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Date: 2010/02/05 23:07:38, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 05 2010,22:52)
Did y'all get all the way to the end of that article?


It exceeds (or at least rivals) anything you could find in the realm of so-called alternative medicine.

With this first post I have to say that I certainly have spent more hours than I care to admit reading this site and look forward to future adventures as they unfold.

Date: 2010/02/06 11:59:37, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 06 2010,10:57)
I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

In a word:  cannibalism

Let's do it!

That sounds like a great idea!  I don't think I canhandle eating any more bottles of those pills but I was wondering if the pills are avaiable in a IV drip formulation for a continuous infusion of the stupid?  

How about a time-release implantable form?

Date: 2010/02/20 20:37:04, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 20 2010,14:29)
I just got my acceptance letter to UNCW. I'm kind of tearing up. It's dumb I guess, but there you go.


I don't know if you will find this encouraging or not (hope so) but you'll be younger than I when you finish your degree objectives.  I'm finishing up the last chapter of my thesis this week and I turn 55 on monday....yikes! :O

Date: 2010/02/20 21:39:03, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 20 2010,21:09)
Thanks ev'r'body.

Actually I do. I keep chuckling to myself that I ought to be finishing up my PhD just in time to retire (assuming I live that long...) and it's good to hear that I'm not paddling this boat alone.

No, you're not alone on this journey and I've had a few chuckles over the crappy pension plan provided by Graduate Studies.

In any case, all I can offer as advice is apply for everything and hope for anything in the quest for any $$$ that is passibly within your reach.

Date: 2010/02/26 00:52:13, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Robert Byers @ Feb. 26 2010,00:09)
Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 22 2010,19:54)
Babysteps. We have gone from :

Workers in these areas do not classify marsupials together from anatomy but rather from a few details and a general presumption that these few details trump the great number of details otherwise.

To this:

Anyways you make a point about many points that are alike between marsupials.

Now if we can only get specific details on this:

If you break it up into hundreds of points then likewise thousands or more points are similar between marsupials and placentals.

I only mean there are a few points alike between marsupials. As I always said. I still insist, for example, a marsupial wolf and our wolves are some 90-95 % the same. While a marsupial wolf with other marsupials is only 1-5% the same.
It all comes down to how one groups biological life.
Its been a error of the past to ignore the great likeness between same shaped creatures and instead focus on minor, relative, points for classification.
I'm confident in the future modern biology will agree with this biblical creationist.
Stay tuned folks.

Date: 2010/02/26 22:24:38, Link
Author: Acipenser
Our two ranch trucks are a 1951 Chevy with a 1959-235 passenger car engine that replaced the old 216 engine years ago.  When I first met my wife this was our only rig for about 6 years and of course no AC which  made for a warm ride in the 110 F days of summer.  It is also colonized with lichen and moss mostly on the outside.

The other is a 1986 Toyota one-ton 2wd with 242,000+ miles on the 22R motor and a 5 speed manual transmission.  Great trucks!

Date: 2010/02/27 15:30:19, Link
Author: Acipenser
Best Fishes for you on your Birthday!

Date: 2010/03/19 21:52:39, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Badger3k @ Mar. 19 2010,20:28)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Mar. 19 2010,18:00)
"instinct" is a hardwired behavior. The rules of the behavior can be very simple. Step 1, pick up object, Step 2, carry to a location, Step 3, repeat, Step 4 (triggered by a big pile of objects) pat down the center. This more or less is "building a nest."

Experiments have shown that "instinct" is merely to steps, but the sequence is learned. The most well known example was when Konrad Lorenz raised mouse pups without any exposure to another mouse. They could do each of the instinctual behaviors- but not in the correct order.

The reduction of instinctual behaviors to smaller and smaller units allows greater and greater adaptability, and requires more and more learning. Humans are rather at the extreme end of the distribution, but only that. We know that many other critters are capable of learning, and are in social groups that facilitate teaching.

We've seen this teaching/learning behavior in the wild - dolphins, chimps, birds...maybe more.  I have one paper where a rodent was taught to get food by using a rake with it's paws.  Totally fantastic stuff, and it makes me wonder really what exactly "intelligence" is - since more and more animals are exhibiting (or we are noticing, rather) more "intelligent" behavior, perhaps it is not what we always thought it was.  The idea of "intelligence" really being the control/overriding of instinct seems more realistic than the more traditional one.  I'll have to look up that Lorenz stuff - I've read a bit but have not really looked at his work in depth.

I like Rico


Rico's remarkable "vocabulary" raises new questions about language learning in animals

Rico, a dog with an approximately 200-word "vocabulary," can learn the names of unfamiliar toys after just one exposure to the new word-toy combination.

A 9-year-old border collie who apparently understands a vocabulary of 200 words—most of them in German—has led scientists to conclude that the remarkable dog has language-learning ability comparable, in some ways, to a human toddler. Their findings raise anew the question of whether language is strictly a human trait.

Rico is hardly the first non-human animal to show skills at language comprehension; his vocabulary size is comparable to that of language-trained apes, dolphins, sea lions and parrots. But researchers writing in the 11 June 2004 issue of the journal Science say the German canine shows a process of learning called "fast-mapping" not seen to this extent in animals other than humans.

Like a young human child, Rico can quickly form rough hypotheses about the meaning of a new word after a single exposure by inferring that the new word is connected to an object he is seeing for the first time. That suggests to scientists that the ability to understand sounds is not necessarily related to the ability to speak, and that some aspects of speech comprehension evolved earlier than, and independent from, human speech.

Rico's skill was the subject of a news conference in Berlin on 10 June 2004 organized by Science, AAAS and the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany. Scientist Julia Fischer, along with her Science co-author and Rico's owners, brought the study to life for a room filled with journalists representing media outlets around the world.

And, of course, there was Rico. After an appearance on a German game show about three years ago that launched his science-and-show-biz career, followed by months of methodical scientific testing, Rico emerged from the news conference as an international star.

"Such fast, one-trial learning in dogs is remarkable," said Katrina Kelner, Science's deputy editor for life sciences. "This ability suggests that the brain structures that support this kind of learning are not unique to humans, and may have formed the evolutionary basis of some of the advanced language abilities of humans."

In the early chapters of Rico's story, he appeared on the popular German game show "Wetten, das...?" Fischer heard about his amazing performance and arranged a meeting with Rico in September 2001. After Rico's caretakers agreed to the collaboration, Fischer's team at the Planck Institute set out to test the dog's word skills. In a series of controlled experiments, he correctly retrieved, by name, a total of 37 out of 40 items randomly chosen from his toy collection.

Next, the researchers tested Rico's ability to learn new words through fast-mapping. The German scientists placed a new toy among seven familiar toys. In a separate room, the owner asked Rico to fetch the new item, using a name the Border collie had never heard before.

Rico correctly retrieved the new item in seven of 10 such tests. He apparently uses a process of elimination, much as young children do, to surmise that new words tend to refer to objects that do not already have names. After a month without access to these target toys, Rico retrieved them, upon request, from groups of four familiar and four completely novel toys in three out of six sessions. His retrieval rate is comparable to the performance of three-year-old toddlers, according to the authors.

Date: 2010/05/28 18:44:42, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ May 22 2010,01:42)
Question for Mr Trossity...

I was fortunate to see a brightly colored bird alight in our backyard aspen trees, the hues of which I have never seen in my locale. I was not fortunate enough to get my camera before the winged florescence disappeared. By way of Googly-Moogly, I was able to identify it as a Western Tanager.

I am curious how common it is to see this bird in an urban area of northern Colorado?

Although tanangers are fairly common around my neck of the woods I still find their coloration to be quite striking in the fir/oak forest.  I nearly always do a double-take to make sure someones canary hasn't escaped!  

Over the next couple of weeks my wife and I will be camping in one of our favorite areas of N. California (hardly equates with teh Amazon but poor people have poor ways I suppose) and we are looking forward to the evening serenades from the grosbeaks and tanangers.

Date: 2010/07/01 13:15:46, Link
Author: Acipenser
I'm, obviously, a newbie on this site and I've enjoyed reading all the posts and various threads and wanted to add a bit of encouragement to those viewers pursuing a degree rather late in life.  Let me tell it is possible!

Yesterday, at age 55, I was granted my Ph.D. in Pharmacology and Toxicology (emphasis in aquatic toxicology) was a long strange trip indeed!

Now a trip to the store, a bottle of tequila, a case of Sam Adams and I'm all set for a dose-response experiment in brain and liver cell tolerence.....or maybe I'll just pop over to uncommonly dense and lower my IQ in that fashion and give my liver a reprieve.

Date: 2010/07/01 13:51:27, Link
Author: Acipenser
Hey, thanks!

OK, I'm easy UD is out and the alcohol is in and the other great part is that I start a postdoc tomorrow....well maybe monday after I sober up a bit.

I can haz many beers now!

Date: 2010/07/02 11:47:21, Link
Author: Acipenser
the crew is moving a bit slow this morning but consider their mission accomplished!

Date: 2010/07/16 18:09:05, Link
Author: Acipenser
I received the same warning when I tried to access TT directly from my computer in our office.

Date: 2010/07/25 17:22:05, Link
Author: Acipenser
Around here there are always mass aggregations of egrets (snowy and cattle for the most part), black crowned night herons, and Swainson hawks that collect in the alfalfa fields.  After they clean off the bales of alfalfa following a cutting they flood irrigate the entire field which flushes scads of gophers and mice out into the open.  The birds seem to think it is buffet time.

My wife is currently in a battle of wits with a black bear who has taken to breaking and entering into our feed shed and making off with entire bags of layer pellets and scratch.  Hasn't bothered the hens....yet!

Date: 2010/08/15 21:11:29, Link
Author: Acipenser
Sorry to hear about the issues you've been dealing with but life does throw you all sorts of curve balls.  Believe me I know how easy it is to lose perspective, enthusiasm, and focus on your academic goals.

To finally finish my Ph.D took 15 years.  I had one three week experiment remaining to complete my first Ph.D. research (not multiple Ph.Ds just the research needed to write a thesis) when I was diagnosed with a potentially nasty liver disease.  It required two years of chemo to treat and it kicked my ass.  I was ill enough from the chemo that I had to PELP (planned educational leave program) for nearly the entire treatment.  At the completion of the treatment I was supposed to be allowed back into the lab to finish the research.  That did not happen but the department stood by my position and offered me the option of taking a masters and walking away or starting over with the research segment of the degree requirements.

I needed to get the PH.D. to fit in the plans of my business partner and I who were going to buy his brother out of the business.  I restarted in a different lab and after I finished the data collection and writing my first chapter my business partner (and best friend for 35 yrs) was diagnosed with one of the nastiest cancers around.  I had to tell him he had maybe a year to live (he lived one year and 5 days after that conversation).  Along with that my sister in law was battling metastatic breast cancer and losing.  My wife and I were close to our friend and SIL and spent nearly an entire year providing care to both of them.  I flew to MD Anderson every two weeks with my buddy until he just couldn't do it no more.  Myself and wife flew to Washington to help take care of her sister in the final weeks of her life.  They died within 3 weeks of each other.

Now while all this was going on my time exptensions were running out and I knew it.  I tried several times to sit down and write but just couldn't get the job done.  My graduate group again stood behind me knowing what I had been facing and gave me the time to finally finish the thesis.  I did not get my enthusiasm back for the lab and writing for about a year after their deaths.  Not only was my friend (and SIL) gone but our long-term business plans (the entire purpose of staying in school and for that matter pursuing a Ph.D. in the first place) were shot to hell.  For so much of that time I felt like I wanted to retreat back to our home in the mountains and chuck it all.

I am glad that I didn't stop and did finally finish the degree.  It has opened up new opportunities and I am currently working on a couple of great and very challenging projects.  And I get to work with fish just doesn't get any better than that!

Take a deep breath and revaluate your goals and if a degree is in the future get reinvolved with somebody doing some research.  Our lab always has a slew of undergrads who work with us and might it be possible you could find a workstudy program that will generate some $$ for you.  Moving up to a larger University will make it easier for you to find someone who has some cash and wants you to work for them.

sorry about going all KF on ya but wanted to let you know that as an older student you have a bit more of life's potholes to deal with than the typical undergrad.

Date: 2010/11/07 12:12:31, Link
Author: Acipenser
BillB- Congratulations on completion of your thesis!

Do you have a post-doc lined up yet?

Date: 2010/11/09 22:09:14, Link
Author: Acipenser
Barry Arrington:
I am not satisfied with our definition of “Darwinism” in the glossary over to the right of our home page. The definition is, I think, accurate as far as it goes, but it is incomplete and somewhat vague. In this thread I invite friend and foe alike to provide a brief definition of “Darwinism.” The best entry or a synthesis of the best entries will obtain pride of place as permanent fixture in the UD glossary. Thank you.

I'm surprised he isn't expressing umbrage at the removal of the 'Overwhelming Evidence' reference link....oh well I'm left to imagine why...

Date: 2010/11/09 22:23:46, Link
Author: Acipenser
mea culpa..the "Overwhelming Evidence" link is still present....empty but present....oh, well!

Date: 2010/11/10 00:16:01, Link
Author: Acipenser
nullasulas: ""Venturing an ignorant guess" based on the paucity of data provided is the goal of the game. This isn't about making a credible, airtight hypothesis based on adequate data – in fact, that's expressly not the point. Nor is it to offer a correct explanation, because the key bit of data is not only missing, but contains a conclusion that is expressly verboten.

Verboten?  Are your sure about that?

nullasalus:Yes, I am well aware that GE organisms are common knowledge. Yes, I know that the hypothetical is unrealistic.

I guess I missed the point of his game since he banned me from the thread.  I'm crushed.

Date: 2011/02/16 20:24:51, Link
Author: Acipenser
1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still.....Michael Remy

Date: 2011/03/02 23:38:58, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Badger3k @ Mar. 02 2011,23:13)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 02 2011,20:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 02 2011,16:53)
The question is, why would a designer fuck with 20 populations of the same fish in different ways to remove ability for sight. He sure is moving in mysterious ways!

perhaps the designer is bored with the internet and making galaxies and shit so he starts fucking punishing fish with blindness and giving fracteria blagellums and shit.  and joe a penchant for mens boners

joe is a real fucking tard.  like, a REAL one.  for real.  and stuff.

Hey did anyone look to see if the fish had hairy palms?  I mean, maybe they just liked to beat the old fish-meat too much, and, you know, went blind.  Maybe they first started to need glasses, and had trouble typing due to unduly hairy hands, :D

Well...emm..errr...they do have more 'hair' (superficial neuromasts) on their cheeks.......

Date: 2011/03/05 13:46:01, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Stanton @ Mar. 04 2011,18:51)
Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Mar. 04 2011,17:55)
Quote (Stanton @ Mar. 04 2011,17:48)
Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Mar. 04 2011,17:09)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 03 2011,18:34)
Evolutionary increases in information

Just, you know, so IBIG can pretend not to have seen it in two places instead of one.

Wesley...if you wouldn't mind could you explain what is the most likely result with tetraploidy in humans?

Better yet, IBelieve, why can't you explain how the fact that humans and other animals can not survive polyploidy well, if at all, while plants can is supposed to demonstrate how your FAITH (sic) magically trumps all of science?

The post was about increase in information, and the only example of information increase was tetraploidy in orchids. So, the logical question is what would happen if tetraploidy occurred in humans?

Actually, there have been thousands of documented examples of both naturally occurring and artificially induced polyploid mutations in plants, IBelieve.

Furthermore, you have deliberately ignored the fact that I and others have already stated that humans and animals fail to develop if tetraploid.

And you continue to evade my question of the logic behind your latest gotcha game.

Why is humans not being able to survive tetraploid mutation supposed to demonstrate your FAITH (sic) magically trumping all of science, while also magically proving that GODDIDIT?

Do not be stupidly arrogant enough to presume that we are too stupid to catch on to your inane games, IBelieve.

Available data suggests that several lines of fish developed from polyploid ancestors, e.g., carp, salmon, sturgeon.  Given the very large genomes found in Acipenseridae (4N-16N) these data suggest that the sturgeons evolved from a tetraploid ancestor and currently contain chromosome numbers ranging from 99-500.

Production of tetraploid fish is quite common and produce viable animals.  However, if you want to look at how polyploid and tetraploidy affects human development and viability looking at genetic analysis of miscarriages provides the data to answer the question....lethality.

Reviews in Fish Biology and Fisheries 13: 237–246, 2003.

Occurrence of polyploidy in the fishes
Rosalind A. Leggatt & George K. Iwama

Date: 2011/03/20 18:25:48, Link
Author: Acipenser
uh oh....knowledge of the fate of Sewell's paper is about to be revealed to KF.....expect much bloviations about oil soaked somethings and more Lewontin quotes

PS: Thanks for the update on a broken link. Dr Sewell must have moved a page. I’ll have to go hunt it down. Hope I don’t have to go all the way to the Internet Archive!

Date: 2011/03/30 18:35:10, Link
Author: Acipenser
is there a option 'C'?  Maybe sticking needles in ones eyes.....

Date: 2011/04/08 10:52:32, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 08 2011,07:31)
Blowhard Gordo declares VICTORY!




5:43 am
And, predictably, Aci vanishes at this point . . .

That's actually the whole comment.

I posted this response to KF and can only wonder what number of words it might generate in response....nothing of substance is expected but predictably there will be much spewage to follow...

My response:
karfo: First, I think you will see that I am not using “80? year old references. But, events with close relatives that were 30+ years ago, are in fact relevant to the issue.

The only fact presented is that you ARE using 80+ yr old references.  You've made nothing but unfounded assertions with no corresponding facts supporting any of your allegations.

karfo:And, no I am not going to give more details [especially on the web] on the health problems faced by a close relative; I have no need to prove my point to you by violating someone’s privacy. Let’s just say, we had no reason to doubt at the time, and dietary adjustments did in fact make a positive difference.

With no details (without mentioning any names, addresses ect0 I can only assume that there is now doubt about the veracity of the diagnosis.

That there are chemical compounds that demostrate estrogenic, androgenic, anti-estrogenic, or anti-androgenic effects is not in question.  Your erronious assertions of the use of growth hormones in poultry production is, however, the point in question.  The International Poultry Council (of which Jamaica is a member) mission it to specifically address the ignorance which continues to be propogated by people like you concerning poultry production.  That you choose to put forward these statements steeped in ignorance rather than actually doing some research is something that all onlookers can easily observe.

Kafo:I do and did acknowledge a misreading above, on GM salmon. Turns out the phrasing was that the “injections” were of genetic nature. As I have corrected with references.

Of course you had to ackowledge your ignorance because I forced you to do some actual research on the issue in order to back up your claims.  You obviously found out how wrong those statements you made were.  

I see you also brought up the use of the explanitory filter.  How about giving us a single worked example of how this metric is used in ID research or is it a concept like CSI that has no rigor and is thus yet another useless metric of ID non-research?

Date: 2011/04/08 16:29:29, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 08 2011,15:26)
Hyper septic-ism:




12:01 pm

The above shows the problem. How does Aci know that I have posted anything in this thread,and it is not the Internet throwing up noise fits?

ANS: he is implicitly applying a filter on functional specificity and complexity, so he infers that it is not plausible that posts are noise rather than intelligent action.

(The various metrics simply work to quantify this. And, A is apparently unaware of the work of Durston et al who have quantified FSC metrics for 35 protein families, or the Evo Informatics Lab, who are working out the issue of the impact of active information on evolutionary searches. He is also not aware that something so basic as the file sizes we see for ever so many documents are measures of functionally specific information. Most importantly, he is again trying to duck the challenge to show how on undirected chance plus blind necessity, we have empirical evidence of the creation of such FSCI. Without positive evidence of that the materialistic scenarios for origin of life and of body plans are so much empty speculation. )


PS: Aci, you have indeed reappeared, but only to show how your dodging the important things to focus on trivia, is inadvertently revealing. Having already adequately spoken to such secondary matters [for the astute reader aware of problems with regulation in 3rd world environments, e.g. think of recent scandals on Chinese products . . . ], I need not prolong exchanges on what was from the outset a side issue raised for distractive effect.

I posted this in response to KF's non-reply:

Gordon, I'll take all the above verbage as an admission that you, nor can anyone else provide an example of the explainatory filter being used on any biological system.  Which, of course, just so happens to be the case with the ID metric CSI.

FYI:  the only matter you not-so-adequately addressed is your admission of ignorance on poultry production and genetic manipulations used in the aquaculture industry around the world.  

Other than that you appear to be confused that human fabrications, i.e., internet blogs, somehow represent self-replicating biological entities.

Date: 2011/04/14 23:19:05, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Richardthughes @ April 14 2011,23:04)
Wow, then Gordon Mullings write a post:

*spoiler alert* - he doesn't calculate CSI, but points at other folks using information type stuff.

Straw man, Gordo.

Graham inquires:


8:52 pm
So, can you now answer Mathgrrls questions ?

Date: 2011/05/12 19:39:48, Link
Author: Acipenser
OgreMV, congrats to your wife for her successful thesis defense!

Date: 2011/06/16 10:57:57, Link
Author: Acipenser
Sevin (carbaryl) is a pesticide with low toxicity in cats and it knocks the fleas down quickly on the animals.  Don't use a pyrethroid insecticide (powder, dip, or bath) since cats are quite sensitive to that family of pesticides.  If a product is labled for cats and contains a pyrethroid chances are the concentration is too low to be of much use in killing the fleas....safer for the cats but ineffective.

If carpets and such are infested some other major assaults may be required such as:  Sevin dusted on the carpets or diatomacious earth for a much less toxic alternative.......but it is not very good for healthy lung tissue...avoid breathing dust.

Once the initial knockdown has been accomplished you can start with the Advantage for long-term control.

Another alternative for carpets (or lawns) would be spraying with a imidacloprid containing pesticide (active ingredient in Advantage).  I'd look in the garden section for such a product but be careful that it is not formulated with one of the synthetic pyrethroids (e.g., Tau-Fluvalinate) for a much cheaper alternative than one labeled for pets.

Overall Sevin will give you a chance for rapid control of am exploding population of fleas.

Date: 2011/06/19 21:57:10, Link
Author: Acipenser
UD'ers they make my head they ever remember or consider what they write from moment to moment or consider the implications of their comments...

Mung @ 10: On the ID side we perhaps ought to be creating a library of artifacts of known provenance with CSI calculations.

Mung @ 11:  In my experience, when someone rejects ID as “not science” it is based upon some straw-man caricature of ID. They have no rational reason for doing so.

yup...can't think of a single rational reason why someone might consider ID as "not science"....oh, wait...maybe the inability of anyone to make that CSI calculation that their entire premise rests upon.

Too funny.

Date: 2011/06/19 23:20:38, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Henry J @ June 19 2011,22:56)
yup...can't think of a single rational reason why someone might consider ID as "not science"....oh, wait...maybe the inability of anyone to make that CSI calculation that their entire premise rests upon.

You mean aside from the minor detail that it doesn't say anything?


Well, yeah, there's that too.

Date: 2011/06/23 20:50:29, Link
Author: Acipenser
I'm in for a $100.....

Date: 2011/07/12 09:24:21, Link
Author: Acipenser
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ July 12 2011,05:40)
Quote (socle @ July 12 2011,02:32)
To be fair to StephenB, he did actually post something slightly more correct on this die roll experiment on 25/6/2011:
... the probability of seven is greater than any other individual number ...

I don't know if it was by accident or what, but he hasn't done too well since then.

All he need to have said is something like, "You're right. I got that wrong. What was I thinking? But my larger point stands."

Which fair readers easily perceive to be the case. Fair readers also correctly identified his incorrect statement as mistaken.

That sort of ordinary humility often evades StephenB, because incompatible with authoritarian declarations delivered ex cathedra.

The point of the exercise was to see if StephenB had a ounce of humility which would permit him to openly and quickly admit his error.  

Of course he doesn't have that characteristic in his persona and was unable to bring himself to openly admit a mistake most everyone else easily detected.

As RB states it would have been soooo easy to make the admisssion and move on....but nope not gonna happen!

Date: 2011/09/23 09:17:21, Link
Author: Acipenser
Yesterday everytime I tried to read that thread it would load for a few seconds then kick over to the 'The Internets can't show you that page' screen....don't know if it's my machine or their software.

Date: 2011/10/13 15:28:46, Link
Author: Acipenser
Is anyone else having problems with loading pages from UD?

As threads get larger I get the 'Internet won't let you look at that' error message.  Initial threads, or those with few replies load fine.  If no one else is experiencing problems then it might be related to my blistering 26.4 kbps dialup connection.