea why every is so worked up over that word.

Hmmm.... could it be because you knowingly and willfully used people's misuse of the word to score a cheap rhetorical point?

Date: 2008/01/02 23:11:38, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,22:55)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 02 2008,22:38)
r-e-a-d-t-h-i-s-v-e-r-y-s-l-o-w-l-y-s-o-i-t-c-a-n-s-i-n-k-i-n

 
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There are all kinds of books written in regard to how morals and religious thought supposedly "evolved".


Those 'books' have jack-shit to do with evolutionary biology.  That sort of topic has the same relationship to [the science of understanding the relationships between organisms via common descent and natural selection] as does a sculpture made from the pubic hair of Franciscan nuns to the statue of liberty.

It's like blaming the inventor of language (hmmm, let's see, that would be Yahweh, two times:  Eden and Babel) for Two Live Crew or Celine Dion.  Are you stupid enough to be willing to do that?  I imagine that you can probably believe that it is true and not true, simultaneously.

Good grief, man.  What is wrong with you?  For the atheist, morality evolved along with the brain, the mind, our thoughts and social skills.

Good grief, indeed. Erasmus spelled out "Read this very slowly so it can sink in", hoping that you just might once get the point, FtK. Sadly, it was not to be.

Let's try again.

You said:
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here are all kinds of books written in regard to how morals and religious thought supposedly "evolved".


Erasmus said:
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Those 'books' have jack-shit to do with evolutionary biology.

(this was right after he said, "Read this very slowly so it can sink in")

You respond with:
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What is wrong with you?  For the atheist, morality evolved along with the brain, the mind, our thoughts and social skills.


Do you understand that there is a difference between "evolution" and "biological evolution"?

The fact that languages and societal norms evolve don't have anything whatsoever to do with biological evolution.

Look up the word "evolution" in your ever-loving dictionary. It's located somewhere between the words "anus" and "perineum".

Date: 2008/01/02 23:20:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,23:04)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 02 2008,22:50)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,22:45)
   
Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 02 2008,20:02)
I'm a little perplexed that someone who's just had trouble with the definition of the word "condone" would continue using it in the exact same context in a different place.

Hey, I can't help it if people don't know the definition of condone.  In fact, in my dictionary the definition I used is the only one available.  

Same here.  

I have no idea why every is so worked up over that word.

Hmmm.... could it be because you knowingly and willfully used people's misuse of the word to score a cheap rhetorical point?

You're kidding me right?  Trying to get a rise out me or what?  I'm talking to professors and supposed highly educated people.  My word usage was entirely accurate, and I was confused from the start as to why there was such a freak fest over it.  I have no idea why so many people don't know the definition of "condone", but their ignorance can't be blamed on me.

No, FtK, I'm not trying to get a rise out you. Considering your seemingly permanent state of agitation, I don't wish to exacerbate things.

But FFS, a few hours after incorygible came to your defense regarding the use of the word "condone", you left this turd at PZ's blog:

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Your daughter condones sex with animals as well as incestuous relationships. Sal and I pointed that out.


You even added the odd emphasis on the word "condones". Someone here noted that you were taking up the discussion at PZ's blog as if nothing had ever taken place here.

I knew what you were up to the minute I saw your post at Pharyngula.

If that "gets a rise" out of you, so be it. We'll just add some more lumber to the cross you've decided to call home.

Date: 2008/01/02 23:44:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 02 2008,23:30)
Just because Dave and OM didn't know the definition of the word certainly shouldn't mean that no one knows the definition.  

IMHO, it's the best definition to use in this case.

I never said otherwise. What I implied was that you knew that people were going to misinterpret your use of the word "condone" by conflating it with the word "advocates" and you used the word hoping to score a cheap rhetorical point.

If you were at all capable of discussing the morality or immorality of bestiality beyond some vague "icky feeling", this never would have happened, FtK.

Sure, it sucks that you got banned at Pharyngula, but look at this way: now you can spend more time with us.

Date: 2008/01/02 23:54:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 02 2008,23:46)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 03 2008,00:44)
Sure, it sucks that you got banned at Pharyngula, but look at this way: now you can spend more time with us.

Oh joy.

What can I say? I only use teh Tard on a recreational basis, but I'm severely addicted to Dembski's Friday Meltdowns. FtK keeps the shakes away during those lean times.

Date: 2008/01/03 07:19:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (dheddle @ Jan. 03 2008,07:06)
Furthermore, even if I was brought to a frothing rage by her post, to go after it even via a fair fisking would violate one of my taboos. Call me old fashioned, but even on the internet I think minors should be treated with kid gloves.

I was thinking the same thing before I went to her site - then I saw that she is more than capable of defending her position.

However, I have a feeling that her article is ultimately going to reach the wrong audience - it's already being discussed at Vox Day's site - and she's not going to be dealing with poorly reasoned arguments, she's going to be dealing with death threats and rape fantasies.

Date: 2008/01/03 10:15:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 03 2008,10:09)
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 03 2008,09:59)
No, I believe they were engraved with a moral compass.

So then what use is the bible? If they are born so engraved why bother with the bible? Why is it needed for to have moral values? What's in the bible that's not engraved at birth then?

We need the Bible so that we can determine the age of the earth, silly!

Date: 2008/01/03 11:02:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 03 2008,10:49)
J-Dog.  As I've said before, I am my own island, and that should be quite apparent.

You're not an island, FtK, you're a peninsula. A peninsula firmly attached to the continent of Cordovastan.

Date: 2008/01/03 13:04:33, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 03 2008,12:27)
Religion evolved as well.  Ask Dawkins.  PZ gave a speech in MN on the evolution of the mind a few months ago.  The mind evolved, and religious thought evolved along with it.  There is no other way it could have come about.  As our brain, mind, and thoughts evolved thoughout time, alone with those evolving thought came our religious ideals.

IF RELIGION EVOLVED, WHY ARE THEIR STILL JEWS????!!!ONE?

Date: 2008/01/03 13:23:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 03 2008,13:15)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 03 2008,13:04)
   
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 03 2008,12:27)
Religion evolved as well.  Ask Dawkins.  PZ gave a speech in MN on the evolution of the mind a few months ago.  The mind evolved, and religious thought evolved along with it.  There is no other way it could have come about.  As our brain, mind, and thoughts evolved thoughout time, alone with those evolving thought came our religious ideals.

IF RELIGION EVOLVED, WHY ARE THEIR STILL JEWS????!!!ONE?

Or, for that matter, still Christians? (from the Islamic perspective)

Matter of fact, shouldn't we all be Scientologists by now?

Hmmm... what's L. Ron's policy on bestiality? As a Darwinist, that's a big selling point, you know.

Date: 2008/01/03 13:48:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 03 2008,13:39)
If anyone has unused irony-meter jokes in their desk drawers, Pirahna Lady lecturing us on linguistic precision is the best opportunity you'll have in weeks.


In Soviet Russia, Irony Meter breaks you!


Hey, you asked for unused irony meter jokes, not good ones.

Date: 2008/01/04 07:44:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,07:28)
Hey, what happened to the Trackback widget in the sidebar at Young Cosmos????

*snicker*

JanieBelle has a clue...

heh... I knew it was too good to last. I got a buttload of traffic from Young Cosmos yesterday.

There's some nifty screen caps of the "Recent Comments" sidebar here.

Date: 2008/01/04 07:51:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Damn, this thread is actually in danger of falling off page 1. Dembski better start doing some science have a meltdown soon.

Date: 2008/01/04 08:23:06, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,07:55)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 04 2008,08:44)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,07:28)
Hey, what happened to the Trackback widget in the sidebar at Young Cosmos????

*snicker*

JanieBelle has a clue...

heh... I knew it was too good to last. I got a buttload of traffic from Young Cosmos yesterday.

There's some nifty screen caps of the "Recent Comments" sidebar here.

Yeah, Janie had an all time record day within an hour of PZ making his post about Sal's award.  Yesterday was almost three times THAT number.

There is a huge number of people out there that are now keenly aware of just what sort of folks inhabit Young Cosmos.

The girls and I love Ftk's latest, amazing, huge, earth-shattering discovery.  Made our morning.

:D

Keep in mind FtK is under the impression that:

a) Walt Brown is doing science

b) Sal Cordova is a nice person

c) naming her blog "Reasonable Kansans" gives people the impression that she's a reasonable person.

While it's funny as hell, it doesn't surprise me in the least that she thought JanieBelle was real.

Date: 2008/01/04 08:38:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,08:26)
Ftk, I know that you're intellectually challenged, and that you suffer from a massive, MONUMENTAL martyrdom complex, but honestly.  It's not hard.

If you wish to discuss UDoJ, there is a thread for that.

If you want to discuss my Aunt or me, do it at my blog.  The link is in my sig, which you have apparently missed for months on end.

If you wish to take cheap shots at me, do it at your blog.

If you wish to discuss Young Cosmos, that goes here.



ETA:  I really try hard to find new photos for each BW marker, but this one is just so damned appropriate.

Just a suggestion, Lou... maybe you could temporarily lock this thread until we can corral FtK back into her cage? If she wants to defend Slimy Sal, she can do it in her own thread.

I mean, I realize that FtK is free to post in any of the threads here, but no matter which thread she's in she's going to make it all about her. So we might as well try to contain the mess.

Date: 2008/01/04 08:49:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,08:48)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 04 2008,09:38)
Just a suggestion, Lou...

Thanks for the input, Mister D., but moderation discussion needs to travel via PM.

Just a friendly reminder (and a preemptive strike).

Sorry about that. I honestly didn't know.

Date: 2008/01/04 09:16:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,09:02)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 04 2008,09:57)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,08:55)
Now, let's get back to discussing Sal and his high moral standards, and overwhelming intellectual capacity.

Don't forget his high income and not-inexpensive tuxedo!

Edit: linky added

Argumentum ad formalwear?

Damn. If only Darwin would have included some smart fashion tips in The Origin of Species, this whole mess could have been avoided.

Curse you, Salvador Cordova!

Date: 2008/01/04 09:57:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I like how the Iowa Caucus post is marked "OFFTOPIC", yet "Flatulence removed from the 'Judge Jones School of Law'" is somehow on topic.

Date: 2008/01/04 10:06:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 04 2008,09:55)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,09:47)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 04 2008,10:43)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,09:49)
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Interesting hobby you've got going there....

Not as interesting as Ted Haggart's.

Yeah, but there is a big difference.  With Ted Haggard, we recognize that what he did is really slimy, wrong, and immoral.

Obviously, it was the dizzying hypocrisy of Haggard's behavior (given the bloated, judgmental self-righteousness of his extremely prominent public persona) and his attempt to lie his way out of his dilemma that was instructive. Not the garden variety sexual and substance behaviors with which he was struggling.

Not to mention all the innocent people he deliberately hurt in the process of being a lying hypocritical self-hating dirtbag.

He's in Jesus Camp also. Great stuff. And he used to 'advise' Bush on weekly calls.

Gee, W, some boys *do* have soft hands!

Haggard still hasn't learned his lesson, either. Ugh, he's just creepy.

Date: 2008/01/04 12:07:48, Link
Author: Mister DNA
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 04 2008,12:00)
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Jan. 04 2008,12:55)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,15:45)
I guess I didn't take you for the closet transvestite/Internet porn/dreaming of 21 year old girls-getting-slimy type.

What, specifically, is wrong with:

Being a transvestite? (no, I'm NOT one. I get uneasy in a pink shirt, for goodness sakes)

Being interested in porn? (aside from a few....less than savoury things)

Liking 21 year olds? (I like 21 year olds. Mind you, I am 20 so......)

You make a great "straight man" Ian (pun not originally intended, but funny anyway).

There are so many places to go with that quote, and many of them would even be topical...

This is the Young Cosmos thread, after all.

"I swear, officer! She told me she was 6,000 years old!"

Date: 2008/01/04 13:33:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 04 2008,13:23)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 04 2008,13:19)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 04 2008,14:03)
I didn't say I didn't think you have class. I believe I inferred that I thought you did in an earlier post (unless you're holding back on us about your private life of porn/bestiality/cross-dressing).

FOR GOD'S SAKE FTK!!

That is fucking IT!!!   I CAN'T STAND ANOTHER WORD!!!

You didn't INFER it, you IMPLIED it!!

(God could've done more for the world with incribed internal OEDs than these silly ineffectual compasses).

She scrambles 'affect' and 'effect', and can't spell 'you're' right either, but really, you want to go all Chicago Manual of Style with someone who doesn't know the difference between 'pariah' and 'pirahna'????


Elvis says, "FtK is nothing, if not a hound dog."

Date: 2008/01/04 15:14:47, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Here's some Theodor Geisel that's more up FtK's alley: The Dr. Seuss New Testament.

Date: 2008/01/05 17:33:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 05 2008,17:24)
 
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Another little fact, what YOU think is the God of biblical scripture, is not what tens upon thousands of other Christians think is the God of biblical scripture. Now, why are they wrong, and you right?


That's not accurate.  Most Christian creeds are universal.  There are secondary issues that people interpret in a variety of ways.  For example, the sacraments and beliefs in regard to evolution and biblical history.  That's fine, and it's good to discuss these issues as it brings everyone to a better understanding of scripture.

Actually, most Christian denominations don't have much of a policy on biological evolution. The Jehovah's Witnesses do, but we know they're not real Christians, right? (wink, wink - nudge, nudge)

There are certainly a lot of individual Christians who oppose biological evolution for religious reasons, but not that many churches want to make opposition to science part of their official mission.

Edited: removed extraneous apostrophe

Date: 2008/01/05 17:43:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
...

Edited.

Date: 2008/01/05 18:57:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Original thread: Video Tard

Date: 2008/01/05 19:39:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 05 2008,18:30)
Surely this can't be how AiG and co. want our children to turn out ?

It's probably not how they want their kids to turn out, but that's what they're gonna get. Creationism - and by extension Intelligent Design - are science stoppers.

I read (over at Fundies Say The Darnedest Things, I believe) that his reason for not allowing critical comments is that he "can't tolerate lies".

I don't think it's the creationists' goal to create mindless zombies like this kid, but it's not like they're out to create a bunch of great thinkers, either.

Date: 2008/01/05 20:04:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 05 2008,20:00)
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Hi Maya,

Enjoy.

A whole thread of 'em, some of them a riot.


I feel so 2007.   :p

Who's the balding younger guy?

That would be Slimy Sal.

(Check out the "Young Cosmos" thread for more details)

Date: 2008/01/05 22:12:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 05 2008,21:47)
 
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 05 2008,16:30)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 05 2008,05:58)
   
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 05 2008,00:37)
I do feel sorry for Larry sometimes.

I actually do too, sometimes.

But he does go out of his way to make it extremely difficult.

The brother incident was hoot.  Has he ever acknowledged that it was really his brother?

Yes, he did. He dropped the pretense that David F was an imposter and started doing this very sibling-rivalry bickering with him. Pretty funny, really.

Don't feel too sorry for Larry. In addition to his other charms, he's a Confederate apologist and a Holocaust denier.

Really? Could you find the link for that, or tell me what a good search keyword might be? Last I checked, he was still accusing Ed Brayton of impersonating Dave, while simultaneously impersonated Dave himself.

I know this isn't the link you're looking for, but it's hilarious, nonetheless:

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So in fact, the second Dave is really Larry pretending to be his brother. He even opened up another screen name on AOL and sent me an email that concludes:

 
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I trust that you will promptly take appropriate action.


Indeed I will. And I believe it is appropriate for me to laugh my ass off.

Update #2: Someone is now posting comments at Larry's blog as "Shemp Fafarman". Hysterical.

Date: 2008/01/06 14:29:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 06 2008,14:12)
Hopefully DaveTard will weigh in again at Ftk's newly resumed Diet Central.

I weighed in!  Ha I slay me!  Homos.
 
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Do you think that just maybe DaveScot might not be telling the whole truth with his diet stories?

Isn't it possible that there are two sides to this issue that we must weigh with equal measure (get it? weigh)?

On the one hand, DaveScot could lose 20 pounds a week, then put them back on in 2 days, then lose 5 pounds the next week, then lose 6 pounds every week for a month, then gain 41 pounds in a fortnight, then take it all off instantly--he's a mesomorph, you know?

On the other hand--and I think this is important--we teach the kids both sides of the issue.  This other side being that DaveScot is a compulsive liar, and has an ego-complex that needs to be fed.  The only food that satisfies him is winning--so he is obviously better at dieting than anyone else who has ever tried dieting.

What do you think?

Diet Central



Since Kristine is name-checked, maybe she can "weigh in" in the comments and let the world know exactly why she's pissed at FtK.

Date: 2008/01/06 16:00:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 06 2008,15:14)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 06 2008,09:18)
Ahhhh, but is the addition of information due to purposeless random culled accidents, or is it by design?*



*we need a sparkle-y font for D-E-S-I-G-N like PZ does comic for the creobots.

Try this thing, maybe?

I tried "All Science So Far" with that link, but no luck.

This one works, though.

Look for Arden to start posting glittery lolcats in 3... 2...

Date: 2008/01/06 18:28:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 06 2008,18:13)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 06 2008,13:29)
   
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 06 2008,14:12)
Hopefully DaveTard will weigh in again at Ftk's newly resumed Diet Central.

I weighed in!  Ha I slay me!  Homos.
     
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Do you think that just maybe DaveScot might not be telling the whole truth with his diet stories?

Isn't it possible that there are two sides to this issue that we must weigh with equal measure (get it? weigh)?

On the one hand, DaveScot could lose 20 pounds a week, then put them back on in 2 days, then lose 5 pounds the next week, then lose 6 pounds every week for a month, then gain 41 pounds in a fortnight, then take it all off instantly--he's a mesomorph, you know?

On the other hand--and I think this is important--we teach the kids both sides of the issue.  This other side being that DaveScot is a compulsive liar, and has an ego-complex that needs to be fed.  The only food that satisfies him is winning--so he is obviously better at dieting than anyone else who has ever tried dieting.

What do you think?

Diet Central



Since Kristine is name-checked, maybe she can "weigh in" in the comments and let the world know exactly why she's pissed at FtK.

My losing any appetite for further participation after that Sal/FTK orgy re Skatje at Young Cosmos is really supposed to be some kind of diet?

It worked.

Aw, c'mon, Kristine. After all, Slimy Sal did offer a notpology.

Date: 2008/01/07 10:12:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 07 2008,10:05)
Holy shit. Ftk is recycling AtBC posts to her blog. This one arrived unscathed (with the exception that quotes of prior sensible comments were removed - can't have that) - none of the prior or subsequent discussion having left the slightest blemish.

It's something to behold, really.

She's also offering advice on "How to raise activists for ID".

I posted the following comment:
 
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Hi FtK,

Could you post a link to this "anti-ID, anti-God, anti-religion, anti-science Darwinist forum"? Some of us at AtBC would be interested in checking out this site.


Damnit. I should have included a link to AtBC in my comment....

Date: 2008/01/07 10:24:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 07 2008,10:19)
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It'll put a bon fire under their boots...


Ah, ze French, Zay 'ave ze best fiyers, noh?

Does the Edit button at her own blog work?

Date: 2008/01/07 11:22:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 07 2008,11:08)
Oh look.

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Antievolution.org Discussion Board welcomes our newest member evolutionsafake making a total of 2719 registered members.


I wonder how that's going to go...

safake isn't that bad, provided it's fresh and you've got some wasabi.

Date: 2008/01/07 16:51:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (bfish @ Jan. 07 2008,16:20)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 07 2008,14:06)
 
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beliefs such as the notion that comments helped deliver water to planet earth.

All the more reason not to disable them on one's blog.

Oh, but comments aren't disabled on her blog. Holocaust denier Larry Fafarman posted a comment earlier today.

If our comments don't show up at her blog, it must be because we aren't the paragons of civility that Larry Fafarman is.

Date: 2008/01/07 21:48:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 07 2008,20:23)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 07 2008,11:12)
She's also offering advice on "How to raise activists for ID".

That's a sign of how clueless FtK is. You don't 'raise activists' for real scientific theories. Real scientific theories win when their advocates get enough data that the scientific community is convinced.

You 'raise activists' for religious or social movements, which is all ID is.

ID's Worst Enemy: "ID Activists"
(shameless blogwhoring)

Date: 2008/01/08 10:40:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,10:20)
Quote (factician @ Jan. 08 2008,09:37)
Is the creationwiki a parody?  Is it real?  It's pretty funny if it's real...

It's very real.  Hilarious, but real.  The intelligent design article is amusing, not a word about Dover.

Creationwiki is for those who think conservapedia is too liberal.

Date: 2008/01/08 11:06:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Assassinator @ Jan. 08 2008,10:03)
Nah she already sad a couple of days ago she would be back next week.

She's reading this thread... she's just not posting.

Date: 2008/01/08 11:33:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 08 2008,06:40)
Xcdesignproponentsists, too searching, is replaced:

37
DaveScot
01/08/2008
7:19 am

xcdesignwhatever is no longer with us. Anyone wanting to criticize Behe’s “Edge of Evolution” without bothering to read it first can do it elsewhere.

Maybe he can come back as xcdsuddenemergencesists.

Date: 2008/01/08 19:13:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 08 2008,17:09)
I can't help but wonder if the morphodyke is on medication.  Her writing suggests she either has some sort of mild cognitive problem or possibly she's taking medication that causes her to have a hard time making sense.

Or maybe she's just dumd as a fence post.  

"chimps are the smartest animals, or are they?  Maybe so maybe not"

Ok, like that was really illuminating.  Very sciency too.

I think O'Leary's prose-ac would be a lot more tolerable if she wasn't constantly reminding her audience that she thinks of herself as a "writer". (Buy my book!)
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Today, I was working at my day job, over at The Design of Life.


It disturbs me to no end that the person who wrote that sentence has received paychecks for writing more sentences like that.

Date: 2008/01/08 20:38:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
ID's big tent just got bigger.

dacook:
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If your worldview needs a naturalistic explanation for life on earth, panspermia is your best bet. It’s not, BTW, inconsistent with ID.

Date: 2008/01/09 12:46:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Shorter FtK: Since I am unable to write the word "DARWINISM" in ablood-dripping horror movie font, please give careful consideration to this logical fallacy as I discuss Richard Dawkins.

Date: 2008/01/09 14:10:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 09 2008,13:57)
And if someone could point me to the place where "God condemns" evolutionary theory explicitly, it would be greatly appreciated. I couldn't find it anywhere in Leviticus.

She might have worn the shirt in hopes that they'd be discussing the regulation of stores that sell cotton/wool blend clothing. Or restaurants that serve lobster.

Date: 2008/01/09 19:05:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
FtK's personal argument against adultery, promiscuity and porn doesn't seem to be any more than "it's icky". I have no problem with that, as long as she can admit that it's her own personal preference. There's a lot of stuff that I find "icky"; that doesn't mean that it's morally wrong and no one should be doing it.

Her blog only underscores the fact that ID is a science-stopper. It doesn't matter to her why things are the way they are; things are the way they are because that's just how it is.

She's learned from the master: she doesn't need to match our pathetic level of detail.

Date: 2008/01/09 21:21:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
For me, it can be best summed up by the Pharaoh Rameses in The Ten Commandments:
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Let him rave on, that men will know him mad.

She's helping us more than she's helping the ID "cause".

Date: 2008/01/09 22:57:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Okay, which one of you registered cbeb.com, net & org?

cbebs.com is taken too, so I had to settle for cbebs.org

Date: 2008/01/09 23:27:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Coyote @ Jan. 09 2008,23:25)
Question: how does one edit one's own post?

I have seen several posts above edited, but I can't figure out how to do it.

In the upper right hand corner of your own posts, there should be an "edit" button.

Is yours missing?

Date: 2008/01/10 17:08:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I've set up a blog at CBEB's - if you get a "server not found" error, it's because the DNS hasn't fully propagated...

I think that ultimately an AtBC blog would be cool, but until that day comes, if anyone needs an outlet for random thoughts, shoot me a PM.

Date: 2008/01/10 18:50:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 10 2008,18:15)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 10 2008,18:08)
I've set up a blog at CBEB's - if you get a "server not found" error, it's because the DNS hasn't fully propagated...

I think that ultimately an AtBC blog would be cool, but until that day comes, if anyone needs an outlet for random thoughts, shoot me a PM.

Linked in our blogrolls.

"The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog"

Thanks!

I'm bummed that all the good "cbeb" domains were already taken, but this'll work.

There will be updates tomorrow, plus I'll be converting this image

to a favicon.ico

Date: 2008/01/10 19:09:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 10 2008,19:00)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 10 2008,18:15)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 10 2008,18:08)
I've set up a blog at CBEB's - if you get a "server not found" error, it's because the DNS hasn't fully propagated...

I think that ultimately an AtBC blog would be cool, but until that day comes, if anyone needs an outlet for random thoughts, shoot me a PM.

Linked in our blogrolls.

"The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog"

Can we change the name on M-W & Fridays to be :

Dumb Texan DaveScot Springer is a Turd Brain Blog?

I just don't want to get stereotyped, you know?

Mondays and Wednesdays are free, but Fridays are reserved for "Dembski Meltdown Central™".

Cold days in hell are reserved for "ID Does some Science"

Date: 2008/01/11 10:36:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Denyse O'Leary, Valley Girl:
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This stuff that reminds me, like totally, of the Wiki coverage of the intelligent design controversy.

Date: 2008/01/11 11:28:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 11 2008,10:58)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 11 2008,10:36)
Denyse O'Leary, Valley Girl:
   
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This stuff that reminds me, like totally, of the Wiki coverage of the intelligent design controversy.

Hey, there is a reason she has been named Granny Spice. She is all down wit' da younga gen. Yo.

Farty noises and tired catchphrases from the 80s... all science so far! Waterlizzle, y'all! 23 Skidoo!

Date: 2008/01/11 12:19:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 11 2008,11:33)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 11 2008,11:28)
   
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 11 2008,10:58)
     
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 11 2008,10:36)
Denyse O'Leary, Valley Girl:
         
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This stuff that reminds me, like totally, of the Wiki coverage of the intelligent design controversy.

Hey, there is a reason she has been named Granny Spice. She is all down wit' da younga gen. Yo.

Farty noises and tired catchphrases from the 80s... all science so far! Waterlizzle, y'all! 23 Skidoo!

When reading Denyse, if you find yourself unable to understand what she is saying, it may be helpful to Gizoogle the page.  Word.

That's just beautiful. I haven't messed with Gizoogle in ages.

There's a Zippy the Pinhead Meta-HTML generator that could do wonders to Denyse's alphabet spew, but it's so old school that I don't think it works on pages that use php. Too bad...

Date: 2008/01/11 18:08:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
FtK... a real class act.

I don't know who she's talking about, so maybe the guy really is a "fan of Darwin", but I suspect she means that he's a fan of Darwin in the same sense that subscribing to the concept of gravity makes me a fan of Newton.

Date: 2008/01/11 18:29:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 11 2008,17:47)
The Karankawa Indians of south Texas ate dirt.  They pounded mesquite tree seed pods into the soil, mixed it thoroughly and ate it.

If anyone ever winds up in Corpus Christi, TX (i.e.; screws up so bad at work that they get sent on some shit assignment), check out the Museum of Science and History. There's no fancy schmancy humans-lived-with-dinosaurs exhibits, but there's a lot of Karankawa artifacts on display.

Date: 2008/01/12 12:12:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 12 2008,11:57)
This sentence from Gil sums up why ID has failed:
 
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This year should be an exciting one for ID. It sounds like Expelled, The Movie will have very wide distribution in major theaters all across the nation in April.

If the best ID can do is a film, well.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/an-irony-will-attempts-to-enforce-darwinian-orthodoxy-serve-to-diminish-public-trust-in-le


gitimate-science/#comment-162529]Tard[/URL]

I think this was the sole purpose for Michael Medved getting signed to the Discovery Institute. Once Expelled is released, he'll "peer review" it, then they'll quietly put him back in the attic where he belongs.

Date: 2008/01/12 19:40:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I installed a Random Tard Quote Generator at the Church Burnin' Ebola Blog today, using some classic quotes from AtBC and FSTDT.

I figured I'd add this one here - it's from FSTDT, and quite possibly one of the stupidest things I've read on the internet:
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One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn't possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.

Original Source

Date: 2008/01/13 12:13:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 12 2008,22:55)
Yeah, I think it was determined a while back that Poe's law should be appropriately invoked on that quote.

Are you sure? I checked the Smash Brothers' forum where that quote originated and the guy seemed sincere in his Tard (he followed it up with "the sun doesn't count because it doesn't bring dead plants back to life").

I'm not going to add any SuperSport quotes because I believe Poe applies in his case, but as a rule of thumb, if it comes from CARM or Christian Forums, it's got the Tard Seal of Approval™.

Which reminds me... I need to dig up some LittleNipper quotes from CF.

Date: 2008/01/13 19:35:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 13 2008,17:49)
FtK joins the whining about the National Academy of Sciences publication (Science, Evolution & Creationism) in her usual "don't bother me with the facts" fashion. It is almost certain that she hasn't read it, but that doesn't stop her from predictably pointing to the usual suspects, atheists.    
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Did I mention that 72.2% of the elite NAS scientists are atheists, 20.8% are agnostic, and only 7% hold a "personal belief in God"?

I don't suppose their worldview or personal philosophical beliefs have anything to do with their perception of the "facts", could they?

Nah...surely not. It's only those religious "fundamentalists" who allow their personal beliefs to interfere with "truth".

Unless she's being sarcastic (surely not), for once she seems to have it right .  ;)

I posted to the following comment to her blog:

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Hi Ftk,

I was wondering if you had correlating statistics for atheists and agnostics who count themselves as young earth creationists. Everywhere I've looked, it seems that YECs are all literalists from Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Trying to prove that there's some sort of bias among scientists is pretty hard to establish when 100% of Young Earth Creationists adhere to some form of Abrahamic theism.


Since she's such a tolerant and open-minded person with a slightly neurotic obsession for finding truth, I'm sure she won't have any problems with my comment.

btw, isn't the Cornelius Hunter she name-checks the guy who got his ass handed to him here at AtBC with his photos of the Tasmanian wolf?

Date: 2008/01/13 20:28:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 13 2008,20:05)
Quote

btw, isn't the Cornelius Hunter she name-checks the guy who got his ass handed to him here at AtBC with his photos of the Tasmanian wolf?


Yes.

Thanks, Wesley.

If any lurkers want to see the type of person FtK quotes as an authority, here's the thread.

Date: 2008/01/14 12:34:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
oops... wrong thread

Date: 2008/01/14 12:38:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 13 2008,19:35)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 13 2008,17:49)
FtK joins the whining about the National Academy of Sciences publication (Science, Evolution & Creationism) in her usual "don't bother me with the facts" fashion. It is almost certain that she hasn't read it, but that doesn't stop her from predictably pointing to the usual suspects, atheists.      
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Did I mention that 72.2% of the elite NAS scientists are atheists, 20.8% are agnostic, and only 7% hold a "personal belief in God"?

I don't suppose their worldview or personal philosophical beliefs have anything to do with their perception of the "facts", could they?

Nah...surely not. It's only those religious "fundamentalists" who allow their personal beliefs to interfere with "truth".

Unless she's being sarcastic (surely not), for once she seems to have it right .  ;)

I posted to the following comment to her blog:

 
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Hi Ftk,

I was wondering if you had correlating statistics for atheists and agnostics who count themselves as young earth creationists. Everywhere I've looked, it seems that YECs are all literalists from Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Trying to prove that there's some sort of bias among scientists is pretty hard to establish when 100% of Young Earth Creationists adhere to some form of Abrahamic theism.


Since she's such a tolerant and open-minded person with a slightly neurotic obsession for finding truth, I'm sure she won't have any problems with my comment.

FtK actually let my post go through only to respond with:

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Um...I'm not sure where you're going here. That's kinda my point. The NAS accuses anyone who questions Darwinism of being a "fundamentalist" on a religious mission, yet they don't mention that 72% of NAS scientists are atheists...which obviously means that their bias would be every bit as strong as those they accuse of having *only* religious reasons for questioning the theory.

Philosophical issues play a part on *both* sides of the debate. D'oh.

I let you post this one time because you were able to address me in a respectful manner. But, I'd like to ask that you don't post here again. You've treated me *very* unfairly and down right nasty in the past, and I don't see that changing in the future.

Thanks.


Excuse me... (Lou & Steve, feel free to move this to the Bathroom Wall or out right delete it if need be) but WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

She comes over here and calls Wesley a liar, she calls Abbie a "bitch" at ERV and I've treated her unfairly?

You're right FtK; It's NOT going to change in the future, because anytime someone does treat you respectfully, you can't help but to climb up on your cross and play the martyr.

I'm not going to play FtK's "do as I say, not as I do" game. Christ on rubber crutch, she's a real class act.

Date: 2008/01/14 18:06:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (lkeithlu @ Jan. 14 2008,16:14)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2008,14:17)
 
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 14 2008,13:46)
According to quantcast the average OE reader seems to be >55 years old which somehow doesn't fit to OE's mission statement:          
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Overwhelming Evidence is a site where high school and college students (though non-students will be permitted, this is a site geared towards and created for students) can network and communicate their views on intelligent design and evolution.

We believe that today's students are smarter than for which they are given credit and that rather than being told what to believe, they have the ability to explore the range of possibilities and figure out what to believe on their own.

This site is meant to encourage students to explore the facts, report the facts, and debate the facts.

“hammer dropping facts” or “maybe not a fact facts.”

One fact you won't see reported there is that they probably had under 100 comments the entire year!  You could count them if you wanted to totally waste your time.  And if you trusted their numbers.

Pretty damn overwhelming - in the exciting world of IDC.

Hey, maybe PT should register at quantcast so there can be a direct comparison.

Scienceblogs is quantified  at Quantcast. More detailed than OE, too. Interesting.
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Scienceblogs.com is a top 5,000 site that reaches over 970K monthly uniques, of which 626K (65%) are in the U.S. The site caters to a more affluent, slightly more male than female, primarily older crowd.The typical visitor reads Scientific American and subscribes to National Geographic.


But is the typical visitor an autodidact mesomorph with a distaste for the Inuit ladies?

Date: 2008/01/14 20:40:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 14 2008,18:17)
We need to find out the name of this "producer from one of the national talking heads programs" and send him the URL for this UD thread. If s/he ever needed convincing that ID is not science, that list of responses so far, not even including BA77 or JoeG should do it.

Since the alleged producer is asking for some semblance of credibility, we can assume it's not Fox News or Glenn Beck.

But I share your hopes that the suits at whatever show this is see that thread - they won't even need someone with a science background to explain to them what a steaming load of Tard that is.

The timing couldn't be better, either. Will we get a meltdown this Friday?

Date: 2008/01/14 21:11:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 14 2008,21:02)
Has anyone saved this most recent delicious thread?  seems like a waste for WAD to come down off of his snorting jesus high and realize that it is actually something to be ashamed of, then delete it and pretend it never existed like half of the posts on that site.

I just saved the page - right now there's 19 comments. Maybe someone can save it first thing in the AM, too.

Is "Unlettered & Ordinary" one of our own? A simple nod will do.

Date: 2008/01/15 01:13:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Jan. 15 2008,00:30)
Who was it in the Nova special that said "ID makes people stupid"?

In so many words, pretty much everyone on the ID side of the debate.

Date: 2008/01/15 12:58:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Is there an epidemic of washing machine breakdowns in New England? 73 responses and no Joe G. As Denyse O'Leary might say, "what up with that, yo?"

Surely ID predicts that if high school students are exposed to GG's Privileged Planet, they will see The Reality of ID.

Has anyone saved the thread recently?

Date: 2008/01/15 14:50:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 15 2008,14:34)
But I'm surprised no one has mentioned Ben Stein's knobby knees. Sheesh. Isn't it bad enough, Prince Charles running around in a kilt (although to be fair, his knees distract from the ears), without Stein infantilizing himself? I'd like to see him doing the pogo-dance in a megachurch.

My oldest brother is conservative to the point that he writes letters to editor proclaiming Reagan's virtues as president, but he has enough sense to realize that the ID horse ain't never gonna run. "We shouldn't even be having this discussion" is his take on it.

I told him about the Expelled site and when he saw that picture of Ben Stein, he almost cried.

Date: 2008/01/15 16:43:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Ya know, I don't know why Demsbki didn't go ahead and post his prediction right from the start. After all, his predictive powers are super-duper awesome:
 
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As I see it, there are three possible outcomes:

  • 1. The Dover policy, in which students are informed that the ID textbook Of Pandas and People is in their library, is upheld.
  • 2. The Dover policy is overturned but the scientific status of ID is left unchallenged.
  • 3. The Dover policy is not only overturned but ID is ruled as nonscientific.

For what it’s worth, my subjective probabilities are that outcome 1. has about a 20% probability, outcome 2. has about an 70% probability, and outcome 3. has less than a 10% probability.


Which reminds me... I need to enter this into the RTQG.

Date: 2008/01/15 17:02:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
ari-freedom:
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btw…why are we only talking about biology?

It looks like someone has a tornado in a junkyard analogy they're just waiting to bust out.

Date: 2008/01/15 19:59:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 15 2008,19:37)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 15 2008,12:58)
Is there an epidemic of washing machine breakdowns in New England? 73 responses and no Joe G. As Denyse O'Leary might say, "what up with that, yo?"

Surely ID predicts that if high school students are exposed to GG's Privileged Planet, they will see The Reality of ID.

Joseph, a.k.a. Joe G

 
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Joseph (#91): Better late than never:

Yes! Thanks, Zachriel. That's awesome - almost the same exact thing he posted at the PBS Judgment Day forum.

Now if only bornagain77 would show up...
*crosses fingers*

Date: 2008/01/16 00:45:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Mapou:
 
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Question is, can ID theory, as it stands, deliver?


Answer is: Noooooooo!
Pat Buchanan fo fanan fee fi mo manan, your thoughts?

Date: 2008/01/16 13:18:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (olegt @ Jan. 16 2008,13:06)
Only 12% of American adults believe that humans evolved without God's involvement and 53% think God created man in present form.  Couple that with the following graph and what do you conclude?



American public needs some education.

olegt, that's just your Darwinian interpretation of the data. In Forthekidsistan, science is done through popular opinion, so concluding that YHWH made man in his present form is just as correct.

Date: 2008/01/16 13:37:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 16 2008,13:20)
Has any other film tried to get people to go see it by paying them? Hardly says good things about the expected draw does it?

It looks like Expelled is going to wind up being Overwhelming Evidence: The Movie.

Date: 2008/01/16 14:51:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 16 2008,14:44)
The drum beat is picking up in the fundagelical world.

Don tinfoil hat before clicking here.

I'm becoming a big fan of Outkast's work:
Quote
Do you understand the difference between “truth” and “The Truth”?


priceless.

Date: 2008/01/16 15:19:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 16 2008,15:08)
Wow, MtDNA, have you been following him long, or is this your first meeting?

He is a piece of work.  There are some intelligent albeit, IMO misguided, folks on that fundie web page.

Some of my other favorites are Solon (he is now Peter Leavitt), Xion (a YECer that claims to be a scientist but once admitted he grinds eyeglasses), SavedByGrace (a pastor who is also a materials engineer, sometimes claims to be a scientist, is a YECer and presuppositionalist) and I probably forget some other good'uns.

Good place to tard mine.

It's my second meeting - both thanks to you. I added the Outkast quote you posted in the "Top Tard Quotes" thread to the RTQG, and after seeing his work on the Expelled thread, I'm gonna have to bookmark that site for future Tard mining excursions.

btw, that site is operated by the Moonies, isn't it?

Date: 2008/01/16 21:03:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 16 2008,20:48)
Quote
btw, that site is operated by the Moonies, isn't it?


I don't know.  Do tell?  Luuuuuuuuuuuuuv to hear that'un.

Never mind... I was confusing World Magazine with World and I Journal, which is published by Moon's Washington Times. Sorry about that.

Date: 2008/01/17 11:07:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (hooligans @ Jan. 17 2008,09:42)
Censorship! Censorship! All of Shoghi's insightful comments related to frontloading and the development of predictions in ID have done gone and been dissapeared.

I was personally offended that his experiment related to spider propagation in a novel environment was considered beneath those at UD. Holy crap, they will allow comments related to forcefields around DNA!! Please!!! I mean come on, a middle school student who gets censored for expressing ID views at UD. This has got to be brought to the attention of the Expelled Producers.

If you want a copy of the page before shoghi's first comment was deleted, let me know.

Alas, my most recent save is at 92 comments, so if shoghi posted more, I don't got 'em.

Date: 2008/01/17 12:12:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 17 2008,11:38)
Nomad, Improvius, and Mr. Christopher – I recomment UTorrent. Then you don’t pay a thing and can take this stuff (like Jesus Camp) in little bites.

In addition... if you can spare a few bucks each month, a premium Usenet service is handy. I just checked, and the "Jesus Camp" DVD is available in alt.binaries.boneless - for review purposes only, of course.

Since it's in my Netflix queue I'm not going to bother, though.

Date: 2008/01/17 16:09:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
It looks like FtK realized what a mistake it was to use Dinesh D'Souza as a reference. She's now quoting Vox Day.

oh, and EORaptor - FtK probably thinks that Mark, Luke, John and Matt really wrote the gospels bearing their names, so Job could have been written in 2,000 BC (the early Pleistocene epoch).

Date: 2008/01/17 18:34:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 17 2008,17:32)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 17 2008,17:09)
It looks like FtK realized what a mistake it was to use Dinesh D'Souza as a reference. She's now quoting Vox Day.

oh, and EORaptor - FtK probably thinks that Mark, Luke, John and Matt really wrote the gospels bearing their names, so Job could have been written in 2,000 BC (the early Pleistocene epoch).

She should know that Vox Day is dishonest. In late 2003 he and I made a bet. He wagered a troy ounce of gold that the S&P 500 would crater by 2005. It didn't, and he admitted it, and told me he never welshed on a bet, so the gold was in the mail. Then a month later, when I hadn't received it, he told me his guy made a mistake and he'd send it immediately.

As you might have guessed, to this day I never received the ounce.


One bottle of single malt scotch; one troy ounce of gold. Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

Date: 2008/01/17 20:02:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
vjtorley:
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(2) For the same reasons, we can be confident that robots will never be able to take over the world, and that humans will never be able to create a “master race” of superior beings that could turn on us and destroy us.

Even if he's right, an Old Glory Insurance policy is still a good idea, IMO.

Date: 2008/01/18 00:55:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 18 2008,00:49)
I don't sockpuppet, but I understand the instincts of those who do. These ID Creationists are such humongous losers, what else is there to do, but have fun with them?

We've entered year number three of the defunctness of the exciting ID journal PCID. Remember ISCID, the International Society for Complexity, Information and Design? They were going to have a journal, conferences, seminars, etc? The only activity I can locate for 2008 on their website is 12 comments on Brainstorms by John Davison. If that's the best brainstorm they got, you can turn off the EEG machine and call it.

I'm looking through the thesaurus right now because 'failure' doesn't fully describe these ID losers. I'm torn between 'collapse' and 'fiasco'.

 
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fi·as·co      /fi?æsko? or, esp. for 2, -??sko?/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fee-as-koh or, esp. for 2, -ah-skoh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cos, -coes.
1. a complete and ignominious failure.


that'll do!

"debacle" works, too
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1.  A sudden, disastrous collapse, downfall, or defeat; a rout.
2. A total, often ludicrous failure.

Date: 2008/01/18 15:25:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Jan. 18 2008,13:52)
How long can DRat07 last?    
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Dr. Nelson - Why are you linking to noted Darwinist Abbie Smith? She is the female graduate student that had the temerity to point out problems with Dr. Behe’s book. She has also instigated trouble for Dr. Dembski by bring up Dr. Dembski’s illegal use of material from Harvard in a presentation Dr. Dembski made to the Univrsity of Oklahoma.
Ms. Smith has been banned from posting on this board, so I do not think that you should give her and her Darwinist cronies the satisfaction of increasing their traffic, or of potentially having someone from this board visit her sight and lose their faith, or lose their faith in ID.

Christ, if that "ID Predictions" thread didn't cause even the True Believers to lose their faith in creationism Intelligent Design, I don't think they have much to worry about.

Besides, I seem to remember a couple of people blogging about traffic from ID sites...

Date: 2008/01/18 16:53:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I'm surprised our own Erasmus hasn't posted this yet:

ICR Defends Creationist Degree

There's some choice Tard there, including this response to Erasmus:

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Erasmus #2: In your estimation, which civil rights laws would this be violating? By the way, I believe in creation science, and truly understand the earth is not 6000 yrs old. It’s more like 10,000, but no more than that.


6000 years? That's nuts! 10,000 is a much more reasonable estimate.

Date: 2008/01/18 19:29:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Jan. 18 2008,19:16)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 18 2008,15:25)
Besides, I seem to remember a couple of people blogging about traffic from ID sites...

*checks sitemeter*

Yeah... Expect a post titled 'No One Reads Uncommon Descent, Part Deux' in the near future.

Aw, are you gonna be mean to poor l'il Billy Dembski... again? I can't wait!

If you want to steal all that 18-24 demographic from Overwhelming Evidence, call it "No One Reads Uncommon Descent II: Electric Boogaloo". Word to the designer, yo!

Date: 2008/01/18 20:34:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 18 2008,20:07)
I think this is the White Breasted Sweaterdork.

It's call is "uh-uh  uh-uh  uh-uh."

It's natural habitat is college cafeterias near Waco, Texas and it has been known to dumpster dive for sustenance.  In the wild the Sweaterdork can be found associating with the Pacific Luskin Nutcase and the Eastern Behe Cuckoo.

Don't forget the Canadian Mynah Bird, which can be taught to talk, but can never utter a coherent sentence other than "Buy my book!". The Canadian Mynah Bird also has the unique abilty to lay a single egg in six different nests.

Date: 2008/01/19 13:08:28, Link
Author: Mister DNA
FtK is now reviewing Your Inner Fish.

How does "creation science" explain hiccups, FtK?

Date: 2008/01/19 14:24:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 19 2008,13:59)
Oh, BTW, FtK. Here's a correction for your most recent post about the Golden Compass.    
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Evidently, The Golden Compass didn't fair fare well at the box office.

You're welcome.

She should be along any minute now to say "thanks".
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Evidently, The Golden Compass didn't do so well at the box office.

Date: 2008/01/19 14:43:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 19 2008,14:38)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 19 2008,14:08)
FtK is now reviewing Your Inner Fish.

How does "creation science" explain hiccups, FtK?

Too many beers.

That also explains creation science[sic][hic].

Date: 2008/01/19 15:14:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Jan. 19 2008,14:54)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 19 2008,13:08)
FtK is now reviewing Your Inner Fish.

How does "creation science" explain hiccups, FtK?

This is a subject of ongoing high-level creation science research. See here for a list of ideas for projects to be entered in the Twin Cities Creation Science Fair. A bit down the list at #32 is    
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32. Why do we hiccup?

My personal favorite, and undoubtedly a topic of great interest in Topeka, is #83    
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83. Why do people believe in Evolution?

I really hope some student picks that one and gives it the thorough research that it deserves. Who knows, it may actually change his/her mind about reality...

The follow-up question is great, too:
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84. What events caused them to become evolutionists?

Um... reality? An education?

That list is hilarious... is it for real? I seem to remember someone - Jesus' General, I think - catching some flack for posting photos from their fair.

It's hard to tell, because they're linked at Objective Ministries, which features this on-topic bit of creation science:
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2nd Place: "Women Were Designed For Homemaking"

Jonathan Goode (grade 7) applied findings from many fields of science to support his conclusion that God designed women for homemaking: physics shows that women have a lower center of gravity than men, making them more suited to carrying groceries and laundry baskets; biology shows that women were designed to carry un-born babies in their wombs and to feed born babies milk, making them the natural choice for child rearing; social sciences show that the wages for women workers are lower than for normal workers, meaning that they are unable to work as well and thus earn equal pay; and exegetics shows that God created Eve as a companion for Adam, not as a co-worker.


They're also linked at creationism.org. Man, it's so hard to tell these days.

Date: 2008/01/19 23:47:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 19 2008,20:20)
Is there a rap song with amusingly weirder lyrics than Scarface's No Tears?

The Diary is a great album - I like "Hand of the Dead Body", but I like Scarface's stuff with the Geto Boys a lot more. Bushwick came up with some really goofy rhymes:
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... beware 'cause I'm sick - dead heads and frog legs - mmmm, cake mix


Are you into Wu Tang? I've been listening to their new one - their cover of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is pretty funny.

Date: 2008/01/20 00:20:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 20 2008,00:04)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 20 2008,00:47)
Are you into Wu Tang? I've been listening to their new one - their cover of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is pretty funny.

LOL. New Irish guy at work named Keron. Scene from last Thursday:

Our Boss: "You guys are like brothers. It's spooky."
Me: "Well, Cash does move everything around me."
Keron: "Cream, get the money."
Me: "Dolla Dolla Bill y'all."
Our Boss: "Uh, whatever. How's that buffer overflow?"
Keron: "We found it."

heh... that makes me think of "Wu Tang Financial" from The Chapelle Show. "You need to diversify, bitches!"

If you haven't heard that Wu Tang cover of "While My Guitar Gently" weeps, it's at YouTube, or holler if you want the mp3.

Date: 2008/01/20 15:15:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Get ready for another Perfect Storm of Tard - Denyse O'Leary is getting into the ID Predictions game.

Note: The link goes to UD, but as is her M.O., you have to go to one of her other blogs to get the rest.

The first (and only, so far) comment:  
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Denyse, how does this square with Mike Behe and others’ view that common descent is true?


*gets popcorn*

Date: 2008/01/20 15:34:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (steve_h @ Jan. 20 2008,15:21)
None of her predictions  follow from the statement "Some things are better explained by design" - several are about human consciousness and mind-body separation of which ID does not speak.

This one has me scratching my head...

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8. No useful theory of free will (human volition) will demonstrate that it does not really exist. Free will (which includes using the mind to help heal bodily injuries) will become an important tool of medicine, especially for helping aging people toward a better quality of life. For example, the fact that a drug only need perform 5% better than a placebo to be licensed for use will encourage the development of mind-based treatments for people who would otherwise be forced to take antagonistic drugs.

Positive prediction: Better health care for people with complex illnesses


That's sort of like predicting that one day cars will be more fuel-efficient or that there will be more channels to watch on television.

I predict you have to buy her book in order for her predictions to make sense.

Date: 2008/01/20 19:13:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Only 6 comments so far, but things aren't looking good for Denyse.
mathstudent::
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Either Behe isn’t doing ID work or Denyse is wrong about the prediction.

Is "all of the above" an option?

Date: 2008/01/20 20:09:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Denyse isn't a good Catholic. She actually refers to Pope Benedict as "B16". Not that it's disrespectful, but any good Catholic should know that the Bs end at 15; it's I-16.

Date: 2008/01/21 13:46:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Granny Spice: "Are most DI Fellows evangelical Christians?"
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I suppose so, except for the ones who are Catholics, agnostics, or Moonies or something.

Me: Denyse O'Leary Writes. The Baby Jesus Cries.

Date: 2008/01/21 14:14:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Damn, what do I have to do to get one of those Magical Denyse O'Leary Decoder Rings? Send in 100 The Spiritual Brain book covers to Overwhelming Evidence?

Date: 2008/01/21 16:53:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Those wacky cut-ups at The BRITES are at it again.
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Noted Darwin basher, William A. Dembski, filed a federal copyright infringement lawsuit against Galapagos Finch, Ph.D., DDS and the Board of Directors of The BRITES.


Irony just threw up in its mouth a little bit.

Date: 2008/01/21 18:42:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Jan. 21 2008,18:12)
Gosh, Granny says you people aren't nice folk, not at all. Oh, and darwinism is doomed because of you. Shame on you!

Meanwhile, I get an amazing number of comments, most of which I reject, from a type of person I can only describe as a young fogie. Self-important young fellows who want me to believe, quite often, that they are scientists. If so, they do not reflect well on their disciplines. They are pendantic, unimaginative, censorious and utterly lacking in curiosity. Quick to resort to threats, name calling, and bully pulpiteering. I can't imagine what they will be like when they are old, but why would I want to know? They're the main reason I think that Darwinism is doomed. It's not attracting the sort of people who create new ideas. It is attracting the sort of people who fear that the world is passing them by, and they're probably right.

Man, that single post is like a medley of Denyse's greatest hits. Links to all of her blogs, a book plug, delusions of relevance, multiple uses of "like" and a heapin' helpin' of Ye Olde Tard.
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It's not even six a.m. here in EST, and already 230 people have visited the Post-Darwinist (one of my two solo blogs), either to read my nine predictions if ID is true or whether it's true that most Discovery Institute fellows are, like, fundies. Or else to read about the Pope vs. howler monkey stand-ins at an Italian U ...

Or they could be visiting your site to laugh at you. Think outside the box, Denyse! Word, yo!

Date: 2008/01/21 19:35:19, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 21 2008,19:23)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 21 2008,20:08)
Denyse entardens:
 
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They're the main reason I think that Darwinism is doomed. It's not attracting the sort of people who create new ideas. It is attracting the sort of people who fear that the world is passing them by, and they're probably right.

Right. Those National Academy of Science jerks...what ideas did they ever come up with. I mean really.

Now the ID journal, which hasn't been published since 2005, that's where all the hot new ideas are.


Denyse is right. The exciting field of Intelligent Design research is attracting the brightest minds of this generation.

Date: 2008/01/21 20:52:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 21 2008,20:24)
Oh Gloppy / Dembski:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/dembskis-suing-me/

Taking a break from the lab work, eh?

Granville Sewell:
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Evolutionary convergence is one theory, here’s another: You ARE Bill Dembski. How else to explain why he puts up with your nonsense?


This is going to be fun.

Date: 2008/01/22 11:52:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 22 2008,09:16)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 22 2008,00:14)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 21 2008,23:43)
Agreed, and popular AtBC memes:

HAR HAR THIS IS YOU
TARDOLOGUE
HOMO
etc...

Sweater jokes
"Edited to add..."
Friday Meltdowns


Edited to add:

GrannyTard/GrannySpice
*fart/expel*

NOTPOLOGY!

Hell, a few more words and we'll be able to translate the Bible into the AtBC dialect.

Of course, the New Testament would begin with, "Edited to Add".

Date: 2008/01/22 18:56:38, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 22 2008,18:43)
Nothing can top Ftk asking "What on earth is the world coming to?"

That just can't be taught.

It was nice of her to provide some helpful links, though.

(Btw, FtK: Did you fix your Technorati profile yet? It's still showing that you haven't updated your blog in 2 weeks. Maybe Technorati subscribes to the Old-Earth blogging paradigm.)

Date: 2008/01/22 20:37:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 22 2008,20:29)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 22 2008,20:01)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 22 2008,18:32)
Uncommonly Denyse:
   
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...science has shown virtually NONE of the things the atheist lobby expected it to. In fact, it shows the exact opposite. If there isn’t a God, all I can say is, the Guy who replaced Him is pretty good …

<img src="http://www.radiostatic.org/wmiller/god bolt.jpg" border="0">

that's weird. There was a Zeus / thunderbolt cartoon in last week's New Yorker too.

It wasn't Gahan Wilson, though.

Okay - Which of you is Gerry? Over at Denyse's latest self-love fest:

Gerry Rzeppa

01/22/2008

3:33 pm
It’s good, Denyse, that your faith and clear thinking enable you to cope with the abuse that inevitably comes your way. But there’s something seriously wrong with a world where such abuse can be so prominently posted and easily disseminated.

We don’t allow children to play with loaded guns; since the pen is mighter than the sword, perhaps we shouldn’t allow children to play with loaded words either!


Anyone that write to or about Densye with these words, has to be a sick, sick, puppet:  "your faith and clear thinking"  GAG!

I find it hilarious that Granny Spice loves to write about how the materialists are so mean to her. Has she forgotten who coined the terms "morphodyke" and "Canadian Cross Dresser"?

Date: 2008/01/22 20:47:33, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Has anyone seen this site? The Weeping Deity: Providing valuable scientific information about the holy origins of rain.

Good job.

Date: 2008/01/22 22:32:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 22 2008,22:18)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 22 2008,21:37)
Has she forgotten who coined the terms "morphodyke" and "Canadian Cross Dresser"?

Actually, in the interest of accuracy and fair play, JanieBelle is I am guilty of the former.  DaveTard just ran with it.

Link for the thread on the old blog wherein both terms first appear in reference to Densly ORLY.

and ran with it he did.
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P.S. if my dog was as ugly as the Canadian cross dresser I'd shave his ass and teach him to walk backwards.


Did DT and DO'L ever formally kiss and make up?

Date: 2008/01/22 22:59:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 22 2008,22:41)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 22 2008,23:32)
Did DT and DO'L ever formally kiss and make up?

I don't recall them ever having spoken to each other publicly at UD since then, but I don't follow the Tard factory that closely.  I fear the ever present and inherent spectre of overdose that accompanies my Tard addiction.

I'm quite sure there was never any sort of make-up PDA, however.

There's a documentary about Amish youth who go out into the secular world to decide if they want to continue the Amish life. I imagine that's how WAD and DO'L treated Dave's time away from the UD fold... "You've had a taste of the Darwinist life, son... now welcome home."

Denyse should have made DT write a 5 star Amazon review for her book, though. That would have been classic.

Date: 2008/01/23 14:39:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 23 2008,14:35)
FtK accusing someone of arrogance.

That's too funny.

ETA: Nauseating Arrogance, no less.

But remember... we're the ones who are ill-mannered.

Date: 2008/01/23 14:44:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 23 2008,05:34)
The Grants did actually measure them, though. But apparently DaveScot thinks measuring stuff is for the household help.

   
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DaveScot: By the way, you Ebola Boys ™ seem to think there’s something noble about getting your hands dirty. In my line of work senior engineers do the brain work and have technicians do the bench work. It’s called division of labor. You should look into the concept.

It's too bad Slimy Sal didn't get hired on at EIL. He would have made a great butler.

Date: 2008/01/23 16:25:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Jan. 23 2008,16:03)
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The first two can easily be taken care of.  No real problem there.  Also these do not represent a morality argument.

Jealousy: if taken at face value (wife doesn't care) this is a non-issue.  While jealousy is always a concern--it is a concern in life in general, not a concern of in your scenario.

Mind games: ditto

Neither of the last arguments are morality arguments.

Leaving your wife or dis-interested in sex with your wife:  once again these are possibilities that have their root not in your scenario, but in life in general.

Neither of the last two arguments are morality arguments.

saying "it sets a bad example" for your kids (even saying it twice) doesn't really build a case for it setting a bad example for your kids.  What about kids who come from societies where multiple spouses are accepted?

saying it is embarrassing is actually your strongest argument here (and THAT is embarrassing).  Lots of things are embarrassing: speaking in public, missing a free throw in gym class, asking for directions.  Yet, we still have our kids learn and recite poetry, take gym class, and we ask for directions (or should) when lost.

Oh, and this is not a moral argument either.

Ftk's justification for enforcing her own moral code on everyone else.

Oh, and Ftk, aren't you assuming a priori that people are going to be hurt?  Why would that be the case--you know, other than your above vacuous reasoning?

It's nice to see that she's progressed a little past the argumentum ad ickyness.

Date: 2008/01/23 18:47:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 23 2008,18:24)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 23 2008,14:44)
It's too bad Slimy Sal didn't get hired on at EIL. He would have made a great butler.

De plane! De plane!





De Sign!  De Sign!



de short bus! de short bus!

Date: 2008/01/23 20:34:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 23 2008,20:31)
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 23 2008,21:14)
Wuh oh, bad news for the church burning ebola boys:

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/01/disarming_ebola.php

:O

eh, I'd been advocating going all old school with Bubonic Plague for a while now anyway.

I might have to become the Church Burnin 'epatitis Blog.

By the way, I'm almost positive that ID predicted this. Tomorrow.

Date: 2008/01/24 14:29:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 24 2008,14:21)
Daniel,

I certainly hope there are lurkers reading this thread who are interested in getting at the truth with regard to what the mechanisms of evolution can actually accomplish, because you are doing a marvelous job of asking the right questions and pointing out the Darwinian fallacies.  Keep up the good work.

BTW, I envy your gift of patience.  It won't pay off with these folks, but like I said, hopefully there are open minded lurkers following this discussion.

This is what is known in the mafia as "The Kiss of Death".

Date: 2008/01/24 15:00:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I don't have a back yard, but in the immediate area we've got a ton of sparrows, grackles and seagulls. We get a lot of hummingbirds during the Spring/Summer, too.

There's a couple of woodpeckers, too. I always feel bad for them because they're so outnumbered. I'll try to dig up so photos I took of one of them.

Late at night the possums come around and eat the food that people put out for the feral cats in the area. During the day, the squirrels come out and taunt the cats and the grackles. I need to get some video of the squirrels; they are hilarious.

It's not in my immediate backyard area, but every few years or so I make the trip to the Aransas Wildlife Refuge to see the whooping cranes.

It's so cool that the whooping crane numbers are growing. The first time I saw them was probably in 1973 and they were damn near extinction.

Date: 2008/01/24 16:27:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Mapou, on all those profits Expelled is going to be raking in:
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Does anybody know whether or not ID research organizations are slated to get some of the money? Just curious.

Someone needs to tell Mapou that ID researchers will be getting all the money from the Expelled tie-ins, such as Expelled: The Video Game, Domino's "Privileged Pepperoni" Pizza (It's Astronomically Delicious!) and of course, the Ben Stein action figures all the kids will be wanting after seeing Expelled.

But first, the Discovery Institute will need some of that money for press releases...

Date: 2008/01/24 22:31:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Oh goody, Slimy Sal is back.
Eugenie Scott has competition
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Dr. Caroline Crocker, a biologist featured in the upcoming documentary film Expelled, has been hired as the Executive Director of the IDEA Center.

Date: 2008/01/24 23:32:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 24 2008,23:13)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-165854

 
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3

William Dembski

01/24/2008

11:19 pm
Listen up everyone: Unless my brief Google search left something out, I’m herewith claiming priority in coining the term “teleocentrism,” which may be defined as “the predisposition of certain individuals and groups, especially those unschooled in Darwinian evolutionary theory, to ascribe objects, events, and structures found in nature to a designing intelligence.”

....



erm...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=teleocentrism

two links, Dembski's shoite and a paper clearly dated 1988

He must be a whizz in the labs, also.

Hell, he can use the word all he wants. We've already got a word for it. It's easier to spell, too.

Date: 2008/01/24 23:35:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Crandaddy drops a fresh one on Ed's blog:
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If ID proponents espouse god of the gaps reasoning, at least they're on the right track to validating it--generally, at least.

Date: 2008/01/25 14:57:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 25 2008,13:12)
Quote (ERV @ Jan. 25 2008,12:46)
In my inbox this morning, via dr. snail:
   
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Today's UD post -
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....re-3007

Craigslist Post Aug 30, 2007 -
http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tpa/409930561.html


Well, I suppose more evidence WAD is GF.  They both plagiarize.

Ha!  The "Leading Light" of ID theory, reduced to plagiarizing  6 month old magazine articles.  

ERV - So, GF = Fucking Little Lier?

I wonder if someone might take time out of their busy schedule and call and/or email Craigslist?

I got a little sick thinking about what WAD/GF was doing reading Craigslist, so I'll just tell myself he was placing an ad to sell a never-been-used Explanatory Filter.

Date: 2008/01/25 15:17:33, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (PTET @ Jan. 25 2008,12:49)
How exciting. My first post on this board. Hi everyone.

Did anyone see this from interviews plugged on UD, with Dembski & Behe on a spanish pro-ID website? Dembski corrects his interviewer by pointing out there has been no science resulting from ID... And Behe comes out and endorses Common Descent. Might not be news to you guys, but certainly will be to the IDiots I've been talking to recently.

     
Quote
   "CA: Dr. Dembski, ID has come a very long way since its inception; and ID proponents are making inroads in a vast array of scientific disciplines such as astronomy, biology, and chemistry. How has your own work in mathematics (namely, The Design Inference and No Free Lunch) helped or influenced the development of novel ways of doing science?

   DEMBSKI: It’s too early to tell what the impact of my ideas is on science. To be sure, there has been much talk about my work and many scientists are intrigued (though more are upset and want to destroy it), but so far only a few scientists see how to take these ideas and run with them."

==

   "ML: In The Edge, you make a defense for common descent (p.182) and later attribute it to a non-random process (p. 72). Considering the convergent evolution of the digestive enzyme of lemurs and cows, hemoglobin of human and mice, and in your own work resistance mutations that also arise independently (p77), why such a commitment to common descent? Isn’t genetic convergent evolution or even common design (considering your view of mutations) good alternative explanations to common descent?

   BEHE: I don’t think so. Although those other explanations may be true, I think that common descent, guided by an intelligent agent, is sufficient to explain the data. It has the great advantage of being easily compatible with apparent genetic “mistakes” shared by organisms, such as the pseudo-hemoglobin genes I wrote of in The Edge of Evolution."
Full links and refs on my blog.

Good to see you here, PTET. Welcome.

I love this quote:
 
Quote
It’s too early to tell what the impact of my ideas is on science.


I guess the Bible Code hasn't revealed that information to him yet.

btw, I highly recommend this link: Blog Reactions to Uncommon Descent. (thanks, ERV!) Not only does it provide links to some great takedowns of UD's crap, there are also links to some potential deposits of unmined Tard. Including some foreign language Tard.

I found this in the list of people who have added UD to their favorites. It looks to be "Reasonable Finns" (Danes? Norse?).

Date: 2008/01/25 16:21:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 25 2008,15:09)
Question For The Group:

Does WAD publishing another plagarised article, count as a Friday Meltdown™?

At this point, I think the best we can hope for is a "Monday Notpology".

Date: 2008/01/25 21:51:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 25 2008,21:00)
 
Quote
I found this in the list of people who have added UD to their favorites. It looks to be "Reasonable Finns" (Danes? Norse?).

Quote (PTET @ Jan. 25 2008,18:16)
Definitely Finnish.

I messed about with a Finnish Translator, and blog header comes out as something like "Intelligent Planning - If the world was designed how would we know about it".

If I remember from my old TalkOrigins usenet days, the Finns have always had their own crazy creationist contingent.

Ha!  An All New Source Of Tard - With all new same old answers!

Just on a whim, I clicked on the listed "I D Research link":
here http://fdocc.blogspot.com/

Last updated on June 2, 2006, with the May issue an indepth study of Design Detection in Noah's Ark.

Yep.. All Science So far!

I'm wondering in that "Reasonaable Finns " site is the weblog of Ollie Dembskolden, with commentary by Snorri Fatlooken?

Not only were there links to Ron Wyatt's ubertard, there was good old 9/11 Truthism thrown in for good measure. I love the comments in the 9/11 Thread:
     
Quote (Jordi @ Mar. 20 2007,17:33)
oops, not much research on ID lately...

     
Quote (fdocc @ Jun. 10 2007,09:09)
Any Research Requires Funding.

     
Quote (Anonymous @ Jan. 21 2008,09:09)
I would like to suggest this blog:

http://designinteligente.blogspot.com/


Which takes us to a Portuguese-language ID site. I can't read a lick of it, but I can understand some of what's in the Tag Cloud:


Note the "just-so" among all the Portuguese.

Todos ciência tão longe!

edited to add: the Tags got seriously FUBAR there for a second...

Date: 2008/01/26 15:55:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 23 2008,15:41)
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 23 2008,15:23)
Hello, my name is Pastor G. Reckart.

Menorah begorra.

Wiki poured out for ya.

Making you snore-ah!

New lands to bore-ah!

When reality is parody, what is parody? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? :p

Holy Jesus H Christ On A Crutch Kristine - that is some scary, scary stuff you are into.

And in addition to being over-the-edge Crazy For Christ, they also are BIG into 1990 Web Graphics.  I guess The Lord Don't Need No More Miracle Marketers?!  Damn good thing.

If there's one thing the Oneness Pentecostals are good at, it's infighting:
Quote
Larry Smith has finally outed himself: he has rejected holiness! Women can now wear pants, cut their hair, wear earrings, and be Jezebels. Men can also wear shorts and go golfing etc.. Larry Smith is BACKSLID just as I prophesied he would be if he did not repent! Michael Blume has also BACKSLID on holiness and accepts Smith's new freedom of the flesh doctrine.


Oh noes!!!! Teh men are golfing!!!ONE!!

Date: 2008/01/26 16:07:54, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (PTET @ Jan. 26 2008,15:19)
I have a recurring nightmare where the "cdesign proponentsists" turn to be as whackjob-crazy as the "logical conclusions" of their arguments would require them to be.

PTET, say hi to your new friends, Larry and Joe.

Date: 2008/01/26 16:21:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I wouldn't mess with FtK... in the squared circle, they call her "The Piranha".

Date: 2008/01/27 17:11:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 27 2008,16:27)
Quote (PTET @ Jan. 27 2008,12:38)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 27 2008,12:10)
Hey, FTK, why you not post peoples comments on your blog? Why bother having comments open at all?

I suspect it's because FtK and her ilk know that nothing "unbelievers" can say will ever affect *their* thinking... But they don't like to risk that with any of their "real" blog readers.

But I could be wrong.

I also suspect that it's because they think unbelievers are sub-human. That certainly seems to be one of J P Holdings "justifications".

But I could be wrong about that too.

What would Jesus do, FtK? Would he allow comments on his blog?

For those of you who haven't checked out PTET's blog, he has an awesome Darwin Photo, complete with demonic red-laser eyes fully armed and capable of shooting Evilution Education into the brain of unsuspecting Chreationists like Sal and FTK.

I like the Paris Dembski photo.

Date: 2008/01/27 18:44:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (khan @ Jan. 27 2008,17:58)
Quote
for the purpose of converting our youth to godless atheism


Is there some other kind?

Sure. To the creationists, Theistic Evolution = Theistic Atheism.

Date: 2008/01/28 02:51:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 28 2008,02:20)
Here's a bigger version, that you can actually read:



and here's a modified version where I gave one of the characters a normal IQ:


Post of the Week. At the very least, post most likely to make me shoot beverage out of my nostrils.

Date: 2008/01/28 02:55:48, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Not a tard quote, but I was wondering... does anyone know who is responsible for assigning The Argument Regarding Design as a definition for "Tard"? I'd like to give credit where it's due...

Date: 2008/01/29 18:48:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 29 2008,18:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 29 2008,19:30)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 29 2008,18:20)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 29 2008,18:22)
Hey, Lou!!  Sal is psychoanalyzing you!!

I think he likes me, in a third grade kind of way.

What odd can I get on Sal having repressed fundie gayness syndrome?

Not good odds for betting, Rich.  It's pretty obvious, the way he's been obsessing about my penis.

I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to take your bet.

I think it's to society's benefit that Sal remains a creationist - it's apparently the only thing holding him back from becoming a gay, horse-schtupping, music-hating, serial rapist in a cheap tuxedo.

Date: 2008/01/29 20:52:30, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 29 2008,20:17)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 29 2008,18:48)
I think it's to society's benefit that Sal remains a creationist - it's apparently the only thing holding him back from becoming a gay, horse-schtupping, music-hating, serial rapist in a cheap tuxedo.


No, no.  That's not fair to Sal.... He has an expensive tuxedo, remember?

True, but in Sal's green-skied world, he'd have to ditch the nice tuxedo and trade it in for a cheap one if he ever became a <dripping blood horror movie font>Darwinist</dripping blood horror movie font>.

Date: 2008/01/29 22:27:32, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 29 2008,22:12)
 
Quote
Mind and brain: How do unconscious people know when to wake up?
Brain and mind: How do brainless people know how to write mindless posts?

And more importantly, will they ever, like totally, know when to stop, yo?

Edited: Denysed it up for the younger fizzolks.

Date: 2008/01/30 01:56:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Uncommon Descent - a joke that tells itself:

GilDodgen:
Quote
A family friend, who is a brilliant electrical engineer, recently spent some time at our home for a holiday get-together. The topic of ID came up and he asked me how I could possibly have bought into such a silly idea.

bFast:
Quote
Gil, how much does this guy know about biology? I would suspect that any “brilliant” electrical engineer would line up with us software developers to voice his incredulity.

Date: 2008/01/30 05:21:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Jan. 30 2008,04:25)
 
Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Jan. 30 2008,05:00)
   
Quote (Mister DNA @ Jan. 30 2008,01:56)
Uncommon Descent - a joke that tells itself:

GilDodgen:
       
Quote
A family friend, who is a brilliant electrical engineer, recently spent some time at our home for a holiday get-together. The topic of ID came up and he asked me how I could possibly have bought into such a silly idea.

bFast:
       
Quote
Gil, how much does this guy know about biology? I would suspect that any “brilliant” electrical engineer would line up with us software developers to voice his incredulity.

There is so much irony in there, that I don't even know where to begin.

Indeed.  What do you even say to that?  Where do you go from here?  Can the UDidiots possibly get any more O'Dense?

Near as I can tell, the only way they could make themselves look more WADtuse than they have to date is to stand in a big circle, all wearing these:



Billy D.  Dude.  Place the order, schedule the photo-shoot.

UD's gonna love the trackback they get at 8:30am CST.

edited to add: depending on how much of a prick your boss is, the article might be NSFW. No offensive graphics or anything, but the headline - translated to SFW language - is "Uncommon Descent: [performing a nasty act of postmortem unpleasantness] on irony."

Date: 2008/01/30 10:42:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Jan. 30 2008,10:33)
 
Quote
Speaker's Background

B S, University of Tennessee, Institute of Agriculture
M S, State University of New York, College of Environmental Science
D D, School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
Regent of the School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
Adjunct Professor, School of Theology, Columbus, Georgia
Florida Christian College, Guest Lecturer
20 Years an Evolutionist
1 1/2 Years a Theistic Evolutionist
30 Years a Biblical Scientific Creationist
Ordained Minister
Church Elder
Expert School Board Witness

For a creationist, putting "Expert School Board Witness" on your resume is like bragging about your glue-sniffing abilities.

Date: 2008/01/31 19:01:45, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Jan. 31 2008,18:49)
Quote (SpeedDemon @ Jan. 31 2008,18:40)
What's to stop the good Dr. Dr. from claiming they're all designed?


SD

Someone just did that in the comments.

I read that. larrynormanfan(which I initially read as "larryfafarman"):
Quote
If the “non-designed” ones are in nature, then they’re all designed! Where’s my book?

Crap like that takes all the fun out of sockpuppetry. How does one top that?

Date: 2008/01/31 21:29:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
bFast:
Quote
In my opinion we should just close our eyes and pretend that this debate never happened.

Better yet, maybe Dr. Dembski will refute PZ's arguments with another flash animation.

Date: 2008/01/31 23:28:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Meltdown in the making? Michaels7:
 
Quote
I’d submit back to Ian PhD a challenge to him or his student Abbie “ChristKiller” Smith.

She declared in childish mocking tones after sniffy fits against Behe. that she was the Christ Killer.

Yehoshua Ha Moshiach ben Yoseph, ben Yahuda, son of Miriam, from the order of Melchizedek, Shem, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, of the tribe of Judah, line of David. A Jew of Judah, loved by thousands of Jews who never layed a hand on any man in anger to harm them.

Challenge: Show us the bones of your victorious death announcement. Prove it by DNA match using whatever process you like. She should be able to sequence DNA and trace results thru the original Daveedic line.

She can have a lifetime. Killing can be messy sometimes, her memory may fail her forgetting where she buried him.

The award for killing a Jewish Messiah that healed the sick, fed the poor, and taught instructions of Love your fellow man? Stone turned upon stone, a barren land, 1832 years of exile from Jerusalem, of which all the Jewish prophets foretold and were truly slaughtered by corrupt leaders, not just mocked.


It's off-the-hook insane enough to take Dr. Dembski away from his important research and issue a warning:
 
Quote
Michaels7: Stay on the topic of this thread.

Date: 2008/02/01 02:16:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 01 2008,02:04)
The buggers just 404'd the entire debate thread!  Luckily, I saved it:

Excellent work, Ceiling Cat. You ARE watching, apparently...

The other debate thread is still there, but it doesn't have any of the "We just got pwned" comments.

Date: 2008/02/01 07:02:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 01 2008,06:00)
I just listened to the "debate". What a joke it was. I am impressed that PZ didn't just flat out laugh uproriously. A five year old with Mark Isaak's "Counter Creationism Hanbook" could have swatted the insect that was Dr Simmons.

Pathetic.

Louis

Good grief. PZ could have stayed silent and just let this guy talk and he still would have won the debate.

I almost feel bad for Dr. Simmons.

Almost.

Date: 2008/02/01 09:31:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
The Phelps Clan will be in my neck of the woods tomorrow.

I wanna go, but my registration tags expired yesterday, and I won't be able to get them renewed until Tuesday. I might take the chance, though...

Date: 2008/02/01 09:37:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 01 2008,09:33)
Quote
ID needs a BIG EVENT.


Perhaps they could pray for a documented miracle?

They've already got the big tent... maybe they can put on a circus.

Date: 2008/02/01 09:43:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Speaking of big events, I'm holding a contest to see who can correctly predict who will author the inevitable DI press release spinning the PZ Myers/Geoff Simmons debate.

Winner gets an "Ignorance is not Evidence" t-shirt - if they're not printed by the time the contest is over, they get an "I'm With the Banned" T-Shirt.

Date: 2008/02/01 11:25:52, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 01 2008,11:05)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 01 2008,09:31)
The Phelps Clan will be in my neck of the woods tomorrow.

I wanna go, but my registration tags expired yesterday, and I won't be able to get them renewed until Tuesday. I might take the chance, though...

If I rekelect there rightly, them Texans don't take too almighty kindly to them Kansas boys comin' ta town, and a tellen' 'em how that they-all oughta believe.

Might there be a bit of a dust-up you thinkin'?

Oh, yeah. The protest will be outside the main gate of the Naval Air Station, which is in Flour Bluff. Although Flour Bluff is part of Corpus Christi, because it's on the other side of Oso Bay, we like to think of it as another country. It's basically populated by all the shirtless white guys you see on COPS getting busted for meth. When the citizens of Flour Bluff do wear shirts, they're usually the kind that say "These Colors Don't Run" or have a confederate flag on them with "You wear your X, I'll wear mine" type of crap.

The freepers have already been given a heads up by the local head of the republican party. This could be fun.

Date: 2008/02/03 21:19:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
ERV was right - nobody reads Uncommon Descent. My blog's dashboard notes the incoming link from Uncommon Descent, but according to my access logs, it's business as usual.

Denyse gave me and another blogger (Canadian Cynic) a nice little plug:
 
Quote
Second, I was surprised by the sheer, gratuitous and usually profane hatred of anyone who thinks that the case for (or against) design can be argued in a civilized manner. If you need evidence, go here, here, and here. This is the confidence of the dockside bully, not the confidence of the person who has a solution in his jacket pocket.

Date: 2008/02/05 08:17:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2008,07:27)
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 05 2008,07:19)
I know exactly what was wrong with it, jackass's's'ss'''s's.

Shame you can't say the same about Walt's tripe then.

Want to talk Jellyfish yet FTK?

Or do you have to wait for Behe to raise the subject before it becomes "allowed to discuss"?

If we worship Darwin, it's obvious who you worship. And it's not the G man.

Nah, FtK is a fickle soul. This week she's on the Vox Day bandwagon. Behe and Walt Brown are soooooo 2007.

Date: 2008/02/05 09:19:19, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 04 2008,22:43)
Casey Luskin's post surely qualifies to be labbeled as

"BSpr3 (Bullshit on peer reviewed research)".

Could somebody please provide an appropriate icon?

I'm using this image from now on:


If anyone else wants to use it, here's the code:
<a href=”http://www.cbebs.org/”>
<img src=”http://www.cbebs.org/images/bpsdb.png” alt=”BPSDB” align=”left” height=”87? width=”117? />
</a>

Date: 2008/02/05 11:04:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Feb. 05 2008,10:12)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 05 2008,09:19)
   
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 04 2008,22:43)
Casey Luskin's post surely qualifies to be labbeled as

"BSpr3 (Bullshit on peer reviewed research)".

Could somebody please provide an appropriate icon?

I'm using this image from now on:


If anyone else wants to use it, here's the code:
<a href=”http://www.cbebs.org/”>
<img src=”http://www.cbebs.org/images/bpsdb.png” alt=”BPSDB” align=”left” height=”87? width=”117? />
</a>

omg.

LUV!!

That's just a prototype... I'm going to do another one without the coffee cup stain and a big red "FAIL" instead of the "X". I'll probably end up going with the "X", since it's a nice counterpart to BPR3's green check mark.

Date: 2008/02/05 13:11:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 05 2008,13:00)
Luskin explains all.  

 
Quote
(2) On Feb. 4, I became aware of the fact that ResearchBlogging.org requested registration to use their graphic,
...
At the time that I posted this post, I was not aware that the graphic I had used was owned by ResearchBlogging.org. ResearchBlogging.org did not request that I remove their graphic, and in fact their rules are ambiguous, and they do not say that the graphic I used cannot be used while one is seeking an application with Researchblogging.org. (emphases mine)

Right, so he was aware that one should be registered to use the icon, but wasn't sure whether one could use the icon if one was not registered.  Got it.

Bob

So... first he pubjacked, now he's offering a notpology. What's he gonna do to pull off the hat trick?

Date: 2008/02/05 14:55:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 05 2008,14:37)
Ignorance which could have been cured by typing in researchblogging.org

In Casey's defense, he was too busy typing "Casey Luskin" into Google's image search engine.

Date: 2008/02/05 17:01:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 05 2008,16:53)
Casey is polishing his crown of thorns, and I'm sure he'll claim he was banned or somesuch.

It's easy to see why FtK thinks Casey's the man - his posts read pretty much like FtK's would if they were run through a spell checker.

Date: 2008/02/06 07:11:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 06 2008,06:58)
This is the bathroom wall, so let me ask:

What is this shit, and what is it supposed to mean? The only message I can decipher, at present, is "FtK overdosed on caffeine last night".

I think it's part caffeine and part wanting to fall on the grenade for her buddy Casey Luskin.

Date: 2008/02/06 17:24:58, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 06 2008,16:49)
New thread on Luskin at BPR3 here

I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

Date: 2008/02/06 18:06:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 06 2008,17:31)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 06 2008,17:24)
I feel a little sorry for Dave Munger. While I wouldn't fault him for rejecting Luskin's application simply because Casey Luskin's name is on it, no matter how valid his reasons are - and they are valid - the DI is going to interpret this as more persecution from the Materialist Establishment.

Which they undoubtedly planned to do from the outset.

This will play well among the science-haters on UD, of course. But I doubt that it will make a bit of difference in the long run.

Yeah, it was a win/win scenario for Luskin. If he got accepted, it would make ID seem more "sciencey" to the rubes. If he got denied, it's another opportunity to play the martyr.

Since the persecution card is such powerful currency in the ID world, Luskin's probably quite satisfied with the decision.

Date: 2008/02/08 08:42:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 07 2008,20:14)
For all you bloggers, Mr. DNA gives us this at The Church Burnin' Ebola Blog:



   
Quote
Because Intelligent Design provides us with a never ending cycle of asshattery, because there are so many variants of woo available on the internet and because there are those of us who love vivisecting all forms of pseudoscience, it had to be done.

Inspired by Casey Luskin’s recent bout of Douchebaggitude, I created a little graphic “riffing on” - as Denyse O’Leary would say - BPR3’s “Blogging on Peer-Reviewed Research” icon. Here is the “Blogging on Pseudo-Scientific Douche-Bags” graphic, Mark II.


More at the link...

ETA- He's even registered the pictured url for future use.

Just a heads up: Blogging on PseudoScientific DoucheBags is up, with some posts for ideas and suggestions on how to best implement the concept.

JanieBelle asked about using the graphic for older posts. Personally, I think that's a good idea, and if anyone wants to try it out, just use the image, linking it to "http://www.bpsdb.org/" and add the tag "bpsdb.org" to your post. If your site is crawled by Technorati, the post should be aggregated at bpsdb.org...

Date: 2008/02/08 09:33:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 08 2008,09:21)
unfortunately, the code didn't work in blogger and I had to use the picture. I hope nobody will complain about this Luskinesk behaviour at bpsdp.org

That's not a problem at all. In fact, I'd rather people host the image on their own servers, linking the image to bpsdb.org when possible.

Date: 2008/02/08 11:24:00, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 08 2008,11:12)
Much as I like the underlying concept, the execution is going to prevent me from using this logo. If it were simply phrased as "Blogging on Pseudoscience", the nice cheery "FAIL" would be a welcome addition to various posts of mine. However, the "Douchebags" part is something I'm just not down with as a general addition to my prose, no matter how well-deserved the sobriquet might be for the target of the moment. Sorry. Would you mind providing a toned-down icon for wimps like me?

No problem at all, Wesley. I'll post links to the updated graphics once they're ready.

Date: 2008/02/08 12:07:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
For our Benevolent Overlord, Wesley Elsberry:

and


Will that work?

Date: 2008/02/08 15:07:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Feb. 08 2008,14:53)
Is this blogging on pseudoscience thing free to use? I could probably stick it to a couple of my posts.

Sure. Right now, there's a few requirements which are negotiable if you think I'm being a hardass:

1) The image - whether you're using the one from bpsdb.org or hosting it on your own site - links to http://www.bpsdb.org (the code for using the images hosted at bpsdb.org are at the site)

2) Any future posts using the image contain a "bpsdb.org" tag

3) You're willing to - at the very least - have the headline of your post aggregated at bpsdb.org. At the most, it will be your post's headline and the first paragraph or first few sentences - the post will contain a link back to your site for readers wishing to read the entire article.

Is that agreeable?

Date: 2008/02/08 15:41:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 08 2008,15:32)
What, you think Dave will figure out that atom spelled backward is "mota", and think it's someone slamming him about his weight problem?

BTW - I'd like to claim credit for making DaveScot put every new name registered through the Nixplanatory Filter to see what it spells.  Will Nature soon evolve the ability to use Anagrams to fool him next?  Stay Tuned!

"mota" is also Mexican slang for marijuana. Is UD condoning drug use? Won't somebody please think of the children?!?

Without giving too much away, I know for a fact that the Nixplanatory Filter isn't very good at deciphering grade school level cryptography...

Date: 2008/02/08 18:00:29, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 08 2008,17:53)
I wanted to raise my children, and it literally killed me to give them away each day.

"literally" as in, "I am using the word killed in the literal sense; I actually experienced death", or "literally" as in "the Bible is literally true except for all those parables, metaphors and translation errors"?

Date: 2008/02/08 18:32:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 08 2008,18:18)
literally
adverb

in a literal manner or sense; exactly : the driver took it literally when asked to go straight across the traffic circle | tiramisu, literally translated “pick me up.”

• informal used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true : I have received literally thousands of letters.

USAGE In its standard use, literally means ‘in a literal sense, as opposed to a nonliteral or exaggerated sense,’: I told him I never wanted to see him again, but I didn't expect him to take it literally. In recent years, an extended use of literally (and also literal) has become very common, where literally (or literal) is used deliberately in nonliteral contexts, for added effect: they bought the car and literally ran it into the ground. This use can lead to unintentional humorous effects (we were literally killing ourselves laughing) and is not acceptable in formal English.

There's a blog about the misuse of the word "literally", and David Cross does some good stand up on the subject.

I have what seems to be a lifetime subscription to The Fortean Times (I provided some graphics for an article 10 years ago, and I'm still receiving free copies) - awhile back there was an ad for some memory improvement program and in one of the testimonials, a man bragged about how his mind had "literally been transformed into a steel trap".

Date: 2008/02/08 19:04:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 08 2008,18:51)
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Feb. 08 2008,18:32)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 08 2008,19:18)
It's not a notpology. I apologize, I retract, whatever it takes.

I haven't even read the thread and it's obvious this is an utterly bogus apology.  A real apology acknowledges the wrong done, it doesn't just say "sorry for whatever, can we forget about it".

Not that anything FtK says ever means anything even slightly substantial anyway.

1) Ftk is a woman.
2) Women are endemically unsuitable to be presidents, have authority, or "wear pants" in a family.
2a) Because FtK said so.
3) Any group of people too deficient to ever be trusted with authority probably isn't worth talking to.
Therefore, 4) We should all snub FtK and ignore everything she says.

All in favor?

Good call. Just like we shouldn't trust Hillary Clinton with The Button, neither should we trust FtK with The Edit Button.

Date: 2008/02/09 10:46:37, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 09 2008,10:27)
Quote
Fishing,
Beautiful day,
Sunshine drenching my skin,
Water moves by and by,
Silver waves ripple.


Haiku?  Um...Ftk?

I understand why you're so anti-Education now.  If that's what  your son believes an haiku is, he's getting screwed.

Which brings me to my second point.  Your son thought it sounded gay?  You don't see that as discriminatory in any way?  Just a phrase to be laughed at?  You don't see his attitude as dismissive to any person, subject matter, profession, etc.  Good thing he's not going to do anything artistic in his life, right?

All about creating well-rounded kids, aren't we?

Perhaps the 17 syllable rule is "only a theory" in Kansas.

TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!!ELEVEN!

Date: 2008/02/09 11:25:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA



I don't know why FtK has a problem with the Bird-to-Dino thing.

Date: 2008/02/09 18:58:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 09 2008,17:16)
ETA:

Here's a lovely one by T. Keller:



ETAA:  It also has the advantage of having been labeled a Great Blue Herring

Doesn't the Blue Herring feed on freshwater pariahs?

Date: 2008/02/09 21:01:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 09 2008,20:32)
Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 09 2008,21:21)
I went over to the Biologic Institute today to do a bit of scouting. I had generally assumed it would be office-only, conceivably only a mailbox, but a possibility of containing a small lab. Anyway, it's part of a 3 story office building, and occupies part of the bottom floor. There appeared to be one door in, with a sign that said Discovery Institute Center for Science and Culture: Biologic Institute. I didn't know that the Biologic Institute was officially part of the DI.

Unfortunately, all the blinds were closed on the outside windows. This was only the case for the BI, the rest of the office building had blinds open. One could speculate that they close the blinds to keep people like me from verifying that there is no lab space, but there are plenty of other reasons to do so. So the contents of the BI remain a mystery to me.

Conclusion: There is certainly enough space in the office building for a lab. No one was working there on the weekend, so they probably don't have a lot of employees.

Odd.  You'd think all the experiments would be under 24/7 surveillance so they could be there to see the Intelligent Finger poking around.

Does God show up on surveillance video?

And more importantly, did you leave a flaming bag of dog poop at the front door?

Date: 2008/02/09 21:29:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 09 2008,20:33)
It doesn't look like the creationists need Ben Stein.
 
Quote
Creationists Seek Foothold in Europe
By GREGORY KATZ,AP

LONDON (Feb. 9) - After the Sunday service in Westminster Chapel, where worshippers were exhorted to wage "the culture war" in the World War II spirit of Sir Winston Churchill, cabbie James McLean delivered his verdict on Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

"Evolution is a lie, and it's being taught in schools as fact, and it's leading our kids in the wrong direction," said McLean, chatting outside the chapel. "But now people like Ken Ham are tearing evolution to pieces."

Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, a Kentucky-based organization that is part of an ambitious effort to bring creationist theory to Britain and the rest of Europe. McLean is one of a growing number of evangelicals embracing that message - that the true history of the Earth is told in the Bible, not Darwin's "The Origin of Species."

Europeans have long viewed the conflict between evolutionists and creationists as primarily an American phenomenon, but it has recently jumped the Atlantic Ocean with skirmishes in Italy, Germany, Poland and, notably, Britain, where Darwin was born and where he published his 1859 classic.

Darwin's defenders are fighting back. In October, the 47-nation Council of Europe, a human rights watchdog, condemned all attempts to bring creationism into Europe's schools. Bible-based theories and "religious dogma" threaten to undercut sound educational practices, it charged.

So much for my plans to emigrate to Europe.  :(

Does "cabbie" have a different meaning in the UK? Over here, a cabbie is a taxi driver. Is "cabbie" British slang for "Electrical Engineer" or "Refrigerator Repairman"?

Date: 2008/02/09 22:01:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I think I've got things running at bpsdb.org. The site won't officially be "open" until Tuesday, but here's the basics for those of you who are interested.

   
Quote
1) Take your pick of the graphic you want to use. Code for the icons and links to downloadable .png images for those of you who want to host the graphics on your own site can be found here. When at all possible, make sure the graphic links back to http://www.bpsdb.org/

2) When you tag, label, and/or categorize your post, make sure you add the "BPSDB" tag. If you create a "BPSDB" category on your blog, your posts in that category should show up, but tags are the best way to go (labels if you use blogspot).

3) By using the BPSDB graphic, you agree to the following:

  • The headline of your post, along with a summary paragraph (or couple of sentences) will be aggregated here at bpsdb.org
  • Your site will be added to bpsdb.org's blogroll
  • You won't run your blog like a douchebag and ban people just because they disagree with you. (For more details, see the fourth paragraph here)



Read the rest here.

I apologize if it seems like I've hijacked this thread... I'll do any future blogwhoring on The Bathroom Wall.

Date: 2008/02/10 08:29:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Arab Hobo suggested I start a thread so the Casey Luskin thread doesn't get derailed any further.

First off, how is the blog's new look?

The banner frees me up to add a motto. I was thinking of something along the lines of: "Chronicling the Never Ending Cycle of Woo". Perhaps someone can think of something better.

Also... if anyone thinks that there are any classic AtBC posts that ought to be archived at BPSDB.org it would be a cinch to import them to the site and post them under the original author's name.

I'll be consolidating all the requirements, links to BPSDB and BPS icons, etc. to one page later on today.

Date: 2008/02/10 08:40:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 10 2008,08:18)
The ever-reliable tardmeister DS opines that it is not true that the US is falling behind in science literacy.    
Quote
Piffle! The notion that science literacy in the U.S. is substandard is rooted in the results of science surveys that include questions about evolution... So in those surveys they give the “incorrect” answer to questions about the origin of life.

And the commenters tard it up pretty well too...

linky

Sweet Baby Jesus. Dave's been on a roll lately.... That one's a classic.

Date: 2008/02/10 14:01:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Good idea, Lou. I was going to add the obligatory link to After the Bar Closes, so I'll use an "I'm With The Banned" graphic for the link.

I added a Members Page that consolidates all the Contribution details, code for the images and other info.

Once I get all the kinks worked out, BPSDB.org should pretty much run itself - it will just be a matter of me clicking the "publish" button a few times a day. Which is good, because I've been neglecting CBEB's...

Date: 2008/02/10 14:38:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 10 2008,14:04)
 
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 10 2008,14:01)
Good idea, Lou. I was going to add the obligatory link to After the Bar Closes, so I'll use an "I'm With The Banned" graphic for the link.

I added a Members Page that consolidates all the Contribution details, code for the images and other info.

Once I get all the kinks worked out, BPSDB.org should pretty much run itself - it will just be a matter of me clicking the "publish" button a few times a day. Which is good, because I've been neglecting CBEB's...

I AM STILL WEIGHTING FOR MY OFFER.

I WANY A SINGING BONUS AND A 401K.

here's your singing bonus, homo
There should be 401 Ks, and then some.

Date: 2008/02/10 19:17:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (The Wayward Hammer @ Feb. 10 2008,17:39)
The sad part about our decreasing engineering graduation numbers is that we are paying engineers very well due to that shortage.  My company offers bonuses to get an engineer to sign on.  

So, what's going on?  Why the shortage?

It's the same thing with geologists. I don't know about other  companies, but BP offers some sweet incentives for employees to get geology degrees.

Date: 2008/02/10 22:22:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 10 2008,21:51)
I trust that Salvador's classification of his posts as "Advanced Creation Science" is making everyone else laugh as hard as me.

Oh yeah. I've always understood "Advanced Creation Science" to mean that Sal has the "Stupid" knob cranked to 11.

Date: 2008/02/10 22:39:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
My thoughts on Margaret Thatcher...

For all their faults, the Reagan/Thatcher era inspired some kickass punk rock.

Date: 2008/02/10 22:59:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 10 2008,22:45)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 10 2008,23:39)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 10 2008,22:23)
Man, I wish I knew what was *wrong* with you people.  All I can figure out is that you must have had some *horrific* experiences with religious folks in the past to believe that religion is as bad as you seem to believe.

Believe it or not, FtK, some of us on this board are having a horrific experience with a religious person right this very second.


Amen.

ETA: That quote was from the BW.

Thanks, Lou.

I was on my way over here to paste it and saw that you beat me to it.

Maybe we can rename this thread "The Bathroom Floor"...

Date: 2008/02/10 23:42:02, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 10 2008,23:32)
Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Feb. 10 2008,23:28)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 10 2008,18:28)
You people are savages....it's rubbed off on me, and now I'm part of the problem when I enter ATbC bizzaro world.

I've never seen you act like anything other than a dishonest, lying and disingenuous twit myself.

Oh, that's another reason why I keep coming back.  To defend myself.  I've never been anything other than honest....yet, "twits" like this clown keep accusing me of dishonesty.


Now I see why FtK is waging her campaign on the Bathroom Wall: she's hoping that no one will notice there's a 200+ page thread chronicling her behavior.

Date: 2008/02/11 08:51:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,06:41)
Mr. DNA,

The RSS feed seems to be down.

ETA: The one for the Tag that you told us to use.

Sorry about that. I've fixed the link.

So far BPSDB has been endorsed by two ScienceBloggers:
Green Gabbro and
Greg Laden.

ERV is on board, and our own Wesley Elsberry is down with the Lite™ version.

I think this is gonna work.

I'll be making a "Blogging on Pseudo-Historian Douche-Bags" graphic for those wanting to blog on Holocaust & Civil War revisionism.

Date: 2008/02/11 09:42:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,09:24)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 11 2008,09:51)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,06:41)
Mr. DNA,

The RSS feed seems to be down.

ETA: The one for the Tag that you told us to use.

Sorry about that. I've fixed the link.

Still no love for me.

What program are you using?

See if this link works. When I paste it in my browser, it works...

The one thing that's not showing up is Greg Laden's post. I don't know what's up with that.

Is there something else that should be showing up, but isn't?

Date: 2008/02/11 15:22:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Here's part of AtBC's/CBEB's Darwin Day Card to Uncommon Descent:


Those of you familiar with the Darwin Day is coming... saga at CBEB's will know where this is going.

I'll have more pics later.

btw, tomorrow is also my nephew's 16th birthday. I don't think he's going to believe me when I tell him the bakery misspelled "Travis".

Date: 2008/02/11 16:31:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,16:16)
Quote
Tiny Pterodactyl Fossil Found

By Jeanna Bryner

A pterodactyl so small that you could hold it in your hand glided in forest canopies in northeastern China where it feasted on insects 120 million years ago, new fossil remains suggest.

Paleontologists discovered the nearly complete skeleton of a toothless mini-pterodactyl, called Nemicolopterus crypticus, in the western part of China's Liaoning Province.

With a wingspan of nearly 10 inches (25 centimeters), this half-pint represents the smallest pterosaur, a group of winged reptiles that shared a common ancestor with dinosaurs and ruled the skies during the Jurassic period (206 million to 144 million years ago) and the subsequent Cretaceous period, which ended 65 million years ago.

"The animal is a very young animal, but it's not a hatchling that just left the egg," said researcher Alexander Kellner of the Department of Geology and Paleontology at the Museu Nacional/Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro. "Therefore it is the smallest pterosaur ever found."


More at LiveScience

Paper to be published in tomorrow's Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

And Answers in Genesis will be issuing a paper claiming that this find proves that The Flintstones really used a pterodactyl for a phonograph needle.

Date: 2008/02/11 22:11:41, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Not to pile on Wesley's already damning indictment, but here FtK tells board member The Wayward Hammer he has "swallowed the blue pill" because he's a theistic evolutionist.

Does FtK think her posts vanish into thin air after someone's read them?

Date: 2008/02/11 23:43:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 11 2008,22:28)
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]<br/><br/>
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 11 2008,22:11)
Not to pile on Wesley's already damning indictment, but here FtK tells board member The Wayward Hammer he has "swallowed the blue pill" because he's a theistic evolutionist.

Does FtK think her posts vanish into thin air after someone's read them?

Do you consider that intolerant?  Boy, thank kinda makes your blog a swamp of intolerance, no?

Um.... I'm not the one claiming to be tolerant.

Speaking of religious intolerance, does your branch of Christianity have some proscription against personal responsibility? It's never about you, unless you want to climb up on your cross and play martyr; it's always about someone else.

I can admit that I'm not a very tolerant person. When someone's religion tells them to reject any evidence that the earth is older than 10,000 years, I see no reason to treat that person's belief with anything other than mockery.

I'm even less tolerant of Scientologists. I used to be a big Beck fan, but I haven't listened to any of my Beck CDs since I found out he swallowed Elron's Kool-Aid.

Wanda Jackson is a born again Christian, and she still rocks the house.

Date: 2008/02/12 00:02:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 11 2008,23:45)
Thanks for ruining Beck for me.  I'll be happy never looking at Tom Cruise again.  But Beck?  Did you have to bring him up?  Really?  Was that totally necessary?

Trust me, I know how you feel. Midnight Vultures used to be one of my favorite CDs, but I haven't listened to it in years.

If it's any consolation, he married into it.

Here's how deep my loathing of Scientology runs: After I saw that Forrest Whitaker was in Battlefield Earth, I had to check to make sure he wasn't a Scientologist. It's bad enough having to give up Beck, but I don't know if I could live without Ghost Dog: Way of the Samuari.

Turns out he's not. I think he practices some hybrid form of Buddhism.

Date: 2008/02/12 00:25:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (IanBrown_101 @ Feb. 12 2008,00:12)
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 12 2008,05:45)
Thanks for ruining Beck for me.  I'll be happy never looking at Tom Cruise again.  But Beck?  Did you have to bring him up?  Really?  Was that totally necessary?

Heh, my biggest problem is Giovanni Ribisi. That one was a hard one to hear about. Seriously though, being suckered into a religion made up because of a bet between two science fiction writers? As much as I don't want to say it, that takes some kinda stupid.

Yeah, Beck's brother-in-law was a tough one to swallow, too. Boiler Room was a great movie. (emphasis on "was").

Tom Berenger gained my respect when he divorced his wife after she tried converting his kids to Scientology. I guess I should watch Platoon in his honor...

Date: 2008/02/12 10:39:56, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 11 2008,21:50)
Anyone been here before?

Sweet Baby Jesus with a poop diaper, there is some good stuff in'ar.

Two words:  Loma Linda.

Oh yeah.

Hundreds of pages, each containing thousands of words, all of which can be summed up with, "The Bible said it, I believe it, that settles it!"

Good find.

Date: 2008/02/12 11:10:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,11:07)
Leaving aside J-Dog's low hanging humor center, isn't this a copyright violation?  Or is the picture in the public domain?

Like much of William Dembski's output, I think this would fall under the category of "parody" and thus be fair use.

Date: 2008/02/12 11:18:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (pwe @ Feb. 12 2008,10:55)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 08 2008,15:07)
 
Quote (J. O'Donnell @ Feb. 08 2008,14:53)
Is this blogging on pseudoscience thing free to use? I could probably stick it to a couple of my posts.

Sure. Right now, there's a few requirements which are negotiable if you think I'm being a hardass:

1) The image - whether you're using the one from bpsdb.org or hosting it on your own site - links to http://www.bpsdb.org (the code for using the images hosted at bpsdb.org are at the site)

2) Any future posts using the image contain a "bpsdb.org" tag

3) You're willing to - at the very least - have the headline of your post aggregated at bpsdb.org. At the most, it will be your post's headline and the first paragraph or first few sentences - the post will contain a link back to your site for readers wishing to read the entire article.

Is that agreeable?

Is it ok for anyone to join the fun?

I have made a couple of blog posts about William Dembski and might like to add the icon to them.


- pwe

Sure. Basically any one who has a blog and isn't a douchebag can join in the festivities.

If you don't have a blog, and want to participate, PM me. Maybe something can be worked out...

Date: 2008/02/12 11:53:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 12 2008,11:32)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 12 2008,11:10)
 
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 12 2008,11:07)
Leaving aside J-Dog's low hanging humor center, isn't this a copyright violation?  Or is the picture in the public domain?

Like much of William Dembski's output, I think this would fall under the category of "parody" and thus be fair use.

But what about the P-A-R-O-D-Y category?

:p

I don't know if the courts have yet ruled on Fair Use and P-A-R-O-D-Y or street theater.

I wonder if photoshopped images of praying Marines are automatically in the public domain...

Date: 2008/02/12 12:49:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Jasper @ Feb. 12 2008,12:25)
On her blog, FTK reproduces a diatribe by John West that was originally posted over on EN&V.  The post is full of outright distortions and misrepresentations, but I was particularly amazed by West's use of this quote from Ken Miller's Finding Darwin's God:  
Quote
Even the theists among evolution proponents tend to be less friendly to traditional religion than one might think. Biologist Kenneth Miller, who is usually cited as a traditional Roman Catholic by the news media, insists that evolution is an "undirected" process and that the development of human beings was "an afterthought, a minor detail, a happenstance in a history that might just as well have left us out."

(from EN&V)

The full context of the quote reveals (surprise!) that West is not accurately describing Miller's viewpoint.  
Quote
So, what if the comet had missed? What if our ancestors, and not dinosaurs, had been the ones driven to extinction? What if, during the Devonian period, the small tribe of fish known as rhipidistians had been obliterated? Vanishing with them would have been the possibility of life for the first tetrapods. Vertebrates might never have struggled onto the land, leaving it, in Gould's words, forever "the unchallenged domain of insects and flowers."

Surely this means that mankind's appearance on this planet was not pre-ordained, that we are here not as the products of an inevitable procession of evolutionary success, but as an afterthought, a minor detail, a happenstance in a history that might just as well have left us out. What follows from this, to skeptic and true believer alike, is a conclusion whose logic is rarely challenged - that no God would ever have used such a process to fashion his prize creatures. How could he have been sure that leaving the job to evolution would lead things to working out the "right" way? If it was God's will to produce us, then by showing that we are the products of evolution, we would rule God as Creator. Therein lies the value or the danger of evolution.

Not so fast. The biological account of lucky historical contingencies that led to our own appearance on this planet is surely accurate. What does not follow is that a perceived lack of inevitability translates into something that we should regard as incompatibility with a divine will. To do so seriously underestimates God, even as this God is understood by the most conventional of Western religions.

Yes, the explosive diversification of life on this planet was an unpredictable process. But so were the rise of Western civilization, the collapse of the Roman Empire, and the winning number in last night's lottery. We do not regard the indeterminate nature of any of these events in human history as antithetical to the existence of a Creator; why should we regard similar events in natural history any differently? There is, I would submit, no reason at all. If we can view the contingent events in the families that produced our individual lives as consistent with a Creator, then certainly we can do the same for the chain of circumstances that produced our species.

The alternative is a world where all events have predictable outcomes, where the future is open neither to chance nor to independent human action. A world in which we would always evolve is a world in which we would never be free. To a believer, the particular history leading to us shows how truly remarkable we are, how rare is the gift of consciousness, and how precious is the chance to understand.

(my empasis)

Have you read Ken Miller's book, FTK?

Do you think that West has done justice to Miller's viewpoint?

Thanks for digging that up. I read the piece earlier and it was obvious that West is merely engaging in a disinformation campaign. No links to what was actually said, and several ellipses; a sure sign that West is playing fast and loose with the facts.

Date: 2008/02/12 13:39:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2008,13:05)


Ok, I think I'm done with this now.

It's beginning to look like this:


Dr. Demsbki's ID Farty Noise Band

It was years ago in West P.A.,
That the Judge ruled I-Design inane
But no appeal will the DI file
Casey Luskin’s still in denial.
So may I introduce to you
Some guys who come from Waterloo,
Dr. Dembski's ID Fart-Noise Band.

We're Dr. Dembski's ID Fart-Noise Band,
We hope you will enjoy the show,
We're Dr. Dembski's ID Fart Noise Band,
If you don't, DaveScot will make you go.
Dr. Dembski's ID, Dr. Dembski's ID,
Dr. Dembski's ID Fart-Noise Band.

It's wonderful to be here,
It's certainly a thrill.
But I'm not about to match your
Pathetic level of detail,
Pathetic level of...

I didn't really want to testify,
'cause you know I would have had to lie,
But you really knew that all along,
Because everything I do is wrong.
So let me introduce to you
The kings of all street theater
Dr. Dembski's ID Fart-Noise Band.

ETA: co-writing credit goes to J-Dog
(but send the royalty checks to me... I'll make sure he gets his share)

Date: 2008/02/12 15:14:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 12 2008,14:52)
EDIT: FTK in "Valley" at the Crapola translator
 
Quote
Good Lord, that is like totally simply unbelieveable. If there is like totally even a single word that might allow students to like, consider the controversial issues in this debate, you'll receive an "F" on your science standards. But, hey, if you pepper the standards with evolutionary rhetoric throughout, we'll give ya an "A". Sounds like they're scared to like, death that the students may learn the truth about how weak their theory actually is. Oh my God!

Amused me for a moment.... :p

It looks as if you've found Denyse O'Leary's ghostwriter.

Date: 2008/02/12 17:11:24, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 12 2008,17:07)
Quote (PTET @ Feb. 12 2008,17:00)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 12 2008,16:13)
New book adevertised at UD:

http://www.beyondcreationscience.com/

They're not even pretending any more. It's all about the advertising revenue & book sales.

All creation science so far!!!

Hmmm... You can advertise at UD automagically. Although that book says a frikkin' huge amount about the market for ID.

We should advertise AtBC, or CBEB, or BPSDB

GMTA, they say.

Sure, it would be putting a few bucks in WAD's pockets, but the screen caps alone would be worth it.

Date: 2008/02/12 19:42:09, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 12 2008,19:36)
It's funny how some of the posts are more amusing the second time 'round.

Yep. It's about the most fun you can have on Darwin Day without actually burning down a church.

Date: 2008/02/12 20:08:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 12 2008,19:55)
Not something you see every day. The Baby Jesus wearing a Twizzler.

Maybe He's getting ready for Mardi Gras.

Should we do the "reveal" now? Everyone else is probably wondering what the hell we're talking about...

Date: 2008/02/12 20:35:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Ftk's "Happy Darwin Day!!" post at 7:29 pm, CST:



The very same post at 7:30 pm, CST:



I really didn't have any problem with her stealing using my image or my bandwidth. My big problem was that I like to keep really tidy access logs, so I keep off-site images on a separate server. Had she asked, I would've made the image available on another server, but then I realized that we could all have a laugh at her expense.

Happy Darwin Day, FtK.

Date: 2008/02/12 21:58:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Paul Flocken @ Feb. 12 2008,21:12)
Not strictly idc'ism:

I just googled for the phrase 'oil is fungible'.  As I started typing, the toolbar returned the first possible completed phrase--'oil is not a fossil fuel'.  This piqued my curiosity enough to click on it and lo I found some marvelous tard I had not encountered previously.  I am not a wingnut connoisseur, so I don't know how long this @$$hattery has been going on but they put this out only last week.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59991

The marvelous tard in particular?  The great discovery that hydrocarbons are not ORGANIC!!!

 
Quote
The abiotic theory of the origin of oil directly challenges the conventional scientific theory that hydrocarbons are organic in nature,

If you want to mine more Tard from the abiotic oil woo, check out the customer reviews for Black Gold Stranglehold.

Apparently, the authors of the book use "zillions" as an actual mathematical number.

Date: 2008/02/12 22:54:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (blipey @ Feb. 12 2008,22:30)
The pictures gone because, uh...well, it seems that Mr. DNA was embarrassed by Ftk's usage of his pic.  That stretches things too far to be comprehensible.  Nicely reworked, Ftk.



In other news, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Date: 2008/02/13 12:40:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 13 2008,12:21)
Quote (ERV @ Feb. 13 2008,13:07)
PZ is in :)

Awesome.

Indeed. Judging from the comments, it looks like we have our own Bob O'H to thank.

PZ's post has already resulted in a few new registrations. It will take a few hours for his post to show up in BPSDB's feed, but I'll keep an eye out for it.

The biggest ScienceBlogger blogging on one of the biggest PseudoScientific DoucheBags. Great news.

Date: 2008/02/13 12:51:18, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 13 2008,11:50)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 12 2008,09:59)
Found the original.

Ok, it was taken in 1927, and the wikipedia page they took it from says it's in the public domain because it's over 70 years old.

ETA:



A. Piccard, E. Henriot, P. Ehrenfest, Ed. Herzen, Th. De Donder, E. Schrödinger, J.E. Verschaffelt, W. Pauli, W. Heisenberg, R.H. Fowler, L. Brillouin,

P. Debye, M. Knudsen, W.L. Bragg, H.A. Kramers, P.A.M. Dirac, A.H. Compton, L. de Broglie, M. Born, N. Bohr,

I. Langmuir, M. Planck, Mme. Curie, H.A. Lorentz, A. Einstein, P. Langevin, Ch. E. Guye, C.T.R. Wilson, O.W. Richardson

Fifth conference participants, 1927. Institut International de Physique Solvay.

Rigorous use of the explanatory filter enables us to determine what would have happened if Dembski et al had jumped in a time machine and actually showed up at the Solvay Conference:

Introductory statements:  "Get away from me, you loonies" in English, German, French, Danish and Polish.  Session adjourned.

Lunch and restraining orders are served.

Everyone gets back to work.

And for security purposes, lunch is held at the Baylor Cafeteria.

Date: 2008/02/13 14:32:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 13 2008,12:01)
You can lauch all kinds of shit at me on "my" thread, and you know the lurkers will never spend the time searching for my answers at the BW.


This is what is known as "Wishful Thinking", FtK.

The more people investigate your responses, the more people come to see how well-deserved is all the mockery aimed at you.

Date: 2008/02/13 14:38:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Over at After the Bar Closes, a friend has, you know, shown the natural consequences of the materialist's evolutionary, like, Tree of Life, yo.

You hell-bound Protestants whose comments I won't let through moderation will be totally surprised to see that the Pope is not part of the tree.

p.s. - Buy my book.

Like, totally,

Denyse O'Leary

Date: 2008/02/13 14:54:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 13 2008,13:42)
I was a bit surprised that PZed wasn't in earlier, but perhaps he hadn't seen it.

I guess our next targets should be Orac and Ben Goldacre.  I emailed Ben a couple of weeks ago about it, and I've posted at the Bad Science forum, so if nothing happens soon I might have to up the pressure.  :-)

Bob

Thanks again for getting PZ on the bandwagon, Bob.

I need to hurry up and make a "Blogging on Pseudo-Historian DoucheBags" icon - Orac's stuff on Holocaust Denial screams out for one of those. Plus, his "Friday Dose of Woo" definitely qualifies for the BPSDB program.

A question for those of you who have had posts aggregated at the site: Have you noticed any increase in traffic? My "Advanced Creation Science, or simplistic propaganda?" post is getting a lot of hits today because of the huge amount of traffic coming in from Pharyngula.

Date: 2008/02/13 15:36:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 13 2008,15:11)
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 13 2008,10:06)
I've only been subject to this crap for a little over three years, and I've had it.

[puts on war fatigues and heads for Sal's bunker]

 
Quote (Ftk @ Feb. 13 2008,12:16)
 
Quote
You don't even mention that the emphasis you have added is your own.

Yes, I did, you idiot.  Blind?  It's right there in the quote:

[my emphasis]

And, don't for a second say that I just now added that, BECAUSE IT WAS THERE FROM THE START.

Jerk.

130 minutes.  Has FTK broken her record for shortest flounce-out?

Damn. I was thinking of getting a pot going to see how long FtK's self-imposed exile will last. I guess we'll have to wait for the next one.

Date: 2008/02/13 16:36:26, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I also updated the aggregated version of PTET's post at BPSDB.org, providing a link to Uncommon Descent's reaction.

Date: 2008/02/13 17:28:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 13 2008,17:22)
Unacknowledged edit:



 
Quote
16

DaveScot

02/13/2008

5:51 pm
larry

Whatever I wrote about O’Leary I never bagged on her religious beliefs.


Oh Davetard, I'd stop digging if I were you..

Is DaveScot now a double agent for AtBC?

Sorta like Mata Hari... but with bigger tits.

Date: 2008/02/13 18:46:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
vesf is back:
Quote
vtjorley,

Like you, first thought the quotes attributed to DaveScot at that obscene website were more of the typical Darwinist lies.

DaveScot served in the US Marines defending the right for filthy atheists like this PTET character to mutter profanities, so Dave has more than earned the right to “swear like a sailor” if he so chooses. At least he has the class not to do it on Dr. Dembski’s blog.

It makes me so angry that the Anti-Christian Lawyer’s Union will spend millions of dollars to protect the right of old men to pretend to be lesbians, but won’t lift a finger when comes to our right to teach children about the evidence for a Designer.

DaveScot might be a little rough around the edges, but we should all be thankful that we have someone like him on our side fighting the good fight.


I'll bet DT's reaching for the lotion and Kleenex right about now..

Date: 2008/02/13 20:35:48, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 13 2008,20:27)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 13 2008,19:32)
 
Quote
DaveScot said...
Rich,

Thanks for your continued interest in Uncommon Descent's traffic stats. The reason they are no longer there is a server migration a couple of months ago where there's no X-Panel with those nifty utilities I was using to track the traffic. I miss them more than you do to be sure.


Couple of months? Errrrrrrrrrr

The reason they are no longer there is that the numbers went down down down. No more record months for UD.

Plus, it probably made Dr. Dr. Dembski depressed to realize that 90% of UD's traffic comes from sites dedicated to mocking him.

Date: 2008/02/13 21:18:05, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 13 2008,21:03)
DaveScot can't possibly delete the thread that humiliated him, so he's bumping up the Bulverism thread, complete with comments, no doubt in the hope that people will just forget.

Hell, that thread doesn't make him look much better.

He should go for the trifecta and resurrect the Praying Marines post.

Date: 2008/02/13 22:22:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Kristine, that poster is awesome - I wouldn't mind hanging it on my wall, but it needs a "PYGMIES + DWARFS" reference to  make it complete...

Date: 2008/02/14 10:46:35, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (PsychoAtheist @ Feb. 14 2008,10:40)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2008,09:29)
Oh priceless:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....tennial


Dembski has a hissy fit over Dawkin's ability to sell books!!!

Anyone else notice that the image of Dawkins (and Sophie Dahl) currently showing on Dembski's site is hotlinked directly from The New York Observer?

http://observer.cast.advomatic.com/files....ins.jpg

Still what's a little bandwidth theft when compared to the rest of Dembski's repertoire?

Please, for the love of all that is Good and Holy, don't anyone bring this up at UD.

I'm going to cross my fingers and hope the the folks at the NY Observer have a sense of humor...

Date: 2008/02/14 13:37:06, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 14 2008,13:32)
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,13:27)
Any chance one of you can post this at UD?  Rich will your buddy davetard post it for you?  Even he has to see the humor.

rich - maybe send to PZ?  It is definitely worthy of wider dissemination.

ps:  I don't think DaveTard's gonna do it.

I'd gladly host it, but only about 20 people read my blog.

Date: 2008/02/14 15:59:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,15:52)
From the "Dawkins sells more books than me, waaaaaahhh!" thread:

Quote
11

vesf

02/14/2008

3:27 pm
If all goes well, Dr. Dembski will have the last laugh on Darwin’s next birthday.

Wouldn’t it be sweet if by the time Dawkins publishes his book, Darwin’s silly “theory” has finally been exposed and all the universities are using Exploring Evolution and The Design of Life as textbooks?

It’s only a matter of time, friends…


Now THAT is cleary the TOTW*!




*tard of the week

Do you think a "Waterloo" reference would have made it past the Nixplanatory Filter?

Date: 2008/02/14 16:28:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2008,16:11)
Someone writes about Dave, in Moon-language:

http://paholaisen-asianajaja.blogspot.com/2008....ja.html

I love the comment from Tuomo "Squirrel" Hämäläinen:
Quote
DaveScot, O'Learyn usean blogin pito ja ristiinlinkittäminen itseensä, "itse itseni referenssiksi saaden" mallia "maksimoidaan Googlehitit" ja Salvador Cordovan tekstit tuovat aina iloa elämään.

Puhumatta tietysti aina yhtä ilahduttavasta Egnorista.

Ilman heitä elämäni olisi köyhempää. Voisi miltei sanoa että "Kuka tarvitsee ystäviä, kun on heidän kaltaisiaan vihollisia"?


I have no idea what it says, but if it mentions DT, DO'L and Slimy Sal, it's gotta be funny.

Date: 2008/02/14 16:37:57, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 14 2008,16:34)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2008,17:11)
Someone writes about Dave, in Moon-language:

http://paholaisen-asianajaja.blogspot.com/2008....ja.html

It's might be Finnish, and it's Advocatus Diaboli's blog.

Here's what Intertran made of the text of that.  It's pretty funny to read this way.

It looks like "Salvador" is Finnish for "Ointment". If that's true, that's almost the funniest thing I've seen all day.

I say "almost" because I've been reading UD, too.

Date: 2008/02/14 16:58:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,16:54)
Ok, is the colson thread gone at UD?

Yep, it's gone.

Sayeth Dr. Dr. Dembski:
Quote
I deleted this thread because I found the comments offensive. Let’s keep postings and comments germane to ID.

Date: 2008/02/14 17:11:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Screen capped, in case it disappears:

Date: 2008/02/14 17:34:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,17:10)
Two davetard meltdowns in less than 24 hours

Two deleted/locked threads at UD in less than 24 hours (due to davetard's tardic behaviour)

1 UD tard fight that included davetard and DLH

Have we struck davetard gold this week or what? I wonder if he's trying some new medication or something.

Mr. Christopher, I had a feeling that this month's Tardfest was part of UD's Darwin Day festivities, but I guess I was wrong. It looks like we're having an all-year Tardfest in preparations for Darwin's 200th Birthday.

Date: 2008/02/14 18:45:00, Link
Author: Mister DNA
No commentary needed:
 
Quote
Thank you, Dr. Dembski. You are without peer when it comes to The Argument Regarding Design.

I must say, I was also curious about the TV show you would be on. To be honest, I was hoping it would be one of the more credible programs like Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and not an America hating liberal windbag like that Olbermann idiot.

I certainly hope you will publish this in the next issue of Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design. When is the next issue coming out, anyway?

Date: 2008/02/14 20:08:13, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Feb. 14 2008,19:41)
this is true by the way. the example is invented (but no less valid), but the program does exist.
 
Quote


12

Venus Mousetrap

02/14/2008

8:26 pm

Dr Dembski: I love the idea of conservation of information, but I’ve been having difficulty demonstrating it. I wrote a program which starts with a letter (’a') and then applies three kinds of random mutations (point, duplication, and deletion).

I’ll show you a quick example…

a
aa (duplication)
ab (point mutation)
aba (duplication of just the first letter - it selects a random range to duplicate)
abb (point)
bb (deletion)
bbbb (duplication)
bdbb (point)
bdbdbb (duplication of the ‘db’)
bdb (deletion of the 3rd, 4th, 5th letters)

It makes a lovely string of characters, but I really feel I’m missing the point - these can’t be informationally equivalent can they? I mean, I haven’t yet found out how to calculate information, but if all these strings are equivalent, won’t any string be?

Venus Mousetrap, I was hoping your program would produce an "abba" string, which would have led to an inevitable "Waterloo" reference.

Date: 2008/02/15 03:28:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
An eyewitness account of the past few days' events at UD, plus a tribute to sockpuppets - past, present and future - who have fallen at the hands of the Nixplanatory Filter:

Vincent Edward St. Francis: Deep Cover Sockpuppet

Date: 2008/02/15 04:32:27, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Louis @ Feb. 15 2008,04:12)
*USAians, do you use this term for bookmaker/betting shop/turf accountant?

You should ask Dr. Dr. Dembski - he's the one always making bets around these parts. A bottle of single malt scotch says he'll know the answer.




Yeah, bookie is the common term in the colonies...

Date: 2008/02/15 12:06:49, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 15 2008,11:52)
i'm pretty sure that leo is one of us.  no design inference just a hunch.  wait is there a difference?  of course there is.  let me rephrase this:  I need leo stotch to be one of us or else there is no right and wrong.  OK Now design inference, I haz it.

Yeah, wasn't Leo Stotch responsible for the "at least until we know Denyse's middle name" gag?

If he's not one of us, it's only because he hasn't found us yet.

Date: 2008/02/15 12:31:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
A question for the group: Has this not been one of THE best UD weeks, ever?

If not THE best, it's gotta be in the top 5 all-time greatest moments in Tard. And the best thing about it is...

... they'll eventually do something to make this week pale in comparison.

Date: 2008/02/15 13:31:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Just a reminder, UD Watchers... don't slack up. Something big might happen today. I had just about given up, but I just received word that they're gonna try to make it happen.

Sorry to be cryptic... PM me for details.

Date: 2008/02/15 13:47:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Alas, it's not meant to be.

I just got an email from someone at the Observer saying that while he was definitely down with it, the boss wasn't.

 
Quote
Sorry, I wish I could help you more effectively--I agree, these guys are total apes. Maybe one day they'll evolve...


Had the plan gone through, this is the image that would have replaced the photo of Richard Dawkins on Uncommon Descent:

Date: 2008/02/15 19:02:33, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 15 2008,18:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2008,17:30)
IDISTS MAKE UP AWARD FOR EXPELLED:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....release

 
Quote
15 February 2008
Ben Stein Wins Johnson Award for EXPELLED — press release
William Dembski
La Mirada, Calif. — Ben Stein, known for his lead role in the film Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and his Comedy Central show Win Ben Stein’s Money, believes in liberty and truth. In recognition of this, Biola University’s masters in science and religion program will present him with the 2008 Phillip E. Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth on March 27, a month before the release of his major controversial motion picture, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.


...


Phillip E. Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth? Is that like the Iraqi information ministry award for accurate reporting?

Without googling, I am guessing that some of the prestigious past winners include Dr. Dr. Dembski, Michael Behe and Ted Haggard.

Next they'll be handing out the Denyse O'Leary Award for Excellence in, Like, Journalism.

Date: 2008/02/15 19:46:48, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 15 2008,19:45)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 15 2008,19:35)
Mister DNA,

For what it's worth, there already is a Casey Luskin Graduate Award.  Can you guess the first recipient?

Super Slimey Sal?

Without Googling, I'm going to say Casey Luskin was the first recipient... IIRC.

ETA: I didn't click on your link, either.

Date: 2008/02/15 19:54:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 15 2008,19:48)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 15 2008,19:35)
Mister DNA,

For what it's worth, there already is a Casey Luskin Graduate Award.  Can you guess the first recipient?

Heh heh.

Likewise, the inaugural recipient of the Phil Johnson award was . . . Phil Johnson.  A later recipient was Anthony Flew.  I don't know who else has gotten it.

Is the award a bronzed version of:

?

Date: 2008/02/15 21:20:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 15 2008,20:41)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 14 2008,11:37)
 
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 14 2008,13:32)
   
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,13:27)
Any chance one of you can post this at UD?  Rich will your buddy davetard post it for you?  Even he has to see the humor.

rich - maybe send to PZ?  It is definitely worthy of wider dissemination.

ps:  I don't think DaveTard's gonna do it.

I'd gladly host it, but only about 20 people read my blog.

You have TWENTY people that read YOUR bolg?  


I doubt that there are even 3 people that read MY blog.  I doubt that there are THREE people that even know the NAME of MY BLOG.

Scheech.

Like Uncommon Descent, I reckon about 90% of the readers of my blog come from After the Bar Closes.

I've only had it up for about 6 weeks, so I'm pretty happy that someone other than me is reading it.

Date: 2008/02/15 21:24:29, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 15 2008,21:05)
ETAA:  

Stones and Bones?

Damn... I think Gary needs to get one o' them there BPSDB icons. There's some good stuff at his blog.

Date: 2008/02/16 18:22:07, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 16 2008,18:06)
 
Quote (bystander @ Feb. 16 2008,17:44)
I think Sal is becoming one sick puppy. Has anybody been to his University? Would it be apt to point one of the campus welfare people to his blog.
It would be terrible to sit back and laugh at him one day and then find out that he decides that he is the hand of God.

My guess is that it is not just failing grades. I'd say that he is debating one of his professors and he is finding that in real life it is not as easy to pretend to win a discussion as it is on a blog.

I wonder if Ftk ever bangs her head on the table when she looks at who is on her side or she is so totally under the spell of Morton's demon that she can't really see the difference.

He's also taken to drinking.  Alone?   Probably.    
Quote
Apologies to the reader. The original title referred to “accelerated radioactive decay”. That was an error, the subject relates to “accelerated sedimentary deposition” and fast layering that has been mis-interpreted as long geological ages. The analysis I provided suggest this severe misinterpretation by paleogeolgists.[sic]

Sorry for the misprint. Perhaps it was too late at night and too much chardonay [sic]….

Emphasis added.  Ellipsis in original.

Are you sure  he means the wine when he says "Chardonay" [sic]?

He might have been in a club down in old Soho, where they drink champagne and it tastes just like Coca-Cola, when he met someone who goes by the name of "Chardonnay".

Date: 2008/02/16 19:58:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 16 2008,19:34)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 16 2008,20:28)
For a person who has spent a considerable amount of time at Dell, DaveT demonstrates a rather poor understanding of parallel processing:

Would it really shock anyone if it came to light that he was the guy in shipping that put the tape and labels on the boxes?

i dunno... has anyone ever found any Cheesy Poof particles stuck in the tape of those old Dell boxes?

Date: 2008/02/17 12:37:20, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 17 2008,11:48)
The Dembski predictions thread is still going strong, with plenty of tard for everyone.  The latest is gpuccio trying to decide if bacteria are intelligent:
 
Quote
Are bacteria intelligent? I don’t know. But I know for sure that they behave very intelligently, as do ants, bees, birds, and so on. Whence does that intelligence come?


BTW, is Joseph at UD Joe G?  I lose track sometimes.  

Bob

yeah, UD's Joseph = Joe G.

Date: 2008/02/17 13:25:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
In keeping with the theme that's been going on the past few days, I'm pleased to announce the Bob O'Hara Award for Distinguished Service in Blogging on PseudoScience. Naturally, the first recipient is...

Bob O'Hara

Bob's got PZ Myers, Afarensis, and Quackometer on board at BPSDB. Although Orac is giving Pooflinger credit, I think Bob played a part in that, too.

Great work, Bob.

Date: 2008/02/17 16:28:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (PTET @ Feb. 17 2008,16:05)
Quote
106
bFast
02/17/2008
4:50 pm

larrynormanfan, I am a Christian of the go to church every Sunday variety. Yet I do not find Miller’s theistic evolutionary view to be any less theologically palitable than ID is. (I actually find ID to be at significant tension with my “inspired word of God” upbringing.)

That said, it is not my faith that has me hold to an “agency” view of evolution — that our development was twiddled with along the way, it is the fact that I develop computer software. Every bone in my software developer’s body says that DNA did not develop as the simple byproduct of a set of laws. Not in a million years.

Tard overload.

bfast is aiming for Poster Boy status in the "Engineers Deny Evolution" campaign. Remember, he's the one who gave us this gem:
Quote
Gil, how much does this guy know about biology? I would suspect that any “brilliant” electrical engineer would line up with us software developers to voice his incredulity.

Date: 2008/02/17 17:15:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 17 2008,16:48)
That song on GodTube, ugh! There's no remote chance of me going to church since they kicked Bach out, if that's what they've replaced him with. (And aren't there any women in Iraq?) I am a snob, I admit it. :)

I've blogged before on FtK and the sorry state of so-called Christian Contemporary Music. I made it about 20 seconds into that song before I had to shut it off.

Did you see that Pledge of Allegiance video? I don't know where to start.

Date: 2008/02/18 00:16:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Happy Birthday to AtBC AND Uncommon Descent poster Bob O'H.

Are you gonna celebrate with us, or your friends at UD?

No matter where you're celebrating, I hope it's a good one.

Date: 2008/02/18 00:52:50, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 18 2008,00:44)
Thank you (and thank you for the present, too!).

I'll only celebrate over at UD if Dave puts up a thread like this.  I'm sure the likes of Mapou and Joseph will be keen to pass on their fondest greetings.  I'll just make sure they have the first slice of any cake they give me.

Bob

You won't want any cake from UD - if it's not poisoned, it will probably be Cheesy Poof flavored.

It definitely won't be one of those delicious cakes from the Baylor cafeteria.

Date: 2008/02/18 14:15:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (PTET @ Feb. 18 2008,13:54)
Quote
Skeptics In The Pub
Tuesday 19th February 2008, 7pm, £2
Holborn, London

Dr Matthew Smith
Matthew was awarded the Gertrude Schmeidler Award for an Outstanding Contribution to Parapsychology by the Parapsychological Association. Dr Smith’s current research, funded by the Bial Foundation, is examining the role of experimenter variables in ganzfeld-ESP research. Matthew has also received funding from the Perrott-Warrick Fund, the Parapsychology Foundation, and the Society for Psychical Research. Matthew has made several television appearances as a Resident Parapsychologist for Living TV's Most Haunted.
Anyone going along?

Skeptics? Pub?

I'll bet a few of us are swimming the Atlantic this very moment.

Date: 2008/02/18 15:32:16, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 18 2008,15:11)
Things are just dead at the tard mine today.  I guess all those melt-downs from last week have them on the mend.

Davetard must be nursing a whopper of a tard hangover.

One of the high points was WAD finally exposed his list of ID "predictions" thereby admitting he knows nothing of scientific predictions.  That alone was worth the price of admission.

I'll admit after all the davetard melt downs last week I'm suffering some mild withdrawl symptoms.  I even poked around the AIG site today in search of fresh stupidity.  But it's just not the same...

When it comes to sheer stupidity not many can compete with davetard and William "ID Gotz Pr3d!ckshuns" Dembski.

Chris

editz: the spelings

To paraphrase the Filosophy of the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers, "Tard will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no Tard."

After last week's Orgy of Tard Meltdown, I've decided to start off easy. A little FtK, some Salvador Cordova, a little Denyse O'Leary... that will build up the tolerance levels before wading into the Tard Swamp that is UD.

Date: 2008/02/18 18:02:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 18 2008,17:49)
 
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 18 2008,17:28)
I went over to UD again and all I got was this little snippet from WAD himself...

   
Quote
12

William Dembski

02/18/2008

6:12 pm
Thanks ChuckHumphry, but the point is not for the ID movement to become a mutual admiration society, but rather to recognize people from outside who are putting their neck on the chopping block to advance ID.


Yawn....

Ie not the good Dr. Dr. Dr. "can I get a witness?" Dembski himself...

Since it's impossible to recognize anyone for doing any science to advance ID, they have to recognize the ones who are wearing the "KICK ME" sign for the cause of creationism Intelligent Design.

edited: because I had to...

Date: 2008/02/18 19:25:31, Link
Author: Mister DNA
The End is Nigh. Ointment Cordova is being logical:
Quote
Is the creationist position so weak it must be defended by creeds instead of evidence? Is there biblical calculus? Is their biblical geometry? Is there a biblical value of PI? Is there biblical thermodynamics? Is there biblical chemistry? No. Such things are nonsense and are not made any better or more glorifying to God by suggesting a scientific idea is correct by merely saying, “thus saith the Lord.”

If one wishes to argue the Bible is true, argue from the evidence, not from the scriptures. To argue that the Bible is true based on the scriptures is circular reasoning. That is the AiG way, that is the ICR way, and that’s why YECs have such a bad reputation…


At first I thought someone with a functioning brain had hacked into his site, but sure enough, he gets his Tard on later on in the post.

Date: 2008/02/19 15:11:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Is bFast a sockpuppet?
Quote
The big tent holds much more than the YECers. It also holds those who are not Judeo-Christians. I like the big tent as it is, if only because without it we’ld have to kick out Salvador Cordova. That would be a pitty. Hey, what do you do with those who are seriously open to the possibility of a young or old earth? Are they big enough to enjoy the big tent?


There is some awesome Tard in that thread.

Date: 2008/02/19 18:37:23, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Has anyone addressed this post at Overwhelming Evidence?

 
Quote
The bulk of my life's work concerns not UFOs, but the peculiar Earth Mystery called “Ley-Lines”. At their most basic, Leys are precise linear alignments in geographical features. The most significant of these alignments can be often feature a number of historically significant landmarks, every one arranged in a perfect land across the landscape.


Is this guy a troll? Whoever he is, the post it great, as are the responses.

And in keeping with OE's "Doin' it 4 the Kidz" theme, the author provides some background:
 
Quote
I have always been interested in the esoteric, but my interest was not piqued until, while attending Sunbury Grammar School in 1960 (at the age of fourteen)


In other OE news, everything else is "Today at Mindful Hack"... "Today at The Design of Life"...

Waterlizzle fo' shizzle, y'all.

Date: 2008/02/19 20:28:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Gee, I don't understand why Larry's good buddies Salvador Cordova and For the Kids didn't jump on that bandwagon.

Date: 2008/02/20 23:35:36, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 20 2008,23:00)
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 20 2008,22:54)
Denyse explains that her impairments are due to poverty:
Quote
It costs something to have a mind.

No free hunch theorem?

She links to the same post three times.

If Denyse had a functional sense of humor, I'd think she was toying with us.

Earlier today, she posted this:
Quote
Like, the palm tree’s sort of behaviour would be okay for weeds, but … for TREES?


She's making it too easy...

Date: 2008/02/21 00:46:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 21 2008,00:31)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 20 2008,20:22)
Total Lunar Eclipse tonight, for anyone interested.

The moon should enter the earth's umbra in just about a half hour from now (8:43 Eastern time).

I was reading in a coffeeshop at the corner of Franklin and Columbia, and walked outside for an American Spirit, and wondered why everyone was staring at the sky.

It was pretty cool.

It was really overcast and foggy here, and I think every auto dealership in town decided to put the spotlights on, but eventually the moon creeped from behind the clouds.

Did anyone let J-Dog know about the eclipse? We might have to spend days coaxing him out of his cave if he thinks that it was a dragon eating the moon...

Date: 2008/02/29 16:23:03, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 29 2008,12:50)
Quote (sparc @ Feb. 29 2008,11:37)
A voice crying in the wilderness.
I think it is legitimate to ask who really is the "Isaac Newton of Information Theory" : DO'L is close to 1000 points at Overwhelmingboredom while the WMAD is still at -15.

Is there a person famous X for link farming?  We could call Denyse the "X of ID theory".

Before my computer died on me, I was writing a post entitled "Denyse O'Leary: The Magenta Thompson of Intelligent Design".

Fans of the old In Living Color series might get the reference, but unfortunately, there's no examples on YouTube.

"Magenta Thompson's Acting School" was run by a never-was actress who berated who students and talked about what a great thespian she was. She would finish her class by showing a clip of her acting skills from a movie in which she had "starred". The scene would turn out to be from a slasher flick, with Magenta Thompson screaming while being chased by some hockey-masked maniac. When the slasher finally caught her, instead of killing her, he'd push her aside and say, "Outta my way, bitch!"

Date: 2008/03/06 17:23:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Mar. 06 2008,11:12)
What is up with this "A" icon I see everywhere online?  Does it have some meaning other than being the first letter in the alphabet?


According to Slimy Sal, the "A" stands for "Anus".

Date: 2008/03/09 17:18:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (J-Dog @ Mar. 09 2008,16:42)
Quote (BopDiddy @ Mar. 09 2008,16:15)
I miss bornagain77 like a lolrus misses his bukket.

Did his library close down?  Is he in de^tox?  Sad that we may never know.

???

I'm still insinuating that he got caught withn 500 yards of a grade school again...

Mandatory 3-5 month sentence. He's hoping to run into his hero Kent Hovind, and currently discussing the Biblical Codes Impact of Intelligent Design with Bubba, Shemp, and Julio.  That's Julio wearing the cute red bandana.  

If he continues to preach to them, like he used to post at UD, they're about to chuck him into the pit with the Aryan Brothers.



White Power Bill: White Power!

Gob "bornagain77" Bluth: But I'm white...

Date: 2008/03/10 00:12:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Dr. John's Gumbo album. You can almost smell the crawfish and okra while it's playing...

Date: 2008/03/10 16:04:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 10 2008,15:18)
Denyse finds a sorta favorable review of The Design of Life.  It's in the The Saskatoon Star-Phoenix.

Two guys are driving through North Dakota and they suddenly realize that they've taken a wrong turn somewhere, and there's a possibility that they may be in Canada. They finally reach a town, and they ask the first pedestrian they see, "Hey, can you tell us where we are?"

The pedestrian replies, "Saskatoon, Saskatchewan."

The passenger of the car tells the driver, "Damn! We must really be lost. They don't even speak English here."

Date: 2008/03/10 22:00:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (podzolboy @ Mar. 10 2008,21:30)
Mister DNA

As a former resident of Saskatoon (born and raised) and the butt of many many jokes in the province in which I now reside I should be offended but that is an old old joke that I heard when I was a kid (by the way we are the only canadians that know how to drive in a blizzard).  What is offensive is the fact that Dense O'leer is a fellow "countrywoman" with few scruples and a poor understanding of how or why science actually works.  Having deeply enjoyed this thread since the halcyon days of Afdave and the many tardilcious moments that have come and sadly gone I would just like to say thank you to all the residents of this great site

Welcome to AtBC, podzolboy! If you feel the need to retaliate for my Saskatoon joke, by all means tell as many Texan jokes as you'd like. I'll start things off with a moldy oldie:

Q: How do you define "Gentleman" in Texas?

A: A man who removes the dishes from the sink before he pees in it.

If it's any consolation, Denyse O'Leary's offensiveness crosses all boundaries. I'm sure there are indigenous tribes in the Amazon rain forest who have never logged on to the internet, but still feel offended by Granny Spice's very existence.

Speaking of the Patron Saint of Link Farmers... I'm, like totally, on Denyse O'Leary alert since her boy B16 has issued the New, Improved™ Seven Deadly Sins. I can't wait to read her thoughts on the matter...

Date: 2008/03/11 00:41:55, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 10 2008,23:42)
Submitted for the sake of my sanity, because I need a second opinion:

The new president of Minnesota Atheists writes in our latest newsletter:
   
Quote
Every time I speak at a Christian college, I become more convinced of several things:

1) The vast majority of these students, while dedicated Christians, are open to hearing and discussing other points of view in a thoughtful manner.

2) They respect our right to be atheists and to not be discriminated against or have religion forced on us.

3) They value the American ideals of separation and state and church and have a "live and let live" attitude that almost always extends to atheists and gays. (We must admit that there are some atheists who do not have a "live and let live" attitude toward religious people.)

4) They are as genuinely concerned about the welfare of the poor and our environment as any of the rest of us flaming liberals.

5) That the percentage of Christians who are good and decent is about the same as the percentage [of] atheists who are good and decent [well, duh]. There are bad apples in both groups, but they are by far the minority.

6) That the Minnesota Atheists [sic] attitude of non-ridiculing, positive, friendly neighborhood atheism works. We need to continue to tear down walls, rather than put up barriers. My attitude is that we have already won the intellectual war, now we just have to spread the good news [emphasis mine].

I submit this without comment - or without naming "those bad apples" - I just want to solicit your opinions. Believe me, I have an opinion on this.

Hmmm... I'm almost inclined to believe that there's a certain atheist in Minnesota with a reputation for being abrasive towards Christians.

re: Item #6 - I'm personally aware that there are Christians who are receptive to friendly communication with atheists, but to claim that "we have already won the intellectual war" is delusional wishful thinking. It reminds me of AFDave's style of arguing a premise:

Step 1: Make your claim
Step 2: Claim victory
Step 3: Remain oblivious to other people's viewpoints
Step 4: Repeat steps 1, 2 & 3

I blogged about atheist activism the other day, if anyone wants to know more about what I think...

Date: 2008/03/11 16:50:15, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 11 2008,09:10)
Thank you all. Everyone has basically said what I feared. I joined thinking that I had a lot in common with these folks and that I’d meet interesting people. Well, I could deal with people turning out to be ordinary, but not turning out to be propagandists talking about “bad apples” in the “atheist movement.” (*edit -Oops, I did include that part.*)

I just wanted to make sure that I wasn’t skewing this. If this has taught me anything, it’s taught me about what happens when people don’t solicit outside opinions. (Actually, Mister DNA, I liked your post and I’m not even the one who caused the controversy up here – although I am now, for sticking up for the person who caused the controversy. He’s now decided to quit.)

We live in the United States, where everything has to be a “movement.” :(

Maybe I'll do a part two on that post... I had intended to write a little bit on "fellowshipping" (poor word choice, I know) with other atheists, but the post got kinda long.

For the most part, atheists are smart, witty people. I like smart, witty people. If I feel a bond with other atheists, it's usually because they possess qualities other than their atheism that I like.

Instead of a "big tent" policy like ID, I see atheism as having a "many tents" atmosphere. My tent might temporarily share the same space with some other atheists, but the boundaries are usually set by factors other than atheism. For example, if I were to join a local atheist group, it would probably be for the purpose of achieving a certain goal - enacting or repealing some sort of legislation, perhaps. Once that goal was reached, I'd probably no longer feel any need to remain in the organization. I might have established relationships with other atheists I have met, but I would feel no obligation at all to remain a member of the group.

Does that make sense?

Date: 2008/03/12 01:59:43, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (CeilingCat @ Mar. 12 2008,00:57)
If anybody can shrink that "Reason is..." picture, please do so.



How's that? Too small? Still too big?

Date: 2008/03/13 14:27:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 13 2008,11:46)
Please forgive my absence, my father-in-law went to California last week, and when I went in for the funeral I got snowed in up a holler in Kentucky with intermittent dial-up from the iron age.  *double shudder*

It'll take a bit to thaw out and catch up on what all you heathren have been up to while I work on my tan here on the upper seventy degree beach weather North Carolina coast.

Sorry to hear about your loss, Lou.

It's good to have you back, though.

Date: 2008/03/13 20:00:14, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (EyeNoU @ Mar. 13 2008,19:42)
I tried to post a comment at FtK's blog about Senator David Vitter getting a standing ovation from his republican colleagues after his prostitution scandal, but it didn't make to post. Do you guys think this may have something to do with his earmarking of funds for "teach the controversy"?

Seeing that FtK is all about open dialog and exploring all sides of an issue, I would think that there might be some sort of technical issue that prevents your comment from being displayed.

Since she lurks here, I'm sure that once she's informed of the problem she'll do everything in her power to get your comment through the series of tubes we call Teh Internet.

Date: 2008/03/13 21:44:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Thanks for that Blast From The Past, carlsonjok. IMO, ari-freedom won that thread:
Quote
I do not think it is wise to blame Dawkins for some crazy kook. On the other hand, if there is a war between the United Atheist Alliance and the Allied Atheist Alliance and they murder the one wise one that questions them…yes I would hold Dawkins responsible for this state of affairs.


It would have been better if Leo Stotch had posted it, though.

Date: 2008/03/14 19:35:12, Link
Author: Mister DNA
(If this needs to be moved to the "Board Mechanics" thread, by all means, do so)

Are Larry F's posts now being deleted from the Panda's Thumb? I'm not complaining, mind you; it just looks like he's said some particularly stupid things, and I'd kinda like to see the Tard in its original, unadulterated form.

Date: 2008/03/14 20:23:34, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 14 2008,19:40)
Quote (Mister DNA @ Mar. 14 2008,20:35)
(If this needs to be moved to the "Board Mechanics" thread, by all means, do so)

Are Larry F's posts now being deleted from the Panda's Thumb? I'm not complaining, mind you; it just looks like he's said some particularly stupid things, and I'd kinda like to see the Tard in its original, unadulterated form.

Here's good, Mister DNA.

I don't have any data for you on that though.  I only work here in the alley.

It's customary to move them here to the Wall, but I suppose it's possible that he's just gotten so incessant (and remember, he's one of the few people actually banned) that they've taken to vaporizing his comments.

You'd have to ask the thread owner, I'd guess.

Thanks, Lou.

I don't have much inclination to investigate the subject further; in fact, part of me hopes that he's been forever banned. AFAIC, The Bathroom Wall is one of the few places on the web where it's appropriate to bring up Larry's name.

The reason I was curious about his comments is because it looks like he was claiming that because he's never heard of Beatles impersonators, there's no such thing as Beatles impersonators. It's an interesting insight into the mind of an anti-evolutionist and holocaust denier.

Date: 2008/03/16 20:58:11, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (keiths @ Mar. 16 2008,20:03)
Quote
UPDATE: It looks like will not be building that sport aircraft after all. Because I have chosen to pursue Creation Research, I have little money for flying anymore. In the future I will have an easy way for those who wish to donate money to the Molecular History Research Center. Not so I can fly, but that I can continue on with my research.

I guess God is willing to banish the evil angels that cause a fear of flying, but not the ones that keep money from flowing into creationist bank accounts.

Bummer.

In light of certain events in 2001, a religious nut boasting about building an airplane probably evokes some suspicious glances and phone calls to shady government agencies.

Date: 2008/03/17 01:05:22, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 16 2008,23:06)
This one was mentioned on the UD thread the other day, but it's SO GOOD it deserves to be honored even more:

By legendary UD tard Jerry:

 
Quote
There are thousands of ID studies done every year. They are in the mainstream biology and evolution journals. They are just not identified as such.

Read DaveScot’s comment just above. Any research study that compares genomes of animals qualifies as an ID study despite the intentions of the researchers. ID predicts that genomes of species in the same family or genera will not have any meaningful differences that can be attributed to gradualism. This proposition is confirmed over and over again.

That quote is too funny. In addition to the "real scientists be damned" attitude, while Jerry is implying that intent means squat, Granny Spice is at her new blog arguing that intent is of utmost importance.

Say it with me, friends:

Date: 2008/03/18 19:33:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 18 2008,13:38)
Splurged and bought me a copy of this puppy:



71 tracks. That should keep me busy for a while. Some of the really early tracks are amazingly distorted even by James' standards.

TWO versions of the totally insane "Hawaiian Boogie", and THREE takes of "Elmo's Shuffle"!

As Zappa aptly said, "Elmore kept playing the same lick over and over, but I get the feeling he meant it".

That looks like a sweet set. I've got the 2-Disc King of the Slide Guitar set, which I received for my birthday ages ago. Great stuff.

The Zappa quote reminds me of a comic strip I once saw in Guitar Player magazine. Two guys were watching a punk band play, and one guy says, "Man, these guys suck! The guitar player is playing the same chord over and over!". The other concert-goer replies, "Hey, you know how Clapton and all those other guys were always looking for the Perfect Chord? This dude found it!"

Date: 2008/03/18 21:06:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 18 2008,20:06)
Quote
That looks like a sweet set. I've got the 2-Disc King of the Slide Guitar set, which I received for my birthday ages ago. Great stuff.


Indeed, some of his best cuts are on that, like Shake Your Moneymaker and his demented version of Rollin and Tumblin. Those are from the second half of his career, which is much better documented on CD for some reason. The set I bought nails his first several years. But James was extremely consistent, so it's all good.

I've owned most of his stuff on LP since the early 80's, including some of the really crude late-60's Kent LP's that came without an inner sleeve. But I'm slowly shifting to CD. Oddly I once found a vintage mint 45 of It Hurts Me Too in a junk store in San Francisco, and it sounds better and fuller than any LP *or* CD.  ???

Damn, that brings back some great memories. When I lived in S.F., every payday meant a trip to Tower Records or taking the BART out to Down Home Records in El Cerrito.

It was in the late 80s that MCA acquired the Chess catalog, and they started putting out not only box sets, but reissuing all those old "Real Folk Blues" albums from the 60s.

That was my introduction to Elmore James; I picked up the "Whose Muddy Shoes" album: 9 Elmore James Chess sides and 6 John Brim Chess sides, including the original version of "Ice Cream Man". I had been listening to a lot of George Thorogood's old (pre-Bad to the Bone) albums, so Elmore James was a revelation.

btw, the King of the Slide Guitar box has James' version of "Person to Person" - Screamin' Jay Hawkins does a great version, too.

Date: 2008/03/18 22:24:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
It looks like we probably ran in the same circles. I lived in Redondo Beach '85-'87 and San Francisco '87-'89.

I never made it to Rhino records, but I used to go to Bleeker Bob's on Melrose when I was in LA proper, and there were two great used record stores with a few blocks of the bungalow in Redondo.

The clerks at the Record Bag would call me either "Zakary Thaks" or "Omar" (after Omar & the Howlers) because I'm from Corpus Christi.

San Francisco was a great town for collecting vinyl. I had a friend whose collection of George Jones albums outnumbered the records in my entire collection. On weekends we'd drive out to these thrift stores in Sonoma, Napa and Solano counties, digging up old Buck Owens albums. Back then, none of Buck's stuff was in print, so we could pick up a used Buck Owens album for 5 bucks in Calistoga and trade it for 20 bucks worth of vinyl in SF. Man, those were some good times.

btw, did you ever see any shows at the Anti Club on Melrose? My neighbor was in two bands (Joe Band and Piano Moscow) that played there frequently.

Date: 2008/03/18 23:09:53, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 18 2008,22:38)
Quote
btw, did you ever see any shows at the Anti Club on Melrose? My neighbor was in two bands (Joe Band and Piano Moscow) that played there frequently.


My LA time was so long ago I no longer remember the names of the clubs anymore. I remember the names of some of the bands, tho -- I saw the Three O'Clock, the Mentors, the Dickies, probably a few others. I didn't see anywhere near as many LA punk bands as my friends, tho, since I always thought most of the LA bands were kinda boring. Up in SF I used to go to the Warfield mainly, where I saw Devo in my junior year in high school, circa 1979. I may have seen them twice.  

Never made it to Bleeker Bob's -- I was carless at UCLA, so I hardly ever strayed from the West Side.

Pay no mind to Erasmus. He's just trying to go all Youth Pastor on us so he can start talking about Don Reno.

I would have loved to have seen the mid-80s lineup of the Mentors. My neighbor and I got turned on to them when we went into a record store in Hermosa Beach. The clerk put their live album on the turntable, and in a matter of seconds, everyone else in the store vanished. We left too, but not before we purchased the two Mentors albums they had in stock.

Other than seeing my neighbor's band, the only major show I saw in LA was Black Flag, Gone and Painted Willie at Safari Sam's. It was a pretty suckass Black Flag lineup - Greg Ginn's instrumental band, Gone, kicked ass, though.

I would have loved to have seen Devo in '79. Lucky dog.

Date: 2008/03/19 17:52:59, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Are the peasants finally fed up with Granny Spice?

I know it's difficult to decipher DO'L's scribblings at times, but it looks to me like she's saying the Baby Jesus Disembodied Telic Entity didn't have a part in designing wild horses, but if he did, it took humans to improve on the design, ergo ID is true.

Interesting comments thus far.

Date: 2008/03/19 19:26:42, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Mar. 19 2008,19:03)
Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 19 2008,18:44)
I'm not sure.  I don't know what's normal practice at pre-release screenings, but I suspect some sort of non-disclosure agreement may be standard.  The sort of police-state shenanigans described by Nomad sound well beyond the pale, although I'm willing to be proved wrong if anyone knows more about the industry.

Well, I worked at a movie theater for my entire teenage years (ran it myself for a year--small town).  I got to watch 'Lord of the Rings'/'Phantom Menace'/etc weeks before everyone else.  No non-disclosure agreements.

I dont think EXPELLED>>Lord of the Rings.

EXPELLED>>Phantom Menace is possible...

The heightened precautions reek of an old-school marketing ploy, like those old Z-Grade horror movies that would include warnings that heart patients and pregnant women shouldn't watch the movie.

To listen to people like FtK and other UD commenters, Expelled is supposed to be the final nail (in a long line of final nails) in Evolution's coffin. Expelled's target audience is likely to be more convinced by night vision goggle-wearing guards than by... oh, stuff like actual evidence.

Date: 2008/03/20 20:39:51, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 20 2008,20:09)
PZ Myers expelled from line to see "Expelled"

They let PZ's family and guest in to see it, though.

Go read PZ's blog post now for the name of the guest.

Oh man, that's just beautiful.

Date: 2008/03/20 23:48:17, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I'm surprised no one's brought up FtK's latest post:
Quote
I simply can't figure out whether they are a.) clueless or b.) deceptive beyond belief.


No, she's not referring to Casey Luskin, William Dembski and/or Salvador Cordova.

Date: 2008/03/21 02:49:44, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Jason Spaceman @ Mar. 21 2008,01:05)
Dawkins Crashes 'Expelled' Party

Quote
Mark Moring

Noted Darwinist shows up uninvited at private screening of Intelligent Design documentary.

Expelled, a new documentary that argues the case for Intelligent Design from a Judeo-Christian perspective, has been in the headlines lately, prior to its April 18 theatrical release.

The film, hosted and narrated by Ben Stein, has been screened to invitation-only audiences at churches and for various Christian groups. But several critics have worked their way in to some of the screenings, most notably Roger Moore of The Orlando Sentinel, who recently trashed the movie in his blog.

A critic of another kind "crashed" a screening in Minnesota on Thursday night--Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion and arguably the most outspoken critic of Intelligent Design and Creationism. Dawkins himself appears in the documentary--but claims he was duped into believing it was going to be an objective account of Darwinism vs. ID.

Jeffrey Overstreet, a film critic for CT Movies, broke the news on his own blog Thursday night after receiving an e-mail from a college student who was at the screening.

Stuart Blessman, the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities student, told Overstreet in the e-mail that Dawkins' appearance "was quite a surprise" to both the audience and associate producer Mark Mathis, who fielded questions afterward.

Blessman reported that Dawkins asked several questions, and complained that "any statement he made in the film was in fact under the assumption that he was being interviewed . . . for a film that was to take an even-handed look at the Intelligent Design/Evolution controversy."

Too bad the comments are moderated at CT's blog. It looks like Mark Moring is going to wake up tomorrow and find a buttload of comments with links to Pharyngula.

Date: 2008/03/21 20:09:08, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (ERV @ Mar. 21 2008,20:01)
DI finally responds.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008....fa.html

No unexpected TARD.

I was just reading that at Bruce Chapman's "blog" (which doesn't allow comments).

I like how following the same procedures as everyone else means that Dawkins "stoops to gate-crashing".

What color is the sky in these people's world?

Date: 2008/03/22 15:58:40, Link
Author: Mister DNA


Happy Birthday Kristine!

Date: 2008/03/23 08:18:21, Link
Author: Mister DNA
I like how FtK  squeals at the possibility of DI Fellows debating PZ and other DARWINSTS at Expelled screenings:
Quote
Oh, Dear God, please let this come to fruition, and let there be plenty of press and cameras surrounding the scene. Amen.


After all, the last debate was such a success for her side.

Date: 2008/03/23 18:50:01, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (dnmlthr @ Mar. 23 2008,18:24)
http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....us-more

O'Leary has managed to squeeze in no less than 4 links to her ever growing link farm today.

She writes:
 
Quote
One blogger found himself expelled for even writing about the Expelled film.

In this context being "expelled" apparently means "receiving e-mail and comments". The malicious atheist conspiracy is really getting desperate!

That's some primo Canadian Tard.

I love this bit:
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Incidentally, last summer, I (Denyse) was at a meeting where four scientists whose careers had been shipwrecked by frantic, persecutory Darwinists spoke about what had happened to them.

An elderly scientist got up and said that it almost provoked him to thoughts of violence, to think that these fine people should be so burdened by troubles and struggles because the evidence from their work did not support Darwin.


Gee, why wasn't JA Davison included in Expelled?

Date: 2008/03/23 20:00:46, Link
Author: Mister DNA
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An unbelievable amount of harsh criticism of Behe, Dembski and Seelke is going on right now with no real challenge at UD:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelle....omments

If I knew how to archive it I would; it can't last too much longer. Check out the last dozen or so posts.

I've got it archived up to 100 comments.

Phinehas:
 
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Of course it was deliberately omitted. It was irrelevant to the premise of the movie.


Leo Stotch:
 
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Not to speak for Allen, who seems quite capable of doing so for himself, but I think the word you are looking for is inconvenient


It only gets better from there...

Date: 2008/03/23 20:32:04, Link
Author: Mister DNA
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Mar. 23 2008,20:23)
Hey, guys, check it out:

 
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Antievolution.org Discussion Board has a total of 100000 posts (94784 replies to 5216 Topics)


Yay! The odometer clicked over!

Dunno who it was -- Jack Krebs, I think.

Here's a screen cap of the historic occasion.

What does JKrebs win? Two tickets to Expelled? Does the runner-up get four tickets?

 

 

 

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