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Date: 2003/04/09 08:28:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
The fact he thinks so highly of the Anthropic Principle speaks volumes.  

KC

Date: 2005/02/06 10:58:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
Say, don't they have sophisticated linguistic analysis to figure out who the sockpuppets are?

:D

KC

Date: 2006/08/21 09:31:07, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Afterwards, in private, Steve Meyer kept repeating Miller's pompous declaration with a heavy German accent, sounding for all the world like Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's propaganda chief.


Too bad Himmler wasn't Hitler's propaganda chief. Goebbels was.

KC



Date: 2007/06/23 06:07:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
GilDodgen notes:      
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Another enigma about the development of life: A single cell divides into two identical cells, which divide into four, etc. How do the cells, since they are identical copies of the original cell, know when and how to differentiate? Where does this information come from?



Wow, this reminds me of that old joke about the thermos being the greatest invention in the world, because it keeps hot things hot and cold things cold. How does it know?

Date: 2007/06/23 07:56:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
As far as ESB's go, I prefer Fuller's over Red Hook.

I did get to try a nice beer at the Bonnaroo Music festival last week. It's a Vermont brew called Magic Hat. My daughter, who goes to school in Vermont, had been telling me about it, but it's not distributed here in Missouri. So I grabbed the chance at the beer table at the festival. Very, very, nice and refreshing.

Date: 2007/07/09 06:46:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Plan 9 From Outer Space

Hands down. This has everything: cheesy effects, aliens, vampires, Bela Lugosi, incredibly bad dialogue ("The sheriff's been murdered! Well, one thing's for sure--someone's responsible!"). And it was directed by Ed Wood.

My favorite scene is when a character walks down his driveway to get in his car. Unfortunately, the driver's side was against a backdrop, so the actor had to get in his car from the passenger side.

Date: 2008/01/10 17:50:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Spinning:



Played on:

Linn Sondek LP12 Turntable

 :)

Date: 2008/01/10 22:35:05, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 10 2008,18:17)

I've been getting into The Nice again lately. This particular album has 'My Back Pages", "Hang on to a Dream", and a great live version of "America", which ends suddenly after a wild cacaphony of sound, and leaves the audience stunned and in silence for a few seconds.

Date: 2008/01/11 15:25:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
Two wonderful comedies:

High Fidelity

Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels

Date: 2008/01/12 23:59:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'm about half-way through Thomas Pynchon's new novel  Against the Day.

Huge, hilarious, strange. Just as I like it.

Date: 2008/07/21 18:51:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
My youngest daughter goes to Warren Wilson College, near Asheville NC. I drove her back to NC after Christmas break, just in time for us to catch Richard Thompson and his 1000 Years of Popular Music show at the Orange Peel (great venue).  

The show is a treat. In fact, any Richard Thompson show (acoustic solo or with his electric band) is worth seeing.

Date: 2008/07/27 19:12:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (keiths @ July 09 2008,22:52)
She also considers herself an expert in consciousness studies, with predictable results.

 
Not to mention being a science journalist for 20 years, which of course also makes her an expert in mammalogy and primate vision.

KC



Date: 2008/08/25 13:05:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote

What do you think about WWC?  Does she enjoy it?


Warren Wilson is an excellent fit for her. Unlike her older sister, who is intense and driven (and found Bennington College a wonderful fit for her personality), Claire is laid back but accomplished. The school emphasizes academics, work (every student must have an on-campus job--that keeps the tuition 'reasonable'), and service (every student must complete a community service requirement before graduating). It tends to attract very liberal students interested in things like conservation, self-sufficiency (the school maintains a farm and raises much of its own meat and vegetables, and many students work it), international aid and activism of various kinds. So it isn't for everybody. The Sierra Club rated it number 3 in their list of "10 Coolest Colleges", but WWC also ranked number 2 in 'Reefer Madness" in the Princeton Review, LOL.

The campus is nestled in the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains, and is just beautiful. Claire's starting her second year there, and loves it.

KC



Date: 2008/08/28 16:26:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Nowers believes that microevolution should not be brought up at all because that is fact.


LOL

KC

Date: 2008/09/03 15:07:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Rather, ID predicts function because the basis for ID's predictions is observations of how intelligent agents design things, and intelligent agents tend to design objects that perform some kind of function.


So..what's the function of the human chin again?

Date: 2008/10/22 10:04:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dheddle @ Oct. 21 2008,19:20)
   
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,18:28)
         
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10 October 2008
The Messiah is Absolutely Speaking
DaveScot



The only people I've heard refer to Obama as some kind of religious object of worship are Davescot, Louis Farrakhan, and Dave Heddle.

Hmm. I can think of two reasons.

1) We are the only three people creeped out by the video I linked to. Or this one.  Or this one.


That last video was a recording of a simple middle school stepline routine. Steplines are a popular activity among African American students (especially in college), and in no way militant or creepy. And what were these kids talking about? Being inspired to become doctors and lawyers and stuff. Anyone creeped out by that needs to put on some pants and get out of their mom's basement every now and then.

KC

Date: 2008/10/22 11:02:00, Link
Author: KCdgw
Heddle writes:

 
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A group of teenagers in military garb, expressing fealty to McCain while engaged in close order drill, would, I'm sure, generate from you the same nonchalant response.


It's a stepline, as I said. Paint it as scary as you like, but to anyone familiar with steplines, its no scarier (and profoundly more informed) than this pro McCain school video.

KC

Date: 2008/10/22 12:58:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dheddle @ Oct. 22 2008,12:39)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 22 2008,12:22)
Will White People Riot if Obama Wins?

Of course, some have promised a race war if Obama loses.


If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

No fear mongering here. Please move along.

As Chris "X" Rock said to Bill Maher, if Obama loses, then on the Wednesday following the election, if anyone has a planned activity involving black people, then it isn't going to get done.

KC

Date: 2008/10/24 08:08:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Found quoted on UD:

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"The only thing that gets in the way of my learning is my education.”

-Albert Einstein



It never ceases to amuse me how the IDers quote Einstein and somehow think what he said about himself also applies to them.

KC

Date: 2008/10/26 07:11:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
A couple of things. First of all, the fruit flies in question are not in the genus Drosophila, but in the genus Bactrocera.  Nevertheless, they are a serious pest, threatening the growing olive industry in California. Secondly, I find it weird that a Republican candidate should proclaim research on pests threatening business  as not being in the public good.



Date: 2008/11/04 12:03:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 03 2008,06:56)
What is everyone's Libation / Libation & Food Creation Of Choice to properly celebrate Tuesday Night?

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What is everyone's Libation / Libation & Food Creation Of Choice to properly celebrate Tuesday Night


Karl Marx was known to enjoy a few beers, so I'll be pallin' around with a few pints myself.

Date: 2008/11/06 08:19:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 05 2008,23:46)
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d....ou.html

Fox News's Shep Smith: "How could they end up with a running mate who doesn't know that Africa is a continent?"


Color me naive, but I have a hard time believing this is actually true.



Date: 2008/11/26 15:07:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 26 2008,08:28)
Retired non-moderator Dave steps in and moderates.  I knew this couldn't last.


 
How can we ever miss Dave if he won't go away?

KC



Date: 2009/01/02 13:59:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Buy a book before the Thought Police discover it and close down this site.


Lastly these thoughts are my own and are not endorsed by any university or scientific program.  I have been dismissed as an engineer looking for ether but I have proven my case here.



Wow.

KC

Date: 2009/01/04 15:31:51, Link
Author: KCdgw
From Joy:

Quote
Unicycles have no "function," they exist purely for entertainment/stunt purposes - though they do qualify as machines. They are NOT useful in any other application, including the primary function of all other wheeled vehicles (such as a bicycle), which is getting a person/load from point A to point B with a minimum of effort. A ball has no "function," though humans use them as toys, for exercise, to juggle (entertainment), for sports and games.


LOL.

KC

Date: 2009/01/05 08:37:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 05 2009,02:46)
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 04 2009,21:53)
       
Quote (khan @ Jan. 04 2009,21:38)
       
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 04 2009,21:30)
         
Quote (khan @ Jan. 04 2009,20:54)
Is that supposed to mean something?

I was referencing the last bit of entardument Zachriel quotes here.

Can't tell the actual from the mocking thereof.

No, you can't. There's no real difference between those two examples. Gil doesn't seem to understand the nature of simulation itself. You can simulate wind flows without putting the computer in a wind tunnel. You can simulate volcanic activity without exposing the circuitry to magma. The whole point of simulation is that you can use a layer of abstraction instead of the thing itself. You don't have to throw actual water on a computer to simulate a flood. It's a simulation, not a recreation. Gil's misunderstanding the very notion of simulation, true to form. IDers misunderstand every scientific field they babble about.

Those two threads -- the [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/a-realistic-computational-simulation-of-random-mutation-filtered-by-natural-selection-in-b


iology/]original[/URL] and the follow-on -- are the perfect introduction to the trainwreck that is UD.

You have:

1) GilDo and DaveTard displaying utter ignorance of a field in which they both claim expertise;
2) an almost universal inability among the ID supporters to think abstractly;
3) their repeated refusal to listen to commenters who actually know what they're talking about;
4) several John A. Davison rants;
5) an actual prayer, followed by a theological debate;
6) deleted comments;
7) a pathetic attempt by Gil, three days after the fact, to pretend that his original post was just a joke;
8) some bold-font moderator chest-thumping (by Scott);
9) DaveTard misunderstanding the concept of irreducible complexity, and being corrected by an ID critic;
10) banninations of Tom English, Reciprocating Bill and me (posting as Karl Pfluger) for exposing DaveTard's chumpitude; and
11) DaveTard frantically defending himself as he is mocked by the good folks at AtBC.

It is a true tard extravaganza, lacking only a WAD meltdown and some O'Learian pseudoprose.

Some have begun to question the nutritional content of recent tard lately. As keiths has shown, nutritional tard is still being generated. However, even fossilized tard can be surprisingly satisfying. Consider this find on ARN, gloriously preserved in amber, and still savory after repeated rumination. TT regulars Vividbleau and Joy figure prominently.

KC

Date: 2009/01/05 11:46:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
My goodness-- I missed this the first time.

DaveScot:

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Avida DID NOT generate IC. Because of the way Avida operates every structure it produces is by definition not IC because it was generated by stepwise path.


So...IC is defined by how it comes about, not by what it is. Right.

KC

Date: 2009/01/06 11:03:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 06 2009,10:48)
Denyse O'Leary, master of self-awareness:
 
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A couple of years ago, after I had been following the controversy for several years, I found myself listening to a long lecture by a Darwinist, replete with bafflegab and pretty lame examples. Finally, sensing (correctly) that I was unconvinced, he proclaimed to me, “You just don’t understand how natural selection works, do you?”

And suddenly, the penny dropped. What he meant was that I just don’t believe in magic. I can’t make myself believe in magic; I haven’t been able to since I was a child. And I was no longer going to give the matter any attention. What I really wanted to know then and now is  - how magic became so important a principle in science?

And she's a Judith Hooper fan. Enough said.

KC

Date: 2009/01/07 05:52:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
An Englishman applying for a visa to Australia was asked if he had a criminal record. "My Goodness", he replied, "Is that still a requirement?"

KC



Date: 2009/01/15 12:01:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
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I partly agree with SD (if for nothing else, concern trolling a known concern troll = lulz). Being a former "fundie" (Southern Baptist, literalist) I find most creationists infuriating. I took a step back and tried to analyze why I take it so personally. Mostly it's because I detest con men and snake oil salesmen but I think it's also partly because I'm embarrassed to have been one of them.


The capacity for embarrassment is one of the first signs of recovery. Shame comes next.

KC



Date: 2009/01/16 10:29:45, Link
Author: KCdgw
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#3.  It's a Big Tent, so don't ask questions.


Unspoken subcorollary to #3: Once the ID movement is in power, the Catholic and Moonie Iders will be the first put up against a wall.

KC

Date: 2009/01/23 13:02:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
Don't forget Tightwad, MO

KC

Date: 2009/01/27 06:12:01, Link
Author: KCdgw
[quote=nuytsia,Jan. 27 2009,02:27]  
Quote (keiths @ Jan. 26 2009,15:47)
In its first 30 seconds, the video du jour on the UD homepage manages to misattribute a famous Richard Dawkins quote to Charles Darwin.

Idiots.


I loved Jonathan Wells saying "when I look at the evidence objectively". Of course, that was just a hypothetical on his part.

KC



Date: 2009/01/29 08:20:06, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 29 2009,00:32)
Seriously, if anyone knows where the 5 o'clock thing came from, please let us know.


It's probably from the traditional 9-5 workday.  5PM is also probably when many 'Happy Hours' begin. I wait until the sun is over the yardarm myself.

KC

Date: 2009/02/03 09:22:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe has reinfected ARN again. What an ignorant ass.

KC

Date: 2009/02/03 09:23:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 03 2009,09:22)
Joe has reinfected ARN again. What an ignorant ass.

KC

I just realized how "Dog Bites Man" that was. Sorry. Carry on.

KC

Date: 2009/02/03 10:59:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
Another Joe G gem for those without sigs:

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I know all about the ToE. If I lack any knowledge of the ToE it is because evos have not put in in a book or peer-reviewed paper


KC

Date: 2009/02/03 16:03:17, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 05 2008,08:34)
 
Quote (slpage @ Aug. 05 2008,07:40)
     
Quote (dogdidit @ July 24 2008,07:49)
The End of Days. Apocalypse. Supper's Ready (for you aging Genesis fans).

Well, I'm not that aging, but I saw them in Albany last September.  I had to sit throught their post-1980 top-40 garbage, but the handful of old gems they played - anad played well - was worth it.
It killed me to see hundreds of thirty-somethings get up and leave during their last encore song - the Carpet Crawlers...
Losers...

A fan? Cool!! Pre- or post-Gabriel departure? :)

I first saw them at the Whiskey-a-Go-Go in Hollywood is nineteen-mumbledy-something. Peter Gabriel in a giant tetrahedral papier-mache head, bouncing around to Apocalypse in 9/8 time. I was so-o-o-o-o-o stoned.

I saw them for the first time at the Santa Monica Civic, 1973, Selling England By the Pound tour with Gabriel. Fabulous.

The best post-Gabriel show for me was Berkeley Community Theatre, ~1976. They had King Crimson's Bill Bruford on drums. The drum duels between Bruford and Collins on the instrumental parts of  "The Cinema Show"  and "Supper's Ready" brought down the house.  

KC



Date: 2009/02/04 12:40:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
[quote=Venus Mousetrap,Feb. 04 2009,11:35][/quote]
Quote

I've been following the evolution/ID wars for about four years, but I've not seen anyone offer any kind of mathematical evidence that natural selection is doing the job. We get evidence for evolution itself - that's easy, fossils, tree of life, etc - but it seems like people just assume natural selection is doing the job of changing one species into another.


A very good review of this subject can be found
here.

Coyne JA and HA Orr (1998). The evolutionary genetics of speciation.  Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B 353: 287-305.

KC

Date: 2009/02/04 13:20:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
As for alchohol, babies fit nicely (for awhile) over one forearm,  freeing up the other hand for holding beer.

KC



Date: 2009/02/04 16:38:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 04 2009,16:21)
Congrats, Louis and Mrs. Louis (odd name, that).

Here is your future.


Now that's intelligent design.

KC

Date: 2009/02/05 10:56:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Badger3k @ Feb. 05 2009,10:49)

Do you walk to school or carry your lunch?

What's the difference between a hard-boiled egg?

I know you can!


KC

Date: 2009/02/05 11:46:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 05 2009,10:59)
Underwhelming Evidence

I absolutely love visiting OE!  If you take a look at the "Recent" Comments section you will see that the last 10 comments go back 12 weeks.  Soon, they will have achieved the watershed mark of averaging 1 comment per week.

I don't think this is what Al Gore had in mind when he invented the Intertubes.

Underwhelming Evidence

edited for clarity

I like this one:  

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Students! Make a vid and win Ben Stein's money


Assuming Stein followed his own economic advice, does he have any money left?

KC

Date: 2009/02/05 15:15:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
And don't forget to read  Goodnight Moon to the little ankle biter when old enough. And  The Wind in the Willows later. Its a great way to drain away your own stress.

KC

Date: 2009/02/05 16:04:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 05 2009,15:40)
Quote (KCdgw @ Feb. 05 2009,15:15)
And don't forget to read  Goodnight Moon to the little ankle biter when old enough. And  The Wind in the Willows later. Its a great way to drain away your own stress.

KC

good night moon.  good night mouse.  good night little old bunny rabbit mamaw sitting in the rocking chair.

Erasmus 2.0 has a thing for the moon.  it was one of the first words he learned and he is always drawing moons and talking about them.  If you ask him where the moon goes he`ll say "Behind the Earf!"  Not sure if he knows what that means but he also says it for the sun.  I'm comfortable with that level of explanation for now.  I considered telling him that Jesus steals it every night, just to get a rise out of his granny.  decided to save that one for later.  it's not hard to get her riled up anyhoo.

Both my daughters loved playing the game of finding the mouse in every picture. I enjoyed the soothing rhythm  of the text, a prose lullaby. Which was fortunate, since there was a local ordinance against me singing anything.  

KC

Date: 2009/02/06 14:59:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
The Firesign Theatre had a great creation myth (and subsequent scientific explanation):

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“Before the beginning, there was this turtle. And the turtle was alone. And he looked around. And he saw his neighbor, which was his mother, and he lay down on top of his neighbor, and behold, she bore him in tears an oak tree, which grew all day, and then fell over, like a bridge. And lo, under the bridge there came a catfish, and he was very big, and he was walking, and he was the biggest he had seen. And so, with the firey balls of this fish, one of which is the sun, and the other, they called the moon.”

Yes, some uncomplicated peoples still believe this myth. But here in the technical vastness of The Future, we can guess that surely, the past was very different. We know for certain, for instance, that for some reason, for some time in the beginning, there were hot lumps. Cold and lonely, they whirled noiselessly through the black holes of space.

These insignificant lumps came together to form the first union, our sun, the heating system. And about this glowing gas bag, rotated the Earth, a cat’s eye among aggies, blinking in astonishment across the face of time.

Well, we were covered with a molten scum of rocks, bobbing on the surface like rats. Later, when there was less heat, these giant rock groups settled down among the land masses. During this extinct time, our Earth was like a steam room, and no one, not even man, could get in. However, the oceans and the sewers were simmering with a rich protein stew, and the mountains moved in to surround and protect them. They didn’t know then that living as we know it was already taking over.

Animals without backbones hid from each other, or fell down. Clamosaurs and oysterettes appeared as appetizers. Then came the sponges, which sucked up about 10% of all life. Hundreds of years later, in the Late Devouring Period, fish became obnoxious. Trailerbites, chiggerbites, and muskquitoes collided aimlessly in the dense gas. Finally, tiny, edible plants sprang up in rows, giving birth to generations of insecticides and other small, dying creatures.

Millions of months passed, and, 28 days later, the moon appeared. This small change was reflected best, perhaps, in the sand dollar, which shrank to almost nothing at the bottom of the pool, where even dumb amphibians like catfish laid their eggs in the boiling waters, only to be gobbled up every three minutes by the giant sea orphans and jungle bunnies, which scared everybody. And so, IN FEAR AND HOT WATER, MAN IS BORN!!!



KC

Date: 2009/02/06 15:33:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
I like your story, Shroedinger. It's just obviously superstition. For any creation story to be taken seriously, there has to be a turtle in it somewhere.

KC

Date: 2009/02/09 11:05:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
David DeWolf: “[W]hen we go to Mt. Rushmore we immediately recognise that what ppear to be the faces of the Presidents are not the product fo the random forces of erosion and rockslide” (DeWolf 1999). However, it is not science but ID that is caught in this landslide. This is a faulty analogy, for it is missing the key (non-random) process of natural selection. Moreover, the positive inference that we make that someone carved the faces on the mountain is a perfectly natural one. The Mount Rushmore case is a particularly poor example of ID, if only because it is so unlike cases of biological complexity…


Ok...then what about this:






KC

Date: 2009/02/09 14:12:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (JLT @ Feb. 09 2009,14:00)
Quote
Fuller:
vjtorley said that it will take 200 years to overturn whatever atheist/naturalist/Darwinist orthodoxy exists today.

This is much too pessimistic. Maybe 500 years ago it was appropriate to measure large-scale intellectual change in terms of centuries. This is no longer the case. I point to several factors:
[SNIP]
(4) Natural science itself is increasingly forced to justify itself in cost-benefit terms, both practically and theoretically. It is thus becoming more respectable for people to demand a science that is relevant to their lives and at least does not alienate them.


And that's supposed to be a good thing??????*
That's the complete opposite of academic freedom, you hypocritical twit.



*I know, I know: multiple punctuation marks = you're wearing your underwear on your head. But sometimes you just have to do it (the punctuation marks. NOT the underwear. I swear.)

So science is only good if it doesn't spook the herd. Got it.

KC

Date: 2009/02/11 12:09:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
[quote=Marion Delgado,Feb. 06 2009,22:34]
Quote
I used to wonder what it would be like if FTK and DaveScott had a baby.


Surely there are more wholesome things to wonder about.

KC

Date: 2009/02/12 05:49:13, Link
Author: KCdgw


KC

Date: 2009/02/13 15:05:39, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
There's gotta be some kind of explanation for the rampant delusions among UD members. Is it DaveTard raising psilocybin mushrooms of previously-unheard- of potency? Are they mailing some hallucinogenic toad back and forth between themselves and taking licks? WTF?


It's massive snootfuls of Teh Stoopid.

KC

Date: 2009/02/13 22:35:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
This is one of Joe's more recent gems from ARN:

 
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I know all about the ToE. If I lack any knowledge of the ToE it is because evos have not put in in a book or peer-reviewed paper


Yeah. That's it, alright.

KC



Date: 2009/02/14 12:47:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 14 2009,09:53)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 13 2009,22:18)
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 13 2009,12:58)
Ptaylor - You WIN THE INTERTUBES TODAY!

Your stunning scientific hypothesis is proven out and validated.



Joe Volunteers

Thank you for this honour.

I noticed quite a long time ago that Joe has - might I say - an elevated estimation of his abilities. This little comment two and a half years ago was telling:
     
Quote
To this day I kick myself for not going to the “Kitzmiller” fiasco…

Eric Rothschild and Stephen Harvey vs. Joe?

Didn't he notice what they did to Buckingham and Bonsell on the stand, not to mention Behe and Minnich?

All Joe has ever read of the trial is the DI's version of it.

KC

Date: 2009/02/19 11:04:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
Stephenb:

 
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If, for example, God exists (is) then clearly we “ought to” worship him




A certain fallen angel sez, ORLY?



KC



Date: 2009/02/20 10:25:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (franky172 @ Feb. 20 2009,09:28)
DaveScot wants us all to look at something and say that it exhibits "CSI", when in reality, it exibits "Looks like a city"-ness.

Dave, please tell us you have something better than that.  

Or explain to me how you integrated over the uncertainty of functionally equivalent spaces to come to your CSI calculation.  Otherwise I have a tip for you - you didn't use the explanatory filter - you used the "It looks like something I've seen before" pattern recognition approach.  Even if Dembski wants you to think you're calculating CSI, or FCSI, or whatever the new code word of the day is, you're not.

Measure this, Dave:



KC

Date: 2009/02/20 13:41:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 20 2009,12:55)
Quote
Measure this, Dave:


Are you going to tell us the name of that formation, or is some service required first?

I'm not sure if the formation itself has a name, but it's in Kodachrome Basin State Park, in Utah. Here's a look from another angle:




KC

Date: 2009/02/23 09:27:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
I love this challenge:

"Please show how evolution can be falsified. But don't use common descent because..well...that answers our challenge and we can't have that. Pick something else".

They are like Qaddafi drawing the Line of Death in the Gulf of Sidra: "Cross this, I dare ya! Oh. You crossed it. Ok...now cross this! I double dare ya!"

It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

KC

Date: 2009/02/26 13:37:07, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 26 2009,13:26)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 26 2009,13:15)
 
Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 26 2009,12:00)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 26 2009,07:46)
Carlson, remind me never to bring the hawks to your place.

In my defense, the poison is not left on the surface. I have far too many domestic and non-destructive wild animals to ever do that.  It is put into the den underground and it is supposed to work quickly after ingested.  

Are hawks carrion eaters?

Yes, many hawks will scavenge carcasses, especially during winter.

Ahh, okay.  I guess I need to limit my gopher eradication program to summer and take care to get rid of any bodies found on the surface.  No problem. It will take longer that way, as I have alot of activity, but that is okay. I always figured it would be an ongoing project.

Or use gopher traps.

KC

Date: 2009/02/27 12:21:32, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Gunthernacus @ Feb. 27 2009,11:52)
I have a laymen's question about publishing:  If you submit a work to be published, and it gets rejected - for whatever reason - are the notes from the reviewer(s) or the rejection letter protected in some way?

I know the IDers can't/won't/don't publish in their own journals, but why don't they put their work up somewhere and include the rejection letter or whatever mean, nasty notes they've gotten to show how they are not treated fairly?  I'm sure someone like Bill O'Reilly would give nation-wide airtime every day to expose this kind of injustice.  Hell, maybe even a feature-length documentary profiling those poor souls who have been unfairly barred from the academic process?

I believe the judge in the Creationism trial in Arkansas in the 1980's asked the plaintiffs to produce such rejection letters. They couldn't come up with even one.

And yes, a letter is sent.

KC



Date: 2009/02/27 13:09:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 27 2009,12:25)
Quote

I believe the judge in the Creationism trial in Arkansas in the 1980's asked the plaintiffs defense to produce such rejection letters. They couldn't come up with even one.


Fixed it for you.

McLean Documentation Project

Thanks.

KC

Date: 2009/02/27 13:11:23, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
That may not mean they hadn't tried to publish. It may just mean the rejection letters were too embarrassing.



In my naivete, I never considered that. LOL

KC

Date: 2009/02/28 05:35:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Atom:

Quote
Have these people ever driven through the US Southwest?


Have these people any concept of the carrying capacity of an environment?

This is the baklava of tard.

KC

Date: 2009/03/16 08:59:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
Another late entry, with apologies to Stephen Crane:

I saw a tard pursuing Darwin's racism;
Round and round they sped.
I was disturbed at this;
I accosted the tard.
"It is futile," I said,
"You can never -- "
"You lie," he cried,
And ran on.


KC

Date: 2009/03/20 10:03:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 19 2009,18:57)
Quote (Ra-Úl @ Mar. 19 2009,18:39)
 
Quote (Hermagoras @ Mar. 19 2009,16:18)
I've been commenting at UD (I'm kellogg) but I've got to pull back.  It is fucking depressing to try and engage in civil conversation with the regulars there. Not kairosfocus, he's just kind of fun, or joseph, who is a baby/bully, but the seemingly more civil folks who turn out to be full of ID marshmallow fluff.  They are like the big snot monster that attacks a city (I forget which) in the opening page of Gravity's Rainbow.  Talk is impossible, because they'll suck you up. Talk injures my (material) soul.

Adenoid Monster. London. Apparently Lord Blatherard Osmo's adenoid. I worry that I know this. OK, I don't.

Thank you!  It's been a while.  

Everybody should read that book.   Don't despair if the coprophagia scene at about page 300 is too disgusting for words.  It's still a fantastic book, and as an aside, you learn a whole bunch of weird detail about the history of the German dye industry and its relation to the re-militarization of the German economy in the 20s and 30s.  Plus, rockets and erections!  Also, a scene involving British candies that's almost as disgusting as the shit-eating episode.

Pynchon rocks.

KC

Date: 2009/03/23 08:46:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'll give you a list of those you must ban,
All must be banned with their children
Carry their posts to the palace of old
Hang them high let the tard flow.  





KC

Date: 2009/03/25 08:21:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
The Pentangle, Sweet Child.

KC

Date: 2009/03/25 11:20:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
The Motels, "Mission of Mercy"

Date: 2009/03/25 11:23:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
I'll say Hendrix and the Byrds do great versions.  On A Nod to Bob, I like the Eliza Gilkyson version of Love Minus Zero/No Limit, and the Rambling Jack Elliott Don't Think Twice, but Martin Simpson's cover of Boots of Spanish Leather -- my god, how many ways can you ruin a song?  


Joan Baez's version of "Boots of Spanish Leather" is another disaster. But her versions of "Love is Just a Four Letter Word" and "Love Minus Zero/No Limit" are beautiful.

KC

Date: 2009/03/25 12:54:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Ra-Úl @ Mar. 25 2009,12:24)
Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 25 2009,08:21)
The Pentangle, Sweet Child.

KC

Pentangle, Basket of Light for Jacqui's most exquisit singing.

I love both albums.

KC

Date: 2009/03/26 10:20:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 26 2009,09:38)
Interlibrary loan works. I requested "The Biotic Message", and got Notre Dame University's copy. I was the first person to check it out from them, too...

ETA: Later on, I found a used signed copy of "The Biotic Message" that I added to my collection of religious antievolution literature. I also have a copy of "The Genesis Flood" signed by Whitcomb.

I read ReMine's chapter on Haldane's Dilemma and his paper on  "Cost Theory" which he tried to publish in  The Journal of Theoretical Biology, but got frustrated when the reviewers failed to see how it contributed anything to what was already known, and ended up publishing in ICR's Technical Journal. I think it's no more than a trivial exercise in algebra.

KC

Date: 2009/03/27 17:07:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 27 2009,17:01)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 27 2009,15:28)
Poor Cakeboy! Normally I'd feel bad, but he deserves it.

He didn't get it anyway, probably because he doesn't.

What a frakking maroon.

KC

Date: 2009/03/31 11:09:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Thus, as time has passed, the age of the Earth and Universe has increased. Now, I wouldn’t claim that this is completely without evidence, but it is based on a number of assumptions. I won’t get into that here, as I’ve talked about it previously.(1)


Deep thinker, this guy.

KC

Date: 2009/04/01 15:07:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Tom Ames @ April 01 2009,14:00)
Quote (JohnW @ April 01 2009,11:31)
 
Quote (Lowell @ April 01 2009,11:22)
Is Joseph really such a dumbass that he can't just Google the term before making such a fool of himself?

He's a UD cheerleader.  Does that answer your question?

Joseph needs to be told "let me google that for you".

You can google for him. The only thing you can't do, and the only thing that will work with Joe, is understand it for him.

KC



Date: 2009/04/01 15:09:35, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 01 2009,11:09)
Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 29 2009,00:38)
FYI,

I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks.

It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention.

The relevant question for Joe G. is the information content of a box of rocks.

Or a bag of rock hammers.

KC

Date: 2009/04/02 16:24:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
jerry:

Quote
Gould’s gradualism is not changes to the current species by small changes in the allele frequency of a population but rather changes that happen out of sight in unused parts of the genome. A very small number of these changes suddenly become functional and this is when a new species or genera are born. This is the essence of punctuated equilibrium.


No it isn't. Another ignoramus who thinks he 'gets' punk eek. What is it about punk eek that compels people who don't understand it to pontificate on it so?

KC

Date: 2009/04/03 11:17:34, Link
Author: KCdgw
O'Leary's post about Niko Tinbergen is unbelievable.  She completely misses the part of the article that says the Dutch researchers trying to replicate his work on gulls found that his basic conclusion was correct. Sheesh.

KC

Date: 2009/04/04 07:35:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Remind me why Denyse O'leary is called a "journalist":

Quote
Tribune7, H.G. Wells is probably “most famous for his radio drama, War of the Worlds.” Maybe he, you, and I would all wish it were otherwise, but it is a fact. I didn’t invent it, honest.



Sorry if this has been pointed out before, but I think it undescores just how incompetent she is.  Methinks she assumes if Microsoft Word doesn't catch the error, then she got it right.

KC

Date: 2009/04/04 19:00:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 03 2009,11:30)
Quote (KCdgw @ April 03 2009,11:17)
O'Leary's post about Niko Tinbergen is unbelievable.  She completely misses the part of the article that says the Dutch researchers trying to replicate his work on gulls found that his basic conclusion was correct. Sheesh.

KC

I pointed that out in the first thread, and I've submitted a similar comment (moderated, of course) to the new one.

My comments were finally released-- they're the ones right before yours.

KC

Date: 2009/04/05 14:58:49, Link
Author: KCdgw
NSM:    
Quote
@ Dave Wisker
I always find it amusing whenever Majerus is mentioned with regards to peppered moths. I also love this quintessential Darwinian quote from Majerus:
“It is not my place to tell people what to believe. But I know that we are making a horrendous mess of
this planet, and I do not have faith in some supernatural intervention putting it right: No second coming; No helping hand from on high; No last minute redemption.”
What was the title of this lecture?
“The Peppered Moth: The Proof of Darwinian Evolution”
Ah. That explains a lot, don’t you think? Any person who goes from
1) It turns out the Peppered Myth is true!
to
2) There is no Jesus!
Should be a highly questionable source of information.
Here Wells speaks about Majerus’ findings:
http://www.discovery.org/a/4198


Just for posterity, in case my reply never makes it out of moderation:

   
Quote
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Hi NSM.,
I always find it far more amusing when people swallow Jonathan Wells’s writings uncritically. For example, in the the article you linked to, Wells wrote:
 
Quote
Majerus concludes: “While the results may be somewhat biased towards lower parts of the tree, due to sampling technique, I believe that they give the best field evidence that we have to date of where peppered moths spend the day.”22
What’s wrong with this picture?
In the seven years during which Majerus was peering out his window, far more than 135 peppered moths visited his back yard, but (as previous research showed) he couldn’t see most of them because they were resting high in the upper branches of his trees. Those he could see from the ground represented only a tiny fraction of the total.

Unfortunately, Wells (who, by the way, has never done ecological fieldwork in his life, and has never worked with the Peppered Moth), assumed Majerus’s dataset of 135 moths was assembled from observations taken on the ground. Where did he get this information? From Majerus’s published work? No—Wells got it from a newspaper article (see his footnote 21)!
Looking at the actual paper summarizing the research, Majerus wrote (my emphasis):
 
Quote
The largest data set of peppered moths found in the wild was accumulated during a predation experiment that involved researchers climbing trees at dusk and dawn during the flight season of the moth (May to August) over 6 years. Of 135 peppered moths found, 50% were on horizontal branches (Fig. 4), 37% on trunks (Fig. 5), and 13% were on smaller twigs or in foliage (Majerus 2007).


http://www.springerlink.com/co.....ltext.html

That makes Wells’s article a highly questionable source of information



KC

Date: 2009/04/05 17:34:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
The producers of Expelled: Logan Craft, Walter Ruloff, and John Sullivan, are also among the Five Most Irrational People of 2008. And by golly that's saying something.
ETA - I know they're the same thing, it just struck me funny. Are the producers each 1/3 of a person? Why not?  



Ethically, each is far less than even that.

KC

Date: 2009/04/09 06:23:56, Link
Author: KCdgw
Since when did GK Chesterton become a great philosopher?

KC

Date: 2009/04/18 18:22:09, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 18 2009,18:00)
Quote (olegt @ April 18 2009,17:23)
dvunkannon,

Nakashima is awesum.

Nakashima raises his sake cup in response, sir. You are too kind.

And if anyone would like to respond seriously to N-san's thoughts on macro-evolution on the Texas Chainsaw School Board thread, he would be honored.

ink-lay
 
Quote
Mr Jerry,

I am also very interested in discussing macro-evolution. However, I think it would be more useful to avoid confrontation and hyperbole to advance that discussion.

Here are some of my initial thoughts on the subject. I freely admit that I have not thought about this subject as long as some others, and certainly don’t know the literature completely.

The operators of micro-evolution, i.e. variation, selection, time, and scarcity, are insufficient to explain the diversity of life. To explain this diversity we must appeal to other historical and ecological concepts, and see how they push or pull the micro-evolutionary engine in certain directions.

Part of the historical context includes
- the distance of the earth from the sun
- changing solar radiation
- plate tectonics
- axial tilt
- existence of the moon (tides)

I believe the last three are very important to understanding macro-evolution. What this adds to micro-evolution is a distribution in space as well as time, and a dynamism to that distribution which helps keep life from falling into a stable equilibrium.

The other major context is ecology, the recognition that other life forms a significant part of the environment.
- competitors for resources
- source of energy and organic chemicals
- source of information
- source of niche (Co-evolution)

Even more than the dynamic physical environment, the dynamic ecological environment drove macro-evolution.

In outline, these are the things that I think have operated historically, and operate today, to drive macro-evolution. To these could be added very basic issues of physics such as the cube square law and the properties of materials that form fundamental constraints on variation.

Micro-evolution itself does not predict the tension between reproductive success from isolation (not having to share resources) and reporductive success from closeness (neighbors are resources). In our world, the balance is tipped towards success from closeness, which has led to biofilms, bacterial signalliing, the evolution of predation, arms races, and cooperation, the preference for self similarty, sex, and multi-cellularity, symbiosis and parasitism.

So that is my thesis, that the engine of micro-evolution, combined with physical and ecological dynamism over long periods of time, is sufficient to explain the level of biodiversity that exists today and the pattern of biodiversity shown in the fossil record.

I would be happy to discuss it further with you.

Is Mr Nakashima on moderation? Dave Wisker (me) is all of the time. Frakking annoying.

KC

Date: 2009/04/18 18:47:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 18 2009,18:32)
David Kellogg tries to pin down jerry:    
Quote

jerry, this may be a good time to point out that you have never adequately answered me on the question of punctuated equilibrium. I said your representation of PE on another thread was completely inaccurate. You replied by claiming it was accurate but otherwise merely provided a lot of bluster (nonspecific references to Allen MacNeill etc). I [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/pretending-that-darwinism-is-sophisticated-and-difficult-to<br>-understand-science-i



n-order-to-deflect-challenges-or-mickey-mouse-pretends-to-be-a-scientist/#comment-311731]pointed out[/URL] that your reply was not responsive. Let me quote from that:
   
Quote
To recap, your claims is that PE involves “changes that happen out of sight in unused parts of the genome.” You write that in PE, “[a] very small number of these changes suddenly become functional and this is when a new species or genera are born.” You even write that “This is the essence of punctuated equilibrium.”
Can you provide a quote from Gould or Eldredge that supports this? Can you even provide a quote from MacNeill that supports this? I think you can’t. It shouldn’t be hard. The original PE paper is available online, along with a number of other of Gould’s works on PE.

Please don’t just tell me that everybody knows this is what the theory says. It isn’t.

Why ask it on this thread? Because this thread is where you seem to be paying attention, because others have questioned (and you have defended) how much you know about evolution, and because PE is a theory about macro-level changes. If you’ve got that wrong — as I think you do — it may be relevant.

jerry:

 
Quote
If you have access still to Berkeley’s library then I suggest you go to Paleobiology in 2005 and there was an issue devoted to macro evolution. It was made into a book by Vrba and Eldredge on macro evolution but all the chapters are in Paleobiology so you can download them. Read the first chapter by a guy name Jurgen Brosius. This is the essence of the debate. Brosius assumes it is a slam dunk that naturalistic evolution caused all the changes but not through Darwinian processes so I am not sending you to an ID person but to a virulent anti ID one


The Brosius paper is about retronuons, how they can be exaptations, and how exaptations may play a large role. In other words, jerry thinks the 'essence of the debate" is about deferred adaptations. As if this idea is new or particularly controversial...LOL

The hyperbole/knowledge ratio in this one is huge.

KC



Date: 2009/04/19 10:41:27, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dvunkannon @ April 19 2009,10:27)
Jerry
 
Quote
By the way there is a similar program going on by those in favor of a naturalistic process to show that mutations along with other genomic processes can produce useful proteins.


jerry you magnificent bastard, PM me. Your last deaddrop has been compromised, and you need to re-establish a link to your control. The money cannot be delivered until then. Don't tell this to anyone in your network. Especially Joseph.

Jerry makes this grand pronouncement:

Quote
However, this process has never been to shown to be able to produce new complex functional capabilities but only minor changes probably creating at best a new genera. We remain skeptical of its ability to completely explain what Ernst Mayr called megaevolution.

So I asked:
Quote
So, the differences between genera of mice (Peromyscus vs Mus, say) are within reach of so-called microevolutionary processes, but the differences between families of rodents (mice vs squirrels, for example) are not?

Joe steps in at this point to help (my emphasis):  
Quote
Instead of asking questions why don’t you guys just post the scientific data which supports your claims?
For example- Show us the data that demonstrates that a mouse-like organism (population) can evolve into a squirrel-like organism.
Or show us the data which would demonstrate the small bones in a reptilian jaw can morph into ear-bones of a mammal.
Hoiwever it is obvious that ALL you have is slight variations to an already existing body plan.

My reply (still in goddamned moderation):
Quote
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Hi joseph,
You wrote (regarding differences between mice and squirrels):
Quote
Hoiwever it is obvious that ALL you have is slight variations to an already existing body plan.

Exactly, although an evolutionary biologist would say it was minor variation on the body plan of the common ancestor of the two families.  Since we all know microevolutionary processes can bring about minor variations, doesn’t this fact call jerry’s statement that differences between higher taxa can only be explained by novel complex adaptations (or capabilities) into question?

Oops.

KC

Date: 2009/04/23 05:49:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
gpuccio:

Quote
You see, we in ID prefer to discuss things where we can go into details and be qunatitative, rather than give “just so stories”, even if about issues which would certainly be in favour of our position


LOL

KC

Date: 2009/04/25 20:57:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
Gil throws in the towel:

Quote
Last evening I posted the following, and within a short period of time the Darwinbots descended upon it, challenging my expertise in two highly sophisticated areas of computational science, AI and FEA, fields in which I have the goods to demonstrate that I know what I am talking about. One commenter even asserted that the physics involved in an LS-DYNA simulation cannot be represented with mathematical precision. Yes they can. And it works.
At this point I decided that I have nothing further to offer. If some people cannot recognize that the information-processing systems encoded in biological systems defy naturalistic explanation and suggest a design inference, I cannot help them, and they are free to continue to pursue a phantom.





KC

Date: 2009/04/26 12:36:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
Its a humid, windy Spring day here in Kansas City... waiting for the tornadoes. Enjoying a nice ice-cold bottle of Zagorka, from Bulgaria:



Perfect.

KC

Date: 2009/04/28 19:09:25, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Ptaylor @ April 28 2009,18:46)
Dave Wisker responds to an implied assertion by StuartHarris:    
Quote
Hi Stuart,

Can you name one evolutionary psychologist who says genes control all of our behavior? I honestly cannot think of even one.

SH's reply:    
Quote
Dave,

If I researched it I probably could, but I won’t. Just cross out the two “alls” in the dialogue and the satirical point I was making still stands.

With Evo-psych one can conjure up an explaination for any behavior “A” or for the opposite behavior “not-A” and claim either speculation to be valid. Can you do that in a real science like physics? No (at least not yet), because evidence and mathematical/logical rigor are required.

My emphasis, and Stuart does soften his opening sentence, but shows a telling mindset if you ask me.

My reply:

Quote
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Hi Stuart,
If I researched it I probably could, but I won’t.

I don’t think you can. Take out the alls, and it’s still a misleading statement.


Of course, I am in perpetual moderation.

KC

Date: 2009/04/28 22:22:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
Just for the record:

Barry Arrington:

Quote
Dave Wisker re your [11]. Are you denying the thrust of Stuart’s comment — the evo pyscho purports to explain a behavior and its opposite with equal ease? Surely not; that proposition is so well established as to be almost a truism.


My reply (now in moderation 3 hours):

Dave Wisker:

Quote
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Barry,
I’m not an expert on evolutionary psychology, but I do know a few things:
1. I don’t think Stuart will be able to find an evolutionary psychologist who believes that genes control all our behavior.
2. What you think is a truism is, in reality, a ridiculous misrepresentation of the discipline.


KC

Date: 2009/05/02 07:17:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
I see he also still can't understand what Dawkins was using the WEASEL program to illustrate.

KC

Date: 2009/05/06 23:32:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (keiths @ May 06 2009,21:29)
StephenB submits his entry in the "most reactionary advice" category:
Quote
You would be far better off to burn the books you are reading, lock yourself in a room for about five years, and read everything that Chesterton ever wrote.

I think I'd rather have a hair shirt.

KC

Date: 2009/05/07 05:57:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
I hated Sanford's book. Take my copy-- Please.

KC

Date: 2009/05/08 09:16:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Joy @ May 07 2009,22:55)
If you've got any excess Mexicans, do send 'em my way, Erasmus. I'm really lucky if I can get my own kids and grandkids to weed the crops during growing season! Have plenty of room for tents, I won't turn 'em in or anything. Heck, I'll even cook 'em dinner and make lemonade and iced sun tea just like I do for the local VFD when the springtime fires come along. Burned the whole bottomland this year, closest it's ever gotten!

Contribute to the local economy? We indeed do, in a good many ways. Just love this place on the planet, of all places on the planet I've ever lived (and I was born where Mount Punatubo is now). Chose it on purpose. If you're gonna live in Florida, live at the beach (which we did). If you're gonna live in NC, live on a mountain. And we do. You got a problem with that?

Hey Joy,

I think my daughter goes to school near you: Warren Wilson College, in Swannanoa. Its a gorgeous part of the country, to be sure.

KC

Date: 2009/05/08 15:40:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Joy @ May 08 2009,10:56)
Hi, KCdgw. Yeah, WW is a cool school. Have had many students from there and Montreat volunteer for various youth programs on the redneck side of the divide. Have strong community service requirements, and many opportunities in an officially "depressed region."

What's her major?

Philosophy/History

KC

Date: 2009/05/09 14:03:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ May 09 2009,11:00)
You're all eager for criticising Intelligent Design (by making ad hominem attacks) and defending Darwinism. But who of you is a real scientist working in the field of biology?

No one? I thought so.

Graduate student doing research in molecular ecology. What about you, tough guy?

KC

Date: 2009/05/09 14:13:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 09 2009,12:45)
Quote (k.e.. @ May 09 2009,12:38)
 
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ May 09 2009,19:00)
You're all eager for criticising Intelligent Design (by making ad hominem attacks) and defending Darwinism. But who of you is a real scientist working in the field of biology?

No one? I thought so.

.....And your credentials Sir?

I think NR is Joe G, which would mean his credentials include a lab in the basement.

Joe G, the one who thinks reproductive isolation means only geographic isolation? . LOL.

KC

Date: 2009/05/09 22:18:45, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 09 2009,18:35)
Tutoring StephenB is exhausting.

I don't know how you fucking do it. It's not often you run into someone as congenitally unable to consider the possibility of being wrong as this guy.  

KC



Date: 2009/05/09 22:36:34, Link
Author: KCdgw
I can't watch  this video without thinking about Walter ReMine's Message Theory series of non-essays on UD.

KC

Date: 2009/05/09 22:44:15, Link
Author: KCdgw


KC

Date: 2009/05/11 11:14:15, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Amadan @ May 11 2009,08:38)
Doktor Ben Addresses His Intellectual Peers

   
Quote
Ben Stein - accomplished scholar, attorney, writer and actor who attended Yale Law School — delivered a message of creationism, patriotism and value for humanity to graduates and their families on Saturday, May 9, at Williams Stadium.


Surely they were referring to Expelled's impassioned discussion of patriotism and value for humanity, and how they are despised by the Jew-killing scientists? Because Expelled is about Intelligent Design - y'know, science, not, ah, what'sitcalledagain ... oh yeah creationism.

Umm,, no:

   
Quote
He spoke extensively about his work on “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed,” a documentary exposing the flaws of Darwinism and showing how the scientific community discriminates against scholars who believe in creationism.




As my teenage kids say*

FAIL


* And just because I like to show their friends my prowess in disco dancing. What's not to like?

Was that a real audience, or a fake one, as Stein used in the film?

KC

Date: 2009/05/11 13:08:17, Link
Author: KCdgw
A fake audience would be so much funnier.  Well, to me at least ;)

KC

Date: 2009/05/15 11:20:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (slpage @ May 15 2009,10:16)
Quote (Hermagoras @ May 12 2009,14:32)
Quote (slpage @ May 12 2009,12:14)
It is also interesting to note that cvomments are turned off in that ReMine thread now.

Old Wally just can't change his stripes, I guess.

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/lesson_cre_ethics_rr.htm

I have a comment window, though I don't care to comment there.  It may be that nobody else cares about ReMine either.

Yeah, I was surprised at how few pro-ID comments are in the ReMine trifecta.

Even the pro-IDers have learned that trying to discuss  ReMine's work with him is nigh on impossible without him crying misrepresentation.  

I would love to see copies of all the correspondence between ReMine and the editors of The Journal of Theoretical Biology and Heredity when he tried publishing that ridiculous paper of his.  

KC

Date: 2009/05/15 13:21:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2009,13:11)
w00t! Just got a call from the English department. 8 Seconds has been chosen for the New River Anthology, to be published in August. Also, they want me to read it at a fall reading.

That is an outstanding piece of writing.

KC

Date: 2009/05/18 09:05:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe G is brave:

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tsmith,
Balad, Iraq March 2004.
I think I was trying to prove one can outrun an RPG



Adel DiBagno is impressed (or sarcastic):

Quote
Joseph,
We are all in your debt for your service to our country.
A debt we can never repay.


KC

Date: 2009/05/18 09:28:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 18 2009,09:26)
Quote (KCdgw @ May 18 2009,09:05)
Joe G is brave:

     
Quote
tsmith,
Balad, Iraq March 2004.
I think I was trying to prove one can outrun an RPG



Adel DiBagno is impressed (or sarcastic):

     
Quote
Joseph,
We are all in your debt for your service to our country.
A debt we can never repay.


KC

Joe Gallien (Joe G) is a bullshit artist who has floating this "I was wounded fighting in Iraq" lie for years.

When pressed on the details, turns out he was never in the military.  He spent a month or so there as a contractor, and somehow hurt his back in a totally benign manner, lifting something the wrong way.

It steams me no end to see this chickenshit dishonor the real men and women who fought for our country and who were wounded or killed there.  :angry:

Hmmm...he claims it's his knee in the exchange I was quoting from. LOL.

PS...got a link to him admitting that?

KC



Date: 2009/05/20 11:04:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe G is pwned by derwood:

 
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Joseph:
derwood,
I was a technical advisor in Iraq (and Colombia, Saudi, Egypt, Ireland, Mexico- well a lot of different countries- but that is another story).
I have worked with companies that supply technology to militaries around the world.
And that means I have also worked with militaries around the world.



Sure, but you claimed to have been injured seeing if you can ‘outrun an RPG’in March, 204, near Balad Iraq. I did some searching and found that in 2004 in or near Balad the only non-military injuries were from vehicle attacks - one an RPG attack in which all the occupants of the vehicle were killed, one in which the vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb. Neither took place in March.


KC

Date: 2009/05/22 16:17:44, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
- Say pretty much whatever you want so long it isn't defamatory or profane. And no vicious personal attacks.


-- And no disagreeing with our dumbass  definitions of things

KC

Date: 2009/05/24 08:11:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
StephenB

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The point is that it is harder to make a positive case for anything than it is to snipe away at it.


Which is ID's Dilemma. And we know what path they took.

KC

Date: 2009/05/24 17:43:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
. In other words there is fairly conclusive proof that this family has descended from a population with a gene pool much larger than any of the genera gene pools through micro evolution processes.




KC

Date: 2009/05/24 19:40:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
Merlin seems impressed by Sanfords "Y chromosome degeneration" argument:

   
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Brian Sykes claims that the y chromosome is deteriorating (might have been a reference to some research on the radio, but I do not remember who or where) which supports Sanford’s position



I remind him that the evolution of sex chromosomes involves deterioration of the Y:

Dave Wisker:

   
Quote
Your comment is awaiting moderation.


Hi merlin,

 
Quote
Brian Sykes claims that the y chromosome is deteriorating (might have been a reference to some research on the radio, but I do not remember who or where) which supports Sanford’s position


Deterioration of the Y chromosome is expected under evolutionary theory, primarily because of the lack of recombination between X and Y . There is a rich cytogenetic literature on the evolution of sex chromosome systems, going back around 50 years or so. Here’s a recent example:

Engelstädter J (2008). Muller’s Ratchet and the degeneration of Y chromosomes: a simulation study. Genetics 180(2): 957–967.

From the introduction (my emphasis):

MANY animal and plant species have sex determination systems that involve distinct X and Y chromosomes (BULL 1983; SOLARI 1993). It is generally believed that these sex chromosomes evolved from common autosomal ancestors. However, Y chromosomes often have lost many of their genes, are highly heterochromatic, and exhibit a high density of transposable elements (reviewed in GRAVES 2006). In humans, for example, the Y chromosome spans ~60 Mb and contains only a few dozen protein-coding genes in its nonrecombining region (SKALETSKY et al. 2003). Moreover, the Y is rich in repetitive DNA without apparent function, and a large proportion is heterochromatic. By contrast, the human X chromosome measures ~155 Mb and contains >1000 genes (ROSS et al. 2005).
Several mechanisms have been proposed for why Y chromosomes erode, but their relative importance is not fully understood and may vary between species (reviewed in CHARLESWORTH and CHARLESWORTH 2000; BACHTROG 2006). It is clear, however, that the ultimate cause of erosion is the lack of recombination between X and Y chromosomes over most of their length. For example, this lack of recombination can lead to “hitchhiking effects” of deleterious mutations (MAYNARD SMITH and HAIGH 1974): if a beneficial mutation arises on a Y chromosome and spreads to fixation, it will drag along all mildly deleterious mutations at other loci on the Y chromosome (RICE 1987). Another mechanism that leads to accumulation of mildly deleterious alleles is a reduction in effective population size due to “background selection” against linked, strongly deleterious alleles that arise continually by mutation (B. CHARLESWORTH et al. 1993).

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/article....4#bib43



Of course, it won't get out of moderation until Tuesday

KC



Date: 2009/05/27 05:35:46, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Can we say quality is commensurate with complexity?


Sure, if you think Rube Goldberg is the greatest. Engineer. Ever.

KC

Date: 2009/05/27 09:50:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
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1: So when animals are nasty then its natures fault (and therefore Natural) but when they are nice, then what? God is making them behave morally? (and Unnaturally)  Sounds like an arbitrary definition of 'Natural' for the convenience of propping up ones own ideology (or should that be idiotology)
2: If you pound his head in then he can't run off, you EITHER drive him off OR pound his head in.
3: Thats the whole point - hurting group members can sometimes be to your advantage but equally it could be to your disadvantage.  The dynamic is quite complicated (which is probably why you don't get it)
4: Natural as in GODDIDIT?
5: Animals alerting their group to predators, defending their cousins offspring... Oh but of course they are behaving unnaturally


Its not much different from blaming man for everything shitty in the world, and reserving all the credit for the good to God.

KC

Date: 2009/05/28 16:30:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Clive is very touchy when it comes to his idols Lewis and Chesterton.  (Hey Clive, don't forget the first commandment.)


IDers like their philosophers like their biologists: second rate.

KC

Date: 2009/05/29 13:11:57, Link
Author: KCdgw
Clive vouches for Denyse:


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lawkrauss,

Regarding the reporting done by Denyse, I did not attend the lecture, but I’m willing to state that her reporting is accurate and her analysis sound on other grounds and in general, and does not do any disservice to journalism.


LOL

KC

Date: 2009/05/30 12:16:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Just in case...

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Dave Wisker

05/30/2009

10:24 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.


Jerry writes:

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It is represented here on this site and in the academic and popular literature by the lack of any coherent demonstration that Darwinian macro evolution ever took place. Now macro evolution did take place and no one is denying that here but there is no evidence for it happening by Darwinian processes or any other known natural processes.


For those who still think macrovolutionary processes have not or cannot be observed or examined experimentally, I suggest reading this essay by molecular biologist Art Hunt on his blog The RNA Underworld:

“Is macroevolution impossible to study (Part 2)?

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The plant kingdom is many things – the basis of agriculture and civilization, a natural laboratory with a stupefying capability in organic synthesis, a source of untold numbers of pharmaceuticals, antimicrobials, herbals, and other chemical playthings, a fascinating range of biological form and function, and an eminently accessible subject for studies of evolution. Along the lines of the last two bullets, one of the more interesting aspects of plants is the range of growth habits that may be adopted. Among these are two sets of contrasting characteristics – annual or perennial, and herbaceous or woody. Differences in these characteristics are among the bases for classification of plant species. For this reason, but also because accompanying morphological differences can be quite considerable, evolutionary changes that involve transitioning between these states are macroevolutionary. Thus, it stands to reason that studying the means by these characteristics evolve amounts to experimental analysis of macroevolution, and understanding the underlying mechanisms constitutes an explanation of macroevolutionary processes.


The article goes on to describe work with the plant Arabidopsis thaliana in which mutaions to two genes resulted in dramatic changes to the plant’s reproductive growth habits, changes that would, if found in two different populations would place them in different higher taxa. In other words, small, microevolutionary processes can be observed to produce macroevolutionary types of changes.

The article can be found here:

http://aghunt.wordpress.com/20.....dy-part-2/


KC



Date: 2009/06/03 08:23:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
What is it about botany that confounds Iders?

joseph

Quote
Art Hunt,
If you want to demonstrate macro-evolution it would be best if you stayed with animals.
Even YECs understand that plants act differently than animals.
In a YEC scenario plants do not “reproduce after their own Kind”. That only pertains to animals.
So while your point about plants is interesting it does NOT do anything to support your case.


KC

Date: 2009/06/03 09:52:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ June 03 2009,09:47)
Quote (KCdgw @ June 03 2009,08:23)
What is it about botany that confounds Iders?

joseph

 
Quote
Art Hunt,
If you want to demonstrate macro-evolution it would be best if you stayed with animals.
Even YECs understand that plants act differently than animals.
In a YEC scenario plants do not “reproduce after their own Kind”. That only pertains to animals.
So while your point about plants is interesting it does NOT do anything to support your case.


KC

Algae to oak trees. Microevolution.
Homo erectus to Homo sapiens. Macroevolution.



I guess Mendel played in the wrong kingdom.

KC

Date: 2009/06/03 15:56:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (clamboy @ June 02 2009,23:05)
Quote (rhmc @ June 02 2009,21:24)
we are tasked with converting to cd.
i be has isb turntable.
i am considering what to slide onto said cd's as payment.

suggestions?

I'm thinking Diamanda Galas, or anything from Current 93's "Dogs Blood Rising."

But then, I am kind of a purist when it comes to that Satan-y music

Jethro Tull: "Hymn 43"

Randy Newman: "God's Song"

Leon Russell: "Roll Away the Stone"

Leonard Cohen: "The Future"

KC



Date: 2009/06/05 07:44:15, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Turdus migratorius            stillborn       It seems the scientific illiterates at UD thought this name was scatalogical and were too stupid to check


Priceless. Reminds me of the media crucifixion of that govt official who the word "niggardly" correctly.

KC

Date: 2009/06/06 04:58:48, Link
Author: KCdgw
At last.

Date: 2009/06/07 12:15:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Someone should cobble the puns together in one post.

Date: 2009/06/07 20:53:36, Link
Author: KCdgw
"Y'all" is fairly common in Missouri, but I had to go to Arkansas before hearing "All y'all".

I enjoy the way 'all y'all" has increased the variation in my profanity: "Well, fuck all y'all, then" has a satisfying "and the horse you rode in on" heft.

KC

Date: 2009/06/08 04:30:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Texas Teach @ June 07 2009,23:51)
Quote (KCdgw @ June 07 2009,20:53)
"Y'all" is fairly common in Missouri, but I had to go to Arkansas before hearing "All y'all".

I enjoy the way 'all y'all" has increased the variation in my profanity: "Well, fuck all y'all, then" has a satisfying "and the horse you rode in on" heft.

KC

Missouri is interesting in that regard.  With folks from the southern part of the state I could say y'all without it being noticed.  In Columbia and the St. Louis metro, people would giggle when I said it.  Since I have a fairly light accent, the use of y'all was often the only time people would notice it.  I did have one coworker in Columbia who was from New York that would try to give me flak.  I would then translate the sentence for her, replacing y'all with yooz guys.

In the Kansas City area, one can say 'y'all' without comment, but most people don't use it.

KC

Date: 2009/06/08 05:05:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (khan @ May 24 2009,16:41)
Quote (ERV @ May 24 2009,15:04)
We are contractually forbidden to talk about back forum stuff.

Its just the same internet drama that has been going on in every forum since the beginning of time: Attention whores, white knights, normal adult humans that put up with that shit because they dont understand the internet, and normal adult humans who dont tolerate bullshit in their internet homes.  Its just internet drama, but unfortunately nice people are taking whore/knight behavior personally instead of mocking them, as internet laws dictate.  Encyclopedia Dramatica should be required reading before anyone has access to the internets, I swear...

Anyway, the bloggers AtBCers know and love are in the latter two groups, and thats because AtBCers are excellent judges of character.  But its just internet drama-- nothing more ominous.

:)

ERV, thanks for the resource.

Yeah, its great. The article on Internet Tough Guys must have had Dave Scot specifically in mind.

KC

Date: 2009/06/09 11:09:44, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 09 2009,11:06)
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 09 2009,10:55)
*snip*

Unrelated: WTF is up with physicists and hair?

HAR HAR HEDDLE AND OLEG.

Physicists and hair? What about biologists?

Steven Pinker:




Kevin Padian:



KC

Date: 2009/06/09 14:58:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ June 09 2009,14:42)
 
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,June 09 2009,14:11)
ahhh suicide sock.  it's hard to flame a bunch of flamers

Legendary's post should have been followed by a cry of Banzai! just before the fireball.

Or, in despair at the sheer monumental level of tard, this:



KC



Date: 2009/06/11 15:51:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Clive:

Quote
Dave Wisker,
——”And Darwin also considered the aboriginal tribes being cruelly slaughtered in Argentina to be morally superior to the white gauchos doing the slaughtering. A real racist creep, that Darwin.”
Ironic, considering that the aboriginals in Australia were killed by Darwinists and put on display in British museums as the missing link.


As if no aboriginals were killed before 1859. The Tasmanians were pretty much wiped out by 1833.  But it's all Darwin's fault

KC .

Date: 2009/06/12 10:54:35, Link
Author: KCdgw
herb:



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I’m not sure why the evos don’t understand the logic. Maybe a more specific example would help: Every time Boeing assembles a 747, that is evidence that nature operating freely can’t do it.
According to wikipedia, there have been 1,416 747’s built, so the chances of one arising through a “tornado in a junkyard” scenario must be less than 1/1,416, otherwise we would have observed one already. By independence, the probability that 747’s cannot arise through chance and necessity is 1 - (1/1,416)^1,416 which is 1 according to my calculator.


Where does one begin pointing out the ridiculousness of this comparison/calculation? For example, does one also assume that Boeing assembles planes in one step? If not, how can you even compare them honestly?  (I know the answer, BTW, just venting)

KC

Date: 2009/06/16 16:45:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
Ya gotta get a warm Humpty Dumptian fuzzy over this:

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—-David Kellogg: “You keep assuming that this “mind” is not material.”

Yes, of course. The mind I speak of, and the one which is ruled out by Darwnist methodology, is non-material. If I was positing a “material mind,” Darwinists would be fine with it.


KC

Date: 2009/06/17 06:05:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
I wish I had a nickel every time IDers use "The issue isn't X, it's Y"  format in their postings.

KC

Date: 2009/06/19 13:44:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
Saved in case of deletion:

Dave Wisker
Quote
Clive,
Ignoring what I wrote supporting it and implying I am just repeating the same sentence undermines the credibility of your point dramatically.


KC



Date: 2009/06/20 13:19:06, Link
Author: KCdgw
Sometimes, talking to one's dog would be more productive:

Clive:

 
Quote
Diffaxial,
——”In light of this and similar reasoning, there is no finding that cannot be rationalized as resulting from the will of one’s preferred supernatural agent. Hence, while the proposed association may be investigated and potentially disconfirmed (as occurred in this instance), the postulated causal agency cannot.”


So, your answer is “no”, the Harvard Prayer Experiment was not scientific.


KC

Date: 2009/06/25 09:03:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
This whole Jones thread has a Thurberish quality to it, as in that cartoon where the man says to his wife, "How is it possible, woman, in the awful and magnificent times we live in, to be preoccupied exclusively with the piddling?"

KC

Date: 2009/06/26 08:12:48, Link
Author: KCdgw
Done. Good luck, Wes

KC

Date: 2009/07/02 22:16:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Clive:

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Joseph,
Don’t call people chumps


And stop breathing. And masturbating on yer blog.

KC

Date: 2009/07/06 12:47:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
I attended a Francis Crick lecture once. Take that, science bitches.

KC

Date: 2009/07/07 08:16:31, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 07 2009,07:27)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 07 2009,06:37)
The delighted kid in the playpen is me in the summer of 1953. The older kid delighting me is Martin Mull (really). This is a frame from an 8mm home movie, which gives me a Bacon number of three, according to the Oracle of Bacon.

John Voldstad (My Other Brother Darryl) was at my sister's wedding, giving me a Bacon number of 3.  

I also had dinner with Ken Starr once which, I suppose, gives me a Lewinski number of 2*.

*Betting windows are now open:  who will be the first to make an crude joke? The line is:

k.e.  at 5-2
Louis at  4-1
Erasmus at 6-1
RichardtHuggs at 10-1
TardenChatterbox at 500-1

My wife and I were friends with marathoner/occasional actor Kenny Moore.

Moore appeared with Mel Gibson in "Tequila Sunrise"

Gibson and Julia Roberts appeared in "Conspiracy Theory"

Roberts and Bacon appeared in "Flatliners"

KC

Date: 2009/07/14 16:22:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Henry J @ July 14 2009,16:10)
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and when shown side-by-side pictures of the two animals, I for one could not distinguish between them!


Which is presumably why biologists tend to use internal details of anatomy when doing classification of organisms, rather than just the overall shape. Heck, otherwise they might think cetacea were fish or something. :p

No placental wolf can open its jaws 120 degrees like the Thylacine could, nor can the Grey Wolf sit up on its hind legs and tail like a kangaroo.

KC

Date: 2009/07/24 10:59:49, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ July 24 2009,10:25)
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Joseph: So if recombination is limited deterioration is inevitable?

But wait males also have an X, therefor that X should also show signs of deterioration.

The X-chromosome in a male comes from his mother. X-chromosomes recombine in mothers. (It's believed that sex chromosomes evolved to progressively restrict recombination between male and female chromosomes, a result of clustering of male advantageous traits.)

Quote
Joseph: Therefor if a man has a son, who then has a son, who then also has a son, we should be able to see some X chromosome deterioration somewhere along that patrilineage in at least some of the gametes.

The father does not pass his X-chromosome down to his son. A son acquires his X-chromosome from his mother—who just happens to have two recombining X-chromosomes.

Exactly. The dumbass has now been straightened out.

KC

Date: 2009/07/24 12:13:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 24 2009,11:14)
lololol
   
Quote


7

Dave Wisker

07/24/2009

10:31 am

Joseph,

Males contribute X chromosomes to their daughters, which can then undergo recombination and be passed on to their sons and daughters, and so on. In other words, every male receives his X chromosome from his mother, where it underwent recombination with its homologous X. Surely this doesn’t have to be explained to you further.


don't call him shirley.  and you know it will have to be explained to him further.  looking forward to seeing his response

I didn't think it was possible, but joe is far stupider than I thought:



joseph:

Quote
Did you have a point?
How did what you posted address:
BTW each male carries a population of gametes.
In that population we should see the X chromosome deteriorate over time.
That is if your premise is correct.

My point is that a dad can give a deteriorated X to his daughter.
And you still haven’t addressed:
So if recombination is limited deterioration is inevitable?
IOW how does recombination prevent deterioration?

Date: 2009/07/26 16:40:31, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Maya @ July 26 2009,16:17)
Jerry is the gift that keeps on giving:  
Quote
 
Quote
The point is that FSCI is meant to be a well defined concept. But you can only make it well defined by including a lot of arbitrary assumptions about both the target and the context in which the outcome is generated.

No, it is really quite simple and since you seem to have a hard time understanding this very simple concept, maybe you should refrain from commenting on it. Perhaps you should study some computer programming and some basic courses in English grammar.

Translation:  "You should stop pointing out that I can't define my terms."

This could get tardfully fun, since BillB is a computer scientist.

KC

Date: 2009/07/28 13:30:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ July 28 2009,13:17)
Quote
jerry: And by the way the Franklins said it would take 23 million years to get a new bird species from the finches.

We posted a response on Uncommon Descent, but there must have been a, er, technical problem, as our response never showed. But Dave Wisker apparently reads Jovian thoughts.

Quote
Dave Wisker: I’m curious– where did the Grants (I assume you meant them, not the “Franklins”) say it would take 23 million years to get a new species? Where they referring to a particular situation and specific populations in the Galapagos?

Considering that the Grants have measured rates of evolution in the tens-of-thousands of darwins, and that the Galápagos Islands are only 5-10 million years old.

The only thing I could think of even remotely connected to the Grants on this is cycles of environmental change and introgression that could interfere with permanent reproductive isolation for a long time. But 23 milllion years sounds extreme, and I've never read anything by the Grants suggesting something like that. But I could be wrong, so I'll let jerry enlighten us.

KC

Date: 2009/07/28 15:16:49, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
maybe jerry confused 2 or 3 million years with 23 million years.


That's the most likely answer. After all, taking notes from videos is hard work.

KC

Date: 2009/07/29 08:12:47, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (djmullen @ July 29 2009,05:11)
This never made it to the [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/uncommon-descent-contest-question-7-foul-anonymous-darwinist-blogger-exposed-why-so-foul-w


inner-announced/]"Contest # 7" thread[/URL]:          
Quote
3

djmullen

07/28/2009

3:23 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.


“An avatar blogger, “Canadian Cynic,” had been posting obscenities for years against Canadian women (wives, mothers, grandmothers, sisters, daughters) who espoused traditional values.”

“But the enterprising Wendy Sullivan, the “Girl on the Right”, found out, and allowed the world (his clients, colleagues, suppliers, acquaintances, neighbours, anyone who might be interested, really) to know that that is how he spends his time when he is not developing or writing about software.”

And here are the obscenities the enterprising Wendy Sullivan posts about (Native) Canadian men and their daughters:

“Tuesday, June 26, 2007
As opposed to the other 364 days
When the Natives do absolutely nothing except smoke, drink and f**k their daughters. This Friday will mark the Native Day of Action™ here in Canada. It’s their chance to whine and complain that us white guys who pay 45% in income tax to support their smoking, drinking and daughter-f**king are ripping them off.”

She goes on to tell us those immoral natives huff gasoline too and gets a few good ones in on the Palestinians.

http://www.girlontheright.com/2007....ys.html

And here are the obscenities you spew all over Uncommon Descent while quoting the enterprising racist, Wendy Sullivan:
“cunts”, “wankers”, “douchebags”, “assholes”

And then you ask, “Why do so many Darwinists spout so much filth, hostility, and aimless detraction?”

You’re a real class act, Denyse!


I can't imagine why Clive killed this one ... unless maybe my utter disgust with O'Leary and all things UD just got too palpable to ignore.

What's an "avatar blogger"?

KC

Date: 2009/07/29 09:07:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
joseph

Quote
Dave,
Provide the data that demonstrates those Africans were tribes people.
IOW just because they are of African descent doesn’t mean anything.


Me:

Quote
joseph,
That African tribeswomen didn’t find you a good catch doesn’t mean much either.


KC

Date: 2009/07/29 09:35:31, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (deadman_932 @ July 29 2009,09:17)
Here's something for you, KC: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,787657,00.html

From Time magazine, 1930--an Irishman in Lagos, Nigeria with 16 "Negro" wives dies and they inherit his 3 million-dollar fortune and homes for each one. Dunno about kids, but it seems pretty damned likely.

There were scots and irish explorers/missionaries/workers, etc. that had kids. Irish slaveowners in the south had children with their new tribal slaves. Europeans mixed with "colonial" tribespeople all over the damn world, from New Zealand to the Americas to Africa or wherever. Why Maytag-boy wants to argue that is beyond me, other than he's fucked up in the melon.  

Joe Gallien "visited africa?" and "met tribes?" Shit, the guy's a compulsive liar.

Thanks. Cakeboy is an endless source of amusement.

Date: 2009/07/29 10:07:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Amadan @ July 29 2009,09:54)
Too good an opportunity to miss:

(From Thin Lizzy's Live and Dangerous Album, c 1978)

Phil Lynnott (in perfect Crumlin accent): "Annywun heyar goddany Oirish in dem?"

Crowd: [Roar]

P. L.: "Any'v da girls loik a bih moar Oirish in dem?"

Joes should just learn to let his inner rock-star out. He might even score the next time he visits Africa.


Edit: Splleing

Thin Lizzy rocked.

KC

Date: 2009/07/29 11:16:39, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (JohnW @ July 29 2009,10:51)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 28 2009,17:23)
it is time to ask "is JoeG really Dave Tard".

Dunno.  But Dave Wisker is Louis:
 
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94

Dave Wisker

07/28/2009

3:29 pm
Mr Nakashima,

 
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The finches remain isolated even on the same island. The Africans and Irish do not remain isolated when put on the same island.


That’s not quite true. In the case I quoted above, the three species of birds do hybridize (albeit rarely) when they come into contact, though probably less often than Africans and Irish do when they come into contact. This is to be expected when closely related populations begin to diverge: somebody living in New England and travelling to Africa would have no problem producing fertile offspring with Africans. However, should that same person attempt to produce fertile offspring with artichokes or sheep anywhere, the results would be as expected considering the time since the divergence of those lineages.

So, getting all hot and bothered about species and varieties in early stages of divergence is a waste of time and a diversion from the issues being discussed.

Ha! I don't live in New England. But Cakeboy does.

KC

Date: 2009/07/29 16:31:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Chayanov @ July 29 2009,15:42)
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Joseph: I have been to Africa.

I have met African tribes.

I have had the opportunity to interbreed.

Yet I did not.

That must mean we are different species.


Translation: He couldn't get any.

But they thought he was a good catch.

Date: 2009/07/30 10:58:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
We find no such creatures in the fossil record, for obvious reasons.


If you refuse to look, or cover your eyes, you cannot find.

Date: 2009/08/02 14:14:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Thirty-five percent hydrogen peroxide is commercially available as an oxidant and disinfectant. This solution is currently sold and promoted in health food stores in th United States as a means of 'improving oxygenation' in people with coronary artery disease and other health problems. Our findings show the high toxicity of concentrated hydrogen peroxide. CNS [central nervous system] damage and death are likely consequences after ingestion of this agent


Ashdown BC, et al. (1998). Hydrogen peroxide poisoning causing brain infarction: neuroimaging findings. American Journal of Roentgenology <b>170</b>:1653-5.

For crissakes, the stuff I have at home is only 3%, and the label specifically warns against ingesting it.



Date: 2009/08/03 08:10:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Done, but he has been asked before.

KC

Date: 2009/08/04 11:12:56, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 03 2009,08:25)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 03 2009,08:10)
Done, but he has been asked before.

KC

Thanks. That's what we thought, but he repeated the claim, so we were wondering.

Just to make sure jerry didn't miss the question the first two times:



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Dave Wisker:

Hi jerry,
Any luck on getting that citation for the Grants claiming it takes 23 million years for one species to appear?


Date: 2009/08/04 11:50:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 04 2009,11:41)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 04 2009,11:12)
   
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 03 2009,08:25)
     
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 03 2009,08:10)
Done, but he has been asked before.

KC

Thanks. That's what we thought, but he repeated the claim, so we were wondering.

Just to make sure jerry didn't miss the question the first two times:

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Dave Wisker:

Hi jerry,
Any luck on getting that citation for the Grants claiming it takes 23 million years for one species to appear?



Well, he finally answered, sorta.

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jerry: By the way, it was 32 million years not 23 million years. I had a dyslexic moment as I remembered incorrectly but a friend corrected me. The Grants referred to the works of some researchers who were named Prager and Wilson. So maybe you should write the Grants and ask for the cite. It was in a presentation they made at Stanford.

His answer is "Look it up yourself."

I looked up Prager and Wilson's paper.  They are tallking about the development of complete hybrid inviability. P&W found that certain groups of organisms, birds and amphibians in particular, lose hybrid viability very slowly. 20-30 million years (which suprised me). However, other groups, such as mammals lose it much more quickly (by around a factor of ten):  2 - 3 million years

Date: 2009/08/04 12:16:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 04 2009,12:01)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 04 2009,11:50)
     
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 04 2009,11:41)
       
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 04 2009,11:12)
           
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 03 2009,08:25)
             
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 03 2009,08:10)
Done, but he has been asked before.

KC

Thanks. That's what we thought, but he repeated the claim, so we were wondering.

Just to make sure jerry didn't miss the question the first two times:

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Dave Wisker:

Hi jerry,
Any luck on getting that citation for the Grants claiming it takes 23 million years for one species to appear?



Well, he finally answered, sorta.

Quote
jerry: By the way, it was 32 million years not 23 million years. I had a dyslexic moment as I remembered incorrectly but a friend corrected me. The Grants referred to the works of some researchers who were named Prager and Wilson. So maybe you should write the Grants and ask for the cite. It was in a presentation they made at Stanford.

His answer is "Look it up yourself."

I looked up Prager and Wilson's paper.  They are tallking about the development of complete hybrid inviability. P&W found that certain groups of organisms, birds and amphibians in particular, lose hybrid viability very slowly. 20-30 million years (which suprised me). However, other groups, such as mammals lose it much more quickly (by around a factor of ten):  2 - 3 million years

Prager & Wilson, Slow Evolutionary Loss of the Potential for Interspecific Hybridization in Birds: A Manifestation of Slow Regulatory Evolution, PNAS 1975.

Excellent read. Now consider jerry's actual statement.

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jerry: The Grants who investigated the finches of the Galapagos said it would take 23 million years for a new bird species to arise.

It wasn't the Grants, it was 22 million years, and it didn't refer to new species. That is unless you consider the turkey and the chicken, or the duck and the goose to be the same species. Because those are the sorts of hybridizations that are at issue in the study. As usual, they are confused by the fact that reproductive isolation is a continuum and that this supports the evolutionary hypothesis.

Indeed, the title refers to *interspecific* hybridization, meaning hybridization *between* different species.

Here's something else in the paper that's of some interest for a paper written a quarter century ago.

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The above observations are consistent with the hypothesis that evolutionary changes in regulatory systems, that is, changes in the patterns of gene expression, provide the basis for both anatomical evolution and the evolutionary loss of hybridization potential.

Several authors have suggested that in order to understand organismal evolution one needs to focus attention on the control of gene expression rather than on the amino acid sequences of proteins coded for by structural genes

They also point out that avians may be the victims of an "inflated system of organismal classification". (We tend to think of species that can hybridize as being in the same genera.)

Actually, whether or not these populations are actual species yet in the strict sense of the term is irrelevant. The fact remains they are morphologically and ecologically distinct, and reproductively isolated, which can only lead to further divergence. In other words, they are species in all but complete post-zygotic isolation.

Date: 2009/08/04 12:48:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 04 2009,12:35)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 04 2009,12:16)
   
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 04 2009,12:01)

They also point out that avians may be the victims of an "inflated system of organismal classification". (We tend to think of species that can hybridize as being in the same genera.)

Actually, whether or not these populations are actual species yet in the strict sense of the term is irrelevant. The fact remains they are morphologically and ecologically distinct, and reproductively isolated, which can only lead to further divergence. In other words, they are species in all but complete post-zygotic isolation.

Ducks and geese are separate species, even if they can hybridize on occasion. There's no significant gene flow between the populations and consequently they keep their distinctive characteristics. Classification inflation refers to the numbers of higher level taxonomic categories when compared to other vertebrate classes. Of course, the only guide here is consistency—where we cut the phylogenetic tree is arbitrary.

I was thinking more of the IDers perspective on this and evolutiionary theory. Diversity depends on isolation and divergence. And that's what we see, regardless of the  taxonomic headaches.

Date: 2009/08/04 13:51:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
DATCG cites Alan Feduccia:

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Journals like Nature don’t require specimens to be authenticated, and the specimens immediately end up back in China, so nobody can examine them. They may be miraculous discoveries, they may be missing links as they are claimed, but there is no way to authenticate any of this stuff.



Huh?

Link



Date: 2009/08/06 09:58:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 06 2009,09:18)
New ideas bubble up from the ooze...

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False! you/they start from a known degraded position and then try to rely on compensatory mutations to falsify Genetic Entropy,,,Whereas a strict rendering of the Genetic Entropy principle will hold that only the original un-degraded bacteria is optimal.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-329026

I think its funny born77 is walking right into the teeth of a falsification of his thesis and now he wants us to "tweak' the fitness test "in all fairness".

If you don't have the chops to defend your hero Sanford, don't humiliate him by demanding special teatment from the big bad Darwinists.

What a maroon.

Date: 2009/08/13 05:34:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 12 2009,20:17)
Quote (didymos @ Aug. 12 2009,20:21)
Lately, Unpleasant Blowhard has been obsessed with the concept of a stop codon.  He's convinced that it could never have acquired it's "meaning" by "chance".

I've been thinking hard on this. There must be some way of sticking a stop codon into Gordon Mulling's post hole. Let's get Blowhard and HocusPocus working on that.

UB is obsessed with this because, like most IDers, he is looking at it from the wrong angle:

Date: 2009/08/13 10:27:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
bornagain77 seems to think that the fact the genomes of ancient bacteria recovered from older salt deposits are remarkably similar to modern bacteria is some kind of problem for evolution. He forgets that if we can revive old bacteria from salt deposits, then erosion of older rocks could do the same thing, continually, for millions of years, releasing billions and billions of these bacteria on the surface.  He also forgets how much salt we mine and throw on roads every winter alone.

Date: 2009/08/13 10:33:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 13 2009,10:28)
KC you mean he is overlooking something obvious?

i am astounded.

Well, to be fair, a few biologists have suffered from the same problem.

ETA: I have to admit, though, it has been fun pulling the rug out from under one of bornagain's favorite issues. Man I hate myself.



Date: 2009/08/13 12:48:20, Link
Author: KCdgw
bornagain gets in a snit when his pet theory is shown to have some shaky assumptions:

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Dave,
Your conjecture is a lame excuse for stasis, not a concise explanation for why we have morphological and molecular stasis for as far back as we find bacteria in the fossil record as well as in salt mines.
I laid out a brief outline of the “poly-constrained” reason for why we should expect extremely limited plasticity in a poly-functional genome, and this is ignored by you…Blind faith driving science once again! Far be it from me to argue with such a religious fanatic as yourself as you show yourself to be on this blog. Believe as you want I will waste my time no longer.



Link

Date: 2009/08/13 16:06:45, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 13 2009,14:01)
Bornagain77 cites West Chester University geomicrobiologist, Russell Vreeland.

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bornagain77 (quoting Vreeland et al.): “Almost without exception, bacteria isolated from ancient material have proven to closely resemble modern bacteria at both morphological and molecular levels.

Vreeland apparently also said this.

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bornagain77 (last year): I also inquired of Dr. Vreeland for such a fitness test and was rather bruskly told something to the effect that “only creationists would ask a question like that”.

That should be a rule. Everyone should be responsible for taking out their own Tard.

What bornagain didn't say is, Vreeland wrote a paper discussing the reasons why we could expect ancient and modern bacteria to not be much different.

Date: 2009/08/23 06:38:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.


Where's her full publication list?

Date: 2009/08/23 09:08:21, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (deadman_932 @ Aug. 23 2009,07:54)
Quote (KCdgw @ Aug. 23 2009,06:38)
   
Quote
Looking at her full publications list and other accomplishments...Real scientist, award-winning fiction novelist, popular science author, artist...yeah, it's easy to see why Wee Billy might be a little envious.


Where's her full publication list?

She doesn't have a full CV or publications list up that I could find, so in her case, I looked for epublications at  arXiv.org and then an advanced search on publications from 2003-2009 on Google Scholar, which is quick and easy, here. I'll let you look through that last one and I didn't bother with a Web of Science cite search.

The ArXiv.org Epublications search for 2003 onward gives the following:

Energy Level Diagrams for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin  arXiv:0907.5195 (July 2009)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes II: The Phase Space Portrait Gabe Perez-Giz and Janna Levin arXiv:0811.3815 (November 2008)

Homoclinic Orbits around Spinning Black Holes I: Exact Solution for the Kerr Separatrix Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz  (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs II: Spherical Orbits and the Homoclinic Limit of Zoom-WhirlinessarXiv:0811.3798 (November 2008)

Dynamics of Black Hole Pairs I: Periodic Tables Janna Levin and Becky Grossman arXiv:0809.3838 (September 2008)

A Periodic Table for Black Hole Orbits Janna Levin and Gabe Perez-Giz arXiv:0802.0459 (February 2008)

Cosmological Moduli Dynamics Brian Greene, Simon Judes, Janna Levin, Scott Watson and Amanda Weltman. hep-th/0702220 (February 2007)

Chaos and Order in Models of Black Hole Pairs Janna Levin Journal-ref: Phys. Rev. D74 (2006) 124027.  gr-qc/0612003 (December 2006)

Missing Lorenz-boosted Circles-in-the-sky Janna Levin. astro-ph/0403036 (March 2004)

Lyapunov timescales and black hole binaries Neil J. Cornish and Janna Levin Comment: To be published in Classical and Quantum Gravity Journal-ref: Class. Quant. Grav. 20 (2003) 1649-1660 , gr-qc/0304056 (April 2003)
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I didn't include the Google Scholar cites because ...well, I'm lazy, but you can click on the link.

ETA:  collaborating with Barrow, Cornish and Greene must've been fun

Thanks. I was interested in her publication record since she was at Columbia (2004 on).

Date: 2009/08/23 10:59:51, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
ETA.  I should caution that the number of publications is not a very reliable indicator.  What matters is the impact a person has on his or her field of work.


And also how much grant money she brings in, I would imagine.

Date: 2009/08/23 14:11:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 23 2009,12:00)
Dave Wisker, *ahem*
 
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The authors found the overall probability of this kind of association for the eight AA’s being due to chance was 5.4 X 10-11

We leap on Dembski for making the same error, so I don't see why I should leave you out of the fun.

That probability is the probability of getting a value of the statistic that extreme if the data were random.  Your mistake is known as the prosecutor's fallacy.

:::scuffs feet:::  shucks

oops.

Date: 2009/08/23 16:03:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 23 2009,11:06)
After mangling the explanation, Jerry responds to Dave Wisker's cites to studies from 1996 and 2000.

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jerry: Seems like that would have been obvious years ago and we would be here much sooner.

Yes, years ago (in Earth-years).

Knight and Landweber, Rhyme or reason: RNA-arginine interactions and the genetic code, Chemistry & Biology 1998.

jerry:

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“Instead, the amino acid is attached via an ester bond to the 3? end of the stem. The anticodon sequence is further down the stem and is not involved.”

Then why should the amino acid bind at some other place on the tRNA just because the anti codon will bind to it. There should be a connection or am I missing something.


I'm beginning to regret trying to explain this to him.

Date: 2009/08/24 22:30:21, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 24 2009,21:20)
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36
bornagain77
08/24/2009
6:00 pm
Dave,
To be honest with you,,I have debated atheists for several years now,,,I usually have been polite to the point of fault,,, in return I have for the majority of times been maligned, cussed, ridiculed, threatened with death and all sorts of evil response,,,all for sticking to the truth of the evidence and proving evolution wrong with the best of what ability I have been given,,,Though you may take me for being rude with you, I am actually trying my very best to wake you from the deception you are in,,, for I figure a few hurt feelings by you now will be far better than the consequences of being separated from God eternally,,,Maybe I am wrong to be this way with you,,,every one is different,,,but truly I am not meaning it personally,,,


first of all, what in the feck is ,,, about?  this sombitch is crazier than a damn shot she-hawg

second, Dave Wisker's got a girlfriend, dave wisker's got a girlfriend neener neener neener

He's just like cakeboy, blaming the nasty ole atheists/DAwrwinits/liberals for making him act like an asshole. Free will my ass.



Date: 2009/08/25 08:04:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Aug. 25 2009,07:01)
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bornagain77: In fact, I followed this debate very closely and it turns out the trivial gain of just one protein-protein binding site being generated for the non-living HIV virus, that the evolutionists were “crowing” about, came at a staggering loss of complexity for the living host it invaded (People) with just that one trivial gain, (leaky cell membrane), in binding site complexity. Thus the “evolution” of the virus clearly stayed within the principle of Genetic Entropy since far more functional complexity was lost by the living human cells it invaded than ever was gained by the non-living HIV virus.

HIV is attempting to invade one of the most complex organisms on Earth, endowed not only with an elaborate immune system, but highly sophisticated technology. Yet, the virus is still capable of invading and feasting on human beings. From the point of view of the virus, a very important evolutionary advance.

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bornagain77: Thus the “evolution” of the virus clearly stayed within the principle of Genetic Entropy since far more functional complexity was lost by the living human cells it invaded than ever was gained by the non-living HIV virus.

Yes, that's the point. Just like the pouncing of a tiger, or the talons of a hawk.

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bornagain77: Do you have any actual empirical evidence that a fusion event has ever led to anything other than genetic diseases?

There are a lot of known examples. Among mammals, mice often change chromosome number as they evolve. Here's an interesting case.

Island mice may evolve faster: From one species to six

Britton-Davidian et al., Environmental genetics: Rapid chromosomal evolution in island mice, Nature 2000.

Update: "The extensive chromosomal divergence of the races in Madeira is expected to contribute to their genic divergence. However, there was no significant correlation between chromosomal and allozyme distances. This low apparent chromosomal impact on genic differentiation may be related to the short time since the onset of karyotypic divergence, as the strength of the chromosomal barrier will become significant only at later stages." (For students of speciation, that means chromosomal isolation before divergence.)

Britton-Davidian et al., Patterns of genic diversity and structure in a species undergoing rapid chromosomal radiation: an allozyme analysis of house mice from the Madeira archipelago, Nature 2007

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bornagain77: There is no logical “evolutionary” progression to be found for the amount of DNA in less complex animals to the DNA found in more complex animals.

That's because evolution isn't a progression, but a matter of happenstance with features cobbled together in response to immediate necessities, not due to some overarching plan.

I have pointed them to my series of essays on Human Chromsome 2 on PT.

Date: 2009/08/25 11:11:49, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 25 2009,10:38)
Quote


58

jerry

08/25/2009

10:30 am

Dave Wisker,

You have a tendency to just cite papers as proof of something. Many of us do not have access to these papers and when we do the language is so specific to the discipline that it takes too much time to invest to decipher what is actually being said. When I asked for a layman’s account of your recommended theory of stereochemistry as the origin of the DNA code you presented a rather vague theory that was very interesting (a couple codon strings bind with the corresponding amino acid) but hardly anywhere near a proof of anything.


shorter jerry:  i don't know shit but i won't let that stop me from claiming nonsense

I love it: evolutionary biology is so easy even a tard can refute it! Just don't cite papers on evolutionary biology-- dey is cunfyoozlin.

Date: 2009/08/26 10:29:49, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Dave Wisker:

 
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vjtorly,
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Dave Wisker
I completely agree with your remark in #19 above. Foul language has no place on this Web site, and the author of the offending comments should apologize

Thanks. Actually, bornagain did post a ‘notpology’, essentially blaming the big bad atheists for his behavior, and also informing me that putting up with his rudeness was worth it since he was actually trying to save my soul. I know, pathetic.
He also seems to think he hurt my feelings. Not so. I have been called far worse by far better debaters than him, and had a beer with them afterwards. The fact is, his debating style is shallow, tiresome, selectively-informed and non-engaging. The “love it or leave it” remark finally convinced me he isn’t a serious participant. There are far more serious participants here that are worth engaging.

Date: 2009/08/26 11:57:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 26 2009,11:44)
Clive Moderates BA^77
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I tried to warn you, now I’m going to moderate your comments. If you stop with this nonsense rudeness, I will take you out of moderation after a while.

Haha
nonsense rudeness indeed!

ba77 will only be able to voluntarily control the rudness.

Date: 2009/08/26 15:47:21, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 26 2009,13:00)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 26 2009,09:24)
O'Leary
 
Quote
Special invitation for Richard Dawkins – but any civil person is entitled to enter.

There’s been some discussion here and elsewhere whether the the recent IEEE article by Dembski and Marks correctly characterizes Richard Dawkins’ famous METHINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL program.

Does the program ratchet correct letters or does it let them vary? One is a partitioned or stair-step search, the other a more realistic evolutionary search. From The Blind Watchmaker, where Dawkins describes the program, its performance suggests that it could be either of these options (though he doesn’t say).

On the other hand, from a (video-run of the program , go to 6:15), it seems to be the latter.

It’s easy enough to settle this question: Make the code for the program public. Perhaps Richard Dawkins himself or his friends at RichardDawkins.net can finally provide this code (apparently a program written in BASIC).

The prize is a copy of either Stephen Meyer’s new Signature in the Cell or Richard Dawkins’ soon-to-be-out The Greatest Show on Earth.

Should the winner choose the latter, I will ask Dawkins’s publicist to mail the copy. Given that at his site, he calls himself “the most formidable intellect in public discourse,” I would assume that if he signs the copy, it will be worth millions.

But wait. Let’s see that code first.


Did she ask Dembski about this I wonder?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....program

Never mind Dembski, did she ask Dawkins?  He's the only one who could produce his original programme, and if he does he might win... a copy of his own book!!!111!onetyone11!!1!

I suggested that they enlist Lou Dobbs to help them, since he apparently neds a new cause, since CNN told him to get off the birther wagon. But my post mysteriously disappeared.

Date: 2009/08/30 10:36:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (CeilingCat @ Aug. 30 2009,10:19)
WASTE of BREATH (above):  
Quote

After taking time to go through the above, I am still shaking my head.
So am I Gordon, so am I.



Anybody know why he's referring to Richard Dawkins as "CRD"?

Dawkins's legal name is Clinton Richard Dawkins.

Date: 2009/09/03 13:00:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 03 2009,12:13)
Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 03 2009,11:44)
I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating.

You could be right.. I for one, have never seen k.e. and Denyse, Dembski, CliveBaby, jerry, or BarryA in the same room together...

I have. It's a bar called The Endless Bummer.

Date: 2009/09/04 08:15:17, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Barrett Brown @ Sep. 04 2009,04:09)
My latest screed against Uncommon Descent, this time in reference to Cornelius Hunter's bizarre post on "Evolution's Legacy of Shame," may be found at this link:

[URL=http://trueslant.com/barrettbrown/2009/09/04/intelligent-design-advocate-mocking-of-scientist-by-other-scientists-a-century-ago-is-evol

utions-legacy-of-shame/]http://trueslant.com/barrett....f-shame[/URL]

I've tried for several minutes to hyperlink this but have given up.

Ironically, one of the reasons Kammerer garnered so much opposition wasn't just his research, but the fact he was an atheist.

Date: 2009/09/15 05:05:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
A Christian is one who attempts to life his or her life according to St. Francis's Prayer:

  Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
  where there is hatred, let me sow love;
  where there is injury, pardon;
  where there is doubt, faith;
  where there is despair, hope;
  where there is darkness, light;
  and where there is sadness, joy.


Note how telling the truth isn't mentioned.

KC

Date: 2009/09/16 09:20:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 16 2009,03:22)
Okay, let's start winding down for the night.  Let's address posts by Reed and by Dale:

For Reed:  You're right, we do need to start defining what is meant by the term "evolution", although you can see from some of the quotations that evolutionists themselves do not always do so.

Evolution comes in two flavors, micro-evolution and macro-evolution.  So if there is any question about things, I will be using the definitions given by the standard (and currently used) high-school and university textbook "Biology" by Campbell and Reece, 7th edition, c2005.

 
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Microevolution:
Evolutionary change below the species level, change in the genetic makeup of a population from generation to generation.

Macroevolution:  
Evolutionary change above the species level, including the appearance of major evolutionary developments, such as flight, that we use to define higher taxa.


Campbell-Reece's definition of macroevolution is consistent with what Scott Freeman-Jon Herron offers in their Evolutionary Analysis textbook, so I will include that definition as well:

 
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Macroevolution:
Large evolutionary change, usually in morphology;
typically refers to the evolution of differences among populations that would warrant their placement in different genera or higher-level taxa.


FloydLee

Interestingly, neither definition Floyd cited implied different underlying mechanisms for microevolution and macroevolution.

KC



Date: 2009/09/16 09:42:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Gil Dodgen:

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I'm like Joseph.


<snicker>

KC

Date: 2009/09/16 11:06:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (dmso74 @ Sep. 16 2009,10:57)
speaking of Joseph, he is now hilariously backpedaling on his claims that T-urf13 was "intelligently designed" in plants:
 
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   1. Turf-13 arose naturally in maize.

Maize arose artificially.

The protein in question wouldn’t have arisen if we didn’t artificially screw around with the plant.



linky

Those ancient mesoamericans sure must have known their molecular biology.  

What a maroon.

KC

Date: 2009/09/16 22:15:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
ID science at its best:


tragic mishap

 
Quote
Dave,

 
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Until our ID friends consider and explore these known selective advantages for CMS, and then compare them to the one selective disadvantage in a natural setting, their objections really don’t hold much water.


Do you have a grant in mind? One in which I could be explicit about the purpose of the experiment? Because I have a perfect test in mind.

1. Take a CMS and non-CMS batch of seeds mixed 50/50, and plant them randomly in a field.

2. Leave them be for several seasons, taking samples of every generation. The plants would be allowed to breed naturally.

3. See which version wins out.



IDers are so cute when they play dress up:




KC



Date: 2009/09/21 08:03:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Heavens to Betsy, this "debate" just blows.

KC



Date: 2009/09/21 09:58:04, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 21 2009,08:44)
Check out Joseph and his impression of a spoilt 5 year old.

Its classic Joseph.

Hey, Clive. Don't you get it yet? People see Joseph as an official spokesperson for ID. You allow him to harangue posters with questions you'd expect from a child
     
Quote
   A fast cheetah is one with an advantage.

Prove it.

   But a cheetah who is bigger than average is not.

Prove it.

and by default he's one of the "Voices of ID".

Har de har har. Joseph asking for "proof". Even if you supplied "proof" he's ignore it and be asking for the same "proof" in the next thread.

Sumpthin serious wrong with that 'un.

The only proof that would satisfy cakeboy is videocamera  footage from the Cambrian.

Date: 2009/09/21 10:35:57, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 21 2009,10:14)
Quote (KCdgw @ Sep. 21 2009,09:03)
Heavens to Betsy, this "debate" just blows.

KC

well, to be fair, that's about what you expected, right?

Oh yes!

Date: 2009/09/24 13:37:21, Link
Author: KCdgw
Behe's testimony at the Kitzmiller trial. Classic.

Date: 2009/09/26 11:54:47, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 26 2009,11:06)
Quote (Quack @ Sep. 26 2009,06:25)
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 26 2009,00:23)
   
Quote (Touchstone @ Sep. 25 2009,19:55)
Here's the ever-lovely Denyse:

         
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For what it is worth, I have met genuinely humble scientists who brought credit to science – but they were usually experimentalists or medical scientists.



Does she intend to imply that there is any such thing like experimental ID work?
However, I must admit that the relevance of Dr. Dembski's theoretic output surely does not exceed the impact of his experimental endeavors.

Funny, No "ID scientist" that I know of strikes me as humble. Dembski, Behe and the few others, humble is the last word I'd find appropriate.

They know ID is true, what remains is to get past legislation and have it taught in school.

I've heard Behe speak in person, and I have to say that my observation of him is quite in line with this.

He came off as a pompous twit.

Yeah, but he is a veritable saint compared to Jonathan Wells.

Date: 2009/09/30 14:24:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 30 2009,13:47)
Quote
Prior to the "Flood" meat was forbidden and then allowed afterward. See Genesis 9:3.  :D  :D  :D

But wasn't one of Adam's kids a shepherd?

Henry

Um..sheep are domesticated primarily for wool, not meat.

Date: 2009/10/04 10:23:06, Link
Author: KCdgw
This reminds me of that hilarious scene in the movie "Saved", when Cassandra, the only Jewish kid at a Christian high school starts speaking in tongues at an assembly. Or so everyone thinks at first...

during the school assembly, Cassandra stands up and begins yelling in Spanish]
Tia: [thinking] Oh my god, the Jew girl's speaking in tongues!
[Cassandra rips open her shirt]
Roland: She's going to show her boobs! Thank you Jesus!
Patrick: [thinking] She is, she's going to show her boobs!
[looking horrified, Hilary Faye stands up at the podium]
Hilary Faye: She's saying she has a hot pussy!
[the word "pussy" is bleeped out by microphone feedback]

Date: 2009/10/07 06:09:15, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'm confused. So Dembski doesn't think he is the Isaac Newton of Information Theory?

Date: 2009/10/07 14:45:41, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Doc Bill @ Oct. 07 2009,12:04)
I think it's really cute how the IDiots (I'm talking about you, Dembski!) go to great lengths to explain what each other meant, but never, never confront critics directly.

Dembski explains Wells, Wells explains Meyer, Crowther explains West, Axe explains Behe and Behe explains himself scoring an pwn goal.

How come Wells doesn't hop on UD and explain what he meant and discuss it with the sock puppets?

Could it be that the rare time Behe forgot to lock comments he got taken to the woodshed by a GRADUATE STUDENT and had to retract his claim?

I get this vision of Dembski, Behe, Wells, Meyer, Crowther, West, Hunter, Axe and Luskin sitting around in a circle.

It's not a pretty vision.  Rather disturbing, actually.

Date: 2009/10/08 13:12:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 08 2009,12:27)
Barry Arrington files intellectual chapter 11.

Apparently BA wants to simply masturbate in public without extraneous comment.

Date: 2009/10/15 08:24:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
You have to love this:

Doomsday Smith:

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Whatever the actual reason, though, there’s still nothing in thermodynamics for either you or ID in general to latch onto and that poor horse is still stone-cold dead. If it seems like it’s still twitching a bit, that’s only because you keep whacking on it so much.

Date: 2009/10/19 08:35:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 19 2009,04:41)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 19 2009,01:14)
OK. This is rather weird. The names I struck out are those I cannot place in my recollection with anything. Of the others, I can at least fix a particular topic, book or what-have-you. Some I have even lectured on, or corresponded with.

   
Quote
Sergei Chetverikov, Ivan Pavlov, R. A. Fisher, J. B. S. Haldane, Sewall Wright, E. B. Ford, Theodosious Dobzhansky, G. Evelyn Hutchinson, George Gaylord Simpson, G. Ledyard Stebbins, Ernst Mayr, William D. Hamilton, Robert L. Trivers, George R. Price, Robert MacArthur, Edward O. Wilson, Lynn Margulis, Robert H. Whitaker, Carl Woese, Konrad Lorenz, Niko Tinbergen, Karl von Frisch, Erenhaus Eibl-Eibesfeld, or the Hardy-Weinberg Equilibrium Law, much less Otto Schindewolf, Richard Goldschmidt, or C. H. Waddington. Anyone familiar with the general outlines of evolutionary biology would instantly recognize most or all of these names, and would associate them with various important aspects of evolutionary biology as it has evolved over the past century. Not recognizing them or discussing their contributions to modern evolutionary biology is equivalent to not recognizing or discussing the contributions of Rutherford, Bohr, Schroedinger, Heisenberg, Michaelson & Morley, Einstein, Feinman, Gell-Mann, Weinberg, or Guth to modern physics.


I don't know if I stack up too well. 68% of biologists and 100% of phycists?

Allen is also a biologist, so he's probably biased towards the physicists who are well known outside the field.

A couple of his examples are better known as ecologists rather than evolutionary biologists (e.g. Hutchinson, MacArthur).  And if you haven't heard of Schindewolf, track down JAD and ask him to educate you.  I'm also shocked that you've heard of Price, but not Bill Hamilton or Trivers.

Stebbins was one of the architects of the Modern Synthesis, but as a botanist usually gets left out of discussions.

Date: 2009/10/29 08:38:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'm done with this stupid motherfucker.

Dave Wisker:

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born,
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You know Dave, I’ve been lied to so much I really don’t care what evolutionists say anymore it all turns out to be deception when I dig into it (which has been hundreds of times by now,,,, so just cut to the chase Dave,,, show me the money and so me just one experiment where a sub-species bacteria has gained functionality over its parent-species. Or better show some real scientific integrity and falsify Abel’s Null Hypothesis for information generation,,,Shoot you would probably become legendary within scientific circles if you could do that!

Actually, my goal here is far more modest. I’m trying to get you to discuss the actual points made in Art Hunt’s essay, which so far you have steadfastly refused to do. But since you have decided to play the victim card about how all the big bad Darwinists keep lying to you, engaging in further discussion is probably pointless.
Do svedanya.

Date: 2009/11/02 11:01:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
StephenB:

Quote
—-Seversky: [concerning atheists proclivity to abuse sexuality] “As for the rest, it’s none of your damn business.”
Yes it is. Many atheists are not content to simply pervert their own nature. They seek to remake the world in their own image and likeness. Sexual pervert and biologist Alfred Kinsey changed the entire moral landscape by visiting his own sexual dysfunction on the culture with his bogus science. Atheist anthropologist Margaret Mead, adulterer, cooked the books in cultural analysis to create the impression that adultery was far more widespread than it was. Currently, the homosexual lobby is doing exactly the same thing—imposing their morality on the marriage contract itself.


What a tortured soul.

Date: 2009/11/10 08:07:39, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (RDK @ Nov. 09 2009,21:15)
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 09 2009,20:45)
   
Quote
Joseph: All the finches on the Galapagos Islands are considered one species.

No. They're not. Darwin didn't even recognize them all as finches. They were originally determined to be separate species of finch by John Gould in 1837, and they've been considered separate species ever since.

Grant & Grant: The adaptive radiation of Darwin's finches in the Galapagos archipelago stands as a model of species multiplication. The radiation began two to three million years ago, and resulted in 14 species being derived from the original colonizing species ...The role of natural selection and adaptation to feeding niches in the allopatric phase of speciation has been demonstrated repeatedly, Annals of the Missouri Botanical Garden 2006.

Sato et al., Darwin's finches comprise a group of 15 species endemic to the Galápagos (14 species) and Cocos (1 species) Islands in the Pacific Ocean. The group is monophyletic and originated from an ancestral species that reached the Galápagos Archipelago from Central or South America, Molecular Biology and Evolution 2001.



Gould, Birds: Part 3 of The zoology of the voyage of H.M.S. Beagle, 1841.

BUT IT'S STILL A BIRD!!11!!!

Don't you see, Zach?  It's still of the bird species.  That finch will never be a dog; it will always be a bird.

Edit: Whoa.  Something rotten in the water supply over at UD?  And I mean more than usual, because O'Leary's latest post is some mighty strong Tard.

Jerry is simply obsessing on the idea that many of the populations in the Galapagos hybridize, albeit rarely. Therefore they have to be of the same species.

An interesting fact (which jerry also seems dazzled by) is, birds as a group tend to develop genetic incompatibility (hybrid sterility) as a form of reproductive isolation much more slowly than with other groups, like mammals, by a factor of about 10. It's not clear why that is so-- the reason may be develpomental. So avian species possess a large capoacity for hybridization between species.

Why this is of such interest to jerry is beyond my simple mind. What is obvious in birds is, they do maintain enough reproductive isolation (geographic, ecological, etc)to develp not only an astonishing diversity, but enough to keep those diverse populations relatively stable enough for us to recognize and think of them as separate species without having to resort to artificial selection to keep them that way. This means the actual level of hybridization is not high enough to disrupt the diversification. The fact they make take longer to develop hybrid sterility is truly irrelevant.

Date: 2009/11/10 14:16:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 10 2009,12:37)
Quote
jerry: it takes over 20 million years to form a new species

Mark Frank: Where did you get that figure?

Most likely by reading a quote-mine somewhere.

Quote
Prager & Wilson, Slow evolutionary loss of the potential for interspecific hybridization in birds, PNAS 1975:

Birds have lost the potential for interspecific hybridization slowly... it is inferred that the average hybridization species pair diverged from a common ancestor about 22 million years ago. The corresponding period for frog species pairs capable of hybridization is about 21 million years, while for hybridizable placental mammals it is only 2 to 3 million years. Thus birds resemble frogs in having lost the potential for interspecific hybridization about 10 times as slowly as have mammals.

The key phrase is interspecific hybridization (meaning between different species).

Yes, but to tards who slavishly adhere to the Biological Species Concept, it's not interspecific hybridization when it's between members of the same species. Jerry and his ilk think the species of finches in the Galapagos are actually varieties or subspecies.

Not that it matters of course. Just a useful red herring to deceive the laypeople.

Date: 2009/11/11 11:00:36, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Maya @ Nov. 11 2009,09:39)
Quote (keiths @ Nov. 10 2009,21:45)
Uptight Blowhard drops some names:
 
Quote
I truly believe UD should start a talent show. Obfuscation as Performance Art. You and Whisker and Hunt can do a routine. Diffaxial can be your manager. Reciprocating Bill, Keiths, and Maya can be in your banned.

I guess we made an impression on him.  :p

Uptight Dickhead outs himself as an AtBC lurker!

C'mon and post your nonsense here, unless you're as gutless as the rest of the IDiots.

He couldn't even spell my name right.

Date: 2009/11/17 15:23:47, Link
Author: KCdgw
Nakashima nails ba77:

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Just as a side point, do you have any respect for your sources? Your debating style is to flog a source and beat your opponents around the head with it until it is pointed out that you are using a rubber chicken, then you throw it away and move on to the next one.
I just get the impression sometimes that you have the same feeling about them that I do – all sizzle, no steak, all hat, no cattle. But its ok, you’re making it up on volume…

Date: 2009/11/18 10:05:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
I think Blipey's clown terrorizing Dave Scott deserves Notable Mention.



Date: 2009/11/18 16:08:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
I've never looked in on this thread. It's frakking breathtaking.

Date: 2009/11/18 16:17:07, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Doc Bill @ Nov. 18 2009,08:38)
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.

Communist/Satanic Influences in Mr Ed. Sigh.



Date: 2009/11/22 07:45:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Mung finally mentions the 800-pound gorilla in the room in Sal's thread:

Quote
My complaint about your model was that it makes ID supporters look stupid, a complaint I think you should take seriously, considering that I am one myself.

Date: 2009/11/29 11:28:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
I just have to say this to get it out of my system:

jerry is a monstrous douche.  

Thanks.

Date: 2009/12/01 05:05:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 01 2009,01:47)
I'm having a bit of an exchange with Beliefnet columnist and law professor David Opderbeck over the decision in the 2005 Kitzmiller case.

Nice.

Date: 2009/12/07 05:23:23, Link
Author: KCdgw
Clive Baby:

Quote
You know, Seversky, on a personal note, you, quite frankly, epitomize everything that I think is wrong with our current culture.



LOL.

Date: 2009/12/08 17:05:05, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Art @ Dec. 08 2009,16:55)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Dec. 08 2009,06:58)
Clive Hayden answers to a request that is lost in the limbo of moderation:    
Quote
Arthur Hunt,

   Quite completely wrong.

I don’t allow links to that site Arthur, and I have to admit I’m disappointed to see that you post there.

http://tinyurl.com/yzmbgzc

What Clive thought was too dangerous for UD.

Art, the reason Clive banned the link was the potentially embarrassing fact that Moe looks suspiciously like Jonathan Wells.

Date: 2009/12/09 12:47:25, Link
Author: KCdgw
When the tardometer just rockets off the scale:

angryoldwhatthefrak:

Quote
 
Quote
KC wrote:
Polar bears aren't just pretty faces. They are the primary predator of the seal in the Arctic, for example. Removing them could negatively effect fish populations in the area, and other species dependent on the fish in the food web.

If they're predators, there will be more seals. Sounds like more seals for us, especially for the oppressed indigenuous Aleuts. I'm still not seeing a downside to their demise.
Besides, what should the population level of polar bears be? My guess is the only answer we'll hear from the likes of environmentalists/Gaia-worshippers is "more".
Whatever happened to "adapt or die"? Other species adapt – that's how we got where we are. If polar bears can't adapt, then maybe they don't need to be around any longer. And any ecosystem that needs them so much that it can't adjust to their absence should also perish.

Date: 2009/12/11 05:44:48, Link
Author: KCdgw
jerry:

Quote
(I can be an expert on human behavior.)


LOL

Date: 2009/12/11 05:53:41, Link
Author: KCdgw
Tard seen in its very rare, almost crystalline form:

todd:

Quote
I'd add that ID is relevant to climate science because AGW detection is design detection. Indeed, the science is attempting to demonstrate an anthropogenic 'signal' in climate from natural 'noise'.

Date: 2010/01/02 11:37:06, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (socle @ Jan. 02 2010,09:46)
Uh-oh, shit just got real:
 
Quote
I challenge Zachriel to a debate- we each put up $10,000 USD- we get a panel of referees (the loser also pays for the refs and the venue) and have it out.


Everyone knows the only accepted currency for online debates is quatloos.

Date: 2010/01/03 00:42:05, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Texas Teach @ Jan. 02 2010,18:10)
Quote (Maya @ Jan. 02 2010,17:38)
I think $30 is about the same as EUR 20, right?

According to Joseph's taxonomy a dollar is a dollar and a euro is a euro; therefore, Jesus.

According to Byers' taxonomy euros and gyros are more related than euros and dollars because they sound more alike.

Denyse will gladly take payment in euros, dollars, or gyros as long as you buy her book.

MMMM.. Gyros

Date: 2010/01/07 12:07:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
Just in case this gets "gaveled"

Dave Wisker

Quote
Heinrich,
Apparently we aren’t capable of deciding for ourselves whether or not waterbear’s, Mark Frank’s and Hazel’s disagreements with Barry’s interpretation of the article are valid, and must be protected from seeing them.

Date: 2010/01/11 14:12:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
glad to hear youi're on the mend!

Date: 2010/01/11 16:33:57, Link
Author: KCdgw
jerry never fails to amuse:

Quote
There is good reason to think that the fossil record represents most of what has actually existed. From a sampling point of view if the fossil record finds most of what is known today in the fossil record, and it does, why should we expect it to have missed all these other speculated species. The logical answer is that it probably didn’t.




Date: 2010/01/12 17:04:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (RDK @ Jan. 12 2010,15:26)
Coincidentally Broseph trots out the "how many mutations" argument:

 
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58
Joseph
01/12/2010
3:48 pm

Lenoxus,

The very definition of “transitional” and “intermediate” says that a nested hierarchy is not expected from descent with modification.

Darwin “explained” the distinct categories by calling on well-timed extinctions.

As for whales being descended from land animals- how can we test that?

How many mutations did it take?

How can it be measured?

How many transitions were required?


In case my post magically un-creates itself in the near future:

 
Quote
Leviathan
01/12/2010
3:59 pm

Joseph, before I go about answering those questions you’ve posed, would you mind answering a few of mine?

I have a creeping suspicion that you are not a descendant of your proposed grandfather. Unless you can show, with plain and direct evidence, each step in the development process from the fertilization of the egg, all the way through the fetal stages in the womb, and in addition each phase of childhood up through adulthood into this very day, I refuse to believe the silly notion that you are a product of a simple sperm and egg coming together in the body of a female human.

The only thing that would satisfy cakeboy and jerry is a video nano-cam with a strap-on time machine.

Date: 2010/01/18 09:29:17, Link
Author: KCdgw
Cakeboy's new name is "Jim":

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Quote
KC:
ID Guy is 'joseph' at UD.


Except that my name is Jim. If you would like to meet I can prove it.

However KC is Dave Wisker- more than enough said.

Date: 2010/01/18 18:04:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
What Cakeboy (aka 'Jim" on TT) and many UDers resist from coming out and saying is, the only evidence for evolution they will ever accept is that from a video nano-cam with a time machine attachment.

Date: 2010/02/24 12:32:15, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 24 2010,11:59)
Does anyone remember DNAUnion from the ARN days?

I'm starting to miss that guy...

He's not an IDer these days, as I understand.

Date: 2010/02/24 14:09:47, Link
Author: KCdgw
What cracks me up is ID Guy says he'll meet with anyone to prove he isn't Joe. Yet here sits poor Oleg at Johns Hopkins with a spare 20 grand, all lonely, waiting to give it to him should he show up and actually do it.

Date: 2010/02/24 15:27:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
100 quatloos he watches this thread and pops in with a tard-a-gram right after any wagered time limit.

Date: 2010/02/26 12:23:22, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Maya @ Feb. 26 2010,09:16)
Cornelius Hunter is a tard:
Quote
Finally, the evidence suggests the multiple mutations work together. Alone, some of the mutations have little affect on helping the snake resist the tetrodotoxin, but together the mutations have a tremendous effect. The weak mutations alone would have been less likely to have been selected and therefore, according to evolution, essentially simultaneous mutations are more likely to have occurred.


Zachriel is already on his case, but really.  Slight advantages aren't selected for?  Simultaneous mutations are more likely than single mutations?  And this guy is on the faculty at Biola?

An "Ilion" sighting in the comments! One of my bestest favorites!

Date: 2010/02/28 09:18:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Ilion is a fun one. He came up with a "disproof" of evolution (regarding the human chromosome 2 fusion) in some gaming forum years ago), and has been traveling from forum to forum peddling it ever since. His argument has been dismantled several times by different people, but when that happens he just leaves (because he just can't stand "intellectual dishonesty", you see) and finds another where the members haven't seen his pet argument demolished.

Here is a thread on  ARN where I dealt with him, and here is a blog where he tried it again ( a friend who frequents the blog  noticed his presence and let me know).

He is nasty piece of work, but easily refuted. The trouble is, many laypeople are impressed by his 'sciency' schtick.



Date: 2010/03/02 08:31:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 02 2010,08:01)
Quote (Louis @ Mar. 01 2010,11:18)
Has the tardgasm finished? Is Joe sitting somewhere all sweaty and flushed after his tardsturbation?

If so, the Drama Llama has paid the Richard Dawkins Forums a visit. Watch the internets melt down over there. At least it's a more articulate -gasm of some species than Joe's outpourings.

Louis

No asshole- you are still alive and I am sure you have more tard to spew.

Somewhere Pavlov is smiling.

Date: 2010/03/02 10:07:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (olegt @ Mar. 02 2010,10:01)
Joe,

You're wrong.  A planetary nebula is the last stage of a dying star and not the first stage of a solar system.  Solar systems, including their stars and planets, form out of molecular clouds.  Planetary nebulae help disperse heavy elements into molecular clouds.

Pwnage!

Date: 2010/03/02 12:35:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (blipey @ Mar. 02 2010,12:19)
Well, Louis.  I can get pooch to increase or decrease his use of the asshole stratagem, but have never gotten him to expand his area of operation.  It seems you can't teach an old dog new tricks after all.

But you can sure get him to drool on cue like a sonofabitch.

Date: 2010/03/10 21:50:23, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 10 2010,17:26)
[tangent] I went here for fodder [/tangent].

"Roughing up the suspect"! priceless.

"Answering the Bat Phone" Har!

Date: 2010/03/12 08:16:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 11 2010,08:37)
Quote (JLT @ Mar. 11 2010,06:35)
 
Quote (DiEb @ Mar. 11 2010,09:33)
And another comment awaits moderation:
     
Quote
@William Dembski
Amusing thought: the remarkably good performance of the FOO Hamming oracle algorithms for the  Hamming oracle results in a much worse performance of this algorithm for other oracles  - an obvious conclusion of the No Free Lunch theorem.

@Winston Ewert: using the standard notation helps. But at least be consistent - your variance of ES(1+1) is  introduced as the Rachtet Strategy in this paper, and  was called Optimization by mutation with elitism in Conservation of Information.


I'll elaborate on this thoughts here.

There's an editing error at rational wiki, a superfluous "In the most simple of examples using a needle in a haystack" in the Footnotes section.
Otherwise, good work! Have you got a reaction by any of the authors, yet?  
Not that I really expect them to respond to criticism...

Thanks, I corrected it.
I never got any direct response, but some amusing indirect ones:

  • Dembski cried foul on my critique of his problematic article "The Search for a Search"
  • well, the article is delayed - and will look quite  different in print, I suppose

Good grief, what a whiny bitch.

Date: 2010/05/16 08:54:41, Link
Author: KCdgw
How could Hunter get a PhD in Biophysics and be so honestly clueless about Bayesian statistics? Oh wait, I answered my own question.

Date: 2010/05/16 09:39:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe/ID Guy, the gift that just keeps on giving:

olegt:

Quote
ID guy wrote:
Quote
Dr Jones is a professional biologist.


I don't think so, Joe. Jones has a B. Sc. in biology and was studying to become a biology teacher in 2009. Link.


Joe:

Quote
He says he is a biologist…

Date: 2010/05/17 08:18:05, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
the Genius from Keene's opinion


Funny you should mention Keene. When Joe mentioned he had been holding "Intelligent Design Awareness Day" seminars at the local schools, I sent inquiries to the school principal, school board, and local newspaper asking just what Mr Gallien's qualifications were to present such seminars. Not one ever replied.

I think Joe lives in Salem's Lot

Date: 2010/05/20 12:26:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
[quote=Zachriel,May 20 2010,11:58][/quote]
 
Quote
None of this seems relevant to ID guy's reading of Douglas Adams' text.


That's because the IDders -- who need their prose pre-digested and pre-understood for them--cannot comprehend Adam's implicit meaning (added for emphasis):


Quote
The fact that we live[for all practical purposes] at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be, but we have done various things over intellectual history to slowly correct some of our misapprehensions.

Date: 2010/06/03 13:33:06, Link
Author: KCdgw
Pwnage.

ID Guy/Joe:

Quote
Quote
KC- did you go to work or are you reading the book looking for "simultaneous mutations"?
I looked and can't find it.


ID Guy should check out page 109 (my emphasis):

Quote
In order to go straight from regular hemoglobin to C-Harlem, the right mutations would have to show up simultaneously in positions 6 and 73 of the beta chain of hemoglobin. Why is that so hard? Switching those two amino acids at the same time would be very difficult for teh same reason that developing resistance to cocktail drugs is difficult for malaria– teh odds aghainst getting two needed steps at once are the multiple of th eodds for each step haeppening on its own.

Date: 2010/06/03 13:33:46, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 03 2010,10:24)
That "ID Guy" sure links to Joe G's blog a lot...

BFF's.

Date: 2010/06/03 16:28:07, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Be respectful.
Richard has just been diagnosed with terminal scientism.

Dr. Chunk has the cure.



Ewww.....

Date: 2010/06/15 10:20:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Jerry makes an ID prediction
 
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Not to put a fly in the ointment but the ID position in no way rest on the percentage of the non coding DNA that has function. It is certainly greater than zero and probably much less than 100%. The higher this percentage the stronger the ID case is but even if it is relatively low it does not make a dent in the ID argument.

So argue all you want and make it interesting but everyone should keep in the back of their mind that the actual percentage may not affect the strength of the anti ID argument. If the percentage is fairly high then it is a very strong ID case and definitely weakens the anti ID position. If it is relatively low then it no way undermines the ID case nor weakens its position. ID can just not claim this particular point. What we have here is a desperate attempt to make sure the percentage is not high because that would be a devastating blow to the anti ID people. It may not be all that high and it will probably be years before we find out the truth.

This is just a caution to the pro ID people. Do not go to the wall on this. The percentage could be fairly low and the complexity so overwhelming in the actual coding and regulatory parts that it boggles the mind that it could happen by chance. The remaining non functional DNA may be there as a result of an extremely functional process that is very complicated but well designed and which leaves excess DNA as a result.

Tard

jerry's spidey sense is nagging him (by whispering "Dover, Dover" in his ear) about not taking  stands.

Date: 2010/07/14 05:50:41, Link
Author: KCdgw
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StephenB: Still, it seems pretty amazing to me that the micro relationship between electron/nucleus bears a strong resemblance to the macro relationship between planet/star.



Like, maybe our solar system might just be an atom in some kind of giant's body?  

Did anyone else see StephenB trying to hide a bong after he wrote that?



Date: 2010/07/14 09:40:22, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Did anyone else see StephenB trying to hide a bong after he wrote that?

I think he stashed it behind the cardboard pyramid he sits in to write his posts.

I bet his mom just hates going down into the basement.

Date: 2010/07/14 11:24:21, Link
Author: KCdgw
olegt:

   
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Sal: That's about the 5 time at TT you've pointed a severe misunderstanding on my part regarding physics and helped me learn. Thank you again.


Some people never learn.

Date: 2010/07/19 12:45:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
We can haz ID predickshun!

fifth monarchy man:

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I for one have often thought about variability in genome sizes and I think the recent findings are a great opportunity to test the arguement and move forward in this debate.
I offer the following prediction
All things being equal, if two similar organisms have very different genome sizes the larger genome will be found in the organism with the most varied growth conditions.
For example If It is found that Coyotes and Grey foxes have different size genomes I would expect Coyotes to have the larger one because of their more varied diet and habitat.
The same goes for house flies verses fruit flies.
as TP says "lets do science"

Date: 2010/07/19 15:11:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 19 2010,13:56)
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We can haz ID predickshun!

fifth monarchy man:

 
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I for one have often thought about variability in genome sizes and I think the recent findings are a great opportunity to test the arguement and move forward in this debate.
I offer the following prediction
All things being equal, if two similar organisms have very different genome sizes the larger genome will be found in the organism with the most varied growth conditions.
For example If It is found that Coyotes and Grey foxes have different size genomes I would expect Coyotes to have the larger one because of their more varied diet and habitat.
The same goes for house flies verses fruit flies.
as TP says "lets do science"

I'd be interested to hear if this yahoo can tell us why, exactly, this prediction arises from ID "theory". Do we expect this relationship between "varied" growth conditions and genome size based on the THINK, or on the POOF elements of design theory?

I think FMM's idea is, a designer would want to provide organisms that are exposed to wide-ranging habitats or diets more DNA to develop adaptive solutions.

Date: 2010/07/20 11:52:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
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We can haz ID predickshun!

fifth monarchy man:

   
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I for one have often thought about variability in genome sizes and I think the recent findings are a great opportunity to test the arguement and move forward in this debate.
I offer the following prediction
All things being equal, if two similar organisms have very different genome sizes the larger genome will be found in the organism with the most varied growth conditions.
For example If It is found that Coyotes and Grey foxes have different size genomes I would expect Coyotes to have the larger one because of their more varied diet and habitat.
The same goes for house flies verses fruit flies.
as TP says "lets do science"

I'd be interested to hear if this yahoo can tell us why, exactly, this prediction arises from ID "theory". Do we expect this relationship between "varied" growth conditions and genome size based on the THINK, or on the POOF elements of design theory?

I think FMM's idea is, a designer would want to provide organisms that are exposed to wide-ranging habitats or diets more DNA to develop adaptive solutions.

But why did you smack him down so quickly with data? Why not savor the moment and drum up interest?

I think you capped off a huge tard flow too efficiently.

Well, it was the the first actual testable prediction I've seen out of that site, so I got excited. And it's been a fairly respectful exchange, for once.

Date: 2010/07/26 16:25:22, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Read Ham's article, you won't be disappointed.

And to think that DoubleDoctor must swallow it for the sake of the Big Tent ...

[Mental image censored]

One swallow does not a hummer make!

You're a little pun gent today, richardthughes.

It may all come to nothing. We'll just have to wait and see what goes down.

Likely, he has yet to take it all in.

I just can't get my head around it!

I don't think Dembski's going to take this lying down.  He's going to go after Ham with both hands and not stop until Ham is screaming "Oh God, Oh God!".

Now that Ham has blown the whistle on Dembski, I think it's only fair that Dembski should reciprocate.

I think you're being too hard on them.  Stop ramming it down their throats.

But be sure to use some spit-and-polish.

Date: 2010/09/14 06:03:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (keiths @ Sep. 13 2010,20:11)
Uh-oh.  The New York Times has reopened the Weasel wound.

Prepare for much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the UDiots.

The DI has killed the weasel, and now, by constantly chanting its name, has resurrected the corpse:

 



Date: 2010/09/15 18:11:11, Link
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Date: 2010/10/02 09:42:09, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (REC @ Oct. 01 2010,15:57)

My guess is Sal doesn't know what fixation means. He defines it as "Newly appearing good traits in a single individual will rarely get infused (or “fixed” ) into a population" and then goes on about likelyhoods of positive alleles evolving. Dumb. Didn't read the paper, did you?  Anyway, there are a number of reasons why alleles might emerge, but not fix-vigor of a heterozygote, advantage of maintaining diversity, gene flow, etc....

And he is the most grotesquely self-congratulating idiot I've ever seen. My prediction confirmed in Nature, read it and weep. What a jackass....

Sal has had a bromance with Sanford for years. Sanford's lame book makes a big deal about a paper Lynch published expressing concern about mutational meltdown and the fitness of the human population. But what Sanford doesn't mention is work Lynch later did with Susan Estes, where they took lines of C. elegans, saddled them with huge detrimental mutational loads, and found that several lines actually recovered their original fitness levels. So much for genetic entropy. This paper provides a great slapdown when discussing genetic entropy with IDiots.

Estes S & M Lynch (2002). Rapid fitness recovery in mutationally degraded lines of Caenorhabditis elegans. Evolution 57(5): 1022-1030

   
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Abstract

Deleterious mutation accumulation has been implicated in many biological phenomena and as a potentially significant threat to human health and the persistence of small populations. The vast majority of mutations with effects on fitness are known to be deleterious in a given environment, and their accumulation results in mean population fitness decline. However, whether populations are capable of recovering from negative effects of prolonged genetic bottlenecks via beneficial or compensatory mutation accumulation has not previously been tested. To address this question, long-term mutation-accumulation lines of the nematode Caenorhabditis elegans, previously propagated as single individuals each generation, were maintained in large population sizes under competitive conditions. Fitness assays of these lines and comparison to parallel mutation-accumulation lines and the ancestral control show that, while the process of fitness restoration was incomplete for some lines, full recovery of mean fitness was achieved in fewer than 80 generations. Several lines of evidence indicate that this fitness restoration was at least partially driven by compensatory mutation accumulation rather than a result of a generic form of laboratory adaptation. This surprising result has broad implications for the influence of the mutational process on many issues in evolutionary and conservation biology.


Pdf

Date: 2010/11/10 06:06:20, Link
Author: KCdgw
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nullasulas: ""Venturing an ignorant guess" based on the paucity of data provided is the goal of the game. This isn't about making a credible, airtight hypothesis based on adequate data – in fact, that's expressly not the point. Nor is it to offer a correct explanation, because the key bit of data is not only missing, but contains a conclusion that is expressly verboten.


Verboten?  Are your sure about that?

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nullasalus:Yes, I am well aware that GE organisms are common knowledge. Yes, I know that the hypothetical is unrealistic.


I guess I missed the point of his game since he banned me from the thread.  I'm crushed.

There's a reason why he suggested that only IDers participate.

Date: 2010/11/10 07:44:42, Link
Author: KCdgw
The idea behind the thread is to come up with a cartoonish view of evolutionary biologists refusing to admit the verboten explanation that an intelligent agent is responsible for the phenomenon. Apparently it's not polite to point out this would stick out like a sore thumb to any biologist worth a damn.

Date: 2010/11/10 15:45:35, Link
Author: KCdgw
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The modified salmon includes a gene from an eel. Any explanation has to explain that fact.

That requirement is apt to leave them floundering.

Cod happen.

Gentlemen, is this really the plaice for this sort of behaviour?

Louis

Well, not if people are gonna carp about it!

I can't believe what I'm herring. LOLer-Skates.

I shall not be reeled into this undignified pun cascade.

So this then will be your sole reply on this matter?

You all have finally jumped the shark.

I knew something smelt fishy about this thread.

I'm getting a haddock over all this

Date: 2010/11/11 07:39:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
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The modified salmon includes a gene from an eel. Any explanation has to explain that fact.

That requirement is apt to leave them floundering.

Cod happen.

Gentlemen, is this really the plaice for this sort of behaviour? Louis

Well, not if people are gonna carp about it!

I can't believe what I'm herring. LOLer-Skates.

I shall not be reeled into this undignified pun cascade.

So this then will be your sole reply on this matter?

You all have finally jumped the shark.

I knew something smelt fishy about this thread.

I'm getting a haddock over all this

Are you having a wet bream?

I am afraid this is eel-conceived.

I am dolphin*-ly not impressed. Methinks it's just time to clam up. * fish, not the mammal

It all smells of, ick, theology!

Makes me want to tuna-out.

Date: 2010/11/11 07:43:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
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The modified salmon includes a gene from an eel. Any explanation has to explain that fact.

That requirement is apt to leave them floundering.

Cod happen.

Gentlemen, is this really the plaice for this sort of behaviour? Louis

Well, not if people are gonna carp about it!

I can't believe what I'm herring. LOLer-Skates.

I shall not be reeled into this undignified pun cascade.

So this then will be your sole reply on this matter?

You all have finally jumped the shark.

I knew something smelt fishy about this thread.

I'm getting a haddock over all this

Are you having a wet bream?

I am afraid this is eel-conceived.

I am dolphin*-ly not impressed. Methinks it's just time to clam up. * fish, not the mammal

It all smells of, ick, theology!

Makes me want to tuna-out.

And its a crappie thread, besides.

Date: 2010/11/11 10:02:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
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The modified salmon includes a gene from an eel. Any explanation has to explain that fact.

That requirement is apt to leave them floundering.

Cod happen.

Gentlemen, is this really the plaice for this sort of behaviour? Louis

Well, not if people are gonna carp about it!

I can't believe what I'm herring. LOLer-Skates.

I shall not be reeled into this undignified pun cascade.

So this then will be your sole reply on this matter?

You all have finally jumped the shark.

I knew something smelt fishy about this thread.

I'm getting a haddock over all this

Are you having a wet bream?

I am afraid this is eel-conceived.

I am dolphin*-ly not impressed. Methinks it's just time to clam up. * fish, not the mammal

It all smells of, ick, theology!

Makes me want to tuna-out.

And its a crappie thread, besides.

Stop this, you bass tards!

Go fish.

Oh Cod, not again!

For the hallibut, get off your perch and sucker your asp!

Wahoo!!!!!!!!!!

Date: 2010/11/24 09:31:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 24 2010,08:58)
Poor Joe is all alone:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2010....re.html

That's because all the big bad Darwinists are a-scared to venture on his blog.

Date: 2010/12/03 10:48:34, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'd like to see the materials cakeboy uses for his "Intelligent Design Day" presentations at the Keene Public schools.

Date: 2010/12/06 07:47:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
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 And I'm actually a swallower, not a spittler.

Blessed is the swallower. Rawr!

Yes.

And cunnilingus is next to godliness.

Depending on how cunning is the lingus. Same goes for that fella named tio.

And Colonel Angus.

Date: 2010/12/06 08:15:34, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Markf @ 32 and your mask has slipped (long ago, in fact), revealing an intellectually dishonest fool. So there!

This must be another example of UD "civility".  Oddly, it does not appear that Ilion has been banned or even placed in moderation.

You are a hypocritical bitch, Clivebaby.

vjtorley at least responds in the right way:
 
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Markf

I would like to dissociate myself from Ilion’s intemperate remarks. I know you for an honest man, and no fool. Pax.

and gets hit with:
 
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When I read the comments relating to this post I feel like the mask has slipped from Uncommon Descent and its true nature has been revealed. Like vj I believe in calling a spade a spade and the nature that has been revealed is self-righteous and bigoted.
[snip]
The Taliban – who seem to crop up a lot in this debate – also seek to restrict a number of sexual and social practices because they find it wrong for religious reasons. This includes homosexuality of course, and adultery, but is extended to things such as women being educated, men shaving their beards, and even dancing and music. How shall we answer them? By saying our religion is right and theirs is wrong? I think we all know how that debate gets settled.

Ilíon @ 38: “Markf @ 32 [numbers have changed since my original post] and your mask has slipped (long ago, in fact), revealing an intellectually dishonest fool. So there!”

VJTorley @ 43: “Markf, I would like to dissociate myself from Ilion’s intemperate remarks. I know you for an honest man, and no fool. Pax.”

Just as well, I suppose. For I decline to be associated with the likes of anyone so “even-handed” as you have chosen to be.

That *dishonest fool* (that is a redundancy, by the way) spews his irrational bile of leftist talking-points and your response to my “calling a spade a spade” is to tug your forelock, shuffle your feet, and attempt to curry favor with someone who despises you and all you value. Simply amazing!

But yeah, I guess maybe he’s somewhat right in the longer-term, for there does appear to be some self-righteousness on display, just now what he meant.

For lulz, Google "Ilion" and "Intellectually dishonest".

Date: 2010/12/06 11:00:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Does he have a blog? Get him over here, the tool.

Yes.  And here is a sample.

You have to love Ilion's high opinion of his reasoning ability. Oh yes, you see, one of his faults is that he's  too logical.

For a quick, illuminating look at his prowess in reasoning,  I suggest this ARN thread.

Date: 2010/12/06 11:21:33, Link
Author: KCdgw
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And degrees measured in Academbskis.

And its integrity, measured in Luskins.

Date: 2010/12/07 16:27:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
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I've always assumed Ilion is Dembski's sock. His bitter tone and self-righteous and smug certainty sound just like WAD.

(You know at least some of the commentors at UD are Bill's socks--he can't keep aloof, but is surely wanting to maintain what he imagines remains of his reputation.)

He's not WAD's sock, AFAIK. Just another unique personality on teh internetz.



Date: 2010/12/08 11:22:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 08 2010,11:18)
Goethe always makes me think of Joe:

"We do not have to visit a madhouse to find disordered minds; our planet is the mental institution of the universe.”

"The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about"

"Everything is simpler than you think and at the same time more complex than you imagine"

"A person hears only what they understand"

oooh..I like those

Date: 2010/12/10 09:04:51, Link
Author: KCdgw
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To:  vjtorley, Clive Hayden, tribune7, kairosfocus, StephenB, Upright Biped, Shogun, mynymn, allanius, Lamont, andrewjg, and Ilion

Re:  perceived dangers of Teh Buttsex

If it hurts, yer doin it wrong.  

Love,
Hermagoras


[Edited typo]

POTW!

Date: 2010/12/14 16:11:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
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[snip] Hey asshole, science is not done in a fucking vacuum nor on a forum.

[snip]

It was a waste of time putting those experiments on the shuttle then!

 
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Many dealing with ion trap mobilty spectrometry & mass spectrometry. Many more dealing with electronic circuitry and electricity.

I can't get specific as it deals with security. If you can get a security clearance I could show you what I do.

Then there is astronomy. On any given night I can have 3 telescopes pointing skyward. 2 4,5" aps with a 910mm FL(one automated and one manual) as well as a 10" ap with an 1125mm FL.

And that is just the tip of the ole iceberg.

That doesn't count the experiments I conduct in my basement. Some labs would be jealous of the equipment I house & use there.

For example I now know that ticks are more attracted to watermelon rinds then they are to orange peels or orange slices. I also know that dragonflies play.


*points and laughs*

I thought ticks ate blood, why would they care about watermelons?

Much like ID having little to do with the nature of the designer (or so we're told), it doesn't have much to do with the actual biology of the organisms it studies, either.

Date: 2010/12/15 14:57:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Ya know, the problem with using "SI" as an acronym is that in chemistry Si means silicon, and in Spanish, "si" (with an accent) means "yes".

Among other things.


I like that young lady. She seems intelligent.

Louis

and huge... ummm... tracts of land.

Not a bad TATA Box, either.

:::ducks::::

Date: 2010/12/30 13:54:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
My kind of picnic:

Date: 2011/01/01 20:57:19, Link
Author: KCdgw
IDers just can't stand it when you tell them that sometimes they just don't have the expertise to evaluate a scientific claim.

Date: 2011/01/04 16:41:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Go to any American town and be impressed with the number of churches on display


I'll say. You can't swing a dead cat in my (midwest) town without hitting either a church or a bank.

Date: 2011/01/06 03:48:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Oleg:

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Got that? The Bearded Dude made animals before man so that we could classify them. He is so totally right! Imagine how difficult it would be to classify animals that have not yet been made!


And we all know how well that turned out:

God: And here’s the next species, one I’m particularly proud of…

Adam: Beetle.

God: Excellent. Now here’s another…

Adam: Beetle.

God: No, you just named the last one “beetle”. This one is quite different — look at the pattern on the wing cases, and the shape of the antennae…

Adam: Beetle. God: Well, OK, though they certainly look different to Me. Now, the next species is —

Adam: Beetle.

From: The Real Reason for the Fall

Date: 2011/01/06 08:15:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Oleg:

 
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Got that? The Bearded Dude made animals before man so that we could classify them. He is so totally right! Imagine how difficult it would be to classify animals that have not yet been made!


And we all know how well that turned out:

God: And here’s the next species, one I’m particularly proud of…

Adam: Beetle.

God: Excellent. Now here’s another…

Adam: Beetle.

God: No, you just named the last one “beetle”. This one is quite different — look at the pattern on the wing cases, and the shape of the antennae…

Adam: Beetle. God: Well, OK, though they certainly look different to Me. Now, the next species is —

Adam: Beetle.

From: The Real Reason for the Fall

Have you been reading Pratchett's "The Last Continent" lately?

Nope. This has been floating around teh Internetz for years without attribution. Is Pratchet the actual author?

Date: 2011/01/10 17:26:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
ID Guy is either Joe G for sure, or the stupidest douche on the planet for not collecting his 10 grand from olegt by proving he isn't.

Date: 2011/01/11 14:33:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 11 2011,13:28)
Guys, Guys, Guys.

Joe is Joe
and IDGuy is Jim.
They're friends and work together, but for some reason Joe hasn't given "Jim" posting privileges on his blog yet.

On this recent Telic Tards thread, "Jim" is the only commentator:

http://telicthoughts.com/is-there-plenty-of-time-for-evolution/

2 Days later Joe posts this:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2011....on.html


Bonus: Ive just found Telic Tard's 'banned list':

http://telicthoughts.com/the-banned-list/

I'm not on it, even though I am.

And yet "Jim" has never collected his easy ten grand. Like I said, he must be the stupidest douche on the planet. It's not like he can use Dave Scott's "I'm afraid of clowns" excuse to avoid meeting oleg.

Date: 2011/01/19 14:36:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe finally explains his methodology regarding ticks and watermelon:

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For example I now know that ticks are more attracted to watermelon rinds then they are to orange peels or orange slices.


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How do you actually know that?


I basically live in the woods- well my house is located basically surrounded by trees- thousands of trees, bushes, vernal pools, a river down the road and a lake close by.

One day after a cookout I threw the watermelon rinds into the woods. A few days later I was walking the dog and took a look. When I flipped over several rinds they looked moldy- but the molds appeared to move. So I went and got a magnifying glass and took a closer look. The rinds were full of ticks!

Never heard of ticks and watermelon so I had to follow up on this. So I tried other fruit- oranges- in pretty much the same location (a few yards away) and nothing in three days. I removed the oranges and peels and put more watermelon rinds down in that location and a few days later more ticks.

So I dumped a bunch of Ortho Sevin on them- I can't stand ticks.

Now that is what I do to try to rid areas of ticks.

I haven't tried other fruits nor veggies as watermelon seems to do OK for my purposes- getting the ticks in one place and then selecting them for death.

I don't know what that does for my karma though.

Date: 2011/01/25 12:20:44, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (DSDS @ Jan. 25 2011,12:00)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 25 2011,10:44)
Quote (mrg @ Jan. 25 2011,10:25)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 25 2011,10:23)
I bet myself a chocolate milkshake that 'clast never shows.

I dunno.  The guy just can't shut up.

either way I win.

Yea, kind of like the argument the atheist guy makes:  If no new gene is produced, I win.  If a new gene is produced, I win, just because.  No matter what example is provided, there is always some reason why it isn't good enough.

T-URF13 reduced him to stalling for time.

Date: 2011/01/25 15:29:57, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 25 2011,15:13)
"data + context -> information:
  Oven 3 chamber temperature is now 325 F.

information + context -> knowledge:
  Oven 3 is within band (320 - 330)."


I love how knowledge is less precise than information!

DURRRRRRRRRR. He's good at making stuff up, though.

This reminds me of something I wrote up oN ARN once to show how duplication and recombination could result in an increase of information:

Consider a partial grocery list for a 4th of July Picnic:

1 gallon bottle spring water

2 1-Liter Bottles Orange Crush

1 pound sliced Virginia ham

1 pound sliced Provolone Cheese

1 melon




Now consider a duplication occurring for the word "water", and a recombination of "water" and "melon" to produce this:

1 gallon bottle spring water

2 1-Liter Bottles Orange Crush

1 pound Virginia ham

1 pound sliced Provolone Cheese

1 watermelon

The second list has additional, novel, specified (oh how the creationists love specified information!) information ("watermelon" is more specific than just "melon"), and this specified information was produced by duplicating and recombining information that already existed.

There is also a decrease in uncertainty.

Date: 2011/02/14 10:20:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2011,09:38)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 14 2011,02:27)
Can't help still glancing in on the off chance of an ID breakthrough by the denizens of TT. This thread by Bilbo is a cut above the usual. The projection of Feynman's "Cargo Cult Science" is rich but I just love Nick Matzke's put-down to Mike Gene!

     
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My argument that Mars has two moons because that idea gives me a warm fuzzy feeling might be correct, in that Mars has two moons, but that argument is not therefore justified.


link

Having read that thread - 2 comments.

1) They aren't getting smarter
2) ID Guy certainly isn't Joe G. 0_o

Are you saying there are two IDer's who are masters of the "I know you are but what am I?"  style of argumentation? Holy frak.

Date: 2011/02/14 10:44:40, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 14 2011,08:37)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 11 2011,12:46)
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 10 2011,12:14)
 
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and amphibians in the southeast US.


Did you misidentify Newt Gingrich again?

Worse, I failed to identify about 60 species of fish and amphibians. Brain lock at the second station, I began to fixate on the 90 second clock, and it was all bad after that.

1st year calculus. Night class. Crazy girlfriend. Cadaver for a prof.  Bombsville.

The infamous "Rodent ID" exam in Mammalogy. After a few minutes, the damned things all began to look alike.

Date: 2011/02/15 08:00:38, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 15 2011,06:08)
Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 13 2011,21:38)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 13 2011,17:26)
Actually, in the stuff that passes as literature in the fundamentalist community, I've seen at least a couple of reports of NDEs where the victim claims to have briefly been in hell. These are used to counter the New Age kinds of claims of generic sweetness and light in the hereafter.

There was an explanation either here or on PT a while back about seeing light when you're dying, to the effect that optic nerve responses are wired backwards, i.e., no signal (default) is interpreted as light, and signal means "It's dark!"

Two members of my close family had near death experiences.

My father claimed that he looked down upon himself and the medical staff around him, before rejoining his body.

My mother's mother thought that she met Jesus in hers.

I do not think that either of them lied, but I doubt that their experiences are accurate expressions of reality.

Do Christians experiencing NDE's ever see Vishnu, or Mohammed? Do Muslims ever see Jesus?

Date: 2011/02/15 13:29:46, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Bing @ Feb. 15 2011,13:03)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 14 2011,18:08)
Strangely (or perhaps not), all the sympathetic stories are making me feel a lot better about it.

Y'all rock.

Research Methodology.  The instructor was a freak who had only completed at PhD.  (He had quit college after 1st semester in his freshman year, bummed around in the computer labs for the next year and a half and upon his return went straight into the PhD program)  He believed that it was more sensitive statistically to set a brutal exam and scale up the results to achieve the appropriate mean and standard deviation.  6 hours into the 3 hour exam (7-10pm so it was now 1am the next day) he kicked everyone out of the room.  I believe my raw score was in the high 20's but it scaled out as a B+.

The worst part was the bars all closed at 1am so we couldn't even go for 10 drinks when the exam 'ended'.

There was a legendary (and most likely apocryphal)  Physics prof at Cal who gave an exam in his Honors course strictly on the curve. There were 5 students in the class: One scored 98%, three scored 99%, and one scored 100%.  Grade distribution: A: 1 C: 3 F: 1

Date: 2011/02/16 09:08:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 16 2011,06:31)
I just gotta say that whoever invented the word tardgasm, and applied it to a thread for Joey, deserves the award for Metaphor of the Year (at least). Maybe mastardbation would actually be more apt, since Joey seems to be lacking any partners in his efforts, but tardgasm just sounds perfect.

Carry on.

The way his posts appear in spluttering spurts just completes the image.

Date: 2011/02/24 10:44:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Mazur's interview with Lewontin is a hoot. He makes her look like an idiot, only politely. And, in classic Dunning-Kruger mode, she is completely oblivious.

Date: 2011/03/02 05:40:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
LOL

ID Guy:

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Mmmmmmmm, Ann Coulter


JAD:

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I don't agree with her on alot of things but I just love her wit and humor.
She's also good looking. Is she married?




Date: 2011/03/02 16:17:44, Link
Author: KCdgw
He's desperately trying to salvage his point. The study (and the topic) isn't about convergent evolution. It's about isolation, divergence, and complementation.

Date: 2011/03/03 15:31:20, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 03 2011,15:24)
Linky to blog, please.

Seconded

Date: 2011/03/07 13:29:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
O'Leary writes:

 
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Would PZ Myers like to try desecrating the Koran, as he did a Catholic host (communion wafer)?

Mmm. That’s what I thought. “Transgressive” is fun when no one hits back. The Catholic Church didn’t, nor will David Brooks.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-islam

Can some of the unbanned correct her?

Date: 2011/03/08 08:27:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
Aw, c'mon, Oleg. Admit it--you secretly want to see  how angryoldfatman does it with venn diagrams.

Date: 2011/03/09 09:11:25, Link
Author: KCdgw
You guyz just don't get what Joe is doing by talking about feces. He is running linguistic experiments in his basement to hybridize "Water Closet" and "Loo".

Date: 2011/03/11 04:42:57, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
for bonus points read StephenB whining about how he is such an obstinate blinkered prick that no one wanted to talk to him wwaaaaaaaahahhhhahahahahahahahahahaha


To be fair, nobody wants to approach, let alone talk to,  anyone showing up in a JoeG cape and briefs with "Right Reason" printed on the fly. Obstinate blinkered prick or not.

Date: 2011/03/11 12:53:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 11 2011,12:19)
I am in awe of Mathgrrl.

*applauds*

I love the way she got vjtorley to buy a shovel and enthusiastically dig his own grave.

Date: 2011/03/14 09:58:48, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Is the response:

a) Oleg is right - to the lab, guys!
b) That's what I mean about critics being all down on us and shit...



I'm suprised they don't hit the lab. After all, they could all hang out in Joe's sate-of-theart basement. Besides, science is easy. Don't need to know all that genetics and stuff. All you need is to be able to spell "epigenetics".

It never fails to amaze me how much these guys think they know about biology.

Date: 2011/03/17 08:29:00, Link
Author: KCdgw
Joe:

 
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So what would oleg do if I and Jim showed up at John Hopkins and showed hom our IDs? Would oleg pay up?  No.


"Jim" prepares his ID to present to oleg:

Date: 2011/03/18 08:50:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Unintentionally Humorous Post of the Week:

johnnyb

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Sometimes I think the response to ID is because it is so far outside the normal mode of thinking, people don’t understand it, even after detailed explanations.







Date: 2011/03/24 07:51:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
I love how Mathgrrl has calmly, methodically, and ruthlessly pwned Unrighteous Butthead.



Date: 2011/03/27 00:31:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 26 2011,23:41)
Elsewhere in the world of Mung, from ARN, illustrating the general concept of Mung's time being valuable and his hating to waste it, as well as the inability of the anti-evolution crowd to ever make a simple admission of error:

     
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Mung: Where in the paper do Montanez et. al claim that evolution is 'unguided?' I can't find it.

Escherichia: It is in the abstract.

Mung: So you agree it's not a claim they make in their paper.

Me:  An abstract is an integral part of a paper (so a claim in an abstract constitutes a claim in the paper).

Mung: For the sake of argument, let's say you are correct. To wit, a claim in an abstract constitutes a claim in the paper.

Mung has even begun digging up Walter ReMine's corpse again over at Telic Thoughts:

 
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Is that the same G.C. Williams who wrote:

 
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In my opinion the [Haldane's Dilemma] problem
was never solved, by Wallace or anyone else.


Which isn't surprising. He has been ReMine's devoted cabana boy for years, long before ARN.

Date: 2011/03/27 06:10:08, Link
Author: KCdgw
JemimaRacktouey flays Gordon open like a trout:



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KF: Thus, once we have gene duplication, we have already had something that regulates and expresses replication, which is itself going to be FSCI-rich, if the just linked diagrams are any indication.

Ah yes. Such a complex system would by definition have loads of FSCI, so much so that there’s no actual need to put a figure on it. It is FSCI-rich. Funny how my bank manager wont’ accept my claims of being “money-rich” without me putting a figure on it.
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That implied capacity, BTW VJT, is what seems to be pushing you over the threshold of CSI when you have such a duplication.

Odd how we can go over the threshold of CSI when so far all we know about the amount of CSI is that it’s a “rich” amount.
Your slight of hand has been noted. No need to calculate CSI if you know it’s there. And if CSI is present that’s a reliable indicator of intelligence. Talk about assuming your conclusions!

Date: 2011/03/27 08:22:27, Link
Author: KCdgw
It's as if each of them never bothered to actually learn what ID was all about, assuming that the  other guy had it covered. Priceless.

Date: 2011/04/14 07:51:50, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 14 2011,07:47)
Quote (noncarborundum @ April 14 2011,13:37)
Quote (Louis @ April 14 2011,04:58)
 
Quote (Henry J @ April 14 2011,03:18)
   
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How does a 52 year old guy fight in Iraq???Unless he's a friggin general

Between Iraq and a hard place?

Is that the worst pun ever or am I stoned? I asked my wife to read it and she said its terribleness boulder over.

Louis

That's a gneiss way of putting it.

I disagree. That's a pile of schist!

These puns are slated for greatness.

Date: 2011/04/24 21:39:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
Good grief. The Nick PT Thread and the cluster-fuck over at Coyne's blog makes me wonder if we need to pick our own damned meltdown day.  

But hey. Dawkins signed my original copy of The Selfish Gene so all y'all bitches can go suck it.

Date: 2011/05/01 06:56:17, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Hermagoras @ April 30 2011,12:04)
 
Quote (olegt @ April 30 2011,11:59)
Joe cracks me up. In his little world, he lectures evolutionary biologists about nested hierarchies and tells physicists how to measure information. The guy has encyclopedic knowledge.

But wait! There's MOAR. In a new post he writes about Hermagoras:
       
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The equivocation is all dave's as IDC only exists in the minds of the willfully ignorant.

Methinks dave doesn't understand the qord equivocation.

Hahahaha! HAHAHAHA!

It's true.  If you want to understand the word equivocation, the last person to ask is a rhetoric scholar.


Expertise is overrated.  

 
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The rise of Idiot America...represents the ascendancy of the notion that the people we should trust the least are the people who know best what they're talking about. In the new media age, everybody is a historian, or a scientist, or a preacher, or a sage. And if everybody is an expert, then nobody is, and the worst thing you can be in a society where everybody is an expert is, well, an actual expert.


-- Charles Pierce, Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free



Date: 2011/05/02 05:24:32, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (olegt @ May 01 2011,14:59)
And having told us that he does not understand Shannon information, Mung pontificated thus:
   
Quote
Schneider assumes that the binding site starts with no information content because he starts with a randomly generated sequence of bases at the binding site.

After a binding site has “evolved” to the point that it can be recognized, he then measures the information content (at the binding site – as the reduction in uncertainty) and subtracts his “before” and “after” to calculate his information “gain.”

But again, that’s not how Shannon Information works, imo. With Shannon Information you can’t get a gain in information. (And do you get a gain in information by a reduction in uncertainty?) Am I just way off base?


Yeah. By, like, a mile.

Mung is one of my favorite IDC's. He is a die-hard acolyte of Walter Remine, but doesn't understand anything ReMine has written, as the following hilarious exchange revealed:  
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If you substitute one allele over another, you replace the old with the new. We are talking about allele substitutions, after all. Surely that doesn't have to be pointed out to you.

KC


Actually it does need to be pointed out to me :).

You are talking about substitutions. I am talking about increasing the number of copies of an allele. It is my sincere opinion that Walter ReMine's paper is also talkiung about increasing the number of copies of an ellele.

I have no intention of being difficult or incapable of being convinced on this matter, so please feel free to express yourself if you think that is actually the case.

I hope that I have already demonstrated that I can be corrected, e.g., on the issue of whether Walter's paper was unworthy of publication.

While you are talking about substitutions and replacement, that is NOT the primary contribution of ReMine's paper. And this is just one factor which sets Walter's paper apart from anything which preceeded it.


Mung, the entire subject of Walter's paper is the cost of substitution:  

 
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This paper focuses on a specific cost: the cost of substitution (p.114).


I don't know how more specific Walter can get for you.

 
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[I hope it's not necessary to say this, but I am not Walter ReMine, lol! Nor am I a "mouthpiece" for Walter ReMine. I am merely an acolyte ;)]


Well, since you don't seem to have read what Walter wrote, you probably aren't Walter. But you really need to relax a bit and understand that we are discussing a paper that claims to have relevance to evolution. Besides, you will remember (or maybe not, given the above,) ReMine wrote:

 
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Evolution requires the substitution of traits into a population
.

So, do you need any more quotes (I could quote the title, for example where the word substitution occurs)? Would a word count be useful?  

 
 
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The primary concern of ReMine's paper is not what is necessary to replace the "old type" with the "new type."



Yes it is, or substitution would not occur.

 
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The primary focus of Walter's paper is in what it take to get from A to B where both A and B are expressed in terms of ONLY the "new type" and the number of copies of the "new type."


If the new type simply increases in number, and does not  do so at the expense of the old type in the population, substitution will not occur. The reproductive rate of the new type must be higher (that's where the 'excess' comes in) than that of the old type. As I hinted earlier, one can express the substitution only in terms of the new type, but only by 'redefining' the old type away.

Let's take an example, and use Walter's non-standard notation from his book (for nostalgia's sake):

Consider a trait P which is being substituted for trait Q in a population of size S.  In this scenario:

P + Q = S.

Now, can we talk about the substitution only in terms of increase in P, say by defining Q as S - P? Is that truly eliminating Q from consideration, or are we really only making an algebraic substitution? We can talk about increases in P only, but for the substitution to occur, S-P has to eventually equal zero at some point. The only way for that to happen is when the number of individuals of the old type are gone, whether  you express their numbers as Q or S-P. An algebraic substitution is not much of a relevation, Mung. And that basically is what you are trying to say is the heart of ReMine's paper, whether you realize it or not.      


KC


 [QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Date: 2011/05/10 07:59:59, Link
Author: KCdgw
They have learned cunning. But that's about it.

Date: 2011/05/10 09:26:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
How is Stratus 'working with' OM? Why would they discuss anything with him over what looks like an internal matter with an ex-employee? Who is OM anyway?



Date: 2011/05/19 08:44:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
Guys, wily old Joe G has been leading you into a trap. He never said he lived in Keene. He just said he could be  found in (apparently) a parking lot in Keene. See the difference?  See how clever he is? Don't you just feel pwned by such a Clever Dick?

Date: 2011/05/20 11:41:57, Link
Author: KCdgw


Also French. Just sayin'.

Date: 2011/05/20 13:18:51, Link
Author: KCdgw
Not to mention...

Audrey Tautou





and Ludivine Sagnier

Date: 2011/05/20 15:37:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
Ok, all this French has me in a Tonio K mood:

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(mesdames et messieurs, bon soir. this is joan of arc. tonio has asked me to personally deliver a rather special message. he say he just cannot get enough of my 15th-century wisdom. he say he loves it when i talk with him like this. and after many a saturday night of doing ze funky western civilization together, i know for a fact he agrees with me when i say: Tu peux en maquer le boulanger et avoir ton pain. Tu peux te tirer de tous les coups, tous sauf un.*


*you can bullshit the baker and get the buns
you can back out of every deal except one

Date: 2011/05/20 15:44:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 20 2011,10:15)
Quote (midwifetoad @ May 20 2011,10:11)
If duplication doesn't add information, why does KF continue to post?

POTW

Seconded.

Date: 2011/05/24 10:49:00, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Back in "the old days" my future wife and I had an argument about a similar scene from Back to the Future.


OT, but I loved Back to the Future's sly cultural references, especially the fact that one of the knobs on Doc Brown's amplifier was labeled "CRM 114".

Date: 2011/05/24 15:57:00, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
A homogeneous environment is also important, as patchy resources in space and/or time can allow coexistence of competitors.



Overlapping species with similar ecological requirements can also coexist by "niche-partitioning". Diet specialization is one way. We see this in some species of Darwin's Finches, who, when food is abundant, are seed generalists. During drought, however, as the food supply dwindles, the different species avoid competition by specializing-- those with larger beaks seek the harder seeds, leaving the softer ones to the smaller birds.

Date: 2011/05/27 10:43:36, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (J-Dog @ May 27 2011,09:26)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ May 27 2011,09:16)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 26 2011,13:16)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 26 2011,13:02)
   
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 26 2011,12:56)
I fink I broke Joe
     
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Go away- you are not welcome here.

Come back if you ever have something to add to the discussion.


Hey, Joe, you know that's possibly the most ironic thing you've ever said?

Every now and then he has a hissy with the only person on his blog talking to him. He'll get lonely, then come over here, get owned here and then retreat back to his blog.

The asshat has banned virtually everyone from his blog.  All he has left are his socks now.

Joe, Joseph, Josephine, John, Johnny, Johnette, Jack, Jim, Jimmy and James?

Don't forget the Southern Branch of the Joe Tree:

Joe Bob, Billy Joe, Bobby Joe, Joey Joe, & Beauregard Joe*.

Just as dumb as the Northern Joe's, but they talk slower.

* Not related to the RAS Joe Clan.

Don't forget the Western Ponderosa clan: Little Joe

Date: 2011/05/27 11:11:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 27 2011,10:53)
Bonus JoeTard - if the definition of something contains "PLUS", it's a positive case!

http://www.blogger.com/comment....1732608

:D

Joe is a disturbingly apt example of the power of recombination to concentrate teh stoopid from both parents in one individual.

Date: 2011/05/27 15:00:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 27 2011,13:53)
Oh I has had a funs with joe today!



It's not nice to make fun of the afflicted.

Date: 2011/06/03 15:53:34, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Well, to be honest, I lived for 1.5 years in Warrensburg, MO


UCM (formerly known as CMSU)?

Date: 2011/06/03 16:05:39, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (BillB @ June 03 2011,14:03)
mung & co confess to bestiality:
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Could a human and another primate breed, and if not, why not?

Absolutely, we do it all the time.


Or perhaps he was referring to humans (white people) breeding with primates (black people).

No, it's just Mung trying to be clever in his insufferably smug way. .

Date: 2011/06/03 17:12:44, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 03 2011,16:59)
Quote (KCdgw @ June 03 2011,16:53)
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Well, to be honest, I lived for 1.5 years in Warrensburg, MO


UCM (formerly known as CMSU)?

Yes, indeed.  Central Missouri State University, home of the Fighting Mules.  Where one can get a half-assed education.

I still have my student id card around here somewhere...

I work there.

Date: 2011/06/06 12:20:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Wolfhound @ June 05 2011,23:07)
Quote (xjudgesx @ June 05 2011,21:39)
and girls, please keep your clothes on...

I'm sorry, boys.  Since Crazy Dave told me to keep my clothes on, I will NOT be posting the nude photos of myself.   :(

Probably for the best. Can't have Joe G adding you to his spank-bank.

Date: 2011/06/06 22:50:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
The new half-speed mastered, remixed, vinyl version of the album Foxtrot on the  Genesis: 1970-1975 box set. Better than the Japanese pressing I have. The remix is subtle, not harsh or jarring. The result is much warmer detail. Very tasty.

Date: 2011/06/08 11:32:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
Yet another ID whiny bitch.

Date: 2011/06/10 15:38:27, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote
Not the visible spectrum from red to violet, dumbasses. The visible spectrum from black to white


So, what color is next to white?

Date: 2011/06/14 10:46:53, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 14 2011,10:06)
Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ June 14 2011,10:00)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 14 2011,15:54)
 
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It won't impress the low level IDiots, like tsmith, but it represents a fact that the UDers have to face and somehow get around on a daily basis. It seems to be driving Gil, especially, bonkers.

That's probably a short drive.

(Did I say that?)

It's definitely just a putt.

Trying to get the ball rolling on some pun cascade, I see. I know how it is, I'm a member of the club. let's have it rough!

That's just not cricket.

This isn't bowling me over.

Date: 2011/06/14 16:17:10, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (BillB @ June 14 2011,15:13)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 14 2011,21:07)
Word Salad of TKI.....
   
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g –> It further documents a pattern of irrationality: making a self-refuting epistemological claim on the begetter of knowledge, confusing a question-begging censoring a priori imposition of materialistically redefined science for a self evident truth about the world and accessing truth about it, imposition of a censoring a priori.

Thats what I call 'incoherent with rage'

Lactating with rage, more likely.

Date: 2011/06/15 16:15:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Driver @ June 15 2011,10:56)
Tim Cooper emailed me back to say that he was going to reply on the UD thread "Recent papers confirm that genetic entropy decreases fitness" to clarify what the paper actually meant.

Hopefully it will get through moderation soon.

All one has to do to counter that Genetic Entropy nonsense is to mention that study by Estes and Lynch where they seriously degraded populations of Tribolium with deleterious mutations, then sat back and noticed that many of the populatioins not only eventually regained their original fitnesses before the degradation, but improved (probably due to compensatory mutations).

If Genetic Entropy is true, that should never happen.



Date: 2011/06/15 20:34:18, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 15 2011,20:22)
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Quote (KCdgw @ June 15 2011,14:15)
All one has to do to counter that Genetic Entropy nonsense is to mention that study by Estes and Lynch where they seriously degraded populations of Tribolium with deleterious mutations, then sat back and noticed that many of the populatioins not only eventually regained their original fitnesses before the degradation, but improved (probably due to compensatory mutations).

If Genetic Entropy is true, that should never happen.

Could you provide a citation?

A Google Scholar on +Estes +Lynch +Tribolium returned zilch.

Thanks.

I think it may be this one

RAPID FITNESS RECOVERY IN MUTATIONALLY DEGRADED LINES OF CAENORHABDITIS ELEGANS

Yeah, that's it. I was in a hurry, got the species mixed up. Thanks, OA.

It always makes the Sanfordistas froth at the mouth.



Date: 2011/06/25 11:42:16, Link
Author: KCdgw
If they spent as much energy recycling useful things as they do their inane arguments we wouldn't have to to give a tinker's damn about foreign oil.

Date: 2011/06/27 15:55:12, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Joe is now calling oleg "cupcake", something I've called Joe in the past.


I sense Chunkdz breathlessly cracking his knuckles and getting his quills and inkpot ready for some fanfic.

Date: 2011/06/27 16:02:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
Jonathan M is a biologist??

Date: 2011/06/28 14:41:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 28 2011,13:22)
There had to have been some really damning shit in those files.

Like the fact the "talk" Stein was supposed to be giving was completely staged.

Date: 2011/06/28 17:58:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
Paraweenies and creationists alike luvz dere John Bell.

Date: 2011/06/29 08:42:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Mung is very confused.


That is far too charitable a description.

Date: 2011/06/29 14:11:03, Link
Author: KCdgw
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I've heard these "salvation" stories before. They almost always distort the "Before" pic.




They all want to everyone think they've been given a Road-to-Damascus-style revelation. The more evil and pathetic they can paint their previous lives, the better.

They remind me of that vampire in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"  who bragged about having been present at the Crucifixion. To which Spike retorted, "If every vampire who said he'd been at the Crucifixion had actually been there, it would have been like bloody Woodstock", or something to that effect.



Date: 2011/07/03 13:31:28, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (fnxtr @ July 03 2011,01:29)
Okay, let's be fair: maybe Chunkotard just confused spectrum with intensity.

Or maybe he was sick that day in 9th grade physics when the prisms were handed out.

No. It was simply chunk being an intellectually dishonest douche. Redefine "visible spectrum" on the fly, you see, and   you can call your opponents dumbasses for not reading your tiny mind.

Date: 2011/07/04 13:42:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (paragwinn @ July 04 2011,11:58)
Welcome to Sprockets with your host, Dieter.
Our topic - UD News reports that epigenetics has struck '[a]nother blow to the “it’s in yer genes” industry'

Today's guest is Dr Elizabeth Liddle:      
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And another straw man bites the dust!

This isn’t exactly news, news!

Dieter:      
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You become tiresome, EL.

Now we dance.

You certainly don't want to touch his monkey.

Date: 2011/07/07 15:51:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Patrick @ July 07 2011,15:39)
Quote (Freddie @ July 07 2011,16:27)
mung could be next in line for a visit from the loudspeaker in the ceiling.  He's managed to piss off both batshite and Ilion in the past few days, now he's gunning for StephenB by channeling PaV:

I've come close to calling Poe on Mung several times over the past few months.  Even if he's not an agent provocateur, he's at least more interested in stirring up the rich organic matter of which UD is formed than in constantly and publicly praising the designer.  He also seems to have something resembling a sense of humor, which makes him an anomaly among creationists.

Mung is not a Poe.

Date: 2011/07/09 12:53:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
I'm familiar with it. There have been several supposed finds of  "precambrian" pollen: one in the Grand Canyon by a creationist named Burdick, one in the Salt Range of the Punjab, and the one discussed here, in the Roraima formation in South America.

The Burdick claim was shown to be modern contamination due to extremely sloppy technique. Contamination is the most likely explanation, since both sites are in some of the most complex geological formations in the world. It's interesting that no such finds ever occur in more normal, stable precambrian formations. Another possible explanation is misidentification. One popular creationist claim was that a paleozoic angiosperm fossil was found  in 1923 (angiosperms didn't begin showing up until the Cretaceous). It was subsequently shown to be something else, after other experts took a look at it.

Color me skeptical



Date: 2011/07/09 19:07:30, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Kristine @ July 09 2011,16:17)
Interesting that there would be "pollen" but no flowering plants. I'm still wondering how they outran all of the ferns, (apparently to escape the Flood!). :)

Yeah, funny how creationists simply fall silent when we point out that flowering plants were created on Day Three of Creation Week, yet only appear in the "Flood strata" so much later.



Date: 2011/07/09 22:44:29, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Lou FCD @ July 09 2011,19:32)
Point here is that although it would still be a pretty big deal to find fossilized pollen in the pre-Cambrian geologic strata, angiosperms were not the first pollen producers.

That's true, Lou; however I think the pollen found was believed to be that of angiosperms. They did find spores as well.

Date: 2011/07/10 12:28:37, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Seversky @ July 10 2011,09:12)
Perhaps this wasn't pollen at all but tiny little rabbit droppings.

Of course, this would raise the question of what the rabbits ate to produce the droppings.

Raisins?

Date: 2011/07/13 11:55:11, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Henry J @ July 13 2011,11:15)
There's the phrase once used by Murray Slaughter to describe a conversation he had with a coworker: "a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent".

Bringing a rubber chicken to a cockfight.

Date: 2011/07/15 16:41:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
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Unpleasant Blowhard, wordsmith:
                   
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It seems as though you asked for an operational definition, then got one, then later found out what kind of dynamic structure would be required for such a phenomenon to exist, and have since gone on a rant to eviscerate yourself from the position you are in.

Apparently, it wasn't clear to her what his argument entrails.

That's my gut feeling as well.

Is that colon intentional?

I hope there's not going to be another nested pun-fest. I couldn't stomach that

(Here incorporate AtBC policy on nested puns as an appendix to the above.)

That would be quite a tract.

I villi think this is not a good idea.

Butt colitis get on with it.

My reflux is not to ruminate on this tripe.

Is this the right time to point out that the ID folks should spend less of their time in theorizin' and more intestine?

Maybe we should spleen that to them.

Bile means keep on with the alimentary witticisms. This must be that polyp fiction people speak of. Don't let it get too serosa, though.

Just duodenum others as you would have them duodenum you.

Maybe at this point we should liver be?

Naah, we just need some authoritative advice on how to deal with it. I'm sure the Army can supply a G.I. Tract on the subject.

That's it? Shit.

That's right.  What he means is the Army can supply a Jack Shit Tract - rather than a Jack Chick Tract - because that's what they really know about anything.

What gall.

Date: 2011/07/16 08:03:31, Link
Author: KCdgw
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It seems as though you asked for an operational definition, then got one, then later found out what kind of dynamic structure would be required for such a phenomenon to exist, and have since gone on a rant to eviscerate yourself from the position you are in.

Apparently, it wasn't clear to her what his argument entrails.

That's my gut feeling as well.

Is that colon intentional?

I hope there's not going to be another nested pun-fest. I couldn't stomach that

(Here incorporate AtBC policy on nested puns as an appendix to the above.)

That would be quite a tract.

I villi think this is not a good idea.

Butt colitis get on with it.

My reflux is not to ruminate on this tripe.

Is this the right time to point out that the ID folks should spend less of their time in theorizin' and more intestine?

Maybe we should spleen that to them.

Bile means keep on with the alimentary witticisms. This must be that polyp fiction people speak of. Don't let it get too serosa, though.

Just duodenum others as you would have them duodenum you.

Maybe at this point we should liver be?

Naah, we just need some authoritative advice on how to deal with it. I'm sure the Army can supply a G.I. Tract on the subject.

That's it? Shit.

That's right.  What he means is the Army can supply a Jack Shit Tract - rather than a Jack Chick Tract - because that's what they really know about anything.

What gall.

I don't find this conversation at all humorous.

I don't know about you, but it boweled me over.

Me too. But I find it all rather hard to digest.

Pfft. I see that my own comment on this got skipped over. I'm gutted.

You don't need to get anal about it

I thought there were strict forum rules about this sort of thing. But I see you've rectum

Don't be an ass. This isn't Sunday stool. (Oh, how will we ever eviscerate ourselves from this pun cascade?)

It's got its own omentum

With a fistula of dollars.

Date: 2011/07/22 11:49:20, Link
Author: KCdgw
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That man unorganized grabastic piece of amphibian shit truly is clueless...


There. Fixed it for you.

Date: 2011/07/31 21:38:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Patrick @ July 31 2011,12:23)
William Roache hits Mung where it hurts:
 
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Mung,
 
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Don’t hold your breath waiting for that retraction. It could happen, but right now it’s not looking very likely.

Indeed. As we can watch before us you twist “facts” to suit yourself and as such there is never any need to retract what has now become true.

It’s obvious to all that your interactions are not intended to expand anybody’s understanding but rather to score points in some pointless game you are playing. A game that will sooner rather then later end up with just one player.

I expect you are used to solo activities however.

Mung has suffered from premature accusation for a long time. Old timers will recognize him as the Walter ReMine ass licker "scott@home" on Talk.Origins.

Date: 2011/08/02 06:05:55, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (sparc @ July 31 2011,01:28)
Can anybody be dumber than deNews:      
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Duesberg has a history with respect to the AIDS virus. We knew we’d heard the name somewhere.
Indeed:
Baumann E et al. (1995) AIDS proposal. Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis. Science 267:945-946      
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In 1991, we, the Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis, became dissatisfied with the state of the evidence that the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) did, in fact, cause AIDS.

Specifically, we have proposed that researchers independent of the HIV establishment should audit the Centers for Disease Control's records of AIDS cases, bearing in mind that the correlation of HIV with AIDS, upon which the case for HIV causation rests, is itself an artefact of the definition of AIDS. Since 1985, exactly the same diseases or conditions have been defined as "AIDS" when antibodies are present, and as "non-AIDS" when HIV and antibodies are absent. Independent professional groups such as the Society of Actuaries should be invited to nominate members for an independent commission to investigate the following question: How frequently do AIDS-defining diseases (or low T cell counts) occur in the absence of HIV? Until we have a definition of AIDS that is independent of HIV, the supposed correlation of HIV and AIDS is mere tautology.

Other independent researchers should examine the validity of the so-called "AIDS tests," especially when these tests are used in Africa and Southern Asia, to see if they reliably record the presence of antibodies, let alone live and replicating virus.

The bottom line is this: the skeptics are eager to see the results of independent scientific testing. Those who uphold the HIV "party line" have so far refused. We object.

   Eleen Baumann
   Tom Bethell
   Harvey Bialy
   Peter H. Duesberg
   Celia Farber
   Charles L. Geshekter
   Phillip E. Johnson
   Robert W. Maver
   Russell Schoch
   Gordon T. Stewart
   Richard C. Strohman
   Charles A. Thomas Jr.

   For the Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis.

cited from here.

Wasn't Richard Strohman Jonathan Wells's PhD advisor?

Date: 2011/08/11 07:53:52, Link
Author: KCdgw
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So is he still the breadwinner of his family?

Aaaaw, that's so s'wheat!

Sorry, that was a very corny pun...

So you hate this thread so much you triticale it with another punfest?

I do, but it's due to my nature. Every body sesame larious.

Hilarious?   I seed barley any humor at all.

Come on! You oat to be kidding me!

I got nut 'n honey.

Chew on it too long and you get sorghum.

Date: 2011/10/07 10:25:26, Link
Author: KCdgw
We could always contact the Philosophy Department of the University of Woolamaloo:

Date: 2012/02/14 18:19:13, Link
Author: KCdgw
Oh, fuck you, Barry, you megalomaniacal, hypocritical  asshole, and the horse you rode to death here on.

Date: 2012/02/18 12:03:25, Link
Author: KCdgw
Barry:  

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I really like Dr. Liddle. I may have mistaken her stubborn insistence on sticking to her guns (in the face of what I perceive as overwhelming and irrefutable arguments to the contrary) as intellectual dishonesty, and if I did I apologize. Dr. Liddle, I hope you continue to post here. As frustrating as you can be, this would be a boring site if we did not have someone from the other side to joust with. And it is fun to joust with you.

Date: 2012/03/07 05:32:24, Link
Author: KCdgw
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What a quality meltdown by captain guano-mole. Hope he goes 'Internet hardman' soon.

Know what a guaca-mole is?  Avocado's number.

1 mole contains one brazillion molecules exactly.

But surely that would depend on the size and weight etc. of the Brazillian.

Isn't that shaving it a bit close?

I hate it when people wax poetic.

BALD ASSERTION.

Gotta admit, he's got pluck.

You're splitting hairs, Bill!

No harm, no follicle.

That pun was a gem.

...a real pubic zirconium.

With a hairline fracture...

Is Joe a Merkin citizen?

Date: 2012/03/19 13:42:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Kattarina98 @ Mar. 19 2012,04:35)
Our hero is still courageously pushing the frontiers of science towards Disneyland.
 
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ticks are attracted to watermelon

I will prove that again this year- that is they are more attracted watermelon than the dry forrest in which they reside.

Maybe ticks just like the moisture.

Date: 2012/03/25 12:12:43, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 23 2012,23:28)
assocyst is really delivering the yuks on the PT BW right now

and by "delivering the yuks" i mean "even demsbki would call homeland security on this doosh"

ROFLMAO

so much for bozoism

see ya in hell, little joey

Bozo's hero, Robespierre:

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If virtue be the spring of a popular government in times of peace, the spring of that government during a revolution is virtue combined with terror: virtue, without which terror is destructive; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is only justice prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country ..

Date: 2012/04/02 09:57:59, Link
Author: KCdgw


Hey Stoopids! JoeyG is just messing wif youse when he sez insane stuff. Yer welcome.  

Date: 2012/05/12 09:09:32, Link
Author: KCdgw
Barry:

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As usual, StephenB said what I had in mind better than I did.


What a sad statement.

Date: 2012/09/08 21:38:48, Link
Author: KCdgw
I nominate "Ilion", aka Troy D.Hailey, for the specialty "Wandering Jew" award, for migrating from forum to forum, like an unwelcome Gypsy caravan, pedding his homegrown "Human Chromosome 2 disproves evolution" theory.

Date: 2012/09/16 09:28:02, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 14 2012,22:12)
thanks for posting the UDoJ link Lou because the original image shack pic is expired and doesn't show up int he thread

goddam that was probably the funniest thing that ever happened on this board.

That graph is all kinds of awesome.

Date: 2012/09/17 22:01:56, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (raguel @ Sep. 17 2012,21:33)
These wild creatures do not have problems with bacterial infections



In all fairness, we know  afDave is talking about the creatures on the Discovery Channel.



Date: 2013/02/07 06:03:58, Link
Author: KCdgw
Guts:

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February 6th, 2013 at 1:16 am
go fuck yourself Chunkdz


Har

Date: 2014/03/26 13:57:14, Link
Author: KCdgw
Quote (Amadan @ Mar. 26 2014,07:12)
Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 25 2014,18:05)
O'Leary has a way to end all this Origin of Life science bullcrap.

Her genius idea is to try to create life in the laboratory. Then, see, when we find that the only way we can, is with a lot of human intervention and conditions unlike the early earth, we'll know life couldn't have come about naturally!

That woman's some kinda Einstein.

Take the materialist idea that 1 + 1 = 2:

Until someone counts all the 1s in the universe, how can they be sure this is true?

Well, smarty-pants Darwinists?


(Whatever about 1s, there's a fair collection of No. 2s over at UD that someone could get started on.)

How do you know it's the right "2"?

Date: 2014/04/14 08:56:54, Link
Author: KCdgw
Mapou:

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Atheists are not a very happy bunch. They remind me of the Taliban in a lot of ways.








 

 

 

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