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Date: 2005/09/21 12:37:38, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Was there even a cognizant statement anywhere in there, or was it just babble?

evopeach wrote:
...superstition veiled by abstruse mathematics...

I guess you've seen ID for the fraud that it is, huh?

Oh yeah, you might want to work on this:
Paragraph Cohesion

Date: 2005/09/21 13:13:51, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Evopeach wrote:
I suggest a good read of Doubting Darwin might enlighten you to the calliber of people who have grave problems with evolution and particularly mutation and natural selection.

It isn't about the "calliber" of people, it is about the substance of their claims.  For example, you can have the best sports team on paper, but if they don't win any games, they're obviously not the best team.  Since these people are of such a high "calliber," Where is the research in the scientific journals?  Where is the Theory of Intelligent Design?  How does the non-cultic, intellectual and rational side you're on explain where the "broken" vitamin-C gene in humans and chimpanzees originated?  Coffee on the blueprints?

You're in here demanding to know how helium turned into a human brain.  While someone could sit you down and explain this to you, Richard Dawkins' "Cosmos" series is a start.  I want to know HOW a lump of clay, rib, magic reed, or the urine and excrement of the gods turned into a human brain, you know, like what processes were involved and how the 2nd law of thermodynamics applied.

Date: 2005/09/22 05:53:15, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Yes, I meant Carl Sagan billion.  Thank you for the response, although none of them were answers to any questions.  I answered your question, I'd appreciate it if you'd have answered mine.  Once again you've failed to provide anything that even resembles a response.  Considering that you are undoubtedly using English as a second language, your responses are still incoherent garbage.  

You said you have two engineering degrees, but you don't have a phD in metallurgy do you?  Coming here and making baseless challenges with your level of education would be like me taking an arc welding course at a local community college and proclaiming to know as much as you about engineering.  Are you aware of how stupid you look when you issue "challenges" to evolution an area in which you have ZERO expertise?

I guarantee that you know things I don't know.  I guarantee  that you are knowledgeable about things on which many of the brilliant posters on Panda's Thumb know next to nothing.  But they have the same edge on you, this IS their area of expertise, they aren't some troll schlepp with a Master's degree in engineering, they are scientists.

For an idea as to how bad your English is, this guys writing sounds ALOT like yours are you the same person?

James Randi Challenge Applications

Date: 2005/09/22 06:57:04, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
You kiss your mother with that mouth?  I have saddlebreds, I don't know where you're from, but around these parts it is not customary to engage in deviant sex acts with animals, so we will leave that to the people of your own home town.

What are your problems with any particular aspect of evolution?  If evolution (stellar, cosmological, biological) fails to answer the questions better than anything else can, what should we replace it with?  Tell me what to replace it with, and how that alternative better serves science.

Date: 2005/09/22 09:02:03, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
evopeach wrote:
Intelligent design or special creation postulates that the creation required the injection of logos, information, cognitive thought, purposeful consciousness from outside the rhealm of time and space by a God or an Intelligent source of immence capabilities.

How will we discover how/when the designer injected information?  Is it important how/when the designer injected the information, and if not is it still science?  How do we determine if it was a purposeful conscientious intelligence and not random panspermia?  Do humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor?  How does the alternative interpret the fossil record, and how would it determine the age of newly discovered fossils?

Date: 2005/09/22 09:34:14, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Ok I am making a logical statement from a Biblical literalists perspective.  I am making a prediction wearing my "Bible glasses" as Ken Ham told me to do.  In the Bible story of the Tower of Babel, people were able to climb up the tower and esentially watch what God was doing several thousand years ago.  If you could do it then, you could do it now.  I predict that we will be able to build a tower into heaven and see what God is doing.

Date: 2005/09/22 09:50:47, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
You can have a much larger soapbox to stand on over at this yahoo discussion group  Since you are apparently banned from Panda's Thumb.  All you need is your yahoo ID, you will be able to post within hours.

Date: 2005/09/22 12:56:04, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
One of the guy writes Balel is a related word in Hebrew meaning "confusion."  This sounds like those Nostradamus interpreters talking about Mabus being George W Bush, see if you flip the M and make this letter silent, yadda yadda yadda.  Any site that speaks of, "this happened so many years after the Flood" probably isn't reliable when it comes to the tower of Babel either.  Seeing as there is ZERO evidence for a global flood.

Date: 2005/09/23 08:54:05, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
roflmao...."The Genesis Flood"......sighs....

Date: 2005/09/27 14:55:43, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
My bookie says abiogenesis would have more favorable odds of randomly happening, than say...a designer with the "basic skill set to create a universe."

Whats with all the 25 year old books you keep talking about peach?  Hasn't anyone done any other christian "science" more recently?

Date: 2005/09/29 10:39:07, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Evopeach:  I really don't see how anything you do/say is in any way inspired by the teachings of Jesus.  I am a lifelong Evangelical Lutheran, and you sir give rational Christians a bad name.  I don't see what your incoherent parroting of various IDC arguments against YOUR OWN IMAGINARY strawman of the ToE does to further anyones cause.  Many more Christians have no problem with evolution than those that do.  The only person I know of that went to he ll (vulgarity filters), was Jesus.  Who else went to he ll that you know of?

Date: 2005/09/29 10:53:38, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Whats with all your made up on the spot probabilites?  I guess thats creation "science" in action.  How can you make demands that have NOTHING to do with biological evolution, but refuse to answer questions about your special Jesus singularity creation extravaganza, and if thats what happened, isn't the probability of it having occured 1:1?  Which is far from being undeterminable as you describe. You have no alternative mechanisms, offer no alternative theory, you just have some stupid helium to the human brain argument, that you call your, "silver bullet."  Guess what?  The emperor has no clothes.

This is an excerpt from Chris Colby's faq at
Evolution is not progress. The popular notion that evolution can be represented as a series of improvements from simple cells, through more complex life forms, to humans (the pinnacle of evolution), can be traced to the concept of the scale of nature. This view is incorrect.

All species have descended from a common ancestor. As time went on, different lineages of organisms were modified with descent to adapt to their environments. Thus, evolution is best viewed as a branching tree or bush, with the tips of each branch representing currently living species. No living organisms today are our ancestors. Every living species is as fully modern as we are with its own unique evolutionary history. No extant species are "lower life forms," atavistic stepping stones paving the road to humanity.

A related, and common, fallacy about evolution is that humans evolved from some living species of ape. This is not the case -- humans and apes share a common ancestor. Both humans and living apes are fully modern species; the ancestor we evolved from was an ape, but it is now extinct and was not the same as present day apes (or humans for that matter). If it were not for the vanity of human beings, we would be classified as an ape. Our closest relatives are, collectively, the chimpanzee and the pygmy chimp. Our next nearest relative is the gorilla.

You sir are a baboon.  Baboon, baboon baboon! ~Lisa Simpson

Date: 2005/09/29 11:13:50, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
peach:  Your month old article you just found at some ID bloggers site, well on the same site they have this: New findings boltster case for ancient human ancestor  I guess it is like the typical creationist to trumpet victory before any science has been done.  Its funny how when dealing with teeth, they aren't good enough for any argument supporting evolution, but all it takes is a few teeth for this IDC parrot to jump around in jubilation at the defeat of the evil darwinists.

Date: 2005/09/30 09:22:36, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
peach:  Of your many verbose responses it is nice to see one that is in any way civil.

When the bible says, "do not eat the sacred raisin cookies"  what am I to do?

When the bible gives me two different orders in which God created life, which am I to believe?

When Jesus said, "If you pray with a love of God in your heart, you can make mountains leap into the sea" does that make him a liar?  Or just make everyone one of the unfaithful?

When Genesis 6 says "there were giants in the earth those days"  are they dinosaurs or are they Nephilum like Og?  If they were like Og, where are their bones?

When I am told, "do not say to your neighbor let me help you with the speck in your eye when you have a plank in your own" what if I see that plank and speck as sin, does that mean we aren't meant to evangelize?

When I pray, I pray to the Christian God, I was raised Christian.  I can only percieve the nature of God as being that which I had learned in the scriptures.  But when I look at the glaring errors and contradictions in the Bible, I ask myself, does God write books?

There is a growing amount of agreement among Biblical scholars that Genesis and Job are the two oldest books in the Bible, yet nobody would percieve that from its organization.

EL or Elohim, means "gods" in Hebrew.  WTF?

Date: 2005/09/30 09:55:01, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
If that statement is so laughable to you, take it up with Chris Colby over at talkorigins.

I think you need serious psychotherapy, or have yourself hooked up to the Super VII Neural Pathomizer or whatver invention that whackjob L. Ron Hubbard invented.

You love to talk about spontaneous generation.  Those creationist scientists responsible for almost all of science (which is true from a certain point of view) also thought eels were spontaneously generated if a horse hair was dropped overboard into the sea.  Then we discovered the Sargasso Sea, and baby eels weren't made by horse hairs anymore.

Just like we found the Sargasso Sea, we found evolution. Suddenly everything made sense, the geologic column, the fossil record, the large concentrations of marsupials in Austrailia.  If you say continental drift (which AiG supports) isolated the marsupials it makes sense.  If you tell me people departed post-Babel with a koala in one arm and a wallaby in the other, that doesn't.  If you tell me insects survived the Noahic Flood by building rafts, that doesn't make sense either.  Evolution provides answers that the Bible can't even touch on.

There is religion.  There is science.  If your God insists on living only within the margins of science, I see why you want to keep those margins wide.  Furthermore, what kind of geek prints his arguments on the internet to show to his professor?  Get a wife kid.

Date: 2005/09/30 19:43:34, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Pharyngula: Tales of the X-mice

I bet the Discovery Institute was just weeks away from this discovery.

Date: 2005/10/05 15:35:51, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Back to your original post on this thread, did you write it with a crayon?

Date: 2005/10/05 22:02:08, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

You really need some help in getting your points across (if you actually have any).  Every post of yours is just a new rant often having nothing to do with any of your previous "arguments."  I once again strongly urge you to google paragraph cohesion, but other than that speek gud englush yoo do.

Additionally, how is the above quote "devastating", and where is the "other theory" in that quote?  I count 2 laws 1 theory or 2 laws 3 theories, but I know you'll demand a recount.

Better luck next time Skip.

Date: 2005/10/08 11:56:28, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Evidence Creationism exists:

Polonium 218
Bombadier beetles don't spontaneously combust before birth (not macroevolution, it is beetlekind)
Dembski's Explanatory Filter...Witch->Wood->Duck->A WITCH!
Irreducible Complexity (neo-bombadierism)
Paluxy River footprints
Dinosaur Adventure Land
Neandertol musical instruments
Helium turned into the human brain
the metal things found calci...errr...inside other rocks
fishermen catch plesiosaurs all the time, they just throw them back like carp
there are villages where reptile birds fly around like sparrows, the villagers do not allow photography
The technology on the Flintstones is obviously far superior and more biodegradable than our own
If a fish evolved lungs, it would drown!

Updated Oct. 9, 2005  GO PACKERS!

Date: 2005/10/08 12:18:28, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

To answer your question, no.

This just in from the AP.  The Scopes trial is over, the monkey lost.  If that ancient quote was so "devastating" where was it in 1987?  I am sick of hearing the IDC people yapping on about how devastating all their stuff is going to be, yet there is never any devastation (except on the science education of those they influence.)

So, you stated that you believe in a one time supernatural causation for the origin of life on Earth (exactly as it is accounted for in the Bible.)  Let me ask you this, what is the definition of supernatural?  You want the supernatural in the science classroom and you're the even keeled one?

Take your blasphemy somewhere else evopreach, you are not the mouthpiece of God and calling us all kinds of names is certainly falling far short of making disciples of all nations.

Date: 2005/10/11 11:17:38, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Feduccia has broken more new ground with his "big-bang" theory. He thinks that the ancestors of all today's birds evolved explosively in only about 5 to 10 million years. In traditional theory, all modern bird orders appeared by 80 to 90 million years ago and "oozed" into the present. That makes no sense, Feduccia says, because the cataclysmic event that killed the dinosaurs would have extinguished most birds too.

Feduccia contends that about 65 million years ago, most birds died with the dinosaurs, except for a group of shorebirds and possibly a few others. Fossils from just before that time show lots of primitive birds, with the shorebirds the only kind of modern birds present. "But shortly after 65 million years ago, all the primitive birds are gone. All you're finding are these shorebirds. And then by about 53 million years ago, all the modern groups are present," he says. "So somewhere between 65 and 53 million years ago, all these modern types of birds evolved."

A Big-Bang view of Birds

Also from the same article:
He agrees with the theory that the common ancestor of both ancient and modern bird orders was a small, ground-dwelling reptile that took to the trees for hiding, sleeping, or nesting. After this "protoavis" started climbing, it began leaping from tree to tree.

Funny how  AiG  says the evolutionists "got to" Feduccia.  Got to him before whom?  The IDC movement and their bags and bags of money?

A quote from the AiG article about what Feduccia thinks of creationists:
Feduccia: Creationists are going to distort whatever arguments come up, …

Date: 2005/10/11 11:38:12, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
If I say, "there have been no Cadillacs made in the last 20 years" and proceed show you a blue book from 1983, I am right.  So in one sense you are right in saying "there are no transitional fossils" so long as you plug your ears and jump up and down saying "thats laughable no transitional fossils."

Date: 2005/10/11 15:20:37, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Attn: Paley your link is broken, so yes it does look familiar just like Intelligent Design Creationism, there is nothing there.

Paley did not have a precise mathematcal formation of his ideas; this is what Dembski has provided.

Is PT still having a quote of the day?

Yep all of Dembski's predictions will come true.  Perhaps even, evolution's "Waterloo in Dover."  What projects are being undertaken by the Intelligent Design Creationist movement in regards to "junk DNA has a purpose."  Yep evolution is sure going to "lose."  Ya'll need to put up or shut up (and sidestepping peer-review doesn't cut it.)  Are you aware of the numerous times that junk science known as IDC has stepped into the legal arena to defeat the "darwinists?"  Are you aware that their record is worse than that of the Washington Generals?  When the time came for IDC to lay their cards down on the table, they were bluffing everytime.  Dover hasn't been any different, no matter how much your idol wished it otherwise and proclaimed it to be so.

Ignorant, evil evolutionists deny reality becuase deep in their hearts they know they will have to answer to God for their heinous misdeeds. I can't wait to watch him send you all to the Lake of Fire at the Final Judgment!

Sounds great so long as you bring the german potato salad (Hitler, Lenin and Lysenko love it.)  I wonder if they have muskie in the Lake of Fire, or perhaps--lungfish.

Date: 2005/10/11 16:02:38, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Was there a point to that post two above this?  Please elaborate, as I fail to see your point.  What is wrong with feminism, isn't it the Bible that makes all people equal and evolution that causes all the evil in the world such as racism and sexism?

Additionally, are you aware that WAD has ceased posting at PT to defend his ideas?  Could this be because they lambast his ummm...snicker..."precise mathematcal formation" to the extent that he only lurks and has ceased posting?  He much prefers to post on his own blog, deleting any comment that slightly dissents from his point of view.  Yep his "precise mathematcal formation" is so correct that he doesn't even have to defend it anywhere that he doesn't possess the ability to censor any dissent.

Date: 2006/06/08 12:59:24, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I can't believe you sat through that piece of crap movie.  Aren't you like the...Issac Newton of information theory?  Did you bump into Richard Dawkins on his way to see Date Movie?  You could've at least picked Ice Age 2: The Meltdown.

Date: 2006/06/08 23:47:54, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (thordaddy @ June 09 2006,02:35)

I can't help if you swallow the pro-homosexual propaganda whole.  But I can try and enlighten you about the real issue at hand, but you're not interested in that either.

wasn't the whole, "we won't beat you to death with sticks and stones" thing a bit more "pro-homosexual propaganda" than a little bit of "ok u can promise to love each other for ever and ever in front of a judge, hippie, or dirty commie liberal christian woman preacher" thingie?

Date: 2006/10/25 15:55:34, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I like that caveman doing his laundry, really cutting edge anamatronics.  I almost feel bad for Ken....almost.

Date: 2008/06/23 15:34:31, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ June 23 2008,13:42)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 23 2008,12:41)


   * Private educators
   * Public educators
   * Pastors
* Beginning & intermediate-level creationists
   * Creation science researchers
* Intermediate & advanced creation scientists
   * Scientists
   * Engineers
   * Philosophers of science/academics
   * Theologians
   * Interested evolutionists
   * Home-schooling parents
   * Anyone interested in the origins debate

I wonder if they give out merit badges or have some sort of belt system.  I'm a 5th Degree Bible Belt.

Date: 2008/06/23 17:26:33, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Kristine @ June 23 2008,14:37)
Why does some ordinary schmuck in some small town in Ohio write me a threatening letter about this? Why does a pathetic nobody in some town in Wisconsin write me a threatening letter?

I thought everyone was a child of God, Ben.

Hypocrite. :O


Date: 2008/06/24 13:36:24, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I found a stevestory post about half way down the page asking to make a poll about creepiness.

BTW, took me about 10 minutes.  It might be a few pages before that is starts, but this at least links to the vicinity of the whackiness.

Joel creepiness.

I will revise this as I hone in on the start =).

Date: 2008/06/26 13:03:05, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
[Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin]

Quote (skeptic @ June 26 2008,12:15)
I think you may be off your mark on the blame.  Creationists rarely support animal rights, you know that whole dominion thing in Genesis.  In my experience, anytime my labs have been assualted by the animal rights' fringe those people always bore a very striking resembalnce to the global warning fringe.  Just my observation, you may want to consult with Louis since Huntington is right in his back yard.

You can't mean Huntington, West Virginia...can you?  I don't think women even have rights there yet.

Does this mean the apes are going to get lots and lots of Disorderly Conduct tickets?  How are they going to pay them?  I heard of the Scopes Monkey Trial, but geez.

Date: 2008/06/26 14:35:04, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2008,14:18)
Quote (keith @ June 24 2008,09:42)
If I were riding in the same bus with that band of blasphemers and godless pagans I would be on my knees frequently.

I thought your god didn't like teh homos, keith.

But PZ and Dick to the Dawk to the PhD were sooo hawt in their music video!!!

Date: 2008/06/27 12:42:28, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (PuckSR @ June 26 2008,19:24)
I haven't been on this forum in a long time.  In fact, I haven't been on many forums in a long time.  I haven't checked uncommondescent in years.  I also have strongly avoided the topic of Intelligent Design/Creationism in regular life.


I almost failed out of college.
It wasn't drugs, video games, drinking, or sex.
It wasn't stupidity or laziness.
It was Creationism.

I became wrapped up in arguing with those idiots.  I posted to blogs and websites.  I attended lectures(on ID and creationism) and "special study groups"(Christian study groups).  I learned more about biology than an Electrical Engineer ever should.  I broke up with one girlfriend and started dating a biologist.  I let my studies slip, and I angered some of the faculty at my University who were devoutly religious individuals.  My grades were mediocre and my popularity with my professors was waining.
(I might be exaggerating a little.  In fact, I might be exaggerating a lot)

I had to completely disconnect myself from the argument.  I put aside books like "Misquoting Jesus" and ignored "Expelled".  I joined forums on topics like Linux and Math.  I even quit visiting my aunt(a diehard Creationist).  It wasn't that I hated creationists, but I had started this journey with the opinion that most people are generally intelligent.  I assumed that creationists were simply brainwashed individuals.  I learned that it wasn't true.  It drove me almost insane until I took a break.

It all helped, and a lot of thought and meditation got me back to relaxing.

The moral of my story?
Don't let it get to you.  There are people in this world that are dumber than you can imagine.  If you let them bother you, you will go insane.  It might be relatively simple for someone to go lookup "WD-40" on the internet and find that it isn't "fish oil", but you aren't going to be able to convince some people of that truth.
You might know, from research and experience, that evolution is a observed natural phenomenon...but you won't be able to convince some people of that fact

Just let it slide.
Ignore the idiots and let it slide.
Just step in and stop someone if they think they can drink WD-40  ;)

I went through almost the exact same thing.  Except I was also doing the other 3 things you mentioned =P (yes I actually would be sitting there smoking a bowl reading PT).  I generally tend to lurk (unless somehow horses come up) as I don't have a science degree.

I started going to all the Creo/ID lectures I could find flyers for, I even read a few of their crap books.  Then I would read many of the scathing reviews available to me.  Eventually, I just went straight to the reviews =).

But I take a much more aggressive approach.  When creationists try to spew their nonsense at me, I will argue right back at them (attacking flood geology, IC and such).  Not that I ever think I can sway their opinions (although I sincerely wish I could).  I just like slapping their "bible glasses" off their faces.

You seem to have gotten involved in this "debate" in an almosted identical manner to how I did.  I have actually considered becoming a creationist speaker.  I really think I could argue for it just as well as I could argue against it.  There has to be a huge degree of insincerity involved in giving "science" lectures at churches.

Date: 2008/06/30 17:39:35, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
What, are you all scare of the TRUTH?  [B]DR.[/] Kent Hovind proves that evolution is IMPOSSIBLE and it is a RELIGON that send you to HELL.  That really hot place I cant wait to see you all go to so I can LAUGH at your.  Do YOU think the earth can really be BILLIONS of years old?  You werent there to see it!  GOD creatard me.  Not some MONKEYS AND GOO.  You need to OPEN your eyes to the TRUTH.

I will PRAY for you.


Date: 2008/07/01 10:29:53, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I was waiting for punctuated equilibrium as soon as I heard "poof" mentioned.  A priest, a rabbi, and a Steven Jay Gould walk into a bar...

Even if E.coli "poofed" into another bacteria, wouldn't it still just be bacteria "kind?"  I mean, it isn't an entire kingdom, it's just a "kind."

Date: 2008/07/01 10:43:19, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Is bigbang's ban permanent?

Date: 2008/07/01 10:48:41, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Is bigbangs ban permanent?

ahaha sorry, can't help it.

Date: 2008/07/01 10:52:21, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (stevestory @ June 30 2008,03:38)
I'm not actually worried that a few ignorant white people are going to upset Obama's chances.

I am.

Date: 2008/07/04 16:28:17, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Date: 2008/07/14 10:04:34, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2008,03:14)
I don't know if Dembski's banned or not. I don't think he is. If someone can confirm that he's not, maybe invite him to say a few words at the commencement for page 1000.

I do recall him posting on several occasions here (a few years ago).  Never to the UCD thread though AFAIK.  I wish I could remember his handle.  He wasn't GhostOfPaley was he?

Date: 2008/07/14 13:55:37, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (J-Dog @ July 14 2008,13:28)
Quote (stevestory @ July 13 2008,18:12)
Quote (blipey @ July 13 2008,17:35)

36. Given that HIV cannot have evolved (Behe), which of the 8 (6 really) people on the ark were carrying HIV?

What did we figure up one time? That each ark passenger would have had 8 or 10 STD's apiece?

You Crazy Materialists™!- you can't measure the Ark passengers STD's!

The STD's are just an example of another Goddidit Miracle -

all your STD's are belong to Him.

All your base excision repair are belong to me.

Date: 2008/07/18 16:40:17, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ July 18 2008,15:50)
The rest of you are of the Devil.

Date: 2008/07/20 19:26:48, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
The superiority complex is so obvious in "his" statement...AiG now "is" the Creation Museum...Carl who?

Date: 2008/07/22 07:33:57, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
ty everyone =)

Date: 2008/07/22 08:34:15, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (fusilier @ July 22 2008,08:11)
Happy birfday.

25?!?! Child.

It gets worse.  I have been reading PT and the like for at least 4+ years =p.  Nerd alert CODE RED!

Date: 2008/07/24 13:53:00, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
My mother was the accountant for the owner of the apartment complex where Dahmer lived.

Date: 2008/07/30 12:27:42, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
This one is from PT (if you hadn't seen it already).


What’s funny is that the vast majority of hard scientists and engineers would probably agree with everything you wrote and that evolution is far more legitimate than the other current offerings, then view (probably secretly) the evolutionary biology and creationism share one trait, both are 100% completely worthless.

Engineering are developing the tools and mechanisms of our modern society. We power your homes, we build your buildings, we are the foundation of society. While scientifically correct, evolutionary biology gives society nothing more than cute 1 hr discovery channel specials. Instead of pursuing this worthless endeavor, why don’t you use your collect brainpower to actually improved society. Cheaper/greener forms of energy, healthier foods, cleaner air, instead of what can be only accurately described as nothing more than a “hobby”. In sum, what’s the point? Are creationists individuals with such poor mental ability to handle scientific topics? Are evolutionary biologists who they are vs being chemists/physicists/engineers because they are incapable of dealing with the intellectual tasks of differential equations/thermodynamics/quantum physics? I know this sounds harsh, but deal with the realities that w/o the theory of evolution, our society would exactly be as it is currently. (Do you think there were not athiests b4 Darwin?) Then think about physics.

The true “killer” of evolution isn’t from the ID or creationists. Actually, this debate has helped evolution’s cause for now the theory is top-of-mind in our non-scientific populace. The dagger that would kill evolution would be if people were more knowledgeable in the sciences, esp. the hard sciences of physics and chemistry, the sciences that supply the framework of our civilization. Then evolution would just fade away, not from challenges of how legitimate evolution is, but from disinterest as people would be working on more important things.

I don't even have anything to sorta speaks for itself...

i r can hazz engineer toolz?

Yea pfff...dumb evos, feed the world like Norman Borlaug..he didn't need evilution...he did it with structural engineering, physics and thermodynamics...duhhh

<edit>  yay edit!

Date: 2008/08/01 11:50:17, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 01 2008,11:44)
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 01 2008,08:01)
I don't understand what bfast wants to tell me:    

What I think he's saying is:
Non-random processes = Goddidit
Random processes = Goddidit
Therefore Goddidit.

I think he's saying he is right because engineers know liek everytin k?

Date: 2008/08/05 15:15:30, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 05 2008,10:32)
Is there a way in which somebody could make money due to a species being endangered? Outside of a scientist maybe getting a salary from studying the species, I can't offhand think of one.


I wouldn't pass up a cheetah pelt if I saw one for sale.

Date: 2008/08/07 14:43:33, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Date: 2008/08/08 11:39:03, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 08 2008,11:33)
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 08 2008,17:10)

I am not trying to insult Erasmus, I am merely doing some taxonomic work to differentiate Appalachians from Brits.  They both have bad teeth, bad accents, weird ideas about food, drive cars that break down alot, and plumbing deficiencies.  


There is no universe in which any American can comment on the poorer aspects of any British or European car.

I've driven American cars.

I still wake up screaming some nights. Haven't you people heard of corners and suspension? Seriously. Also 100 horsepower from a 13 litre engine is not good. Might help to keep you out of expensive wars. Just sayin'.



Our cars had to evolve to larger sizes bcuz liek our roads are bigger or something.  Also, a large car provides protection from gipsies.

Date: 2008/08/08 13:24:14, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 08 2008,12:43)
Telsa Roadster, yay or nay?

I hope Tesla's cars contain better design than their website =).

Date: 2008/08/08 18:06:27, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 08 2008,17:58)
This is some really repressed gay shit

Does he masturbate to that?  Someone should ask him.

Date: 2008/10/03 00:10:59, Link
Author: American Saddlebred up...crow victory while citing no examples...disappear...even Joe Paterno can at least come up with new plays for his playbook...yawn...

As someone who generally identifies himself as a conservative, I thought watching Palin was like watching a retard trying to race Usain Bolt.  On the other side, I was extremely disappointed with Biden...but it was on an entirely different level...they both sucked if you ask me...but one sucked way more.  I 100% agree with Blipey's points.

<edit to add advance apology for abuse of sports analogies>

Date: 2008/10/08 12:24:09, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,12:19)

Ya...all the larnin kids ned is in teh Wholly Babble.  fak plaentrariums.

Date: 2008/10/08 12:50:29, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 07 2008,23:06)
Religulous...seems like I've heard of that...isn't that the anti-religion documentary that grossed twice as much per screen as Expelled in it's first weekend?


Expelled was a HUUUGE success remember?  It was one of the top ten grossing documentaries of all time!!!11!!!

Date: 2008/10/08 14:25:31, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,14:07)
You would certainly think so, no?  Those f*ucking moronic creationists sure are able to raise some serious cash for their projects. Maybe you can take some pointers from them?

You folks try to convince us that there are virtually no supporters of creation science, yet look how much money they raised for something they thought was important.  So, think of all the cash you folks could generate seeing as there are millions upon millions of supporters of "good" science.

That's easy.  One side actually conducts research, advances science, publishes in peer-reviewed technical journals, faces competition for grants, and has their research scruitinized by others in their field.  Basically, anything they have to present is far beyond the understanding of most people.

The other side sells video tapes in church basements (essentially taking money that would potentially be donated to the church instead), face little to no scrutiny from within their own "field" regardless of the numerously apparent conflicting opinions, they publish minimal "research" and instead focus on press releases, and present "science" in factless one-liners meant to reinforce their constituency's already determined conclusions.

Date: 2008/10/08 14:35:51, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Unless ftk's past abuses of the edit button were extremely in excess, I would think she can handle having an edit button again.  The common design and common descent mixup was priceless though  :)

Of course, this wasn't and never would be my decision.  Just my opinion.

Date: 2008/10/08 14:38:37, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,14:30)

So, creationists are able to raise millions, and evolutionists aren't because the public doesn't get them?


Are you saying hundreds of millions aren't spent on research in those scientifically relevant fields?  Hmm where the fuck did that money come from?

I guess I am missing your point.

Date: 2008/10/08 14:44:40, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,14:40)
I think you are too.  I give up.

Maybe we can figure this out in one simple question.  What do creation "scientists" do?

Date: 2008/10/08 14:55:19, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Ftk @ Oct. 08 2008,14:51)
For not being federally funded, they do a lot, though they are limited because of cash flow.  I just recently ran across a person in Second Life who works on creationist projects in her spare time (baraminology). Get a hold of some creationist journals, books, etc.  I've found all kinds of creationists papers on the Internet lately that I never knew existed.  There are creationist seminars all the time in which creation scientists discuss what they've been working on.  It's amazing how much *is* going on in creation science considering that everything that funds it is volunteer.

Link me?

Show me a research project that involves bacterial cultures.  Show me some medical research.  Show me something, don't just tell me *oh it's going on all over the place* and not provide anything.

Date: 2008/10/08 15:26:19, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Oct. 08 2008,14:28)
Since I am unable to post in the regular threads, I'll post this here:
The Argument From Impossibility

BTW, I am "chucky darwin".

From your link:

So the challenge is to explain how the current amino acid synthesis system in E. coli originated via natural mechanisms. How did each of the nineteen specific enzymes come to be? How did each of the nineteen steps in the biochemical pathway come together in the correct order to form these essential amino acids? What was the immediate precursor to the current system? What were all the intermediate steps? Remember that this explanation must account for each enzyme and each step.

I predict though that no one will be able to answer this challenge with any detail. This, and countless other origins, will forever remain an "Impossibility".

Ok, if theoretically nobody can ever possibly answer your question what conclusion would then be reached?

I looked up e.coli amino acid synthesis evolutionary pathways on PubMed and found several relevant articles...I wonder if you did the same?

Date: 2008/10/09 13:10:50, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 09 2008,12:53)
Don't worry, FTK is far more representative of idiots than women. People should only apologize for her if they're an idiot, too.

my sorreh =(

Date: 2008/10/09 14:50:45, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 09 2008,14:30)
The House Surge, or whatever McCain called that program he sprung on everyone Tuesday, where the federal government would buy every bad mortgage in america, has anybody calculated how many trillions that would cost?

Date: 2008/10/09 14:56:18, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Oct. 09 2008,14:49)
Mine is one of level of intelligence, that ours is far below our Creator's.  Our intelligence is still "like" our Creator's in that we can do similar things - engineer, design, create, etc.  But our level of intelligence makes it impossible for us to ever fully understand the works of our Creator.  Bits and pieces is all we'll ever understand.

So you would agree that panspermia via aliens is an equally plausible starting point.

Aliens, an infinite god, or set of gods would be just as applicable to your hypothesis as it begins with the starting point of life on earth correct?  You are proposing that single-celled organisms are irreducibly complex and that all life on earth evolved from that point, if I am understanding you correctly.

Date: 2008/10/10 10:53:39, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 10 2008,10:52)
The man is a national treasure!


Damnit, When I saw someone posted here I hoped our kook had come back.

Date: 2008/10/10 11:26:24, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Louis @ Oct. 10 2008,10:56)
You'll go blind if you keep doing that.


I took first and third in the international masturbation competition.

Date: 2008/10/10 15:34:48, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Oct. 10 2008,15:14)

In your case, it's "I don't like any of the answers, so I'll keep pretending that goddidit is the only answer".

I love it so.

Date: 2008/10/13 14:04:29, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Didn't anyone want to do their fun little Test for your socio-political standings?

I was an Economic L/R -1.62
and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -4.72

I was actually worried my results might mirror a majority of UD posters.  Needless to say, by the 5th page I was relieved.

Date: 2008/10/13 14:27:48, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Date: 2008/10/14 14:25:04, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Awww.  PZ's poll crashing made FtK mad.

Gee what would happen if the other side told their minions what to do?!?!?  OMG we'd be liek so mad cuz they liek sooo aren't allowed to do that.

Date: 2008/10/14 14:43:20, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (carlsonjok @ Oct. 14 2008,14:38)
All I can say is that Daniel has laid out a trenchant argument regarding design.

Yes, it is indeed a masterpiece of trenchant arguing regarding design.

Date: 2008/10/14 15:32:52, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I honestly can't even fathom how someone can read AiG's posts and think "yes, I agree with these statements."  Even if you are the most fervent biblical literalist, the circular reasoning in their statements cannot possibly go unnoticed.  I feel bad for these people, and even worse for their children.

Date: 2008/10/15 12:01:16, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Random discovery!

If you google "creotard" and hit I'm Feeling Lucky.....It takes you to Richard Dawkin's website.

Date: 2008/10/16 10:52:41, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 15 2008,20:03)
Definitely don't look here, either, Dave.

probably the money shot:

“He’s going to tear up the rose bushes and plant a watermelon patch,” said James Halsey, chuckling, while standing in the Wal-Mart parking lot with fellow workers in the environmental cleanup business. “I just don’t think we’ll ever have a black president.”

This ain't bad either:

Jim Pagans, a retired software manager, interviewed in a strip mall parking lot in Roanoke, Va., said that while Mr. Obama was “half-Caucasian,” he had the characteristics of blacks.

“But you look at his background, you don’t think of that,” he said. “He’s more intelligent and a smarter person than McCain.”

I know, I know, this is too easy.

LMAO,  yea and he's gonna put rims on Air Force One and ride a BMX bike to KFC everyday when he wakes up at noon ::rolleyes::

Date: 2008/10/17 13:11:28, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Dr.GH @ Oct. 16 2008,11:27)
I must say that I am rather disapointed in the AiG's lack of responce myself.

I feel the same way.  Seems like all they did was spew a few of their crappy talking points and skip away back to dinosaur land.

Kicking Oompah-Loompahs indeed.

Date: 2008/10/20 13:23:31, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
This comes from Glen D via Pharyngula.



I especially love the pics about halfway down...where the guy appears to be examining their priceless artifact by.....rolling it around on the table?

Groundbreaking "Firsts" by this fossil
                                    These are firsts for true fossilization, not cast or endocast.
 Those "molds" have been found previously. This is different because it is true petrification of the actual organ.

First Rock certified to be a petrified human brain by a Brain Anatomy/ Neuro Instructor/  Researcher
First Rock to be certified to be a petrified human brain by a Geologist Phd.
First Rock to be certified to be a petrified human brain by a Physicist.
First Rock to be certified to be a petrified human brain by an M.D.
First Rock said to be a petrified human brain by a Cellular/ Micro Biologist.
First Rock that is a fossil found that has embedded fingerprints, and this is in material harder than case hardened steel.
First Rock with knife serrations in what was soft tissue.
First fossil found that has finger impressions from when it was organic.
  This list could go on and on and first fossil with sulchi and gyri identified by a brain anatomy instructor
   but you get the picture.

Now, let's go to the possible list.

It is thought to be:

The first human fossil found with petrified blood.
The first fossil found with a bullet inside.
The first certified soft tissue fossil certified by individuals in the established scientific community.

My head hurts.

Date: 2008/10/20 16:24:09, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 20 2008,16:13)
That's a very good point.  After all, UD encompasses a diverse range of lifestyles.  Fundamentalist Christian conservatives, conservative Christian fundamentalists,  Christian fundamentalist conservatives, fundamentalist conservative Christians...  UD's got 'em all.


Date: 2008/10/20 23:05:08, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Dale_Husband @ Oct. 20 2008,21:32)
He also closed a thread in which I was arguing with the fundamentalist moron known a FL.

who teh fuck is an FL?

oh's that deuchebag Larry Farfaman...or however it is spelled.

Date: 2008/10/20 23:28:37, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2008,23:08)
I don't think FL==Larry F.

FL was posting way before Larry turned up, and has been consistently religious-right-cheerleading. FL also turned up to comment on stuff other than legal issues quite often.

Hmm...I thought there was a confirmed link....or was it a confirmed non-link?  or maybe I shouldn't post here after an extended happy gonna take the 3rd least i'm already in the bathroom...

Date: 2008/10/21 15:25:51, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Daniel Smith @ Oct. 21 2008,14:02)
Other issues that must be addressed are the affects of each proposed precursor pathway on the organism and a compelling reason for selection - since each precursor had to eventually become fixed in the population.

This argument remains devastatingly dynamic daniel.

Date: 2008/10/29 01:01:13, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 28 2008,17:11)
If they'd made predictions in books after they'd died, that would be impressive.  ooooooooo

omg shhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

Mabus might show up now.  I heard that James Randi guy owes him some money.

Date: 2008/10/29 01:08:58, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
happy birthday TT

Date: 2008/11/05 10:49:23, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 05 2008,10:41)
Well, the part about Palin causing some people to care about who won - that could be true: there could well be people out there that voted for Obama because of her, but who wouldn't have otherwise. ;)


I would've potentially voted for a better McCain ticket.  I was actually a "swing voter" this year IMO, but they totally lost me the second Bible Spice opened her mouth.

Date: 2008/11/08 11:46:47, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
AiG's crap is always so obtusely verbose.  I guess that's all it takes to trick rubes.

Date: 2008/11/20 16:42:16, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Happy Birthday Ichthyic (44), didymos (34), and the MIA sir_toejam (44 also).

Have a wonderful day!

Date: 2008/11/20 16:53:56, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
my deductive reasoning skills = fail.

Date: 2008/12/05 16:28:19, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Dec. 05 2008,14:49)
Pure Tard Gold

When the Twin Towers collapsed do you know what was in the basement?  [...]  Lots of gold.  Do you know where it is?  [...]  Nobody does.  It disappeared.  Did those buildings drop down to cover a great crime being committed?  Somebody is taking all this gold out of the Twin Tower basement.  Makes you wonder.


Date: 2008/12/10 23:07:00, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
The original 'falsifiable' prediction was that mankind will never find the evolutionary pathway for amino acid synthesis.

Then the goalposts moved...a lot.

Poe.  100%.  Good job whoever you are.

Date: 2009/01/06 14:29:54, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 06 2009,14:20)
Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 06 2009,15:06)
Well, maybe we should start a thread for JAD to heap abuse on him too, I think he would Love It So.

Don't we have one already?

I thought so too.  If I recall correctly, he was restricted to one thread...I'm having trouble finding a thread about him that exceeds 4 pages...perhaps he was restricted to the bathroom wall?

<edit> "Let the monkey rattle his cage."  That was associated with the JAD thread in some way.  Possibly as a subheading?

Date: 2009/01/09 06:26:15, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I used to get high with my tutor.

Date: 2009/01/09 07:03:49, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 09 2009,06:40)
Quote (American Saddlebred @ Jan. 09 2009,07:26)
I used to get high with my tutor.

I quit decades ago when I realized that my IQ dropped 30 points for the duration due to impaired attention span and working memory.

I had taught myself assembly language on my first computer. But my own programming was way out of reach when stoned.


I quit rocking the ganj a few years back.  =P

Date: 2009/01/18 12:38:14, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Don't forget the most powerful curse word known to man, "perkele."

Happy birthday.

Date: 2009/02/04 14:42:11, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 04 2009,13:44)
You HAVE taught Louis Jr. to read by now, right?  Or will he now be hopelessly behind his peers, never catch up and be forced to take a menial job in the USA mucking out horse-stalls for some wealthy American Horse owner?

Hey now, the grooms get paid well enough and they get free housing.

Besides, we usually end up employing the illiterate children of Bears fans =).  Go Pack!

<edit>  because I just learned that J-Dog is a Bears fan via the Expelled thread =).

Date: 2009/02/05 12:54:28, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I loved the movie Pi.

Date: 2009/02/05 13:15:07, Link
Author: American Saddlebred

Date: 2009/02/09 12:17:45, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 08 2009,23:03)
I was a missionary to Africa the dark continent, so I have experienced the supernatural battle that you kind folks sincerely believe does not exist.

<edit>  googling for some circa 1930 "Deepest Darkest Africa"  image prove much more difficult than I thought =).  I did however find this one somewhat apt.

Date: 2009/02/17 13:00:27, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
A picture of him with Prof. Steve Steve would totally win teh internets.

<edit>  unless it involves him ripping it apart, or some act of beastiality (errm...fluffiality?)

Date: 2009/02/17 13:11:35, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 17 2009,13:04)
3.) Get hawt Evo / Anthro Babes - the kind that would never even look twice at an IDEA geek, and have them pretend to be godless, atheist chicks.  The Idea geeks will compare Casey Luskin vs Hotness and realize that Evolution winz again.

I somehow doubt they would be pretending.

100 posts in just under 4 years, I must be the most prolific poster on this forum.  Yay me!

Date: 2009/02/18 10:45:55, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Happy B-Day!

Date: 2009/02/19 11:13:42, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
With all this talk of water, why don't we talk about The Flood?

Some lady told me this Walt Brown fella has some really interesting ideas.

Date: 2009/02/19 13:24:46, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (khan @ Feb. 19 2009,12:19)
Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 19 2009,12:40)
Quote (olegt @ Feb. 19 2009,10:31)
StephenB has a theory why evolutionary biologists don't go around killing people:        
For all I know, evolutionary biologists are too busy committing adultery and destroying the religious faith of their students to run stop lights and shoot people.

There's hope for you, science nerds!

OMG! I wondered about that stoplight thing, and now jerry has explained it for me!

That is a truly sig-worthy find, oleg.  Thanks for braving the tardmines to dig it out.

I offer praise to those who venture into the tard jungle to retrieve specimens.

I envision them using a machete to hack at the tard tentacles that seek to entrap them.

I picture a Bob Evans/McDonalds/Dennys/George Webb at about noon on Sundays.

<edit> to be less restaurant regional.

Date: 2009/02/20 10:28:11, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Daniel maintains his composure, AFDave never even tried to.

I dun think they are the same person.

Date: 2009/02/26 14:23:13, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 24 2009,23:35)
Schedule advice for software design and production:

1. Think carefully about how long you believe it will take you to code the job.

2. Multiply the value by 4.

3. Ratchet the time units to the next higher unit: hours to days, days to weeks, and weeks to months.

So if you think that you can write that web application in 8 hours, what you tell the client is that you can deliver it in 32 days.

This method is depressingly accurate.

Hehe.  so true!  Especially when the customer is such a large company that your 8 hours of actual work truly do look like a month of what they could do on their own.  I bill at about $150 an hour (depending on the customer) and most of my jobs are nothing more than a glorified web developer.  I don't even want to know what the chief technologist bills for himself.

Date: 2009/04/16 15:46:06, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
This guy is amazing.  Just an amazing singer.

Date: 2009/06/29 13:09:41, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Voted for wes.

Date: 2009/06/29 13:21:13, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
+1 who anyone who read that wall 'o text.

Date: 2009/06/30 11:54:40, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
happy bday.

Date: 2009/08/14 15:52:44, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
I am currently living in Milwaukee, WI.

Date: 2009/08/17 13:06:10, Link
Author: American Saddlebred
Creationism Poll on Facebook  IE...."haha yall are idiots and make me laugh. if you deny the great flood occured, you are disagreeing with about 95% of scientists. and how do you know the civilization was that old? were you there? plus 6000 is not an exact number. gaps in genealogies could indicate thats its almost 10000 yrs old. and you are right there is nothing random about DNA. it is exact and very intricate. the random part is the DNA coming into existence by itself"

Cooler heads have seemed to prevail in that poll/discussion however if you are feeling a bit political head over to the "impeach obama" polls...or a bit atheist check out the "is jesus the son of god" polls...there are so many people to argue with there.

oh and btw add me on facebook =P