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Date: 2007/04/18 06:21:51, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
I can't vote as it won't let me state I have degrees in science and humanities

Michael

Date: 2008/08/24 16:33:45, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Aug. 18 2008,08:38)
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Is "All Souls" a denomination that explicitly adopts biblical literalism


All Souls is a well attended evangelical Anglican church in London Wesley. In my opinion it's the sort of church that should be paricipating in this .It's been prone to YECism  though:

http://www.allsouls.org/ascm....EE70B99

But from what I can gather, there's been some opposition to it.

Several obscure churches that have a few dozen members are not going to break any delf with a majority of evangelicals I'm afraid.

The problem with All Souls is that its previous Paul Blackham was totally YEC and led his vicar Bewes up the garden path.

Several years ago there was fricition over YEC with John Stott involved - he's ended up sitting on the fence.

More and more Anglicans especially clergy are becoming YEC - I guess 5-10% of clergy.

Michael

(author Evangelicasl and Science - Greenwood Press 2008

Date: 2009/01/01 09:56:53, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Dec. 31 2008,19:24)
and another one from Phil:

 
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Lucy was a skull that was more imagination than bone; no reasonable deduction could be made about whether it was more ape or human. It was held by some to be human.
The peppered moth story was based on photos of dead moths that were glued to the tree, the deception was that they were portrayed as living moths. This was published in encyclopedia Britannica.


I think the person posting these is a maths teacher. Unbelievable.  :O

Peter

Your mickeytake of British evangelicals is quite unbecoming.

They all went ape when I put up a thread about the discovery of P Garner's name on the BNP membership list (To all Americans the BNP British National Party is ultra-right wing racist)

The wonderful Derek Burke even complained to my bishop about it.

Perhaps an American could post on Premier inquiring about Garner's membership of the BNP.

Michael

Date: 2009/01/08 03:57:18, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 07 2009,18:22)
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 07 2009,15:04)
i can't seem to find the original Nature article. However, there are lots of YEC claims on the research. Has Paul Davies been quotemined or has he put his foot in it and handed the cretins a gift ?

I read the Nature article a year or so ago when Slimy Sal Cordova was flogging it.  The maximum change that Davies is talking about is billions of times too small to support YEC claims.

Yes, but it is good for sermons.

Date: 2009/01/10 14:39:04, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
More from Premier Radio by Zechariah aka Andrew Sibley of Creation Science Movement

Rubbish - Wacky ideas ? Having spent a lot of time reading the history of geology from Steno to Lyell and beyond I can assure you that there was a strong commitment to paganism amongst those who opposed the flood geology of Steno. The Jesuit Athanasius Kirtcher and Royal Society member Joseph Lister both argued against Steno's demonstration of the organic origin of fossils in favour of a Platonic plastic theory of fossil formation - even Voltaire prefered the science of Kirtcher to that of Steno.
French and Scottish enlightenment figures wanted millions of years of change long before there was any claim for scientific evidence of long ages. The reason was that enlightenment figures such as David Hume, Erasmus Darwin, James Hutton and Benjamin Franklin were deeply interested in paganism with its belief in millions of years - if you care to read their writing.

What cobblers!!

Date: 2009/01/11 13:07:12, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 11 2009,13:01)
Quote (MIchael Roberts @ Jan. 10 2009,14:39)
More from Premier Radio by Zechariah aka Andrew Sibley of Creation Science Movement

Rubbish - Wacky ideas ? Having spent a lot of time reading the history of geology from Steno to Lyell and beyond I can assure you that there was a strong commitment to paganism amongst those who opposed the flood geology of Steno. The Jesuit Athanasius Kirtcher and Royal Society member Joseph Lister both argued against Steno's demonstration of the organic origin of fossils in favour of a Platonic plastic theory of fossil formation - even Voltaire prefered the science of Kirtcher to that of Steno.
French and Scottish enlightenment figures wanted millions of years of change long before there was any claim for scientific evidence of long ages. The reason was that enlightenment figures such as David Hume, Erasmus Darwin, James Hutton and Benjamin Franklin were deeply interested in paganism with its belief in millions of years - if you care to read their writing.

What cobblers!!

Well, I see zecheriah has buggered off from the forum (all his posts have disappeared completely).

He must read a lot of Grady McMurtry as he (McMurtry)comes off with similar claims about the orgins of "millions of years" (as if the antiquity of the Earth/Universe was merely philosophy and not established scientific fact)

Some of his (Sibley's) comments on the radiometric dating of meteorites being used to determine the age of the Universe did display a certain level of ignorance from someone supposedly so well educated (isn't he a qualified meteorologist ?). Those alone deserve to be in the Top Tard quotes on this forum

As a historian of geology I would love to know where these ideas come from. No historian of geology would say them.

Date: 2009/01/12 04:19:28, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 11 2009,13:18)
There are some rather disturbed people on the PR site. Nothing compared to the RaptureReady crowd. There is an entire site dedicated to insane end of the world fanatics. Andrew and some of the others would fit right in with that crowd.

Premier Radio is considered quite a good Christian broadcaster.

I will leave you to decide.

Date: 2009/01/12 06:16:31, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 12 2009,05:22)
Quote (MIchael Roberts @ Jan. 12 2009,04:19)
     
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 11 2009,13:18)
There are some rather disturbed people on the PR site. Nothing compared to the RaptureReady crowd. There is an entire site dedicated to insane end of the world fanatics. Andrew and some of the others would fit right in with that crowd.

Premier Radio is considered quite a good Christian broadcaster.

I will leave you to decide.

I e-mailed UCB (a very similar type of station) a while ago Michael and was answered by a Peter Boyd from their Belfast office. Now, while he did say they allowed for diffierent views (something some of the cretins on Premier's forum do not) he did pioint me to the "helium in zircons" claim on the ICR website as proof of a young Earth. UCB have put out some of the Christians in science material (I've seen Sam Berry presenting programmes on the station) along with some YEC videos as well (Life's story for example, Philip Bell, Paul Garner, and Vij Sodera). At least they do allow some debate on the issue. I would imagine Premier Radio are very much the same. The very fact that they've had you as a guest on some of their programmes does show that in principle, they do allow for different views, rather like UCB.

This is in contrast to broadcasters like Howard Condor's Revelation/Genesis TV which put out several hours of YEC material daily (sometimes much more than this) and to my knowledge have never, ever, had a guest on that is either OEC, a gap theorist, or a TE. Mind you, I have noticed Premier Radio now broadcast this:

http://www.letthebiblespeak.org.uk/

This originates from Ballymoney free Presbyterian church, as far as I can tell, a hotbed of YECism in NI. It's Mervyn Storey's home congregation. Storey is a YEC MLA who is attempting to get YECism presented at the Giant's Causeway as well in museums and schools. Paul Taylor (AiG UK) had a conference in the church recently.

As for the Rapture Ready crowd Gary, I take it you've seen this one on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmLhyPjHVes

I assume it was them who put that one out ????

I think a lot of evangelical Christians don't realise that Dispensationalism was in fact considered heresy really up until quite recently. Well, until John Nelson Darby's ideas became the norm. Surprisingly, Darby was actually an Anglican (something I hadn't realised until quite recently)

Yeah but Derby left us Anglicans to go his own sweet way

Date: 2009/01/12 11:02:42, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 12 2009,08:33)
Indeed Michael. I wonder if the Brethren are more extreme than Darby ?

I see the adminstrators have now posted a code of conduct. Interesting. I reckon some of ploughboy's comments towards myself certainly fall into this catagory:

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is derogatory, demeaning, malicious, defamatory, abusive, offensive or hateful

But not mine on Garner and the BNP!!

Date: 2009/01/15 03:20:27, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
One for Peter

Latest addtion to Premier Forum describes himself and spiritual influences as

My dad, the present Baptist pastor of my church in Exeter, Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, Institute for Creation Research, Henry Morris and all the research scientists like Russ Humfreys, John Baumgardner, Steve Austin, Larry Vardiman, Andrew Snelling, Georgia Purdom

Date: 2009/01/16 01:14:30, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Peter Henderson @ Jan. 15 2009,18:12)
Quote (Richard Simons @ Jan. 15 2009,12:59)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 15 2009,10:17)
The creato BS regarding pi is that the ratio was not pi, but the "calculated" ratio of the inner and outer diameters of the "bowl." Thus, the ratio is purely descriptive and yields (IIRC) a metal thickness of ~4 inches.

This means that the circumference was measured inside the bowl and the diameter was measured over the total width. It is very hard to measure the interior circumference of something. My own idea is that the container was more spherical, with a narrower opening than the maximum diameter.

I wonder if the cretins would accept that one Richard ? I very much doubt it .  :(

Peter

They have got so moronic recently I cant reply.

Still I have been busy as I am writing up a 4 day trail in Snowdonia for a walking magazine on Darwin's long geolgical walk in 1831. He got home to open a letter which said "Beagle"

(If any are going to Britan this year and want details of the route Darwin did in 1831 I can e-mail an article I wrote for a history of science journal)

Also I am cahir of Governors of a school and they have had school inspectors in this week.

So I asked the teacher the difference between plastic surgeons and school inspectors.

As they dint know I told them that palstic surgeons tuck up features :D

Date: 2009/01/17 02:11:15, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Jan. 16 2009,14:39)
Behe has kicked Miller's ass

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/01/behes_take_miller_vs_luskin.html

Miller will never recognize his own failure, since he's too proud (dogmatic).

Nils

If you knew just a little science you would have realised that Behe was sorted out by Miller 10 years ago. To claim this is nonsense .

I read Behe in 1996 and soon realised it was bs especially over bloodclotting . It was nice to read Miller later!!

Gary's comment is apt.

Date: 2009/01/18 14:44:38, Link
Author: MIchael Roberts
More wacko stuff from Premeir Forum (It should hearten Americans to see that Brits are as stupid)

Posted by Jie-Xuan on 18 January 2009 at 6:34pm in Premier Christian Radio

Just wanted to post something which I has been in discussion since Darwinism flooded our lives. The root of the discussion has just a simple deductum(I wonder if this is latin for deduction).

Here is my most recent thought:

The difference between Creation and Evolution is not really very much.

The only difference between Creation and Evolution is like the difference between atheism and theism.

The similarity between us is that while we both agree that man has a common ancestor and that life as we know must have had a source.

The real difference between Creationism and Evolution is that Creationists believe God created everything from NOTHING, but evolution says nothing created everything from NOTHING. Who needs more substantiating fact(evidence)?

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which ever works for you
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The similarity between us is that that we both agree that life came from nothing. While we believe that everything was created from nothing by God, you believe everything came from nothing by nothing. Who needs more faith?

 

 

 

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