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Date: 2009/09/17 13:16:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Brilliant - fodder for the usual gang of YouTube debunkers!

Date: 2009/09/17 13:43:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Surprise: I left a comment on the video expressing my concern that - given the creationists' record of misquoting Darwin - we might not be handed an accurate copy, and the comment was deleted within minutes.

Date: 2009/10/03 12:04:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 03 2009,06:27)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 03 2009,03:35)
I may get some time this weekend to do some more work on my draft manuscript in response to the Dembski and Marks paper. We have an offer in on a house, the media seems to have lost interest in the alligator bite story, and no new crisis has announced itself.

On the other hand, we might just go to the beach today, too.

Watch out for the wildlife!  The beach beats beating D&M any day - even Cromer beach on the winter Solstice.

My taxi comes to collect me to take me to a new life in Germany in about 40 minutes, and I've packed everything except the laptop, the cat, the model and the wifi router.  As I'm waiting, I might as well catch up with the latest, and also have my final beer as a resident in Finland.



There are things I'll miss about Finland, but the beer is not one of them.  Complaining about it might be, though.

Welcome!



http://www.augustiner-braeu.de/augustiners/html/en/Sortiment.html

:)

Date: 2009/10/16 05:03:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Some persons need explanations with lots of pictures. Maybe scienthuse is one of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fs0KHlm7aw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gztPlTR-ATM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RV7y0HmBezM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIjhHmsBkeE

Date: 2009/10/16 07:47:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Oct. 16 2009,03:00)
Dembski is such a whiny child
 
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It’s one reason that, last I checked, survivalist James Wesley Rawles’ HOW TO SURVIVE THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT: TACTICS, TECHNIQUES AND TECHNOLOGIES FOR UNCERTAIN TIMES was doing better on Amazon.com than Richard Dawkins’ THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH: THE EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION (other reasons no doubt include that Dawkins’ book is sheer dreck from the standpoint of current evolutionary theory — see here).

Wah Wah Wah - a book that's "sheer dreck" is outselling every single book I ever wrong 1000:1. Wah wah wah. At least this other book is selling better....
 
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So why am I relating this story here at UD? In fact, it is relevant to intelligent design (ID). In the past, American Constitutional safeguards on free speech seemed to me sufficient to allow ID to win the day provided it could prove its case. Of that I’m no longer so sure (not that it can’t prove its case, but of the Constitutional safeguards). Over two years ago, I reported here at UD about the European Council’s denunciation of ID as an assault on human rights. It’s not hard to imagine that ID, because it may be construed as implying that humans were intended to operate within certain constraints, might be seen as challenging certain lifestyles and thus as constituting a “hate crime.” Note that I’m not saying that this is in fact an implication of ID (indeed, my own interest is primarily in developing ID as a scientific research program). My point rather is that critics intent on shutting ID down may do so by challenging its right to fall under free speech. And if Constitutional safeguards stand in the way of this challenge, it may be possible to leapfrog the U.S. Constitution and have courts outside the U.S. attempt to shut the discussion down.
Ironic really that Dumbski talks about leapfrogging the U.S. Constitution when he wants ID to leapfrog over the laboratory into the classroom.
Tard

Of course, the European Council does not restrict free speech. However, it urges its members to keep ID out of school.

http://assembly.coe.int/Main.as....580.htm

Date: 2009/10/16 10:04:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 16 2009,08:38)
The "European Council" is not the Council of Europe, which is the author of the cited document. The CoE is an institution under the European Convention on Human Rights.


The European Council is the executive branch of the EU, as foretold in Scripture.

(To quote the Daily Mail: "First they came for the curvy bananas, then for the pint glasses, and finally for your soul")

Well done!

Date: 2009/10/19 17:01:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (khan @ Oct. 19 2009,15:18)
Quote (RDK @ Oct. 19 2009,15:59)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 19 2009,11:39)

 
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You can download Dembski's draft for "The search for the search" here.

He describes it as      
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forthcoming pro-ID peer-reviewed article in the math/eng literature (name of journal will be announced when the article appears in print).


Does anybody find it laughable that the good Dr^dr keeps coming up with these ridiculously obfuscated math papers to refute a biological concept?  Dembski has got to be the densest person to ever attempt a peer-reviewed paper in the history of peer-review.

Get a fucking clue, man.

Yes.
It's weird to try to mathematically 'prove' that something (that actually occurred) couldn't have occurred.

It's compulsive. Whenever a biological concept comes his way he has to grab and wave his slide rule at it.

Date: 2009/10/20 06:45:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 20 2009,02:07)
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That says that God caused life to exist.

Which makes God the required explanation for the origin of life, which constitutes "the beginnings of biological evolution" (William Schopf).  
Which then re-affrims a huge Incompatibility with evolution, because it clearly "no longer requires God as creator or designer." (Ernst Mayr).
       
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Post-Darwinian evolutionary theory, which can explain the emergence of the first bacteria, doesn't even leave much room for a deist God whose minimal role might have been to flick the first switch.

---Slate editor Jacob Weisberg, 8-10-2005

       
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Evolution is God's redundancy notice, his pink slip.

---Richard Dawkins, Wall Street Journal, Sept. 10, 2009.

Mr Lee, using quotes to prove your point was a method used by medieval clerics. It has become outdated when modern science took over. The catchword is "evidence".

Please answer Erasmus' question, and use your brain instead of quotes. Your own bibles want you to do so:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage....ion=NIV

Date: 2009/10/22 11:27:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 21 2009,21:04)
Biblical perspective on biology:

(snip)

Can what an animal is looking at while mating affect the traits of the offspring?

(snip)

Henry

I always found that bit extremely puzzling. Ancient Hebrews must have been breeding goats at least for centuries. Wouldn't they laugh at a prophet making that ridiculous claim?

Date: 2009/10/23 07:21:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ms O'Leary must have blown a fuse:

In her opening post at UD "Cambrian Explosion Film to Be Shown After all"
http://www.uncommondescent.com/cambria....omments

she links to her blog

http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2008....ve.html

As if to prove that modernization and secularization are not the same thing, as sociologist Peter Berger maintains, long-deceased cultural icons are "appearing" again. Darwin's face has been discovered in a tree and Turkish secularist Kemal Ataturk's face in a hillside shadow in a remote Turkish village. All the more interesting because Darwin is the icon of North American atheists and Atatürk was a devout secularist.

Date: 2009/10/23 07:22:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Forgot the quotation marks - sorry.

Date: 2009/10/23 12:50:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (FloydLee @ Oct. 23 2009,12:21)
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If you put Evolution in that spot, then ANY SCIENCE will go in that spot.

(snip)
Is it because the practitioners of "any science" have published the clear-cut Incompatibility Statements that have been given by professional evolutionist scientists?
(snip)

Mr Lee,

when this thread started I wanted to give you a chance to prove that - though mistaken and/or uninformed regarding science - you were sincere about your wish to honestly debate opposing views. I even silently disapproved of some of the harsher words used by members of this forum.

I am deeply disappointed by your behaviour.

The most easily verifiable evidence of your dishonesty is your stubborn use of opinions of individuals as proof of the contents of ToE and the scientific method. You have been explained time and again that this is a fallacy, and you must be aware of that by now.

Yet here you go again.

You could never have convinced me of the special flavour of your Christianity. But you even failed to convince me of your honesty.

Date: 2009/10/24 05:43:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 13 2009,09:51)
Vegetarian spider found in Costa Rica. This must be a spider species that is unchanged since before the Fall!

The latest issue of Creation magazine ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOp_z5zPaq0

Date: 2009/10/24 07:16:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Mr Lee,

in the beginning, I only silently disapproved of some harsh words because as a guest ("lurker") I did not wish to criticize the hosts. Later on, I realized that the abuses were deserved.
I might even add abuse myself: You behave like a rooster prancing about and claiming to be king of the chicken run when you are the only chicken around.


Date: 2009/10/27 14:31:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I would not want to be invited to dinner by a literalist if he prepares bread according to the bible:

"And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight."

Ezekiel 4:12 (King James Version)

Date: 2009/11/05 05:45:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Science Triumphant:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-338693


"(snip) ... but why wouldn’t astrology be a scientific theory? I’m not saying it’s a good one by any means. I just mean, it’s a theory about the way the universe works. ... (snip)"

Date: 2009/11/06 07:11:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Usually, I am an extremely mildmannered person. But could I please run amuck against Ms O'Leary?
Quote
One claim I have begun to hear now is that “evolution” (almost always defined by Darwinists as fronting their atheist creation story) helps medicine. That is obviously fraudulent. Doctors don’t care whether Pleistocene man had arthritis. Pleistocene man isn’t griping about his aches and pains in the doc’s office.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....omments

Date: 2009/11/06 09:58:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
By her logic, why should anyone care to discuss ancient myths that have no observable effect on the real world, just what the crazy adherents actually physically do in the name of these superstitions?


Easy: Supposedly we need the myths to base our morals on. This argument crops up approximately twice a week over there.

Date: 2009/11/06 10:20:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 06 2009,08:23)
(snip)

Then and only then do you exit with a Flounce claiming to do more research, be back soon, going on vacation, just took up a new hobby or, hopefully, something more creative and don't neglect to insult everybody for being mean, vindictive, patronizing, crude, rude and sinful, and let us know you'll pray for us.

(snip)

and let us know you'll pray for us even though we shall burn in hell.

Fixed that for you.

Date: 2009/11/07 10:11:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Nov. 07 2009,09:06)
Nakashima goes for a Poe Award
 
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If you start teaching about physics, chemistry and the “founder effect” in biology, what is going to happen? That’s right, gun-toting polygamous sects set up in remote parts of the countryside! That, my friend, is not cost-free to the state.

Here are 20 Euro, earmarked for "Doctors Without Borders", that say Nakashima will be banninated by the end of the month.

He is losing his temper at an amazing rate.

Date: 2009/11/07 13:42:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Nov. 07 2009,13:23)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 07 2009,11:11)
 
Quote (dvunkannon @ Nov. 07 2009,09:06)
Nakashima goes for a Poe Award
     
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If you start teaching about physics, chemistry and the “founder effect” in biology, what is going to happen? That’s right, gun-toting polygamous sects set up in remote parts of the countryside! That, my friend, is not cost-free to the state.

Here are 20 Euro, earmarked for "Doctors Without Borders", that say Nakashima will be banninated by the end of the month.

He is losing his temper at an amazing rate.


I hate to take the money of an innocent girl, but it is for a good cause... now don't go provoking him unecessarily...

BTW, Nakashima and God's iPod are among the few UD commenters to have been revived from bannnination.

BTBTW, is anyone in Brussels that wants to meet on Monday afternoon? Anyone? Bueller?

Nakashima has been banned before?

Usually, he is ever so polite. That's why I was so astonished by his recent somewhat sharp or strange comments. I guessed he had run out of patience and was going to blow his stack anytime soon.

Date: 2009/11/08 08:15:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
BTW, this tree is older than creatonists would allow:

http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_re....ng_tree

Date: 2009/11/08 09:01:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
They can't make up their minds, just as long as it might help to refute evilutionists:

Mung:

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... And since ID is not anti- common descent, ...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-338983

Our very own Joseph:

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Did someone say there was evidence for Common Descent? ...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-339003

Date: 2009/11/08 14:38:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (RDK @ Nov. 08 2009,13:24)
Quote (someotherguy @ Nov. 08 2009,13:06)
 
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I know he has a PhD in mathematics but he failed to understand the implications of Behe’s Edge of Evolution and on his blog mocked him because of his short sidedness.

On behalf of all small polygons, I object to this slur.

It's a deep-seeded short sidedness, too.

It's a doggy-dog world, for all intensive purposes.

Jerry is a bowl in a china shop.

Jerry deserves a pullet surprise, but this is a mute point.

Indeed, for it seems Jerry could care less about what you have to say.

That's because he's a naval gazer.

I thought he won the Noble Prize for naval grazing.

It's time for him to shit and get off the pot.

BA77 warms the coggles of my heart. Yours?

RB, I think you need to curve your enthusiasm for these eggcorns.

They say the pun is mightier than the sword.

I have nothing but the up-most respect for BA^77, irregardless of his rather lengthy posts.

Is this what you folks call a nested hierarchy?

Date: 2009/11/09 06:16:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98


That's how we started - no calculators allowed during the first year. Now stand in awe, all you nerds!.

Date: 2009/11/09 10:57:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
This might make a nice Christmas present:

The Fossil Hunter
Dinosaurs, Evolution, and the Woman Whose Discoveries Changed the World
by Shelley Emling, Palgrave Macmillan 2009
ISBN 978-0-230-61156-6

A biography of Mary Anning whose discoveries around the British coastal town of Lyme Regis helped establish paleontology among sciences.

The book describes Anning's life set in the context of Georgian society and the limits she experienced due to class, religious prejudice and gender.

Written in a lively and easy to read style (with the occasional snark against creationism), it is a good read for interested laypersons. I guess it could appeal to kids from the age of 12 upwards, too.

It comes with period drawings of fossils she discovered (Plesiosaurus and Pterodactylus).

Date: 2009/11/10 08:53:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Khan, this will be you Waterloo: ;-)

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-339202

Quote
Don’t you understand that to refute ID all you have to do is to actually go out and substantiate YOUR claims?

If you have the scientific data that demonstrates that feathers can “evolve” in a population that never had them then present it.


Joseph has finally won!!!111!!!

Date: 2009/11/10 11:02:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98


http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....respond

Date: 2009/11/10 13:42:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (FrankH @ Nov. 10 2009,12:51)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 10 2009,11:02)


http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....respond

Now I know where Matt and Trey got the model for Mr. Garrison.

Date: 2009/11/10 15:45:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JLT @ Nov. 10 2009,15:05)
I strongly believe that there's a LOLcat out there that adequately depicts how I feel about this explanation but in the moment I'm unfortunately unable to find it..

That's how I felt:

Date: 2009/11/10 16:22:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
DiEb is under close scrutiny - this comment took two hours to show up:
 
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Dear Dr. Dembski,

when will your article “The search for a search” be widely known? I can’t find the draft anymore at R. Marks’s site. Has this something to do with the ongoing peer-review? Shouldn’t this be completed by now? Or do you share my concerns?


How long will DrDr resist his taunting ....

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-339217

Date: 2009/11/11 11:39:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/11/11 11:59:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
New contest!! After "The Weasel", this time no informatics required !!

Was Darwin religious?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....re-9274

Date: 2009/11/11 18:45:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (REC @ Nov. 11 2009,17:25)
Wow, Clive took the bait (and I'm unbanned??? WTF???)

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-339433

So Clive would eliminate Newton's Principia if it didn't agree with his moral views.....interesting admission.....

My reply:
Clive,

1) You willingly accept “views” as trumping truth. I wonder how you feel about the views of the inventors of al-jabr? Perhaps I better like Darwin’s view that “a scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections — a mere heart of stone.”
2) Newton was essentially a radical heretic. His anti-trinitarian and Rosicrucian mystic views would lose a lot of friends on this site. His fervor influenced him, and he mentions religion much more openly than Darwin.
3) Show me where in the Origin of Species Darwin espouses atheism.

Did you not post your answer at UD? It does not show.

Or are you *gasp* re-banned?

Date: 2009/11/13 12:09:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
tardagain77 has found his favourite quote:
Quote
Hopeful monsters,’ transposons, and the Metazoan radiation:
Excerpt: Viable mutations with major morphological or physiological effects are exceedingly rare and usually infertile; the chance of two identical rare mutant individuals arising in sufficient propinquity to produce offspring seems too small to consider as a significant evolutionary event. These problems of viable “hopeful monsters” render these explanations untenable.
Paleobiologists Douglas Erwin and James Valentine


http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-339564

Date: 2009/11/13 12:41:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (FrankH @ Nov. 13 2009,12:21)
Who is this guy, besides a wanna be plugger of the Dr. Dr.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Marks_II

Date: 2009/11/13 16:08:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 13 2009,14:51)
Kat - Nice work on the Crocoducks!

Thanks, J-Dog. After reading that quote, it was either a quick and dirty Photoshop job, or a long and dirty temper tantrum.

Date: 2009/11/13 16:14:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (deadman_932 @ Nov. 13 2009,16:03)
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 13 2009,14:51)
       
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 13 2009,12:41)
       
Quote (FrankH @ Nov. 13 2009,12:21)
Who is this guy, besides a wanna be plugger of the Dr. Dr.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Marks_II

Kat - Nice work on the Crocoducks!

Did you notice how quickly and easily Kattarina fit into this motley crew? It's eerie -- almost as if she'd actually been reading posts *before* throwing her hat in the ring.

AND she does nice Photoshop? There can be only one answer, you know : Satinic powers!! Demonz!

P.S. Keep up the good work and I smell a CBEB in the works for you, Kattarina. Wait, that's just me not having showered for a few weeks... Hmm. Anyway, it could happen.

Good thing you can't see me blushing.
Actually, I know next to nothing about science - my evil parents sent me to a so-called "humanistisches Gymnasium" which meant all languages and history and stuff and little science.
I enjoy reading all your posts and learn a lot. It will come in handy: In Germany, IDiots try to get a foot in the door, too.

Date: 2009/11/14 15:39:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Christmas dinner: Stuff them.
Big money: Sell them.
Kill them at night, nobody is watching and the geese are asleep.

Date: 2009/11/14 18:33:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Remember what we did to snitches like Frosty when we were kids?
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This is not the place to debate 911. I would appreciate the moderator blocking your future posts if you continue to bring up this fringe issue which is unrelated to ID.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal....-339796

Date: 2009/11/15 06:52:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98


(hypocrisy mode on)
"Leave him alone, he can't help it."
(hypocrisy mode off)

Date: 2009/11/15 10:20:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
hummus man rightly criticizes
 
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you make no provision for beneficial mutations.

But doesn't Cordova believe there are only deletorial ones?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-339882

Date: 2009/11/15 10:24:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
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P.S. Realtime study. Haven't seen it before, waiting for darkness.

Must be beautiful covered with snow, too.

Date: 2009/11/15 11:35:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
niwrad:
 
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For example, before the sonar of a submarine they say it is sophisticated engineering; before the sonar of a bat they say it is natural selection. This odd double standard always struck me.

... and the mating dance of the submarines is sooo cute.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology....rwinism

Date: 2009/11/15 13:26:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, I registered and asked a polite and harmless-bordering-on-naive question. That was two hours ago. Is this normal treatment for newbies at UD?

Date: 2009/11/16 07:24:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (rhmc @ Nov. 15 2009,17:08)
i wonder if there's amusement to be had for those who can "pull it off" in creating a sock, getting through the moderators to be able to post and then, after a bit of time, passing the sock off to the needy sockless.

Yes, I had a similar idea - posting comments for those whose IP is banninated.

And a very late "thank you" for your replies; you see, when you get active and ... ahem ... pull it off, we Europeans are sound asleep.

Date: 2009/11/16 12:51:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
As far as I know, the tissue and blood vessels were not soft when found. In fact, a chemical was added to soften them up. When I last followed the issue, it was still being discussed if it was actually part of the animal or a bacteria film.
Now I'm off to google the facts.

Date: 2009/11/16 13:04:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Panda has the facts:
http://pandasthumb.org/cgi-bin....vessels

... and more here:
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/2009/731/1

Date: 2009/11/17 13:18:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
lamarck in a comment to the cartoon DrDr posted:
   
Quote
Indeed. Indeed.
There’s lots of evidence for a nuked earth. Here’s just one. If you’re truth compass demands scholarly works, which is arbitrary, I saw some links to those to if you google this subject. I’m a believer myself: ...

He posted a link to a fundie/UFO crackpot site which I omitted.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-340132

P.S. Words fail.

Date: 2009/11/17 13:27:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Nov. 17 2009,11:22)
<singsong>

I just got a Ray Comfort book

nanna nanna boo boo

So how about all the lurid details?

Date: 2009/11/17 13:28:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 17 2009,13:18)
lamarck in a comment to the cartoon DrDr posted:
     
Quote
Indeed. Indeed.
There’s lots of evidence for a nuked earth. Here’s just one. If you’re truth compass demands scholarly works, which is arbitrary, I saw some links to those to if you google this subject. I’m a believer myself: ...

He posted a link to a fundie/UFO crackpot site which I omitted.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-340132

P.S. Words fail.

On second thought, it might be one of your socks?

Date: 2009/11/17 16:47:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 17 2009,16:09)
re dirty words etc:  You, Katarina & Maya stick with us, and we'll get you staring roles in the Biblical Epic "Sodam & Gomorrah - The Fun Years". *




* This film not yet rated.  At least not by those prudes at UD.

Being Bavarian, I can out-dirt you lot anytime. I just want to tread carefully in the beginning.

Date: 2009/11/18 14:23:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
tardagain77:
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Genetic Entropy can rest its foundation in science directly on the twin pillars of the Second Law of Thermodynamics and on the Law of Conservation Of Information(LCI)


Second LoT sez: "There goes the neighbourhood."
http://www.uncommondescent.com/neurosc....-340284

Date: 2009/11/18 14:35:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 17 2009,17:41)
*This film not yet rated by the Prudes at UD (PUDS for short)

As my genes have been passed down through an ancestral Bavarian line, would this mean I get to star Witt Kattarina?[/quote]

Date: 2009/11/18 14:56:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 18 2009,14:37)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 18 2009,14:35)
 
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Nov. 17 2009,17:41)
*This film not yet rated by the Prudes at UD (PUDS for short)

As my genes have been passed down through an ancestral Bavarian line, would this mean I get to star Witt Kattarina?


I DEMAND YOU ALSO PHOTOSHOP THE SHADOW A HAT! :angry:[/quote]
Ummm ... loss of information due to deletorial mutation?

Date: 2009/11/18 16:26:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 18 2009,16:14)
But do NOT change that shit-eating Mona Lisa smile.

Disclaimer: This is not me, it is your m... I mean, I look more like Denyse O'Leary.

And now for something completely different:

Faked orgasm:
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/intelligent-design-book-delivers-blow-to-darwin-cracks-amazon-com-best-seller-list-in-scie

nce/#comments]http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....omments[/URL]

Went to Amazon's bestseller list and could not find it. But maybe Amazon gives different results when contacted from overseas?

Date: 2009/11/18 17:08:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (silverspoon @ Nov. 18 2009,17:05)
Quote (BillB @ Nov. 18 2009,16:53)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 18 2009,22:26)
 
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 18 2009,16:14)
But do NOT change that shit-eating Mona Lisa smile.

Disclaimer: This is not me, it is your m... I mean, I look more like Denyse O'Leary.

And now for something completely different:

Faked orgasm:
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/intelligent-design-book-delivers-blow-to-darwin-cracks-amazon-com-best-seller-list-in-scie





nce/#comments]http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....omments[/URL]

Went to Amazon's bestseller list and could not find it. But maybe Amazon gives different results when contacted from overseas?

When I force my browser to go to the .com site I found it at 95 in the top 100 books in the science category - Dawkins 'greatest show on earth' is at 6 so Meyers is lagging behind a bit, it is also quite a bit behind 'Home Cheese Making: Recipes for 75 Delicious Cheeses' by Ricki Carroll at No 77 in science best sellers!

It must really irk them that after 150 years Darwins On the Origin of Species is number 20 on that list.

Ha! I only went till number 20, that was enough to assume that "number 10" was a bald-faced lie.

Date: 2009/11/19 15:50:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/11/19 18:08:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
tardagain77 has a - clumsily expressed - brainwave:
 
Quote
The problem for getting a rough measure of CSI in larger systems, of multiple interlocking parts, such as echolocation of bats, is that we don’t actually know where the information is stored at that is directing the construction of the overall body plans??? No one knows! This is a very mysterious enigma to put it mildly: i.e. How do you put a measuring stick to information that no seems able to find?

Will it last?
http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology....-340391

Date: 2009/11/20 11:25:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
They had a contest which allowed Denyse O'Leary to wade in deep tard
 
Quote
"Can Darwinism Beat the odds - winner"

and she picked a winner, Philip W:
 
Quote
Did nature, completely unguided by intelligence, just somehow know that flight was even possible or achievable?

You need to be realllly tough to read the whole winning post.
O'Leary waxes New-Agey in her OP:
 
Quote
By the way, I especially agree about trees. Trees are the foundation of ecology in many habitats. I am not surprised that in the ancient world, people who cut down a tree felt that they must placate its spirit. They did not feel the same way about quack grass.  As a modernist, I would be inclined to say that the best way to placate the tree is by planting another tree.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/uncommo....re-9810

Date: 2009/11/20 12:25:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi RDK, great job!

Date: 2009/11/21 08:21:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/11/21 13:12:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joseph venting his foul mood (after being ridiculed at AtBC, so it's your fault, ladies and gentlemen):
Quote
Arthur Hunt,

Through all your whining you still cannot produce any evidence ....
Also it appears that you still don’t understand the debate.

You are just a sad state of affairs and you appear to be proud of it.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/intelligent-design-book-delivers-blow-to-darwin-cracks-amazon-com-best-seller-list-in-scie

nce/#comment-340680]http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-340680[/URL]

Date: 2009/11/29 14:44:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Can't I leave for a short holiday without you getting older? ;-)

Happy birthday - mean photoshopped picture tomorrow!

Date: 2009/11/30 07:17:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/11/30 09:07:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
On behalf of médécins sans frontieres, I want to thank Nakashima for his patience: He did not get banned, in this way making me loose my bet. I include the receipt for my donation:

Date: 2009/11/30 16:56:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 30 2009,13:29)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRBWLpYCPY

DoubleDoctor preferred this version:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/global-....d-humor

Date: 2009/12/01 08:41:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Kitteh can has heben, says Saint Francis of Assisi.

Date: 2009/12/01 08:57:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Brilliant!
Do you have the link so I can check Joseph's meltdown?

Date: 2009/12/01 09:00:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
UprightBiped has a bad conscience because he didn't do his chores:
Quote
...And all this was done as a huge question mark hoovered above them as to the validity of their work,...

http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-341642

Date: 2009/12/01 09:32:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Bob, thank you for the link.

Date: 2009/12/01 11:13:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/12/01 11:44:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 01 2009,10:35)
Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 01 2009,10:38)
 
Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 01 2009,09:12)
POTW.  Both here and at [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/ic-all-the-way-down-the-grand-human-evolutionary-discontinuity-and-probabilistic-resources





/#comment-341671]The Other Place[/URL]

Seconded!  

I can't remember the last time I saw Aristotle, the bible, food choices, and the utter futility of ID to explain anything expresed so clearly. :)

If there is any sock available to type "POTW" over there, it would be much appreciated on the banks of the Setagawa.

I'd love to, but I am still trying to build an extremely slimy kind of sock and need to stay undercover.

Date: 2009/12/01 11:54:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
It would be cool if you highjackedthe name scordova.
In fact I'm going to become one of his most fervent followers.

Date: 2009/12/01 15:21:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Uh-oh:
Quote


Leviathan,

You’ve been moderated.

I wonder what made Clive Hayden mad?
http://tinyurl.com/yzrxh3q

Date: 2009/12/01 17:03:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Yessss! Learn Science the ID Way!!!111
A bright student called wagenweg:
Quote
First, from what I think I’ve learned from reading this blog is that matter/particles are made up of information. If in fact all things are made up of information and assuming that time itself is also made up of information, it would be possible at some point be able to manipulate the information of time itself allowing for transference of data of particles from one position on the time continuum to another position on the continuum such as is the case with information now geographically, for example emails or facsimiles.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/cosmolo....-341718

Date: 2009/12/02 13:52:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Dec. 02 2009,10:08)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 01 2009,17:03)
Yessss! Learn Science the ID Way!!!111
A bright student called wagenweg:      
Quote
First, from what I think I’ve learned from reading this blog is that matter/particles are made up of information. If in fact all things are made up of information and assuming that time itself is also made up of information, it would be possible at some point be able to manipulate the information of time itself allowing for transference of data of particles from one position on the time continuum to another position on the continuum such as is the case with information now geographically, for example emails or facsimiles.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/cosmolo....-341718


Awesome, since matter = information, and there is conservation of matter, therefore there is conservation of information, and Dr. Dr. was right, again!

Actually, I think this is a brilliant sock - come on, girls and guys, fess up!

Date: 2009/12/03 11:09:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Nakashima:  
Quote
Mr Joseph,

"And if science is grounded in reality then what does that do to the theory of evolution which is grounded in personal biases?"

Oh, don’t worry about that problem any more. The FSM told me that Charles Darwin was actually copying the text of his books from golden plates of pasta (alphabet, of course though some splitters think noodles forming script words – they are going to Hull to sort laundry forever, believe me!) shown to him by the Lady of the Lake, errr, Warm Little Pond. So have no fear, the theory of evolution is on extremely solid footing of direct revelation, we now know.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/philoso....-341907

médécins sans frontieres is not amused.

Date: 2009/12/04 13:04:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Want to see Jerry cowardly covering his behind?
Quote
Certainly gradualistic process work to change populations over time but there is no evidence that they have routinely built anything of consequence (I use routinely because I am sure one can find the occasional example of something new appearing through naturalistic processes.)

http://tinyurl.com/yzqwxd8

Date: 2009/12/04 13:37:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 04 2009,13:30)
Obviously, one of the key failings of the ID community is their unwillingness to SHARE THEIR DRUGS with everyone else in the reality based community.

Frankincense?

Date: 2009/12/04 14:13:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet

I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...

Date: 2009/12/04 15:12:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Is anyone familiar with the Center's policy re letting rooms? Do they admit beauty pageants, e.g.? Or do they admit scientific venues only?

Date: 2009/12/05 10:02:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joseph got caught by Nakashima and conveniently gets health problems:
Quote
Nakashima,

I will look for the reference today.

I just had another knee surgery yesterday morning.

However I do remeber that it was something Jonathan Wells wrote so while I am laying back I will peruse my literature and see what I can find…


Of course I wish him speedy recovery, he might be a nice person apart from his ID speen.
http://tinyurl.com/ycw4v5d

Date: 2009/12/05 16:10:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 05 2009,03:25)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 04 2009,14:13)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 03 2009,21:18)
joe is good for one thing.  i am not sure what it is yet

I dimly remember an American comic strip, Beetle Baily ... there was this really dumb and eternally grumpy sergeant ... If they decided to make it into a movie ...

Beetle Bailey, eh? Haven't seen that strip in a while, but it's apparently still going. The character you're thinking of is Sergeant Orville Snorkel, and with a name like that, his grumpiness is perhaps understandable...

Thank you! Don't you think Joe would look the part?

Date: 2009/12/06 07:06:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 05 2009,19:13)
Nakashima was hoping to be depicted in comics as character something closer to Will Eisner's Spirit. ...


I'm not usually into hero worshipping, but today is St Nicholas' day.

Date: 2009/12/06 11:24:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98


http://tinyurl.com/ydotzsh

Date: 2009/12/06 16:35:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 06 2009,16:20)
Quote (Reg @ Dec. 06 2009,15:54)
Dembski:
     
Quote
olin: I doubt the ID community has a single view about global warming and humanity’s role in it. What many of us in that community have a problem with is the abuse of science to further political ends, which we find exemplified both among proponents of Darwinism and among proponents of AGW.

My irony meter just went off-scale and needs resetting.

Seriously, if there is a suicidal sock out there, he/she should remind the good Doctor2 of s couple of the 20 year goals in the Wedge Document.
   
Quote
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.

To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

Actually, I was tempted to sacrifice my infant sock. I'd just love to kick the double doctor in the ... shin.

Date: 2009/12/07 05:43:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
While the cdesign proponentsists are arguing that ID is not religious at all, Gil Dodgen derails the thread and jumps at the occasion to witness:
 
Quote
... In my case I went one step further than Flew and became a Christian, based on what I perceived to be an accurate depiction of the human condition as elucidated by Judeo-Christian theology (i.e., made in the image of God but in a fallen state, with no hope of rescuing ourselves in our own strength). I saw this condition in myself after some brutally honest introspection, ...
There was another major factor, of course, but that is another story.
I do hope nobody bites and asks to hear the other story.
http://tinyurl.com/y9upow9

Date: 2009/12/07 10:25:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (utidjian @ Dec. 07 2009,09:57)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 06 2009,16:20)
 
Quote (Reg @ Dec. 06 2009,15:54)
Dembski:
       
Quote
olin: I doubt the ID community has a single view about global warming and humanity’s role in it. What many of us in that community have a problem with is the abuse of science to further political ends, which we find exemplified both among proponents of Darwinism and among proponents of AGW.

My irony meter just went off-scale and needs resetting.

Seriously, if there is a suicidal sock out there, he/she should remind the good Doctor2 of s couple of the 20 year goals in the Wedge Document.
     
Quote
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.

To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

Done

Since I have been such a wussy UDer I don't need no steenking moderation! Perhaps that will change soon. See how long it lasts anyhow.

-DU-

Miraculously, it went through, complete with link - great! But they might yet decide to delete it.

Date: 2009/12/07 12:15:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
CannuckianYankee dives into deep tard and gets entangled in his vocabulary:
Quote
The strict materialists are close-minded, and as such, their longevity in the sphere of rational inquiry (assuming that we continue to live in a free society where free-thought is encouraged) will be short-lived.


My emphasis

http://tinyurl.com/yzf8u7j

Date: 2009/12/07 17:59:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks, Zachriel, I think I am beginning to understand.

And now for something completely different:
Quote
We still don’t even know if Obama is a United States Citizen

StephenB is a birfer!!!111

http://tinyurl.com/ygaemfk

Date: 2009/12/08 06:15:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 07 2009,22:14)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 07 2009,18:59)
Thanks, Zachriel, I think I am beginning to understand.

And now for something completely different:
   
Quote
We still don’t even know if Obama is a United States Citizen

StephenB is a birfer!!!111

http://tinyurl.com/ygaemfk

This surprises you?

In hindsight, no, it doesn't. What still surprises me is the fact that they are not ashamed to discuss this trash at a "SCIENCE" blog.

As for the "comrades lobbying" mentioned above: Could it be that the dimwit is speculating about a Marxist affiliation? Now that wouldn't surprise me at all.

Date: 2009/12/08 06:58:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Clive Hayden answers to a request that is lost in the limbo of moderation:
Quote
Arthur Hunt,

   Quite completely wrong.

I don’t allow links to that site Arthur, and I have to admit I’m disappointed to see that you post there.

http://tinyurl.com/yzmbgzc

Date: 2009/12/08 07:22:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
As for the "comrades lobbying" mentioned above: Could it be that the dimwit is speculating about a Marxist affiliation?

jerry proves me wrong:
Quote
Obama got into Harvard through his Black Muslim connections.

http://tinyurl.com/yzqwu6h

Date: 2009/12/08 12:55:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Yet another example of beginning speciation observed ("Were you there?")

Human Feeding Creates New Population of Birds

http://www.livescience.com/animals/091203-birdfeeding-evolution.html

Date: 2009/12/08 14:36:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 08 2009,13:14)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 08 2009,10:55)
Yet another example of beginning speciation observed ("Were you there?")

Human Feeding Creates New Population of Birds

http://www.livescience.com/animals/091203-birdfeeding-evolution.html

Yeah, but they're still birds.  Unless they turn into plants, it doesn't count.

What do you mean?

Date: 2009/12/08 15:12:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Frosty shares his wisdom:
 
Quote
Yeah a better question would be “how much of the human emissions are just consumed and sequestered by the vegetation and therefore neutralized?”

My intuition says MOST of it is.

Intuition will now debunk science:
 
Quote
Eventually it is brought downwards because of rains and gravity and wind and all of the climate cycles- and when the plants get hold of it – plants which make up the HUGE abundance of vegetation on the planet- the very pathetically small human signal is immediately neutralized.

Plants make up the HUGE abundance of vegetation!

*Must_not_hit_keyboard_with_forehead*

Date: 2009/12/08 15:13:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oops - link:
http://tinyurl.com/yf3fwhf

Date: 2009/12/08 16:21:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
This looked sciencey, too:

http://www.netl.doe.gov/publications/proceedings/01/carbon_seq/6c1.pdf

Date: 2009/12/09 11:03:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Art @ Dec. 08 2009,16:55)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 08 2009,06:58)
Clive Hayden answers to a request that is lost in the limbo of moderation:    
Quote
Arthur Hunt,

   Quite completely wrong.

I don’t allow links to that site Arthur, and I have to admit I’m disappointed to see that you post there.

http://tinyurl.com/yzmbgzc

What Clive thought was too dangerous for UD.

Thanks for the link - amazing. I had read about it before, but never in such detail and with those great photos.

Date: 2009/12/09 15:54:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reg @ Dec. 09 2009,15:35)
Quote (Freddie @ Dec. 09 2009,10:08)
Gaz sets Jerry right ...
           
Quote
Rubbish. Britain, for example, has – for now – a socialist Prime Minister who is the son of a Scottish Minister and a practising Christian. Check out the Socialist block of MEPs in the European Parliament and you’ll find most of them – nearly all – are actually Christians.

I expect Jerry's riposte to be one in which he opines that these MEPs cannot possibly be True Christians™ ... 3, 2, 1 ...

Oh it's not just the MEPs who aren't True Christians.
It turns out that the eye-talians ain't true christians neither cus they ain't havin' enough babies to be proper catholics. But their politicians still have to pretend to be christian, else they'd not elected by the heathen populace, see?

Quick - call O'Leary, Catholic extraordinaire and expert in all questions dogmatic!

Date: 2009/12/10 11:40:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 10 2009,10:38)
 
Quote (Turncoat @ Dec. 10 2009,10:19)
Well, I just made somebody or another at UD piss his pants. I posted, without the least meanness or gloating, an explanation of how Dembski and Marks got a crucial point wrong in the "search for a search" analysis of their latest publication. Someone deleted it, and I don't think Clive has the mathematical acumen to know just how devastating my comment was.

I lost what I wrote to a page reload - stupid me - but I've posted Blunder in the new Dembski-Marks paper on my blog.

Magic. Calling all socks!

Sorry, nobody would believe my sock making sophisticated statements.

Date: 2009/12/10 16:11:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
There is something seriously wrong with Clive. Or is it me?
Quote
You can arrive at an understanding of what the cause was, but you cannot understand the cause. Because you see two things always connected physically doesn’t mean that you understand them philosophically. Because you see one incomprehensible thing always follow another incomprehensible thing doesn’t mean that the two things together make up a comprehensible thing. Two black riddles don’t make a white answer. If you cut the stalk and the apple falls, you have noticed two incomprehensible things, and the mere relation of them being together is not an understanding of why they are connected philosophically. You can understand real laws, like laws of reason and logic, you can understand the law of non-contradiction, but you have no equivalent insight into why an apple should fall by merely cutting the stalk other than the two events have always been seen together. But we do not understand natural events as we understand mental relations. We have no “premise=conclusion” inner synthesis to why the one event follows from the other in nature. All we can say is that they do follow one another, but this is not an “understanding” because we have no knowledge of its inner synthesis. We cannot, as it were, get behind these events in nature and see their “reasonableness”, in the respect that we can see the reasonableness behind laws of logic. This has to be firmly grasped, so to avoid the comparison between these events in nature which are wholly inexplicable, and mental relations which are explicable. The mere fact of seeing natural things together is not an “explanation” on the level of why we understand with our reason and can therefore explain the law of non-contradiction.

http://tinyurl.com/ydkucyl

Date: 2009/12/10 16:40:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 10 2009,16:25)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 10 2009,16:11)
There is something seriously wrong with Clive. Or is it me?
     
Quote
You can arrive at an understanding of what the cause was, but you cannot understand the cause. Because you see two things always connected physically doesn’t mean that you understand them philosophically. Because you see one incomprehensible thing always follow another incomprehensible thing doesn’t mean that the two things together make up a comprehensible thing. Two black riddles don’t make a white answer. If you cut the stalk and the apple falls, you have noticed two incomprehensible things, and the mere relation of them being together is not an understanding of why they are connected philosophically. You can understand real laws, like laws of reason and logic, you can understand the law of non-contradiction, but you have no equivalent insight into why an apple should fall by merely cutting the stalk other than the two events have always been seen together. But we do not understand natural events as we understand mental relations. We have no “premise=conclusion” inner synthesis to why the one event follows from the other in nature. All we can say is that they do follow one another, but this is not an “understanding” because we have no knowledge of its inner synthesis. We cannot, as it were, get behind these events in nature and see their “reasonableness”, in the respect that we can see the reasonableness behind laws of logic. This has to be firmly grasped, so to avoid the comparison between these events in nature which are wholly inexplicable, and mental relations which are explicable. The mere fact of seeing natural things together is not an “explanation” on the level of why we understand with our reason and can therefore explain the law of non-contradiction.

http://tinyurl.com/ydkucyl

Science tells us how but not why, I think is what he's trying to say.

Interestingly, what he just said about natural causes could also be applied to these "first principles" and the "prime mover" that they're so fond of.

Thank you, Kristine.
BTW, with me, it was first the hip, then the drop, and last the shimmy.

Date: 2009/12/11 08:21:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98

I liked it too much not to tamper with it ...

Date: 2009/12/11 09:11:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
There was still room for improvement:


Hey Lou, if you need photos to be 'shopped ...

Date: 2009/12/11 11:49:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 11 2009,10:45)
Thanks, Kattarina! I can usually do alright with them, it's just the fluorescent lighting that kills me. I can never get the tones quite right and there's never good shadowing. (And honestly I don't bother too much with photos of me most of the time. Seems kind of .... unseemly, and I find myself a rather boring subject for photography. :) )

Tones: I moved the colour balance from blue towards yellow - just a bit.
Shadows: First I gave a little more light to the medium range, then I added a spot to your and the snake's head, leaving the background pritty much intact.
Subject: Think of the sweet memories years from now ...

Date: 2009/12/11 14:25:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (olin @ Dec. 11 2009,14:21)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 10 2009,15:35)
Barry:    
Quote
Everyone is free to comment here, but if snarky putdowns are all you have to offer, don’t be surprised if you find yourself in the same category as olin, i.e., “no longer with us.”

Olin's comment, immediately above Barry's:    
Quote


Anyone catch it while it had any content?

In the UD's continuing quest to convolute the "refutation" of global warming by "climategate," I wrote "I’m still waiting to hear about the group of scientists who are both evolutionary biologists and climatologists."  After jerry called it a "rather stupid question" I wrote something like (I don't know the exact wording), "I'm not the one who continues to embarass himself with his awkward association fallacy between global warming and evolution denial."  I suppose it is a "snarky putdown," although they never address why a ID site ought to be so obsessed with climatology.

Yay! I was hoping you would show up!

Date: 2009/12/11 14:41:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98

http://tinyurl.com/ybuodwj

Date: 2009/12/11 16:06:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 11 2009,15:47)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 11 2009,14:25)
Yay! I was hoping you would show up!

WEBROMANCE!

As long as I don't know if olin is a nice lady or a hunk, sadly ...

Date: 2009/12/11 17:45:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Just sayin'

Date: 2009/12/11 17:52:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 11 2009,17:34)
Is it just me, or does it look like Arrington Law Firm library is stocked with the complete works of Tom Clancy and John Grisham, with a few Nancy Drew's thrown for good measure?

Oh ... I thought those were pr0n videos.

Date: 2009/12/11 21:52:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
ERASMUS !!!!1111!

Clive Hayden:

Quote
Water runs downhill because it is bewitched


http://tinyurl.com/ybwhagb

Date: 2009/12/12 06:27:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 11 2009,21:52)
ERASMUS !!!!1111!

Clive Hayden:

 
Quote
Water runs downhill because it is bewitched


http://tinyurl.com/ybwhagb

Actually, I was referring to the FL Thread where Erasmus never got an answer to this question - which he asked dozens of times:
http://tinyurl.com/yehbvss

Date: 2009/12/12 06:33:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
These pics are great! I looked for the Green Vine Snake at Wikipedia, fascinating behaviour.
Now just let it coil round your neck and take another photo. ;-)

Date: 2009/12/12 08:16:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Now I read up about Bothrops asper:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bothrops_asper
   
Quote
Even when prodded with a (long) stick ...

You did what????

Date: 2009/12/12 17:40:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2009/12/14 09:59:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hey quetzal,
the birds are cute.
Quote
increase the brightness

If you'D like me to give it a try, pm me the original jpg.

Date: 2009/12/14 10:02:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Sorry, ladies and gentlemen,
I need to vent my frustration: Right now I am in Edinburgh, and it looks like I might not be able to see Hutton's Uncomformity at Siccar point. :angry:

Date: 2009/12/15 16:43:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Now I must hurry: my credits are about to expire.
Dave: Thanks for Salisbury Crags, shall try to get there tomorrow.
J-Dog: What do you mean "wee dram"? I am boozing through the whole range of Scotch.
Albatrossity: Lovely photo, I have already decided to come back next summer - and I shall stay in Dunbar, I have met a nice lady who lives there.

See you!

P.S. I don't mind the weather: Be prepared!

Date: 2010/01/18 15:20:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh dear, just came in from the New Zealand outback to get a fix of THE FORRUMMM at an Internet Cafe - and the first thing I read is the news about Albatrossity.
Please keep getting better!
Best wishes
Kattarina

Date: 2010/02/11 18:30:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 18 2010,16:31)
I want to hear more - and see the pictures - of Shroedinger's Dog and Katarina's vacations...

It's World Peace breaking out - Dogs & Cats, Frenchies and Frauleins vactioning together!

Hi J-Dog,
I just came back from sweltering NZ to freezing Munich and am going to post some pics in "Wildlife" as soon as I have sorted them.

Date: 2010/02/11 18:43:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I LOVE TERRY PRATCHETT :

"But then ... it used to be so simple, once upon a time.
Because the universe was full of ignorance all around and the scientist panned through it like a prospector crouched over a mountain stream, looking for the gold of knowledge among the gravel of unreason, the sand of uncertainty and the little whiskery eight-legged swimming things of superstition.
Occasionally he would straighten up and say things like 'Hurrah, I've discovered Boyle's Third Law.' And everyone knew where they stood. But the trouble was that ignorance became more interesting, especially big fascinating ignorance about huge and important things like matter and creation, and people stopped patiently building their little houses of rational sticks in the chaos of the universe and started getting interested in the chaos itself - partly because it was a lot easier to be an expert on chaos, but mostly because it made really good patterns that you could put on a t-shirt."

WITCHES ABROAD

Date: 2010/02/15 06:33:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 14 2010,18:18)
I didn't think this sort of thing still got published:

   
Quote
Population and Environment, vol. 23, 2002, pp. 365-375. Professor Lynn writes that it: “Presents new evidence showing conclusively for the first time that lighter skinned blacks have higher IQs than darker skinned blacks. This supports the theory that the proportion of white ancestry in African Americans is significantly determined by the proportion of Caucasian genes.”


Ahh!! "Professor Emeritus University of Ulster".  No doubt misses having Enoch Powell there to fight the good fight.

 
Quote
“The lower IQ in southern Italy may be attributable to genetic admixture with populations from the Near East and North Africa.”


Further comment would be superfluous.

There should be a "Cesspool Wall" ...

Date: 2010/07/02 10:42:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 20 2010,08:05)
It would appear that Clive has in fact banned Nakashima.

My friends, I hope this is only a temporary setback for the wily Nakashima. He has been unbanned before.

In the mean time, anyone who has been contributing to Medecins Sans Frontiers on the basis of the entertainment value Nak provides, please consider making a special Nakashima-Czech supermodel wedding gift to MSF.


Congratulations - better late than never ...

Date: 2010/07/03 01:49:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ July 02 2010,18:45)
Kattarina - Were you in Scotland all this time????

Not all this time; I had to take care of some private issues.
However, I have been in Scotland a week ago - and finally made it to Siccar Point. Pics will be uploaded to the Bathroom Wall.
(And in August I shall be in Scotland again - Tattoo festival and some more Uncomformities.)

Date: 2010/07/03 02:15:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Souvenirs from Scotland:


Dactylorhiza praetermissa


Fossil seaweed (?) near Dunbar, too big to dig out.


On the way to Siccar Point


Finally!



Greyfriars' Churchyard; an anonymous Bavarian tourist who could not find a decent flower shop nearby left a rather unconspicuous pot of some kitchen herb at Hutton's grave instead but means to leave a flashy one in August.

Date: 2010/07/03 09:52:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98


This is one of the pictures in "Alpha" by Jens Harder, a hardcover comic about the history of our planet - 350 pages of sometimes scientific, sometimes phantastic drawings, black on white, red, or yellow, painstakingly inked. And it's only the first of two volumes; it ends with the first humans. He tries to be as scientifically accurate as possible.

Of course ideal for kids, but also for adults who share his enthusiasm for science and its wonders.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alpha-directions-Jens-Harder/dp/2742781021

Strangely, I could not find it on Amazon.com.

Date: 2010/07/03 11:02:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Can't wait to see your face when we show up for the surprise party!

Date: 2010/07/03 12:04:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 03 2010,07:14)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2010,02:15)
Souvenirs from Scotland:

Looks like you had a lovely day there at Siccar Point!  Did you clamber down that slope to the rocks? It's a long way back up, I recall!

No, I stayed on top, I kept imagining myself lying all mangled and disfigured at the bottom of the ravine ... allright, I am a coward.

Date: 2010/07/03 15:33:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
P.S. I've got the German original, Amazon sells the French translation.

Date: 2010/07/04 06:15:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Weekend - no peace for the wicked:

http://tinyurl.com/2u343zw

Corny gloates: "Evolution Not Crucial in the Life Sciences" and gets immediately caught quote mining by Thorton:

http://tinyurl.com/2vagyhf

Date: 2010/07/04 14:52:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Rrr @ July 04 2010,12:51)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2010,12:04)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 03 2010,07:14)
   
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2010,02:15)
Souvenirs from Scotland:

Looks like you had a lovely day there at Siccar Point!  Did you clamber down that slope to the rocks? It's a long way back up, I recall!

No, I stayed on top, I kept imagining myself lying all mangled and disfigured at the bottom of the ravine ... allright, I am a coward.

U ween by loossing Darwin Prize Contest.
U can has S-M-R-T.

http://tinyurl.com/366efqm

OTOH, I might have been given a grave next to Hutton.

Date: 2010/07/04 17:14:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 04 2010,16:44)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2010,12:04)
   
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 03 2010,07:14)
     
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2010,02:15)
Souvenirs from Scotland:

Looks like you had a lovely day there at Siccar Point!  Did you clamber down that slope to the rocks? It's a long way back up, I recall!

No, I stayed on top, I kept imagining myself lying all mangled and disfigured at the bottom of the ravine ... allright, I am a coward.

But there are many interesting sights on the rocks below!


Are they mangled and disfigured?

Don't mind me, I'm just jealous.

Date: 2010/07/05 08:48:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Take that, scientismists!!!111one!
http://tinyurl.com/39spn7t

Date: 2010/07/06 06:32:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/07/06 06:35:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Awesome! Was it your own design, intelligent or otherwise?

Date: 2010/07/06 06:41:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bjarne @ July 05 2010,16:46)
Hmm, this might be the perfect birthday present for my dad. Though € 50 is a bit much for a comic book for my taste. Is it worth the money?

I think it is - it's huge, approximately 20 by 30 cm, elegant lay-out, expensive paper, and the drawings are real artwork.

Date: 2010/07/07 01:49:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
[quote=carlsonjok,July 06 2010,14:42]
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2010,13:12)
Guest Room...

Umm, you are going to put drapes over that glass wall, aren't you?  You don't really want to be heading to the kitchen to get a midnight snack and see your mother bumping uglies with Arden, do you?

Venetian blinds would be more in style.

Date: 2010/07/07 07:22:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Don't underestimate StephenB:  http://tinyurl.com/2wzwtnk
Quote
I have even built a couple of theories myself,...

I can see him right now merrily tinkering away.

Date: 2010/07/08 09:10:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
johnnyb with a tempting invitation:
A Convergence Between Biologos and the Intelligent Design Movement

http://tinyurl.com/335gcf6

Date: 2010/07/08 10:06:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 08 2010,05:53)
OMFG.

Clive clarifies the meaning of "common descent":
   
Quote
Everything that has ever lived has the exact same ancestry according to common descent.



I am EVERYONE's father.

(Luke learns more of the truth.)

OMFG indeed. I read the whole post, his gibberish made me feel concerned about his mental health - it's waaayyy beyond ridiculous.

Date: 2010/07/08 16:01:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Not all posters are amused by the idea of inviting BioLogos under the Big Tent:
Quote
VMartin at 8:
... I am afraid that Biologos is a crypto-darwinian venue and nothing else. ... their bizarre discussions. ... all that darwinian mantras ..neodarwinian ravings of Ayala...

uoflcard at 9:
It frequently reads like Pharyngula sans the cussing

Nullasalus at 13
... And I do mean lavish praise – look at the response to Dawkins’ broadside the moment a TE actually stood up and said that evolution is compatible with Christianity and with Genesis. The response was ass-kissing. Oh, but that was just Dawkins. When it came to Michael Ruse, they didn’t just ass-kiss. They let him write a few columns ... (he wants; Kattar.) proof that one isn’t dealing with a bunch of (for lack of a better word) quislings.

http://tinyurl.com/335gcf6

Date: 2010/07/09 03:14:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Obviously, The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" strategy has created wrong ideas at BioLogos - or has it:
 
Quote
Thomas Cudworth at 16:
Dr. Falk, this paragraph is filled with falsehoods about the ID position, and it mingles editorial statements about ID with a description of ID in such a way that the boundary between description and criticism is blurred. ...
Will you undertake, *within the next month*, to remove this false and misleading description of ID, and replace it with a definition of ID as ID is understood by its proponents? And to separate that definition clearly, in a distinct paragraph, from any editorial comments Biologos wishes to make about ID? ...

And at 18 Darrel Falk is happy to oblige:  
Quote
Thomas,
Please feel free to suggest alternative wording and send it to me at [EMAIL=info@biologos.org.]info@biologos.org.[/EMAIL] Please write a definition that you think pretty much defines ID. ...

Cudworth is a chicken at 19:  
Quote
I am not the person to ask for the official definition of intelligent design. ... The best way to proceed, I would suggest, would be to write to Casey Luskin and John West at the Discovery Institute, telling them that you would like a definition of “intelligent design” that currently finds wide favor among ID proponents, one which you could use on your “Leading Figures” page ...


Darrel Falk at 18:  
Quote
Johnny B: I asked to be removed as an ISCID Fellow after Michael Behe wrote the Afterword to the second edition of Darwin’s Black Box and in the aftermath of the Dover trial. I did not see that the ID movement leaders were taking scientific data seriously. I was also disappointed that in my six years as an ISCID Fellow I had never been asked to review a paper or contribute to discussion in the manner the Bill Dembski had told me I would be able to do.

Should I get some popcorn?
http://tinyurl.com/335gcf6

Date: 2010/07/09 13:18:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
A cockroach has come out of the woodwo .... erm, I mean, FL is derailing a Panda thread with his FIVE GREAT IMCOMPATIBILITIES.
I thought you had demoli ... erm, I mean, demoralized him (sigh) ...
http://tinyurl.com/2vkn3mn

Date: 2010/07/10 15:38:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ July 10 2010,13:07)
 
Quote
PaV: Here’s a proposal to the NIH for a project involving ORFans. It was submitted this year:

   
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Howard Ochman, Elucidating the origins and functions of unknown genes: Although it has been hypothesized that ORFans might represent non-coding regions rather than actual genes, we have recently established that the vast majority that ORFans present in the E. coli genome are under selective constraints and encode functional proteins. By combining experimental and bioinformatic approaches, the present proposal will analyze the origins, functions and structural properties of ORFans, and how they have assumed key roles in cellular function.

I think this rather seals the deal for Darwin’s demise.

Wow! Ochman overthrows "Darwinism"! And he is going to determine the *origins* of these ORFans. They didn't evolve, so it's a classic Whodunit. Finally, the Designer will be revealed. And it's coming right out of Ochman's lab in the Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology. Guess they'll have to rename it to the Department of ID.

Hmm. He co-wrote a paper about the flagellum. That's pretty topical for ID. Guess he showed it couldn't have happened, being Irreducibly Complex and whatnot.

   
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Liu & Ochman, Stepwise formation of the bacterial flagellar system, PNAS 2007: results show that core components of the bacterial flagellum originated through the successive duplication and modification of a few, or perhaps even a single, precursor gene.

What's this paper?

   
Quote
Kuo & Ochman, The fate of new bacterial genes, FEMS Microbiol Rev 2009: Bacteria experience a continual influx of novel genetic material from a wide range of sources and yet their genomes remain relatively small. This aspect of bacterial evolution indicates that most newly arriving sequences are rapidly eliminated; however, numerous new genes persist, as evident from the presence of unique genes in almost all bacterial genomes. This review summarizes the methods for identifying new genes in bacterial genomes and examines the features that promote the retention and elimination of these evolutionary novelties.

Evolutionary novelties? What can he possibly mean? This one seems relevant.

   
Quote
Daubin & Ochman, Bacterial genomes as new gene homes: The genealogy of ORFans in E. coli., Genome Res. 2004.

ORFans have a genealogy?!

   
Quote
Daubin & Ochman, Start-up entities in the origin of new genes, Genetics & Development 2004: Recent evidence indicates that parasitism, particularly the molecular interactions between phage and their bacterial hosts, is a likely mechanism for generating new genes.

Bacteria are designed by parasites?

Brilliant stuff - an abyss-deep undercover agent for ID exhibiting ultimate self-denial doing actual research in evolutionary biology.
And he would have gone undetected if it wasn't for PaV.

Date: 2010/07/11 03:03:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
[quote=sparc,July 10 2010,22:57]
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 10 2010,19:36)

It is not unlikely that PAV will soon claim that the software Dr. Dembski presented recently is pro ID because it is named "CellCraft".

Here you are: These are the scientific advisors for "CellCraft:
Dr. David Dewitt at Liberty University
 
Quote
Dr. DeWitt is a biochemist and neuroscientist whose passion is to defend creation using The Word of God. When not pointing out the flaws in Darwin's theory, ..
http://tinyurl.com/2vr8l8y

Dr. Jed Macosko at Wake Forest University
 
Quote
Then, he moved to the University of New Mexico where he studied life's molecular machines as a Discovery Institute, before settling at Wake Forest University in North Carolina.

The sentence is uncomplete just as I found it.
http://www.tektonics.org/scim/scientistm.html

Date: 2010/07/11 05:06:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
BioLogos still does not want to be dragged under the Big Tent - as Gregory keeps pointing out, you need to have a scientific view on the age of the earth. After much pressure, johnnyb finally answers:

http://tinyurl.com/2wa6gn9

Date: 2010/07/11 08:24:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 11 2010,07:29)
Something changed on the server, knocking the main antievolution.org site off the air. I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened and what needs to be done to fix it. I suspect an upgrade to PHP 5.3.2 may be part of it, so I'm trying to find out from Reed if he upgraded that with the other maintenance he was doing on the server.



Thank you for working on a summer weekend.

Date: 2010/07/12 16:31:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 12 2010,15:02)
It's getting to be quite the retard convention over there.  Wonder if any more of the regular UD asswipes like Clive will wander over too.  UD is turning into a ghost town.

One reason might be that Hunter is rerouting his OPs to his own site. But maybe it is also the curse of the gavel at UD - posters might tend to censor themselves and debates get boring.

Date: 2010/07/13 18:54:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
gpuccio answers Petrushka's question at http://tinyurl.com/2bfy8m7
Quote
... It is possible to describe DNA replication without reference to information. DNA can be replicated without reference to it’s “meaning.”
So what I’m asking is what part of the replication or imperfect replication requires reference to the concept of information ...

with http://tinyurl.com/2a6c7vu
Quote
Information is what is replicated. If imformation were not there, how could you replicate it? So the answer to your question:
“what part of the replication or imperfect replication requires reference to the concept of information”
is very simple: the information which is replicated. Even a child would easily understand that.

It's information all the way down.

Date: 2010/07/14 03:03:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 13 2010,19:31)
... Oh, yes, there is this built in ability of organisms to adapt to their environments and to one another, ...

PaV does not mean that evolution claims single organisms can genetically adapt to a changing environment during their lifetime, does he?

Date: 2010/07/15 01:23:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 14 2010,13:51)
... (4) Charismatic Leadership: Fundamentalist groups are often founded by charismatic leader(s). Followers tend to be devoted to these leaders. A cult of leadership often arises. ...

Charisma is not picky these days.

Date: 2010/07/15 08:04:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
There is this infamous OP about "Junk Religion" concocted by Cornelius Hunter http://tinyurl.com/38fmg3v

Three posts refer to a comment by Hornspiel - who must have been messily devoured by the God of the Banhammer. Did anyone read it before it disappeared?

Date: 2010/07/16 04:43:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
In vain Thorton tried to point out that in science, there is a difference between proof and evidence.
Now it's Peter's turn:
Quote
... To verify a scientific claim you need proof. Evolution has none. At least you are honest on that point. No one believes that the earth is flat because it has been proven by photographs from space. ...


Of course, prior to that it was perfectly legimate to believe in a flat earth. And any day now, we could find out that those photographs were 'shopped, like they did about the landing on the moon.

Date: 2010/07/16 04:47:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ooops - just in case you want to read it:
http://tinyurl.com/3ymy93r

Date: 2010/07/16 05:30:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
David Tyler offers yet another proof
http://tinyurl.com/2v3dppv
for ID: Spider silk comes with a "well designed adhesive"
Distractedly, he omits what the scientists said about their discovery:
   
Quote
The secret of a brilliant evolutionary development , spider web glue, has been discovered by University of Akron researchers.

my bolding
http://www.physorg.com/news193343833.html

And now, could somebody please stop me frothing?

Date: 2010/07/16 06:07:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/07/16 10:24:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dheddle @ July 16 2010,06:41)
To be honest, I don't see why your are upset. Any mention of evolution does appear to be gratuitous. The original source did not present a evolutionary pathway. It is not unfair to say their paper has nothing to do with evolution.

Not that it matters much, but what you quoted probably came from an editor. The other mention of evolution:

 
Quote
Existence of similar adhesion strategies in distantly related species of animals suggests a common design principle in the evolution of natural adhesives,” Blackledge says.


is just as much prima facie support for ID, since they would argue that the designer reuses design patterns.

Unless I missed something it is hard to find fault in the IDers citing this particular paper.  (Qualifier: The accompanying youtube didn't play--so my comments don't reflect whatever is in the video.)

Hi, thanks for getting back to me.
I agree with your analysis of the sentence you quoted; it could be used to support ID, and the research does not deal with evolution at all.
In fact, the authors of the research use the word scarcely, so for instance
Quote
Nature has evolved a myriad of well-designed adhesives that assist in locomotion, self-defence and prey capture.

http://tinyurl.com/37gwu55
However, it does not pass unnoticed: IDiots dismiss it with
Quote
Whilst this research is a splendid example of empirical science in action (understanding how the natural world operates), the issue of origins is raised in this paper. An evolutionary framework is adopted, not because the research is dependent on that framework, but because papers that refer to design (especially "well-designed" features) apparently need to affirm non-intelligent causation.

http://tinyurl.com/2wjz9lt
So they operate with double standards: When those scientists talk about evolution, they don't mean it, it's just to appease Darwinist watchdogs. OTOH, when they say "well-designed", it's about Teh Design ™.

So, maybe I went over the top with my enraged comment. Now, I am just sad that an amazing and promising discovery is being used to make a point for ID.

Sorry if I was incoherent, I am sitting in a puddle of sweat with a rooom temperature of 37 centigrades, outside it's 39.

Date: 2010/07/19 07:49:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
gpuccio being afraid of finding himself on the wrong side of the debate:  
Quote
...I have no definite opinion about crop circles, but I am not sure that everybody would agree with that. Anyway, unless you are sure of knowing truth by divine inspiration, you should admit that the origina of crop circles has been (and is) the object of many discussions. Whatever the truth, the fact is that the two competing hygpothese were: human artifact or alien artifact. IOW, design hypotheses. No one ever thought they were the result of random forces, or of natural forces (at least, not that I know: but again, I am not an expert of crop circles).
Wheeee!
http://tinyurl.com/2v7bm4l

Date: 2010/07/19 10:20:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 19 2010,08:42)
Quote
In 2009, BBC News reported that Lara Giddings, the attorney general for the island state of Tasmania, stated that Australian wallabies had been found creating crop circles in fields of poppies after consuming some of the opiate-laden crop and running in circles.

Note to self: Next time I'm in New Zealand, I must hop over to Tasmania.

Date: 2010/07/19 10:36:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I've just come back from the English bookshop next to our local university (where I bought "Eight Little Piggies"). Next to Dawkins and Darwin I spotted WAD's "Debating Design". The owner explained that it was the last one of a batch ordered by a professor for his class: "I would not dream of having this book in stock."

America, thanks a heap for exporting ID to Europe.

Date: 2010/07/19 14:03:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ July 19 2010,12:35)
"Edge of Evolution" (why does that sound like the title of a daytime drama to me?) is sitting next to "The Selfish Gene" and "Hens' Teeth and Horses' Toes" in our local library. I actually took it off the shelf and looked at the back, but just couldn't bring myself to sign it out.

Think I should?

Depends: Where I live they send you the bailiff if you forget to return a library book. Is it worth the sacrifice in order to protect future readers?

Date: 2010/07/19 14:42:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ July 19 2010,12:23)
We are so happy we could cry.

Congratulations! You have got the patience of an angel. I hope you are a teacher.
However, it did not last. He became afraid of his own courage in his next comments.

Date: 2010/07/21 00:50:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (madbat.089 @ July 20 2010,18:41)
I don't know - Petrushka shows amazing skill in dodging the balls of nastiness thrown his/her way and coming back clean and sweet and logical - I give wily Petrushka a few more rounds! huzzah!!!

Since when did politeness and logic protect you from being banninated? Isn't it the other way round?
IIRC a few days ago some evil plagiarist copied one of Petrushka's comments onto a Panda thread - Petrushka, watch it!
Quote
I give wily Petrushka a few more rounds! huzzah!!!
My bet: One more week before a silent bannination - or 20 Euro for Médécins Sans Frontières.

Date: 2010/07/21 01:13:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/07/21 04:45:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Gymnocephalus ambriaelacus - Ammersee-Barsch
http://tinyurl.com/37x3vqc
The student has not yet published his thesis, so you must excuse this quote from a Bavarian rag. The article says they have discovered a new species found only in this glacial lake - that means the species can't be older than 10 000 years.
We Bavarians always had a special relationship with God - the Creator - the Designer, but imagine he-she-it-they descended to Bavaria just to create our very own species - whow!

Date: 2010/07/21 05:27:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 21 2010,04:52)
 
Quote
but imagine he-she-it-they descended to Bavaria just to create our very own species


And probably try out some of your oh-so-delicious beers. If not, he/she/it/they're not half the Creator they should be!

The Creator's choice:
http://www.augustiner-braeu.de/enabfrage.html

Date: 2010/07/21 15:56:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (ppb @ July 21 2010,14:14)
I did my best reading the newspaper article using my rusty German, then did some googling and found the actual paper here, in English.
It's in the July 2010 issue of SPIXIANA, published by the Zoologische Staatssammlung München.

ETA: When I lived in Tübingen, my favorite brew was Dinkelacker CD-Pils.  Sadly, I can't seem to find it anymore here in the US.

Great Google-Fu! Obviously, I gave up too early.

And quetzal, thanks for being pedantic; actually it makes sense. So the Creator allowed the species to survive in the Ammersee just for us.

Date: 2010/07/22 07:00:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Quack @ July 21 2010,11:22)
My relief is that I am 80. We were happier with Thor, Odin and Valhalla.

As a Bavarian, I feel we were happier with Epona.  :)

As a German, I have followed this thread very attentively, given our nefarious past. We share a lot of the problems and discussions described by Schroedinger's Dog, and I suppose we all agree that nobody is excused from respecting the law based on religious motives. Maybe we even agree that public institutions should be entitled to ask clients to enter unmasked.
Should the owner of a restaurant/supermarket/shop enjoy the same privilege? I can see a series of lawsuits right now. That means judges would have to decide where politicians have failed.
Banning the burka is the most feeble and likely the least effective way to react to a clash of cultures. If we want to help muslim women who want to emancipate themselves, we should offer them protection and education as means of independence.
My guess is that we shall have to accept that Europe is no longer homogenous, and that we better get used to the occasional burka in our streets.

Date: 2010/07/23 01:05:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ July 22 2010,08:55)
Well, that's your opinion. Mine is that I won't accept any kind of extremist religious symbolism, whatever the religion. "Moderate" is the key word to living together...

I've always admired France's strict secularism. In Germany, muslim teachers are not allowed to wear a scarf in the classroom - after endless lawsuits. Meanwhile, in catholic Bavaria, parents must sue the principal to get the crucifix removed from the classroom. Sigh ...

Date: 2010/07/23 09:06:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
* In Germany e.g., I'm not aware of any politician/political party ever mentioning evolution at all, one way or the other.

With the exception of Karin Wolff, former minister of education of Hessen, member of the Christian Democrats, who tried to introduce the Genesis to the biology curriculum.
http://tinyurl.com/2wz3c3c
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Wolff

Date: 2010/07/23 10:49:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ July 23 2010,10:29)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 23 2010,07:06)
 
Quote
* In Germany e.g., I'm not aware of any politician/political party ever mentioning evolution at all, one way or the other.

With the exception of Karin Wolff, former minister of education of Hessen, member of the Christian Democrats, who tried to introduce the Genesis to the biology curriculum.
http://tinyurl.com/2wz3c3c
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Wolff

Leider, mein Deutsche saugt.  Zwei Jahre an der Uni, und ich noch fast Nichts kann.

Wrong uni - come to Munich.  :D

The only English article Google found was on a Trotskist site - so I didn't link to it. The English Wikipedia does not mention the incident.
Basically, she is a fundamentalist nutcase and got a severe bashing not only from scientists, but even from members of her own party.

Date: 2010/07/25 16:37:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The Explanatory Filter in action, used by Bilbo:
Quote
We rule out pseudogenes as designed largely because they don't look designed. So we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.

http://tinyurl.com/33f2tak

Date: 2010/07/26 04:19:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Would this creationist troll who confesses to use the moniker Bilbo (among others) be the one we were talking about?
http://tinyurl.com/3xkzmul

Date: 2010/07/26 10:17:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/07/26 10:20:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ July 26 2010,08:53)
The domestic bliss of the Amadanian household was shattered by an unexpected text message from No. 2 Son (aged 17), on holiday in Germany visiting his cousins. The message informed us he was OK, no worries etc.

In the absence of information about what the Hell was going on (arrest for drunken molestation of innocent females seemed a plausible explanation), we rang, to be told that he & the gang he was with had missed the train to Duisburg they had planned to take, and so arrived at the Love Parade an hour after the disaster.

I look at the pictures of the chalk outlines of bodies and just shiver.

Glad to hear your son was spared.

Date: 2010/07/26 10:22:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 26 2010,00:50)
Read Ham's article, you won't be disappointed.

And to think that DoubleDoctor must swallow it for the sake of the Big Tent ...

Date: 2010/07/27 01:23:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ July 26 2010,18:48)
P.P.S. Kattarina98 - who needs forks when you have opposable thumbs!

Date: 2010/07/28 03:53:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 27 2010,20:50)
 
Quote
The Intelligent Design Facts Institute Launches Top Rated New Website To Defend Intelligent Design Through New Scientific Research

The site itself is here.
This could become a lot of fun.


 
Quote
Intelligent Design Facts has no theological agenda or perspective.

Si tacuisses ..

Date: 2010/07/28 04:57:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
I fear, only a great and shattering disaster with long term destructive and humbling consequences will serve to open eyes to the crime against the mind, heart and soul that has been wrought.

Translation Kairofoscus: "Nudge nudge, wink wink, GOd, know what I mean ..."
http://tinyurl.com/3xpwyh4

Date: 2010/07/28 14:30:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
...but this particular charge is almost as weird as the recent claims made by Ken Ham about Bill Dembski.

ROFL
Quote
ID predicts a bannination.

Well, he survived till today, so I'm off to make my donation to MSF.

Date: 2010/07/29 04:45:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Denyse is back:

And utterly confused DATCG, blissfully ignorant of WAD's past, mentions that
Quote
One of my ancestors, great, great Aunt was a member of the first co-ed graduating class of Baylor University in Waco. Today what a few people sowed has turned into a world-class university in many areas.

Did she like the food?

Date: 2010/07/29 04:56:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Meanwhile, a certain Petrushka Strawinsky made a donation to MSF to celebrate the fact that in spite of provoking uncivil attacks from the ususal gang of IDiots by providing rational arguments for ToE he has not yet been banninated:

Date: 2010/07/29 12:22:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ July 29 2010,12:12)
Conclusion: StephenB is full of FAIL (and shit).

At least he had the presence of mind to mention that it is actually Luskin's FAIL, the weasel.

Date: 2010/07/30 04:17:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 30 2010,02:56)
Rumor has it that he and BA77 are engaged.

Gil Dodgen is jealous:
 
Quote
Granville,
Anyone with an IQ above room temperature should be able to figure this out, unless, of course, his reasoning powers in this arena have been completely inactivated by Darwinian anti-logic.

And to curry favour, in the very next comment he proudly announces his contribution to science:
 
Quote
I’ve recently made my chef-d’œuvre artificial-intelligence computer program available for free download at my website:

Date: 2010/08/02 08:23:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I was wondering just how long it would take for someone to mention Hitler in Barry Arrington's thread "Traipsing Into Theology".
Then I thought, "No, not this time." However,  just after 20 comments, it started.

Date: 2010/08/02 10:36:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The other day, midwifetoad make a tongue-in-cheek comment on the PT Lamarck-thread. Just how tongue-in-cheek is this? Did we miss his/her birthday?

Date: 2010/08/03 04:22:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 03 2010,03:15)
BTW, I am admiring Aiguy's contributions to UD.

He's brilliant!
No way he allows Kairosfoscus to derail the thread:
 
Quote
Kairos,
"First, what we are discussing is not first life in absolute, but first life on earth in light of the observed life forms in the world around us and the record of the fossils."

Perhaps you’d like to talk about that, but Meyer is talking about “the first living cell”, period.

Date: 2010/08/03 06:29:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Didn't expect that, did you:

"Brass Bridge"

And this move is legal since Queen Mum used it during the Royal Family Christmas Tournament on Boxing Day, 1978.

Date: 2010/08/03 12:49:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 03 2010,12:29)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 02 2010,10:36)
The other day, midwifetoad make a tongue-in-cheek comment on the PT Lamarck-thread. Just how tongue-in-cheek is this? Did we miss his/her birthday?

Midwifetoad celebrates a virtural birthday in honor of Larmark. Sorry for any confusion.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax....fe_Toad

If you are really sorry why not insert your birthday in your profile now?   :p

Date: 2010/08/03 13:17:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Vividbleau is actually listening to Aiguy's arguments
Quote
KF I hate to disagree with you

and Kairosfoscus spends 3228 words in four consecutive posts to bring her to heel. Will he succeed?
Compliments to Aiguy!

Date: 2010/08/03 13:29:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 03 2010,13:21)
.... including some with nasty stalkers?

Yes, some of those guys at AtBC tend to make rather clumsy advances to each other when they are drunk. ;-)

Date: 2010/08/04 04:06:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/08/04 08:02:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Aug. 04 2010,04:13)
 
Quote
"When dragons belch and hippos flee
My thoughts, Ankh-Morpork, are of thee
Let others boast of martial dash
For we have boldly fought with cash
We own all your helmets, we own all your shoes
We own all your generals - touch us and you'll lose.

Morporkia! Morporkia!
Morporkia owns the day!
We can rule you wholesale
Touch us and you'll pay.

We bankrupt all invaders, we sell them souvenirs
We ner ner ner ner ner, hner ner hner by the ears
Er hner we ner ner ner ner ner
Ner ner her ner ner ner hner the ner
Er ner ner hner ner, nher hner ner ner (etc.)
Ner hner ner, your gleaming swords
We mortgaged to the hilt

Morporkia! Morporkia!
Hner ner ner ner ner ner
We can rule you wholesale
Credit where it's due."


The Ankh-Morpork Anthem!

(puts down pet dragon and grabs Kleenex)

Date: 2010/08/04 08:09:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 04 2010,04:11)
No no no no no no no. Okay, yes.

Canada Water.

Louis

But you lose time because you visit nearby
http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/whats-on.php?event=53856

In the meantime, I got off at

"Unseen University"

and am sneaking into the Library from where I can get ... just anywhere!

Date: 2010/08/04 11:34:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 04 2010,11:09)
Gordon Mullings is a liar.

Good find, OM. Petrushka will teach him not to violate the Ten Commandments.

BTW, your second and your third link refer to the same site.

Date: 2010/08/04 11:43:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Gordon Mullings on his way to Hollywood as the next script writer for a thriller about the greatest conspiration ever:
 
Quote
They controlled the scientific journals — the journal Nature was founded in part to promote the campaign — and manipulated academic appointments.   ...The Darwinists adopted a flexible approach which deflected opposition, minimized infighting among themselves, and made it easy for others to join their campaign

A bold and novel approach ... or a bold and novel projection?

And Denyse has produced a journalistic highlight by C+P from the DI complete with a grammar mistake.

Date: 2010/08/04 15:30:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
"The Consensus of Scientists" is a mine of really scary tard:

William S. Murray is a Ghostbuster:  
Quote
... if demons do exist, and haunt us, how exactly is science going to account for it, if we must at all costs avoid it? ...
Gods, demons, and whatever else must not be excluded from scientific inquiry on an a priori basis for any reason, least of all for the purposes of sticking with such a problematic, self-refuting perspective as materialism.

I do hope rockyr is a Poe - else you scientists better watch it
 
Quote

These twisty arrogant “small” or “small-minded” in-your-face logically inconsistent fools are hard to suffer, and I suppose that is why they used to burn them at the stake, like Giordano Bruno. (Who was another simpering gutless fool, one of the last to be actually burned.)

Quoting and correcting Maya, above threatens:
 
Quote
“In other words, ID’s explanation is limited to explaining away darwinism.”
Actually, it’s the other way around. Not only explaining it away but barring it altogether.

Chris Doyle describes the Apocalypse in Great Britain:
 
Quote
I’m surprised that Mike is questioning the influence of atheism in many important institutions. Is Mike an American? That might explain it. I’m British and there really is no doubt that schools, universities, the media, the government, businesses, etc are all fully in the grips of atheist thinking.

And Kairosfoscus is bullying Maya in practically all of his posts.

Date: 2010/08/05 11:00:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Maya @ Aug. 05 2010,08:52)
Clivebaby has a man crush on Robert Marks.

In the same OP, we learn that  
Quote
He has amassed ... (a) huge set of government research grants.

So what about ID being excluded from public funding by the Darwinian conspiration?

(Maya, sorry about my mistake.)

Date: 2010/08/05 16:48:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ Aug. 05 2010,16:07)
Look who's back commenting at UD (and, of course, it's ID Dickhead #2 who notices first):    
Quote

20
Upright BiPed

08/05/2010

10:21 am

Joseph,

Glad you are back.


Actually, I am too.  Joe brings the TARD like no one else.  

Unless......

Clivebaby bans him for his off-site conduct?  Oh noes!  His  fairness and impartiality in such matters is legendary!  Joe is surely doomed!  Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Joseph spoils the love fest for Marks, the new Darwin:
 
Quote
Umm Clive, Darwin was wrong…

Date: 2010/08/06 07:05:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 06 2010,06:43)
It's official!
New book announcement: William A. Dembski and Denyse O’Leary slam “Christian Darwinism” in forthcoming book
...
Contact: Denyse O’Leary oleary@sympatico.ca

Note to sock: Rave about the information to be found at BioLogos.

Date: 2010/08/06 16:46:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98


I'm off to Scotland, some more unconformities, the Tattoo Festival and a wee dram.

Date: 2010/08/21 14:05:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 20 2010,14:55)
... but especially enjoys high-school students ...
   

Do their parents know about his preferences?

Date: 2010/08/21 14:18:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Back from Scotland and ready to plaster the Wall with photos!
Warning: The fossils' scientific names are just my very uneducated guesses.
Mytiloid bivalve?
Demosponge Choiella scotica? (Grapefruit sized)
Worm burrow
Koninckophyllum?
Lithostrotion sp.

The National Museum in Edinburgh takes no chances:



Btw, the tobacco company paid me a nice bribe to use their product for scale.

Date: 2010/08/21 15:59:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 19 2010,16:49)
 
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 19 2010,14:36)
   
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Aug. 19 2010,15:25)
New game: guess the poster!  The following wordle is from a thread from a year ago...


Too easy, it has Lewontin, GEM, and TKI in it.

(the file name of the .jpg was also a bit revealing)

Perhaps I should have named it GordonMullings.jpg  Almost nobody knows that GEM of TKI is Gordon Mullings, otherwise he would not  freak out when he is referred to by name.

OMG, troy outed him on Corny's spin-off:
 
Quote
In honor of a new contributor to this blog, Gordon E. Mullings, one might even call such attacks on Darwin strawmen soaked in the oil of ad hominem and ignited to poison the atmosphere, or something like that.

Date: 2010/08/23 03:20:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
rockyr reveals shocking truth:
Quote
Besides, it is a rather curious trivia that Wallace discovered natural selection in a fit of delirium, see for example here: ...
One could or should be also curious about how Darwin discovered natural selection — Darwin suffered from a mysterious disease, and was consequently often medicated by his wife’s opiate based home remedy.

Fess up, Darwinists: You are all stoned, aren't you?

Date: 2010/08/23 08:19:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Now will Clive allow € 20 to go to those evilutionists? Or will his urge to banninate for Jesus be insurmountable?

Date: 2010/08/23 13:03:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 23 2010,08:03)
 
Quote (BillB @ Aug. 23 2010,03:04)
 
Quote (BillB @ Aug. 23 2010,08:57)
Just flipped back to UD after looking at it earlier this morning - is it me or have a whole load of blog entries just disappeared?

A glitch in the matrix - they must have changed something!

Corny's "The Gene Myth" post (were there several - Pt 1, Pt 2, etc?) seems to be one of the victims.

Could the public naming of GEM be to blame?

Can the deletion of information result in a net increase in functional information?

A fiendishly ironic poster called jurassicmac notices the disappearance - will his comment survive?
 
Quote
As an unrelated note, I must commend the editors of UD for removing the links to Cornelius Hunter’s latest series of articles, the third of which is currently titled “The Gene Myth.” The premise and arguments of the articles were ridiculous, and far inferior to his other articles. The arguments, even if true, were completely irrelevant to the evolution debate, and reflected badly on ID. I’m glad this was recognized and remedied.

Date: 2010/08/23 16:15:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98


His younger brother.

Date: 2010/08/23 16:24:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Clive the philospher:
Quote
Seeing two things connected physically does not connect them philosophically. And since I can see no philosophical necessity behind anything observed in nature, we cannot say that it really is a necessity, and cannot say why it couldn’t have been otherwise.

After thousands of tests, there is still that nagging doubt in the true philosopher's mind... it just might not work the next time.

Date: 2010/08/24 07:25:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/08/24 08:54:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
So where did YECs get those 6,000 years from?

As Jack Repcheck explains in the second chapter of
The Man Who Found Time: James Hutton and the Discovery of the Earth's Antiquity,
not by meticulously adding lifespans mentioned in the Old Testament.
 
Quote
This belief came from a conflation of various revered nonbiblical writings and specific passages from the Bible. ... There was found the famous prophesy ascribed to the prophet Elijah that stated the world would exist for 6,000 years.

And Repcheck goes on to show how for 2,000 years Christian apologists frantically tried to cram history into those 6,000 years, squeezing the past, i.e. recalculating periods mentioned in the Bible, and stretching the future to leave a comfortable space so that the end of the world would not happen during their lifetime.

Date: 2010/08/24 10:10:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Aug. 24 2010,09:39)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 24 2010,08:54)
So where did YECs get those 6,000 years from?
... stretching the future to leave a comfortable space so that the end of the world would not happen during their lifetime.

And now, the Christian Apologists have "devolved" to actually WANT the end of days to happen to them!  What a bunch of morans!

Repcheck thinks that those apologists who left said comfortable space were not afraid of Doomsday but of being disproven by the event not taking place after all.    :-D

Date: 2010/08/24 13:00:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 24 2010,10:59)
Calling shenanigans on this.

The Jewish religion has always counted years since Creation, and they're just shy of 5800. Bishop Ussher was a johnny come lately in Biblical chronology.

There is also a strong eschatological belief in Judaism in a 6000 year period to be followed by a 1000 year "Sabbath" of Messianic rule, followed by God knows what. Ps 90:4 says,  
Quote
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.


The first half of that is what motivates Jewish 6000 year thinking. Of course, when Rosh Hashanah 6000 rolls around with no Mashiach, they can focus on the second half. "A watch in the night" is roughly an hour, so the Messianic Age is pushed far into the future.

ps - the Jewish calendar really needs the Messiah to help press reset on its calculations of the seasons, which were set almost 2000 years ago and have gone ever so slightly off. The problem is well known in Orthodox circles, but contra the Pope and fatwa-issuing Islamic clerics, no rabbi would ever claim the authority to change things now.

So it seems whereas the various Christian apologists tampered with the numbers over the millenia, Jews just stuck to their chronology? Or did I misunderstand you?

Date: 2010/08/25 10:50:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 24 2010,15:37)
Bottom line - Jews have had a consistent understanding of the age of the earth since the beginning of rabbinic Judaism (at least). I'm not a student of historical Christian eschatology, but I've never heard of the idea that Christian authors have continually redefined what 6000 years means so that their own times were always just shy of 6000.

You have a point, I should have given more information. So here goes:

325 Council of Nicea: Eusebius of Caesarea presented his chronology which was based on Flavius Josephus, Julius Africanus (a Christian, born ca. 160) and the Septuagint. In 395, St. Jerome translated Eusebius's book and the Bible into Latin, and thus determined the style for official chronology for the next 1,400 years.
The first part of the Septuagint, the Pentateuch, contains the genealogy of the Hebrew tribes, starting from Adam and Eve.
Quote
For Eusebius and all future chronologists, these explicit life spans were always the starting point.

While Josephus Flavius in his Antiquities had used only the Bible, Julius Africanus had used the Bible, comparing it to Greek, Egyptian, and Persian sources.
Quote
Julius's first task was to determine how much time had elapsed from the birth of Adam, which was five days after the beginning of Creation, to the Deluge, or Noah's Flood. Using the ages of the descendants of Adam detailed in the aSeptuagint, Julius determined that the rains started 2,261 years after Creation. He believed that the Flood lasted twelve months, thus the year 2262 marks the beginning of the post-Flood period.
The next chapter in the Chronologia covers the period from when Noah first stepped off the ark to when the great father of the Jews, Abrahem, entered the Promised Land. Julius calculated that this period lasted another 1,015 years. So Abraham crossed the Euphrates River into Canaan in the year 3277. By Julius's reckoning, Abraham represented the twentieth generation after Adam. ...
From Exodus on, Julius's chore became more difficult because the Book of Moses, which had paid such close attention to the ages of the Hebrew forefathers, comes to an end. Not to be deterred, Julius calculated that 585 years separated the Ten Commandments and the dedication of the great Jewish temple in Jerusalem, built by King Solomon, bringing the chronology up to the year 429. ... Finally, the birth of Jesus Christ took place in the 5,500th year after Creation.
Julius brought his Chronologia up to A.D. 221, the year he completed his book ... stating that Jesus Christ was born five and one-half millennia after the beginning of time. This was significant, because Julius was not simply writing a world history with a focus on dates. In fact, his real purpose was to give context to biblical prophesy. He was most concerned with predicting the second coming of Christ, the thousand-year reign described in the Book of Revelation, ...

And this is the important bit:
Quote
Julius predicted that the present world would continue until the year A.D. 500 - 6,000 years after Creation. ... All future chronologists would calculate the earth's age to be 6,000 years at the time of the Second Coming. ... James Usher would date the beginning of the world at 4004 B.C.; this gave him nearly 350 years until the end of the sixth millennium.

In the next paragraphs Repcheck describes the Talmud, much like you did.
Then he talks about the obvious problem arising with the Second Coming never taking place when predicted:
Quote
Julius's and Eusebius's careful works would be the benchmarks for alll future chronologists; ... But, their successors would continually push back the end of the 6,000 years, as each threshold for the Second Coming neared. St. Jerome, Eusebius's translator, was the first to practice this form of recalculation; he placed the birth of Christ at 5,2000 years since Creation, putting off the end of the sixth millennium until A.D. 800. This kind of fudging was easily done because there was enough uncertainty in the original figures to allow for reinterpretation. The remaining chronologists were consistent in putting off the end of the sixth millennium until a couple of hundred years after their own deaths.

After the collapse of the Roman Empire many new chronologies cropped up.
Repcheck mentions the most important authors: Isidor of Sevilla, Bede the Venerable, Joachim of Fiore, Otto of Freising, Martin Luther.
Quote
... he made a significant adjustment for the end of the sixth millennium ... this giving his Protestant followers nearly 500 years to prepare for the return of Christ.

More chronologists: James Ussher, Johannes Kepler, and Isaac Newton.

I hope I have quoted and interpreted Repcheck faithfully.

Date: 2010/08/25 10:52:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bjarne @ Aug. 25 2010,07:23)
Quote (Bjarne @ July 06 2010,22:45)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 06 2010,13:41)
 
Quote (Bjarne @ July 05 2010,16:46)
Hmm, this might be the perfect birthday present for my dad. Though € 50 is a bit much for a comic book for my taste. Is it worth the money?

I think it is - it's huge, approximately 20 by 30 cm, elegant lay-out, expensive paper, and the drawings are real artwork.

Thanks. Its now definitely on the list of possible presents. :)

Bought it for him and it really makes a great appearance. Unfortunately, I've hadn't heard yet, if he liked it.

Please tell me when you hear from him.

Date: 2010/08/25 10:56:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 24 2010,21:01)
Seems as good a place as any to post this.

My Amazon review of Robert Richards book on Haeckel has attracted an IDiot who is claiming that modern textbooks have the original Haeckel drawings. After a bit of taunting, he posted a list of books where He (or some other idiot he is quoting) claims that this figure appears. I've got some of them, and he's wrong about those. But I don't have all of them. So if any of you have a collection of old textbooks, take a peek at his list and let me know if he is right about that figure being in any of them!

thanks

Dave

Over at UD, IDiots GEM of TKI and gpuccio made this claim, referring to a list made by Casey Luskin. When pressed to provide evidence, it turned out that no matter what image you use - photos or modern drawings - it is always Haeckel's drawing. Would you like me to find the relevant comments?

Date: 2010/08/25 11:18:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:07)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 25 2010,10:56)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 24 2010,21:01)
Seems as good a place as any to post this.

My Amazon review of Robert Richards book on Haeckel has attracted an IDiot who is claiming that modern textbooks have the original Haeckel drawings. After a bit of taunting, he posted a list of books where He (or some other idiot he is quoting) claims that this figure appears. I've got some of them, and he's wrong about those. But I don't have all of them. So if any of you have a collection of old textbooks, take a peek at his list and let me know if he is right about that figure being in any of them!

thanks

Dave

Over at UD, IDiots GEM of TKI and gpuccio made this claim, referring to a list made by Casey Luskin. When pressed to provide evidence, it turned out that no matter what image you use - photos or modern drawings - it is always Haeckel's drawing. Would you like me to find the relevant comments?

Thanks. I think I found it here. If there is another discussion I missed, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well!

On UD, there was the thread Blind Guides.

Date: 2010/08/25 12:09:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:34)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:18)
 
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 25 2010,11:07)
     
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Aug. 25 2010,10:56)
     
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 24 2010,21:01)
Seems as good a place as any to post this.

My Amazon review of Robert Richards book on Haeckel has attracted an IDiot who is claiming that modern textbooks have the original Haeckel drawings. After a bit of taunting, he posted a list of books where He (or some other idiot he is quoting) claims that this figure appears. I've got some of them, and he's wrong about those. But I don't have all of them. So if any of you have a collection of old textbooks, take a peek at his list and let me know if he is right about that figure being in any of them!

thanks

Dave

Over at UD, IDiots GEM of TKI and gpuccio made this claim, referring to a list made by Casey Luskin. When pressed to provide evidence, it turned out that no matter what image you use - photos or modern drawings - it is always Haeckel's drawing. Would you like me to find the relevant comments?

Thanks. I think I found it here. If there is another discussion I missed, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well!

On UD, there was the thread Blind Guides.

Thanks

Looks like pretty much the same list!

Some pictures here:
You need to scroll down a bit.

Date: 2010/08/25 14:12:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Aug. 25 2010,13:16)
(snip)
Repcheck's thesis in this section is easy for a secular reader to buy into, but his breezy retelling and attribution of motive are to my mind untrustworthy based on what I know about some of the material.

Well, I'm a secular reader, and though I am interested in history of religions, I read this book to learn about Hutton and his era.
Repcheck's main interest is to show the intellectual climate that made it difficult for Hutton to publish his theory - some decades ago heretics still suffered capital punishment in Scotland.
So if Repcheck misrepresented the part you mentioned we still do not know if the same goes for Christian chronology. I can't imagine he simply invented its history, especially its repeated recalculating.
I have half a mind to contact Heddle - besides browsing the net, of course, or going to the library.

Date: 2010/08/26 03:05:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (MichaelJ @ Aug. 25 2010,18:50)
(snip)

I just had to look and what struck me first was how literally she takes everything:

"The information race between bats and a favoured prey, moths, is described as an arms race (it is actually a race to interpret clicks. Neither party is armed, and certainly not the moth.)"

When I read her OP, I thought she just saw an occasion to emphasize the IDiots' buzzword, "information" by critisizing "arms race". Of course, however, she takes everything literally. I bet she thinks moths are just those pesky things that want to devour her WAD's cardigan..

Date: 2010/08/26 11:09:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/08/27 06:38:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Remember when johnnyb tried to unify ID proponenstists with BioLogos?

Clive breaks the truce, inviting his sheeple to attack Giberson.

Date: 2010/08/27 09:35:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 27 2010,06:56)
Dembski's former boss, Albert Mohler, declares evolution and Christianity to be incompatible.

Comments are open over there.

And on the same topic, commenters at UD seem to rejoice that finally there is no more pretending to be scientific. It's like a dam has broken.

Date: 2010/08/27 10:13:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 26 2010,16:53)
You guys are awesome.   I'm keeping those pictures!

For my birfday, I want Dembski to visit ATBC.

Wait till Christmas.

Date: 2010/08/27 11:50:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe G. didn't read Clive's latest OP. At Corny's spin-off he boldly states:
 
Quote
Creationists do not deny that evolution occurs.

Date: 2010/08/28 02:41:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 27 2010,19:38)
...  I wrote an item today about the relationship between giant pandas, red pandas and a variety of other carnivores.  

Did you know red pandas are more closely related to skunks, raccoons, and seals and walruses than they are to any bears?

This item doesn't happen to be online, does it?
(Crosses her fingers)

Date: 2010/08/28 04:04:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Uh-oh! Clive has kept Petrushka's comments in moderation for quite some time, some of them for twelve hours.
And I wonder if this is a veiled threat:
 
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You quoted what I wrote only in part and then changed the subject ... I’ve noticed you change the subject quite often.

Date: 2010/08/28 05:36:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Seversky @ Aug. 28 2010,04:29)
... The auditoria would be rigged so that anyone, whether candidate or questioner, who, in Barry's opinion, spoke out of turn would be instantly plunged through a trapdoor into the dark and dusty basement below, never to be heard again.

Thank you for making me laugh - and spilling my coffe all over the keyboard!   ;-)

Date: 2010/08/28 10:41:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 28 2010,09:18)
....Kat, the item isn't online, but the reference article is here: Whence the Red Panda, Flynn et. al.

Thank you! I have just finished reading it, it's amazing. Plus it seems like a lot of work went into it.

Creationist: "Scientists can never make up their minds about species!"

Date: 2010/08/28 17:21:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/08/29 04:11:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Corny, lay off the booze - shouldn't you be in church instead of building pathetic strawmen? After all, it's Sunday.
Quote
And then there is the complaint that those mutations really aren’t random. So the mutations knew what to design? Of course not, but, but …

But what? Of course the mutations are random with respect to the design. And that is issue at hand.

Or there is the retort that natural selection remedies all. Those mutations aren’t random at all, they have been selected by a reproductive differential. But of course this after the fact selection does not dictate which mutations should occur.

Is he really that stupid? Either he still doesn't get it, or he is an abysmally bad liar.

Date: 2010/08/29 09:08:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The Vibrant Dance of Faith and Science - thrilling symposium !!!!1one!!
List of speakers:
Seriously, those members of BioLogos have the patience of saints.

Date: 2010/08/29 09:48:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
P.S. I mentioned BioLogos because they are advertising it on their blog.

Date: 2010/08/30 04:04:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DiEb @ Aug. 30 2010,02:20)
(snip) - and thanks for the kind acknowledgment!

I thought you were joking until I checked the paper. So they want to secure your help for future projects - and you give it for free, too.
 
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I'm afraid that I have still a problem with the paper (which I mentioned in an email to R. Marks and on which I elaborated here), but I hope that this will be resolved by more careful reading :-)
Will the link survive?

Date: 2010/08/30 10:56:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 27 2010,18:44)
... We get an interesting glimpse into Barry's second job as the treasurer of MichelePAC, ...

ID followers know that scientists are just arrogant elitists without a clue. But now we find out that B. Arrington despises specialists in general - or why did he develop Bachmann's site without the help of a graphic designer? This is the crappiest site I've seen for quite some time.

Date: 2010/08/31 05:54:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks to Corny's liberal moderation, we get some nice examples of Joe G's foul mouth:

About Anthony Flew's conversion:  
Quote
t was only "controversial" to the hardcore atheists with a hard-on for Flew.

Mocking another poster:  
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Thorton's position:

I spare you a long list of his comments, it's just the usual blind, chemical process tard.

Date: 2010/08/31 09:32:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DiEb @ Aug. 31 2010,09:12)
Just for archiving: I added this comment to B. Arrington's post..
 
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Just for something completely different: The thread on the new paper of R. Marks II and W. Dembski <i>A Search for the Search</i> doesn't allow for commenting. I suppose that there is quite an interest in discussing this paper here at Uncommon Descent. Can't the thread be opened for comments? Or can another post be created for the discussion? Thanks!

You might consider posting it on Corny's blog. He doesn't censure comments.

Date: 2010/08/31 09:50:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Aug. 31 2010,08:08)
For those who can read french or have a good translator, I found this interesting bit about debate tactics:

debate logics

 
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Mon père et ma mère déclarent que la tisane d'excréments d'oies est bonne pour les migraines.


Haha! This is you:

Date: 2010/08/31 13:08:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DiEb @ Aug. 31 2010,09:12)
Just for archiving: I added this comment to B. Arrington's post..
 
Quote
Just for something completely different: The thread on the new paper of R. Marks II and W. Dembski <i>A Search for the Search</i> doesn't allow for commenting. I suppose that there is quite an interest in discussing this paper here at Uncommon Descent. Can't the thread be opened for comments? Or can another post be created for the discussion? Thanks!

Ta-daaa!

Date: 2010/09/01 10:25:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Happy birthday!

Date: 2010/09/01 14:08:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Zachriel quoted a paper on Corny's spin-off on Bugs with Bifocals - Niwa et al., Evolutionary origin of the insect wing via integration of two developmental modules, Evolution & Development 2010 -, but it is not free to view. However, there is a free description of what the scientists found, nice and easy for laypersons:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech....N_N.htm
It is for Zachriel to decide if usaToday is correct and if he wants to offer it to the IDiots..

Date: 2010/09/01 18:41:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 01 2010,16:41)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 01 2010,16:32)
LOLs @ 45 mins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....d#!

(snip) ... and tell him to and get to the damn point.

I've watched the video - he has not got any point.
I'm so disappointed. He is a mouse, not even a weasel. I expected to see someone like the Joker - and he is supposed to whip his audience into a religious frenzy?
Richard, thanks for the link.

Date: 2010/09/02 04:37:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Sorry, ToysRUs was out of pandas.

Date: 2010/09/02 07:54:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 02 2010,07:27)
God Didn't Create Universe, Says Hawking

How long before Densye doubles up in a tardic spasm?

Bonus point: how long before a commenter drags Hawking's disability into it?

Or she will pounce on the book's title: The Grand Design. In scientific context, it seems this word is sure to trigger a "gotcha" reaction from the IDiots.

Date: 2010/09/02 10:21:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 02 2010,09:04)
Can't we all just get a longneck?

Is it one of those?
(Must.buy.yet.another.dictionary.of.modern.slang)

Date: 2010/09/02 10:53:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
In the middle of the Vastness of the Universe, Kairosfocus spots yet another miracle: The solar system has a special set of natural laws!  
Quote
In short, the observation that a local cluster of laws and parameters seems to be irreducibly complexly fine-tuned to permit C-Chemistry, cell based, intelligent life is more than enough to be wondrous.

Date: 2010/09/02 14:19:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DNA_Jock @ Sep. 02 2010,13:15)
Ah! Reminds me of Warty Bliggens

Date: 2010/09/02 14:27:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (MichaelJ @ Sep. 02 2010,02:35)
So when is BarryA or Dense going to write the Darwinism leads to this thread

Here you are.
Another prediction come true, thanks to Slimy Sal Cordova.

Date: 2010/09/02 15:03:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Of course! Welcome!
Your handle was so familiar that I didn't stop to think - you are new to AtBC. Have you been banninated?
(Because if so, I must pay the Anti-Bannination-Insurance to the National Center for Science Education  ;-)

Date: 2010/09/03 06:05:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 02 2010,07:54)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 02 2010,07:27)
God Didn't Create Universe, Says Hawking

How long before Densye doubles up in a tardic spasm?

Bonus point: how long before a commenter drags Hawking's disability into it?

Or she will pounce on the book's title: The Grand Design. In scientific context, it seems this word is sure to trigger a "gotcha" reaction from the IDiots.

I can haz predicshun:
CannuckianYankee
 
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I like the euphemism of his title: “The Grand Design.” Once again, materialists using the language of design in order to simply deny it.

Date: 2010/09/03 11:11:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 02 2010,07:27)
God Didn't Create Universe, Says Hawking

How long before Densye doubles up in a tardic spasm?

Bonus point: how long before a commenter drags Hawking's disability into it?

Amadan can haz predicshun, too: Someone dragged his disability into it, Gordon, IIRC.

Date: 2010/09/03 11:25:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 03 2010,11:11)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 02 2010,07:27)
God Didn't Create Universe, Says Hawking
......
Bonus point: how long before a commenter drags Hawking's disability into it?

Amadan can haz predicshun, too: Someone dragged his disability into it, Gordon, IIRC.

Found it. Actually, Gordon makes a very friendly comment:  
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First, let us note the inspiring example of a man who has fought a terrible disease for decades, and prevails in his work despite such odds.

Date: 2010/09/03 13:38:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Sal Cordova lifts his little hindleg at AtBC:, quoting the Darwinist gunman's manifesto:
 
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Talk about Evolution. Talk about Malthus and Darwin until it sinks into the stupid people’s brains until they get it!!

Darwinist Gunman Lee


That could be the slogan for PandasThumb, the NCSE, Nick Matzke, TalkOrigin.org, and Wes Elsberry’s ATBC!

Date: 2010/09/04 05:17:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Slimy Sal could't resist to quotemine Darwin:
 
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Reminds me of the life of another evolutionist:
"I was much given to inventing deliberate falsehoods, and this was always done for the sake of causing excitement”
Charles Darwin

As usual, the context changes the picture:
 
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One little event during this year has fixed itself very firmly in my mind, and I hope that it has done so from my conscience having been afterwards sorely troubled by it; it is curious as showing that apparently I was interested at this early age in the variability of plants! I told another little boy (I believe it was Leighton, who afterwards became a well-known lichenologist and botanist), that I could produce variously coloured polyanthuses and primroses by watering them with certain coloured fluids, which was of course a monstrous fable, and had never been tried by me. I may here also confess that as a little boy I was much given to inventing deliberate falsehoods, and this was always done for the sake of causing excitement.

Date: 2010/09/04 13:02:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Schroedinger! I just heard the news about those huge manifestations against the deportation of Sinti and Roma in France. Congratulations!!!
(My grandfather was of Sinti/Roma descent.)

Date: 2010/09/04 13:14:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hey Clive, you know what you did when you banned DNYjock, don't you? Keep banning posters if you want to support real science.

Date: 2010/09/05 15:23:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 05 2010,14:54)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 05 2010,12:45)
   
Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 05 2010,19:45)
Mathgrrl is doing an excellent job of tying the UD regulars up in knots on the "Media Mum about Deranged Darwinist Gunman" thread.

I wonder how long she will survive before they decide that embarrassing them with their own incoherence is uncivil.

Anyone?

Clive?

I can haz linkies?

Here's a link to the thread.

Yes, this thread is comedy gold. Mathgrrl asks the "Gretchenfrage" - define information - and pandemonium ensues.
BA: 1172 words, Gordon: 448 words, a snarks from Canuckian Yankee  
Quote
Could you please provide a mathematical definition of “definition,” so that any interested observer can objectively measure it, and thus know exactly what you’re referring to?
and tgpeeler admits defeat:    
Quote
Mathgrrl @ 39 “Could you please provide a mathematical definition of “functional information” so that any interested observer can objectively measure it?”

No. I can’t. Regrets. You are free to try. To take CY one step further, while you’re at it, perhaps you could also provide a mathematical definition of each word in the phrase “Could you please provide … so that any interested observer can objectively measure it?” That way I might be able to understand your question. Because right now I think it’s irrelevant. Thanks.

Then a rant from Sal Cordova about values in which he wants to become the new Denyse ... it's unbelievable

Date: 2010/09/06 02:48:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ Sep. 05 2010,19:45)
Mathgrrl is having none of it:      
Quote
(snip)
Asking for definitions in order to understand someone’s argument is “pure rhetoric”? Actually, I am doing tgpeeler the courtesy of taking his points seriously and spending my time and intellectual effort to understand them better. You, on the other hand, are being remarkably uncivil by casting baseless aspersions on my intentions.
(snip)
I could go down the rathole you’re attempting to dig by explaining how mathematicians define terms, but that would simply distract from the main point of the discussion (which, I suspect, is your goal).
The point is that terms of art like “functional information” must be rigorously defined before they are used. The inability of tgpeeler or yourself to do so means that any claims about functional information are quite literally meaningless.

If you would like to respond to my courtesy with courtesy, I would be delighted to continue the discussion with you. If, instead, you want to persist in your attempts at distraction, I’ll spend my time with the more civil participants here.

Uh-oh, I can see another 20 Euro going to NCSE.

Date: 2010/09/06 11:21:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
May I borrow the Dodgenator?
 
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As many UD readers know, I was once a classical concert pianist. ...

I had the privilege and blessing of studying music from the age of seven with a wonderful piano teacher — Ruby Bailey, a graduate of the Eastman Conservatory and wife of the chairman of the department of music at Washington State University. After all the instruction, practice, rehearsal, music theory, and the rest, whenever I went out to perform she would always tell me: “Just think about what you want to say.”

To suggest that Darwinian evolution through random errors filtered by natural selection explains all of this is simply absurd on its face.

Date: 2010/09/06 11:24:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Edit:
Quote
I had the privilege and blessing of studying music from the age of seven with a wonderful piano teacher — Ruby Bailey, a graduate of the Eastman Conservatory and wife of the chairman of the department of music at Washington State University. After all the instruction, practice, rehearsal, music theory, and the rest, whenever I went out to perform she would always tell me: “Just think about what you want to say.


(I left out his praise of a pianist)

Quote
To suggest that Darwinian evolution through random errors filtered by natural selection explains all of this is simply absurd on its face.

Date: 2010/09/06 13:37:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I hope Mathgrrl visits AtBC.
Quote
Frankly, I’m very surprised to see the resistance to providing detailed definitions. ID makes claims about the real world. How do you propose to test those claims without knowing how to measure the quantities that you are discussing?

Date: 2010/09/06 18:42:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
This is not gpuccio's lucky day - he is under fire on two threads, this time coming from BarryR:
 
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I’m making the assumption here that you’re bringing forward your best arguments. Stating I’m wrong because the world “model” can have other meanings when used outside of discussions of philosophy of mind tells me much more about the quality of your arguments than it does about mine.

Look, perhaps I’m not being fair to you. I have a passing familiarity with this literature and you obviously do not. I can scare up a reading list if you would like to remedy this, and then we might rejoin the conversation when we have more of a shared vocabulary.

BarryR seems to be begging to be banned, and he does it with style.

Date: 2010/09/07 01:33:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 06 2010,15:30)
 
Quote
Having not grown up with blackletter, that capital V looked like a D to me at first.

"What? Really? How very odd these Germans are..."


Allow me to say, in the name of my fellow citizens here:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!... and shit..

Look, just because I didn't invite you, too ...

And for the record: I am Bavarian, European, and happen to be a citizen of Germany.

Date: 2010/09/07 04:07:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 07 2010,01:53)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 07 2010,07:33)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 06 2010,15:30)
     
Quote
Having not grown up with blackletter, that capital V looked like a D to me at first.

"What? Really? How very odd these Germans are..."


Allow me to say, in the name of my fellow citizens here:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!... and shit..

Look, just because I didn't invite you, too ...

And for the record: I am Bavarian, European, and happen to be a citizen of Germany.

???

I was just laughin at the excellent pun on "doucher", because, let's face it, the "V" in gothic font does look like a "D".

I didn't mean to be rude or anything.

Sometimes, I hate the internetz.
I found both your posts great and had a good laugh. Sorry I sounded exasperated, i.d. could not convey that I was joking

Date: 2010/09/07 05:40:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 06 2010,20:29)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 06 2010,14:21)
Horseboy:

Why didn't you ever get a POTW for that masterpiece?

Because I am waiting for one of you lazy bastards to make a "Most Useful, Longest Lasting, Funniest Fucking Comment EVAH" graphic to hang on it.







Date: 2010/09/08 02:38:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 07 2010,05:40)

Yay!

Date: 2010/09/08 02:59:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 07 2010,09:04)
re:  Schrodigers Dog & Kattarina comments - Just chalk it up to the damn language barrier between France & Germany - it's like The Hoff vs Jerry Lewis.  (snip)

Thank you! I was really preoccupied.
My mistake was not taking this into account.
In Germany, Bavarians are regarded as primitive knuckledraggers (wrong!!!) whose only saving grace is the fact that culturally, Bavaria is the northernmost  region of Italy (true).

Date: 2010/09/08 06:01:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Corny has started a new spin-off: Stephen Hawking's The Grand Design: The Banality of Evolution
 
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There you have it, the culmination of evolutionary thought: The universe can and will create itself from nothing—universes are free! Evolutionary thinking, going back centuries, has thoroughly compromised science. It is now its own reductio ad absurdum.

Congratulations,  a never heard-of and extremely promising approach - conflating biology and astrophysics.

Date: 2010/09/08 11:19:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
And JoeG's tactics are a combination of 3 and 6.

Date: 2010/09/08 13:54:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
A poster called Bantay [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/oxford-mathematician-john-lennox-weighs-in-on-stephen-hawkings-recent-claim-that-the-unive

rse-came-from-nothing-through-the-laws-of-nature/#comment-36319]shares his amazement[/URL]:
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While in college, I remember making up some pretty detailed philosophies and explanations for reality…or whatever. The only difference here is while I tended to keep those philosophies and metaphysical explanations to myself for the most part, Prof. Hawking and L.Mludinow seem to think that everyone is interested in their personal world view philosophy and accompanying metaphysical explanations.

(My bolding)

Date: 2010/09/08 13:55:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oops - the link was ok in the preview ...

Date: 2010/09/08 14:22:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/education/oxford-mathematician-john-lennox-weighs-in-on-stephen-hawkings-recent-claim-that-the-unive

rse-came-from-nothing-through-the-laws-of-nature/#comment-363191]This should work[/URL].
It's in the fifth papagraph of his comment.

Date: 2010/09/08 14:23:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Something is wrong with the server. My posts seem fine in the preview.

Date: 2010/09/08 14:58:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thank you all for the advice. I don't have edit privileges, so I'll stick with the quotation marks.

Date: 2010/09/08 15:02:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Did you notice how over at PT on the "IRC throws in towel" thread Floyd Lee is asking - begging - imploring Mike Elzinga to have a debate on AtBC?

Date: 2010/09/08 16:14:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 08 2010,15:46)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 08 2010,21:02)
Did you notice how over at PT on the "IRC throws in towel" thread Floyd Lee is asking - begging - imploring Mike Elzinga to have a debate on AtBC?

Are you serious??? Link or it didn't happen!

He entered the thread fairly early, spinning IRC's defeat into a victory, then the usual - incompatibility.... blahblah ... and the first comment about the debate is here:
 
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Tell you what though: If you’ll make some time to actually read Dembski’s book Intelligent Design, and you ‘n’ me do some talking about what Dembski said in Chapters 7 and 8, THEN, to reciprocate in fairness, we’ll go change the subject together and talk about the Dembski and Marks paper as you request. Meet you halfway, yes?

That’s the deal if you’re interested. Take it or leave it; makes no difference to me. This offer is not open to any other poster, just Mr. Elzinga if he wants it. I suggest the ATBC venue (eg, the ‘FL debate thread’) if said offer is accepted.

Link

Then he goes on and on about it for several comments.

Date: 2010/09/08 16:53:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 08 2010,16:41)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 08 2010,15:51)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 08 2010,20:58)
Thank you all for the advice. I don't have edit privileges, so I'll stick with the quotation marks.

You should send a PM to Wes or Lou FCD. I'm sure we'll be a-plenty to vouch for you.

Be careful.  Today, it may only be an edit button. But, tomorrow, she may want Alsace back.

Yep. And then Lorraine. And then Ile-de-France.
OTOH, I'd prefer Austria and Italy right down to Sicily. Better climate (though worse wine).

Date: 2010/09/09 05:13:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (khan @ Sep. 08 2010,08:11)
This past weekend I drank coffee and I drank beer. Will not do so again for a long time.

Back to morning tea and evening wine.

I've always thought that a monument should be erected to honour the first growers of Camellia sinensis.

Date: 2010/09/09 15:25:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Last month, I was in *Oban*, and this is what I had as foundation for the whisky:



And just to broaden your education:

And I'll be in Edinburgh soon ... just saying ...

Date: 2010/09/10 05:03:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 10 2010,01:42)
I haven't had good haggis yet. Must be difficult to get the right oatmeal/Alpo ratio.

You need to take Alpo Prime Cuts instead of Classic Chunky.
And it is really delicious, you city slickers - quite as good as the French "Innards in White Wine" and the Bavarian "Lung Hash".

Date: 2010/09/10 06:55:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
So he says:
 
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(I am not being necessarily precise here, if there is any statistician out there, he can correct me

yet condescendingly goes on and on with his "probabilities".

Date: 2010/09/10 10:59:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 10 2010,09:59)
Seems like nobody is willing to comment on the the newest detailed version of GilDo's conversion.
All this self centered self-pitying attitude of being one of the indiviually selected. It's just embarrassing to watch somebode embasing himself. Especially, if a cartoon for children is presented as the cause of ones personal epiphany.

I did notice, but I was vicariously embarrassed by the witnessing and actually felt so much pity that I decided not to boot the Dodgenator: "I used to be an atheist therefore Darwin is wrong" = E1.

P.S. I can Haz edit!!!one!

Date: 2010/09/10 12:59:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Cute! I didn't realise they are so small. And what did you do to make it stay on your hand?

Date: 2010/09/10 13:20:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
A comment from Brandon Pope on Corny's spin-off "Drosophila's Altimeter":
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A professor of mine who specialized in analyzing the odds of evolution and time it would take for this type diversity to emerge were staggering when he discussed them with me about a year ago.

One hates to think what kind of college he went to. Not only was the science professor a creationist, his English professor could not teach him to write a complete sentence.

Date: 2010/09/11 07:34:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 10 2010,13:04)
See what I did there? :)

Okay, I give up; what did I miss - or is it my browser?

Date: 2010/09/11 12:56:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 11 2010,08:38)
I have some new gear, and I'm toting her around, just getting to know her.

Lovely light, did you use a filter?

Date: 2010/09/12 03:25:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 11 2010,16:38)
I am back from the local Oktoberfest celebration.

I had the following:

Hacker-Pschorr Oktoberfest
Coop Oktoberfest
Spaten Optimator
Ayinger Celebrator Doppelbock

I had some food, too. But who cares about that?

A good selection of very strong stuff. Which one did you like best, the Ayinger?
At the Oktoberfest here in Munich, they will charge around 10 Euro for one "Mass" =2 pints of beer which is why I shall boycott the beer tents this year.
This could get serious.

Date: 2010/09/12 12:15:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 12 2010,07:33)
(snip)
And Blowhard borrows Stephen's flask:
   
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True, but I know as a matter of documented fact that when Allan is confronted with, er, a discontinuity in his reasoning he will simply disappear from the conversation.

(Well, we wouldn't want disappearances from UD, now would we.)

None of them can answer Mathgrrl's/Jmac's question.

markf offers an explanation:
   
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UB – if you are an ID opponent you somtimes find that you are removed from the conversation without any reason and without other participants necessarily knowing. I am not claiming it has happened to Allan or that it is intentional but it has happened to me a couple of times.

Strangely, Clive hasn't mercifully ended the massacre yet by either "gavelling" the debate or banning the whole gang of scientists. Gone for the weekend?

Edit: Typo

Date: 2010/09/13 03:47:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Germany is doomed - our Minister of Foreign Affairs is gay, and so is the Lord Mayor of Berlin.

Date: 2010/09/13 08:28:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
New poster Indium - a foreigner - has been pointed to the Axe paper and is disappointed:
 
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BTW, as a reviewer I wouldn´t have let Axe publish his paper without citing Lupas (cited over 100 times, which is a LOT in this field), Taylor etc. It is a mystery how this could happen. What kind of journal is this? It seems there are only two articles published in the whole history of Bio-Complexity!?

Date: 2010/09/13 11:18:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Raevmo @ Sep. 13 2010,10:33)
[European superiority]
Only in America!
[/European superiority]

Ahem ...

Link 1

Link 2

Date: 2010/09/13 11:40:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
So I was beginning to think that IDiots couldn't surprise me any longer with a new variety of tard when sudddenly ...
   
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Tells (sic) us Ritchie, how did nothing more than chemicals and physics create a CODE!!!

Tell us if the known process are (sic) in existance and were published somewhere, how Bill Gates got a hold of them and plagerized the findings and used those mysterious facts to evolve DOS into Windows Vista ???

Date: 2010/09/13 11:44:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, I am going to enjoy distributing pamphlets in front of these theme parks - not. Maybe a happening?

Date: 2010/09/13 16:56:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ Sep. 13 2010,13:45)
I want to go there now!

Robin, maybe is it some comfort that prices have gone up a staggering 30% - beer, food, rides, you name it.

Date: 2010/09/13 16:58:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 13 2010,16:07)
Shriek!!!!

They're getting closer!!!

It's going viral, it is all over the Internetz.

Date: 2010/09/15 03:29:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 14 2010,22:28)
 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 22 2010,00:10)
Bilbo, for whatever reason, still seems to hold out hope that something useful will come of the "ID project". So I doubt we'll see him here as I guess that would poison him in the minds of the other posters at TT.

You may well be right. At the moment he is castigating Kathryn Applegate at Biologos for quote-mining Behe in the process of suggesting Behe was quoting out of context in "Edge of Evolution". Comments don't have permalinks so it's around half-way through starting at comment 29103

Link to Biologos thread

PS anyone with any useful references on current views of relatedness of flagella to type three secretory systems, I'd be grateful for a link or two.

BioLogos is quite interesting: Not only are there regulars who adhere to science, there are also learnéd scholars who can tear the biblical literalists' theological reasoning to shreds. And that is why the lying coward Floyd Lee - who over at PT claimed to be interested in "the interface between science and religion" - never goes there.

Date: 2010/09/15 05:40:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
First one to guess the answer wins the Internet (no peeking!): Why is biology different?
Granville Sewell
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I don’t think that 97% of biologists are anti-intellectual or even materialists, I think they just see how well the usual scientific tools seem to work in other fields, and think, why should evolutionary biology be different? But it is different, the problems evolutionary biologists are trying to solve are not just harder, they are fundamentally different from those faced by other scientists, for reasons I think are made most clear though the argument presented here.

Did you guess?
... "here" links to ... the Second Law of Thermodynamics! Yawn ...

Date: 2010/09/15 16:39:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Seems like now you have to grovel in order to be allowed to comment:
Lar Tanner:
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To the moderators: Please allow this comment. I have attempted to draft a relevant comment in civil terms. I don’t know what mark there is against me, but I feel my response meets basic standards for being posted here. If you decide not to allow my comment, will you please email me so I can know what I did to deserve being “banned” at UD?

Pedant
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It looks like LarTanner’s post appeared while mine was being processed by the server. Thanks to the moderators for letting both of our posts go through.

Date: 2010/09/16 09:06:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 16 2010,08:22)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 16 2010,12:40)
Love is CSI.

   
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gpuccio: It has a specific form, which is CSI, and is caused by a conscious experience in you (or in me).

Gpuccio, the romantic.


Hey!!! The only real CSI is CSI: Las Vegas!

None of that Miami or Manhattan nonsens!

Sorry, carry on...

Sorry to spoil the fun, but gpuccio was not talking about love:
 
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Your response, like mine, is not “just” atoms in motion. It has a specific form, which is CSI, and is caused by a conscious experience in you (or in me).

Of course, this way it doesn't make sense either.

Date: 2010/09/16 11:12:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 16 2010,10:16)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 16 2010,09:06)
   
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 16 2010,08:22)
       
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 16 2010,12:40)
Love is CSI.

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gpuccio: It has a specific form, which is CSI, and is caused by a conscious experience in you (or in me).

Gpuccio, the romantic.


Hey!!! The only real CSI is CSI: Las Vegas!

None of that Miami or Manhattan nonsens!

Sorry, carry on...

Sorry to spoil the fun, but gpuccio was not talking about love:
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Your response, like mine, is not “just” atoms in motion. It has a specific form, which is CSI, and is caused by a conscious experience in you (or in me).

Of course, this way it doesn't make sense either.

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Winston Macchi: But seriously, so what if love, happiness, pity are ‘just’ atoms in motion.  

... so what if love, happiness, pity are ‘just’ atoms in motion ...

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gpuccio: But the point is all in that “just”. Your response, like mine, is not “just” atoms in motion. It has a specific form, which is CSI,

So, the response is not 'just' atoms in motion, but CSI.

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gpuccio: love and thoughts and all the rest are not, and can never be, “just” atoms in motion.

So, love is not 'just' atoms in motion, but ...

This is how I interpreted it first, too. But it seemed so very strange that I decided he referred to his comment when he wrote "response".
Kairosfocus uses typing text often as an an example for CSI.
But as I said, it makes no sense either way.

Date: 2010/09/17 05:32:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 16 2010,23:10)
 
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Oktoberfest celebrating its bicentennial
I enjoyed it while I was living in Munich but it is nothing compared to the Cologne carnival.

This carnival is really grrrreat; I love it, too.

And a Kairosfoscian F/N: If the moderators feel this should be painted onto the bathroom wall, go ahead, but make sure you use fluorescent spray paint.

Date: 2010/09/17 10:48:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 17 2010,06:51)
Everything I know about Oktoberfest I learned from a Pink Panther movie. You probably know the scene.

Aaargh - someone had a spy camera installed and got footage of me in that nasty dirndl dress!
I've realized that red is not my colour and got a green dirndl instead.

Date: 2010/09/17 12:20:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Never miss an opportunity:
Granville Sewell - in the original complete with link, of course:
 
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Much as I would have preferred to discuss only scientific arguments in my  new book , I did dive into theology ...

Buy my book!

Date: 2010/09/17 15:16:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Diogenes sums it up:
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There's total dishonesty behind all creationist arguments, but the transitional fossil argument is especially dishonest, because they're tricking their audience about their definition of "transitional fossil." Whenever one is dug up, they redefine their terms. Their real definition of transitional fossil is, "Whatever hasn't been found yet." According to the creationist definition, anything actually found is not transitional, by definition. ...
There are tons of quotes from all major creationists saying that a creature halfway between shrew and bat is IMPOSSIBLE. Then they dig it up, and creationists say it's TRIVIAL. ...

Lovely.

Date: 2010/09/23 04:10:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Gunthernacus @ Sep. 22 2010,21:18)
 
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Petrushka:  ID declares that intelligence can somehow do biological design, but offers no examples for the most critical areas — new species and adaptation to environmental or competitive challenges.

Proponentist:  I think ID can successfully point to the work of intelligence in genetic modification, for example. A human scientist does not rely on chance mutations and selection to modify a dog species, for example. The fact that even this conscious, informed, human intelligence cannot speciate new dogs is evidence against what an unintelligent process can produce

His three sentences broken down in reverse order:

Petruska says that ID has no evidence that the I can do the D in speciation.  Proponentist says that is just evidence against any other way to do it.  Tard.

"A human scientist does not rely on chance mutations and selection to modify a dog species, for example."  What?  German shepherds* didn't choose the best dogs from litters of slightly varied pups?  They had a genetics lab?  They knew which AA in what combination would produce the dog they wanted?  Tard.

The "work of intelligence in genetic modification" is not based on innate knowledge.  It is based on information that already exists in the environment.  Information that was/is painstakingly extracted from the environment, overwhelmingly by trial-and-error.  Lately that process has been codified as the scientific method, but it's an accumulation that goes back unbroken to the first guy to strike one rock against another.  ID can't successfully point to that without the glaring absence and question-begging of the whole origin of information thing they whine about constantly.  Tard.

*  Substitute with the developers of your preferred dog breed, of course.

So if a pigeon breeder chooses the cock pigeon with the flashiest tail feathers to breed he is using intelligence - and adding CSI? -, but if the hen grouse picks the male with the flashiest tail feathers she is doing ... what?

Date: 2010/09/23 13:56:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 23 2010,06:59)
UD promotes a new ID site in the UK ...(snip)

They are in Glasgow - where I'll be soon. This will be fun!
:p

Date: 2010/09/23 14:09:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 23 2010,08:04)
Gordon Mullings proves the power of prayer:

   
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I will leave most details to others, just first noting on one of your red herring tracks that there are millions who will testify to you on experience that prayer works. In fact, that I am alive, have enough breath to post, and have enough back to sit up are ALL answers to prayer, in astonishingly and obviously miraculous ways. (I could start with the appointment error that led my mom to half lift me out of a med centre, and as we came out the door, we faced a taxi with the open door, and the man saying: “Asthma, I know just the doctor you need.” That is how we found the doctor who saved my life. Literally.)


Duh. So, Gordon, why do we need doctors at all then?

Gordon, if you are that enamored with the power of prayer why do you even visit the doctor at all?

He doesn't tell us when, by whom and how this praying was done - did his mother/granny/father pray for a qualified cabbie?

Date: 2010/09/23 14:51:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh noes - bornagain is about to witness to Aleta:
 
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... made me acutely aware of the need for the Christ that we all have in general. ... We could go through the apologetics in detail if you want ...

Aleta, this is you punishment for being better at maths than bornagain.

Date: 2010/09/25 09:07:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
These guys are like pitbulls; once they have sunk their teeth into a topic they can't let go. While bornagain is still preaching to Aleta, Gordon is still busy with prayer, aiming its formidable power at ellazimm:
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I will pray for you, and invite others to join me:
May God grant you the grace to see, to see clearly, and to have the strength to stand by what you see. AMEN.

Where I come from it is considered extremely bad manners to witness to persons who have not asked you to.

Date: 2010/09/25 09:20:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Keep praying!

Edit: Aimed at Gordon.

Date: 2010/09/25 09:24:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 25 2010,09:17)
Sheldon's reply to Aleta (on his blog, not at UD) makes absolutely no sense, but he refers her to this other guy, Sheldon's advisor at seminary, so I went there, and found this gem, explaining why 2+2=4:

 
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Yes, non-Christians can do mathematics, but only because God enables them to do so. Only because the Christian God exists and sustains them and teaches them are they able to do mathematics, and to act as if God didn't exist.


Well, it's hard to argue with that.

What breathtaking arrogance.

Could you give us a link, please? This blog sounds like fun.

Date: 2010/09/27 11:15:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
It's arrived!!!111one!

No time for tardmining for the next two days.

Date: 2010/09/27 13:55:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (REC @ Sep. 27 2010,13:10)
Wow, nirwad is dumb.

He concludes humans and chimps are less similar by using a 30 nucleotide search of the genomes that relies on identity to score a 'match.'

Doesn't he know going to longer strings, without offsetting by allowing mismatches simply amplifies the likelihood of not getting perfect match, so the number of matches decrease!

For example: consider a 59bp genome A, with a single mismatch in the middle relative to B. 58/59 is 98% identity. Now query with a 30 nucleotide search. No alignment will have 100% identity. So nirwads 'search' can take 98% and make it 0%. Well done.

I'm sure there is a way to demonstrate algorithmically that a 30nt search string, that requires identity to match a 99% similar target will give precisely the results he gets (which are in the 60% range).

Of course the hallelujah chorus locks onto this as proof we aren't related to chimps. Here's a suggestion: go to really long threads, and you can get it to go to zero!!!! We're totally unique! Evolution is dead!

Rumour has it that niwrad is actually WAD - which would explain a lot: If niwrad is proven wrong WAD hasn't lost his face.

Date: 2010/09/27 15:05:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 27 2010,14:39)
I thought the Explanatory Filter had shown that nirwad was Giuseppe Sermonti, who is now the editor emeritus of Rivista di Biologia.

You must be right - so that's why in one of his graphics there was an Italian caption.

Date: 2010/09/28 02:45:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 28 2010,02:01)
 
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Does someone know how to download youtube videos? I think the video is a forgery, and it may be taken down now that suspicions are raised.


Use Antbar

When I tried your link I got a virus warning.
I am using "Keepvid":
http://keepvid.com/

Edit typo

Date: 2010/09/28 06:29:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Why stop at chimpanzees, niwrad? You could claim the same for all our common ancestors.
   
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At all levels, their similarities show their designs share some common templates, their differences show they didn’t arise by random evolution from each other.

Basically, you are throwing natural speciation out of the window.
"No stinking chordate ...."

Edited to add author of tard

Date: 2010/09/28 09:25:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
markf noticed that gpuccio's definition of CSI is diametrically opposed to WAD's. gpuccio just shrugged, "so what?"
When markf insisted that there is a discrepancy, gpuccio plays Judas:
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1) I am not dismissing Dembski’s paper. I simply do not need it for my discussion. And I don’t remember that I have ever found, for instance here at UD, anyone who was relying on the definition in that particular paper to discuss CSI and ID. So, it seems that it is not only me that do no find particularly necessary that paper.


(dreaming of a tardfight)

Date: 2010/09/29 05:41:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Of course all of you noticed that over at PT Joe Felsenstein opened a thread about niwrad's calculations?

Seems like Joe Felsenstein has a "proclivity" to start long threads just like Gil Dodgen.

Date: 2010/09/29 15:37:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Moderation has driven markf to a desperate solution:
 
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One hobby was, until recently, commenting on some of the entrenched Intelligent Design blogs – particularly Uncommon Descent. This blog is notorious for arbitrary censoring and banning of contributors who do not support the party line.  For many years I led a charmed life but was recently placed into what those responsible for the blog call moderation. Moderation means that all your comments are inspected before they are published. This can result in a delay of 24 hours  and may well mean your comment is not be published at all.  I decided this made it no longer worthwhile to comment on UD. So instead I created this blog – hence the title: In Moderation.


He links to it at UD:
 
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However, instead of trying to show where your logic is wrong I thought I would take a moore (sic) positive approach. I am sorry it is so very long. This a shortened version. A fuller version is on my blog.


Will the link survive?

Date: 2010/09/30 08:53:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 30 2010,07:55)
Has anyone started a thread for the British version of the DI, with Behe appearing?

It has been mentioned here.

I'm hoping that British collegues will take over. Anyway, as I said on our UD thread, next week I'll be in Glasgow and I'm planning to take some pictures of their place - it's got "Wharf" in the address which made me wonder.  :O

Date: 2010/09/30 08:57:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 30 2010,08:24)
I'm wondering why the Voice In The Ceiling is unable to edit a post and correct a close italics tag.

It's been trained to selectively check for heresies.

Date: 2010/09/30 11:17:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 30 2010,09:23)
... You can copy the link and past it into your browser if you want to see a larger version.

Got a new desktop image - thank you!

Date: 2010/09/30 17:16:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 30 2010,16:22)
   
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 28 2010,19:22)
alas..."anti-evolutionists" aren't allowed edit buttons...we must actually proof read...suckage.

Fuck you, liar. Your button wasn't removed because you are ignorant, it was removed because you were being deliberately deceitful, going back and removing things you said to hide them.

Typical. Is there one honest fucking bone in your body?

Fixed that for you - I guess you didn't really mean it.

Edit: OTOH, I read some weird stories about you ...

Date: 2010/09/30 18:19:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 30 2010,18:06)
Bully Arrington stomps all over an unfortunate astronomer who has the temerity to express the belief that there might be life elsewhere in the Universe.

   
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The credulity of presumably well educated scientists beggars belief.  There may be life on that planet.  I don’t know.  But of one thing I am certain, the rough (and I mean rough; the size and temperature are not really that comparable to earth’s) correlation of two life variables gives no one warrant to suggest there is “no doubt” that life exists on the planet.  And these are the scientists our opponents are always telling us we should bow down to and accept their consensus view as God’s own truth.  Give me a break.


So let's get this straight.  

On the one hand we have some one who follows a religion that involves stories about walking, talking snakes, sticks that turn into snakes, water turned into wine, a man raised from the dead, all created by an eternal, uncaused, self-sufficient deity who created everything out of nothing for no apparent reason.  

On the other, an astronomer who expresses his personal belief there could be life on an Earth-like planet orbiting in the habitable zone around a suitable star.

Remind me, who is supposed to be the more credulous?

What gets me, though, is Allen MacNeill piping up virtually agreeing with the IDiot.

   
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As an evolutionary biologist, I had the same reaction to this news story as NormO (comment #2). That is, Dr. Vogt’s personal opinion  about the probability of life on Gliese 581g are about as valuable as my personal opinion about some aspect of astrophysics…i.e. essentially worthless. I don’t pretend to know much of anything about astrophysics, and unlike Dr. Vogt I wouldn’t presume to make what sound like “scientific” statements about a subject outside my field of professional expertise.


As I read it, Dr Vogt was not asserting a scientific claim about anything he was expressing a personal opinion.  Leaving aside the question of what metric might be used to quantify the 'worth' of an opinion, I think I could reasonable argue that the opinion of an astronomer about a question in astronomy is 'worth' more than that of a lawyer, just as Allen MacNeill's personal opinion about a question in evolutionary biology is 'worth' more than Arrington's.

Arrington links to a Faux News site - and I bet those reporters pestered the astronomer until they got this statement.

Date: 2010/09/30 19:35:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 30 2010,19:12)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 30 2010,23:16)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 30 2010,16:22)
       
Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 28 2010,19:22)
alas..."anti-evolutionists" aren't allowed edit buttons...we must actually proof read...suckage.

Fuck you, liar. Your button wasn't removed because you are ignorant, it was removed because you were being deliberately deceitful, going back and removing things you said to hide them.

Typical. Is there one honest fucking bone in your body?

Fixed that for you - I guess you didn't really mean it.

Edit: OTOH, I read some weird stories about you ...

Those about FTK are weirder, and in plain view, right here, on AtBC...

Yes, I had a look at her thread, and that's why I was wondering why Lou offered to f*** her.    ;-)

Date: 2010/10/01 07:39:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, here is a quote from another interview which sounds definitely different:
Quote
Steven Vogt, a fellow co-discoverer of the planet and a professor of astronomy and astrophysics at the University of California Santa Cruz, explains that the planet's atmosphere remains unknown.

"We don't know exactly what the atmosphere is composed of.  I mean if the atmosphere is pure ammonia, it might be tough. If it's conventional gases like oxygen and carbon dioxide, that sort of thing, sure, there is every bit of reason to think that life as we know it could exist there," says Vogt.  "But without knowing in detail what the atmospheric constituents are, what is the balance of nitrogen and oxygen that sort of thing, we may have to bring our own atmosphere with us or manufacture it."

Date: 2010/10/05 06:16:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (RupertG @ Oct. 04 2010,00:48)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Sep. 30 2010,08:53)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 30 2010,07:55)
Has anyone started a thread for the British version of the DI, with Behe appearing?

It has been mentioned here.

I'm hoping that British collegues will take over. Anyway, as I said on our UD thread, next week I'll be in Glasgow and I'm planning to take some pictures of their place - it's got "Wharf" in the address which made me wonder.  :O

Keeping an eye on it... but they don't seem to be doing anything. The FAQ doesn't hold out much hope that they ever will - looks like the same old. Some Google alerts on the protagonists' names may be in order, though.

Yes, last time I checked - a while ago - they did not have a discussion forum yet.
Anyway, me and Dr Steve Steve are already in Inverness, working our way south and hoping to find their place.

Date: 2010/10/06 13:47:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 05 2010,10:46)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 05 2010,06:16)
Anyway, me and Dr Steve Steve are already in Inverness, working our way south and hoping to find their place.


Well lass, then you are not too far from me family clan's castle:



Inverary Castle

Quaint little cottage in the woods really. Watch out for the peacocks...

Marry me?

Date: 2010/10/06 13:50:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 05 2010,23:01)
Dembski must be busy with other things. ...

Isn't he writing a book together with Denise?

Date: 2010/10/20 14:53:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BillB @ Oct. 11 2010,11:29)
Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 11 2010,15:38)
Of course, "among scientists" could mean in the same room or building with them... :p

Or just in Scotland

The Quest for "The UK Centre for Intelligent Design" - failed

So I went to this address as found on their website:

The Wheatsheaf
Speirs Wharf
Glasgow













Date: 2010/10/20 15:39:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
This is for Robin, although he is only 267th in line:



St Giles's Cathedral, Edinburgh

Date: 2010/10/21 07:42:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 21 2010,04:57)
All the schadenfreude aside, I still feel sorry for Dembski.
...

P.S. The irony that this situation has arisen because of the ideological rigidity of the religious institution he works at is enormous.
...

I was beginning to feel sorry for him, too, but then I remembered how he reported Eric Pianka to the Department of Homeland Security.

As for the ideological rigidity of the religious institution he works for: He could re-convert back to Greek Orthodoxy and try and get a job with them   ;-)
But I doubt they would even consider having him back.

Date: 2010/10/21 12:39:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (guthrie @ Oct. 21 2010,11:40)
It's alright, we know about it.  Nice photos Kattarina, they emphasise how badly run this organisation is, being no more than a front for YEC's.  

The glasgow meeting is only £6 so I'd be tempted to go to that.  Anyone else want to?

I'd love to go ... am really severly tempted to book a flight. Must check my bank account!
I'm wondering how the postie is supposed to find them. I guess that the "mission" allows them to have their letters sent to them.

Date: 2010/10/21 12:45:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
No fossils this time, instead a bit of geology.
The volcano that formed Edinburgh's "Arthur's Seat" erupted in the Carboniferous / 350 million years ago.


Basalt that didn't make it to the surface but intruded into surrounding sedimentary rock (which imprinted the lines) and forming a sill. It cooled over thousands of years, allowing ...


... crystals of feldspar to form - these cream-coloured bits are only a couple of millimeters large.


Now this is lava that shot up right to the surface - it is getting porous near the top.


Typical lava columns


Lava on top of sedimentary rock


Teh Flud wreaked havoc with the sediment.


This is where Hutton dragged his collegues to convince them of his "Theory of the Earth". - I searched the bookshops in Edinburgh for his book: no joy.


Line of sedimentary rock broken by intrusion of magma.


Lava erupted into a fault in older lava - I find this somehow incestuous.


Basalt dyke on Skye/ Inner Hebrides. The quality of the pic is rotten because it was raining cats and dogs.

As usual, my explanations might be completely off the mark. I should be happy to be corrected by someone who knows better.
Edit: Typo

Date: 2010/10/22 17:27:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
- Deleted because it had been mentioned above -

Date: 2010/10/23 05:36:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
In his OP "The 10^(- 120)challenge, or: The fairies at the bottom of the garden", vjtorley offers a straight line for a cheap joke:
Quote
So what was it that generated the Cambrian explosion? Well, as a Christian and a theist, I’d say “God,” but if you gave me only two choices – fairies, or random mutations plus natural selection – I’d go with the fairies, every time.

Date: 2010/10/23 12:12:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
"wbarmy" asks:
 
Quote
Once a new species is created with a different count of chromosomes, with whom does it breed? Is there an another “mistake” just down the block and they happen to meet?

I'd have  expected Ray Comfort to choose a more colourful moniker.

Date: 2010/10/25 10:43:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Instead of speculating about WAD's cryptic statement, Graham decided to ask the author:



Either
- the comment will be deleted
- or just ignored by WAD who will simply disappear from the thread
- or be answered by more weaselling.

20 Euro for NCSE if he actually comes up with a straightforward answer.

Date: 2010/10/25 11:51:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Of course, David Tyler -"Are machine-information metaphors bad for science?" - disagrees with David Hume:
 
Quote
It hs [sic] always surprised me that David Hume’s arguments are considered weighty. The preceding generations of scholars did have a rationale for thinking that there is a relationship between the Creator’s design and human design. This was based on the concept of image-bearing, drawn from the Judeo-Christian worldview of the time.

So, previous ideas always beat more recent ones? They describe reality better because ...?

Date: 2010/10/25 17:14:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ Oct. 25 2010,09:34)
Dang! Missed this last week. Thanks Kattarina! Yes, some of me ancestors had a bit of time. Reading about Mary Queen of Scots and all those folk makes Richard III and Hamlet seem like happy tales.

I'm currently watching the series "A History of Scotland" by Neil Oliver. It's bloodcurdling. And I thought the Scottish were nice and peaceful, disturbed only by the nasty English. How wrong I was!

Date: 2010/10/25 18:14:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 25 2010,17:14)
Hidden Obliviation remains the bannitool of choice at UD:

 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 25 2010,10:30)
       
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 25 2010,09:18)
Tee Hee

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-366464



         
Quote
5

jurassicmac

10/25/2010

8:35 am
Great article. I pity those who continue with the pointless acts of ‘investigation.’ They could avoid wasting so much time on that fruitless ‘research’ if only they knew that the whole process has already been explained: God did it.

Maybe someday they’ll see the light and give up this relentless pursuit of ‘knowledge.’


Finally, a mechnaism!

And then.... it was gone.


Paging R. Bill to the banninations thread. (No, I wasn't DurrasicMac) - I wonder how many truefundies© have been expelled! due to nixplanitory false positives?

Anyone out there claiming insurance payment?

Date: 2010/10/26 08:18:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oops!
BA flushed the Explanatory Filter down the toilet:
Quote
since EVERYTHING in life and the universe exhibits design

Date: 2010/10/26 12:59:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2010,10:39)
Can one of our resident photoshoppers please do:

"CSI: My Arky" its for a very obvious pun I've thought of. Thanks!

Source images:

http://chicagofabulousblog.com/wp-cont....ami.jpg

http://newsblaze.com/pix/2008/0918/pix/image0055.jpg

http://coad.net/blog/images/Noah_27s_20Ark_20Cartoon.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image....Ark.png

http://www.science.tamu.edu/articles/Dembski.gif

Thanks!

Yay! I love a good challenge!

Edit: Do you want the cartoons incorporated, or are they just to give us an idea?

Date: 2010/10/26 13:07:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Perhaps instead of crawling around geological sites I should hang around pubs more often.

Date: 2010/10/26 14:20:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2010,13:52)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 26 2010,12:59)
Edit: Do you want the cartoons incorporated, or are they just to give us an idea?

They were just hints really. A faux tv show flier that lampoons dembski's YEC/OEC the flood was global and real and it must have been packed with CSI stand.

Speaking of which, if entropy / SLoT really is the enemy of evilution, talk us through what happened after all the DGFCSISCI was concentrated on the Arky-arky.

Already working. May I add some animals or are you in a hurry?

Date: 2010/10/26 16:07:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98


This is a small version. You can get it twice the size.
And I can change it, just tell me how.

Date: 2010/10/26 16:59:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 26 2010,16:12)
I swoon at your talent!

Why, thank you! (blushes handsomely)
I'm working on a version with more drama - rain, storm ...
Edit: Drama

Date: 2010/10/27 07:02:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ Oct. 27 2010,02:21)
Ahahaha!  Dembski can't win:

(snip quote)

Dembski: I'm not a YEC!

Byers: Close enough.

No, that's what he wanted - he's everybody's darling.

Date: 2010/10/27 07:04:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oramus gets all warm and fuzzy about bacterial quorum sensing:
 
Quote
Interesting stuff. Bacteria Comunicate? [sic] Cooperate? Group think?

Intelligent, and they(bacteria) know it!.

That’s why I am gonna have a conversation with myself and my bacteria groupies.

Don’t laugh. They can hear you, sense you, and will cooperate in your defense.

... good-ole 1st rate intuition and wisdom, which always seems to be a step a head [sic] of THE evidence.

And *gasp* he's watching you:
 
Quote
By the way, I am getting more science from UD, ENV, and Hunter’s site than anything I have seen over at PT.

Date: 2010/10/27 13:44:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/10/28 05:21:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Dave, these pics are brilliant! Did you shoot them downtown or in the outskirts?
And I just love the fox. Did you get that close to it, or did you use a special lens?

Date: 2010/10/28 05:26:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The other day, I tried to dig up some information about a member to create a personalized birthday card. Amazingly, I found that there are hundreds - thousands? - of members who have never even posted a single comment, apparently socks created by a programme. Do they serve a purpose, or are they the result of an attack?

Date: 2010/10/28 07:52:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Happy Birthday!
Edit: Sorry about the typo in the picture.

Date: 2010/10/28 08:11:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Seversky @ Oct. 28 2010,07:32)
It is a fine piece of work, undoubtedly, but could perhaps benefit from a touch more Sturm und Drang.

Any suggestions?

Date: 2010/10/29 05:29:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DNA_Jock @ Oct. 28 2010,12:24)
Apologies to Joe, I spoke too soon re his moderation.

No surprise there. He is desperately pimping his blog everywhere he posts and probably figures that controversy must be better than no traffic at all.

Date: 2010/10/29 09:29:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 29 2010,06:46)
Do you remember you and rapier were going to come to my work?

What ever happened with that?

Don't worry, they'll come when they need you to repair their toaster.

Date: 2010/10/29 10:51:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Sorry, no Turner. But WAD needs a shave now.

Date: 2010/10/29 15:06:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Stephen C Meyer is a witch:
Very short and a lovely ending.

Date: 2010/10/30 07:23:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
My reading comprehension of English is even worse than I thought; I can't make sense of Denyse's headline:
Quote
"Theory of Everything: Putting failure to find such a theory to good use"

Date: 2010/11/01 07:33:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2010/11/01 07:37:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 30 2010,08:13)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 30 2010,07:23)
My reading comprehension of English is even worse than I thought; I can't make sense of Denyse's headline:
     
Quote
"Theory of Everything: Putting failure to find such a theory to good use"

It's a clumsy sentence, alright. And apart from that headlines do tend towards excessive conciseness. But I think what that headline is tryna say, is nobody's managed to find a Theory of Everything yet, and here's why this failure-to-find is a good thing.
Maybe.
This headline is the product of the same mind which disgorged THE SPIRITUAL BRAIN, after all...

Aah - now I see the structure - thank you!
(Stupidly, I wondered why missing the golf ball proved ID: "Putting failure".)

Date: 2010/11/01 14:22:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (steve_h @ Nov. 01 2010,14:14)
Thanks everyone. But this post is wrong in some of the particulars

1) That's not my birthday.
2) I'm not 49
3) I'm hardly a forum legend:
- I've written fewer than 500 comments. RH manages more than that in a slow week.
- My comments have sparked little interest. Even O'Leary's dreariest efforts tend to do better.
- Heck, the regulars don't even insult my mum (sniff).


ETA: Kattarina's piccy isn't far off the mark though.

Hey, give that cake back!

Date: 2010/11/04 09:05:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ Nov. 04 2010,06:28)
...
"ZOMG! OXYGEN AND HYDROGEN ARE DESIGNED.  PRAISE JESUS!"
...

Of course, that's what most of them believe anyway.

Date: 2010/11/04 10:34:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Nov. 04 2010,10:28)
   
Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Nov. 04 2010,08:16)
OT, sorta, has Demsbki responded to the latest news where he is at least admitting to his Southern Baptist handles that he's now a garden variety fundy creationist and no longer follows the evidence?

Did you see this?

... and the gloating discussion starts on AtBC page 284.

Date: 2010/11/04 14:58:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Neal Tedford struggles with the concept of nested hierarchy - and looses:
Quote
Zachriel represented sets but it wasn't a nested hierarchy. By definition a nested hierarchy means that a subset must be fully contained within the parent. In what meaningful way are lions and cats fully contained within dolphins?

Zachriel should be given an award for his battle to achieve the impossible.

Date: 2010/11/04 16:08:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oviously, "second opinion" wants to get rid of his/her sock.
Directed at Rovert Sheldon, he asks:
Quote
I don’t mean to be offensive but I am sincerely interested. And although this is a question I could have asked earlier at different posts I will ask it here: Do you really believe what you are writing? I mean since you have a PhD in physics did you check on the scientific details in your post?

Date: 2010/11/04 17:00:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Aardvark @ Nov. 04 2010,16:27)
In mole-related news, look what the cat dragged in:
...
I swear that cat catches the same damn mole very week.  Something dodgy going on behind the scenes.  Doesn't kill it; just plays with it until bored -then we have to let it go.

Keep them. Winter is coming, they make nice fur muffs ;-)
Seriously: Cute thing.

Date: 2010/11/04 17:26:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BillB @ Nov. 04 2010,17:17)
Hmmm. Handed in my corrected and neatly bound PhD thesis today ... all thats left is to don a silly outfit and collect a piece of paper whilst my parents try not to cry... maybe I'll post some photos!

Congratulations! Of course I'd like to see the photos. And while your parents might not cry after all, how about you?   ;-)

Date: 2010/11/04 19:46:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Aaaww cute ... Joe is already beginning to miss blibey and has come over to make peace in his very own inimitable way.

Date: 2010/11/05 10:59:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
This is for Zachriel:

Date: 2010/11/05 15:04:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Robert Sheldon explains epigenetics:
 
Quote
You think that just because giraffes strain for the leaves in the tops of the trees, doesn’t mean they “plan” on passing to their babies long-neck genes, so the appearance of a “long-necked” gene in the next generation is not planned? (Okay, for a real example I could have used lactose stress on bacteria whose lactase gene was knocked out.) But neither the giraffe babies nor the next generation of bacteria would have had a change in their genome unless somehow the stress purposefully caused that change. It wasn’t random. Everyone agrees it isn’t a case of RM+NS, but of epigenetics.

Date: 2010/11/05 18:00:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (didymos @ Nov. 05 2010,17:38)
... I know he says otherwise, but I think that he now thinks that's how giraffes got their necks. ...

Of course he does. He obviously never bothered to find out what epigenetics is actually about. In this thread he walks about with his pants down.

Date: 2010/11/06 09:05:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I know, it's been said time and again, but I'll say it for the first time: ID proponentsits are leeches.
 
Quote
One of the problems with the traditional approach of analyzing genomes and proteomes is that the interpretation of what we observe depends heavily on our basic assumptions. It’s not a mystery that in the last decades the only allowed assumptions have been those of the neo darwinian model. So, you will understand if we in ID, who disagree with many of those assumptions, are specially happy that new lines of enquiry, more direct and less subject to cognitive bias, are pursued.

gpuccio, if mean ole mainstream biology is biased, why don't YOU ...

Date: 2010/11/07 08:26:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JLT @ Nov. 07 2010,08:00)
Meet Pakicetus, the Terrestrial Mammal BioLogos Calls a "Whale"
<snip>

Haha! Little Luskin is annoyed that Darrel Falk - who is the main author of the article - refused to "rumble" during "The Vibrant Dance".

Date: 2010/11/09 13:03:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
However, you have to appreciate Joe's [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/why-a-multiverse-proponent-should-be-open-to-young-earth-creationism-and-skeptical-of-man-

%3Cbr%3Emade-global-warming/#comment-367318] concise evalutation[/URL] of vjtorley's 6000-year-old-multiverse scenario:
   
Quote
Is this OP going to come out in movie form any time soon?


OTOH, his poetry sucks.

Date: 2010/11/11 07:58:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Someone called Louis is celebrating today; so, just in case: "Happy birthday!

Date: 2010/11/11 11:57:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Since apes don't drink, I brought you this instead of a bottle of booze.

Date: 2010/11/12 02:33:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
It's painful to read how Neal Tadford valiantly resists Zachriel's efforts to explain nested hierarchy, stubbornly maintaining that just like with cars, the classification is arbitrary.
"My theory which is mine because I developped it" is that some creationists will never understand - they are afraid that considering nested hierarchy = looking down into the maws of hell.
I remember that in primary school, we would start with the children making their own family tree with photos on a piece of paper. Kids seldom had problems to proceed to nested hierarchies.
Zachriel, have you ever tried this approach - comparing relationships with an actual family tree? I think that the "analogy" with car models would break down.

Date: 2010/11/12 08:22:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (carlsonjok @ Nov. 11 2010,13:45)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 11 2010,11:57)
Since apes don't drink, I brought you this instead of a bottle of booze.

Ummm.......

Fascinating - and sooo kyooote!

Date: 2010/11/14 04:41:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 12 2010,08:12)
   
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Nov. 12 2010,02:33)
It's painful to read how Neal Tadford valiantly resists Zachriel's efforts to explain nested hierarchy, stubbornly maintaining that just like with cars, the classification is arbitrary.
"My theory which is mine because I developped it" is that some creationists will never understand - they are afraid that considering nested hierarchy = looking down into the maws of hell.
I remember that in primary school, we would start with the children making their own family tree with photos on a piece of paper. Kids seldom had problems to proceed to nested hierarchies.
Zachriel, have you ever tried this approach - comparing relationships with an actual family tree? I think that the "analogy" with car models would break down.

Marriage can ruin a perfectly good nested hierarchy, like new tires on an old car.

Er, or something like that.

Well, at this stage - and this tender age, ten-year-old children - the goals were to show how grouping by relationship works, that is makes more sense than grouping by car brand or home town, and how to use a funny way of writing down groups.
After some time, when the kids felt comfortable with nested hierarchy in general, you would proceed: "Now let's make a family tree of the animal kingdom."
Great fun: A huge sheet of brown wrapping pager spread on the floor and lots of magazine clippings showing all sorts of animals. A lively discussion ensued while perfecting the tree and sticking each picture to its place.
And the teacher who wanted to reveal to an amazed class that whalescetaceans were mammals was in for a disappointment: The little smart alecks watched nature programmes.
And still you could not introduce evolution and the LUCA.
However, later you would talk about an all-time favourite topic: dinosaurs. This is when you hoped to give them a dim idea about geological time.
Evolution and genetics would be discussed much later.
So, I realize that the tree of your individual family is a sorely limping analogy for the reason you mentioned. But I figured if it somehow worked as an approach for primary school children just maybe it could work for stubborn creationists.

Date: 2010/11/14 10:02:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
(snip)
Oh, .......so you are saying cats mating with dogs?

Heathen! Non believer!!!! A curse on you witch.

*Gordons best cross goggled eyed stare*

What preacher would let that happen?

Its beastiality I tell you.

mumble .......nervous tick grumble..


What separates us from teh animals?


Its obvious Sherlock.

Creationists.
[/quote]

Date: 2011/11/24 14:33:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 24 2011,12:06)
Vis Pharyngula, I just want to know why there's a little guy pantomiming a uterus and fallopian tubes pasted atop every quoted passage. What's up with that?

It introduces a tard quote and refers to a Monty Python sketch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....related

I hope this is what you meant.

Date: 2011/11/27 14:19:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
"If man evolved from apes, who did the first human mate with?"

Of course, vjtorley said it much more elegantly:
Quote
Let us assume that the very first creatures on Earth who possessed a natural capacity to reason – i.e. the first people – had primate parents who lacked this capacity. Let us also assume for argument’s sake that there were only two people in the beginning – Adam and Eve – who later went on to have several children. Adam and Eve’s parents were therefore non-rational animals.
...
Would it have been morally wrong for Adam’s eldest son, Cain, to start a family with Brad’s lovely daughter, Diana, who (like her father) lacked the capacity for rational thought, instead of starting a family with his younger sister Flora, the only other female of his generation who possessed the capacity to reason?


Tard

Date: 2011/11/30 13:00:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Corny has a black-out:
 
Quote
Pop Quiz: Who Believes and Promotes the Fixity of Species Belief?

His answer:

 
Quote
stsinoitulovE

Yes, it is they who believe in the fixity of species.


And guess who gives the correct answer over at UD?

 
Quote
Joe:
One thing is clear, evolutionists promote the idea that their opponents argue for the fixity of species.

The fixity of species is what Darwin argued against in “On the Origin of Species…”.


Watch it, Joe, we don't want you to get banninated.

Date: 2011/12/02 14:01:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
APM (Anthony Mator who links to his book, what else) accuses paleontologists of racism.

 
Quote
Though I don’t have the facts to back it up, I suspect racism may have had something to do with the modern claim of an African origin. Maybe the assumption was that, since Africans are supposedly lower on the evolutionary scale, that humans must have first emerged in Africa (although I suppose you could just as easily argue that black Africans migrated there from Europe).


Evidence - shmevidence.

Date: 2011/12/06 14:50:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
November at UD

After more than a year of absence, I started to drop in on UD again. I found a new look, and a new, very prolific author,  Denyse's alter ego, News, who is swamping UD with a tsunami of OPs.
Somehow, UD seems less funny than before, and from a source of entertainment it has turned into a bristly creepy crawly thing to put under the magnifying glass. I had two spare hours, so that's what I did.

Here are some - very unscientific - statistics of a month over at UD (remember, I am not a sociologist).


1)   Statistics of threads and comments

Total number of threads:
275

number of threads opened by "News" or "O'Leary":
216

threads where real scientists or informed laypersons contributed, this way keeping them going:
56


total number of comments:
2942

comments in threads with scientists' contribution:
2655
average per thread:
47

comments in threads without scientists' contribution:
287
average per thread:
1

threads without scientists' contribution with a number of comments > 10 :
3
average number of comments on those:
18




2)   Statistics of Content of OPs

I didn't follow UD's categories because they file almost everything under ID just as long as it is somehow related to science, so I rather created my own ones.


Hate of Science / Gotcha
115 = 42%

Here I counted all topics of incredulous sneering at new research results, gloating about perceived scandals in the scientific community, mocking of cosmology and astrobiology (SETI anyone?), spotting deep rifts of opinions within the community of biologists, and triumphantly announcing that a new study shows that somehow, evolution is falsified.




DeNews' Scrap Book
44 = 16%

A Readers' Digest of news about nature, including video clips, without any hate speech.


Theology, Philosophy, Ethics, Methodology of Science - what happened to "Don't ask, don't tell"?
35 = 13%

This also comprises Denyse's views on neuroscience, since it always boils down to "soul and conscience".

Among all those, there were two OPs about 'Darwin and Hitler', two OPs about 'Darwin and eugenics'.
You should add an amendment to Godwin's law:
"As the number of OPs on UD in any given month gets higher, the probability of am OP claiming a causal relationship between eugenics and 'Darwinism' approaches 1".



What's it all about: ID
28 = 10%

This comprises nature video clips (e.g. butterfly metamorphosis*), book reviews, celebration of anniversaries (4 OPs about "Darwin on Trial"), upcoming events, debates on video, aaaand ... wait for it ...
OPs discussing ID-related topics with a smashing total of 5 = 2% of all topics at UD in November.


Politics, culture, economy
17 = 6%

Don't worry, even if one of UD's favourite candidates becomes the next president of the USA there might be private companies eager to employ good scientists [/sarcasm].


The rest were miscellaneous topics that didn't fit into any of those categories, mostly Denyse's "Coffee!" style.

Percentages are rounded.

* The soppy butterfly video is by David Coppedge - is this "the" Coppedge?

Date: 2011/12/06 15:29:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 06 2011,15:00)
You forgot to include a category for new ID research results.

Or one for Designer sightings. (Do crop circles count?)

They have a new poster, AMP, the aspiring next generation. He will certainly churn out those research results by the truckload. He's an American studying biology at the University of Glasgow and has recently celebrated his first public appearance by harassing PZ Myers, thereby embarrassing himself and ID in one fell swoop. It's out there on YouTube for all to watch; I'll try and find the link.

Edit: I got the initials wrong, it's Jonathan A.

Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...._AkdhsQ

He comes up at 0:53

Date: 2011/12/08 13:41:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi J-Dog, Kristine, and sparc.., thanks for the welcome   <3

As for the IDiots all over extraterrestrial life, my guess is that for once, they want to state a "prediction" before the fact. Usually, they go "Oh yes, ID knew that all along" after a new discovery has been published.

Date: 2011/12/08 13:46:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
After one day online, the Panda seems to be offline again - or is it just me?

Date: 2011/12/08 16:28:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ Dec. 08 2011,15:30)
Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 06 2011,19:26)
Katerina - Welcome back - and I think you are now qualified to call yourself Dr. Katerina!

Indeed, I'll add a welcome back as well! Good to see (well read) you, Katterina!

BTW, I got to see you lovely little home area and sample Oktoberfest back in Sept. Very lovely place you got there! Cheers!

Hi Robin  <3

Yes, I read about your binge. ,-) Next time, don't miss Augustiner beer, getting citizens of Munich drunk since 1372.

Date: 2011/12/08 16:43:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
My new favourite, Jonathan McLatchie, rides the Anomalocaris.
As you might have read, recently, the - still disputed - fossils of Anomalocaris' eyes have been found, and
     
Quote
Sadly, it’s proven to be another tough day to be a Darwinian.

Jonathan then links to his blog  to give his rock solid reasoning:
 
Quote
What's more, there is no evidence to suggest that the Cambrian morphologies were fundamentally simpler in their composition than representatives of those phyla living today -- for example, in having fewer cell types or more rudimentary eye structures.


Scientists had better burn their PhD diplomas now: No evidence of fewer cell types!!!eleven111

Jonathan, aren't you worried your biology professor might read you blog?

Date: 2011/12/13 09:21:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 13 2011,06:54)
OT: They took my gall bladder, yesterday.

:angry:

But in return they gave me some rather delightful painkillers.

:)

END.

Oh dear - are you still in hospital? I hope you will be fine by Christmas and able to eat all you want, and lots of it!

Date: 2011/12/13 09:23:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Happy birthday to both of you!
I waited till last because my wishes work better that all of the other ones, and they are the most heartfelt. ;-)

Date: 2011/12/13 09:25:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Happy birthday, Wolfie!
You don't think your brother is planning a surprise visit???

Date: 2011/12/14 12:12:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The Tard is strong in this thread.

Massive circle jerk among true believers™:
tjguy starts the dance, explaining why creationism must not have a theory at all:    
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It takes a good bit of hubris for us to reject what He has told us and come up with our own theories about how He did it as well.

APM thinks biology is about    
Quote
cold, dead matter.

Mytheos dares to have an idea about how God created life, nevertheless:    
Quote
Ive thought that he may have used his own DNA and tweaked it for each kind of creature.
That would also explain similar traits in life.

tjguy loves it:    
Quote
That sounds very reasonable.

MrDunsapy muses about implementation:    
Quote
The bible has always been ahead of the scientists.
I think this also explains why scientists are seeing histories of previous kinds of animals. Also creation by breeding would also be an option. Just as man has created a Poodle.



and a bit further down he proudly announces:    
Quote
I came up with these ideas a while back and have been testing it out.



"Information is not enough":
gpuccio spots a likeminded soul:
   
Quote
Welcome in the very small group of neovitalists! (I am always looking for company…) :)
...
Even if information alone is not enough to ensure life, there is no doubt that information is necessary.
...
So, the design argument is completely valid. The step from information to life remains a possible further issue, at least for us neovitalists! :)


Should we tell him to contact Atheistoclast who trolls over at PT? And as three's company, why not form a group and start a schisma?

Date: 2011/12/22 12:32:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Fan mail
for DeNews:
Quote
... and frequently what passes for journalism on this site is really just pure hyperbole. It seems to me there is a goal to have 9-10 posts a day…yet many of them are like the one above….rushed, full of conjecture and assertions. I’d like to see fewer, better thought out posts, rather than these “News” posts that frequently are just drive-by jibes at evolution and scientists. I find it ironic that Street Theatre was “banned” for spewing invective, but frankly that’s really the majority of what the “News” posts are doing too! They really don’t add much.  Can’t Dr. Dembski be persuaded to write here again? Or can others here start up a new site?

Dembski is either ashamed to be linked to UD or not allowed by his bosses to engange in discussions which just might tempt him to stray from the path of biblical litteralism.

Edit: Commenter is "Woodford" - a sock or someone you know?

Date: 2011/12/22 17:04:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,13:24)
How do I erase thee? Let me count the [Error:404] ways... ;)

"Unlike you Darwinists, we don't believe in censorship!" (See yesterday's BW.)

Woodford's comment is still there, just the link seems to be deactivated.

Date: 2011/12/22 17:28:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Happy birthday, Jeannot!
Doesn't it suck it's so close to Christmas? Getting somehow neglected - fewer presents, less attention, fewer cards ...

Date: 2011/12/23 03:20:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)



I do wish I could read it *sigh*

Date: 2011/12/23 05:35:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Why Dembski doesn't show up anymore:

Ultimately Real posts a gem:
Quote
One big mystery I always ponder is the supposed evolutionary move of a land mammal to an ocean dwelling animal. I have heard arguments that these creatures at one point developed fully functional land breathing capability at the same time they had fully functional water breathing capability, so the transition was easy and the air breathing apparatus began to evolve away. Here is what I can’t wrap my head around from an evolutionary standpoint. How many generations of my kids, grandkids, great grandkids and so on and so forth would have to spend everyday in the ocean before they would develop the ability to remain in the ocean full time.


Date: 2011/12/23 11:37:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (noncarborundum @ Dec. 23 2011,09:20)
I'm sure cetaceans worldwide are thrilled to learn they no longer have to surface to breathe.

P.S.  You've heard arguments to this effect?  Where?  Other threads at UD?

That's why I photoshopped the chimera between a whale and a fish - words failed me.

This is the first time I heard this mindboggling idea outside of primary school, and I was wondering if the comment was posted by a 7-year-old kid. On TV there must be dozens of documentaries which even if they don't explain the evolution of cetaceans at least mention that they are mammals - where has this person been hiding?

Date: 2011/12/23 12:12:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
These pics are great!
I guess the Mergansers are too small to make a Christmas dinner?

Date: 2011/12/26 05:09:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
What a shame OE is dead - there was this really eager kid:

Date: 2011/12/26 05:50:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 26 2011,04:59)
It gets better/worse.

Best New Conservative Words

It has to be a Poe. It has to be.

:(

You don't think "user Jwc" pulled Conservapedia's interesting statistics about the rise and thriumph of conservative words - complete with graph, no less - out of ... thin air?

Date: 2011/12/26 12:43:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (DiEb @ Dec. 26 2011,08:08)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 26 2011,05:50)
   
Quote (Woodbine @ Dec. 26 2011,04:59)
It gets better/worse.

Best New Conservative Words

It has to be a Poe. It has to be.

:(

You don't think "user Jwc" pulled Conservapedia's interesting statistics about the rise and thriumph of conservative words - complete with graph, no less - out of ... thin air?

Best New Conservative Words is a brain(?)child of Andrew Schlafly. Some interesting exchanges are in the archives of the talk page, like:

http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Es....ed_Test

http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Es....CENTURY

http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Es....be_True

http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Es....aphs...

Andrew Schlafly is the perfect example of a self-righteous YEC. For laughs, read the following pages (and have a look at the talk-pages, where generation after generation of blocked editor tries to talk some sense into him):

http://conservapedia.com/Counter....d_Earth

http://conservapedia.com/Counter....ativity

http://conservapedia.com/Counter....olution

Thanks for the links. It's just as I suspected - a lot of work to put icing on a turd, and two of the contributors noticed the congenital defect of the project. This is from your first link, near the top of the page:  
Quote
I think this article needs a clear definition of what is meant by "conservative words." As I was reading it, I found it unclear as to whether it's about words invented by Conservatives or words representing Conservative values. I gather it's the latter, but I had to look in the talk page to find that. Either way, the introduction to the article isn't very clear and I'm reluctant to write a definition since I'm not sure I'm on the same page as the contributors. Would someone care to do that? EMorris 13:49, 2 June 2010 (EDT)

As far as I can tell, it seems to be "words we like to use." I think it's pretty apparent that the claim that they "represent conservative values" is false... saying that, for example, the word "carpetbagger" represents conservative values is kind of insulting. Some of the words here are obviously included for their utility in showcasing liberal failings rather than their inherent "conservative value". I would argue that the using the term "conservative words" is actually kind of pejorative; while not quite as catchy, perhaps "words you may find useful" would be better? Calling them conservative words allows liberals to dismiss them more easily: "Those aren't real words, those are just conservative neologisms." PTorquemada 17:00, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

(I deactivated the hyperlinks - K.)


And could someone please point me to the graph mentioned by Kristine re AfDave? If it's not too complicated, I'll have a go.

Date: 2011/12/27 12:29:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 26 2011,08:30)
Someone with shopping skills could make a graph out of this similar to that which was made for AfDave. :D (Pas moi, I'm heading to work.)

This one?

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger....ned.jpg

Date: 2011/12/28 10:03:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 28 2011,08:52)
LOL!  

Chickenshit Joe finally realized that if he gets banned from UD he'll have nowhere else to post his droning stupidity unchallenged.

Consequently, the 'Bilbo is a Fucking Asshole' post has vanished from Joe's website

No wonder - he keeps reading this thread, and your comments alerted him to the danger. :-))

Date: 2011/12/28 13:10:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Dec. 28 2011,11:51)
Joe:
Quote
My bad for repeating what I heard and read without further checking.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/philo-and-origen-are-not-your-friends-dr-alexander-a-short-survey-of-what-two-biblical-all

egorists-taught-about-adam-and-eve/comment-page-1/#comment-412991]lolhahah111!!!!111[/URL]

The hyperlink leads to a 404 error - that happens a lot recently. But I got there by copying the full address.

Date: 2011/12/28 13:13:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I tried to build a graph out of Dembski's user statistics from OE, but I got carried away and ended up drawing something completely different - sorry.







Date: 2011/12/29 04:54:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 28 2011,18:54)
Holy crap, poor Victoria Jackson. It's one thing for the talking-head puppet masters like Limbaugh and Beck to say this shit, but she obviously believes it (as they of course do not), and someone in the Christian community that she trusts needs to sit her down pronto and tell her, "Get some help."

I know what the issues regarding radical Islam in America are. The Muslim Brotherhood taking over the highest levels of government is not one of them.

Aren't there people who think that Barack Obama is a - gasp! - Muslim?

Date: 2011/12/30 03:48:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 29 2011,15:10)
Richardthughes, I am dismayed at the cynicism you display with your question, which carries the implicit presumption that I might actually have fabricated the entire graph, including the data-points on which it is based. However, I must admit that in these days of Photoshop and Faux News, such cynicism is at least partially justified. Indeed, it would have been relatively simple for me to have faked the graph, had I so chosen, by means of ruthless exploitation of the Pen tool in Photoshop. The basic idea would be, start with a straight line; add a whole lot of corner-points; and shuffle said corner-points up and down, as needed, until the final faked graph takes shape.
Of course, if I had actually done that, it would have been a Faux-worthy lapse of intellectual dishonesty and a vindication of the standards we at AtBC have come to hold dear. TARD.

I love your graph - and thanks for explaining how to do it!

Date: 2011/12/30 14:35:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I actually followed the link to the "scientific journal" Atheistoclast published his paper in - it is a creationist swamp.

Edit: I was wondering where Bozo wanted to publish the other papers he kept promising over at PT. Now we know.

Date: 2011/12/30 14:45:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe lifts his little leg at Elizabeth Liddle and soils himself in the process:  
Quote
I cannot help it that you are not a biologist and don’t have the knowledge required to follow along.

Of course, after some comments back and forth he disappears with his tail between his legs.

Date: 2011/12/30 14:56:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
IDiots should be reminded of gpuccio's moment of modesty whenever they get too smug:  
Quote
The general implementation if [sic] design in natural history remains, IMO, vastly an object for future research.

Date: 2011/12/31 10:40:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe makes a promising start:
 
Quote
A gradual process would lead to a nice smooth blending of characteristics as would be observed if all the alleged transitional populations were still alive- or with today’s tech we should be able to animate what they should have been-

Auuuugh - trainwreck ahead - abort - abort - abort:  
Quote
The point is that a smooth blending leads to an overlap, which is indicative of a Venn diagram and not allowed by a nested hierarchy.

Not a pretty sight.

Happy New Year to all, including Joe because he's so cute!

Date: 2012/01/01 05:10:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Cubist @ Dec. 31 2011,17:02)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 30 2011,21:41)
i'll bet you liver cells that atheistoclast is our friend fourass

Unlikely, on the grounds that their respective writing styles are quite different, as are the psychological pathologies they display.

I'm not so sure either. At the beginning of his thread, forastero didn't even know the difference between a quote and a citation, and I guess Bozo would know.

Date: 2012/01/01 11:20:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 01 2012,11:06)
In other news somebody asks Elizabeth Liddle: What function is half an eye capable of and how is it of any use?

Gordon Mullings follows up with:
 
Quote
Indeed, and kindly provide an observational case.

It's like the last 150 years never happened.

This was what convinced me of his dishonesty. Up till now, I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

BTW, he is at it again:
Quote
unfortunately, we keep on seeing the same pattern of distractors via red herrings led out to strawmen, ....

and :
Quote
Such is, or should be, well-known, so the attempt to pretend otherwise is a clear case of a red herring — this is an attempt to change the subject — led out to a strawman misrepresentation of design theory and its epistemic status.

Date: 2012/01/02 07:11:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ewww, Barry Arrington has exhumed Hitler, again. Will they never stop recycling this rotten corpse?

Date: 2012/01/02 12:03:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Just to let you all know that some of your hyperlinks don't work; I guess the original URL is too long. I have started to use tinyurl before posting - it's tedious, I know.

Date: 2012/01/03 04:39:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ Jan. 02 2012,16:09)
In a pleasant deviation from the usual excrescence at HuffPo, Paul Wallace agrees with Jason Rosenhouse that Intelligent Design is Dead, and does so from a Christian perspective.

The comments are surprisingly sane as well.

So Dembski actually jumped from a sinking ship when he gave up posting at UD, leaving his colleagues to slowly drown in oblivion?

Date: 2012/01/03 08:11:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 02 2012,10:46)
Ah, you've jumped right into the tardheap.

.....

a.k.a. PI, Prescriptive Information;
....

Parla del diavolo e già ne spuntano le corna:
Quote
Life is largely directed by linear digital programming and by the Prescriptive Information (PI) instantiated particularly into physicodynamically indeterminate nucleotide sequencing.


DeNews is quoting Abel.

Date: 2012/01/05 12:41:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
It's arrived!



Happy birthday!

Date: 2012/01/06 06:19:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Jan. 05 2012,13:30)
Weirdly enough that's his first mugshot I've ever seen that doesn't compell me to punch him in the face right away.

Maybe I'm being distracted by the box...


ETA: or the lovely font.

Haha, that's because I lifted it off his own blog.

You might have the font "Braganza" on your machine, it came free with Apple Tiger.

Date: 2012/01/06 07:18:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
vjtorley warms over the fine-tuning of the universe.
Maybe a sock could point him to Neil DeGrasse Tyson:
Quote
So the universe wants to kill us all.

Date: 2012/01/08 12:16:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
kairosfocus re-writes history:
Quote
And for that, the rise of Social Darwinism — with Charles Darwin and family heavily implicated from the foundational days of that movement of thought — ...
It's wayyyy down in a long-winded comment.

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, some serious woo is offered by Bruce David:
Quote
Pim van Lommel, a Dutch cardiologist did a multi-year, multi-hospital study of the experiences of patients who were clinically dead but recovered (reported in the book, Consciousness Beyond Life). 62 patients (18%) in the study reported near death experiences. In these cases, the brain had ceased to function, yet consciousness continued. Not only did they remember their experiences quite vividly during the time there was no activity whatsoever in their brains, but many of them “saw”, remembered, and accurately reported events that transpired in the operating room that they could have had no way of knowing if consciousness had ceased.

And forests follows:
Quote
Consciousness can exist outside of the brain. Esoteric and occult literature is filled with people claiming man posesses not only a physical body but a more dense subtle body usually called an astral double.

Date: 2012/01/08 16:30:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Seversky @ Jan. 08 2012,13:28)
In the same vein, he describes Werner von Braun as:

   
Quote
... the man who led the Apollo project, the world famed von Braun, was not only a design thinker and Christian, but a creationist.


but neglects to mention that he was also, according to Wikipedia, a

   
Quote
...member of the Nazi party, commissioned Sturmbannführer of the paramilitary SS and decorated Nazi war hero


which, as far as I'm aware, neither Charles Darwin nor members of his family ever were.

Methinks KF is experiencing the sweet smell of excess brought on by huffing too many burning strawmen soaked in oil of ad hominem.

As for van Lommel's research into NDEs, they suffer from the same problems as all such studies, they are based on anecdotal accounts where it is very difficult to be certain that the reported experiences occurred at the same time as the brain was clinically dead and not during the periods of unconsciousness and semi-consciousness that precede and follow the brain-dead state.

I do hope someone will tell him his hero's ugly past - and that the comment will see the light of day.

As for the "near-death experiences", isn't it interesting that some creationists would embrace occultism rather than science? After all, major churches hate that sort of competition, at least where I live.

Date: 2012/01/09 07:04:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
I shudder to think of how this and other exchanges are being misrepresented elsewhere, where we are not there to correct. Which comes right back to the issue of live donkeys and safely dead lions.

Of course, to kairosfocus, correct = quietly delete and ban the commenter.
   
Quote
...member of the Nazi party, commissioned Sturmbannführer of the paramilitary SS and decorated Nazi war hero

Von Braun's defenders can't claim that he had to join the NSDAP to keep his job; highly qualified and important to the war industry, he could have chosen to remain unaffiliated just as long as he delivered results.
And SS Sturmbannführer to boot! He must have been completely dedicated to the cause.

Edit: Sorry I keep going back to this topic. As a student, I worked for the association of former prisoners of the Dachau concentration camp and their relatives who run the museum on the site. It just makes me sick when IDiots come up with this "Darwinism leads to Nazism" stuff just to support their lies.

Date: 2012/01/10 08:56:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Isn't it painful to watch a lady who is blissfully unaware that her slip is showing?  
Quote
#1 of 2011 for ID community: 50th Peer-Reviewed Pro-ID Scientific Paper Published.

This is so embarrassing that I almost feel sorry for DeNews.

Date: 2012/01/10 09:59:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 10 2012,09:13)
Joe's comment on that is so funny.  

EVERY paper supports ID, if only 'scientists' could see it like us ID-proponents do (i.e. with complete misunderstanding).

Every now and then, Joe surprises me with a brainwave - well, sort of. He seems to have realised that there was something terribly wrong with Denews' so-called "milestone".

Date: 2012/01/10 10:08:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 10 2012,10:03)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 10 2012,09:59)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 10 2012,09:13)
Joe's comment on that is so funny.  

EVERY paper supports ID, if only 'scientists' could see it like us ID-proponents do (i.e. with complete misunderstanding).

Every now and then, Joe surprises me with a brainwave - well, sort of. He seems to have realised that there was something terribly wrong with Denews' so-called "milestone".

Realizing something is wrong and correctly identifying the wrong bit are two entirely different skills.

Great fun - is has dawned on DeNews that the milestone is just a hole in the ground. So she hurries to open a new thread to put things right.
Quote
Having been on this beat for a decade now, I can safely say that no one who is not involved can have any idea how difficult an achievement that is, in the face of a corrupt, tenured establishment that is unashamed to use outright suppression.
...
As for the next decade, with luck, we are reaching the point where it’s safe to test design hypotheses, in the sense that many might fail and a few succeed. That’s the usual way with any endeavour in science, of course. But in a corrupt environment, success means hewing the party line and failure means departing from it. So rational analysis will remain impossible in many venues.

Date: 2012/01/12 06:30:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Perhaps O'Leary fondly remembers the good old days when the IRA still had some spunk.

Date: 2012/01/12 10:20:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Mullings cowardly blocks comments on a response to Larry Moran who took him to task for his lies about eugenics, Nazism, and Darwin. Instead of discussing on Dr Moran's blog, he wants him to come to his own sanctimonious blog.
I hope Dr Moran lets him stew.

Date: 2012/01/12 13:07:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Anybody care to help Joe out there?
Quote
2- Reproduction- that needs to be explained before you can use it

Date: 2012/01/13 02:17:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
DeNews isn't the only one who has problems with vocabulary. The other day, wordsmith extraordinaire kairosfocus coined a phrase that went somehow like that:
"I don't bow to the suzerainty of mainstream science."
Not wanting to be a vocabulary Nazi, I let it slip. A day later, his post was gone.

Date: 2012/01/14 05:15:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 13 2012,12:20)
Gordon, comment editing coward, says:
   
Quote
Dr Liddle:

I am sorry. The false accusation is so outrageously incendiary and unwarranted, that just walking away from it is not good enough.

You need to explain and do something to set things right, pardon.

KF

Link. What happens next I wonder?



I think the elegance of this apology goes way over kairosfocus' head.  
Quote
I didn’t “walk away”, kf, but I should have apologised, and I do now.

I made three errors – one was to misunderstand you, the next was to forget that I had misunderstood you, and the third was to claim that I hadn’t.

I had, and I apologise.

And I am glad that you do not consider that atrocities have been committed in the name of atheism.

Edit: This is Elizabeth Liddle, of course.

Date: 2012/01/14 09:13:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
kf's triggerfinger is itching:
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Dr Liddle,

Pardon, but you have now knowingly crossed a serious line. ...
If you insist on spreading poisonous falsehoods while refusing to seriously address the long since objectively established inherent amorality of the evolutionary materialism you have chosen to embrace, I can do but little about that. ... This is a sad day, to have to now draw a line with you, but you know what you will need to do to unweave the rhetorical spell you have now cast.

Of course, he can't ban mildmannered Dr Liddle, but wouldn't he love to ...

Date: 2012/01/14 11:53:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I've got two favourites, "Nightwatch" and "Unseen Academicals". I never saw why people would go all excited about football (soccer for the yanks) until I read "Unseen Academicals".

Date: 2012/01/14 12:34:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/01/15 06:10:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Lucille Ball for Denyse O'Leary

Date: 2012/01/15 13:09:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
kf is so fickle!
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I wish to publicly commend UD commenters ellazimm and Dr Elizabeth Liddle for their seriousness, civility, responsiveness in dialogue, and general positive tone.

We need more objectors like these ladies. And, I hope that, increasingly, we will have them.

Ladies, well done.

Date: 2012/01/15 15:23:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Did he fall out with his employers?

 
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As it is, I’m leaving my present post at Southwestern Seminary and returning as a full-time fellow of Discovery later this year (2012).

 
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There’s a mentality I see emerging in conservative Christian circles that one can never be quite conservative enough. This has really got me thinking about fundamentalism and the bane it is. It’s one thing to hold views passionately. It’s another to hold one particular view so dogmatically that all others may not even be discussed, or their logical consequences considered. This worries me about the future of evangelicalism.

 
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Some of the Baptist seminaries were by the late ’80s and early ’90s as liberal as my Princeton Seminary. And yet, the Southern Baptist Convention reversed course and took back their seminaries, reestablishing Christian orthodoxy. But Christian orthodoxy is one thing. A “canst thou be more conservative than I?” mentality is another. And this is what I see emerging.

 
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Many Christian institutions have an inferiority complex in which they’re trying to ape the secular academy and gain its approval. Those that resist this mentality often adopt a fundamentalist mentality in which they think they’ve got everything nailed down. That may work in the Christian ghetto, but it has no traction in the wider culture.


RETURN OF THE DOCTOR - soon playing at UD?

Date: 2012/01/15 17:15:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 15 2012,16:33)
The whole interview is just your typical Dembski whine-fest; picking the scabs of battles lost while promising a brighter future.

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Here’s an irony. Jeff Shallit, a former professor of mine (in computational number theory) at the University of Chicago, spent the better part of one of his sabbaticals going after my 2002 book, No Free Lunch: Why Specified Complexity Cannot be Purchased without Intelligence. That book had a few minor errors and infelicities, which I will be correcting in an expanded second edition. In any case, Shallit harped on these errors, such as a probability calculation that was numerically wrong, but whose right answer was still within the universal probability bound that I had established, thus not changing the validity of my argument.

(My emphasis)
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I’m a scientist at heart.


And now a quote for you, Gordon Mullings of Montserrat - I know you are reading "the detractors hiding in the penumbra of dubious forums".

About "Expelled":
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The seven or so minutes devoted to the Nazis and their assimilation of Darwinian theory and its basis in the holocaust seemed misplaced. Not that there isn’t a connection, but bringing up the Nazis invariably causes the temperature to rise and the train of an argument to be lost. Far better would have been to use those seven minutes to recount the record of accomplishment of intelligent design.

Date: 2012/01/16 13:30:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Wolfie, it's the thought that counts.

Date: 2012/01/16 13:35:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
These are beautiful. Are you going to sell them?

Date: 2012/01/17 11:58:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Just you wait until Denyse finally gets around to read your post, DLH!  
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Large geometric shapes are being discovered beneath the Amazon forest. Have the discoverers evaluated their origins correctly? If so, why? Is there any way to distinguish between artifacts caused by human and extraterrestrial agents?
Filed under "Science Fiction""Culture, Design inference, Extraterrestrial life, Intelligent Design".

Date: 2012/01/18 03:18:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 17 2012,15:37)
Elizabeth promptly  squashes the slimy bastard.
May I say that it is also simply a pleasure to read her? She writes very well. For all of the UDudes purported purpose and design, their sentences do not sing. Their sentences mumble; their arguments slouch. Kaplan consultants could not save those guys.

UD has become a fascinating read since she started participating.

Date: 2012/01/18 09:54:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Raevmo @ Jan. 18 2012,06:16)
Peter Griffin wipes the floor with GPooch' "dFSCI".

Enjoy!

Oh my god - gpuccio begins to sound like Joe the cake baker!

Date: 2012/01/20 11:01:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
tjguy comes up with a completely new and utterly convincing argument:
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The male and female reproductive systems are irreducibly complex and complementary systems. How could a male and female of the same species evolve concurrently, at the same geographical location in such a way for them to connect, and evolve in a way that is complementary?

I don’t know what organism might be thought to have evolved the first sexual reproduction capability, but let’s say it was an amoeba for example. What are the chances of two amoeba simultaneously and separate from each other evolving a complete and complementary reproductive system? Even if this did happen and the two amoeba were a mile apart, it would do no good as they would never meet.

Imagine the amount of changes necessary for two asexual organisms to randomly evolve into complete functional complementary male/female organisms?! Talk about believing in miracles!

God must have created the first pairs of everything.

Date: 2012/01/20 11:51:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ Jan. 20 2012,11:28)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 20 2012,11:01)
tjguy comes up with a completely new and utterly convincing argument:
   
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The male and female reproductive systems are irreducibly complex and complementary systems. How could a male and female of the same species evolve concurrently, at the same geographical location in such a way for them to connect, and evolve in a way that is complementary?

I don’t know what organism might be thought to have evolved the first sexual reproduction capability, but let’s say it was an amoeba for example. What are the chances of two amoeba simultaneously and separate from each other evolving a complete and complementary reproductive system? Even if this did happen and the two amoeba were a mile apart, it would do no good as they would never meet.

Imagine the amount of changes necessary for two asexual organisms to randomly evolve into complete functional complementary male/female organisms?! Talk about believing in miracles!

God must have created the first pairs of everything.

...and yet He steals steals only one sock from the dryer...

No, those are being stolen by the denizens of the penumbra of hostile forums.

Date: 2012/01/20 12:01:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 02 2012,10:46)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 01 2012,11:06)
gpuccio      
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dFSCI is high in pseudorandom sequences, that cannot be efficiently compressed, but still convey information.

Is that right.....

Ah, you've jumped right into the tardheap.

CSI, Complex Specified Information;
a.k.a. DFSCI, Digital Functionally Specified Complex Information;
a.k.a. EF, Explanatory Filter;
a.k.a. FAI, Functional Algorithmic Information;
a.k.a. Fits, Functional Bits;
a.k.a. FSC, Functional Sequence Complexity;
a.k.a. FSCI, Functionally Specified Complex Information;
a.k.a. GSP, Genetic Selection Principle;
a.k.a. ID, Intelligent Design;
a.k.a. IR, Irreducible Complexity;
a.k.a. PI, Prescriptive Information;
a.k.a. TARD, The Argument Regarding Design;
a.k.a. UPB, Universal Probability Bound;
a.k.a. UPM, Universal Plausibility Metric;
a.k.a. FIIRDS,  Functional incredibly improbable random digital strings;
a.k.a. FSCO/I, Functionally Specific, Complex  Organisation and associated Information.

 
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 01 2012,11:06)
gpuccio      
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dFSCI is high in pseudorandom sequences, that cannot be efficiently compressed, but still convey information.

Is that right.....


To answer your question: By definition—sort of. The C is for complex, which means it can't be parsed into a simple pattern, such as by a standard compression routine. This leaves open the question of what is meant by a simple pattern and a standard compression routine.

Algorithmic complexity is only defined within a given description language, and the shortest description is generally incomputable. Dembski tries to work around this by positing a Semiote and all his background knowledge. The problem, then, is that some patterns, which may not be obvious to Dembski, may be obvious to someone else. For instance, a particular sequence may be gibberish to Dembski, but someone else might recognize it as a code for a functional protein, i.e. it has a simple description, and is therefore compressible. This has always been a problem with Dembski's CSI calculation. The seemingly independent terms are actually different expressions of the same concept.



A pattern may be obvious or simple to one observer, but not another. Here's an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....R2y6Tgo

johnnyb has an update.
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Perhaps it would be worthwhile to provide an FAQ which includes terminology. But you need to add one from my paper – RIC – Relative Irreducible Complexity.

Date: 2012/01/20 16:47:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ Jan. 20 2012,15:50)
I applaud the patience of those who continue to interact with the inmates of UD, but I can't help but wonder what would happen if the IDiots were left to their own devices for a month.  Would it go moribund or, be still my heart, would the real crazy manifest?

At first, weird theological speculations would proliferate = "real crazy".
Then, all OPs would suffer the same fate as DeNews' = "go moribund".

Date: 2012/01/20 16:51:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I'm already busy preparing cards for 23.

Date: 2012/01/21 03:25:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 20 2012,23:49)
There are actually real cases of frontloading:
Dissecting the Genetic Components of Adaptation of Escherichia coli to the Mouse Gut
Of course the IDiots will either claim
- that feeding mice requires some kind of intelligence
- it's a case of genetic degeneration
- it's just point mutations or
- the bacterial genome being frontloaded in the first place
while Shapiro will file this under "natural genetic engineering".

How would *you* feel if you were smaller, clumsier, and more rugged - of course it's degenerated, Evo! Duh!

Edit: Changed a word that was sooo the wrong one.

Date: 2012/01/21 10:35:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2012,08:27)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 07 2012,14:27)
Joe tries to argue the details.

I made this:

PDF of the thread

For when he deletes the thread.

Hahahahah.

Thanks OM- RichTard's ignorance will be forever saved in your PDF.

Why would I delete that thread anyway? It proves that evotards are as clueless as a pile of shit...

You are right, why would you delete that thread anyway - it is proof that every now and then, someone kindly takes notice of your blog.

Date: 2012/01/22 02:56:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 22 2012,01:28)
KF threatens to spank Elizabeth Liddle on the front-loading thread:
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But right now, this looks uncommonly like dumping garbage on your neighbour’s newly mown lawn, when he is entertaining guests. (And, remember, I just had to call Joe and PG to order. Is this any way to treat a guest? Can you understand how I feel like the parent having to correct a child who decides to act up in front of guests? [That noise you hear is foot tapping and old Mr Leathers being limbered up to be applied to the seat of learning with vigour. Six of the best is about right . . . ])

'Mr. Leathers'?  'Seat of learning'?  Damn, KF.

I hate to think what it must have been like growing up as kf's kid. At least his students can go home after lessons.

Date: 2012/01/22 10:13:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 22 2012,04:53)
Greetings, earthlings.

Let it be known that what is and isn't observable, by definitional fiat, must on that grounds alone (and with clear regard to the hidden agendas of those who would hoodwink us to think otherwise) be dismissed as beyond the remit of a priori materialistic investigation. This is verified as true by the massively empirically confirmed and warranted operation of design in the observable here-and-now. 500+ bits of dFCSI cannot be produced by stochastic means, though you can get a shave and a haircut for 2.

And BTW ID is not anti-evohlution. Just me. Liar. No, you're a liar.

Sorry, just coming up for air!

Oh the suspense - we'll have to wait until you are banninated to know which of the socks was yours.

Welcome!

Date: 2012/01/23 04:34:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 23 2012,03:10)
 
Quote (Seversky @ Jan. 22 2012,17:06)
You can't fool me.  You're really StephenB, aren't you?


I take extremely seriously all attempts to 'out' me. Threats have been made to Mrs Dobney and my family ... :angry:

Don't worry, Joe will chicken out just before he shows up in that car park.

Now it's a contest: Who will survive longer over at UD, Rumpelstilzchen Soapy Sam or The Whole Truth?

Welcome, TWH!

Date: 2012/01/23 04:38:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/01/23 05:25:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, Cornelius provides good fun, too.

Date: 2012/01/23 14:12:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 23 2012,10:34)
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Axe and Gauger challenge Shapiro to show that their approach is wrong: We can go into the lab and modify bacterial cells by deleting the entire set of genes dedicated to the synthesis of tryptophan, one of the essential building blocks of proteins. When we observe what happens when these modified cells are given just enough tryptophan to grow and reproduce, we will see lots of things happening, but none that can be expected to reinvent a set of genes for making tryptophan, even in a large population over billions of years.

Two scientists are talking in a lab one day and one says to the other, "Wait till you see my latest discovery. It'll blow your mind!" Naturally intrigued, the second scientist asks for a demonstration of this amazing discovery. At his request, the first scientist gets a spider out of a matchbox, places it on the desk and says, "Spider FORWARD!" At his command, the spider moves forwards. The second scientist, impressed with his friend's command of the spider, congratulates him on his work.

The first scientist then replies, "No, you haven't seen my discovery yet. Wait till you see *THIS*", and he then pulls all of the spiders legs off and places it back on the desk. The first scientist then repeats his order to the spider "Spider, FORWARD", but the spider doesn't move. "Spider, FORWARD". But it still doesn't move. By this point the second scientist is getting a little confused, and so asks his friend what it is he's trying to do, pointing out that the spider isn't going to move. "Exactly!" the first replies. "I've just discovered that when you pull a spider's legs out, they go deaf!"



A spider hears with very tiny hairs, thrichobotria, on its legs.

Now I'm curious: Are the genes for those hairs known?

Date: 2012/01/23 14:21:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 23 2012,09:52)
Joe:    
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Elizabeth,

We will add nested hierarchies to the growing list of things you do not understand.


It's funny how nobody else on UD ever supports Joe's position on anything at all...

Well, the other day kf awared him a brownie point. I'll try and find it. Joe has probably printed it out and put into a golden frame, and now it is hanging next to a crucifix in his workshop.

Edit:
Here it is: http://tinyurl.com/86lwbzk....86lwbzk
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Joe: Thanks for a good response on the tangential matter, as you will see, I am redirecting discussion of the tangential issue elsewhere. KF

I bet Joe copypasta'ed this text from somewhere.

Date: 2012/01/24 13:20:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Welcome, eigenstate!
Thanks for making me think and learn over at UD.

You do realise that the administrators of UD patrol our forum and check for familiar names, earmarking them for blocking?

Date: 2012/01/24 13:24:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Kristine, if I lived in your neighbourhood, I'd bring you bread and salt.

Date: 2012/01/24 13:31:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do.  We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc.  We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.  

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

Been done already!

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Date: 2012/01/24 17:40:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 24 2012,15:05)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,14:31)
   
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)
     
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do.  We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc.  We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.  

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

Been done already!

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Like something blending self-flagellation and flagella. Good thought.



Edit: I know, it's the wrong flagellum, but I got bored with their poster bacterium.

Date: 2012/01/25 07:52:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2012,06:53)
Joe:
 
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BTW it does appear that living things have a vital force as there isn’t any evidence that they are reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.

Link.

So now we have gpuccio, Atheistoclast = Joe Bozorgmehr, and Joe. Isn't it about time they formed a group complete with a website which engages in hating BioLogos?

Date: 2012/01/26 09:32:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Jan. 25 2012,10:02)
.... my weak brilliant attempt to do something on the flagella theme far away and in happier times. ...

FFY


Please, finish and publish this novel. Here's your cover:

Date: 2012/01/26 09:54:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
From what I gathered from Amadan's excerpt, Dembski is having an affair with Denyse.  :p

Date: 2012/01/26 11:25:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Maybe I shouldn't ask Amadan to flesh out this bit of his script.

Date: 2012/01/26 11:30:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Urgently paging Dr Liddle!
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What we observe in the chainsaw and in the iPhone are attributes for which non-intelligent causes are instinctually ruled out, because they are inadequate. It is those attributes which defy material explanations, absent the question-begging invocation of material processes as a cause for intelligence.

Tard

Date: 2012/01/26 13:38:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Faith and Flagella - the movie!

Date: 2012/01/27 16:02:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
You all must have had wonderful parents. This is the seat of learning:

Date: 2012/01/27 17:02:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Great fun under Dogs could have come from different groups of ancestors: Researchers!

ScottAndrews2 thinks that the LOrd designed some wild animals which love to socialise with humans.

Then kf wriggles when challenged to explain how ID accounts for the absence of predators on the Galapagos Islands. He starts with evolutionary terms and is immediately caught out.

ETA: ScottAndrews2 goes all mushy over parrots. He should talk to the Kiwis who live around Aoraki and have to deal with those pesky Keas.

Date: 2012/01/27 19:02:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ Jan. 27 2012,18:45)
From Darwin's The variation of animals and plants under domestication pg. 33

   
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Notwithstanding the difficulties in regard to fertility given in the last two paragraphs, when we reflect on the inherent improbability of man having domesticated throughout the world one single species alone of so widely distributed, so easily tamed, and so useful a group as the Canidæ; when we reflect on the extreme antiquity of the different breeds; and especially when we reflect on the close similarity, both in external structure and habits, between the domestic dogs of various countries and the wild species still inhabiting these same countries, the balance of evidence is strongly in favour of the multiple origin of our dogs.

Apparently the PLoS One paper proves Darwin correct. So, one wonders what they are going on about?

Edit to fix typos and such

Thanks for that Darwin quote! This is wonderful.

Denyse mentioned this paper under "News" just for information's sake. Then ScottAndrews2 commented:  
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Slightly OT – It’s evident that domestication is genetic, not just behavioral. Wild animals raised in a domestic setting retain some of that “wildness.” Even half-wolf dog breeds are oddly conflicted between domestication and fear of man.

So isn’t it odd to find large, colorful birds in the wild which seem genetically predisposed to human contact and domestication, and coincidentally possess the rare ability to mimic human speech?

I’m not condoning the often inhumane methods of their capture. But in one generation they can go from the wild to the living room where they socially interact with humans, no breeding required. Even a wild parrot can be tamed.

I realize that this is just one more “how does darwinism explain that” question. But it’s a good one. Why would darwinian processes produce a creature that is predisposed to domestication, socially interactive with humans, mimics human speech, and is even distinctly pleasant to look at, all in the absence of humans?

That’s the less-than-scientific evidence that sits in plain view challenging us to recognize or ignore it as we wish.


One one hand, I am genuinely touched by his naive love of parrots - I too, like the Keas even if they dismantle cars and eat from live sheep -, but on the other hand I find it amazing how resistant he is to scientific explanations.

Date: 2012/01/27 19:30:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 27 2012,16:41)
Thought you guys may want to see some of our latest imagery for Hellbound?

This looks sooo Fifties - yawn!

Date: 2012/01/27 20:11:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, I don't know anything about parrots in general. But I do know that Keas are extremely intelligent, curious, playful, co-operative, and fearless (never any predators around). My guess is that this way, these parrots are genetically predisposed to interact with anything and anyone who might be a source of good food and good company.

Date: 2012/01/28 11:16:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (k.e.. @ Jan. 27 2012,21:13)
Do they actually have teh innernets in Westland now?

Of course not. For long-distance communication, they use Nestor notabilis domesticus, aka Homing Keas.

Date: 2012/01/28 11:40:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 28 2012,01:19)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 27 2012,18:11)
Well, I don't know anything about parrots in general. But I do know that Keas are extremely intelligent, curious, playful, co-operative, and fearless (never any predators around).

Keas are obsessively curious. I was having lunch at Arthur's Pass one day, wearing a ratty pair of shoes, one of which was starting to lose its sole.  A kea hopped over and amused me by spending an entire 15 minutes tugging on the flap, trying to pull the sole all the way off.

It wanted to eat your toes.

Date: 2012/01/28 14:46:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Jan. 23 2012,07:34)
Quote (Seversky @ Jan. 22 2012,18:06)

<snip>
You can't fool me.  You're really StephenB, aren't you?

I was just about to post, wondering what had happened to the Sultan of Smarm, Altar Boy to Clive Hayden, our StephenB. I'm not reading UD regularly enough to see if he is still up to his wacky hijinx over there, but reading here I don't see as many howls of outrage/bellylaughs over his pronouncements as I used to. Is he still posting there or has he
a) graduated
b) started to get laid

Enquiring minds could care less.

Cameo appearance here.

Date: 2012/01/29 05:32:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 29 2012,02:18)
Here's a good David Attenborough documentary on kea intelligence:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

That can't be right - in part 1, they exhibit altruism !!111one!!!
And yet, they couldn't have read the bible or watched a video by Silly Willy Lane Craig, could they?

Thanks for the links!

Date: 2012/01/29 13:33:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Grumpy Old Man warns Bydand:  
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Every post under that name (which is no coincidence) is already highly questionable mockery; as you full well know or should know. (FYI, just using that name puts you for cause at strike two on threads I host. Any significant misbehaviour on your part will lead to a direct request never to post on any thread I host. Indeed, already, I would prefer that if you wish to post on threads I host, you get another handle. So, you have been served your only and final notice.)

Date: 2012/01/29 17:02:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Tom A @ Jan. 27 2012,23:48)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 27 2012,11:22)
I had an extremely disturbing epiphany* the other day.

JoeG is remarkable like my father.  

They are both idiots who think they are smart.
They both think that they know everything.
They both think that volume and intimidation are effective arguments for or against a position.
They both think that ignorance and failure to actually research claims are effective techniques.
They both only read things with a view to how it reinforces their already established beliefs.
Neither handles conflict well... especially when they are on the losing side (which is always).
Neither takes their own statements to the next logical step and is able to see how ridiculous that makes them.

I guess that's why I haven't talked to my dad in a long time.

___
* Joe, that means I figured something out.

You must be my long lost brother!

Somehow, this sounds like my father, too.  :O

Date: 2012/01/29 17:06:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
aiguy sure knows how to taunt Joe:  
Quote
That’s the problem with ID! You use these words like “design” and “agency”, and they have these rich meanings in the heads of ID enthusiasts, but you refuse to make these meanings explicit. And you get annoyed when people like me INNOCENTLY try to understand what it is you are talking about!

(my emphasis)

And bang! Joe explodes:  
Quote
... Until then I would say they are as FoS as you are.

Date: 2012/01/29 18:19:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 29 2012,17:33)
Joe:
 
Quote
Well you can’t please everyone and there will always be a few crackpots.

I followed your link, and at the end this is what I found:
Quote
Ya see we exist, there is only one reality behind that existence and I am not going to wait for some philosophers to finish wiping themselves to try to figure out that reality.


Does that mean what I fear it means?

Date: 2012/01/30 04:02:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ Jan. 30 2012,00:24)
On another topic, what's with Gordon and "Bydand"?  Don't tell me that Gordon, Wind of the Carribean, is claiming a tie to Gordon of the Highlanders?

I mean, he certainly doesn't look Scotch.

And I thought "bydand" had a super-secret meaning my Google Fu couldn't discover.

Date: 2012/01/30 05:36:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ Jan. 30 2012,04:18)

ROFL! And I bet Mel Gibson and KF would get on like a house on fire.

Date: 2012/01/30 07:38:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ Jan. 30 2012,06:59)
champignon gives kairosfocus some much needed correction here:
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I’m ashamed to say that when I read Gil’s post and your subsequent comments, I actually believed that the songwriter was expressing approval of the burning of synagogues. I figured that you and Gil couldn’t possibly be brazen enough to quote mine the song lyrics, particularly when anyone could look them up online. Well, you and Gil have stooped that low, and you can bet I won’t be assuming your honesty in the future.

and here:
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Onlookers,

Imagine the outcry from kairosfocus if an atheist had quotemined a Christian song in order to smear Christianity. We’d get 500+ indignant lines talking about how “evo mat” amorality was leading to the destruction of civilization.

What hypocrisy.

Could this be the combination of posts that finally increase the pressure in kairosfocus head beyond the structural limits of his skull?

Combined with woodford's posts who repeatedly questioned KF's authority along the line of "I don't know this guy, so why should I take his comments as gospel?"

Date: 2012/01/30 11:18:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Who says ID proponentsists don't want to talk about the "how?" Gpuccio courageously formulates a hypothesis:
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Biological design is not implemented in artificail labs, like humans do, but directly in lioving things and in the living environment, and probably through a direct interaction between consciousness and matter. That creates different possibilities, and different constraints.

Date: 2012/01/30 11:23:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
UD's way of organising comments is a mess; it's logical but not convenient to follow.

Date: 2012/01/31 11:35:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Baby Jesus finally delivered my Christmas present:
Evolution's Witness - How Eyes Evolved
Ivan R. Schwab, Oxford University Press 2012
306 pages, 28,5 x 22 cm

Easy to navigate contents pages, generous index


I have had a first quick look at it; it is definitely layperson friendly. Lots of pictures, too.







(my images not to scale)

Soon I'll be able to tear kairosfocus to shreds when he comes up once again with his doubts about the evolution of the eye.

Date: 2012/01/31 15:01:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
... Yes, there have always been wolves who sneak in and hide in shepherd’s robes, but in fact, the tradition of genuine shepherds has been long and distinguished, ...

kairosfocus is so shameless it makes me literally sick.

Since the persecution of the Cathars and the Waldensians in the 13. century, Europe and the "Holy Land"  have been rife with bloodshed in the name of Christian religion, culminating in the 30 Years' War (yes, I'm aware of political motives blending nicely in).
And this vile person dares to downplay it to a - lopsided - figure of speech? The occasional wolf? What about the religious leaders who delivered convenient justifications for the next campaign? What about the priests who blessed the weapons before sending the boys to the front?

Want to see a truly amoral person? Read his comments.

Date: 2012/01/31 17:08:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
BTW, in this thread kf has begun to call the forum that must not speak its name "fever swamp". Compared to the lately used "penumbra" definitely an upgrade.

ETA: I'll add the quote later if I find it.

Date: 2012/01/31 17:52:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
aiguy_again runs rings around Joe - methinks I recognize the style ...

Joe is open-minded!
               
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As for evidence for UFOs and ancient astronauts, there is plenty. Great Britain opened up its files and there is more than enough in those alone.

Then there are massive stone structures allegedly cut and moved by people who couldn’t even write- we might not be able to duplicate some of the things they built.

And yes paranormal events have been investigated and I would love to see any skeptic go into some of these places- I get to choose.

But anyway take a trip to Peru and Bolivia- check out Puma Punku, Tiahuanaco, Nasca- hey there is a mountain missing its entire top- as if it was just scraped off for a landing area.

Check it out.


Going out on a limb:
 
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The evidence for abstract designers is that there is evidence for paranormal activity, eg ghosts.


... and back again:
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Go soak your head in ice water.


I really really suspect I recognize that style:

 
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I appreciate you keeping the discussion on such a high level of discourse. ID is lucky to have as intelligent and articulate a spokesman as you!

I’ve also noticed that your belief in God has made you a happy, loving person. Isn’t religion great?

Date: 2012/01/31 19:32:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 31 2012,18:56)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 31 2012,17:08)
BTW, in this thread kf has begun to call the forum that must not speak its name "fever swamp".


Where is this fever swamp of which you speak? I may grab myself an ID!

Whoever mentions or links to "After the Bar Closes" over at UD gets his comment deleted and risks bannination.

Date: 2012/02/01 14:09:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 31 2012,21:42)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 31 2012,19:32)
   
Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 31 2012,18:56)
   
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 31 2012,17:08)
BTW, in this thread kf has begun to call the forum that must not speak its name "fever swamp".


Where is this fever swamp of which you speak? I may grab myself an ID!

Whoever mentions or links to "After the Bar Closes" over at UD gets his comment deleted and risks bannination.

Joe linked me here! Still not banninated, though.

All animals are equal but ...

Date: 2012/02/01 14:11:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Be nice to Timaeus!
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Sure, ID supporters aren’t perfect. I would prefer that some of the ID people who post here did not post arguments the length of book chapters with a score of long quotations that no one has time to read. I would prefer it if accusations of immorality or wickedness were never levelled at someone just because he endorses Darwinism or finds some ID argument inadequate. I would prefer it if some people wouldn’t seem to argue as if Darwinism must be false as biology because it had some bad historical consequences for ethics or politics.


bornagain and kf must be fuming.

Date: 2012/02/01 17:48:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 01 2012,17:05)
Now that Dembski is going to have more time on his hands, being relieved of his vacation bible school duties, perhaps he'll address the issue of CSI.  Elizabeth Liddle has provided him with a perfect opportunity, and on his own blog no less:
 
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This is fine if all arrangements are equiprobable. But what if they’re not?

Exactly! In other words, in order to do the calculation for the quantity Dembski calls CSI, the “pattern that signifies intelligence” you have to know the probability of the observed pattern under the null. And Dembski makes absolutely no attempt to even begin to calculate that. And that’s the gaping vacuum at the heart of ID – or at least at the heart of Dembski’s ID.

He won't accept the challenge if he knows what's good for him. Elizabeth Liddle would kill him softly.

Date: 2012/02/01 17:53:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
And now an insane interlude: Joe has started to obsess about UFOs all over the place and has finally found a kindred soul.  
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Strange that in a thread about space aliens no one wants to talk about the evidence for UFOs.

Bruce David agrees:
 
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Or the substantial evidence that the vast majority of the more than 10,000 crop circles reported since the ’80s could not have been produced by any known human technology.

Date: 2012/02/02 13:24:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I might have found a new signature line:
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Evolution is not a theory, it is a broad area of research, a research program as it were, into sex and birth defects.

Tard

Date: 2012/02/02 14:01:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 02 2012,13:41)
You have to admit it is witty. UD would be more fun if the debate proceeded like that.

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a broad area of research, a research program as it were, into sex and birth defects.

There's less fun in sex if you have to think about birth defects.

As for the UFO phantasies etc., I guess a lot of people - me included - would find it cool if extraterrestrials, Nessie, or the city of El Dorado were discovered. From there to fervently believe it is still a step.

Date: 2012/02/02 15:59:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Wolfhound @ Feb. 02 2012,14:47)
You guys might want to wander over to the Talk Rational life sciences forum.  I rustled us up a YEC Catholic who has just outed as a jen-yoo-wine geocentrist!  I've never actually encountered one before, only heard the legends.

Hehe, I just suggested he turn flat earther over at TalkRat! After all, it would only be consistent.

Date: 2012/02/03 13:44:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I don't think he's a troll - or if he is, he is a mega-troll. He has his own website where he embarasses the RCC.
The other day, he accused Copernicus of metaphysical presuppositions - Copernicus was a priest, for heaven's sake!

Date: 2012/02/04 15:24:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Come to think of it, I bet Denyse is a sedevacantist, too.

Date: 2012/02/04 15:27:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 03 2012,14:11)
http://www.philocomp.net/humanit....gnature

I'd volunteer to enter comments into WORD if someone else used the programme.

EDIT: I see that in the meantime you seem to have found ways to get material.

Date: 2012/02/08 15:52:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
I have a degree in chemical engineering.  The idiotic statements about the second law are raising my blood pressure and sorely tempting me to sock up.
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Joe:
Living organisms arising from non-living matter via unplanned, unguided, blind processes would violate the second law.

Would someone over there please ask him to show the math behind that claim?


Over at the Panda, there was a loooong discussion of Granville Sewell’s unanswerable argument all about their lies wrt the 2 LoT.

Edit: Quote added.

Date: 2012/02/08 16:25:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ Feb. 08 2012,16:06)
I tried to leave a comment on Jonathan Bartlett's article at the page he links to from UD
http://www.classicalconversations.com/easyblo....?team=1

Can anyone else see it? I'm not sure if he moderates the site or not.

This one?
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David Vun Kannon · Director at Deloitte
I think you are too focused on 'mutation' in your description of evolution. There are many ways that genetic information could change that are not simple mutation, chromosomal rearrangement in sexual reproduction being the most obvious.

Date: 2012/02/17 06:01:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I'm seriously miffed: Bully Bannington waited for me to go away for one week to let you have all the fun.

Date: 2012/02/17 09:39:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (damitall @ Feb. 17 2012,08:26)
"Bydand" was a little acerbic about the current raised level of hypocrisy at The Tardpit, suggesting that if they felt that tedious and stupid materialists ought to be banned, they might, in equity, look to banning those of the Home Team who were at least as tedious and stupid.

"Bydand" thus joins the Glorious Fallen, or Legion of the Silently Banned.

Was it a swift knife in a dark alley, or a public execution?

Edit: How embarrassing - only now I noticed "Silently Banned".

Date: 2012/02/17 10:19:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I bet Mullings didn't use snail mail for at least one year.

Date: 2012/02/17 15:05:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/02/18 08:45:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (damitall @ Feb. 18 2012,04:04)
I was idly thinking that maybe I could set up a small Foundation to run an essay competition in certain islands; for teenagers, say, to write about how they think their lot might improve without religion

All straight up, of course - properly judged and a small cash prize offered and paid as promised.

With luck, kf might explode on learning of it.

Here's 50 Euro waiting to be invested in a worthy cause.

Date: 2012/02/18 16:37:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 18 2012,12:03)
Barry:  

 
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I really like Dr. Liddle. I may have mistaken her stubborn insistence on sticking to her guns (in the face of what I perceive as overwhelming and irrefutable arguments to the contrary) as intellectual dishonesty, and if I did I apologize. Dr. Liddle, I hope you continue to post here. As frustrating as you can be, this would be a boring site if we did not have someone from the other side to joust with. And it is fun to joust with you.

It has dawned on Bully Bannington that the brighter ID proponents have followed her to her blog, leaving him with the YECs.

Date: 2012/02/19 11:25:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ Feb. 19 2012,09:54)
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Our Gil Dodgen now contributes at Elizabeth Liddle’s Skeptical Zone

Yes, Denyse.  And Elizabeth's status at UD is?

They are desperately trying to get Elizabeth Liddle to post again at UD. Bully Bannington already publicly invited her to come back - see our Blog Tsar Thread. Currently they are witnessing a lively discussion going on at Dr Liddle's blog, with some UD heavies participating. So they want to get that traffic back. I hope that's not going to happen.

I'd love to know what's going on behind the scenes at UD - are they tearing Bully Bannington to pieces for killing off UD?

Date: 2012/02/19 11:30:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 19 2012,10:29)
Oh, I've been 24 many times (I assume that's what Kattarina means, these Germans get their numbers the wrong was round).

Nice try, Bob. The Birthday Calendar says 42. Now you owe me a huge slice of your birthday cake.

Date: 2012/02/20 10:12:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Zachriel reports over at The Skeptical Zone:
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Jupiter does exist. (We did answer this in the affirmative on Uncommon Descent, but our comment disappeared into the æther of silent bannination.)

Date: 2012/02/21 06:15:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ugh, it twitched and lost a chunk:
Dawkin's ancestors were slave traders! 111eleven!!!

Date: 2012/02/21 08:53:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 21 2012,08:46)
So, Joe gets a free pass on being an obtuse autistic prick on yet another blog.  Is there some kind of affirmative action for creationist retards that i have not heard about?

He's the comical relief.

Date: 2012/02/23 00:20:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 22 2012,21:46)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 22 2012,20:45)
David Klinghoffer is upset about NCSE almost adding Peter Gleick to the NCSE Board of Directors.

He lays it on pretty thick for a guy fronting an organization that has paid a salary to Casey Luskin for years now.

Hmmm. "Gleick" also sounds pretty German, which is what Hitler was*

http://scienceandcreation.blogspot.com/2010.......at.html

*Almost.

I followed your link: Whatever this guy claims to be, he can't be a True Christian ™.

Date: 2012/02/23 15:20:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/02/24 09:47:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 24 2012,06:45)
That's it.

I am applying for Armenian citizenship, retrospective if possible.

Okay, okay ...

Date: 2012/02/25 06:11:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Gregory's OP "Why Methodological Naturalism is a Questionable Philosophy of Science" eventually reveals his feeble grasp of scientific terms. When Petrushka asks:
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What's an extra-natural thing? Can you give an example?

Gregory states:
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Technology


In the thread, it becomes clear that Gregory thinks "natural" means "without human interference".

Date: 2012/02/27 03:21:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Nice try, fnxtr and Erasmus!

Date: 2012/02/27 16:36:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. - Lou FCD]

A normal day at Joe's repair shop.


Date: 2012/02/28 12:04:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 26 2012,08:30)
Do You Ever Get The Feeling You're Being Watched?



Congratulations!

This is my favourite.

Date: 2012/03/02 07:29:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

This film was a riot! OTOH, it's not hard to win the title of funniest German film evah - our humour is rather clumsy compared to the British.

Date: 2012/03/02 10:12:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 02 2012,08:37)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 02 2012,07:29)
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 02 2012,04:31)
Speaking of which, has anyone seen Schtonk!? Funniest German film evah

This film was a riot! OTOH, it's not hard to win the title of funniest German film evah - our humour is rather clumsy compared to the British.

I thought the funniest German film was Dinner for One. :-)

Guess what we watched this New Year's Eve. We know the butler's lines by heart, and still it was hilarious.

Date: 2012/03/02 13:14:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Disturbing close-up of Joe's avatar over at TSZ



I kid you not - no photo chopping involved.

Date: 2012/03/02 17:18:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Mar. 02 2012,17:02)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 02 2012,14:14)
Disturbing close-up of Joe's avatar over at TSZ



I kid you not - no photo chopping involved.

What is that big round green thing Joe is stuck to?

One of the watermelons he uses for tick breeding - the white blobs on top are the ticks.

Right now, he is in dire straits; people have started to pester him about the CSI his GA generates when hitting a new protein.

Date: 2012/03/03 02:15:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 02 2012,18:09)
that is one of the default avatars

I know. But out of maybe dozens available, he went ahead and picked this one, didn't he?

Date: 2012/03/03 07:59:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 03 2012,07:29)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 03 2012,01:03)
 
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No- this is MY own- MINE and has nothing to do with Shappy- I have had this for years now.



Magic, breathless stuff.



ahhem . . . kof . . kofff

And it is mine too.

And here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....iPizDIs

Date: 2012/03/03 08:01:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I felt sorry for Joe until I realised that he enjoys being reduced to a meltdown. I think all this phony discussion of sciencey topics is just a necessary foreplay to him.

Date: 2012/03/03 11:25:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 03 2012,09:03)
i realize that Captain Guano is invested in not-knowing-what-the-fuck he is talking about but perhaps a simple diagram would help him (and ratchet down the LULZ)

after all he clearly cannot comprehend the abstraction, what with "there is no population" viz "the population is the DNA" and the other epically stupid things that are preserved in that thread forever.  but maybe, just maybe, he might have a damascus road experience if you could get him to pull that fist out of his britches for a second and look at a picture

I think he found out what GAs are all about pages ago, that's why he is now insisting on "MY GA" as opposed to the evos' GA.

Date: 2012/03/04 01:59:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 03 2012,20:50)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 03 2012,00:15)
 
Quote (BWE @ Mar. 02 2012,18:09)
that is one of the default avatars

I know. But out of maybe dozens available, he went ahead and picked this one, didn't he?

dr. buzzkill to the rescue. No, it's done by the software.

It has been pointed out by The Whole Truth:
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Hi Kattarina, from what I can tell the avatars are assigned automatically, rather than chosen. At least when I post there my avatar just shows up and I didn't choose it. If anything, that makes joe's avatar even funnier. Of all the available avatars, he got that one. Maybe there's a 'designer' after all. ;)


In German, in this case we wouldn't call it coincidence, but "Weltgeist", cosmic spirit.   :p

Date: 2012/03/05 10:27:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 05 2012,10:09)
... The book has been acquired ...

Uh-oh - they actually paid in advance for this crap?

Date: 2012/03/06 11:05:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2012,09:09)
They woulda got away with it if they hadn't bragged before publication. Premature jubilation.

And that says a lot about the review process at Springer.

Date: 2012/03/06 11:46:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 06 2012,11:16)
Now Joe misunderstands SLoT from the safety of the parking lot:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......of.html

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Again the argument pertains to naturalism- you have to explain the universe using the blind watchmaker wrt 2nd law.


That's easy: 42.

Date: 2012/03/06 14:07:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
Kevin I have had many of my comments disappear from here.


What? Delete your comments and thereby deprive ourselves of the lulz?

Date: 2012/03/06 14:11:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I miss him, too! Please make him come back!

Date: 2012/03/08 06:40:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/03/08 10:51:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Amazing!

Caption below one of the pictures:
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Spiders and other insects fill the trees after flooding ...
 :p

Date: 2012/03/09 01:39:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I noticed that TSZ tries to plant LSO (= Flash) cookies. Of course my browser plug-in catches them, I am just wondering why these cookies are necessary.

Otherwise, a great blog - congratz!

Date: 2012/03/09 03:43:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:08)
Umm archaeologists and forensic scientists can and do determine design BEFORE knowing anything about the designer- and there are unsolved crimes and there are artifacts taht we don't know if humans didit- see Puma Punku, for one.

Joe, it is a common fallacy to underestimate the skills of ancient cultures. But fortunately, in some cases we know not only the name of the engineer, we can even read their textbooks. Look up Roman Aqueducts for a brilliant example.

Date: 2012/03/09 04:02:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh noes - my last post on "Joe's Tardgasm" doesn't show, even though is it mentioned as the last post of the thread. Is it my browser?

Date: 2012/03/09 06:06:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks! For a moment, I thought I was in moderation.   ;-)

Date: 2012/03/09 07:31:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 09 2012,06:49)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 09 2012,03:43)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 08 2012,18:08)
Umm archaeologists and forensic scientists can and do determine design BEFORE knowing anything about the designer- and there are unsolved crimes and there are artifacts taht we don't know if humans didit- see Puma Punku, for one.

Joe, it is a common fallacy to underestimate the skills of ancient cultures. But fortunately, in some cases we know not only the name of the engineer, we can even read their textbooks. Look up Roman Aqueducts for a brilliant example.

So Roman aquaductys explains Puma Punku?

How does that work?

Let me explain, Cupcake.

In my example, we have got evidence that more than 2,000 years ago, an ancient culture was capable of amazing technological feats - hands free, no computers, no decimal system ...
In Puma Punku, we have no written records. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


May I suggest that you consider parsimony? That is, why phantasize about aliens, Cupcake, when human engineering was perfectly capable of building complicated structures elsewhere?

Date: 2012/03/09 11:17:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Mar. 09 2012,09:49)
Don't worry, I'm sure he's just about to do something.  Something like call you an assface, or accuse you of eating poopy diapers, or threaten to come to your house and physically attack you.  Just like any insecure, unimaginative 11-year old bully might do.  Joe always does, sooner or later.

Or maybe that wasn't the something you were hoping for.

Did someone just mention diapers? I give you Captain Guano!

Date: 2012/03/09 11:30:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 09 2012,10:26)
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I know- I have actually been there and no one knows how or if humans did it- the allged "experts" say that the natives they alledge didit didn't evn have a written language- yet anyone who has ever been in construction will tell you that it is close to impossible to build such a site without it.


Yeah those nasty, illiterate, non-white, non-christians were totally incapable of doing anything. Fact of the matter is we do know how is was built and by whom. When I say that the archaeology of the Tiwanaku is well know I mean we have been excavating Tiwanaku sites for quite a long time and have a good grasp on the orgins and growth of the culture - as well as their building techniques, pottery and lithic styles, social stucture, religion, etc.

It always amazes me that creationist will mock scientists for some of their mistakes, accuse them of sloppy methods and such, and then turn around and accept, unexamined, the most ridiculous twaddle imaginable.

Thank you, afarensis!

Date: 2012/03/09 12:13:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 09 2012,11:35)
Okay I can't resist this.



An archaeological team from the University of Pennsylvania used the above boat, made of reeds, to move a 9 ton block of rock to Tiwanaku. You can read more about that here, but here is a longish bit:

     
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We sailed toward the town of Copacabana, an important pilgrimage site both today and during the pre-Columbian period. Previous geological analyses had indicated that the green andesite stones of Tiwanaku came from this volcanic peninsula that nearly divides Titicaca into two lakes. Around this peninsula one can also find piedras cansadas (“tired stones”) that had been abandoned in the past after having been roughly shaped and dragged to the shore. While our boat was under construction, we located an ideal stone on the outskirts of Copacabana,weighing more than 9 tons and measuring roughly 3 m by 1.3 m by 1 m—about the size of the celebrated Ponce monolith at Tiwanaku. This stone was perched on a steep incline about 20 m above a rocky shoreline. Over several days, 20 Aymara from the Isla del Sol filled the crevasses and troughs of the boulder field below the stone, creating a ramp leading to open water.

Using eucalyptus poles as levers to push and pry the stone and one very thick rope wrapped around it, a group ranging from 25 to 40 people moved the stone to the edge of the water in three days. We now moved the boat into place and anxiously wondered if, with one more push, our experiment would end ingloriously. Would the 9-ton stone tip our boat over, sink it, or even break through the boat? With the help of Bolivia’s navy, we rolled the stone off the ramp and into the boat. Everyone stood quietly for a moment, and then broke into a cheer when the boat held.


After some sailing they reach their destination:

   
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Our destination was the hamlet of Santa Rosa on the Taraco peninsula, the shore closest to Tiwanaku where archaeological evidence indicates the stones were offloaded. A 13 m wide canal dating from the Colonial period (if not earlier) allowed us to sail directly into the shelter of its banks. Soon after we arrived, the town’s leaders came to greet us. They were enthusiastic and hospitable. They placed a bridge of eucalyptus between the boat and the bank of the canal, drew ropes around the stone, positioned levers, and lubricated the bridge with water. With about 50 people—men,women, and children—they rolled the stone off the boat and moved it 60 m up the bank in less than an hour with no organization from our team.


Examing the results of this experiment the researchers conclude:

     
Quote
The most surprising aspect about this project was how feasible it had been. The raw material, the totora, grows in huge and sustainable quantities along the lake’s edge. There were stretches of hard work, but it was accomplished for the most part in a rather tranquil manner by a single Aymara extended family. Large groups of people were needed only for short and rather festive efforts. During the voyage, we were frustrated at times by the currents and winds, and sometimes even afraid. But now that we had the method down and understood more about the lake, we could probably transport hundreds of tons of stone in a season before the boat gave out. All that would be required is the ability to organize and motivate different groups of people. That aspect, organizing diverse communities across 90 km of shoreline and open water, was our biggest challenge.We initially found this to be very frustrating and an obstacle to our pursuit of science and truth, but this is where the greatest insight from this project lays.


* Legal Disclaimer: No space aliens, real or otherwise, were harmed during the course of this experiment.

Edit to fix some formatting issues in the quotes.

Yeah, but all those locals who helped are the offspring of aliens who mated with humans.

ETA: This is brilliant! I bet the local population will never believe in that crap about aliens.



Date: 2012/03/09 13:35:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 09 2012,12:53)
I don't know if it's funny or sad that three of us Poed the article.

You may be on to something. In the absence of Captain Guano, we post his likely comments - could this be an unhealthy addiction?

Date: 2012/03/09 14:27:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
To drive my point home - don't underestimate ancient cultures:  
Quote
One historical document indicates that the community of Jesus de Machaca, one valley over from Tiwanaku, actually wrote to the Protestant King of England to offer an alliance against the Catholic Spanish. This document dates to 1571, demonstrating a well- developed sense of geopolitics and European rivalries less than 40 years after the Spanish invasion.


From the paper afarensis linked to.

Date: 2012/03/10 12:49:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
A slow and painful demise, hehe.

Date: 2012/03/13 02:35:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 12 2012,22:37)
I have not been able to keep up with everything plus being sick, let along the Coppafeelie case.

I hope you are fine now.

Date: 2012/03/13 04:02:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 12 2012,21:01)
I'm wondering if someone would be willing to create a thread about the Coppedge case?

There's an article on Yahoo News about it here.

Over at PT you can discuss Coppedge to your heart's delight:
link

Date: 2012/03/13 07:37:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (damitall @ Mar. 13 2012,06:18)
Paranoia

Mullings:
   
Quote
I notice we are running at a better than 100:1 views to comments ratio, about ten times the usual ratio for UD, which strongly suggests that this thread is under hostile observation.


Couldn't be any other reason, could there?

Thanking god for small mercies, is it, kf? Why not count comments per thread?

Date: 2012/03/15 06:49:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 14 2012,08:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 14 2012,02:02)
MOAR GUANO:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....e....e_id=57

364 comments in guano, no way i am counting but my back of the envelope guess is that full 50% are joetards

fitting name for his personal  TSZ thread, too

It's 63%, and he is crapping in the sand pit box, too.

Edited because my vocabulary sucks.



Date: 2012/03/15 07:45:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (damitall @ Mar. 15 2012,06:42)
Liz reports that kairosfocus has attempted to post at TSZ, but got caught in a spam-trap.

(I haven't bothered looking to see if she's set it free, since I might be tempted to read it, and I'm nearing the limit of my capacity for being told that Western Civilisation is on the steep slope to perdition, because chi-squared and Plato, or something)

Surely that post, from that poster, means UD has twitched its last anti-evolutionary spasm?

Do we get to dance on its grave?

She did set it free but doesn't know where it was.
See this comment and the next one.

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....n....nt-8099

Date: 2012/03/15 12:37:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 15 2012,09:03)
Lets examine the evidence. We have evidence of humans in the the area for many thousands of years prior to the building of monumental architecture. We have evidence of the growth of human culture in the area from hunter-gatherer to complex, stratified civilizations. We have evidence of their tools, we have evidence of their building techniques, we have evidence that tells us where they got their building material from and how they moved it.

What we do have is any evidence of space aliens. we have no rayguns, or lasers, or parts of spaceships, or space suits. We have no remains of space aliens. We have absolutely nothing.

Your so-called evidence is garbage. Joe knows better who built those amazing ancient structures.

Date: 2012/03/16 03:38:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 15 2012,13:37)
However, the book is still listed at Amazon.com.

(cross posted at PT)

Quote
Available for Pre-order. This item will be released on March 31, 2012

Can this be true? Springer couldn't be planning to make some bucks selling the book to the US creationists while bashfully hiding the mess from their German customers?

Date: 2012/03/16 07:03:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
KF is trying to proof Elizabeth Liddle wrong - by posting his comments over at UD.

I haven't yet decided if he is a coward, a weirdo, or both.

Link points to TSZ, of course.  :p

Date: 2012/03/16 10:25:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 16 2012,10:13)
The new mall is plenty busy.

I give KF two more weeks - tops - until he tries to comment at the new mall again instead of talking about it at the ghost mall.

Date: 2012/03/16 11:31:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He might be in two minds; of course he loves to control discussions. OTOH, he craves an audience, and his audience has migrated elsewhere.

Date: 2012/03/16 17:18:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh noes! This time, Joe leaves Lizzie for good!
Quote
Joe G on March 16, 2012 at 11:20 am said:
But anyway have fun with your strawman- I am growing tired of correcting you and the guys at UD don't give a hoot about anything you say, even though I tried to get them involved

Ya see it is just no use to try to deal with you.


And it's really truly true! Or is it?
Quote
Joe G on March 16, 2012 at 8:10 pm said:
... tard ...

Date: 2012/03/16 17:50:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 16 2012,17:27)
Damn you Kattarina! I was just about to post that notFlounce!





Date: 2012/03/17 03:10:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 14 2012,16:33)
I'll feel a lot better if they let me on the base Friday for Michele Obama's visit! OMG (so to speak), I have just been hired as an archivist there - oh please, oh puh-lease let me meet her! :)

Did you meet her? And if you did, I'd like to know every tiny detail, please.

Date: 2012/03/17 03:52:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/03/17 09:27:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I was scolded for posting a Leprechaun for Amadan's birthday. Would it be fine to post St Patrick today?

Date: 2012/03/17 10:46:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
On behalf of Bavaria, I'd like to thank the Irish for bringing Christian religion to our region.   ;-)

Date: 2012/03/17 12:03:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sledgehammer @ Mar. 17 2012,11:27)
I guess the Pharangulates are more fun than we are. I has hurt (sniff).  Maybe we should offer some gelato?

He posted over there just two days ago. I don't go there often and never read the comments; I found him with a Google search.

If we really really want him back: Should I make the sacrifice to check daily and register with Pharyngula (shudder!) to invite him back?

And if I do it, what's in it for me?

Date: 2012/03/17 16:36:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/03/18 03:33:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Moderator at 3:07:
Quote
We live in a pluralistic society, we have Christians, we have Catholics, we have Muslims, we have Jewish people, ...

Date: 2012/03/19 04:35:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Our hero is still courageously pushing the frontiers of science towards Disneyland.
Quote
ticks are attracted to watermelon

I will prove that again this year- that is they are more attracted watermelon than the dry forrest in which they reside.

Date: 2012/03/19 10:51:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 19 2012,10:42)
Could we get into total reality denial.  Was Galileo wrong and the church right?

Not as absurd as you may think.

Date: 2012/03/19 14:20:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sledgehammer @ Mar. 19 2012,08:45)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 19 2012,03:44)
Hey Joe,
http://www.plosone.org/article....0033288

Which mutations did your designer do?

Well, somebody has to say it:

"But they're still Drosophila"

I want to see frikkin' laser beams.  Is that too much to ask?

Date: 2012/03/20 14:38:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Okay, I'm guilty: I just peeked at UD to gloat over the the deafening silence - surprise: Dr Dr WAD himself came to the rescue to increase the traffic.

Date: 2012/03/21 12:20:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
interviews with an eclectic group of high profile authors, theologians, pastors, social commentators, musicians, exorcists and individuals who claim to have experienced the fires of hell firsthand.

(my emphasis)

I'm relieved to find that at least, they couldn't find an expert in witch hunting.

And by the way, they are still too cheap to employ a web designer.

Date: 2012/03/21 12:23:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/03/22 11:37:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I'm Googling him daily over at Pharyngula - he's a no-show since March 14.

Date: 2012/03/24 04:11:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 23 2012,23:28)
assocyst is really delivering the yuks on the PT BW right now

Thanks for the laughs. The best ones are
Quote
I never made threats of physical violence against you (= Plavcan; Katt.) or your students, only against certain conference organizers. ...
if you think I am “dangerous” then you could use campus security to keep watch over me.

And a couple of comments later:
Quote
How do you think the United States was born? People took up arms and killed others. If conference staff tried to exclude me, contrary to their own rules, I would use all means necessary to have my voice heard.

Date: 2012/03/26 10:38:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 25 2012,23:46)
Clasty has been banned from PT. Is this the first banning since Dave Scott?

If you miss him you can always watch him boasting about his scientific feats over at TalkRat.

Date: 2012/03/26 11:07:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Looking forward to it. If he shows up, let's give him his own thread, shall we?

Date: 2012/03/26 11:12:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
As Google is slow showing his latest comments over at Pharyngula, I went through some comments manually; he left a post the other day.
I didn't contact him because he didn't even react to the SMS.

Date: 2012/03/26 11:59:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Where would he go? He is banned at PT, Pharyngula, and rationalskepticism; at TalkRat members don't discuss with him, they just laugh. And if he uses a sock his insolence will give him away rather sooner than later.

Date: 2012/03/26 19:00:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
... at least here in Europe. Texas will have to wait some more hours.

Date: 2012/03/27 04:28:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 26 2012,14:12)
Looks like he's already resurfaced back at UD ...

Heheh, that's a really big audience, innit?

Edit:
I used to think that he is just a harmless nutter, but reading some of the comments of persons who are genuinely concerned I remembered another nutter and what he did in Oslo.



Date: 2012/03/27 09:10:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Mar. 27 2012,06:45)
According to the study, people who said they were a "born-again" Protestant or Catholic, or conversely, those who had no religious affiliation, had more hippocampal shrinkage (or "atrophy") compared to people who identified themselves as Protestants, but not born-again.

Memo to self: Get  MRI scan and pick a religious affiliation if result is alarming.

Date: 2012/03/27 09:50:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The study seems to say that the atrophy is stress related. Fortunately, where I live not being religious is default, so no stress whatsoever.

Date: 2012/03/27 11:46:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ Mar. 27 2012,11:04)
What do you think will happen?

Date: 2012/03/27 12:48:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sledgehammer @ Mar. 27 2012,09:18)
Joe the Bozorg is a troll?  How can that be?  Say it ain't so!

He's getting weirder by the day. Over at TalkRat, he whined about the hefty fees of a conference in Dublin in late June organised by The Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution (SMBE). Then he decided to attend after all:  
Quote
Yes, I have decided that I must go. This conference is my Alamo, my Thermopylae.


WTF?

Date: 2012/03/27 14:34:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 27 2012,14:24)
people encouraging a thread for Ghost of Paley (who is banned IIRC).

I retract if you stay with us.

Date: 2012/03/27 15:16:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 27 2012,15:08)
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

The lovely spring wether made him soft.

Date: 2012/03/28 06:34:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 28 2012,04:47)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 27 2012,23:16)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 27 2012,15:08)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
   
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

The lovely spring wether made him soft.

Louis came baa-ak and wool be ramming it to him as eweshul.

Don't make his future here look too bleat.

Date: 2012/03/28 07:54:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 28 2012,07:07)
Joe's sandbox seems to have disappeared from the list of threads.

It's been turned into a permanent page and got its own link on top of the homepage.

Edited for slightly better grammar.



Date: 2012/03/28 14:25:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Sealawr @ Mar. 28 2012,13:48)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 28 2012,06:34)

     
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 28 2012,04:47)
       
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 27 2012,23:16)
       
Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 27 2012,15:08)
         
Quote (Henry J @ Mar. 27 2012,14:54)
           
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 27 2012,13:37)
was the sheep wasn't it

Could be; that was shear genius.

Ewe aren't complaining.

The lovely spring wether made him soft.

Louis came baa-ak and wool be ramming it to him as eweshul.

Don't make his future here look too bleat.


Edit: Quotes don't work - drat!

All's wool that ends wool.[/quote]
I hope he won't take it on the lamb again.



Date: 2012/04/01 09:35:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 01 2012,05:47)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 01 2012,11:55)


http://www.quickmeme.com/meme.......me....4

So, is that really Joe? He kinda looks...like a nice guy...

That's what I thought as well. It will be a bit harder for me to make fun of someone who looks like a friendly neighbour you get along quite well with as long as you steer clear of certain topics.

Date: 2012/04/01 12:22:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
So Dembski was a rebel without cause?

 
Quote
There’s a mentality I see emerging in conservative Christian circles that one can never be quite conservative enough. This has really got me thinking about fundamentalism and the bane it is. It’s one thing to hold views passionately. It’s another to hold one particular view so dogmatically that all others may not even be discussed, or their logical consequences considered. This worries me about the future of evangelicalism.
...

Many Christian institutions have an inferiority complex in which they’re trying to ape the secular academy and gain its approval. Those that resist this mentality often adopt a fundamentalist mentality in which they think they’ve got everything nailed down. That may work in the Christian ghetto, but it has no traction in the wider culture.

Date: 2012/04/01 14:39:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Edit: Dembski's sidekick is Jonathan McLatchie.



Date: 2012/04/01 15:45:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Doc Bill @ Mar. 31 2012,21:36)
Dembski's career is like a Slinky going down a set of stairs.

Date: 2012/04/02 04:30:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 01 2012,09:39)
I WOOD TIKUL HIM TILL HE GOES SQUEEEEEEE

Date: 2012/04/02 13:42:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ April 02 2012,06:40)
What happened in October, 2008?

Everyone was glued to their TV to find out if their bank had already crashed; who cares about the Designer in times of a financial crisis!

Date: 2012/04/03 17:15:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/04/04 05:26:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Steviepinhead @ April 03 2012,23:28)
I appreciate the early burfday (it's not usually celebrated till 4/11, but my mom is vague on dates, it's true...)!

I'm gonna be eligible for Social Security, woo hoo!

I'm mostly happy because I'm actually gonna collect some, unlike all you young whippersnappers!

(Also, in case I forgot to mention it, Get Offa My Lawn!)

Oops, wrong Wednesday - sorry, guys. I'm going to hide under a rock now.

Date: 2012/04/05 01:47:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Currently, he's busy supporting Corny and UD by contributing to their meagre threads. I guess the intellectual level over at TSZ was way over his head.

Date: 2012/04/05 10:19:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (paragwinn @ April 05 2012,01:52)
thanks, y'all!

Now I get 8 days of presents, right?

Of course - if you pay for my drinks during that period.

Date: 2012/04/05 10:23:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
<sigh> So many beautiful pictures and just one desktop ... I think I'll start with the Blue Tit.

Date: 2012/04/07 08:19:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ April 07 2012,05:51)
... the Biocomplexity's editorial team of 32 (!) editors ...

How else can they cope with the avalanche of papers submitted each day?

Date: 2012/04/10 16:55:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
So it is your birthday after all! There is one member k.e. and one k.e.., and their birthday is not the same. So sorry, no birthday card, just best wishes.

Date: 2012/04/10 17:02:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He is a research scientist, too! What about the ticks?

Date: 2012/04/11 15:51:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
$ 30 for the NCSE say that within 24 hours he will have a meltdown. He has already started name calling.

Date: 2012/04/11 17:11:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2012,16:07)
I predict a retreat to Untelligent Reasoning where Oleg and I get called names.

In fact, this time it's you and Robin.

And while not exactly a meltdown, this has earned NCSE $ 30:
Quote
Your mother trusts me…

Date: 2012/04/12 07:40:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Hi Joe, the NCSE said to say thank you and offered to send you a thesaurus of really dirty words for further use.

Date: 2012/04/12 10:12:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ April 12 2012,08:41)
You'd think a cosmopolitan organization like NCSE would at least have umlauts.

I preemptively used simple vowels - maybe it was unnecessary.

So now we have
melt-down: 1
swearing at Rich and Oleg on Joe's blog: 1

To get a hattrick, we need a flounce.

BTW, couldn't the whole pantomime in the sandbox be mirrored for posterity?


Edit: Typo



Date: 2012/04/12 11:41:53, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe loves Oleg:  
Quote
The angels that fly out of your arse?

But should a devout Christian talk about angels when he comes out of the closet?

Edit: Grammatification



Date: 2012/04/12 12:16:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JohnW @ April 12 2012,11:55)
Best JoeG comment EVAR:
 
Quote
Thank you for making a mockery of Lizzie’s blog.

I wonder if you can die of projection.

Apparently some can survive:  
Quote
And I have no intention of engaging your belligerence- unless of course you would care to meet and just get it over with- That’s right you are safe hiding in your mommy’s basement.

Date: 2012/04/12 13:15:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 11 2012,15:03)
I DID THIS. LAVISH YOUR PRAISES UPON ME OR GIVE ME A CAMERA LENS.



Doesn't this refer to a bizarre quarrel between John Kwok and PZ Myers?

Date: 2012/04/12 15:52:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
We should point Joe to this site, the owner and he would get on like a house on fire.

BTW, Joe has created a fall-back blog ... in case his current one gets closed for pr0n?

Date: 2012/04/13 10:03:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 13 2012,09:57)
Quote
Hi Lizzie-

You can take your moderation and shove it up your ass.

Seya Joe who does not allow a single unmoderated post on *his* site...

Was that the beginning of a flounce?

Date: 2012/04/13 14:07:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,12:56)
Katrina, may I beg a favour?

I'd like a photoshop of Joe In ICP makeup, saying "Motherfucking planets, how do they work?"
See this at 1.50+ for context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....l0pOQfs




Edit: Shall I post it on our Tardgasm thread or send it somewhere else?



Date: 2012/04/13 17:16:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Edit: At His Majesty's request.





Date: 2012/04/13 17:35:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 13 2012,15:41)
7-1 Joe comes back as "Jay" to TSZ to beat moderation. Idiotic style identified after 3 posts.

Couldn't spot him; a link would be great - thanks!

Date: 2012/04/13 18:26:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks, Norm, but the concept and the text were Rich's idea. I just slavishly followed his orders.

Date: 2012/04/13 18:40:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks, Oleg - now I see what the numbers mean. But I think Rich is sorely deluded. Joe would never create a sock called "Jay": That name is sooo homo!

Date: 2012/04/14 05:34:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ April 13 2012,18:56)
It's wrong on so many levels, but it deserves of POTW!

You are right, it was a quick and dirty job and shows poor craftsmanship. I am aware of several flaws - two of them are the clown's mask and the lighting-, but please pm me if you have ideas how to do better.

@ Rich: I'm still recovering from a complicated tibia fracture and just about able to wear granny shoes, so I can only wistfully look at my high heels. The cancelled geology sightseeing trip to Scotland dwindles to insignificance compared to that.

Date: 2012/04/14 14:19:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ April 14 2012,08:42)
i bet joe saves the picture and faps himself silly with it

Unless he suffers from coulrophobia.

Date: 2012/04/14 15:08:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Mike LaFontaine isn't exactly making friends over at UD:  
Quote
One of the early commenters on the earlier, now deleted post pointed that exact cover image out and was told that the 1977 penguin cover was one of the magazine’s more famous and was asked if he lived in a cave. I guess we know now that he doesn’t.


ETA: Screenshot saved - just in case.



Date: 2012/04/14 15:31:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Freddie @ April 12 2012,16:16)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 05 2012,10:23)
<sigh> So many beautiful pictures and just one desktop ... I think I'll start with the Blue Tit.

This one's on my desktop right now, I took it a few weeks back at a local arboretum.  It's a Rhododendron but I don't know the variety for sure, I think it is 'White Peter' but there are so many similar variants.  Looks great in the full size.

F5 - 1/1250 - 135mm - ISO200

Beautiful! I wish it were spring already where I live.

Date: 2012/04/14 17:15:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Edit: Ooops, wrong vocabulary!



Date: 2012/04/15 08:47:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ April 14 2012,18:32)
I'm.....I'm not really a hundred years old, either.

Nice try, Woodbine. ;-)

Seriously, I thought that you had changed the year, but not the day - that's what I did.

Date: 2012/04/16 10:32:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 11 2012,15:09)

Thanks for the cartoon; I put it to good use over at TalkRat.

Date: 2012/04/16 12:14:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
O'Leary is a slimy lying scumbag, too. In her OP "Pond Hydra Makes Use of Light Without Having Eyes" not only does she flaunt her ignorance  
Quote
Question: Is there any reason why the hydra or its precursors might not have had a more complex vision system a hundred million years ago, and dumped it in favour of simple light sensitivity? Just wondering …

she also accuses a scientist of fraud:  
Quote
While we are here, we are told that Dan-Eric Nilsson was one of the hydra study team members, and the name rang a bell for some reason: Mathematician David Berlinski accused him of fraud:
.

Date: 2012/04/16 13:16:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 16 2012,12:39)
http://godsipod.com/apologe....-design

http://www.discovery.org/a....50........509

I had read the letters from Nilsson et al. and was amazed Berlinski had had at least the decency to post them.

Is God's iPod another of O'Leary's blogs?

Date: 2012/04/17 10:37:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ April 17 2012,09:56)
Buckets!

The space shuttle came right down the road past my office building...


...and I'm working from home today.  :angry:

Miracles sure aren't what they used to be.

Date: 2012/04/24 06:05:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Meanwhile, at the ranch: Natural Selection - What is it and what does it do?, a copypasta from Joe's blog.
He must have got back his posting privilege after whining  
Quote
21 posts in moderation- how many can it hold?

I beseech you, let my posts go!


Not so long ago, he sounded a little bit different:  
Quote
Hi Lizzie-

You can take your moderation and shove it up your ass.

I noticed that some of you gals and guys are already discussing with him, so the NCSE is looking forward to another 30 bucks.

Edit: Much more correcterer preposition.



Date: 2012/04/24 09:07:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Febble @ April 24 2012,08:01)
It's got nothing to do with his whining, it's just got to do with when I've got time to go through the backlog and sort them into guanoables, sandboxables and stayputables.

He posts a lot, so they mount up.

Also dealing with them in batches stops them dominating the New Comments list, and, to some extent, from disrupting conversation.

As for posting privileges, he has them, but his posts are also subject to moderation.  However, in his own threads he is free to post without moderation (just the way the software works).

If people don't want to respond to him, I suggest they ignore his posts and comments :)

There is plenty other interesting stuff.

Joe G: if you are reading this, please note that I have no intention of censoring your contributions (i.e. not promoting them at all), but my problem is that they are often a) rude b) copious and c) irrelevant to the thread.  If you can be respectful and relevant, I don't mind if you are prolific, but right now the SNR from you is too high and the N too loud for the health of the site.

Hi Lizzy, I was talking about posting privileges = writing OPs as opposed to commenting. I never assumed that you did no longer allow him to comment.
And just to be clear, I love the way you manage your blog. :-)

Date: 2012/04/25 13:31:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe has oscillated between extremely vulgar and extremely submissive behaviour towards Lizzie. Might this be normal around where he lives? If not - is there a medical term for that condition?

Another alarming trait is his preference for insults involving excrements; and I'm positive that there is a medical term for persons who get aroused by excrements.

Okay, he's riddled with conditions:
 
Quote
Brave enough to spend 3 months in the Colombian jungle- brave enough to take an unarmored SUV from Baghdad International Airport down RPG ally and then up to Balad.

And I have never backed out of any fight. If some evo shows up I will put him down.
megalomania here

And now a personal note for Creodont2, whoever you are:
Could you please issue a warning for ladies faint at heart before addressing Joe with stuff like this:  
Quote
Want to see what natural selection can do, up close and personal? Go to Yellowstone Park, go to the Fishing Bridge area (or pretty much anywhere else in the park), take off all of your clothes, pour a bottle of barbecue sauce all over yourself, and take a hike by yourself. You can even do it without the barbecue sauce.

Can't make it unread!

Date: 2012/04/25 19:03:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe is on the short list for the Nobel Prize for Literature!!!!eleven!    
Quote
The Evo Song- Poof, the Magic Mutant (to the tune “Puff the Magic Dragon”)

Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be.
Little Richard Dawkins, loved that rascal Poof.
And wrote him books to appease the kooks, oh what a silly goof!

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

Together they would mutate Poof into a beluga whale
Richard kept a spectroscope trained on Poof’s mutating tail.
Nobel things and atheists bowed whene’er they came
Scientists would lower their flasks when Poof mutated a mane

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

Mutations can’t go on forever, just like little boys
Antennaed wings and giant things doom nature’s mutant ploys
One gray night it happened, natural selection said no more
And Poof that Magic Mutant, mutated one last roar

His head was bent in sorrow, his tears fell like rain
Richard no longer went to write it gave him so much pain
Without his life-long friend Dick could not be brave
So Dick that evo-poofer sadly slipped in to his cave

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

(repeat chorus and fade…)

Date: 2012/04/26 02:49:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Over at Joe's thread they are still trying to explain to WJM that the use of "natural" and "artificial" selection was just Darwin's shorthand for "made by a breeder" versus "not man-made" selection - even Joe seems to have grasped that basically it's the same thing.

I'm wondering if the boundary between "artifical" and "natural" isn't actually quite blurry: For instance, global warming is man-made; so in a changing climate we might find some species die off, others thrive, others develop new features. Would you call this process "natural" or "artificial"?

Date: 2012/04/27 13:52:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Jonathan MCLatchie gives in:
"News" links to an article he wrote on ENV (Nice Try! A Review of Alan Rogers's The Evidence for Evolution) where he finally quits to pretend he is all sciencey and stoops to the old canard "Either it's change within kind, or it is divine intervention" - of course his vocabulary is more refined than mine.

Some tidbtits (not quotes):

- Whales couldn't have evolved within this short time-span.

- Tiktaalik is younger than footprints found elsewhere - gasp! (Joe's favourite argument)

- Same introns can't be used as evidence for common descent.

- The eye is too complicated to have evolved.

Favourite reference for his claims is - wait for it! - Casey Luskin. For heaven's sake, McLatchie is a biology student - why would he need Luskin?

His conclusion:
 
Quote
... the grander claim of universal common ancestry is not justified, nor does the author impart confidence in the adequacy of the neo-Darwinian mechanism.


Tard

Date: 2012/04/27 16:36:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ April 27 2012,16:30)
Quote (fnxtr @ April 27 2012,17:28)
 
Quote (JohnW @ April 27 2012,14:15)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ April 27 2012,13:05)
   
Quote (JohnW @ April 27 2012,14:26)
   
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 27 2012,11:52)
Favourite reference for his claims is - wait for it! - Casey Luskin.

We need a new word.  "Fail" doesn't come close.

Epic Fail?

"Epic Fail" is a couple of steps into the foothills of these Himalayas of incompetence.

failaclysm.

I like that better than failocalypse.

The irony: UD keeps banging on about the venality of mainstream science, and here we have a science student ready to crawl up Luskin's ... to secure a job at the DI.

Date: 2012/05/01 03:57:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/05/03 13:03:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Robin,

I hope you were in Munich during the spell of lovely weather. Did you like it at all? I'm not offended if you have some criticism to offer, we are notorious for our grumpiness. Next time you are visiting, you are welcome to book a free guided tour with me.

As for sucking the Weisswurst, it is no longer considered correct manners - at last! But when in a beer garden, you can still gnaw chicken drumsticks and pigs' knuckles.

Date: 2012/05/03 13:11:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ May 01 2012,04:32)

Well, it looks like Joe has earned NCSE another 30 bucks. However, he missed a golden opportunity when he used a scientific term when he could have used something fit for a bathroom wall. - No, I'm not going to elaborate.

And now I give you a thing of rare beauty:

Joe G:
Evidence- no one cares what any “theory” says. People care about the evidence. And to date there isn’t any evidence for a self-replicator and no evidence tat a self-replicator can become a living organism.


Elizabeth:
Joe, living organisms are self-replicators.

Joe G:
Humans are living organisms and we are not self-replicators.

Date: 2012/05/03 13:28:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ May 03 2012,13:19)
You want grumpy? My family used to live in Hamburg!

I lived there for ten years; IIRC they call it "reserve". And strangely, they called my behaviour "extraverted" (I still use the spelling with the "a" although I've been told that the "o" has won).

Date: 2012/05/03 15:20:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Congrats, Robin! The second one is extremely elegant - why don't you try to sell it to a magazine?

Date: 2012/05/03 15:31:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ May 03 2012,14:16)
Well...ok...your underground is waaaay confusing for a tourist, but beside that...

What do you mean "for a tourist"? It's a favourite topic of the local newspapers, everyone hates the system, yet the public transport is not able to simplify it; it might be partly due to the fact that part of it belongs to the city, part to the railway, and some of the buses are privately owned. *Sigh*
Otherwise, glad you liked it. Our manners seem to have improved since the football (=soccer) championship some years ago. Everyone working in the tourist sector was invited to take free training offered by the city council in how to behave with foreigners - public employees were required to do so.

Date: 2012/05/03 16:17:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/05/03 16:58:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Well, I appreciate the colours and the composition. Maybe it's not a close-up documentation of every detail of the bird, but the atmosphere is gorgeous.

Date: 2012/05/04 02:37:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Kristine,
I'm glad your event was a success; did the local media cover it?

And *ahem* may I enquire about the fate of another article?  Methinks it was to be available for the hoi polloi sooner or later.  
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)

Date: 2012/05/05 11:58:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ May 04 2012,11:58)
If memory serves, Richard Dawkins makes a distinction between replicators and reproducers.

A DNA molecule, he points out, is a replicator because it produces an exact copy of itself (under normal circumstances). Organisms cannot achieve this level of copying fidelity and so are termed 'reproducers'.

I'm buggered if I can remember in which of his books I read it, though....... ???

Joe, I'm sorry I made fun of you. Your were right, vindicated by Richard Dawkins, no less.

Date: 2012/05/05 12:00:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ May 04 2012,16:12)
2) Is the "Starchild" human?

Only 50%.  ;-p

Date: 2012/05/05 12:27:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kristine @ May 04 2012,21:08)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 04 2012,02:37)
Hi Kristine,
I'm glad your event was a success; did the local media cover it?

And *ahem* may I enquire about the fate of another article?  Methinks it was to be available for the hoi polloi sooner or later.    
Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 22 2011,16:22)
Whoo-hoo! My article is finally indexed online! Need subscription, though. :) (Second one down.)

The news and community centers picked up our press release. Lynn Fellman's presentation was partially filled so that we can produce a short video about the program (I took stills of the other events), and I already have plans for next year.

What was the other article?

The article is about conspiracy theories, iirc.
And now I'm looking forward to the video, too.

Date: 2012/05/06 02:56:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ May 05 2012,19:04)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 05 2012,12:00)
Quote (afarensis @ May 04 2012,16:12)
2) Is the "Starchild" human?

Only 50%.  ;-p

To quote Louis "bugger me"*  pawned twice in the span of a few comments. I feel sooooo old...

*Not that I have a problem with Louis being buggered.

I had to look it up in Wikipedia. It was sixth in line after some pop singers.

Date: 2012/05/06 14:18:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I just watched the speech given by Eugenie Scott when she received the Stephen Jay Gould prize. Extremely helpful for me was her model of explaining why "silly evolutionists always change their theory to fit new results". She presented a system of Core Science, Frontier Science, and Fringe Science. Core Science hardly changes with new results, Frontier Science presents and tests new hypotheses which may or may not be fruitful, and Fringe Science just might get lucky; her example was Plate Tectonics - and ID if it ever bothers to do research.

http://youtu.be/1h3Eftc....ftcqfkQ

Date: 2012/05/06 14:22:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ April 28 2012,16:27)
The idiocy of Joe's natural selection thread is truly painful. That he is only trolling for attention is a given, but that people waste electrons attempting to correct his spewage is simply upsetting.

But I have an idea.

What if  . . .

. . . every JoeSpew on TSZ was responded to only with the following:

     
Quote

Thank you Joe. Here is a bunny:





Wouldn't that be much nicer? Wouldn't it make Joe so much less upset at us all?

A link over at TSZ which is supposed to show a bunny in fact leads to this comment - bunny doesn't show. Poor Joe!

Date: 2012/05/07 10:45:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ May 06 2012,19:16)
The solution is to link to any fluffy bunny you can find. If poor little Pinkie above is shy, who are we to interfere?

Greyhound? What greyh . ..  oh, ah, nothing, just, ah, taking it for a walk before dinne . .  for a walk. Yeah.

I just wanted you to know that the links leads to AtBC - wasn't sure if it's meant to.

Date: 2012/05/07 11:31:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (rossum @ May 07 2012,09:06)
Can someone please add the appropriate Judge Jones style sound effects.

rossum


http://tinyurl.com/bq4l47t....bq4l47t

Give 10 seconds to load.

Date: 2012/05/08 05:05:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JohnW @ May 07 2012,17:33)
 
Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 07 2012,13:55)
While we're on (sorry Joe, I know it's supposed to be about you), a big fat Troll Award should go to William J Murray. Barely a thread goes by before another epistemological, ontological, let's-talk-about-me-athon. He's readable, articulate and not over-long ... but he's getting awful samey, and he knows all the right buttons.

William is Joe after Joe grows up a bit and stops talking about bottoms.  Repetition ad nauseam of inane "gotchas"?  Failure to engage counter-arguments?  Refusal to even try to learn?  Ignored by other creationists?  It's all there, just with a bigger vocabulary.

Isn't it about time someone put together a WJM phrase generator similar to the Dodgenator?

Science is wrong because
- it doesn't take into account free will
- it doesn't take into account purpose
- it tries to describe reality which doesn't even exist

I refuse to provide evidence because
- you lunatics won't understand it anyway
- you couldn't accept it because you believe in chance only
- "evidence" is a concept of science which is based on metaphysics


Lou, feel free to move my comment to TSZ if that is the more appropriate thread.  :-)

Date: 2012/05/08 13:06:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ May 08 2012,11:53)
Quote (Robin @ May 08 2012,16:54)
Sleep tight you wild thing you!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs......58.html

*sniff*

RIP. Ní fheicimid a leithéid arís ann, as they say.

Amazingly, Google Translate worked with Irish.

A friend of mine used Sendak's books in her job as a teacher.

Date: 2012/05/08 13:10:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 08 2012,04:49)
This is kinda cute.  Bully Arrington has a few words about Those Pesky Ads on UD:    
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Some of you have written privately to complain about some of the ads that show up on this site.  Believe me, we are not always thrilled with them ourselves.  However, we have a contract with an online ad company and the revenue we receive from these ads is a major factor in helping us keep this site operating.
And also, please buy my book.

Barry also notes that different people see different ads.  Which is true, the ads are targeted.  Which ads you see depend mostly on what you've been looking at recently on the intertubes.  Remember a few months ago when someone [male] complained about all the ads for women's lingerie?

Here's our old friend, Robert Byers, today:    
Quote
6 Robert Byers May 8, 2012 at 2:27 am
The Asian chicks look cute but are they creationists??

It's filed under "Intelligent Design". Are they trying to tell us something?

Date: 2012/05/08 13:12:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ May 08 2012,12:20)
Off topic, but I'm really wondering why people on the Skeptical Zone keep leaving Joe links to pictures of bunnies.  Is there an Internet meme I missed during its five minutes of glory or are rabbits to Joe what clowns are to DaveScot?

An internet meme proudly created by our very own Amadan:

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y205448


And I better not be ninja'ed by him!

Edited for spellography



Date: 2012/05/08 13:17:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 08 2012,13:06)
How's VMartin or whatever he was called taking it?

Don't know if it's him or a creo namesake:

http://talkrational.org/showthr....1802071

Date: 2012/05/10 02:36:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Bias in science!!!eleven111

Who will pounce on it, News or Hunter? My bet is on News just as soon as she finds it; will take several days, though.

Date: 2012/05/11 03:36:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Gil reveals an amazing fact: (Linky leads to UD)  
Quote
When I was in elementary school back in the 1950s a man came into my classroom and talked to the teacher. I was taken into another room by this man. He gave me puzzles to figure out, and timed me with a stop watch. I thought that this was very weird. After these tests I was returned to my classmates with no explanation.

Many years later, upon reflecting about and remembering this event, I asked my mom what this was all about. She told me that as a result of an IQ test I had taken (they did that back in those days) I had scored the highest IQ ever recorded in the local school system at my age level, and my parents were asked to give permission for further testing.







Date: 2012/05/11 04:30:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
When I studied to become a teacher - a looong time ago - we were told to distrust IQ tests because children raised in a different (sub-)culture might be asked questions completely unrelated to their upbringing. Instead, they might have problem solving skills we don't even dream of.


Edited to insert an "s".



Date: 2012/05/11 09:51:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Joe G @ May 11 2012,08:24)
(Porn image removed by a mod because JoeG is a child who can't act like a grown up.)

Thanks, Lou.

Joe, did you know that your meltdown might lead to a gruesome retaliation = another donation to the NCSE?

Date: 2012/05/11 11:31:24, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (noncarborundum @ May 11 2012,11:09)
Quote
(Porn image removed by a mod because JoeG is a child who can't act like a grown up.)

That was porn?

I didn't see the image Joe posted, but I trust Lou's judgment. Anyway, whatever it was, it gives us a fascinating insight into the websites Joe visits when he is not busy producing Guano for TSZ.

Date: 2012/05/12 02:05:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I found the meaning of "tunie".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.....m=tunie

I've bookmarked an array of slang dictionaries and need them daily; in grammar school, we didn't get beyond Macbeth.

Date: 2012/05/12 02:14:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 11 2012,18:18)
Apologies to Kattarina98, I didn't scroll back far enough to see that you had already (beautifully) covered Gil's latest fit of braggadocio.

Don't worry, it was so beautiful it was well worth repeating.

After reading Woodbine's comment
Quote
Gildo has always been desperately insecure about how he is perceived.

I actually felt sorry for Gil.

Date: 2012/05/12 11:25:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Febble @ May 12 2012,10:46)
Well, his second attempt at death by cop worked.

Poor silly bugger.

It's kind of sad - why would he do something like that? He only hurt himself - and for a while, he seemed to like the place.

Date: 2012/05/12 12:42:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Although I found this on UD I post it here because it isn't really all that much related to it.

News points to an article at Creation Evolution Headlines which gloats about a paper that discusses cave art. They might think it somehow proves their weird idea of entropy.

They quote the introduction of the paper:  
Quote
Remarkably agreeing with the radiocarbon dates of the human and animal occupancy, this study confirms that the Chauvet cave paintings are the oldest and the most elaborate ever discovered, challenging our current knowledge of human cognitive evolution.

I went and read the whole paper which discusses the dating only - radio carbon dating resulted in evidence that the artwork really is the oldest found until now; the quality of the paintings had suggested that they might be much younger.

Nowhere in the paper the "current knowledge of human cognitive evolution" is "challenged", and I'm not happy with this claim.

There have been discovered maybe a dozen caves with paintings; can you really infer a development of cognitive abilities from a handful of samples? Maybe some artists were just better than others?

I'm aware of the fact that there are several layers of paintings sometimes added over thousands of years. But not everyone is a brilliant artist, following generations might just have copied what was already there.

Of course, I'm a bloody layperson. Maybe some of you can give an educated opinion.


Edit: Grammatification



Date: 2012/05/13 10:18:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
@ dvkannon and afarensis

Thanks for the clarification re cave art. Seems the authors of the paper just wanted to write a snappy introduction, thus encroaching on a field of science they have no expertise in (cognitive development). Of course, neither have I. :-))
Did any of you see the film about the Chauvet cave? I loved it.
http://www.wernerherzog.com/index.p....p?id=64


@ OgreMkv

I can't view the pictures. :-(

Date: 2012/05/13 12:04:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I assumed that KF was just too bashful to call it toilet.

Date: 2012/05/13 13:26:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
On his blog, he just doc-dropped a certain Patrick and voiced his hatred of TSZ in one fell swoop.



Edited to add a kitten for Joe G.



Date: 2012/05/13 14:51:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Freddie, you are my hero! I wished KF could see it in all its glory.

Edited for urgently needed grammatification.



Date: 2012/05/14 09:36:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (The whole truth @ May 14 2012,09:06)
And joe is unobservant too. I found the photo of him and posted it here. No wonder he's a blind IDiot, and not a scientist.

Joe can't cope with keeping apart more than two persons. It must be Oleg or Rich.

Date: 2012/05/14 09:53:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JLT @ May 12 2012,06:21)
Just to document this for the next time StephenB claims that he's the sole arbiter of logic and reason: StephenB
 
Quote
My attitude is simple. Whenever my personal interpretation of the Bible conflicts with my scientific speculations, I go with the Bible every time. However, when my personal interpretation conflicts with something I know to be a slam dunk fact, I re-evaluate my biblical interpretation, knowing that I made a mistake in reading it. How do I know that? I know it because the Bible will never contravene a fact, therefore, if it appears to, I am misreading it. How do I know that the Bible will never contravene a fact? Because the Bible is inerrant.

Just had a glance at that thread - the only live one at the moment. From what I gathered, Stephen B. has left a shred of sanity compared to tjguy who takes him to task about Teh Fludd.

Date: 2012/05/15 01:29:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe's reply to Lizzie was either evidence of mental illness, or he tried to be clever, feigning a familiarity to give the impression that is was just friendly banter between him and her.

Either way, I felt ashamed; I've always shuddered at the mentality that made people go to Bedlam to make fun of the inmates, and now look what I have been doing for quite some time.

Edit: I hope posting cute animals for him is still allowed?



Date: 2012/05/15 08:41:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 14 2012,21:31)

Funny, that's not how I remember the Carnivora cladogram. Aren't there supposed to be a bunch of lines and Latin words?



Date: 2012/05/15 12:02:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (REC @ May 14 2012,14:20)
SCheesman sticks his neck out on Barry's 9000th post celebration:

   
Quote
I wish I could celebrate, but I fear 9000 is a reflection of a vast inflation in the number rate of postings in the last year or two, with a corresponding decline in comments.

I owe a good deal of what I know today about ID from UD, both from a scientific and theological perspective, and used to enjoy the long threads and back-and-forth between proponents and opponents.

But now, many, if not most posts get nary a comment, and the ones engendering some debate often are lost in the crowd. Since the recent purge of participants who failed to pass what amounted to a purity test, it’s been pretty quiet here. The most lively recent discussion featured a debate between OEC’s and YEC’s. Now I enjoy that sort of thing (like on Sal Cordova’s old “Young Cosmos” blog), but it’s hardly what UD used to be known for.

Maybe the new format gets more visitors than it used to, but I’d be interested in seeing the stats, including comments per post, posts per month, unique visitors etc. over the last few years.

I miss the old days. I expect a lot of us do.


Please, Barry, celebrate this milestone with a Loudspeaker/ Bannination.

The audience is no longer amused and starts to grumble.

johnnyb:
 
Quote
So, we’ve lost PCID, ISCID, UD is now a news site, and Telic Thoughts is pumping very slowly. Does this mean ID is dying? No, on the other hand, it is professionalizing. There are starting to be conferences on ID, ID has a journal, and ID is starting to appear more in other journals (though not usually under the title “Intelligent Design”).

It would be nice if there were a research spot where ID’ers and their critics could hang out and discuss things like men, but there is not.


Slimy Sal (who inspired my current avatar) offers a solution:

 
Quote
Given the success of the discussions at the Young Cosmos website during the summer of 2007, I have the acquired the domain: “CreationEvolutionUniversity” where I hope to host such discussion and exchange of papers.
...
There will be a separate discussion forum where thread starters can invite who they wish to publicly dialogue with.


I've bolded the bits that made me laugh the loudest.

No linky, it's the comments right after SCheesman's.

Date: 2012/05/15 13:29:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Nice Norwegian Blue, Woodbine!

I'm wondering whom johnnyb wants to exclude when he is discussing like a man - mathgrrl (hehe) or Lizzie.

Date: 2012/05/16 02:29:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The spin doctor is in.  (links to UD)
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For instance from 2010/11 we had a clear sock puppet and troll wave that sought to kill UD, and that is reflected in part of the statistics. Some of the die-off is due to the tail end of that wave.

What the other commenters perceived to be an interesting debate in 2011 and miss so much they are now thinking of migrating to another site was in fact an attempt to kill UD, and they never noticed the death throes because the debate was so - lively!

And what even you admit to be a "die-off" is in fact the healing process.

It pays to be trained in Christian apologetics, doesn't it, KF?

Date: 2012/05/16 10:55:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 16 2012,09:56)
O'Leary offers evidence against human evolution:

   
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The few claims for which we have hard evidence are stuff like cave art (which went downhill over the millennia) and temple complexes (Gobekli Tepe, about 12000 years old, went down over the millennia too), which doesn’t support Darwin’s gradual ascent thesis at all.


That, plus the fact that she's way dumber than most writers were a century ago, so take that Darwin!

Her whole OP is one huge mountain of manure madness. I was starting to pick some tidbits for your edification but was overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of fail.

And she's so proud of it she signed it with O'Leary instead of News.

Date: 2012/05/16 11:58:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Freddie @ May 16 2012,11:34)
What the fuck does that even mean?  Did she just piss off a few hundred million fellow catholics?

She might love to piss off Catholics; iirc she belongs to a group of fundie dissenters who want to go back to the roots.

Date: 2012/05/16 15:37:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (sparc @ May 16 2012,14:43)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 16 2012,11:58)
Quote (Freddie @ May 16 2012,11:34)
What the fuck does that even mean?  Did she just piss off a few hundred million fellow catholics?

She might love to piss off Catholics; iirc she belongs to a group of fundie dissenters who want to go back to the roots.

Isn't she a former fundy evangelical and converted for whatever reasons?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki....27Leary

Quick to deal with progressive priests in Latin America, the current Pope seems to lean towards the more fundie flavour of Catholicism.

Date: 2012/05/21 11:10:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Happy Birthday!

Date: 2012/05/21 13:39:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (fnxtr @ May 21 2012,13:21)
eta: maybe it should be "MVSE"?

Aaargghhh - you're right! For your next birthday, I'll make a card all in Latin, promised.

Date: 2012/05/21 15:11:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hunter sets his pants on fire - his last and pathetic resort to prove Lizzie wrong.
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It makes no difference to me if evolution is true, false, or somewhere in between.

Date: 2012/05/22 09:57:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 22 2012,09:34)
Quote (Patrick @ May 22 2012,08:36)
Perhaps he'll post a link to some pornography on UD like he did on Lizzie's blog.  That would be an entertaining Friday meltdown.

I can see GilDo and Gordon's reaction now:

"Gosh darn it Joe!  We're giving you exactly six months to stop posting that!

:D

KF patrols the internet for porn to be outraged by on a regular basis, so the novelty of anything posted by Joe would wear off after a couple of days, not six months.

Date: 2012/05/22 10:09:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Uh-oh, Lizzie is gone for several days. A perfect occasion to sneak a sock back into TSZ, the blog Joe despises so much.

Date: 2012/05/23 02:51:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (The whole truth @ May 23 2012,00:10)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ May 22 2012,21:26)
 
Quote (The whole truth @ May 22 2012,19:18)
Isn't it interesting that kf, arrington, ba77, and the rest of the UD holy rollers don't seem to have any problem with the very 'unholy' way that joey g behaves?

And think of how kf, especially, regularly uses all kinds of guilt by association weapons in his attacks on "evolutionary materialists", but for some reason he doesn't mind associating with little joey. It obviously doesn't matter how foul joey is as long as he defends and promotes ID.

I have a feeling that if Charles Manson or 'El Loco' (Daniel Elizondo Jesus Ramirez) were pushing ID, the IDiots at UD would welcome them with open arms.

Very likely.  Look at Dictator Rios Montt and Pat Robertson.  Jerry Falwell was also Montt's buddy.  Montt is accused of killing as many as 200,000 people.  He wiped whole villages off the map.  That makes 'El Loco' and Charles Manson combined look like pikers.

The "righteous"? Could any description be more backassward?

pat robertson reminds me of gordon e mullings, the monster of Montserrat. And they both SUCK.

You two don't understand the forgiving mindset of True Christians™. It's fine to be a criminal if you accept Jesus in your heart later. Remember KF boasted to be employing a couple of ex-cons (murderers? - I'm too lazy to look for the page) because they had repented.

Date: 2012/05/23 03:20:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Badger3k @ May 22 2012,19:31)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ May 22 2012,19:09)
 
Quote (Badger3k @ May 22 2012,18:25)
   
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ May 22 2012,13:49)
Sorry to bring this crap here, but at some point, you know, elephant in the room, mammoth in the porcelaine shop...

Louis at Pharyngula:

     
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Given that Abbie’s position on the matter is so utterly awful it’s not even wrong, this does not bode well. If you’d care to expand on what you mean and what position this is and why you hold it, I at least will listen. It’s pretty old hat around here though, I wouldn’t expect a great deal of sympathy from me or anyone. On this at least, Abbie done fucked up and done fucked up again and again.

Louis


How has Abbie done fucked up? And done fucked up again? Please?

I rarely bother even reading PZ anymore, let alone the scribblings of the baboons, but I haven't seen anything that Abbie posted recently that might set them off (as far as I can tell).  What was this in response to...although, thinking back, could it be something to do with the woman of secularism or whatever it was thing that went on?

My understanding is that the whole flap is that NatGeo asked Abbie to tone down some of the comments for language.  

PZ saw it coming and moved the virulent stuff (i.e. atheism) to FTB.  

Abbie commented on that in some fashion.

My question is who the hell cares.

If i have it wrong it's probably because I don't really care and only picked it up thirdhand some people whose opinions I respect.

Thanks - basically much ado about nothing.  Louis, if you're reading this, is this a response to someone else or is it (as it sounds) a bit of tone trolling on her language?  Or something else?  Just curious since I'm bored with the music being mutilated on American Idol and can't do much else at the moment.

It seems to have started with a disagreement between Abbie and PZ about the politics of ScienceBlogs, then quickly deteriorated to Elevatorgate Revisited. I didn't read the whole thing, from what I gathered Abbie seems to think the incident was not as alarming as others judged it to be and to have allowed really nasty comments about women on her blog.

For the record: I'd feel incomfortable, too, if I were trapped in an elevator with a guy who "invites me for a coffee" to his room.



P.S. Ogre, how's your kid?



Date: 2012/05/24 05:25:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (damitall @ May 24 2012,04:02)
I do like Jerad's line in deniable snark. Wounding, but bannination would be seen to be very heavy-handed.

Yes, Bully Bannington always scrupulously tries to avoid giving the impression that he bans arbitrarily, just because an evilutionist is right.   ;-)

Date: 2012/05/24 06:21:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh noes - the Tree of Life is crashing down - down - down!
Quote
If turtles are closer to birds than to lizards and snakes, genetically, then …

Doesn’t this raise some questions about conventional accounts of evolution? Or do we still pretend we didn’t notice?


Remember, Denyse said it first.

Date: 2012/05/24 11:33:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ May 24 2012,10:23)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 24 2012,06:21)
Oh noes - the Tree of Life is crashing down - down - down!    
Quote
If turtles are closer to birds than to lizards and snakes, genetically, then …

Doesn’t this raise some questions about conventional accounts of evolution? Or do we still pretend we didn’t notice?


Remember, Denyse said it first.

So, currently evolutionists think that turtles are either more closely related to snakes and lizards (lepidosaurs) or more closely related to crocodiles and birds (archosaurs). The first is supported by morphological studies and microRNA studies, the second by morphological studies, mtDNA and nucDNA studies. A new genetic study comes out that supports the archosaur hypothesis and this overturns the "conventional" account how?

And even if the conventional account were overturned, so effing what? When genetics showed that whales are not descended from mesonychids but from artiodactyls it was just a super cool discovery. Common descent was not shattered to bits - but Denyse seems to conclude it with the new turtle cladogram.

Date: 2012/05/24 14:53:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Robin @ May 24 2012,14:24)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 24 2012,11:33)
 
Quote (afarensis @ May 24 2012,10:23)
   
Quote (Kattarina98 @ May 24 2012,06:21)
Oh noes - the Tree of Life is crashing down - down - down!        
Quote
If turtles are closer to birds than to lizards and snakes, genetically, then …

Doesn’t this raise some questions about conventional accounts of evolution? Or do we still pretend we didn’t notice?


Remember, Denyse said it first.

So, currently evolutionists think that turtles are either more closely related to snakes and lizards (lepidosaurs) or more closely related to crocodiles and birds (archosaurs). The first is supported by morphological studies and microRNA studies, the second by morphological studies, mtDNA and nucDNA studies. A new genetic study comes out that supports the archosaur hypothesis and this overturns the "conventional" account how?

And even if the conventional account were overturned, so effing what? When genetics showed that whales are not descended from mesonychids but from artiodactyls it was just a super cool discovery. Common descent was not shattered to bits - but Denyse seems to conclude it with the new turtle cladogram.

Ehhh...it's a transitional form. You'd expect it to fit a bit in both areas...


;)

Oooops - did I read this graphic wrong?

Date: 2012/05/26 10:09:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (utidjian @ May 25 2012,20:18)
...
One thing I do NOT do is ask a woman (or any person for that matter) that doesn't even know my name or who I am, at 4AM, alone on an elevator, in a foreign country, who I have listened to speak all day, and most of the night about objectification of women and how it really turns women off, who has said they are tired and going to bed because they have a long day tomorrow, up to my room for a little chat over coffee.
...

Exactly!


Much has been said which I won't repeat. Just to clarify even more for those who can't understand why the situation is not comparable to a woman asking a man to have a cup of coffee:

It's not just about saying "no" to a creep - that's easy. But women have to carefully assess this specific situation: How should they say it? Too firm - that could make him aggressive. Too friendly - he might take it for an invitation to press harder.
And what if he doesn't take "no" for an answer - could he try to rape her?

Hope that helps.

Date: 2012/05/26 12:07:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Schrödinger's Dog!

I didn't mean you, far from it. :-)
It was meant to be a friendly reminder for The Whole Truth.

As for the climate over at Pharyngula ... well, I can't take it.

Date: 2012/05/29 06:09:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Neil Rickert over at TSZ made me watch Denyse O'Leary: Catholics & Evolution - after the first minutes I had to give up; she is just too incoherent. The video has a bit more than 400 views, a couple of nasty comments and mostly "dislikes". Looks like not even her readers went to the trouble to watch it.

Date: 2012/05/29 12:34:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Want to have some fun?

- Look at the full header, insert it into a header tool, I bet the IP tracks to Nigeria.

- Get a Google email account with a fake name (Google hides your IP, other providers don't).

- Use it to reply to Ms Kwok; she'll never note that she didn't contact you before, as she has mass mailed to thousands of addresses.

- Pretend you are interested, but have a question, next email one more questions, and another one ... spread over dozens of emails. Assure her that you are interested.

- When she wants your details including passport scan, first forget to deliver. Then deliver fake details. For the passport scan, send her a huge jpeg file containing a black square; don't send her the scan of a fake passport, she would use it to fool more gullible victims.

- When she begins to want fees, ask her advice how to raise money: Should you get a mortgage? Next email: Should you use the money you are saving for your kid's college? Next email: Should you ask your cancer ridden mom to forget about her medication and give the money to you?

Don't email her more than once a day - it's your fun, not hers.

Keep in mind that this is not a "she" but a lad in his late teens or early twenties who will pass you on to his boss for more elaborate treatment.

Aaahh, I love scam baiting!

For a glimpse of the fascinating world of scam baiting, go to http://www.419eater.com/....ter.com



Date: 2012/05/29 15:51:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Eric Anderson, a very friendly ID proponent, has no problems accepting the existence of junk DNA.    
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Have you ever seen a car with a broken headlight? It is a statement of obvious fact that things which are designed over time break down, rust, decay, lose functionality. It is known that DNA has several mechanisms to help deal with this relentless march of entropy, but it is certainly possible that DNA is partly non-functional.

The effects of Teh FallGranwell Sewell.
It's kind of sad, he seems to be open to reason.

I bolded the junk yard.

Date: 2012/05/29 23:43:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I'm glad Newton is back; I already saw him messily devoured by a coyote. Any idea what he's been up to?

Date: 2012/05/31 07:40:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98


... and it's mine, too! That must mean something, I just don't know what.  *blush*

Date: 2012/06/01 03:16:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Yay, I can haz my very own birfday thread!
Thank you all - except JLT and Amadan who sent their messages in perfect German, thus depriving an ex-teacher of the opportunity to smugly correct them.  ;-)

Date: 2012/06/01 03:23:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (keiths @ May 30 2012,20:34)
Where does the DI get these yahoos?

Stephen Batzer writes:
 
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Jerry Coyne, in his polemic Why Evolution is True, scoffs at those 91 percent who find his analysis unconvincing. He writes, "True, breeders haven't turned a cat into a dog, and laboratory studies haven't turned a bacterium into an amoeba ... but it is foolish to think that these are serious objections to natural selection."

Of course these are, in fact, serious objections; Dr. Coyne doesn't get to choose what data is and isn't objectionable to others. Major speciation via undirected processes is the crux of the Darwinian narrative. If it can't be replicated, this objection is an example of what logicians call a "defeater." If you, an intelligent actor using skill, can't breed a cat into a different genera [sic], then presumably and reasonably nature can't do this either.

Why not go the whole hog and demand a crocoduck?

Date: 2012/06/01 03:27:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ May 31 2012,16:00)
Barham's latest post, cross-posted between ENV and TBS, prompts me to say that TBS has joined the DI link farm.

Pathetic incest - sending their readers back and forth between blogs might increase the traffic but not the actual amount of followers.

Date: 2012/06/01 03:31:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 31 2012,12:22)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 31 2012,11:47)
Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow.

A cut and paste from an Amazon review:
"Here is one final example from Kahneman's work of some of the concepts the reader will encounter in this book. Suppose that Linda is 31 years old, single, outspoken, and very bright. In college, she majored in philosophy. As a student, she was deeply concerned with the issues of discrimination and social justice, and she also participated in anti-nuclear demonstrations. Which is more probable?

1. Linda is a bank teller.
2. Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement.

According to Kahneman, about 85% - 90% of undergraduates at several major universities chose the second option, that Linda was a bank teller and active in the feminist movement. However, this is an example of the "conjunction fallacy," since the probability of two events occurring together (in conjunction) must necessarily be less than the probability of either event occurring alone. Put simpler, the probability that Linda is a bank teller must be greater than the probability that she is a bank teller and active in feminist causes. (To be complete, Kahneman points out that there are critics of the Linda experiment who, for example, question whether it is reasonable for test subjects to understand the word "probability" as if it meant "plausibility.")"

The book subtitle: Why people are IDiots. :)

Finally I get one right!

I got it right, too, not because I'm clever but because I saw it happen lots of times.

Date: 2012/06/01 11:52:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 01 2012,03:35)
... (sorry for the delay, was in bed all day. Fuck nausea!)

Oh no, are you ill? Or hung over?

Date: 2012/06/01 12:35:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 01 2012,12:16)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 01 2012,18:52)
 
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 01 2012,03:35)
... (sorry for the delay, was in bed all day. Fuck nausea!)

Oh no, are you ill? Or hung over?

Ménière's disease is a wonderful thing. For those who don't have it.

I had to look it up; it sounds awful. I hope you can at least manage the symptoms.

And sorry to derail Quack's thread.

Date: 2012/06/01 17:03:04, Link
Author: Kattarina98
KF can't stand mildmannered Jerad who manages to have friendly conversations with Eugene, Collin, and Eric Anderson. Time to show them how to treat evilutionists.  
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... and I must confess it is annoying to be forever strawmannised.

Uh-oh, Satan's tail spotted:  
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And, please note the unacceptable rhetorical pattern, again. You have been listening to the talking points of a side that is committed to a scorched earth defence of its a priori materialism. Which is inescapably self refuting and amoral to begin with.

Closing with a reminder who Jerad is dealing with:  
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Right now I have to attend to a declaration to the UN decolonisation commission; of all things.

Writing crank letters to the UN again ...

Date: 2012/06/01 18:50:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 01 2012,17:27)
And in case anybody missed it, the winning entry of UD's "Describe the Cell" contest, by niwrad:

   
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A ‘cell’ is a bio-cybernetic chemical automaton able to self-replicate, self-organize, and perform metabolic functions by means of nano-level molecular machines controlled by internal digital software stored in information rich polymers.


My own entry didn't make the cut:

"A cell is a whiz-bang, super-duper, computational thingamajig, with tons of specified complexity, surrounded by loads of informational stuff, packed with technical jargon up the yin-yang, and overflowing with sophistimicated do-dads, plus some racing stripes and an aerofoil, that only Teh Designer could have possibly poofed into existence.  Did I mention that it's really complex?  It is ... REALLY complex."

I think I would have won if I hadn't mentioned the designer.



Stolen from Watterson's Calvin & Hobbes

Date: 2012/06/03 12:21:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 02 2012,17:35)
Its started!

I went to his blog. It's amazing the system of a guy his age can pump out that amount of steroids and adrenalin. Maybe someone should use him for research.
And just one more post like his last one directed at Coyne and NCSE is in for another donation.

Date: 2012/06/04 12:25:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,12:13)
 
Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,02:50)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 01 2012,21:06)
       
Quote (JLT @ June 01 2012,06:53)
I'm sure none of you would want to miss this:
         
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Luskin and Arrington Discuss ID

Date:  Monday, June 4

Time:  4:00 to 6:00 Mountain

Go here http://www.947krks.com/....rks....rks.com

Then click on “Listen Live”

Liveblog here, maybe?

I'm wondering, is this the show Luskin and Barry will appear at to discuss the totally not religious ID?



Get answers to your Bible questions, LOL.
I'm feeling slightly masochistic today, maybe I'll listen in.

Reading the bio, I see the host is another vulture, feeding off of the Columbine tragedy. Arrington must have felt right at home.

I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm.

My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck.
Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker.

Date: 2012/06/05 02:22:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,12:30)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 04 2012,18:25)
I'll tune it, at least for a while - just as soon as I figure out what time that is in Munich. My Wiki-educated guess is 10pm.

My prophecy: Lacey Cuskin has a high, squeaky voice - think rubber duck.
Bully Bannington sounds like a heavy drinker and smoker.

It's 12pm, I think.

Thank you, JLT!

You were braver than I, I gave up after 30 minutes.

After each commercial break, i.e. every 10 minutes or so, CL and BA hysterically hyped this new, groundbreaking book. - BTW, the commercials were epitomies of blasphemy, "God bless you, XYZ Insurance Company!"

The first caller gave them a very welcome cue: Transitional fossils. They don't exist !!!111elevenhundred!!. That's when they started with the Cambrian explosion, and they got news - it only lasted 10 million years. Of course, this number still must have exasperated the YECs.

And the way BA sucked up to CL was hilarious; he called him a renaissance man because he has got a degree in geography as well as in law. Plus, he is one of the luminaries at the DI.

Date: 2012/06/06 13:08:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
[quote=Occam's Aftershave,June 05 2012,12:20]
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 05 2012,10:51)
http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......ts.html

   
Quote
Jerry the Liar Coyne and his Mental Midgets- all Drooling Spewage and No Evidence
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Yup, go figure. Jerry the liar Coyne opens a thread for me and yet he doesn't let me post and no one there offers anything that refutes what I said. Sure I can read many ignorant-filled comments and plenty of lies, but not one piece of evidence.

Is Jerry the liar Coyne an ignorant fucking coward too?

It seems that Jerry is still playing with that little "toy" between his legs...posted by Joe G @ 12:48 PM

OK, Joe has earned NCSE another 20 bucks.

Date: 2012/06/06 14:09:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
And right at the top the "Donate" button.
AFAIK you can block persons.

Date: 2012/06/06 14:44:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 12 2012,15:52)
We should point Joe to this site, the owner and he would get on like a house on fire.

BTW, Joe has created a fall-back blog ... in case his current one gets closed for pr0n?


Do you mean this one?

Date: 2012/06/07 04:53:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I bet Tina has a huge inheritance waiting for her at a foreign bank and needs your help to clear it, acting as her legal guardian.

Date: 2012/06/07 05:08:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Aaaahhh, I love living in a federal state which is predominantly Catholic! Bavaria has got holidays (= days off) the other states can only dream of.

Of course, it's a special brand of Catholicism. E.g., not so long ago sons of wealthy farmers used to ensure the fertility of a future bride by marrying her only when she had become pregnant; it was meant to ensure the unbroken line of inheritance. That was perfectly acceptable to the church. It was practised in my family, too; I found out when I had to submit my family tree to get a position as a public employee.


Edit: Kitteh for The Whole Truth.





Date: 2012/06/07 08:03:26, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ June 07 2012,07:01)
It's a holiday here in Hesse too. Any idea why?

Fronleichnam   http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki.......eichnam in German,

Corpus Christi   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......east%29
in English.

Date: 2012/06/07 08:08:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (The whole truth @ June 07 2012,07:59)
I'm not sure if you're presenting me with a Kitteh because you think I'm being a jerk or instead as a nice gesture or something, but I'll take it as a nice gesture unless you say otherwise. The Kitteh is adorable and makes me smile. Thanks. :)

Well, I felt that you are very upset about the whole EG thing and I was hoping to alleviate the atmosphere. Maybe I'm just too sensitive (all the kids in the sandbox must play nice) or a tone troll.  :-))

Date: 2012/06/07 12:15:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Renaissance Man

Date: 2012/06/08 01:13:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 07 2012,21:17)
Oh yeah, it's lame I know, but it's still POTW!  Err, anyway, where's Kattarina98 when you need her?

Right here to join the public demand for POTW for Woodbine; he must have an exhaustive archive of TARD.

Date: 2012/06/08 01:16:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Badger3k @ June 07 2012,18:24)
Is that a chimp?  It looks a bit unusual, so I thought it might be an Australopithecus or something similar.

I think so, too. The image is stolen from the internet; I'll try and find the source and edit it in.

ETA: Original image called - afarensis!!!:



Larger image of head:



Info about artist Michael Hagelberg:

https://asunews.asu.edu/2009051....hartist



Date: 2012/06/08 08:49:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ June 08 2012,08:21)
Quote (REC @ June 07 2012,15:42)
UD is barely clearing a dozen comments a day.

Unfortunately, a few of these are from the reality-based community.

Can we try to extract them?

We recovering tardicts definitely need to hold an intervention for Jared.

Definitely. I keep suspecting that all the time she/he is grinning diabolically.

Date: 2012/06/08 08:53:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ June 08 2012,08:00)
Yes , the handsome one was modeled after me... :p

Thought so, Lucy.

Seriously, I love the expression on her face, the artist did a great job.

Date: 2012/06/08 09:46:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Denyse is huffing and puffing really hard at the Tree of Life. And this time it will fall because Tuataras have an elaborated chewing mechanism .

And besides:
Quote
Best of all, have a look at one new proposed tree, a circle.
Her ID friends must really hate her, or they would have shown pity and given her a hint when she embarrassed herself last time.

Date: 2012/06/09 09:38:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
David Tyler lies and quote-mines for Jesus in "Design perspectives and the physiology of walking".
   
Quote
The authors recognise that the morphology and action they are studying is unusual among cursors, and this leads them to make a design inference. The hypothesis is that there are physiological reasons for the design of the human foot (rather than the structure being a spandrel and a witness to evolutionary tinkering).

His quote from the paper:    
Quote
Any inference of function from a single evolutionary origin must be treated with caution. However, the mechanical form of the human foot, based on the interpretation of function presented here, suggests adaptation for economical walking from both the whole body mechanics and muscle physiology perspectives.

Should I trust him - no way! I went to the paper. And that's the original text:
   
Quote
Any inference of function from a single evolutionary origin must be treated with caution. However, the mechanical form of the human foot, based on the interpretation of function presented here, suggests adaptation for economical walking from both the whole body mechanics and muscle physiology perspectives. This economical form of walking may have arisen in the hominin lineage as far back as Australopithecus afarensis (approx. 3.6 Ma). This is supported by the presence of a transverse and longitudinal arch [42] and evidence of a fully extended bipedal gait [43], together with early stance heel-strike [4,44] in A. afarensis.

Of course, there is no design inference throughout the text. I guess Jesus is not amused, David - lying is a sin.

Bolding added by me.

Date: 2012/06/11 10:06:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Thanks again! It's sweet some of you used German, one of the uglier languages around. Bavarian dialect, however, ...

Just to let you know that I'll be glad when life is back to normal = after the football championship. Fans are rioting into the wee hours right in front of my flat.

Date: 2012/06/11 10:13:41, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 11 2012,05:29)
Gordon is watching!
 
Quote
F/N 3: In looking briefly at the Anti-Evo thread, I see where there is a continued insistence on conflation of design thought with biblical creationism — cf sparc quoting and approving Katerina98 here on accusing Tyler of “lying for Jesus” and KE here in attempted rebuttal to Sal C by trying to turn about a comment he made on common errors of evolutionary materialism promoters into remarks on creationism. This is incorrect, and as it has been repeatedly corrected on warrant, it is a disregard for duties of care to truth and fairness reflective of precisely the sort of nihilistic ruthless factionalism that I point to above. This gives examples of and underscores the concerns I have pointed to J above. Concerns that trace as far back as Plato.


Hey, Gordo, are you *sure* you want to climb into bed with Sal? Really? I guess you are both YEC so it makes sense....

IDiot.

Hi, Mr KF,
I'm flattered you noticed my comment. Just a reminder:

Mr Tyler's claim was that the paper made a design inference, and he quoted a couple of sentences to bolster this claim.

In fact, however, the paper did not contain any design inference, and the sentences immediately after Mr Tyler's quote made it obvious that the authors had a strictly evolutionary = scientific point of view.

Please consider participating in a discussion in the thread opened for you.

Date: 2012/06/11 10:44:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 11 2012,10:34)
Can he bring Mr. Leathers?

Of course, we could start with "Show and Tell".

Date: 2012/06/12 05:06:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Sal Cordova reveals that painstaking research done by fellows of the Discovery Institute disproves evilutionist Steven Matheson: Intronic RNAs are not junk, they do have a function after all. Thank you, ID scientists!

Oh wait - who are the authors of that paper actually?

Steve Matheson in 2008:  
Quote
... design proponents would have left the entire bloody genome unstudied while giving lectures and writing books on the impossibility of evolution. ...


Edit: Horrible grammar fixed - more or less.



Date: 2012/06/12 11:54:42, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 12 2012,11:20)
Steve Matheson resigns over allegations of sexual involvement with a student.  Not surprisingly,
Sal kicks off the Schadenfreude-fest at UD.

 
Quote
I hope for Steve’s sake, the allegations are false and that he’ll return to debating the ID and UD community. He has a fine intellect, and he was the source of many lively scientific exchanges.


Such sincerity!  It's touching really.

Slimy Sal must have an archive full of records about the persons who have pwned him in online discussions, bearing a grudge for years. As soon as he imagines he has found a weakness he pounces.

Date: 2012/06/12 12:09:11, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ June 12 2012,11:39)
Sans paroles:


Did you attend in drag?

Date: 2012/06/12 16:01:16, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 12 2012,11:20)
Steve Matheson resigns over allegations of sexual involvement with a student.  Not surprisingly,
Sal kicks off the Schadenfreude-fest at UD.

   
Quote
I hope for Steve’s sake, the allegations are false and that he’ll return to debating the ID and UD community. He has a fine intellect, and he was the source of many lively scientific exchanges.


Such sincerity!  It's touching really.


Quote
By the way, this blog was posted also under “academic freedom”.

Calvin College sent out this letter to the students and media outlets to uphold students rights from abuse of office by professors.

What I’ve failed to mentions is that the letter was to help uphold students rights, and there has been a violation of students rights and hence academic freedom.

I feel very sorry for Steve, but there is a victim in this affair whose name is not known and whose academic freedom has been infringed on. Calvin published the story and made it widely available in the hope of furthering academic freedom.

Calvin felt that reporting of this story would help protect students rights, and I stand with them in that regard.


I'm going to puke now.

If you really want to read it at UD: http://tinyurl.com/7hqskzq....7hqskzq

Date: 2012/06/13 12:54:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
One-minute-video in which Ray Comfort and Eric Hovind make horrifying confessions:
http://tinyurl.com/c3s8be2....c3s8be2

Date: 2012/06/14 02:49:35, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ June 13 2012,15:13)
I think you have to be European to appreciate the subtleties of this one:


Nice to see that my taxes are being spent in a useful and fun way.   ;-)

Seriously, German employees have been at the receiving end of the policies of the banks and companies (in your case and in the case of Greece, it might have been tricking and bribing governments into spending way over their income) just as much as other Europeans. The net income here has been sinking for twenty years, and the percentage of precarious jobs has risen dramatically.

Date: 2012/06/14 02:56:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Glen Davidson @ June 13 2012,20:54)
Quote (Kristine @ June 13 2012,17:29)
 
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 13 2012,12:54)
One-minute-video in which Ray Comfort and Eric Hovind make horrifying confessions:
http://tinyurl.com/c3s8be2....c3s8be2

It's always interesting to see the fantasy lives as confessed by narcissists. Yeah, sure they would be "doing whatever I want," "in prison," "breaking out of prison." Yeah, suuuuuuuuurrree, you pansy boys. Whether Christian or sinner, you are soooooo spayshul, aren't you? What arrogance.

Using an old Staryucks cup to steal milk and jiggling the parking meter with a popscicle stick to avoid paying would be the extent of these milquetoast's crimes. :p

Or, they might start up a legal but sleazy scam, like...

Ironic of Ray to say to Eric, "If I weren't a Christian I'd be in prison," because that's what I think Eric's dad would say.

Glen Davidson

Barry Arrington could use the video to prove his point - in the imaginary court case he is using to force his readers into confessing that it's better to have a Christian witness.

Date: 2012/06/14 05:42:20, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ June 14 2012,05:27)
Well, while we definitely paid ourselves too much, we're not in the same boat as Greece: the problem was made muchmuchmuch worse by the decision to lump bank debt onto the public purse (i.e. me).

Gnash gnash etc.

On a brighter note: my niece in Dortmund got 1.5 in her Abi! Off to Med School, Yayyyyy!

Yes, that's what happened here, too: "Too big to fail". That gave the banks and companies a pass to be foolhardy again.

And I'm glad to hear about your niece's success. Will she go to uni immediately, or will she do a year of volontary service (thereby saving the government the expenses for trained staff)?

Oops, sorry for my labour union rantings.

Date: 2012/06/14 06:51:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 14 2012,06:44)
U.D. is better off without you smelly turds stinking the place up. Thank God Barry flushed you down the toilet.  :p

Aaahhh, I love a scientific discussion between adults! This is so much more educated than Dembski's fart video re Judge Jones.

Date: 2012/06/14 09:56:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 13 2012,12:53)
WOW: (ASSF)

 
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The Choice of (and for) Your Life



June 13, 2012

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design


No Comments



Suppose your enemy is trying to frame you for murder.  He does a good job of fabricating evidence, and you are arrested and charges are filed.  Of course you are not guilty, so you refuse all plea offers.  But being innocent does not guaranty you will win at trial, and your “no plea” position is very risky.  Indeed, the stakes could not be higher.  Under the law of your state the only allowable penalty for murder is life in prison without possibility of parole.  Your case goes to trial, and the DA’s entire case against you comes down to the testimony two witnesses.  Even though you are not guilty, it is clear to everyone that if either of these witnesses testifies against you, it is CERTAIN you will be convicted.  

Suppose the DA is feeling magnanimous and says to you, “I don’t need both of these witnesses.  If either of them testifies against you, I will get a conviction, so I will call only one of them and what’s more, I will let you choose.”  

Finally, suppose that all you know about the witnesses is that one of them is an orthodox Christian and one is an atheist and that your enemy has offered each of them ten million dollars to testify falsely against you.

Two questions:

1.  Do you have enough information so that you would be other than indifferent about which witness to choose?

2.  If the answer to the first question is “yes,” which do you choose and why?


What about if one was a Muslim and the other a Christian, Barry?

The way Denyse and Barry keep attacking Jerad for his polite and humane reasoning (instead of just picking the Christian) is starting to remind me of the "LNC - Yes or No" spring cleaning.

Date: 2012/06/14 15:17:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Febble @ June 14 2012,14:58)
They could pass for cousins.  Something about the eyebrows.

And they both sport tacky ties - but WLC's tie takes the cake.

Date: 2012/06/14 19:04:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Zachriel @ June 14 2012,18:27)
Quote (REC @ June 14 2012,11:14)
 By these metrics, (500 views per day for hot peppers, 10,000 unique views per month) virtually ALL of UD's unique traffic could be coming from people looking for hot sauce! The rest is the same 100 idiots clicking repeatedly. We know who they are.

Gulp.

POTW

Date: 2012/06/15 07:39:59, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JLT @ June 15 2012,04:21)
DO'L links to an article by Lasey Cuskin about continental drift and how long it took for it to be accepted by the scientific community. Of course, Luskin sees parallels to ID:
...

Hey Casey Luskin, isn't plate tectonics anathema for YECs? You don't want to scare them out of the Big Tent.

And by the way, Alfred Wegener didn't lounge in his armchair parasitically demanding scientists to do the research for him; he died on his fourth expedition to the arctic.

Date: 2012/06/16 06:29:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98

Date: 2012/06/16 10:05:38, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Tonight, one of our public wireless stations is going to air seven hours of Bloom; actors will read the different parts, turning it into a kind of radio play. So, definitely a happy Bloomsday.

Date: 2012/06/16 10:28:19, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Amadan @ June 16 2012,10:15)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 16 2012,16:05)
Tonight, one of our public wireless stations is going to air seven hours of Bloom; actors will read the different parts, turning it into a kind of radio play. So, definitely a happy Bloomsday.

Auf Deutsch?

 
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Stattlich kam rundlich Buck Mulligan aus dem Treppenabsatz, tragende eine Schale mit Seifenschaum, auf dem ein Spiegel und ein Rasiermesser gekreuzt lagen.



Lacks  . . .  shall we say, etwas!

Yes, in German. They've got to respect their audience.

Date: 2012/06/16 13:59:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Live-Stream:   http://www.dradio.de/dlf............dlf

Now playing in German - if you native speakers want a good laugh.

Date: 2012/06/18 02:23:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Woodbine @ June 16 2012,16:07)
The Beeb are doing Ulysses in 15 minute sized chunks at a time. Featuring the bloke who played Moriarty in Sherlock (if that floats one's boat).

Get them here....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcast....ulysses

I don't think the downloads are UK restricted - but if they are then that just serves you right for being foreign.

Thanks for the link, and you were right, they give access to foreigners.

Date: 2012/06/19 00:51:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
The Dodgenator has churned out combination a1:
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I’m something of an evangelist for classical music, since it has brought me so much joy and reward all throughout my life. My piano teacher, Ruby Bailey, with whom I studied from the age of seven through high school (and, actually, beyond), I consider to be my second mother.
...
So how does Darwinism account for this, the extraordinary power of music in all of our lives?

Date: 2012/06/19 10:51:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ha! Darwinism needs to account for all fields of science - geology, physics, astrophysics, cosmology, neuroscience ... you name it. As soon as new results come in which explain a phenomenon Teh Designer is under attack.

Date: 2012/06/20 02:06:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 19 2012,16:00)
News:
 
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A new book, Science and Human Origins, by Ann Gauger, Doug Axe, and Casey Luskin, has hit the street, and we’ll be having a fair bit more to say about it.

For now, just this: Developmental biologist Ann Gauger, who wasn’t sure whether the human race could have come from one original couple, as opposed to Templeton winner Francisco Ayala’s claim of thousands of people, concludes in Chapter 5 that Ayala was vastly overstating his case, and that it is quite possible that there was one Adam and one Eve.*


I'm not sure that's the spin they want put on it "news"....

http://www.uncommondescent.com/human-e....-426662

This is great news! It supports fundamentalism in more than one way. Mitochondrial Eve had to wait 80,000 years for Y-chromosomal Adam to appear, thereby giving both a fine example of biblical longevity and preemptive conjugal fidelity. Darwinism is refuted, biblical literalism vindicated, moral lesson drawn.

Date: 2012/06/21 13:59:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Having ape ancestors is way cooler than having been modelled out of a lump of dirt. And a clean and uninterrupted genetic lineage still beats some tinkering and tweaking along the way - it's just much more streamlined, just like a Lamborghini is cooler than a pimped ride.

Date: 2012/06/21 15:01:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 21 2012,14:43)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 21 2012,13:59)
Having ape ancestors is way cooler than having been modelled out of a lump of dirt. And a clean and uninterrupted genetic lineage still beats some tinkering and tweaking along the way - it's just much more streamlined, just like a Lamborghini is cooler than a pimped ride.

Pardon my utter lack of Photoshop skills (or in this case, Paint.NET).

That's hilarious - I needed that laugh!

Date: 2012/06/22 05:29:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (REC @ June 21 2012,14:32)
From the ID isn't creationist files:

 
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Nick Matzke:

Do you have proof that Adam and Eve weren’t specially created? If you do, please offer it.


And from the snippets Gauger has posted, it looks like all she has some minor criticism of the methodologies used. Muddy the waters a bit. If she actually had shocking proof of Adam and Eve, why isn't she doing interviews on Fox? What is this buy my book/read the chapter B.S.?

The way Denyse is treating all realists' comments, I'm afraid that in future everyone will have to prove that they have read Gauger's fifth chapter before they are allowed to have an opinion on Adam and Eve. Best send a JPEG of the invoice!

Date: 2012/06/22 09:29:54, Link
Author: Kattarina98
First, I'd like to remind commenters that Dr Jammer is not Jerad (who is very much reality based).

And Dr Jammer, please don't reduce the issue to a conflict of worldviews. It looks suspiciously like a way to avoid discussing evidence. Besides, it's rather boring. There is quite enough of that going on over at UD.

Date: 2012/06/22 13:12:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (JohnW @ June 22 2012,12:57)
Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 21 2012,16:42)
After all, I've seen many valid pro-I.D. arguments regarding the origin of life

1.  Looks designed to me.
2.  To me, it looks designed.
3.  In my opinion, it has the appearance of design.
4.  I'd say that looks like it was designed.

Did I miss any, Dr Jammer?

5.  No island-hopping for beneficial mutations.

Date: 2012/06/24 01:51:40, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Dr Jammer, didn't you read that KF is still dealing with his never-ending crisis? It's true that he regularly patrols the malarial fever swamp AtBC when he finds the time but he won't be able to feel all warm and fuzzy over your praise until much later when the crisis is over.

Edit: Clarification



Date: 2012/06/29 02:12:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Very belated Happy Birthday!

Date: 2012/06/29 07:29:55, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Summertime - when newsworthy topics get scarce and journalists have to scrape the bottom of the barrel ...

DeNews brings the dregs straight to UD:
 
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Remember serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer? Darwinism played a role in his crimes too


... Add this one to the files about the Darwin-driven Columbine shooter and Finnish school shooter. And Norwegian mass murder Anders Breivik, who tumbled a generous dollop of Darwin in with the Norse gods …


Click for bottom of barrel

Edited spelling and vocabulary



Date: 2012/06/29 11:50:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 29 2012,11:37)
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 29 2012,05:01)
Denyse has come up with a Salvador-worthy remark.  

VJ Torley has an article on UD, Beyond a Joke, where he fills in some details on ACE (Accellerated Christian Education) and their textbooks, which are now elegible for government funds in Louisiana.  They are the ones who said that the Loch Ness Monster is real and a dinosaur.

Basically, ACE is much worse than you've heard and VJ is properly shocked.  He gets a lot of information from a guy named Jonny Scaramanga, a Brit who endured four years at an ACE school before a nervous breakdown bought his freedom.  Wonder of Wonders, VJ even gives a link to Jonny's testimony on, of all places, Pharyngula!

VJ also gives a lot of other unsavory detail about ACE - their support of Apartheid, their flattering info on the Klan, etc.  (I don't think VJ realizes how much of a political power the KKK was in turn of the 20th century America.  I've seen a picture of a KKK parade through the streets of my Wisconsin city in the early 20th century, for instance.  The Klansmen were in full regalia, including hoods, and the first ranks of the parade consisted of uniformed policemen!)

Anyway, VJ has printed a good story about one of the major publishers supplying Christian schools and home schoolers.

Denyse, who brought ACE up in the first place and who didn't seem to believe it was real, then blows herself out of the water with the first reply:            
Quote
Good work, Torley! In a back-handed way, it shows the value of school vouchers. If vouchers weren’t involved, it wouldn’t have come to public attention in the same way.

Thank God for vouchers!  How else would we learn about Christian nastiness?

Follow up comments by tragic mishap and Bobby Byers are scary.

I'm giving odds this post goes to the memory hole.

Actually, I loved Robert Byers' comment:
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Theres nothing wrong with these things.
Its common in YEC circles to say possibly dinos didn’t go extinct etc.
Then they report common reports about creatures that might of been leftover dinos etc.

He's right - Ken Ham can't refute Nessie if he shows a saddled dino in his amusement park.

Date: 2012/07/01 09:42:17, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Mung has a sad:
 
Quote
Even Bill publishes elsewhere first, then posts the link here.

Mean Double Doctor links to his review "Dennett on Competence without Comprehension", posted two days earlier on EN&V.  Of course, comments are disabled over there, whereas Dennet's article has more than 150 comments and counting.

Will UD members go to the trouble to open three windows simultaneously, or will they sulk? "Just for that, we'll ignore you. Take that!"

Date: 2012/07/01 12:11:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 01 2012,11:53)
Does Dembski seriously believe that life is magic?

Of course he does. Or what else would be the contrary of material forces?
Quote
In his concluding sentence, he faults those, like me, who would question that science can comprehend the way the mind works (with science here conceived as a reductionist science that reduces everything ultimately to the interaction of material forces).


My emphasis

Date: 2012/07/01 12:39:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Ogre, I'm sorry about your mother. And I know how you must feel. When my parents became weak and their eyesight deteriorated I had to fly in each weekend for half a year until they allowed me to organise help.

Date: 2012/07/02 10:53:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Oh noes - someone has hijacked Joe's blog!111!

The real Joe knows that genetic algorithms are God's the Designer's instruments which reside inside  outside wherever ... anyway somewhere around the cell and guide mutations development whatever; he said so over at The Skeptical Zone.

Date: 2012/07/02 12:43:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
What do you mean, "script"? Star Trek is a documentary. Just wait until they show the episode when the aliens build Stonehenge.

ETA
From the UFO thread:
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And next what about some advanced civilization living here? ie not from another star, well maybe long ago but here to stay?


Apparently his parents never told him about the birds and the bees; this from the guy who posted a NSFW link.
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What is the empirically confirmed process by which ‘common descent’ produces organs and nerves and knits them into a living thing?


TARD



Date: 2012/07/02 15:30:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
That's what inspired Joe's blog post about GA - read the whole hysterically funny thread over at Cornelius Hunter starting from here.
A tidbit:
Quote
But yes the GAs that run us are inside of us. What is the alternative that all our functions "just happen" once we get the right chemicals together? Good luck testing that...


Pity that lots of comments got deleted by the administrator.

Date: 2012/07/03 03:23:05, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Of course, the scientific explanation is that the designer keeps watching over his creation, adding and deleting features as needed. The Lord giveth and he taketh away.

Date: 2012/07/03 04:58:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 03 2012,03:23)
Of course, the scientific explanation is that the designer keeps watching over his creation, adding and deleting features as needed. The Lord giveth and he taketh away.

Robert Byers must have read my post:  
Quote
Instead it shows a innate triggering system that gives and takes such pads as need arrises.
Its just like human colour.
It happened suddenly upon need and so mechanisms are there in biology to bring this about.
Just as it would be if a creator makes so that creatures can survive.

Date: 2012/07/03 11:15:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He's Canadian; I wonder if part of his unique style is due to the fact that his native language is French.

Fake ETA: Now I'm feeling all smug for being nice and calling it "unique style". I had to because I'm aware that my English is far from perfect, too.

Real edit: JohnW, I hate ninjas    ;-)



Date: 2012/07/03 13:19:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98






Date: 2012/07/03 14:43:48, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (OgreMkV @ July 03 2012,14:35)
Mom update.

The clot is removed and several leaky blood vessels were sealed.

No indications of retinal damage or failure.  She shouldn't even have any blind spots.

yay

Good news indeed! Were you with her during these days?

She must be so relieved to be able to cope now. Moving elsewhere would have been terrible; it's not only the house but the neighbourhood which is so important - people you have seen grow up, shop owners who greet you with your name, when you read the local news you know what it's all about ... it is incredibly damaging to be uprooted.

Date: 2012/07/04 02:02:28, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Denyse informs us that BIO-Complexity proudly published a review by Matti Leisola, Ossi Pastinen, Douglas Axe: Lignin—Designed Randomness
   
Quote
Here, we review what is currently known about the structural components of wood that make these materials so difficult to process industrially and so difficult to degrade biologically. We then move to a more philosophical level by considering whether the existence of lignin and the absence of an organism that can grow on lignin are more readily explained from the Darwinian perspective or from the design perspective.

You didn't expect actual research, did you? It's a critical review - duh!

   
Quote
In the end, it seems plausible that dining on lignin is only difficult, not impossible, but either way the design view seems to offer a more satisfactory account of what we know.

The fatal blow to evolution is already dealt in the abstract:    
Quote
The Darwinian account must somehow reconcile 400 million years of failure to evolve a relatively modest innovation—growth on lignin—with a long list of spectacular innovations thought to have evolved in a fraction of that time.

Exactly! And if flight appeared several times, why didn't humans evolve it by now? Because evolution doesn't work and the designer doesn't want us to fly, that's why.

An interview with Matti Leisola in Creation Ministries International here.

ETA: My emphasis



Date: 2012/07/04 04:44:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98


I'm one day late and too ashamed to show up, so I sent Joe instead.

Date: 2012/07/04 08:05:23, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Poor Denyse! Should I give you a list of topics to make fun of instead?

Date: 2012/07/04 09:21:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Great find, Zachriel!
So Axe's et. al. review I quoted in our BIOComplexity thread is based on ignorance or worse. One of the authors is a specialist in this field; I found lots of his papers with Google. So he either didn't bother to check the literature, or - shock! - he lied.

Date: 2012/07/04 10:35:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He can't be talking about AtBC; we don't photoshop decent grandmothers (Denyse?) with sexual slurs because Lou would delete the filth because we are mature persons.

Date: 2012/07/04 10:40:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Zachriel has posted two papers about termites merrily digesting lignin on the Uncommonly Dense thread; one was published in 1979.

Date: 2012/07/04 10:52:15, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Links on AtBC only work until a certain length, you'll have to go to UD and check the OP.

Date: 2012/07/04 12:14:03, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ July 04 2012,11:32)
I wonder if this post by The Whole Truth is what set KF off??

Well, at the time I thought it was a bit drastic. But the lady in question linked Dahmer with Darwin shortly afterwards.

Date: 2012/07/05 01:43:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98


Happy Birthday! For a present, I made a test for you: Can you identify the object I painted your age on? If you do, you get the True Kiwi Award With A Laurel Twig.

Date: 2012/07/05 06:41:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Award coming up!!!

I've been there twice, the second time I had a lovely seafood dinner at Fleur's Place.

Edited to add link http://www.fleursplace.com/....ace.com



Date: 2012/07/05 11:20:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 05 2012,10:52)
All we need now is for Barry to elope with Denyse and log into UD from the bridal suite and ban everybody involved for mopery with intent to gawk.

Vile sexual slur to decent grandmother noted and reported to KF.

Date: 2012/07/05 11:48:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ July 05 2012,11:29)
Does kairosfocus have a special email address for reporting vile sexual slurs?  Kind of like an internet bat signal?  I would love to have it since I see those EVERYWHERE.

They are everywhere, and KF keeps tracking and tackling them; that's one of his ongoing crises.

Date: 2012/07/05 13:20:47, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote
Sal felt so proud of his “coming out” that he had to announce it on an evo blog.

...says Joe.

Does anyone know what blog he is talking about?

Date: 2012/07/05 13:47:36, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Patrick @ July 05 2012,13:24)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 05 2012,14:20)
Quote
Sal felt so proud of his “coming out” that he had to announce it on an evo blog.

...says Joe.

Does anyone know what blog he is talking about?

Lizzie's.

Thanks.
Ge's still a nasty piece of work - did you read how he gloated over groovamus who made a math mistake?

Date: 2012/07/06 00:18:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98



Bonus points if you recognise the Kiwi's head.

Date: 2012/07/06 00:20:58, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He shouldn't worry too much; as has been pointed out over at TSZ, the argument has been around and will be around for ages to come.

Date: 2012/07/06 05:48:25, Link
Author: Kattarina98
No, it's not Tem - I loved him in "Tracker" - it's super hunk Jerome Kaino. BTW, I was in Auckland in 2011!!!!!
Note to the public: Rugby.

Date: 2012/07/06 14:52:10, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Rich, I think you made a tactical mistake when you said  
Quote
Joe is too stupid to show he's painting himself into a corner. Let's help him.
1) Describe an experiment that is not designed, please Joe.

Because now he's smelling a rat:  
Quote
Tell me what that has to do with anything I have said about GAs/ EAs.

Or are you also too stupid to understand the OP?


 
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Its very pertinant, Joe. You'll see. start by answering the question. If all experiments are designed, that's fine too. Just say so.


He keeps balking.
 
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No, it isn't and you would see if you would just tell me what that has to do with anything I have said about GAs/ EAs.


Will Joe have the balls the grandeur to answer?

Date: 2012/07/06 15:48:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Joe, kudos for answering. I didn't expect you to. It's nice to see that amount of unwarranted confidence.

Rich, congratz for unearthing this tardmine.

Date: 2012/07/07 02:37:08, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (paulmc @ July 06 2012,20:42)
Ann Gauger has now posted an insubstantial response to "some critics" of her book on Biologic's website, who she accuses of misrepresenting her work. These critics apparently claimed Gauger had said "humans arose four million years ago."

O'Leary has picked up on this and turned it into a slurs-against-Gauger post: If the girl is making some sense, they have to make up something she didn’t say, so they don’t have to address what she did say. Apparently, a five-part review doesn't count as addressing what Gauger said.

I have responded.

So I noticed; it happens a lot lately. E.g., Dembski posted over at EN&V (comments disabled) and dropped a link at Uncommonly Dense, Luskin and McLatchie's articles on EN&V (comments disabled) are cited favourably by O'Leary, Kairosfocus shoots unintelligible OPs at AtBC (comments disabled), and bizarrely, scordova and Granville Sewell are currently discussing with each other via two different threads.

I don't think it's a conspiracy  :-))  , maybe just an unwillingness to sully their nice and clean blogs with discussions.

Date: 2012/07/07 11:31:51, Link
Author: Kattarina98
It's getting even weirder - now Gauger has defended Axe et al.'s paper on lignin at BioComplexity, and O'Leary has copied it onto UD. What a bunch of cowards.

Edit: http://tinyurl.com/c6p6u5a....c6p6u5a leads to UD



Date: 2012/07/07 11:36:32, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Cross post from the Uncommonly Dense thread:

It's getting even weirder - now Gauger has defended Axe et al.'s paper on lignin at BioComplexity, and O'Leary has copied it onto UD. What a bunch of cowards.

Edit: http://tinyurl.com/c6p6u5a....c6p6u5a leads to UD

Date: 2012/07/07 12:54:27, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He promises:  
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I'll be discussing this issue more in the coming weeks.

... with Casey and Gerbil, no doubt.

http://tinyurl.com/c2sulmb....c2sulmb

Date: 2012/07/08 07:44:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Could KF be one of those creationists who think that a transitional fossil is a chimera, e.g. the transition between fish and amphibian doesn't look somehow like Tiktaalik but has the body of a pike and the head and paws of a salamander?
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So, we are in our rights to draw out that the dominant pattern of the fossil record, after 150 years of diligent search — and despite the misleading headlines, museum exhibits, and textbook or Nat Geog Channel icons, declarations, reconstructions and footage, and even outright fraud [ a la Haeckel] etc — is that we have islands of body forms. Precisely the opposite to what the darwinian tree of incrementally varying life forms branching out by RV + NS, would lead us to have expected.

And in all of this, we need to remember, that the diversification to yield the varied forms is so complex that transitional forms SHOULD be utterly statistically dominant, ...


UD link

Date: 2012/07/09 02:41:52, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (paulmc @ July 08 2012,22:32)
...

"I find this suspicious. They seem to be afraid of directly confronting ID arguments. Why would that be?"

In a piece that criticising people for not reading the DI book, stop being a hypocrite and read the fucking review, David. I confronted the arguments!

In their world, "directly confronting" means a public debate at a Christian University, moderated by a member of the DI, with the audience handpicked by them, the debate being recorded, heavily edited and copyrighted by them; quotemines then published online by them together with an advertisement "Buy the DVD".

ETA: It's a shame that the DI is so low on funding that they can't even spring for updated books for Luskin to use.



Date: 2012/07/09 03:18:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Creationists like to point to the morphology of "living fossils", e.g. the Tuatara or the Coelacanths, to prove that those "kinds" didn't change over millions of years. However, genetics tell a different story.

Date: 2012/07/09 10:14:43, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Remember those SciFi movies in which aliens can adapt their morphology to the species they are interacting with? Well, Slimy Sal must be one of them. Over at TSZ he makes an effort to rationally and humbly discuss physics with the experts. Meanwhile, over at UD:  
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The proper way to frame the argument is not whether evolution is compatible or incompatible with laws, rather wether life’s emergence is consistent with the supposed mechanisms of origin of life and evolution.

Why is this distinction important? Because living systems transcends physical laws just like software transcends physical law and hardware by definition.

If we suppose evolutionary mechanisms are based on physical law, but then demonstrate that life’s essential features are independent of physical law,
then your question becomes moot.


Edited to add link



Date: 2012/07/10 02:38:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
How well do you know the crazy world of Joe? Who might be addressed here?    
Quote
Just because your having sex with your mother and other types of animals gets you points with evoTARDS, those points don't carry any weight around here.

Just to be clear ........... (insert correct answer here) - you are a sick fuck liar and a coward.

Date: 2012/07/10 02:46:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Sal shows compassion:  
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I have nothing personal against Ms. Watson, if anything I feel very sorry for her as it appears her life is going down the tubes. I pray she will find the right path…

Nevertheless, my point was to show, going from atheist to creationist doesn’t imply someone has lost their mind. The two individuals are contrasted to bring home that point.
God bless his generous soul!

Date: 2012/07/10 17:51:50, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Fire at will.

Date: 2012/07/10 18:01:02, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Yes Quack, as a child, I wanted to become a palaeontologist, too. Our biology teacher fascinated us with the story about the first coelacanth's discovery, but I was even more impressed by the dinosaurs.
Sadly, I was a coward and became a teacher after all.

Date: 2012/07/11 02:54:37, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (afarensis @ July 10 2012,19:14)
Quote (The whole truth @ July 10 2012,18:52)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 09 2012,14:07)
Oh I can play this game.


INTERWEBS, WHO AM TEH BESTS?



CREATIONIST LIAR DOUCHE

  ~or~



ATHIEST WAR HERO NFL PLAYING AMERICA LOVING PATRIOT?

Is the first picture slimy sal?

yes, at least it's a picture of him in his human morph...

The second one is Richardthughes who made a bad move posting it: Now Joe G. knows how he looks.    O_O

Date: 2012/07/11 02:59:01, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (J-Dog @ July 10 2012,18:34)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 10 2012,17:51)
Fire at will.

And fresh off the "I just made it up, but it sound pretty darned real" list:  

Here's Sal's after a hard day at teh Quote Mine:

Sal:  "And notable Athiest and Evil baby-hater Katarina even went so far as to recommend to all her hateful crew that they should "Fire at will", unquestionably referring to the patron Saint of ID, the Saintly and Holy Dr. Dr. Will Dembski."

Why would we want to shoot the attendant of the empty car park of a bible college?

Date: 2012/07/11 04:40:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 11 2012,03:49)
Can anyone point me to a good summary of this FTBullies spat? I caught some of it, but was away doing (well, talking about) Science last week, so I think I missed the fun.

Sorry, I can't provide an unbiased summary, but here are what I think the relevant blog posts:

Thunderfoot's offending post:
http://tinyurl.com/d774xp9....d774xp9


PZ's answer:
http://tinyurl.com/7q2jnkt....7q2jnkt


Thunderfoot's following posts:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/thunder....derf00t

Ed Brayton announcing TF's banning:
http://tinyurl.com/c5x2k3n....c5x2k3n

My biased opinion:
Excluding someone for bad behaviour is a bit rich - at PZ's blog bad behaviour is deemed a virtue. Remember Gelatigate when Lizzie got attacked for tone trolling simply because her comments were not foulmouthed?

That said, I think Thunderfoot didn't quite get the issue at hand.

Edit: I'm pulling a bornagain77 now, but this video is doing a good job at evaluating what has happened.

Oops, forgot to link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....re=plcp



Date: 2012/07/11 09:21:56, Link
Author: Kattarina98
In her post 'Earliest animals (so far): “bizarre frond-shaped organisms which lived 580-550 million years ago”' journalist extraordinaire O'Leary has discovered a new method to bring the message home: Make stuff up.

The method was probably inspired by an article in "Creation-Evolution Headlines" which did it first. She quotes them:
 
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The discovery confirms a remarkable variety of rangeomorph fossil forms so early in their evolutionary history,” the article said. Professor Brasier added another difficulty to the fact that they appeared in a remarkable variety out of nowhere: their diversification came “in an ‘Ediacaran explosion’ that may have mirrored the profusion of new life forms we see in the Cambrian.

O'Leary closes her post:  
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The fossil record shows abrupt appearance of complex life, rapid burial and exquisite preseveration, he notes, not what kids are taught in school about slow, gradual change.

Let's look at Science Daily where both she and CEH found the story. Surprise: Quotes not found.

And now for the official press release: Nope, Brasier said no such thing.

Congratz on your journalistic integrity, Denyse! I'm already paging oldmanintheskydidntdoit, he's eager to show you his appreciation.

Date: 2012/07/11 13:31:12, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Looks good to me. Maybe just a temporary glitch?

Date: 2012/07/11 17:51:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 11 2012,17:30)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 11 2012,16:43)
Quote (Henry J @ July 11 2012,16:39)
That's only if his words have any weight to start with. ;)

Hmm. What's the oppostive of a citation?

Gordo:
   
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Viruses, of course, are not self-replicating. They hijack the machinery of a living cell, and act as rogue programs. (The use of the term computer virus was in part inspired by that.)


But Gordo, these "rogue programs" were also designed, remember?

Programs have programmers etc etc.

So, Gordo, explain that! He's a bit of a shit this "designer" of yours, no?

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-of-life/id-foundations-15-migneas-simplest-self-replicator-the-vnsr-and-a-designed-origin-of-cell-




based-life/#comment-427656]DUH![/URL]

EDIT: Even KF's post titles are overly verbose and break the links. Fuck it, it can stay like that as a testament to his windbaggery.

That's a strange definition of 'self-replicating'. The virus synthesizes things external to itself to make more of itself. Are we not self replicating , as we don't make our own food / atmosphere / gravity etc? These are complex things that we are most surely 'hijacking'.

Ha, KF's trick didn't work. Remember his comment was in answer to Jerad who talked about a very simple first replicator, and KF started arguing about the cell instead?
Well, kuartos noticed and wants an answer now - of course he hurries to kowtow: "I don't buy it." But nevertheless he wants Gordo's opinion.

Date: 2012/07/11 18:05:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (The whole truth @ July 11 2012,17:45)
What's with all the "culture", "community", "commune" bullshit about atheists? I'm an atheist, but not because some other people are atheists, and I'm not a member of some atheist community, culture, or commune. I think for myself and don't need to be a member of some so-called culture, commune, or community to do so.

Maybe you should account for the reality a lot of US American atheists live in. Imagine a deeply religious family and you are the only atheist member, in a small town, all alone and no way to come out. I think knowing you are part of a community might help to bear the pressure.

But what do I know? Where I live fundies are either laughed at when they preach at street corners, or they make others feel vicariously embarrassed when they talk about their belief in company.

Date: 2012/07/12 09:39:44, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 12 2012,09:31)
Gordon's written a lot of words when he should have said "I can't / won't define a transitional form"

5487 words in three consecutive bloviating comments.
And I still suspect that he's just too chicken to say that he only accepts chimeras as transitional fossils.

Date: 2012/07/12 10:09:45, Link
Author: Kattarina98
KF now in full creationist mode.    
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Don’t forget the observed variability across deer and similar animals. Does this provide a branching, incremental account of the origin of the body plans for these animals, or does it simply show variations and adaptations of a general already existing form? In a case where red deer from Europe (which have quite a range of variants out into Asia, as i recall) and Elk from North America were found freely interfertile when introduced in NZ for hunting, never mind the taxonomic categorisations.


Gordo, why do you even bother to come up with sciencey sounding justifications for ID? Why not just say "The designer created each kind in its form (allow for wriggle space of adaptations)" and be done with it?

Edit: By the way, Gordo, the Deer and Elk story is a nice example of why evolution is true.



Date: 2012/07/12 10:15:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Joe, long time no see. Won't you come over to play? We could discuss an interesting TV programme:



It's produced by National Geographic, it must be scientific! I bet you are watching and recording it.

Date: 2012/07/12 15:31:09, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi SD, I'm glad you posted; I've missed you. And I'm really, really sorry to hear about your bad health. At times like these I wished I were religious - I could pray for you and be comforted to know that I did something essential for you.

My best wishes anyway.

Date: 2012/07/13 01:21:07, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Banhammerishly brilliant! Will this be Diogenes' swan song?

http://tinyurl.com/88rhjrn....88rhjrn

http://tinyurl.com/7atkosb....7atkosb

Date: 2012/07/13 09:58:18, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Hi Schroedinger's Dog, I hope you are strong enough to celebrate.




@ Badger3k:  
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It doesn't help when you have people banned after posting a comment asking for evidence (or in the latest, being asked to give evidence that Paula Kirby is not anti-feminist, then being banned before any more comments could be made).


Did this happen recently?    O_O

Date: 2012/07/13 10:22:33, Link
Author: Kattarina98
What's the difference between batshit77 and Diogenes? Both have a huge archive, but only one of them is honest.

This is a battle of achives over at Corny's blog; maybe I should have posted it in AtBC's Cornelius Hunter thread, but since we are talking about Diogenes here ... anyway, feel free to move it.

I'm not going to verbally quote Batshit77's spam fest; he came up with
- Piltdown Man
- Icon Of Evolution - Ape To Man - The Ultimate Deception - Jonathan Wells - video
- Hominid Hype and the Election Cycle - Casey Luskin - September 2011
- Dr. Leakey produced a biased reconstruction (of 1470/ Homo Rudolfensis) based on erroneous preconceived expectations of early human appearance that violated principles of craniofacial development
- Lucy - The Powersaw Incident - a humorous video showing how extremely biased evolutionists can be with the evidence to make it fit their preconceived Darwinian worldview
- and Gauger's latest BS

And Diogenes:

   
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So basically, the pathological liars of creationism can point to one real hoax per century for evolutionists: Piltdown Man. That's several hundred frauds per century for creationists, and one per century for evolutionists.

The rest are all your lies and fabrications. Let's look at BA77's scientific "experts."

http://conservapedia.com/Evoluti....opology

Oh, Conservapedia, the website that is the personal Stalinist gulag of another *LAWYER*, Andy Schlafly.

Conservapedia, that says the Theory of Relativity was a fraud plagiarized by Einstein and pulled off by the media. Conservapedia, that for years asserted quantum field theory was a hoax. Good thing you trust lawyers instead of experimental evidence.

Science & Human Origins: Interview with Casey Luskin (on the severe and large gaps in the hypothetical human evolution fossil record) - July 2012 - podcast
http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry......1-07_00

Oh, a podcast from another lawyer, Casey Luskin! Luskin, who in his new book, dismisses the intermediate status of Homo habilis on the grounds of Spoor et al. 1994, an article which, if Luskin had read it, actually shows that the one and only *true* Homo habilis fossil they studied, *IS* in fact intermediate in inner ear structure between Australopiths and Homo erectus. And then asserts that Australopithecines did not walk upright, by quote-mining and citing Oxnard 1975, when Oxnard believed no such thing.

Remember when Luskin said Lucy was the most complete hominid fossil ever found?

Luskin, who is once again flogging the lie that scientists said Junk DNA = non-coding DNA. Tell that to Jacques Monod.

Or when Luskin in 2005 said chromosomal fusion causes Down's syndrome, and that a mutant with chromosomal fusion would be non-viable (ignoring massive cytogenetic evidence to the contrary)?

Nebraska Man: A Single Pig Tooth!

Funny, the guy who published that paper, Osborn, never claimed it was an ancestor of man, and denounced the imaginative cartoon in the London Daily News. In the whole world, only one scientist (not an author of the article) asserted it was an ancestor of man. Osborn thought it was an ape. When he figured out his mistake, he published a retraction within 5 years.

What ID proponent has ever retracted a false claim after just 5 years? Never.

Since we're on the subject of teeth, let's recall Glen Rose Man-- that creationist Carl Baugh found a tooth in a Cretaceous strata and said it was from pre-Flood man.

1. And the Paluxy manprints, promoted by Henry Morris and A.E. Wilder-Smith and hundreds of creationists since the 1930's till today.

2. The Freiberg skull made of black coal, and the Calaveras skeleton, all frauds promoted by Henry Morris.

3. And "Homo phenanthropus mirabilis", the Beria, Kentucky "Manprints" (actually chalk drawings) promoted by A. E. Wilder-Smith.

4. And Burdick's trilobite/footprint, promoted by A. E. Wilder-Smith.

5. And many, many other frauds and lies promoted by Henry Morris, A. E. Wilder-Smith and the Institute for Creation Research.

But William Dembski borrowed his best ideas from A. E. Wilder-Smith, and said Henry Morris was a great man. Yes, they were great by creationist standards: he got away with fraud again and again.

Icon Of Evolution - Ape To Man - The Ultimate Deception - Jonathan Wells - video
http://vimeo.com/1908008....9080087

I agree that the subtitle "The Ultimate Deception" is an accurate description of Jonathan "peppered moths don't rest on trees" Well's Icons of Evolution, and indeed his entire career.



http://tinyurl.com/7b4w632....7b4w632

Date: 2012/07/13 16:59:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
KF wouldn't come up with a shiny new OP just to escape the nagging about the definition of "transitional fossil" and "fully formed body plans" in the other thread? A very own OP where he can ban nasty Diogenes?

Date: 2012/07/14 13:30:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Mr Leathers strikes again!  
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Diogenes was ill informed or willfully deceitful on the question of defaults. he then used this in an atmosphere poisoning exercise that appeals to misinformation, bigotry, prejudice and slanders of Christians and those influenced by Christianity as a whole.

Such incivility has to be corrected, and restrained. As well we know from experience on what it does and has repeatedly done in this blog and elsewhere.


Date: 2012/07/14 17:16:13, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Impotent rant about malarial fever swamp in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Date: 2012/07/15 10:34:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Denyse doesn't give up: "Adam and Eve could be real?"

Commenter SamHManning tries reason:  
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If all extant humans arose from a single breeding pair, producing phenotypes as diverse as those found in the diminutive, dark-skinned pygmies and the towering, blond fair-skinned Dutch, I have to wonder why cheetahs are having such a hard time.

And Joe can haz praydickshun: The end is near!111!!!!  
Quote
Cheetahs are at their end, just as the pygmies and Dutch.

UD link

Date: 2012/07/16 09:14:30, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 16 2012,08:45)
Quote (BillB @ July 15 2012,04:33)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 15 2012,04:09)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 14 2012,17:03)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 12 2012,15:43)
Gordon Mullings gets asked for specifics, shits the bed:

     
Quote
F/N: I see an attempt to draw us out on a further tangent regarding triceratops and kin. I will simply say, what is the vertical transformational significance of variations beyond say those of the deer family or say the pattern of diversity we may see across mastodons and elephants, or the Finches of the Galapagos? Again, where is the lead up to the general body plan, and the lead out to a farther along one, climbing up a branch to an alleged “higher” life form? I trust this makes the pivotal issue sufficiently plain, and why I see no point in further entertaining distractors maintained even after I took a fair amount of time to already address and correct them. After a couple of rounds like that, it becomes evident that side-tracking was the rhetorical object, not clarity.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-427720

And he's run off. Coward.

And he back

Hi Gordo! *waves*

It's frankly pathetic how you wont give your definition. You accuse others of everything, but in the cold light of day you're a coward, unable to give the definition. I imagine the Scottish Mullings would be very embarrassed by you - I suggest you change your motto from bydand to *bwaka!*, the sound of retreating poultry.

Just wait, I can feel it growing in the air ...

Semi quasi psuedo transitional quarter semi final-final body plan.
Someone should write a book - a comedyof errors

And KFC (Kiros Focus Chicken) is still getting spanked in that thread. Still no definition form him...

Start the fireworks! Open the champaigne! KF has delivered!!!!

Spoiler: It's a c & p from Wikipedia re "body plan".

Now we need another week of nagging, and he just might come up with a definion of "transitional fossil".

Date: 2012/07/16 12:08:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Bob O'H @ July 16 2012,11:54)
Quote
And don't forget, 'Though Darwin titled his book “The Origin of Species,” little in the book, in fact, addresses the question of how new species arise.'  In a way, she's right.  The title page, for instance, has very little to do with how new species arise except that it says it's about the Origin of Species.

In fairness, it's quite well known that The Origin of Species doesn't say a lot about the actual process of speciation. Unfortunately we evolutionary biologists have to stick to Darwin's Holy Word, so we can't even begin to look for an explanation for speciation. One Irish scientist (Al O'Patrick) claimed to have worked on it, but nobody he didn't get much sympatry for his views.

Alas, poor Al O'Patrick! He had to migrate during one of those famines.

Date: 2012/07/16 18:15:00, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (midwifetoad @ July 16 2012,17:33)
Edited to remove extraneous cats.

Ceiling Cat forgives you - not!

Date: 2012/07/16 19:02:49, Link
Author: Kattarina98
He's a trained scientist, as Lizzie keeps reminding him. Deep down, he must suspect that "mainstream science" got it right. I wonder how he can look into the mirror, see a liar each morning, and then claim the moral highground over the evil materialists.

BTW, I've become allergic to the term mainstream science since I learnt what those who use it want to supplant it with.

Date: 2012/07/17 08:55:22, Link
Author: Kattarina98
fnxtr wanted me to portrait KF as harlequin. He didn't specify the gender.

Date: 2012/07/17 11:20:31, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BillB @ July 17 2012,05:55)
KF gets a ticking off for threadjacking:    
Quote


Kairosfocus posted: “LYO: You have some pretty serious unfinished business of accounting for some loaded and unsubstantiated accusations you have made. Kindly, attend to this. KF”

This thread has a topic under discussion. Please either contribute or remain virtually silent.


I predict a verbal riot.

KF is too busy for a verbal riot right now - LYO's comment has been disapparated.

Edit: Sorry, it's still there; I got it mixed up with a similar comment he made elsewhere. However, his answer is lovely:
Quote
TA: Pardon, I raised a serious disciplinary matter. KF


Uh-oh, this is a case for Mr Leathers.



Date: 2012/07/18 04:33:21, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Yeah, stay away and see if we don't gossip about you in your absence.   ;-)

Date: 2012/07/18 14:41:39, Link
Author: Kattarina98
In the nick of time before records and the processing machine landed on the dumpster!

Date: 2012/07/19 06:28:34, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 18 2012,13:00)
My comment here:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012.......91.html

   
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John West - you say "...Snarky comments about people's motives (or false claims about ENV's moderation policies) are not appropriate...".

Why then does the article lead off with "The media that loyally serve Big Science are at it again, overstating the finds of a scientific paper to promote an evolutionary icon."?

Thanks,

Rich


Let's see if it makes it through.

It did.

Obviously, Luskin doesn't even pretend to do some ID argumentation anymore; it's plain old-fashioned creationism: Birds say "We are no stinkin' dinosaurs."

The first commenter points out a quotemine - well done, Casey!
And then Diogenes shreds Casey to bits.

Date: 2012/07/19 10:07:57, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (NormOlsen @ July 19 2012,09:48)
Gil, tell us again how clever you were as a child:
 
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During the summer between my sixth- and seventh-grade education in public school, I became enamored with Greek mythology, and read the great classic, Edith Hamilton’s Mythology. When I entered seventh grade, on the first day of school, our English teacher asked us what books we had read over the summer. I responded with Edith Hamilton’s classic.


That's right, Edith Hamilton's classic, IN SEVENTH GRADE!  And the teacher was all like "Oh Gil you are ever so clever!  I do declare you'll one day be famous rocket scientist and frilly concert pianist!"

Gill as a child:


And the rest of us:

It should be incorporated into the Dodgenator: "4. I was a child prodigy"

Edit: Link fixed



Date: 2012/07/20 09:21:29, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Steve reminds Paul McBride not to criticise his betters.
     
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What is amusing is that people like Paul really believe they need to educate scientists like Gauger and Axe. The reality is both these scientists know all too well what evolutionists claim. that is why they are well equipped to test those claims in the lab and find them wanting.


My bolding

Their lab



ETA: After it has been shown all over the internet that this booklet consists of pseudoscience bolstered with quote-mines from dated publications, does he still believe that there was any lab research involved?



Date: 2012/07/21 04:18:46, Link
Author: Kattarina98
Quote (BillB @ July 21 2012,01:45)
Anyone care to place bets on whick UD regular will be first to blame the cinema shootings on Darwin?

It will be someone who can write a nice No True Scotsman script accounting for the fact that the shooter was a churchgoing Christian. So my bet is on KF.

ETA: I feel deeply sorry for the victims and their friends and families.



Date: 2012/07/21 14:11:14, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I always thought scientists are the girls and guys who do research in the lab or in the field or do really difficult stuff with computers. However, says KF:
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Pardon, but could you address the pivotal question for us scientist types ...

Date: 2012/07/22 06:42:06, Link
Author: Kattarina98
I guess right now Jon Garvey is feeling like a lesbian or gay teenager whose parents have finally allowed them to participate in a Christopher Street Day parade.